Joel Webbin, Michael Belch, and Wesley Todd critique Kash Patel's FBI swearing-in on the Bhagavad Gita as a dangerous precedent undermining Christian supremacy in America. They argue that Enlightenment-era egalitarianism eroded biblical hierarchies, leading to rapid, unconstitutional assimilation of incompatible immigrants while advocating for heritage citizenship limits. The hosts contrast Trump's strategic Hindu outreach with Biden's hypocrisy, insisting federal oaths must be biblical or nonexistent to preserve a unified national culture rooted in one God before promoting their upcoming "Christ is King" conference. [Automatically generated summary]
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This past Friday, Kash Patel was sworn in as the director of the FBI.
In a trend that has picked up steam, Director Patel took his oath of office not on the Bible, but on the Bhagavad Gita, a Hindu scripture.
While we're big fans of Kash Patel cleaning house of the corruption that the FBI has come to embody, and we believe that he's going to do a good job, what exactly does it say for the future of our still majority Christian nation when our representatives and office holders pledge their allegiance to these United States under the witness?
Of demon gods.
Can a house divided stand?
Now, to be clear, the Constitution does in fact state in Article VI that no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States, and unfortunately, the founders, for the most part, literally meant that.
Thomas Jefferson, for example, celebrated an amendment in a bill to protect all religions in Virginia that explicitly removed the name of Jesus Christ and wrote, That the legislators were intent on protecting, and I quote here, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindu and the infidel of every denomination, end quote, from any type of discrimination.
Expanded religious freedoms like this at the state level prior to ratification of the Constitution in 1788 paved the way for the vague secular language of our Constitution.
That we've come to know today.
So, what do we do with this?
Perhaps at the time, coming out of intense religious persecution, insistence on complete religious freedom was necessary to stave off the unholy union of church authority wielding the power of the state.
But today, with religious pluralism and the decline of the West, what was perhaps once necessary to protect against overzealousness is now a roadblock.
Cash delightedly declared at CPAC that the American dream is not merely for Americans, but for the world.
But is it?
Does the prosperity and opportunities of America belong to the world with all her various cultures and false religions?
Or should America be for Americans and for unapologetic exaltation of the supremacy of Christ and the Christian faith?
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Never Quit The American Dream00:14:59
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If you are joining us for the first time, I'm Joel Webbin.
We also have Michael Belch and we have our very own Wesley Todd.
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Today, we're going to be talking about our nation, America, the founding, the Constitution, some of the founding fathers, and things that they said.
You saw some of the quotes right there in the cold open.
But I think the best way to kick it off, just so that we can jump right into the meat of this conversation, is to play the clip that was going around that I retweeted.
So Nathan, what I'd like to do is play the first clip and then let's show the tweet that I sent out that a lot of people loved and more people hated.
Place your hand on the guitar and raise your right hand.
I do solemnly swear I touch up the most of you, I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
Foreign and domestic, against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that I take this obligation freely, that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of the nation, without any mental reservation or purpose of the nation, and that I will well and faithfully.
And that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.
So help me, God.
So help me God.
Wow, wow, wow, wow.
First and foremost, we were just with President Trump, and I just want to thank him.
I know he's not here in the room right now, but what a ride we have been.
All right, there you have it.
Okay.
Nathan, if you can, I know you're searching for it, but if you can pull up the tweet, here you go.
So I said, freedom of religion in America.
You're free to publicly worship the triune God as a Baptist, Presbyterian.
We could also add, you know, Anglican, Episcopalian, et cetera.
In expressions of Christian worship, Christ alone is Lord of the conscience.
Yes, and amen.
But you are not free to swear by sand demons and hold public office in these United States.
All right.
That was the tweet.
You always loved it, for the record.
I'm sure he is.
But you always know if your tweet is hated by just looking at the ratio of likes to comments.
And anytime the comments are even getting remotely close to the number of likes 50%, then you know you're in trouble.
And this was one of those tweets.
I think it had like.
I don't know, 2,000 likes, which, you know, it's not bad.
No.
But I think it had like 1,000 comments.
Like half a million views.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah.
So this one got, it made the rounds.
And, you know, a lot of people were upset.
A lot of the MAGA people were upset.
And here's the deal for those of you who are regular listeners to the show, then, you know, this is not news to you, but all three of us voted for Donald Trump.
And we didn't just vote for him, but we used the platform that got his.
In his providence, given us, you know, publicly to be able to speak to others.
And we did our best to encourage and make a biblical theological argument for other Christians voting for Donald Trump.
And so not only did we personally do it, but we encouraged others to vote for Trump.
And, um, and cash being sworn in, uh, on a Hindu sacred text, the Bhagavad Gita, none of that is a surprise.
So it's not like, oh, you know, like I feel like some, you know, some of the, you know, more, I don't know, I don't even know how to, what category to place them in.
Some of them would be theonomic, some of them abolitionists, some of, you know, like, But some of the Christians that didn't vote for Trump would be like, Ha, look, they saw my tweet, and they're like, Ha, look, you shield for Trump, voted for Trump, and here's this happening.
So I guess the first thing I want to lead off with is none of us were surprised.
So when I tweeted that out, it wasn't from a place of shock and awe.
It wasn't like, Oh my goodness, Trump.
It turns out that Trump is not a devout Christian.
You're telling me this for the first time?
I had no idea.
You know, like Trump has appointees who practice other religions.
Like, no, of course.
Like, none of us were surprised knowing this.
For one, we already knew it.
Number two, now this being confirmed, if we could go back in time, guess who I would be voting for?
Donald J. Trump.
Long live the king.
I'm very happy with my vote.
What we've been seeing.
I think, if anything, has been an incredible blessing.
A lot of the executive orders that keep coming out of the White House have been precisely what we voted for.
And so we're very happy about that.
And I also want to say so that's somewhat of a defense of Trump, but more particular to the topic at hand, a defense of cash.
All three of us think he's going to do a great job.
He might surprise us, he might do a bad job that's possible, but if we had to bet, all three of us would say, yeah, I think that's a pretty good pick.
And Dan Bongino as deputy director of the FBI.
That's a really good pick.
Put it through the wood chipper.
Yep.
So, yeah, we are excited.
We think that one of the things that, you know, our prayers is that every three letter agency in America would be ripped to shreds and the FBI would be no exception.
We would, if anything, we'd say, especially the FBI and the CIA.
And we think that Cash is going to do a great job of that.
So we're very grateful that he was actually confirmed.
But the principle still stands.
All right.
We like Donald Trump.
But first and foremost, we serve King Jesus.
And so I put out that tweet knowing that a lot of people in the MAGA camp.
That are, you know, some of them are Christian, but there are plenty that are kind of Christless conservatives.
I knew that they were not going to like that tweet.
And I knew that we've picked up some followers along the way over the last six months as, you know, we entered into an election year cycle and we started, you know, positively promoting Donald Trump.
I knew that we had picked up some followers that we would probably lose with a tweet like that and an episode like we're doing today.
But here's the deal we voted for Trump because we felt like he was the best.
It's part of it is just you have to understand politics, politics is the realm of the possible.
We felt like it was the best viable option that we had.
Now, notice the word viable, right?
I have personal Christian friends who wrote in my name.
I didn't do that.
Hang on.
You guys didn't do that, but I know guys who did.
And, you know, I mean, it's like, I guess it's flattering, but I wish you wouldn't.
I wish you would have, you know, a viable option.
I'm not a viable option.
I wish you would have voted for Trump.
And so we voted for Trump because we thought that was the right decision and still think that.
But we said all along, That we want to work towards Trump getting elected because we feel like it's the best viable option in the year of our Lord 2024, November, for our country in terms of presidential viable options that were available to us.
And then we would also simultaneously, right?
You can walk and chew gum at the same time.
So we would promote Trump in his election.
And then we would also do our Christian duty to call him to account along the way.
So we're glad that Trump is president.
And also, Trump needs to end IVF.
And cash, do the country proud, do a great job.
We're rooting for you.
We're inclined to believe that you're going to do a great job.
But at the macro level, we do not need people holding public federal office swearing on sacred texts from false religions.
So all these things can be true at once.
Glad Trump's the president.
Cash is probably going to do a good job.
We're rooting for him.
And also, as Nacho Libre would say, get that coin out of my face.
Get that sacred text that I'm going to give the Correct pronunciation here.
I think it's hibaga booga.
How do you say it?
The Bagavita.
Yeah, higa booga.
Get that out of our country.
No, that is not what freedom of religion means.
You are free to worship the one true God, not according to the dictates of man, man made commandments, but ultimately according to the word of God and the conscience as it's shaped by the word and the spirit.
Freedom of religion that means anything beyond that.
And we will point out.
It's kind of a bummer.
This is going to be a little bit of a black pill episode today.
We're going to point out that freedom of religion for many of the founders allows for this, turns out.
So, what we're saying is, yeah, we acknowledge the history, but it shouldn't.
And precedent matters.
So, we don't want to make light of precedent.
But wherever you find a bad precedent in history or in government or politics or whatever it may be, wherever there's a bad precedent, that makes it an uphill battle.
That makes it exponentially more difficult to change.
But bad precedents should not be allowed just because it's a precedent.
That was the same argument from the left.
Didn't we just learn this lesson?
But Roe is the precedent.
For 50 years, Roe has been enshrined as law and blah, blah, even though it was never technically law.
But you can't just upend and overturn a 50 year, half a century precedent.
Turns out you can.
You can just do things, turns out.
And when it's in line with the word of God and honoring to the Lord Jesus Christ, you should.
You should.
And so, yes, I am working for an America.
Cash, I think, is an incremental step.
I know, bad word, incremental, pragmatic, right?
Let's throw out all the curse words while we're at it.
It's a pragmatic, incremental step in the right direction, given the lay of the land and the available, viable options we have today.
But I want to work towards a future for my grandchildren where, Their civil officers swear on the Bible.
Yeah, a certain vice president said something very similar to that recently.
Yeah, there you go.
So, none of this episode, I don't think, will be spicy.
I mean, people find it spicy because their brain is broken, but I think it will still be helpful and informative because we're going to get into a little bit of history.
So, that gives you the clip, that gives you my tweet.
Now, what I'd like to do, real quick, is just play our second clip.
All right, so I got a little bit of vindication, but here's the deal.
What's the old saying about gossip, like the rumor?
You know, before you can cash around the world before you lace up your boots.
Before the truth laces up its boots.
The rumor gets halfway across the world before the truth can even lace up its boots.
So I got a little bit of vindication, but the old adage proved to be true once again that, in terms of the algorithm, not nearly as many people saw my second tweet as they saw my first.
But you have cash being sworn in on a Hindu sacred text, which is a false religion that worships false gods.
And then, you know, I gave my tweet saying, ah, not great.
Don't like it.
Do not like it.
And then a bunch of people, you know, said, well, don't you know that he's going to be good?
And it's like, yeah, two things can be true at once.
This still don't like this.
This is not good.
This is a bad precedent.
And then I love this the Lord in his providence and sovereignty, he proves to be faithful time and time again.
I don't even know if we finished a 48 hour cycle before this next clip emerged where Cash is giving a speech and, uh, Turns out that the guy who is the son of immigrants from a foreign land and who worships foreign gods might not have heritage Americans at the forefront of his mind when it comes to their best interests.
Crazy, shocking, I know, shocking.
So, Nathan, can we go ahead and play that second?
I am living the world's American dream.
I am the son of lawful immigrants.
We worked our tails off just like you all do.
And I'm going to make you a deal.
I promise you, I will never quit on your children.
I will never.
Quit on their children because this American dream does not belong to me.
It does not belong to them.
This American dream belongs to the world.
So he says to Americans, as an American civil magistrate at the federal level, he says, I will never quit on your children because, okay, it's like, that sounds good.
Thanks.
You're going to fight for my children.
I will never quit on your children, Joel, because the thing that I could quit on for your children actually doesn't belong to your children, but belongs to the world.
I'm like, oh gosh, could you maybe please quit on my children if that's, you know, like actually, it would be great if you quit on my children if the thing that you're going to fight for is, in your own words, Making sure that the thing that I want my children to own and to have, if your ethos is that that doesn't actually even belong to my children, but it belongs to foreign children in foreign lands somewhere else.
No, the American, I understand the historical origins of the American dream and that it did include in it immigration, that I could go to America.
That was one of the appeals.
That was one of the appeals that I could go to America and have opportunity.
Right?
Not free money.
Hypocrisy In Second Generation Faith00:15:09
It wasn't supposed to be that, but opportunity, freedom of religion, these kinds of things.
I understand that.
But the problem right now is that the American dream seems as though it's been made available to anyone and everyone except for Americans.
Right?
Like if you could make it available to everyone in the world, great.
But it seems as though the only way you can do that is at the cost of making it not available to us and to our posterity, right?
Another thing that the founders talked about to us and our posterity, not to us and India's posterity.
But to our posterity.
The founders were thinking about the future of their children, not Eskimo children, not Indian children, not Pakistanis.
They weren't thinking, let's give our lives and bleed out and die so that Pakistani children can learn about transgenderism.
That's not what it's supposed to be for your people.
That's not racism.
There are different peoples among the earth.
God established that, God did that.
And it's glorious and wonderful in His sight.
The idea of every tribe, tongue, and nation in heaven worshiping before.
Even that, what's baked into it, an assumption baked into that verse in Revelation is if we're going to have multiple different nations in heaven worshiping together in unity, you would think that the only way that could be accomplished is if distinct nations actually were sustained and continued here on earth until that final day.
So God set up nations.
The book of Acts, chapter 17, says He sets their borders and their times when nations rise and nations fall.
Not every nation makes it for thousands of years.
In fact, pretty much none of them do.
So nations.
Change, people's change.
We did a whole episode on that.
But there is something to be said for my people.
My people, in the ultimate eternal spiritual sense, are brothers and sisters in the Lord, Christians.
You are a holy race.
Holy, yeah.
All that's biblical, but it's not either or, it's both and.
So I have people in that sense, the spiritual eternal sense.
And then I also have my people in the national sense, in an ethnic sense.
And yes, I don't wish harm on any people.
But I have a preference for my people.
Let me say that again.
I don't have racial animus or wish harm on any people, but I have a preference for my people.
I love my children.
This is going to be a wild claim, super controversial.
I love my children more than I love your children, dear listener.
And I also don't hate your children, but I love mine more.
And I love my nation more than I love India, but I don't hate India.
And so I'm starting to detect a theme.
A bit of a theme here.
Nathan, do we have that last tweet that I put out?
Where I basically, you know, I retweeted this second clip.
There it is.
I said, no, the American dream does not belong to the world.
It belongs to Americans.
I'm noticing a pattern between this guy and Vivek Ramaswamy.
Is there perhaps anything that they might have in common that's ultimately incompatible with Heritage America?
And of course, you know, the bad faith listener is immediately going to say, he means they're both brown.
They are both brown.
That's true.
But what I was thinking is that they both are Hindu.
They both worship false gods, foreign gods from foreign nations, and they both are Hindu.
Immigrants.
Now, I'm not saying first generation immigrants.
Cash, from his own words, is second generation.
His parents were immigrants.
He's second generation.
In the 90s, they came over about.
So is Vivek.
And so is Vivek.
Yeah.
Right.
But, and we've covered this before, but a little bit of general equity theonomy, you know, still slightly holding my theonomy card here, at least the general equity.
Don't give it up.
Don't give it up, Joel.
General equity theonomy.
Even for Israel, when people would immigrate into Israel, number one, there was no illegal immigration.
So the sojourner, you know, the stranger, it's like, Well, Jesus said, you know, like, you know, what you've done for the least of these, my brothers, and that means, you know, illegal immigrants.
No, that means Christians.
Oh, well, okay, fine, but the Old Testament says, you know, that you should care for the sojourner and the immigrant.
Yeah, but they're not illegal immigrants.
And as Michael has said so wisely, these were people who were passing through.
They came and they weren't going to stay indefinitely.
But for those who came and did stay, your Rahabs, your Rufs, you know, people like that, there were people who came in and immigrated for good, but here's the deal number one, they assimilated.
And to be fair, they assimilated predominantly.
They did it religiously, culturally, geographically, all these ways.
They also did it through marriage.
They intermarried.
So that eventually, not them, not even necessarily their children, but by the time you got to grandchildren, great grandchildren, it's like, yeah, they're Israelites.
And the last thing I was going to say, real quick, with a general equity piece, is for those who did immigrate and assimilate into Israel, the Bible says, the Old Testament teaches that it's not until the third generation and some nations that were less compatible.
With Israel, they had to wait.
Because of past betrayal.
Because of past betrayal and things like that, they had to wait till the 10th generation.
But for the average nation, it wasn't until the third generation that they would have all the equal rights of a heritage Israelite, if we could use that term.
And so my point is, I think the general equity should be applied here.
That number one, like we just need no immigration for a while because we've been so crazy on immigration.
We've had basically no borders.
But eventually, maybe it's 20 years from now, 50 years, whatever.
Eventually, we would have legal, prudential, mitigated immigration.
But even with that, I, as a general equity theonomist and applying Old Testament principles, it's not a one to one ratio Israel this, so therefore America that.
But the general equity means you look at a civil code, not moral law, but a civil code given to Israel.
You extract from it the general equity, the overarching moral principle.
And then with prudence, you apply that to your situation, context today.
And I think that the application would be that you do not attain full citizenship and voting rights and these kinds of things.
And certainly you do not attain the status to where you can be a federal civil magistrate in a serious position until at least the third generation, which would, I think with Vivek, definitely with Cash, would knock both of them out.
And then it's like, well, that's ridiculous and that doesn't make sense.
And this is, you know, MAGA needs to get rid of all the Christian zealots.
You guys are holding back the team.
Well, okay, you say that.
And then over Christmas, Vivek says, of all you MAGA guys, he says, you all watch too much TV in Boy Meets World and you're all stupid, you know, and you all were doing your, you know, football when you should have been doing, you know, some kind of violin lessons.
And then, like, literally gets kicked out of Doge because turns out, oh, the guy from India who's only been here, like, as a second generation, turns out he's, and who's not a Christian.
And as a Hindu, turns out that he's not as profoundly and deeply committed towards heritage Americans and our way of life as he let on.
And now he's literally been doing an apology tour for the last three months where he's going to trying to be Ricky Bobby at Talladega Nights, you know, and doing all the quintessential American things, you know, like I like hot dogs too, you know, like what's the meme?
Like greetings, fellow Americans.
Here I am grilling my hamburgers.
In my flannel.
Right.
In my flannel.
It's like, well, wait, you're at Talladega Nights, you know, like doing the race car thing.
But didn't you just say that you should have been with your kids at a math competition?
Isn't this a bit.
So, my point is whether it's Vivek with H1B, and we've got to have immigrants because America's kind of stupid and all the geniuses are over there in India, or whether it's Kash saying, I will fight for your children.
And what does that look like?
It means making sure that the American dream doesn't belong to them, but it belongs to the world.
Yeah, I don't think it's a coincidence that both of these guys came on the scene as like deeply conservative American Hindus.
And then turns out both of them have a little bit of a worldview.
Stephen will forgive me for using that word a little bit of a whatever, a systematic way of thinking that's actually not maybe in the best interest of us Americans and our posterity.
And so I just want to, there's the elephant in the room.
I just want to name it.
I still think Cash will do a good job.
I think he's probably a great guy.
We could probably get a beer and get along just fine.
I don't have any kind of racial animus towards him.
Probably not a steak.
Probably not a steak.
Yeah, maybe not a steak.
We could have a salad together, you know.
But yeah, I think he's probably a great guy.
I think he's probably the guy for the job.
I think he's going to do a good job.
But the precedent matters.
And then the last thing I'm going to say, and then I'll give it to you guys.
I'm sorry.
But another kind of counter that I saw in my comments and people retweeting me was well, here's the last, you know, 10 people that swore on a Bible Joe Biden.
Nancy Pelosi, you know, like James Coney, former director of the FBI, corrupt as the day is long.
Right.
And I'm sitting here and I'm like, yes, of course they did.
You're right.
So you can always have hypocrites.
But I've said it before and I think it's fitting for this episode.
It's relevant.
So I'm going to say it again.
Hypocrisy is vice paying tribute to virtue.
Hypocrisy, as bad as it is, is actually not the worst thing.
The worst thing is when there's no need.
For hypocrisy, because all virtue, all semblance of virtue has been completely shredded to pieces.
And now vice doesn't even have to pretend to be virtue, but it can just be celebrated in and of itself.
And so, my point is, precedence matters.
The same thing happened with King Charles and his coronation.
I remember, you know, all your typical Anabaptists were like, this is why we don't need Christian nationalism.
You know, they use it as a gotcha for the Christian nationalist bros.
And they're like, here's your Christian nationalism.
Ha ha, King Charles, you bet he.
I bet he's regenerate, huh?
I bet he really loves Jesus, huh?
Defender of the faith over there.
So here's all your outward symbols and signs and all the Christian optic, all the Christian veneer.
But we know he's not a Christian and they're not doing Christian things.
Yes.
But what's the alternative?
That's my question what's the alternative?
What we're saying is that precedent matters.
And we've been consistent on this all the way back to the primaries, the presidential primaries, when Vivek was running for president.
We said, yeah, his rhetoric is pretty good.
He's young.
He's got vitality.
He's a charismatic leader.
He's engaging.
All these different things.
But we publicly said, I know that I said, but he will not have my vote.
And the reason why is because of Pandora's box.
It's back to the point of precedent.
Precedent is hard to overturn.
And so my thought was okay, so you get the conservative, I like the founding fathers Hindu.
Okay, but who's the next Hindu going to be?
Right.
You get a Hindu president and then you get a Muslim president.
Yep.
Like, here's the deal every single one of our presidents in our history, every single one of them has claimed to be a Christian.
And again, the pietistic.
JFK being a Catholic was a big deal in the 60s.
That was a big deal.
Wouldn't you even have a Catholic president?
Not a non Christian, but.
Right.
And all the pietistic Christians, they look at that and they think that that's like their smoking gun for why Christian nationalism is a bust and it's a joke and they'll never.
Like, well, all the presidents have claimed to be Christians.
And I would say.
Yeah, and praise God for it.
My position is not, they've all claimed to be Christians, and they were.
No, I'm not dumb.
I wasn't born yesterday.
I know that Joe Biden is going to hell unless God miraculously intervenes and he repents of his sin and puts faith in Jesus.
That dude's not a regenerate Christian.
Of course he's not.
But the precedent matters.
It matters that we have never had a female president.
Praise God.
We rejected the opportunity twice.
We were so real for that.
Let's go, America.
Let's go.
We've never had a female president.
By God's grace, I hope we never do.
We've never had a non Christian, at least not non Christian.
Non professing Christian precedent.
Praise God.
There are certain precedents that, even if it's the mere optic, it still matters.
Hypocrisy is vice tipping the hat to virtue, paying tribute to virtue.
And I'd rather have that than not even the acknowledgement of virtue at all.
That's why it matters.
Okay.
Here's why this matters too.
Right now, the Republican Party, Trump did something interesting.
Normally, like Teddy Roosevelt, he formed a third party, kind of ran, siphoned off votes.
There's been a lot of impetus in the past.
I'm going to run with the libertarians or going to create a new political party.
Trump did something unique.
He took over the existing one.
He has, in the space of eight years, for better or for worse, he has taken over the Republican Party.
He's remade it into his image.
And right now, in these next couple of years, before our next presidential election, before the primaries, all of this, is a crucial moment of the question what is MAGA going to be?
What is the Republican Party going to be?
And the future is a lot more wide open than it was in 2012 when Romney lost.
What was on the horizon then?
Just like another Bush, Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan, I don't know.
Like there was a much more narrow view.
This is what the party is going to be.
This is what conservatives will look like.
Trump blew all that wide open.
And so we're in this uncharted territory.
And it's up to us collectively, as the millions and millions of individuals that vote more conservative, what is this party going to look like?
Here's another great example Scott Pressler.
He is an out gay man who knocked on doors till his fingers bled in Pennsylvania and probably turned the tide for Trump in the crucial swing state.
Of Pennsylvania.
And so when you say, like, well, no, we don't want the Republican Party to embrace activists and these marriages that, in and of themselves, aren't marriages, we don't actually want you in a party.
And there's a civil war going on right now.
And those were the people, Joel, that were attacking you.
Wait, wait, I just was able to bring myself to vote for Trump.
And now I got to deal with this bigot.
And so that's what's going to be determined in the next few years.
Are we going to be a Christian conservative or Christian nationalist, maybe be the better term, a Christian nationalist platform party?
Is that what JD Vance is going to run on if he runs in 2028?
Or are we going to be.
Well, we're okay with gay people, just not transgenderism.
We're okay with Hindus, but as long as there's not statutes in downtown.
Oh, there are those.
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So, this is not bash the cash.
We love cash, we think it'll do a great job, but it is a serious moment to discern what we are actually going to look like in five years.
Amen.
Michael, thoughts?
No, the stuff I was going to say, better things have been said.
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So, in America, this is what we're going to talk about the founding fathers.
And then we're going to talk about how do we have a politics of future past here in the last segment.
We'll take some questions, already seen some.
But the founding fathers, I talked with both of you kind of individually.
And unfortunately, the reality on the ground, right?
We always have these ideas, we have these stories that we tell ourselves.
Well, the founding fathers were this or that.
We have neat little boxes and a nice little narrative and a story.
And those are necessary.
But ultimately, the reality of it is a lot more complex.
One of the big things, Ryan Reeves, he's a professor of church history at Gordon Conwell.
He talks about this a lot that in America, literally just seems like in our bones, in our conception of ourselves, is a very anti hierarchical, anti authority streak.
You think of the denominations that have done the best here in the United States.
They would be, at least most conservative ones, Southern Baptists.
They're not hierarchical like Rome, they don't have bishops like Anglicanism.
They're very low church.
The president of the Southern Baptist Convention has barely any authority.
It's really just A loose kind of collection of Baptist churches committed to a very simple statement of faith.
And that runs, even Alexis de Tocqueville talks about this, this runs all the way through our founding.
This runs through the Puritans and this runs through especially the founders as they cast off the yoke of England, they cast off the yoke of the king and say, We want to be a self determined people.
Now, that instinct, I think, is really good.
And that's actually, I think, what makes men and then taken more broadly, a collection of men, a nation, makes them actually achieve what they set out to do.
It's their aggression, it's their initiative.
They say, We have a king that's telling us to do this, that, or the other.
We're taxed without representation.
We're going to maybe be made to buy this tea at certain prices.
And we say, heck no, we're not going to take any of that.
We are our own people.
And so it's this really good instinct.
And even in a young man, I think I would commend that instinct.
I'll be honest, I have a bit of an anti authority streak in my life that I've had to work to sanctify and to purge, to submit to proper authorities, but then also at the same time say, well, that emperor has no clothes.
And I don't think that's a rule or a command that I have to follow.
But there comes a point, like I was alluding to personally, where even if people have to say, but there are some rules, there are some hierarchies, there are some structures.
That are really good.
So, going to the Constitution, you had obviously the Declaration of Independence in 1776, and the Revolutionary War is waged until 1783.
After the war ends, there's a huge question of what do we do about a government?
You had the Federalist Papers, you had the Anti Federalists, you had speeches and essays, and a massive amount of conflict, and it all comes together in the delegation of states that come together to ratify the U.S. Constitution in 1788.
Now, the Declaration of the United States includes reference to the Creator and to nature's God.
But in the Constitution of our United States, and this pains me to acknowledge, we have no reference.
And this actually isn't something, well, like none of these, no nations did that.
Nate, if you could pull up Infograph One, I just pulled this to kind of show even just some reference to God.
For example, the Constitution of Canada.
And this is from 1982.
So this is not, you know, in 1600.
It's not their original charter.
It's not their original charter.
This is in 1982.
For those listening, the Constitution of Canada states, whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize.
The supremacy of God and the rule of law.
The Constitution of Ireland, this is one of the best ones.
In the name of the most holy Trinity, from whom is all authority and to whom is our final end, all actions of both men and states must be referred.
We, as the people of Ayr, humbly acknowledge all our obligations to our divine Lord, Jesus Christ.
Love it.
The Constitution of the Confederate States of America, 1861.
We, the people of the Confederate States, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution.
Many, many nations, many nation states at the time, they chose to explicitly acknowledge.
We maybe wouldn't pick ourselves as Protestants.
Like even this Ireland one, it's really good, but it would be pan Christian, Protestant, Catholic, et cetera.
But in the Constitution of the United States, you see none of that.
We, of course, know Thomas Jefferson, who at best was maybe a deist.
Benjamin Franklin, same thing, deist at best.
George Washington, it just, most of the time, the witnesses of him going to church, he would abstain from taking.
Communion and there are ways of explaining that, but yeah, yep, but at a high level, George Washington was definitely more than Jefferson or Franklin, the closest to what we would know as an evangelical Christian, yes, today.
And you had good Christians like uh John Jay, for example, great Christian men, John Adams, but when it came to the Constitution and specifically Article VI, as we talked about these public tests of office, the founders found it necessary that they just couldn't put the language in, they had to get all these different states to ratify it, all of these different things.
And so ultimately, even Benjamin Franklin, he spoke in favor of a daily prayer that we brought before Congress.
So, if we're not going to put these words then necessarily in our Constitution, in our Bill of Rights, this, that, or the other, could we at least have daily prayer?
And it was actually voted down by the delegates.
And so it's interesting because you would think if it was just about naming, if it was just about words on paper, and the United States has had an explicit refusal to do so, that we wouldn't see the prosperity that we've seen.
It's very interesting, and it can be likened to the parable that Jesus tells.
And he speaks of two sons, and the father says to the two sons, Go and do this.
And the one son says, I will, Father.
The Constitution of Ireland, the Constitution of Canada.
And yet he goes and does not do it.
And then there's another son, the father says to do it.
And he ignores or refuses.
But then he goes out and he actually does the work that his father says to do.
America, baby.
And Jesus says, He says, which of those actually did my will?
Which of those were they?
That's a great parable, Wes, to apply to, I think, our nation.
And he says, Who did it?
It wasn't quite there like we wish it was.
Exactly.
But indeed, America has been, in many ways, a wonderful Christian nation.
Let me read this.
This is quote three, Nate.
This is from Chief Justice Tom O'Higgins.
So this was an anti.
Buggery law.
I'll just leave it at that.
If you know what it is, you know what it is.
Where an appeal for being punished under this law was so well, you're just punishing me for this law, the appellant said, because of our Christian heritage and ultimately that's interference of church and state.
In 1983, so your grandparents, anyone's grandparents, were alive at this time.
Michael, you were probably alive at this time.
Oh, you were?
Yep.
Chief Justice Tom O'Higgins says this It cannot be doubted that the people so asserting and acknowledging their obligation to our divine Lord Jesus Christ.
We were proclaiming a deep religious conviction and faith and an intention to adopt a constitution consistent with that conviction and faith and with Christian beliefs.
That at the core of it, this was Holy Trinity versus United States in the late 1800s.
We got to the point in 1900 to the turn of the century where 97% of the United States was Protestant.
So we were the sun in many ways in our founding.
Now, some, again, certainly were God fearing, godly, some of them even ministers that signed onto the constitution and.
All of them, at the very least, were deists.
There's not a contingent of 20% atheists that were there.
Like, we're proud, we're card carrying, we're atheists, we're Hindus, this, that, or the other.
So, at the very least, they were deists, and many of them certainly Christian.
But they did avoid the explicit references.
And the chickens are coming home to roost now.
So, our constitution, where it says, like, no, you cannot have any religious test for public office.
Well, now we're in the point that this is what makes the difference.
Before, the vast majority of the world couldn't travel to America, they just couldn't do it.
Through religions and books and scriptures and traditions and practices, they had no conception of.
But that's not the same today.
So it was a law and a constitution that, in its time, served its purpose.
They're coming out of religious persecution in England.
They're saying, we don't want to put this down on the books because we've seen what happens when the church and the state lock arms together and begin to wield the sword.
But today, and this is what we'll get to in the final segment, what does it look like to say we're 250?
Not about 238 years removed from the ratifying of the Constitution.
We're almost 250 years removed from that.
Things have radically changed.
And with honor for the founding fathers, now that honor not blind like we've talked about, recognizing that they could have gone farther, they could have done more, with honor for them, say this was great then.
And it actually really served the purpose because the people themselves obeyed.
The people themselves, the states, for example, had tests of office, states had blue laws, states had all sorts of Christian conceptions.
So, states and individuals did it at our highest level, no, and for a time that worked, but we're no longer in that time anymore.
Gentlemen, thoughts to add?
I think that's well said.
Michael?
Yeah, the other thing to keep in mind here is every person is a product of his time.
We're a product of our time, they were products of their time.
And I've been doing a little bit of research into the Enlightenment, and one of the fundamental impulses of the Enlightenment was a flattening of distinctions.
And it's really interesting because actually, a lot of the Abolitionists in England, like William Wilberforce himself, while he was for the abolition of the slave trade, he was totally opposed to common suffrage for common citizens.
And he was totally opposed to breaking down the distinctions between king and subject.
And it was Edmund Burke also who initially was in favor of abolition and actually ended up changing his mind later on.
And he said that.
The danger of something like abolition at the time was that it would lead to well, there's now no longer employer and employee distinctions.
There's no longer landlord and tenant distinctions.
There's no longer husband and wife hierarchical distinctions.
And one of the things that we just have to understand about that time is the idea of egalitarianism was a new allure.
Now we have seen it for what it is, both through Marxism and through the Enlightenment.
And we can criticize it having looked back.
But at the time, the idea of, yeah, well, equality of people, of all men, all men are created equal, right?
Well, a lot of the men at the time understood that while that is a true and noble sentiment, it is one tiny step away from the breaking down of hierarchies, of other distinctions that God has ordained Himself.
And so when we think about some of these men, like Like Jefferson spent a lot of time in Europe, so did Ben Franklin.
And the ideas coming out of Europe were get rid of distinction, egalitarianism is the way to go.
And so, even as they were beginning to conceive of what the role of a government is with its people, already around Europe, there was this idea that the Christian and they meant European way of doing something is not necessarily the only valid way of doing things.
That was a radical idea that came out of the 1648.
And I can't remember the guy's name.
I was reading some last night.
But just that statement there are other ways of doing things, there are other valid ways of doing things and of conceiving the world rocked the political movement in Europe and in America.
Because what that meant was if another nation of another religion has a valid way of doing something that's not Christian, but we're still going to put the title.
Valid and legitimate way of organizing yourselves, then we now have to honor that way of believing or of organizing yourself or being as a society as equal with our own.
And that single idea, I think, was really the core of a lot of what the Enlightenment Project ended up being.
And so then it's so interesting.
I've seen in the chat a couple of times where people have said, well, other nations.
Chat's on fire today.
Yeah.
Other nations, you know, in other parts of the world don't have this idea that they have to be appointing.
Foreigners to their positions of power.
This is a fundamentally enlightenment position.
We began as Europe to feel guilty that we had insisted on our way around the world, the Christian way.
And European writers begin to say, we can't be so dogmatic.
We don't know everything.
And so, as exploration was happening, they were saying, well, who are we as Europeans to say that the way that people in India or people.
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All Cretans are liars.
That's right.
Lazy beasts and gluttons.
All white people are gullible, cowardly.
Yes.
And this came out of the Enlightenment.
And so, when we see.
I'll own it.
When we see in the Constitution.
And the process of ratifying the Constitution, that they were reluctant and even unable to assist on public Christian principles, that shouldn't surprise us.
That is the allure of what was in the Declaration of Independence.
And in some ways, it was the barb on the hook.
The barb was, we can be our own people.
In many ways, they were no longer Englishmen.
They had been in the colonies for a long time.
The barb was, Well, everyone else gets to be their own people here.
Let me, let me, well said.
Let me engage one guy.
I got one thing to add to that too.
Okay.
Well, if it's with that, go ahead.
Yeah.
De Tocqueville says that in his book that there is a seed of secularism.
And it's not, if you could think of it this way, there's the uppercase constitution, like the constitution, the words on the document.
And then there's the lowercase constitution.
That would be Civil Rights Act.
Sorry, that's uppercase constitution still.
That's the all caps constitution.
That is the all caps constitution.
Then there's the way that people actually function.
Like religious tests of office, like for example, like we never had a Catholic.
There was a de facto functional religious test.
But anyway, all that to say, de Tocqueville said that within America, there is a seed, not in its actions, not in the way it does things, not written on paper, but a seed, or actually on paper, but a seed of secularism.
And he said one of the things that eventually America is going to have to reconcile with, it has its Christian identity, it is suffused with Christian European values, but on paper, it's relatively secular, majorly secular.
It makes these promises and so presciently says, There's going to come a time when these two conflict.
That hundreds of years down the road, the people are going to realize our self conception of ourselves as a Christian people, as a European people, is going to come into conflict with the Declaration of Independence.
It is not legislation, but it's claims.
Obviously, Lincoln invokes it, for example, and the emancipation, but it's claims of all men, free and equal, and all of these rights, unalienable.
They're going to come on a collision course, and we're going to have to do something about it, that the two of them can't coexist.
Together.
Again, that wasn't a problem.
He said that is a problem right now because, like, right now America's flourishing.
I'm witnessing democracy in America and their success and their endeavors and their work ethic and all of that.
Who said that?
Alexis de Tocqueville and his monumental work, Democracy in America.
But he pressingly recognized that there's going to come a point and that might be the point that we're at today.
Like a house divided.
How can you have oaths, people making oaths to different gods and upholding the same office?
I'm just going to get this quote and then I'll give it to you, Joel.
This is John Witherspoon quote, Nate.
John Witherspoon is one of the signers of the Constitution.
He said this.
This is defending the so help me God of public oaths.
An oath is an appeal to God, the searcher of hearts, for the truth of what we say and always express or suppose an imprecation, a calling down of his judgment upon us if we prevaricate and lie.
An oath, therefore, implies a belief in God and his providence, and indeed is an act of worship.
Persons entering on public offices are often obliged to make such an oath that they will faithfully execute their trust.
In vows, there is no party but God and the person himself who makes the vow.
How can a republic work?
If you take that solemn of an oath and a commitment, and it's to 15 different gods, that was a binding thing.
When you swore to God, that was like to do that publicly was enough that people would say that man is not lying because he knows the consequences that are going to be rained down on his head for swearing by the Lord and violating that oath.
Like that was really, that wasn't just ceremony, that was a legitimate safeguard against perjury, lies, and corruption.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Nate, go up in the chat real quick.
All right.
We've got a super chat.
Very generous, right there, Ben.
Ben Huffstedler, super chat for a hundred bucks.
Thank you, Ben.
Super generous.
He says this for all the haters, because we've got a few in the chat today, and I'm going to address a couple of them here in just a moment.
But he says, for all the haters, right response isn't going anywhere.
Keep it up, boys.
Reformed for life.
Thanks, Ben.
We appreciate that.
And you are absolutely correct.
God ultimately is sovereign.
We'll see what the Lord does.
But practically speaking, in terms of As far as what we can foresee as finite creatures, if right response was going to go bust, it would have happened by now.
They had their chance.
The haters have had their chance several times.
And by God's grace, and it's testimony to Him and His grace alone, but we keep on trucking.
We just put out episode after episode after episode after that.
And they shriek and they shriek and they can't believe it.
Pearls are clutched.
I can't believe it.
They did an episode on race.
Why?
How?
They said we should repeal the 19th Amendment.
Again, you believe it?
Yes.
And you can expect more and more and more.
So many episodes.
Eventually, you just drown.
You will not be able to handle the level of base that will come out by God and His grace alone of this ministry again and again and again.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry this is happening to you, but it is happening.
Okay, so thank you, Ben, for your generosity.
And yes, we are going to, this is what I realized, right?
I mean, there's something to be said for talent, you know, and intelligence and giftedness and all these kinds of things.
Obviously, that matters.
There's also something to be said for a high level of production and quality and these kinds of things.
But there's also something to be said for just consistency.
Just again and we're still a relatively new ministry.
It's been about four years now.
But with each passing year, again, by the grace of God and His grace alone, we just keep upping the ante and we're going to produce more.
And the quality is going to get better.
And we're going to bring other collaborators like Michael and Wes.
And we're going to have better substance, better content, better communicate.
Nathan is over there working his butt off, you know, constantly.
We're going to, oh, you do cold opens, you know, that you work on, you know, and it takes you a couple of weeks and you put it together.
We're going to do a cold open three times a week, four times a week with the Friday special.
Like, we're going to do it every day of.
We're going to be working and, you know, overtime and doing this and doing that.
And we're going to keep saying things that need to be heard, things that are true to God's words.
We are shills for no one.
We are.
We support Donald Trump.
We are so grateful that he's the president.
We think, as we already said, guys in the chat, maybe they missed the first part of the episode.
We think Cash is going to do a great job.
He's going to be so much better than the last guy who did swear on the Bible.
The white man who swore on the Bible.
The white guy who swore on the Bible was terrible, terrible.
And it's a pretty low bar, right?
So, I mean, it's not saying much to beat him, but we think Cash will beat him by a long shot.
We think he's going to clean house, Dan Bongino.
I mean, there's a lot of W's in the chat.
It's exciting.
That said, yeah, I want my nation to be a Christian nation.
I want my children to grow up in a Christian nation.
I don't want high places.
I don't want foreign gods.
I don't want people swearing in public office to sand demons.
No, no.
And if that puts me outside of MAGA, It's been real.
Right?
Fine.
Fine.
What if you can take it over even better?
What if I can take it over?
We'll see.
So, all right, let's go up in the chat real quick.
There's a guy called, his handle is Black something.
I can't remember.
Go up.
Black Boss.
Okay, so he said a few things.
Go up.
There was, stay right there.
No, no, go higher.
Oh, stay.
Okay, yeah.
So he said, it will be hilarious.
If we see Cash becoming the most consequential FBI director of all times, would be egg on the face of those who criticized and hated on him, lol.
And he's obviously including us in that.
Yeah, then I guess you're just not listening.
Sometimes, and I get it, sometimes when you hate watching something, you can't help but miss a few pieces along the way.
Not only will we not have egg on our face if he turns out to be one of the best FBI directors, we're betting on it.
We think he will.
And also, this is crazy.
All right.
I understand, right?
It's walking and chewing gum at the same time.
It's difficult for some, it's difficult for many, you know, but two things can be true at the same time in two separate categories.
Cash as an individual person, we think is going to be great.
Also, in terms of the precedent, the virtue, the value, yeah, no swearing to sand demons in these United States.
As in long term, that will destroy us.
It's not as though we could do it and in perpetuity.
These next four years would be awesome.
400 years, though, impossible.
I'm thinking about my grandkids.
I'm thinking about my grandkids.
And then there was one more from Black Boss because I want to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I really, I'm not trying to be mean here.
Because I've never seen him in the chat before.
I assume he's brand new and not familiar with our ministry.
And I'm glad you're here.
I'm glad you're here.
But he said something about how I wouldn't want someone, you know, the three of us, me, Michael, and Wes, wouldn't want someone like him voting.
And I want to speak to that.
Sometimes, you know, you just ignore the chat, you know, because it's just whatever.
But sometimes I, you know, sometimes I wake up and choose violence, you know, and I decide to lean in.
So he says this Black Boss, if these people, talking about me, Michael and Wes, had their way, I would have never been allowed to vote.
Okay.
So now Black Boss, you know, the handle's making a little bit more sense.
I think this is somebody who is Black.
Okay.
So they wouldn't have let me vote or own property.
And worse, along with millions of my brothers and sisters, a blot.
On the conservative movement.
Then again, I understand when you're hate washing something, when you're hate watching, you probably miss certain pieces along the way.
But see my published work.
In fact, see the published work of this episode happening right now, about 25 minutes, you know, just 25 minutes ago.
I'm a general equity theonomist, God fearing Christian, and a patriot who loves these United States.
I believe that, as it was said to Israel, for those who immigrate in by the third generation, That they should be able to attain full citizenship, which includes voting rights for black individuals in this country.
Not all, some might be Haitian and arrived last week, right?
Some might be Nigerian and arrived in the last 15 years or something like that.
But for heritage black Americans, I understand there are some bona fide guys who are unhinged on the race issue.
I'm not one of them.
I seem unhinged because everybody has race brain and is broken.
Everybody right now, the minute you even start talking about it, it's like the Nazis.
It's like you start talking about Jews.
And it's like, oh, no, he's going there.
Yeah, we can go there.
We can say, yeah, the influence that Israel has on our country is no bueno.
No bueno.
This is not good.
Talmudic Judaism is not just evil, but a pernicious evil.
I have a nine part series, Black Boss.
You're probably new to the show.
Again, catching you up to speed here.
I have a nine part series, each episode being 40 minutes to an hour long, covering all your Israel kind of stuff that a lot of conservatives are not willing to go there.
So I'm an equal offender.
And as it pertains to these kinds of issues, whether it's the The topic of anti Semitism or the topic of racism, our brains, because of the post war consensus and the liberal order in the 20th century, are just broken.
But here's the reality I am not unhinged by the grace of God, He gets all the credit.
And I also, I'd like to think, a bit biased here, I admit, but I don't think my brain is broken either.
And so I can say, yeah, Haitians should not be voting in our election, and also, I would like to send them back.
That said, Thomas Soule, I'm a huge fan.
Voddy Bakum, that guy is in Africa right now, but coming back, and I'm stoked.
I'm so excited that Voddy Bakum is coming back to these United States of America.
Clarence Thomas, one of my favorite Anglo Protestants, because he embodies what I mean by that, Black Boss, he embodies the spirit and the culture of what it is to be Anglo Protestant, and he is a heritage American.
Who can trace his ancestry back probably even further than I can in terms of being a part of these United States, not merely as an immigrant, but in many ways in the founding and the settling of this country?
So, by the time right now, yet right now, we need to shut down the border, no more immigration until we can figure out what's going on.
Okay, so no more immigration for a while because it's been absurd.
But eventually, one day, I would like to see legal, prudent, mitigated immigration.
And when that happens, Not, I just got here last week and I'm now voting for the president of the country, but three generations in, three generations in, and that is a biblical general equity principle from the Bible, three generations in, okay, you are now Heritage America and you are going to vote in our elections.
As it pertains to the black community, not Haitians, right, but the black community that is a part of Heritage America, that can trace their ancestry back, you're here.
Vote.
Unity For One Culture And One God00:05:12
You get to vote.
Now, that said, please don't vote crappy.
Please vote well.
Vote well.
And if you've been voting for Democrats and you just became MAGA like six weeks ago and you were saying she's so brat before that and you're an MPC and just the chip was just all of a sudden changed in your mind and you're now, you voted for Trump.
For you, this is the first Republican you've ever voted for in your entire life, and you're telling me that I'm too extreme, friend.
Friend, think about that for a second.
Think about that for a second.
I think that heritage America, black or white, whatever, you're citizens of these United States.
You get to vote in elections.
However, that said, you should be aware that the black community that has a right to vote statistically has voted for many of the things that have been destroying the country, and they've been doing so for decades.
I have not.
I have been voting for the things that you're excited about with cash, with Trump.
I have been on that side of the political aisle.
For years and years and years and years.
And all I'm saying is that I'm glad we're winning and we are winning.
But also, I would like for my grandkids, when I'm dead and gone, for them to have a chance at winning too.
So there's things to celebrate today, but also in the same breath, right?
Not one overriding the other.
Both of these statements, I mean them both from the bottom of my heart.
I'm celebrating today.
W's in the chat, right?
So much winning and I'm not tired of winning.
But also, there are some long standing threats and multiculturalism.
Not different colors, but multiculturalism, where assimilation never really happens.
A bunch of people come from a foreign place, they all land in the same spot and have their own, and they don't even learn how to speak English and they have their own little culture.
They fly the flags of the nation they came from.
Yeah, exactly.
And they're like, Mexico, Mexico, or whatever it is, Pakistan, Pakistan.
No, a nation like that, in terms of long term, is not viable.
We need one culture.
And so, if we're going to have a united culture, culture comes from the Latin word cultus, which is worship.
Culture stems from religion.
If you're going to have one culture, you've got to have one God.
And so, I want to see the leaders of our nation swearing an oath by that one God.
Cash?
Awesome.
Will he do well?
I'm betting on it.
No egg on my face.
There'll be egg on my face if he does a poor job because I think he's going to do great.
Yep.
I think he's going to do great.
Especially once the Epstein list comes out.
Especially that.
It could be in a minute.
Early, early test.
Could be in a minute.
We're stoked.
But long term, I'm talking long term, thinking about my children's children, right?
The Bible says a wise man leaves an inheritance for his children's children.
If I just get on here and I just wave my MAGA flag and, ho ho, yeah, Trump, my grandchildren will look back if these videos still exist and they'll say, Granddad, we wish you would have loved us.
We're living in a hellscape now.
Like, I'm glad that you got four good years.
Guys, you get frustrated all the time about the boomers.
The thing you're criticizing with us right now is the very thing that the boomers did.
They yoloed.
They yoloed.
They lived for themselves for one generation.
But they ruined the economy, ruined our borders, invited globalism, all these different things.
And that's how you got the four years of hell from 2020 to 2024 with double masking and like.
And maybe, you know, again, Black Boss, I'm not trying to pick on you, but you're, I think, a good case study in our chat today.
And so I'm going to use it.
Your comments, in some sense, it's like you sound vaxxed, right?
You sound like this guy, you know, I think this guy might be, it's not about your race, it's not about your color, but it sounds like this guy might have had seven boosters, you know?
Think in categories, think bigger, think longer.
Trump, let's go.
MAGA, I'm here for it.
Cash, let's get the Epstein list.
And I think he's going to do it.
I'm excited.
You, can you vote?
I don't know.
Are you Heritage American?
Are you Haitian?
Did you show up last week?
Then no.
Are you Heritage American?
Then yes, sir.
You sure can.
But let's vote well.
And let's think about our children's children beyond just our generation, beyond just ourselves.
We need unity in this country.
We need one culture, not a bunch of different cultures that stay isolated and war as factions against one another and never assimilate.
We need one culture.
And culture comes from worship.
We need one God, the triune God.
That's what we're saying.
Taking Dominion Over Finances00:02:54
And I'm glad that you're listening.
I hope that you stuck around and caught that.
Let me add to someone noted that Clarence Thomas is technically Catholic in his convictions, but American Catholicism has been deeply influenced by a majority Protestant culture.
I don't think Joel meant, yeah, you meant culture.
This is a Christian culture.
Right, so we know he's Protestant.
Well, he's Catholic.
Yeah, he's also not Anglo.
He's black.
But what I meant is the culture.
Exactly.
He is heritage American, which is shaped.
The heritage American culture is an Anglo Protestant culture.
And he's not ruling from the bench, like, well, I'm a Catholic integralist and I think it should be this way.
He's taking, like, here's the founding fathers that were.
Majority Protestant, not all of them, as we discussed.
Here's what they intended this side or the other.
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Radicalized Online And Constitutional Models00:09:19
All right, we're back.
One more engagement.
I really appreciate you sticking around.
So, this is Black Boss.
I was engaging you earlier, right before the commercial break.
He came in and said, I'm Baptist, and no, I did not take the vax.
Most of my friends didn't.
Stop stereotyping me.
All right, you know what?
You sound vaxxed, but you're not.
And for that, Salute.
Well done.
Here's the deal.
What I'm getting at, and it sounds like you're not one of these guys.
I'm glad you stuck around.
I'm glad you're listening.
And I hope you stick around in the future and hate watch a little bit more.
But here's the deal you'll be surprised.
We will agree.
You'll disagree with me on plenty of things.
I have no doubt.
But I think you'll enjoy the ride.
We talk about hard hitting subjects that matter, and we're probably not as far apart as you think.
And to be fair, as I thought, because it sounds like you're seven fewer boosters than I was assuming.
So, Congratulations with that.
But you said you're Baptist.
And then what else did he say?
Most of his friends didn't take advantage of it.
Most of my friends didn't.
Oh, okay.
So then it doesn't apply to you.
Praise God.
That's great.
Glad you're here.
But there are, I think you, if this doesn't apply to you, then you should agree with me all the more.
There are, and you should recognize this, Black Boss, there are a lot of guys who are lifelong Democrat voters who were wearing not just a mask, but two masks alone in the house.
In their car.
While showering, you know, and giving themselves, you know, their 14th booster.
There's a lot of people, my point is, there's a lot of people who are completely hoodwinked.
And I'm not talking about right away, but I mean, like very, very, very much.
I think of like Bill Maher, right?
Guys who just have been, you know, voting against conservatives their entire life, were completely fooled by everything in 2020, all the propaganda, all the kind of stuff.
And those people, even, that's why Trump won.
And I'm grateful for it.
But those people, very, very recently, have come out of the woodwork and realized oh, the Democrats hate me, actually.
They actually hate me.
There's a lot of people like that.
And there are a lot, it may not be you, and I'm glad it's not, but there are a lot of people like that.
And there are a lot of people like that in our chat today.
And so, my point is for those people who are brand new to the conservative movement, for them to say, Well, this is my movement, and you, lifelong Republican voting Christians, don't belong.
And I also voted for Joe Biden in 2020, but it's mine.
You're out of your mind.
You're crazy.
No, no.
Come on in, join the team.
The water's fine.
We're glad you're here.
But you don't get to be team captain if you arrived 15 minutes ago.
You were supporting gay marriage a couple years ago and we've been against it for 25 years.
You're a black boss.
Sure, not as an individual.
But there are people that are like, oh, like five minutes ago, I kind of realized that love isn't actually love and this or the other.
Great.
Glad you're here.
So sit down.
We've held this view for about 25 years.
That's right.
And so we're going to be in the driver's seat for the next periods of cultural change.
Yeah, but thank you for engaging.
Appreciate it.
Thanks for sticking around and being a good support.
Appreciate that.
All right.
All right.
Here's what I want to land the plane with.
I was taking a political science, political theory class.
It's like one of the ones online.
It's from Yale.
And the professor, as he was lecturing and instructing, he said one of the things that the ancients kind of came to realize is that there is no in abstract perfect form of government, that there does not exist somewhere out there in the ether for all people and all types of terrain and environment and all sizes, in all time, places, with all sorts of technology.
There's some universal system that would work for all of them.
That's the reason that the American dream works so well here.
But it turns out you can't just take our constitution, model it, and it works somewhere else in the world.
And the point is, the founding fathers recognize this.
So, this is Thomas Paine, very influential, a lib, comparatively, compared to the rest of the ones, the rest of the fathers.
A lib for his time.
For his time.
For his time.
Thomas Paine was definitely a lib for his time.
But he says this in The Rights of Man.
So, Nate, this is quote one The older they, and that is the forms of government, are, the less correspondence can they have with the present state of things.
Time and change of circumstances and opinions have the same progressive effect in rendering modes of government obsolete as they have upon customs and manners.
Agriculture, commerce, manufacture, and the tranquil arts by which the prosperity of nations is best promoted.
Require a different system of government and a different species of knowledge to direct its operations than what might have been required in the former condition of the world.
So, we spent a lot of time talking, like, guys, we did this in our constitution, and it actually worked pretty well.
It brought about a prosperous Christian nation, even if maybe the Christianity wasn't enshrined in the constitution or a preamble or a charter.
Like, we achieved a mass, virtually unanimous Christian majority.
But again, in a world where For one, all the religions of the world are now accessible to us.
Before, if you resided in Missouri, there was no way you were going to become a convert, short of literally encountering someone who was very rare to Judaism or Hinduism or Buddhism.
You just didn't have access to that information.
Their scriptures weren't at the library, they didn't have mosques or temples or anything near you.
But today, how many people get radicalized online to Islam?
By us.
Oh, not the Islam part, but they do get radicalized.
Right, people are getting radicalized.
Right, we're radicalizing, but then others are getting radicalized.
To religions from halfway around the world, to Eastern religions, to religions with a pantheon of gods.
And so, what Payne is saying, and many, many, many have recognized through time, is when we say, like, hey, the ban on public tests for office, hey, the lack of specificity in regards to God and the Christian religion, it actually did work.
It actually was successful.
There's a great question here, we've got two from Truddle.
Why have other European states that even did have this language in the constitution faltered and we haven't?
We'll get to that question.
But ultimately, because they're European.
Because the European mind cannot comprehend the American spirit.
Absolutely.
Yep, I like that.
They're weak.
That's right.
Let me just show George Washington.
This is in his farewell address.
It's just a short line, but again, like illustrates, it's scary to talk about the Constitution and that it might not be suitable for our next 250 years.
But I think this was always what, in some level, the great minds that founded our nation recognized this time would come.
George Washington's farewell address says this the basis of our political systems is the right of the people.
To make and to alter their constitutions of government.
The foundation of our political system is the right of the people to make and alter their constitutions of government.
But the constitution, which at any time exists till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole people, is sacredly obligatory upon all.
The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
So, Washington's obviously saying there that as long as it exists, we have an obligation as the people of that nation to obey it.
But there comes a time by an authentic and organic work that you have to say, we're just living in something different.
And so that's what's changing now.
That's the transition the Republican Party is undergoing.
That's what globalism's wrought.
And the categories that existed before, even into the 80s and the 90s and the early 2000s, they just don't exist in the same way.
And which means the future is very wide open, which is scary, but that's also opportunity.
It's opportunity to go back.
Who knows what the next 20 years will bring, but potentially, hopefully, the opportunity to go back and say, this time around, Much more Christian, much more clear.
A barring of these religions from holding office.
Again, not individually because we want to see Kash Patel, you know, demoted or removed from his office, but to say this precedent that it's setting is going to destroy us unless we change course.
Amen.
I think what's interesting about Washington's quote is his perception of what the American project was about was not specifically representative government or three branches of government with checks and balances.
His Understanding of what the American project was about was that a people have a right to determine the proper government for who they are as a people and the times that they live in.
And that really is more revolutionary than a democratic republic or how they set up the branches and things like that.
And not everyone's going to agree.
War broke out with England.
Tons of people didn't want it, tons of people did.
But he who wins ultimately gets to set the record and say, no, this is what we're going to be.
Yeah.
Biblical Journeys For Mom And Dad00:04:08
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I'm talking to people out there in the interwebs.
We've got three of them, guys.
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They say this Hello, Pastor Joel.
I have a quick question concerning the order of love, right?
The order of morals.
Would a husband put his wife before his kids or the other way around?
Thank you so much for reaching out.
Good question.
It is the former, not the latter.
The husband would prefer his wife.
That would be his greatest affection, his greatest devotion, his greatest allegiance in the human sense, in the human plane, above his kids.
And that's one of the ways to actually, whenever you love properly, when you properly order your loves, you will actually find yourself loving those who are lower on the totem pole better than you would otherwise.
So, my kids actually, it sounds counterintuitive, but it's true.
I regularly will tell my kids, My young children, that I love their mom more than them.
For instance, here's a little example.
I've been giving kind of more, I try not to share a whole lot of my personal life because people will use it against me.
And there's lots of people who, you know, hate mail and death threats.
And yes, that's not hyperbolic.
We get death threats.
But so I don't really want them to know a whole lot about, you know, the personal details of my life, my family, my wife.
But I've been giving some examples lately and trying to be careful with them.
So here's another.
So just last night, Two of my children, Ruth and Eleanor, both really, really, really wanted to sleep with Dad.
And Ruth is five and Eleanor's four, for context.
And I was like, Dad, I want to sleep with you tonight.
We don't want to sleep in our bed.
We want to sleep in yours.
And I was like, Guys, no, mom gets to sleep with me.
And why?
How come mom always gets to sleep with you?
It's not fair.
And they were both really mad about it.
You know, mom always sleeps with you.
Like, and they were basically advocating for why we should take equal turns of, you know, sleeping with dad.
And I was like, well, mom gets to sleep with me because I, um, more than you, because occasionally, like, if we're taking, you know, it's a Sunday afternoon, we take a nap or something like that.
I, you know, one of the kids might take a nap with me.
Um, and I said, mom gets to sleep with dad, uh, way more than you because dad loves mom more than you.
That's why.
Um, like, well, that's not fair.
And I was like, um, it's not about fairness.
It may not be fair, I, but it's, it's good.
It's like the Hasling question.
It's like, is he safe?
Nah, he's a lion.
No, he ain't safe, but he's good.
Right?
Well, that's not fair.
It's not fair, but it's good.
It's right.
And as we talked about it a little bit more, and I won't give all the details, but as we talked about it a little bit more, you could see that the disposition of my two daughters began to change.
And there's a certain security and safety that comes with like, dad loves mom more than me.
But I feel actually safer because of it that my family's not going to be shaken and fractured and divided.
Because dad's love for mom, his allegiance to mom, Is what makes all the children secure.
And so, anyways, to answer the question, yeah, the wife comes before the kids.
And ironically, although it sounds counterintuitive, you will actually be loving your kids more fully, more richly.
And they will, over time, maybe not when they're four, there's some moments like last night's conversation with my five year old and four year old, but a lot of times they won't get it because they're five, they're four.
But over time, your kids will thank you.
They will, and they will feel more loved by you.
By you prioritizing their mother, and they'll definitely feel more stable and secure.
Okay, we've got a couple others.
Assimilation Challenges In Egypt And Texas00:15:29
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Thanks for that.
And then Nathan, you were highlighting something you wanted me to read.
I've got this one pulled up.
Christ's slave asked, question, where can I find the biblical precedent for the three generations' rulership?
Yes.
You would find that in Deuteronomy 23, verse 8 through 9, 7.
Read it real quick.
Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite, for he is thy brother.
Thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian, because thou wast a stranger in his land.
The children that are begotten of them shall enter into the congregation of the Lord in their third generation.
Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite.
Hardest hit for some of the guys to our right.
Yep.
And then for the 10th generation, so we mentioned that a bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord, even to his 10th generation shall he not enter in the congregation of the Lord.
An Ammonite or a Moabite shall not enter in the congregation of the Lord, even to the 10th generation shall they not enter to the congregation of the Lord forever because they met you not with bread and water in the way.
Those are verses 2, 3, and 4 in Deuteronomy 23.
And it's worth mentioning too.
So, Egypt to Israel, we're not talking about Ireland and India that, you know, like three generations are your brothers.
We're talking about people that lived.
Like Rhode Island to North Carolina, right?
If even that, like, hey, it still takes three generations before they can fully participate in the worship and everything like that.
Like, the fact that you know, people always, oh, Jesus was a refugee, and so we should let you know, illegal immigrants come by the millions from the third world, you know, without any mitigating mechanism whatsoever, which is, um, oh, I'm sorry, well, real quick, I was just saying, ridiculous, but what I was gonna say is, Egypt at the time, you know, like, well, Jesus was a refugee, they're talking about when he was fleeing from Herod because Herod was going to kill all, you know.
The young boys in Bethlehem, you know, because he had heard from the Magi, you know, the wise men, that a king was born.
It was a Jesus' birth.
Herod was right in the sense that he recognized it's not just Jesus, meek and mild, and a spiritual reality, spiritual Messiah, but that the gospel has kingdom and political implications.
Jesus was not just Messiah, nothing less than that, but more, he was also king and it threatened the kings of this world.
And so Herod tried to kill him.
And so his parents, Mary and Joseph, they fled to Egypt.
And people say, you know, they'll use that as a basis for why.
You know, every single refugee should be welcomed into America.
You can't have borders.
Yeah.
Egypt was a part of the Roman Empire at the time.
And so, all that back to what Wes was saying.
So, number one, they were not immigrants to Egypt.
They weren't crossing over a national border.
They weren't, and they certainly weren't doing it illegally.
They were going to another province at the time underneath the Roman Empire of which they lived as, if not citizens, I don't know if Joseph and Mary had, you know, but subjects, residents of.
The Roman Empire, you know, subjects, residents in good standing.
And so they went to just simply another province.
So it would be not just geographically, I say this to make your point, it wouldn't just be the equivalent of, you know, Kansas and Rhode Island geographically, but it would also be similar to Kansas and Rhode Island, even in terms of culturally, nationally, and politically.
So you're not talking about India to Great Britain.
You're not talking about, you know, you're not talking about that.
That's not what we see in the Bible.
So this, you know, third generation.
And those who were 10th generation, it was because of historic grievance that was wicked in the sight of God.
That some other nation.
And that's if even.
It's kind of forever, but in the Hebrew language, that 10 is kind of the limit it goes up to.
So it's like not even to the 10th generations, in other words.
So you could even argue never.
There were some people who could never be citizens because they were incompatible with Egypt, or at least could not, depending on how you interpret it.
They had severely abused them in the past.
They had abused, and God remembered the history.
It's like, well, they didn't do this.
This is a new people, you know.
But no, but your ancestors, your fathers treated my people, God speaking, my people poorly in a time of their need.
And so, what's the general equity of that?
Well, there would be countries that you could argue that it's like, no, you were enemies of America in its time of need.
You did not come.
You could, I don't know, I don't know what the exact, I'm hesitant to apply, you know, get super specific, but.
It could be that like America, you know, in this particular war reached out and asked for an alliance with so and so.
Like, would you please help us and come to our aid?
Because notice, it's not that Egypt enslaved Israel.
Right.
They enslaved them like three generations for Egypt.
They enslaved Israel and three generations for them.
But then these other groups of people who did not meet Israel when they were on the run and needed water.
Wasn't it partly, though, that they had a more distant blood relation to Israel?
Like they actually should have been treating them like kinsmen?
Is that, I forget the, I think part of it was they had a natural duty to Israel that they abandoned.
Yep.
I think so.
Some people will just point out.
That Leviticus 19 says this when a foreigner resides with you in your land, you must not oppress him.
You must treat the foreigner living among you as a native born and love him as yourself, for you were foreigners in the land of Egypt.
I am the Lord your God.
And the point here is when foreigners did come into Israel, they couldn't be mistreated.
Like there wasn't equal protection of law.
They couldn't take advantage because it goes on to them and says use equal weights and measures with them.
You couldn't go to them and cheat them out of money or.
But you could still charge them usury.
That's what's interesting.
That was a different category.
But you're right.
The point is what God was saying there, and then.
This actually is what Jesus is referencing when he says, Love your neighbor as yourself.
He's saying, Treat your neighbor, even the one who's there from a different country, the way you would want to be treated.
Have an equal law.
Don't legalize the exploitation of them or the mistreatment of them just because they're foreign.
But all people who wanted to join Israel formally had the males had to be circumcised, and then full integration into the nation was three generations and sometimes to the nine or ten.
Which the general equity could be like Canada today.
People immigrating from Canada in three generations.
Again, it's valid, it's legal, all of that.
Perhaps in three generations, you maintain full citizenship and the right to vote.
And then others, 10 generations, it's like someone pointed out, you do 40 years.
That's 400 years.
So there are a few people, if you're truly from an incompatible people, you're looking at 400 years possibly before full integration using those principles of general equity.
And those are all the specific kind of elements of the equation.
But the big picture, the big general picture, 30,000 foot view is this.
If we believe the Bible is God's word and that these truths are timeless, right?
It's not timeless in the sense that it's a one to one ratio.
Like, well, Israelites, you know, God said they can't have shellfish.
You know, like, I'm not saying it's a one to one ratio, but the general equity, the general principles, moral principles behind it, if we say God is the same today, you know, yesterday, today, and forevermore, behold, I am the Lord, I change not all these things, and that God's wisdom is immutable, unchangeable.
Then there is a general principle there that we should glean from.
And here's the big idea.
The big idea is that peoples do change over time.
Assimilation is possible over time.
Immigration, legal immigration, is possible over time.
But it seems as though the common theme is that it's slow, way slower.
That's what we're talking about, is like what we have been on a crash course.
What we've been doing in Western nations, Is saying, you know what, by the millions, people from foreign nations that are wholly incompatible with our way of life, with our religion, with our culture, you can come, not just a few, but by the millions and achieve citizenship, full citizenship, very quickly.
It's like, well, it took me 15 years.
Very quickly.
That is very quickly.
We're talking about in biblical times, 400 years in some cases, and 120 on the fast track.
The third generation, 40 years for a generation.
You're a border state, 120 years.
Yep.
Yeah.
Canada, 120 years, and that's quick.
And I've said this before I am not a native of Texas.
I shouldn't be allowed to vote in Texas elections.
I was not born here.
Maybe my children, maybe even my grandchildren.
That would be how a sensible state would operate.
You don't have land here.
Your posterity hasn't been raised here.
You didn't grow up here.
You can't just come in here and begin to vote for the same policies that you left New Jersey or California or New York from.
And I would say that as someone that would lose his right to vote in Texas because that's what would be better for Texas on the whole.
Yep.
Real quick, somebody, Nitton Surin says, which cabinet would you rather have?
Joe Biden, Blinken?
Antony Blinken.
Scores of other white male dudes.
Fair Blinken is Jewish, but we get the point.
Or Trump, Hegsef, Tulsi, Cash, Patel, RFK.
You must not be listening.
Trump.
That's what we'd rather have.
Absolutely.
100%.
That's what people struggle so hard to have is the idealistic and a vision of where you're going, but also working with where you're at.
Some people can only work with where you're at.
They're like, this is just how it is.
You're never going to get change.
You're never going to abolish abortion.
You're never going to get a public.
Require public confession of the Christian faith for office.
They're just stuck in how the way things are.
Then there's other people that it's like, this is the way things should be, and I won't accept anything less than that.
But a good, efficient politician, and I've come to town in my time and my life, know a lot of them, is able to hold both.
This is where we're going, and I cannot sacrifice the good that's actually being done.
So 100% the Trump administration.
Yep.
Real quick super chat Tyler Page, 10 bucks.
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Longtime fan.
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What do you think the short term solution to demon gods being sworn by in the U.S.?
What's the short term solution?
Any thoughts?
Defying short term, first of all.
Right.
I mean, we're not doing anything about it now.
Catherine Tell's the FBI director.
Yep.
I think so.
This happened in the Texas House.
A representative for the second straight session in the House swore in on a copy of the Quran.
I think you do what people did, which is point it out and make people aware of it.
There are millions and millions of God fearing Southern Baptist, salt of the earth Christians in Texas that would be amazed, shocked, and angry that someone's swearing in on the Quran.
Another man proposed to his husband on the floor after being sworn in.
And as much as you can get that in front of people, do you see what's happening in your House of Representatives?
Do you see what's happening at your state capitol?
Call your representative, calling your attorney general, pushing, going to your legislator, meeting them.
Hey, here's, could we not have this?
Could we require, as a small step, a short term small step, to swear on the Bible or nothing at all, for instance?
That is a great starting point, winning the incremental battles at a level like you actually can, be it at the town level, the local level, the state level.
Probably winning those is all going to happen way before, certainly, some revision of the Constitution or even national momentum to make it a thing.
Yep.
And a lot of things, it's both and.
You know, like politics is downstream of culture and culture is downstream of politics, right?
The law.
Is a tutor, it shapes the cultists, the people, but also at the same time, you know, there's you can exercise power in both ways, right?
The left, you know, they exercised every bit and they did it, you know, unconstitutionally, but every bit of political power that they could, you know, they levied, right?
It was lawfare, you know, like, you know, using, you know, the apparatus of all the courts and judicial system against Trump and against, you know, any conservative in America and trying to ruin them in a legal sense.
But also, you can apply a ton of pressure without there necessarily being a law.
And so, in the meantime, as you're working to legislate culturally, like Texas can just, as a culture, get enough people on board and say, No, we don't want people swearing on the Quran.
Right.
No.
And you just, you could put enough cultural pressure to where guys will put forward a different candidate.
And for the record, it's a false dichotomy.
Like, I understand the question from scroll up, Nathan, the guy that I read just a second ago.
Tyler.
No, not there.
No, no, no, no.
It was one of the guys who's, yeah, yeah, yeah, right there.
Yeah, yeah.
Nitten Sarin.
And I've never seen him before.
I assume he's new.
I understand the question.
But I just, I reject that dichotomy that it's either, you know, Catholic Joe Biden, like Joe Biden is Catholic in the same way that I'm a professional athlete.
That is to say, he's not.
But I understand that, in words, it's like you got Biden's and the Pelosi's, like Catholics, and him saying, What would you rather have, that or would you rather have cash, swearing to a Hindu sacred text?
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I'd rather have cash and Trump, 100%.
However, Could we just admit that by God's grace we could work towards a day when maybe those wouldn't be the only two options?
Godless, democrat, you know, Catholic and word only, you know, administration versus Trump that's in many ways very Christian, very Christian, but then also has Hare Krishna prayers, you know, at the RNC and, you know, whatever.
I just, I refuse to believe these are the only two options.
Now, at the same time, I understand politics enough, the world of the political enough, that they actually were the only two viable options for the presidential race in 2024, which is why I picked the better one.
Well, there's another thing going on behind the scenes, too, and that is I think Trump is aware that India could be a potential ally to help offset if Russia and China really formalize something.
And so I think he's also doing it to the prayers at the RNC.
I think there's a sense, and I would disagree with it obviously, but where he's saying, okay, well, we need to find some friends because we might be out in the cold if Russia and China get their act together and form something.
And I just think he's trying to be a deal maker and say, look, we are open to alliances.
Yeah, that's true.
Speaking of Trump, I'm going to hit this one really quick from Neville.
Did y'all criticize Trump for not swearing on the Bible?
So, what Trump did, Milani was holding a Bible from Abraham Lincoln, two Bibles, two Bibles, right?
A Bible from Abraham Lincoln and a Bible that he got from his mother.
And his hand was simply at his side when he took the oath.
I didn't publicly criticize it, but.
I think it was a mistake.
I don't think he meant to do it.
Yeah, it was either a mistake or something like that.
But we didn't criticize.
And there's a huge difference.
The point is, there's a huge difference.
Hindu scripture that should have never been in that room.
It's like your wife holding two Bibles right next to you.
And you forgot to read them.
And she was actually coming up behind him.
Right.
And Robert started the O's.
That's the problem.
Yeah.
Right.
And so, like, he.
It's 35 words.
Right.
And it was over.
So there's a difference in that versus I am consciously, intentionally putting my hand on a Hindu text.
That's different.
All right.
Any other questions?
Truddle.
Question.
Truddle.
Haven't the chickens come home to roost in the more formally Christian European countries, too?
Doesn't this speak to the problem with the piece of paper constitutionalism?
Yes.
That's absolutely correct.
And that's why the English Protestant stock of America, even though in word, in name, they were less Christian than Ireland and Canada and all these different things.
Or Hawaii, for that matter.
Or Hawaii.
Hawaii's constitution was based on.
It was.
It was.
But again, it was the European countries that destroyed that because they insisted that Hawaii abandon its constitution because they wanted to employ people to work on Sundays for their geological expeditions, and France wanted to import wine.
That's a classic French move, I'll tell you that right now.
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Yeah, hang on.
You're telling me the French apostatize and the English United States is better?
Hang on.
Well, it was the U.S. who pushed the Sabbath laws to be abandoned in Hawaii because they wanted their geological service.
He makes a great point because, like, England formally, Is much more religious.
They have a state church.
They have, I mean, the head of the church being the king, all of those things we already talked about.
And yet, culturally, they're so much less so.
And it goes to show like the trappings of it matter, the words you say matter, the parable.
But you know what also matters?
The son who goes and does it.
And that's what America's story has been to a greater degree than the others.
And I think America, like, there's something about the American spirit that the type of person who would be willing.
To get on a rickety wooden ship and sail across the ocean and like the pioneer.
Defy the king.
Declare dependence.
Defy tyrants, risk limb and life to sail across the ocean, a pioneering spirit, all those kind of like the American heritage, the type of person I think was like, there was something in that stock of people that was deeply, profoundly principled.
The Tokesville talks about that, that they would go out.
The other traders, the other shipsmen wouldn't go out, but then the Americans would ride out in the storm and they would have more wrecks, but they would also get back quicker and everything because they were just more courageous.
They were willing to confront their fear.
But yeah, it's just that's part of our people.
Yeah.
Right.
Okay.
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Yeah, let's do it.
So Wednesday is going to be, and this.
It's not a great moment for me because I'm not exactly sure how to pronounce his last name.
I think it's Freitas.
This is the funny thing, though.
It's Nick, and everyone's like, Fuentes?
No, it's Nick Freitas, I think.
Maybe it's Freitas.
Maybe it's Freitas.
But I've seen a few clips from him, so I'm not super familiar, but I've seen a few clips from him.
Wes has seen a good amount.
A lot of stuff on masculinity.
Yep.
That's really good, really good stuff on masculinity that we need men to be men again.
And so, anyway, so I've seen some things go viral from him that I thought were really good.
So I just thought, you know what?
I'll give it a shot, right?
He's got a pretty massive following.
But I thought, I bet we could get him.
And so we reached out and he was like, yeah, sure, I'd love to come on.
Because we have a pretty broad swath of topics and subjects that we address, but we've got a few fan favorites.
That we are very convicted of, that we hit again and again and again.
And masculinity is certainly one of them.
So that's Wednesday.
So, Nick, Fritas or Freitas?
We're going to go with Freitas.
I'll find out.
Nick, Freitas.
We'll find out.
Okay, Michael will find out before Wednesday so we don't, to his face, offend him.
But he's going to be coming on the show.
We're excited about that.
So that's going to be Wednesday at 3 p.m. Central.
And then Friday, we have JD Hall.
JD Hall from way back in the day, Pulpit and Pen, now Protestia.
He's doing some articles for them, and then he's got his own sub stack and doing a lot of stuff independently.
And JD Hall was very clear with me when I asked him.
He didn't ask me, I asked him, Hey, I think you've got some really insightful pieces.
I've read some of your articles.
He's a fantastic writer, and I think you've got some really good things to say.
I am inviting you to come on the show.
And he just asked me to make it clear that this is not him coming, formally coming back into ministry or anything like that.
He's been just working a day job, doesn't have any plans or desire to be a pastor again.
He's just loving his family, loving his wife, loving his kids, loving his chickens on his homestead and working in finance.
But he's a Christian and he loves the Lord and he's got a sharp mind and he's writing some things.
From a Christian perspective, profoundly Christian to the culture, to politics, and it's insightful.
And being an ordained pastor is not a requirement for coming on the podcast.
So, JD Hall is coming on Friday, and we're honored to have him.
So, we've got Nick Freitas on Wednesday, JD Hall on Friday, and I was going to say, watch the Israel series, and you can watch the Christian nationalism series.
People, a lot of questions like, well, how would you even make this work?
And how would it seem like we're too far gone?
And is it even possible?
It's just a Pipe dream, you know, that you're going to have a Christian nation and this, that, and the other.
Well, I did a 10 part series on that with someone a lot more qualified to talk about it than me.
I mean, to be fair, I did write a statement on Christian nationalism.
You know, I co wrote it, I helped.
But, you know, so I've got the statement on Christian nationalism in the gospel with a few other authors and contributors.
But there's another guy who wrote a 400 page book, The Case for Christian Nationalism.
And since writing that book over two years ago, has been thinking about not just the case for it, but how to apply it.
How to execute Christian nationalism, and that is our friend Dr. Stephen Wolf.
And right now, for our Patreon members, the Stephen Wolf thing is going to come out publicly, but it's not even going to start coming out until April, and you won't get all the episodes until I think June.
So, but you can watch all of it all 10 parts of our entire series with Dr. Stephen Wolf on Christian nationalism, all 10 parts ad free right now on Patreon, and you can also watch ad free all nine parts of the series on Israel.
How we should be thinking about Israel, and that no, we do not need to be sending your old ladies sending their fixed income checks to Israel so that they'll be blessed by God.
Spoiler, that's not our position.
And we also don't think that our sons, and because our nation is pretty wicked, daughters should be drafted into World War III because of Israel and constantly coming to their aides.
And we definitely don't think that we should have all the foreign influence that we currently have.
Where, like, Thomas Massey himself said that he was one of the only guys.
If not the only guy that didn't have an APAC handler, some Israeli citizen who's coming in and every time a decision in America is going to be made, coming like, hey, I'm going to take you out to dinner and set you straight and make sure that Bibby gets his way.
So, whole series on that.
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