Calvin Robinson and Right Response Ministries condemn England's grooming gangs, citing cases where victims faced police abuse and Anti-Social Behavior Orders while officials allegedly hid perpetrators' ethnicities to avoid racism accusations. They argue elites engineered a "Muslim takeover" through multiculturalism, contrasting this with their proposed policy requiring ten generations for incompatible immigrants to gain citizenship versus three for compatible nations. The discussion links Western decline to globalist ideologies, promotes the "Christ is King" conference, and asserts that reality will ultimately defeat gender ideology despite current political shifts involving figures like Andrew Tate. [Automatically generated summary]
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Allegedly, Asian men in Oldham, England.
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So, this is going to be one of the episodes that will not be appropriate for children.
We're going to talk about some heavy things going on.
And, yeah, just if you normally listen to or if you let your kids listen to some of our episodes, this is not going to be the one for them.
Yeah, most of our episodes, we try to make it something that's family friendly.
That doesn't necessarily mean that it's entertaining for a three year old, but.
Um, you know, our church is family integrated in our worship.
In other words, we believe convictionally that on the Lord's Day, families should worship together.
We don't want to send kids away outside of church to a separate room and call it children's church or whatever.
We don't think that's church.
We think church is something that's specifically defined by God, prescribed in the scriptures.
Um, a lot of churches, sadly, there's something it's not supplemental merely on a Wednesday night.
You know, you can make an argument for that, but it's a substitute for Sunday morning that the parents come.
And they drop their children off in not children's church, but if we're honest, it's a children's daycare, a children's childcare.
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We didn't raise our child to do this.
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Your child.
Spent the first 18 years of their life never attending church at all.
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And there are kids who literally go their whole lives, their whole childhood, Without ever seeing the sacrament of the Lord's Supper administered, without ever being with their family in Lord's Day worship.
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It's appropriate at least.
For young children.
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Setting The Stage For Commentary00:05:39
What's going on in England has to be talked about.
We need to apply a biblical Christian worldview.
But this does happen to be one of those topics that I would not preach at least as explicitly and clearly as we're going to talk about today on a Sunday morning from the pulpit in a family integrated church.
So, for those of you who are watching with your family, pick a different episode.
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But this is not a family friendly episode.
All right.
Yeah.
Well, what we want to do, we don't, we're not a news program.
We're not reporting on the news.
There are groups and podcasts and newspapers that are doing that.
So, we are trying to get to something about, you know, partway through the episode.
We want to offer commentary and a biblical perspective on it.
But in order to set the stage for that commentary, we do have to talk about what's going on and give some details because to just say there have been a series of rapes in England and then start talking about it from a Christian perspective, people would say, well, you guys are way overreacting.
Like, yeah, rape is bad, but you guys are way overreacting.
And so, Given that we want to kind of let the seriousness and the depth to which some of this is going on and being tolerated and promoted by the English legal system itself, I do want to take a few minutes here and kind of set some of the events.
Okay.
So actually, this was all started by a series of news stories right around the new year, January 1st, 2nd, 3rd, somewhere right around there, talking about how there had been a series of grooming gangs.
By Asian men.
And I've read a number of articles in newspapers from England, and they all said, We have to say Asian men, but when we do, we all know we're talking about Pakistani men.
Right.
So every time we say Asian men, if you're listening on Apple or Spotify and you're not watching it on X or YouTube or, you know, rightresponseministries.com or our app or anything like that, if it's not visual, just assume that every time we say Asian men, pretty much all three of us are doing the biggest quotation marks sign language with our hands that you can possibly.
Yeah.
Imagine because it's a joke.
Well, they are Asian, but like Wes said before the show, oh, Japanese are in England.
No, no, it is a particular age.
There's a lot of Japanese in England right now.
You know, they've comprised.
Terrible things.
There's a lot of screwing gangs doing terrible things.
No, that's not happening.
Wait.
So Elon Musk, I don't know how, but he got a hold of some of these stories and some of the graphic nature, which we're not even going to read some of the extremely graphic things on the show today.
But they just, they devastated him.
And the idea that there were gangs of men who had been victimizing, grooming, raping, taking advantage of, even killing in some cases young British white girls without consequence for the most part.
There have been some, but largely without consequence.
It just shocked and appalled him.
And if you guys remember, like one of the reasons he kind of went against woke was what happened to his son, the way his son was tranced.
Rick Savior or something, I think was his name.
Yep.
And so for him, this actually kind of follows a pattern for him.
He sees, okay, wait, we're doing what to kids in England now?
And so he tweeted out some tweets about this.
And it's interesting that the prime minister of England has separated himself from those tweets.
He's said, you know, that's inflammatory and unnecessary.
But the tweets, because he's the richest man in the world, has the biggest platform in the world, they have set off a firestorm in the media and in social commentary.
What is interesting to me is that what's going on in Oldham.
Is not just part of a larger pattern in England.
It's actually part of a larger pattern in Europe.
I don't know if you guys remember, but back in 2016, there were all the sexual assault and abuse cases that happened on New Year's Eve, 2015 to 2016.
This was in Cologne.
And later in Berlin, there were similar outbreaks of Muslim men gang violence and sexual assault against women.
And it happened in Sweden too.
And if you guys know who Tim Poole is, he actually got his notoriety because he went to Sweden.
And he talked to people on the ground.
And they said, We are not allowed to publicly talk about the fact that this is going.
We'll get in trouble.
The media has been cut off from this, but there is a rash of sexual violence by the, I think there it was more the Somali refugees that Sweden had brought in.
And so this is actually part of something that's going on in a lot of Christian or formerly Christian Europe.
And Elon Musk poked the bear today with a particular tweet about the statistics and the numbers in Europe.
So we're going to show this tweet that he posted earlier today.
I guess he retweeted it.
The original tweet said Studies show that men from non European origin commit 84% of assault rapes despite only making up around 10% of the population.
An Algerian is 122 times more likely to commit aggravated rape than a Swede, and an Afghan is 69 times more likely.
122 times more likely.
84% is committed of these atrocious crimes.
Retweets And Rape Statistics00:13:17
Is being committed by 10%.
Well, and maybe half, although I think there are more men who have immigrated than women.
But if you assume like maybe 6% of the Muslim population is men and 4% women or something like that, like it's even more disproportionate than the 10%.
Yeah, that's a great point.
It's predominantly the men that are doing this, if not almost exclusively.
So then that 10% gets knocked down to 5% or 6%, which means that in terms of multiples, Your 122 times becomes like 140 times, you know, your 69 times becomes like 140 times.
That's absurd.
And you're not allowed to talk about these things.
But if you have a section, a relatively small subset of the population that is endangering everyone else at a horrific, atrocious degree and level, then as civil magistrates, civil fathers, if you look at, you know, like, The Puritans, Thomas Watson, and different guys like that, you know, talk about even in the fifth commandment to honor thy father.
There are different kinds of fathers.
There are ancient fathers, like we would honor, you know, Augustine.
We would honor Constantine.
We would honor Athanasius, you know, Origen, Irenaeus.
Like there are multiple, you know, ancient fathers that we honor.
But then there are spiritual fathers, ecclesiastical fathers, even to this day.
You know, think of your pastor, you know, you think of those who are ordained officers in the ecclesiastical realm.
And then there are familial fathers, like your literal father and mother in the fifth commandment that's explicit.
But then there are also not just ancient or spiritual or familial, but there are civil fathers that should be honored as well.
And you look at Stephen Wolfe's conception of the Christian prince and then our American scheme, our political scheme that we prefer.
We're Americans, we think it's good.
Much of our founding, there are problems, but much of our founding we view positively.
Then if the Christian prince scares you, well, then just add an ES at the end Christian princes, that there would be more.
It wouldn't just be a monarch, but there would be multiple Christian princes.
But you look at, again, back to Thomas Watson in his late great Puritan, his work, The Ten Commandments, on the fifth commandment with civil fathers.
He says, he describes them using some of the language that the Apostle Paul uses in sacred scripture and talks about nursing fathers, that they really have a fatherly role to protect their citizens.
It's not H 1B.
It's for their nation, they're obligated to their nation, and that means they're obligated to the people that make up their nation, that place, that people.
That obligation towards their nation, America first, if we use our country, does not mean that America is likened to a sports ball team and that America needs to win the next global championship.
And it doesn't matter if Americans actually get any game time.
We can actually bench all the Americans, AKA unemploy them, and we can go ahead and substitute in, transfer in a bunch of Hindus, just so long as America wins the race for AI or wins the race for going to Mars or wins, as long as the team wins.
No, no, America first means Americans first.
That's what it should mean.
If that's not what it means, that's totally fine.
You're just wrong.
It should mean the people of this country.
And so that's the duty of civil fathers to their people.
And if native Englishmen, if native Brits who can track their ancestry to that piece of land for a thousand years plus, are being, their daughters are literally being ravaged by a small subset of the population that has been there for less than a century, in some cases, For 15 minutes, some Somalians and things like that,
then what you do is you round them up and you deport them.
And the ones who've committed crimes, you go even further.
You're going to be surprised by.
Woo, Michael's going to be based today.
No, this has been attempted, actually, in some cases.
Oh, wow.
Yep.
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Okay.
So in England specifically, the population of the Muslim population is about 6.3%.
Actually, Pakistanis have been immigrating to England since the 1930s.
So it's not just in the last 10 or 15 years, but the number and the different regions, Somalia, North Africa, Pakistan, that has increased quite a bit over the last couple of decades.
At bare minimum, what we can say, and this is just the convictions, That we know of.
But over the last decades, there's been a minimum of about 2,000 underage girls, some very young.
I mean, we're talking five years old.
Wow.
That have been groomed, trafficked, and even killed, predominantly throughout northern and central England.
And the number's probably much higher than that.
These are just the ones that they've managed to have convictions on.
And then the percentage is the same.
The convictions, the vast majority of the perpetrators of this have been Pakistani Somali and North African Muslim men, it's 84%.
Even the ones that are white are part of a gang that's run by these Asian men.
So even the ones that are, well, they fall outside of that.
Yes.
Have been influenced.
It's like sending your kids to public school and your kids end up doing some bad things, but part of it is their influence.
So, in every single level, like if you add that, I wonder, like with the 16%, the other side of the 84% that is part of the native population, I wonder how much lower that number would get without the influence of these foreign people who are committing atrocious crimes.
Basically, what we're saying is it sounds like if it wasn't for this foreign influence and the Trojan horse of DEI and don't be a racist, you know, and like you could almost eradicate, like virtually eradicate the entirety of these horrific crimes, which are happening.
It's not just happening to the British, you know, heads of households, you know, like grown men in their 40s and 50s, you know, who are the penalty is that they're taking a pay cut, you know, or being overlooked for the next promotion.
But you're talking, literally, the equation is this simple in my mind.
You guys correct me if I'm being hyperbolic, but it seems as though the equation is older Brits.
Have a very clear choice.
It's you can either be called racist by strangers who hate you and preserve your daughters, or you can offer your daughters up as a human sacrifice to foreigners and strangers who worship demon gods but meet your DEI quotas and be considered a tolerant person.
That's the headline of the story.
Well, on the foreigners piece, too, we've talked a little bit about high trust before.
That's exactly what you would expect those types of people.
They have no grounding in a place.
So I've said before, my grandma told me about growing up, and she's probably in her mid 70s.
So she's not really that old.
This is an America that existed within her lifetime.
But she would just go to the playground at school.
Nobody would have a second thought.
Go to the corner store.
And why didn't people do terrible things?
Why weren't kidnappings so prevalent?
Well, not necessarily probably because every single person was regenerate.
Probably a good majority of them actually were.
But even those that weren't regenerate, the mechanism that God has given to many people to help restrain the wickedness, even of unbelievers, is you take them and you put them in the same place and then, for generation upon generation upon generation, they do life together.
They attend the same schools, they build up shops together.
They do life.
And then, when you think about it, would you go to your local this just happened in England.
Local dance studio and I don't know, stab six young girls to death.
Well, of course not my.
My mom used to teach there.
I grew up with that teacher.
These girls are the cousins or the neighbors this this, that or the other.
You wouldn't do it because it would be subconsciously engraved into your own Conscience, your own mind, that to do that would be to do it to myself.
I think of Ephesians 5, and obviously that's specifically talking about the covenant bond of marriage.
And so that's a more potent bond.
That would be a higher degree.
So I'm going to argue from the greater, but give, I think, a same principle conception to the lesser.
Well, at the greater level, the covenant of marriage, which is stronger, I have a further obligation to my wife than I do my national fellow citizens.
But the language that's used there by the Apostle Paul underneath the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is that no one.
Harms or inflicts self harm on his own body, his own flesh, but rather nourishes his flesh.
And the view there is that the body is his wife, she is a very extension of himself that he wants to lend towards her flourishing because it's his own flourishing.
If she suffers, he suffers, that you're attached to one another.
But when you have these in group and out group dynamics and in group and out group preferences because you've invited the third world.
Into your country, and they haven't assimilated and they have no intention of assimilating, but you've done it in mass so that they actually, at a practical level, don't ever have to assimilate.
They can all just centralize and focus in one little tiny British town, and they never even need to learn how to speak English because they can just talk to one another and they can prefer one another.
Then they're not doing that to themselves, they're doing it to you.
And it's very much etched into their consciences of this there's us and them, us and them.
But But people don't degrade typically just by natural instincts because people are created in the image of God.
So, even apart, like Wes said, apart from regeneration, apart from a new heart by the work of the Spirit and regeneration, even fallen man, unregenerate man, but still made in the image of God, is like people are not naturally suicidal, right?
It's always a subset, a fraction of the population that would actually take their own life in a literal sense.
And it's not because you have to train people and do.
Years and years of counseling from the age of three to teach people why suicide would be bad and all these kinds of things.
It's instinctive.
Like when Jesus says, Love your neighbor as yourself, you know, a bunch of woke, you know, feminists, you know, in evangelical circles have said, See, the first law is to love yourself because you can't love your neighbor as yourself if you don't love yourself.
Jesus is not, he's not prescribing self love as a prerequisite to loving others.
He's assuming self love.
So he's not saying, Work on loving yourself more, therefore you can love others more.
No, Jesus is saying, Love your neighbor as yourself, assuming.
That it's built into human fabric that everybody, whether they're born again of the spirit or not, they all love themselves.
You love yourself every time you eat a meal.
You love yourself every time you breathe instead of holding your breath until you pass out.
We all instinctively love ourselves.
And so the husband wife dynamic, Ephesians 5, is just a further fleshing out of that, that the wife should be viewed as an extension of the husband's self, that she is the body.
And then you go further from that, the children.
And then you go further from that, the grandparents and the aunts and the uncles.
And eventually, you have a nation.
The likeliness.
We share history.
We share morals.
We share religion.
We share holidays.
Like that parade that the guy just drove the truck into.
People don't do that because it's like, wait, these are the people that I've shared everything with.
We live in the same land.
We remember the same history.
We go to the same movies.
We eat the same food.
Why would I do that to someone?
Share a main street.
Why would I do that to these people that are like me?
Patterns Of Depravity In Men00:09:11
Yeah.
Right.
My people.
Well, it's interesting because even the people investigating this, there have been investigations over time, but even the people investigating it, Do not want to live in reality.
So, I have a quote here from this was a number of years ago a guy who was investigating a rash of outbreak of some of these grooming gangs.
And his name is Haras Rafiq.
But nevertheless, he was investigating it.
And so, Nate, we'll do that first quote.
He said, This is at the end of the conclusion of the report.
He said, We didn't want there to be a pattern of people from our ethnic demographic carrying out these attacks.
But unfortunately, we were proven wrong.
Now, right as soon as he said that, He says, Mr. Afzal also warned gang grooming was not the most common form of child sexual abuse.
And it's like, okay, guys, they're actually, and it's true, on the books, there are more like just, you know, individual, like an abusive father, that sort of thing.
Like there's just more population of that.
And so the point is, this guy's like, we don't want there to be a particular type of person that's doing that.
And by the way, all those white people, like just by proportion of population, there are more sexual assaults that are not carried out by gangs of grooming.
And it's like nothing to see here.
And even if there was something to see here, this is not a big deal.
Right.
And it's like, well, no, this is a huge deal.
That's the same.
Here's why it matters.
It's the same as when we did our episode during June of last year, sodomy month.
And we gave the statistics and we drew the straight line from I'm gay to I'm a pedophile.
And saying, not a coincidence.
The statistics are exponentially higher for particularly gay men.
Scissor Sisters, not as much, but for gay men, sodomites, Real straight line.
It's a real gay line, but you get my point.
Real straight line from gay men to grooming children.
And what we were trying to say is perversion reaps perversion.
The scripture talks about sin.
You don't wake up in the morning.
Everybody is totally depraved, apart from salvation in Christ, which comes by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
So everybody's a sinner.
And even those who are saved with new hearts, we still.
The power of sin is broken, the penalty of sin is paid, but the presence of sin still remains until the next life when we see him, 1 John, we will be like him, for we shall be as he is, sinless as Christ is sinless.
However, in the meantime, everybody's a sinner, and the unregenerate are totally depraved sinners, but total depravity is distinct from utter depravity.
You can be totally depraved, and yet still, when it comes to at the level of the heart, inwardly, total depravity, but outwardly, in terms of physical depravity, External manifestations of sin, you can still be restrained in those outward expressions of sin because of fear.
And that's a good and biblical principle.
That's what Romans 13 is all about that the civil magistrate does not bear the sword in vain and that it keeps people in check, that even the unregenerate, totally depraved individual thinks to himself and says, You know, like, I mean, there are people right now who I get death threats, but by God's grace, this could change.
It's only the grace of God protecting me and my family.
But by God's grace, nobody's ever acted on it.
Do you know why?
Because they would probably go to jail.
And so there are terrible people who hate me, hate my children, threaten my children, who have never acted upon it in large part because fear of the sword, fear of the sword that it actually restrains.
And so my point in all of that is that there's a straight line from the LGBTQ, and you got to ask, what's the plus represent?
Pedophiles, that's what it represents.
There's a straight line from that.
To child grooming and horrific acts of being sexual predators.
Now, you can't draw that with race and say there's a logical progression of sin straight line, but you can see patterns.
And my point in that is it's one thing, right?
Like these days, everybody's really worried about not being anti Semitic or whatever.
And this episode is not about that, so I don't want to get into that.
We've done plenty on it, and I'm sure we'll do plenty more in the future.
But I will say this, you know, noticing has become all the rage these days.
Noticing, noticing.
And for those who are, you know, their greatest fear in the world is being called anti Semitic, then they're very anti noticing.
Well, it sounds like that's precisely where this British prime minister is.
It's exactly the same.
Right.
So it's one thing to where you always try to make something a pattern.
John Harris did a good job talking about, you know, the dangers of ideology.
Ideology, part of the dangers of ideology, and you can have Christian ideology, is it's like.
You just learned about Calvinism.
So now everything's a nail.
Everything is the tulip.
Everything's, you know, about, you know, unconditional election or limited atonement or whatever.
And it's like, oh, that's Calvinism.
That's Calvinism, or you just became patriarchal.
And so everything is a problem of feminism.
And that's absurd.
I would say only 99% of things are related to feminism.
I'm a moderate.
Exactly.
I'm a reasonable, moderate person.
Or then you get J-pilled on the whole Jewish question or whatever.
And you're like, it's always the Jewish cabal, every single time.
And you can track everything back.
And so there are problems with being ideological.
And one of the, in my opinion, one of the incentives.
Toward that frame of mind is because it's easy.
It's easy.
It's easy.
Seriously.
You know what's hard?
Reading old, long books.
Old, doing the reading, as they say.
Doing the reading is hard.
You know what's easy?
4chan.
You know what's easy?
Just being on X all day and getting J-pilled by whoever and then saying, oh, I've figured out the secrets all day.
And I've also figured out the true test of orthodoxy.
How do I know if somebody's a false teacher or if they're faithful?
How do I know if somebody's actually a Christian?
Or not?
Well, it all depends on what they say about the Jews.
And so, and you boil, it's this redacted oversimplification in reality.
And it's like, well, why?
Why is that person?
Well, I can tell you why.
It's because you haven't done the reading.
The reason why is because reading Bovink's systematic theology is a lot more difficult than spending an afternoon on 4chan.
And so, my point is there are patterns.
There are patterns.
We don't want to be, say that this one pattern is the master key.
That's what guys try to do.
They try to take one doctrine, post millennialism.
I've done that.
They try to take one doctrine, like Calvinism.
I did that too, did my Calvinism cage stage.
So, one doctrine, or they try to take one pattern, the Jews, you know, whatever, and they try to make it the master key in order to compensate for their lack of knowledge in all these other realms that also matter because it's actually a multivariate situation.
However, on the flip side, There are a lot of guys, good Christian brothers that we love, who I think are dead wrong and choosing to be part of the problem by saying that we basically, it's one thing to go look for a pattern when there's not and try to force the square peg in the circle hole and say there is a pattern when there's not.
But it's another problem when there are clear patterns that you will not allow yourself to recognize, when the pattern is there and you refuse to see it.
And that can be with the month of June and.
And gay men adopting children, and the incredibly high statistical likelihood of what happens when gay men adopt children.
And you just refuse to see that pattern.
And it can be equally devastating when you refuse to see a pattern of importing Pakistanis by the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, into a country that is largely incompatible with their faith, their religion, their culture.
And.
And then just setting them loose on the native population of young girls.
There's a pattern there also.
The thing we talked about it before, too, this would be mostly more refugees from Africa, but some from Pakistan.
There's not conceptions in these cultures and in these languages of reciprocity and consent, which is a little bit of an egalitarian framing, but of sexual consent.
It was probably about six months ago now, but there's these Africans and they're being interviewed.
And it's like, well, what if the woman doesn't want to be molested?
They couldn't fathom it.
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Wait, that's what you just do.
I've read stories about these NGOs and these aid workers that go in and they're like, it's just commonplace that boys just, if they want to have sex with someone in public, they just do it.
So, you have people that don't even have a concept of, hey, this person might not want this.
How could you?
What would you think would happen?
Like, how blind does someone have to be to think you could take all of these people and you can put them in there and the soil will change all of that, that they'll suddenly understand Western values around sex and consent and all of that.
It'll just be magically imparted to them.
Of course, it won't.
It couldn't possibly be.
Well, there was one case in particular in England where the guy went to trial.
They had evidence against him.
And when he got up on the stand, he said, I've never been taught this is wrong.
And the judge goes, Oh, okay.
Well, we're going to let you go.
But now you know it's wrong.
Don't do it anymore.
Crazy.
All right.
So, Michael has planned a lot for this episode.
There's a lot of quotes that we want to get to.
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What I want to do now is spend a few minutes and go through a couple of specific places and times where this has happened in England, where the grooming gangs, because throughout the history of the last couple of decades, it does make it into the press occasionally that this is going on.
It flares up a little bit like a grease fire and it gets put out immediately.
So I want to show a map, first of all, of England and some of the towns where this has been most prominently happening.
Since the mid 1990s.
Okay.
So Rochdale, Rotherham, Oldham, and then I can't read the orange.
I should have used a different color.
But anyway.
Petersburg?
Petersburg.
Yep.
Okay.
Now, Nate, show the next slide, please.
So that green band across the middle in the north, that mostly lines up with towns.
The maps are slightly different scale, but Rochdale, Rotherham, Oldham, Petersburg.
Now, there's a big.
Green population up there, and the green is where Muslims have settled in England, and then around London also.
But what's interesting, not interesting, what's tragic is these cities in northern and central England, where there have been the worst abuses.
Actually, you would think, well, why isn't it happening more around London?
There's lots of Muslims settled in London.
Well, what they have found actually is the houses and the centers, and it's so deep.
Like there's taxi drivers in on it, and there's real estate agents in on it.
And so they know when a house is vacant.
For a long period of time.
And so they'll just go into these vacant houses and then they'll put out ads or not public ads, but they'll put the word out.
And Muslim men from London are driving up to these towns.
And so it's publicly somehow advertised.
They're being paid.
And there's like a whole network of it.
It's, well, as I'm going to share a story here in a minute, you'll see how deep some of this network goes.
But I note too, like Rotterdam, I looked at some of the demographics, like an 85% white, 80% Christian town.
Yep.
So you have a town that's European, white, Christian.
And targeted like all of these towns are probably small rural towns of people that go back a long time.
One of those regions where my family's from, back 800 years ago, that have lived there, loved it, raised their children, and just exported out these wicked people.
And that's what, like, that it's a particularly Christian town.
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That's what makes me think it's not just when you think of motives, like, why?
When you think, why do the wicked do what the wicked do?
I refuse to believe that it's merely, I think it's this.
It's not less than this, but it's more than this.
I don't think it's merely sadistic sexual pleasure.
I think it's also to demoralize Christian Westerners, it's to demoralize Christian nations, to defeat them.
I was going to say this later, but it fits in now.
And this is the warning for if you have kids, this is just not the episode to listen to.
Yeah, you shouldn't be.
Yeah, they should have.
We were clear.
They should have.
This is your warning.
But there's no such thing, Douglas Wilson actually makes this point, as egalitarian sex.
All sex is patriarchal because there's one party that penetrates, plants, conquers, and a party that receives, submits, and accepts.
So the individual sex actors, there's always a patriarch, there's the man, the authority, and then.
Submission.
Sometimes, obviously, when that's turned up, there's a man on the receiving end.
You get the points.
That's all sex is patriarchal.
So then take it out, but expand it and think okay, so you have women, and who's coming in and doing the conquering, the plundering, the ravishing?
Foreigners are coming in and do that.
That is a weapon of psychological demoralization.
The Red Army, the Bolsheviks, towards the end of World War II, they raped two million German women on the Eastern Front as they drove towards Berlin.
It has always been a weapon.
Against a people that you are attempting to conquer to ravage their wives, their children, their daughters, to penetrate, to conquer, to plant, to make them bear your sons, and then parade it in front of you.
We conquered you.
We did this.
But you were taught, like in the public school system, just like me, like we were taught about the Bolsheviks, right?
Oh, absolutely.
Like I heard very little about Nazis growing up.
I didn't even really know about the Third Reich.
I was never taught about that.
Like Hollywood never produces a movie, you know, about Nazis.
But we were thoroughly taught about the Bolsheviks, right?
Right.
JK.
All right.
Michael.
This actually goes back to the 90s, but even in the 1970s, this was starting to happen.
And so there have been news stories that go all the way back where vulnerable girls living in Shropshire and Telford were easy prey.
It's exactly what you say, Wes, where they were small Christian towns with high trust.
And so it was in these towns that some of these gangs started to go in and where people weren't necessarily worried about their daughters running down to the park, things like that.
It actually goes back to the 70s, but in the 90s and the 2000s, it escalated quickly.
So in Rotherham, there was an inquiry, which is British for an investigation, where they have found that more than 1,400 victims of grooming and sexual exploitation were taken advantage of between 1997 and 2013.
And guys, when we say victimization, I mean, we mean they were trafficked, they were passed around multiple, you know, as bad as you can imagine.
Okay.
So these are all euphemisms.
So 1,400 of them just in Rotherham.
Just in Rotherham from 1997 to 2013.
Which is a town, I want to say, obviously it grew during that time, about 90 to 100,000 people.
It's about 200,000 now.
This is London.
This is not Austin, Texas.
This is a town smaller than Georgetown.
Again, majority white, majority Christian.
And you would have, I'm not going to parse all out, but that's one in three, one in five girls that would have been most certainly targeted, attempted, and many successfully.
One in three or one in five?
There's a couple different ways you could parse it out.
You know, like every family, if you assume equality, equal part, girls and boys, the size of the population, how many of them were immigrants, not.
But I've heard ranges of one in three would have been attempted to traffic, one in five, one in 10.
But it's an insane figure still.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Can you?
I just can't move past like the civil fathers have a duty to those citizens.
It's not just some sliver of the population, one in three or the conservative number being one in five.
Like the leaders of this town and then at the national level, like to not only not address the problem, But to actually turn around on the native citizens that you have an obligation to under God and to say that you're the problem by noticing.
And that makes you racist.
I mean, that's insane.
Well, in Oldham, there was a 2022 report, and it found that children in Oldham were failed by the agencies that were meant to protect them.
So, for instance, there was a 12 year old girl who was raped repeatedly by Asian men and went to the police station.
And to report it.
And what happened was, the report was taken.
She was escorted into a back room.
The people who were running this whole thing were part of the police department.
They had their way with her multiple times all night long, sent her on her way in the morning.
Her mom went to a public hearing, kind of like a city council hearing, and raised holy hell about this.
The next week or the next day, she was issued what they call in England an ASBO, which is an anti social behavior order.
It's like a restraining order, but from your ability to participate in public life in a particular town.
So the police were in on it.
She went to the public forum.
She raised a ruckus.
And then the social work legal system came in and they filed the ASVO against her.
And she was completely silenced from public life in that town.
I mean, like, that's why it's important to go through some of these details because it's like, what is going on?
ASBOs Against Public Protesters00:08:53
Where are the fathers?
Where are they?
Let me just say for a moment it's important, I think.
For Christians, as we seek to understand this, and especially Americans, if we don't want to see some of these things happen here, which, by the way, if you haven't registered for our conference, I strongly encourage you to do so.
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And this is one of the reasons why I invited Calvin Robinson, and everybody lost their mind, all the usual suspects on the reform side.
And I don't understand why.
I asked Calvin to come to specifically talk to lead an hour long session.
On teaching all of us how to pray through the rosary.
No, I did not invite him to speak on justification by faith alone.
We obviously disagree on that, and the gospel matters, and our disagreements matter.
I asked him to come to speak in a political and cultural sense, specifically on Trash World, as he, as a first eyewitness account, has witnessed this in his native land, England.
And now that he's in America, for him to share his observations and takeaways.
From witnessing firsthand Trash World and its total takeover of his native land of England, and to give us whatever insights he might have of how to stop it here in America.
That's why I invited Calvin to come because this episode is, and I feel like I wanted to bring up the conference because this episode, I think, is the perfect context to explain why we've invited him.
And I understand that he, I've seen, and I don't want to get into the weeds with this.
I think there's fine people on both sides, as Donald Trump would say, the Donald.
Find people on both sides.
But there are other groups, evangelical groups and ministries that have recently disinvited Calvin.
And just so that everybody knows, we are not going to be doing that.
We are not going to be canceling Calvin.
I will say that I was surprised.
He's Anglo Catholic.
I thought the dog in the tail, I thought that the Anglo part was the dog wagging the tail of the Catholic.
Turns out that the Catholic side is much more significant than I realized, kind of wagging the Anglo.
And at a personal doctrinal level, if we're talking about justification, these kinds of things, yeah, I have my strong disagreements.
Calvin Robinson recently called Calvin, John Calvin, a heretic.
A heretic, his own namesake.
Yeah, exactly.
Do I like that?
No, I think John Calvin is great.
And so obviously I disagree, but that's not why he was invited.
And so the invitation stands.
And also, we're just our ministry, we're not in the habit of canceling people.
We've received an immense amount of pressure.
And my response to those who have given us pressure is my typical response, which is respectfully pound sand.
So, we were talking about before the show, but England is practically the center of Christendom in the West.
They had an empire that spanned at the beginning of the 20th century across really pretty much the known world from India to Africa.
Our theology, the Puritans, the Westminster Confession, like it all originated from England.
Like that is the core and the heart of European Protestant Christianity in many ways, more so than Germany, more than France, more than some of these other nations.
And it happened there, and they're much farther off.
Much farther gone than we are.
So, what I want to say with this, so that's why we invited Calvin in this episode, I think, is case in point.
But furthermore, what I wanted to say for the English people, for any of our listeners who are native to England, I remember when I was first looking into some of these things and looking as an American, looking at my own country, but then also exploring Muslim takeover of England and France and other places in the European West, I remember my first inclination was.
Well, this is kind of like my position was kind of a, I think, a, it lacked, I think, the appropriate degree of sympathy.
It was kind of this is what you get.
You turned your back on Christ.
And that's true.
Like England has, it's an apostate nation.
It was a Christian nation.
It's very much an apostasy.
You can argue the same for America, but just even at a greater degree in the case of England and other European nations as well.
So that's true.
But I think it matters in terms of, Recognizing who is chiefly responsible for committing this apostasy.
Even when you look at Israel, it's not like anybody's off the hook.
Moral agency exists at an individual, personal level.
Everybody, when you stand before Christ on the final day, you can't say, you know, well, I had a bad, you know, my dad was an alcoholic or I wasn't raised in church or, you know, my governor, you know, was a libtard, you know, or what like.
No, were you obedient to the gospel of Jesus Christ or not?
Did you have faith in Jesus and obedience as an evidence of that faith or not?
So, that's in terms of salvation.
It's very much an individual basis.
But when you talk about temporal things at a national level, part of what makes this so tragic, and I think that we need to understand, is you know, I've heard it said in this house, we believe in elite theory.
And that was one of the major developments, I think, for myself in terms of political philosophy and also how it blends into my theological and doctrinal convictions over the last couple of years.
That's a more recent development for me.
But my point is, as it pertains to this issue in England, the English people never voted for this.
This is not the English citizens that they all got together with their sacred democracy and said, you know what?
We hate Christianity.
We hate Christ.
We hate our heritage.
We hate our native fellow neighbors and citizens.
And we want to give our country over to Islam.
And we put it on a ballot and we voted.
And there was a majority vote for that decision.
No, this is.
This is the leaders of England, the civil rulers of England, against the sentiment and the wishes and the will of the people of England, saying, No, we're doing this to you, whether you like it or not.
And that's been a big change for me.
And when I think of America and I think of, like, are there a bunch of Americans who don't go to church anymore and who live like reprobates and who are degenerate?
Yeah, absolutely.
Will they be responsible as it pertains to the salvific, eternal level as individuals who have to stand before Christ?
Yes, absolutely.
But when you look at the progression of nations that become Christian or move away from Christianity and apostatize, you look at Israel.
Each and every individual Israelite ultimately is responsible for their standing before God.
But the nation as a whole, the Bible puts the lion's share of the weight on kings.
If there was a bad king in Israel, things were bad, and the people, their hearts would turn from Christ.
If there was a good king in Israel, the people would follow suit.
So if you got Josiah and he's tearing down all the high places, Then the people, it may be by force at first, but the people eventually, the law is a tutor and it then shapes the hearts of the people.
And the law of God, as it's exacted and executed in a public fashion in the legal system of the people, begins to tutor and shape the hearts.
And it becomes the law becomes the more conducive backdrop.
The law doesn't save, but it provides the more conducive backdrop for the gospel and understanding the holy God and sinful man and the need for Christ.
And more people.
It provides a more conducive environment for salvation.
And so, whether it's Israel with a good king, or whether it's England, or whether it's America, it's not like a bunch of 1950s housewives in America, you know, were watching their black and white television sets and saying, We love Leave It to Beaver.
But what we, you just, I feel like what the show is missing is just a little bit more butt sex.
And if we could get that, and then Hollywood said, Well, you know, we're a Christian outfit here in Hollywood, and we really don't like it, but, you know, the bottom line needs to go up.
And so, I guess, you know, we'll appease our constituents, you know, and for, The sake of the market, you know, I guess we'll give the people what they want.
No, that's not what happened.
In America, yeah, we're filled with a bunch of degenerates.
But it was designed.
It was designed by leaders.
It was planned.
It wasn't just that the population with our sacred democracy voted for apostasy towards Christ.
Multiculturalism And Job Struggles00:15:11
No, leaders made that decision for their various motives and incentives and reasons.
And then they put that on the population.
They did it through Hollywood.
They did it through media.
They did it through medicine.
They did it through hip hop.
They did it through all these different things, through all these different systems.
Through policies and legislation and all these different systems.
And little by little, the people followed suit and became degraded.
And England, I think, is much the same.
My heart, what I'm saying is, my heart goes out to the native citizens, not the leaders, but the citizens of England who never voted for this, never wished this upon themselves, but were actually betrayed by their civil fathers who, under God, had an obligation to their native people.
And all in the name, if you know, I'm sure there were kickbacks and, and, um, you know, financial incentives and all these different things for the leaders at the top.
But if nothing else, if you think of motives, if nothing else, they did it simply to be viewed as politically correct.
Yep.
They sold out their own native people.
The daughters of England were given over to foreigners who worship demonic gods, um, by an elite class at the top.
And what did they get?
Simply the privilege of not being called racist.
Right.
It's remarkable because even some of the biological fathers, like who have gotten wind of what's going on, and they can't get an audience with the police, they can't get an audience with the civil magistrate.
They have, some of them, there are cases in England where some of them have tracked down their daughters and they have gone in and they found them while some of this stuff was going on.
And they have tried to rescue their daughters, and those men, those fathers, have been arrested.
For being a nuisance to the public decency or things like that, and pointing out salacious claims and things that will cast aspersion on minorities and things like that.
There was one girl who was a victim of this for years and years and years, and she didn't say anything for a long time.
And then finally, when she turned 20, she started coming out and doing appearances on conservative TV or radio shows, podcasts, things like that.
And she said that the first time she went on a show and talked about this, she had two policemen come by and she thought, oh, finally, like it worked.
I spoke out and now they're investigating it.
And they were there to ask her why she had the audacity to be spreading these sorts of messaging about minorities and things like that.
She wasn't formally charged with anything, but the investigation was into her, not into the allegations that she was making.
So it's utterly stunning and.
It beggars the imagination of how it could get this far.
So, unless you guys have anything else to say, now is a good time to transition into like, why?
Why is that such?
No one can talk about it.
No one can mention it.
No one can notice.
No one can anything.
In fact, you have to pretend the opposite.
I think there's a couple things to say here.
One, and I don't really want this to be the episode.
We could do a show on Islam if we wanted, but there is an argument to be made, and Wes, you made it earlier, that.
The Muslim religion, in a lot of ways, especially when dealing with quote unquote conquered nations and sinful, wicked, pagan nations in their mind, the Quran offers a lot of leeway for sexual degeneracy and sexual violence.
I even saw today on Twitter someone who was trying to defend what's going on saying, well, Muhammad said that the Quran only applies to people in civilized societies, right?
It doesn't apply.
We don't have to treat other nations the way we would treat our.
Obedient, godly Muslim societies.
And so there is a sense where when you're out among the sinners and the pagans, from their perspective, there is a lot of toleration for this sort of violence.
What's that?
The infidel.
The infidel, yep.
And the Quran even says, you know, if you're out among the infidel and a woman doesn't cover herself like all the way to her toes, she actually is inviting sexual aggression towards her.
And so I'm, you know, I'm certainly, we could learn some things about modesty from.
From some of the Muslim countries.
But the point is, when a Muslim is out among the infidel, any sort of not being covered head to toe is an invitation and a permission to engage in this sort of sexual violence and deviancy.
And so there can be a lot that's said, but I think that at the bottom, we have to understand this is not just people coming into our country who see the same world as us, but they can't just quite get a job.
They couldn't quite connect.
And so they're kind of social rejects.
And so they're acting out of.
Some sort of like, oh, I just am not fitting in.
Like, these are conflicting, clashing, utterly different worldviews that are colliding.
And frankly, the Christian one is the one that's weak.
No, it's the one that's bending over and taking it, right?
But we have to acknowledge that there is a worldview, cultural, even like the country that you're from, the norms and the things that are acceptable and tolerable.
They don't just get to, you don't just get to put them in the same room together, the same country together.
And expect that there's going to be peace and harmony.
And that is such a lie.
And I don't know why it's taken Western society so long.
England's not waking up.
I saw someone in one of the very first comments who he said, I live in England.
Just today, there was a resolution in the parliament.
It failed.
There's going to be no public inquiry into the things that are going on with the Asian grooming gangs.
I saw another MP.
She said something to the equivalent of yes, there's terrible things going on, but we can't begin to say that one group is more likely.
Than the other.
Yes, you can.
Ongoing now, still to this point, all of the data there in front of you.
One weird trick, you just close your eyes and pretend not to say it.
But part of it is this is how systemic it is in England.
The police are not allowed to write in reports physical descriptors of assailants.
And so actually, it might be true that when you look at the data, you can't make that determination.
Like they're not allowed to say, Pakistani man.
I had one study that I read, the guy went through, he said, It's literally impossible unless you go by the names and you assume that if they have a Muslim name, then they're Muslim or from Pakistan or something like that.
But he said, in some ways, it actually is true that they can't make these determinations because they're not allowed to report on people's ethnicity or race or country of origin or things like that.
It cannot be factored in because it's not allowed to be factored in.
And the point is, that didn't just happen in the last five years.
It wasn't like in 2017, a flurry of bills changed all these reporting standards.
And now, for the last five years, we can't do anything.
This has been decades and decades and decades.
And I think of Reagan here in the 70s in the United States, just on immigration, opening the floodgates, the Civil Rights Act and the Heart Cellar Immigration Act.
We're talking decades of this going on and now beginning to realize, like, oh, we let all these people in and this is not working.
They are not compatible.
The assaults, the violence, all of this, they're going through the roof.
And you can have buyer's remorse, but I'm pretty sure the third world is going to say, no take backs on this one.
Yeah.
I heard a doctor a couple of weeks ago talking about.
Neurological diseases, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, things like that.
And he said, the sad thing is, by the time that someone starts exhibiting signs or symptoms of Parkinson's or Alzheimer's, that means that 20 years ago, the damage actually started happening.
It's not like you can just take something now that you're having symptoms and it's going to fix it.
That was because 20 years ago, things started to go wrong and your body fought against it for a long time.
And now it's finally succumbing.
And in some ways, that's exactly what you're saying, Wes.
Multiculturalism, it started a long time ago.
And we're only now starting to see the fruits.
There was an insightful quote about multiculturalism.
We've talked about this a lot.
This won't be new, but he put it in a good way.
And he's an English writer.
So I thought there's hope some people in England are writing and thinking in this way.
So, Nate, let's go to the next quote there.
This is about multiculturalism.
He says, I have recently written in more depth about multiculturalism and how it is based on the idea that all cultures are equal.
In the worst examples of the doctrine of multiculturalism being applied, those convicted of serious crimes are excused because of their culture.
In one case in 2013, a Muslim man in Nottingham who raped an underage girl.
Was spared a prison term after the judge heard that the man had been taught.
Oh, I mentioned this earlier in an Islamic faith school that women are worthless.
Here, Islamic values are being used by a judge, an English judge, to no prison sentence, child rape.
This undermines the fundamental principle of one law for all.
And so, just the idea that multiculturalism has been brewing and you reap what you sow.
I mean, like we have compassion and we fear for our own nation, but also we just have to be honest you reap what you sow.
And this is not going to go away overnight.
In England.
I like my point with elite theories just to say that the English people are reaping not necessarily what they sown, but what their leaders have sown.
Their leaders have sown bad seed, and the fruit is because it's the same here in America, same conceptually, lower degree, but Nancy Pelosi will be fine, right?
Like the Bidens will be fine.
The people who make these kinds of decisions live in gated communities, they have private security.
They're not.
They're not going to be on the unemployment line.
They're not going to be replaced economically with their job.
They're not going to be looted or stolen from or accosted.
For the most part, they're immune to these things because they live in lives of certain privileges and luxuries.
They are selling out their people.
They're not selling out themselves.
They're selling out their people.
And there's reasons to do it for political correctness, for the fear of man, the praise of man to be viewed as not being racist, to be viewed as.
Being, you know, virtue signaling.
And there's also economic incentives that, you know, you can import cheap labor, you know, so that, yeah, well, my own citizens, my own people can't afford a job anymore.
But I'm able to lower the bottom line, you know, and increase profit margins because this person from India will work for, you know, half of the salary that, you know, an American would expect to work for.
And then how do you get something like that?
You know, how do you push that across the finish line, you know?
Well, you use language like this.
You say, well, the problem is the Americans, you know, they just watch too much TV and they're lazy, right?
And, you know, and they played, you know, they played too much sports ball, you know, instead of taking violin lessons, you know, and they opted out of trigonometry, you know, and all these things.
And so they, you know, it's the American people, they're lazy.
And so we're doing, we're not doing this to get cheap labor.
We're not doing this because, you know, somebody from India will work for less money.
We're doing it because, you know, the next, you know, Einstein, we think is in India.
You know, and we just don't have Einstein material here in America.
And so we have to outsource, not for cheap labor, but for excellence, you know, to find our next virtuoso, to find our next savant, to find our next genius.
They're going to be somewhere else.
And so that's why we're doing it.
We can't get to Mars, you know, unless we have all the Hindus.
Because if there's anything that India is known for, it's building rockets, you know, and America, it's not like America's, you know, one of the only countries that's ever been to the moon.
You know, we can't, you know, we can't expect that.
So you can't expect American greatness.
Because Americans are just too lazy when it comes to academics.
And so we have to import people from around the world who have accomplished very little, but we'll look past that.
It's because of some other exterior explanatory power.
But really, they're great.
They're hardworking.
They have innovation and all these things.
And so my point is there's a lot of different narratives.
And the reason why I use that example is because, yes, I'm talking about Elon Musk, and yes, I'm talking about Vivek.
And the reason why is because I want to show that even among Conservatives, you know, alleged, you know, conservatives, it's still, they still haven't broken out of this mindset of multiculturalism.
They still haven't broken out of this idea of GDP must go up, you know, bottom line must go down, even if it means selling out the American people.
And even with that, there's, yes, there's a worldview, there's an ideology, religion plays a factor.
Elon Musk is not a Christian, Vivek is not a Christian.
So there's the religious factor, that's paramount, the spiritual implications.
But there is something to be said for race.
Uh, Vivek is Indian.
Um, and and and all of a sudden, you know, he's like diehard conservative and runs for president of the United States.
And and I, we did an episode where I said, um, uh, I he will not have my vote.
Um, he won't have my vote for the same reason.
Well, not exactly the same, but a similar reason, uh, for why Kamala won't have it.
Uh, one, first and foremost, is policy, uh, godless policies that are in direct opposition to the Bible, to the word of God.
But secondly, we've never had a woman president, and um, As far as it depends on me and whatever little bit of power that I have, by God's grace, we never will because it's not fitting for a woman to be president of the United States.
Likewise, not exactly the same, but in a similar conception, we've never had an Indian president.
And by God's grace, as far as it depends on me, we never will because this is not India.
This is America.
And that doesn't mean that I hate Vivek.
I like Vivek and I hope that he can serve our country well in some capacity.
But But at the end of the day, you can't.
People are innately bound.
They have an innate obligation to their people.
Elon Musk, same, same, he's white, but he's a foreigner.
He's a foreigner.
He's a South African foreigner, immigrant.
And so it turns out at the end of the day that, you know, Elon Musk, he said several times, like, we need to stop, you know, illegal immigration, but we need even more legal immigration.
Elon Musk is fine.
Nations Must Maintain Distinctions00:07:46
With if America in 50 years is no longer heritage America, he's fine if everybody's replaced.
As long as he can build his robots and build his rockets, he doesn't care because America is not actually his team.
He uses that analogy of nations as though they're sports teams and you can just do trades and transfers all day long.
And as long as you win the Super Bowl, then that's America first.
America first just means the American sports team wins.
The championship.
Well, one, that's a completely flawed way of thinking.
But number two, he doesn't care as long as he wins, as long as America wins according to his definition of winning.
He's totally fine if Americans, he's fine if America wins, even if it means Americans lose.
And why?
Because he's not truly an American, not in the true sense.
In biblical terms, this takes generations.
The general equity of the Old Testament, even in Israel, you weren't fully, you didn't have all the rights and privileges, especially as it pertained to worship.
And the temple and these kinds of things until the third generation.
And for some nations, because of atrocities that that nation had historically committed against the people of Israel and ultimately against their God, Yahweh, there are some nations that would not have full rights and privileges as an Israelite citizen until the 10th generation.
And I believe, as a general equity theonomist guy, I believe that that's perfectly applicable today to be able to say, you will not be a full citizen.
You can come here, you can work here, you can have certain visas and these kinds of things.
And even that has to be drastically mitigated.
But you can do that, but it won't be until the third generation, your grandchildren.
If you're coming from England, if you're coming from France, if you're coming from Canada, it won't be until the third generation that you'll be full citizens.
If you're coming from Somalia, we're going to take five, not thousand, not five Somalians in the year of our Lord, 2025.
And if you do well and you're law abiding citizens, but not actually citizens, but residents, Than the 10th generation.
You're great, great, great, great.
Because Somalia is not compatible with America.
And over time, generationally, eventually it could be.
Assimilation, I believe, is possible.
But it takes time.
This idea that people can just touch the magic soil of America and say the magical incantation, you know, and just, you know, have their first slice of apple pie and watch their first sports ball game, you know, the Super Bowl on their big screen TV, you know, in Texas.
And all of a sudden, they're American.
It doesn't work like that.
And here's the funny thing about it.
I remember Stephen Wolf talking about this on a panel that both of us were at on Christian nationalism.
But he said, you know, when people were levying the accusations against Wolf of being racist, one of his defenses is he said, well, here's the irony I don't believe in the superman, the white superman.
I don't believe that the white man can fix all the world's problems.
And because I don't believe that, I don't believe that all the world needs to come and live among the white man in order, you know, I don't think that the white man needs to export and that every single nation on earth needs to be an American colony or some kind of European colony.
And on the flip side, I also don't believe that by importing in all the Haitians and by them being able to rub shoulders with the white man, that they'll magically become different people.
He says, I reject the Superman mentality as it pertains to your.
You know, your Anglo Saxon or your WASP or whatever.
He said the conception, Stephen Wolfe's conception of Christian nationalism, is not that America is a Christian nation and everybody needs to be here or we need to export America everywhere else.
No, the conception of Christian nationalism is diametrically opposed to Christian globalism.
It's each individual nation needs to lay hold of Christ by grace through faith in Christ.
And then that nation needs to become.
On its own terms, with its own history, its own heritage, its own customs, its own culture, needs to become Christian.
Now, obviously, a pagan nation is going to have to uproot some of their culture and customs and these kinds of rituals, but some of it will be uprooted, removed, some of it will be redeemed.
That Haiti, Christianized, will look different than America, Christianized, and both over time, not 15 minutes, but centuries, and remaining in their respective parts of the world that God has assigned them by providence, Acts.
Chapter 17, God set the boundaries of nations and their timelines and these kinds of things.
Over time, both can be equally Christian.
And I believe that both can be relatively equally over time prosperous.
But when I say over time, I'm not talking about 15 minutes or 15 years or 50 years.
I'm talking about centuries.
That's the conception of Christian nationalism.
That's what we're advocating for.
That's the way God made the world.
And one of the things that I've learned in life is it's not beneficial to go against the grain if the grain, in this case, that you're talking about is the sovereign providential plan of God.
God made the world.
It's his world.
We function inside of it according to his rules.
And globalism goes against the rules.
It goes against God's rules for the world that he's made.
Multiculturalism, I believe, goes against the rules.
Yes, multicultural, if you're looking at different cultures in different nations spread across the world.
But multiculturalism in each nation is actually, here's the irony, it literally eradicates the revelation possibility of every tribe, tongue, and nation.
Every nation at that point becomes steamrolled into a one size fits all, this factory setting where Japan and America and Somalia and Canada and everywhere else, and the Sudan, and they all actually end up being this equal, egalitarian blend of every nationality that intermarries.
And over the course of centuries, every nation is the same.
They're all Christian.
Great.
We like that.
But they're also, it's not Christian America and Christian Somalia.
It's just, Christian globalism everywhere.
And if you do that, it doesn't even make sense of scripture.
The idea of on that final day in eternity that we would be worshiping before the throne of God, not with any animus, and we shouldn't have animus now, but not any sinful animus, unjustifiable animus, but on that final day that we would be worshiping before the Lamb and that that sea of saints would be comprised of every tribe, tongue, and nation, what that implies, what it asserts, is that God, in his providence and sovereignty,
Is going to maintain some distinction between the nations from now until the final return of Christ.
And for us to work against that is actually to work against the ultimate eschatological plan of God, in a sense.
And that's silly.
You know who red pilled me on that years ago?
Far right extremist John Piper on multiculturalism.
He said, Look, this actually means that there are distinct peoples, nations, tribes, and tongues.
So they can't all just be thrown in the blender and mixed together.
That was.
I think 10 years ago, I read that and I was like, oh, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Makes a lot of sense.
Reformed Views On Sojourners00:15:44
Let's go to our last commercial break.
And then, real quick before we do, though, Michael, set out the path for us for this final.
What are the big things you want to get to?
What we're going to do is I'm going to read just kind of a smattering of quotes that illustrate how scared people in England are of being called racist.
And then I want us to just maybe talk briefly about why or just drive the point home.
This is why we make such a big deal about some of these things here, because we are a couple steps behind them.
But still, that has been the cudgel that has been used to subdue the nation of England.
You speak out about this and you will be called racist.
Right.
And then I don't know, we can choose whether we kind of wrap things up or depending on how comments are or any other points you guys wanted to make just to apply this generally to Christian thought, the US, things like that.
Great.
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Also, I want to start building up towards this because it's happening in April, so we only have three months.
But also for those of you who are, you know, you live abroad, you're somewhere else.
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If you join as one of our gold members on Patreon, you will be able to live stream, as it's actually happening in real time, live stream every single session and every panel from our conference.
The conference is titled Christ is King.
Subtitle is How to Defeat Trash World.
It's happening April 3rd, 4th, and 5th.
That's a Thursday through a Saturday.
We're just three months away.
And so I already want to start plugging that.
Not only will you get the Israel series with Iskar, the Christian nationalism series with Wolf, but you'll also get the ability to live stream our conference, April 3rd, 4th, and 5th, again by simply becoming a Patreon member.
And then for those of you who actually can attend in person, these are the kinds of things that we're going to be addressing at this conference.
When we talk about defeating Trash World, there will be sessions that address the absolute vital need, the irreplaceable need of preaching.
The gospel.
Yeah, you're not going to defeat Trash World without the gospel.
Yes and amen.
But you're also not going to defeat Trash World by doing a Jesus juke and only preaching the gospel.
If an intruder shows up at my house, I don't preach the gospel to him.
I grab a gun and I shoot him in the chest, Lord willing, twice just to make sure.
The gospel, when my car breaks down, I don't go in the garage and preach the gospel to my car.
And so, yeah, we are going to, and I know that's foreign.
Some of you guys are having a really hard time with this because you're a part of the Reformed tribe, which we are as well.
We love the heritage of the Reformed faith.
That is our heritage.
And that is our doctrinal allegiance the Reformed Christian faith.
But I will admit that one of the weaknesses of our tribe is pietism and unstoppable, incessant Jesus juking.
And so the idea that we're having a conference that will talk about the gospel, that will preach the gospel, but will also do some other things.
We'll probably talk about Israel.
We may do a whole panel on it.
We're going to do a whole debate on natural law and theonomy with Reese and Wolf.
We're going to talk about multiculturalism.
We're going to talk about immigration.
We're going to talk about political philosophy.
We're going to talk about a lot of things at this conference.
And that's really, really hard for reformed folks to grapple with because they're like, you're holding a conference and it's not on the five solas.
You're telling me you're doing a conference and it's not on the sovereignty of God.
Wait, you're holding a conference and it's not the cessationism conference for the 15th time?
We like, does not compute.
We don't understand.
And I get it.
I get it.
Because for modern reformed folks, talking about something other than the five solas or the tulip or cessationism seems foreign.
But our reformed tradition, right?
Modern reformed guys, we adopted the soteriology of John Calvin.
Some of the Reform guys were real bold and even adopted some of the covenant theology and the ecclesiology of the Reformers, right?
That's real bold.
A little bit too bold for my taste as a Reformed Baptist, but they did.
But what we want to do is we actually, we're not graduating from the Reformed tradition.
We just want to embrace the whole Reformed tradition.
Calvin talked about politics.
Calvin was a political figurehead in Geneva.
This is another part of the Reformed tradition.
And we want to talk about those things as well.
And the reformers, guess what?
I know this one's real crazy, but they quoted Aristotle a lot.
Oh, calm down, Joel.
And even they even quoted that notorious Catholic Aquinas, right?
That's even worse than Aristotle.
That's pagan plus Catholic, you know?
They didn't quote him on justification, but they did quote him on some political philosophy, on some epistemology.
On different things like that.
And so this is going to be a full orbed.
How do you defeat the trash world?
Well, here's the short answer not easily.
That's how.
That's true.
Not easily.
Not a one size fits all.
It's not with ideology, not with oversimplifications.
How do you defeat the trash world?
Well, you have to start thinking in multiple categories.
You have to apply the Bible to every single realm of life.
You have to embrace the great Western tradition.
You have to, it's a tall order, in other words.
And that's why I've invited guys above my pay grade who have expertise in areas beyond my expertise to speak about things.
Because if it's just on the gospel, then you know what?
We'll have eight sessions and I'll do all of them.
I know how to preach the gospel, but it's not just going to be the gospel, nothing less than the gospel, but it will be more than the gospel.
And this is the kind of conference I think has been missing for 50 years in reform circles.
And so, yeah, I'm a little bit biased because I'm hosting the conference.
But I also think that, you know, we're doing it for a reason.
We think it's needed.
And so, yes, I am biased, but I think you should go right now and stop waiting, but go to rightresponseconference.com and register.
Go to rightresponseconference.com and register.
And if you can't afford it, email me at joel at rightresponse ministries.com.
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We will find a way.
To help you get there.
I'm talking, like, I'll just tell you, frankly, to the public right now, we'll cut half of the price off.
I'll cut more than half of the price off if it's a good cause and you can't afford it.
We want it to be full, right?
We went, right?
We sent out the messengers.
The king has sent out the messengers to the well to do and the pristine among the reformed tribes, and they rejected us.
And so now I will go to the highways and the byways so that the banquet will be full.
The banquet will be full, and if that means that I'm giving 75% off discounts to people who actually care and want to be there and don't want to see our country overwhelmed by Muslims, that actually want to see a Christian heritage maintained and preserved throughout the ages for our children's children, then yeah, we will find a way to help you get there.
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Blink of an eye, and we'll be there April 3rd, 4th, and 5th.
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This is our last commercial break.
And then Michael is going to line us out with some really important things that we haven't gotten to yet for this episode.
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Real quick, before I turn to Michael, I want to address this comment in the chat because my heart goes out to you, and there are many people in the same similar situation as you.
I have people in our church that fit this description, and I want you to know that I love you.
I am glad you're here, and I want to deal with our listeners, our followers, with honesty and integrity.
I feel like a lot of pastors will use, they'll just gloss over things.
Um, and so and so I want to deal with this honestly.
So, Ninja 5150 says this Joel, I know I'm probably the exception, but I'm a first generation immigrant from Mexico and I am as patriotic as they come.
My two sons, born in the USA, served our country honorably, and we love the USA.
So, Ninja 5150, uh, first, I'm assuming you're listening to this because you're a Christian.
So, first, you're my brother in Christ, I love you immensely.
Number two, um, From the little bit that I can tell from this comment, you're the type of person that I can genuinely say from the bottom of my heart, I'm glad you're here.
I'm grateful for your sons and their service.
And so here's my position If I had my way, you would be here, but you would not be a citizen.
Your sons would not be citizens.
Your grandchildren would.
And you would be treated fairly, as just like the general equity, the application of the civil codes to Israel, the sojourner should not be oppressed.
Or extorted, or taken advantage of.
You'd be treated fairly.
You would be able to have fair wages.
There would be less people that are able to fit into this category, less legal immigration on the whole, year by year, substantially less.
But people like you, Ninja 5150, there would be cases exactly like you.
And you would always be my brother in Christ, whether you immigrated here or not, simply by our union with Christ by the Spirit and through faith.
You, furthermore, would be not my fellow citizen, but in a looser sense, a fellow countryman who lives here.
You would be my neighbor and my particular neighbor in a geographic, literal sense, living in my country.
I would care for you, your wife, your children, your grandchildren, and want to see your best.
And yet, there would still be multiple categories and not just a one size fits all.
You would be a part of our country, but you would be a sojourner.
But a sojourner who, like Ruth, wants to bind herself to Israel, your God will be my God, your people will be my people, and your grandchildren would eventually be citizens and voting in our national elections and all these kinds of things.
You yourself would not be able to achieve in your lifetime, for yourself personally, that level of assimilation.
But you would be loved, you would be appreciated, there would be no animosity towards you, you would be treated with fairness, and you and other Christians like you who immigrated, it would be less amount for sure.
Christians Must Come As Believers00:15:00
For sure, millions have to go back.
They have to go back.
But some would be permitted to come, and we would be grateful that you were here and you would be loved.
That's my position.
I currently pastor a church where we have two families that are from Canada.
The same would apply for them.
They are, and they know this, and they've heard my preaching as it's come up in sermons because we preach all the way through the book of Ezra and the book of Joshua, and these kinds of topics come up.
And they know my position.
They listen to the podcast.
They know that they are, first and foremost, my brothers and sisters in Christ and deeply loved.
Secondly, they're also my neighbors at a national level, my national neighbors, because they live here.
They are residents of these United States of America.
I care for their well being.
I care for their marriage, their children, all these things at a pastoral level first, spiritually, but then at a national level because they are fellow residents.
But they know my position and they agree with it.
That's the thing.
They agree with it.
They get it.
They get that nations matter.
My position is that they would not be able to be full citizens and would not be able to vote in our elections, but that their grandchildren would and that it would take time to fully assimilate.
In the meantime, though, they would be loved.
They would be cherished.
They are loved.
They are cherished first at a spiritual level as brothers and sisters in Christ.
Secondly, at a national level as residents, fellow residents, but not yet citizens.
Now, I'm not king of America in God's providence, in His infinite wisdom.
He's seen that that not be the case.
I'm sure He made the right call.
And so I don't make the rules.
So, because that's not currently the law in America, I advocate that they pursue citizenship, that they actually do attain citizenship because that's the law of the land.
And I'd much rather them be citizens than a bunch of other people who.
Don't love Jesus, don't love America, and are just trying to exploit it as an economic zone.
And so, to those families in our church, this general equity of the Old Testament and the third generation, that's not the law of the land.
So, pursue citizenship, and I am praying that you get it.
I'm praying that you get it.
And for Ninja 5150, I assume that you're probably a citizen by this point.
Praise God.
But in terms of moving forward, there's always going to be a million exceptions.
And that's part of the problem with Western civilization every time we talk about a law, we talk about a principle, immediately what's talked about, what gets the spotlight in that conversation and ultimately becomes the case study that sets the law and the procedures is always the exception.
The footnote always is elevated to the headline, and then the headline is relegated to the footnote.
With every single law, we immediately You know, if you're talking about sodomy laws, immediately it's like, yeah, but what about the friendly gay couple that, you know, that does this and does that, you know?
Or if you're talking about blasphemy laws, you know, or blue laws, Sabbatarian laws, it's like, yeah, but what about, you know, this obscure example of so and so, you know, who, for whatever reason, you know, the only way that he can make a living is if he works seven days a week.
Look, we've done that.
We've done that for 80 years.
We, for 80 years, we have conceptualized and hypothesized the exception.
And by doing so, what we have done is no child left behind.
You know, we've done it in our education system, in our schools, in our laws, in our economy, at every single level.
We have elevated the exception at the expense of the norm.
And the cost of that is that the American people as a whole have suffered.
That's what we've done.
And we have traded in American excellence in order to bring ourselves down, lower ourselves to the lowest common denominator.
The entire West has done that.
Every European nation, America, Canada, we've all done that and we've done it for just about a century now, at least 50 years, arguably 80, arguably longer.
We have to stop doing that.
So I love you, brother in Christ.
Personally, I'm glad you're here.
If you lived here, I would want you to come be a member in our church.
We would treat you with fairness and love, just like we do all of the members of our church.
But if I was in charge, and as I use my platform to try to influence policy and culture and politics outside of myself and with our nation as a whole, I am going to advocate that immigration, illegal immigration, is immediately stopped, legal immigration is drastically mitigated.
And then for those who are able to legally immigrate, I want them to be Christian.
I want them to love America and love our heritage.
I want them to fully assimilate.
I would like to see people stop speaking Spanish and that nothing is written in any public square, in any public setting.
Nothing is written in Spanish.
What about the signs at HUB that say food stamps accepted here?
Yeah.
I saw that yesterday.
Yep.
Don't love it.
Number one, get rid of welfare.
So no food stamps.
Number two, if you got to have food stamps for a while and you're weaning the nation off of welfare as you're changing policies, yeah, it's written in English.
And if you can't read English, Go back.
Go back.
This is a whole country that speaks your language.
That's awesome for you.
This is America.
We are a Christian nation and we are an English nation.
And people can come, but they must come and be Christian.
They must want to be eventually American, or at least their children's children, that their family, their posterity would become American.
So they love the Lord Jesus Christ.
They also love American heritage and want to be grafted into it.
And part of that is a willingness and eagerness to fully assimilate.
Ruth does not track in on the Israelite carpet her Moabite mud.
No, she literally forsakes her people, not just her gods.
It's not just the religion, it's also the culture, the people, everything.
She says, not just your God will be my God, as she's talking to Naomi.
She says, your people will be my people.
And it's not saying your people will be my people along with.
My other people.
In addition to, no, it's a switch.
It's a trade.
It's a replacing.
So he's saying, I am abandoning the false pagan Moabite gods.
I'm also abandoning the Moabite people.
A hyphenated Israelite.
Yep.
I am not a Moab hyphenate Israelite.
No, there's no hyphen.
I am going to be an Israelite.
And out of that heart and that mindset, you have a messianic line that eventually produces the Christ.
You do not get that out of.
Out of Mexican American or whatever.
That story is very interesting because Naomi had two sons who died, and she told both of the wives, Ruth, one and Orpah, I think the second one, and she laid it out.
She said, Look, this is what it means.
And it's not that Orpah was saved or not, but it was in that moment, it was a perfectly acceptable decision for Orpah to say, You know what?
I'm going back to my people.
I'm going to my people.
I can't, like, I am a Moabitess.
Right.
I'm going to go with them.
In fact, it was unusual.
And for all we know, she could have gone back to her people without going back to her gods and said, she could have been regenerate.
She could have actually adopted Yahweh as her God by virtue of her marriage and that influence and all that kind of stuff, converted, and then said, I'm going back to my people without going back to my gods as a worshiper of Yahweh, and I'm going to work with my people so that my people might worship the true God.
And that's a perfectly legitimate and even praiseworthy decision.
Right.
Okay.
So, how did the.
The West gets to this point?
Well, we've mentioned it many times.
I'm going to read a couple quotes.
These are from newspapers in England as some of these investigations have come to light over the years.
So here's the next slide, Nate.
I think it's quote number three.
So, this was a report that came out after the Telford, a rash of grooming gangs in Telford, a town in England.
It says the report said that the majority of known perpetrators were of Pakistani heritage and that in some cases, get this, local officials and other agencies had been wary of identifying ethnic origins.
Why?
For fear of upsetting community cohesion or being seen as racist.
Now, I don't know about you, but I'm not sure that there's anything that would upset community cohesion more than.
Perpetually, methodically raping the daughters of the town.
But no, let's not label the perpetrators as Pakistanis for fear of upsetting cultural or community cohesion or us being labeled racists.
Right?
It has to be said almost every time you bring that word up, racist as a word did not exist 100 years ago.
It was a German Jewish man named Magnus Hirschfeld, who wrote a book called Racism 1938.
That's the first English usage you have in it.
This is not a historical term, this is not a long standing term.
It's a made up term by subversive people to be weaponized against people who love their own.
Right.
All right.
Next slide, Nate.
This is.
You have to reject the whole leftist framework.
Yep.
Go ahead.
England is no longer a majority Christian nation.
Only 46% of England is now Christian.
And I realize for some of our English brothers there, they're going to say, like, it's much lower than that.
We get it.
The Anglican church is a disaster.
But there's a political incentive now.
The minority population is so large in England that there's a political incentive for leaders not to wade into this.
So.
This was another report.
It says, when the grooming scandal hit the town, Jim Dobbin, MP, also told me not to link the issue to the Asian Muslim community because it would have an adverse electoral impact.
Here is more influence of Islam, influence our politics, and what MPs are prepared to say in public.
Many politicians have prioritized vote winning over speaking truthfully about these grooming gangs.
They have sacrificed young girls for their personal political ambitions.
Wow.
Then I have one more related to this whole fear of being called racist thing.
So, number five, in the 2000s, an Asian grooming gang was free to roam the streets and abuse young girls because police officers were told, get this, this is what they were told on record to find other ethnicities to investigate.
And a detective has claimed, it quotes him as saying, we had a massive input.
We had a massive input, was the offending target group were predominantly Asian males, and we were told to try to get other ethnicities.
So, when the police are being told, You cannot go after someone of X ethnicity because it will look bad, will get called racist, and will lose political campaigns.
This is what you end up with.
That's insane.
I want to cap it all off with a quote about multiculturalism from Tim Deep.
He's the same guy that I quoted earlier.
So, this is number six, Nate.
And this is just what we have to be upfront about as Christians.
Multiculturalism, he says, is an ideology that is fundamentally opposed to Christianity.
It cannot accept a transcendental source of morality and therefore resists accepting the reality of a creator God.
It considers missionary activity and attempts to morally reform cultures as immoral.
What we're really up against is an anti Christian, not just competing vision of the world.
Multiculturalism and the idea that all nations are the same, which we've hit on over and over and over again, is a non Christian, it's an antithetical worldview to the Christian worldview.
Hmm.
Because his point is, you can't, I agree with you.
If all cultures are equal, then the gospel actually has no business transforming a culture, right?
If England or if the US has been influenced by Christianity for decades and centuries and millennia, and that's not better, then what point is the gospel?
Right.
What's the point of having the gospel infiltrate and percolate through and transform, utterly transform our society?
If nothing is better and nothing is worse, then there's no reason to call people to a higher way of life that isn't aligned with God's law and Christ's grace and all of the rest.
Like even the whole missionary project that we love.
Is a product somewhat of the globalism, but even that whole under missionary project gets undermined if multiculturalism wins the day, right?
Babel is multicultural, lots of different peoples all gathered together, mixed in, and then God said, separate, yeah, establish your places.
And this, yeah, and this principle even applies not just to nations and culture, but individuals.
Like, I remember you know a few years back preaching a sermon, and I could tell that the congregation was struggling with it, but I knew that it needed to be said because I felt like.
The neo Calvinists, this isn't true to the actual reformed tradition, but the neo Calvinists, they had taken Calvin's soteriology and then kind of warped it through, made it modern and like Calvin plus classical liberalism plus whatever, a splash of political correctness and this, that, and the other.
A lot of those guys, which would be the majority of Calvinists today, and in a sense of overcompensating.
Um, and an over attempt to, um, to, to somehow, you know, hedge against the accusation that Calvinists are arrogant or prideful, which there's plenty of times that that's true.
Um, but in order to do that, you know, it became all the rage for a few decades, you know, with the young reformed restless movement and kind of the resurgence of Calvinism.
Uh, for at least 20 years, you know, every sermon was kind of like, well, and one of the chief beauties, you know, it's almost as though, like, um, The most brilliant facet of the diamond that is Reformed theology is this that according to Reformed soteriology, the Christian is no better than anyone else.
Not only did you not earn, in terms of your decisions, your choices, your actions, not only did you not earn salvation, but you didn't even make a better choice than the unbeliever to your left and to your right.
You didn't even make a superior choice, so you don't even have superior decisions.
Decision making faculty.
Sovereign Grace Over Obedience00:16:14
It's simply the sovereign grace of God.
And I understand what's being said there.
And certainly there's a sense in which that is true.
Paul said, I'm the most wretched of all men.
That's right.
It's God's sovereign election.
That's the doctrine of unconditional election.
But here was my point when I preached this sermon that people wrestled with because it felt foreign to them on that backdrop of Calvinists trying to prove that they're not prideful and arrogant and overcompensating.
The reason why that felt so foreign to them is the argument that I was making was I was saying, yeah, it's true that.
That when you become a Christian in conversion, God is not choosing, you know, He chooses the fools to despise the wise, the poor to despise the rich.
God is not looking at the mass of humanity and picking the superior portions of humanity in order to inherit salvation.
But upon inheriting salvation, so not in terms of God's election, his choice, while we are yet enemies of God, but upon no longer being enemies of God, once that heart of stone has been removed and replaced with the heart of flesh, once you're no longer an enemy of God and a child of his wrath, but rather an adopted son of the living God, then it's not just that the penalty of sin has now been paid, but the power of sin has in fact been broken.
It's not just justification, but Sanctification as a fruit and an evidence of justification begins to do its work.
And the end result is, and this is crazy, I know, but the end result is that Christians are better than non Christians.
And we have to be able to say that.
That must be true.
Of course, that's true.
Because to say anything otherwise is ultimately to say that the gospel is nothing more than fire insurance, it only affects the life to come.
Zero effect on this life here and now.
It's to render the gospel impotent.
It's to say that the gospel covers the penalty for sin, but it doesn't actually have any power to break the power of sin.
It is true that the Christian still will wrestle with the remaining presence of sin, but both the penalty is paid and the power is broken.
So the Christian can get better.
Even when I do, you know, we do this every single day in our catechism with our children, with family worship.
If you want to know some of the less political and cultural, a bit more of the.
Not even pastoral, but Joel as husband and father in my private home.
Some of the questions that we do in our catechisms we say, So we get to a point where we say, Will God ever die?
No, God lives forever.
And then the next question that we do is, Will you die?
And the answer is, Yes, it is appointed to man that he should die once, and then comes the judgment.
Then the next question is, Will you be destroyed in the judgment?
Will you pass through the judgment?
And the answer is, I'll pass through the judgment.
And I do this with my two year old.
My two year old says, I'll pass through the judgment.
Do I know whether or not my two year old's regenerate?
No.
But I teach my two year old to say, Yeah, you're darn right.
I'll pass through the judgment because I believe it's a matter of when and not if.
This two year old was given to me.
He's not just any two year old.
He's my two year old.
The Lord gave him to me.
I believe the means of grace are not severed from the ends of grace, and that one of the chief means of grace where God saves his elect is actually parenting.
That God gives, I mean, just look at the statistics.
If you're born in a Muslim home, God saves, but a lot of times he doesn't.
You're statistically far more likely to grow up and be a Muslim.
Shocker.
You're born in a Christian home, and you have a far higher likelihood of growing up and being a Christian.
So that's the next question will you pass through?
Will you be destroyed or pass through the judgment?
I'll pass through the judgment.
Then it's why?
Will you pass through the judgment?
Because I trust in Jesus.
And then we start getting into the commandments of God and obedience.
And one of the questions there that's very integral is we say, What is it?
The reason I started so far back is because it's a sequence and I remember it better if I start from the beginning.
But we go to the commandments.
What is it?
Oh, how do we glorify God, love Him, and obey Him?
And then it gets to, like, basically, like, it gets into why do we obey God?
And it's, I think the specific question is, is anyone good enough for God?
And the answer is no.
All have fallen short of the glory of sin and fallen short of the glory of God.
And then we say with obedience, it's, gosh, I'm so sorry, it's escaping me.
But with obedience, it's basically, it gets to, like, can anyone be good enough for God?
Can you obey?
Is obedience a means of inheriting salvation?
The answer is, of course, no.
But then I follow it up and I detour from some of the class in the Westminster and Keech's catechism and some of that.
It's a lot of Keech's catechism in Westminster, but I've added some of my own questions.
And then I get into so does obedience matter?
And that's what I'm getting to.
If we're not saved by our own obedience, does it matter?
And the answer is yes.
And then it's two particular reasons why it matters.
I say, why does obedience matter?
Is God pleased?
If we grow in obedience to the Ten Commandments, that's how it is.
Is anybody saved by his obedience to the Ten Commandments?
No.
No one is good enough for God.
Can we grow?
That's the next question.
But if we're Christians, if we're Christians by grace, can we grow in obedience to the Ten Commandments?
And the answer is yes.
And then the next question is if we grow in our obedience to the Ten Commandments, is that pleasing to the Lord?
Is the Lord pleased by our sanctification even in this life, knowing that in this life no one's perfectly sanctified?
So the fullness of sanctification doesn't ever happen in this life, which means every single way that you're being sanctified, every way you're growing in obedience, it's never achieving perfect obedience.
All we ever offer to the Lord is imperfect obedience.
So, is the Lord ever pleased?
He's pleased with our positional righteousness, our standing in Christ, which comes by faith alone.
But is he ever pleased by our progressive righteousness?
Not just our justification.
We know he's perfectly pleased in our justification, which is by faith, and that's the perfect righteousness of Christ, which is imputed and not earned.
But is God ever pleased with our progression of sanctification in this life as we grow as Christians, as we grow in obedience, never attaining perfect obedience, but improving in obedience?
And the answer is yes.
God, as our Heavenly Father, is actually pleased in our feeble attempts and improving while not yet ever arriving, still improving in obedience.
So that's the first one is why do we want to grow in obedience?
It doesn't save, but we can grow.
It is possible.
And number one, it pleases the Lord.
Sanctification pleases the Lord, not only justification.
Justification perfectly pleases Him in terms of positional righteousness, but progressive righteousness of sanctification also pleases our Heavenly Father.
The second one is I ask, When we grow in obedience as Christians, when we grow in obedience, does it make the world a better place?
Is it more loving to our neighbor?
And the answer is again, yes.
To grow in obedience makes the world a more loving place for our neighbor.
So we want to grow in obedience not because obedience, our obedience, saves.
Only the perfect obedience of Christ, which is received by faith alone, saves.
But by growing in obedience, one, growth in obedience, sanctification, not mere justification, pleases the Lord.
Two, growth in obedience, sanctification is one of the ways that we love our neighbor.
The more obedient each individual person is to the law, word of God, that's how we love our neighbor.
We love our neighbor by not putting idols in his face, by not taking the Lord's name in his presence, by not stealing from our neighbor, by not coveting what God has sovereignly given to our neighbor, by not murdering our neighbor, by not committing adultery with our neighbor's wife.
In all these ways, we're loving our neighbor.
And so, can we grow in obedience?
Yes.
And in growing in obedience, Does that please the Lord?
Yes.
And so, all that back to what you were saying, Michael, my point is God doesn't choose certain people to become Christians because they were better.
But when God chooses someone and makes them a Christian, that does make them better.
Christians are better than non Christians.
That doesn't mean each, you can always do the exception thing that we have already talked about.
You can find the worst Christian and then find the most outwardly moral non Christian and compare those two and make your Reddit argument, you know, as a James Lindsay new atheist.
That's fine.
That's cute.
But if we want to be serious people, adults, then you have to look at the group dynamic on the whole.
On the whole, regenerate Christians, are regenerate Christians morally superior in terms of outward behaviors?
Are regenerate Christians in general?
Morally superior to unregenerate pagans?
If you can't answer that question with a resounding yes, then you're not being humble as a Christian.
You're actually being accusatory and indicting God as having an impotent gospel that is mere fire insurance that covers the penalty of sin, but is impotent and powerless to do anything about the power of sin.
And it's the same for nations with cultures which are simply the comprisal of outward behaviors.
And customs and rituals and actions that's what forms a culture.
Um, if you have a Christian nation, you have a Christian culture, and a Christian culture beats the hell out of an Islamic culture or a pagan culture or a Jewish culture.
And if it doesn't, then what are we doing?
What are we doing?
Like, I, you know, like I feel like the response to this, you know, in the chat should be, uh, you know, shocking news update.
Um, Joel believes that Christianity is true.
You know, like, shocker, Joel thinks that Christianity, Christian pastor says that Christianity is positive for the world, right?
Like, of course we believe that.
And so, what do we like?
Yes, we want the gospel to spread to every single Christian nation, but we don't want every nation to come here.
We want the gospel to go out and for nations to become Christian.
And when they do, those cultures will become better.
In the meantime, until that happens, those countries that have less Christian cultures because they have not been Christian nations for centuries and centuries, Those are worse countries.
They're worse.
It's not everything's the same.
Oh, it's just different.
It's a distinction without a difference.
No, it's a distinction with a difference.
Somalia is not a great place to be, not by comparison to these United States of America.
Haiti is not a great place to be.
And people will get cute.
Again, the Reddit atheists will say, well, I just Googled the religion in Haiti, you know, and it's whatever 93%, you know.
Uh huh.
Yeah.
Catholic Christian.
With a syncretist mix of voodoo, and it's been that way for 15 minutes.
Right.
I'm talking about countries that have been Christian since King Alfred for a thousand years and arguably 1500 all the way back to Constantine.
So, nananana boo boo.
Oh, I got in the chat.
Christian pastor says Christianity is positive for culture.
Shocking.
So, yeah, so it all matters.
Back to you, Michael.
Nope, that's it.
I mean, so the really where we were landing is where I was hoping that we would get.
And that is just this idea that there are forces that are at odds with the Christian worldview.
And we've mentioned this a lot before, but that battle is not just a battle in the church over doctrine.
That battle is over what is real and what is not.
And I think that when people look back at this time in history, because reality will win, what they'll say is this was the time when people tried to say reality is not real on a whole host of issues.
Whole host of issues.
Gender.
Yep.
Yep.
The whole nine yards.
Yep.
And so, you know, that's why I think you said it earlier, Wes.
There's optimism, right?
Like, this cannot continue.
It's not a matter of really.
One way or another.
What's that?
Yeah.
One way or another, nature is going to win.
The way that God has created the world is going to exert itself.
There's no arguing with that.
What's that?
Nature is here.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yep.
Andrew Tate is running for prime minister in the UK.
Really?
And he's great on like, there will be no boats coming in, boats leaving daily, taking people out.
Attackers, perpetrators, rapists, they'll rot in prison.
We're going to live stream it.
But man, why couldn't it be a Christian?
That's how impotent we are.
He's a Muslim.
That's what I was going to say.
I've seen some of his takes, and some of his takes actually are good.
He'd be better than the current one.
Sadly, which is some level.
But yeah, but he would be a drastic improvement.
And that's not to say much of Andrew Tate.
That's to say very little about the current administration in England.
But yeah, I've seen some of his takes, and there's some good stuff.
But the glaring, terrible, sad, tragic irony.
Is the dude's a Muslim, right?
It could have been Christians.
We've had the Christian kings, the Christian princes, the Christian prime ministers.
We've had them.
It could have come from our stock, and we just sold the boat.
Well, not only that, but the reason he converted from Christianity now, I mean, obviously, we know biblically that's a testimony that he was not regenerate, sure.
But the point is, he was so unattracted to the weakness in Christianity that he went to something else that was stronger.
Like, even on that, he who's now a Muslim himself said, This is this, there's nothing here, right?
Because he was just a secular, you know, not non religious person.
And then he started realizing, you know, started waking up like a lot of people, red pilling on this and that, the other, and started realizing, whoa, we need to go back.
You know, we need something ancient, tried, true, tested, you know, and secure.
And, you know, humanist, secular, you know, mumbo jumbo ain't it.
And so he was like, I, so basically it was like he was at a crossroads and was like, I need a religion.
Religion is ultimately what humanity has ascribed to since its birth for, you know, millennia.
And I need a religion.
And I'm sure he considered Christianity.
But the reason he ultimately didn't choose Christianity is because Christianity is fake and gay.
But not inherently.
It's a pseudo fake, shallow Christianity that has become that way.
But if Andrew Tate, when he was making this decision, if he would have been able to talk to the Christians of old, he would have been like Richard the Lionheart.
Yeah, if he was sitting down with Duke Godfrey and then Muhammad and deciding his way, he'd be like, Muhammad is super gay.
And also a rapist.
Right.
The very thing I'm trying to stop.
And Duke Godfrey is a man.
This dude is amazing.
You know, and I guarantee you, Tate would probably have chosen Christianity.
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