Dr. David Edgington and host Joel dissect the epidemic of "reviling wives" and "white knights" destroying conservative Christian families, arguing that modern feminism enables women to weaponize words against husbands while pastors wrongly prioritize exceptions over biblical submission. They address specific viewer crises, including a father separated from his daughter for 13 years due to slander, and urge men to confront false accusers with love or leave unrepentant churches. Ultimately, the discussion calls for a return to clear male headship and godly character in marriage, warning that subjective claims of divine protection often mask destructive behavior. [Automatically generated summary]
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We have a special episode for you, a treat, if you will.
We have Dr. David Edgington, who is the author of a brand new book that's just recently been published called White Knights and Reviling Wives.
The subtitle is How Feminism Destroys Families.
And so we have the author of this brand new book joining us for this live stream.
And we're going to spend our first segment, probably about half an hour, where we're asking him, why did you write the book?
What's the primary objective and overview of the book?
What does it discuss?
What problem are you trying to solve?
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And that's how we're going to round out the show.
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But for today, as I've said, we have a special guest, Dr. David Edgington.
Welcome to the show.
Thanks for joining us.
Thank you, Joel.
It's great to be here with you.
All right.
I'm going to ask you the question that everybody always asks for an author when they've written a book and they come on a podcast.
First question, it's a good one.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Here's the question Why did you write the book?
Well, it is broke and we need to fix it.
So that's the first part of that answer is that, well, 10 years ago, I wrote the book, The Abusive Wife.
And You probably know some of the story about that.
I could not get any publishers to publish it.
No Christian publisher would touch it.
It was too controversial.
They said it's not a problem, it's not a big deal, and it's offensive to women.
So I had to self publish it through Amazon.
And in the last three or four years, the book has gotten a lot of attention because people are like, wow, I've never seen anything on this before.
Why has it taken so long to find somebody that's written on this topic?
And I think the answer to that question is the first thing I said.
Nobody wants to publish it.
But since that time, just a few years ago, it has just exploded with attention because there is an epidemic, and I don't use that word lightly.
There's an epidemic of marriages that are suffering with exactly what I described in the book.
I've got firsthand testimony in it.
I'm not appealing to statistics.
I'm appealing to real cases, real husbands and wives that I counsel.
And, um, uh, The book got so much attention, and I was counseling so many people around the world with this problem, not just in America, but around the world, that frankly, I learned a lot more just from talking to so many people.
As a result of that, I thought I need to write more on this because I understand even better now.
So that was the reason that I wrote this book, this new book, White Knights and Reviling Wives.
How feminist.
Yeah, I remember hearing you say that, Dr. Edgington.
I remember hearing you, maybe it was with the King's Hall or something, or it might have even been correspondence back and forth because we've DM'd each other, emailed, or something like that.
But I remember you saying basically, you kind of wrote the book 10 years ago, but it didn't get as much attention as you would have liked.
But it's not just like, hey, now there's an opportunity for there to be a market and an audience for the book, but it's also in 10 years.
You've grown in your experience, your wisdom.
Like there's, so it's not just the same book from 10 years ago, and now, you know, somebody's willing to read it because people finally realize, oh, wait, maybe feminism is absolutely terrible.
But it's more than just that.
It's the basic premise from 10 years ago, but with case studies and testimonials and even principles and applications that you've grown in objectively over the course of a decade's worth of wisdom.
Is that right?
That's correct.
Yeah.
And, you know, my goal is not to get a bunch of royalties in a book and make it a bestseller and all that.
That doesn't really matter to me at all.
I just want to help people, I want to help families, I want to help marriages, I want to help men, I want to help pastors too.
But it's kind of funny.
I find that I more appeal to the kind of blue collar, ordinary Christian guy in the church than to the pastor and the guy that's in positions of authority.
Even though I've been a pastor for 33 years, the average guy in the church says, Wow, finally somebody that's on our side.
And I go, Why wouldn't people be on the side of truth?
It's a mystery to me.
But When I wrote this new book, I wrote it exactly like you said.
I had learned so much over the years.
And honestly, even since I wrote this book, I'm still learning more because I've actually counseled over 500 of these situations.
So it's not just a handful of people.
And at the same time, that grieves me that there's so many that are going through this, but also it excites me because people are getting a biblical response to this.
Growing problem in society and specifically in the church.
My book basically addresses the problem that is in conservative Christian churches.
Not just one denomination, not just one theological outlook.
It goes across denominations from the most strongly Reformed to the most Arminian churches that you can imagine.
I think I have probably talked to people in every major denomination that have gone through exactly what is described in the book.
And that's tragic to me.
It's also strange to me.
Yeah.
Okay.
So let me ask this What is a reviling wife?
Okay.
And that's the question.
It's kind of interesting.
That term has almost become a technical term over the years now that people go, Oh, reviling wife.
I know what that is.
I know what that is.
You see it all the time on X now.
But a reviling wife, see, just to back up a little bit, I called the first book The Abusive Wife because the word reviling, everybody's like, I don't know what that means.
But I want to communicate to people.
So I used the word abusive in the title.
And then in the first few chapters of the book, I explained abusive is not the best word because it's a very vague and ambiguous word.
The biblical word is reviling.
So, when you revile someone, you're using words as a non contact weapon.
You're trying to destroy that person.
You're trying to ruin that person.
You're trying to undermine them.
You're trying to just be cruel with what you say to them.
You're harsh.
You're demeaning.
You're arrogant.
You're prideful.
You're always quarreling about something.
You're nasty.
And you don't back up.
You don't back off on it.
There's an absence of humility, a lot of arrogance, a lot of pride.
And this just tears people down.
You know, we always use that saying that, well, sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me.
Words can never hurt me.
And it's like, it's not really true, is it?
The men that I cancel, they go through this, they say, I wish I'd get hit with a bat instead of all these words that my wife uses every day.
And then, sadly, as an aside, some of the wives do hit their husbands with a bat and they do physically assault their husbands.
So, but it's just a tearing down of another individual with the words and it's harsh.
You know, it's in John chapter 9 where the Pharisees were doing that to the man that was born blind.
And they reviled him.
Oh, you're following Jesus.
You say you know what Moses taught.
And the word is in there.
They're reviling him.
They're just trying to destroy him and dehumanize him.
Right.
And we have seen men that have done this over the years.
I mean, you and I know men that have been this way.
And it's been a problem throughout history.
It's not something new.
But what is new, or at least what we think is new, Is women doing this to men, specifically women doing this to their husbands?
And really, when I say it's new, it's not really new because Solomon wrote about it.
It's all in the scriptures.
There's all kinds of places in the Word of God that talk about contentious wives that are quarrelsome, that's like a dripping rain.
It's better to live on a corner of a rooftop than with a reviling wife or a quarrelsome wife.
It's better to live out in a desert land than with a quarrelsome wife.
So it's not really a new problem.
But what's happened is that we've ignored this problem.
It goes several layers.
We've ignored this problem and give cover to the women that are doing this.
And we don't hold those women accountable.
And then we blame the man for the wife being a reviler.
And then we give the wife the freedom to end the marriage because she's claiming the man is a reviler or he's abusive and he's not.
This is the other part that's so common with this the men that I counsel, they're usually very good men.
They're men that you go, man, he's kind, he's sweet, he's gentle, he's loving, he sacrifices, he's got a good job, he's caring for his family, he loves his kids, he would do anything for them.
So these are not nasty, mean, arrogant, prideful, horrible men that we're talking about in this.
We're talking about good men, almost without fail, good men.
And the wife is this bitter, unrepentant, unsubmissive, Reviler, and it is just tearing families apart.
And the other part that I want to make sure everybody understands the reason the subtitle of my new book, White Knights and Reviling Wives How Feminism Destroys Families, I specifically wanted the word families in that title because it doesn't stop there, it doesn't stop with the man getting destroyed, the marriage getting ruined, the children are affected by this, and then the children are turned against the father.
By the reviling wife, and the father loses his relationship with his own sons and daughters, sometimes never talking again.
Right, because she poisons, you know, she'll win in the court system.
Everything is tilted against the man and toward the woman.
So, judicially, she'll win in the court.
Blaming Men for Wives' Sins00:15:48
Yes.
And so then she'll get primary custody.
So, the man will get to see the children every other weekend and on Thursdays and split holidays.
But she's with the children 80% of the time, and she will poison her own children against their father with little passive aggressive remarks here and there, even when they're toddlers, even when they're tiny.
So, they literally grow up believing lies.
Yeah, they grow up hating their father based off of, in large part, lies.
And this isn't every case, but what you're saying, what we're saying, Is that this is far more common than many people would admit.
I have a question for you in regards to a statement that has been made somewhat popular in Reformed church circles.
And I understand you and I both agree 100% with the principle of male headship.
And you correct me if I'm wrong, but I think from following you on X and things like that, that you would agree that that's not just a principle for the church and the home, but then even society at large.
We would like to see men fill the roles of civil magistrates.
And leaders and things like that, even in the realm of the state and society at large.
So we both agree with male headship.
But I've heard it said in reform circles that, you know, the woman is capable of sin, but the man is always responsible.
How do you feel about that statement?
What do you think?
You know, I think there's some truth on some level with that, but then there's a very deceptive lie attached to that, too.
I think a man is responsible.
For what happens in his home.
And by responsible, that means he has to lead his home.
Right.
And he has to lead it well, of course.
He is leading his home.
Every man is leading his home, but some lead it very poorly.
But is he responsible for her sin?
I would go, no, he's not responsible for her sin in this sense that if he's corrected her, if he's tried to help her, and she's unrepentant, and she does not want to change, and she stays bitter, and she stays angry.
I don't see how you can put the guilt on the man for that.
Now, some people are not saying guilt.
Some people are not saying guilt.
They're saying responsible.
I go, okay, we can nuance that word a lot.
I go through it in my book in more detail, but we have to be so careful that we don't blame these men for the sins of their wives.
That's what often happens, Joel.
That I get this from a lot of different good people, guys that, you know, we're on the same page on almost everything.
And then they say, well, The guy would just lead a little bit better.
She wouldn't be so mean.
Or he would just be kinder to her.
She wouldn't be so angry.
Or if he just was a tougher guy, this wouldn't be happening.
I go, You don't know what you're talking about.
It's not true.
I wish it was simple.
Just tell the guy, Hey, shape up, and your wife will follow you.
But why don't we hold the wife accountable and say, Okay, if you're nasty and mean, even if your husband's a bad leader, you don't get the freedom to be nasty and mean.
You don't get the freedom to revile him then.
I mean, we could look at 1 Peter 3.
Even if a man disobeys God's word, she's still supposed to be subject.
In Titus 2, the older women should be training the younger women to be submissive to their husbands so that the word of God is not blasphemed.
The actual word that's used there is a very strong word.
Ephesians 5 talks about that.
Wives should be submissive to their husbands in everything, not with the thing she wants to submit in, but in everything.
Like, even wearing a red dress, everything?
Even something like that?
Yeah, we get into these little things.
It's like, oh boy, that's going to explode, isn't it?
And that's the problem everybody always wants to get cute and technical and make an exception.
But when you make so many exceptions or you only emphasize the exception, if all you ever do is emphasize the exception, then subtly what you're actually communicating is that the exception is not the exception.
If it's the only thing emphasized, you've now made the exception the norm.
And the reality is that.
In my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I can tell from the scripture, a wife is not to submit to her husband when he forbids that which God commands or commands that which God forbids.
The same as a husband or a wife, for that matter, man or woman, in their duty to submit to the civil magistrate, right?
So, like when it was all the COVID restrictions, you can't go to church, you can't work your job, that was the language, the rhetoric that we employed.
We said, well, wait a second, resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.
But it actually has to be tyranny.
And that's the problem is that we would take that same principle, your John Knox, or your Lex Rex, Rutherford, and we would apply that to wives.
But then the problem is that we basically categorize any authoritative statement that a husband would ever make as tyranny.
We say it's all tyranny.
So, whereas a husband, yes, he could be a jerk, he really could.
But I don't know anybody.
I mean, I counsel tons of people all the time.
I don't know any husband.
Who is being a tyrannical jerk with his wife's wardrobe on an hour to hour, day to day, week to week basis?
So I don't know anybody like that.
So then let's talk practically.
Let's not just talk about the extreme hypotheticals.
Let's talk about practically what actually occurs.
There may be some few, they're very few and far between instances where a husband asks his wife politely, kindly, and says, Hey, would you wear this particular dress?
I love this dress.
It's one of my favorites.
You always look so beautiful in it.
And we're going to such and such event or this or that or whatever.
And I would love if you wore this dress.
And she's like, You're dictating my wardrobe?
This is.
You're controlling me.
Right.
And then, but then who's the first person?
Let's be honest.
Who's the first person to come to her defense?
Well, Oprah Winfrey, that notorious feminist.
No, her reformed pastor, her reformed pastor will be the first person to side with her when we literally have.
A verse in the Bible that says, Wives, submit to your husbands in everything.
And unless there's some kind of biblical command that clearly describes that dress as inherently immoral for her to wear, like the dress is incredibly immodest or skimpy.
But if it's a tasteful, modest dress, and he's simply expressing his preference, I would like for you to wear this dress at this event, that actually falls.
Perfectly square, as far as I can tell, underneath the banner of his headship, and the proper godly response from a godly woman who fears the Lord is, uh, yes, yes, my lord, you know, if she wants to be like Sarah, you know, like, um, or at least, um, uh, sure, uh, sure, honey, I'd love to.
I'm glad that you think I'm beautiful in this dress, I'd love to.
Uh, what, what is, but, but my point is, like, as I witnessed the discourse in podcasts and in sermons and in Twitter posting, you know, from again, I'm not talking about, I was being facetious, I'm not talking about Oprah.
Winfrey.
I'm not talking about the world.
From reformed pastors, it is always bringing up the exception.
I don't get it.
What do you think?
The exceptions become the rule.
That's what happens.
Well, are you saying, Joel and David, that a wife should allow a husband to beat her up?
No, of course not.
Are you saying it's okay for a wife to be raped by her husband and she just submits to it?
Of course not.
I don't know anybody that's saying that.
But we are talking about day to day decisions, just day to day things.
And it's so ironic, too, because my wife asks me, What do you want me to wear?
Do you like this dress or this dress?
Do you like these shoes or these shoes?
This color or that color?
And I go, I like that one.
It's just, Okay, I'll wear it.
I go, That's it.
It's not a big deal.
It's not something we're fighting over.
But what happens with the reviling wife is she weaponizes her emotions about all of these things.
You're controlling me.
You're dictating to me.
You're telling me what to do.
You're just trying to be a tyrant.
And you're into this patriarchy, male headship stuff, and that's dangerous.
And I go, no, it's not.
It's biblical.
It's what God's word teaches.
You know the irony, Dr. Edgington?
I just thought of this.
You know the irony with the red dress example?
The average wife has been dictating the wardrobe of her husband.
For like going on like five or six decades now.
And we joke, I mean, it's literally like it's pretty common.
And I like, we literally make jokes about it, like, yeah, I don't wear that anymore.
My wife won't let me, you know, or like my wife does all that, you know, she's in charge, you know, she's, you got to ask the boss, you know, we have all these little lines, these little throwaway lines in our culture that are absolutely just as present, if not even more present in church culture.
She's the boss, you know, she's the one who decides the wardrobe, you know, and makes all the clothing decisions.
And yeah, you know, I like that sweater, but I, You know, I haven't worn it.
It's sitting, you know, collecting moths and dust, you know, in the closet.
I haven't worn it for seven years, you know, because my wife told me I'm not allowed to.
And we'll joke about it, but there is an underlining truth there that very, very commonly, a wife who tends to be more tasteful when it comes to those kinds of things, like, you know, dress attire than the man, she has usually lots of opinions, usually substantially more than he does about what the family wears.
And for the most part, pretty much every man I've ever talked to, Is perfectly comfortable abiding by those opinions.
So she's expressing preference, and nine out of 10 times he's happy to oblige.
But then you have the reversal.
In some rare case, he actually has an opinion on dress attire for her.
And then that's used as an example by Reformed pastors, used as an example of an overreach of male authority.
And I'm just sitting over here saying, what in the world?
Are we talking about seeing it's and even more?
I mean, I don't, I guess I don't get hung up on the red dress thing, I don't hear too much about that, but maybe I hear about going to a church.
Let's pick a church to go to.
And the husband says, Well, boy, I really like this church.
I like the pastor, I like the theology, I like his preaching, I like this, I like that.
And the wife says, No, I don't like that church.
And then the guy has a choice, he goes, Okay, well, go where you want to go, which is abdication, which is wrong on his part.
Or he says, you know, no, this is the best church for us to go to, honey.
But let's talk about this.
Let's go in this direction.
Now, is he being a tyrant or is he being a leader?
He's being a leader.
Same with counseling.
This is the other thing that I have to talk to men about this when they contact.
And by the way, just so everyone knows, this is again not an exaggeration.
I get contacted by men every day about the reviling wife and the white knight.
Every day, email, phone, text.
And after this podcast, it's going to be even more people.
So I go, okay, maybe it'll be two a day now.
But I hear from men all the time, and they say, well, you know, my wife doesn't want to go to you for counseling, David, because she's seen your book, The Abusive Wife.
She's seen a podcast or she's been on your website.
And I go, okay.
What I would suggest you do is you inform her that, you know, we need to see David for counseling.
Let's go at least one time.
Maybe two times.
See how it goes.
Give him a chance.
You know, he's not biased.
David has already said he's going to hold the man accountable.
He's going to hold the wife accountable.
I'm not biased.
I say, even though I've seen all these reviling wives, I still say, you know, man, if you're in sin, I'm going to call you out on a two.
So, but that's just another subtle way for the man to learn how to lead is to say, you know, honey, we need to go to this guy for counseling.
I've checked.
This is the direction we need to go.
And if the man thinks that's the case, he should be standing and holding the line on that rather than just going to a feminist counselor, going to a woman counselor for the husband and wife, rather than going to a secular counselor or a psychological counselor.
A lot of men, they try to appease their wives rather than lead their wives.
And in the process, they get into more and more trouble.
And I'll comment on the other thing that you mentioned a few times, too.
It really puzzles me about Reformed churches that get this wrong.
Talking about Reformed Baptist, Reformed Presbyterian, doesn't matter.
That, you know, we should be the ones that have the highest standard of the Word of God, in my opinion, that this is the way the Scripture should be understood.
I have plenty of Arminian friends and brothers, but Reformed guys not getting this right, and again, not just not getting it right.
But turning against the guy and blaming the guy, I go, This is a real head scratcher for me.
I don't get how that keeps happening over and over and over again.
It's almost like there's an elitist society among pastors that we are untouchable because we know everything and don't you dare question or challenge us.
And so here comes, you know, Boomer Dave and saying, Yeah, I'm going to challenge that because I've been around the block for a while.
I've been a pastor for 33 years.
And, um, I know what God's word says, and you have to hold the husband accountable and you have to hold the wife accountable.
Why do we only hold the man accountable?
Why do we?
There's a number of churches that will preach these things, but then when you get into the counseling office, they back off on it.
So, in other words, they'll preach about male headship and women should submit.
Some churches will do that, but then they get in the counseling office and it's almost like a different guy the guy from the pulpit to the guy in the counseling office is a different guy.
And the men, the husbands come to me and they say, I don't get it.
He's a good preacher.
He's a good teacher.
He understands God's word so clearly.
He preaches it, he teaches it really well.
But then he gets into the counseling office and it's a different guy.
Where happened?
What happened to the bold preacher?
Preaching Headship vs Counseling Reality00:14:33
Now he's cowering because he's face to face with a woman who might disagree with him.
That's one of the differences between preaching and teaching, isn't it?
Preaching, you can preach and say anything you want, and you're not going to get too much pushback.
But you're face to face in an office with somebody, you're going to get immediate feedback from them, whether they like what you're saying or they hate what you're saying.
So I think a lot of people go cowardly in the counseling office because they say, okay, I might get some pushback from a woman, so I have to protect her.
So, we didn't really define that, but that's what the white knight is.
The term white knight, some people are not familiar with that term.
Most people that contact me, they know what that means.
The white knight is the man that rushes to the rescue of the wife who's clearly in sin, not suspected of sin, just clearly in sin.
And he runs cover for her, he protects her, and he blames the husband.
So, one of the ways this works out if the husband is angry about something, they confront the husband and say, What are you so angry about?
Okay, that's right.
That's appropriate.
But then they look at the wife and she's angry.
And then they say, Well, husband, what did you do to make her so angry?
It's a double standard.
You go, Wait, okay, to some level you can ask that question.
But ultimately you have to say, Wife, your anger is a sin.
This is not appropriate.
This is a bitter, hostile, unrepentant, unsubmissive sin that you're committing here.
You don't just get a pass on that.
The white knight will never do that.
The white knight will kick the man out of the church.
Yeah, the white knight will approve of a divorce.
The white knight will even sometimes take the wife and the children into his own home or into the home of one of the elders and not even tell the man what's going on, in other words, not even inform the husband.
Yeah, I've seen that.
I've seen that even with, sadly, even with a daughter, where you know, the daughter, older teenage daughter, is complaining about her father being abusive when it was not true.
And that daughter taken by the pastors into custody.
The pastors not telling her own father and mother where she is, what's going on, not permitting them to speak to her.
And there being incredibly painful consequences down the line.
Pastors, I think, ironically, it really is tyrannical.
So, pastors are, you know, they say that they're so concerned about a husband or a father exercising tyranny over his family.
Meanwhile, They are intervening and inserting themselves over the authority of a husband and father in the home where they don't actually have jurisdiction.
And I've seen many reformed pastors who push comes to shove, right?
It's sometimes hard to get them to verbally admit it out loud.
But when push comes to shove, you'll quickly discover they believe that the authority of the pastor is basically a universal authority.
They think that.
That it supersedes the authority of a husband and father in the home.
They think that it supersedes, if they could, they're powerless to do so, but if they could, they would say that it supersedes the authority of civil magistrates in the realm of the state.
This mindset, which is prominent, I think, especially, not just including, but especially within Reformed church circles, this mindset of basically the pastor being an expert in everything.
He is, you know, he's the expert in every single field.
He's a political expert.
Somehow he's an expert in engineering.
He's an expert in this.
He's an expert, like, and he just has limitless authority in every realm, in every sphere.
And it's really, I think it's really become a problem.
Wes, it seemed like you were going to ask a question or say something.
I was just going to ask, Doctor.
It seems like from your title, White Knights and Reviling Wives, you don't get the second one without the first one.
So there's plenty of cultures, they're not Christian, but they don't have reviling wives.
The women in society are not.
They wouldn't treat men the way that even here in a Christian society, increasingly less so, but in a Christian marriage, upsensibly, They treat their husbands worse than non Christian wives would treat their husbands.
I think of cultures like Islam and the Middle East.
So it seems to me, and you can tell me if you agree, that second part is essential to it.
You don't get the reviling wife if all the men in society, your judges, your civil magistrates, your pastors, they say no more.
It's only the combination of the two, and then one plus two, reviling wives, white knights equals feminism that destroys a nation.
You just have reviling wives, but they're kept in check by the men of a society.
It seems to me it wouldn't be as much of a problem.
No, you can't act that way.
No, you can't dress that way.
No, you can't talk that way.
And so it is the abdication at some level of men allowing it that then you come about and you actually have the crisis that we have.
Does that sound accurate?
There goes Wesley blaming men.
Again.
No, that is true.
Yeah, go ahead.
And honestly, you do have to be careful with that.
It could just come across as well, it's men's fault then that this is happening.
So, on one level, I think it is.
On another level, I just want to be sure there is no way that we are promoting any kind of Islamic republic here or anything that would that's what we need.
We need this Islamic oppression and tyranny, and then this problem will go away.
I'm like, oh no, now you got all I got a whole nother problem.
But the uh, we have to understand this does happen in almost every culture.
There are white knights in pretty much every culture, including Islamic ones, too.
I know in some of the extreme ones, there's not.
But I mean, we can think of plenty of Muslims right now that are tyrants, that are women, that are reviling life, right?
I mean, you and I could name plenty of names right now.
And we go, oh boy, yeah, this is a big problem.
Ilhan Omar, boom, roasted.
There's one.
But we do have to look at this from the other side and say, yes, we do have to.
Train men to be courageous and strong and bold and to have that inner life, that inner strength in them, not just outward physical strength, but that inner courage to be able to be unbending and unmoving when they're following God's word.
They have to fear God more than they fear their wife.
This is often what falls apart here.
They fear their wife more than they fear their God.
Or they fear the pastor more than they fear God.
And all these things that you guys have been saying is that the pastor becomes the surrogate husband, really, to the wife.
I'll protect you.
You come to me.
If you've got a question about your husband, talk to me.
Don't even talk to him about it.
That's treachery.
That's a betrayal of the marriage itself.
She's betraying the marriage.
He's entertaining gossip.
He's taking it on himself to try to.
Split them apart.
He may not want a romantic interest with this reviling wife, but he's defending her as if she's his own wife and he's defending her blindly.
So he is a major, major contributor to this problem.
So, getting back to your point, if pastors in America, I'll just talk about America, I'm not an expert on other cultures.
If pastors in America would stand up and say, you know what, we don't want to be tyrants.
But we're just going to hold women accountable.
We're just going to hold wives accountable, just like we hold men accountable.
This problem would be changed in a generation, it would be gone.
Because I think that may be what you're saying.
You said it a little differently than I would, but I think that's what you're implying there is that if men would stand up, all men, not just a few, then wives would eventually have to make a decision and say, okay, I'm going to be all alone for the rest of my life.
Well, I better repent.
And repentance is what God calls me to do.
And I should be doing that.
I should be looking at that.
But when men just keep running cover for these wives, it's never going to end.
But sadly, here's what I see happening the momentum is growing.
There's more and more men.
Now I'm counseling men from the same church.
So, in other words, one guy from the church contacts me and another guy from the same church contacts me.
They don't know each other, but they're both going through the same thing with the same pastor.
And so I talk to the guys.
I say, okay, is it okay if I. Get you two connected with each other, and they go, Oh, please, yes, yes.
And I get them connected, and they're like, Oh man, you're going through exactly what I'm going through.
And then they both try to get some help to get the pastor to turn around.
Often, the pastors won't.
I have very few stories of pastors that repent and say, Yeah, you're right, I've been a white knight.
I've had a few, had one of them come up to me at one of the conferences last year, and he said, You know what, I got a confession to make.
Thank you for all that you've done.
I've been a white knight.
And I said, Really?
And he explained to me what was happening.
And he says, But I'm repentant and I know I can't do this.
I'm not honoring God.
I go, Good for you, brother.
Good for you.
Nobody's against you, but we're glad that you're simply following the scriptures now.
Here's another thing that I find too that's really interesting.
Maybe you guys can comment on this that when I counsel the husband and wife together, I find that the husband, he hears what I say.
I rebuke him about something.
I say, Man, that was sinful, man.
That's not okay.
He goes, Yeah, you're right.
Thanks for pointing that out.
And then he changes.
But the reviling wife, when I do the same thing with her, she says, How dare you?
You just side with the man all the time.
I go, I just rebuked your husband.
Why would you say I'm siding with the man?
I just rebuked him and he humbled himself.
He heard it and he's repentant and he's going to be repenting.
But a lot of times it's a lack of humility on the part of these reviling wives.
It's always a lack of humility and a failure to want to be held accountable.
They don't want to be held accountable.
Let me do whatever I want.
Don't you ever try to correct me.
So here's another piece of the puzzle that is so important to get right.
If you're a pastor listening to this or a counselor listening to this podcast, you've got to get this part right.
Everything else I say is important, but this is the most important part.
If you only counsel that wife without the husband being present, you're going to destroy that marriage.
And the reason is because you're going to listen to gossip.
That wife is going to slander her husband.
And that marriage is going to be over because you're going to side with that woman before you even listen to the man's side of the story.
In fact, many of you pastors, you don't even care.
You don't even talk to the man.
What's the other side of the story?
She's made all kinds of blanket decisions.
Accusations and the pastor just undiscerningly just receives them and he says, This is a terrible man, he's abusive, he's dangerous, this is domestic violence, this is you know, and nothing of the sort has happened.
But they never talked to the man, they've already condemned the man in their own mind.
But by the time they talk to the man, it's too late and the marriage is almost over.
So important, you've got to talk to the husband and the wife together right from the beginning.
At the same time, not talk to the wife and then say, Well, we'll talk to your husband.
It's too late.
You have to do them right from the beginning.
It's amazing how that is the key piece.
If you don't do that, it's going to come out wrong.
Sadly, I see it all the time.
Yep.
Well said.
All right.
Let's do this.
Let's go to our first commercial break.
And if you guys are just now, some of you hopping on to the live stream, this is a live broadcast.
And we are going to be fielding questions directed straight to Dr. David Edgington.
We have him on the show.
We have this opportunity.
This is what he does all day, every day.
He does counseling with husbands and wives, marriage counseling.
And so we are not going to, you know, a lot of times with the live stream, you guys will send in your super chats and it's, you know, it's kind of across the whole gambit and that's perfectly fine.
But for today, we're going to address every single super chat, but with one exception.
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He's graciously given us some time.
So we're going to spend probably 45 minutes after this commercial break dealing with the super chats, questions, and comments, but they have to relate to the topic at hand.
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All right, we're back.
We're going to spend about 45 minutes going through the super chats.
We're going to try to take them as quickly as we can.
So, David, if you could spend just.
A minute or two on each of these because we already have probably close to 10 to 20 of them lined up.
So here's the first one.
10th generation American, S O A R, sons of the American Republic, Revolution.
There it is.
Nailed it first try.
Okay.
$2 super chat.
We appreciate that.
Thank you.
He said, White knights are currently in power.
With white knights in power in our society and the church at large, how do we fix it?
If the white knights are in authority, then how do we fix it, especially with the church?
How do we purge white knights from the church?
I think it's a great question.
It's not an easy answer, but what we have to do is we've got to speak up.
If you're a man that has had an experience like I'm describing with a white knight, you need to confront him with love, but be bold and strong.
Tell him where his error is.
And if he will not repent, you leave his church.
We need to do that one man at a time.
This is the only way it's going to be overturned.
The average person cannot see the white knight, but you, if you've been through this, you know exactly what's going on.
So we're.
We're going to have to do this slowly and gradually, but the more men that go through this, the more we can have an effect on this.
That would be a quick answer to that.
Okay, well said.
This next question, I'm going to go ahead and find there's a scripture reference.
It's 1 Corinthians 11, verse 7.
Okay, so I'm going to read that real quick and then I'll ask the question.
So this is 1 Corinthians 11, verse 7.
It says, For a man indeed ought not to cover his head.
For as much as he is the image and glory of God, but the woman is the glory of man.
So I know what this question is getting at.
I'm going to read it here in just a second.
And I agree, I think, with the intent behind it.
But the particular way that this individual phrased it, I wouldn't necessarily agree with the phrasing.
I think it could be worded better.
But here's the question nonetheless.
This is from S.C. Walker.
He gave us $5.
Thank you very much.
We appreciate that.
He said, per 1 Corinthians 11, chapter 11, verse 7.
How can we better communicate to women that their duty is to man and not to God?
How can we better communicate to women that their duty is to man and not to God?
Again, I'll say, I'll speak for myself and then I'll hand it to you, Dr. Edgington.
But that would not be my preferred wording of the question.
But I think you can probably see, having read 1 Corinthians 11, 7, what he's getting at.
Yeah, I think I understand the intent of that.
I would phrase it differently, too.
I think, in fact, a woman's obligation is to God and not to man.
And therefore, she has to follow God's design and what God says, which is to submit to your husband.
So, if she is unsubmissive, she's not only disobeying her husband, which is a problem, ultimately, she's disobeying God.
She's not submitting to God.
So, I think a God centered woman, a God centered wife, is going to be a submissive wife.
She is not going to be a reviling wife.
So, it's not about just following a man.
It's about following God.
Amen.
Well said.
This next one is from Deacon St. John 0321.
He gave us a $10 super chat.
We really appreciate that.
Thank you for your generosity.
He wrote I have not seen my 12 year old daughter in almost 13 years.
Slander and lies drove her away from me.
I text to maintain contact, and my door is always open to her.
I will take any prayers and advice you might have.
Those are the ones that break my heart the most.
And I hear those very often, sadly.
There's no easy way to get contact back with an absence of 13 years.
That's very hard to overcome.
Because, likely, if you've written letters to that child, they never get to the child.
The mother will prevent them.
If you tried to make phone calls, if you tried to have some type of interaction, she's likely shut that off as well.
So, my heart goes out to you.
With that.
That is, in my mind, that's a pain worse than death, you know, because your child is alive and yet probably despises you.
But I would, one of the things I would urge everyone that's going through this, read Psalm 55.
Read the whole Psalm.
This is a Psalm with David where he was dealing with the betrayal and the treachery of Ahithophel and probably his son Absalom.
And the things that King David went through are very much like what any man with a reviling wife and a white knight goes through.
And you'll find some direction in that psalm for what you need to do, what your cries to God need to be.
And the Lord will hear your prayers.
I pray that you're reconciled with your child again.
But there's no guarantees on that.
Okay.
Well said.
This is from 10th generation Americans, sons of.
American Revolution.
He wrote in another time, gave us $5.
We appreciate that.
He said, more of a comment than a question, but I think he's right.
He said, The shield wall feels so broken.
We're getting hit from every side, growing up with second feminism wave moms, third wave feminism sisters, and passive woke or white night pastors, and as a cherry on top, a tilted court system.
That always favors the woman over the man.
It feels hopeless.
Any thoughts or response to that?
Yeah, I think we have to be staying away from despondency, staying away from dismay like that.
I know it feels hopeless, but it's not because the Lord is the king of his church.
And we don't want to check out a church.
As bad as these things are, the church needs good men in it to steer it back in the right direction.
So please don't.
Don't lose hope.
Don't lose courage.
Instead, rise up, stand up, be a godly man, be a man of integrity, and rise and lead in the way that you can, in the sphere that God has given you.
But don't retreat.
Stand, keep standing.
That's what men do.
We don't back down, even if we're outnumbered, which we are.
We are outnumbered.
But actually, I think it might be the opposite.
We may outnumber them.
We just don't know it.
We don't know each other yet.
So, but let's seek to revive and reform the Lord's church.
Times of darkness, that's what we want.
We don't check out of the church.
We say, no, the church is very sick.
The church needs help.
Let's be a part of that.
Yep.
Well said.
All right.
Next one is Will Nelson, 73.
He gave us a $10 super chat.
Will Nelson, thank you.
We appreciate that.
He said, it's such an uphill battle.
I know godly couples who nonetheless raised daughters.
That became reviling wives.
How do you avoid this in light of modern society?
So, as the parents, instilling in your daughter, if you're the father or mother of daughters, everything that the Bible would say to the best of your ability, but knowing that the moment they leave your home, they're going to be completely inundated with the exact opposite indoctrination.
What are some things that parents, Christian parents, can do to set up their children in such a way that perhaps.
They're more resistant to that opposite indoctrination as soon as they leave the house.
Right.
Proverbs talks about train up a child in the way he should go.
When he's older, he will not depart from it.
And that would be the one thing that I would urge.
You're 71, so you're a little bit older than I am.
But the average young woman today is not taught what it means to be feminine.
What does it mean to be a woman, to be a wife?
Some women are just looking for marriage or they're looking for a wedding, but they're not looking for marriage.
In other words, they want to get the ceremony, but they don't want to have the responsibility of being a wife.
This is what you want to do with your young girls train them what it means to be feminine.
I find so many of the women that I talk to that the things I tell them, they say, Man, my parents never taught me that.
I never heard this before in my life.
And those are the ones that are, you know, they're open, they want to know.
So, there are those that just get indoctrinated when they get out of the house or in college or in the workforce, wherever it is.
But you want to be training your children while they're young and not just give that responsibility to someone else.
Sometimes we give that responsibility to the church, the school, to society.
That has to start in the home, it has to start with mom training the children what it means to be feminine and dad instilling the same thing in his daughters.
And all the things that I said.
Apply to young women too.
What does it mean to be a man?
What does it mean to be a masculine man?
Yeah.
Wes, why don't you pick up with Alan Hatz?
All right.
That dovetails nicely into this question from Alan Hatz, who sent $5.
Thank you, Alan.
He said, Forget white knights after marriage.
How many pastors neglect their role before marriage in clearly defining the biblical roles of husband and wives?
Could you read that one again?
Sure.
Forget white knights, the white knights after marriage.
How many pastors neglect their role before marriage in clearly defining the biblical roles of husbands and wives?
What do you think?
I think those go together.
I think if he's neglecting it after marriage, he's probably neglecting it before marriage as well.
He probably doesn't have a good understanding of what that means.
Maybe he understands it doctrinally, he understands it theologically.
He understands what the scripture says, but he doesn't have the courage to implement it.
I think that's one of the main ingredients that's missing in the white knight courage, strength of conviction.
This is what the word of God says.
Even if every woman in the church gets mad at me and walks out the door, I'm going to keep preaching and counseling what the word of God says.
So I'm not sure it's just something that slowly creeps in over the years.
I think it's been there all along.
Yeah.
Why don't you take that next one?
Bishops sent $10.
Thank you.
They said this wife that is not abusive but has a struggle with submission when I am just trying to lead her biblically and maybe has some feminism and thinks I just go against her views for fun.
Any advice?
Yeah, not just for fun, but I normally categorize it that there's two different types of rebellious wives.
There's the reviling wife, which is the one that we've mainly talked about today.
She's nasty, she's cruel, she's screaming, she's yelling, she's bitter, she's contentious, she yells, she curses, she angrily refuses leadership.
But then there's the other type, which sounds more like what Our reader is talking about is the one that resists.
She's more passive in her rebellion.
She just says, No, thank you.
No, I won't follow you.
I won't do what you asked.
And she never raises her voice.
She never screams.
She never yells.
She's not, but she's scheming.
She's covert.
She's going her own way.
She's just refusing to follow and she withdraws.
She looks for ways to manipulate.
She looks for ways to scheme with her to get control of her husband.
She's back in Genesis 3 16.
Her desires are contrary to her husband's.
So the counsel is for you, husband, to continue to lead your wife, to not back down, not allow those false accusations to stick.
If they're false, don't let them stick and say, oh, she's defined me and that's who I am.
I go, no, that's not who you are.
Don't agree with that.
Just continue to love her, graciously lead her, but be firm in that.
Don't back down.
Do not back down.
Do not abdicate.
That's when it's going to get worse.
Well said.
SC Wilker sent another super chat.
This is in reference to the earlier question we had on 1 Corinthians 11 7.
They followed it up with this.
They said, For your last response, this gets dangerous.
So, this being the woman serving both God and man, when the woman claims God's desires are different than her husband's.
And they quote the scripture, No one can serve two masters.
So, the idea is in saying, Well, woman's service is both to God and man, the woman could say, Well, I'm actually serving God.
And they would say, This gets dangerous.
Anything to follow up on that one?
Well, one of the false flags that is almost without fail is to say something like, My husband is dangerous, or I don't feel safe around him.
And I always push back on that.
I say, What do you mean?
Is he brandishing weapons?
Is he punching holes in walls?
Is he beating you or the children?
And it's all about emotion.
It's all about feeling.
It's not about anything objective or true.
So we can't be blackmailed by that and say, You know, The wife says it's not safe, therefore it's not safe.
It's like, no, if there's no legitimacy to that accusation, then we dismiss it and say, you know, it just sounds like you don't want to submit to what your husband is asking you to do.
And it's usually over very simple, basic things, not even like a red dress kind of a thing, but just very basic, simple things.
Dating, Marriage, and Character Issues00:15:21
And so I hear that very often.
My husband is dangerous.
My husband is not safe.
And I take it seriously.
I ask them, okay, what do you mean?
This is a pretty serious accusation you're making against your husband.
Tell me what that means.
Is he beating you?
Is he doing this?
And I go, no, he's not doing that.
Well, what's he doing?
Well, he's just asking me to do stuff I don't want to do.
Well, is it something sinful or immoral?
No, no, it's not that.
Just don't agree with him.
I go, well, you have to submit to that.
That's what God's word says.
We have to get back to the objective truth of God's word and say, we have to follow the word of God.
That's where you're going to be safe.
You follow God's word, you're in the safest place you could possibly be.
Well said.
Go ahead.
Is this our last one now?
Yes.
All right.
I think we're there.
This is from Dakota Davis, right?
Dakota Davis.
Don't talk to the man right here on stream.
Okay.
And it would be 8168.
It's his name, but it's spelled backwards.
Savad.
That's the social security number.
Akita.
Yeah.
Okay.
Anyways, he gave us a $5 super chat.
We appreciate that.
Very kind.
He said, How do I help my son steer clear of a rhino version of a submissive woman, right?
So, just a submissive woman in name only.
There are witches hiding under head coverings even these days.
How do I help my son not fall for that?
Yeah, yeah, that's a great question.
I explore that in a lot of depth in my new book, White Knights and Reviling Wives, because I want to help young men too that are not married to avoid the trap.
A falling into a marriage that is doomed with a reviling wife.
So, the most basic thing I can say is that you have to test this out.
The young man has to test out this woman as they're getting to know each other, as they're dating, as they're going out together.
Don't fall for the fact that she says, Oh, I want to homeschool my kids, or she wears long dresses, or she Um, you know, she has a head covering, or she did, you know, she wants to be a stay at home mom, etc., etc.
Those are all outward, external things, and they may mean something, they may mean nothing.
They may mean, like, like you said, it's like, boy, there's devious people that are under the covering of conservatism.
You have to test it out.
How is she on a date?
Is she submissive?
Is she following you even on a date?
Now, she's not your wife, but is she compliant?
Is she argumentative?
Is she always having to have her way?
Is she contentious even in the dating relationship?
Is she fighting over little piddly things that don't really matter at the end of the day?
Those are the kinds of things that a young man has to understand.
And he has to look for that quickly.
Because if he gets smitten by a pretty face or a pretty figure, or even, God forbid, he sleeps with her, it's all over.
And he's going to fall for her and just be overwhelmed by everything about her.
And he'll ignore all the warning signs that were there.
And he just didn't want to see them.
Every man that I've counseled that has a reviling wife, I always press them and say, What were the warning signs when you were dating that you missed?
And a lot of times at first they can't see it.
But as we talk, they go, Oh, yeah, this happened.
That happened.
She was really nasty with me.
And I just kind of overlooked it.
Oh, she's just having a bad day.
And You know, and I'm not saying you just dismiss somebody because they're angry one day, but you got to keep testing out to make sure that this is not a character trait.
This is not an ingrained habitual part of her life.
So, because pattern, yeah, you know, what's what is she like?
And what are her parents like too?
What's her mother like?
Yeah, what's her relationship like with her father?
What's her relationship like with her mother?
Those can tell you a lot again.
She may have a bad father and a bad mother, and she might have turned out really good.
That's possible.
But if she's got a good father and mother, and she's nasty towards them or disrespectful, you know, respect is a big thing.
That's a bad sign.
So you want to look for that.
You want to say, okay.
And the other thing, too, if you're a boomer like me, don't look back to, well, when I dated, it was always easy.
We just picked this girl and just get married quick and have a bunch of kids.
Terrible advice.
Do not give that advice.
Please do not.
I'm not saying to get black pilled.
I'm very happily married, but don't go black pilled on this and say, oh, we can't ever get married because there's all these dangerous women out there.
But you've got to slow the process down and really understand what time it is and what's going on.
So, I commend you for asking that question.
How do I help my son?
How do I help my daughter?
That's good.
Yep.
Okay.
This is Cameron Stevenson, right?
We haven't done that.
Okay.
This is a $10 super chat.
We appreciate that, Cameron.
Thank you.
He said, Dr. Edgington, could you speak to the irony of the woman who is so willing to submit to the man, i.e., her corporate boss, but refuses to submit to her own man, namely her husband's leadership?
That is an incredible irony, isn't it?
That she will submit and do anything that this man tells her to do that's her boss, that's in charge, whether it's a government official or just a supervisor at a job, but she won't submit to her husband in her home.
That is a great hypocrisy there that's obviously screaming that this problem is there, that she'll argue and fight with her husband about minutiae, but she'll just go along with her boss because if she doesn't, she's going to get fired.
But this is the problem, isn't it?
She looks at, I can get away with this in my home because he's not going to fire me.
He's not going to divorce me.
So I can fight with him.
And he just has to put up with it.
She's showing her true colors when that's the case, that she thinks she can mistreat her own husband.
And she would not dare mistreating her employer.
Right.
Okay.
This is our very, very last one.
So this is from Jay Beckworth.
He gave us a $5 super chat.
We appreciate that.
He said, What are the qualities that a man should be looking for in dating?
In our unserious and joking culture, it's hard to know what women truly believe.
So, similar to one of the questions that we received a moment ago, but are there any characteristics, any telltale signs that a man who's looking to be married could identify in a woman to try to cut?
Cut to the heart and find out what she really believes, what her true convictions are.
Right.
I think that one place to start is Galatians 5.
Do you see the fruit of the Spirit in her life?
And of course, you want to see these things in your own life.
Don't want to be a man that's pursuing the right kind of woman and you're the wrong kind of guy.
Remember that if you're a godly man, you should be pursuing a godly woman.
If you're an ungodly guy or kind of not a real serious guy, you're not going to.
Find a godly wife.
So, you know, you want to look for those godly traits, those godly characteristics, like Galatians 5, the fruit of the spirits, that you see that she's, you know, the other things would be is she pure?
Is she respectful?
Is she career minded?
Or is she saying, you know, I don't want a career.
I never wanted a career.
And again, that's an external.
So that's not the whole story, but it's at least part of the story that if she's, you know, if she's going into higher education and she's getting all kinds of degrees, And then you want to marry her and expect her to be a stay at home mom and raise your kids?
That's really not fair to her, is it?
If she's invested all that time and energy and money into a higher education, and then you want her to just change that just because she's going to marry you, that's probably not going to work out too well.
So, there's a lot of issues to talk about in this.
It's a good question.
I can't give it good service in just a minute or two, but those are kind of the framework of it.
You've got to be a godly man, first of all.
And then if you're that, now you pursue a woman after God's own heart, just like you want to be a man after God's own heart.
You want to find a woman like that too.
And she doesn't have to be a theological, you know, savant or something either.
She doesn't have to know the finer points of Reformed theology necessarily.
But she does need to have the character and the sweetness and the kindness and the respectfulness and all of those things that you want in a wife.
That's crucial.
Because after you marry her, it's too late to find that.
Right.
Well said.
Okay.
Here at the very end, Thank you so much for coming on the show.
We really appreciate you.
We appreciate your work, appreciate your book.
Do two things for us, please.
Can you let people know where they could follow you, maybe your ex handle, or if you have a Substack or a blog or something like that?
And then also let people know, again, the title of the book and where they can go and purchase a copy if they would like to.
Okay.
The book, again, is called White Knights and Reviling Wives How Feminism Destroys Families.
It is only available at New Christendom Press.
That's the group in Ogden, Utah.
You can follow me on X if you want.
To be honest, I'm not even sure what my handle is.
I think it's David Edgington.
It might be David D. Edgington.
You can follow me there.
You can find me at compassionatecounselors.com.
And that's where you'll find more information.
You'll find information about other books that I've written too.
I've also written another, I like to mention this book also, Romancing Your Savior and Your Spouse.
And this one is available on Amazon.com because it's the other side of the issue.
I don't want anybody to think, boy, David is just a hammer and everything's a nail in his mind.
You know, I'm not just out to hammer reviling wives.
I'm out to find people that want the God glorifying marriage about what it means to follow Christ, what it means to love Christ, and then in the parallel sense, to love their wives like they love Christ.
So, this is a beautiful portrayal that is in the Song of Songs that I highlight.
I go through every verse in this book on romance.
About what the Song of Songs is saying, because it's 3,000 year old Hebrew poetry that we normally don't think of telling our wives, your hair is like a flock of goats, and you're like a horse, you're like a mare among stallions.
I mean, that doesn't sound real flattering.
When you understand Hebrew poetry, you go, oh, that was beautiful.
That was amazing.
And she was totally captivated by it.
So, this is what a marriage should look like.
So, we've talked today about what a marriage should not be, and sadly, what many of them are.
But I also want to present this is what the marriage should be, and this is what you want to desire.
So, a lot of people I say, you know, read that book before you get married to the listener that said, you know, what do I do with my young son or young daughter?
I've had people that have read this book together while they're dating and said, man, this really helped to get clarity on a lot of issues that we're just not hearing about.
Great.
So, those of you who can find me, email me, call me, probably texting me would be better because my phone rings off the hook all day.
So, but you can find all that information on my website, compassionate counselors.com.
And I also have an online men's support group.
It's called Resurgent Warriors.
And great guys in this group.
These are men that have been through this war that we're talking about.
And they've come out on the other side and their resurgence, they're growing, they're rising.
Sanctification is our goal in that group.
And we help each other and we really minister God's word to each other.
We don't, it's not a, A woman bashing group.
It's not just, oh, we're just going to say how bad women are.
It's like, no, we're helping to restore men to the way God intended them to be.
And contact me if you're interested in that as well, because I know there's a lot of you guys out there that you've got nobody to talk to.
And unfortunately, I can't talk to you all.
I'm trying, but I can't get to all of you.
So if you come into my group, I've got a bunch of other guys that will be glad to help you in there.
Awesome.
Well, thank you again so much.
We appreciate you coming on the show.
It's been a blessing to us and I'm sure to our audience as well.
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