THE LIVESTREAM - White Parents Need To Have "The Talk" With Their Kids argues that FBI data shows White people are 31 times more likely to be victimized by Black individuals, urging parents to teach situational awareness rather than relying on false narratives about police danger. The host cites a 2,000% disparity in murder rates between Black and White men, advocating for restricted neighborhood exposure and even private car ownership for women to ensure safety. While rejecting the idea that ancient Greeks were morally superior, the speaker claims Christianity introduced compassion but acknowledges a historical physical deficit among non-European peoples due to demon worship. Ultimately, the episode promotes "race realism" over essentialism, suggesting God's providence could eventually shift these dynamics if non-European groups embrace Christianity, while also calling for repealing the Civil Rights Act to allow segregated spaces. [Automatically generated summary]
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Welcome.
Let me begin this episode by saying a simple fact that we should all be able to agree with.
White lives matter.
And I want to start by reading a tweet that I put out a couple days ago in response to a white woman who was recently brutally murdered by a black man on a subway.
Here's the tweet BLM used to always mention in 2020, 2021, black parents needing to have.
The talk with their black children, especially when they got their driver's license.
Here's a little snippet of the talk.
You have to be careful because cops are out to get you.
Now, I opposed this rhetoric at the time because it was statistically false.
On its face, it was false.
This was during the time when LeBron James, right, making millions and millions of dollars as the highest paid NBA player. Said that cops are hunting black men down in the street.
That was the narrative at the time.
And you would see even pastors, as we're going to show you, a clip from a famous minister hopping onto this rhetoric and saying, you know, black parents have to have the talk with their black teenagers about how their very lives are under threat and how cops are out to get them and will shoot them unarmed, dead in the street.
So, I opposed that rhetoric at the time, continuing with the tweet now, because it was false.
White parents are now having the talk with their white children.
Here's a little snippet of how that talk goes.
Don't sit near to a black man on a subway.
Or, better yet, don't go on the subway at all.
Now, I support this rhetoric for a simple reason because it's true.
I did not support BLM, not just because they're black and I'm white.
But because they lied, and I want to support truth.
I do, however, support white parents having a conversation at the appropriate time with their children about what it looks like to live in a diverse country where diversity is our strength and the great threats and dangers that are prevalent for young white people because of said diversity.
That talk is necessary.
As a father, as a Christian, as a pastor, I will encourage white parents to have this kind of discussion with their white children because this threat is real.
The threat from police officers to unarmed black people?
False.
The threat of black people to white people and white young people, especially?
True.
True.
I go on in the tweet finally to say this Woke Wright. Is not a thing.
Why?
Because BLM lied about white racism.
However, the new right, or in my case, the new Christian right, acknowledges the truth about anti white hatred.
Woke right, it's not a thing.
Right?
That's what James Lindsay and these kinds of guys keep trying to juxtapose woke left and woke right.
Well, the woke left, which is just woke, was wrong because it was false.
It spun a narrative that was not real, a narrative of white privilege.
Meanwhile, at the time that that was being said, white students couldn't even get into a university.
White men could not get a job and be employed.
There was literal prejudice and discrimination against, not for, but against white people on the books during the height of BLM woke left rhetoric.
So to say, well, the woke left is bad because they're obsessed about race and how white people are oppressing black people.
And that's wrong.
I agree.
Do you know why it's wrong?
Because it's false.
But Woke Ride is no different.
It's just the same.
It's also obsessed about race, about how black people are hurting white people.
That one's real.
That one is real.
Buckle up, Buttercup.
It's time for the show.
All right, all right, all right.
Welcome back.
Let's run some numbers.
Nathan, I've got a couple tweets ready for you.
Let's go with the next one.
Here we are.
Per capita.
All right, per capita.
It's the kryptonite of every minority here in America, right?
This is a phrase that strikes terror into the heart of anybody who has a little bit too much melanin in their skin.
Per capita, meaning not just the sheer number, because remember, 59% of our country, which is approximately 330 million people, is still made up of European descendants, right?
White people.
So, white people are still not by much, but still the majority in our country.
So, it's not just sheer numeric metrics of, well, this many white people did that.
Well, you would expect more white people to do both positive and negative things because there are more white people.
Per capita, meaning if we boil this down to 1,000, is what I'm using here, right?
So, actual averages and not just the sheer number.
This is the tweet per capita, offending rates per 1,000.
Blacks against whites.
This is talking about violent attacks.
So it's not always homicide, doesn't always end in murder, but still violent crimes, violent aggressive crimes.
Blacks against whites, it is 11.6 out of 1,000.
Whites against blacks, it is 0.38.
The ratio, 31 to 1.
Let me break it down.
In other words, a white person is 31 times more likely to be physically victimized by a black person than the other way around.
Let me say that again.
A white person in these United States of America in the year of our Lord 2025 is 31 times, that's 3,100% more likely to be physically victimized by a black person than the other way around.
The Real Crime Statistics00:11:12
Now, I had the privilege recently, this weekend on Friday, of going on the Tim Pool podcast.
And Tim was a perfect gentleman and a wonderful host and had a great time arguing with.
A leftist and Tim very much being on my side, he was probably a little bit more heated than I was, arguing about the need and supporting that it would be right, it would be morally right and good for Donald Trump, our president, to federalize the National Guard and send them in, not just DC, he has clear jurisdiction there, but cities like Chicago.
And that's a city that Tim Poole was born and raised in.
And so, you know, there's a soft place in his heart for Chicago.
And he was talking about, you know, well, you know, murder rates have gone down.
You know, there's still murder.
And yes, Chicago, especially the south side of Chicago, is a hellhole.
I think just the weekend before, there were 54 murders, 54 shootings, eight deaths in Chicago.
That's right.
54 shootings, eight deaths.
Well, one of the points, and that leads perfectly into what I was going to say, one of the points that Tim Poole made that I thought was really insightful is he said, one of the reasons why murder is going down is not because the intent.
For criminals has gone down, but because everyone has a phone in their pocket.
I mean, think about once upon a time.
I mean, somebody gets shot in a dark alleyway and you're running for the nearest payphone that could take you 10, 15, 20 minutes just to get there.
You hope that you've got a quarter in your pocket so that you're able to use it, so that you can call 911, so that the ambulance can arrive.
Whereas now, when certain violent crimes occur, the first responders are on the scene much more quickly because of the Increased development in technology is cell phone being one of those things.
Let's call attention to those four images if you can show that tweet again.
Yeah.
Let's, yeah, let's show it again.
So, so here's, you know, speaking of technology, remember one of the big things that BLM pushed was we need accountability for police officers.
We need body cams, right?
No more Derek Chauvin, no more, you know, white police officers hunting down, you know, black people.
Michael Brown's case was a big one.
Right.
Hands up, don't shoot me, which didn't happen, come to find out.
It was just a bold faced lie.
He was not holding his hands up, saying, please don't shoot.
That was a lie.
So, this is the result.
Put the tweet up one more time.
This is the result of body cam.
On police officers.
And increased surveillance on public transit.
This case we're talking about today, that comes from the Charlotte Light Rail adding more surveillance because of crime.
And so we have more surveillance and police with body cams wearing them more often.
Yeah, one of the most vindicating elements for police officers in recent times has been body cams.
It's shown exactly the opposite of what BLM and the woke left insisted.
Okay, Nathan, one more tweet now, please.
So that's per capita, 31 times more likely for a white person to be the victim of a violent crime of a black person than the other way around.
Now, people say, well, the FBI statistics are lying.
So I added this to the tweet I said, and yes, the FBI statistics, they are actually skewed in favor of blacks.
The truth is likely worse.
Never forget, all of these people and many others.
Have been categorized as white.
Now, if you're listening on Apple or Spotify, then you won't be able to appreciate this tweet in its full glory.
But for those of you who are watching on YouTube or X, we have visually there in the tweet, I added a number of individuals, and I added more actually if you go and find the tweet on Twitter.
But a number of individuals, and these are just some, who are very clearly not white, but were labeled by the police department as white.
Yeah.
Wes, what do you think?
Yeah, so that means, practically speaking, that the true number is probably higher.
I like this.
It's actually a comment from someone who lives in Chicago, Deacon St. John.
He said, I'm a Chicago emergency response worker on the south side of Chicago.
The news does not even have the manpower to attempt to show an accurate picture of how bad it is here.
And so we're going to get into the story and the specifics, and even some evangelicals and the news outlets, how they responded to it.
But all of this is continuing to build a case on the foundation and the bedrock that really it's only been in the last, I would say, four to five years.
People have really grasped how bad it is.
So, Black Lives Matter obviously brought policing to the forefront.
But something else that brought these news stories and cases of violence to the forefront was Elon Musk purchasing X.
And X has, on this topic at least, not necessarily on every topic, but on this topic at least, has been very open to allowing to a certain degree people to actually see the violence taking place.
And really, one of the only places publicly where these things can be seen.
If it wasn't for that, that's such a great point because you cannot underestimate how big of a factor this is.
For the last 48 hours, Until really just now, there's a couple other sources that are starting to pick it up.
But for about 48 hours, the only place that you would have even heard about the story that we're going to be talking about today of a young white Ukrainian woman being stabbed in the neck to death by a black man sitting behind her on the subway, you would not have even known.
I would not have even known this story existed if it had not been for X.
So now think about all the years before Elon bought X and before, what's his name, the Facebook guy, Zuckerberg.
Before Zuckerberg started wakeboarding with an American flag, right?
Before he pivoted on a dime and all of a sudden became libertarian and based.
He's not, for the record.
He is not.
But before he went from being a terrible leftist to a normal leftist, you're talking about Zuckerberg at like the height, the height of his leftism.
And he even has come out and confessed that he was.
We took it too far.
Facebook was in bed with the Biden administration and suppressing these things.
So think about every single major social media platform.
And then, of course, every legacy media outlet, CNN and all the rest.
These are stories that for years, arguably decades, we never heard of because we were lied to.
No one would touch it.
But now that everyone has a video camera in their pocket, the game has changed.
And because Elon bought X and will allow for people to post things that are true.
So you have the ability to capture it and a place to publicly post it.
And so then what are we seeing?
Well, what we're seeing is every day.
Well, that's crazy.
This happened actually on the 22nd of August.
So, this happened then.
It was the image itself that came out and was actually publicly released.
The police department and the news didn't want to release the full video because it's so grisly.
And I'm not going to take the time to describe what happens.
You can surmise from the thumbnail.
You can go look it up on your own.
But it was basically the image of it coming out and being shared that even this story managed to get at the recognition.
As in, before there was something sensational, something that go on social media, people would gasp to even look at it and even imagine what it was like.
Before that even came out, this was just.
Oh no, there's a stabbing in the subway.
Whatever could be done about this?
This is just the price of living in society these days.
It would have flown under the rug until, again, you get images so shocking.
Prior generations would not have tolerated this, but you get images so shocking that people are like, wait a second, that's happening here in the United States?
I was explaining it to my parents.
And they were like, where was this?
England, Wales?
No, this was in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Right.
Okay.
You had a clip from Paul David Tripp.
Are you ready to share that?
Because that's.
Let's get into some of the how the evangelicals pulled into this in the second segment.
But let's end this one with just talking about again how the news handled this.
So there's tons of pressure over the weekend.
When is somebody going to say something about this?
When are you going to cover it?
I mean, George Floyd, right?
A career criminal, a man who held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach compared to a 23 year old.
This woman, Irana is her name.
She's a Ukrainian refugee.
And we can actually tell from the video.
All the people with Ukrainian flags in their bio suspiciously silent.
Do not care about Ukrainians, turns out.
As it turns out.
So she's a 23 year old girl.
She's coming off shift from working at what looks to be a pizzeria joint.
So this is a girl that's a productive member of society, did nothing to aggregate, most certainly was not trying to pass off a fake $20 bill.
George Floyd got a $40,000 gold casket.
But as far as coverage for this, it was nil.
And then look how they spun it when they actually did cover it.
So one of the first outlets to cover it, and it's gaining traction now on Fox and others, but was Axios.
This is the Axios headline that you can see on your screen Grizzly Charlotte stabbing fuels.
MAGA's crime message.
That's the takeaway.
Right.
Man, all this crime.
I mean, this is a crime that's unprompted.
My goodness, this is terrible.
It's fueling MAGA's crime message.
This is terrible.
Why?
Because a woman was stabbed to death?
No, no, no.
It's terrible because Donald Trump might try to stop crime like this.
Right.
He could send the National Guard into Charlotte.
And they continued in this story.
And again, look at the spin.
The big picture, the rising number of surveillance cameras in public spaces, we just talked about that, including on Charlotte's light rail, has become a big accelerant in these cases.
AKA, people can see what's going on and it's causing sparks to fly.
This video is easily shared or leaked and can instantly pollinate across social media, a visual counterpoint to statistics showing crime decreases.
And so they're trying to bring in this narrative hey, crime is actually down, even with Peaceco, who you were debating on Tim Pool.
He was trying to make that argument.
No, crime is down.
Things are actually better.
And at the macro picture, there are ways to slice data.
We'll talk about slicing data in the second segment that that's partially true.
Sure, at some metrics, at some level in certain areas, sure, they may be going down.
But people were tuned to stories.
And it's a story like this of a 23 year old girl fleeing war, stabbed senselessly without aggravation, without any interaction with this individual.
That says so much more than any.
Well, actually, studies say that the crime rate has decreased 17%.
We're looking right in front of us as white women stabbed by black men for no purpose and bleed out and die in the subway.
Forget the narrative.
As long as this is happening in the United States, in a red state, albeit with North Carolina, a largely conservative state, as long as this is happening, crime is not where it needs to be and action needs to be taken.
Right.
Anything else you want to share about the story before we go to our first commercial break?
I think that's pretty much all to add to it.
Great.
Let's go to our first commercial break and then we're going to come back and we're going to talk about evangelical pastors and how they have dropped the ball for years now.
That is largely, I would say, a large responsibility for why we're in this current mess.
So let's go to our first commercial break and we'll be right back.
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All right, so we're going to talk about evangelical pastors and how spineless and cowardly they have been for years and years and years now.
But before we do, I wanted to read one more thing that I wrote in relation to our topic today.
Fatherlessness and Family Impact00:10:29
I said, number one, here are some of the developments and some predictions as I see them coming down the pike.
All right, number one, social media, especially X, since Elon purchased it.
Is no longer suppressing these plentiful stories the way that it once was.
Black on white crime.
Number two, technology has placed a video camera in everyone's pocket.
Number three, in a very short time, you will see conversations of segregation begin to arise, I believe, even among the mainstream.
Number four, the only alternative is for strict rule of law.
What do I mean by that?
Well, here's an option federalizing every major city in America, mass arrest.
All right, here's another maximum penalty for every criminal.
Here's another public executions displayed on national television for every murderer.
In a nutshell, in conclusion, America must put the fear of God back into the hearts of every thug, or self segregation will be the most moderate response that anyone could hope for.
Those are some of my predictions.
And then, Nathan, if you could bring up one more tweet now, this is the table with statistics here.
Okay.
Now, one quick disclaimer.
Depending on how you bracket for age, there is a slight variance in these numbers.
White men are.
There's more older white men, essentially.
And so if they were equalized for age, black women are a little less violent towards the end of life.
And so if they were equalized, the number would come out a little bit lower.
A little bit lower.
If you did that for the United States.
Yep.
But it would still be pretty close to these numbers.
Exactly.
And close enough to these numbers to support one of the findings, which is.
Astronomical.
I mean, you really need to appreciate how incredible this fact truly is.
And the fact is this that black women murder more than white men.
Per 100,000, the murder rate for black female is 8.7.
8.7.
And for white male, or it's 3.5 for white men, 5.8 for black women.
5.8 murderers per 100,000 and 3.5 per 100,000.
I'm looking at 5.2 and 8.7.
Where are you looking?
I'm looking down at the line that says all right there.
All.
Right above projected lifetime.
Yeah, I see.
So 5.8.
So not quite two times, but that's easily one and a half, right?
Easily.
Yep.
So you're talking about for every two white men who commit murder at some point within their lifetime, for every two white men who do that, there are three black women.
And this is not even bringing in abortion.
Statistically, black women are the most likely to abort their baby versus white women or Hispanic women.
Right.
None of this is accounted for.
For abortion for black or for white or for Hispanic, but leaving abortion out of it, which is atrocious and would beef the numbers up substantially.
And for the record, that would add millions of murders for white people, namely white women.
But again, per capita, it would add more murders for black women than it would for white women.
That's a fairly well known fact that I believe in the last 50 years, I believe it's 21 or 22 million black babies have been aborted.
In the womb.
Close to one in four of Gen Z. Gen Z would be millions more people if not for the millions that have been aborted.
And that number, not just black, but all of Gen Z. All of Gen Z, a quarter of a generation.
Think of that.
A quarter of a generation doesn't exist.
They were murdered in the womb.
People that could work, people that could be productive, people that would have children.
It could be someone who cures cancer.
It could be the next, you know, the next Martin Luther King.
No, no, no.
Martin came out.
I was like, Martin Luther.
Lloyd Jones.
There we go.
No, I was not thinking of Martin Luther.
Hopefully, not the next serial adulterer, you know, who is a Marxist and funded by Jews to usher in the Civil Rights Act, which got us precisely where we are today.
So, hopefully, not that.
That's who Martin Luther, you know, Martin Michael.
Luther wasn't even his middle name, Martin Michael King.
But all that being said, the point is, I mean, this gives you the numbers.
So, again, if you're just listening, let's pull the tweet up for those who are watching.
But if you're just listening, Let me just go over for white males.
Nathan, if you can put it on the screen.
White males, 3.5.
And this is per 100,000.
How many commit murder per 100,000?
So per 100,000 white men, 3.5.
Per 100,000 Hispanic men, 11.9.
Not great.
Not great.
Per 100,000 black men, 64.4.
64.4, so about almost 20 times higher, okay, for black men to white men.
Now, for females, for a white female, it's 0.7, so 0.7, less than one in 100,000 white women commit murder, right?
Hispanic females now, 2.4, and then black females, 5.8.
And again, I'm comparing this is what was just shocking for me white men.
3.5 out of 100,000 white men commit murder in their lifetime.
5.8 black women out of 100,000 commit murder in their lifetime.
And for the between one and a half to 2x the number of people.
For the source on this, this is from the FBI crime statistics.
Now, something interesting that has happened in the early 2010s, it was very easy to find multiples, for example, in New York City of homicide, arrest rate, et cetera, broken down by race and broken down by victim.
I have tried, though, and in the last five years, and there's even people commenting on this video.
As far as reports, as far as categorization, and as far as these crimes being available in the last five years and even going back closer to 10, there's been intense effort to make it very, very, very, very difficult not to do these types of comparisons.
If you go to the FBI's website, I've tried to pull like the blank data file from this, very hard to get a hold of.
It was actually someone himself that did all these different analyses and stratified, I think it was based on event, just to be able to pull these numbers himself because there's a lot of law enforcement and, like I said, like agencies, crime enforcement, they do not want these numbers to come out because when they come out, That gives you a very hard choice about what you're going to do with society.
As far as what it comes from, we've done an episode, The Gospel Changes Genetics.
We've talked about it more recently.
So, kind of like, where does this come from?
Why does this happen?
Well, when you worship demons for thousands of years, you tend to be a violent and poor people.
Old habits die hard.
So, we've talked about why, and that matters.
Well, and that's go see your pre recorded.
That's the longer biological reasoning that we're trying to root not in Darwin, but in scripture.
But then there also is the immediate explanations for behavior, which would be lack of accountability, lack of police actually enforcing the law, lack of parents in the home.
There's all of those things, of course, too.
Yep.
So, you have your kind of short term, but then even in the case of it was in Frisco, that kid grew up in a two parent home.
Right.
So, then people say, well, you see the statistics.
Do you not see Anthony?
Yep.
From Mel Anthony, do you not see some of the underlying factors?
We've addressed them on a previous episode, but just understanding we know there's short term, but also longer term things that have brought this to be to what it is right now.
It's both.
It's like, well, it's just culture.
Yeah.
Black culture in the United States is not great, right?
There are some black people that have a great family and love the Lord.
But we're saying again, we're speaking in generalities as group collectives.
As a group, collectively, black culture in the United States is terrible.
But it's not just culture.
And I think that's what conservatives have done for decades now, right?
I mean, most of them have pretended there's no distinction at all.
But if there is, you know, even for the few who are starting to, you know, get to the point where they can't not admit it, right?
Because it's right in front of everybody's eyes.
They're like, okay, so yeah, fine.
We admit, you know, black people tend to murder a little bit more, you know, than white people.
And I guess we've got to acknowledge that.
But how are we going to account for it?
Well, it's just culture.
It's just culture.
And we say culture is a part of it.
Absolutely.
So we're not minimizing that.
But we're saying, no, it's more than just culture because you have to then ask the question well, where did this culture come from?
Where did hip hop come from?
Well, Jews, of course.
But beyond just that, you can't blame everything on the Jews.
There's a decent amount that you actually can.
But besides just hip hop and the music and the sagging pants and all these kinds of things and fatherless homes, people will put a lot on FDR, they'll put a lot on the welfare state.
But you have to look at that and say, okay, so the welfare state has crushed the black community disproportionately.
But there are white people on welfare.
Yep.
And white people on welfare have had negative effects as well, but not the same.
Not the same.
So you can't just isolate it to one thing and just say, well, it's policies, it's welfare.
Well, if welfare is that damaging, and I think welfare is damaging for the record, I'd like to abolish the welfare state.
But if it's damaging across the board, how come it's had more negative effects on one group of people than Another, right?
And if it's just fatherless homes, right?
Well, fatherlessness is massive.
It's hard to even begin to account for all the negative effects that come from a child growing up without their dad in the home.
But that's not the only factor.
And so we have to be honest and say yes, it's family, it's music, it's culture, it's policies.
And also, people are different.
People are different.
People, individuals, but also people collectively.
And And then the question is in accounting for that, can we account for that in a way that is responsible, in a way that's not completely unhinged and filled with malice and rage?
Biblically Speaking on Punishment00:14:52
And most importantly, a way that is faithful to scripture.
In a way that doesn't deny the scripture, but actually embraces the scripture.
And we feel like we have done that.
We've done it multiple times.
And again, we would reference probably the clearest episode where we lined that out is The Gospel Changes Genetics, I believe, is the title.
Of that episode.
All right, so now we want to talk about evangelical pastors.
I'll add one caveat to that, too, that your system, so being tough on crime, this individual, Draymond Brown Jr., who stabbed this woman to death, a murderer, he had 14 prior convictions for armed robbery, larceny, felony convictions.
And the judge was lax on sentencing.
And so you see a lot of attempts to be like, we need more policing.
I don't have the individual one.
There's going to be a couple.
Was it a woman?
I think at least one case was.
You're saying multiple judges.
Okay.
But think about that 14 prior convictions for including violent crimes, armed robbery.
Yeah, you're seeing this is not a guy that's like he just needs community programs and mental health.
No, he really needs a short rope and a tall tree, is what he needs.
That said, you're seeing this phrase, it's just like an oxymoron.
It's ironic, but one of the phrases that I'm seeing, referencing this man who murdered this woman online right now, is he was a career criminal.
There should be no such thing as a career criminal.
If you are a criminal, then you should not go free to commit crime again, much less to commit it so many times, so consistently that it would make sense to title you a career criminal.
That is insane that our country allows for the freedom of criminals to the point, to the degree that you could actually make crime a career.
Right.
And you're not implying there, all right, shoplifting, death penalty, breaking and entering.
But say, for example, breaking and entering.
You're caught, you are convicted, you did it clear as day, and you are beaten, as the Old Testament prescribes, in the public square.
So we're not talking about jail, we're not talking about probation.
You receive a very, very painful experience.
Well, if there was any hope that Draymond Brown Jr. would deviate from this path, that's honestly one of the only things that I can think of.
That experience was so terrible.
I don't care if I'm working at McDonald's night shift, I'm going to be a productive member of society that does not have to steal because I never want to repeat that again.
So we're not talking about, there was one city in ancient Greece, and it was It was literally like death penalty for everything.
So, we're not even talking about some type of brutal society like that.
We're talking about biblical punishments that would deter people at the lower levels to, I don't know, sometime before they stab someone from behind in the neck that has done nothing to them.
They have been so severely reprimanded that they have either, the state, it's clear, the state has to say, nope, you're out of here.
Or they said, you know what?
I'm never repeating that experience and I'm going to be productive.
Right.
And then also, biblically, there is a clear principle for repeat.
Offenders.
So the Bible is pretty clear that not all sin is equal.
That's a misnomer.
That's not true.
So there are degrees of crimes and there are appropriate degrees of punishment that are proportional to the crime.
Right?
That's, I mean, well, where's that in the Bible?
Well, here's an example eye for an eye, right?
Tooth for a tooth, limb for limb, life for life, right?
So the Bible talks about justice being impartial, right?
So it's objective, it's swift, right?
It's not delayed, right?
When justice is delayed, It incentivizes others to do wrong.
So it's swift, it's proportional, right?
Or swift, it's impartial, but it's also proportional.
However, there is a biblical principle for even if it's a more minor crime, for a repeat offender who does that minor crime and receives a proportional, right, punishment, but then still the punishment doesn't dissuade him and he does it again and again and again and again, then eventually, even though it's the same crime, the punishment actually increases.
And so, biblically speaking, You could commit a lesser crime, but by being a repeat offender, it can get all the way to the death penalty.
One example that I think of is in the case of a, and this is not a toddler, this is not a two year old, but a grown man being rebellious towards his parents.
And now we know it's speaking of a grown child and not a child who's still young and in the home, because in the same context, Deuteronomy references this grown child being a glutton and a drunkard.
So I don't think it's talking about the four year old who's a drunkard.
So this is a man who is grown.
But his parents, they're elderly now, but they're still alive.
And he is a continual, incessant, repeat offender in terms of bringing shame upon his parents and rebelling against his parents in public ways that is bringing humiliation upon his family.
And Deuteronomy says, in such a case, right?
So it's not a man who gets drunk is put to death.
The Bible doesn't say that.
Drunkenness is a sin.
Public drunkenness that causes you to do certain things can elevate to the level of a crime.
But even in that instance, it is not a capital crime receiving capital punishment.
But pretty much all crimes, biblically speaking, can become capital crimes if they're repeated without any inhibition enough times.
And so the idea, again, of a career criminal, like we might say, well, you know, the first time it's this guy, you know, got in an altercation and fought someone and punched them in the face and, you know, they pressed charges.
All right, well, that's bad.
But that's not death penalty, merited.
But the big thing with this guy is there were 13 or 14 prior arrests.
14.
Biblically speaking, you don't get to 14.
You don't get to throw a Coke bottle out of your car window 14 times and live to tell about it.
Biblically speaking, no matter how low that crime is on the totem pole, if it's repeated that many times, then what you're dealing with.
Is a man who will not be rehabilitated.
And when that's the case, in terms of biblical principles, you don't take a man who refuses to be rehabilitated and punish everyone else, aka, here's three meals a day, here's room and board, here's an hour a day, you know, in the yard to do some exercise and weightlifting.
No, no, no.
You don't punish everybody else and by making them pay more money in taxes for such a guy to keep him in a cage.
No, if a guy can't be rehabilitated, biblically speaking, He doesn't go to lifelong prison, which is a punishment on society through taxes, but rather he actually receives capital punishment.
He receives the death penalty.
Right.
All right.
Let's get into it.
We've talked about the joker pastors.
We've teased it out enough, but one of the big narratives in this was more, this was even before 2020, because you had wokeness brewing for a good while before that, at least five, six, seven, eight years prior.
And there were different individuals that were pushing it.
And a big narrative was undue policing of black neighborhoods.
And so they insisted.
All right, white Christians, there are black Christians here in your fellowship.
They're here in your church.
They're here in your community.
And they've had an experience that you haven't had.
And because they've had this experience, because they're under duress from the police, you need to sit down and listen.
They've gone through something you haven't gone through.
They've had to tell their children things you haven't had to tell your children.
And you need to sit down.
You need to shut up.
You need to read the books.
You need to educate yourself so that you can empathize with them.
You can agree with them.
You can share in their struggle.
And I'm going to share a clip from a very famous pastor, Paul.
David Tripp, he's written a number of books.
Shepherding a Child's Heart, was that him?
Yep.
Paul David Tripp, so author, he booked a book on parenting, book on marriage.
I mean, this is the quintessential gospel guy.
And when George Floyd happened.
Not just gospel.
This is the gospelly gospel, gospel, gospel, gospel.
This is gospel, gospel, gospel.
Centered, centered gospel, gospel guy.
This is, I mean.
So gospel.
How slow he talks.
I mean, just sit down, get your popcorn.
We're going to have about two hours here to just get out this little bit that he says.
No, but I mean, this is your quintessential reformed gospel guy.
And when George Floyd happened, listen to how he sat down and began to explain what Christians have to do, what they should be thinking about, what they should be asking, and beginning to put kind of moral weights upon them.
As I was thinking of this video, I thought of a second experience.
Several years ago, Llewellyn and I began to attend Epiphany Fellowship Church.
It's a largely African American church.
I would imagine that there are 75 or 80 percent of the congregation populated by our black brothers and sisters.
Epiphany will always be a bit of a multicultural church, but it's a predominantly black church.
It has been a transforming experience for us because we have listened to the experiences of brothers and sisters that we have come to love dearly.
This is our family.
And we have heard things way outside of our personal field of experience.
We've heard of moms and dads who've had to have conversations with their sons and daughters that we never had to have with our children.
That video comes across like a hostage video.
You've got Eric Mason behind the camera.
You had better.
The whole time, I'm thinking Leonce Crump, Eric Mason, Brandon Washington, these guys are probably just barely outside of the frame holding a gun to ball David Tripp's head and making him repeat the line.
Unfortunately, that was actually probably pretty voluntary.
But again, these were the pastors that were telling you they have to have the talk, you have it better.
But the truth is, as you alluded, the exact opposite.
The truth is the exact opposite.
And that's what makes me so.
And you do have to have a talk about it, right?
So there is a talk.
No, if you're not the one they're espousing.
Correct.
There is a talk, and parents do need to have it, but it's the exact opposite of what we were told for years and years and years.
And that makes me frustrated because it's not just ignorance, it really is deceitful.
I think it's wicked.
Um, the kosher right, and I think that's the best label that I could come up with.
You know, it's the Israel worshiping, you know, allegedly, you know, conservative, really more so neocon.
I think, you know, Ben Shapiro, think James Lindsay, think, you know, that kind of crew.
Um, the kosher right, uh, wants you to think that, you know, wokeness is all the same, just two sides of the same coin, right?
They're both wrong, they're both, uh, immoral, they're both unbiblical, and equally so just in opposite directions, right?
And that's what they would say.
Um, But that's not true.
The problem with wokeness, real wokeness, right?
Woke left is the only kind of woke there is.
That's what wokeness is.
It's leftism.
And that wokeness that we all experienced in 2000, you know, from, I would say, at least in my experience, all the way from 2013 up until 2022, 23, 24, that wokeness, what made it so sinister was not that it talked about race.
It is okay and permissible to talk about race.
It's that it talked about race deceitfully.
It blatantly lied.
It said there is a racial massacre in the United States of America in 2020 currently going on targeting the black community.
And it was immoral because it was false.
It was blatantly false.
However, and they'll say, well, here you are, you're saying that, well, black parents shouldn't have the talk with their kids.
And just for the record, I'm going to come back to this.
I think black parents absolutely need to have several talks.
With their black children.
But not the talk of police are out to get you and you better watch out, but the talk of statistically speaking, most of the other black children your age are reprobates and misbehaved and rebellious towards authority, including police.
And you better not be one of them.
Like there is a talk.
And you better be careful around them because black on black violence, as high as it is, black on white, black on black is just as high, if not higher.
And I want to get to that.
Nathan, I think it was Ashauna Howell, H O W E L L, in the comments.
If you could go and find that, because I want to read this.
They have a comment that I disagree with, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt here.
I think she's just probably missing our point.
But real quick, with what Wes said in terms of black on white and black on black, she, I think, is misunderstanding what we're trying to communicate here.
She said, Well, where's the evidence?
And speaking of this latest instance that we addressed at the top of the show, where's the evidence of racism, though?
You can't just assume that the attacker was racist in the same way black people shouldn't assume that all police brutality cases are because of racism.
And I would agree.
I completely agree.
In this one incident, I don't know.
Maybe it was racially motivated.
Maybe it wasn't.
That's not our point.
The point of our episode is not that all these black murderers are racist.
Our point is they just kill people at an incredibly complicated calculus.
Yeah, so we're not saying, oh, the problem here is that all these black guys are racist against white people.
Some of them absolutely are.
Absolutely.
But that's not the point.
The main point that we're making is simply that when it comes to the raw statistics, the facts, whether it's black on white crime or black on Hispanic crime or black on black crime, any way you slice it, there's just exponentially more crime, specifically violent crime and murder.
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And so when we say, you know, white parents, If you're a Christian white parent who loves the Lord and loves your children, that you need to have the talk.
The talk that we're referencing is the talk that takes your children according to their maturity at the proper time, the appropriate time, and says, There are certain parts of town that you cannot go.
And there are certain people that you cannot be around.
If there's someone who is black in our church and they've been in our church and we know them and they love the Lord Jesus Christ.
Great.
We're not talking about that person, but we're talking about when you go into a crowd of people.
If you go into a crowd of strangers and they're white strangers, there's some danger.
If they're black strangers, there is 30 times more danger.
Them's the facts.
And it is actually a failure of your parental duty.
White parents, please hear me.
If you teach your children growing up, if you lie to them, And say, all people and all races of people in our country are the same.
They are not.
You are actually depriving your child of factual, truthful information that could save their life.
They actually should have a situational awareness.
As a young teenager and later on in life, as a young adult, a situational awareness.
They should know that in certain parts of town and in certain contexts and certain times of day, the evening, the nighttime, that all strangers represent some degree of threat.
But a group of black men represents a much greater threat.
And that is somewhere where if you're black yourself and there's a group of black men and it's nighttime and you're black, you don't need to go over there.
If you're a white man, you really don't need to go over there.
And if you're a white woman, you really, really, really don't need to go over there.
I'll take it another level and say this applies for also husbands with their wives.
Women can have a tendency, they don't think in those categories, they don't think about who could be a threat, what could happen.
I've been on public transit like that.
I would never be sitting with my back to someone.
I would probably have my back against the wall.
So you're telling your wife, hey, if you see, especially a black man, and he seems to be following you, get to your car as fast as possible.
Call me.
I don't want you being around this type of public transportation.
Hey, I know you like to pick this up or visit this person.
They live in this part of town.
I'm just not allowing you to go to.
That is a wise, prudent thing, loving to tell your wife.
Absolutely.
And if you are in the city, if she does take public transit, hey, dear, I bought you a car.
It was $2,000.
I'd like you to drive this.
Like, why can't we get Americans to take public transit?
Europe does it.
Well, there's a reason, and it doesn't have to do with the timing.
It doesn't have to do with the cost.
It's dangerous.
That's right.
Yep.
And this also would apply to your children as they reach young adulthood and they're thinking about where to start a family and where to live.
Right.
That you have those conversations.
You talk to your son, you talk to your daughter, and you say, Hey, you know, they come to you, Dad.
I got a job offer I'm really excited about.
It does require me to, you know, to transfer and move.
And it's like, You're moving to Salt Lake City.
Great.
Oh, you're moving to Atlanta?
No.
Yeah.
Please, sweetheart, do not do that.
Well, why, Dad?
Because there are two different kinds of people that live in Atlanta and Salt Lake City.
And one poses, again, objectively at a factual level, statistically speaking, a far, not slight.
We're not talking about.
And I just want to make this point real quick.
If we were saying, you know, with one demographic, there are, you know, 10 People who commit murder out of 100,000 and the other 12.
Okay, well, now it seems like to do a whole episode on that, a whole episode, it seems like you're just kind of picking on somebody.
It's like, oh, well, maybe you guys just really just hate black people, you know?
But that's not what we're talking about.
We're talking, again, pull up the numbers.
Here they are on the screen.
Here we go.
White male, 3.5 out of 100,000 committing murder in their lifetime.
Black men, 64.4.
So, it's not 10 and 12.
It's 3.5 and 64.4.
That's the difference.
We are talking about a massive difference.
We're not talking about, oh, well, there's a 10 to 15 or even 20% increase.
Nope.
We're talking about a 2,000% increase of likelihood that one person would commit murder and another person would commit murder.
And so, that's a conversation as a parent.
And especially as a Christian parent, that you need to have with your children.
And for the record, just to cover the bases, this is a conversation for any black Christians that are listening to the show.
God bless you.
We're glad you're tuning in.
You absolutely need to have this conversation also with your black children.
You need to tell your black son, hey, son, I love you.
And you do not need to be hanging out with a group of people who look like you at this time of day.
Why, Dad?
Because the cops will come and get me?
No.
Because they might get you.
And here are the FBI statistics.
I hate to break it to you, son.
It's a shame to dad and it's a shame to you.
Well, what are we going to do about it, dad?
We're going to be wise.
We're not going to be foolish.
We're going to make sure that bad company doesn't corrupt good morals.
And we're going to take accountability for our family and for ourselves and our family first, but then also in a broader sense for our people.
And we're going to be willing to call this out as black men.
We're going to be willing to call this out and say, hey, get it together.
Get it together.
This is a shame.
This is a stain on our reputation.
Get it together.
I think that's respectable.
Jason Whitlock does a decent amount of that.
God bless him.
As a black man, he's like, what the heck is wrong with my people?
God bless him.
And it's certainly permissible, too, to say, these are my kinsmen.
These are the people I'm related to.
For the safety of my family, I'm going to live in a white part of town.
Or to say, no, I think God's called me here.
I run a church.
I run a ministry.
I have influence.
But you're thinking categorically, I am.
Consciously, I'm living in a more dangerous part of the city.
I'm living in a more dangerous part of the nation, and I'm doing it for the purpose of my kinsmen to share the gospel, to preach the gospel, to disciple these young men.
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But of the two, that shouldn't be a decision that just is made for you.
If you're going to live there in that area and raise your children, you should be aware I'm a missionary.
You feel cold every day.
That's right.
Protect me, protect us.
Please, you've got bars in your windows.
You're a Second Amendment respecting citizen.
Or you say, no, actually, in God's providence, I make $200,000 in tech.
I got hired in 2021.
I am going to live 45 minutes outside of town.
We're going to move into a gated community.
In a gated community.
With many cameras.
God bless.
Absolutely.
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A friend of mine dislikes how Joel blames these issues on how non white cultures are less Christianized.
He argues that the Romans and the Greeks were morally superior prior to the time of Christ.
I disagree with him, but would appreciate your thoughts.
I do not believe that the Romans and the Greeks were morally superior.
They were phenomenal in many, many different regards.
But in terms of moral superiority, no.
The Greeks and the Romans, but especially the Greeks were.
Brutal.
They built a society of law, order, philosophy, art, science, all these incredible things on a pile of skulls.
How did they achieve such a high trust society, one might ask?
Well, there was a point where certain cities, it was any crime was the death penalty.
Yeah.
Like think about that.
There is no gradation, there is no prison, shoplifting, boom.
How did the Greeks do it?
That's how you do it.
How did the Romans do it?
Eugenics is actually the answer.
Right.
Eugenics actually works.
And it's like, well, what eugenics?
They were sterilizing people.
Well, if they could have, I think they would have.
But no, what they were doing instead is just chopping off people's heads.
Yeah.
You littered?
Dead.
Oh, you're not particularly bright?
Dead.
Right.
You're impulsive?
Yep.
Dead.
So, yes, can we look pre Christ in European context and say, hey, well, there were, you know, and this is what the pagan, you know, ethno nationalists, you know, will say.
I've run into them a few times.
At this point, and they hate me, and they're like, Christianity is just a Jewish psyop.
And I always like to respond by saying, Well, rejecting Christ is actually the most Jewish thing you can do.
So, no, but what they'll say is they'll point out the Greeks and the Romans.
They'll say, look, we had law and order and sophistication, you know, and all these kinds of things before, you know, pre Christendom in the West.
Because a lot of my arguments, and I make no apology for this because I believe it's absolutely true, a lot of my arguments is that Europeans have been so prosperous and so incredibly innovative and developed as a civilization because of Christianity.
And I'm not going to apologize for that or change my view at all.
I believe that that's true.
However, I acknowledge that there were, like Greeks and Romans, pre Christ that were still incredibly developed in comparison with the rest of the world, especially the parts of the world with people with darker skin.
And that's undeniable.
But the question is how?
See, Christianity found a way to build hospitals, to care for the disabled, to prolong people's life, even the weakest among us, and still produce.
Rocket ships and art and philosophy.
And whereas the Greeks and Romans, they could produce high, but there was no charity.
There was no compassion.
There was no mercy.
It's like, well, how did you do all this?
Well, they did it in large part through an unfeeling, cruel manner of life that despised the weak and cut them off.
Only Christianity, it's only when Christianity comes into the picture that Europe becomes both compassionate.
And still innovative, right?
It becomes merciful and strong.
Only Christianity accomplished that.
And I would say, too, with Noah, you have two sons you have Japheth and you have Ham.
And Ham is, well, Canaan, but Canaan being Ham's son as a stand in for Ham.
He goes south and he goes below this desert.
And Ham already, I mean, this is the guy I actually take the interpretation in uncovering Noah's nakedness that it's not just simply a matter of Noah, his robe fell down, but he actually slept with a family member.
And for the record, you get that.
I believe it's Leviticus or Numbers that explicitly uses that same term.
You shall not uncover your father's nakedness.
And it's talking about you shall not sleep with your father's wife.
So the Bible is being very reserved and just not gratuitous.
So it's saying Ham commits this terrible sexual sin.
So we can see there Ham is impulsive.
This is a trait that he probably passes down to his sons.
He's an impulsive, greedy man.
He goes south.
Well, then Noah's other sons appear to be good, godly men.
Japheth is blessed.
Japheth goes north.
It's very likely that for thousands of years post Noah, Japheth maintained a monotheistic true religion.
Learning from Noah, he knew that there was one God, that God required sacrifice, that God had a moral standard, and he should teach his children that.
And so, for generation to generation after generation, by about 1,500 years, I think true worship continued, a type of pre Christ true worship in Europe.
Whereas Ham goes down, he's already an impulsive, wicked person.
And what has he developed down there?
A terrible, they worship demons, they commune with demons, polytheism.
They're not interested in building any type of society, polygamy.
Being a big part of it, also.
So I agree with you 100%.
One thing that just for the contrarian, because people have, the three sons of Noah, and this kind of has come up a few times on social media and in the reformed podcast world.
And so for some of those guys who are like, well, this is why are you deliberately being a wolf and twisting scripture?
Because it says, curse be Canaan, not him.
So a couple things on that, real quick.
This is not a matter of heresy.
It's a matter of exegesis.
Now, that doesn't mean that everybody's right, right?
We're not relativists.
Somebody's still wrong.
But you're not talking about heresy.
You're talking about exegesis.
All right.
So the question is is Canaan, right?
Because that is what Noah says.
He doesn't say, Curse be Ham, he says, Curse be Canaan.
There's others, but two primary ways of interpreting that.
Why does Noah say, Curse be Canaan, when Ham's the one who uncovered his nakedness, his father's nakedness?
Well, one explanation is because the curse was going to be exclusively limited to Noah's grandson and not Ham.
So that Ham's other children, Noah's other grandchildren, would not be cursed, but only Canaan would be cursed, an exclusive curse to Canaan.
And that's why he curses Canaan.
The other explanation is that Noah, in his wrath and a righteous indignation, is not willing to even name his son, who has just done something so terrible, and that Ham would be generally cursed, him and all of his children, so all of Noah's descendants through Ham, his grandchildren, but that Canaan would be particularly cursed.
And we know that that played out, right?
Because the Canaanites were wiped out by Joshua.
By divine order.
You go up there, man, woman, child.
Man, woman, child.
Yeah, so that, I mean, Not one of God's words ever drops to the ground, right?
His word never returns void.
And the curse of Canaan did not return void.
God eventually raised up his people to wipe out man, woman, and children and beast.
I mean, pretty intense.
So Canaan definitely, the curse definitely came to pass.
So the question is is it an exclusive curse to Canaan or is it a general curse to Ham with a particular application to Canaan?
Now, that's a matter of exegesis.
That is not a matter of heresy.
No, the reason you think it's heresy is because your religion.
Is liberalism.
That's why you think it's heresy.
You think, see, the reason why people jump to heresy right there is because for them, anything that even sniffs as the potential of racism would be heresy, right?
Because their orthodoxy is not historic Christianity and it's not the Bible.
Their orthodoxy is liberalism.
Okay, so number one, it's not heresy.
Number two, let's just play it out.
Let's play the devil's advocate.
All right, let's say that it is an exclusive curse to Canaan and that.
Ham, who did this terrible deed, is not cursed at all, and his other children, Canaan's brothers and sisters, are not cursed at all.
And so, all the line of Ham that goes through Canaan's brothers and sisters has no curse whatsoever.
Here's what we can say at minimum if all of Ham's other descendants, except for Canaan, were not cursed, what we know from the text is that although they may not be cursed, they certainly were not blessed, right?
That would be my argument.
So, maybe not particularly cursed.
But certainly not particularly blessed in the way that Japheth was.
Now, I go further, and Wes and I have had conversations.
We don't agree entirely, but I'll state my opinion here.
I believe that in the finished work of Christ, his life, death, resurrection, and ascension, that he comes to make his blessings flow as far as the curse is found.
So I think that there was a curse because the Bible says so, and I believe the Bible, every word of it, whether it offends my modern sensibilities or not, let God be true and every man a liar.
So there was a curse.
And I believe that the curse lasted, but I believe that Christ has broken the curse, the curse of all sin, including that sin.
However, even if that's the case, even if I'm right about that, and maybe I'm wrong, but I think I'm right, like, shocker.
The opinions that I hold, here's a shocking statement.
The things that I think, I think them because I think they're right.
Crazy, huh?
Me and everybody else on the planet.
That's why everybody thinks what they think, because they think that it's right.
So I think the curse is broken.
But what you're looking at, though, even in that scenario, So, playing the devil's advocate, let's say Ham is not cursed.
It's just Canaan, not particularly Canaan, but exclusively Canaan.
So, Ham and his other descendants, other children, are not cursed, but they are absent of a special blessing.
Japheth is given a blessing, Shem is given a lesser blessing, and Ham is given no blessing.
So, if we say it's not a curse, well, there's also not a blessing.
And the playing field would not be leveled for centuries and centuries and centuries, well over a thousand years, until the finished work of Christ.
And then for those descendants of Ham, Not only did Christ's work not complete until only 2,000 years ago, but the news of Christ's completed work did not even reach certain parts of Sub Saharan Africa until, in some places, depending on the place, even just 200 years ago.
Which means, even though Christ came and accomplished this glorious thing, there's a lot of people in certain places in the world, Sub Saharan Africa being one of them, that did not hear about Jesus until 200 years ago.
So there's a massive deficit.
And then when you think of, well, what would the implications, practical and even physical, tangible implications of that deficit be?
Well, what physical effects would there be to worshiping demons instead of God?
Well, that's just a spiritual thing.
That's not physical.
Okay, let's look at every major religion, including Christianity around the world.
Do these religions say anything about diet?
Dietary restrictions, what you should eat and what you should not eat?
Well, does diet affect someone physically?
Does it have a physical effect?
And not just in one lifetime, but if there are certain dietary restrictions for the people who follow that religion and that religious text, and they follow it not just with one generation, but 30, 40, 50 subsequent generations for centuries, even arguably a thousand years, would that affect lifespans?
Would it affect strength?
Would it affect longevity and perhaps even intelligence and IQ?
I think it would.
All right, let's also throw into the mix monogamy versus polygamy.
Let's throw into the mix sober mindedness as a virtue versus worshiping demon gods with coyote, with substance abuse.
Also, Christians in Christendom, they're the ones, because of the Christian worldview, who discovered and invented and developed sanitation systems.
The sewer system was developed by Christians.
So, we're talking about sanitation.
We're talking about dietary restrictions.
We're talking about safe sex in the covenant of monogamous marriage.
We're talking about sober mindedness and avoiding substance abuse.
Most importantly, we're talking about the worship of the triune God, and not just for 15 minutes and not just in one lifetime, but for 30, 40, 50 subsequent generations over the course of a millennia.
Would that have a physical effect on people?
Of course it would.
So if Japheth and his descendants already had a head start because of being particularly blessed, even if Ham and his descendants weren't particularly cursed, but they did not have the presence of a curse, but they did have the absence of a blessing, and then they went to a place where Where the gospel did not even reach until 200 years ago, and the gospel in the Christian worldview doesn't just speak to heavenly ends, but also earthly good,
practical things like dietary restriction and who to marry and all these things.
Would there be a physical difference?
Yes, I would.
Is that racism?
Is that immoral?
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
Yeah.
Just even to give a final wrap up answer to Nick, what his friend sounds like, well, I don't like this rooting it in culture.
Because you can do this thing where culture is surface level.
So there are atheistic countries, think of Scandinavia.
They're majority atheist.
I would rather live in Scandinavia than Guatemala, than Liberia.
So there's a way of speaking about culture where it's just like, well, if it's Christian, I don't care what people are, I don't care what the past is.
I would just rather live in a Christian culture.
Now we're saying culture still matters, but go back 2,000 years.
So, like, well, the Greeks and the Romans were blessed.
Well, Noah literally promised, may God enlarge Japheth, may he dwell in the tents of Shem.
So I root that in God fulfilled his promise to Noah's son, who worshiped him, who went northward and built society.
And eventually.
And then Christ came, and then they were the first ones, the gospel came to them.
Europe is converted by 800.
So God's blessing continued through.
But behold the kindness and then the severity of God.
Race Realist Perspectives00:11:01
Exactly.
That's where I've landed is just these people.
Well, how do you explain the Greeks and the Romans pre Christ and their superior development and blah, blah, blah, blah?
One, cruelty.
But then number two, I do think that these are the descendants of Japheth, and that by the time you get to the Greeks and the Romans, their worship had been perverted.
Absolutely.
But for a long time, I think it had been pure.
Right.
Before it degraded.
Aristotle is still relatively monotheistic.
Yep.
Even back then.
Yep.
So I think that's how you explain it.
And if you're talking about today, well, what can happen today?
Well, I've said it several times.
I'll say it again.
I'm not a race essentialist.
I don't think that it's the most important factor or the only factor.
I don't care if you're pagan.
If you're white, you can be my neighbor.
Right.
People would say that.
I'd rather not.
No, I don't want a pagan neighbor, even if he's white.
So, no, we are not race essentialist, but we do think that race is real.
Race realist, if that's the term you want to use.
Yeah, but race essentialists, no.
And then in terms of racial determinism, I'll speak for myself.
I do think that the deck can shuffle in the providence of God, but slowly, not in 15 minutes, not Haitians being converted and then being imported to the Western world.
And then all of a sudden, the Haitians are building rocket ships.
No, because that's not the way that the Europeans built rocket ships.
That doesn't happen.
You know, quickly for any people.
The gospel, right, the little bit of leaven working through the whole batch of dough or the mustard seed growing to the tree takes time.
So, I actually do, I'm not a race essentialist.
It's not the most important thing.
It is a thing, it is real, and Christians should acknowledge it because we live in God's natural world.
You may not see race, but based on the statistics we shared, race sees you.
Race sees you.
You may not like it, but it is a very, very real thing.
Correct.
Right.
So, not a race essentialist, and I am also, me personally, I am not a racial determinist.
So, I don't think race is paramount, although it matters.
It's not first and foremost or only, not a race essentialist, also not a racial determinist, meaning that I don't think that it's fatalistic, that it's set in the stars.
I do think that God, if he chooses, he may not, though.
And if not, then that should be fine.
We should be fine with that.
But I do think that if it is God's prerogative, he could actually shuffle the deck if white people continue to apostatize.
Against the Lord Jesus Christ, not just for a little while, but for centuries, for a long time, and other peoples that are non European embrace the Lord Jesus Christ, love the Lord Jesus Christ, worship the Lord Jesus Christ, and apply all of Christ to all of life, again, not for 15 minutes, but for centuries, for time, then, yeah, I think that the deck could change.
So, not a racial determinist, not a race essentialist, but a race realist.
And that right there, I wouldn't be surprised if already, as we're broadcasting this live, if something in the last 15 minutes of our conversation, Wes, has not already been clipped out, not by leftists, but by Christians, professing Christians, professing Christians who they cannot stand what we're saying because to them it is blasphemy.
Because it goes against their God, who is not the triune God, but it is the God of liberalism.
And so this will be likely cut and spliced and posted, and they'll try to make it go viral.
And look at this.
Now the mask is all the way off.
We've been yelling about Joel ever since he told his wife not to read a book and said he'd read it with her later.
We said he was a wolf all the way back then, years ago.
Vindicated.
But now, this time, we really mean it.
We really mean it this time.
It literally is the boy that cried wolf.
There are wolves in the church.
It's actually a really serious thing to call someone a wolf.
And it's actually an incredible dissurface to the people of God to call someone a wolf haphazardly and to do it ad nauseum again and again and again and again every single day on social media.
Because here's the thing people won't believe you.
And if that guy actually is a wolf, Right?
Let's just say that somebody in our camp turned out that they really were a wolf.
They denied orthodoxy.
They denied orthodoxy.
Well, for some of these guys who have entire social media pages just centered on constantly attacking us, it's actually a crying shame because most people wouldn't believe them.
Because it's like, but you said he was a wolf all 15 times over the last three years.
That was three years ago when he said that if he doesn't personally know, Two doctors, and he's looking for a healthcare plan and has to choose between two doctors that are perfect strangers.
He does not personally know either of them.
And all he has to go on, they work at the same hospital, the same license, and one is white and one is black.
He would pick the white one because it was at the height of DEI standards.
And he knows statistically it is more likely that the white guy did not get a free pass or a leg up than the black guy.
Like I remember when I remember that clip.
I was sitting across from you watching, and I'm like, he stepped in it now.
I remember when I said that, and I said it just like I just did.
I would choose, and I did choose.
This is an actual example.
I chose the white doctor over the black doctor because it was at the height of DI standards.
I didn't know either of them.
If the black doctor was a member of my church and my friend, that's different.
The whole thing's different.
But the point was all things being equal, all things being equal in a country and a culture saturated with anti white discrimination, especially at the time and still now, but especially at the time, at the height, the high watermark of wokeness.
If all I have to go off of is there's two guys, they both have the same degree from the same school working for the same company.
I'm going to pick the guy who's white because it's less likely that he got a pass.
I remember these guys who hate us, they raged.
I mean, they were screeching.
It was like a hip hop Atlanta Instagram page that pulled it and people were crashing out in the comments.
Yep.
But not just leftists, but professing Christians raging and wailing into the void for weeks on end.
But my point in bringing all this up is, yeah, that's why no one will listen to you.
Right.
That was a perfectly reasonable statement.
I remember Virgil Walker, you know, a black pastor who was with G3 at the time.
He privately reached out to me and was like, Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
There's nothing wrong with what you just said, you know, like he got it, you know.
And so, anyway, so the point is what we just said is, I believe, a very, very, very moderate, reasonable, and biblically permissible view on race.
But people will lose their mind.
But all that said, the Overton window is shifting fast.
And a time is quickly coming where many will be saying, give us Wesley Todd, give us Joel Webb.
Those guys were reasonable, those guys were moderate.
They just wanted a system where prior convicted criminals would be hung up, not preemptive.
Right.
I mean, really, at the end of the day, what do we want?
We want crime to be punished, and we know that it will be disproportionate, racially based, but we want it to be criminals, right?
There are more black criminals per capita, but we want them to actually be criminals, not innocent people.
So we want crime to be strictly, harshly punished.
Beyond that, publicly as a warning to all, proportional justice for repeat offenders that it quickly escalates in terms of the penalty.
In addition to that, we want.
White Christians to be able to have these conversations without being called racist, and for white parents to inform their children that not all people are the same, that we love all people, but not all people are the same.
And beyond that, I would like to see the Civil Rights Act repealed.
And I would like there to be freedom of association, not forced desegregation or forced desegregation, neither, but freedom of association.
I would like to be able to go to an all male gym.
We can't, we legally can't even have that in our country.
That's what the Civil Rights Act gives.
So, freedom of association.
And some people may choose to say, you know what, I want to be over here.
And others will say, no, I love it over here.
These are reasonable policies.
And then outside of race, but speaking to foreigners, I simply want just a mere modest 100 million to go back.
Just a small amount.
Just a small, and that is a reasonable number.
So, 100 million go back.
Strict punishments for crime, public punishments that dismay others from committing that crime, Civil Rights Act repealed, freedom of association reinstated for those who choose, so that you can do either or both options are available to you.
And that's it.
I'm telling you, give it six months from now, and people will be like, what a lib that Joel Webbett.
If people don't like that, you're really not going to like the alternative.
You're really not going to like the alternative.
Yeah, exactly.
You keep calling guys like us racist.
Keep it up.
Because you keep doing that, and we won't get these kinds of moderate solutions, and therefore we won't get any solutions.
And the problem will continue to rise and build up, and the anger will be pent up, the rage more and more and more.
And then you will actually get a solution.
You will get a solution.
It will be black history.
It will be cruel.
That's right.
It will be violent.
It'll be quick.
It will be a race.
It will be a civil war.
Right.
It will be bloody.
And we, I want to make it clear for our listeners and for YouTube, we don't want that.
Right.
We are not advocating for that.
We're saying there's an exit ramp.
There's enforce the law.
That's right.
Do justice.
That's right.
Give a warning.
That we, there's a great exit ramp.
Many of them, before they want to be around, yep, those kinds of things.
Addressing Sinful Hatred00:12:47
Simple things.
All right, uh, one more.
This is from Johnny Rudolph.
He gave us ten dollars.
Thanks, Johnny.
We appreciate it.
He said, Can you go back during the pre recorded days and answer the super chats?
That's a reasonable request.
That is, oh, it was okay.
What was it?
All right, so Johnny Randolph had one.
It was a hundred dollar super chat, very generous.
We appreciate it.
He said, Please help me understand.
Your hate for Israel and the Jews.
All right, it's not a good start, but we'll go on.
Does it not say, I think he's going to talk about scripture here.
Does the Bible not say those who bless Israel will be blessed?
No, it actually does not say that.
Great question.
No.
It seems to vary one way or the other depending on the church you attend.
Could you explain how and why you feel that way for clarity?
Okay, so first and foremost, I don't hate Jews, not all Jews in a universal sense, each and every single Jew.
I had a conversation with a friend the other day.
We were talking about, well, how would you define anti Semitism, Joel, is what he was asking me.
He's like, what do you, if you don't think that you fit the bill, then how would you define anti Semitism?
So, first, I would say I think that anti Semitism is a made up word, it's a Marxist communist word to.
To crudgel, you know, goyim into being subservient to Jews.
So I don't really like the word.
But, you know, for the sake of humoring the question, let's say anti Semitism, that it's actually a thing.
I can't do it.
I can't.
I can't.
We're going to have to call it something else.
We'll have to say a sinful hatred of Jews.
Okay.
Sinful hatred of Jews.
Okay.
So the question was from my friend, you know, so what would constitute a sinful hatred of Jews?
And I answered it by saying this I said, If it's universal and unjustifiable, so without cause, without reason, and universal, right?
Not just per capita, but for every man, woman, and child without discrimination.
So I'm hating every single Jewish person and doing it a hatred that goes beyond any moral justification, beyond any legitimate wrongdoing.
And in my unjustified universal hatred of all Jews.
That it is to the point of wishing and actively desiring their physical, cultural, economic, or especially spiritual, eternal harm or destruction.
I think that that would be sin.
So let me say it again.
So, what would be a sinful hatred of Jews?
A sinful, aka anti Semitism, actual anti Semitism.
What would be actual anti Semitism?
Sinful hatred of Jews?
A universal.
Right, so not collective, not like Paul with the Cretans, where he's like all Cretans, but he's speaking in generalities.
All Cretans are liars and lazy beats and gluttons, and he says, This is true.
And what he's saying is it per capita in general.
Now, we know that he doesn't mean all in the sense of each and every individual Cretan.
Why?
Because he literally leaves Titus in Crete to plant churches and appoint Titus chapter one.
This is why I left you in Crete around Cretans to put what remains in the church in order, appointing elders.
Where's he going to find these elders from Cretans?
So, Paul is literally leaving a son in the faith in a Cretan church filled with Cretans and saying, Here are the standards, the qualifications for elders, and I believe that you'll be able to find some Cretan men who fit that bill.
And also, all Cretans are liars and lazy.
So, Paul, yes, he uses the word all, but in that context, it's a general blanket statement.
So, he's saying this is generally true, not all, meaning universal, each and every.
Individual.
So, what constitutes a sinful hatred of Jews?
In my opinion, in Joel Webb's opinion, a universal hatred and not just universal, but a universal and unjustifiable hatred, right?
Without cause, without reason, and a universal and unjustifiable hatred of all Jews to the point of actively wishing or desiring toward them their harm and destruction, physically, economically, emotionally, spiritually.
Etc.
And based off of that standard, I do not have any sinful hatred towards Jews.
I want those who have dual citizenship, whether it be in Israel or any other country for that matter, not to serve office in my country.
I would prefer for them not to be able to vote in my country.
And I would want those who are Jews, who are recent transplants from Israel, who have not been in America for multiple generations.
Likewise, not to be able to vote or hold office in my country.
Beyond that, I would like pornography to be abolished, absolutely banned outright with strict penalties for anyone who breaks the rule.
And I acknowledge that that would affect many people, but disproportionately, it would affect Jewish people.
I would like exorbitant forms of usury to be abolished with strong penalties, which would affect many people, but disproportionately, Jewish people, right?
Those are the kinds of things.
And then I also would ban mosques, but also synagogues.
Absolutely.
No false worship in these United States.
Those are the kinds of things that I would like to see.
Beyond that, no, I'm not of the position that I have never, ever uttered or even thought in the recesses of my heart.
I would like to see, you know, Israel just.
Completely, you know, go up in a mushroom cloud and for the never to be the United States foreign policy position, yeah, nuke Tel Aviv, right?
That's no, that's never been the United States foreign policy position, stop partnering with Israel, right?
Leave them alone and stop calling them our greatest ally, stop giving them money and stop, um, and stop bombing Iran and other countries on their behalf.
But no, we have never said, um, and then you know, pivot your your nukes and and now start nuking Israel.
That's never been our position.
So, what you know, to be fair to the question, what would constitute again.
Sinful hatred, it would be things like that.
It would be I want every Jew in America rounded up, even those who have not, they're not serving office, they're not breaking the laws, they're not involved in pornography, they're not involved in central banking and usury and exorbitant interest rates, they're not doing any of those things.
But I still, I want them rounded up and physically harmed.
That would be wrong.
Or the whole nation of Israel, I want it blown off the face of the map.
I think that would be wrong.
But all the things that I've espoused, None of those are sinful.
The only reason Christians think they're sinful is again, you're not Christian.
You're either a Lib or you're a Zionist or you're a Judeo Christian, but you are not Christian.
Your deepest, truest commitment is not to biblical, historic Christianity.
And that's why, for you, anyone who is not subservient to Jews is somehow committing blasphemy, is somehow committing heresy, because your orthodoxy is something other than the historic Christian faith once and for all passed down to the saints.
And I just wish we could be honest about that.
I would so appreciate my detractor saying, Joel will never stop coming from you.
We'll never stop coming after you.
We'll never stop hating you.
And yes, of course, by the way, we are not historic Christians.
Just say it.
It feels so good for you, not just for me, but for you.
You would just feel so good.
You'd be able to sleep at night.
The weight of your conscience would just be lifted, light as air, just to be able to admit publicly to yourself and to others, and most importantly to God.
At the end of the day, the Christian faith did not exist until 1948.
Just say.
Right.
I'm going to hit too just on.
So, we quoted scripture where he says, God blesses those who bless Israel.
I'm going to read the actual passages because what he's citing is Genesis 12, 3.
That's not actually quite what it says.
And Paul in the New Testament gives the Holy Spirit inspired interpretation of that verse.
So, just quickly, Genesis 12, 2 through 3, this is God talking.
And I will make of you, Abraham, a great nation.
And I will bless you.
And I will make your name great so that you will be a blessing.
I will bless those who bless Israel?
No.
I will bless those who bless you.
Abraham and him who dishonors you, I will curse, and in you shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
And now Paul comes in, this is Galatians, so some people kind of reneging, they're kind of adding circumcision in with Christ.
Paul says, No, no, no, know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.
So, who is it that's blessed in Abraham?
The sons of faith.
And Paul exposits that's right.
And the scripture foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham.
Now he's about to quote that verse saying, In you shall the nations be blessed.
So, then, those who are of faith.
Are the blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith?
Amen.
What's in view when God blesses Abraham?
There is an actual promise to his physical descendants of physical land.
There's a surface level physical application.
And it was fulfilled.
And there's a higher spiritual eternal application.
Absolutely.
Both.
Here's the funny thing though, even with the physical one, because the more crafty Judeo Christians out there would say, well, yeah, we understand that the highest conclusion of this promise is to spiritual Israel, the church, those who have faith in Christ.
But there's still a very super duper special thing for ethnic Israel.
Well, here's the thing.
Again, it's not Israel, it's Abraham.
You and your descendants, through you, all the nations of the earth would be blessed.
Well, here's the thing Abraham was the father of many nations, not just one.
So, if you want to go that route and talking about the physical aspect, number one, the spiritual is of what is in view in the New Testament in the mind of the apostles.
That's what's most important.
And that is particularly belonging to Christians, spiritual Israel, the children of the promise, the children of faith.
But even if you want to say, well, but there's still a physical aspect, we would agree.
But even on those terms, the physical aspect, you know who that includes in the case of Abraham?
Well, it doesn't just include Israel, that is the man named Jacob, his grandson, whose name was changed to Israel, who had 12 sons and all their tribes.
Well, it would also pertain to Ishmael and certain nations that came from him that are currently at war with Israel.
I was about to say that still live in the same geographical region.
Correct.
Because the blessing was you, Abraham.
And from you and your descendants, you are the father of many nations, and I will make many nations great.
So, the physical aspect is not just that Israel as an ethnic nation state would be blessed for centuries by God, all the way up until the coming of Christ, and then ultimately 8070, where God ultimately judged Israel for their rejection of him and their rejection of Christ.
But even on those grounds, you would have to say, well, the promise wasn't just to Israel.
It's kind of like the Canaan thing.
Well, it's not just Canaan, it's Ham.
Generally, and not just Canaan, particularly.
Well, it's not just Israel, particularly, but it's Abraham generally, right?
And Abraham had more descendants than just Jacob, that is, Israel.
And some of those descendants, like Ishmael, also became fathers of nations, which means that Abraham genetically would be the father even above that, above Ishmael.
And those are nations that all the Judeo Christians very much do not want to be blessed.
Yeah.
And I prefer the interpretation that the Gazans are not blessing the whole world.
It's just, no.
God fulfilled those promises.
It says in Joshua, He fulfilled the physical promises and the spiritual promises.
That's right.
They're ours in Christ.
Amen.
Follow Us Live Today00:01:33
All right.
Well, that's a doozy for you.
That last 35 minutes came in hot.
Last 35 minutes was just a freebie.
That was not even the point of the episode.
But, you know, here's the deal, right?
This was about race.
But in preparation, Wes and I were standing looking at the mirror and we pointed at ourselves and we said, The episode's about race, but you get in there and you make it about Israel.
And we did.
Praise God.
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