The QUESTIONS episode explores a hypothetical scenario where Adam never sinned and death was absent, positing that God's restorative nature would have fostered exponential growth to 100 billion to a trillion people within 6,000 to 10,000 years. The speaker argues this unfallen humanity would possess superior intellects, reach nine to twelve feet in height, and indefinitely colonize the entire Earth, including Mars, while maintaining a smaller civil government due to the absence of sin-induced poverty. Ultimately, the discussion suggests that current human limitations stem from the Fall, contrasting our reality with a potential global garden sanctuary and promoting Right Response Ministries' upcoming Theonomy and Postmillennialism Conference. [Automatically generated summary]
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A World Without Sin00:12:16
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What would the current world population be if there was never death due to sin?
Fantastic question.
All right.
And so this is, you know, some people push back on this and say, you know, they'll say, well, Well, this is the it's what I was talking about earlier, right?
So, so it's theology, anthropology, all those kind of things, but let's just work with theology for a second.
Um, God is not Klaus Schwab, right?
God is not, um, Alexander Ocasio, you know, Cortez, who has no power, you know, but whatever, you know, he's just, you know, somebody who takes pictures and does social media.
Um, God is what I'm trying to say is, um, God is not trying to, um, to, to somehow, um, organize the end of the world.
God is not cruel.
God doesn't hate humanity.
God looked at creation, even though it's been fallen under the curse of sin, God said it is good.
And God is in the business of restoring creation and saving humanity through Jesus Christ.
Okay?
So, all that being said, God would not create man ever, even before sin entered the world and had it never entered the world, like your question, God would not have created a scenario with a creation that he says is good and man, Adam and Eve, which he said is good.
Very good on the sixth day.
God would not have created these things which he loved.
God has compassion on all he has made, the psalms say.
God would not have created these things which he declared are good and that he loves and has compassion on, and then engineered them in such a way and explicitly commanded them in such a way that they would lend towards their own implosion, demise, self destruction.
And then God's sitting back there, you know, in the global forum laughing, you know, maniacally.
I told them to be fruitful and multiply.
Little do they know.
I baked into the cosmic creation, the physical world order that I made.
I baked into the equation a very limited amount of resources.
And once they multiply to a certain point, they'll then be played with poverty and sickness, and people will starve, and mass diseases will spread, and this and that.
It's just not the nature of God.
So we can't believe that, right?
We're Christians.
That is distinctly not Christian.
So therefore, we have to believe.
That what God said was good and what God loves, his creation and man, had sin never entered the world and God commanding them to be fruitful, multiply, and to fill the world, that that wouldn't have lent towards destruction.
But if anything, the results of that, the fruit of man being fruitful, multiplying, and filling the earth would have been strictly positive.
Now, that doesn't mean there wouldn't be challenges to figure out.
Now, sin, right, because we're talking about a hypothetical situation where sin didn't enter the world, but there would still be challenges.
Right?
So some people, they think, you know, well, government, you know, government only, civil government only exists because sin entered the world.
Well, I disagree.
If sin never entered the world, you'd still have to decide which side of the road to drive on, the left or the right.
Somebody would have to make that rule, that determination.
And then that would have to be a rule that everyone is followed, that everybody follows for order, right?
God's law doesn't just deal with sin, but it also deals with order.
And so even with a sinless world, There would still need to be, there are certain things that would still need to be determined.
Now, civil government would be, the state would be a lot smaller.
It should be a lot smaller even now with a sinful world, but it would have been incredibly small.
You wouldn't have some bloated state with just millions of state employees doing a bad job at everything, but it'd be a small state.
But there'd still be a civil state.
And I believe that if Adam and Eve had been fruitful and multiplied, Adam had an eschaton.
Some of you have heard me talk about this before.
He had an eschatology before sin ever entered the world.
I believe that Adam was on probation.
So, this is what a lot of the Reformed Puritan type thinkers would say about.
The creational covenant or the covenant of life that we often refer to as a covenant of works that God established with Adam in the garden before the fall.
Remember, Adam was made in the wilderness, okay, and then placed by God in the garden.
And you might say wilderness, well, but this is before sin entered the world.
So how could there be a wilderness, you know, because thorns and thistles were, you know, the ground being cursed?
That's a result of Adam's sin.
Because Adam is federal head, not just of his wife and all their posterity, but Adam.
Is not just federal head representative of humanity but representative of the earthly cosmos, the created physical world, meaning that when Adam sins, it's not just that he and his wife and all their children are cursed, but cursed is the ground because of you, Adam.
He represented all physical earthly creation.
All right, so how could Adam be made in the wilderness before sin entered the world?
Because isn't the wilderness a kind of ground cursing fruit or result of Adam sinning?
And I would say, no, there's a difference between thorns and thistles, the world being cursed.
Versus the world still needing to be put in order and developed.
And that's not to say that God is not a God of order.
He looked at the world and he said it was good.
So it was without sin, but there was still much to do.
There was still much to do.
So there's a garden.
There's Adam and Eve.
Adam's called to work and keep the ground, work and keep.
In working, so keep, I think, is defense, protect, right?
And Adam failed in that.
The serpent shouldn't have been able to get into the garden, certainly not slither up to his wife and start lying about God.
So, Adam failed in that.
But keeping, I think, is protecting.
Working, though, is cultivating the ground, working as a gardener in the garden.
That's agriculture and all those kinds of things.
But not just cultivating, but I think that inherent in working is also expanding, developing, increasing.
That as Adam worked and kept, guarded the garden, but also worked the garden, he would be expanding the garden.
It would be increasing and multiplying.
So, it's not just that Adam and Eve were called to be fruitful and multiply in terms of making.
More people, multiplying people, I think they were also called to multiply the garden.
And I think that Adam's eschaton was that the garden, he would expand the garden, he and his sons, that they would work together over multiple generations, and they would expand the garden over the whole face of the earth, where there would be no void, empty places left.
There would be no wilderness, like the place where he was created, and then place in the garden.
But eventually, the whole garden would be covered, the whole earth would be covered by the garden, just as The whole earth in our eschatology, in this post millennial glorious hope, the whole earth will be covered with the knowledge of the glory of God as the waters cover the sea.
Well, I think Adam was going to do that with two things with the garden and with descendants, the garden and people.
Expand the garden, multiply the garden, multiply people.
So that you have the garden was the sanctuary, it was the church.
And that eventually the whole earth would be encompassed in this sanctuary and not just a big sanctuary, but only a couple people, right?
So you need both.
Multiply garden, multiply people, but also worshipers, image bearers of the living God to fill this now global, worldwide garden to sing the praises of God.
And not just sing, but to live them out in everything that they do in every area and realm of life.
So, all that being said, if sin had never entered the world at this point, right?
So, you wouldn't have all the, I mean, think of all the deaths that we've had in infancy until very recent and, you know, modern recent human history.
And then, and not just the deaths in infancy, but of course, all deaths, right?
You'd have all the people who ever had lived, but it'd be exponential, right?
So, right now we have like 8 billion people in the world, is the latest, like coming up on 8 billion or just hit it.
And then you got all the people since the beginning of the world.
And I would date the world, I'm not a heretic, so I'm a literal six day, 24 hour period day creationist, young earth.
But let's say anywhere from six to 10,000 years.
There is, I think, some reasonable debate.
But six to 10,000 years of human history and the creation of the world.
Eight billion now, or everybody who ever had lived, if they had lived, or were still alive, and there was no sickness and there was no death, I think that that would give us about, you know, Another 8 billion.
I haven't looked recently, but I've seen some studies that say we have more people alive on the planet today than have ever lived, you know, or comparable.
So let's just say 8 billion plus 8 billion, right?
So that's 16 billion.
But then you also have to talk about the fact that people would be continuing, right?
Women would be able to continue to get pregnant, to be fertile for, I would assume, indefinitely.
So having multiple generations of children from the same mother, right?
And then all the children who have died in our world that would have lived, that died in infancy, that would have.
Produced.
And then also, you're talking about sin not entering the world and how that affects how many children people want to have and people's view of children, seeing them as a burden, or, you know, they actually can't care for children because they're completely impoverished in North Korea, which again is a result of sin.
So you're talking about a world where there's no poverty and everybody has a right view of children and everybody is no sin.
So they're living in obedience to God in the commandment to be fruitful and multiply.
And there's no stop on the clock of a woman's fertility.
So, you don't just have 8 billion plus 8 billion, but all the exponential factors that I've just, 16 billion, that's the minimum threshold I put it at.
But exponentially, 100 billion would be small, probably 100 billion to a trillion.
That's my answer.
Pull the question about one more time.
100 billion to a trillion is what I'm going to say.
Yeah.
And right now, you could fit the whole world in the state of Texas comfortably.
And so, you know, 8 billion.
And so, if we had 100 million, I believe that we could.
All fit on earth.
And here's a couple other things just to add that.
And even a trillion.
I think we could do that on earth.
But you're also talking, you're not just talking about more people.
You're talking about unfallen people.
And you're talking about, so think about how far we've gotten in terms of science and innovation and discovery.
And that's because we're made in the image of God.
But sin is working against us.
Sin is working against us.
We're still able, unbelievers are able to do amazing things because they're made in the image of God.
But every time an unbeliever, Discover something that is actually true, it's only because they're working inconsistently with their actual worldview.
And their worldview does hang them up.
It does impede their progress.
It does, which is why all the major innovations and discoveries have been Christians historically until Christians surrendered all these things because of dispensationalism or premillennialism and pietism and radical two kingdomism and all these things.
But I digress.
So you're talking about.
You're talking about a lot of people, but you're also talking about, and here's the thing you're talking about Adam still being alive.
So, you're talking about, oh, here's a guy who's 8,000 years old.
He's been learning and developing without the hindrance of sin and the way that affects our development, the way that affects our learning, the way that affects how we discover and understand the truth and not just spiritual truth, but truth in this world because all truth is God's truth truth about the stars and truth about mathematics.
And, like, think about that.
Think about that.
Adam would be 8,000 years old.
Adam's Eight Thousand Years00:03:39
What do you think he would have invented?
Elon Musk has like 16 kids from multiple wives.
He's a complete pagan.
He's got weird dealings with China and wants to put chips inside your head.
And that guy might get us to Mars.
That guy might get us to Mars.
I'm grateful for Elon Musk because the bar is so low.
I'll take what I can get.
But that guy might get us to Mars.
I think Adam would have got us to Mars a long, long time ago.
And I don't know.
Maybe we shouldn't go to Mars.
My point is so let's scale it back.
Let's not even get to other planets and stuff.
And, you know, we could talk about moons with Jupiter and places that we could go there, which I think there's some great arguments.
But here's the deal.
Let's just start with our world, Antarctica.
Okay.
So before we try to colonize Mars, let's just colonize Antarctica.
Adam could have pulled it off.
He could have.
Seth could have done it with him.
You know, I mean, bring your son to work day, right?
And your son is, you know, 7,700 years old, you know, and you're 8,000 years old, and you're bringing all your grandsons, and it's just all these titans.
Right?
And that, man, that doesn't even, whew.
So we could go and go and go.
This is fun.
But there's a debate to be had for the size, literally, the physical stature and size of Adam.
Right?
So I believe, right?
Call me a lunatic, but I like to call it just a Bible believing Christian who's not so proud that he has to pretend to be sophisticated, but the Word of God is actually good.
It's actually good for me.
I'll take it.
I'll take the Word of God.
So that being said, water's above, right?
Sky, God created an expanse between the two, not one, but two bodies of water, the water's above and the water's below, right?
So we have oceans and seas.
But we also have what I would believe would be a canopy of water, right?
Somewhere about where we would say the ozone layer is, you know, or was until, you know, Ron DeSantis, you know, used too much hairspray.
But like the ozone layer, you know, the thing that was going to fall apart and we were all going to be dead by now, you know, the false prophets.
Well, around there, a canopy of water.
And that's one of the things that I believe that in the flood, God opened the geysers, the deep, right?
So there were bodies of water under the earth that opened up and then rising sea levels and then rain.
But not just rain like we know rain, right?
Not just like in Texas, we would say, you know, hard rain would be a goalie washer, right?
Because it rains so much, it starts to flood all the ditches and it just wipes everything clean, a goalie washer.
But not just that.
You're talking about the, I think that the canopy of water above popped and it really was a global flood and flooded every square inch of the world.
And the reason why was to wipe out wicked humanity, which I would believe again, because I believe the Bible, right?
Getting crazy here, but just telling you my beliefs.
Part of the reason God wiped out all these people is not just because they were wicked, we've always had wicked people, but that these people were hybrids yes, hybrids.
That fallen angels, the sons of God, saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and married them and went into them and created the Nephilim.
And that the Nephilim were horrible, horrible people, wicked, wicked people.
And that Noah, it's not just that Noah was this one righteous man in moral terms, but I also believe that Noah and his wife, his three sons, and their three wives.
We were the only ones who biologically, their genetics had not actually been compromised, that they had not intermarried with fallen angels or the offspring of fallen angels.
And so God wipes out the world.
But here's the deal that's a freebie.
All that being said, the point is before the flood, there's a canopy of water.
The Pre-Flood Oxygen Question00:04:26
What would that do in terms of oxygen levels?
What would that do in terms of.
So there are some guys who would say that basically it would create almost like a synthetic hyperbolic chamber.
Meaning, you could have larger creatures that could get enough breath, like dinosaurs, you know, or dragons, or whatever it might be, and that people were probably larger also.
Plus, you have there's no chemicals and pesticides and all these different things that we put in our food, and you know, like, so you're just eating pure food with greater oxygen levels, protection from sun rays, and all these different things, and living indefinitely lifespans that don't end.
So, you're not just talking about intellect.
That just grows for thousands of years and unimpeded by sin.
But then you're also talking about physical stature, right?
That you have large beings.
Adam could have been, I don't know, he could have been six feet tall, right?
This is a little bit, we're going a little bit off script here, okay?
But I'm just saying that it's a permissible, it is a reasonable view to hold that Adam could have been nine feet tall, 10 feet tall, 12 feet tall.
I feel like Ricky Bobby right now, right?
With modern advances in science and my high level income, you know.
No one lives forever, but it's not preposterous.
240, 250.
Adam could have been 12 feet tall, but I believe that.
That's possible.
So, increased physical stature, purity of thought, massive, tightened intellect, because no sin impeding it, and being able to intellectually develop without Alzheimer's or anything for 10,000 years, because there's no stop on your lifespan.
So, what does that all equate to?
Well, I think in population, it equates to about 100 billion to a trillion people.
In terms of Of, well, what do you do with a trillion people, Joel?
I don't know.
I think you colonize Antarctica and you figure that out.
I think there's no more Sahara Desert, right?
Because I already said earlier that I think that was Adam's eschaton be fruitful, multiply in terms of descendants, people, image bearers, worshipers, but also the worship sanctuary, the garden.
I think that there would have been a way if sin had never entered the world, especially without thorns and thistles.
I think there were still arid places, void places like the wilderness in which Adam was created by God.
And then Placed in the garden, but you don't have thorns and thistles.
And if you're saying, well, is a desert a wilderness or is a desert thorns and thistles category a result of sin?
I don't know exactly.
I don't know exactly.
I probably should think about that because I think it's just fascinating.
Maybe get back to me next time.
Is desert wilderness level pre sin or is desert thorns and thistles curse brought on the ground from sin?
I don't know.
But the point is, there would be some difficult geographic, climate, topography, kinds of Environments and ecosystems, and you know, they would have to be overcome, like Antarctica, like the Sahara Desert.
But I have to believe they'd be less difficult without the curse of sin and thorns and thistles and these kinds of things.
Um, and I think they'd be easier if people were physically stronger and bigger, which that gets into you know, some of the monuments that we have, like archaeologists, you know, discovering pyramids and things like that.
Like, were Nephilim involved in this, you know?
And so, anyways, but all that kind of stuff, Adam, if he's bigger and all his posterity, if they're physically bigger and stronger.
And they don't get tired and they don't get sick and they don't get this and they don't get that.
And then they live forever and they're smarter because they're not.
Sin makes you stupid.
Right?
You need to know that.
Right?
The Bible uses the word stupid.
Proverbs, Psalms.
I mean, the word stupid is like, why not say foolish, Joel?
You're just trying to get it.
No, foolish is a biblical word.
So is the word stupid.
That's not me translating the word foolish.
I mean, the Bible will say fool in one verse and then say stupid.
And sin makes us stupid.
And so if you're living for 8,000 years instead of 80, sinless?
Dude, what?
I mean, what would people be inventing?
Think about what people have invented with 50 year lifespans.
And think about what people are doing right now, inventing right now, while thinking that a boy can be a girl and a girl can be a boy.
And they're only going to live for about 70, 80 years.
Making a Postmillennial Film00:04:23
That's insane.
So now say that the person's not stupid because they're not a God hating rebel, perverted by sin, and they actually don't think that a boy can be a girl.
They understand basic things.
And they're not, their inventions aren't inconsistent with their worldview, but stemming and flowing out of their worldview and worship of the triune God.
And not for 70 or 80 years, but for 8,000 years.
And when it comes to whatever physical components are wrapped up into innovation, all that kind of stuff, you're eight feet tall and you can bench press a house.
Boom.
Okay, the point is 100 billion to a trillion people, but you can figure it out.
There's no more deserts.
There's no more Antarctica, you know, ice.
Everything is inhabitable and fruitful, not just harsh, but fruitful.
And I think you've Definitely could do it with every square inch of earth because I think that was Adam's eschatology.
And you might be able to do it even beyond the earth, even colonizing the stars, which I'll have to do another episode on that.
And I just, I got to get Alex Jones on the podcast and get my tinfoil hat, you know, to be prepared for that one.
Without tinfoil on my head, I cannot do that episode.
But it's an episode that needs to be done.
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