Trump and Netanyahu's Gaza takeover plan, potentially involving U.S. troops to build an American-owned zone, sparks debate on dispensational Zionism versus Reformed theology regarding the Third Temple. While Elon Musk's Doge team slashes $40B from USAID to halt global "degeneracy" exports, hosts argue Trump remains a Zionist yet avoids American bloodshed for Israel. The episode urges Christians to flee blue states funding Planned Parenthood, citing a stolen 2020 election, and warns that neoconservatives like Nikki Haley are furious at Trump's outsider status, framing the administration as a decisive enemy requiring total cultural separation. [Automatically generated summary]
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And after Trump's blistering first two weeks in office, it was time for the real boss, Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, to come to town.
At a joint press conference with Netanyahu, Trump declared that the U.S. would be taking over Gaza and didn't rule out using U.S. troops to do it.
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What does take over Gaza even mean?
Have the we're so over boys finally won?
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All right, it's so over.
I wanted to say we're so back.
It's so over.
We are literally so back here, Wednesday afternoon, 3 p.m. Central Time, with the live stream.
But in the larger macro picture, we're so over.
Zionism has won the day.
Third Temple is probably under.
I'm struggling to say, nearly finished.
They started the foundation last night.
Yeah, they started the foundation as we were sleeping.
They got the heifers just starting to come out.
Red heifers.
I'm pretty sure that we'll probably see a blood red moon tonight.
It is exciting times.
For dispensationalists.
If you're a dispensational Zionist, you are like, yes, yes.
There are a few extreme bloodlusts like dispensational Zionists.
Zionism, especially, yeah.
Yeah, Stephen Wolf even tweeted out this afternoon.
I thought it was really helpful.
Nate, a little change of order here, but if you have that tweet, could you go ahead and make it available?
I sent it to you a little bit earlier.
This is from Stephen Wolf on X.
He said, I've said many times that I do not have special love for the Palestinians.
Let me break that down.
We've been talking a lot about the Ordo Amoris, right?
We have our vice president who's Catholic and holding with much of ancient Christian tradition.
The Ordo Amoris is nothing novel or new.
And so he was citing that and saying, hey, for centuries, all the way back to Augustine, all the way back to Aquinas, the Ordo Amoris, meaning Latin for order of loves, right?
That we have, Aquinas said it like this.
He said, we love all men equally in terms of charity.
Generic general disposition towards humanity as a whole is a position of charity for all people.
Equal love for all people in terms of our disposition, in terms of our actions, how we actually love people in practice, that's always going to be tiered.
There is a priority, a triage of varying degrees of love when it comes to love in practice rather than just love in your general disposition, right?
You're buying clothes for your kids, but you're not necessarily buying clothes for every single kid on the planet.
And so there's a degree of love, varying degrees of love in the realm of practice.
So, back to the tweet from Stephen Wolfe, what he's saying is, I don't have any special love for Palestinians.
Interpret there the way that you should understand that.
He doesn't hate Palestinians.
He loves Palestinians just like he loves Russians, just like he loves Ukrainians, just like he loves every single person on the planet.
But he's saying, I don't have a special love for Palestinians because they're not my people.
He does have a special love for Christians because he's a Christian, and he also has a special love for Americans because he's an American.
Okay, but no special love for Palestinians simply because they're not my people, and not having a special love doesn't necessitate animus or anything to the contrary.
Nor do I care about this particular conflict itself.
It's not my home or my people.
But the absolute bloodlust, right?
Getting back to my opening comments here the absolute bloodlust, says Stephen, that many Christians have cannot be explained by their Christianity.
We still must find the true explanation.
And he shows a picture there for those of you who are just listening and not watching our live video.
But he shows a picture of Palestinian town and homes and just completely leveled and desolated, destroyed, and just distraught people who are just walking on a dirt path in between the rubble.
And this has been going on for a very, very long time.
And yet, there are a lot of Christians that, in the name of Christianity, and I think it's a false Christianity, I don't think it's true, but.
When it comes to this conflict in the Middle East, they're just, they don't care.
They're just like, turn it into glass, you know, just completely.
It's, I mean, what you're calling for, really, if you're honest, is you're calling for an ethnic cleansing.
You're, you're, so the same guys who are super concerned about anybody who they think is a neo Nazi, right?
Because Hitler drank water and this guy on X, you know, it looks like he might drink water too.
So they're very concerned about the Third Reich rising again, you know, the new dissident right.
And, you know, they'll be tongue in cheek and call it the new dissident Reich, you know, which that one I kind of appreciate because I, I want to be an equal respecter of anybody who can have a turn of phrase, appreciate a good troll.
If you're going to put people down, at least do it well.
And the rise of the new dissident Reich instead of Reich, you got to give credit where credit's due.
But these are guys who are incredibly concerned about anybody who says maybe 1930s Germany had a few good ideas.
But then in the very next breath, They are completely not just content, but they're actually rooting for the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people in Gaza.
Turn it to glass.
And so I think that that's surprising.
So, if you're wondering why we are bringing this up, what's the news?
Many of you have probably seen at this point.
The clip has been going viral, but we're going to play it for our listeners today.
This is a clip from yesterday evening.
It's Trump, and then you've got Bibi doing a press conference together.
And here are some of the remarks from Trump.
The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it, too.
We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level the site and get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out, create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of the area.
Do a real job, do something different.
Just can't go back.
If you go back, it's going to end up the same way it has for 100 years.
So that's what all the fuss is about.
Basically, the it's over, nothing ever happens bros are black pilling ad nauseum today and late last night and saying, We told you so.
Everything, you know, the last two weeks of nonstop, you know, executive orders and this and that and the other, you know, we pride ourselves in fiercely holding to our greatest principle, which is losing beautifully.
We are going to lose.
That's our promise to you.
We are going to lose, but we're going to do so beautifully.
And there are a lot of guys like this on the right who, you know, all throughout Trump's campaigning and throughout the election and even the last two weeks, as there's been multiple victories, they cannot celebrate a single one of them.
They cannot be happy about anything.
You know, 23 pro lifers, including, you know, a 70 something year old woman with cancer who was going to die in jail and never see her husband again, she gets released.
Because of Trump and his executive orders.
That seems like an inherently good thing.
Well, tough.
It's not.
All this is just building up to something terrible.
And so, this news, this press conference from Trump, there it is.
That's what they've been waiting for.
So now it's their time to revel in all the I told you so's and all that kind of stuff.
And the significance of it, if you're going to take over Gaza, and we'll talk about the different ways that could actually look, but that would mean boots on the ground.
And out of all of us here, my brother, he's in the army.
He could literally be deployed over there and die to create like malls in Gaza.
Like, that's what people kind of have in mind is like when he says take over Gaza, does that mean we go back to the Middle East that we just spent two unfruitful decades in, billions of dollars, go back there, spill more blood, and then eventually probably regresses to the same thing it was before he even arrived?
Right.
And I get that.
The forever wars in the Middle East have to end.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
And none of us want to see any of our fellow American citizens bleed out and die for Israel.
I could think of basically.
No cause that would be of less value than sending sons and daughters, American sons and daughters, to bleed out for a nation state that hates Christ, that loves LGBT, and that I think in many ways has been subversive to our own country.
I don't want Americans to go and bleed out and die for Israel, our greatest ally.
In this one way relationship where we continue to give and give and give, and Israel continues to take and take and take.
So we're right on board with everybody who does not want that.
What we disagree with, though, however, is I don't think that right now is the moment to say that everything's over.
I have something that I put out late last night after seeing the news.
Nathan, if you could sync up my tweet, I want to go ahead and read that.
I said, no black pilling.
This is not a surprise.
It's 2025.
There is currently no viable non Zionist option that could possibly be elected president of these United States.
However, consider this in the providence of God, we're one step closer to Jerusalem, eventually belonging to Christ and his people.
Not belonging to Allah, not belonging to Muslims, not belonging to Jews, not belonging to the Antichrist, but belonging to Christ.
And his people, that is Christians, there will be no temple, there will be no mosque.
One day, in God's perfect timing, there will be a glorious Christian cathedral.
I believe that.
And I want to take a moment and just remind the listener, or some of you may not be aware of this at all.
And so, just to inform the listener, there have been centuries and centuries and centuries of Christians trying to capture the Holy Land.
I know that for us, It may seem insignificant.
I feel like there's, I don't know, it's almost like one of those charts where it's a circle and you go full circle, start with one position, and then you end up there again by the end of the process, but with different motives, with different reasoning.
And so, a lot of normie type Christians are like, well, Israel, the Holy Land, Jerusalem, it's so important because that's where the third temple has to be built and the red heifers and the blood moon and this and that, so that the revelation prophecies can be fulfilled so that Jesus.
Come back and rule from a literal physical throne of David, you know, in this third temple.
And then we really need that to happen, not because we're Judaizers, you know, but because we're Christians and the world is just going to get worse and worse and worse.
And there's nothing we can really do about it.
Our only hope is to, you know, beam me up, Scotty, you know, to just rapture out of here.
And the rapture won't happen until these things come to pass.
So we're rooting for Israel, we're rooting for Judaism, we're rooting for a third temple that's literally blasphemy.
I mean, to return to the temple is to spit on the person and work of Jesus Christ.
It is to say that he's not the pure and spotless lamb.
Behold, the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
His once and for all sacrifice is utterly insufficient.
That's what you're saying.
Insufficient that Jesus, not only is it insufficient, but you're saying, therefore, because Jesus claimed to be God and the Son of God, that he is a false prophet, he's a blasphemer.
It is, in a sense, you may not mean all this, but it's to agree with the Talmud that says that Jesus is currently in hell, boiling in human excrement.
That's what the Talmud teaches.
But we'll still, at the end of the day, be rooting for enemies of Christ who hate Jesus and say that he's a blaspheming false prophet currently burning in human excrement in hell.
We will side with them temporarily if it means.
That we win?
No, that's impossible.
If it means we get to tap out, that Jesus would come back, rapture us, so that Christians in the church can get out of this hellhole because the world is just going to hell in a handbasket and it doesn't matter what you do, it doesn't matter how hard you try, nothing will get any better.
So there's that guy, okay?
There's that guy.
That guy thinks Israel's important.
That's my point.
He thinks it's important, but for the reasons I just stated.
Not great reasons, but he thinks Israel's important.
The Real Reason Israel Matters00:11:12
And then you're going along the circle and then you come to the position of Well, I think maybe I agree with the historic church, you know, and I agree with the reformers and the Puritans and even before then and other guys.
And I recognize that, well, wait, that, you know, Ephesians literally tells us that the third temple is not going to be built with literal rocks and stones, but rather with living stones, that Christians are the living stones being built into a temple for the Lord.
There is a third temple, but that third temple is the Christian church.
And it's a temple made of living stones.
Regenerate Christians saved by grace alone through faith alone and Christ alone.
And the foundation of that temple is not the Temple Mount in a geographic area in the Middle East somewhere, but rather that foundation is actually the apostles and the prophets.
And the capstone, the cornerstone, is Jesus Christ Himself.
And so, therefore, Israel in a geographic sense doesn't matter.
Okay.
That's a little better.
You're getting there.
But then you go full circle, you get all the way back around, and you're like, yeah, but I also just got done reading about Richard the Lionheart.
Mm hmm.
And, um, yeah, I think Christians are called to take over the world to do so, um, with justice, with just laws, just legislation to do so by preaching the gospel, the church functioning in its vein, in its sphere.
Preaching there will be many conversions, but even apart from conversions, there will be some who don't convert, but still will be out, upstanding citizens because the civil magistrate will be Christian as well.
Christian princes who are legislating the law of God in righteous ways, and it's not just going to happen in one corner of the earth.
That the whole earth will be filled with the knowledge, the glory of God, even as the waters cover the sea.
And we're going to capture everything.
Christian nationalism doesn't just mean this nation, but every nation.
The nations will flock to Mount Zion and worship and see Christ as glorious and as king.
That's going to happen everywhere, including Israel.
And even though there are no prophetic promises that are to happen in this geographic region, that a third temple being rebuilt or this, that, and the other.
It's still significant because this is the Holy Land.
This is the place where Jesus physically walked in his earthly ministry 2,000 years ago.
This was Mecca, the capital.
Jerusalem was the initial capital for the explosion of the Christian gospel before it then transferred to Antioch and Gentile places.
And we're going to recapture it for the glory of God.
There will be no temple.
There will be no mosque.
There will be a great and glorious Christian cathedral.
Days Volt, God wills it.
Let's go.
And you make that full circle, and all of a sudden you care again.
You don't care for the same reasons.
You care with a good head on your shoulder and exegeting scripture properly.
But the point is that it does matter.
It does matter that eventually, one day, there is peace in the Middle East, but not because that's going to somehow trigger a rapture and the church is going to be able to get out of here, and certainly not because we're going to side with Judaism in building a third temple as blasphemy against the Lord Jesus Christ.
But it matters because we do want those things in Scripture which are biblical prophecy that have yet to be fulfilled but are awaiting in our future.
And one of them is that the whole earth would be indeed filled with the glory, the knowledge of the glory of God as the earth.
Earth is covered or the waters cover the sea.
We believe that.
However, that said, Richard the Lionheart, a lot of people miss this about him, but good King Richard, he at one point, they basically had Jerusalem on lock, the Christian crusaders did, and they had, I forget if it was four, maybe it was seven different fortresses, and they had superior technology, right?
They're fighting off the Muslim hordes, and the Muslims are inferior in terms of their technology and all these kinds of things, in part.
Because I believe the Christian worldview is superior and it leads towards superior innovation and superior civilization, all these kinds of things.
Yes, I believe Christianity is superior.
Shocker.
I'm a Christian pastor.
And so I believe that nations and peoples that worship the Lord Jesus Christ fare better than other nations and other cultures.
Not all cultures are equal.
Some cultures eat cow, and some cultures use cow dung to eat.
Yeah, one is superior.
It's not just, oh, they're different.
No, one's better, one's worse.
So, all that being said, The Christians were superior.
They had it on lock, Jerusalem.
They had these fortresses and they had crossbows.
That was one of the premier technology of the time.
And with that, they could have a small manned militia that was able to hold back like a 20 to 1 ratio of Muslims that were trying to take over.
What they couldn't do, though, is they couldn't keep a path because they were locked in.
They needed a path to the sea in order to continue bringing in resources and food and all these different things and ammunition.
And it was the path.
The pathway, the land straight to get to the sea that was indefensible.
And eventually, what Richard the Lionheart determined was he said that it just, in the providence of God, it was not yet time, that Christ and his people eventually would take the Holy Land back.
But he saw it as kind of an island in the middle of an ocean of infidels, of Muslims who did not worship the triune God and who hated God's people.
And so he saw it as being significant, it was worthy of our efforts, it did matter.
It did matter, but it would have to be taken last.
Instead of starting right there in the middle in a sea of Muslims and then working your way out, you would have to eventually, slowly, over centuries, work your way in.
Richard the Lionheart figured that out in what, the 12th century, I believe.
And here we are, 800 years later, give or take, and we're dumber than our Christian fathers 800 years before.
So Jerusalem matters.
And who knows what God's doing in his providence?
But we've got a lot of thoughts.
I'm going to stop talking.
I'm going to let Wes and Michael pipe in here.
But I think there's a lot more going on than what we just saw in that press conference.
And I think after the last two weeks, and this is part of what I said in my tweet also, you know, guys are like, well, you know, you're just shilling for Trump, you know?
Trump's a Zionist.
Don't you know that?
Yes.
My goodness.
What world are you living in?
It's 2025.
There is no non Zionist viable option to be president of the United States.
If you're going to have a president, He's going to be a Zionist.
That's just where we are.
I'm not saying that's good.
I'm not happy about that.
But Israel hates Christ.
You know another nation that's hated Christ for quite a while now?
America.
Like, we just have to come to terms with that.
You just have to call a spade a spade.
America is a great nation and it has a distinct, glorious Christian founding, but we have been in the process of apostatizing and abandoning Christ and abandoning the Christian faith for decades upon decades upon decades.
We have not been faithful to the Lord Jesus Christ.
We've murdered 70 million babies in their mother's womb just in the last 50 years alone.
And those numbers are low for the record.
So, a nation that is drunk on the blood of unborn children, a nation that celebrates gay pride and all these different things, is yeah, it is befitting for a nation like that to have a Zionist president.
So, is Trump a Zionist?
Yes.
That's not the argument.
The argument we're going to be making today is not that Trump is playing 57 degree chess and that he's actually a reformed Christian and he's actually constantly sitting there reading.
John Winthrop, you know, and, you know, Perkins.
And like, no, Trump is a Zionist.
If he is a Christian, he is a baby Christian, an immature Christian in many ways.
And yet, at the same time, he is shaping up to be the best president, bar none, of my lifetime.
And the last two weeks, he has been phenomenal.
A lot more needs to happen.
A lot more needs to happen.
But he's firing on all cylinders.
And I think the argument that we want to make is let him cook.
Yep.
Let him go.
Wes, go ahead.
Let me just define Zionism.
Someone asked it, but I was already thinking it in my mind because it took me a while to understand just historically, this isn't a movement that's been around for a while.
So, this is late 1800s, early 1900s, the fervor really picks up.
You had Jews that were dispersed all over Europe, and there was varying, they were kicked out of different countries, sometimes of their own doing, sometimes not.
And so, this rhetoric kind of ramped up, especially among the more extreme factions.
We want our own country, and we want this area of British Palestine.
We want that given.
To us, because we have their claim was this was originally our land, this is originally where we're from, so we have a right to it and you should give it back.
And so in 1948, Israel returned to the land.
Basically, you have from Jordan, you have it split off into Palestine, Gaza, as we know it, there's a bunch of accords with Egypt and everything like that.
You have Gaza west of the Jordan towards the Mediterranean, then you have what's now called Israel.
And so Zionism is this idea that that state there, that it belongs to the Jewish people, it should be established, it should have, really, it should be.
All the nations of the world should help to defend it because it's this beacon of democracy and freedom of speech and all of that in the Middle East.
And so we talk about Zionism, we talk about subscribing to this idea that the Jewish people, this is their land, this is where they belong, they've always had a right to it, they have a right to sovereignty.
And of course, there's a little bit of variation narrower Zionism, broader Zionism.
Broader would just be kind of a general advocacy for the Jewish people, for power, for wealth, for all those different things.
But when we say Zionist, we're specifically thinking of this idea, not of Jews as people dispersed in all different countries.
But having a claim to the physical land there in the United States in a type of continuity.
Now, after the dispersion in the Middle East.
Now, after the dispersion, they were really spread everywhere, and any type of connection to the Judeans of the first century is really pretty much lost.
Sure, there's probably some ancestry there to Abraham.
Some of those Palestinians there also have it too.
And so that claim that we can trace our lineage, we can trace our line, really, this is the land that was taken from us from the Romans, is very tenuous at best.
Someday, maybe we'll do a full episode on it.
When we talk about Zionism, that's specifically what we're talking about.
The land, the people, their right to it, this beacon of democracy, that type of mindset.
And for the record, it's actually not a bad instinct or desire for a cultural people to want to have a land where they can be self governed, practice their own way of life.
That is not inherently the problem that we're talking about here.
It's that particular land, why, how, like you said, Wes, that's a much bigger story.
Tenuous Claims to the Land00:16:03
Right.
And what the equivalent of what's happened there, because you had the Palestinian people that were there before.
The Jews return and begin re migrating.
It'd be like if you think of two cities like here in Texas, Round Rock and Georgetown, right across from one another.
What if people in Round Rock, you know, every couple months took rocket launchers and launched it into Georgetown?
And then Georgetown as a town responded and raised the development and bombed it.
And there were civilians in hospitals.
And that back and forth had been going on for decades.
And that's what's happening here in the Israel Palestine area you have two ethnic groups of people, one that was there for a while, others that are coming in, and they've been fighting and killing one another for close to a century.
Yeah.
And really, it's hard for us in the US to understand the proximity.
They're very close to each other.
Yes.
I mean, like, it's almost, if you imagine how urban sprawl works, where a city doesn't really ever end, it just kind of flows into the next one.
I mean, there's not a big, huge, distinct geographic.
There are some, there's like the Golan Heights, there are some geographic differences, but really, they're right there next to each other.
I mean, stones, literally, the term a stone's throw away.
Packed in tight, not like farmland, kind of like hills and everything.
Packed and tight, and people just take rocket launchers and just launch them across the walls.
Yeah, that's commonplace there.
One thing that I think we should take into account is a little bit of precedent.
Trump has, you know, people continue to freak out.
You're talking about the guy who literally wrote a book, The Art of the Deal.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Has been a businessman, a savvy businessman his entire life.
Even people who hate Trump unintentionally cannot help but accidentally compliment him by saying, well, he got out of paying all these taxes.
Uh huh, yeah, because he's a sappy businessman.
Um, yeah, so you, even those who don't like him, you have to recognize that the guy has been uh wheeling and dealing, um, as a vocation for you know his entire life.
Uh, he's he's 80 you know 80 years old or close to it at this point, 70, 79, something like that.
Yeah.
Um, so uh, what we've seen even just in the last two weeks is like, oh my goodness, he's going to tank the stock market, you know, and ruin our economy and this and that, you know, because of his threats of tariffs on Mexico.
Threats of tariffs, you know, with China, his, the whole tariff thing with Canada.
And, and what you see very quickly, like with Canada, for instance, it was like, what, a 24 hour, if that, turnaround?
Yeah.
That Trudeau comes out and says, yeah, so we're going to be spending this many billion dollars to fortify the border and we're going to make sure that no fentanyl.
Thousands more troops.
Yep.
And we're going to increase screening.
We're going to make sure that fentanyl doesn't get into the U.S.
And that's what Trump was doing.
Trump, it's, you know, peace through a big stick.
Right, it's peace through strength.
That's his, I mean, he's he's told us that explicitly.
Um, his whole cabinet and his staff, you know, that's they say it ad nauseum again and again and again.
It's peace through strength, not peace through um being a quivering chihuahua and rolling over and playing dead.
It's peace through strength.
And so, um, I think that we should let him cook and see what he's up to.
Um, I think that uh, it's big talk usually with Trump.
Um, not that he's not willing to back it up, but uh, the reality is that most people are willing to fold.
Trump bluffs.
And other nations and national leaders usually quickly fold.
And I think that he probably has some kind of plan along those lines.
So this is now speculative, all right?
So, we're gonna get into some speculation, but it's fun.
And I think it can be informative, and it might be right.
But I think this may not be exactly it, but I think this is thinking in the correct direction on what's going on with this issue with Trump and the Gaza Strip.
So, I wanna share a thread.
This was posted late last night on X. Let's go ahead and pull up this thread.
I forget the name, we'll read it.
It's gonna come up on the screen in just one moment.
Here it is Fugitive Caesar.
Okay.
Just for the record, when we cite people on social media, somebody on X or this, that, or the other, This is a guy who I just saw screenshots of the thread.
Somebody shared just the screenshots.
It wasn't even a link or a retweet.
So I did not take the time, I didn't have the time to go and look up his profile and everything that he's posted on every topic for the last 12 months.
When we share things like this in our live stream, it is never meant to be just an overall blanket endorsement of that individual.
For all I know, Fugitive Caesar, he could be a local pastor.
And love the Lord Jesus Christ, or he could be a complete degenerate.
I have no idea, but I think he has a good insight here, and I'm grateful for it.
And so I'm going to read it.
This is what he said He, being Trump, he's trolling Bibby because Bibby supported Biden when the 2020 election was stolen.
Trump repeatedly did big PR moves to help Bibby right before domestic Israeli elections when Bibby was in trouble.
Then Bibby was a snake and backstabbed him, pure disloyalty, rather than taking Trump's side or simply remaining neutral.
So, Israel wants to use American troops to defeat their enemies and give all the land to Israel.
American soldiers bleed, take all the losses, and then Israel captures all the rewards and gives nothing to the American empire.
Bibby, however, was visibly flinching and squirming at the podium while Trump was talking about how wonderful and beautiful it would be for America to take all the Gaza land for itself, which Israel desperately wants and has coveted for 50 plus years.
Years.
Bibby remained non committal and gave the usual politician bullcrap where he said things like Trump is historic.
Trump has taken this to a new level.
We should listen to Trump's vision.
Trump is a man of genius.
But notice that all these phrases are empty platitudes designed to stall for time.
Trump can't side with the Palestinians for obvious political reasons, but he is also harming Israel by doing an agree and amplify.
Move where he is siding with Israel in such a way to capture everything that Israel wanted out of this war, but for America.
I love Israel.
Quote Trump saying, I love Israel.
That's why I'm going to take their land.
Close quote.
He continues Fugitive Caesar by saying, Now maybe this could work where America would own all the Gaza territory and then lease it to Israeli residents.
In parentheses, he said, Trump becomes the new landlord to the Jews and charges them rent.
I got to stop there for a second.
Love that.
Great.
Great irony.
The irony is just thick on that one.
It would be in the promise of God, just an absolute wonderful thing.
I think the Lord Himself would just probably get a kick out of that.
A bunch of Israelis paying rent to America.
There's a first time for everything.
It's a similar strategy, continuing now.
It's a similar strategy to Trump's sovereign wealth fund, where he realizes that America is the single biggest contractslash customer.
Of most companies that operate as vendors to the government.
So he wants to take an equity stake of five to twenty percent in exchange for massive bulk orders.
A creative way to pay off the thirty five trillion deficit.
Here for America.
Continuing.
Basically, it's a mistake to put American citizens, companies, or soldiers in Israel slash Gaza because it invites future forever wars and proxy conflicts, but it would be smart for us to start charging rents and leases to our vassal states in exchange for military protection.
All this is just setting up the next phase of the negotiation where Trump doesn't actually want the stuff that he's asking for.
Trump is trying to set up Peace with Iran, relocating Gazans to Egypt and Jordan while making Saudi Arabia pay for it.
Now, somebody commented on this thread.
This is Alan Schmidt.
He said, So he's just harming Bibi again while pretending to support his Zionist donors?
It would be a real 5D chess move.
Don't think this is the case, but I will wait and see.
And then finally, Fugitive Caesar responds by saying Israel wants America to destroy Iran on their behalf.
While eradicating or deporting the Palestinians, Trump is reframing the debate by playing upon Israel's public rhetoric rather than their actions.
That's the tweet, okay?
Long thread.
In short, what Fugitive Caesar is asserting is that Israel, in the name of PR, has said a lot of fluffy, you know, what I think are mostly empty platitudes about the Palestinian people and, well, we don't wish them any harm and this, that, and the other.
And so Trump is holding Bibi to that.
He's holding him to his rhetoric, not.
Israel's actions.
In terms of their actions, they very much have been at war.
And it seems like if they could get away with it in impunity, they would level Gaza and just absolutely obliterate everybody in it.
It doesn't seem like Israel would have any problem with ethnically cleansing Gaza.
And yet, their rhetoric, though, on the world stage, obviously is not that.
And so Trump is saying, well, let's go by what you said.
Surely, Bibi, you're not lying, are you?
So we'll just take you at your word that you want a peaceful resolution.
And so I have a creative idea.
We'll give you exactly what you want, right?
More American resources, right?
You want our money and you want our sons and daughters.
That's what Israel has always wanted.
America, give us your stuff.
Give us your people and give us your stuff so that Israel benefits and America gets nothing.
That's the relationship with our greatest ally, always has been.
And so Trump essentially says, we'll give you that.
And, you know, and he immediately follows that statement by saying, and then we'll own it, not Israel.
Gaza will be, it will belong to America.
And, you know, maybe some Israelis live there and you pay us.
And maybe, you know, some other people also live there and you pay us.
We do the work and we'll get it done.
We'll do a better job, you know, the temple, your typical Trump rhetoric.
We'll do a better job than any job that's ever been done.
It'll be such a good job.
You won't believe how good of a job.
But that's what he's asserting.
Trump is essentially saying, we'll do the work, but it's for America.
This land that you've wanted for a long time.
This land that you've been drooling over, that you've been sitting here thinking, oh, if there was any way that I could somehow get away with ethnically cleansing an entire people and taking this land, I would do it in a heartbeat.
Even October 7th.
It's like Mossad is some of the best intelligence counterterrorism in the world.
It's very likely, and I've seen sources that would say that they knew it was happening, but that was great cover for what they've started to do since then.
Right, exactly.
I don't think, you know, my position would not be that Israel actually did it themselves.
But I think that it's likely.
Now, I'm not saying definitive, neither of us are saying definitive, but it's possible, and I would even argue plausible, that the greatest security resources in the world that Israel has, that they had intel and knew what was going to happen, not that they did it to their own citizens, but it really was Hamas, it really was an enemy, but they could have stopped it, that they had intel, they could have intervened, and they allowed it to happen in order to provide.
The impunity and the reasoning, the moral justification for then coming in with a heavy hand in retaliation and getting what they've always wanted.
And so Trump says, you know what?
Today, your dreams come true.
America is going to use our efforts, our resources, our people, and we're going to take Gaza.
And you can almost just see Bibby smiling.
And then immediately he crushes Bibby's dreams by saying, and then it'll be ours.
It belongs to us.
And so, all that being said, do I think that we should have American boots on the ground?
No.
It's not our problem.
It's not our problem.
I think if I had to guess, I think it's probably a bluff.
And that what Trump is doing is he is expediting the Middle East to figure it out.
That you guys need to solve it or nobody gets it.
It's almost like, it reminds me almost like King Solomon.
Remember when the two women are fighting over the baby?
Tragically, it's a really sad story in the Bible.
But she, in the middle of the night, she's sleeping with her baby.
She rolls over and smothers and kills her own baby.
And then, when she realizes what she's done, she goes over to another woman and takes her baby in the middle of the night and puts her dead baby with her.
And then, you know, the woman wakes up and says, This is my baby.
You know, where's my baby?
And then sees her baby with this other woman.
And so the case gets brought all the way up the chain of command to the king, King Solomon himself.
And Solomon, you know, both women are claiming that the live baby is theirs and the dead baby is the others.
And in order to get to the bottom of it, what Solomon says is he tells one of his soldiers to take a sword and he says, All right, let's go ahead and take the live baby and cut it in half.
They can each have half of the baby.
And the woman, who is not actually the mother, who's been lying the whole time, she consents.
She's a wicked woman.
And she's like, Sounds good to me.
And the woman who is the true mother says, No, no, no, no, please, no.
Give the baby to the other woman.
She can, I'd rather.
Not have my own child than to see my child die.
I'd rather my child live and be with someone else than for my child to die.
And then Solomon declares, This is the true mother, give the baby to her.
And I think in some sense, that's partly what Trump is doing saying, There's a baby in this equation, Gaza.
Everybody wants it.
And Trump is saying, Okay, you guys, it's been about a century and you can't figure it out.
So we're going to take the baby.
It's mine now.
We're going to take it.
We'll do the work.
We're bigger and stronger than all of you.
And so we'll take the baby, and you guys can come and visit the baby for a fee.
You can get baby time, live there and pay us rent, which I just, again, I can't get over a bunch of Jews paying America rent.
I think that's hilarious.
And the point is not that this is for sure what's in his mind.
The point is don't black pill four hours into.
Trump speaking off the cup at a press conference.
Let him go.
There's ways this could play out.
And we'll blackpill in eight months if my brother's going to Israel and I'm praying for him every day.
Lord, please protect him.
There's a time to say, this is the worst.
There's also a time that's bad.
And then we'll just come back and say we're wrong.
And just for the record, for guys who are new listeners, we do that on a regular basis.
This ministry is different than probably what you've come to become accustomed to.
We regularly, I regularly will come back and say, yep, I missed that one.
And so that's not our MO of somehow defending a pure and spotless record that we've never been wrong about anything forever.
I've been wrong before.
And if we turn out to be wrong on this one, we'll come back and correct it and say, yep, we missed that one.
But to call it four hours in and to spiral into utter incessant despair and say, Now, Ben Shapiro celebrated it.
Beyond American Christianity Norms00:05:15
So I do get it.
Yeah, I did.
It's kind of like when you buy a stock and then Jim Kramer says, That stock's going to go to the moon.
No, no.
Like when you buy, you know, you buy a stock and Jim Kramer then starts singing that company's praises.
It's time to own Bitcoin.
It's exactly the same kind of thing.
It's like if, you know, if Trump is saying, We're going to do something, you know, in the Middle East and Ben Shapiro's saying, I love it.
You're like, Oh, no.
So I get that.
But still, Wes is right.
Four hours in for you to use that or to receive that as a justification for utter despair, I think it's too soon.
For two weeks, Trump has been on fire, on fire.
And to say that all that has just been a facade for his true aim, his true Zionist aim to just promote Israel and see to it that the third temple will be built and blah, blah, blah.
I think that that is.
I think it's ridiculous.
Is Trump a Zionist?
Yes.
Which is not good.
Don't love it.
Which is not good.
Yeah, we don't like that.
But everybody is.
If the Dems are in office, right?
It's like you've seen the meme where it's like, Bibi, he's there.
He's like, yeah, the true winner of every American election, Israel.
That's just the lay of the land.
It's 2025, the year of our Lord, and dispensationalism, the Schofield Bible, and all these things has done a number for 150 years.
Christians in America have been brainwashed.
It's not just our politicians, you know, sold us down the river.
The church chose us.
The church abandoned its historic Protestant, Reformed, confessional, covenantal beliefs about Israel, that the church is true Israel, and we sold all of that for Zionism.
The church in America, hook, line, and sinker, bought the dispensational Zionist psyop.
The advent of two world wars that crushed our hope in the advance of the gospel, the expansion of the flourishing of humanity.
We had two world wars, and we said, Jesus got to be coming back soon.
Yep.
I give up.
Yeah.
No, I mean, you see that.
You see a massive decline of like post millennial eschatology after World War I and II.
And who could blame them?
You know, they're like, we've seen atrocities we couldn't even possibly imagine.
Millions.
You know, the world is not getting better.
There's no possible way that, you know, everything's going to hell in a handbasket.
So between dispensationalism, you know, and then 70 years after that, you know, World War I and II, and then 70 years after that, here we are today.
That's, you know, that's a number that takes a toll.
And so the current state of not just Our politicians, but the state of the country is what's producing our politicians, and beyond that, the state of the church.
The church in America, and you might say, Well, my Reformed Church isn't, or my Catholic Church isn't, or my Eastern Orthodox Church isn't.
Great.
So 3%, right?
3%.
You don't think of this, but the normie, squishy, evangelical church in America, right?
That mega church, the eyesore that you drive past every day on the way to work, that just.
This box, you know, that's that a church of 10,000 people meet there with their fog machine, you know, and they're like friendship or faith culture or something silly.
Yeah, exactly.
A relevant, cutting edge church, you know, like that church that's 80%, 80, 90% of Christianity in America.
That's just where we are.
You know, Jesus is my boyfriend, worship songs and 20 minute TED Talk sermons, and everything is.
Geared towards feminine sensibilities, right?
They've given up on winning the men.
The whole church is made up of women, women of both sexes.
And that is the church.
And that church in America, 80, 90% of churches in America, is Zionist.
They're John Hagee, right?
There was a church I saw just the other day, and it wasn't a Catholic church or an Eastern Orthodox church or a Reformed church.
It was just your typical, normie, evangelical church, mega church with like, Thousands of people in it, and they built like a life size replica of the wailing wall in the foyer in the church.
So, you have a Christian church with just a monument to blaspheming the Lord Jesus Christ, where their own parishioners can come in on their way to worship Jesus.
They can stop by the wailing wall and pay homage to a religion and people that hate Jesus.
That is, and that's par for the course.
That's American Christianity.
So, if that's American Christianity.
Then that's going to set the tone for your American president.
You're going to get a Zionist president.
The only choice you have is which one?
Do you want Zionist Dims or Zionist GOP, you know, normie, you know, neocons?
You know, do you want the Zionist Bidens or the Zionist Bushes or Zionist Trump?
Choosing Between Zionist Candidates00:04:42
Yeah.
That's the thing.
Who's much more America focused.
Well, I think we'll pivot to that in the next section, right?
Like, yeah.
Not great, but still, the bulk of his focus is not transgender refugees in Ukraine.
It's America, typically, with an exception, of course, for Israel.
Right.
Okay.
So that's it for our first segment.
I hope that you guys have found that helpful.
I think that we will find out soon.
So far, if there's any precedent in these last two weeks at all, in every case, what Trump has done is peace through strength.
He bluffs, he plays heavy, and people fold quickly.
Quickly, it's been a quick turnaround.
Walk softly, carry a big stick.
That's right.
So, it's been a quick turnaround on all these things.
I do not think that we're going to have American soldiers' boots on the ground in Israel, our sons and daughters bleeding out for Israel.
Is Trump a Zionist?
Yes.
But will that be the way that it shakes out?
If I had to guess, no.
If I'm wrong, I'll come back, tail between my legs, and say, sorry, guys, I missed this one.
But I don't think that's what's going to happen.
I think that we got to let them cook.
We'll see.
How it turns out, and I don't think we'll have to wait long.
I think what we've seen so far is quick turnaround.
So let's go to our first commercial break, and then we are going to come back and we're going to talk about Trump slashing another thing right now, but slashing USAID.
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I'm sorry, I pronounced it wrong.
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You got Dusty Devers, who's a state senator, you've got guys who are, yeah, who are putting in the work and stacking up wins.
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You know, like we really know what's going on.
We really know what's going on.
It's so bad.
It's so bad.
Yeah, it is so bad.
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You have to run for local election.
You have to do something.
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They know what's going on, but they're also guys who are hopeful.
They're hopeful.
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Wes.
All right.
So over the weekend, so Jump's been inaugurated for about two weeks or so, and Elon Musk's been getting right to work.
Which, same thing as Trump.
He's a Zionist.
You know, he paid the visit after he made some insensitive tweets.
But as far as what he's practically actually doing, right?
There's the rhetoric, there's the wall, there's the tweets.
But then, practically on the ground, what are they doing?
Elon Musk has been doing a lot of good through cutting government waste.
And over this last past weekend, so normally, right, government officials, it's Friday, it's not even 5 o'clock, 1 o'clock, 12 o'clock, they're out of office.
Elon Musk and his Doge team, which is literally.
He actually had them stay home.
He had a.
Work from home order.
Oh, for the USAID.
Yep.
So, him and his literally like group of like five autistic zoomers that are just like super brilliant.
They're going around looking at contracts, cutting waste.
They took aim at the USAID, the United States Agency for International Development.
Very specific term, very clear what they do.
Well, turns out what they do, what this kind of apparatus does, is it's huge.
It's $40 billion.
And when you get into the contracts and you get into the grants and you get into everything that it does, and people have been sounding the alarm on this.
People like Mike Benz, Robert RFK Jr., is what this really is it's the pipeline for so much of what you could kind of colloquially call the deep state.
All of their projects, not here just in the United States, but all over the world.
So think about LGBTQ initiatives in Pakistan, spreading atheism in, I think it was Nigeria.
Literally, that's what it was funding.
Literally, it was funding.
Like it was a $500,000 grant to promote professors, teachers, resources, classes.
For atheism in Nigeria.
So, atheism, LGBTQ, gender equality.
And what they're waiting for.
Bryce wanted to start up a trans comic strip in Brazil and a trans opera in Brazil.
Yep.
Like, so tens of thousands of dollars going to fund this sort of cultural project.
Bryce just said in the chat, United States Agency of International Degeneracy.
There we go.
Yes.
That's the true.
Literally billions and billions of dollars, taxpayer dollars, your dollars.
So, you, citizen, worked hard.
Paid to trans people in Pakistan.
And it was this means of, because where ultimately could go, like I think it was me and you, Michael, they were talking about this.
Buying elections, for example, in second or third world countries, it's a lot cheaper, right?
You could pour millions and millions of dollars into elections here, even local, and not win.
But buying elections in places like Ukraine and Brazil and other places, they're much cheaper.
So imagine you wanted foreign policy that was friendly to your liberal policies, prosecutors, all of these things.
These have been the avenues through which this dark money, taxpayer money, flows.
To then set up and prop up regimes in different countries.
This is the type of money that the CIA uses.
And so it's this giant glut of money that is being used all over the globe to spread liberalism, to spread degeneracy, to spread filth, to prop up all of these values that are antithetical to Christianity, to America.
And what Elon Musk is realizing is he pulled the plug like a bathtub, is that when you drain that, you're pulling away the power, this global GAE, globalist American empire hegemony.
Of getting the engine that drives all of this.
Drain the gay.
Drain the gay.
Bain Moller just commented, he said $8 million to prop up Politico.
That's true.
That's another aspect money went to, it was AP, Associated Press, Politico, New York Times.
Now, some of this was ostensibly for subscriptions.
So, like $8 million of subscriptions.
Well, a lot of subscriptions.
Right.
It was like 57 subscriptions for $8 million.
So, some of it truly may have been, well, this is a subscription or a different type of access level.
But some of it genuinely, Politico, their payroll didn't run over the weekend.
It didn't.
So a bunch of contracts got canceled.
Yep.
Politico went to try to pay their people.
And like, oh man, there was a glitch.
So it's very possible.
I'm just, this is surface level.
This is publicly available information atheism, degeneracy, this, that, or the other.
Underneath it all, we could be talking about whole media corporations that have had millions and millions of dollars shuttled to them to push narratives.
And it goes to show because there's so many things it's like, well, how would people believe this?
Or how would people be on board?
Does anyone really like buy it?
It turns out you need billions of dollars to make the propaganda work.
And that's what's been happening.
That's what we said like two weeks ago.
We did an episode where we talked about.
The inevitable return of nature.
Nature's Inevitable Return00:15:17
Nature is healing, right?
And that a society, civilization, people can only go against the natural order that God instituted for so long before nature eventually snaps back like a rubber band with a vengeance.
I think that's what we named it like the vengeance of nature.
The vengeance of nature, exactly.
And so it's like going with the grain versus going against the grain, or to use an illustration of kayaking, it's a lot easier to go downstream than it is to go upstream, to go against the current.
So, to go against nature, right?
To try to convince, not just in your own nation, but eight billion something people around the entire world, to convince them that a boy can be a girl and a girl can be a boy, and that a baby in the womb is just a clump of cells, and to convince them of all these different things of feminism and egalitarianism and globalism that that's really great, and to convince people of this.
Because what's natural for people is.
Like patriotism is natural.
It's love of fatherland, right?
It comes from the word patriarchy love of the father, love of place, fatherland.
Patriarchy is natural.
Hierarchy is natural.
All people are equal in terms of their inherent eternal dignity before God.
And all people within one nation should be equal under the law in terms of their innate rights and those kinds of things.
Apart from that, people are not equal, right?
Like when we were first.
You know, combating wokeness, you know, one of the regular lines was, well, equality is good, but equity is bad, you know, because equality is equal opportunity, but equity is equal outcome.
And to have equal outcome, you have to manipulate things, you have to affect things to make sure that this person who doesn't work as hard gets the same kind of reward and results as the person who worked really hard.
And that's not just.
And so equity goes against justice because equal outcomes have to be manipulated.
You have to suppress those who work harder and simply, you know, fluff up those who.
Who don't work as hard.
So, equity is bad.
Well, here's the deal.
In 2025, I think we can say this equity is bad.
Yes.
Also, equality.
Equality is bad because it's not true.
Not because it's morally bad, but because all lies are ultimately evil.
A lie is immoral.
God did not make a homogenous world where everything is the same.
And He didn't do it with the animal kingdom and different species and animals.
There's a chain, right?
We call it the food chain.
Same thing with people.
Now, it shouldn't be a food chain.
Obviously, we should not be exploiting or oppressing or taking advantage of the poor.
There's scripture upon scripture upon scripture about treating the downtrodden and the poor with justice.
But that said, not all people are equal.
I did not have an equal opportunity.
It's like, well, equity is bad, equal outcomes, but equal opportunity, equality, that's good.
I didn't have equal opportunity to play in the NBA as Michael Jordan.
What do you mean equal opportunity?
The only way you have an equal opportunity, not just outcome.
But opportunity is you would all have to be born with the same IQ.
You would all have to be born with the same generational wealth.
And how would you accomplish that?
Well, you would only be able to accomplish it by wealth redistribution.
You would have to, right?
If consecutively five generations of your ancestors worked really hard because they wanted for them and their posterity to be blessed, well, you know, but then somebody else didn't.
Well, the only way that you could have equal opportunity is you actually would have to take away from families and generations who had worked really hard to set up their future posterity and give it to those who didn't.
So that the next, you know, the current generation, the moment that they're born, they would all start with, you know, the same inheritance.
They would all start with the same resources.
This is what we've done even in our schools.
And this is why, well, how do you get that equal outcome?
Well, you just make sure that because some kids are smart and some aren't.
But how do you make sure that everyone's equal?
Well, you just make sure that nobody learns how to read.
You just have such lousy curriculum and lousy staff and lousy this and lousy programs to where nobody.
Does well.
And so that's what we've been doing a really long time.
But there is an inevitable, and I think a quick, impending snapback to nature.
And with nature, you do not find equity.
You also do not find even equality because God created a world with distinctions.
In part because distinctions are an element of beauty.
God created a world that is good and true and beautiful.
And part of what makes something beautiful is that it's dynamic.
It has differences and distinctions and ways of complementing one another.
There's contrast, distinctions, complementary relations, and all these different things.
That's part of the beauty of God's world.
And so, no, not all people are equal.
Equal inherently in terms of your dignity, your worth and value before God.
So, at the eternal level, equal.
At a legislative, at a legal, judicial level, equal under the law.
But we are not equal in our giftings, our aptitude, our ability, our strength.
Physically, intellectually, emotionally, at every single level, people are different.
You can do that individually.
You can also do that ethnically with ethnos, meaning nations, people.
So, not just people, individual people, but peoples.
Not all the nations of the earth, not only do they not have equity, equal outcome, but there are some nations that are more gifted and some nations that are less gifted.
There are some nations with a higher average IQ, some nations with a lower average IQ, some nations with more wealth, some nations with less wealth.
And so that's nature, and that's the world that God established.
And nature has been tarnished and corrupted.
Things are worse than God's original design because of sin, sin entering the world.
But a sinless world would still not be a homogenous world, it would be a world with distinctions.
So, egalitarianism is not actually biblical.
It's not God's original design.
It's not natural.
It's not natural.
Hierarchy is natural.
Globalism is not natural.
Nationalism is natural.
Feminism is not natural.
Patriarchy is national, and there's a return at every level from globalism to nationalism, from feminism to patriarchy, from egalitarianism to hierarchy.
At every single level, there is an inevitable return to nature.
And what we're finding all the way back to the USAID, what we're finding is because I've asked the question myself, I've thought, how could this even be possible?
How in the world could an entire nation, an entire world, how could 8 billion people actually be?
Be convinced and persuaded, and buy into something that is so wrong on its face, like transgenderism, you know, or abortion, or you know, XYZ fill in the blank.
And come to find out, the answer is exactly what you probably thought it was.
The answer is that that doesn't happen ordinarily.
That doesn't happen naturally.
That if you want to go against nature, right, you're paddling upstream.
To go downstream, you don't have to do anything at all.
To go upstream, you have to put forth a lot of effort.
And we've been trying to go against nature for decades now.
And that requires a lot of effort.
And in this case, a lot of that effort looks like a lot of cash.
It looks like paying third world countries, giving them money, and they need the money, and saying, Here's the stipulation you can have American money, but you got to be gay.
And then going over here, you got to be gay.
You got to be gay.
You got to be like that.
Literally, when you think of what is the premier American export, sodomy.
For the last three decades.
For the last three decades.
What does America produce and export to the world?
Our sacred democracy, not our gay democracy.
Gay.
America is gay.
G A Y, G A E, every gay you can, G H E Y, every way you can spell it, all the different gays.
America is king of the gays.
And that's what we've been doing.
But to me, it's encouraging.
I was going to say, this is a white pill.
This is a white pill.
Because what we're finding out is, oh, you know what?
Total depravity is still a thing, right?
I mean, that explains a lot of this.
Total depravity is still a thing.
People are sinners apart from saving grace, it's found in Jesus through faith alone.
We're in trouble.
All that is still true.
But it turns out that even with total depravity and even with sinners in the hands of an angry God, apart from saving grace in Jesus Christ, that still a vestige of the image of God still remains, even in fallen men, to where even fallen men understand certain basic natural truths.
And those guys, turns out, are only giving their assent to the opposite of nature.
Because they're being paid billions of dollars to do it.
And if the money dries up, you know what we're going to see?
We're going to see masculinity on the rise all around the world.
We're going to see hierarchy reestablished.
We're going to see nationalism reestablished.
We're going to put the gay away.
Praise God.
This is a white pill.
And what the money's funding is propaganda specifically.
That's what's so useful on the human psyche is propaganda and normalization.
You just assault people again and again for decades.
With images and tell them this is normal, this is normal, this is normal.
If you have any problem with it, you're the weird one, you need to push it down.
So, when all of that goes away and you don't have that sustaining force trying to reinforce decades worth of indoctrination, when that goes away, just simply seeing a normal family, well, that's propaganda in and of itself that doesn't require any payment.
Michael, any thoughts before we get into the left's reaction to all this?
Well, I did.
Well, mine are related to the left's reaction, so I'll save them.
So, this apparatus has been, it took decades to get to this point.
Joe Biden did not come into office.
2021, signed executive order, boom, $40 billion.
You could argue all the way back to JFK when he talked about chopping up the CIA.
It has been decades that a type of deep state, unelected, bureaucratic organization has been doing this work of subverting the American voter, the American democracy, all of these different things.
So, this is something, this has been a project in the works for a generation.
So, you're talking about a generation of hard work.
The USAID was created by JFK, right?
Yes, executive order in 62, I believe.
So, it's been decades to get it to where it is right now.
And what's happening is it's all going away.
Not a 10% cut in funding, not 20%.
Like, hey guys, you need to lay off 10% of your workforce and stop three projects in three different countries.
All of them have been put on leave, administrative leave, as of, I think, Monday afternoon.
So we were talking about all of it going away.
And my question was Charles Haywood has expressed this.
When is the left going to find its spine?
Right during the election, it was all Trump is Orange Hitler, Trump is going to be a dictator.
So they said all of that.
And then he won.
They said, well, we've got to have a peaceful transfer of power, which kind of indicates they didn't believe their own rhetoric.
But many of them, the crazies especially, most certainly did.
And the left has never, you think of the Spanish Civil War, you think of communism, they've never gone away easily.
It's never been that the left has won an election and said, oh, what are we going to do?
Democracy wanted to be this side or the other.
The left has never gone away nonviolently, at least it would seem until now.
However, we're about two weeks into Trump's administration.
They found their talking points, they found a little bit of their organization.
And we are now getting to the point, I mean, this is literally today.
There's protests at every state capitol.
We have sitting U.S. senators calling for obstructing all of Trump's cabinet picks.
You have, I'm going to show the clip here in a minute, a U.S. congresswoman, which in and of itself, that's a problem, but calling to shut down Washington, D.C.
And so the left has finally found its way.
It's on Trump's team.
Yeah.
Wait, shut down the city?
D.C.?
I'm for it.
So we're going to play these clips and we're going to talk about is the left going to go away silently or are we looking at more unrest here in the future?
Republicans that we will not take this.
We will fight back!
And as I close out $250 million into a campaign and they've been given access, full access to the Department of Treasury of the United States of America.
We are at war.
Thank you.
And then we have one more from Senator Cory Booker, if you have that.
That we will cooperate with no appointments when it comes to the State Department, no appointments when it comes to foreign policy.
The first thing we're going to do in the Senate is not.
Cooperate with the illegal and unconstitutional acts that they are trying to do.
The second thing we are going to do, and we met this morning, it is in the legal perspective.
The second thing we are going to do is we are going to fight this legally in every way we can.
We will fight their violation.
Of civil service laws.
We will fight their violation of civil rights laws.
We will fight their violations of separation of powers.
We will fight their violations of our Constitution of the United States of America.
We will not shut up.
We will stand up.
We will speak up.
We will rise up.
It is time, as the African spiritual says, for us to lift.
Every voice in condemnation of what's going on.
I just got to say real quick in the background, the crowd, 90% chicks.
Yeah, well, 100% women, 90% chicks.
Right, yeah.
No, it was.
Yeah.
Did you see the USAID poster in the background?
If you were just listening, but they're protesting the shutdown of USAID.
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Like that specifically has been the straw.
It's like, what's going to get us out in the streets?
What's going to get us protesting, yelling?
And it was the shutdown of the big gay conglomerate.
That's what great sport was.
So you're saying that, like, Charles Haywood and other guys, you know, have been surprised.
And, you know, that, like, Trump's elected, he's installed January 20th.
And it's like, why?
Like, how come half the country's not burning down?
Because that's typically what the left does is they, you know, they, if they don't get their way, they literally set fire to cities.
That's the left.
They kill people.
They, you know, they, I mean, the group that kills babies also.
Burns down cities, you know, like big shocker there.
So, uh, why, you know, why are they just seemingly taking it on the chin and losing with grace and dignity?
Like, that doesn't seem to be their MO.
And it's like, well, um, in part, like the left, yeah, I mean, they just didn't stand a chance.
They literally had a geriatric, you know, dude with Alzheimer's, dementia in office and, and then a cackling hyena.
Like the left, the left lost the 2024 election all the way back, you know, in 2023 and 2024 when.
They made a choice that they did.
And so that's kind of like, you can't really do anything about that.
But in a sense, as much as they hate Trump, that's not the biggest threat.
The biggest threat is taking away their free cash to support making everything gay.
And definitely, Department of Education, too.
It's all wrapped up in the government is losing power, it's not able to fund these programs, fund these initiatives, export democracy.
Michael, you had thoughts?
Did you see, Wes, this subreddit that was shut down by Reddit?
I was about to mention it.
Go ahead.
So, Wes, correct me if I'm wrong, but there was a subreddit that, and Reddit's a pretty loosey goosey free will and like, you can say basically whatever you want.
You can put the nastiest things on Reddit.
Yeah.
You can't be a Trump supporter.
Like, they literally banned any semi right wing communities, but go ahead.
I just, and it's to your point, it's the larger point that you're making, Wes, that none of us had ever heard of USAID before, right?
Like, not really.
Like, I maybe had seen it in some, you know, News story or something.
Nobody really knows what USAID was.
No one did until Elon Musk started shining the flashlight around in the dark.
And all of a sudden, from the time when Elon Musk and Doge start suspending and shutting down aspects of USAID, this huge, I'm saying there's a million members of this subreddit, this huge Reddit community starts violently calling for the actual death of.
Musk and the members of Doge who are investigating USAID.
It got so bad that Reddit suspended the whole thing.
And they said it is going to come back online, but Reddit itself is going to have moderators in there making sure that it doesn't get out of hand.
Now, how does a government agency that most people have never heard of end up sparking such calls to violence on this Reddit community that Reddit itself has to take it down?
Like this is the pressure point that's being poked.
And when you push the pressure point, you know, when you hit the part that hurts, when the doctor pushes on the part of the leg that does hurt, you yell.
And apparently, this is, to Charles Haywood's point, this is actually the true pressure point.
And as soon as Trump and Doge poked it, there has been an immediate and vitriolic reaction to it, which to me just says we're over the target.
When you throw the dog, it's the bar, it's when you throw the brick, it's the dog that yelps that got hit.
This is apparently the zone that really is kind of the locus of the deep state, I would say.
Right.
And it goes to show, you know, we're not total Trump sycophants.
There's like 2% of us, at least, that's somewhat reserved.
But it means Trump means business.
He didn't campaign his whole thing on guys.
When I get in office, I promise you, I promise you, I promise you, I'm going to take down USAID.
Right.
This wasn't even on anyone's radar.
He could have left it be, but through Elon Musk and Trump, going for it, the heart of the deep state early on, too.
So it's not like we went two years and, guys, we finally got to tackle the big one, the elephant in the room.
Two weeks in, Cut to the heart, fire every employee, cancel the contracts.
It shows they mean business.
And whatever they're projecting publicly, whatever is being tweeted or said or spoken of publicly, you have to remember behind the scenes is probably 50% greater.
The rhetoric, the initiative, the desire to take it down.
And so I view this as very encouraging that it is not Trump 1.0.
We remember 2016 to 2020, he was defensive.
He didn't have many allies.
This is different.
And the damage that's being done for the left to recover from is not going to be in two years.
They get the apparatus all.
Assembled again.
It's going to take decades.
The left would have to win for decades to even begin to claw back the institutional, the money, the leverage that they're losing daily today.
What was it that you told me on the way in about Vance's comment about how long they're going to keep up this pace for?
He said, Trump's having the time of his life, and he said, We're going to go just like this for four years.
That was his promise.
It's like, for four years, we're going to keep up, cut things, change things, make things better, et cetera.
I get it.
We started off with the black pill.
We're still Zionism.
We're still shuttling billions out to Israel.
But there's a lot of reasons to be encouraged, and we can talk about the left and violence.
I have some reasons for that.
But, Joel, any thoughts before our last commercial break?
No, it's just, it's kind of to me, the only thought I had was it's kind of like the inverse equivalent to what immigration is for the left.
So it's like you have policies that, you know, that help your side attain and wield power and get victories and those kinds of things during your term while you're in office.
And then the other side, you know, if they win, then they, you know, switch it back.
But there's some things that actually, Are much more permanent that change, they give a permanent advantage to one side over the other.
And for the left, there's a few things like that, but a big one is immigration, right?
That if you can get rid of, you know, have porous borders and get a whole bunch of people in, and then also, you know, degrade voting regulations and laws, and you don't have to have voter ID and all that, you know, then you can achieve a permanent advantage.
Because foreigners, they vote for the left.
Now, eventually, things eventually change where people who have been here for two, three generations and really come to love America, they're like, there's people from Cuba who are like, no, no.
But those people who have been here for 15 minutes, they're going to vote for whatever party is going to let their cousin in and their aunt and their uncle and their friends.
And so you're securing for yourself permanent advantages.
And I think this could be, I think that's why there's such a vitriolic response, is because this could be the equivalent for the right to get rid of this USAID, to be able to say, oh, there's your advantage is that you're funded always.
Whether there's Republicans in office or Democrats in office, one thing remains the same across the board for decades.
That your agenda and your ideology is literally taught in every school, it's in every diversity, equity, and inclusion wing of every company.
And it all is being done on the taxpayers' dime.
Christianity today took $2 million from them.
Christianity today.
There was a grant totaling about $1.8 million.
So even organizations like that, Christian, check that out.
Christian, I'm big air quotes there.
Like even those propped up.
Yeah, artificially.
That totally makes sense because sometimes it's like, you know, you're looking at these things and you're like, how is this successful?
Yep.
How does Russell Moore have an audience?
Like, how?
Like, it doesn't make sense.
Who's reading Christianity today?
You know, like, who's reading the Gospel Coalition?
You know, like, how is this working?
And it makes sense to realize, oh, well, there's a way of going with the grain.
With nature, and if you go against the grain, that has to be manipulated.
You can't exactly if you go against the grain, anything that's going against the grain that's this directly flying in the face of nature, you can just about assume that it's being propped up, right?
People don't naturally fly.
If someone's flying through the air, they need a jetpack, they need power, right?
Yeah, harnessed power, right?
To fly, if somebody's falling, you can fall without any innovation, right?
You can fall, you don't need to invent something, but if you want to fly, you want to go against.
The grain, then you're going to need, you have to manipulate the environment.
And I think that's, yeah.
So the left wants immigration for a permanent advantage.
And I think the right, if this can be slashed and cut and ground up into dust and make the left drink it, just like Moses did with the golden calf, you know, ground it up and make the Israelites drink it in their water.
If we can do that in four years, and Lord willing, 12 years, I think it's possible that MAGA could hold it for 12 years.
Then it's actually like we're looking at the potential of the Democrats, at least as we know them.
Right, they would have to, but Democrats as we've known them, especially you know, your 2020 to 2024, that kind of regime could be done forever.
Yep, I want to say too.
So, like, see, point A, see the black pill, they're all owned by APAC, you know, it's all Zionism.
What are the better?
There's Thomas Massey, God bless him.
I was about to say, in what scenario do guys like Thomas Massey, Andrew Torba, those with that push back against that, which really could, in many senses, you could say is the real enemy, the real enemy, what are the better scenarios for pushing back against that?
Not having a majority in the House, not having a majority in the Senate, not having platforms that have free and open speech.
Like, of those two, which one affords us the better opportunity to push back and say, hey, America should be more isolationist?
We should be worried about foreign interference.
APAC should not be a thing, dual citizenship.
What scenario best allows that conversation to happen?
One where we have no voice, no institutional power, none of our elected officials.
Thomas Massey has no, he's going to be Secretary of Agriculture.
I realize that's not a political appointment, but like, Clearly, the situation we're in now allows for more of our guys to have more of a voice.
JD Vance, like, he follows Charles Haywood on Twitter.
Right.
So, as a vice president, he sees those people, has power, has access, has influence.
This is a better scenario to get to.
If you think Zionism and APEC and all of those are the true battle, this is the situation.
This is the setup that you want compared to Kamala winning.
I mean, her husband was talking about literally putting a menorah, like an entrance to the White House.
That one does not help you win that battle.
And so I understand the Black Pill perspective.
I understand that even at the end of the day, still the money's still going out.
But this is the scenario that helps us get to the point where that goes away, Tim.
Right.
Well said.
Okay, let's go to our last commercial break and we'll come back.
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We're going to take some questions now.
Nathan's going to go ahead and start categorizing these over.
But if you will, if you have a question for us, just you got to put a question mark on there or start your comment by saying question, colon, and then blah, blah, blah, and we'll get to it.
So far, what do we got?
Do we have anybody?
Comment atheists don't exist made, which is a great handle for the record.
Yeah, it's cool.
Atheists do not exist.
There are none of them.
So, atheists do not exist was mentioning, it's a little farther down, Nate, but I remember it.
He said, you know, USAID was something that he said Bush campaigned on.
Now, I don't remember that because I was five years old, but assuming it's true that Republicans have always made the promise about we've got to defund this, we've got to defund that.
Same thing for the Department of Education.
For decades, Republicans have campaigned on, we're going to abolish it.
And yet, we're here today, and at least as of two days ago, it still exists.
And so, how do you How do you be realistic?
I guess you can kind of say, like, I want to get my hopes up.
This has always been promised.
And yet, at the very end, it gets swept under the rug.
But I mean, guys, like, the executive orders are actually being signed.
Like, there's Zoom calls with different federal employees, and some of them are disappearing mid call as their accounts are just shut down.
Like, no one, many guys who've been around for longer, they said, This is something that's never happened in my lifetime.
I followed politics for 30 years, and the level of what is defunding, what we're taking away, abolishing whole institutions like the Department of Education.
And so I just want to say to atheists, don't exist.
You said it's all a show.
USAID was going to be ended under George Bush.
I get it, and that is true.
So I'm not lying to you and saying, like, no, no, no, Republicans never said we'd do this.
Yeah, many of them did.
But I think hope actually means you believe things can change.
You can say, yeah, it is true for decades.
They blew smoke and said, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going to defund this.
We're going to get rid of it, this, that, or the other.
But it's also possible that somebody actually does it.
You know, another thing that Republican presidents said they were going to do for decades was overturn Roe.
Yeah.
Right.
And row is over and it's back to the States.
Yep.
Okay.
This is a good super chat.
Joel, you got to read it.
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We appreciate that.
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Love it.
Speaking of gay, Kodak Joe, Kodiak Joe, he's been talking a lot about shoes this episode.
Is complimenting a man's shoes gay?
Absolutely not.
You need to be fashion maxing.
You need to look good.
You need to look sharp.
You need to be matching.
You should be telling your boy, if he's got great shoes, bro, those are great shoes.
All right.
Let's see.
What else do we got?
Looking, looking.
Anybody got a question?
We already did this one.
Oh, the Zionism definition.
Yep.
Yep.
What have you guys been most, what's been the thing that Trump's done besides USAID that you're most like, yes?
The list is long.
It's a genders thing for me.
Yeah.
He just ended, not ended, but signed an executive order related to men and women's sports.
Yep.
Yep.
For me, it was just so shocking when he said it in his inauguration speech that we are going to have two genders, two sexes.
And then the fact that he just did it immediately the next day.
What was so shocking about it was not just number one, that he said it, but then number two, it wasn't, turns out, something he was just saying because then he immediately signed the executive order.
And so that for me was when I realized he's not messing around.
Like, he didn't actually say his best stuff on the campaign trail.
Right.
You know, he saved the best stuff for when he was elected.
And then he didn't just say it to us, he actually started executing on it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I saw a meme the other day where it was like, uh, it was a picture of like two people on a roller coaster, you know, and like how, at the precipice of the roller coaster and like on its deepest dive or something, you know, uh, they'll have like an automatic camera that takes your picture and you can see it afterwards when you get off.
It's like, oh, he looks so funny, he's so scared, or he's like, and one of you know, the picture is like two guys going, you know, super fast on the roller coaster, and one of them has his hands in there and he's just smiling and having a great time, and then that guy next to him is like, oh.
You know, and so in the meme, like the kid who's smiling and having a good time, hands in the air, just don't care.
It says, me having voted for Trump to repeal the 20th century.
And then the next one next to it says, my normie neighbor who just wanted cheaper eggs.
That's great.
You know, it's like, so, anyways, to answer your question, Wes, for me, it's more of a general than a specific thing.
But I've just been encouraged by, You win by winning.
And so actually wielding power.
And so I think just the speed, the constant speed, and it's so fast.
And also, it's so much, so many things all happening, speed of light.
And that's like we have an enemy, like an actual enemy.
You don't feather dust enemies, you slash them.
With swords, you know, and uh, and so yeah, you don't tickle the enemy, um, you don't put on the kid gloves.
And I feel like, yeah, I feel like Trump and his administration from his appointments, you know, like, um, there's there's you know, you can point out problems with every single one of them.
Certainly, if we're saying, you know, well, um, you know, Pete's a Zionist or this or that, sure, like C.A., I've already said it's 2025, right?
You're gonna get a Zionist one way or another.
Um, I think that will change eventually.
I think the uh, Israel's gravy train is coming to a grinding halt.
Oh, the resistance just that you see online and everything like that, like it's more, it's greater than it's ever been in modern eras of people saying to senators, why do you care about Israel?
And it's generational.
I elected you to represent Florida.
It's generational, too.
Yeah.
So it's like, you look at Gen Z, no one likes Israel.
Gen Z is based.
They're scary based.
Like you have like Gen Z left toys, like they hate Israel, and on the right, They also do this.
That was my only other thought with the video from Trump talking about Gaza.
When you get to the end of that video, what he said was this has been going on for 100 years, it has to end.
Well, there's a way to look at that saying Trump realizes we are giving a ton of money to Israel.
Right.
And possibly the only way for that to stop is for this whole disaster in Israel to stop as well.
Right.
And maybe it's a bluff and they sort it out.
Yeah.
Or maybe we do it, but we take the resources.
But either way, Trump's thinking we got to get, we got to uncouple from this, right?
We got to detach from this.
Yep.
So, yeah.
And I think that's a good sentiment.
So, anyways, for me, what's been encouraging is what I was going to say is, yeah, you can, you know, so and so is a Zionist or whatever.
Yeah, I get it.
Um, But all the right people are angry, and that's usually a fairly accurate indicator.
So, with every single one of, like, to me, the very first appointment, you know, that for me answered a lot of questions was like, if Trump, you know, had announced on the campaign trail, you know, that it's going to be, you know, Nikki Haley, you know, or something like that, like, yeah, yeah, it's like, all right, we're done.
We're done.
Or for VP or something.
He's not serious.
He's just a part of the regime.
But when he announced JD Vance, that's when I was like, okay, that's different.
And all the right people hated it.
Well, and even James Lindsay's tweet that you shared or posted about.
Oh, that was beautiful.
Such an encouragement.
It's great.
Yeah, James Lindsay came out and said, people have asked whether or not I have any influence in DC.
And he said, well, indirectly, of course, everything's downstream of me because I'm brilliant.
And they got all the records.
Which means none.
Which means none.
And he said, but directly, no, zero.
He said, I've been completely boxed out.
I've been completely boxed out.
And the reason why, of course, is because he has literally spent the last two years counter signaling Christians.
Right.
Like, what do you expect?
Of course, you've been boxed out.
You spent two years saying that Christian nationalists are a one to one ratio with Hitler.
And so, yeah, you.
But my point is, that's exciting.
Every single neocon, from James Lindsay to Russell Moore to David French to Mike Pence to like Nikki Hayley, Every single neocon you can possibly imagine is furious and says, We're not with Trump.
And I think you just, at a certain point, you have to pick a lane, right?
So it's either, you know, Trump is just, you know, he's just controlled opposition.
He's a part of the deep state.
He's the regime, too.
You know, you can say that.
That's fine.
But then you have to say, and Nikki Haley, that's my girl, right?
So, like, seriously, you have to be consistent.
So you have to say, Trump is controlled opposition.
I'm an enlightened one.
I'm a Gnostic, enlightened person.
I spent four hours on 4chan yesterday.
I'm better than you and smarter than you.
And I know what's really going on.
And so I'm really, I'm not happy about Trump.
You guys are sycophants, you know, and I actually hate Trump.
And then you just have to admit, like, I hate Trump.
And who are my colleagues?
David French and Russell Moore and Nikki Haley and Mike Pence.
And like, because if you're right and Trump is just the deep state and he's controlled opposition, then why does all of the deep state hate that he's the president?
Now, I'm not saying that Trump is some robust Christian, but he is outside of the regime.
Can he still be wrong about things?
Could he get it wrong?
Sure.
Could he become corrupted?
Sure.
But Trump is the first, it feels like he's the first president that we've had in my lifetime that wasn't supposed to be president, that wasn't a part of the scheme.
You know, and I think that's encouraging.
So, anyways, his appointments, all of them have angered the right people.
And then with all of his executive orders, it's just been like he's just firing nonstop, just boom, boom, boom.
And I think that's what you have to do is we like the left has to be absolutely overwhelmed.
They have to be crushed, absolutely crushed.
It has to become to the point where they feel they're just overwhelmed by despair.
They have zero hope and they just lose the will to even try.
Right.
You have to crush them.
And by God's grace, I hope that we have Trump for four years, and then I hope we have Vance for eight years.
And I hope 12 years from now that it's just, yeah, like they've completely been demoralized.
So I feel encouraged.
Yep.
Good question here from Tatonic Texan Is it a sin to fund evil or local state government with public schools promoting degeneracy, et cetera?
I know about Caesar's money, but if you can move to another state or county, we have options.
That's a tough one.
I wrote a book on this.
Fight by flight.
Yeah, there's a lot of reasons to move.
Where you live matters.
But there are a million different caveats and disclaimers.
You have me, mom, and papa, and they are on their last leg and have medical care in California, and you can't abandon them.
So, I mean, we have familial obligations.
There are lots of different.
You know, all things being equal, that was the point that I was trying to make in the book, right?
So, let's say you've got it, you know, you live in California, you've got a good church, um, and family there, but let's say that you could move to Texas and you would have a good church and your family would move with you, okay?
So, all things being equal in that scenario, yes, you should move to Texas, um, absolutely.
And it's like, well, but what about evangelism?
Um, the harvest is on the right.
There's unsaved people in my town, believe it or not, there's unsaved people in Texas, plenty of them, um, and but here's the difference the unsaved people in Texas.
Will give you the time of day.
Right.
They'll give you the time of day.
Jesus talks about shaking the dust off of your feet if a town doesn't receive you.
Like, what do you call a geographic region where everybody gathers together intentionally out of a desire to hate Christ and not listen to the church?
You call it California.
That's, you know, like, to his point about tax dollars, state funds are used to fund abortion.
So, practically dollars and cents, you really contributed at some level to the death of children.
And then, you know, part of the argument that I made at an election.
Electoral level back in 2020, now I definitely think there was a, you know, the election at minimum was rigged and at maximum was stolen.
But even apart from that, one of the arguments that I made was that if you looked at the electoral college, I think it was less than 50,000 folks.
I think it was less than 70.
Less than 70.
Okay.
At some point, I think Steve Day said like 47 or something.
I think those were in different, yeah.
It depends which of the states.
So there were like seven swing states, you know, that were contested that ended up going for Biden if just four of them had gone for Trump.
I forget.
I think it was like, Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, something like that.
Those kind of states.
And then you look at the margins, the popular vote in each of those states and the margins that Biden won by, allegedly.
And then you add all of them up.
So he won by whatever, 80,000 here and 20,000 there.
And you added it all up, and it's definitely under 100.
I know that.
It's somewhere between like 45,000 to 75,000 combined between four states.
And meaning that if Trump had gotten that many more votes plus one in each of those four states, let's just split the difference and call it 60.
If Trump had gotten 60,000 more votes total between those four states, Wisconsin, Nevada, Arizona, and one, it wasn't Pennsylvania because that margin was bigger.
It was another one.
If that had happened, it might have been New Mexico.
If that had happened, then with 60,000 more votes, 60,000 plus.
You know, one in each state, 64,004 extra votes, then Trump would have been the president.
Now, in the province of God, I don't think we'd have the Trump we have today if he hadn't lost.
The wicked fell in their own trap.
Yeah, the wicked fell in their own trap.
So God's sovereign overall.
But that doesn't mean that we still shouldn't be wise and diligent and vigilant for the next time.
So, anyways, there's a lot of different arguments.
One is what you're funding, right?
If you're, you know, some states have a state tax, and you have to look and see, well, what does that state tax go towards funding?
Does my state tax fund Planned Parenthood?
Am I paying for abortion?
There are some states where you're paying for abortion, and then there are some states that you're not.
So, Trump just banned at the federal level your taxes going towards abortion.
That's great.
But if you're living in a blue state, you might still be paying for the murder of babies for mothers to fly into the state.
And for mothers of babies.
Not just paying for your own states, your own residents.
Citizens, yeah.
So, it's what am I funding?
And then it's also using your vote in national elections most wisely.
And so, anyway, so it's like, let's say 60,000 voters.
Well, in California alone, and I was one of them, I moved in December, so I cast my vote for Donald Trump in November from California.
But in California, there were 6 million votes for Trump, but 12 million for Biden, meaning that it wasn't even close.
There's no way California was going to go for Trump, but 6 million votes flushed down the toilet.
So you do the math, I said 60,000 between these four states, 6 million wasted in California for Trump.
So you're talking about 1%.
So if 1%.
Of Trump voters in California had moved out of the state to one of these four contested states, respectively, and cast their vote there.
Then you're talking about winning a national election.
You're talking about 13.
And a greater majority in the House and the Senate.
Yep.
You're talking about 13 service members in Afghanistan that would not have died.
You're talking about people's lives.
You're literally talking about people's lives.
It's life and death.
It is life and death.
So, to answer the question, all that being said, to answer the question, are you paying for baby murder?
Where you live answers that question.
Are you ensuring at the federal level with presidential elections that the left would secure a permanent advantage by getting their guys in, making the border non existent, and flooding our country with the third world?
So, whether it's voting, national elections, funding Planned Parenthood, and all these ways, and then also I would say evangelism at a spiritual level, are you preaching the gospel?
For the 200th time, to people who hate Christ and hate you and have told you that for the last five decades repetitively, the type of person that Jesus says, Do not cast pearls before swine, the type of town that Jesus says, Shake the dust off your feet.
Like, are you disobeying Jesus?
Are you actually deliberately disobeying Jesus at the evangelistic level?
Are you ensuring the left's national victories at the voting level?
And are you paying for the murder of babies?
At the funding level.
And people will listen to what I'm saying, and they'll say, that's hyperbolic language.
I don't appreciate that.
No, it's accurate language.
It's accurate language.
That is what it is.
Are you being a poor evangelist, funding baby murder, and ensuring that Democrats win the presidency?
And if you're doing that, you're staying in the state, no plans to move, then yes, you probably likely are in sin.
Yeah, that's right.
So there's that.
And then, like I said, if all things are equal.
So now let's look at the other side.
So those are the cons, and they're big.
Okay, on the other side, honor thy father and mother.
My mom and my dad, they cannot financially, they cannot in terms of their health leave.
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And they've only got, you know, maybe two to five years left of life.
And we feel an obligation to be here and not to abandon them, right?
So that can outweigh.
I'm underwater on my mortgage.
I'm underwater on my mortgage.
I need to wait for a few years.
I own a business here.
I own a business here and I need to, you know, figure something out and it takes time and I can't.
So there are other.
So there's the cons are funding baby murder, ensuring the left wins national elections and.
You know, evangelizing to Sodom and Gomorrah, so, you know, or Tyre and Sidon.
So that's the negative side.
Those are the cons.
The pros of staying in a blue state is the Bible has commands, but it has a lot of commands.
And there are other commands, obligations to family and providing for your own children.
And maybe you, you know, you have a business there, all those kind of things.
So it's weighing that.
So I'm not saying, and therefore it's just a blanket answer for every single person they have to move.
There are exceptions.
There are exceptions to the rule.
Military would be another one.
Like, if you're going to be in the Navy, you're going to live in California for a little bit, pretty much guaranteed.
So, there are exceptions.
But if you can afford to get out, and if you can afford to get out, that very soon within a year, 18 months, 24 months, you actually make more money and have a surplus living in a red state where your expenses are much lower and there's less regulation for starting a business and all this kind of stuff.
But initially, it does take money to get out.
And to start over and to build something new.
So, if you can get out financially, you can get out in terms of your family, your family can come with you, all those kinds of things, and you can move somewhere and get a job and be with family and have a Bible preaching church, then yes, in that scenario, yes, I believe you must do it.
And I think it's a sin not to do it.
But that doesn't mean it's a sin for everyone because not everyone has that opportunity.
That's good.
Yeah.
All right.
I think we're just about at the two hour mark here.
So, any last words?
No.
Michael, anything?
I'll just say, Neville, absolutely.
The U.S. not only should, it will, if it's going to become a Christian nation again, it will apologize to the world for exporting sodomy.
It will apologize to the Lord first.
It will apologize to its own people and it will apologize to the world.
That's a good point.
Well done, Neville.
The U.S. must apologize to the world for exporting sodomy.
That's, I mean, yeah, you think of if anyone causes one of these little ones to stumble, you think about children around the world that have been taught, not just our own children, but we have.
Uh, exported demonic ideology, manipulation, and uh, and deception to the children of the world.
Yeah, that's pretty.
Think about that just that comic strip that was funded in Brazil, a transgender comic strip.
Well, who reads comic strips?
Well, young people do, right?
And there's we funded an effort to convince the youth of Brazil to be inclined towards transgenderism.
I mean, that is a wicked, wicked thing, yeah, amen.
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Oh, that's right.
Heck off commie.
Yep.
John Doyle.
Yep.
One of our Catholic friends.
What?
That's right.
You have a friend who's a Catholic?
That's right.
I have a friend who's a Catholic.
I do.
And you know what?
Calvin Robinson, we've got a lot of grief, but technically, he's not really even, you know, Catholic anymore because he got kicked out.
That's right.
That's right.
He's not a priest anywhere.
Problem solved.
Right.
So he went for, you know, everybody was concerned about him being the Catholic, but turns out he's just a Nazi.
Right.
That's what he got kicked out for.
He was like, my heart goes out to you.
You know, yeah, yeah.
He was joking with, because Elon just did it.
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