John Doyle and the hosts argue that conservatives' mid-20th-century strategic error of prioritizing economics over art ceded cultural institutions to the radical left, creating a survivalist mentality. They contend that removing financial patronage for woke culture will allow society to heal, urging a pivot from reactionary tactics like homesteading to actively building high culture rooted in truth and beauty. By embracing enduring virtues—even if it initially appears as "LARPing"—Christians can dismantle left-wing power structures and restore a Christ-exalting state where future generations naturally inherit a thriving, virtuous society. [Automatically generated summary]
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Building Culture Over Reaction00:14:25
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Conservatives today love to mock the excesses of woke culture.
Blue haired activists screaming about oppression, corporate HR departments policing pronouns, Hollywood churning out another soulless, CGI infested morality play, and it's easy to laugh.
But let's be honest, what has conservatism built in its place?
For the last half century, conservatives have prided themselves on winning elections, cutting taxes, and deregulating markets, while ceding nearly every artistic, Literary and cultural institution to the radical left.
But now, with President Trump's victory, we have a window, an opportunity to build something real, a culture rooted in truth, beauty, and Christian ideals.
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For my entire lifetime, conservatives have been in survival mode, but for the first time in the providence of God, it seems as though we may have some tailwinds.
So, how do we turn this momentum into a lasting cultural legacy?
Let's get into it with special guest John Doyle from Heck Off Commie.
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Today, we're going to be talking about the moment that we're in, but specifically, is it possibly time when conservatives and Christians could again begin to build?
Culture.
Now, as I was doing some research for this, I started Googling around conservative culture building, Christian culture building, Christian conservative culture building.
And I realized like this is actually something that Christians think about a lot.
The problem is, almost all the searches that I was finding were how to build a vibrant church culture, how to have a church culture that is different than the world, how to have a church culture that is like the world.
And the idea of culture, at least whenever I put the label Christian, sometimes even conservative in front of it, I was getting how to have.
A conservative business culture, or how to have your church have a certain type of culture.
And it kind of surprised me.
And I thought for all of our talk about culture, culture, culture this, culture that, I actually think in a lot of ways we have no idea what we're talking about when we talk about building culture.
What is culture?
How do we build culture?
What is it?
And I did some reading of some really great articles and we'll share some quotes from those later on.
But if you listen at all to Jeff Childers from Coffee and COVID, Just this week, he was pointing out the fact that a lot of things that tend to build and change in culture have been stagnant in America for the last 25 years.
So, music has been figured out by computers and it's just on a repeat loop.
There's really no new innovation or nothing of note coming from music.
Movies are bigger budget and more action, but they're not really like there's been no culturally defining since Lord of the Rings, really, I would say.
Even he was.
Pointing out, and I didn't do the research here, so I'm taking his word out of it.
But he was saying, even fashion trends have like just kind of stalled.
And he said, if you go to a restaurant, it used to be that you'd know clothing from the 70s and from the 80s.
And he said that, you know, by and large, even fashion has just kind of been on autopilot.
And it got me really thinking about what it is that we're trying to accomplish when we talk about Christian culture, conservative culture.
And a lot of what we have had to do because we've been living in a negative world is re.
Or react against or respond to woke culture or DEI culture.
And so, some of the best examples of building culture that we get, Nate, you can put the picture of the movie poster on the screen, is we get things like the Daily Wire's Lady Ballers, right?
Which, okay, great, fine, funny movie, I guess.
I didn't see it.
But this is a reaction movie.
This is a reaction against something that's going on in culture rather than building culture.
And even before the episode started, Wes and I were talking about how rough the years were back when, you know, the best that Christianity had to offer was movies like Fireproof.
Which, for the record, Love the heart of the people that said, We're going to make an explicitly Christian movie.
We're going to put a gospel message in there.
We're going to do our best.
So, we're not here like, So, you actually did try to make some culture and it was terrible.
Can't believe it.
Yeah.
Praise God for the energy and the heart behind it.
But, like, we're going to talk about, there's just a piece of the puzzle missing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, for lots of reasons that are understandable, I'm not here just to necessarily throw shade.
Like, we have been.
And as we found out with the USAID and the funding of all these wicked and counternatural.
Impulses, like we actually, Christians and conservatives have actually been fighting against a wave and an effort to create aberrant and distorted culture.
And so it's not necessarily understandable why some of our response to culture has been reactionary.
We have to reject the woke, we have to reject the gay, we have to reject the feminist.
And yet it leaves us at this point that I think is catching some of us off guard, where, as Joel said in the Cold Open, The tailwinds, right?
Maybe we're at a moment now where we can stop reacting and start actually creating something.
The last thing I wanted to say about this, just kind of by way of introducing the topic, is I don't know, this week or last week, we talked about the idea that Christians tend to view the gospel as countercultural.
And we talked about that in one of the early previous episodes recently.
And I heard growing up all the time, Christianity is countercultural.
The gospel is countercultural.
Everything about the Bible and the Bible's message is countercultural.
And so we had this phrase that we coined in the 90s and the 2000s, the economy of mercy, which I understand what we're saying.
There was a good Switch Fit song about that at the time.
But this idea that everything in the kingdom is upside down from what we would see here in the world.
And of course, there's like so many things, there's a spiritual reality and a spiritual truth there.
But after the episode, I was thinking about that a lot and I thought, If a Christian is told that the gospel in the Bible is by definition and always countercultural, then there's no place for Christianity in building culture.
Right.
There's no place in thinking as a conservative or as a Christian of how I'm going to build culture because.
Because if you actually had a Christian culture in society at large, then the church would have to be antagonistic to it.
100%.
It's basically the church just saying, it's the same as liberals.
You lick your finger, stick it up in the air, and see which way the wind is blowing so that you can go with it.
But if we're not careful, Christians can be merely contrarians where we just do the opposite.
We're still licking our finger, putting in the wind, seeing which direction the wind is blowing, and then we just determine the opposite.
So if you actually have a Christian culture in society at large, then the church actually has to embody some kind of anti Christian culture, which to be frank, I think that is kind of what conservatives have done.
And we've got to find a way to shake it.
This is part of what I'm probably going to be discussing at the New Christendom Conference coming up in June.
I'll be one of the speakers there.
I'm honored to get to go back and do that now for a second time.
But my talk from last year when they had me was I talked about, you know, basically the whole point was you win by winning.
You know, like it was pretty simple, but quite novel for many Christians, even today still haven't quite got the memo, but especially midway, you know, summer of last year, that was, you know, I think a lot of people were tempted to, They just had this mindset of we win by losing.
It's an over realized doctrine of theology of the cross and over realized suffering, kind of a John Piper poverty gospel.
So you win by losing, you win by dying.
And so then all of a sudden, Christianity can become, in a sense, suicidal because you actually think that that's the goal.
You actually think that that becomes symmetric.
For success, is how much are we being persecuted?
Baptists are notorious with this.
Baptists have a very unusual, peculiar relationship with persecution.
On the one hand, they fear it more than anything else, right?
There's so many Baptists who are like, we can't, you know, I remember in 2022, you know, advocating for Christian nationalism, and Baptists were some of the biggest opponents to that idea.
And they're like, we can't have Christian nationalism because if we do, then, you know, if you have a state that's Christian, then they're going to start, you know, inflicting punishments and persecution on the Baptists.
You know, for not baptizing our babies, we're going to get.
Flogged or beaten or thrown in jail.
And I'm like, I mean, even when you look historically, when those things actually did happen, you're talking about the numbers are so small, especially by comparison when you think of all the abuses under secular humanism, right?
This idea, this myth of neutrality, by having a neutral state, a non religion, it's not Christian, it's not, you know, it's a secular state.
Well, what's the worst that could happen under that?
I don't know, maybe 70 million dead babies, right?
And you're like, honestly, if a few Baptists get flogged, well, I would take that personally.
If it means that me and a couple other dozen Baptists are mistreated, yes.
Is that sin?
Yes.
Would that be wrong?
Yes.
But I'd take that any day of the week over 70 million dead babies.
Like a grown man being sore for a couple days versus the death of a child?
Yeah.
So, anyways, Baptists have this weird religion.
On the one hand, the Baptist is notoriously afraid of persecution, the Baptist has the loser theology.
Run so deep in the Baptist mind that, uh, because that's that's the funny thing is that, like, again, back to 2022 and the Christian nationalism, you know, debates that were happening, you know, online, Baptists outnumber Presbyterians in our country 10 to 1.
And yet the loser theology runs so deep, they inherently believed that if we had a Christian state, it would be Presbyterian, it would be Pado Baptist instead of Credo Baptist.
10 to 1, we outnumber them.
And they're thinking, yeah, but if the state becomes Christian, It'll be some other brand of Christianity because we're Baptist and we lose.
We lose, right?
That's like if there's anything the Baptists do, it's they baptize upon a profession of faith and they lose, right?
That's the MO.
On the other hand, back to this relationship with persecution that's so weird, I can't quite comprehend it.
They're afraid of persecution more than anything in the world, and it's also their secret fantasy, like their greatest aspiration, the Baptist silent, quiet, unspoken, greatest ambition and dream.
That he could possibly have is that one day he would be John Bunyan and imprisoned for preaching without the proper papers.
So it's like the Baptist is terrified of persecution, sacralism, or whatever you want to call it.
He's terrified of persecution.
And also, he's rooting for it.
He's in the same breath.
It's like, we can't do that because if we had a Christian state, Baptists would be persecuted more than an anti Christian state?
The Fear of Persecution00:06:18
Yes.
Number one, I don't know how your math adds up with that.
But then, number two, we can't do it because Baptists would be persecuted if we had a Christian state.
And then, dot, dot, dot, the fine print is, And also, that would be awesome.
So, anyways, all that being said, the Baptist is committed.
I said one thing, but to be fair, it's two baptizing upon a profession of faith and ensuring that we lose in every meaningful battle that you could possibly undertake.
That's kind of where we are.
So, all that being said, Baptists, it was a lot of Baptists that were against Christian nationalism.
They also, around that same time and still to this day, are very much against Christian culture.
They don't want a broader Christian culture because they think that a Christian culture means that it necessitates a nominal.
Christian culture and a nominal Christian culture will produce nominal Christian institutions, nominal Christian seminaries that will train nominal Christian pastors with nominal Christian doctrine so that you'll have nominal Christian gospel proclamations, so that you'll have ultimately a bunch of, you'll have an epidemic of false assurance.
You'll have a bunch of people who think they're Christians, but they're not.
And I just, I reject that.
I outright reject it.
Basically, to sum it up, to make it simple, what they're saying is that.
Is that a Christian state would necessitate a faithless church?
And I don't know.
I don't know how you, in principle, like now you can point historically to certain periods in time where that happened, where you had a Christian state, it was a Christian society at large, and the church, whether it be in England or something like that, and the church chose to embrace certain abuses or compromises or things like that.
So that is possible that you could have this overlap where Christianity is not just within the church, but there's.
Christianity and the government, as well as in the state and the civil realm, and then the church gets lackadaisical or the church gets too big for its britches and you know starts to put into play indulgences, you know, or things like that.
So, there are historical moments where that's happened, but in principle, there's nothing biblical that necessitates, as a principle, that a faithful state means that you must have, therefore, a faithless church.
I'll say that again.
Biblically speaking, historically, you can point to case studies.
There will always be anomalies.
Okay, but that's experience.
So, in practice, you can find examples.
But in principle, not practice, but in principle, there is no biblical, principial argument that says a faithful state necessitates a faithless church.
Nothing.
You can't make that argument from the scripture.
So, then as Christians, Should we want the state to be anti Christian or should we want it to be Christ esteeming?
And I would think that it would be the latter, that given those two choices, we would want a state that exalts Christ rather than blasphemes Christ.
And so then, if you can accomplish that by the grace of God, and it has been accomplished before, so this is not mere theoretical talk.
We're talking about something that I believe, first and foremost, the scripture supports.
And secondly, not only do we have a principle from Scripture to support it, but we also have, in this case, both.
We have the principle from Scripture and the history.
There are moments where you have had a Christian state.
And so, if it's happened before, and we're not talking about something that happened 3,000 years ago, if it's happened before in our history, in our recent history, and here in these United States, so it's happened before, it's happened recently before, and it's happened here before.
If that's the case, then I believe that by God's grace, maybe it could be achieved again.
And if slash when it's achieved again, then conservatives and Christians and I know it's hard, guys, but even Baptists, if we have a Christian state and a broader Christian culture, Baptists will have to find a way to embrace Christian culture within that macrocosm and not be just a contrarian as a microcosm within it.
And I feel like that's all, my whole life, that's all Reformed Christianity has been.
That's literally all.
It's which microcosm are you a part of, right?
So you have the macro is seeker sensitive Christianity.
So then the micro is John MacArthur.
But if you're really, it's like inception, like Leonardo DiCaprio.
But if you're really enlightened, then you'll be a dream within a dream within a dream.
You'll be a microcosm within a microcosm within a microcosm.
So it's like you've got seeker sensitive Christianity at the macro level.
Then you've got John MacArthur.
But then once John MacArthur picks up enough momentum and he's got a big enough ministry, well, now you need a contrarian for John MacArthur, who was already a contrarian to the large, you know.
And so now you have the anti seeker sensitive, but also anti John MacArthur, but all, you know.
And then it just splinters and splinters and splinters and splinters.
And every group is just merely a contrarian reaction to the other group.
Nobody's actually building anything.
We're just all pointing and criticizing everything.
No one's building anything.
You're just criticizing everything.
And that's where we are.
And the last thing I'll say is I think part of that is because of the bad theology and things I've already addressed.
But I think also part of it is because we're so used to losing.
We're so used to the majority being against us.
We are so pessimistic.
In our view of the world, um, we ultimately we just think that we really do believe that we lose down here, and so, um, that said, what do you do if God in His providence decides to shake things up?
And it looks like that might be what's happening.
I understand that there's a lot of people, you know, who think it's all just a psyop, you know, the nothing ever happens, bros, you know, like this is you know, Trump's got you right where he wants you, he's just making you think, you know, this and that, but really, he's gonna.
You know, he's about to pull the rug out from underneath you, and it's going to be even worse than Kamala, you know.
Tailwinds for Christian Society00:02:46
And, um, and, and yeah, sure, that's a possibility.
But for a moment, could we just consider what if it's not?
Like, what if at the larger level, culturally, with society as a whole, beyond merely the church, what if things are improving?
What if things are improving?
And if that's the case, then, then Christians have to shift.
And this is kind of what I want to talk about at New Christendom Press.
Um, Christians will have to shift from survival mode to taking the next hill and securing the next victory and then moving on and going for more, going for broke.
I think all this back to our topic today with culture.
I think part of the reason we don't have much of a culture is because culture creating requires a high risk tolerance.
It requires risk.
So even when I think historically of great cultural things, you know, people always say, like, white people don't have culture.
It's like, Have you seen an opera, a symphony, a ballet?
Like, have you been to France?
Have you been to England?
Like, what do you mean white people don't have a culture?
White people have an incredible culture.
And not just an incredible culture among all these other cultures that are equally incredible.
Nope, not every culture is equal.
And European culture for the last thousand years has been in large part a superior culture, precisely because, not despite, but because it has been so heavily influenced by the Christian gospel and the Christian faith.
We have had, not only have we had a culture, we've had an incredible culture.
But it's been the dominant culture for so long that it's like a fish swimming in water.
You know, two fish swimming by, and one of them says, The water sure is nice today.
And the other one says, What's water?
You know, so what is Christian culture?
What is European culture?
What's white culture?
Because we've been living in it like a fish in water, which is all you know for centuries, for centuries.
But my point is that during so much of these moments where Christendom is shining, or as, you know, Bunyan, to use him as an example, John Bunyan in Pilkin's Progress, he would say, When religion is walking through the streets, And being praised by the populace on the sidelines, and she's walking in her robes and her glass slippers.
She's well adorned, she's appreciated rather than despised.
In those moments, which we have had many in European and American culture throughout Christendom over the past several centuries, in those moments, here's one of the things that you have you have tailwinds.
And with tailwinds comes prosperity, opulence, and with that comes opportunity.
Affording Cultural Risk00:13:33
To where you can afford to risk.
So, like, when you look back and you think, who are some of the great minds, like, not just with theology, Jonathan Edwards, Martin Luther, but even when you look at beyond that, again, culture, like, when you look at music, Beethoven, Mozart, all that, like, what's one thing that they have in common?
They're all rich.
Like, sometimes I think, how did Luther afford to write all the time?
Oh, that's right, he had servants.
Yeah.
How could Edwards just sit and go on his horse?
For 12 hours and think all day about slaves.
There were a lot of writers who were impoverished, but they gave up some of the other things in order to produce their art.
Right.
They gave up family life.
Somehow they created a surplus, whether it was depriving themselves of relationship or of temporal comforts or whatever.
But in order to create culture, you have to take risk.
And in order to take risk, you have to have an opportunity, you have to have a surplus.
And I think so.
When you think of recent conservative Christian culture, This is what you think of.
You think of homesteading.
Right.
Well, what is homesteading?
Like, what does that spring out of?
Oh, I know what that springs out of.
That springs out of thinking the world's about to end.
That springs out of I've got five kids.
I need to be able to feed them when China invades, you know, or whatever.
And so, you know, we're, in addition to my 40 hour a week job, you know, we're doing a garden in the backyard, you know, and who are we learning from?
Who's inspiring us?
A guy who is self sufficient by homesteading and what he, Neglected to include is the fact that he actually made all of his money in software engineering.
Behind every homesteading wife on Instagram is a man who works in software.
Seriously, all of them.
All of them.
All of them.
But I read this book called, I won't say it because I don't want to disparage him.
Yep, that guy too.
All of them.
So the point is, I'm not trying to poo poo.
You want to just start good habits and do something together as a family, touch grass, learn where your food comes from.
There's plenty of good reasons to do it.
I don't think practically for survival.
Like, if you just practically want to survive, if everybody's starving, then your neighbors are going to get into your garden, right?
Have you ever read Peter Rabbit?
You know, I'm familiar with that book.
That's what's going to happen.
So, if it's just survival, go to Costco, buy a bunch of the buckets, lock it up in your garage, you know, and there you go.
There's your survival.
But there are good reasons to homestead and these kinds of things, get your chickens and get this and get that.
One, to have food that's not poisoned.
That makes sense.
That makes sense.
But in addition to that, just to do something as a family and to teach good work habits and to, you know, there's plenty of virtue, virtue reasons besides just mere survival practical reasons.
But here's my point I think that.
Not historically, so now I'm shifting to the microcosm.
Recently, over the last decade and a half, as we've gone, you know, Aaron Rennes, you know, positive, neutral, and negative world, as we've shifted into negative world, a lot of conservative thinking, if there is any conservative culture whatsoever, it's all been built around survival.
It's all been built around a minority mentality, a remnant mentality.
And so those are the scriptures that get the limelight, is, you know, little flock.
A remnant, the few, the proud, and this survival kind of mentality, and how to be off the grid or here's a parallel economy, right?
So then the businesses that do start, the big thrust is not necessarily having an innovative product, but simply, hey, you don't want to support woke guys who hate you, do you?
So give your money to us.
Okay, what do you provide?
Well, we provide a product exactly like theirs, except a little bit lower quality and a higher price.
And an American flag on the tag.
And an American flag.
Right, exactly.
But then, whenever there's some serious conservative issue, you can count on us not to support it and actually turn on our own base like Black Rifle Coffee did with Kyle Rittenhouse.
Right.
With conservatives like these, who needs liberals?
So, all that being said, I think that we're entering into a period where, for the first time in a while, we're about to have.
Some series, I think we have them now, and it's only going to pick up not headwinds, but tailwinds.
And with tailwinds comes a surplus.
And with surpluses, we must be able to shift the mindset from survival culture to thriving culture.
We now have excess.
We can afford to not just conservatives, what's your culture?
Homesteading in the backyard.
No, we can actually take risks.
We could actually produce great art.
We could do things like Christendom passed when it was like, how did that guy afford all the time of the day to write?
Well, because he actually had some means and he had other people that he could afford to pay to do menial tasks.
Like we are entering that season of life, not because we're bringing back slaves.
I'm not saying that, but whether it's AI.
Our AI slaves.
That's what I'm saying.
So technologically, so whether it's AI, the fact that you have JD Vance, who just now basically today canceled cancel culture.
He said, Yeah, I disagree with what that young guy said under a pseudonym.
I think that that's atrocious.
But he shouldn't have his life ruined.
Elon.
I think you should hire him again.
And then Elon said, Yep, I think we're going to bring him back.
Yep.
And he's getting a second chance.
So if we're not in survival mode because cancel culture is dissipating and the economy may be improving, and your workplace may not be going into a den of lions where the slightest slip up and you're fired.
If all these things are changing, if we really are going to deport millions that are a drain, a constant burden on.
Our wallets, and all of a sudden everybody has a little extra money in their pockets, a little lighter step, skipping their step, a little less worry about being canceled and having their lives ruined, then homesteading probably shouldn't be our culture moving forward.
I know why it was looking back.
It probably shouldn't be moving forward.
Even guys like, I so appreciate Andrew Torba.
I really do.
People will be like, oh, you're endorsing Andrew Torba.
Well, he said this anti Semitic thing, or he said, well, this is where I wish I physically had a copy of the Donald Trump card, you know, that says, who cares, right?
You can play this card, you know, and everybody has to just buzz off.
But I don't agree with everything that Torba says.
But I believe he's a Christian brother.
I love him and appreciate him.
And I'm not going to be ashamed of him.
So publicly, I like Andrew Torba.
Deal with it.
I don't know what to tell you.
That said, during negative, like the height of negative world, he started Gab, a parallel economy business for free speech.
This is what most people, what most conservatives would be tempted to do and would have done.
All of a sudden, the wind starts shifting.
The vibe shift is happening.
Like, think about this Elon Musk buys Twitter, turns it into X, and starts loosening up, replaces, fires 90% of the staff, gets rid of the fact checkers, and replaces them with community notes.
And right now, even today, is like, yeah, I'm going to hire back that guy that the left tried to cancel.
We're no longer going to cancel our own.
You would think that someone like Torba, he would have every financial, practically speaking, every financial incentive to say, it's just a psyop, Musk, and just post every single day, right?
I mean, this is what he's known for, anyways.
Why not lean into it?
Just post every single day the picture of Musk wearing the tiny hat and going to the magical wall and praying, and pictures of Trump.
Torba didn't do that.
He refused to be a contrarian.
He refused to be an incessant black pillar.
And this isn't just somebody who has those convictions.
His livelihood is tied up in this.
Because think about this if X really does become a free speech platform like it is currently, then who needs Gap?
Who needs Gap?
You are literally working for your number one competitor by encouraging Elon and working with him.
Who does that?
That is so counterintuitive.
You want to talk about being countercultural?
Who does that?
I'll tell you who Christians who actually don't just want to win personally, but actually want to see the glory and the fame of Jesus win.
They want the knowledge of the glory of God to cover the whole earth as the waters cover the sea.
Torah actually wants to win, even if it means him personally.
It's almost like I'm not making a one to one comparison, it would be blasphemous.
Just I want to paint the picture in your mind.
This is a much lesser degree, but similar concept.
When Jesus comes on the scene, John the Baptist says, He must increase.
I must decrease.
It's like Elon Musk comes on the scene, who is not Jesus.
Understand the analogy.
It's merely an analogy.
And Torba, instead of saying, He's trying to pull the wool over your head.
This is actually a psyop.
He's actually, you know, he wears the tiny hat.
He's actually a Zionist.
Instead, he says, All right, maybe Gab has served its function, right?
There was a season where we needed Gab, it was the only place we had.
But if the whole world.
Can speak freely, that's better.
I want what's better for humanity and for the glory of God, not just for Andrew Torba.
And that's the position he took.
Conservatives are going to have to think like that.
And for some of you guys, it's going to mean that durable trades is not actually going to be the focus for the next four years.
And I understand why it was for the last four years, but it may not be the next move.
Durable trades, chickens in the backyard, I should start a Gab account.
Are we posting enough on Rumble?
Because all of a sudden, survival culture doesn't have to be our fate.
Thriving culture with a surplus, with tailwinds that allows for risk taking.
And it's people who take risk.
That's your great artist that set culture for centuries.
It's the guy who took a risk, it's the musician who did something new, innovative.
And honestly, people who are barely hanging on, people impoverished, people afraid, people scared.
They don't set culture because culture requires art.
Great art requires courage.
And we are now in the promise of God being placed positionally where we can exercise courage without it, meaning the end of our family and our children.
And so I think we're going to see more conservatives and Christians stepping out, taking courage.
But don't wait 10 years.
The wind is shifting now.
The sons of Issachar know the time.
Seize it.
Don't wait.
Don't be late to the game.
The Lord is doing something.
He's doing something new.
Move with God.
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Profitable Culture Making00:15:35
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Cool.
All right.
So I've got Michael Belch and Wesley Todd with me.
Michael has kind of outlined this episode and he's got some questions queued up that he wants to ask you.
Sure.
Thanks for joining us today, John.
In preparation for the episode, we listened to the video that you did about a year ago on why conservatives suck at culture.
And one of the things that you mentioned in that video was that part of it was because we live in a time then where degeneracy is promoted and promulgated and pushed.
And one of the big questions that we're trying to answer with this episode is, even before we get into culture making and why it matters, are we seeing for the first time in a while a time where true culture, which is the admiration of the good, the beautiful, and the true, Can that have a hearing in the public square now?
Is what Trump is seeking to tear apart and undo?
Are we seeing the dawn of possibly conservatives and Christians being able to, like you said in the video, like it has to be profitable for culture makers to some degree to make the culture or else they won't be able to?
Are we on that tipping point, do you think?
I think we could be in a very real sense simply because so much of what has allowed these people to spread evil and ugliness throughout society is that they are rewarded for doing this monetarily.
And through Trump attacking something like, you know, the USAID program, which is literally just like a patronage network that pays all sorts of activists and NGOs and people who are right now responsible for making culture very, very handsome salaries to just spread ugliness and evil throughout society.
If that incentive goes away, these people are going to be unemployed and they probably all have significant student debt.
And so their lives are going to be ruined because they've been living in service of evil.
And when that goes away, when you no longer are just walking throughout society and seeing such evil and ugliness like pushed in your face, I think that people will tend to sort of heal and go back to making things that are more wholesome and reflective of a more wholesome spirit, which really is just what culture is.
I mean, I think it's just a natural reflection of the spirit of the people.
And if that spirit is corroded and polluted, it's going to look a certain way.
But if it's allowed to sort of exist and become more wholesome, then it's going to exist in a much more wholesome way, which is, I think, what we've seen for a very long time in this country until the past maybe 60 years or so.
And so I'm optimistic on the basis of that.
And I think people too are just repulsed by it.
I mean, they're sick of having to see like these like fat, Models on billboards in Times Square.
They're sick of seeing, you know, children treated like prostitutes and Netflix programs.
They're just like fed up with it, but they didn't really have an avenue for reproach until, thankfully, by the grace of God, this administration.
Yeah, well said.
I think it's profoundly encouraging because, like you said, with the patronage network and the money going away, like right wing propaganda, like what is it?
A loving family, a father going to work, a family attending church.
The point is, it's free.
It's free to make children, for example.
So it's really free and it's just living life that encourages people to pursue the good, the true, and the beautiful.
And then the other side, to make people think that flat, fat black women in Calvin Klein is beautiful, well, that takes millions and millions and millions of dollars.
So that's really encouraging that our stuff, free, easy, wonderful, awesome, enjoyable to do.
And for them to do it, it required decades of setting up some type of infrastructure to even support for, I don't know, two, three years, maybe.
People may be believing, like, oh, yeah, you know, being gay is just the same as being straight.
And it all came collapsing down anyway.
So I'm profoundly encouraged by that.
Right.
Yeah.
And something like that could only exist with people tuned into screens all day, every day, which we are.
It's just the way our society is.
And for that propaganda to be just pushed in your face at all times could, like you said, sustain that suspension of belief for maybe three years or so.
But I mean, once push came to shove, it all collapsed pretty quickly and people are tired of it.
Yep.
John, in that video that I mentioned of yours earlier, which to our audience, if you want a really great listen, that video was fantastic on John Dole's YouTube channel.
Do you remember the title, John?
Well, thank you for saying that.
Yes, the video was titled Why Conservatives Can't Create Culture, I think.
Something like that.
I think that's right.
Yep.
So, two things that you said in that video, I'm wondering if they've changed now given the current cultural and political climate or not.
One of the things that you said was when you were in college, a lot of the, especially the white students who were having to take the required DEI class, sorry, not DEA, they would do what they had to do to get a passing grade, but they just were not buying it.
They were not retaining it.
It was really just.
Water off the duck's back.
And you went through some of the statistics about the people who think that the founding fathers were villains.
And really, you said, like, the majority of culture of the nation, actually, most people don't.
The other thing that you said was culture is the production of the soul of a society.
And so I'm wondering how you would rate American society right now.
Are we capable right now of producing good, meaningful culture?
Is the soul of society, has most of this, the events of the past, Five, 10 years been water off the duck's back?
Or do we have to do some repair to the soul of the society before we can expect really any sort of meaningful culture to start being produced?
To answer the second half first, I think that we absolutely can now that the boot is kind of being removed from our necks.
And I think that what really, like what people regard as high culture or things that become very popular are started because of those, you know, one in one million examples of people who are very talented and gifted in their particular fields, awarded those gifts by something divine.
And when they're allowed to express that and people are allowed to gravitate towards that, that ends up creating cultural traditions which define our society.
And I think what we've experienced in the last few decades is what people are calling stuck culture.
We seem to be stagnant.
We're just taking the same thing and repackaging it and releasing it, whether that's popular film franchises or tropes in literature.
I mean, when's the last time a good book was published?
People are reading slot from the New York Times bestseller list or stuff that you can pick up in an airport bookstore, but nothing really seems to be profound.
To be honest with you, a lot of that is just simply related to our immigration policy because you are importing literally tens of millions of people who have never experienced American culture, which means they haven't been around long enough to sort of see the rhymes and the repetitions to where they wouldn't want to participate in it.
And then also, they're coming from parts of the world which, frankly, are just less intelligent on average.
And so they are willing to sort of go into the movie theater for the millionth time to watch the superhero movie because to them, it's like always going to be a new experience.
Whereas people who are maybe a little bit more intelligent who have been in America, For longer amounts of time, we're not going to just keep buying into the same slop.
We require something that's a little bit fresher, a little bit more intelligent, whereas other countries just simply are not exactly producing that type of person.
And in terms of the first part of the question, which was, I believe, about people buying into this sort of like self hatred indoctrination narratives, I think that's true.
And a lot of people who say that the country is being taught to hate itself are coming out of an academic tradition, which is just a lot older.
Than the one we have now.
And so, speaking from my experience in high school and in the tour of service I did at college before dropping out, I think it is true that the instinct to be self hating is not something that's natural to Americans.
And so, you can take a DEI class and you can learn about how everybody who ever did anything great in America was actually evil, and we have to elevate the accomplishments of everybody else who actually invented the whole world.
And it was only the evil white people who found out about that and then took everything and then made it so it seemed like they invented it.
You don't have people who are like ready to subscribe to that.
And the types of people who are seem to already have something bad going on in their own lives, which is why if you look at the people who are the most militantly far left, like the Antifa mugshots, they all sort of look a certain way.
They seem to have something going on with them that exists independently from the fact that they took a class and learned this information.
Otherwise, you would see people who didn't look like they were spiritually ill professing these same beliefs, which of course you do.
It does infect everybody to a certain extent.
But the point that I was trying to make in that video was basically that.
If you have people who are doing well spiritually, they're not going to be, you know, ready to hop on the bandwagon for why they should hate themselves.
I mean, if they've done wrong, of course, they're going to want to make right by that.
But it is a certain type of person that we're creating in society, which is anxious and depressed and hollow.
And they are very willing to find a way to rationalize that through indoctrination, which tells them that they can be saved by the grace of repenting for the sins of their ancestors, being defined as being really mean to.
Indians, or really mean to Africans, or what have you.
And the type of person who is not spiritually maladjusted, who goes in and they're clean cut, good looking, relatively intelligent, they hear that and they laugh at it.
And then it's their choice if they want to go along with it and take the A in the class or push back, play devil's advocate, or what have you.
But I don't think it's enough to diagnose the problem as simply like the information is bad.
Like, sure, the information is bad, it's dishonest, it should be corrected.
But really, I think why it's effective is downstream from a spiritual crisis that the country has been experiencing.
Particularly within the younger generations.
I want to follow up with that and then I'll pass it back over to the other two guys.
But as I was researching, I came across this really interesting quote.
Nate, this is quote one, if you can put it on the screen.
If not, I'll just read it.
And this is by Jason Jewell in an article called The Conservative Abandonment of Culture.
And he's talking about a turning point in the fork of the road of conservatism in US politics.
And he says this he says, a powerful utilitarian bias in the conservative movement.
Relegated these figures, which are the truly artistic figures, and others like them to the margins by the mid 1960s in favor of a focus on economics, business, and practical politics.
This choice was a strategic error because electoral and policy victories could not check or reverse the eroding of America's moral and cultural foundations.
Conservatives today tend to have, quote, unmusical personalities and, quote, feel no deep existential need for poetry, novels, paintings, symphonies, films, and such, end quote.
By ceding to the left literature, the arts, and culture more generally, the fields that shape society's moral vision, conservatives unwittingly open the door to woke capitalism and cancel culture.
So, this is what you mentioned in your previous answer about high culture.
Is it endemic to the conservative movement or even MAGA?
I'm curious that we have abandoned high culture.
And is that a problem?
Do we need to recover it?
Yeah, I think it was absolutely a strategic error, which is why a lot of times you will see this crude attempt to mimic that by creating like these very self referential things.
Like they will say that, you know, an example of right wing culture would be like if we had a painting of Ronald Reagan riding a velociraptor, shooting like a Mach 10 or something.
And it's like, that's not exactly, it's actually far closer to what you described earlier as simply like, you know, a father and his family.
You know, most art throughout history.
Is actually conservative or is actually right wing.
And they'll ad hoc try to describe it as otherwise, but it is true.
Really, what defines like left wing art is going to be something that is in its nature revolutionary or disordered, which tends to be something that actually purposefully tries to be ugly or, you know, bad simply to call into question, well, what even is beauty?
What even is art?
If I make something ugly, it's not that I'm not a talented artist, it's that I'm actually very profound because I'm calling into question what even is beauty.
And it's like, this is so self serving and foolish.
So, a lot of the right wing artists that we have today are very talented, but they simply can't find work.
Because the people who are in charge of funding these artists are not funding right wing artists.
And all of the artists that we have who are left wing are people who are very miserable and spiritually ill.
And they feel their interest, I'll put it this way their interest in art is not so much what the classic interest in art was, which was creating something to pay respect to the divine who awarded you that talent, but more so they are so narcissistic, they are deluding themselves into thinking that they have something to express and they have something to say.
Therefore, we need some sort of communist.
Egalitarian utopian society where I can somehow subsist and live and do nothing all day but create art is what they say.
I need to be able to make art because I have so much to say and so much to express that I need to be able to sit around all day and just make stuff.
And it's like, that's not because you actually have anything to say or anything to express.
You're just so narcissistic that you think that whatever your contribution to the world would be should be elevated to the level of Da Vinci or Beethoven or whomever.
So it's a completely different kind of psychology behind what drives the impulse to express.
Uh, oneself in art, and the only difference is for the last 60 years, it has been the leftist impulse which has been rewarded and the conservative impulse which has been punished.
Yeah, John, did you read the New Yorker article, The Cruel Kids Are Back in Town?
You know, I did, I skimmed it.
Okay, it was really fascinating.
I think it was Aaron McIntyre who commented on it.
He said, The right wing aesthetic, when it actually just does it organically, so it's not trying to bring in you know Reagan and the American flag and be really ham fisted about it, we actually like just organically, like.
Coming up in this movement, whatever's happening right now, it seems at some level we just instinctually like there's a really kind of classy, vibrant.
I think that would definitely be the term for what he's describing there from the parties, the balls, the elegance.
And of course, there's aspects where they're, you know, a little bit off the rails on one end or the other.
But it's really interesting because they're setting aside that old kind of Republican, that old guard utilitarian.
And we're really able, actually, it seems like what's happening is people just.
It's not even a formal movement.
There's not academic work spurring it, but they're like, we're going to dress really well.
We're going to look great while doing it.
We're going to be healthy.
We're going to look good.
And surprisingly, I think people are just doing it in a sense.
I don't know.
Was that your sense?
That cover photo obviously was super popular, just the edge and the image that it presented.
Sorry, I think I cut out for a second.
I think that's just the nature of mankind.
We want to root for the strong horse over the weak horse.
Launching Solid Conservative Culture00:06:01
We like People who put effort into their appearance, things you can't fake.
I mean, obviously, you can fake large aspects of your appearance, but there's a difference between putting effort into how you look and what you would see at any airport nowadays, where people are just wearing sweatpants and they've got portions of themselves spilling out over their clothing.
It's just like disgusting and repulsive.
So, yeah, I saw that photo and I saw the coverage surrounding it.
And I think that it's true that any time that left wing aesthetics have clashed with right wing aesthetics throughout history, right wing aesthetics have always won because they're reflective of something real.
And hierarchical and natural and left wing aesthetics pretty much define themselves in opposition to all of those things.
Like they seek to be disruptive and offensive, which when you're a child, that's attractive to you because you want to be 12 on a skateboard and flip people off and be rebellious.
But once you get a little bit older and you start taking things a little bit more seriously, you sort of fall into place and realize that that's all immature.
And anybody who retains those attitudes, past adolescents are, as we mentioned with the Antifa mugshots, always very disturbed, dysfunctional people.
Yeah.
Michael?
I'm just curious.
When you say right wing and left wing art has conflicted, do you have any offhand examples?
That's a really interesting idea to me.
No, not really.
I'm not an artist.
I really don't have any interest in art or art history.
But from what I browse on Twitter and from what I see people who do understand these things talk about, that seems to be the popular sentiment.
And I guess if you can just sort of tap into the cultural zeitgeist, so to speak, and what you would regard to be something that leftists think is like very profound, very high art, it does tend to be these things that are like deconstructive and revolutionary, and they seek to.
You know, portray a caricature of like white American Christian society and it is always vilified and they always have to have it lose against something that is more enlightened, be that because of inferior cultures or science or what have you.
And the opposite would be the case for truly conservative or right wing art where it is glorifying and upholding these things which have shaped our culture as opposed to denigrating them or as opposed to the sort of like, you know, other fork where they will then try to create like a conservative art that's like a film about.
Um, fighting off a school shooter because self defense, but then the person fighting off the school shooter is actually a girl because we still have this like retained spirit of feminism.
I think Daily Wire did that film a few years ago, so things like that where it wants to be on the mark, but they can't help themselves, but always kind of miss it.
Well said, Michael.
Are there any more uh quotes that you wanted to share that we could kind of spark?
No, I'll put some into our conclusion.
Okay, great.
Wes, any other questions that you have?
Nothing that comes to the top of my mind.
I would say, too, conservatives have been way too quick the past couple of years.
And John, you talked about this in your video.
Someone, anyone, it'll be John Fetterman, it'll be Nicki Minaj, they'll say something halfway just right wing or whatever.
And we're so quick to be like, what?
Nicki Minaj turned down the vaccine based.
And we're so desperate for any semblance of, I don't know if it's identity or vision or something like that.
The second someone, I think of the young Turk, she's like, Oh, I don't feel a little bit safe walking in my neighborhood.
So be so quick to latch onto that and to prop it up and be like, see, we're the party that is common sense.
And even these people are coming into it.
But if you have a good, thick culture, it needs to be almost resistant to change.
People are going to be wanting to get in to join.
It's like, no, actually, your views, your thoughts, your aesthetic, the things you've said in the past, they don't fit in.
This is much more carefully managed and curated.
And for now, at least, you don't belong.
Yeah.
I think there's something, John, to be said for.
Now, this is not sustainable.
It's not viable long term, but it's something that we can use to our advantage temporarily to kind of as a springboard to launch into a solid conservative Christian culture that actually has merit and can stand the test of time.
But a training wheels, if you will, to teach us, to give us some of the momentum to learn how to ride the bike again is just the inevitable phenomenon of that the cool kids.
So, like back to what you were saying, like that, you know, the The 12 year old on the skateboard flipping off the neighbors as he's, you know, bombing the hill, you know, whatever in the neighborhood.
Well, you can use that to your advantage.
Like Facebook, I think Orrin McIntyre said this, used this analogy, but there was a time when your grandma couldn't have Facebook.
And so it was cool.
There was a time where you had to have the college email, even to get a Facebook.
And then everybody has it.
Like at this point, for us, even with Right Response, we just kind of gave up on Facebook.
We did Facebook for a while and we just kind of stopped.
And same with Instagram.
I think Instagram is different than Facebook.
Facebook is kind of like for senior citizens, but Instagram has a younger crowd, but it's predominantly women.
And, you know, like on our YouTube channel, I think it's like 87% of our audience is male.
Women don't really like me very much.
So Instagram's not really a great platform for me to be on because it's just stepping into a lion's den.
And not really a lion's den, more of like a cat fight.
A house cat den.
But, anyways, all that being said, I think we've hit the point now where being a leftist isn't cool.
Like, you know, like, so, like, when your grandma gets a Facebook, once it's gone everywhere, like, it's the same with crypto, you know, like, when your grandma asks you how she can buy Bitcoin, you know, like, maybe, maybe you sell, you know, or at least for a while.
The Reward Culture Shift00:15:12
And I think, like, at this point, everybody is, you know, everybody's like, Uh, thinks you know, like, uh, white people are racist and the world is chauvinistic and misogynist, and blah blah.
Like, and there's a certain point where I feel like Gen Z, like, 40% of them are going to be, you know, like gay furries.
Um, but the other 60% are like shockingly conservative, like, alarmingly conservative, like, all the time.
Like, me and some of my friends with like New Christian Press and other guys, with like, people hate us, you know, on the internet, and we're like, wait till you meet our kids.
Like you think, like you will beg for us to return and try to, you know, get our kids under control.
Like, please, like, our kids think that we're normies.
Our kids are, like, so anyway.
So I think, like, the tide is turning.
There's a point where something gains so much critical mass that it's no longer cool to just toe the bottom line and to, you know, to keep in step.
And so I think, like, we're kind of hitting a point now where.
Wokeness, whatever you want to call it, the liberal order, um, has one, it's been just the veil has been lifted and it's been proven to be such a farce.
But also, it's not just that it's being revealed for being ugly and terrible and monstrous and all those things which are true, but also it's just, uh, it's predominant.
It's predominant.
And anybody who just, uh, goes with the flow, that's what you're doing.
You're just going with the flow.
There's nothing unique.
There's nothing original.
There's nothing novel.
There's nothing that would stand out.
It doesn't require any courage.
It doesn't, um, And so there's little reward.
Whereas right now on the right, like, yeah, cancel culture, you know, but cancel culture is fading.
And now it's kind of like a reward culture, right?
So, like, you don't get canceled on the left.
But I think we're hitting a point in the third act in the musical where on the left, like, there's still safety, but there's also, you don't have any risk, but you also have zero reward.
Zero reward.
Whereas on the right, it was all risk, you know.
And zero safety and zero reward.
Well, now the right is still less safe, but the risk is actually lessening.
And now there's just, I feel like every week there's an example or a case study or a story that drops where some guy on the right who took a risk, who did the right thing, is being publicly, internationally accredited with fame and reward, whether it's Daniel Penny or, you know.
And I think as that starts to happen and it's still the minority opinion, the younger generation is going to want to be on that team.
They're not going to want to be on their grandma's team.
You know, like they're going to want to, like, praise God, the boomers are probably not the best horse to bet on, you know.
But I think, like, I'm super hopeful when it comes to Gen Z.
I think 40% of them, like I said, are gay furries, and you can read the statistics for that, though, you know, like they'll be dead by 35.
And the other 60% are super based and are taking risks.
What do you think?
Yeah, you're absolutely right about that.
We even saw a very promising example of what you're describing today when you had a Gen Z, a Zoomer young man who was fired.
By Doge, by the Department of Government Efficiency, because he had posted some tweets where he was making jokes that were racist or something.
And popular sentiment online essentially called for him to be rehired.
And then Elon Musk pulled it.
JD Vance, our vice president, said that he agrees with the sentiment expressed online that he shouldn't be fired and have his life ruined because he was doxxed by some libtard journalist.
And then eventually today, Trump was asked what he thought.
And he said, I agree with the vice president.
The mechanisms to cancel people, which has always been something that the left has used, always called for by the left, enforced by the left, and the right has always cowered to it.
That now is not really a card that works because the vice president and the president are saying, we don't believe in this.
So if you're on the right and somebody says something that would offend leftist sensibilities at your organization, what are you going to do?
You're going to break from the vice president and the president?
They just gave you a license to kill.
They say, you don't have to do this anymore.
We don't have to be afraid of the left because they don't have power.
They're not cool.
And the only time they've ever been able to impose themselves are when they have that artificial sort of nanny state, tentacles are everywhere to where people are afraid and they just simply go along with it.
They post the black square, they wear the mask.
But now, if they don't have that power, yeah, you can defend yourself on the subway.
Yeah, you can speak your mind.
You can do whatever.
You can be normal.
You don't have to apologize for your ancestors.
And there's nothing cool about that.
Even women who are radically left wing will date guys like me and they can't help but be sort of attracted to how radical our politics are.
Because, I mean, if men can lie about our nature, I mean, women are really bad at that, especially because maybe there's some dissonance there between what they say and how they actually behave more so than with men.
But there's nothing attractive to anybody, especially women, about thinking that everybody should just be equal and get along and that would just be so nice.
And the only thing that's bad is when people are mean and when they're saying that equality is bad.
Like, there's nothing more unattractive to people than that.
And that is the governing orthodoxy of the country, or at least it was before.
Trump was sworn in, and I think it's going away, and it's going away very quickly, and we're all going to be much better off for it.
That's just profound.
Like, in the last 24 hours, the president, the vice president, richest man in the world said, Yeah, you can say things, might not agree with them.
You shouldn't lose your job over it.
It's done.
And Vance even was like, Hey, I don't ever want to see one of our guys essentially fired because a leftist news reporter dug something up.
Like, think about that profound vibe shift three weeks into the administration.
We're done with that.
We're not canceling people for old tweets anymore.
Yep.
Yep.
Okay.
I have a question.
One more question, and then we'll go to our next commercial break.
But so, what do you think?
What should conservatives be focusing on now?
Like, you know, our first segment at the beginning of the show before you hopped on, I was saying, you know, I was talking about Andrew Torba a little bit, who's a friend.
And I was just saying that one of the things I like about him is one, he's a Christian brother in Christ.
But two, he's like, well, you know, I'll just say it.
I don't know your position on this, and you don't have to, you just be you.
You don't have to abide by.
You know, our flavor, but uh, he's what the kids would call uh, Jay Pilt, and um, and there's you know, there's no secret to that.
Andrew Torba has been posting, you know, about the Jews for I don't know, 10 years, you know.
I mean, I wasn't even on the internet yet, yeah, yeah, exactly.
I was still figuring out email, you know, and Torba's over here, you know, saying it's the Jews, you know, and um, but but here's the thing this is what I love about Torba, um, Trump runs.
And, you know, every, like, what I always tell people, you know, I'm a Christian pastor.
I think Judaism is satanic.
I hate it.
It's a false religion and blasphemes Christ.
And so I make no apology for that.
But what I had to tell my church and guys, you know, guys are like, well, but Trump is a Zionist.
He wears the tiny hat.
He's at the wall.
And I'm like, guys, it's the year of our Lord 2025.
You don't get a president in these United States who's not a Zionist.
So you pick the best Zionist you have.
That's just where we are.
Now, all that being said, here's my point Torba.
Like, got a lot of backlash from his own fan base, whatever you want to call it, his primary followers.
Because when Trump started campaigning, Torba knows all that.
He's not stupid.
He knows that, you know, he knows Trump's position on Israel and this, that, and the other, and all these things.
And he just didn't care.
He's like, he again, like, again and again and again, every day was like, no black peeling allowed.
I'll block you.
Vote for Trump.
He's great.
I don't agree with everything.
We've got to, you play the hand that you've been dealt.
I'm grateful for Trump.
He has my vote.
And then, not only that, right?
That's one thing politically.
But then, Elon, if you're the CEO of Gab, your whole business model is parallel conservative free speech, right?
That's your whole thing.
Your whole thing is, you know, mainstream is bad and don't, you know, don't use the platform from the people who hate you and blah, blah.
He would have every incentive.
To say Elon Musk is a psyop.
He's controlled opposition.
He's pulling the wool over your head.
It's not really free speech.
He'd have every single financial at the level of his wallet providing for his family, every incentive to counter Trump and certainly to counter Elon.
And then what Torba did instead is like, yeah, this is great.
X is getting better.
There's still problems, but it's getting better by the day.
I like Elon.
I'm grateful for him.
Like, probably not a fan of putting neurochips in people's brains.
Obviously, we have some differences in our worldview, but grateful for him.
This is awesome.
And he just supported it.
He just supported it.
And so, my point to put it to you to a question I think that in the year of our Lord 2025, if conservatives are thinking, all right, here's the plan homesteading, here's the plan parallel free speech economy, rumble, gab.
I'm like, What world are you living?
Like, what that's you are the grandma asking at the top of the cycle how to get a wallet so you can buy some bit bit quarters.
You know, like if you're thinking about starting, you know, a Gab account and you're thinking about, you know, buying chickens, and I gave all my disclaimers earlier like you got kids, you want to teach them to touch grass.
There's good virtue and habit building, there's plenty of reasons to do that.
But we've been in survival mode.
So everything's been small, remnant, survive, self sufficiency, because you can't trust anybody and the government's going to kill you.
And so, you know, grow your own garden, get your own social media.
Get your own business, all these kinds of things.
I don't think that's where we are anymore.
So, like the sons of Issachar in the Bible, they were honored for knowing the times.
And I think for the first time, we have not just lessened headwinds, but conservatives have tailwinds.
And so, I'm thinking right now, I'm thinking, yeah, I still have principles and virtues.
I'm a Christian.
So, there's some things that I can't take advantage of because I think they're fundamentally, inherently ethically wrong.
But anything that doesn't fall into that category, Um, I'm gonna use everything I got, I'm gonna use whatever pieces of AI I can and do it better than everybody else and be an early adopter.
I'm going to like, I didn't like Twitter, I didn't even start a Twitter account until Elon bought it.
But as soon as that happened, I was like, Yeah, that like I wouldn't make Elon a pastor in my church, but but um, but him owning this platform means there's going to be an opportunity here, and I could see the writing on the wall, and so I start building this out, and I'm gonna say, Um, so all that being said.
I don't think homesteading and gab accounts is probably like the premier focus for the next four years, but I totally understand why it was.
And I don't disparage anybody who did it for the last 10 years.
Andrew Torba gave people like me a place to converse when free speech was completely suppressed.
And so I'm like, thank you, sir.
So I'm not disparaging it all.
I'm just saying the times are changing.
And I think Torba is a great example of providing in survival time.
And also pivoting in thriving time.
I think he's done both phenomenally.
And I want to see do you agree with that sentiment?
And if so, practically, for these next four years, what should Christians and conservatives put down our plow and start to work?
I would say, yeah, I definitely agree with being a pragmatist, with having an insurance policy.
You never want to put all your eggs in one basket, especially when you have other people who are depending on you for their livelihoods.
I would say that we have a rare opportunity right now to actually dismantle the ability of these people.
Like you said, we have tailwind.
We have the ability to dismantle the ability of these people to like destroy our country.
Whereas in previous Republican administrations, it was about maybe slowing it 5% by having four years where our taxes were a little bit more advantageous for us or something like that.
But now we are actually dismantling the mechanisms by which these people acquire and consolidate and accumulate further power, particularly with things like elections or immigration policy.
I mean, If we can achieve, because there's going to be a counter attack, it's not as though the left is going to just sit on their hands for four years and be like, Drat, they really got us, didn't they?
And then it's over.
I mean, as we're seeing from these corruption leaks that are coming out, this was a multi, multi billion dollar system which was making a lot of money for so many people.
It's not simply going to go away.
But if we can do enough damage to not only stop the bleeding, but on our end, but prevent the counter attack four years later, we build up four years of momentum.
I mean, maybe two years later with the midterm elections, but we build up enough momentum to where Say someone like JD Vance is the obvious successor.
The country's happy with its trajectory.
We don't have rampant voter fraud in other states.
We have more poll watchers.
We have the RNC totally under Trump's family or the control of Trump's family.
I mean, you create a scenario where now you can continue doing that damage, you know, four years later down the line into where if the left gets back into power, I mean, they don't have the option to say amnesty 10 million illegal aliens and consolidate permanent electoral control.
They don't have the option to keep incentivizing and rewarding the mass distribution of evil throughout the country to demoralize good people and aggrandize bad people.
It's just going to be a totally different playing field.
So I would say if there were ever a time to go like, I hate to use this, but like full on blitzkrieg against these people, it would be now.
And then, you know, if it doesn't work out, then we can think about what to do later on.
I mean, we're not stupid.
We can figure things out pretty quickly and put things together when we need to.
But I would say right now, if you're a young patriot, go get a law degree.
Go into debt if you have to.
We'll pay it off later.
We'll have some sort of debt forgiveness program for young patriots who save their country.
I would say do something like that.
Get involved in government, become as individually powerful as possible, and use that for good.
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Great.
All right.
We're going to go to our last commercial break for the day.
But, John, I just wanted to say thank you for coming on the show.
We'll let you go and do what you do.
If you guys aren't familiar with John's program, he puts out, you correct me if I'm out of line here, but he puts out one video per year.
He records it a million times until his autistic mind feels content with the product.
And then he puts it out and it's amazing.
But, am I fair?
I mean, it's more than one a year, but I feel like.
Man, I wish you were producing more content.
I know you hear that all the time.
You're probably annoyed by it, but tell us, let us into your mind for a moment.
Why do you not produce more content?
I'm sure you have a great reason.
Tell us.
It's a great compliment, actually.
It's the biggest problem people have I don't make enough content.
Well, to be honest with you, I don't have an impulse to self promote really, which I know is ironic because what I literally do for a living is promote myself, but I don't like social media.
You go to my Instagram, I post maybe once a year.
And so, if we're in a time where Donald Trump is not in office and I don't really see opportunity to change the course of the country, I sort of just kind of like I'll make, you know, content because I enjoy it.
I enjoy giving my opinion on things, but I don't really hit the ground running the way that I would if Trump were in office.
So, now that Trump is in office, I have been posting more and I will continue to do that.
It's just a different ballgame.
But yeah, your description was closer to the truth than the opposite.
And so, I'll let you have that one.
All right.
Tell the listener one more time where they can follow your work.
Yeah, youtube.com slash john doyle, or you can find me on Twitter at comrade doyle.
And maybe once a year, I'll brighten your season or something.
All right, cool.
Thanks, John, for coming on.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
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So, we're going to kind of wrap up our discussion here and conclude some thoughts that we had and then some comments on what John Doyle said.
One of the things that I was particularly interested in with that discussion was this idea that America has an established culture.
And, Joel, you mentioned it in the opening bit.
John Doyle mentioned it here in his interview.
And the idea that there is a way of being, a way of life of the American people that has been around for a long time.
And one of the things, and Nate, I don't think I sent you this quote, so I'm just going to kind of reference it here.
But that same guy who wrote the article that I mentioned earlier, he talked about how there's a competing vision of what the American founding fathers did in establishing in America.
And a newer idea is that they completely broke away.
From England.
They established something brand new.
It was the Revolutionary War, right?
The same way we had the French Revolution, the Revolutionary War, and it was creating something entirely new, our own thing.
And part of this is our individualistic impulse as Americans, right?
We want to be new, we want to be ourselves.
But Jason Jewell, who wrote that article that I mentioned earlier, he argues that actually the war, though it was a war between England and the colonies, the United States, He argues that the American founding fathers were actually not making a fundamental break with the old, but they carried forward the values and the assumptions, and in a lot of ways, the culture,
parts of the culture that they brought from England and from Europe.
And what they actually were establishing was a new way of governing themselves.
But one of the things that's missing is we talk about conservative culture.
And this goes back to the whole question of what is it to be a heritage American?
What is the heritage of America?
The culture of America, even though America has only been around 250 years coming up.
Um, the culture of America and the beauty, and like, there's a reason why.
Uh, when I went to England, I loved to see the castles, and I, you know, we read Shakespeare still in our schools, still to this day, we haven't been able to weed him out as though we needed to.
Um, but we actually are standing in a European and an English cultural perspective that I think sometimes we forget.
And one of the things in Arn McIntyre and the conference last year, Stephen Wolf at New Christendom have been mentioning, this is not a new idea to me, but just if we're going to get serious about creating culture, I think we need to be careful that we don't assume that the culture that we create in this window, Lord willing, it's a long window that we have and not just four years, we need to be careful that we don't fall into this idea that everything that we're going to be producing now is this new culture.
We actually need to be pulling and building on the good culture that the last 60, 80, 100, whatever years has been trying to erase.
And we need to pull that culture back into our consciousness and into what it means to be a people.
It's going to be in new ways, right?
Movies certainly didn't even exist that long ago.
So if we're going to make movies, obviously that's a new medium.
But the messages, the values, what we consider and find beautiful and interesting, really, we have a project of pulling that across.
A 60 or 80 year gap.
Whereas in ideal times, that would be developing over time, kind of organically, as one generation passes to the next generation, passes to the next generation.
We have quite a task, actually, of trying to pull some of the previous cultural assumptions, values, and art across a 60 or 80 year gap.
And it has to skip over, but we have to plant ourselves in that if we're going to be serious about reestablishing what it means to be Americans and to have Christian culture.
Practically, literally, like, well, what does that mean?
What does that look like on the ground?
I remember growing up, my dad read to me, we read King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table.
I mean, this is a story from like eight, maybe even longer, 900 years ago.
And it's in old English and all of that.
And he sent me an extra copy he had for me to read with my son.
Now, I could read to my son just modern stories or look for authors that are currently living.
But if you're going to establish that connection to the past and to tradition, that means you're reading, your references, you're framing all of those things, you're pulling them back in.
So it's consciously deciding.
I'm going to read King Arthur.
I'm going to read Shakespeare.
I'm going to read Aristotle.
I'm going to quote.
I'm going to cite.
I'm going to use their thinking, like literally practically on the ground.
What does that mean?
It means you're reading your children older books.
Yep.
Yep.
I still remember my youngest son right now is reading Treasure Island.
And he's like, Dad, did you read this book growing up?
I'm like, Yeah, I read that book.
You know, I totally inspired.
And so we looked into the biography of the writer that is spacing my mind right now.
But he was very feeble as a child, and his father was a lighthouse designer.
And so I told my youngest son about the fact that the writer of Treasure Island grew up around ships, but he was kind of weak.
So then the next day, my son comes up to me and goes, Dad, do you think the fact that he was so weak, but he could see the ships coming in and out, do you think he imagined himself as Jim Hawkins on the ship?
And I could tell, like, my 12 year old son is imagining himself as Jim Hawkins on this ship.
And the fact that this English writer from the 1800s had written this story that was just bedazzling and inspiring my son, like, he had a connection.
All the way back to Robert Louis Stevenson.
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That's the guy's name.
And I just thought, like, this is actually the value and the power of culture.
Like, he's enthralled, not just in a meaningless story, but a timeless story from, not exactly, but kind of our father, our grandfather culture.
And I loved watching that happen of a period of a couple days when he started the book, we did a little research, and then he came back to me with his own ideas.
I mean, it was such a beautiful, beautiful thing.
But to your point, Wes, you're right.
It comes down to the choices that we make.
There's a reason we still read Pilgrim's Progress.
It's not just because it's got some good biblical stories in it.
It is Anglo-Protestant culture.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
Do you have thoughts?
Let's go.
I was going to say there's got to be a place in conservatism, which I don't even like the term.
Christian nationalists is better.
But we do have to have a place for creatives.
Like it's true.
It's kind of right to call them gay and the nerds and everything like that.
Because a lot of effeminate men graduate, gravitate towards the arts.
They look to music and they look to art and they look to expression and they gravitate towards those things.
So we kind of pick on them.
It's like, well, what do you just do?
Like he makes this, you know, indie music and makes $30,000 a year, can barely support his family.
So we pick on that.
And there's a good aspect, like I said, of Of kind of saying, like, well, come on, like, what are you really producing?
But once you have cultural power and people can be funded or just make a living doing it, there really has to be a place to say, like, no, he doesn't fit into the way you would traditionally.
We're going to talk about masculinity, Lord willing, next week.
He doesn't fit into traditionally how we would think of masculine men.
He doesn't necessarily work out.
Now, he takes care of himself.
He's able, if he needed to, was called upon to protect his wife and to protect his children.
But yeah, he makes music for a living or he.
Like works in software, that's not really art so much, but like they have these different occupations, and we're not taking this just bucket of male and female and applying it and saying across the board, we got to have all our men being pastors, for example, or podcasters or social media wars.
There are men and they're good men, and they don't need to get on social media at all because it's just they're too easily, they maybe have a pastoral heart, a certain kindness.
They don't need to worry about it.
We need to have a variety of guys doing different things, and then the ones that are genuinely making.
Decoration and art and music, and all of those things.
Again, it can't be effeminate, it can't be gay, they themselves can't be.
But to say, no, that's actually a really great thing you're doing, and praise God, we have great music that people are listening to, and you can devote yourself to it, and we're not going to pick on you or make fun of kind of the look that you bring along with it.
We have a place for that.
Yeah.
I want to, my last plug that I really wanted to mention here is in a world, and guys, go listen to the The video by Doyle because one of the sections he said was so good.
He said, People don't naturally, like in our fallen nature, of course, we're sinful, but we don't naturally love perversion.
And he said, The perversion of art and culture and society has been forced down our throats.
And one of the things that we have to do to reestablish Christian culture is we have to not only love the beautiful, but we have to know what the beautiful is.
And like, I've just been thinking about recently, like, why do People love classical music.
Classical music actually is something of an acquired taste.
It's kind of like people who don't really like coffee.
And so you start with the Frappuccino and then you move down to the hazelnut latte and then you're just in the latte and then you get to the point where all you drink is, you know, fair trade organic, you know, Americano.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That sort of thing.
Recognizing good art, beautiful, what is true beauty, sometimes is an acquired taste.
And, um, In a world of filth in art, I would bet that a lot of us, our perspective is just off on what is beautiful.
And so when you listen to really great compositions or symphony or something like that, like initially it's hard to know why do people like this.
It just sounds like a bunch of instruments.
And then you start realizing these are all, someone took the time to arrange all the parts and they're all playing together and they're playing different volumes and in different times.
And the conductor is, uh, leading and directing them.
And not only that, but then the music itself, it goes through movements and it tells stories.
But to appreciate all of those things, you actually have to learn a little bit about it, right?
And so I guess one of my challenges as Christians, let us again love the things that are beautiful that have endured the test of time.
And Nate, I'm going to at least close my comments with the quotes two, no, quotes three and four.
So that's coming up here, quotes three and four.
And T.S. Eliot, this is quote three, he said, The dominant force in creating a common culture between peoples.
Each of which has its distinct culture is religion.
It is Christianity that our arts have developed.
It is Christianity that the laws of Europe have until recently been rooted in.
And then, quote four this is Roger Scruton, who is a British conservative.
And he said this He said, Design with beauty in mind, and what you create will endure forever.
And we have to recapture what is beautiful, right?
When you look at modern art and you say, That's just dumb, but I'm probably missing something.
Reject that, right?
Like, love what's beautiful, love what's true, love what's good, and learn about why it's good and true and beautiful and start promoting that.
And then maybe, maybe we have a generation where, you know, like with the trad wives we talked about earlier in the year, they're kind of having to fake it because they didn't learn it from being a young girl, right?
So they're trying to bake and they're trying to do these things, but their daughters won't have to fake it, right?
It won't be new to their daughters.
They will know how to do that almost instinctively.
And we, by God's grace, before too long, will have again bred into ourselves and our society a love of beauty.
And that starts with what you read your kids, what you have your kids listen to, what you do with your free time as a family.
Just really practical things that I wanted, at least personally, to end with.
Well said.
Yeah, I get so sick of the incessant trope of you're faking or hypocrisy or LARPing.
I preached a whole sermon one time where, like, the primary point was, you got to LARP before you can fly.
And what I'm saying is that I think it was Chesterton who said that hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue.
And I've said this on the podcast a few times, but I think it's profound and it really helped for something to click in my mind to understand.
I'll say it again hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue.
It's Hypocrisy is vice tipping the hat, as it were, to virtue.
We think hypocrisy is the worst thing.
It's not.
What's worse is that a society in a culture where there's no need for hypocrisy because there's actually a true absence of any and all virtue.
Hypocrisy, what that necessitates is that there's at least some remnant of virtue that still remains within a society to where vice at least has to pretend.
At least the vice is putting on the pomp and circumstance.
At least the vice is pretending.
A great example of this is, you know, again, Baptist.
My God, my God.
Being a Baptist feels like, did you ever read, I think it's The Dawn Treader, The Hufflepuffs?
And the professor who's left on the island.
That's what it feels like being a Baptist.
It's like, not Hufflepuffs.
No.
That's Harry Potter.
Duffel pods.
There you go.
I was confusing my fiction there.
The problem, though, of course, is that one of those is super gay and the other one is timeless, namely C.S. Lewis, the timeless one.
So, duffel pods, there we go, get it right.
You know, but basically he's like, yeah, they're ridiculous, but they're mine.
They're my duffel pods.
This is what happened it was the coronation of King Charles and the Baptist, right on time, you know, came out talking about how atrocious and terrible it was.
And it's the worst thing ever that, you know, this blasphemy of.
Of Christ, and I'm sitting there, I'm like, Yeah, do I think that King Charles, if I had to bet on it, would I bet that he is genuinely born again, regenerate heart, that he loves the triune God, that he's really going to be a defender of the faith?
No, but what it would like, obviously, the ideal is that you would have the shell and it also would be filled, right?
That's the ideal.
But I'll tell you what's not the ideal.
It's not the ideal to have nothing.
Better to have the empty shell than to have no true center of Christianity and virtue and no thin veneer or external remnants of Christianity.
It's better to have the mere shell of a Christendom long past than to have no shell at all.
And so, all that being said, my point is that.
Yeah, hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue.
LARPing, I was piggybacking off of what you were saying about the trad wife thing.
That's the same thing.
So, like the same guys who came out about King Charles and this coronation is terrible and we shouldn't do it.
This is Christian nationalism, and it's the perfect example of what Christian nationalism always has been and always will be a facade, hypocrisy, a show.
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It's fake.
You see it in England, and that's really what it is in America.
And that's also what the whole resurgence of the trad wife.
Thing is, and wearing sundresses and baking sourdough bread.
That's, you know, like you're LARPing.
That's not who you are.
It's 2025.
You know, quit pretending, quit faking, quit LARPing, quit being hypocritical.
That's what they're getting at.
And the reality is this anything in any society that's deemed as virtuous and valuable will always have, it will always, like a magnet, be.
Pulling in and attracting pretense.
That's what value does.
That's what virtue does.
Anything esteemed by any culture, any society, any subgroup of society, any isolated community, whatever is valuable within a community, whatever is deemed as being virtuous, it won't just attract people who are good at it, it attracts everyone.
What happens when skateboarding, you know, in the 90s and, you know, Tony Hawk does the first 900?
I remember watching it on the X Games, you know, like.
Or whatever it was, I remember I was watching it with Nathan.
He's my cousin, and I remember seeing it at his house.
We were like, Whoa!
And then, what do you immediately do afterwards?
You turn off the TV, and me and my kid cousin, um, we then go and LARP, uh, with skateboarding, right?
We grab our skateboards.
Are either of us good?
No, you know, but but but Tony Hawks just did a 900.
My goodness, we're going out in the street, we're building our little rink a dink ramp, you know, out of.
Two by fours and a cinder block or whatever.
And by golly, we're going to skateboard because anything worth doing is worth doing poorly.
Right?
I mean, that's true.
Anything worth doing is worth doing well as the ideal.
That's what you work up to.
That's where you want to get.
But really, anything worth doing, not only is it worth doing well, but it's worth doing poorly.
Meaning, it's so worthwhile.
It's worth doing even if you're not good at it.
It's worth doing for a season while you're particularly poor at it until you get good at it.
I mean, think about that like LARPing.
What is LARPing other than?
Because here's the thing it'd be one thing if everybody was lying.
That's different.
Lying is different than LARPing.
So, if everybody was saying, I am, I am an 11th century crusader, I am.
I am King Arthur.
I am Sir Lancelot.
I am Duke Godfrey, right?
I am Vlad the Impaler.
That's literally who I am.
And I have impaled this many Muslims for the Lord Jesus Christ.
Like, if, yeah, like find that guy for me, right?
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Because I'm under the impression that that guy doesn't exist, right?
You want to talk about LARPing, the anti crusaders are the ones that are LARPing.
Like, If there's a guy who really is claiming to be King Arthur and really is claiming to have killed, you know, this many whatever Turks or Danes, you know, in the case of King Arthur, then sure, that guy's an idiot.
But what I've witnessed is not guys who are lying, but guys who are trying, not lying, but trying.
And why is it trying instead of just doing it perfectly?
Because we're exercising muscles that have been silenced.
And atrophied for decades because of evil men.
Because of evil men with a post war consensus, the post liberal order, because of globalism, because of the whole Marxist facade of like, well, you don't want to be a racist.
You don't want to do this.
You don't want to do that.
Then what we've done, right?
Like, who was it that, who was it?
He died of cancer recently.
Great comedian.
Great comedian.
Norm MacDonald.
Norm MacDonald.
Right?
He had a joke.
And he was saying it as a joke on like a live program, and the host just agreed with him, not knowing that he was joking.
But he said, like, I was, you know, the thing that scares me the most about a terrorist attack, you know, is that if a terrorist attack, you know, killed, and he was very specific in this joke, but he's like, if a terrorist attack, you know, did something that killed, you know, millions, I think he said millions, you can go back and listen to it, but I think he said like one or two million Americans at some, you know, big event or whatever, and one or two million Americans were killed.
What scares me the most about that is that for years there would be an anti Islamic sentiment.
And the host, not knowing that against Muslims, you know, and the host, not knowing that he was joking, was like, Yeah, that, oh, yeah, I totally agree.
I think he was on the view or something.
It was like, I don't think it was Whoopi Goldberg, but it was, you know, like one cackling hen, you know, they're all the same.
So there's some cackling hen like Whoopi Goldberg or Joy Reed or, you know, somebody like that.
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And they're like, Oh, yeah, me too.
And the point that he was making was great because they, You know, hook, line, and sinker, they fell right into the trap.
But the point that he was making is that we have been so hamstrung by this post liberal order of tolerance and be anti racist and globalism and egalitarianism.
Everybody's the same, just people are just interchangeable widgets.
Nobody's any different.
There's zero hierarchy, there's zero patriarchy, there's zero nationalism, there's no transcendence, there's no absolute truth or God above or hell below.
There's none of that.
And we've been so.
So that's, you want to talk about the Dark Ages.
The Dark Ages, that's just an anti Christian psyop.
The Enlightenment is the true Dark Ages.
That's the true Dark Ages.
And that demonic spell has come over Westerners, Western Christians, and we fell for it.
We all fell for it.
And so now that some, just a few of us, are starting to wake up, then what does it look like to honor your father?
Your ancient fathers, your spiritual fathers, your ecclesiastical fathers, these fathers.
What does it look like to honor King Alfred?
What does it look like to honor Duke Godfrey?
What does it look like to honor the Puritans, the Covenanters, the Reformers?
What does it look like to honor the church fathers and, you know, Origen and Athanasius and Augustine?
Like, what does it look like to honor these kinds of men?
For a people, particularly, who have Been blatantly unaware of these men because we weren't taught about them intentionally by design.
And if we were taught about them, we were taught that they were racist bigots.
So, what does it look for us to honor honorable men worthy of our honor, but who we've either been lied to about or not told of their existence in the first place?
What does it look like to try to embody that ethos, that spirit of Christian, courageous, masculine virtue?
What does it look like for a generation, particularly of Westerners today, who have never exercised those muscles before in our life?
Neither did our parents or even our grandparents.
For three generations, these muscles have never been used.
It's going to look like LARPing.
Get over it.
Better to LARP in virtue than to lie in vice, in effeminacy, in faggotry.
You're the problem.
How dare you insult people who are attempting to be men and women who honor and esteem our fathers and mothers before us and uphold true biblical virtue and values?
How dare you?
A woman's wearing sundresses instead of yoga pants and trying to bake bread for her children and teach her daughters to be feminine and not boss babes.
Wearing suits, and you're going to mock her as a LARPer?
Yeah, that's what if conservatives are going to create culture again, if we're going to embrace virtue again, it has been so long that we have been asleep that it's going to look like a five year old child.
That's how bad we are currently.
That's how long we've been off the bike.
It's going to look like a five year old child.
Trying to ride a bicycle without training wheels for the first time.
But you got to learn.
You got to LARP before you can fly.
That's okay.
The way God's made the world, everything gets better with age.
A marriage matures and there's more warmth and familiarity.
Trees, so both in their stature, their size, their robustness, also for wood.
Trees that are green, they take wood and it bows when you try to use it to build a house.
Everything from wine to wood to marriage to a home, all of these things.
They mature, they decamp, they become more robust with time.
Why couldn't we, from Joe Biden's inauguration 2021 through 2024, like, why couldn't we make culture in that three year period?
We didn't have time.
It takes time to do that.
So we got four years.
It's not enough.
But if you're going to plant a tree or you're going to start a journey of a thousand miles, the best time to start was 10 years ago.
The second best time is right now.
Michael, any thoughts?
No?
Good.
We got someone in the comments.
His name is Templar Lux.
And he says, he's basically saying, speak for yourself.
I am literally a Templar.
My PFP is literally me.
There is no sarcasm in this.
I appreciate that.
Christendom has fallen in.
Fallen, billions must larp.
Billions must larp.
Well said.
Yeah.
Christendom has fallen.
Billions must larp.
Got to larp before you can fly.
You got to start somewhere.
And yeah, we are exercising muscles, embracing old virtues that are completely foreign to us.
I don't know anybody who doesn't admit that.
I admit that.
Like, I admit that this is all new.
It's all new.
But it's true.
It's true.
And when you find something, I mean, the reality is, in the technical sense, it's all old, but it's new.
I mean, it's new to us, to our generation.
We have been unfamiliar with these things, they have been foreign to us.
And so when you find something that's new, it's novel to you, but you realize that it's old, it's tried, it's true, and it's precious, then you do everything you can to be like that, right?
When you discover A true person of virtue.
You attempt, right?
That's right.
It's imitation is the highest form of flattery.
Like, that's what you do.
It's like, these men were virtuous.
I see it now.
I was never taught about these men or I was taught lies about these men.
But now that I see these men for who they are, they're virtuous.
Yeah, I want to be like them.
I know I'm not.
I know I'm not.
But I'm going to try because if I try, And by God's grace, I grow.
And my son tries.
And by God's grace, he grows.
Then I'm trying.
But my grandson, he'll be flying.
So, and it rhymes, therefore, it must be true.
All right.
Thanks for tuning in.
God bless you guys.
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