Right Response Ministries host argues the "Fourth Turning" crisis is underway, citing Charlie Kirk's assassination and European political shifts as signs of impending violence. He claims a Christian revival among disenfranchised young white men in rural areas contrasts with coastal elites, urging listeners to flee blue states for gated communities. Facing death threats, the host reveals his family now stays in an undisclosed location while he continues battling liberalism and globalism through historic faith, emphasizing that spiritual warfare requires political engagement despite personal risks. [Automatically generated summary]
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The West At Its Breaking Point00:03:36
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The fourth turning is the final stage of a recurring historical cycle, a theory by historians William Strauss and Neil Howe.
It comes every 80 to 100 years after periods of prosperity, awakening, and decline.
The fourth turning is marked by crisis, that is, wars, revolutions, or upheavals.
That tear down old institutions and rebuild society for a new order.
Past examples would include the American Revolution, the Civil War, and World War II.
Many believe that we entered the current fourth turning with the 2008 financial crisis.
What you'll notice is there is an 80 year, 80 to 100 year pattern.
We have the War for Independence here in America, then we have after that the Civil War.
Then we have after that, World War II.
With each of these, you have about an 80 year gap, and it has been about 80 years since World War II.
And we seem to be right on schedule.
We're experiencing upheaval.
We're experiencing in the Middle East, there's been wars forever.
I'm aware America has sadly funded many of those wars for decades, forever wars, but it's getting uniquely spicy.
All right, so this is what we're going to be talking about.
We're going to be giving you guys some of the historical background and why things are actually changing.
I'm going to be sharing graphs, statistics, showing how there is actually a massive uptake in Europeans and Americans returning to Christianity.
Basically, the West is at its breaking point.
That's what we're saying.
The West is at its breaking point.
What cannot continue indefinitely will not continue, right?
What cannot continue will not continue.
And so I think that it may only be a few more years before something significant happens suddenly.
That's the way that history usually plays out, right?
You can just flip the page, and there's not really anything notable for decades, 80 years, a century.
And then all of a sudden, a ton of things happen all at once.
When it rains, it pours.
We're also going to be giving some practical advice, some takeaways of what the next few years will likely look like, and how you should live in light of that.
I'll give one right here up front get out of cities.
I've said it a ton of times.
I've gotten a ton of flack from Christians, from even pastors and ministers.
I wrote a book even a couple years ago just on this entire subject.
I said, fight by flight, right?
Why leaving blue states, godless places, is loving godless places.
Well, that applies to states, getting out of California, whatever it may be, New York, but it also applies to getting out of cities.
Practical Advice For The Next Few Years00:02:36
You want to be somewhere that's private.
You want to be somewhere that's remote.
I understand that it's difficult economically, but we're going to talk about that and break that down as well.
Our prediction is in the next two to five years.
It could be all the way up to 10, but I would bet two to five years, you're going to see something very significant happen in the world as a whole and in these United States particularly.
And we need to be ready when it happens.
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Let's dive in.
All right, quick orders of business right here from the outset.
It has been a couple months now, and most of you guys have caught on by now, but a few of you have asked and missed the news when we first announced it and gave the reasoning behind it.
But Michael Belch, who has been with us for a while, about a year and a half, he has transitioned for new endeavors and projects that he's working on.
And so we've blessed him and encouraged him in his new work that he's pursuing.
And we have Antonio who has replaced him on the podcast.
However, you may have noticed he's been in and out.
And so he was more frequent for the last couple of months, replacing Michael Belch.
But for the next couple of months, due to his work arrangement, he's not full time with us.
We are trying to make that a goal and working towards that for the new year.
But in the meantime, for Q4 of 2025, he will be popping in and out as he has.
Availability.
So he's still with us, Antonio.
Michael has transitioned and is working on new projects, and Antonio will be a regular contributor, Lord willing, next year.
And for now, he's going to be piping in from time to time.
Okay.
Signs Of A Global Revival00:14:54
There's a saying in investing past performance is not indicative of future results.
Basically, we're not guaranteeing you this company grew last year that it's going to grow this year.
However, I think we all know that you can look at the past and you can say, this is a company that grew 2,000%.
I've got a good guess that it's going to continue to, in the long run, grow up.
So, this idea of the fourth turning, popularized in 1997, the authors Strauss and Howe actually predicted, in many ways, the 2008 financial crisis.
So, they predicted that there's going to come a point, at least economically in this case, where the system broke and there was a downturn.
And that actually is what led to the popularity of this idea.
It's entered the popular psyche.
But I want to go back and I'm going to kind of give a very quick overview of how the cycle has played out at this time three to four times already in our American history.
In 2026, we will come up on 250 years.
On July 4th, 250 years since we declared independence from England.
In 2028, we'll hit 250 years that we've been a constitutional republic.
And so we've had a good amount of time to look at the data.
The data from the past doesn't always say this is what's going to happen.
But take a look at how, kind of, that 80 to 100 years you have a rise, but then you have all the baggage that comes with it the individualism, the questioning of the institutions that have been kind of viewed as infallible, then a decline that inevitably comes from the decay of order.
And then a crisis that resets again, a new good period that the decline happens.
So, if we start at the First Revolutionary War, we're actually going to before America declared its independence.
And this was the time in the early 1700s of colonial expansion.
You had the first Great Awakening, you had these institutions built up, a kind of return to religion.
But then what happened is America said, This kind of sucks that we're not independent from Britain.
You had a questioning of the authorities, a decline of relations, and that sparked off 1776, the Revolutionary War.
Well, we won that war.
And then we had the early republic, the Constitution was established, and we had a lot of optimism.
This was going into the early 1800s.
You had Jeffersonian democracy, and you had a lot of institutions established, but then over slavery and states' rights, again, a decline came, and that terminated in, that came to the head of, the Civil War.
600,000 good American men, a vast majority of them Christian, were dead over the issue.
It built up and it led to crisis.
And then this happened again.
You had reconstruction and a lot of strong growth through the late 1800s into the early 1900s.
But then progressive movements, this was the woman suffrage movement, this was temperance, this was some of the second great awakening, those came in and the decline occurred again.
This ended in the Great Depression and World War II.
The US didn't feel World War II as bad as Europe obviously did.
But at this point, now you've had three cycles.
And World War II, what followed World War II, was again a time of growth.
The baby boomers.
They had a great time.
I mean, you could buy four bedroom, two bathroom, basically the cost of a blueberry.
A buck fifty.
For a buck fifty.
So they had a great time.
But then those institutions through the 60s and the 70s, the social upheaval that happened, people began to question them.
You had civil rights.
Well, we've got so much.
Well, why don't we open up the world to more immigration?
And that led to the decline, the Hart Seller Act.
And that led to the decline that we're in right now.
And what we're making the argument is that all of this brings us to again, that we're at the point of crisis again.
We've seen this pattern before and we're looking at it.
And God puts patterns in nature.
I think of the Fibonacci sequence.
It's a strong argument for God from the internal of your body and your organs, ratios of hands to forearms, in plants, in stars.
This number and this ratio appears everywhere in nature.
So it's not at all unthinkable that in nature and in history, God as well works through patterns that every 80 to 100 years, there's kind of a buildup, and people realize, especially Christian people that are Christian at their core, even if they apostatize for a time, Christian at their core that they come back to.
And that's, I think, the moment that we're in right now.
I think so.
I think something big is happening already.
We've seen it even in these past couple weeks, especially last week.
But I also think something big is going to happen.
And it's a hard time.
I want to, you know, maybe take a moment of silence for the nothing ever happens bros out there.
They had a good run.
They had a good run.
They had a good run for quite a while.
But the last few weeks is probably been pretty hard for the Nothing Ever Happens bros.
So maybe just a quick moment of silence for them.
All right.
Yeah, it's a good time to short the Nothing Ever Happens bros because things are happening.
And Charlie Kirk and his assassination is a really big deal.
We haven't had an assassination of a political figure of that stature.
Um, in what would you like it would probably be since JFK, yeah?
And you have to remember, a presidential candidate was almost assassinated at that point twice in 2024, just last year, something that again hadn't happened.
Reagan was shot, obviously.
That's not normal, that's not normal, yeah.
Those things happen occasionally, but not often, exactly.
It's been decades, and now they're happening like in kind of like a sequence, quicker, quicker kind of fashion, yeah.
And that's what happened.
So, Charlie Kirk died.
And some of you probably saw some of the images from it, but it sparked a number of protests all over the world.
So, Australia, this was not right when Charlie Kirk died, but this was actually about three to four weeks ago.
There was a very large rally against immigration.
This is one of the biggest things in Europe, especially.
People are saying, we didn't ask for this.
We didn't ask for these people to be dropped off at our shores, for our population to be replaced.
So, in Australia, in Britain, there was a huge rally.
Tommy Robinson led it.
It's called Unite the Kingdom.
It's tough to say how many people really were there.
He's saying 3 million, the press is saying about 100,000.
But from the images, from everything there, probably close to a million people, they were flying the British flag and, and this is awesome, it's in the thumbnail, and the cross.
So they were standing atop statues waving the cross for Christianity, for Britain's Christian heritage, but also their flag.
So it wasn't just, we need to get back to Christianity, and Christianity means letting in millions more immigrants.
They're saying, we have national sovereignty on this side.
And it's actually not in contradiction to, The Christian religion, which is our heritage.
I want to get into a stat right here, too.
You show this on the screen.
This is the rise of political parties or kind of the changes in political parties in Germany.
Now, Germany, their right wing would be probably still considered even far left by our standards.
Their right wing would be like our libertarians.
Their right wing.
In other words, very gay.
The president, because they have five political parties there.
The president of their most right wing is a lesbian woman.
So this is the AFD, the Alternative for Deutschland.
But take a look since 2021, they've doubled in growth while all the other parties have gone down.
So the farthest right party, which is not even that far right, but the one that might actually say, eh, immigration, I'm not so sure.
That one's growing a ton.
So, whether it's in Britain, whether it's in Australia, whether it's in Germany, whether it's most certainly here in the US, I mean, Donald Trump campaigned on and won, and now he needs to follow through on mass deportations.
That was the biggest issue.
Like the economy, sure, that was in there.
The biggest issue was there are millions and millions of people that are here, and millions of people, hundreds of millions, came out and said, and we want them to go back.
And so, all over the world, especially last couple of years, I mean, this is just, I mean, that chart's in three years.
That's since COVID.
So, if you remember lockdowns, then you remember when there were millions and millions of people who still didn't think this way.
Right.
Yep.
That's encouraging.
Things are happening.
You've got some more graphs.
Let's show them.
I do have some more.
Let's get into Christianity.
Okay.
This is the big one, and I think probably the most exciting one.
Christianity, especially in the United States, since Heart Cellar, fair enough, surprising enough, Christianity has been on the decline.
And it's been on decline.
It continued through the early 2000s.
You take a look at this chart from Pew Research.
You'll see that it went from about 78% of the United States, the percent of US adults identifying as Christian, 78% down to a low of 62%.
There was a little bit kind of a blip there.
It was 2019 to 2020.
There was a little bit of change in their methodology, but that was also COVID.
But right there, about 2021 to 2022, that was the moment the decline stopped.
And now, Christianity among all of the US, and this is also taking into account a lot of immigration.
Now, some of that immigration would be from South America, which generally identify as Catholic.
So, some of that, maybe it's a wash, call it a 50 50.
But a lot of immigration is, to be honest, from the third world and from the Middle East.
The Middle East is not sending hundreds of thousands of Christians to our shores.
India is not sending that.
Look around your neighborhood.
It's Pakistanis, it's Muslims, and Hindus.
Look around your neighborhood and then look around your church.
And you're like, I don't think these two quite match up.
So, in the face of a lot of immigration over these last couple of years here in the US, the decline of Christianity, at least the most substantially in 20 years.
Has stopped and it's actually reversed.
This was a pretty eye opening chart.
This was estimated adult conversions to Catholicism.
This, in many ways, is an indictment for Protestants.
Catholics are on, they're growing.
We just have to be honest.
You don't have to like it, but you got to be honest and say, yeah, this is what's happening.
Real quick, it says conversions.
So it's not counting just importing Catholics by importing people from South America.
Yep.
So it's not counting that.
It's not counting cradle Catholic counts, lots of births.
So again, you'll see from 2000, a pretty strong decline, decline in early 2000, and then especially 2006 through to 2012, and then a pretty decent decline in 2014, all the way again, this year that keeps coming up 2021, 2022.
Peak of wokeness, peak of Black Lives Matter, peak of COVID.
That's where people said enough.
That's where people woke up.
The climb is astronomical.
It's gone, went from about 50,000 probably conversions, adult conversions to Catholicism yearly.
50,000, it erased nearly two decades worth of losses.
So, for two decades, a steady decline.
And then, boom, erasing nearly all of them in the space of just into 2025, erasing nearly all of it in the space of three years.
I talked to friends that are Catholic.
It's standing room only.
You need to be there 20 minutes before Mass to get a space.
And I say this as a Protestant, I'm just recognizing the reality.
You're there 20 minutes before to get a space, it's standing room only.
The parishes themselves are like, we're too full.
We literally don't have room for all these people.
We don't have priests to manage all of them.
It's the U.S. and France, especially.
Where Catholicism is growing.
England is experiencing a revival as far as Christianity.
I don't want to play a video, and it's a little bit, they're charismatic and it's definitely kind of used to tug on the emotions.
But take a look at what's being proclaimed in the public square, and we can touch on Philippians and how Paul kind of talks about this after we show it.
When you seek revival, you will get performance.
But when you seek Jesus, you will get revival.
That's why we have this cross up right here.
The blood of Jesus has lost none of its power.
We want to speak Jesus.
We want to preach the cross.
We want to preach his blood.
We want to preach his death, his burial, his resurrection.
Repent of your sin.
Come to the foot of the cross.
Jesus has got the victory over Satan, darkness, and sin.
And we believe Jesus will be lifted high in this land once again.
Say amen.
If you weren't watching the video, so you're listening to this, what's kind of paired with it is the iconic imagery of London.
So you have Big Ben back there.
I think I saw some British flags flying.
So they're married together.
So it's a revival.
We're emphasizing Christianity.
But people are getting, wait, Christianity doesn't actually abolish the natural order.
Right.
That turning to Christianity for America, for Britain, or for Germany, wait, this doesn't actually destroy the distinctives of being British and being German.
I can be Christian and I can say, no more immigration.
For the next 50 years, I could be Christian.
I can say no to abortion.
And in fact, Christianity is actually the basis whereby I'm able to do that.
I think there is a global revival going on.
Now, unfortunately, the Gospel Coalition, hardest hit, it's, to be honest, it's in the West.
It is majority white individuals that are waking up.
White young men would be the quintessential description of who is most coming back.
When you say unfortunately, you mean for the Gospel Coalition.
Exactly.
We're pretty excited about that.
Right.
Because for so long, they banked on inner city missions.
They're like, well, the revival's here.
But yeah, it was all about.
I remember.
I remember being a part of Acts 29.
I remember, you know, being a young church planter.
It was all about urban church planting, urban missions, you know, and like, and it was, you know, all the speakers at the conference were guys who were black, you know, and saying, this is where the harvest is.
And it's like these were all people who voted for Democrats.
They all supported abortion, they all supported same sex marriage.
And they were coming to these churches because they didn't talk about it.
Did you see the recent?
There was a post, I think it was a tweet that went semi viral, and it was from some woman who I think is a politician or something like that.
Already not a good start, but some woman who's a politician who was, for I think, for several years, maybe even up to a decade, a member of Tim Keller's church in New York, in Manhattan.
And she said she was getting angry at people who were more conservative.
And she said, Well, you know, Tim Keller, my pastor, she said, I never knew.
She was like upset because it was after his death and things started coming out.
You know, people were saying Keller, you know, kind of sucked.
And, you know, and he kind of paved the way for a lot of this compromise, which is absolutely true.
And, you know, but then some people were trying to redeem him and say, you know, he was great, you know, and he was a stalwart for, you know, conservative traditional biblical principles, pro life and, you know, traditional marriage.
And so she was railing against that in her tweet by saying, you know, like basically defending Tim Keller being a liberal.
It was really funny because she's a liberal.
And she's like, well, I went to his church for, you know, for almost 10 years and I never, and here's the point she said, and I never heard him ever talk against abortion or same sex marriage.
Compromise And Modernity In Faith00:16:08
And I'm sitting here as somebody who is not a Timothy Keller appreciator saying, correct, correct.
So it's like you do these urban missions, you know, and these, you know, churches in the city for the city, right?
You can't ever be in the nation for the nation because that's racist, you know, but in the city and for the city.
And why is that not racist?
Well, because, you know, in the cities tend to be more diverse.
So you can be in the city for the city, but you can't be in the nation for the nation.
So it's all this urban city, you know, in the city for the city, you know, And to go rural, you need to bring the diversity with you, and you need to have a diverse church, of course.
Of course.
Bring the city with you.
Right.
So, exactly.
So, they're doing these urban church plans, and it's all about diversity as our greatest strength.
And they're saying, look at the harvest.
It's ripe, and look at the fruit that we're experiencing.
These people are coming to church.
And my response is, yeah, what people?
And I think we know what people.
I think the verdict has come back in.
We've had enough time to.
Be able to perform the autopsy and see what really killed the gospel centered, centered gospel in the city for the city movement, because it is killed, absolutely.
And I think what killed it was that there wasn't actually conversion.
There's a bunch of people who ended up attending these services and joining these churches, but they're just like that boss babe female politician who, for 10 years, now that Timothy Keller's dead and conservatives are trying to hold him up as a stalwart for traditional values.
She's actually arguing for her dead pastor, saying, Don't you dare slander him.
He was a lib.
I was there.
He was a lib.
He never spoke out against abortion and never spoke out against homosexuality.
He was wonderful.
And I just want to say, I agree with the boss, babe.
I think she's actually right.
I think that's how those churches grew.
They grew by winsomeness, they grew by cowardice, they grew by intentionally, not just by a mishap or negligence, but by design, avoiding.
Every single biblical virtue adds it applied to politics and culture.
And so that's what we're coming off of, I would say, anywhere from 15 to 20 years of that kind of in the city, for the city, gospel centered, centered gospel that never talks about the law of God.
And certainly, if it does, it may apply it to personal sin.
You have sin and you need to repent, but never would apply the law of God to society, never to politics, never to the culture.
And that's pretty much done.
So, all that back to young white men.
Young white men, I think there's a real harvest, not just that we would be able to deceive them and bolster our church attendance numbers for a decade or maybe a decade and a half, where we're just coddling them and they join us without ever being converted.
You're bringing them in to Super Bowl Sunday events or bringing them to the movies.
Yeah, I mean, all these things that people did, like church at the movies.
So, some of you that's foreign, you've never heard of it, God bless you.
Some of you know what I'm talking about.
That was a real thing.
Churches all over America doing a four week or six week or eight week series where they call it church at the movies.
They would have popcorn machines, cotton candy, and refreshments in the sanctuary.
And they would play clips from a major Hollywood movie.
And then in between the clips, the pastor would come forward and have a scripted five minute intermission between each clip where he would give some commentary and how this Jewish perverse movie is really a picture of the gospel, blah, blah, blah.
And that's what the Gospel Coalition did.
I mean, the Gospel Coalition recently, I think even in the last year, wrote an article about.
You know, about Taylor Swift being a picture of the gospel.
Oh, yeah.
Like, so that's what we're coming off of.
Whereas young white men are actually disenfranchised, right?
BLM was a lie, it was always a lie.
But there actually is a sector of our population that really has been disenfranchised, that has been blamed for every problem that they had no part in.
They weren't even born when these problems came about.
Frighteningly conservative, which I appreciate.
But for most people, I mean, you find a young white man under the age of 25 and he is alarmingly far right.
They are not respecters of our greatest ally.
They do not like abortion.
They do not like feminism.
They do not like Zionism.
They do not like gay race communism.
They do not like immigration.
They do not like globalism.
They do not like any of these things.
And they are standing against it.
And a lot of them are waking up and saying, I need a basis.
I need a foundation, right?
I know what I'm against and I know what I'm fighting for, but I need a reason for why.
I need the religious piece.
For instance, I'll share this.
I don't think it needs to be private.
There's nothing that needs to be hidden, but I just had a phone call yesterday with Jake Shields, and he's not really religious, but he's agnostic.
He's not an atheist.
And so he's like, I believe in God.
I know there has to be a God.
And part of the reason people are coming to God right now is they believe there must be a God because they dang sure believe that there's a devil.
I've seen too much wickedness in the world to disbelieve in a devil.
And if the devil is real, then God must be real too.
And so guys like Jake Shields, that's kind of where they're at.
And so they're open and believe that there's a God and they're fighting against a lot of the Things that the Bible actually stands against, but they don't have a religious background.
They didn't grow up in church.
Or they did and they left it.
Or they did and they left it because the church was against them.
Right.
And so a lot of these guys are reaching out and I'm having conversations with them and probably in the works of doing something with Jake Shields and providing some of the religious, distinctly Christian reasons behind some of the things that he's fighting for.
And so I think that there really is an opportunity for revival and not just something that could happen, but something that is happening.
You're absolutely right.
There's a massive upswing for Catholicism and also Eastern Orthodoxy, it's just smaller to begin with than Catholicism.
But the Ortho Bros are growing, the Catholics are certainly growing and not just importing, but with conversion.
And then Christianity as a whole, for the first time in decades, as we saw on that graph earlier, is beginning to reverse the trend of decline.
And that is absolutely significant.
I will say, though, and you mentioned it in passing.
But it is an indictment on the Protestant church.
A lot of people are turning to Christianity, but they are choosing Catholicism over Protestantism.
And there's a reason for that.
And the reason is that Protestants are gay and that Protestants have, you know, I mean, Protestants are, they worship women, they worship blacks, and they worship Jews.
They do.
Protestants are insufferably Zionist.
They are.
And here's the deal.
People have been giving me grief within my tribe, the Reformed Protestant tribe, and saying, Well, I don't like that you've said some positive things about Catholics recently.
It's like, I'm not Catholic and I don't plan on being Catholic.
I am a Protestant and I am Reformed, even though sometimes I'm a little bit embarrassed.
But the Reformed camp, it's rough right now.
The Reformed tradition, that's my home and it always will be.
I believe that.
That historic Protestant Reformed doctrine is the most biblically faithful and accurate framework for presenting the unadulterated gospel of Jesus Christ.
That's my belief.
And so I'm Reformed.
That said, Reformed guys have been giving me grief about Catholics and saying, well, Joel, you know, they're heretics and this, that, and the other.
And this is what I would say.
And I think it's important to break this down.
When it comes to Catholicism, I have met many Catholics.
That you ask them point blank, right?
You kind of push them into a corner.
You're interrogating a little bit.
You're prodding.
You're asking.
And you say, Why will you go to heaven?
Why are you saved?
What is the source of your confidence?
What's the source of your assurance?
And they say, Jesus, the Son of God, born of the Virgin Mary, lived a sinless life.
He died a substitutionary death.
He died in my place, the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.
And God raised him from the dead bodily on the third day, and he ascended to the right hand of the Father and will one day return again.
They believe that.
Now, do they, in addition to that, do some Catholics agree with other things, right?
Agree with Vatican II, agree with certain aspects of Trent, agree with.
Are there other heresies?
And I do believe that heresy is the proper.
I believe that the Catholic Church is in grave error.
I do not believe that all Catholics.
Are in error.
Let me say that again.
I believe the Catholic Church in its doctrine on the books is in grave error and that the Catholic Church must repent.
And just for the record, we've said this before, I'll say it again.
That is our heart for Rome.
Our heart for Rome is not that it would be utterly removed, but rather that it would be restored, that the Reformation actually would eventually be successful.
And that what Luther himself wanted, right, the reforming of Rome, He didn't want to start his own thing.
He had to because they sent him away for fear of his life.
They said no.
Our prayer is that one day Rome would come back and say yes and that they would repent of their errors.
In the meantime, that's speaking of Catholicism on the books.
That's speaking of Catholicism as an institution.
That's speaking of some of the leaders of Catholicism, speaking of the Pope, cardinals, bishops.
That is not your run of the mill average American Catholic.
Your average American Catholic.
Who just sits in the pews is, in many ways, without even realizing it, Protestantized.
Catholicism, one of the things that it does when it comes into a nation is it syncretizes.
So, look at Haiti, for example.
Haiti is on the same island, the same landmass, but it's very distinct from the DR, the Dominican Republic.
The Dominican Republic was ultimately catechized and colonized by Protestants, by the Reformation, and it has its problems, but not nearly like Haiti does.
Haiti was colonized by Catholics.
And one of the things that Catholicism tends to do is syncretize with whatever was previously there.
And so, what you find in Haiti is this weird mixture of Catholicism with what used to be their national religion before Catholicism showed up, namely voodoo.
So, you find a highly superstitious, weird, kind of witchy, voodoo ish slash Catholicism.
And it's not great.
Not great.
Big problems there.
That said, on the bright side, as it pertains to our country, these United States of America, you know, wasps were a thing and are still barely a thing.
America was distinctly, the Catholics will admit this, everybody knows this, it's undeniable.
America was distinctly Protestant.
It was Anglo Protestant.
Yes, there were Germans and then eventually Irish and then eventually Italians, but in its origin, America was a British and Anglo and distinctly Protestant.
And so, what Catholicism has done as it's grown in America is, I think, in many ways, it is syncretized with Protestantism.
And so, your average Catholic, I'm not speaking necessarily about the bishop, but your average Catholic who simply attends Mass is more Protestant than we probably give them credit for, and probably holds not just, of course, they would agree with conservative Protestants on culture and many political things, right?
Like the sanctity of life and traditional marriage.
But even doctrinally, although I admit it's surprising, even doctrinally, the average Catholic attendee in America is far more Protestant than I think a lot of Protestants realize.
So, all that being said, if we looked at Catholicism in America as a whole, American, I'm sorry, Catholics, Catholicism in America.
So, Catholics, if we look at the average Catholic in America, I do believe that despite some of the errors on the books institutionalized, With Catholicism, that individual Catholics, I believe that there are a great many Catholics in the Catholic Church in America that are actually regenerate.
Now, I believe it's despite Catholicism.
I believe it's because of Catholicism, a Catholicism in the sense that a Catholicism and Protestantism holds a lot in common.
And so, insofar as things are true, then it's to the benefit of that truth.
Insofar as things may be in error, and there are errors, And I think not because of those errors, but despite those errors, by the grace of God, and because Catholicism in America has syncretized with Protestantism and has done so for quite a while, your average Catholic in the pews has a lot more in common than you would think.
And I believe not all, but a great many of them are regenerate.
Now, real quick, to finish the thought, let's talk about Protestants.
You have to realize this, guys.
Mainline, let's start with the mainline.
Mainline Protestantism, United Methodists, gay.
Catholics are.
United Methodists, PCUSA, General Baptist.
There's all these Episcopalian, Lutheran, Lutheran, some Anglican.
So, every mainline Protestant denomination in America is gay.
The historic ones, pretty much.
Those that were not splinters that left during the progressive, that's right, the 1900s.
That's right.
All of those are fully gay.
They're gay.
They're gay affirming.
They have female pastors.
Many of them deny substitutionary atonement, they deny the wrath of God.
They're literally changing worship songs where it says, the wrath of God was satisfied.
They'll say, the love of God was magnified, right?
Because they don't want to talk about.
God being wrathful or pouring out his wrath for sin on Jesus as a substitute.
So they would hold to the moral influence model of the atonement.
So why did Jesus die?
As the Lamb of God to take away the sins of the world, he died in my place for my sin, and the Father poured out his wrath on the Son because of his holiness and therefore justice and hatred of my sin, and Jesus paid the price.
No, he died for my sin because he was setting a moral example of sacrificial love for the world, an example.
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That I'm meant to emulate.
And it was just a picture of sacrificial love.
That's the purpose of the cross rather than substitutionary atonement.
That is the view of many mainline Protestant denominations.
So that's the mainlines, which represents, I would argue, that probably represents anywhere from 20 to 30% of Protestants in America.
Here's another one that I think represents probably 50% or 60% or even close to 70% of Protestants in America.
The.
The factory default setting, fog machine, laser light megachurches.
Church of the Movies, like you just mentioned.
Right, right.
We don't want to admit it, but when you look at Protestants as a whole, right, so we pick on the Catholics, that's fine.
We say, well, okay, Joel, I admit that Catholicism is an error, but Catholics, individual Catholics, that yes, some of them are regenerate.
And I would ask, how many?
And I would be willing to bet that it's not just 10%.
Right, but that there's actually a sizable portion of regenerate Catholics again, despite Catholicism in the points where it errs here in the United States.
Okay, but let's talk about Protestants 30%, 20, 30% mainline are heretical.
You say with Catholic churches, heretical 30 to 40 percent, 20 to 30 percent of the mainline Protestant denominations are heretical.
Okay, now when we talk about the mega churches, your non denominational that's Protestants that makes up a massive.
Amount.
That's your John Hagee's, that's your Kenneth Copeland's, that's your Joel Osteen's, that's your Joyce Myers.
They teach the prosperity gospel.
They are also heretical.
They are heretical.
And many of the people in those churches, some may be regenerate, just like Catholicism, but many are not.
And so you have your mainline denominations, 20, 30%.
Then you have another 50, 60% of your mega church, non denominational Joel Osteen, TD Jakes type churches that preach damnable heresies.
And then When you get done with all of that, you have some, not many, but some more historic Reformed Protestant churches.
I'm thinking of, you know, the PCA.
I'm thinking of the OPC.
I'm thinking of some Reformed Baptists.
I'm thinking of some Anglicans.
And then you have some that are middle of the road normie.
They're not really robust, but they're also not heretical.
I'm thinking of about, in that case, probably a more sizable portion of, for instance, the SBC.
That would be maybe your 60 to 80% of the SBC, which is large.
But if you broke it down by individual churches, what percentage of Protestant churches, from the non denominational megachurches to the mainline denominations, what percentage of Protestant churches in America today are heretical?
They are regularly preaching heresy from the pulpit.
I would say probably about 70, 80, all the way up to 85%.
Are heretical.
And then, if we looked at not Catholic churches now, so I understand it's not apples to apples, it's apples to oranges, but Catholic individuals in America, how many of them actually, you know, they're like, yes, I am Catholic and it's the Council of Trent that won me over and I hold to it fiercely?
Not a lot.
Most Catholics are like, I want Jesus, I want to worship Jesus.
I want to return to something because we're destroyed by progressivism and modernity and relativism's subjectivity.
I want to return to something that's old, traditional, tried, true, objective.
And so I visited my Catholic parish and I'm going to the Catholic church.
Do you worship Mary and believe that she's sinless?
Not really.
I don't think so.
But they also talk about Jesus.
And I believe that Jesus is the Savior of the world.
And so, if you looked at it like that, that's what I'm trying to get to if you looked at it in terms of just sheer numbers of people, there very well may be as many regenerate Catholics, individual Catholics in America, as there are Protestants.
Like, in terms of percentage of all Protestants and percentage of all Catholics, the percentages actually may be far more comparable.
Than we're willing to admit.
And that doesn't mean that we don't still maintain our serious theological distinctions with Rome.
But what it does mean is that I believe culturally and politically that Catholics can be co belligerents as we fight cultural and political issues.
And it also means that when it comes to Protestants, back to that graph, there is a reversal from the decline of Christianity.
There's a reversal right now, and a lot of it is going to Catholicism.
And when you Try to account for the answer why.
I really don't believe that it's just, you know, so many people, they just have been genuinely persuaded of the intellectual propositions of Mary being a co redemptrix with her son Jesus and the Immaculate Conception, not speaking of Christ, but her and her birth and her being sinless.
And these guys.
On the fence until the Marian dogmas, the last two especially, that came out recently.
And then when I heard that, man, that just really won me over.
And so I, you know, I returned.
That's my come to Mary moment.
Right.
I don't think that's it.
I think it's people are having a come to Jesus moment and they're looking for a church in town and they don't want to go to the fake and gay one that tends to be Protestant.
So they're like, I want to return to tradition.
That's why I'm returning to church because it's traditional, it's old, it's historic.
And so I'm going to return to that.
And no, I'm not going to go to your Protestant church where the pastor is Sister Sally.
You know?
And so I think that that is a major.
Part for us, we have new people who are coming to our church all the time because even though we're not Catholic, it still feels old, it feels tried, it feels true.
We're not singing Jesus as my boyfriend love songs.
We're a cappella in our worship through song.
We are singing exclusively Psalms and hymns put to meter.
We have a liturgical service.
There is the Apostles' Creed recited.
There's confession, corporate confession of sin and assurance of pardon, expository preaching through books of the Bible.
And people are returning to that and they want that.
People are hungry, and especially young men, and especially young white men, having been.
Had their lives destroyed by modernity, they want to return to tradition and they're returning to the church.
And the modern feminist Zionist churches are not going to attract them, but those that feel tried and true and traditional will.
And the reality is that the Catholic Church feels that way.
Now, there are, I understand, there are some individual parishes with a bishop or a priest who actually is fairly liberal.
But the feel of Catholicism, because it's streamlined, right?
It's not like Protestantism.
You don't get to do just whatever you want because it's streamlined and they actually have a system, a hierarchy in place.
Even those liberal parishes with a liberal priest, even those, the liturgy, the order of service, the building, you know, from all the way down, it feels traditional.
It doesn't feel modern.
And that is attracting people.
And for Protestants, I think churches like ours that are more traditional and conservative are also attracting people.
But overall, we just have to admit and call a spade a spade.
Churches like ours maybe, maybe represent 10% of Protestantism.
That's incredibly generous, too.
That's very generous.
And so, why is there this bolster with Catholicism in a way that there's not as much with Protestantism?
Because if you go to your local parish in town, Catholic church, even if the priest has personally some liberal inclinations, What you will find is a traditional liturgy, a traditional order of service.
You'll find something old.
If you go to, if you're just.
Find a man in the pulpit?
Right.
A man.
A man giving the homily.
That's right.
A man giving the homily.
If you go to, if you're just picking at random, just laws of average, a Protestant church in town, there's a good chance you're going to find Sister Sally.
And you're going to see a rock concert with a fog machine and laser lights and an 18 minute TED talk.
About your feelings.
Probably an Israel flag.
It's the United States.
It's Israel flanking the stage.
No, that's right.
And you're going to hear about Israel and how, you know, you, young white man, you were born to die for Israel.
Buckle up.
We're going to do everything we can to start this next war.
And we're sending your boots on the ground.
That's where we're at right now.
And so, yeah, I'm hopeful.
I am hopeful in many ways.
And we're going to talk about that here in just a moment in our next segment.
But I wanted to take some time and break down this return in Christianity, which is really good, and account for why a large portion of that, that we need to admit as Protestants, in this overall return to Christianity, a large portion that is a return to Catholicism over and against Protestantism.
And I think it's precisely for the reasons I've just mentioned.
I'll close with this, then we'll get into some of the other stuff.
But you would think, what prophet, what pastor, what priest, who would ever be mad that a revival is going on?
That's all throughout the Bible.
Jonah?
Jonah is furious when Nineveh repents.
You've said this before, and you've preached through the book.
He preaches half a sermon.
He doesn't even include the part that they can repent, goes outside of the city, gets himself some shade, and is like, please let them not take God up on the offer.
Jonah's furious.
When Jesus comes and does his ministry, the Sadducees, the Pharisees, they're furious.
The tax collectors, the sinners, the downtrodden, they're furious that they're coming to Christ.
Same thing when the Holy Spirit is poured out and you have the Gentiles being grafted into the church.
There's again apostles and Jews, they're furious that they're coming in.
Again and again, God will start a revival.
And it'll be, oh, but we really, really wanted it to be these people.
Or these people are coming, but to be honest, they're kind of icky.
And these young and white men, they're a little rough around the edges.
Their language isn't perfect.
And so you have the theme again and again that God starts a revival, but the people are coming are not those who the religious elite want to see.
You have Matt Chandler, like, I would literally hire a less qualified black man.
Please just bring these people in and these people in.
Not just the white men.
Rest assured, congregation, I will ensure.
That your shepherding, the shepherding of your souls, is not as good as it could be in order to meet a diversity higher quota.
Right.
I mean, that's literally what he said.
So, no, that's a great point that you raised.
In the case of Jonah, it's the Assyrians, right?
That's Nineveh, which was one of the capital cities, five capital cities in Assyria, and the Israelites hated the Assyrians.
And so, this idea that God would send revival and produce repentance in their hearts.
Was scandalous, right?
In the case of Christ, you know, it's adulterers, right?
It's the poor, it's tax collectors, right?
Who were traitors who had turned against their nation, you know, at least that was the optic of that time.
Or zealots also, you know, he had tax collectors like Matthew among his 12, and then he also had zealots, you know, and these were those who were marginalized.
They were on the fringes, and the well to do people who loved the chief seats, right?
These Jewish leaders.
They hated seeing this Klein tale coming to Christ.
And so I do think that there is revival happening now, and I think it's going to increase substantially.
I'm very, very bullish on God sending revival.
But I think that revival is actually not in urban cities, it's not among the coastal elites, it's not with the guys who were linking arms with you at the George Floyd rally.
I think that the revival, the real revival that God is sending, is in flyover country.
I think it's on farms.
I think it's in rural places.
I think it's young families.
It's Billy Bob.
It's those guys that God is working on their hearts.
And they're the ones who actually are marginalized.
That's what we heard for the longest time is that, well, Jesus came for the tax collectors and widows and orphans.
And that's, who is that?
Well, that's BLM Marxist.
No, it's not.
No, they're the Pharisees.
No, the actual ostracized people in our nation today are not immigrants invading.
They're not black people committing crime.
Not all black people are doing that, but those who are.
They're not female boss babes and coastal elites.
The actual marginalized people in our nation today.
Predominantly, they are young white men.
They have been hated and passed over for every job opportunity, every promotion.
Many of them will never be able to own a home.
They are the disenfranchised.
They're the ones who have been deracinated from their own inheritance.
And they're the ones who have had enough and who are coming to Jesus for solutions.
So let's go to a commercial break and we will be right back.
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Well, one thing that you noticed we had the thumbnail, we said nationalism rising, a global revival, and the last part was a type of Western solidarity, that these are the things that are.
Kind of marking this fourth turning as we hit the crisis point.
We'll get to predictions here in a minute.
What do we think will happen?
But there does need to be a sense.
I mentioned Britain, I mentioned Australia, New Zealand, Germany, a sense in which the Western nations view themselves as kind of in this together.
I think of free of my own ancestry.
I have ancestors that were from Britain and from Germany, and probably in many ways I have relatives that are still there.
Hopefully they're in those marches.
Hopefully they're patriotic.
But there's a sense in which the struggle that I share that struggle in somewhat of a sense.
We're American, the American colonies were ultimately colonies of Britain, they were a British colonial expansion.
So the struggle that's happening over there.
In many ways, also, too, there's something to say, hey, we should, Aaron McIntyre jokes about it as a moderate position.
We should arm the British rebels that are rebelling against their government over there in the UK because they have it actually a lot worse than we do.
And within that, so you have Western solidarity, Western nations together saying, we have to say no to immigration.
We have to say no to Muslim immigration.
We have to say no to replacing Christianity as our core religion.
And also within that, there does need to be a sense, and the word can sound icky, but we need to be honest about it.
Of white solidarity.
Whites went from about 36% of the world in the mid 1900s to about 8%.
White people are a global minority.
And in that, we have to say, hey, there's certain things that we collectively, now, of course, there's national duties that you have, there's familial duties that you have, Christian duties that you have.
But one of those would be to say, and also in a sense, of my ancestors, of people I'm related to, I care about them and their struggle.
And we haven't won this if, well, sure, I survive.
But ultimately, what my nation has is a complete erosion of our Western values, our Christian values.
You said it before that if America became.
And Western people.
And Western people.
Go ahead.
I was going to say if America became, was only 5% white, but it had all these other things, it was safe, this, that, or the other.
We did it.
We saved America.
Nope.
Well, no, you didn't in a way.
The people that used to live here are gone.
They've been destroyed.
You lost America.
America is the people, it's people and place.
We've argued this a nation is more than simply people and place.
But it's never less.
So we would say, you know, land and lineage, right?
That's soil and blood.
Oh, you know, like it's place and people.
That's part of what a nation is.
It doesn't matter what rhetoric or words you choose.
That's just a fact.
It's people and place, blood and soil, land and lineage.
But in addition to that, land, lineage, language, that's part of it.
Laws, right?
Customs and laws, that's part of it.
Liturgy, worship, right?
That's part of it.
And loves, that's your virtues and values and traditions.
So, land, lineage, language, laws, liturgy, worship, and loves.
And so, if America in 2050 has liturgy, right, it's Christian, let's say it's 90% Christian, like it once was, not that long ago.
But let's say America is 90% Christian in 2050, but it is 15% white.
That's a tragedy.
You lost America.
The founders told us who they were bleeding and sweating and dying for blood, sweat, and tears for us and our posterity.
It's not for India.
It's not for Pakistan.
They were doing it for their children's children's children.
They were doing it for their descendants.
And so I want America to be Christian.
Absolutely.
Nevertheless, nevertheless.
But I also do want America to look like historical America.
That doesn't mean that we don't have some people here that are not necessarily of Anglo descent.
I mean, at this point in time, it's nearly impossible to turn back the clock, right?
We have all kinds of people who are a part of America.
But some of those people really have a heritage here, and some of them don't.
I think of certain Hispanics.
There are some Mexicans who were born in Mexico and moved to the United States in the last five years.
You need to leave.
It's not your home.
You need to get out of here.
But I love America.
Yeah, the whole world loves America.
I understand that.
Everybody, I mean, there are people who say deaths in America, but the whole world would love to live here.
The whole world hates white people, but they all demand the right to live next to us.
Have you noticed that?
Everybody hates white people, but they also want to live right next to the white people.
I find that very interesting.
So, you got here 15 minutes ago, you need to go home.
There are other Hispanics, however, who literally participated in fighting for Texas and its independence, who fought at the Alamo.
So, they're Hispanic.
Some of them speak Spanish, some of them don't.
Most of them do.
But they are third, fourth, fifth generation living in the Civil War.
They fought in the Civil War.
You're not going to find Muhammad in the registry.
Right.
But you'll find Jose.
But you'll find Jose.
That's right.
So they have fought in our wars.
They have been here for generations.
So I'm not talking about those people.
God bless them.
Right.
They are a part of America.
The Italians, they were insufferable for a long time.
Right.
Were?
They're sometimes still insufferable.
We tolerate them because of the food that they brought.
Right.
But we do have the recipes now.
We know how to make pizza.
But the Italians, that was rough, man, because America was Protestant.
The Italians were Catholic.
They came in and they kind of tended to gravitate towards the honorable profession of being mob bosses and selling drugs and being bookies.
And the Italians, they kind of sucked.
But it was a long time ago.
And eventually they assimilated and they grafted in.
And they still maintain some of the Italian distinctives, but they are.
In every way that matters, American, those who have been here for generations.
And likewise, they share in our customs.
They celebrate Thanksgiving.
They celebrate Christmas.
Many of them have fought in some of our wars.
And you think of the Irish.
So there's different people.
Or you think of even Blacks.
When I think of Clarence Thomas, right?
Clarence Thomas, his ancestry has been here a long time.
And Clarence Thomas, God bless him, he's doing a lot of good.
He's probably the best Supreme Court justice that we currently have.
Yeah, he is.
And he's been an immense blessing.
And culturally speaking, I believe that he is in many ways an Anglo Protestant.
It's like, well, wait a second.
The dude's black.
He's not Anglo.
And isn't he Catholic and not Protestant?
He's Catholic, though.
But he imbibes very much an Anglo Protestant spirit and not one that you can just step on the soil, the magical soil, and recant the magical words and imbibe that in 15 minutes.
But no, I mean, it's in his blood and has been for generations because he's been here.
Now, that said, for blacks who are criminal or violent, you know, if they've been here for generations, the solution, as I see it, is not, you know, that so and so has to go back.
I think the solution is so and so has to go to jail, make prisons great again.
And if we have a strict rule of law and the death penalty for those that are, you know, committing capital offenses, murder, those kinds of things, And we have swift, proportional, just justice in the land, then that will solve 90% of the problems.
And you will see criminals, whether they're red and yellow, black and white, you'll see them in prison.
Will it be disproportionate?
You betcha.
You betcha.
The statistics are disproportionate.
You will see per capita more blacks, significantly more blacks in jail than whites.
That's simply a fact.
That's not debatable.
But for those who have been here, right, they are American.
But there's a ton of people who are not.
Ilhan Omar, Not only is she here, not only has she gained citizenship, she is ruling over heritage Americans.
Over men, first of all.
Over men as a woman.
Over men.
Right.
And then over Americans as a foreigner.
That is absolutely insane.
The Bible describes that as a curse.
It's a curse.
So, Ilhan Omar, absolutely, she should be deported.
She has to go back.
This is not her home.
This is not her country.
Right.
It's like, well, an American, I'm an American citizen.
Silence.
A real American is speaking, right?
Paperwork American citizens.
Well, I'm an American citizen.
No, you're a paperwork American that only exists because of wicked rulers that chose to compromise and do things that were unjust.
You are not an American.
Ilan Omar will never be an American.
Never, ever.
She was born in a foreign country.
Her allegiance, she has explicitly said, is to that other country, not to America.
She cheated the system even to gain her citizenship by marrying her brother, which is a very Somalian thing to do, I might add.
No, she has to go back.
So it's a very moderate position.
All we're asking is 100 million have to go back.
And that's a real number 100 million have to go back.
Many, many, many others have to go to jail.
That will be disproportionate based off of race.
Everyone's not the same.
People are different.
White criminals have to go to jail.
Black criminals have to go to jail, and per capita, there will be more blacks in jail than whites.
So 100 million have to go back.
Criminals have to go to jail, and we have to stop calling it racist.
It is what it is.
And women have to stop being allowed to vote.
That's for dang sure.
And by God, we'll have our home again.
We can have a country.
These things, and you hear these things, and we've been talking about these things for almost two years now.
You hear these things, and you think that'll never happen.
So here's the next part of the episode.
I've got great news for you.
Here's the white pill.
For those who think that will never happen, that has happened.
It has happened many times throughout history.
And when it happens, it happens quickly.
Yeah.
Wes, you want to pick it up?
I was just going to say one last piece on white solidarity because we didn't get to it.
Oh, yeah.
The Charlotte Kirk thing.
But with the girl that was stabbed in the train at this point close to a month ago, Irena, she was Ukrainian.
So we're not going to bend the rules here.
She was not an American either.
She was born in Ukraine, she was a refugee from the war.
And she was killed for being white.
The killer on the way out of the train said, I got that white girl.
And we all felt there wasn't a like, well, actually, she wasn't American or she was this or that.
No, she was white and she was killed for being white.
So within America and Britain, every white person saw that woman, even though she's Ukrainian, and even though she had a BLM flag in her dorm room, and there's pictures of it, which, good grief, that's an irony.
But in that moment, we're not teasing her.
We're not picking on her for the BLM flag, which she shouldn't have had.
It's retarded.
And we're also not picking on her for being an immigrant and being a Ukrainian who really does not have a business being in our country.
In that moment, we saw a white woman who looks like my wife, who looks like my mother when she was younger, who looks like my daughters will look like when they're grown.
Sam High did a great job.
He said, This is you.
And he showed a picture of Charlie Kirk.
He said, This is your wife, your mother, your daughter.
And he showed a picture of Irena.
And in that moment, That was powerful.
And we did an episode on it, and I got tons of flack for that.
Got like, they clipped me out, right wing watch clipped me out, got like, I think it got like six or seven million views just on right wing watch.
It got 1.7.
But then other big accounts picked it up, Scott Adams and others.
But that was a moment that I, you know, I decided I'm going to step out.
I'm going to be bold here.
I'm going to talk about the FBI statistics.
I'm going to be real because it was a moment to capitalize on something that we have not had in a very long time.
White people are the only people.
Who don't have an in group preference?
You have to be aware of that.
Every other group of people in our country, they have a solidarity, they have a unity, they have an understanding of in group and out group, and they have a preference for their group.
White people are the only people whose preference is actually everyone outside of themselves.
And the people that they hate the most is themselves.
White people.
Are quite literally, and the way they behave politically, culturally, at every level, white people are suicidal.
White Westerners are committing suicide against themselves.
And so, when there are moments, I got that white girl as she's bleeding out on the floor of a subway.
Those are important moments for us to come out and say, guys, they hate Christians.
There's no doubt about that.
There is a spiritual war between light and darkness.
There is a spiritual war.
There is a hatred, a war on Christians.
But there is also a war against white people.
There is.
And that's not the same war.
These are two distinct wars.
They hate white people, whether they're Christian or not.
They hate Christians also.
But if it's just a war on Christianity, then what about Ethiopia?
How come, you know, like it's not just a war on Christianity, it's a war on white Christians.
And we have to come.
To terms with that.
So that was a powerful moment, you know, for a few days before Charlie Kirk, another powerful moment, everything happening quickly.
It is, I think, the turning of the tide right now.
But that is, I think, also vital.
You're right, Wes.
It's vital, I think, for the West and its survival and its restoration.
There has to be spiritually a revival, a return to Christ.
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There also has to be a heritage solidarity.
These are my people.
These are my people and strangers.
And foreigners are not a part of this.
This is not their heritage.
I don't hate you, but you have to go home.
This is not your home.
This is not your heritage.
Our fathers built this for us.
And it's actually a breach of the fifth commandment to honor thy father and mother, to take the inheritance that your fathers were willing to bleed and sweat and die for, that they gave to you graciously, and to slap your fathers in the face by taking their inheritance and giving it away.
That's actually rebellion, and God will not bless it.
God has not blessed globalism.
He has not blessed diversity.
He has not blessed the West and its insistence on committing societal suicide.
Nope.
So, what's going to happen the next couple of years?
The whole theme of this is the fourth turning.
So, the final point after you have a good period of time, then you begin to have erosion of trust in institutions, a general unrest leading to crisis.
And in all the historical examples, the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, and World War II, they ended in.
A war.
Now, the war was quick.
And my point in kind of this is you didn't have 50 years of war, for example, in the Civil War.
It wasn't a long, drawn out decade's worth of war.
You've had some of that historically in the past.
But at least for this one, I think of, for example, the 40 years war after the, the 30 years war after the Reformation.
But at least so far in American history, they haven't been long.
But they have been brief and they have been violent.
And I don't know about you.
We were talking about this before we started the episode.
I don't kind of see this cold civil war, right?
The left trying to assassinate a presidential candidate, the left killing.
A Christian man for speaking out on campus, the left doing this, the left using warfare like they did with January 6th.
I don't see the tit for tat going on until 2050.
And that's what you kind of have to get is all of this that's happening.
I don't think this is actually what we're going to all experience.
If you're a millennial, you're in your 30s.
So by God's grace, you have 40 more years of life left.
It's all you've ever known.
So I understand why you might think, well, I've known it for the last 20 years.
And so this is what will continue for the next 30 years.
But, Wes, you're absolutely right.
It won't continue because it can't.
Right.
It's actually not viable.
It's literally impossible.
So we're not good.
You're right.
We're not going to just ride all the way up to 2050 for the next two and a half decades with just things, the status quo, things being what they've been.
Something will give.
Right.
Just think of, for example, this year.
So Trump gets inaugurated January 20th.
I mean, how much I can even see in myself, how much I've even changed, been radicalized further, seven to eight months.
We have three more years of this with Trump.
And then comes a real test.
We've talked about our hesitancies with Vance.
He's for sure, at least at this point, the front runner.
Trump's not going to run again.
He's getting to the end of it.
So Vance is kind of the heir apparent.
But we have three more years that are probably in many ways going to be like the last eight months.
I think of the shooting of the United Healthcare CEO.
That was December 4th of last year.
That was another event that you just don't see.
The CEO of a huge healthcare company gunned down by a vigilante and tons of leftists and communists, especially on the far left.
Celebrating him.
You had, of course, Charlie Kirk, tons of people celebrating his death because he thought different than them politically.
So you have the increase in this violence.
You have people taking sides.
2028 to 2032, those are going to be the years.
If you have young children, if your children are under 10, I really think I could be wrong.
Those are the years that are going to determine the kind of world your children grow up in as adults and your grandchildren.
And you have now.
Two, three years, if by God's grace we're lucky, maybe more, but maybe less.
You have time, I think, to prepare for it.
I remember my uncle, God bless him, he's been a prepper for a good couple of decades, right?
You remember Y2K?
It was all like, all right, the computers, what's going to happen is they go from the 1900s into 2000s, they're going to crash.
We're going to lose our whole global economy.
The people were prepping and stashing away.
Churches were having meetings.
What do we do?
It turned out to be nothing.
I remember when Barack Obama got inaugurated into office, and it's like, socialism is here.
He's going to do all of this.
Well, he didn't.
But I think now the conditions are actually ripe for the unrest.
They're ripe for the tension.
They're ripe for, unfortunately, the violence.
The conditions are now, as we've seen, millions of people taking the streets, people furious about Charlie Kirk, political angst.
Now is actually the moment where enough of it is pent up that something actually could happen.
And so, you as a duty, especially to the fathers and to the husbands, you have a duty to be thinking in five years, this nation may look very, very different.
Now, by God's grace, that'll actually be political.
This has happened before.
Now, sometimes it's violent.
I think of the Spanish Revolution.
It took Franco about three years to defeat the communists.
Sometimes it is political, and that's actually, by God's grace, the best way.
There's minimal bloodshed, there's minimal loss of life, and the left actually rolls over and says, Yeah, we lost and they hightail out of town.
So that's the ideal.
But you need to prepare as if that's actually not going to happen.
2028 is going to be an incredible year, one way or the other.
It is going to be pivotal.
It is not politics as usual.
No.
Well, we had Reagan, we had Goldwater.
Who knows?
We'll see.
No.
The soul of the nation will be there.
And maybe even in the primaries, who's going to define the right wing movement going forward that's earlier in the year leading up to the general election?
Yeah.
And in that regard, I'm actually very hopeful.
I think we're going to see some really positive change that will shock many of us.
I mean, people are already saying, they're like, I never thought these kinds of conversations would be happening in our lifetime.
And they are.
So I think we will see quickly some very, very positive changes.
That said, I do think that it's going to get worse before it gets better.
So I'm praying by God's grace that it's not, you know, Bloody, that it's not war, like actual war, civil war.
But I don't personally think, if I had to bet that it will be, that it'll get to that level of a civil war.
But I do think that it's entirely possible that we will see an increase during those years where the left is just giving it everything they have to stay in power.
The left is violent, they are violent.
And so I could see.
A few years, it won't be 20 years, it's not going to go on that long, but I could see a few years here at the fourth turning, here at the bottom of the ninth, before there's this resolution, a few years that are hairy, that are really, really difficult, and where there's not an all out war, but where there are assassinations, and not just assassinations of those in positions that are significant in politics or whatever it might be,
but also just senseless crime.
I think it's really.
It's really symbolic, I think, in many ways, in God's providence that you have Charlie Kirk and Irena.
So you have, on the one hand, a political figure assassinated by the left.
And it was calculated and it was planned.
And you have that.
On the other hand, though, you have also a random white woman killed by a random black man for no reason other than the fact that she's white.
And I think that those two instances.
Will, I think, accurately kind of represent what we'll see.
We'll see just more of the senseless, violent crime.
We'll see more of that.
And we'll also see more of the targeted political assassinations with the organized, you know, left hoids, the transgender cells, which is real transgender cells.
Transgenderism, I really do believe.
LGBT, the T stands for terrorist.
It really does.
And sad when they're not, you know, assassinating, you know, political figures like Charlie Kirk, they're shooting children at a Christian school, you know.
So, but I think we will see more of that.
And so, as it pertains to the listener, I think that there's some really hopeful things around the corner.
And it could be three years, it could be eight years.
But I really think like three, two to five years, maybe three to eight years, in less than 10 years, we're going to see a big turnaround.
But I, I'm telling you, I'm not trying to just be vindicated or say I was right or nanny, nanny, boo, boo or rub it in.
I am actually pleading with you.
I'm pleading with you.
Please, Christian father, especially if you are white, if you have white children, you have to get out of the city now.
You cannot live in the city.
You have to get out.
You have to do whatever it takes, you have to sell your home.
You have to live somewhere safe because it is going to get worse.
That is my strong prediction.
That's what I believe.
I'm confident in that.
It is going to get worse before it gets better.
And it's not just going to be targeted assassinations from the left on political celebrities like Charlie Kirk.
It will be Irena.
It will be that random white girl.
I mean, what was the situation not that long ago where a black man? Shot a five year old boy on his little big one.
The case is actually four to five years old, but he did the magical incantation.
He called me that word.
Was there even proof that a five year old boy said that word?
No.
I don't believe it.
It's the same thing the killer of Arena said on the way out.
Well, she called me this.
So I was justified in doing that.
But yeah.
Yeah, I'm sure she called me out with her BLM flag in her dorm room.
No.
It's lies.
It's absolute lies.
It makes me angry.
So, but that's my point it's not just targeted assassinations for political celebrities.
It's the white girl on the train.
Yeah.
It's the white five year old boy on his bicycle in your neighborhood.
It is going to be pivotal where you live and who you live next to.
And I'm sorry.
I'm not trying to be rude, I'm not trying to stoke division.
I am trying to save the lives of Christians and the lives of heritage Americans.
I do not want your wife to bleed out on a subway.
I do not want your son to be shot in the head when he's riding his bicycle.
And so, no, you do not need to be living in diverse places.
You do not need to be living in urban places.
You need to abandon blue states.
You need to abandon blue cities.
You need to abandon even suburbs that are diverse, and you need to live somewhere that is private, ideally in a gated community.
I looked up a statistic the other day.
I know it's expensive, but even if it's buying two acres of land and building a gate yourself, that by having a gated driveway or being in a gated community, in terms of petty, senseless crime.
So, like if you're a political figure and it's a plot, you're being targeted, like a Charlie Kirk scenario.
Then, yeah, they're probably going to persist and find a way around that gate.
But an Irena scenario, she would be alive if she was not on that subway.
Right.
You cannot be riding a subway as a single white girl in a metropolitan context.
You can't do that.
You can't have your kids playing in the neighborhood if you live in an urban city context where all of your neighbors look not like you.
You can't do that.
And I think it's going to get worse before it gets better.
I think it's going to get way better, way better.
But it will not, we're not going to waltz in.
To regaining our home, right?
It's going to come, but it's going to come with some significant upheaval.
I am optimistic, though.
I do think on the other side of it is going to be a prosperity and peace that we all long for and that we didn't think possible.
That at the end of every one of these cycles, you had the war, and there's a type of psychological catharsis in it.
We went to war with Britain, and we said, get off here, get out.
And actually, then the times that followed it, the early 1800s, I mean, Andrew Jackson, they were good times.
Reconstruction, not as good for the South, but generally speaking, the late 1800s into the 1900s, Those were good times.
The baby boomers, I mean, again, they kind of ruined it for the rest of us.
But would I go back to the time when I could buy a home for twice my annual income?
Of course I would.
All those times came after a period of difficulty, but those really were good times.
They were.
And this time you can learn.
So you can say, oh, we've seen in the past.
We've seen what the awakenings did.
We saw what happened to these institutions.
Here's how we don't want to lose them this time.
But the only way, kind of out, the only way is through.
I'm going to stretch the scripture a little bit, even Malachi 4.
So, one of the promises when God says, I'm bringing judgment on Jerusalem.
So, He says, I'm going to come and visit you, the messenger of the covenant.
I'm going to bring fire upon the wicked.
And He says, But the righteous are going to go out skipping, and they're going to grow up like calves, and they're going to tread down the wicked.
So, at the end of judgment, over and over again in the Bible, the righteous are secure through it.
The righteous got out of Dodge.
The righteous got out of the city.
The righteous had the foresight to say, Nope, this is not the time to take that investment banking job in New York City.
We're going to live a little bit farther away.
And then judgment came, calamity upon the wicked.
And it was the righteous that were established and experienced the peace and prosperity that God loves for his people.
Right.
Amen.
Yeah, leave the cities for the wicked.
But for the righteous, you protect your wife and kids.
You get somewhere else.
You got to find safety.
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Yeah, but I agree.
I think that things are going to get worse before they get better.
But I think all this is going to happen quick.
I think it's going to happen fast in the next few years.
And so where you live today really, really matters.
But then once it happens, Things get worse, then they get better.
But the better that we're talking about is not just a return, you know, to the 90s, you know, or the early 2000s.
The better that we're predicting is like a lot better.
You look at, you know, after World War II, it was never again mentality.
And I am praying, and I believe as a Christian man, as a pastor, and I'm praying actively, God, I pray that you would produce repentance in the hearts of your people, that we could, with With clarity and conviction that we could declare never again to diversity, to immigration, to globalism, to Marxism, to communism, to leftism, to transgenderism,
that we could say never again, never again.
And like I already said earlier, I gave the disclaimers America is not going to be all white.
That's not what I'm talking about.
But I am talking about 100 million people going back.
I'm absolutely talking about that.
And then the people who remain, I'm talking about a strict rule of law.
That is a blessing to the righteous and a terror to the evildoer.
And that will affect, I believe, people based on race disproportionately, because that is the statistics.
I wish it wasn't.
I wish it wasn't.
But I think one of the ways to help, like for instance, the black community, is imagine this.
Think about it.
I think about this as a father.
I have five kids.
If I corrected and disciplined four of my children when they disobeyed, but then one of my children, I isolated them, intentionally chose no matter what they do, I will never correct them.
I will never discipline them.
They can be just beating the heck out of their siblings.
They can be a terror to their mother, shouting and being disrespectful.
But I will not only will I not discipline or correct, I will affirm.
If they're screaming, a five year old child screaming at their mother, I'll step into that scenario and I'll start screaming at their mother with them.
Say, it is your fault.
I can't believe, blah, blah, blah.
He's right.
He's like, if I did that as a father, what do you think would happen?
Four of my children would be well behaved, and one of them would be a brat, an absolute terror.
And when he grew up and actually was a full adult man, he would be a danger to society.
And that's what we have done in America.
We didn't always do that, but that's what we have done for about 20 years now.
For about 20 years, we have looked at certain demographics of America and said, Hey, it's not your fault.
You didn't do anything wrong.
In fact, you have been wronged.
You are a victim.
You have been oppressed.
If you're arrested 14 times, we'll let you back off again and again and again.
Oh, 14 chances for you, but only one chance for Irena.
She didn't get a second chance.
But the black man got 14.
And right now, he's in a mental health hospital to see if we'll give him 15 chances to get out from underground.
Even now, it's very probable he will not actually pay for his sins.
He will not pay for his crimes.
And so that's the sad reality.
But here's the deal.
So, how do you fix it?
You get rid of non Americans, you get rid of 100 million people, mass deportations.
Beyond that, for those who really are Americans, But that would include some who are of different race, and some of those races having been coddled for 20 years.
A strict rule of law, you get rid of many, and then you actually apply justice for those who remain.
And with just standards, here's the deal the black community, crime will go down.
It will.
It will.
If you enforce justice and Oh, somebody committed a murder and they're hung on national television.
It should be publicized.
If it's a national crime with public attention and it's a capital crime murder, I believe there should be capital punishment.
It should not be 25 to 30 years.
That's unjust.
It should be a fair trial, but within weeks or months, justice must be swift.
The Bible says if justice is delayed, then wickedness will creep up.
Others will look at that and say, oh, look, this guy got away with murder.
So the justice must be proportional, life for life.
It must be swift.
And I believe that if it was a public crime, then the justice should be carried out publicly.
You will not have to hang that many people publicly on national television before every community, black or white, gets their act together and says, Don't want to do that.
Don't want to do that.
That's gnarly.
They don't mess around in this country anymore.
They actually are behaving as though my actions have consequences.
I guess I'll have to actually get my act together.
And, but if, but if you say to your country, like a home, right?
The nation is just an extension of the family.
If going back to the parenting analogy, if you say to the country, you say, hey, these kids over here, you do anything wrong at all, and you'll go to jail, right?
If you're peacefully protesting, jail.
Right.
If you do this, jail.
And also, here's another thing you actually have to pay.
Financially, through your taxes, you have to pay for all these other people not to work.
You have to pay for all of it.
So, if you act up, or even if you do something that you technically have a constitutional right to do, you will receive severe consequences and you have to fit the bill.
You have to fit the bill for welfare, for this, for that, and the other.
And then you say to another group of people, you get 14 chances.
You can have lower standards for testing when it comes to getting into universities.
All these different things.
We will pick you, even if you're less qualified, when there's a job opportunity over somebody else who's more qualified.
And you also, if you don't get a job and don't work, we'll still, you know, we'll make all the white people feed your wife and kids.
Yep.
What do you think is going to happen?
What do you think is going to happen in that scenario?
That's where we are.
So non Americans have to go back, and all Americans have to obey the law.
And there needs to be swift justice all the way around.
And it will.
You know, it will turn out to be disproportional, at least for the foreseeable future.
But eventually, by God's grace, I think every community, you know, the rising tide will lift all the ships.
You know, it may not lift them exactly the same to where everybody's equal.
That's just not the world that God made.
That probably won't happen.
But every ship will actually rise.
It will better every single person in America, regardless of race, if we have a just America.
So, I think that those things are going to happen because I think people have had enough.
However, for America to have the political will to carry those things out, sadly, it should be enough for everyone, but it's still not.
It's still not.
And so, there are still some people who have to see more.
There are still boomers who, like, their greatest priority is believing in the civil rights project that they protested for.
Trusting in Martin Luther King as their Lord and Savior.
Yeah, back when they were in their early 20s.
And they still believe that in their bones.
And sadly, there are still boomers today that when they were high and using drugs and lobbying for civil rights and standing on the White House lawn, that still means more to them than the safety and future of their grandchildren.
Yeah.
That's your boomer.
Diversity over the safety of my grandchildren.
And so for them, sadly, this is not anything that I would ever advocate for.
But that's why we're saying it's not, I don't think it's going to happen soon.
I think it'll happen quickly, but it is not fully happening.
It's happening, but it's not fully happened yet.
And essentially, what I'm saying is basically, what are we still waiting for?
We're waiting for grandma.
That's actually what it comes down to.
Sadly, grandma in America has to see more.
Grandchildren senselessly murdered before she finally says, You know what?
My grandbabies matter more than Martin Luther King.
And we're still sadly having to wait for that.
But I think it's coming.
So, okay, let's go to our last commercial break.
We're going to come back and do super chats.
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Final segment.
We're going to do the super chats.
First one comes from Dylan Harrington.
He gave us $300.
Dylan, thank you, thank you, thank you.
That's incredibly generous.
We are so grateful.
Thank you.
So, this is from Dylan $300.
He said, If you can't be the man speaking and protecting truth with a platform, then make sure that you're supporting the ones who can and are.
Keep fighting the good fight, fellas.
Dylan, thank you.
Some of you guys heard last week where I announced that I have gotten more emails.
In the last week than I ever have in my life.
More my phone ringing off the hook.
I have to put it on do not disturb.
It's ringing right now.
Tons of voicemails, hate mail, hate emails, lots of encouraging ones as well.
Praise God.
But to the point where there were a couple death threats, and the board for right response strongly advised me, and I appreciate this because they love me and my family, that we needed to leave our home because our home address has been too public.
And so it's, you know, Yeah, so even now, my family and I are staying in an undisclosed location.
And this ministry itself, with payroll and putting on high production value, and the cameras and the quality that we're doing, and the amount of time, the staffing, all these things take money.
And on top of that, we have to pay a little bit of extra money for a temporary amount of time because I have to pay my mortgage and.
Also, pay for additional housing because it's not safe for my family to be at home right now.
And so I say all that to say, Dylan, thank you, because it's, you know, I don't want to make it about me, but it's not easy.
And the reason why we're paying extra money right now so that my family can live somewhere else, I want to be clear about that.
It's so that I can continue to be courageous because I will not compromise, I'm not going to back down.
I'm not going to stop.
I'm going to continue to speak the truth.
I'm going to do it as a Christian.
I'm going to use the scripture.
I'm not going to be hateful or sinful, but I am going to speak the truth.
I am going to do everything I can, give my life to destroy gay race communism.
I believe the historic Christian faith passed down to the saints.
I am not beholden to 20th century liberalism.
I'm beholden to the Bible.
I am beholden to historic Christianity.
Part of the reason I have my family staying somewhere else is so that I know that they're safe.
And because I know they're safe, I can come back in the studio and not pull my punches.
I'm making sure that my family's safe so that I don't have to compromise, so that I can go as hard as I have to go, be as strong as I have to be, because I'm not going to quit.
That said, we cannot do this.
We can't.
I can't do this if I can't afford to get an extra place to stay for my family when I'm getting death threats.
Costs money.
I can't do this if I don't have Wes helping me research to make sure our episodes are pristine and filled with good content, which costs money.
I can't do this with high quality, where the clips go viral and are seen by millions of people, if I can't pay my tech guys in the back room, unsung heroes who work tirelessly making sure that the production quality, not just the content that me and Wes are working on, but the production quality of this show is immaculate.
We are, did you ever see Cinderella Man?
I think of that movie and Paul Giamonti.
There's a moment in the movie where the main protagonist, the fighter, he goes to his house because they're in the Great Depression and things are terrible.
He can't feed his kids.
And Paul Giamonti, his character, is still at least seemingly living large.
So they go to his penthouse.
It's immaculate, it's nice.
They walk inside and there's nothing.
They're sleeping on the floors, there's no furniture.
And he said, Why not just sell the house?
Why?
If you're living like this, if you're actually destitute, why are you keeping up this facade, right?
The charade.
And he's a boxing guy, and he says, always keep your guard up.
And that's kind of like the ethos, I think, in many ways, of Right Response Ministries we are going to do everything we can to always punch above our weight class.
I'm not looking to, hey, you know, what's another, you know, reformed podcast, you know, with a webcam?
And that's what they're doing.
And, you know, I'm just a reformed pastor at the end of the day.
And so I'll do the same.
No, I'm looking at that shot right there that Tucker Carlson has on his show.
That's really good.
Can we achieve that?
Can we actually?
Because I want to win the world.
I want this ministry and the content that we produce from the substance to the rhetoric.
To the technology and to the background, to the set design at every level.
I want to win the world to Christ.
And I want to defeat liberalism, gay race communism, transgenderism, globalism, Zionism for sure, all of it.
And we're going to do it through excellence.
We can't do it without your help.
Dylan.
Thank you again from the bottom of my heart.
$300 donation.
That's incredibly generous.
But he's right.
If you can't be the guy in the arena, but the guy in the arena is fighting for you, then if you can, and I know that times are tough right now, but if you can, if you're able to, at least support that guy in the arena.
We need your help.
And, you know, I'll be a little shameless for a moment.
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It's that easy.
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I have a new book that we'll be publishing in January.
We'd love to mail you some free copies of the book.
We'll do everything that we can afford to do to say thank you, but we do need your support.
All right, second question.
It's from This Dude Rocks, is the name.
This Dude Rocks.
He gave us $10.
Thank you.
We appreciate that.
He asked, Is Michael Belch, who has been on the podcast in the past, he transitioned to other endeavors that he's pursuing about a couple months ago.
So he's saying, Is Michael Belch still an elder at Covenant Bible Church, right?
Because he's been with Right Response, but also with our church.
The answer to that is yes.
He's still an elder at the church and is still preaching.
And then he said, I saw that he preached not too long ago.
I picked up his book, In Defense of Christian Nations, fantastic book.
Let me grab it real quick and plug his book.
Here we go.
If you want to zoom in real quick.
Enhance?
Here it is.
Yeah, I just meant put it on me.
In Defense of Christian Nations, the Bible, Natural Affections, and God's Plan to Use Nations for Good by Michael Belch.
So, yes, Michael is still an elder in our church.
He's no longer working with Right Response Ministries.
He's working on a lot of writing and different projects that he's trying to accomplish.
But he is still an elder in the church, and we're still praying about future direction of those things.
There's nothing official, so I don't want to announce anything.
But Michael has mentioned multiple times, not just recently, that there is a desire to eventually, like, you know, I'm the primary preaching pastor at our church, and I think that he's gifted, uniquely gifted to teach.
And so one day there may come a time where we're able to send him out.
But for the time being, he's an elder at our church.
We love his family.
His family loves our church.
And that's the answer to that question.
Great.
Johnny Marvelous, WikiWiki, $50 super chat.
Thanks so much, Johnny.
Very kind.
These actually next two are from individuals that have visited our church.
So Covenant Bible, right a little bit north, 45 minutes north of Austin, Texas.
Johnny said this.
He said, Great meeting, y'all, two weeks ago.
For the doubters, I can tell you.
These gentlemen are the real deal, and their church is full of salt of the earth, good, faithful people.
Thanks so much.
That's very kind.
He ended.
Stay safe, Joel, Wes, and Nathan, the tall, skinny white guy.
We put in parentheses is very tall, hashtag giant.
Okay, but real quick, is that Joel and Wes combined?
Do I get worked into a collective, very tall supplement?
We actually have to put a box under your seat.
That is me and you as Steam and.
How tall is Steam and.
6'2?
6'2.
I am literally 6'2 and a half.
So short.
So much shorter.
Okay.
He said, You reference Luther often.
What makes you reformed over Lutheran?
Yeah.
That's a good question.
Yeah.
Soteriology is probably one of the biggest ones.
I love the Lutherans.
Most of them today suck.
But, you know, when Lutherans aren't excommunicating people for holding views, you know, before the 1960s, They're pretty great, which means today about 90% of them are not pretty great.
But historic, you know, Lutheranism, I think, has a lot of really great things.
But I am, I know it bothers people, but I am and will always be a Calvinist.
Yep.
And Lutherans aren't.
Yeah, I think definitely too intellectually into high orthodoxy.
So, Turretin, the development of reformed theology, Gerhardus Voss, and the Dutch theologians.
I think reformed theology, Luther did great work, and obviously he.
Started the Lutheran church, he pulled back from Rome, and we all come from him.
And we all come from him, but it is Calvin's thought, it is Turreton's thought, it is Voss's thought, Bavink's.
He also loved the Jews and their lies.
God bless.
God bless.
What a guy.
But those were the guys that really fleshed out what we would know.
I think is the best expression of Protestant theology that it still maintains a sense of Catholicity, it has its specifics in regards to salvation, in regards to church, in regards to all of that.
So that'd be why.
Agreed.
I'll hit this one more, and then I think the last one is for you.
Johnny Marvelous followed it up with a $20 super chat.
He said, Your service is indeed very liturgical.
My favorite part was adopting a posture of praise.
Nice.
Awesome.
That's great.
This is Josh Hopper.
He gave us five bucks.
Thanks, Josh.
We appreciate that.
He said, Hey, Pastor Joel, love your ministry.
How do you foresee the current state of affairs playing out for the church and politics?
I would love to hear your take.
Well, I think that sadly, a lot of churches are pietists.
Piety, like personal holiness, right?
Prayer, fasting.
That's a good thing.
Pietism, like most words, when you add ism behind it, it has a negative connotation.
So, pietist or pietism, a lot of churches fall into that category, and that is not a positive thing.
That would be, if you think pietism instead of piety, that would be kind of, you could sum it up in the old adage, he's so heavenly minded, he's no earthly good.
Right.
And I think a lot of churches are like that.
They over spiritualize, right?
Everything's spiritual.
Right.
And this even gets into, you know, like race.
People are infuriated.
Christians are infuriated that I would talk about race because for them, they say, no, it's the war is against Christianity only.
It's just a war on Christianity.
It's only a spiritual war and it's just light versus darkness.
And I would say, yeah, that's what it is fundamentally.
So I would never negate.
I'm not saying it's anything less than a spiritual war, right?
Our battle is not with flesh and blood, with principalities.
I know the Bible.
You think I don't know a buttload about the gospel, but I do.
You preached like half of the books in the New Testament.
Yeah, by God's grace.
And so, yes, it's a spiritual war.
But here's the thing.
So, our battle is not with flesh and blood, but with principalities, with demonic entities.
It's a spiritual battle.
But then in 1 Timothy 1, the Apostle Paul tells Timothy, he says, This rebuke your opponents with gentleness, not knowing whether or not God might grant them repentance, that they might come to their senses after having been taken captive by the devil to do his will.
What does that mean when you put these two verses together?
What it means is that fundamentally, we have a spiritual war against the devil, light versus darkness.
But that our spiritual adversary, who is our true fundamental adversary, the devil, what does he do?
Well, the spiritual entity that we're at war with, namely Satan, he takes and enlists flesh and blood within his ranks, right?
Rebuke your opponents with gentleness, not knowing whether or not God might grant them repentance that they might come to their senses after being taken captive by the devil.
Who?
Human opponents, people.
So, your battle is with the devil, but the devil employs flesh and blood.
Our battle is not with flesh and blood.
Yeah, in the ultimate sense, that's what the Bible's speaking of.
So, in the ultimate sense, in the spiritual sense, in the highest sense, our battle is not with flesh and blood, but it's actually a spiritual battle.
It really is.
But in the temporal sense, as we live daily lives in this world, in the physical cosmos that God made, well, this spiritual entity that we're at war with, he does enlist within his ranks, flesh and blood, and we are battling them.
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So, that said, back to the question from Josh Hopper, sadly, much of the church cannot think in categories and they cannot understand the basic truth that I just articulated in two minutes.
It's just, and here's the thing it's not so much they cannot, they will not, they won't.
It's a moral hindrance.
They won't do it because it's icky.
They don't want any kind of theological conviction that would create among their fellow man.
And us and them, friend enemy distinction, some might say, right?
That they, that it fuels icky.
And so, what is my prediction for the church and its role?
Well, ideally, I'll tell you my hope and then my prediction.
My hope is that the church ultimately would play its God given role, which is word and sacrament.
The church would speak occasionally to political things like Charlie Kirk when he was assassinated.
That's a major event, and I think it's good for the church to address that.
I really do.
But by and large, it's here's the text, here's the text, here's the text.
Word, sacrament, word, sacrament.
Because the church needs to be a refuge from people who are fighting this war six days a week.
And one day a week on the Lord's Day, they're able to ascend the hill of the Lord.
They're able to be seated in heavenly places.
They're able to experience, as the Puritans said, the market day for the soul and find rest.
And find rest and consolation and comfort, the excellent ones, as David wrote in the Psalms, the excellent ones in all the earth gathering together.
And that it would be not just more war, but it would be a rest from war, ceasing from war.
I think of the great battle where both sides rested on Christmas and came together because at the end of the day, they were brothers.
They were Christian brothers, and even nationally speaking, they were brothers.
And they recognized, no, we're going to pause for a moment.
We know that when tomorrow comes, we will be back.
Fighting against one another, but we're going to lay that aside for one day.
And that's what Christians do when we gather together.
So I hope that the church would fulfill the role of word and sacrament and not be overly political.
And then, you know, and then I hope that Christians, so here's the difference there's the church institute, and then there's the church that is Christians, the people who make it up.
So if we're speaking of the church insofar as people, people, Christians, they're the ones who are going to have to fight this war.
They're going to have to fight it spiritually, not against flesh and blood, but also temporally, which is against flesh and blood.
And I'm not saying fight it physically, not saying violence, but politically, culturally, all these ways, economically.
So, Christians, the church of Jesus Christ, as it pertains to individual Christians, we are going to have to fight the war.
But the church, as it pertains to the church institute, I'm hoping that the clergy and the church institute and the Lord's day would be reserved as a place of rest from the war.
And I hope that we can work in tandem in that way.
Wes, you want to take the next one?
All right.
Hal9K sent $5.
Thank you, Hal.
He said, thanks for what you do, Pastor.
Short and sweet.
Will Nelson, $5.
Christian men in the USA have lost control of their daughters.
That is a large part of the problem.
They lose control when they reach the age of about 12.
Many such cases.
Yep.
Christian men have absolutely lost control of their daughters.
And I do think that their mothers are part of that problem.
The fathers, that's not to say that they don't get any blame.
But I also do think that happy wife, happy life, and just men who are.
Allowing their wives to wear the pants and constantly rule the roost when the daughter reaches puberty.
Because I don't think it's a coincidence.
When they get to about a certain age, it's like all of a sudden he backs off.
He becomes more indifferent.
He's not as involved.
Why?
Because she looks like her mother and he's afraid of her.
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I never made that connection.
Appeal to Heaven 7, good brother 499 on Protestants, on Protestants, so Protestantism and some of its troubles.
IFB has been dying out.
IFB is independent fundamentalist Baptist.
Praise God.
Putting half the people off.
This drove a lot of people off with the DISPI mindset.
Yep, that's true.
A lot of people left too, independent fundamentalism.
Like you look at the people that are coming back to church, a lot of them grew up in that context.
They left when they went to college, they left when they left the home.
And what they're coming back to now, they're not coming back to IFB, but they're coming back to churches like ours or as previously mentioned, Catholicism.
Right.
He said, no one I grew up with goes to church.
I'm Reformed Baptist now because of that.
I grew up IFB and I'm no longer IFB.
So many.
Many such cases.
Okay, Dapper Dan.
This is $10 from Dapper Dan.
Thank you.
We appreciate that, Dan.
He says since the left can't be reasoned with, so true, the only people that conservatives need to be debating right now are other conservatives who just want to be left alone.
I think that's actually a really insightful point.
So I'd say two things on that completely agree and also disagree at the same time, slightly, but mostly agree.
He's absolutely right.
Nick Funtas made this point.
And I think he was right, just acknowledging.
I mean, everybody knows, it's no secret, Nick Fuentes hated Charlie Kirk.
Hated him and said some pretty terrible things about Charlie Kirk.
But when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, Nick Fuentes realized, whoa, wait a second.
And he did an episode.
It doesn't erase everything he said in the past, but he didn't do anything that day.
He paused, he waited, he thought, he prayed, and he came and did probably.
Arguably, his most careful, thoughtful episode of America First that he's ever done on Charlie Kirk and did nothing but call people away, call the right away from violence, call even the Groypers, and some of them are mad at him, you know, but at even the risk of offending his base, call them to honor Charlie Kirk, respected him, paid homage.
So he did a good job.
But then, you know, a couple days later, he tweeted out, and I think it was insightful.
And he just pointed out, he wasn't trying to disparage Charlie or anything like that, but he just pointed out that Charlie was known for his willingness to hold reasonable discourse and debate in person with far leftists,
people who were not even close to where Charlie was in his position, people who think that a boy can be a girl and a girl can be a boy.
Surgical procedures for transgenderism for minors and abortion and all these different things.
Pretty, pretty, pretty crazy.
And he was willing to talk to them, but there was a certain sector of the right that Nick Fuentes would be one of those guys that represents that sector.
That not just Charlie, I don't want to just put on him, but Charlie and others would never talk to.
So they'll talk to a transgender furry, but they wouldn't even mention by name.
Right, but would not, would never talk to someone like Nick Quintus.
And I do think that Dapper Dan is right that that needs to change.
That doesn't mean you can't still hold disagreements.
It doesn't mean you can't hold serious disagreements.
But I do think that there has to be discourse.
It can't just be that we're willing to reach across the aisle to the left, but we're not willing to even host a debate or have a conversation with people on the right.
And so I do think that's something that needs to change.
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Yep.
JD Peabody.
Peabody.
$10.
Thank you, JD.
May God bless and keep you men and your family safe.
Love y'all.
No homo.
Thank you so much.
Thanks.
Finish it up, Joel.
BJJ wins again.
He gave us $5.
We appreciate that.
He said, Here is for one extra square foot of land for your future compound.
Thank you.
We appreciate that.
I also think it's cute that you think that $5 will buy a square foot of land.
Maybe a square inch of land here in Texas.
No, I appreciate it.
Thank you.
That's very kind.
He said, Keep fighting.
We are winning.
Amen.
I really do believe that we're winning.
Shout on, pray on.
We're gaining ground.
I really believe that's true.
So, thank you guys for tuning in.
It's been a huge blessing.
For those of you, some people have reached out or DM'd and asked how they can support.
So, I'll just say it one more time here at the end.
If you would like to help financially support this mission, there are, as you guys have probably seen over the past couple of years, there are quite literally thousands and thousands of people who want to crush us, whether it's exposes and hit pieces or And it comes from the far left, it comes from unbelievers, and it comes sadly even from reformed ministers.
But people, they hate us because they ain't us, you know, but they hate us.
And we need help.
And a lot of people have hurt us and even hurt us financially.
And so, those of you who are willing to support, we are incredibly grateful.
And I also want to say thank you just for those of you who have already supported this last week.
Many of you have sent donations and charitable giving, your generosity.
Has been incredibly appreciated.
We are very, very grateful.
Very, very grateful.
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