Pastor Joel Webbin and Pastor Andrew Isker dissect a theological framework where fallen angels once ruled ancient nations, asserting Christ's incarnation transferred this authority to humanity as co-heirs. They reject the "Judeo-Christian" label as polytheistic, arguing modern Jews are merely an ethnic group without covenantal standing, while Christians inherit the world through faith alone. Ultimately, they promote their 2025 conference "Christ is King," framing the defeat of worldly systems as the sole path to true inheritance. [Automatically generated summary]
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Gods at War00:09:59
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It is this impulse that Paul speaks to at the start of this chapter.
Israel, and in fact, all of humanity was in slavery in the old creation.
Mankind was under guardians and stewards.
Who were they?
The answer has already been given by Paul in Galatians 3, verse 19.
The law was appointed through angels.
And then again later in Galatians 4, verse 8, Paul points out that the Gentiles worship what are by nature not gods.
In 1 Corinthians 10, verses 19 through 22, the Gentile pagan worship was worship.
Of demons.
The Bibelic Old Creation was one in which humanity was subject to the heavenly host, and Christ has redeemed both Jew and Gentile from this slavery.
The elementary principles of the world of Galatians 4 3 is this social, political, and religious order.
Israel's, of course, was different.
The law was divinely given and good and righteous, but it was unable and never intended to redeem humanity from this bondage.
Only Christ.
Could do this, which leads Paul directly to Galatians 4 4, that the time was finally fulfilled, and the Father sent forth the Son to be born of a woman, fully man, and born under the law, within the elementary principles of the world, to redeem those under the law and to make them heirs of the world with him.
So this episode is a fan favorite, right?
Gets into a little bit of my forte with the unhinged, Fordian type stuff, but it's, of course, biblically true.
Yes, we're going to talk about giants.
Yeah, we're going to talk about giants.
Yeah, we're going to talk about the divine counsel and gods, lowercase g gods.
I think it's helpful, and you feel free to respond to this, but I think it's helpful to understand that, in one sense, Paul says to the Corinthians that.
That idols are no gods at all.
And that one of the reasons you can actually eat meat under the new covenant that has been sacrificed to idols, the Christians could have liberty and a clarity of conscience in eating meat that had been sacrificed to the idols, is because one of the arguments Paul makes is because idols are no gods at all.
And yet, at the same time, they were, right?
There were other gods, and some of these gods, so it's like the sons of God, Job.
Chapter 1 and chapter 2, you see this that God is seated and he's surrounded by the sons of God.
These are angels.
Yeah, Deuteronomy 32.
Right, yeah, there are multiple places in scripture, and then, you know, Satan is among them.
You know, from where have you come from, walking to and fro over the face of the earth?
And so there are other gods and angels, comparatively, like if a man were to encounter, I mean, what are all the reactions that we see, whether it's Joshua?
Like, I mean, they fall prostrate, they're in fear, worshiping.
Yeah, that's the human instinct, you know, and And the good angels that serve the Lord have to stop them from committing idolatry.
Don't worship me.
Yeah, don't fear.
I'm just a messenger.
Right.
That's when an angel says, do not fear, right?
Have no fear.
It's not just, hey, don't be afraid and scared.
Yeah, calm down.
It's okay.
Yeah, he's saying, do not fear me like you fear the Lord.
That's right.
Don't revere me.
Don't worship me.
And so, this divine counsel, this idea of there being multiple gods, Only one God who created, who's the creator, who is forever to be praised.
Amen.
The God who created ex nihilo out of nothing, who created all these other gods, lowercase g gods.
But there is biblical language for the sons of God.
And some of these sons of God, aka angels, rebelled against the one true God.
And these fallen gods, then, these fallen angels, where did they fall?
To the earth.
Yeah.
And who did they rule over?
And that is the ancient world.
The ancient world is that you have Yahweh, who is, you know, and you could even argue Christ, that God the Father designated portions of the world to different angels, sons of God, but he had one capital S, son of God, Christ, and he gave to him his portion was this tiny little person, Abraham.
And that one was given to Jesus.
And this land, right, that's God's land, and that's where his sanctuary is, and the rest.
Is given to other sons of God.
Fallen sons of God who become demons.
That is the context, the spiritual climate of the ancient world before the incarnation of Christ.
And you see this in ancient literature.
I think you look at descriptions of the Peloponnesian War, and Athens and Sparta are fighting.
And how are they determining?
They have their strategy meeting, their Pentagon meeting.
When are we going to attack?
Right.
Well, let's sacrifice a bull and look at the entrails.
Right.
And they did it.
And they're like, all right, we attack at dawn.
Right.
It wasn't because, oh, these are just superstitious people that have these rights and they're just really dumb because they're ancient people and we're so smart because we're modern.
No, they really did believe this because it really did work.
Demons had power.
There really were gods, and it's not just nations at war, but those gods were at war.
If you look at Greek gods, Roman gods, if you look at these things and you say, oh, that's so silly.
They're so dumb.
Yeah, because these gods have incredible power.
They can't actually be true because look at how petty they are.
They're not virtuous.
Well, but in the biblical narrative, there were lowercase g gods, the sons of gods, angels, and we're talking about fallen angels rebellious.
That were rebellious and at war, not just with God, but these are fallen angels.
They're rebellious, and so they're petty.
They're at war with one another.
This fallen angel, you know, and think about that even from the book of Daniel, right?
The angel is held up by the prince of Persia.
He's not talking about a man, a human prince, no.
He's talking about an angelic fallen angel.
That it's regional over that area, that principality.
Principality is like a region, prince is the ruler.
So there's a spiritual angelic ruler over a principality, like a province, you know?
And he holds him up.
He's fallen.
And these spiritual rulers are not just at war with the sons of men, but with each other.
They're warring against each other.
And this is the ancient world.
Yeah.
I mean, you see this as well in the book of Exodus, right?
Moses and Aaron go to the court of Pharaoh.
And they perform these signs, right?
His staff turns into a dragon.
Just sleight of hand.
Yeah, it's just David Copperfield, right?
And what do the priests, the sorcerers of their pagan, you know, demon gods?
They do real magic.
They do the same things.
Yeah.
Right, at least at first.
And with the first few plagues, they are able to mimic them and copy them.
They have real power that they're given from their gods.
And it's also interesting, like the plagues of Egypt.
Right, all correspond to the gods with one of their gods, one of their false gods, yeah, exactly.
Whether it be what a coincidence, huh?
Yeah, the river, you know, the Nile River, the river god, or the sun god Ra, or all these different gods.
Uh, you know, uh, Ben, the frog god is uh, that's deed, they they uh, yeah, the Haunted Cosmos guys talk about this.
I thought it was so good.
Ben Garrett, I had that that insight of just saying, yeah, uh, that the magicians, these you know, these uh, demonic priests, priestess, um, you know, they they were able to one.
One for one kind of ratio, keep up, you know.
They couldn't undo them, though.
They couldn't undo them, but they could perform the same signs until it gets to the third one.
But the third one, this frog fertility deity, fertility god, was also happened to be the god of magic, divine power, and magic.
And now it stops.
And so, as soon as Moses, you know, God through Moses defeats that particular god of Egypt, then the magicians can't perform anymore.
Magic stops.
Yeah.
Because it's real.
Yeah, you see this too.
These things are real.
These guys who come and see this star in the sign in the heavens, and they come from the east to see Jesus.
What are they called?
They are magi.
They're magicians from the east that see this sign from the Orient.
Yeah.
And so, what are they?
Well, they're pagan priests, pagan sorcerers that come and they pay homage to Jesus.
Magic Stops When God Wins00:03:00
It's funny.
It's like, well, you wouldn't think the demons would want them to do it, but.
They did anyway, right?
But nevertheless, like the Bible describes a world that is not materialistic.
It's not this like post enlightenment world that's just rational and scientific.
It is a world where there are demon gods with power.
And it's all throughout the pages of scripture.
And so when Paul is talking about elementary principles of the world, that's what the world is under this old creation, right?
After Babel, right?
This world.
And you see it too in Exodus, or in Genesis and Exodus.
The Egyptians have laws of clean and unclean, right?
And it's funny because they're almost the opposite, right?
What's the unclean animal to the Egyptians?
It's sheep.
Right.
So that's why they had to go to Goshen.
Like, oh, you guys go over there to Goshen.
Stay away from us because sheep are disgusting to us.
We don't want them.
They're unclean animals.
So you go over there.
Sheep, just for the record, they are disgusting.
They are.
They're really gross.
But according to God's law.
Right.
These are clean animals.
Right.
Right.
And for the reason why they have cloven hooves, they're not on the cursed ground.
Right.
They have shoes.
Right.
And they chew the cud.
They are something that points to.
What God wants for his people.
He wants us to be clean, not trotting the unclean earth, and he wants us to chew and meditate upon his word.
It's very Puritan of you.
That's what Bunyan is saying.
But they're right.
He's right.
Yeah, they're right.
He's like, what does it mean as he's exegeting Leviticus?
And what does it mean that it chews the cud?
That it chews on the gospel truth, meditating on it day and night.
Bunyan had it right, man.
You look at the four categories, too, of animals that you have in Leviticus.
It's fascinating because It's set within this old creation world.
There's four different kinds.
There's clean domesticated animals.
There's clean wild animals.
There's unclean domesticated animals, pigs, and there are unclean wild animals.
Well, what are those?
Well, the clean domesticated animals, those are faithful Israelites.
The clean wild animals, those are God fearing Gentiles.
The unclean domesticated animals, why are pigs so bad in Israel?
It's not talking about even though Gentiles eat them.
For you to be a pig, to be like a pig in Israel, means that you're an apostate, right?
That you are violating the law of God.
You're part of that Israel in terms of the old covenant, but you actually don't have faith.
Yeah, you're circumcised without faith.
Right.
Yeah.
And that, man, that pairs so nicely with Jesus saying, don't throw pearls.
Cast your pearls among the swine.
Before swine.
Meaning Gentiles who don't believe.
No.
Meaning you, religious rulers in Israel who have rejected me.
When you see, like, if you're going to make an anthropomorphic cartoon of the Pharisees, Right.
They should all be pigs.
They should all be pigs.
Gentiles as Clean Animals00:05:36
Right.
And so that's these are the categories that exist in the world that God has set up.
And and all throughout this, despite the influence of demons and and their demon gods like like Baal and Molech and so forth, right?
There are Gentiles that come to worship the true God.
Yeah.
Because knowledge knowledge of God, right?
Comes from what from, you know, from Adam down to Noah and and to the gent there.
There are gent like Jethro.
Is a priest of God.
He's a Gentile.
You have Melchizedek, who is a priest of God, who's a Gentile.
Priest of God.
The priest and king of Salem.
There was something in the Old Covenant, and this is a point that Jim Jordan has made, and I think he's right about it that Psalm 19, the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament his handiwork.
They're able to read the stars and the constellations and the zodiac and be able to understand truths about God.
That we can't anymore.
That I think was clear for them and not as clear.
Yeah, I think it's less clear for us now because, right?
Because you have the sun.
You see the stars at night, and now it's daytime, right?
Everything is revealed now via the sun.
That's so good.
I like that.
So now it's like because it's daytime, because the sun has come.
The sun has risen.
Dawn has come, and that's when the sun has risen.
That's Psalm 19, though.
You set a chamber for the sun, and it pursues its course and so forth.
And so here we are.
Natural revelation, the stars are quieter, more dim.
Still there.
And you see this.
But that's all the Gentile nations had.
Yeah, for the most part.
Or tradition that's carried on from Noah.
Onwards, right?
Knowledge of God.
Athens.
Yeah.
Like some of the, like pre Christ.
It's like, how were they so sophisticated?
Yeah.
How were they so.
How was Aristotle able to know the things he was able to know?
And to me, there's only one of two possible answers or a combination of both.
I think it's that.
One is that they had Moses.
Yeah.
That Plato had Moses.
Yeah.
That's a thesis that people have.
And I think that's very possible.
It's not that far away.
It's not that far away.
There was trade between Phoenicia and Greece.
Right.
Right.
So one is that.
Plato had Moses, he had the Pentateuch, actually had some special revelation.
But two is that they were particularly good at reading the first book of natural revelation, and the stars spoke, and the skies and the world, and these angelic, they spoke louder than they do today, and the Greeks were particularly perceptive.
Well, and just look at.
And listening.
Yeah, if people, you know, listening, feel like these guys just talk about some weird stuff.
It's not that bad.
No, it's not, but look at.
Not for my channel.
But look at.
He's not talking about mermaids.
This is just capital orthodoxy.
You look at the end of Genesis, the blessings that Jacob gives to his sons, they all follow along the line of the constellations.
You look at how Israel is ordered in the wilderness, three tribes on either side of the tabernacle.
Those all follow the pattern of the constellations.
You see this in Revelation as well.
That the zodiac plays a role.
Even in first century synagogues, they uncover the mosaics on the floor, and what do they find?
They find the 12 signs of the zodiac, because they correspond with the 12 tribes of Israel.
There's this correspondence between the handiwork of the firmament and the general revelation, or the special revelation rather, of God and the order that he's placed in the world.
That when God tells Abraham that his people, his descendants, will be like the stars of the sky, right?
That has meaning because in Genesis 4, right, what are the, what are the, on the four, or rather Genesis 1, the fourth day of creation, what are the, what's created that day?
It's the sun, the moon, and the stars, the heavenly host, and they're given governance over time and seasons.
Well, right, what are those?
That's the heavenly host.
Right.
Right.
That's created on that day.
And so, for God to say, your descendants, your seed is going to be like the stars of the sky, it's not just in terms of numerically, because we get the numeric amount from the sand of the sea.
Right.
Right.
They're going to be like the stars of the sky.
Right.
They're going to be placed in the firmament.
Right.
They're going to be like angels seated in heavenly places.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They are going to be with the sun.
And what are prophets throughout the Old Covenant?
Right.
They're members of this divine council.
They go up to God and they deliberate with him.
You see Abraham do this, right?
He's Bargaining with God, saying, What about 50 righteous, 40?
He's deliberating with God as though he's a member of the divine council.
You see this in the book of Kings.
One of the prophets sees the divine council meet, and a spirit says, I'm going to go and deceive Ahab.
And so that's part of the world that God has made.
And in the Old Covenant, the Old Covenant is ruled by angels and by the heavenly host because Adam is supposed to be the sub-regent.
Prophets Deliberating with God00:02:47
He's created to be just under God.
Here is Adam.
But he gives it away.
He fails.
He rebels against God and is cast from that position.
And that position doesn't just disintegrate or go into the ether.
It's not just left vacant.
He hands it over to someone.
Yeah.
It's filled.
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Yeah.
And who is that?
Right.
Well, and then later, so he forfeits it and it's filled by nefarious leaders.
It's filled by the prince of the power of the air.
Right.
That's right.
Yeah.
And then, so Adam, it's given to Adam.
Adam forfeits it to Satan.
But then Christ comes.
Yeah.
And he's tempted in the wilderness.
Christ Receives His Inheritance00:15:33
Yeah.
And what is the.
What is the temptation in the wilderness that Satan has?
I'll give you all the kingdoms of the earth.
And Jesus, like a good post war sentiment boomer, says, I'm not interested in politics.
I didn't come for that.
I didn't come for that.
I want a pure, pietistic, spiritual Christianity that has no tangible earthly benefit at all.
Owen Strand would have loved it.
But that's not what Jesus said.
No.
No.
What Jesus says is, he's not saying, I don't care about the kingdoms of this world.
What he's saying is that I don't need you, Satan, to give them to me.
I'll take them.
Yeah, I'm taking them from you.
I'm coming to bind the strong man.
I don't want you to give them to me because of my idolatry and sin.
Because if he sins, the world is not saved.
Then it's all done.
Instead, by my righteousness and obedience, I will take the kingdoms of the world.
So the kingdoms of the world given to Adam.
Adam forfeited to Satan.
And then Satan, they're taken by Christ.
And then Christ gives them back to us.
Yeah, the second Adam.
As co heirs in Christ.
Right.
And this is what's significant about the ascension.
And the point I think that gets lost, right?
We celebrate Ascension Sunday every year.
And a point that often gets lost in that is it isn't just the second person of the Trinity going back into heaven and ruling.
The second person of the Trinity joined to humanity, who's taken on human flesh.
He is God and man, fully God and fully man, ascending up to rule at the right hand of God.
He's retaking, a man is retaking Adam's throne.
That is what's significant about the ascension.
That's what's significant about the new covenant.
That now, no longer is it angels and the heavenly host ruling over everything, it is man in Christ.
that is ruling over everything.
And you see this, right?
This is and that's what we're getting at at the outset of the episode in Galatians.
Real quick, could you read that text?
What is it?
Galatians 3 and 4?
Galatians 4.
It's just a couple verses, but if you could just read that.
Right, so right after Paul says that you all are heirs, you are sons of God, right?
And I mentioned this in the sermon that I preached at your church this week.
You're sons of God, which is a title.
Right, which is a title of nobility, right?
Only sons inherit, right?
Daughters don't inherit.
Sons and daughters get a dowry, right?
Sons inherit, right?
And here you're all sons of God, and therefore there's neither Jew nor Greek, right?
Both Jews and Greeks, Jews and Gentiles inherit, um, slave and free men are inheritors of Christ, and male and female, right?
Paul's not pushing transgenderism here, he's saying that you that men and women both.
Are titled sons of God as heirs of Christ.
So there's still such a thing as male and female and distinctions when it comes to sex.
There's still such a thing as ethnic distinctions, Jew and Greek.
And there's still economic distinctions between master and slave or employer and employee.
All those still exist, but in Christ, we are co heirs sharing in his inheritance.
Precisely.
When it comes to the heir, being an heir and inheriting the world in Christ, Those things don't matter.
That's right.
Because all the meek inherit the earth, whether you're a girl or a boy or a Greek or a Jew or a slave or a slave.
Whether you're rich or poor.
That's right.
Exactly.
So chapter 4, verse 1, he says, I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave, though he is the owner of everything.
But he's under guardians and managers until the date set by his father.
So the people of God throughout the Old Covenant, they're like children in their minority.
In the old covenant, right?
That's how we should think of the old covenant.
They're children in their minority, they don't get to inherit yet.
And, right, children, right?
He makes this point children are like slaves in the economy of the ancient world, the biblical world, right?
In the household, right?
The slave is in an heir, and neither is the son while he's a minor.
Right.
He will be eventually.
Yeah.
So he's like a slave in his minority.
But he's under guardians and managers until the date set by his father.
In the same way, we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world.
But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
And because you are sons, God has sent the spirit of his son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
So you are no longer a slave, but a son.
And if a son, then an heir through God.
Right?
That's what Paul is telling the Galatians.
You are heirs.
Of the same thing that Jesus is an heir of, which is the entire world.
The entire world.
Right.
From the principalities and powers and from the heavenly host, right?
You were an heir of that.
It's not one piece of the world, a strip in the Middle East that belongs to one people based off of a genetic code.
But instead, it's every piece of land in the world belonging to not seeds, but seed who is Christ and all those who have union with him through faith.
Who are joint heirs.
Yeah.
And so to assert.
And God is now ruling the world, the heavens and the earth, all authority in heaven and on earth through a man.
Yeah.
The God man.
The God man seated at his right hand and no longer through tutors or managers, these angelic beings like the old world with the old covenant.
But now the whole world is being ruled by a man, not angels, but a man.
Yeah.
And that we have that rule with him.
And so to assert that the old covenant.
The old creation is still operative, which is what you have to do to say that these promises to the Jews over here are still happening, still a thing, or that there is such a thing as Jew or Gentile.
This particular race of people still gets a divine right to this particular land.
And they are the holy chosen people.
To hold to them, to be consistent hermeneutically, you have to hold to the whole package, which means that we are still under angelic tutors, that the world actually still belongs to the prince of the air, that Christ.
What he did is actually not efficacious.
He was not successful, and that Christians are not actually joint heirs with him.
Yeah, that he didn't take that throne at the ascension, right?
That didn't happen, right?
And of course, right, many people who are in Zionistic Christianity that hold to these ideas, right, you talk to them and they think, well, Satan is powerful, he's the prince of the power of the air, he is ruling over everything.
And it's like, no, just read.
Read what the Bible says.
Christ is ruling.
Christ has all authority.
Satan has been dethroned.
Jesus even gave one of his parables.
He says, What do you have to do if you're going to go in and plunder a house and take all the goods?
Do you not have to first go in and bind the strong man?
Then you can send in the rest of your crew to go and plunder the goods.
Well, the house is indicative of the earth, the whole world.
And who was the strong man?
When Satan, I saw him fall like lightning.
That's the strong man.
Satan was a strong man, and where was he?
He was cast out of heaven.
I saw him fall like lightning, and where did he go?
Woe to you, O earth!
For the devil has been thrown down to you.
So the house was the earth, the strong man was Satan.
But then a stronger man came 2,000 years ago, and he bound Satan up.
That doesn't mean that Satan doesn't still have some influence, some effect.
He hasn't yet been cast into the lake of fire, but he has been bound.
Something significantly happened.
In real time, in human history, in the work of Christ, his earthly work, his life, death, resurrection, and ascension, Satan has been drastically limited.
And these powers, Satan and his minions, do not have the same influence and power and authority over regions of the earth like a prince of Persia as they once did.
They don't.
Christ is now ruling and reigning.
And that means that Christians, the meek, have inherited the whole earth, not some Christian adjacent subcategory, namely Jews, inheriting one piece of the earth.
No, the meek and the rest don't get part of the earth.
Christians get all of the earth.
And you can't be a dispy without it's a package deal.
You either take it all or you leave it all on the table.
You can't say, well, land promises for Jews.
But also, yeah, Christ is seated in heaven, ruling and reigning.
No, it's if that, then this.
Well, and the thing that they'll do is say, well, the inheritance, we don't get the, Jesus doesn't have the inheritance yet.
We don't get the inheritance.
And it's like, well, no, he is presently reigning and ruling.
It is all his.
And not just ruling spiritually in the 17th dimension, not just ruling in heaven.
No, but the last thing he says as a preface to the Great Commission is all authority on earth.
As in heaven, earth and heaven has been given to me.
Yeah.
So therefore, go.
Therefore, go into the world and claim my inheritance.
The earth is mine.
I'm ruling over the earth from heaven, ruling over the earth now.
I've bound the strong man.
So you go and push forward the crown rights of Jesus over all the earth.
Yeah.
I mean, that is what is taking place.
I mean, we could go on forever, but I don't have time for going through Revelation, right?
Right.
But I mean, maybe that'll be the next book and that'll be the third appearance on the Friday special for me.
There you go.
But, right, you look at, at the book Of Revelation this, that is what is playing out there.
You have this conflict between right the, the land, the land people, the earth people right, Jews and the sea people, the Romans constantly throughout, throughout this book, and what?
What happens toward the end of revelation?
Right, you have um, the stars are falling out of heaven.
If stars falling out of heaven, but he also.
You have God's people right, ascend up to heaven with him right, and they pick up.
They pick up the harps of the angels and they're standing on the firmament with Christ.
What does that mean?
It means the martyrs who are killed in the Great Tribulation, which is 20 A.D. We're post trib.
Very post trib.
It happened 2,000 years ago.
They ascend to heaven to rule and be seated with Christ and rule with Him.
And so you want to talk about the millennium and what it is.
It's that.
It's Christ receiving His inheritance and His people.
going throughout the land, throughout the world, and claiming it.
It's his.
It's his.
And that's a slow, I mean, Jesus talks about this in the parables, that it's like leaven working its way through the loaf or a mustard seed growing into a great tree.
That takes time.
It takes a long, long time.
And in the particular moment that we're in, it looks like everything's falling apart.
Everything's so bad.
I mean, look at the transgenderism and the abortion and all the gay stuff.
Our culture is being destroyed.
I guess there are judgments that God brings on people when they have apostatized.
Like America was a Christian place with majority Christians everywhere.
And we rejected him.
He's bringing judgment on that.
Local, temporal judgment.
But what is the ultimate result?
His church is going to remain.
His church is going to continue.
And it will not only survive, but it will continue to flourish and prosper.
And the preaching of his word will.
The knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth like the waters cover the sea.
That's right.
That is an ongoing process that is taking place.
That's the whole picture that he gave us that the seed, it would first have to die and be buried, this mustard seed.
But if it died and was buried, that eventually it would rise back through the surface of the earth and it would grow into a great tree that would just be a spiritual tree in heaven.
No, it would be a great tree that would fill the whole earth or a mountain, right?
The stone that comes and shatters the kingdoms of this world, but then grows into a great, all world encompassing mountain.
This is the picture of the fruit of the gospel as it goes forth.
This is what Jesus is going to do, it's what he has done.
He has done and he is actively doing right now through his church.
Yeah.
And so, with the last bit of our time, I think this will be the last time we go through Galatians.
I think it's important with setting that we just set all that context of everything else.
Then you read about this allegory that Paul uses.
And Paul gives us a hermeneutic of how to interpret scripture.
He has an allegorical interpretation.
There are symbols and patterns.
He literally straight up says, And this can be understood allegorically.
Yeah, literally.
He says that.
Yeah.
So I'll just read that now because I think this is like the linchpin that helps us to understand what is going on in the new covenant, what is happening.
He says in chapter 4, verse 21, tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman.
But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise.
Now, this may be interpreted allegorically.
One is from Mount Sinai bearing children for slavery.
She is Hagar.
Now, Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia.
She corresponds to the present Jerusalem.
For she is in slavery with her children.
They're in slavery in the Old Covenant.
That present Jerusalem that stood at that moment when Paul wrote this, that stands for slavery in the Old Covenant.
But Jerusalem above is free.
And she is our mother.
For it is written, Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear.
Break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor.
For the children of the desolate one will be more than those of the one who has a husband.
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.
But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the spirit, so also it is now.
But what does the scripture say?
Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.
So, brothers, we are not children of the slave, but of the free woman.
So, what happens?
What is the rest of the story?
Paul Harvey style, within the context of what Paul's saying here, what's the rest of the story there?
Cast out the slave woman and her son.
Well, who's the slave woman?
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The present Jerusalem.
And those under the Old Covenant.
Israel according to the flesh.
Right, what happens to them?
They get cast out, they get cast out, right?
They get cast out literally and figuratively.
Right, Jerusalem is destroyed, Judea is destroyed, temple is destroyed, covenant comes to an end.
That old world comes to an end, it's not coming there, they're cast out, right?
It's gone, it's done, right?
And they're not heirs, right?
That's the other thing, right?
They're not heirs with the children of promise, they don't get to inherit with the children of promise, right?
There's no inheritance that's right for them, none.
Not just a teeny tiny little bit, right?
A little bit of land or something.
There's none, right?
The inheritance belongs to the children of promise.
The inheritance belongs to Isaac.
In this case, who is that?
That is those united to Christ.
In faith, Christians.
Yes.
The inheritance belongs to the true children, Christians, children of the promise, not according to the flesh.
And Israel, according to the flesh, was rejected.
And yet, each individual, according to the flesh, was warmly invited in through faith to repent of their sins, to believe and accept the Messiah.
And we believe that actually, leading up to 8070 and in 8070, a great many in Israel were born again and saved.
But now, 2,000 years later, no.
No, there is no.
There is no covenantal hangover.
There is no covenant left.
There's no covenant left.
Not a covenant of Hagar.
Not a covenant of nothing.
No, it's done.
There is a covenant that remains the new covenant.
A covenant that God has made with his son and all those who have union with him.
That's it.
And so, what can we do for those who call themselves Jews today, for modern Jews and the modern nation state of Israel?
We can preach the gospel.
We can encourage them to accept the Messiah.
Yeah, you want an inheritance.
You can have it.
Yes, you can, but only one way.
Only through Jesus.
He's the way, the truth, and the life, the only way.
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And then, apart from that, that's the eternal, ultimate sense of dealing with the spiritual matter of the heart.
But beyond that, there are temporal goods and temporal consequences things that are good, things that are bad.
So, in a political and cultural sense, then we need to exercise wisdom.
We need to think, like, okay, is it in our best interest to send billions of dollars to another country?
I would say no.
But, you know, we need, considering those things.
But the idea that, We need to politically align and we need to economically benefit and we need to culturally this and we need to blah, because these people are Christian adjacent and they still have some kind of covenant carved out and some promise on reserve for them and we need to ensure that they get it.
That is just not what the Bible teaches.
No, and that is, I mean, the biggest point temporally right now, right?
The practical implications.
Of this is right.
What is the Judeo-christian thing?
Right, it is, it is, it is secularism.
Right, we think it's the antidote to secular secularism.
To say oh, we need to return to our Judeo-christian traditions.
It's not right to to use the phrase Judeo-christian.
You might as well put a Coexist bumper sticker on your car.
That's right right no right, this country belongs to Jesus right right, he is god.
This is his right.
Not any other people, but his people.
That's right and right.
Therefore, right.
If you, if you want these blessings and benefits, you need to, you need to join yourself to him alone right um, and and and so, and apart from that yeah, there is no hope.
Yeah, and so today right, the idea that oh, we need to like, these are the special people that we need to carve out some, some space for them, and and and give them a seat at the table, and and all of these things.
No, you're putting the Coexist bumper sticker on your car right right you're.
You're rejecting the exclusivity of Christ.
If you do that, it has to be.
When we talk about things like Christian nationalism, which really just is a synonym for Christendom.
Right.
That's all it is.
Right.
It's not Judeo Christendom.
Right.
It is Christendom.
It's Christ's kingdoms, the kingdoms of this world becoming the kingdoms of our Lord Jesus Christ.
That's Christian nationalism, not Judeo Christian nationalism.
And if you want to ensure that whatever Christian nationalism we might attain to, if you want to ensure that it's immediately lost.
Yeah.
Then make it Judeo Christian nationalism.
No.
Then you're just right back to the secularism of the post revolutionary period.
We have Judeo Christian nationalism right now.
Yeah.
We already have that.
Yeah, it's called the GOP.
Right.
It's called the GOP.
It's called pluralism.
It's called polytheism.
It's called idolatry.
It's called secularism.
It's called perversion.
We already have Judaic nationalism.
We would like to have just Christian nationalism.
We want to stress and understand that that's what Paul does here.
It's only through Christ.
These promises, this covenant, it's only in Christ.
The slave woman is cast out.
And I look at this, and we've talked about this before in other episodes, that.
This exclusivity of Christ today and what is happening here, the slave woman was cast out nearly 2,000 years ago.
That covenant is over.
It's done.
Those categories of Jew and Gentile no longer exist whatsoever at all.
So the point to stress over and over and over again, I think, is that the people calling themselves Jews today, they hold to Jewish traditions that were preserved after the destruction of the temple, but there's no sacrifice.
There's no high priest, there's no temple.
None of the aspects of Old Covenant religion exist anymore right, and they can't exist because Christ has come right, the point of them has been fulfilled right, right.
So all they have left is, like a debating society like really, that's it.
Right, that's what the talmud is.
It's just a, a record of debates among rabbis, right?
That's all that they have left.
That is not the religion of the old Testament right right, it's.
It is a Post-christian religion, and so that the biblical term Jew, or Israelite or Hebrew, right?
That belongs to the covenant people of the old covenant, right?
That doesn't exist anymore because that old creation is completely gone, right?
To say that it does exist is to say the world is still ruled by demons and angels and everything else and that Christ is not seated at the right hand of God.
Yeah.
Right.
If we say that, that means, right, that term Jew today, it doesn't mean what the Bible calls Jew.
Right.
Right.
It means people of a particular ethnic heritage that practice a particular religion today in the 21st century.
Right.
Those are distinct and separate things.
Yeah.
And so people get those confused all the time.
They think that, well, when the Bible says Jew, it's talking about, you know, Jewish people today.
It's not at all.
Jews today have no connection.
Yeah.
Not biblically.
Right.
Not biblically.
Maybe biblically, not covenantally, and maybe partially ethnically in terms of DNA.
But there are plenty of non-Jews that also have that connection, that genetic connection.
Yeah.
And so again, right, that people, that category, that distinct category.
Category that God has made in humanity in the old covenant, Jew and Gentile, those are completely gone.
So, those are not the same people.
There's not the same category any longer, right?
So, Jews in the biblical sense, right, they do not exist today anymore.
It's only Christians and non Christians.
That's right.
Amen.
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