Dr. Chris Boettcher and Joel Webbin link male obesity to poverty, arguing adipose tissue suppresses testosterone while elites use sugar and SSRIs to sedate men. They recommend high-protein diets over Ozempic and suggest unifying American Protestantism via the Nicene Creed against external threats. The discussion covers energy drinks, fasting traditions, and Supreme Court tariff rulings, concluding that investors should secure futures by emigrating amidst constitutional concerns over congressional power. [Automatically generated summary]
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The Verdict Is In00:05:20
All right, we've got a vitally important episode for you today.
The verdict has come back in.
Here are the results.
You are fat, you are feminine, and therefore you are poor.
Here's some studies.
We're going to be breaking it down over the course of the episode, but I'm going to whet your appetite, give you a little bit of this right up front.
Is muscle strengthening exercise associated with better academic performance of literacy, mathematics, and language?
Results from a cross sectional study.
Here's some of the highlighted results.
There was a generally progressive Increase in the likelihood of better AP of Chinese, mathematics, and English with increase in days of MSE.
Here's another study in regards to testosterone, testosterone risk, and socioeconomic position in British men exploring casual directionality.
Here's some of the verdicts increase in log transform monthly earnings, probability of being in work, that is, being gainfully employed.
Here's another study.
Weight and wages, fat versus lean paychecks.
We show that being overweight and obese penalizes the probability of employment across all race and gender subgroups, except for black women and men.
And we know why that might be an exception.
I think DEI has something to do with that.
Here's the point the verdict is in.
We're going to be breaking all this down.
We have a special guest who's going to be joining us in this episode today, Dr. Chris, taking his expertise on exercise, fitness, Men's health and how this correlates directly.
It directly correlates to ambition, to energy, to focus, and all that translates directly to earning potential.
Your physical health, your vitality absolutely has a direct effect on your ability to be an ambitious young man who is achieving certain metrics, increasing your earning power, protecting and providing for your family.
If the Christian knew right, Is going to win.
If we are going to be successful, if we're going to make a difference for our families and for the nation, then we must be high caliber men.
And there is no scenario in which you can be a couch potato with low T and high BMI and somehow still be successful on the front lines of taking back our country for Christ.
That's the focus today.
We're going to be giving you medical facts, how it translates to ambition and earning potential in today's episode.
Tune in now.
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Radical Christian nationalist pastor, Joel Webbin.
Joel Webbin.
Joel Webbin.
I want to talk about Joel Webbin.
That's it.
And we are joined today by a special guest, Dr. Chris.
And I'm not even going to attempt to pronounce this last name.
Chris, thanks for coming on the show.
Can you tell us how to say your last name?
Yeah, absolutely.
Body Fat And Earnings00:08:34
It's great to be here.
Your last name is pronounced Betcher.
Betcher.
Great.
Okay, tell our listeners a little bit about your expertise, how you got into health, the things that you've done, and make a little bit of an argument for your credibility.
Why should we listen to what you have to say today?
Yeah.
So I, I, Got my doctor of physical therapy, went through the whole kind of traditional healthcare process and indoctrination, for lack of a better word, and spent 10 years there and just recognized in the middle of COVID, the system was failing way too many people.
I had done a number of things on the collegiate athletic side of things, went on to compete and did 10 different Ironmans over the course of about a seven or eight year plan, and just realized that like I could do a lot more for people outside of the system than I could in.
And so, my brother and I, who he's also a A licensed physical therapist as well.
We were kind of beating our heads against the wall back in 2020, 2021, and we just decided it's time to move on.
And so we established Brother to Brother, and we've been helping people provide structure, provide accountability ever since then to really make tangible long term impacts on their habits and their health as opposed to injections and long term medications.
Awesome.
Well, thanks for coming on the show.
I think that's vital, it's important.
We're going to go ahead and show a few different studies here, and then we want to get your take.
On these studies, and then also have you just add to it, whatever you know, you have expertise that we don't.
And so, I'm going to have Wes go over a few studies.
And, Wes, you know, you say it from time to time, but it's, you know, like we always have new guys who are tuning in who may not know it, but give a little bit of your background.
So, I went to Columbia University for my undergraduate in biology, went to Texas for my master's in public health, University of Texas.
And so, I'm not the doctor that Chris is, but I spent a lot of time looking at these studies and also being able to parse out.
So, a study will say something, for instance, but if you kind of peer a little bit closer, you can say, Well, hang on.
I think actually this is conflating.
This is masking what's really going on.
And a great example of this in this first study that I want to get into is the difference between BMI and body fat.
And so you look at some studies and they'll say, well, we looked at it and the increase in BMI, which stands for body mass increase, wasn't associated with any difference whatsoever.
Or maybe it wasn't necessarily associated with a difference, for example, for white males or for black females.
Well, BMI versus body fat percentage is a huge distinction that matters a lot.
Body mass index is simply an index of the ratio of your height.
To your weight.
Now, as we all know, someone can be 200 pounds and someone else be 200 pounds, but there'd be a massive difference between the two.
All we're essentially saying is we know at this height and at this weight, a rough estimation, a rough index, rough ratio of them will be 25, 26, 27.
But that tells us nothing about muscle.
It tells us nothing about body fat percentage.
It tells us nothing about health.
Body fat percentage is a much better metric to go off of.
For men, especially.
Women need a little bit higher, actually, and that relates to fertility, that relates to Just their physiology, they're designed to have a little bit more.
Men, if your body fat is above 20%, you are not at optimal health.
This body fat, adipose tissue, very much so is pro estrogenic.
So your testosterone, it is not in an optimal state when your body fat is higher.
Body fat also increases your energy, body fat increases the difficulty and everything that there is with moving.
And so one of the key distinctions with some of these studies that we've looked at here's a great one.
We held it up initially.
Weight and wages, fat versus lean paychecks.
And there was some association, this one used BMI, not body fat percentage.
There was some association.
It did show, hey, as your BMI, just this general ratio height to weight, goes up, you generally earn less.
Now, this didn't hold true for black men and black women, and held more true for professions with interpersonal relations.
So, this is ones where you're interacting with someone.
As you can imagine with coding, probably, if you had a desk job, it's actually, we want coders that have a higher BMI.
But this is another study that shows something very similar and shows it actually stronger.
So, this is a 2010 study from Roy Wada, Body Composition and Wages.
And I won't go through the whole methodology and everything like that.
But listen to these results.
Our results suggest that a rise in body fat is associated with decreases in the wages of both white males and white females, while a rise in the FFM.
FFM stands for fat free muscle.
So, this is your muscle mass, this is your lean muscle, while a rise in fat free muscle is associated with an increase in the wages of both groups.
These findings are in contrast to previous studies that found strong evidence of a negative effect for white females, but not always for white males.
And so, the lower your body fat is, The more you earn, generally speaking.
We're talking in averages here.
The more muscle mass you have, generally, the more you earn.
We saw this with academic performance in another study that we highlighted in the intro.
Muscle strengthening exercises, the more days you do that, is associated with a proportional increase in performance on academic subjects, performance on languages, performance on mathematics.
And the idea is that it's all tied together testosterone, body fat, health, sleep, energy.
They're all interconnected.
And generally, a man, especially, women's health is a whole other topic.
Women are different.
Women have a monthly cycle, men have much more closer to a daily cycle.
You look at testosterone, it rises and falls on a more daily basis.
Women's hormones, they fluctuate over and across an entire month.
It's an entirely different calculus.
But for men, they're all connected.
Here's another study.
This was a Harvard lab study.
Financial risk taking behavior is associated with higher testosterone.
The researchers found that men whose testosterone levels were more than one standard deviation above the mean put 12% more than the average man into risky investments.
So you look at men who take risks financially.
They invest in things.
It's like, I don't know if a return's guaranteed.
You could put that in the SP and get 7% per year.
Well, men who have testosterone say, I want to beat that.
I want to do better.
Men with lower body fat, men with more muscle, they on average earn more.
They're all connected.
And so men who strive, men who achieve, men who work hard.
Oh, also look.
They're not 100 pounds overweight.
What a surprise.
All right, Dr. Chris, I want to give you ample time to respond to that.
Feel free to push back if you disagree or flesh it out and give us even more.
So, what do you think?
Yeah, I mean, I like what you said early on, Wes, about the distinction between BMI and body fat percentage.
I like to think of BMI as when you're looking at a collective population, that is how it's being kind of judged upon.
It's easy for them to kind of put people in categories based on, oh, you're 25%, 30%, 40% on the BMI scale.
Versus on the body fat side of things, it really gives you concrete information on an individual level.
And so, if you do have more muscle mass, you're going to be able to, you know, you might stand out on a higher BMI, but then you go and have something like a DEXA scan that shows, yeah, you're at 16, 17% body fat, and you actually have significantly more muscle mass than the average person who falls in that same BMI as you.
So, it really does give you that opportunity to figure out.
Where you are, as opposed to just like being thrown into a category of individuals, that it's you're just comparing apples to oranges for from the average population in most cases.
But I totally agree with the testosterone side of things.
And you start looking at the mention the risk taking, even like the creation of businesses and things like that.
There's as we become more and more suppressed on the testosterone side of things, and our estrogen levels continue to increase.
You're just seeing less people jump into starting their new business.
And I think there's a whole host of probable entrepreneurs that have never taken that jump because their diet, their activity level, they're not getting sunshine.
And as a result, they just continue to kind of go through the motions of life, suppressing their income and their overall opportunity to impact the world.
It's risky and scary to start a business.
Men look at that and they're like, well, what if I don't make as much as I currently make in this wage job?
What if I run into this challenge?
What if nobody else believes in me?
Corporate Interest In Food00:15:58
And that's exactly right.
And they say, eh, I'm not going to start it.
Right.
Yeah.
It's interesting.
I was just going to add something that popped in my head as we think about sort of performance in the economy, it's like the poorest people in the world are men and the richest people in the world are men.
And this actually would explain it if you think about testosterone as a sort of risk inducing behavior or risk inducing, if you will.
As men take more risks, there's also a higher likelihood they fail.
And so the higher testosterone men are making the big bets and that might.
Make them a billionaire, that also might make them, you know, living in their, having them living in their mom's basement.
So it goes either way.
Yep.
So true.
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All right, Chris, I wanted to ask you it feels like, you know, it'd be nice to have the benign explanation for a lot of these things and just say, oh, well, you know, we just lost our.
Our vigilance, you know, we just kind of let down our guard.
But I've learned enough to where I've realized, sadly, many of the transitions for what's happening in America in regards to health and a host of other things for that matter are actually engineered.
They're actually designed.
It's not just that, oh, you know, all of a sudden Americans stopped caring about health.
It's like, oh, no, this very specific thing took place at this time and it caused people to change the way they thought about X, Y, and Z, you know, and like propaganda is real.
And so I wanted to just.
Get your take on because I feel like I don't even know your thoughts on this, so you might disagree, but I feel like between the legalization of marijuana, I feel like the food pyramid was like one of the biggest psyops of all time that literally told you to eat the exact opposite of what we were supposed to be eating.
Introduction of sugar in everything, cereal, those kinds of things, like heavy grains and low protein.
It really does feel as though, I mean, it's hard for me to believe that someone is just.
A whole group of elites are just totally bumbling fools because it's been so detrimental to Americans' health and especially men that I'm like, no, you would have to hate.
You'd have to hate the citizens of these United States.
The chances are just too sudden.
You could not accidentally fall into a plan more devastating for the American people than what has happened over the past few decades, half a century.
So this seems to me to be intentional and malicious in many ways.
And we don't have to get into every single person who's behind it.
But I wanted to get your take on the food pyramid.
I wanted to get your take on what are some of the biggest things that currently men in America are being lied to about in regards to health?
I'm actually glad you're kind of going this direction because I think, as comfortable as we are in society, and there's a lot of things that are a struggle for people in day to day life, but the reality is it's still pretty comfortable for way too many of us that.
We don't recognize the battle that we're in.
And again, you could easily pass this off as just companies wanting to make a little bit more money, wanting to kind of take advantage of that aspect of it.
But I come to think it's a lot more nefarious than that.
And to me, it just comes down to kind of good and evil, and that there are evil entities that are working against us as an individual.
And to me, it comes down to just recognizing too that, like, you know, The spirit of God rests in each of us.
And so, if you wanted to break people from that, the easiest way to do that is to make them feel sick and disconnect their soul from their body and just get them to go through the motions of life day after day, operating at 50 to 60% of their potential and never be able to recognize what else God's calling them to do.
So, that's kind of how I see it, big picture.
Now, like you said, I don't necessarily have all the answers in terms of.
What the elites are up to and the conspiratorial side of it.
I just know that those forces are working against us day in and day out, and that ultimately we need to take control of our own health because we can't really place that responsibility into systems to take care of it.
And again, I saw that time and time again of people going into the hospital system, waiting for them to wave their magic wand, and they came out on more meds, more dependent than ever before.
And you can just see how people become a shell themselves in the last 20, 30, 40 years of their life.
They're existing.
They're not living anymore at that point.
Right.
I agree.
With the food pyramid specifically, because I really do feel like that was.
I just refuse to believe that.
I mean, scientists are stupid.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm perfectly content to say that publicly as often as possible.
The experts, I mean, they really are stupid, but I don't want the stupidity of our current elites and experts to somehow eclipse their evil.
I really want to make sure that our listeners know that hey, stupid, but not stupid only.
Also, incredibly sinister and evil.
And when I think of the fear pyramid and some of the research that I've done on it and looking, that's just, it was just, it was so opposite of what's actually true.
I just can't, I can't just pin it all on negligence or stupidity.
What do you think?
What do you like?
I'll just say I think that men with vitality, with high testosterone, with high ambition and energy are much less docile and much more difficult to control.
And so I think things like legalized marijuana, high sugar diets, more carbs, less meat, lower testosterone with women, SSRIs.
I think Alex Jones nailed it.
You know, the water, the fluoride is turning the frogs gay.
I think it's turning a lot of the people gay.
And I think all these things combined is a perfect recipe for a populace in what has been traditionally a superpower on the global stage, the most powerful nation in the world with freedom loving people.
Right?
Like a stock of people that are known for being cowboys and taming the wild, wild west and all these things.
It's like, how can you take that country with that people and somehow strip it of all its ambition?
Like, that's a really hard thing to do.
That's a monumental task.
And I don't think that propaganda messaging was sufficient on its own.
I think that people realize no, it also has to be.
Biochemical.
Like, if we're going to take the American people, as elite as they are, as ambitious as they are, and somehow sedate them, is the word I'm looking for.
That's going to require not just the messaging that goes into their minds, but what goes into their mouths.
You are what you eat.
And yeah, so the food pyramid, if we could just stay on that for a while, what would you disagree with?
And what would you prescribe instead in terms of diet?
What should men be eating?
Yeah, so I would say I disagree with virtually all of it.
Now, I will say they've recently, probably a month and a half ago, come out with a new version of it that is on the right track.
And I think we can thank Secretary Kennedy for making some adjustments and being more outspoken about what it needed to happen.
When I look at even on an individual level with clients that come to us, but also the population, you think about the average person consumes like 10 grams of protein per breakfast, which is just Laughable.
You know, when you start, you know, and most people think like, oh, I have two eggs every morning.
It's like, that's 12 grams of protein, guys.
Like, that's just not going to get the job done.
But they don't know how to get that number up into an area where you're supporting muscle recovery, you're supporting, you know, improved muscle, even testosterone levels and things like that.
Like, we can't build hormones without adequate protein intake on a day to day basis because our body doesn't store it very well.
We're very, very good at storing fats and carbs.
We're not very good at storing protein.
So, if the consumption isn't there on a regular basis, you can see where hormones get out of balance, muscle loss falls off a cliff, and we become kind of that skinny fat version of ourselves.
We may not be 300 pounds, but even at 220, most people are very low muscle mass, very low definition, and carrying 50 extra pounds than what they actually need.
So, and I'm not going to sit here and say that carbs are evil or things like that.
I think what we've created in our society is this.
Hyper processed version of what we think carbs are, when really it's these fat carb combinations of mashed potatoes and mac and cheese and pizzas and things that are.
They don't those.
Those foods don't exist in nature like other than like breast milk.
There is almost no combination of fats and carbs that like exist together in in kind of a whole food form.
And you know what does breast milk do?
It causes babies to grow rapidly.
Well, when we eat them as adults, it causes us to grow very rapidly as well.
So, You know, I think it's more of like building the foundations around protein.
And, you know, one of my rules is we should be getting to a minimum of 30 grams of protein per meal, like minimum.
And it's not that hard to do once you know how to leverage foods with like a quality protein to calorie ratio and things like that, so that we're not having, you know, 10 grams of protein and then, you know, four different sources of carb fat combinations where it's like, yeah, we've consumed a thousand calories and we've only got 10 or 15 grams of protein on this plate.
That's just a losing strategy day after day.
Well said.
Yeah, and I would just say, Joel, going back to your comment about sedation and what the consequences of the food pyramid that was introduced in the 1990s have been, particularly within the male population here in America.
I think it's even if you were to say it was an accidental cause that sedation has happened, I think it's undeniable that that's true.
That you look at men today and they look in the mirror and they're uninspired by how they look, they feel bad, there's probably a positive feedback loop in feeling bad, lower testosterone.
I'm actually not now not incentivized to go to the gym, not incentivized to eat healthy.
It's kind of similar to like the architecture scheme, the modernism that's been introduced.
It's just soul crushing.
It's just, and it's actually funny.
I was thinking about maybe potentially one of the other causes as you introduce the food pyramid is corporate interest.
I mean, there's no secret that you have doctors at the FDA who have come over from companies as they were top researchers at a company like Hostess or Procter Gamble.
Now they're coming in and saying, hey, actually, what that company's doing, it's a revolving door.
What they're doing is actually something that should be promoted.
I actually was looking in preparation of the show, Dr. Chris, I'm curious if you knew this, but.
If I'm a company like Wonder Bread, if anyone remembers Wonder Bread, it was massive in the 2010s and the 90s.
That company was actually owned by another company called Hostess.
I think they sell glazed, just the sloppiest glazed donuts.
And they also sell Wonder Bread.
It's practically cake.
Now, if I'm them and I'm introducing a product that's just jam packed of unhealthy fats and carbohydrates, what do I tell the FDA?
What do I say?
Hey, this is the healthiest thing you can eat.
It's bread, bread in the morning, bread in the afternoon, bread at dinner.
And so it really, I'm just asking questions, but it really doesn't surprise you when you think about these things is, oh, yeah, there's clear corporate interest, people wanting to pad their pockets, and they're willing to sacrifice the health of the American people to do that.
Yeah, I think that's true.
And it's horseshoe theory is real in many regards.
But here's one example.
I just can't help but recognize, and I know all of our listeners, they see this.
You know this instinctively.
You know this.
It's like men and women have gotten to the point where they've kind of come back around.
And there is a growing sizable population of men and women that virtually, like physically, on the face of it, you just look at them, they look the same.
Like the short haired, like your Ellen DeGeneres, and your I don't know, I can't think of a guy offhand, but just you know, a limp wristed, very weak, frail man.
They have the same haircut, they have the same grip strength.
They have a weak jawline because they didn't grow up processing meats that are difficult to chew.
They grew up on a diet of soft foods, which meant their palate never expanded, and so they have all these teeth crowded in a recessed chin behind them instead of a strong.
Masculine jaw.
They have this sunken, soft, rounded, feminine face.
Yeah.
And so it's affecting even the way that Americans look.
Like there's less distinctives.
Obviously, we know a lot of this is intentional in terms of the LGBT and transgenderism and all those kinds of things.
But I'm talking aside from just behavior patterns and the way that people dress, I'm seeing like the physique in the physical, biological category alone.
Men and women are starting to look the same.
Well, how about this statistic from 1960 to 2010?
In 1960, the average weight of the American woman was 140 pounds.
The average weight of the American man was about 166.
Today, those numbers have not held.
That's right.
I regret to inform you.
140 women, 1960, today weigh an average, the same average that men used to weigh in 1960, of about 167 pounds.
And men have gone from an average of 167 to an average of 195.
Wow.
Why Men Are Getting Fatter00:14:46
Chris, to your point, I'm thinking that's probably not mostly muscle there, huh?
Isn't that insane?
30 pounds average?
Well, it's one of those things, too, that I think the average person believes that, oh, I'm 230 pounds.
I really only need to get to 200 to be healthy again.
And then they get down to 200 and they're like, well, why can't I see my six pack yet?
And it's like, because you don't belong at 200, man.
You belong at 175.
And they kind of look at you like, oh, I'd be too skinny at that.
It's like, well, for you to get into like a 16, 17% body fat range, like, That's where you belong, and that's where we were for a long, long time.
But now, you know, we've continued to kind of move the needle based on our diets and, you know, even just culturally what's acceptable and what's not acceptable.
But yeah, it's absolutely wild to, and again, you're not adding that weight in muscle mass.
You know, the nature of our jobs now is like we're sitting at desks, we're not moving, we're not, you know, lumberjacks and things like that who are stimulating muscle mass.
While we're doing our day to day activities.
So there's just a complete disconnect of what healthy actually looks like today.
I'm curious what you think about this heuristic.
I saw this somewhere with respect to what your target weight should be as an adult man.
And it was something like you should weigh what you weighed, say, your senior year of high school, age 17, age 18, at the point where, and obviously now that is even becoming skewed because people are obese in high school.
But you can imagine if you're a young man, you were relatively active, you were doing sports in school or whatever the case is, working with your dad on a farm.
You have a high metabolism.
You're probably relatively fit.
What do you think about a heuristic like that?
How should we think about the weight, the proper weight that we should be for the layman, the average man?
Yeah, I mean, the statistics are actually kind of staggering that for the average person, if you're under six foot tall, you probably shouldn't weigh over 180 pounds.
And that's just from a long term health perspective.
Unless you are at an elite level of muscle mass, you have no business being over 200 pounds unless you're six foot tall.
Four, six, five, six, six.
But really, anybody under six foot, that 180 or below range is really where you're at your healthiest.
And anything above that, like you said, if you're, people call themselves, I'm pretty thick boned or I've got a lot of muscle mass.
And it's like, but have you been working that muscle mass for the last 20 years?
If not, most of that is probably no longer muscle anymore.
But you still have that.
I played linebacker in high school at 195 pounds.
You're probably even at 195 today.
You're probably not at your healthiest.
You probably even need to be lighter than that.
So, yeah, I totally agree that I think that at today's, you know, today's 45, 50 year old male, I think that's probably an accurate measure.
We'll probably have to reevaluate that in the decades to come because, yeah, certainly muscle mass for the average 18 year old is something that is pretty hard to come by, unfortunately.
So, just get as practical as possible.
Can you just give us a list of like what are like the 10 best foods for men?
Right, we women it's important that they eat healthy as well, but we've got like over 90% of our audience is men.
So, what are the 10 best foods that men should be eating on a regular basis?
Can you help us, Chris?
Yeah, so from if you're looking to lean down, um, again, leveraging that protein to calorie ratio is huge.
So, you want to get as much protein as you can while you're keeping calories low.
So, seafoods are awesome, shrimp, fish, tuna, things like that.
Ground beef is awesome too, because you know, I like 85, 15 or better.
Because you can save like 200 calories just going from like 80 20 up to like 87 13.
And obviously, it gets leaner and leaner and more and more protein as you continue to build from there.
And it's just a very versatile food.
I mean, you get to eat burgers, you get to eat, you know, taco bowls, things like that.
So you can really get some really savory meals with a lot of flexibility.
Steak is great.
I'm not a huge fan of, you know, things like ribeyes, the carnivores aren't going to like that.
But, you know, leaner cuts, sirloins, and flank steaks and skirt steaks, where you get maximizing protein.
I love Greek yogurt.
I love cottage cheese.
If you can handle dairy, they're just well over 40% protein, both of them.
So, not only can you use them for like yogurt bowls, but they're just like things you could add to meals.
You have a small pasta dish and you throw it on with some ground beef, load some cottage cheese on there just to be able to get some additional protein, where it's like, yeah, I'm not going to go back for that second bowl of pasta because I've got a lot more satiety by being able to add in that cottage cheese to go along with it.
And I think any quality protein source, I'll throw one more out there.
Pork chops are awesome.
Pork is especially not talking necessarily about bacon, but like pork tenderloin, or if you go to Costco and pick up their big pork loin, and you can feed a, you could probably create 15 meals off of a $20 pork loin.
And it's like super lean.
So, really easy way to maximize protein.
So, you take any of those and then be able to pair that with vegetables, a green of some kind.
Like, just throw it on the plate, get some volume in there.
Um, so you're not going to two and three different carb sources along the way.
So, those would be kind of my starters.
Um, and then I guess the last thing I'll throw in there is I think whey protein is highly underrated as well.
It's highly absorbed, so you absorb it very, very well.
So, for instance, um, you know, versus like the plant based stuff, which we can get into if you guys want to a little bit, but like your body actually can use a much higher percentage of that whey protein than a standard like plant protein, and you can add that into like.
A simple shake or a smoothie, or you throw it on top of a yogurt bowl to be able to get 10, 15, 20 extra grams in.
And it's like 90% protein.
So it's basically pure protein that you're adding in, keeping carbs under control.
Awesome.
Yeah.
Thank you for sharing.
So, we actually, on that note, we picked up a brand new sponsor just recently.
It's Paleo Valley.
I'm curious, Chris, have you ever heard of Paleo Valley?
I have.
I haven't tried the beefsteaks yet, but I've got some, and I could send you some if you're interested.
But what I like about it, so they sent us some samples, and we've been eating them pretty much nonstop, probably more than Chris would approve of over the last week.
But it's like, yeah, Joel, it's good for you.
But at that quantity, I don't know if it worked.
You're undoing all the effects.
But they're delicious.
What I like about it is it is good quality, but it's also a ton of different flavors.
So they have summer sausage, they have garlic summer sausage, they have their original flavor, their jalapeno flavor, their teriyaki flavor.
So I'm holding a bunch of the beefsteaks.
But then this bad boy, my wife, they sent this as a sample.
And my wife was like, I know you work with other men and they have wives as well.
And we want to care about them, but you also need to not care about them and bring this home to me.
So this is their bone broth protein.
And from what I've read about it and a little bit of the research, and I want to hear what you have to say about Chris in just a moment.
But it seems like this is incredibly healthy and can be added to a lot of different recipes.
But for any of our listeners who do want to get a deep discount, right now, Paleo Valley is offering with our promo code, which is NXR26, right?
2026, but it's not the 20 part.
NXR26, you can get 15%.
So not just 5% or 10%, but 15% off anything in their website.
But you can also, if you want to go and see some of the items that we kind of selected, because their website is massive and there's a ton of different things, and a lot of it appeals to women and may not appeal to the men.
But if you want to look at some of the more masculine items with Paleo Valley, then you can just go to paleovalley.com forward slash NXR, right?
Is that it?
Oh, yep.
And the 26th.
And the 26.
Yep.
So paleovalley.com forward slash NXR 26.
If you go there, it'll show you all our hand selected items, and they'll automatically, if you use that domain, they'll automatically be discounted 15%.
But if you just want to go to their main website, which is probably what I would do, paleovalley.com.
Then just make sure to use the promo code on your way out, which again is NXR26.
So, what do you think?
I just want to pick your brain real quick, Chris, on the bone broth protein, regardless of what company it's from, but just as a food source.
What do you think about bone broth?
Huge fan.
Yeah, I use it pretty much every day.
You can, you know, some people don't love the idea of just like having a couple bone broth, but I think it works really well as like an appetite suppressant, where, you know, in the middle of the afternoon, if you're just looking to graze on something, you know, you're going to get, A elite protein source in my favorite option is in the morning because bone broth on an empty stomach is amazing for your gut health.
And that's a big problem for a lot of people, too, is the gut and the brain.
We call it the second brain in the gut, basically.
So it's communicating with your brain, it's significantly involved in even like brain function.
And if you have a lot of brain fog and inflammation, even joint problems, a lot of it stems from the gut.
So if you can be putting something in your gut to help.
Basically, repair the inner lining of your gut.
That's going to help keep a lot of the garbage from getting into your bloodstream and circulating throughout your system.
So, doing it on an empty stomach is probably the best way to do it.
But then you could certainly use it throughout the day as something you sip on.
But if you don't like the taste, you don't like sipping on it, even adding it into things like when you're cooking your rice or soups, things like that, you can almost mask it and be able to continue to really take advantage of one of those foods that we just don't consume anymore.
We used to consume like head to tail.
Use the bones to be able to create soups.
And we've sort of discarded some of the most nutrient dense items that animals provide for us.
Right.
Okay.
So that's super helpful.
And I couldn't eat them because we needed the props for the show.
But now we've already talked about it.
So I'm having a beefsteak.
Paleo Valley NXR 26.
That's a promo.
But what if we scratched everything we've been talking about, Chris, and just forget the bone broth, forget the protein, forget exercise, all these things?
And just, we just do a bunch of Ozempic.
How do you feel about that?
Yeah, well, it's certainly what a large percentage of the population is doing right now.
That's for sure.
What do you think about Ozempia?
I'm curious.
I would say it's a tool for some that I can see the advantages of.
I don't like to paint with a wide brush because there are people that are truly addicted to food.
And it doesn't matter what they try to do from a habit standpoint, they're not going to be able to shake it without some form of help.
That said, I have a really hard problem with the way that it's marketed, the way it's being distributed.
You know, it was designed initially for people that had, you know, high levels of diabetes, out of control A1C levels, things like that, where you help improve insulin sensitivity and things like that short term.
But now it's being handed out like candy for anybody who wants to lose 20 pounds.
And the research is very clear if you don't consume enough protein and you don't lift weights, you're going to end up skinny fat or you're going to be on this drug for the rest of your life.
Like, those are your two options.
Nobody is doing any kind of lifestyle work with these clients when they're coming in to hand out the drug.
They're being given the drug.
They're being told, like, yeah, you should eat a lot of protein and you should try to do this.
But, like, there's no instruction on what that actually looks like.
And then come to find out that these clients are taking, you know, high doses of EOZEMPIC and the WGOV and things like that, where, like, they physically can't get in enough protein to maintain their muscle mass because they're so, like, their appetite is so suppressed.
So at that point, like, you're going to lose muscle.
And Then what?
You know, you're going to eventually come off of this and you're metabolically going to be more broken than you were before, which, again, the nefarious side of things, that's why I think these drugs were created in the first place, is they recognize, like, hey, we have a giant customer base sitting in America that wants a quick fix.
We can offer them a quick fix.
And now we have a Netflix subscription model that these people are going to be tied to for the rest of their life.
So I think, again, there's a time and a place for that.
But anybody who's considering jumping on this or is doing it right now, You should be looking for an off ramp to be able to make sure that this becomes a lifestyle and not something that you're going to be dependent on forever.
You mentioned it, but that loss of muscle mass is huge.
Having more muscle mass, I think of metabolic health.
So, your metabolism is this base rate of calories that you burn a day.
The bulk of your calorie burn, if you ever play pickleball or go walking, you're not actually burning thousands of calories a day on exercise.
You have a basal metabolic rate that's burning most of your calories.
And so, one of the things that helps increase that rate, meaning that food doesn't catch up to you as fast, you're burning off most of it, is by having a good metabolism.
And muscle requires more calories, as it turns out, than fat.
And so, when you go on something like Ozempic, especially if you're just trying to lose 20 pounds, like men, you can lose 20 pounds.
You do not need Ozempic to lose 20 pounds, to lose 30 pounds.
Literally, walk.
My goodness, like go for a walk at lunch.
But if you jump on something like that, like a GLP 1, you're not just losing the fat that's going along with it.
There are no trade offs.
There are no, I would say, trade off free compounds or anything like that in the real world.
There's always going to be a trade off.
So, you will lose weight and you will lose some fat.
You're also going to lose muscle.
You're going to lose the thing that helps you when you come off of it have a metabolism that burns through the calories that you're consuming at the end of the day.
But I do appreciate you not painting with a broad brush and saying, hey, sometimes the effects, and you can tell me whether you agree with this or not, the effects of having a high BMI, high body fat, there comes a point where they're so destructive that even the downsides of Ozempic, even the side effects that come with it, they could be worth it short term because, I mean, my goodness, like having high body fat, we're talking lifespan decrease.
We're talking inability, heart risk.
We're talking inability to get active because every time you go to start moving, you injure yourself because you're carrying along more weight.
And so it's not a broad brush.
This is always bad, always a terrible idea, no positive effect to it.
But you're saying be very, very aware that there are trade offs.
Religious Civil War Risks00:14:39
I want to hand it back to you one last time.
And then, Chris, tell us where people can find you.
Yeah.
So I'm very active over on Twitter at ChrisBetcher9.
We put out a ton of value over there.
And obviously, on the coaching side of things, we have resources available, full accountability, things along those lines.
Can you spell your name just for anyone listening?
Yeah.
So it's the last name is spelled Betcher, B O E. T T C H E R. Fantastic.
Betcher.
I would have never guessed.
In fact, I just couldn't even bring myself to guess.
I was so intimidated by that last name, the spelling of it, that I was like, I'm just going to ask them on air, how do you say it?
Betcher.
Betcher bottom dollar.
Betcher bottom dollar.
Okay.
Yeah, that's how I found you.
I found you over on X and you've got some good stuff.
So we encourage our listeners to go and check you out.
Any final word that you want to leave us with, Chris?
Yeah, no, I just encourage everybody to, you know, again, Use the vessel God's given you.
That's ultimately what it comes down to is put yourself in a position where, as you start losing weight, as you start making those lifestyle changes, it puts you in a position to be a better father, a better community leader, and just kind of pour out to those around you, which we so desperately need right now.
Amen.
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We've got some super chats over on YouTube, but let's go ahead and start with the Rumble one first.
We're trying to build up a little bit of momentum, some motion over on Rumble.
And you guys have been finding us.
What are we up to?
I mean, we just started first week of January this year.
It's been like, what, six, seven weeks?
But what are we up to?
We started from zero, started from the bottom.
Now we're here.
4,200 subscribers.
4,200 subscribers.
That's great.
Praise God.
Okay.
So this is from JNR Doyle86.
All right.
He wrote in, he said, Last week I asked about wanting to try and unify American Protestantism.
And then he has, Some follow ups here.
He said, Tim Gordon, Timothy Gordon is a great guy.
We've had him on the show.
He mentioned Joel supporting the idea of the Nicene Creed as such a possible unifying creed.
That's true.
I think, in terms of the political unity that's required for a national consensus and cohesiveness, it should be creedal rather than confessional.
If it's confessional, then I think everybody's going to be at each other's throats.
But creedal, Nicene Creed, Apostles' Creed, those kinds of things.
I think it would suffice.
And then J.N.R. Doyle, 86, he further wrote, he said, eventually I decided an agreed upon universal creed might be best that establishes a core of shared beliefs while leaving minor idiosyncrasies untouched for each church.
All right.
So it sounds like you eventually came to my position.
God bless.
And then last, he said, as a Protestant, I am allergic to most things Catholic, but not all.
I get that.
And there are some Catholic things where I'm like, and it's tough.
It's tough.
All right.
So then he furthermore said, So I asked to hear the case for this project as a possible solution to my desired intention.
Thank you.
Now, first and foremost, I'm just going to say if this becomes the new standard for super chats on Rumble, this guy, he really got some bang for buck on this one.
It's like one super chat, three follow up comments.
This is a multi week conversation, too, by the way.
We're doing a whole book on this.
We're doing a whole series in the super chats.
JNR Doyle, 86.
I just.
We appreciate you, but you've got to know that this can never happen again.
We're just out of control.
This can never happen again.
But for today, yeah, I think it's not the 1800s anymore.
I wish it was.
I really do.
In more ways than one.
Yeah, in so many more ways.
But the wasp that built America, we just have to be honest that he has seen better days.
He is.
All but disappeared, declining rapidly.
And Catholicism is much stronger in America than it used to be.
I'm not saying it's stronger than Protestantism, but at the rate of growth, it is catching up quickly.
Now, I do think that our Catholic friends should acknowledge that a big part of that is not necessarily conversion.
There are conversions to Catholicism, so I'm not taking that away from them.
But a massive part of it is opening the floodgates.
It was the Heart Cellar Act and opening the floodgates to third world countries and importing.
Brown Catholics into the country.
That is what happened.
We just, we need, you know, the Catholics.
There's so many things we're aligned on, but I do need them to acknowledge that reality.
So as a Protestant, I'm over here saying, yeah, the guys on my team are insufferable Zionists and open the door to a bunch of Jewish supremacy in the United States that has had us in a stranglehold.
So I've got to own that on the Protestant side, Zionism.
On the Catholic side, globalism.
But you got to be honest about that.
That has been.
Yeah, the increase of Catholicism in the United States has not merely been just winning hearts and minds and conversion.
It has been importing them by the millions from third world, non Western and non white countries.
And I think that it has been a detriment, a net negative for the country.
So, how do we align?
I think at this point, there are so many Catholics and so many Protestants that if we made it just, it's going to be the Westminster Confession of Faith at the national, federal level and no exceptions, then I mean, that's just a recipe for civil war, honestly.
Like, that's at this point, we do not have the critical mass for that.
So, I think it's going to have to be a broad.
Christian consensus, creedal, not confessional, and something like adopting one of the historic creeds.
But this is not, just for the record, this is not coming up with a new creed.
No, this is going back to something that's already tried and true, like the Apostles' Creed, Nicene Creed, and probably adopting this creed as a preamble, formally adopting it as a preamble to the Constitution.
I think that that's probably what needs to happen.
There's a lot of work before we get there, a lot of symposiums and conferences and panels where Catholics and Protestants are.
Sitting down and having these conversations.
And for all my Reformed brothers, I am of the Protestant Reformed tradition who are cringing at Catholics and Protestants sitting down.
Here's the deal, guys.
I know it's hard.
I know there are real differences and they matter and I don't want to minimize them.
But here's the deal.
All these Reformed guys that you look up to, they're all sitting down with Jews.
They're doing conferences with Jews.
They're at NatCon with Yoram Hazone.
They're co authoring books with Jews.
They're at TPUSA.
They're sharing stages with Nicki Minaj.
And you're going to say that I can't sit down with a Catholic and have a conversation on how to save America?
Look, you're sitting down with Jews who believe that Jesus is burning in hell.
Right?
1 John, you know, I understand the reformers.
I'm familiar with John Calvin.
I'm familiar with, but you just got to come to recognize.
1 John says, Who is it that is the Antichrist?
But he who denies that Jesus has come in the flesh.
Catholics don't do that.
Let's just be honest for a moment on the particulars.
Catholics don't deny that Jesus has come in the flesh.
Catholics don't deny the incarnation.
Catholics don't deny the virgin birth.
Catholics don't deny the bodily resurrection.
Catholics don't deny the ascension.
Who denies that?
Jews and all these Protestant reformers who aren't even dispensationalists, who should know better, who have adopted covenant theology and these kinds of things.
They're perfectly happy to do conference after conference after conference, podcast after podcast, book deal after book deal with Jews.
And meanwhile, these are the same guys who would rile up some of you to think that I've somehow compromised sitting down and being willing to have a conversation with a Catholic.
You need to know this is nefarious.
This is not just, oh, it just happened to play out this way.
No, no, no, no.
Some high up reformed guys were bought.
And you know it.
You've watched it, you've seen the interviews, maybe even just in the last couple of days.
They're bought, they're paid for, and they're trying to poison the well against guys like me.
But it's very clear that it's manipulation.
So, all that being said, if we're going to win the nation, it's going to have to be a broad Christian alliance.
A broad Christian alliance.
And, Reformed guys, we have serious theological differences with Catholics.
But you know what?
Those debates, as important as they are, they are the luxury of winning.
We've got to win the country, and then we will have those debates.
But in a political and cultural realm, I think there needs to be a co belligerency.
And anybody who's trying to shoot that down while in the same breath doing the exact same co belligerent strategy with Jews, you know that person is bought and paid for.
That person is being dishonest.
There is no such thing as that level of stupidity.
That is not stupid.
That is malicious.
That person knows what they're doing.
And he's mentioning this too in the realm of politics.
So, in addition to the Constitution preamble, remember, politics is friend and enemy.
And so, if you're coming off of the 30 years war, for example, and Protestants and Catholics.
For one, those are the only two religions with any semblance of adherence in Europe.
And you have England with the Protestants, and you have Catholics and the Habsburg dynasty and everything here.
Yeah, there's a real sense in which politically they threatened one another's way of life.
I mean, there's entire Protestant towns destroyed in the Thirty Years' War.
And then Protestants came back and they went to war and they took over Catholic towns.
So in that time, friend, enemy, who threatens my way of life?
Catholics distinctly threatened Protestants.
Protestants distinctly threatened Catholics.
Today, in the year of our Lord 2026, do Catholics threaten the way of life of Protestants?
They don't.
No.
Jews do.
Muslims do.
Hindus do.
Indians do.
Atheists do.
Satanists do.
Well, atheists don't matter.
They're so insignificant and so small.
At this point, I feel.
I'm thinking of all the trans shooters.
That's true.
I'm thinking.
That's actually a religion called Satanism.
That's right.
I would argue.
And you already covered Judaism.
The founder of the Church of Satan was Jewish, ethnically.
I know.
All of those religions threaten my way of life.
Catholicism, right now, in this time, and that wasn't always the case.
It doesn't, and so politically, friend enemy or at least not to the same degree, not to the same degree, not for the foreseeable future.
So, friend enemy, here's a group that's friends, even though we would not share a church together.
Nothing, none of what we talked about just now said, and so we should uh be inviting one another to our churches, and I should be pulpit supply for the local Catholic parish, and we'd love to have a priest.
Never said that, that's the spiritual realm, right?
Politically, hey, we have a lot in common against a shared common enemy, that's right.
That's politics, that's right.
So, outside of Protestant and Catholic, when you look at uh Muslim, Jewish, secular, all these different things, Hindu.
Much more of a threat to our way of life than Catholics are to Protestants or Protestants are to Catholics.
I would say that the only real serious, and again, not spiritually speaking, not theologically, but politically and culturally, the main threat that Protestants pose to Catholics is that Protestants are doing everything they can on almost like a 24 7 basis.
I mean, they're waking up with like dreams in the night, cold sweat, thinking, how can I give away more cultural and political power to Jews?
So, on the Protestant side, we actually are a threat to Catholics because Catholics that live here in America, but not at the same degree.
My point is as Jews, Muslims, Hindus, secular atheists.
But still, Protestants, I would say the main threat that we pose to Catholics here in America is that we really do open up the door for Jewish influence.
And I'm not just being silly or trying to be base or something like that.
I mean that we are constantly giving away political and cultural capital to individuals, not necessarily every single one of them, but to individuals in our country who are beholden.
First and foremost, their allegiance lies with a foreign nation rather than ours.
That is a liability.
And then on the flip side, right, I'm not just going to pick on the Protestants.
The Catholics, how are they, again, not spiritually, theologically, but in the cultural, political realm, a great ally?
But what's their Achilles heel?
How do they threaten Protestants?
They open the door to, they're like, which country, right now, quick search, which country in the world has the lowest GDP, the lowest education, zero literacy, the most diseases?
Bring them in!
Like Catholics, it is immigration.
Protestants, it is Zionism.
That's just kind of the way it is.
Catholicism is brown.
Protestantism is Jewish.
And we just both need to recognize our Achilles' heels and the ways that we've failed and maybe stop doing that.
But we need to, all that being said, we need to recognize in terms of degrees of threat, the threat is still, as bad as those weaknesses are, the threat is still exponentially greater from Jews, Muslims, Hindus, secular atheists, right?
Like, surely we can agree on that.
The White Monster Problem00:02:12
Okay.
Over on YouTube, Dakota Davis said, Dominion Wealth is very helpful on this topic, the topic of health.
Awesome.
Keep going.
Let's do all Dakota Davis.
All right.
All Dakota Davis.
He sent in two more.
He said, What are thoughts on things like White Monster?
So, White Monster energy drink.
I mean, the fuel of just the new Christian right, I got to say.
There's some good energy drinks out there.
There's a need for more.
There's a need for more.
But White Monster in particular, one of the things I love about it, Very low calorie.
Like the calories in a full sugar monster, I think it's over 200, like your green monster.
And that is just sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar.
Where something like a white monster, your sweetness in it comes from sucralose.
Sucralose is 600 times more potent of a sweetener than sugar.
And so you have high fructose corn syrup because the United States government subsidizes corn production and they're able to extract the fructose and use that to sweeten your drinks.
Downside, it's super high calorie.
White Monsters, your Red Bull Zero, Red Bull Sugar Free, your Celsius, this is another big one.
They don't have all the calories in them that are, to be honest, they're making you fat.
They're building up, there's lots of sugar.
So I like that part of them.
The ingredients themselves, most of them in high amounts, they're not great for you.
Erthital, sucralose, yeah, like don't have a lot of them.
But practically speaking, when it comes to, well, I could have this that has 200 calories in it and it's full of sugar.
And I could have this that has an artificial sweetener in it.
Now, granted, it's like a 600th of the amount, but it's still not great.
The trade off between the two of those, one wins hands down.
Same thing with Diet Coke.
Like, yeah, there's some things in it, your aspartame.
Yeah, if you're allergic to aspartame, don't have it.
But is it way better to have that than a, I think, diet, what is regular Coke?
50, 60 grams of sugar?
The trade off is very clear.
So the ideal is probably something like coffee.
The ideal is something probably like organic herb and mate, which is a tea that has caffeine in it.
Those things are great.
But honestly, not that far away is your White Monster, your Red Bull Zero.
Don't drink a ton of them.
You know, do coffee and do one of those a day.
But I would take that far and above a full sugar energy drink.
Profit From Tariffs00:03:00
I can even make it simpler than that.
I would just say White Monsters are for White Monsters.
Original Monsters are for Satanists.
There you have it.
There we go.
All right.
Last one from Dakota Davis, real quick.
He said Are y'all observing Lent?
Why or why not?
I'll go first.
I'll keep it brief.
No.
Nope.
Nope.
I don't think there's something bad to saying I'm going to take these two months and get off social media.
Totally.
I think that it's a great practice.
And you have the freedom to observe it.
Exactly.
Godspeed to anybody who wants to do that.
But we are Protestant and unashamedly so.
And we love our tradition.
And we actually do fast from whether it be fast from food or fasting certain vices or things like that on a regular basis.
But we do not observe Lent.
We're going to start right now and we're going to end right then.
But the practice itself, I think it could be a really helpful practice.
But we are not Catholic.
Okay, last one.
Can you read it, Antonio?
Yep.
The Edgerow Whistle sent $2 and says SCOTUS has just scuttled the entire plan.
Tariffs.
It's over.
It's over.
Yeah, that's true.
Go invest now.
No, seriously.
Great time to get in the stock market.
And honestly, you probably need to because you're going to need to make some kind of profit to be able to build wealth as a hedge against the country that your children are in.
Hey, if they're selling out your country, at least profit from it.
No, seriously, though.
Like if their country is being sold out by the Supreme Court because Congress is never going to do it, if that's happening, then you better, not only might as well, you better profit on it so that your kids have a hope and a future.
And then you need to leave and try to, I don't know.
Try to live in Japan, maybe El Salvador, maybe Hungary.
I don't know.
I would just say this too quickly.
I'm no constitutional scholar, but I do think there's an argument where you could probably derive from Article I that it is a legislative function to enact tariffs, taxes, tariffs, levies.
All of these things are technically within the remit of congressional authority.
And so a president actually taking executive authority to, I mean, you can, in a very strict, narrow sense of the law, make a case that the president should not be enacting tariffs.
And so I'm not in all too fuss about it, but we all recognize that.
In order to save the country, we're going to need broader executive authority.
Congress is just stalemated every which way.
Last four years, they passed like virtually nothing outside of appropriations bills.
So, yep.
So, on one hand, as an American, you can say it, me, Constitution, and say it probably makes sense.
On the other hand, you're like, yep, my country's actively being sold out.
And like you said, Joel, the least I can do is try to make a gain from it.
Yep.
Last one God is good, and I am a monkey.
He said, health as a tool for furthering God's.
Glory, not reaching transhumanist immortality via artificial wombs and other whores, will be an ongoing ideological battle.
Good to see you guys with NXR Studios engaging with this topic.