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	Oh, there's no corruption in Mexico.
	Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
	It's Sunday, February 2nd, 2025. This is your award-winning Get My Nation Media assassination episode 1735. This is No Agenda.
	Bracing for tariffs and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where there's an atmospheric river.
	I don't know.
	I don't see it.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	Is it that time again for the atmospheric river?
	Supposedly, I don't know.
	Maybe it's hitting someplace.
	What's it supposed to bring?
	What does the atmospheric river bring?
	Oh, half a foot!
	Half a foot of what?
	Half a foot of water.
	Rain.
	Oh, half a foot.
	But this has been going on since Friday night.
	Oh, it's going to be bad.
	Real bad.
	I have not seen it.
	I mean, it's been...
	Basically, the humidity is 100%, so everything's soaking.
	But there's no rain.
	It's just wet.
	Oh, because of the humidity.
	Well, I don't know.
	It was beyond that.
	I mean, it's drizzling.
	I could say that you could...
	Call it drizzling, like massive drizzling, but it's not.
	But it's drizzling.
	It's ridiculous.
	Well, sticking with the climate change for just a moment, today is the day, February 2nd.
	It's a very special day.
	They've made movies about it.
	Mayor de Blasio killed one of them, but he's still here.
	Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the annual prediction from Punxsutawney Phil.
	Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye!
	This is a great American tradition, by the way.
	Now on this February 2nd, Punxsutawney Phil, the seer of seers, the prognosticator of all prognosticators, was awakened from his wintry nap at dawn on Gobbler's Knob.
	Gobbler's Knob?
	So look to the skies and then, speaking in Groundhoggy...
	In the UK, Gobbler's Knob means something very different.
	...directed the president to the proper scroll, which reads...
	What a way to start a Sunday fun day.
	Yeah!
	You always said you'd make it here one day.
	To this place barely big enough to contain ya.
	Get to it!
	To this sweet Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania.
	We're all here with the elements combined.
	Where mother nature meets father time.
	Yeah, let's go.
	To hear the truth, are those gray skies?
	Only I know you can't trust AI. It's Groundhog Day, and maybe life is on a loop.
	But I miss my burrow.
	I miss my coop.
	So I'm headed back down.
	There's a shadow up here.
	Get ready for six more weeks of winter this year!
	Woo!
	Yeah!
	Yeah!
	So that stupid groundhog has only been right 39% of the time.
	I mean, a flip of the coin is better.
	Yeah, and logic doesn't make any sense if you think about it.
	Yeah, if it's sunny is when you think he'd be, oh, it's good weather.
	Why do we do this?
	I used to write about...
	In fact, I used to put this in a newsletter, and I used to...
	When I was writing for the Examiner, I was...
	Is that the San Francisco Examiner?
	Yeah, there was one time San Francisco Examiner.
	It merged with the Chronicle eventually.
	But I would always put a recipe for groundhog stew into the newspaper.
	There are recipes.
	There's a good book called...
	Wait a minute.
	Groundhog stew for actual ground-up groundhog?
	I don't remember how the recipe goes.
	I don't think you have to grind them necessarily.
	But I will say this.
	Like a brisket, put them on the pit boss.
	For people out there looking for something to read that's entertaining, there's a, I think it came out of one of the colleges back east, maybe North Carolina actually.
	It's a book called Unmentionable Cuisine.
	Oh.
	It was published in the 70s, and Unmentionable Cuisine has recipes for everything.
	Oh, stuff like...
	Ants, rats...
	Road...
	What do you call it?
	Roadkill.
	Roadkill.
	They have recipes for everything.
	And they have the real burgu recipe, which is a squirrel stew.
	Well, I'm thinking...
	This is something for Gateview Publishing.
	I mean, you read TooManyEggs.com.
	Now we're back for the sequel.
	Groundhogs, squirrels, ants, you name it.
	We just need to come up with a good name.
	Yeah.
	People would buy that.
	People would buy that.
	With the plug I just gave that book, the old book, if they get two sales, it'll be a miracle.
	But it does bring me to what I was going to think was going to be the clip of the day, talking about food, which is my TikTok clip, Black History.
	You're going to start with TikTok right off the bat?
	Black History Girl.
	If you didn't know this, you don't follow me.
	And if you don't follow me, you should follow me.
	My name is Chemistry.
	I teach black history.
	And just like everything else on my page, I'm not just feeding you a bunch of bullshit.
	There are a plethora of books that you can look into that proves that this is a fact.
	Books like The Delectable Negro, which covers recipes of how to eat black people.
	Another book called Edible People.
	The Historical Consumption of Negroes and Foreigners.
	And I believe it was like The Cannibalistic Trade.
	And that's just two of many.
	But yeah, if you want to know more about the topic, if you scroll down on my page, I have a video called White People Ate Black People.
	It's very, very informative.
	Alright, alright.
	I owe him a call anyway.
	I gotta call Mo about this.
	Let me find out.
	I gotta go straight to the source.
	Find out if this is true or not.
	Somebody, the comments on this particular woman was pretty interesting because I guess the first book she mentions is actually just some sort of homoerotic tale and it has nothing to do with anything.
	More like a Jeffrey Dahmer type deal?
	Yeah.
	Well, it is of course Black History Month.
	Yeah, that's why I played that clip.
	Yeah, it was good.
	It wasn't clip of the day, but it was...
	Oh, definitely.
	I didn't expect to get it.
	You can't roll out the clip of the day right away.
	Although you have done that.
	It happens from time to time.
	This, of course, is the shortest month of the calendar year, which Mo always complains about.
	Thanks.
	He says, thanks.
	Give us the shortest month.
	But the timing of everything was really impeccable.
	And I am going to give you props.
	I think you were spot on.
	Well, you already called it right after the election.
	You said the Democrat Party of the United States are going to die on the hill of...
	I'll just collectively say DEI. LGBTQ goes in there.
	Everything is in there.
	And I know that you have the clips, but to lead up to it...
	And it's cynical to think this way, but I think President Trump figured this out.
	He honey-potted the Democrat Party by coming out after the horrific DCA air crash.
	Yeah, I think so too.
	And now he may have some...
	I mean, there's a lot of information coming out about the third pilot.
	She was a woman.
	We presume that means female.
	You know, it's like, oh, only 450 hours.
	It's like, you know, simmer down, everybody.
	You know, if you have 450 consecutive hours, you're going to be a pretty good pilot.
	I thought she had 500. Well, 500. You know, there's a saying in aviation, the most dangerous moment for a pilot is 300 hours.
	Because then you kind of think you got it all down and everything.
	But if you're doing 450, 500 consecutive hours of training on type, you're going to be a good pilot.
	I've flown with female marine pilots.
	There's no reason to think they're better or worse than any other.
	Now there's a lot of questions.
	Why did they withhold her name?
	Why did they scrub her social media?
	It's fine.
	It doesn't really matter.
	What matters is that the...
	Colloquial left has taken what Trump said and is just running with the ball in all kinds of crazy directions.
	And the most insane was Smirconish on CNN, who was going to...
	Well, here's his claim.
	This all coming after the tragic Blackhawk and American Airlines collision that killed 67 people near Reagan National Airport on Wednesday night.
	night, a chilling collision above the Potomac, upended after the consular-in-chief pivoted and began playing the blame game and speculating while providing no evidence that diversity and hiring policies of prior administrations somehow caused this tragedy.
	The FAA's website states they include hearing, vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability and dwarfism all qualify psychiatric disability and dwarfism all qualify for the position of a controller of airplanes.
	The FAA website shows that the agency's guidance on diversity hiring We're last updated on March 23rd of 22. They wanted to make it even more so.
	And then I came in, and I assume maybe this is the reason, the FAA, which is overseen by Secretary Pete Buttigieg, a real winner.
	Now we'll circle around to the air traffic controllers later after your clips.
	I want to say up front that none of these...
	The problem with air traffic control is they can't actually qualify anybody to become an air traffic controller.
	So the issue now, as we know, we have many air traffic controllers in Gitmo Nation.
	They're overworked.
	Because of these stupid qualifications, no one is good enough.
	No one gets certified.
	No one gets through to become an actual air traffic controller.
	So the danger is not in a DEI hire.
	Controlling traffic in our airspace, the danger is there's not enough of them because of their policy.
	Staffing is the danger.
	Staffing.
	Now, so here is Smirconish's take on why the president did this.
	Despite any evidence supporting his conjecture, the president doubled down.
	And with the support of the vice president, the secretary of defense, the secretary of transportation, he produced a shiny object.
	DEI. Which dominated the Thursday news cycle.
	A debate over DEI now filled airspace that would otherwise have been focused on the confirmation hearings occurring that day on Capitol Hill featuring the most controversial remaining nominees of President Trump.
	There was Tulsi Gabbard, tapped to be Trump's Director of National Intelligence, who refused to say whether or not she thinks Edward Snowden is a traitor.
	FBI Director nominee Kash Patel, who fielded questions about a retribution and enemies list.
	RFK Jr., Trump's nominee to be the next Secretary of Health and Human Services, seemed to struggle a bit when answering a basic question about Medicare.
	Three nominees who could potentially be in charge of our security and health, they all took a back seat to a torrent of unproven rhetoric and speculation.
	That night, President Trump's unfounded speculation about DEI was welcomed on Fox News.
	And no doubt, many Americans working jobs with limited bandwidth to verify their information.
	They went to bed thinking 67 people died because of a government initiative which they think discriminates against whites and had caused some unfit minority to get hired for a job, resulting in negligence and costing lives.
	I'm too cynical to accept coincidence.
	I think President Trump wanted to own the news cycle, like he wants to own every news cycle.
	And this time, he sought the added political benefit of raising questions over whether a minority was at fault for the D.C. catastrophe.
	So, no, he never said minority, but here's the crazy thing.
	So Smirconish, his complaint, this is CNN at work, his complaint is that Trump did this.
	President Trump did this to distract from the nominee hearings and to just make sure no one knows what's going on with these crazy people.
	And subsequently...
	He goes on to do one of his stupid polls about this DEI stuff instead of talking about the thing he says we're being distracted from.
	It brings me to today's poll question at SpurKonish.com.
	Do you believe President Trump's blaming of DEI for the Washington crash was a deliberate attempt to shift focus from the congressional confirmation hearings?
	Well, what do you think?
	What do you think his phony baloney poll would say?
	Well, with the CNN audience, and since we already know that these polls are phony baloney...
	Bogus.
	It definitely is, yeah.
	It's got to be a big yes.
	All right, there's the voting so far at smirconish.com.
	Wow, round numbers.
	Wow, round numbers.
	Yes.
	What are the chances?
	Exact round numbers.
	Nearly 40,000 have voted, agreeing with me that the whole...
	The whole audience...
	Wow, what he should have said, this is a record.
	The entire audience voted.
	We've never had this happen before.
	Agreeing with me that the whole injection into the conversation of DEI in the aftermath of that...
	That catastrophe was just a shiny object to take our attention away from the Capitol Hill hearings.
	I'm not often in the majority on my polls.
	I'm not even sure what to say right now.
	Oh, yes.
	And then he went on.
	That seems unlikely he doesn't know what to say.
	He went on and on and on.
	And I want to play one more before you get to your DNC clips because that was just amazing what happened there.
	Here's Capehart.
	Doing his thing.
	Now turning to President Trump's response to this major tragedy.
	Just a day after the aircraft collision, Trump blamed, without any evidence, his familiar scapegoats, the previous administration's NDI. I put safety first.
	Obama, Biden, and the Democrats put policy first.
	And they put politics at a level that nobody's ever seen.
	They put a big push to put diversity into the FAA's program.
	They actually came out with a directive to white, and we want the people that are competent.
	I'm trying to figure out how you can come to the conclusion right now that diversity has something to do with this crash.
	Because I have common sense.
	Okay?
	No.
	Not okay.
	Not okay.
	Check President Trump's assertion.
	According to the Federal Aviation Administration, there are rigorous standards for hiring pilots, mechanics, and air traffic controllers, and there is no evidence that those standards were lowered to the diversity goals.
	So folks, let's call out the President's response for what it really is.
	Racist.
	It's racist now!
	K-Part is great.
	So they fell for it, and this, as cynical as it is, I really believe the president made a very calculated, smart move.
	It is an issue.
	It has been an issue.
	The workforce is not large enough for the air traffic controllers.
	But he does this on the eve of this DNC-nominating process.
	And subsequently, the M5M falls for it.
	They just fall for it.
	And every single American identifies with an air disaster.
	And they don't care.
	I mean, I'm sure if you go out on the street and talk to Democrats, they'd be like, would you like a DEI hire to be running the ATC? They'll all say no.
	They may lie to you in front of the camera, but you know how everyone feels.
	It was a genius move.
	Cynical, but a genius move.
	I like the idea that it's cynical.
	Because I'm not thinking in those terms with Trump, but I think I can do that.
	I think I can think that he's cynical and in this case, exploitative.
	Yes.
	And he doesn't care.
	He's not running for re-election, so he does stuff.
	Yeah.
	And he's going to do stuff for the next four years that's going to drive people nuts.
	I have some clips about that, too.
	But give me the DNC, because I'm just so excited.
	Yeah, before we go too far astray, I don't want to lose out on the Hegseth issue about, since we mentioned Black History Month before you got into that clip.
	Yeah.
	And I have to play this.
	This is Hegseth.
	Sorry, I'm sorry.
	Play it, yeah.
	Hours before the start of Black History Month, the Defense Department declared Cultural Awareness Months at the Pentagon dead.
	Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said celebrations of Black History Month, Women's History Month, and the like divide the force and erode camaraderie.
	He went on to say service members may only attend these celebrations in an unofficial capacity.
	The guidance is effective immediately.
	I like that he calls it camaraderie.
	I think it's camaraderie.
	Anyway.
	Yeah, well, they canceled all of it.
	You know, I have pronounced it both ways, too.
	But he canceled all of the...
	I know he just canceled it all.
	This guy is a short-timer.
	I guarantee it.
	You think?
	I'm digging him so far.
	I like him, but if he goes two years, I'll be stunned.
	Okay.
	And that's because the pushback will be just outrageous because people...
	It's just too much.
	It's too much for these guys.
	So the DNC had their little shindig, and it was played on MSNBC for some...
	What do you mean?
	It was their deal.
	It was their whole...
	I mean, it showed the complete collusion between the two.
	Oh, yes.
	They had Joy Reid.
	Capehart was there.
	Your buddy, Capehart.
	My buddy.
	And then the redhead.
	Yeah, Psaki.
	Psaki, Psaki.
	Everybody was there.
	So they had a bunch of people.
	David Hogg was there, and he ran for, I'm going to start with the easy ones and go to the best one at the end.
	So I got one, a one, two, one, two, three, four.
	I got a lot of clips, but they're short.
	But David Hogg, who ended up getting the number of votes to get vice chair.
	Let's remind everybody who David Hogg is.
	David Hogg is this character that came out of the Parkland shooting in Florida.
	Yeah.
	And he became kind of a quasi-celebrity amongst the Democrats.
	And he's an anti-gun guy.
	Kid.
	He's still, I think, a kid.
	He's in his...
	Early 20s, I think.
	Early 20s.
	Yeah, he's in his 20s.
	And he is kind of a...
	He's not as bad as some of these guys, but he's one of these kind of...
	You would call him kind of a beta.
	You call him a crisis actor, John.
	A beta male.
	He's gotten really good.
	He reminds me of...
	Troll Room's going to have to come up with this name because I was trying to think of it the other day, and normally I can come up with these names.
	The guy used to be a right-winger, kind of a...
	I don't know if you'd call him handsome, but he's a very presentable guy.
	I saw a young guy, and it was a Christian character who pushed and pushed and pushed, and he was...
	He did a lot of grassroots stuff, a lot of astral turf stuff.
	Oh, the guy with the long hair?
	No, he didn't have long hair.
	He was well-coiffed.
	Oh.
	He was young-looking.
	His name was Christopher.
	I just can't remember his name.
	And he got busted for being with a whore or something.
	I don't remember the exact problem.
	He ended up with some chick.
	That involves something.
	Scarf with some money.
	There was some scandal, and he just disappeared off the face of the earth.
	The troll room is suggesting John Stamos, but I don't think that is correct.
	Yeah, well, that's the best thing.
	I'll come up with this guy's name, but this guy reminds me of that kind of guy, and only because of the patter.
	He's picked up a professional politician's patter, this hog guy, and here he is.
	This is the DNC David Hogg clip where he's promoting himself to be the vice chair.
	Are you ready to go on the offense?
	Are you ready to go on the offense?
	We have to win back our young people.
	I am the only candidate in this race for any of these positions that is under 30. We had a 20-point shift to the right of our young people.
	We must show our young people we give a damn about them, that we support them, and we invest in them.
	I have raised over $11 million in the past year to support the future of our party because I don't just tweet.
	I don't just talk the talk.
	I also walk the walk and I knock the knock and doors across the country.
	But I'm counting on you in this moment right now.
	I need your support.
	Please vote for me.
	Thank you so much.
	Nice.
	I walk the walk.
	I talk the talk.
	I knock the knock.
	Got an attitude for gratitude.
	Connection is protection.
	Woo, baby!
	He's a DJ for gratitude.
	Yeah, he can get the...
	Darren writes some material for him.
	That's right.
	Yeah, he needs it desperately.
	And he actually got the votes, huh?
	He got the votes, yeah.
	Him and another guy both got the votes, so there's two co-chairs, I guess.
	Now I have...
	Here's the typical of what's going on, and you gave me a little kudos earlier for predicting some of this, but the hill the Democrats are going to die on includes what we're going to hear here.
	This is a section where the guy comes on with the...
	With some rules.
	Yeah, this is the...
	His name is...
	Gender rules.
	His name is...
	What's his name?
	Hold on a second.
	I have it here.
	He is...
	I can't remember his name.
	Well, that's okay.
	It's not important.
	But here he's going on and on about gender rules.
	Jamie Harrison.
	That's who he is.
	Jamie Harrison.
	Rules specify that when we have a gender non-binary candidate or officer, the non-binary individual is counted as neither male nor female, and the remaining six officers must be gender balanced.
	Okay, I'm following.
	With the results of the previous four elections, our elected officers are currently...
	Two male and two female.
	In order to be gender balanced, we must select one male, one female, and one person of any gender.
	So again, this is what we have to do for this vice chair race.
	we have to elect one male, one female, and one person of any gender.
	To ensure our process accounts for male, female, and non-binary candidates, we conferred with our RBC co-chair, our LGBT caucus co-chair, and others to ensure that the process is inclusive and meets the gender balance
	Okay.
	As we must elect a candidate of any gender as well as one male and one female vice chair, we will first ask members to elect a candidate of any gender on the first ballot.
	Any candidate, male, female, and non-binary can be elected on that ballot.
	After a candidate is elected on the first ballot, we'll have one officer of the three So then we will know which position is filled of the one male, one female, and one vice chair of any gender.
	Our second ballot would also be for a candidate of any gender.
	Then our third ballot will be the third position that is remaining based on the two results.
	Either a male candidate if a candidate that is not male has not been elected or a female candidate if a female has not been elected.
	Dude.
	And the crazy thing is they picked two cracker white guys.
	Everyone's a cracker white guy.
	That's the funny thing.
	But did you see some of the candidates who were up there and saying, vote for me?
	Well, that's where the kicker will come in.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	I'll leave it to you.
	You don't have to coach me on this.
	I got the goods because one of our guys, one of our producers sent me the good rundown.
	Was it Madison Cawthorn who you're thinking of who wound up in the wheelchair and then was it sex parties?
	Was that the one you're thinking of?
	No, no, no.
	Milo Yiannopoulos?
	No, he's not gay.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's a very famous guy, and it's just a tip on my tongue, and this really irks me because I'm pretty good at this.
	Steve Bannon?
	Yeah, that's it.
	A good-looking, well-coiffed Steve Bannon.
	I don't think so.
	The guy looks like he just rolled out of bed 100% of the time.
	So here's another one.
	During this discussion, some...
	I think it was a guy, a dude in a dress.
	I think it could have been an ugly woman.
	It could have been a...
	Whatever it was, it was a very irked-looking person.
	I don't know the gender of anything else, but he came out...
	This clip is called D&D. This is easy to find.
	Oops, sorry.
	And this is her, she, it, they, them going on and demanding the following.
	Okay, the next person is Carol Abney, who is a Tennessee DNC member.
	Go ahead, Carol.
	We all know that red states need extra help, so my question is for all of you.
	For the past 16 years, the transgender community has only gotten one at-large seat each time.
	Will you pledge to appoint more than one transgender person to an at-large seat, and will you commit to making sure those appointments reflect the gender and ethnic diversity of the transgender community?
	Carol wanted to ask this of everybody, and then I want to give Mr. Paul an opportunity to be fair for everyone to speak more.
	Would everybody here commit to that?
	Raise your hand if you would commit to what she just asked.
	Okay.
	All hands went up.
	Hey, but wait a minute.
	We've got to figure out what NBC is doing here.
	I mean, we know they're being spun off.
	We know that there's all kinds of issues.
	Are they going to the Democrat Party and saying, just make us our, you know, let's make it official and just pay us?
	I mean, they didn't do this for free, I presume.
	Like, oh, it is great content for the show.
	They're working for us.
	But what is that connection?
	Why?
	Why would they do this?
	You know, I was baffled by it myself.
	It's desperation.
	I mean, when you say MSDNC, now it's just a fact.
	It's very strange that they went for this.
	You know, maybe there's something afoot.
	You might have stumbled onto something here.
	There may be something afoot where they actually stay on the air as an independent, you know, spin co is the name of the company.
	Who do you work for?
	Here's my new card, Spinco.
	All right.
	The Spinco company may keep them on the air and cable, because they're already assigned a certain, you know, if you're a cable provider in some area, you have signed up for them.
	But how poetic is it that MSNBC is owned by a company called Spinco, a news organization?
	Yeah, it's pretty funny.
	It is.
	So it's possible that they would just stay on the air as a mouthpiece for the Democrat Party.
	Why not?
	Well, I mean, there's money there, so they should do something.
	And they're just pathetic, though.
	They're for hire.
	They're for hire.
	This was like watching Capehart and Joy Reid and the Redhead.
	Psaki.
	Yakking away here.
	And Capehart's the absolute worst.
	Here's Capehart.
	This is the DNC Capehart.
	This needs a setup.
	They went through a series of questions where they asked people various generalized questions and they all raised their hands.
	And whatever they asked, everybody raised their hands.
	This was like the idiots that ran for the Democrat primaries.
	Presidency, yeah.
	Presidency a couple of years ago when they said, will you give free health care to all the immigrants?
	And they looked at each other and they all raised their hands like idiots.
	Exactly.
	So they're doing the same thing now.
	They're all raising their hands like idiots.
	And I thought that this particular question was like, and because what's interesting about this one is at the very end, they all raised their hands and the audience all raised their hands to this one.
	In this round, so I'm going to have a show of hands.
	How many of you believe that racism and misogyny played a role in Vice President Harris's defeat?
	Okay.
	today.
	So, that's good.
	That's good, you all pass.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	K-Part, he's from NBC News.
	He's not just MSNBC, isn't he?
	No, no, he's not.
	No.
	Oh, I thought he was with the big boys, with the mothership.
	No, no, he's on PBS. Oh, he's out.
	They're all out.
	He's on PBS and MSNBC. I've never seen him on NBC. He's the associate editor of the Washington Post, and he's really an embarrassment to journalism, as far as I'm concerned.
	He's super one-sided.
	He's a big fan.
	He's just a pathetic character.
	So here we have, this is a DNC new chair clip.
	Okay.
	There's a new chairman of the Democratic Party as it comes to grips with the Republican control of the White House and both houses of Congress.
	Ken Martin, the Minnesota party leader, won on the first ballot, getting 32 more votes than the majority he needed.
	Martin has pledged to refocus the party's message on working-class voters and to improve the party's rapid response to President Trump.
	What does this guy have?
	I mean, he's pasty white from Minnesota?
	Yeah, something's going on with Minnesota.
	What is Minnesota?
	What is the appeal of that guy?
	I have no idea, and there's a couple of clips of him online that are just, like, embarrassing.
	But okay.
	So this is the last clip.
	And that was from PBS, obviously.
	Yeah, PBS. So this is the last clip.
	And this, to me, was epitomized what really this thing was classic.
	This thing was a joke, this DNC moment.
	Yeah, it was.
	And so they're going to say, okay, here's what we're going to do.
	We're going to have you each introduce yourselves one at a time.
	And this is the group for this chair.
	And there was one black woman, five white dudes, a mixed-race person, and one white woman.
	So you had eight people up there.
	And so it starts off with the black woman, who I have to wonder whether she was looking around and saying, this is really, I don't know why any blacks are buying into any of this DNC stuff.
	Maybe she's goofing here.
	But this is the first thing.
	When you introduce yourself, you go, I'm, you know, John C. Dvorak, I'm blah, blah, blah, blah, I did this and that, and I did No Agenda Show, and I do that.
	And you introduce yourself, but here's the way, and this to me was the epitome of the entire event, was this woman's introduction of herself.
	And we'll begin with the opening statements.
	Each candidate will have 30 seconds, and we'll start with Dr. Quintessa Hathaway.
	Good evening, everyone.
	It is my desire to be the next.
	DNC chair.
	And I just want to give you all a little bit of something that's been on my heart here over the last couple days.
	You fight on, you fight on.
	You fight on, you fight on.
	When your government is doing you wrong, you fight on, oh, you fight on.
	Thank you, Dr. Hathaway.
	I think that's something from the Black Church, actually, that song.
	Well, it's obviously one of the gospel songs of some sort, but what's that got to do with introducing yourself?
	And why would you do that in front of this lily-white audience of non-binaries?
	Extra points, man.
	Now that I'm thinking about it, Ken Martin might be non-binary.
	He has kind of that look.
	Yeah, could be.
	That androgynous look.
	He has a Buddha judge.
	He's like a Buddha judge type dude.
	So the Democrat, this is the Democrat party, and they're wondering, and I think the kicker in the whole thing was, you know, how many people think that Kamala Harris lost because of misogyny and sexism, sexism and racism.
	And they all said, yeah, that's the reason.
	And then they went into this transgender stuff and non-binary, and they've just gone off the rails with this stuff.
	And they have nobody.
	People always ask me.
	I've had a back and forth with a few friends of mine of the liberal persuasion.
	Oh, please.
	They still talk to you?
	No, no, not them.
	Oh, okay.
	This is a big shot.
	Oh, I was confused.
	And it was like, what are the Democrats going to do?
	What can we do?
	Is there anybody on the horizon to fix this?
	No!
	They know they're in a pickle, the smart ones.
	And they can't get out of it because they're in a nosedive.
	And they can't get out of it.
	Yeah, it's really sad.
	It's really sad.
	Well, what's somewhat sad about it is it gives the...
	I mean, I'm not complaining necessarily, but the Republicans really can't be given a free reign.
	What do you mean?
	Oh, because we need some good pushback.
	We need some pushback.
	You can't just go nuts.
	And if this, you know, after Trump's first four years, if J.D. Vance gets in, who's a sharper character than Trump, younger and more, you know, kind of...
	Not quite as conniving and interesting, to say the least.
	But he could hold the thing for another eight years.
	And then after that, who knows?
	But the Democrats have nothing going on.
	Well, not at the moment.
	Not the way this is happening.
	Not if it's going to be a bunch of non-binaries.
	Anyway, I think the honeypot was successful.
	You know, it threw everybody over and like, oh, we got to go nuts over this.
	Yeah, you're right.
	It's disturbing.
	It's like, read the room.
	You know, the country.
	Read the room of the country.
	Well, so speaking of MSNBC and how they've completely tied themselves to the DNC, there's some interesting things happening which we have been harping on for years.
	Literally years.
	And that is about the funding.
	We've mainly talked about NPR, but I think we...
	I might have still had a syndicated radio show because I remember us talking about how the people who sell airtime for NPR, which when you think about it, shouldn't be sold as commercial airtime, but they are the exact same people, the same salespeople who sell commercial radio airtime.
	And that's not how it's supposed to work.
	And it's always kind of been skirting the edge, I think, of the rules.
	And this clip goes back to, I think, this is 2017. It may not even have been the first time we played it.
	What was the name of the lady who was then running NPR at the time?
	I forget her name.
	Yeah, she's still floating around in Hollywood.
	Yeah, you're right.
	I can't remember her name of hand, unfortunately, because it doesn't come up enough.
	Well, this is 2017 when...
	I think you're right.
	I think this actually is before that.
	I think the 2017 is the latest version we played.
	Redux, yeah, probably.
	And here she was talking about their revenues being down, but here's how she described it.
	Okay, moving on to money.
	How are NPR's corporate underwriting revenues holding up in the recession?
	And what about foundation grants?
	Two different stories.
	Underwriting is down.
	It's down for everybody.
	I mean, this is the area that is most down for us, is in sponsorship, underwriting, advertising.
	Call it whatever you want.
	Call it whatever you want.
	Yes.
	So the whole idea of underwriting for NPR and PBS, I'm going to focus on NPR for a moment since that's what we've always been following, is that you can sponsor.
	It's not even a sponsorship.
	It's an underwriting.
	It's an underwriting.
	Which is a term.
	When she said advertising, whatever you want to call it, underwriting, and I worked for public radio myself.
	Underwriting, I think, is just a...
	I think it's a misnomer, and I think it's a workaround.
	For this law, I mean, it's in the law that if you're a public broadcaster, you cannot take advertising.
	I think it's a workaround.
	It always has been.
	But they've been pushing the limits.
	If anyone listens to NPR recently, there are out-and-out advertisements on that network.
	Yes.
	The whole point being that you as a corporation, if you donate to NPR, which is a non-profit organization, you can write that off as a tax expense, as a good deed, a gift, if you will.
	And always at issue, I looked this up actually, the IRS has some kind of fuzzy language because Here's what they say is the issue.
	The problem presented by the issue of corporate sponsorships is distinguished qualified sponsorship payments and the associated acknowledgement of donors from the sale of advertising and thus the payment being treated as unrelated business income.
	So on one hand, it breaks the 501c3 rules that the IRS recognizes for NPR. On the other hand, simultaneously that makes it difficult for those corporations to write it off.
	And take the tax benefit from that.
	Anyway, Brendan Carr, who is the new FCC chief, praise God we got this guy in.
	Not so much for what he's doing with NPR, but just in general.
	It was kind of going nuts.
	That other lady was going all into the internet.
	And you remember she was like, oh yeah, we're going to only allow legal traffic.
	And we'll see what Brendan Carr does.
	But so far, he's been focusing on public media.
	And of course, NPR wouldn't be NPR if they didn't do a segment about themselves.
	Now, some news about public media.
	The new head of the Federal Communications Commission under President Trump has ordered an investigation of NPR and PBS. He is focusing on the corporate underwriting spots that you hear on shows like this one.
	NPR media correspondent...
	By the way, there was zero underwriting mention in front of this report.
	Funny, huh?
	...on shows like this one.
	NPR media correspondent David Folkenflik joins me now.
	Before I bring in David, I want to note NPR has rules for reporting when we report on ourselves.
	Among them, no corporate official, no news executive has had a hand in this coverage.
	Unlike all other coverage, apparently.
	Wow, you know, that's kind of a funny admission.
	Yeah.
	Because, you know, it's like, oh, okay.
	In this report, we can't...
	In this particular report.
	Play that little bit at the end again, because there's something in there that's good.
	Got my attention.
	Folk and Flick joins me now.
	And before I bring in David, I do want to note NPR has rules for reporting when we report on ourselves.
	Among them, no corporate official, no news executive has had a hand in this coverage.
	Okay, no news executive.
	Yes.
	Well, no corporate.
	No corporate either.
	She said no corporate.
	But why would a news executive not have a hand?
	News executives are the editors, aren't they?
	You would think.
	And the editors look at everything.
	That's what they do.
	Their job is to make sure that the material abides by the principles of whatever the hell that is.
	Well, in this case, Marie Louise is freewheeling it.
	She's doing whatever she wants to do.
	She's out of control.
	With that, David, what is this investigation about?
	Well, Marie Louise on its face involves concerns raised by the new FCC chairman, Brendan Carr, elevated by...
	President Trump to that position about the question of whether our underwriting spots, just as you say, the ones that we hear on shows like this on NPR and on PBS stations as well, are veering into crossing the lines, in fact, into becoming prohibited commercial advertisements.
	So, for example, if you hear something like Toyota is underwriting NPR in stations like this, they can't say go buy a Tercel or some other Toyota car.
	They can say you can learn more on our website and here's what you can do.
	You can't have a call for action.
	And there are other restrictions as well.
	That's a call for action.
	I know.
	He's completely wrong on this.
	You cannot say go to our website.
	That's exactly...
	Going to the website is a call for action.
	That's right.
	I mean, how much more clear can it be than go to?
	If they had a news editor, this piece would never have aired this way.
	Because the news editor, like you and I, would have said, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, you can't say that.
	We got one of our producers, I don't have it in front of me, but he said, you know, we're at such a disadvantage against commercial radio.
	Well, yeah, you're not commercial radio.
	He said, you know, the other guys, they can do all kinds of stuff, promo codes, code Bongino, and we can't do any of that?
	Well, no, the whole...
	That's the idea of public broadcasting.
	They're given a whole chunk of the airway for free to do this sort of work, and now they're bitching?
	If you want to be a commercial radio station, hey, Go buy a frequency someplace else and go become one.
	How do you complain about this?
	Well, this was what they tried to do.
	Just like us complaining about, oh, we don't have any advertising.
	Well, if you want to advertise and want to do the show differently, we can do that.
	Yeah, on YouTube with video.
	Yeah, with a big microphone.
	And cans.
	Cans.
	Well, this is, I mean, we can just look at this from a historical perspective.
	This is why NPR... Through so much money and resources at podcasting, not understanding that the only way podcasting works is the way we do it, with very little resources.
	They had, you remember, like radio labs, like 25 people working on that one show?
	Yeah, it's ridiculous.
	No, we do it through volunteerism, too.
	We have resources.
	Yes.
	We're basically NPR. Properly done.
	Actually, yes.
	Except when people donate to us.
	You can't write it off as a donation to a non-profit, and then you can plug your gigawatt coffee or whatever you got going.
	It's a loophole.
	They find a loophole.
	Yes, they have.
	The loophole is so big, you could turn a 747 around in it.
	You can't say, go buy a Tercel or some other Tuita card.
	They can say, you can learn more on our website, and here's what you can do.
	You can't have a call for action, and there are other restrictions as well.
	And that's what he's doing there.
	It's worth also remembering, the FCC doesn't directly regulate.
	Networks like NPR and PBS, what it does is regulate...
	What's the Laugh Tale, bro?
	What do you mean they don't directly regulate?
	What does that even mean?
	What's the Laugh Tale for?
	I don't know.
	It doesn't directly regulate networks like NPR and PBS. What it does is regulate the member stations, which even in this digital age have to get licenses approved by the FCC to broadcast their, you know, and use airwaves that are owned otherwise by the public.
	Okay, so what he's saying is...
	They don't actually regulate the content, which is true.
	A lot of this is done by, what is it, PMX, I think, or what is it, APM, American Public Media.
	Those are commercial outfits.
	They produce it commercially.
	They get paid.
	The member stations pay for that content, which they, of course, I don't know the prices.
	Maybe some of our producers could tell us.
	I'll bet you it's too expensive.
	I'll bet you it's just too expensive.
	And that's what they should be focusing on.
	Give me an NPR station.
	I'll change it.
	I have to say, for example, that if you look at, not NPR so much, but PBS, you look at a show like Nova, that thing cost a fortune to make.
	Nova, Frontline, those two shows, for example, they are not cheap shows.
	Well, that's why they have Archer Daniel Midlands and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
	And they got the big boys supporting them there.
	You know, it's important.
	We had to do some more pharma stories.
	I mean, it's so corrupt.
	Anyway, are they doing it right?
	What have NPR and PBS said in response to this investigation?
	Well, it's my chance as always, Mary Louise, to point out.
	I'm not speaking for NPR. I'm just the guy paid by NPR to cover it.
	Handsomely paid, I might point out, half a million dollars a year.
	Handsomely paid to do this.
	That guy makes half a million dollars a year.
	Most of these people do.
	Most of the, I think the top...
	Ten people at NPR who are on air make four and a half to five.
	Oh, I saw this list.
	Yeah, it just showed up, right?
	It's fine, but then don't complain if you don't have enough money to cover it.
	To point out, I'm not speaking for NPR. I'm just the guy paid by NPR to cover it.
	But our chief executive, Catherine Mayer, as well as the head of PBS, Paula Kerger, both say, look...
	Our programming and our underwriting messages comply with the law, they comply with federal regulations, and they comply, as we've tried to do for decades, with the guidelines that the FCC itself has given us to make sure that we're going on the straight and narrow, that we're staying within the rules.
	And both of them have said, essentially, that they're confident that this review or inquiry will ultimately affirm that they're adhering to these rules.
	These would have real consequences for these 1,500 public broadcasting stations around the country that are licensed by...
	But, you know, they're saying we think that we do it right.
	And, you know, presumably if their tweaks are suggested, they would live with that too.
	Oh, yeah.
	We'll take your tweaks.
	I mean, it comes down to this difference.
	So if we had a law firm, it would be okay for NPR in California to say, this program is brought to you by the Curry-Dvorak Law Firm.
	The problem is, what they do is...
	This program is brought to you by the Curry Dvorak Law Firm, serving Californians and Texans since 1938. See, that's the problem.
	That's minimum.
	But that's what they do.
	I know, they do that all, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Alright, what's at stake here?
	David, just back up and give us a sense of the broader stakes here.
	I think it's really important.
	In some ways, you've got this specific inquiry being raised by Chairman Carr, but it fits into his call, which he made expressly in his letters to the heads of...
	He's basically going to share what he finds with lawmakers on Capitol Hill as they debate that very issue.
	Trump tried without success several times to cut that funding during his first term in office.
	And it, of course, fits into this broader assault rhetorically by President Trump and his allies on the mainstream media.
	Trump has taken to the courts to go against major networks and major news organizations.
	He's, you know, made clear he intends to use bureaucratic regulatory levers as well.
	This is one of them.
	So you see this as, you know, really in some ways an attack on public broadcasting's federal funding and a questioning of its private funding and, you know, creating a more hostile climate for media writ large.
	Yes!
	Hostile to media writ large.
	Let's stop and make mention of one thing.
	PBS... And NPR, PBS worse, I think, than NPR ever since Gwen Ifill died.
	Yes, agreed.
	We're sad.
	Are mouthpieces for the Democrat Party.
	There's no question about it.
	We've analyzed these stories.
	We play them on the show.
	And we go and we see it point by point.
	And if you go to my favorite thing, which I like to ridicule, which is the Brooks and Capehart bit comedy show on the News Hour every Friday.
	Who's on first?
	Brooks or Capehart?
	And they go on agreeing with each other about what a dick Donald Trump is.
	And that's the whole analysis.
	And we've seen it before where they have two sides of the same argument.
	There's not two sides to an argument, but they take an argument and put two people on it that are on the same side and they debate each other and there's no other opposing views.
	And it's classic because...
	They have no opposing views on PBS about a number of topics.
	It's all anti-Republican, is what it amounts to.
	The funny thing is, do you remember that I did a, I think it was, I don't know if it was a speech, a keynote, or a roundtable for NPR, and Jarl Mohn was there?
	Jarl, formerly known as...
	I vaguely remember this story.
	Yeah, he's the guy that hired me at MTV when he was known as Lee Masters, everybody!
	WWMME, Lee Masters in the afternoon!
	And then he became Jarl Mon.
	Yeah, Lee Masters, right, the Lee Masters story.
	Yes, and Lee was...
	I liked him a lot.
	He was a good guy.
	The guy who came in, John Reardon, screwed him, screwed him right out of his MTV CEO position.
	It was his buddy, too.
	It was quite ugly how that went down.
	But Lee had done a good thing, because Lee is a commercial kind of guy.
	He had gotten a $100 million, what do you call it, endowment from some old bag who had $100 million, and he secured that.
	Some old bag.
	Some old bag.
	Jeez.
	Come on.
	What kind of a show are we doing here?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	We're ages.
	We're horrible.
	From some old bag, and it was $100 million.
	And they squandered that on podcasting.
	That's what happens.
	And by the way, NPR as podcasts, perfectly fine.
	It's a very good idea.
	Pair it down.
	To get down to small teams...
	Oh, they're so overproduced.
	They're like, you know, NPR has a certain sound that everyone likes to ridicule.
	It's a dead sound, dead room, close micing, the whole thing.
	Good afternoon, John.
	How are you doing?
	Look, look, look.
	Although you have squeaky voices coming on more and more, the low testosterone voices and kind of dingbat women.
	But besides that...
	The classic sound is a certain kind of a classic sound.
	NPR. And you hear a lot of breathing.
	Yes, NPR. That's right.
	Look, you could put Heather and the Weinstein team on.
	They're like NPR. Oh, yes.
	Well, we're talking about this horrible COVID restrictions.
	Exactly.
	The point I was going to make was...
	The NPR sound is actually worsened by their podcast.
	Their podcast is on more NPR. It's like everybody's on a podcast.
	An NPR podcast to me.
	Seems like guys auditioning to be on NPR. Oh, it's where the farm team goes.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, so they're all the D League.
	You want to be on the air where really nobody listens?
	And so they're going out of their way.
	They put a lot of work into it, a lot of extra work.
	They've got extra producers.
	It's a money loser.
	And so everybody just wants to move up to the A team.
	The A-team is filled with a bunch of low testosterone squeaky voices.
	So here, once again, is the opportunity.
	Jump in with your hyper-local podcast.
	You can take the audience from any small town, burg, or even city easily, easily by doing just stuff about your city, where you live.
	NPR will be gone.
	They have the capability.
	They have the people, but they have to make less money, and they would have to...
	You know, spend less.
	I mean, I can produce the way they produce.
	I could produce Radiolabs.
	Radiolabs.
	I could do that.
	You just did it.
	Yeah, see, that's how you do it.
	Radio labs.
	Yeah, I did that on the fly.
	Don't even have to edit it.
	So...
	They're all going to be doing podcasts.
	Pushing buttons.
	I guarantee you that the next so-called M5M person who goes to a podcast will be from NPR. And I hope it's Brooke Gladstone.
	The people that are in NPR right now, they're not high profile enough.
	And Brooke Gladstone is B-level in terms of profile.
	There's nobody except for John Yang maybe.
	You don't need a profile.
	You don't need a profile.
	No.
	The next person that becomes a podcast is going to be another mainstream media network dude like Chuck.
	Chuck.
	Chip Todd.
	But look, when we started No Agenda, it took us four or five years before there was any question of quitting the day job.
	We built it up.
	I had a profile.
	You had a profile.
	What does it take?
	Grinding, baby.
	Grinding.
	You got to grind to make it work.
	You can't just waltz in.
	The media landscape doesn't work like that anymore.
	I hooked up the TV in the studio.
	It never has worked like that.
	I hooked up the TV in the studio.
	It's on the wall now.
	Are you going to be watching TV while doing the show?
	No, it's off now.
	I don't do that while doing the show.
	Trump concedes there may be some pain over sweeping U.S. tariffs.
	Breaking.
	So you just hit it and you say, configure.
	It's a Samsung.
	It's an old one.
	It's probably five years old.
	Samsung.
	And then it says, select your network.
	So I selected my internet, the Wi-Fi.
	And it went through in about five minutes.
	It got me 600 over-the-air DTV channels.
	It got all kinds of...
	600?
	Yeah.
	546, I think.
	You have 500 broadcasters in the...
	Signals, yeah.
	Coming into Fredericksburg?
	Yes.
	I only have 120. I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area, and I'm right by the towers.
	Yeah, but I'm near San Antonio and Austin.
	There's a lot of different people.
	There's Chinese.
	There's tons of Latin stuff.
	500?
	Yeah, but one station may have five or six different channels.
	No, I understand.
	I know how it works.
	546. Yeah, one station can have five subchannels, but it's beside the point.
	546, yeah.
	I got all kinds of stuff.
	But besides that, then Samsung loaded up all kinds of Samsung TV. Pluto pops up.
	No, no.
	That was in addition.
	It was in addition.
	No, I know.
	My LG set does that too.
	And you have to turn that off because they only do that.
	That's a scam.
	To spy on me.
	Those phony channels.
	To spy on me.
	Yeah, because you have to agree to a bunch of spyware to watch those bullcrap channels.
	I turn them off.
	I just got an email.
	They're asking for $2,000 in Bitcoin because they saw what I was doing in my studio.
	The TV is watching me.
	Anyway, my point is that there is no more monopoly.
	No one cares about linear-based media.
	People, the whole gaping hole is the locals, there's nothing local.
	When we had Snowmageddon in Austin, the NPR station had, hi, it's Brooke Gladstone, this American life.
	They had to go to like the top 40 station, only the morning show, because the rest was all syndicated.
	No one does anything local anymore.
	So they've all priced themselves out of the market.
	And then, funny enough, when Marco Rubio, our Secretary of State, Goes out to do his very first interview.
	Very first interview.
	Who does he choose?
	Who?
	Megyn Kelly.
	Oh, good for her.
	There was a conference call between President Trump and the Danish Prime Minister.
	Apparently it didn't go very well.
	Reportedly involved some sort of a meltdown on the Prime Minister's part.
	They don't want to give it up.
	So what does that...
	What options does that leave us?
	Because President Trump did not rule out economic or potentially military use.
	Well, I think President Trump, what he has said publicly is he wants to buy it.
	He wants to pay for it.
	And how we worked on something like that, how something like that is approached obviously is probably done better in the appropriate forms.
	A lot of the stuff is done publicly and it's not helpful because it puts the other side in a tough spot domestically.
	So those conversations are going to happen.
	But this is not a joke.
	It's not a joke.
	People have talked about it for years.
	This is not about acquiring land for the purpose of acquiring land.
	This is in our national interest and it needs to be solved.
	President Trump's put out there what he intends to do, which is to purchase it.
	I wasn't privy to that phone call, but I imagine the phone call went the way a lot of these phone calls go, and that is he just speaks bluntly and frankly with people.
	And ultimately, I think diplomacy in many cases works better when you're straightforward as opposed to using platitudes and language that translates to nothing.
	Yes, this is what we've always said.
	America should be run by a business guy.
	So let's look forward four years.
	Does the U.S. own Greenland?
	We'll see.
	I mean, obviously, that's the president's priority, and he has made that point.
	I think that what I can tell you about four years without getting into specifics, because I don't...
	No, I don't know.
	Because I don't know.
	I don't have a crystal ball, Megan.
	Exactly how we'll proceed tactically.
	What I think you can rest assured of is that four years from now, our interest in the Arctic will be more secure.
	Our interest in the Panama Canal will be more secure.
	Our partnerships in the Western Hemisphere will be stronger.
	Yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	So Denmark came back.
	Denmark is going public with their strategy.
	You're not going to believe this.
	Deutsche Welle had the scoop.
	Should Denmark prepare for a possible military attack by the United States?
	The president of the European Council considered it necessary to say that the territorial integrity of Denmark is a crucial issue for the European Union.
	And that was in reaction to what U.S. President Donald Trump has repeatedly said, namely that the U.S. wants control of the Arctic island of Greenland.
	Trump has refused to exclude the use of force to seize it.
	If you don't know, Greenland is an autonomous territory that is in the Kingdom of Denmark.
	Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen received backing from European allies over the issue on visits to Berlin and Paris this week.
	She's repeatedly said the island is not for sale.
	The latest survey of Greenlanders shows that 85% do not want to belong to the United States.
	So then they bring on a lady from the Atlantic Council, who's there in Denmark.
	By the way, that Fredrickson lady, she's a beast.
	She's like eight feet tall.
	Have you seen her wearing cowboy boots?
	Which she should take off right away.
	You can't wear cowboy boots.
	You're not American yet.
	So they bring in the lady from the Atlantic Council.
	You won't believe this strategy.
	It's fantastic.
	I'm joined now by Elizabeth Brawl.
	She's a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council's Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security.
	And you write that Denmark doesn't have to be a pushover for Donald Trump when it comes to Greenland.
	So tell us, how can the Danes hit the U.S. not below the waist, but actually directly in the waistline?
	As your viewers may know, Ozempic is the drug of the moment in the United States.
	Hugely popular weight loss drug.
	And Ozempic is made by Nova Nordisk, a Danish company that also happens to be Europe's most valuable or second most valuable company, depending on what day of the year you're looking.
	And the Usambik is a Danish product, and it's one of several products made by Danish companies that are very popular in the United States.
	Lego is also very popular.
	And masks, the shipping company, supplies.
	Close Legoland!
	These are Danish companies that are indispensable to the United States daily functioning.
	If they were not to be available, that would be a problem.
	Okay, before I play the final clip.
	Oh, brother, okay.
	You know, I'm going to give you a borderline clip of the day for that stupidity.
	Now, this is so perfect for America.
	We love this stuff.
	Just like you said, all right, we're going to close Legoland.
	We're opening up Erector Set Land.
	We don't need plastic from Norway.
	We have Lincoln Logs.
	We don't need your stupid...
	How about Duplo?
	Duplo is the fake Legos.
	Duplo probably comes from China.
	Yeah, right.
	Those things.
	The Chinese will move in and take this over in a minute.
	No problem.
	And what has Lego really done for us?
	It's only hurt me.
	Stepping on them in the middle of the night.
	Yeah, you step on the damn things.
	The kits go nuts.
	They're no good.
	They want these kits.
	The kits cost a fortune.
	They're outrageous.
	It's like Space Station Moon.
	Yeah.
	What is it?
	40 bucks.
	What?
	It's just a bunch of Legos in a box.
	So, all right.
	Why don't you keep your Ozempic?
	There's plenty other.
	There's Deathbound.
	We got...
	We've got all kinds of other products.
	And by the way, GLP-1 is not patented.
	I think it's public domain by now, isn't it?
	GLP-1?
	Yeah, it's like, well, we have special...
	Well, listen to this.
	We have special stuff.
	We've got some extra bits that you don't have in America.
	I just want to be clear on this.
	Zipic is not produced in the United States, so if Denmark wanted to stop production in Denmark and say no more for the U.S., it could basically turn the supply of Zipic in the U.S. to zero.
	Some components of Ozempic are manufactured in the United States, but not the active components.
	And without the active components, you don't have the medication that you need to produce.
	So that gives Denmark considerable leverage.
	Now, Novo Nordic has been planning to expand Ozempic manufacturing in the United States, but it's not able to manufacture the entire drug from scratch in the United States, even if it wanted to.
	And that means that if Novo Nordisk were to be told by the Danish government not to ship its products to the United States anymore, then OSMPIC would not be available to American users, consumers.
	Patients anymore.
	That is basically your GDP is those two companies.
	Let's just shoot our own company in the head.
	Not in the foot, but in the head.
	By cutting off the main market for Ozempic, which is a bunch of fat Americans that are too lazy to exercise and would rather just take a shot in the gut.
	We are the best.
	Go ahead.
	Let's cut that off.
	That'll show us.
	We got by when we were fat.
	We did okay.
	We did okay.
	Oh, man.
	We'll just, you know, RFK Jr., we don't need you.
	He's going to make us healthy again.
	Oh, man, I got to play this for you.
	My hate listen.
	Pivot.
	Pivot.
	It was just because this was so amazing.
	This is like your new drug.
	Oh, no, it's not new.
	I've been mainlining it for years.
	I know, I love it.
	Very unhealthy.
	So they're talking about Bobby the Op, RFK Jr. And, of course, it's an outrage.
	He's going to bring back polio.
	We're all going to die.
	So we'll start with this.
	And they had Reid Hoffman on.
	The whole show.
	So this was like...
	My hate listen, plus some chocolate sprinkles.
	Reid Hoffman.
	He's from LinkedIn, right?
	Yep.
	Yeah, LinkedIn.
	Okay, here we go.
	The fat guy from LinkedIn who's just a big Democrat.
	Exactly.
	A fat Democrat.
	A fattocrat.
	Here we go.
	He is being paid to fine people to sue Gardasil.
	An HPV vaccine that so far has shown to reduce cervical cancer in women by 90%.
	I don't think it's 90%, but okay.
	I don't know if either of you know it.
	By the way, stop.
	That is a meme.
	I've heard it before exactly the same way, put in the same sentence, and Gardasil has really got their worried sick.
	Because we noticed, we talked about this when it first came out, it's not a good product.
	No, we don't think it's a good product.
	It certainly doesn't stop more than, I think, three strains of...
	Cervical cancer.
	But the funniest bit is still to come.
	To reduce cervical cancer in women by 90%.
	I don't know if either of you have known anyone with cervical cancer.
	I have.
	My God, we have...
	I guess you didn't advise your friends to take HPV. We have something that can prevent 9 out of 10 times this vicious, awful disease.
	And we have the head of HHS being paid...
	To try and discourage and financially damage that miracle?
	This guy has no business at HHS. Wait for it.
	It's a miracle.
	It's a miracle.
	He is probably the most dangerous of the nominees in terms of what it could mean long-term without attribution, where in 10 years we wake up and go...
	Oh, cervical cancer is back and reverse engineer it to this individual who is blatantly, repeatedly anti-vaccine.
	I think this is awful.
	I made my sons get it immediately.
	What?
	I almost fell over when I heard that.
	Cervical cancer, women with cervical cancer.
	I made my sons get it immediately.
	Okay.
	Oh my God.
	Now we're going to bring in Reid Hoffman.
	This is the new meme about Bobby.
	So look, I think the unfortunate prediction for RFK's probable confirmation is it will probably be measured in thousands of American lives lost.
	I think that the question around...
	I love that, right?
	Right?
	It's Silicon Valley talk.
	When you say something that is just unbelievable, right?
	Probable confirmation is it will probably be measured in thousands of American lives lost.
	Right?
	I think that the question around the fact that he's saying, I'm just following science, no, he's not.
	Right?
	It's just, it's not only is he anti-vaccine in, you know, many, many statements over decades.
	Like, he's essentially anti-science.
	Like, I've heard of meetings where he is meeting with scientists where the scientists try to tell him, no, no, you're supposed to listen to me.
	It's like, no, no, the whole point is to listen to good scientists.
	And I think this will be...
	If this confirmation goes through, I think the senators who vote on it should track how many thousands of American lives they're willing to spend in this calculus.
	Because if any of the things that he has articulated and talked about, I think the cost is going to be measured in lives.
	The cost is going to be measured in lives.
	Lives killed or created.
	Okay, so that was Reid Hoffman.
	Now comes the kicker, the absolute kicker.
	There's a kicker?
	Yeah, it's a 14-second kicker.
	Not everybody will understand this one, but you certainly will.
	Have you been surprised by how many tech people have been attracted to him?
	I'm not going to leave out Nicole Shanahan.
	She was not a tech person.
	She's just a rich person who married a tech person and got money that way.
	Hello, pot, kettle.
	Yeah, because she is married to, what's her name, from Google.
	Yeah, that's how Kara Swisher got rich.
	Yeah, because Kara's basically, her claim to fame when I knew her.
	Was being on Silicon Spin.
	No, well, she was on Silicon Spin, but her claim to fame was she wrote a book about AOL. Yes, exactly.
	That's it.
	And her book about AOL was just like a classic, you know, I don't know if you want to, there's terms for these kinds of books.
	It's just a throwaway.
	Crap?
	Is that the term?
	Crap?
	No, it's actually a technical term for the kind of book she wrote.
	It doesn't, again.
	Yeah, it's not a good day.
	It's not a good day.
	Too much sleep.
	Not enough sleep.
	That's what it is.
	Science fiction?
	Is that what it's called?
	Science fiction?
	No, it's like cut and paste.
	It's a term I've long lost, but it's a book where you throw stuff together based on most work that other people did.
	Ghost written?
	It's a research book.
	No, it's a research book.
	You just do a bunch of stuff that's out there and you package it.
	Coloring book?
	Yeah, it's a coloring book.
	Let me get back to the point.
	So she...
	She was brought on the Silicon Spin because of this book, and it was obvious to me that she'd know nothing about it.
	She was not a techie by any means.
	I mean, the people that we had on that show were technical people.
	Yes.
	And a lot of them were engineers, and we had a lot of CEOs and, you know, that type of guy.
	But the CEO, startup CEOs, the guys who knew what they were doing.
	And she was never that way.
	She was just a good talker.
	She was a good talker.
	And she was married to Megan.
	Yeah, and I think she made a lot of money out of the divorce.
	Yeah, I'm sure she did.
	Right, so she's saying Nicole Shanahan, she's not a techie, she just married a tech guy and got a lot of money out of it.
	It's like, come on, projecting.
	A pop-up book is being suggested.
	It's a pop-up book.
	Well, she also got, she also worked with, she had this show, Kara did with this, eventually she went on to work with, Walt Mossberg.
	Yes, yes, at the Wall Street Journal and had the D3 conference.
	A real, actual, unlike myself, an actual curmudgeon who thought his shit didn't stink and he was just a blowhard of high regard.
	I am thankful, though, to Walt and Kara.
	As it was at the D3 conference that Steve Jobs invited me to come have a meeting with her.
	So, in a way, Kara, she should have just claimed that.
	If it wasn't for me, Curry never would have spoken to Jobs, never would have gotten into podcasting, never would have happened.
	She could.
	She'd do it.
	He's not a techie, he's just a VJ. She could go there.
	They're still shopping their show.
	I know better.
	Yeah, you do.
	You're more of a techie than a VJ. Shh, don't tell anybody.
	But you do like your voice.
	I certainly like my own voice, yes.
	Let's do tariffs, John, because everyone's going crazy.
	It came out Friday.
	Tariffs.
	We're going for tariffs.
	Big, beautiful.
	The most beautiful word in the dictionary is tariffs.
	And I see you have some clips.
	I have three clips on tariffs.
	I could have had a couple more I was going to get last night, but I was getting late.
	I said, screw it.
	The BBC had some...
	Oh, actually, I actually have a BBC tariffs clip.
	Why don't you play the BBC tariffs clip?
	Then I'm going to play these clips.
	These clips are mostly analysis, and they all come, I believe, from NPR. For decades, trade wars looked to be a thing of the past.
	The future instead seemed to belong to globalisation, to China and to the big regional trading blocs.
	No more.
	From today, Saturday, the United States says it's imposing tariffs on its three biggest trading partners.
	Speaking at the White House on Friday, President Trump said he would deliver on his campaign pledge to impose tough tariffs on imports from China, Canada and Mexico.
	About a $200 billion deficit with Canada getting close to $200 billion.
	They've treated us very unfairly.
	And I say, why should we be subsidizing Canada?
	You know, it's wonderful.
	I have so many friends in Canada.
	It's a great place.
	We'll see what happens.
	And with Mexico, it's the same thing.
	Wonderful friends.
	$250 billion deficit.
	As we record this podcast, it's still not clear if there'll be any exemptions.
	But the threat of high tariffs brought this response from the former Bank of England Governor Mark Carney, who's currently on the campaign trail to take over as leader of the Liberal Party and as Canadian Prime Minister from Justin Trudeau.
	I think President Trump probably thinks that we in Canada will cave in, but we're...
	We are going to stand up to a bully.
	We're not going to back down.
	We're united.
	And we will retaliate.
	Ultimately, the steps that the president is taking against Canada, contemplating, I guess, as well against Mexico, China, others, and threatening the world are going to rebound negatively on the United States.
	They're going to hit growth.
	They're going to move up inflation.
	They're going to raise interest rates.
	They're going to damage the U.S.'s reputation around the world.
	It might be good before you get into your analysis clips to explain what a trade deficit is and how it works.
	Because no one in the M5M does that.
	No one explains when Trump says they're ripping us off $200 billion.
	There's no explanation.
	And I'd love to hear it myself.
	Well, you know what it is.
	It's like I'm making a product.
	Let's say coffee mugs.
	And I like to export my coffee mugs, and so I export $50 million worth of coffee mugs to China.
	And so China makes coffee mugs.
	This is the funny thing about world trade.
	Caterpillar sends Caterpillar devices over to China.
	They send their device over to us.
	I send a forklift to China.
	China sends a forklift that they make over here.
	Better example, we buy beef.
	That comes from China and we send our Texas beef over there to be sold like caviar.
	We buy pork probably.
	That's their business to how they sell the product.
	But the point is that I'm going to go back to the simple mugs.
	So I make $50 million worth of mugs.
	I send $50 million worth of mugs to China.
	They make $100 million worth of mugs and they send our country $100 million.
	We're in the whole $50 million.
	So that's the trade deficit is that we're sending X amount over there, they're sending X times 2 over here.
	So our outflow is going to them instead of coming this way.
	So the money, we're just basically throwing money away.
	And this is done, this is created usually by the cost of labor or the efficiencies of the business or the fact that the Chinese are subsidizing, governments subsidizing their companies or they all own the companies.
	There's a lot of different reasons for it, but you end up with Canada.
	They're sending more product to us than we send to them.
	They're either not buying our product, or they're blocking our products, or they're marketing against our products, whatever the case is.
	It's not balanced.
	And what Trump always wants, and everybody wants, is balanced trade, which is you send $500 million over to us, we send you $500 million of something else.
	And that's the idea of world trade, is that it's supposed to be all balanced.
	You get so lopsided.
	That you're in the hold of these countries, and that's the balance of trade.
	That's what it's referring to.
	And was that the original idea with the World Trade Organization, that it would all be balanced?
	The World Trade Organization was set up to make sure that the system worked right, so you didn't have these kinds of...
	That's why the Chinese are going...
	With this 10% that Trump said he's going to...
	Ah, 10% China, everything.
	Right.
	Which included a lot of stuff.
	But it won't really mean much, because China stuff is so cheap anyway.
	But they're going to immediately, and they've done this before, they go to the WTO, which they were given membership.
	They go crying?
	Yeah.
	And last time they went to the WTO, the WTO ruled in their favor, and we had to pull back some tariffs of some sort.
	And they're going to do it again.
	They already said that, and it was discussed in the BBC reports that I heard, Chinese are just going to bitch to the WTO and, you know, tell us to pound salt.
	I don't think they're going to get it.
	They haven't done anything.
	The real tariff that nobody wants to talk about is the 100% tariff that Trump has, and I think this has been going on since first Trump, Trump won, on electric vehicles.
	But that's why our...
	We see no Chinese electric cars on the road.
	We don't see BYD, which is probably the fastest-growing car company in the world.
	And I think they'll surpass Toyota in the next...
	No, they can do sponsorships on NPR. Instead of the Toyota Tercel, they can do the BYD. By the way, when was the last time Toyota made a Tercel?
	Yeah, well, that's how old those people are at NPR. That's how they think, I think, in those terms.
	They saw WNPR. Brought to you by Toyota Tercel.
	I mean, I can't explain it any better than that.
	Okay, good.
	No, that's good.
	I appreciate it.
	It just means you're not selling enough.
	You're not exporting enough.
	You must understand that some of our younger listeners have never had this education.
	They don't know.
	It's not taught in school.
	They should be teaching civics in school before anything.
	Well, true.
	All right, let's get into your analysis.
	Okay, so we're going to start with, I guess this is from PBS now that I think about it.
	But we'll find out by hearing the voices.
	Here we go with the tariff intro.
	America's biggest trading partners are bracing for sweeping tariffs that President Trump is imposing.
	25% on imports from Canada and Mexico, except 10% on energy products from Canada.
	Tariff threats have been a bargaining chip in Mr. Trump's effort to get America's neighbors to curb the flow of migrants and drugs into the United States.
	Together, Canada, Mexico, and China account for nearly half of all U.S. imports.
	And tariffs could mean higher prices for American consumers.
	Ali Rogan explores the trickle-down effects of these tariffs with Martina Steves-Gridna.
	She's the Canadian bureau chief for The New York Times.
	And before we get into that, you know, we have the USMCA. And the USMCA allows in this year, I believe, For the President of the United States, uniquely the President of the United States, to renegotiate the deal, if we don't like how it's going, that was a big deal to put that in.
	Another one of our fine deals where, hey, we don't like what you're doing.
	Well, then don't do business with us.
	So we put that in there.
	I believe that the workaround here is by saying, I'm doing it for...
	Immigration and drug trafficking.
	I think that's a workaround.
	Because how is he actually going to measure this and say, oh, well, we got less fentanyl.
	How do we know this?
	Well, this is the interesting thing about it, because what you just said there is kind of what I'm thinking.
	I have a skeptical thought in my mind when he introduces the New York Times bureau chief.
	I'm thinking New York Times, oh, this will be interesting from Canada.
	I said, and I started recording it for this reason.
	I said, oh, this is going to be a gem.
	It turns out I was completely wrong.
	She's really good at analyzing this.
	Except the one thing that keeps cropping up with everybody who talks about this is, oh, the Mexicans.
	We're going to be suffering because of the avocados.
	They keep bringing avocados up like we're going to die.
	Remember, Super Bowl Sunday is next week.
	We're all going to die if we don't have our avocados.
	We need our guac.
	Without guac, there's no game.
	Well, guac and avocado toast, don't forget that.
	Oh, woo!
	All the young kids.
	So, you know, you can...
	Well, you know what?
	Just not to change the subject completely, but I will say, I've talked about this on the show before, if you can get Peruvian...
	Yeah, they're better.
	They're better?
	Yeah.
	And, of course, we do grow avocados in California, which are quite good.
	The Mexican avocados are actually, I think, second rate, but that's just my thing.
	But, you know, they're from California.
	They're commivados.
	We don't want any communist avocados.
	We want a good Mexican avocado, but you're right.
	That's the only thing.
	It's tequila.
	Tomatoes.
	That's the other one.
	You're right.
	Tequila.
	You're not going to get any more tequila.
	I mean, is anyone sitting at home like, oh, no.
	Oh, no.
	What am I going to do?
	We'll drink bourbon.
	Whatever.
	It's fine.
	All right.
	We'll go to tariff two.
	Matina, thank you so much for joining us.
	Mexican and Canadian officials have said they plan to impose retaliatory tariffs.
	What is the effect on Americans in all this?
	I think the immediate effect, or experts say the immediate effect is going to be inflation, is going to be higher prices, a disruption of several industries that are so closely linked to Canada and Mexico.
	Things such as avocados or even vehicles could become much more expensive for Americans really quickly.
	You mentioned some of the consumer items, but what do we know about what sectors of the U.S. economy are going to be most affected by these tariffs going into effect?
	The Canadian government is certainly going to be imposing retaliatory tariffs in key industries in the US that they think will hurt the most.
	Because they're trying to change the course of this policy.
	They want to exert maximum pain.
	And that could include anything from Kentucky bourbon, they've told me, to orange juice coming from California, to dishwashers made in Wisconsin.
	So they have a long list of goods that they believe that they can impose tariffs on made in the United States, and they will want to disrupt those industries in the U.S. as quickly as possible.
	And of course, the economies and the people of Canada and Mexico are going to be impacted as well.
	What are the consequences for people in those two countries?
	Absolutely.
	The U.S. will hurt, but Mexico and Canada will hurt more and faster.
	We expect, for example, in Canada, the country will probably tip into a recession of 2.6 percent, experts tell us here.
	We expect hundreds of thousands of jobs to be affected, half a million jobs just here in Ontario, where I live.
	And also the availability of certain goods will be disrupted as these tariffs come into play.
	The pain will be longer for those two smaller economies than it will be for the United States.
	You know, for years, since the beginning of this program, in its 18th year now, we have always given Canada a break.
	Like, if you support us with 200 Canadian dollars, which now is, like, what is it?
	67 cents a dollar, I think.
	No, it's like $150.
	But we still give you the associate executive producer credit.
	I mean, is it time to reevaluate that?
	Should we be more patriotic?
	Should we be consolidated with, what would it be, compadre with Trump?
	We should go with Trump.
	Yeah, we should do tariffs.
	And cut this Canadian.
	No!
	I will say, no, we're not going to do that because we're not a political show at all.
	We very rarely talk about politics.
	But will there be a rift between Americans and Canadians?
	Will the Canadian dollar fall even further is the question I'd be asking as far as donations are concerned.
	We'll still support you, Canada.
	We love you guys.
	You're a producer.
	You're in Gitmo Nation.
	You're not in a country.
	You're in Gitmo.
	I'll talk about this later in the show, but we had the Albany meet-up.
	Yeah, I can't wait to hear about it.
	Which was very entertaining in this meet-up.
	I saw a picture.
	You looked very entertained.
	Well, I don't know if I'd look entertained ever.
	No, you don't.
	You look like, they're taking a picture of me.
	Oh, yeah, I don't like the pictures.
	Anyway, so it came up in the conversation, though, that we've lost all of our Australian donors.
	And supporters.
	We have nobody.
	I think we had one last show.
	One.
	From New South Wales.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And we're starting to lose our English supporters.
	Well, they're not allowed.
	They're afraid to support us.
	I don't even want to hear the show anymore.
	I don't know.
	We may be blocked.
	It's possible.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that people just hate us because we're Americans?
	Is that where this is going?
	No, I think that...
	I'm not sure where it's going or why it's happening, but I think these...
	Maybe they're not getting enough attention from us, even though we do produce a lot of material.
	Well, the attention they get from us is usually not positive.
	Yeah, we're giving them too much negative attention.
	We're moaning and groaning about the Brits and their censorship.
	I'm looking at the list.
	We have one Dutch producer, one Italian producer, one from Portugal, and one...
	From Western Australia.
	One from Japan.
	And...
	Oh, there's a couple of...
	There's a couple of sustaining donors from the UK. I see one from Belgium.
	But yeah.
	Well, maybe that's our own fault.
	I don't know.
	I can't help it.
	I can't help it that you guys are lost.
	Your government is lost, at least.
	We do grouse about the EU more than any other podcast.
	Maybe they don't like the mirror.
	Like, look what's happening.
	That's possible.
	Well, we're sorry.
	We're sorry, but we don't do the show the way we do this show.
	We can't do anything about it.
	No, we can't help that.
	We're trying to be entertaining.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, trying.
	All right, third clip here?
	Yeah.
	President Trump has threatened these tariffs as a bargaining tactic.
	Is this an effective way to regulate what he says are his ultimate goals, which are limiting immigration and fentanyl trafficking?
	He's been very effective already on the question of borders, which was the first thing he said he was trying to extract out of these tariffs.
	Both Canada and Mexico have played ball.
	They have complied with Mr. Trump's demands for changes at the borders.
	For example, the Mexican government has supported and assisted him in his deportation efforts this week of irregular migrants taking thousands of people into Mexico.
	Irregular migrants?
	Really?
	Is that the term now?
	Irregular migrants.
	What size are you, irregular?
	... of irregular migrants taking thousands of people into Mexico.
	Canada has bolstered its border with the United States, has deployed Blackhawks, drones, and additional staff.
	And they have said that they are seeing a real drop in irregular crossings from Canada to the United States.
	But the question in both Mexico and Canada is Is that enough to change Mr. Trump's mind?
	And it's really not clear that it will be.
	These are some of the most ambitious trade moves that President Trump has made in either of his administrations.
	This coming so soon in the beginning of his second term in the White House.
	How are Canadian and Mexican officials receiving it in terms of how to deal with President Trump going forward for the rest of his term?
	We've seen a really different attitude from Canada and from Mexico.
	Mexico has mostly been quite steely, a little more aggressive in its rhetoric, but working behind the scenes.
	The Canadian government has tried to be a little more conciliatory while also threatening to retaliate with its own terrorists.
	But, for example, its foreign minister, Canada's foreign minister, was in Washington, D.C. up until last night trying to change the course of this policy through diplomacy.
	Obviously, that didn't work.
	I think one of the concerns going forward in both countries and their officials is going to be, what does Mr. Trump really want from us?
	How can we truly change this?
	And as we escalate into practically a North American trade war, as these three countries exchange retaliatory tariffs, what is the off-ramp?
	How do we stop this?
	Trade war!
	Yeah.
	Well, we're in one.
	We're in one because now the way this show works, John has all his clips done typically Saturday evening.
	I do my clips in the morning and we have retaliation.
	We have retaliation.
	Mexico first.
	It looks like Cloudy Shine by mistake is going to go pretty equally.
	So the United States is talking about 25 percent and they're going to really try and punish U.S. exporters to Mexico in the same kind of level.
	Already, people, there's been predictions that if this happens, Mexico will go into recession, you know, within a few months of this trade war going into effect.
	And you'll see, you know, you have about half a trillion dollars worth of trade.
	Mexico is, in fact, the biggest trade partner with the United States in the world now, bigger than China or Canada.
	And so many goods, including things like avocados, which are very popular in game day coming up next Sunday, will be prices going up and all of these kind of things.
	So it will be a really, really big impact.
	A lot worse for Mexico, but the United States will feel it as well.
	I think most people seeing this thought Donald Trump was bluffing.
	It was a form of putting pressure on Mexico, effectively, to crack down.
	But as we talk about in Canada, it's unsure what he's really after.
	Does he really want to change the whole trade arrangement and feels that people who are importing goods to the United States should be paying for that privilege?
	And so kind of basically changing the whole idea of free trade in this region.
	Free trade, yes, exactly.
	So that's Mexico.
	Before you go to Canada, I want to mention that there is one thing that I don't have the clip of.
	It may have been on the BBC clips.
	The mention that the president of Mexico, the woman, Sheinberg, she is irked by the fact that Trump claims these cartels are running the country and that the government is corrupt.
	This is obviously going on, and it's an insult.
	To her, that, oh, we got no, there's no corruption in Mexico.
	Right.
	Meanwhile, we're shooting it back and forth with cartel at the border, who are now a terrorist organization.
	I mean, you know what?
	It's interesting that there was almost no one, no reports really about the ISIS strike.
	I have one.
	The one in Somalia?
	Yeah, we'll get to that in a minute then.
	Because there was very little about that.
	I do have the clip.
	No coverage whatsoever.
	I noticed this too.
	Very little coverage.
	Justin Trudeau took a different tactic.
	You heard a France 24 report there about Mexico.
	And he spoke directly to the American people.
	Now, they couldn't mic him properly, which was very...
	Good work.
	Really unfortunate.
	So I had to do some...
	Some NPR-level filtering, but here it is.
	First, I want to speak directly to Americans, our closest friends in there.
	Closest friends.
	This is a choice that, yes, will harm Canadians, but beyond that, it will have real consequences for you, the American people.
	So, he says, yes, this will hurt Americans, or hurt us.
	Canadians, but it will have real consequences for you American people.
	As I have consistently said, tariffs against Canada will put your jobs at risk, potentially shutting down American auto assembly plants and other manufacturing facilities.
	Is that true?
	Will it shut down American auto plants?
	Well, see, this is what's going to end up happening, in my opinion.
	There's more to it, but we'll just...
	We're doing so...
	What?
	There's more to the clip, but we'll just stop it as we go along.
	I was just going to say that we do have parts manufacturing in Canada and Mexico that go into our cars that are built here, and some of the cars are built in Mexico, and some of the cars are built in Canada.
	And so that is an issue, which I think is something I think maybe...
	It may bring it to the fore to the point where we bring some of these manufacturing...
	Over here.
	...back to the...
	which is what Trump wants.
	That's the whole point.
	Because we have...
	our manufacturing is down to tubes and we've got to bring it all back.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It will raise costs for you.
	Including food at the grocery store, gas at the pump.
	Hey, we're ready for it, Justin.
	We're ready to hand it.
	We'll shoulder the burden.
	It's like a game of chicken watching these, you know, and they haven't got the...
	Well, I've thought about it.
	We're driving a Semi and they're driving a Chevy.
	I've thoughts about it.
	They will impede your access to an affordable supply of vital goods crucial for U.S. security.
	Oh.
	Vital goods crucial for our security.
	We're in danger now.
	What are these vital goods?
	Such as nickel, potash, uranium, steel, and aluminum.
	They will violate...
	That's all you got?
	What about Molson beer?
	Free trade agreement that the president and I, along with our Mexican partner, negotiated and signed a few years ago.
	As I've said before.
	If President Trump wants to usher in a new golden age for the United States, the better path is to partner with Canada, not to punish us.
	As I'm thinking about this...
	What does he mean by that?
	Well, because he says, oh, just a few years ago, it was a little more than a few years ago that the USMCA was negotiated.
	Well, it really stems from the Clinton administration, to be honest about it.
	Yes.
	NAFTA. Right.
	But this was the modernization of NAFTA. It wasn't that different.
	And, you know, it's up for renegotiation, which is what all of this is about.
	Aboot.
	I mean, this could also trigger the financial meltdown if everyone goes into recession.
	I mean, is this in some ways maybe a setup?
	I mean, we've been waiting for this to happen.
	We've been waiting for things to trigger.
	And it's not minor, the stuff that's going on here.
	Yeah, China, I think, is pretty minor, the 10%.
	I'm not quite sure what that means or how much it will mean.
	I mean, will this ultimately result in people in America waking up and saying, let's get to work, Joe!
	Let's go build some stuff!
	No, well, we may be beyond that point.
	De-dollarization, maybe?
	Just everything just goes down?
	I mean, I don't know.
	I mean, it feels like there's a bigger plan behind this at play.
	It's clearly not just for immigration and fentanyl.
	There's just no way.
	We like our fentanyl.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like, it doesn't feel, that's clearly not being genuine.
	It's about trade.
	Because he says it all the time.
	I think it's about what I said a little while ago, which is getting industries to relocate back into the United States and get the foreign countries to open up here and invest in the country.
	Okay.
	I mean, it seems like a good idea.
	Well, I think President Trump needs to come out and say something publicly because now it's just little quotes like, there will be some pain.
	No, he needs to come out and he needs to say to the American people, he needs to get everybody together now.
	When he said the pain, that was just a clip of what he really said, which is there's going to be some pain, but the country will understand.
	Yeah, but he's got to do more.
	I'm just thinking out of the box.
	He's got to do more.
	What can he do?
	The weave!
	He needs to do the weave!
	I have to play the two clips after you're done with this.
	Go ahead.
	I call these clips TikTok clips.
	They're not always TikTok clips.
	These are the clips about the 10-day clips.
	Here's one of them.
	This is the talk 10-day clip.
	Do you get it now?
	It's been 10 days.
	It's only been 10 days.
	I saw a quote the other day, and it said, the people who aren't horrified, horrify me the most.
	It's been 10 days.
	What does this even mean?
	10 days of Trump.
	It's some sort of a sub-Rosa theme that's been going on.
	Here's the other one.
	Listen to this.
	Talk mental health 10 days.
	Have you checked on your American friends lately?
	Because we're not okay.
	The past 10 days has felt like a year.
	For so many of us right now, we cannot keep up with all of these horrific executive orders coming down hour after hour, day after day in the first 10 days.
	Add to that the first commercial plane crash in over a dozen years, claiming the lives of everyone involved.
	It is genuinely looking bleak over here for a lot of us.
	We are doing our best not to have our spirits crushed.
	And as somebody who works in mental health, I can tell you this feels like COVID all over again.
	It is my job to help other people day in and day out.
	And I'm struggling.
	And I know I am not the only one in this position.
	Healthcare providers in this country.
	Are struggling.
	I know we have so many allies all over the world, and we appreciate it so immensely.
	And there are so many things that I wish we could take a page from you right now, because in this country, we are going sideways so fast, and many of us do not know what to do to stop it.
	Thank you for listening.
	I needed to get that off my chest.
	Please go ahead and follow me on my other platforms.
	And then follow me.
	Slam the subscribe button.
	Give me a break.
	And so the next day, the next day, I watched Bill Maher on Friday.
	Yeah.
	Eleven days!
	Oh, really?
	There is something going on with the liberals and the number.
	Just 10 days, 11 days, they're doing some sort of a countdown.
	But these 10-day clips, those are only two dozen clips.
	I could have.
	Most of them are dumb.
	But it's always this 10 days.
	Oh, 10 days is 10 days is 10 days.
	So there's something going on.
	I think there is.
	You know, it's all empathy, which the number one thing I noticed is like the Selena Gomez, you know, crying because their own media favorites have psyoped them into believing that...
	The Trump stormtroopers are kicking down doors to schools and churches and rousting brown people, which is not true.
	It's only 200 more than Biden was deporting every single day.
	It's a bigger show, for sure, and the border is secured, for sure.
	They have a bit of a skewed view on reality, but on the other side...
	What a pathetic...
	Presentation.
	She had to take it down and she's got nothing but grief because everybody recorded it and they're replaying it.
	Oh, did you see the White House even did some kind of funny video with her?
	No.
	Yeah, of course.
	But then on the other side, the jubilance and the enthusiasm and the optimism from, I'm speaking about, you know, from the Fredericksburg circle.
	Is great.
	Everyone's, you know, excited.
	They're not even stomping that much on people.
	They're just walking around like, this is good.
	You know, there's a new sheriff in town.
	Things are changing.
	And boy, are they.
	I mean, the amount of cleaning up.
	And of course, it's just the beginning.
	And it's not, you know, as many of our producers point out, the middle management issues, the bad systems, they're still in place.
	But you look at like Kash Patel.
	What he will be able to do.
	This is all marketing, of course.
	Elon, who is the PR guy for Doge, because he knows that's all he does.
	Trump is using him perfectly for that.
	He's posting stuff like, Joe, just 10 days.
	He didn't say that, but he could have.
	We found that the Pentagon spends $600 million a year on sushi.
	I believe it.
	I believe it too.
	The Air Force pays $1,280 for paper cups and the IRS spends $230,000 a month on Starbucks cinnamon roast K-cups.
	This is the kind of stuff that...
	That people despise.
	And so they love it when this all comes out.
	And it's small.
	It's very small.
	Yeah, but it adds up.
	Of course it does.
	And then, you know, it's like, hey, Elon, I got another one for you.
	Go get the astronauts.
	Okay, I'll go save the astronauts, boss.
	No problem.
	Which I think is funny.
	You know, posting that the Treasury, the Secretary of the Treasury would just...
	Would never deny a payment, just pay anything, even if it was to corrupt criminal gangs and cartels and God knows what else.
	I actually have a somewhat longish Psaki clip of her...
	Lamenting the hostile takeover!
	On another piece of breaking news tonight, here in the nation's capital, where the Trump administration has conducted an unprecedented purge at the top levels of the FBI. An unprecedented purge!
	Administration officials have forced out all six of the FBI's most senior executives and multiple heads of various FBI field offices across the country, according to current and former FBI officials who spoke with NBC News.
	This hostile takeover of federal law enforcement, there's no other way to call it, included the high-profile leader of the Washington, D.C., field office, which was involved in the prosecutions of President Donald Trump.
	The Department of Justice also fired multiple federal prosecutors who conducted the criminal investigation of January 6 rioters, according to sources.
	Now, just to take a moment, a step back, and I know there's a lot of news you are consuming right now, but these are...
	Officials, these are not political officials.
	These are career law enforcement officials.
	Most of whom, all of whom, have worked under multiple Democratic and Republican administrations.
	They are not political appointees.
	Many do not even work in the FBI's Washington headquarters.
	Like Spencer Evans, who's a special agent in charge of the Bureau's Las Vegas field office.
	In a note obtained by NBC News, Evans writes, I was informed by FBI headquarters today that the executive leadership at the Department of Justice plans to dismiss me from the roles of the FBI, along with several other FBI executives, as soon as Monday morning.
	I was given no rationale for this decision, which, as you might imagine, has come as a shock.
	Shock.
	These firings are...
	Potentially devastating to the nation's ability to fight terrorism and corruption, investigate crime across the country.
	That's what the FBI does.
	But they are also not just about law enforcement officials in Washington.
	They're no doubt going to have an impact on the local communities they serve as well.
	We're going to be learning more about that, I'm certain, in the days ahead.
	And it's leaving a lot of these local FBI field offices across the country in a huge lurch.
	At the same time that Trump is purging the Bureau's ranks, multiple sources tell NBC News that the Office of the Acting Deputy Attorney General, former Trump Defense Attorney Emile Bovee, has asked the FBI for a list of employees involved in January 6th cases.
	Now, that could include case managers, technical workers, intelligence analysts, workers in almost basically every single field office the FBI has.
	As one former Bureau official told NBC News, This is a really, really big list.
	Yeah, really, really big.
	What is this thing where she goes off script and goes on and on about this Spencer Evans guy?
	The only one she names my name.
	Is she fucking the guy?
	I mean, there's something screwy about this.
	Maybe.
	I'm sorry.
	That may be her sources familiar with the matter.
	You don't know.
	You don't know.
	It's possible.
	Names of all FBI personnel involved in January 6th investigations and prosecutions must be submitted to the Attorney General's office.
	FBI cell phones have been confiscated.
	Many can no longer access email.
	Six of the seven executive assistant directors and 25 of the 56 special agents in charge have already been fired.
	Well, this is kind of what we wanted, you know.
	Yeah, that's exactly what we wanted.
	And the funny thing about this is not mentioned.
	This is without Kash Patel.
	Yeah, this is just happening.
	This is just happening.
	This is no...
	Where's Kash Patel?
	He got in there.
	Maybe they're getting...
	It looks like they're cleaning house before he arrives.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that they'll all get through with the threat of...
	with the threat of primarying different senators who vote against it, the threat from Shanahan and others?
	Shanahan's threat's a pretty major one.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that they'll all be confirmed?
	Tulsi, I've said this since the get-go, is that I think it's going to be like Hegseth.
	Hegseth barely got through.
	I think Kennedy's going to be the same way.
	He's going to barely get through.
	I'm surprised at the pushback he's getting.
	I do have the one clip with him and Bernie, which is a classic.
	Kash Patel's going to get in, I think, easily.
	But I think Tulsi's the one that they really have a problem with.
	Well, there's a lot of pictures of things in people's mouths that may weigh more heavily than being primaried.
	Could be.
	There's a lot of blackmail that's running the country.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No doubt about that.
	And do we know who the backup is?
	Who's the backup for Tulsi?
	Do we have any idea?
	No, they've done a good job of keeping that from us.
	We don't know the backup for Kennedy either.
	But the backup for Tulsi is going to be some kick-ass, I'm sure, that it's going to be worse for the intelligence community.
	I mean, there may be some thought that the intelligence community says, well, you know, at least she is a soldier.
	Maybe we can manipulate her.
	She doesn't have that much.
	She's kind of clueless about it.
	The government works.
	At that level, and maybe, you know, she might get in that way.
	Here's Rachel Maddow, who still no one is watching, even though she was brought back to do the first 100 days.
	Yeah, she's on every night now, and unwatchable.
	Yes.
	The Washington Post reports tonight that FBI supervisors advised agents that any agents who worked on either of those two cases, the Jack Smith cases, So rather than just firing them, they were basically going to tell, you know...
	Trump supporters, including those who were just let out of prison by Donald Trump, tell them, hey, here's the names of FBI agents who were part of all the January 6th investigations, the ones that targeted Trump.
	Don't worry, though, they're no longer agents.
	We're firing them today, so go ahead and have at them.
	Have at them.
	Yeah, mega.
	Now, tonight, no way you said that.
	Mega.
	Have at them, mega.
	You know, I'd like you to pay attention.
	Do you ever see any of your TikTok people, and your algorithm is fine-tuned, do you ever see any of them referencing Rachel Maddow or Psaki or any of these?
	No, never.
	Never, right?
	Never.
	Which I find peculiar now that you mention it, because there are the similar talking points.
	Only more emotional.
	No.
	I don't think anybody watches those shows, even including the left.
	I mean, they have a dedicated audience, obviously, of some sort of number.
	Not much.
	Not much.
	Probably around the same number of people that listen to us.
	Only kind of the dumber quotient.
	We have a smart group and they have the...
	I have an update.
	It looks like...
	25% on all products from Canada and Mexico, but only 10% on energy products.
	Yeah, that was mentioned in the reports we played.
	Okay, okay.
	Demi's guess might go up.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	Are people here still on drilling more?
	I think the 10% of the gas and oil is because Trump...
	Who really wants to stay in the good graces of those people in Alberta?
	You've got to keep it between $68 and $78.
	You can't go too high or too low.
	You've got to keep it in that range.
	Everyone's happy then.
	Then the final clip we've got to take a break here is from the former president of Kenya, which I thought was just fantastic.
	Let's make sure we play the Somalia clip before.
	I mean, before we finish.
	Let's play the Somalia clip first then.
	This is just a clip that we both observed.
	Nobody's talking about this.
	Why?
	President Trump ordered the first military strikes of his second term.
	Mr. Trump announced the military action in Somalia on his social media platform.
	He said the strikes targeted a senior ISIS planner, attack planner, and other terrorists.
	The Pentagon said the strikes were coordinated with Somalia and that there were no civilian casualties.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, right.
	Not one civilian casualty somehow.
	It was in the cave.
	They smoked him out of the cave.
	Here's the former president of Kenya.
	People the other day crying.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Trump has removed money.
	He said he's not giving us any more money.
	Why are you crying?
	It's not your government.
	It's not your country.
	Why are you crying?
	He has no reason to give you anything.
	I mean, you don't pay taxes in America.
	He's appealing to his people.
	This is a wake-up call for you to say, okay, what are we going to do to help ourselves?
	Instead of crying, what are we going to do?
	I am a trope.
	What are we going to do?
	To support ourselves.
	Because nobody is going to continue holding out a hand there to give you.
	It is time for us to use our resources for the right things.
	We are the ones who are using them for the wrong things.
	This is the attitude we want.
	And...
	That is the attitude you want.
	That guy's got something going on.
	And then finally, a good, fun Africa clip.
	Thank you, President Trump.
	This is good.
	We've got Africa news.
	Gotta love it.
	Yeah.
	And, yes.
	There goes the audience.
	No, it was, everyone loved that.
	Everyone loved the guy.
	Why are you crying?
	And with that, I want to thank you for your courage.
	Say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in the crying.
	Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. DeVoy!
	Yeah, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry.
	In the morning, the ship's the sea boots to the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water.
	And the names of knights out there.
	It's crazy.
	We have so many trolls.
	2671. It's good.
	We're consistently about 10% higher than is the norm.
	Well, the norm is 24 for a Sunday.
	Right.
	So that's more than 10%.
	No, no, it's 24. Yeah.
	Thank you.
	You're right.
	Thank you.
	Sorry.
	No college.
	No college debris over here.
	No college debris.
	No college debris.
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	Just missing altogether.
	Just pull them out.
	We don't like what you said.
	Why does Joe Rogan say that's offensive to China?
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	Don't trust China!
	Maybe.
	I'm not sure.
	Don't trust China.
	Don't trust China!
	China's asshole!
	Anyway, unlike NPR, we just started off poor and remain relatively poor.
	Yep.
	Which is just, it is what it is, but we do this as a public service.
	We love doing it.
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	$300 or above.
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	So that's the workaround for everybody who has something to promote.
	Like, I don't know, coffee.
	And we also accept other forms of value for value.
	Time, talent, and treasure.
	And the talent, and also time, often comes in the form of our artists who create artwork for us.
	So, just to stop you, so I'm at the meetup, and I guess it's a known fact by everybody but me that Roger Roundy is Edgar the Puppet?
	Yeah, everyone knows this.
	Yeah.
	How come I don't know it?
	I was actually stunned because I was...
	I know why.
	Because you're not on Mastodon, you're on TikTok looking at pink hair.
	It's your own fault.
	It's an amazing product.
	It's a very good product.
	It's very, very no agenda.
	It's kind of...
	Well, it's a very no agenda, but it's also very...
	Triumph the comic book dog, insult comic dog.
	Only funnier.
	Yes, exactly.
	Which I'm kind of surprised by.
	I did go back and forth with Roundy on this, and he thinks that...
	I think he saw it as an opportunity because Triumph the insult comic dog has been going out in public and doing these videos, but he's woke.
	Oh, really?
	Wait, but wasn't Triumph...
	What's his face?
	Conan?
	No, no, no.
	He's never Conan.
	He was this other guy.
	In my blog from about 10 years ago, there was a picture of the guy.
	I forgot his name.
	No, it's not Conan.
	Conan had him on the show all the time, but it wasn't Conan or Conan's bit.
	Oh, okay.
	And so the insult comic dog is woke?
	Yeah.
	That's exactly the opposite.
	The whole point was that that dog was offensive.
	Yeah.
	To poop on.
	For me to poop on?
	Is that still the dog's punchline?
	No, I didn't notice it the last couple of times I saw him on the videos.
	He never said to poop on.
	Well, then it's no good.
	The dog was only good when his punchline was to poop on.
	That was perfect.
	Ah, what a waste.
	What a waste.
	Yeah, so Roundy doesn't do art anymore.
	But that's okay, because we have lots of artists and prompt jockeys and donors and special interests, and everybody chips in and helps out for as long as AI will work, as entropy is sure to set in soon.
	It may even be starting.
	That's just my hope.
	Yeah, no, no.
	It's your wish.
	It's your dream.
	It's a prayer.
	Believe me, it's a prayer.
	Yeah, you're ahead of your time.
	Always.
	Look at me.
	A decade at least.
	Invented podcasting.
	Who's rich?
	Joe Rogan.
	I mean, it says it right there, doesn't it?
	Megan Kelly.
	We want to thank Blue Acorn, who did the artwork for episode 1734. The title of that was Mega.
	That was based on Make Europe Great Again.
	Sir Brian of London sent me a picture of a whole bunch of red hats.
	As Mega is now being used in the UK as Make England Great Again.
	Yes, I heard this too.
	Which is interesting.
	And I wouldn't mind having one of those hats.
	That's pretty fun to have.
	Now, when we...
	Go ahead.
	Well, that reminds me.
	Where's my sheet?
	You got it.
	A couple of things I got to bring out.
	I got my sheet.
	Can I finish the...
	No, this is about the show.
	Well, but this is for art.
	We want to finish the art.
	No, this is about the donations.
	Okay.
	We can do the art, and then I've got to make these complaints.
	Yes, of course.
	You make all the complaints you want.
	What else is new?
	It's the show.
	That's what we do.
	Now, when we saw this from Blue Acorn, it was the cow egg.
	We had talked about cow eggs on the show.
	It was cute.
	He even had a little AI brand mark there on the cow, which was fun.
	What was really cool is when we went to get the link for Blue Acorn to put in the show notes, we give our artist credit, it said, artist for six minutes.
	And we didn't realize...
	That that counter is real-time.
	So when we went back, it says, artist for seven minutes.
	So this is...
	That's a feature of noagendaartgenerator.com I never didn't know about.
	Yeah, we never knew about it.
	I never realized that it...
	He is one of the...
	I think the third guy in the history of the show, I believe he's the third, who hit it on his first art donation.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	One shot.
	Nailed it.
	Nailed it.
	Yeah.
	He'll never get in again.
	Never again.
	He's all done.
	Your career is over.
	Now, a piece that came in afterwards I used for the newsletter, which came in after we already closed our thing, which is a late piece from...
	From Huda Thunkett.
	It was a very good piece of art.
	Huda Thunkett with a Chinese guy, an Asian, vague Asian guy who looks more like a Singaporean actually to me.
	Clubbing a fish.
	Beating the crap out of a fish.
	With best price.
	Best price on his chest.
	Very humorous.
	Terrific piece.
	Yes.
	It might have made it.
	It might have beat the cowlick.
	It could have beaten the cowlick if it came in earlier.
	Very close to beating it.
	I kind of like Nessworks' Can You Read Clock?
	Didn't quite have it.
	Darren O'Neill did a Runway 33. We both felt that was a little too early.
	Too soon.
	It was a good piece, though.
	Now, The Farmer's Wife...
	Kids came in with two pieces.
	One was a cow with an egg, but the one which was titled White House Media Podcasters was this kind of an awesome picture of a Mexican with a sombrero and a microphone, and it said White House Media.
	And what are you teaching them over there, Farmers?
	I don't know what this...
	We both were completely baffled by this, whatever the kids drew here.
	Why are they thinking this?
	A guy in that White House with a sombrero, of all things, which is like verboten now to even discuss.
	I love...
	It was...
	Actually, well put together.
	Yeah, we were almost going to pick it.
	It was close.
	I will say it was close.
	Kids, well done.
	Close.
	Keep it up.
	We encourage this.
	We encourage the art you're doing.
	There's clearly some soul in these kids.
	Clearly.
	It was very enjoyable.
	Honorary mention for Gun Monkey with what I think the intent here was...
	It to be the Senate confirmation hearings with all of the senators with their heads as pills, like they're owned by Big Pharma.
	But it missed some essential element.
	It didn't really even look like the Senate.
	We know what you were trying to do, but didn't quite make it there.
	No, it wasn't going to cut it.
	Then, of course, everybody tried to do a onesie.
	I wouldn't mind having a no agenda, no problem onesie.
	With Curry Dvorak, adult size.
	I'd wear that to bed.
	You heard him.
	You heard me.
	Then there was the requisite Pocahontas, which is like, I'm not going to use that.
	I think that was it.
	I'd say...
	Well, you did like the other cow egg, mainly the one from Dame Kenny, Ben, with the cow in the carton.
	Yeah, it was cute.
	It was cute.
	Yeah, you liked that.
	Yeah, I did think it was cute.
	It was all very close.
	It was a close call for everybody, but the most baffling yet somehow curiously funny was the farmer's wife's kids with the Mexican...
	The sombrero guy.
	The sombrero at the White House.
	It could have been when you were...
	Now that I think about it, you did a bit.
	Did I do a Mexican bit?
	You did a Mexican bit with the Ocho, Ocho, Ocho, and you had the...
	Security X! Security X! Ocho, Ocho, Ocho!
	But you had it all with the Echo, like the old Mexican radio, AM radio.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Go back and listen.
	I'm not going to do that every single time.
	That's only for special occasions.
	So, it got through to the kids.
	Interesting.
	The stuff kids like.
	That has to be what it was.
	I can't think of anything else.
	Well, thank you very much, Blue Acorn.
	Blue Acorn?
	Yeah, Blue Acorn for your submission.
	We appreciate that.
	And of course, many of these pieces of art can be found in the chapter art on the Modern Podcast app.
	It's well worth taking a look.
	A lot of people are using those apps now and enjoying it.
	So please continue to enjoy.
	We always thank everybody who donates $50 or above.
	And now we'll get to the previously mentioned executive producers.
	We kick it off.
	But before we do that...
	Oh, you got some things to say?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	There's been a lot of donation, regular donation.
	This is the first of January.
	All throughout January, a lot of regular donors that have the recurring donations have been canceled.
	Canceled?
	Yeah, because this is the time credit cards sometimes get swapped out.
	Expire.
	People should check if they think they're still subscribing to the show through one of the programs, $33 a month or $5 even.
	Check.
	A lot of people still have $4.
	Yeah, there's still some $4, but those are usually $4 a week.
	And the 11-11s, which goes back seven years, because that was the 11th episode, wasn't it?
	11-11?
	I'm not mistaken.
	I don't know.
	The 11-11 came up as some lucky number that we got on to.
	Please check.
	So check on that, because there's too many.
	It's hurting the show.
	It's hurting the show.
	And the second thing is, I noticed...
	That every time after the football season, I usually, I hate to be like a scrounger.
	What?
	What's so funny?
	But I have not seen a hoodie or a sweatshirt from Ohio State or Montana.
	The winners of the various championships or even the Division II school, because I'm wearing one of those.
	I wore it to the meetup.
	Yes.
	One of the ones for the Bisons.
	Harding State, I think is the name.
	And I usually get one.
	And I got one from Michigan.
	I got stuff from Michigan last year.
	But Ohio State people, I don't know what...
	There's a huge school.
	There should be somebody that listens to the show that could send me a championship sweatshirt or a championship hoodie.
	I don't know why I haven't gotten that.
	So what you're saying is...
	When I used to do Leo's show, and I'd make mention of this, I would get a ton of stuff.
	I don't know what the deal is.
	Not that I'm complaining or trying to be a scrounger and getting free clothes.
	See, this is why I was laughing because of course you're doing that!
	I am?
	Yeah, you want free clothes.
	I also want to mention that for the Albany meetup I included where the executive producers donations but the ones below $200 are going to be on the next show except for one.
	Which I've gotten for this show, which I'll let you know what I wanted to read because it's so funny.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So they're not even on the spreadsheet?
	They're all going to be next?
	No, the executive and associate executive producers are.
	There's only three or four of them.
	Okay.
	But the rest of them are going to be next show.
	And I had a great time.
	Everyone had to meet up.
	I do have a photo of one of the guys, Richie Rich.
	I saw the photo.
	I saw the photo.
	Well, that photo is misleading.
	Because his hair, it looks like a spook there because that hair is gray in that photo.
	Hold on, let me take a look.
	The Richie Rich photo.
	Yeah, yeah, I'm looking at it.
	He wanted to call you out.
	He made a big fuss about this and he kept, you know, grabbing me and telling me I have to tell you this.
	What?
	He's a year older than you and he's got better hair.
	And to be honest about it, that hair picture was very strange because that's a white balance problem.
	His hair is...
	Straw gold.
	It's gorgeous.
	This is the guy...
	I mean it sincerely.
	This is the guy with his arms folded in the picture?
	No, this is the guy...
	This is a picture that came in separately.
	I sent it to you.
	Oh.
	Separately.
	Under Richie Rich Photo.
	And this is the one where Steve...
	Crazy Steve is actually photobombing, unwittingly photobombing this shot.
	But this guy's hair...
	Yes, that's the same guy.
	It's the same guy in the other picture.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, well, he's got...
	He's so gray in these pictures, I'm just thinking that's not what his hair color is, believe me.
	Wait a minute.
	So, let me just understand.
	He comes up to you and says, Tell Curry my hair is better than his.
	Is that what it was?
	Yep.
	He's a dude named Ben from North Carolina.
	How he got to the meetup is beyond me.
	He had to make it to give you this important message.
	He was very adamant about it.
	Yeah, well, yeah, his hair is beautiful.
	You're a beautiful man.
	What can I say?
	It's true.
	He's a very beautiful man.
	Any more from the meetup, or is that the whole report?
	Yeah, well, no, I met a guy, a guy and his sister came up.
	She was from Dallas, and he was from Burbank.
	Did he say, hey, want to meet my sister?
	Is that what he said?
	No, but I was glad to meet her.
	She was an international art dealer, so that was kind of cool.
	Ooh, nice.
	But he was more interesting because, although she was interesting, he was interesting because he had worked for Steve Breitbart when he was alive.
	Andrew Breitbart.
	Andrew, I'm sorry.
	When do I think Steve?
	Bannon.
	Oh, yeah, probably.
	Yeah, Andrew Breitbart when he was alive, and he and his sister...
	Ariana.
	They both think he was murdered, and I think so, too.
	Yeah, well, I think that's our consensus as well.
	And then he went to work for Project Veritas.
	Oh, interesting.
	So he knows a bunch of that stuff, and now he's writing screenplays, which...
	So he's a spy and she's a money launderer.
	Nice group.
	That's right.
	Nice group.
	It's funny you say that, because his screenplays are both about spooks.
	Uh-huh.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah.
	Well, this is what happens.
	This is why you need to go to a no-agenda meetup.
	But I gave two of them the lineup, and she kind of warmed up to this, too.
	The lineup of watching certain shows that are spook shows.
	Oh, and then the British angle?
	Well, no, not the British angle.
	I'm talking about the classics.
	Rubicon has to be viewed.
	Berlin Station.
	Berlin Station is another one.
	The ones that actually give you a little...
	Tidbits of what's going on.
	Yeah, a little bit of the real stuff, of the good stuff.
	All right.
	No, it was great.
	Everybody was...
	It was all night.
	Everybody had the place.
	It was nice.
	The regulars, a lot of regulars I was expecting to see, I didn't see.
	It was a very strange meet-up.
	Were there any kids?
	No, it was at a bar.
	Oh, okay.
	The next meet-up will be where kids can meet.
	Well, let's just say, Chicago also had a meet-up.
	A lot of people, a lot of nights.
	This was a good meet-up weekend.
	I guess so.
	So we will thank Hayes, who comes in with a cool $1,000 to save the day, and he asks for a dedouching.
	You've been dedouched.
	And he says, thank you for your courage.
	I appreciate all that you both put into the show.
	Hayes, and he is at jvgcoffeemechanics.com.
	Not sure exactly what that is.
	He doesn't ask for a nighting or anything, so...
	If you want to be knighted, let us know.
	We'll gladly take care of that.
	And thank you very much.
	It's highly appreciated.
	JVG Coffee Mechanics, huh?
	Marvin McDonald comes up from Clarksville, Arkansas, 333.33.
	He says, thanks for all you do.
	I'd like a de-douching.
	You've been de-douched.
	And he wants some goat karma.
	All right, we got it for you.
	You've got.
	Then we have Sir Lawrence of Dystopia from Oakland, California, 333.33, and I can hear you have his note.
	Yes, I do.
	So he dropped off at 333.333.
	Oh, man.
	I have to get my other reading glasses to read this note.
	While listening to Mark Stevens Jr. at my family, My Family Thinks I'm Crazy podcast.
	My Family Thinks I'm Crazy podcast.
	I don't know if you've heard of it.
	When he was a guest on no less than two different podcasts, Republican Death Squad.
	Okay, I'm going to have to read this note later and get my other glasses because the contrast is just too low.
	It's like he typed it.
	I'll do this next one and then you go...
	Then you go and get your glasses.
	And I'll do James Dupont from Ewing, New Jersey.
	333 says, forgive me for being a major douchebag.
	He says, I've sent Adam 1984 via GetAlbie.
	This should take me with my older donations to night of soul fun meme.
	Soul fun meme.
	And he has soulfunmeme.com.
	What is soulfunmeme.com?
	Let me take a look at this.
	Is that some kind of Solana thing?
	Let me see.
	soulfunme.com?
	Or meme?
	soulfunmeme?
	What is this?
	soulfunmeme.
	soulfunmeme.com.
	Here we go.
	I have no idea.
	Oh, crafted for launching private personal AI startup, software as a service, and business AI agents.
	All right.
	There you go.
	And so the back office has approved this, so you will be knighted, James Dupont, and thank you very much.
	Okay, now I'm going to read the note.
	We'll listen to Mark Stevens Jr. Of my Family Thinks I'm Crazy podcast when he was a guest on no less than two different podcasts.
	Nephilim Death Squad, episode 105, Biocharisma podcast.
	By the way, I noticed that these people that are at the last meetup, they're all a bunch of podcast addicts.
	You know, they're addicted.
	In fact, they were grilling me about, do you ever listen to anybody else's podcast?
	And he goes on, he says, he stated how he feels hope that if his aunt is listening to no agenda, this guy, this Mark Stevens, then there is hope for sanity and awareness.
	Amen.
	Okay.
	No agenda gives me a feeling that I haven't...
	Felt since I used to stay up and watch The Daily Show with Craig Kilburn.
	Wow!
	That's like before I was born.
	For reference, it's that same feeling you get when you just blew up the Death Star.
	There's a...
	Wow.
	That's an interesting comment.
	Nice.
	In honor of my wife's excellent mac and cheese, may I get a mac and cheese, screw your freedoms, and donate?
	This is the three.
	Thanks for your courage and ask me about my latest gun purchase.
	Adios, mofos.
	Sir Lawrence of Dystopia.
	And he's in Oakland.
	He's also Killer Oscar 6 Echo Juliet Echo.
	So he's a ham, too.
	Nice.
	Uh, mac and cheese, freedom, and donate?
	Yeah.
	That was the three?
	Okay.
	Oh, excellent.
	Living the mac and cheese life.
	Mac and cheese.
	By Ayn Rand.
	By the way, today is Ayn Rand's 120th birthday.
	Freedom!
	Oops, wrong one.
	You've got...
	Donate!
	Karma.
	Screw your freedom.
	There we go.
	I got it in.
	All right.
	Yeah, Ayn Rand would have been 120. Nelson Ariza is in Lawrenceville, Georgia, 333. He says, I appreciate you guys.
	Well, thank you.
	We appreciate you.
	Please give me Trump jobs karma, and I love my truck.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs.
	You've got karma.
	I love my truck and I love what I do.
	Nice.
	Nathan Hallgren in Rockford, Illinois.
	$300, no note, no nothing.
	So he gets a Double Up Karma.
	You've got...
	Double Up!
	Karma.
	And the same for Sir Robert Montoya, Pleasant Hill, California.
	$300, no note.
	So that also gives him a Double Up Karma.
	You've got...
	And now we have Little John's Candies.
	Ah, yes.
	This is an interesting situation.
	Little John's Candy.
	This is Christopher.
	Now, he brought with him either his wife or his girlfriend or his sister.
	I can't remember.
	Maybe his mom could have been his mom.
	No, definitely not his mom.
	Okay.
	And I can't remember her name, but he wrote it down in this check, but he scribbled it.
	Oh, my God.
	I want some of these.
	So this is donations from Bay Area Little John's Candies in Somerset, California.
	And I talked to her for a minute, and they're living up in Fiddle Town, I believe, which is in the volcano area of California.
	And I didn't get to talk to her enough.
	ITM gentleman, he writes, as a San Francisco refugee and business owner, thank you for keeping me sane.
	I was hit in the mouth by my smoking hot wife, really smoking hot, but that must be the worst.
	That must have been her.
	Now we know who it was.
	Yeah.
	During our refugee journey to the realm.
	Yeah, that's got it.
	She was, okay, there's his wife.
	The realm of the Sierra foothills.
	We listened while driving back and forth from San Francisco to Fiddletown as we moved our 100-year-old candy business, Little John's, away from the poop.
	And the needles.
	They're a hundred years old.
	They look great.
	Yes, 1924. Look great for their age.
	Well, the candy's on in 1924. Now we listen while making candy the old-fashioned way.
	Little John's Candies handcrafts world-famous English toffee.
	It's quite good, by the way, because he brought a sample pack.
	I'm looking at the website, littlejohnscandies.com.
	I would love to try some chocolate-covered molasses chips.
	That looks good.
	Ask Adam for his address.
	You can send him some.
	Yes.
	English Toffee and Fine Candies using the recipes from the 20s, 30s, and 40s.
	These are old recipes.
	Old school.
	So for a sweet treat for your smoking hot wife, go to littlejohnscandies.com and use code ITM10 for 10% off your purchase.
	There you go.
	Another...
	Advertisement posing as a note.
	Thanks for all the producers of the best podcast in the universe.
	This is hand type too.
	Traded in my San Francisco needles and poop for pine needles and deer poop.
	Christopher.
	Marshmallow delights.
	Wow.
	Whatever happened to the no agenda fudge people?
	I'm out.
	No, well, he said...
	I'm out.
	That was a promotion until Christmas.
	Oh.
	Yeah, the fudge is done.
	You're going to have to wait a year.
	I'm out.
	I'm out of fudge.
	And I love my drunk.
	Alex Rickman, or Reichman, I think Rickman maybe.
	Parts Unknown, $210.60.
	Drunk donation.
	Cheers to another four years of the show.
	No, it's the final four years.
	Can I get a Trains Good, Planes Bad jingle in light of recent events?
	These planes be dropping from the sky!
	All aboard, Trains Good, Planes Bad!
	Here we go, Eli the Coffee Guy in Bensonville, Illinois, $202.02.
	I had a great time at the Chicago meetup.
	I finally saw a picture of Eli.
	Nothing like you'd expect him to look like.
	What does he look like?
	No, I'm not going to tell you.
	Maybe he wants to be incognito.
	What do you think he looks like?
	He looks like a middle-aged, dark-haired, probably about 5'11 to 6'1", medium build, mustachioed maybe.
	I don't know.
	He's like a big guy, Latin guy.
	Oh, he's a big Latin guy.
	Yeah, he's a big Latin guy, the way I saw it.
	Could be an estimate.
	Maybe it's a white balance issue.
	Maybe.
	There are lots of very fine people on both sides of the bar.
	The turnout was good and even had a knight and dame from Fort Wayne come out.
	Some saw old friends and made some new ones.
	Thank you, Adam and John, for helping create this community.
	We didn't raffle the coffee, no tickets.
	However, everyone left a winner with some samples.
	Good, smart.
	Yeah, this is good for about two cups.
	For producers feeling left out of the fun, just visit gigawattcoffeeroasters.com and use the code ITM20 for 20% off your order.
	It's like a meet-up in a cup.
	He's writing ad copy now.
	Stay caffeinated, Eli the Coffee Guy.
	Meet up in a cup.
	Meet up in a cup.
	And from Eli we go to Linda Lupatkin from Lakewood, Colorado with $200.
	She does it every single show and we appreciate that so much.
	And she asks...
	Simply for jobs, Karma.
	And says for a winning resume and a faster job search, go to ImageMakersInc.com.
	That's ImageMakersInc with a K. And work with Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs and Writer of Resumes, your go-to for all your executive resume and job search needs.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	And last on our list here is Charles Neal.
	Charles Neal and Austin.
	Right around the corner.
	200 bucks.
	Hey guys, since I forgot to do this with my first donation, please de-douche me.
	That's great work.
	You've been de-douched.
	And that's it for our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1735. Get them in now, kids, while it's still good, while the going's good, less than four more years.
	That's how much longer we're going to be here.
	And even 21 sounds like a good number to me.
	Who knows what we'll do after that.
	And thank you, of course, to everyone under $50 and above and under $50.
	We'll be thanking those people, not the under 50s, but the 50 and above in our second segment.
	And you can always go to NoAgendaDonations.com and you can set yourself up with a recurring donation.
	If you thought you had one, check it again just in case things might have expired, new credit cards being sent out.
	NoAgendaDonations.com.
	That's NoAgendaDonations.com.
	Thank you again for supporting us for 1735. I want to start off a little light here with a prescient clip.
	This is one of the clips that's been floating around the last couple of days from The Simpsons.
	The Simpsons who seem to predict everything back 20 years ago.
	The show's been on forever.
	Have you seen this one?
	I don't know.
	Sideshow Bob?
	We're going to take a listen.
	I'll be back.
	You can't keep the Democrats out of the White House forever.
	And when they get in, I'm back on the streets with all my criminal buddies.
	Again, predicting reality is amazing what those Simpsons can do.
	It's amazing.
	You know, you look at this, what?
	Yeah, that is interesting.
	Oh, probably should play this just as a little update as the winning continues.
	President Trump has had some serious conversations with Russia about Ukraine.
	US President Donald Trump has said his administration has had very serious discussions with Russia about the war in Ukraine.
	Trump said that he and Russian President Vladimir Putin could soon take significant action towards ending the three-year conflict.
	Trump didn't say who from his administration has been in contact with Moscow, but insisted the two sides were already talking.
	Trump has said repeatedly he wouldn't have allowed the conflict to start if he'd been in office in 2022.
	Since returning to office, Trump has criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, saying he should have made a deal with Putin to avoid the conflict.
	He also criticized Joe Biden's administration for spending billions in U.S. taxpayer money on military and economic aid for Kyiv.
	Ukraine currently relies on the U.S. for around 40 percent of its military needs, and since February 2022, Washington has sent Kyiv more than 62 billion euros.
	There's a lot going on in Germany right now, but I don't know if you've been following that.
	Listen to this report, and then I'll give you some background and detail on it.
	Shortly before Germany's election, lawmakers debated the possible ban of the far-right AfD party.
	The path to a legal exclusion, however, is long.
	On Thursday, MPs discussed the first step, examining whether AFD is anti-constitutional.
	The AFD is not a party.
	They are just a little bit to the right.
	They are enemies of the Constitution.
	They are enemies of our democracy.
	They are enemies of mankind.
	AFD didn't hold back.
	We embody democracy in Germany, ladies and gentlemen.
	We are for referendums for the separation of powers, for the rule of law, for everyone.
	The debate to ban the AfD was resumed after Wednesday's motion for a stricter migration policy proposed by the leader of the Conservative Party's CDU, Friedrich Merz, and pushed through the Bundestag with the help of the far-right.
	In a rare intervention, Angela Merkel accused Merz of breaking a pledge to not work with the AfD.
	I think it is wrong to no longer feel bound by this proposal and thereby knowingly allow the AFD to gain a majority in a vote in the German Bundestag on the 29th of January 2025 for the first time.
	The leader of the Conservatives tried to diffuse the tensions.
	There is no cooperation between the CDU, CSU and the far right and the AFD can now triumph as much as they want.
	This will not happen.
	I want us to solve the problems and for this party to get smaller again.
	But the controversial immigration vote sparked protests in the largest German cities like Berlin, Munich, Dortmund and Leipzig for a second day in a row.
	So just because the immigrant, irregular migrant influx, there was a bill or a law being proposed to reduce the amount of immigrants that can come in.
	Believe me, the Germans are sick of it.
	They are just like everyone else in Europe.
	They're sick of what's going on.
	So instead of doing that, because it's a very key policy of the far-right AFD, they all voted against it.
	Germany is committing suicide.
	It's unbelievable what their ideology is doing.
	To their people and to the country.
	It's just insane.
	It's been going on forever.
	This is a slow creep.
	This is like political correctness in this country, which evolved into the trans-Maoist movement, which started in the late 70s and early 80s.
	That's the first time I ever heard the term political correctness.
	It was from one of the Libjos, actually, who was a writer.
	And it just starts eating away.
	The Germans at the time, we're just talking about political correctness, they were already all in on no plastic packaging.
	When you went to Germany, paper straws!
	Everything was already set in place.
	And then when they got to the point where they shut down their nukes, their nuclear power, It was like, you've gone too far, and this woman who runs the AFD, or she's one of the co-chairs anyway, she's Alice, Alice Wiedel, she is a sweetheart.
	I don't see where, you know, this idea that they're all, this sounds like the Trump thing, you know, Trump anti-democratic, you're not going to vote again, kind of thing.
	It's outrageous, and the Germans, the Germans politicians are out of control.
	They're controlled by the globalists.
	They're shot.
	I mean, well, the Germans are just too polite.
	They're too kind.
	You know, like, yeah, we can't really revolt.
	I don't know what it is.
	The same with the Dutch, by the way.
	They're not going to revolt.
	They actually voted in the guy they wanted.
	And like, oh, what's happening?
	Oh, not much.
	Not much change.
	And then they look across the ocean, look at us.
	They're like, wow.
	If only we could be like that.
	Yeah, it's a mystery to me.
	I guess the same goes for the UK. Same, you know.
	UK's worse.
	What was I reading about the UK? Let me see, it was...
	They're not donating anymore, either.
	No, well...
	Tony Blair is now...
	It was a big article in the Times.
	Tony Blair, colon.
	Bring in digital IDs to get tough on populism.
	How about that?
	What do you want to get tough on populism for?
	Tony Blair began the problem.
	The former labor prime minister who backs identity technology systems and facial recognition believes the public will gladly sacrifice privacy for efficiency.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	You know what?
	He may be right.
	He may be right.
	What efficiency are we talking about here that everyone wants to sacrifice for?
	Specifically, what efficiency?
	The NHS? I mean, what's going on in England that's trending toward efficiency that's going to be helped along by digital ID? Just to name one thing.
	He suggests only, and only by fully harnessing the power of artificial intelligence, can ministers deliver the improvements to public services that voters want while also achieving the savings the Treasury needs.
	Quote, you've got to reorder the government around this technology revolution.
	It costs more money than it's worth.
	Who's he kidding?
	Did everyone do the numbers on this stuff?
	Oh, it's coming everywhere.
	Denver is already lost.
	For the vast majority of doctors, work doesn't stop once they leave the office.
	Daniel Korch is a physician, and he's also the Associate Chief Medical Information Officer at Denver Health.
	He's bothered by how many doctors are taking their work home with them.
	Something called pajama time.
	If you can imagine your doctor after you see them.
	Going home, getting in their pajamas, getting out their laptop, and just typing away.
	That's what so many of our providers have done.
	And we saw a significant reduction in pajama time with providers who are using Nabla.
	Nabla is the AI software company Denver Health hired to help doctors take notes.
	According to them, for every one hour...
	What?
	Nabla?
	No, it's Nabla.
	Not Nabla.
	Nabla.
	I know what you're thinking.
	No.
	We're using Nabla.
	Nabla is the AI software company Denver Health hired to help doctors take notes.
	According to them, for every one hour seeing patients, doctors typically spend two hours inputting notes and insurance information.
	Here's how it works.
	Doctors meet with their patient and start the program on their phone.
	It listens, transcribes the audio, and organizes it into a format that doctors are familiar with.
	Later, it deletes the audio recording and transcription so that the only thing that remains is the summary, not their conversation.
	helping to protect patient confidentiality.
	At the end of the encounter, it automatically updates the patient record, write the clinical documentation, take care of the claims, after visit summary for the patients.
	Denver Health expected to save their doctors time with this new technology.
	What they didn't see coming was how it improved doctor-patient interactions.
	They had better eye contact.
	They had better emotional availability because they weren't typing.
	And that's what's so exciting about it.
	Our patients benefited from it.
	Our providers benefited from it.
	40% of doctors at Denver Health have decided to use Nabla, less than two months after its introduction.
	I've never been part of an IT project where people spontaneously gave me hugs.
	They've given me hugs.
	They've given me boxes of chocolate because they really find it has improved their life.
	Helping out doctors makes it much easier for us to have a very good team, very motivated, very loyal.
	So they can have more time to help their patients.
	Yeah.
	Wow, what a crock.
	Yeah, but it's not even, it's not artificial intelligence.
	It's transcription.
	It's speech recognition.
	We've been working on that since Dragon.
	And it still doesn't work well.
	Computer, period.
	Remember Dragon?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exclamation mark.
	And you look at enough TikTok videos, you see how many, you know, they have the automatic titles underneath.
	So many mistakes.
	90% right.
	Yeah.
	A 10% error rate is non-trivial.
	There you go.
	That's exactly the problem with all of the so-called artificial intelligence.
	I do have a few clips from on the media, from NPR, with a fellow artificial intelligence denier, like myself.
	This is the British guy.
	Oh yeah, this guy's good.
	Zintas or something.
	He's good, he's good.
	These models were always...
	Kind of going to peter out because they've run out of training data, but also there's only so much you can do with a probabilistic model.
	They don't have thoughts.
	They are probabilistic.
	They guess the next thing coming, and they're pretty good at it.
	But pretty good is actually nowhere near enough.
	And when you think of what makes a software boom, a software boom is usually based on mass consumer adoption and mass...
	Enterprise-level adoption.
	Now, the enterprise referring to big companies of like 10,000, 50,000, 100,000 people, but down to like 1,000.
	Nevertheless, financial services, healthcare, all of these industries, they have very low tolerance for mistakes.
	And if you make a mistake with your AI, well, I'm not sure if you remember what happened with Knight Capital.
	That was with an algorithm.
	They lost hundreds of millions of dollars and destroyed themselves because of one little mistake.
	We don't even know how these things fully function, how they make their decisions, but we do know they make mistakes because they don't know anything.
	They do not have knowledge.
	Unconscious.
	I get it.
	No, no, no.
	Not just not conscious.
	They don't know anything.
	ChatGPT does not know.
	Even if you say, give me a list of every American state, and it gets it right every time.
	It's just pattern recognition.
	Yes, it is effectively saying, what is the most likely answer to this?
	It doesn't know what a state is.
	It doesn't know what America is.
	It doesn't know anything.
	It is just remarkably accurate probability.
	But remarkably accurate is nowhere near as accurate as we would need it to be.
	And as a result, there's only so much they could have done with it.
	Yes, or as he says, yeah, go ahead.
	That guy's better than you!
	The way Silicon Valley has classically worked is you give a bunch of money to some smart people and then money comes out the end.
	In the case of previous hype cycles that work, like cloud computing and smartphones, there were very obvious places to go.
	Jim Covello over at Goldman Sachs.
	Famously said one of the responses to Generative AI was to say, well, no one believed in this smartphone.
	Wrong.
	There were thousands of presentations that led fairly precisely to that.
	So with the AI hype, it was a big media storm.
	And suddenly, Microsoft's entire decision-making behind this was they saw ChatGPT and went, God damn, we need that in Bing.
	Buy every GPU you can find.
	And I'm telling the truth.
	It is insane that multi-trillion dollar market cap companies work like this.
	Nevertheless, all of these companies, they went, well, this is the next big thing.
	Throw a bunch of money at it.
	That's worked before.
	Buying more, doing more, growing everything always works.
	Silicon Valley over the years has leaned towards just growth ideas.
	What will grow?
	What can we sell more of?
	Except they've chased out all the real innovators.
	And then, of course, he has some actual data on the money.
	I don't know if it's true, but...
	They chased out all the real innovators is the interesting comment there at the very end.
	It's true.
	Where did they go?
	They went on to create podcasting and make no money.
	I know!
	It's unfair!
	Okay.
	Generative AI is incredibly unprofitable.
	One dollar earned for every two and a quarter spent?
	Something like that?
	Yeah, two bucks thirty-five from my last estimates.
	Opened AI's board last year said they needed even more capital than they had imagined, and...
	The CEO, Sam Altman, recently said that they're losing money on their plan to make money, which is the ChatGPT pro plan.
	What is that?
	So, this is where the funny stuff happens.
	OpenAI's premium subscriptions make up about, it's like 73% of their revenue.
	The majority of their revenue does not come from people actually in store using their models to do stuff, which should tell you everything.
	Because if most of their money doesn't come from people using their very useful, allegedly, models, well that means that they're either not charging enough or they're not that useful.
	I think Altman said he wasn't charging enough.
	He isn't charging enough.
	Their premium subscriptions have limits to the amount that you can use them.
	Well, their $200 a month GPT Plus subscription allows you to use their models as much as you'd like, and they're still losing money on them.
	And the funny thing is, the biggest selling point is their reasoning models, 01 and 03. 03, by the way, is their new thing that is just throwing even more compute at the problem.
	It's yet to prove itself to actually be any different other than just...
	Slightly better at the benchmarks and also costing $1,000 for 10 minutes.
	It's insane.
	But the reason they're losing that is because the way they've built their models is incredibly inefficient.
	And now that DeepSeek's come along, it's not really obvious why anyone would pay for ChatGPT Plus at all.
	But the fact that they can't make money on a $200 a month subscription, that's the kind of thing that you should get fired from a company for.
	They should boot you out the door.
	He's my new friend.
	I guess so.
	I played this out of order.
	Who is this guy again?
	Zintas?
	Hold on.
	His name is...
	Zitron.
	Ed Zitron.
	You ever hear of him?
	No, it doesn't ring a bell, but...
	Well, here he makes an assertion which only you could really evaluate.
	You said that AI in this country was just throwing a lot of money at the wall, seeing if some new idea would actually emerge.
	Mm-hmm.
	Mm-hmm.
	Agents that can actually do things for you.
	Stop at agents.
	This is the new twist.
	This is what Salesforce...
	It's agentic AI. It's agents.
	You know what that is?
	It's a cron job, okay?
	It's a cron job that does something every couple of months.
	Cron?
	Cron job.
	You know what a cron job is, don't you?
	Is it different than a con job?
	Not far.
	C-R-O-N, a cron job.
	That's in a Linux system.
	You can set up a cron job to run every minute, every five minutes.
	Oh, okay, yeah.
	It's a cron job.
	Based on the clock.
	Yeah, it's a cron job.
	In a predictable way, are we talking about God?
	What is the new idea that they were hoping would emerge from throwing billions at this project?
	So, Silicon Valley has not really had a full depression.
	We may think the dot-com bubble was bad, but the dot-com bubble was they discovered e-commerce.
	And then ran it in the worst way possible.
	This is so different because if this had not had the hype cycle it had, we probably would have ended up with an American deep seek in five years.
	What do you think about the concept that Silicon Valley's never really had a depression?
	That's not true.
	They had one before the dot-com collapse, I think it was 86. There was a huge downturn that was just outrageous.
	And that was propagated by the collapse of the video game company.
	They were making Atari games.
	This is the Atari era, and they came out with this product.
	This one game company failed its IPO and the whole economy.
	Yeah, it all crashed.
	Remember that?
	Yeah, I do remember that.
	It was a huge crash.
	I think it was as big as the dot-com crash.
	The dot-com bubble was a little different because it came in with Y2K, and then the World Trade Centers, and it was all combined to make a real mess.
	Got a note from one of our teachers, and she said, Adam, thank you for being pro-human.
	Many adults I know, I am very pro-human.
	We hate the human.
	Kill all humans.
	I am so pro-human, it's crazy.
	Many adults I know use ChatGPT to help them with basic decisions.
	Screen-induced adult retardation.
	I'm in education.
	And the board is forcing us to use AI and screens with toddlers.
	All the videos are made with AI slop, highly addictive flashing of lights, and droning house beats.
	It is making the kids retarded.
	This must end.
	And I asked her for some samples, which I have not yet received, but I can't wait to see that.
	And then...
	I'll bet she's right.
	Of course she's right.
	And then back to the UK, just staying with the AI for a second, from the BBC. Four new laws will tackle the threat of child sexual abuse images generated by artificial intelligence.
	The Home Office says the UK will be the first country in the world to make it illegal to possess, create, or distribute AI tools designed to create child sexual abuse material with a punishment of up to five years in prison.
	This is in Canada?
	The UK. Oh, UK. What am I thinking?
	I mean, that's what these tools do.
	How are you going to stop that?
	I have no idea what they're thinking.
	Well, it gets worse if we listen to a clip from the latest interview of Jordan Peterson with Mark Andreessen, who has been hitting the Vyvanse, if you know what I mean.
	He makes an assertion that is pretty wild.
	If the large language model's value is in their wisdom, and that wisdom is derived from their understanding of the deep pattern of correlations between ideas, which is a major source of wisdom, genuinely speaking, why pervert that with an overlay of...
	Shallow ideology.
	And why is the ideology in the direction that it is?
	And then how is that gerrymandering conducted?
	Yes, let me start with the how.
	So the how is a technique.
	There's an acronym for it.
	It's called Reinforcement Learning by Human Feedback.
	And so in the field, it's called RLHF. And our LHF is basically a key step for making an AI that works and interacts with humans, which is you take a raw model which is sort of feral and doesn't quite know how to orient to people, and then you put it in a training loop with some set of human beings who effectively socialize it.
	And so, right, reinforcement learning through human feedback, the key there is human feedback, right?
	You put it in dialogue with human beings, and you have the human beings do something very analogous to teaching a child, right?
	Here's how you respond.
	Here's how you're polite.
	Here's the things you can do.
	I can't say, here's how to word things.
	Here's how to be curious.
	All the behaviors that you presumably want to see from something you're interacting with that is sort of a human proxy kind of form of behavior.
	That is a 100% human enterprise.
	You have to decide what the rules are for the people who are going to be doing that work.
	They're all people.
	And then you have to hire into those jobs.
	The people going into those jobs are in many cases the same people.
	This will horrify you.
	They're the same people who were in the trusting safety groups at the social media companies five years ago.
	Oh, good.
	Oh, that's great.
	Oh, that's wonderful.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I couldn't imagine a worse outcome than that.
	So all the people that Elon cut out of the trust and safety group at Twitter when he bought it, many of them have migrated into these trust and safety groups at these AI companies, and they're now setting these policies and doing this training.
	There you go.
	So that's your chat GPT right there.
	That's interesting.
	I don't know if it's true.
	It makes sense.
	I don't know if it's true.
	It does make sense, though.
	I don't know if it's true, but...
	Lord, help us.
	Get rid of this scourge.
	All of it.
	It can't be dead soon enough.
	It can't be dead soon enough.
	Please.
	All right.
	I'm spent.
	I want to play the Kennedy Saunders little jack-off voice.
	Sure, sure, sure, sure.
	Kennedy was at another day of hearings after our last show, which was on Thursday.
	He had a set of hearings on Friday with the Justice Judicial Committee, Senate.
	Bernie Sanders was there, and they went back and forth.
	And we already know that Elizabeth Warren and that other douchebag and those other guys, they were on the other committee that they were at, the finance committee, I think is what it was, were all bought and paid for by big pharma.
	But Bernie Sanders, ah, he never was.
	So he calls out Bernie Sanders, who denies it.
	And then has to admit for some reason, because I guess Kennedy had the data, that Sanders took 1.5.
	I'm doing this in advance because it's kind of muddy.
	1.2.
	I thought it was 1.5.
	Kennedy said 1.5.
	Oh, okay.
	I think 1.2 is Elizabeth Warren.
	But he says 1.5 after Bernie denied it.
	And he says, well, Bernie got all flustered.
	He said, well, it was only 1.5 out of 200 million.
	200 million.
	Sure, it's nothing.
	There's no big deal.
	It's no big deal.
	And then he realized what he was saying and already embarrassed by the onesies stuff.
	He realized what he was saying and he panics and changes the topic.
	Almost all the members of this panel are accepting, including yourself, are accepting millions of dollars from the pharmaceutical industry and protecting their interests.
	I thought that that would come.
	No, no, no.
	I ran for president like you.
	I got millions and millions of contributions.
	They did not come from the executives.
	1.5 million.
	Yeah, out of 200 million.
	All right.
	But you have not answered.
	Last question.
	It's Bernie.
	I think it was...
	Did he really raise $200 million?
	I don't think so.
	When he ran for president, yeah.
	Yeah, that's a lot of money.
	Whoa, it was just a little bit, man.
	Just a little bit.
	Yeah, it was only $1.5 million to chicken feed.
	Yeah.
	This guy's a communist and he says that.
	He really realized what he'd done and he freaked out.
	Have we forgotten that he has like three houses?
	I thought he had five.
	Oh, maybe it's five.
	Yeah.
	Well, socialism has been very, very good to me.
	It was interesting.
	I have one clip from Blackburn talking to Kash Patel, putting the fear of God into people.
	Although I thought she could have done a little more here.
	Our colleagues know you're going to clean it up.
	I want to talk to you about the Epstein case.
	I have worked on this for years, trying to get those records of who...
	Flew on Epstein's plane and who helped him build this international human trafficking, sex trafficking ring.
	Now, earlier, I urged then-Chairman Durbin to subpoena those records, and I ended up being blocked by...
	Senator Durbin and Christopher Wray, they stonewalled on this.
	And I know that breaking up these trafficking rings is important to President Trump.
	So will you work with me on this issue so we know who worked with Jeffrey Epstein in building these sex trafficking rings?
	Absolutely, Senator.
	child sex trafficking has no place in the united states of america and i will do everything if confirmed as fbi director to make sure the american public knows the full weight of what happened in the past and how we are going to counterman missing children and exploited children going fjord what i found disappointing is that she didn't bring up diddy files Ah!
	You know, it's like, hey, will you let us know who went to the freak-off?
	That's what we should have had.
	It's very quiet right now.
	Very quiet around Diddy.
	I don't think constitutional lawyer Rob said he doesn't expect anything to happen before May.
	I hope Diddy stays alive until then.
	But it was just a missed opportunity.
	I mean, that would have made the news.
	Epstein, blah.
	Yeah, Epstein's old news.
	Very old news.
	And it would have been funny.
	It would have been a great clip if she said, will you let us know who went to the freak-off?
	I mean, come on.
	Get it together.
	Get it together, people.
	You should send a note into the staff.
	If you're going to do that stuff, you call the number up at the office and you ask for the chief of staff.
	You never ask for the congressman.
	Oh, no.
	That's wrong.
	No.
	You never get him.
	That's why.
	So you ask for the chief of staff.
	Otherwise, you get an underling.
	But if you ask for the chief of staff, if the chief staff is there, they usually will pick up and talk to you.
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	No Agenda Meetups!
	Well, I don't think I have to explain how important these meetups are.
	So many people mentioned that already, and of course, John did his report of the meetup there in Alameda.
	We did have a big meetup.
	Albany.
	Albany.
	A-W-L. Albany.
	Albany.
	And we had a very big meetup in Chicago.
	This is where Eli the Coffee Guy hung out and more.
	Hey Adam and John, thanks for everything.
	This is your gracious host, Blake Michigan.
	I'm wearing a onesie.
	Brian with a Y. We are here, we're definitely editing in a post and I'm about to pass the phone around.
	We're sucking in soot.
	In the morning, John and Adam.
	This is Baron MBS down here at Reggie's, South Loop, Chicago.
	In the morning.
	This is Kate, and Eli hooked us up with some free coffee.
	What's up, guys?
	This is Eli to Coffee Guys saying, No Agenda is a spectacular podcast, and I'm with some spectacular people here at Reggie's.
	This is Rack from North Riverside.
	In the morning.
	Courtney, guardian of the aero drone.
	Planes bad, trains good, especially after this week.
	Shit.
	Tony in Chicago here, wishing everyone two to the head.
	In the morning, Walter and Stetler.
	Sir, PBR Street Gang coming to you from Chicago.
	Hey guys, leave the comedy to the Bears.
	Dame Trinity visiting from Fort Wayne here in Chicago.
	Having a great time as always.
	Thank you for your courage.
	The Bears who beat Green Bay for the last game with the worst offensive line ever.
	Hey, yay, Bears.
	William here.
	Hi, my name is Armando Padilla.
	I am here with the No Agenda crew at Reggie's Bar.
	And this is my little feedback on the crew.
	I really enjoyed their presence.
	It's really cool to see people connect on a podcast, bringing people together.
	It's also super interesting to see the content that they're talking about.
	You know, we're all tapped into this world.
	Very differently, and I love that this podcast can bring so many people together.
	No agendas.
	Really enjoy it.
	I'm definitely going to be checking it out on my spare time.
	Appreciate you.
	That was the server, which I thought was quite good.
	Wow.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And this is in very liberal Chicago.
	Chicago.
	So I thought that was cool.
	I appreciate that.
	All right.
	Turning around.
	Ralph Reed.
	What about Ralph Reed?
	That's the name.
	It finally came to me.
	Oh, the guy from three hours ago?
	Yeah.
	Let me take a look at Ralph Reed.
	That name means nothing to me.
	Let me see.
	Oh, very famous guy.
	Ralph Reed was the head of the Christian Coalition during the early 1990s.
	He's a consultant lobbyist.
	He was very famous, and then he got caught with some scandal.
	With his pants down?
	What's that in your mouth?
	Well, it was his pants down, something in his mouth, or some money deal, which is probably more likely.
	Ralph Reed, yeah, very famous.
	He was on every show.
	Huh.
	I'd never heard of Ralph Reed.
	Interesting.
	It's interesting you never heard of him.
	Well, what's cool is that people who listen to this whole episode...
	Got the clue at the end of the show.
	I know that many...
	I've been grinding on this for like a day.
	Many have been just sitting here like, ah, I can't figure it out.
	Actually, Ralph came to me first, and then I got the read part later.
	Oh, that's right.
	If you're in Pennsylvania today, the Too Many Kegs Meetup is underway at McGillin's Old Ale House in Philly.
	On Thursday, our next show day, the North Idaho Sanity Brigade meets their first meetup of 2025, 5 o'clock at Trails and Brewery and Brick Oven Pizza.
	That's in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.
	And also on Thursday, the Northern Wake Publical Slave Gathering, 6 o'clock at Saints and Scholars in Raleigh, North Carolina.
	We have more coming up in the month of February.
	Colorado Springs, Snohomish, Washington, Eagle, Idaho, Fort Wayne, Indiana, Rockville, Maryland.
	Bedford, Texas.
	Shelby Township, Michigan.
	Keene, New Hampshire.
	Charlotte, North Carolina.
	Columbia River Basin.
	That's the tri-cities in Washington.
	Ottawa, Ontario.
	That'll be 25% more expensive to send in your meetup report.
	Orlando, Florida.
	And Indianapolis, Indiana on the 23rd.
	Those are just some of the meetups that are taking place.
	There's a whole list.
	You can find them at noagendameetups.com.
	These are producer-organized.
	You take care of yourself.
	You take care of each other.
	Why?
	Because...
	Connection is protection.
	Get that attitude of gratitude.
	Go over to noagendameetups.com.
	If you can't find one, start one yourself.
	Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days.
	You want to be where you want me.
	Drink it or hail the flame.
	You want to be where everybody feels the same.
	Always, always, always like a party.
	You heard it right there.
	It's like a party.
	Even the server's getting on.
	Hey, it's like a party.
	Want to be here.
	So I see you only have one ISO. Yes.
	Huh.
	Because it's so good that if you have something better, good for you.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	I'm going to tell you something.
	Here's a tip for people out there looking for ISOs.
	Books on tape.
	Books on tape?
	Oh.
	Yeah, because the guys...
	Because there's lots of different kinds of things they say, and it's always crystal clear.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Well, should we play yours first?
	I have three.
	No, I want to hear yours first and see if I... Because I'll push this off if you've got something great.
	Okay.
	This doesn't seem very useful.
	It's negative.
	What a way to start a Sunday fun day.
	I'm just saying.
	Yeah, that's pretty good.
	That's not bad.
	We have, oh, good.
	Oh, that's great.
	Oh, that's wonderful.
	Come on, man.
	I didn't like that when you said it the first time.
	Can you beat it?
	Can you beat it?
	Well, let's see.
	The Fun Day Sunday one is good, but check this one out.
	There is no way anything can be this good.
	Hmm.
	Let's do an ISO off.
	What a way to start a Sunday fun day.
	There is no way anything can be this good.
	Oh, man, I don't know.
	I'd leave it to you.
	I'm going to leave it to Beaver.
	Are you going to actually leave it to me?
	Yeah.
	Both.
	No, it's too long.
	With yours first.
	It doesn't fit in the...
	We only have four seconds.
	Well, I'm going to have to relent.
	And even though mine's crystal clear, the fun day Sunday thing is funnier.
	And it is Sunday.
	And it is a fun day.
	And so I don't know.
	Okay, you win.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me just kick this guy because he said both sucked.
	Let me kick him.
	Both sucked.
	He said they both sucked.
	And now ladies and gentlemen, try it once again for the famous John's tip of the day.
	Great advice for you and me.
	Just a tip with JCB. And sometimes Adam.
	I'm going to get to the point where I'm going to start repeating myself on some things.
	Well, then that's the end of the tips of the day.
	No, it's just going to be repeating.
	I think I get a million of them.
	I'm recommending Biosil.
	Have we done this one?
	Have we done Biosil?
	I've mentioned Biosil because I use six drops of this stuff in my concoction.
	But I never discussed it directly.
	People can look it up.
	If they did, I have another.
	I get backup, but I don't think I need it.
	This is a collagen generator.
	This is an invention out of Japan.
	The Japanese are into collagen.
	And if anyone doesn't know this, the recent discoveries in collagen, which is good for the structure of your skin because it holds it together, I don't use this as much as I should.
	But you can buy like marine collagen.
	You can buy all these collagens now because they've changed the way they're manufactured to the point where they can be used.
	They can get into the bloodstream and then go and drop collagen all over the place, which you need for your structure.
	You need collagen?
	Is this true?
	We need collagen?
	Yes, you need collagen.
	And you start to lose it and it starts to fall apart and that's when your face starts to sag and you have all these issues.
	But this stuff is not collagen.
	This is a thing that helps your body get the collagen where it belongs and move it around and make collagen.
	It's like collagen hamburger helper.
	Yes.
	I would say that, which is one of your all-time favorites.
	Yes.
	Hamburger helper is used as an adjuvant is where you started using it.
	Yeah, that's right.
	With the vaccines.
	That's right.
	You remember well.
	This is established years and years ago.
	Yes, true.
	It's a callback.
	It comes in pills, which are extremely expensive, or these drops, which are like half the price and do the same thing.
	The problem with the drops is that if you don't follow instructions on how to use them, it will wreck anything you'd put the drops into.
	Because it's got a weird, bitter flavor that is just like, wah!
	I don't like that in my mouth.
	Are you supposed to eat it?
	No, if you put it in something with citric acid like orange juice or lemon juice, or you wouldn't use lemon juice, but grapefruit juice or orange juice, you don't even know it's in there.
	So you put the six drops in the orange juice and drink the orange juice as normal and this stuff's fabulous.
	So this would be good if you have Ozempic face, you take some of these drops.
	Yeah, I think so.
	I like it.
	Have you been taking them?
	Ozempic?
	No.
	No, the drops.
	Yeah, I've been taking them for years.
	Oh, no wonder you look so young and youthful.
	Oh, yeah, I don't look that young.
	I probably need to take more of it.
	tipoftheday.net, noagendafun.com Great advice for you and me Just a tip with JCD And sometimes Adam Created by Dana Burnetti.
	That's right, everybody.
	That is the end of our broadcast day for today for Sunday Funday, the 2nd of February.
	Grammys tonight, so I'll be getting my...
	Watch party.
	Watch party.
	Looking for the satanic messages.
	That's right.
	That's exactly right.
	The satanic messages, the Illuminati, you know they'll all be there.
	And Taylor Swift.
	It's always a party over there at the Grammys.
	Coming up, we have end of show mixes, Jesse Coy Nelson and Tom Starkweather.
	Two of Tom Starkweather, actually, with a brand new one at the end.
	Coming up next on noagenda.stream and trollroom.io and the modern podcast apps, we have...
	A show you should always be listening to every single week.
	It's live on Wednesday, DH Unplugged.
	And this is the episode where John and Andrew talk about cheap seek.
	Do not want to miss that.
	Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country right here in Fredericksburg where everybody is all happy and excited.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley where the atmospheric river...
	Oh, dud.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We return on Thursday.
	Please join us then.
	Remember us at noagendadonations.com, noagendadonations.com.
	Until then, adios mofos, a hooey hooey, and such.
	Publicans now getting cold feet on how to handle the Mexico tariffs that the president vows will go into effect next week.
	Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Senator John Corbin, they want to talk to the president in private.
	Senators Chuck Grassley, Pat Toomey, Rob Portman.
	They're contemplating legislation to stop the president.
	And what do you think of Republicans who say that they may take action to block you imposing those talks?
	No, I don't think they will do that.
	I think if they do, it's foolish.
	There's nothing more important than borders.
	I've had tremendous Republican support.
	I have a 90%, 94% approval rating.
	I don't know much about Cinco de Mayo.
	I'm never sure what it's all about.
	In an open letter to President Trump, Mexico's president wrote, in part, quote, social problems are not resolved with tariffs or coercive measures.
	The Statue of Liberty is not an empty symbol.
	With all due respect, while you have the sovereign right to express it, your slogan, America First, is a fallacy.
	These Central American migrants are being chased by Mexican immigration agents.
	In coordination with federal police, immigration officials now appear to be adopting a more aggressive approach.
	He said we're going to put tariffs on Mexico.
	Well, Senator said, wait a minute.
	Republicans on the Hill haven't shown a whole lot of willingness to stand up to this president.
	He's got a 90% approval rating among Republican voters, and all the Republican senators know that.
	And every month those tariffs go from 5% to 10% to 15% to 20% and then to 25%.
	Hence the color orange.
	If tariffs is what it takes to get Mexico to do better on their side of the border, I'm all for tariffs.
	Peddling in half-truths.
	Peddling in false states.
	Statements peddling in theories that create doubt about whether or not things that we know are safe are unsafe.
	You frighten people.
	In a gobsmacking statement of irresponsibility.
	Almost all the members of this panel are accepting, including yourself, are accepting millions of dollars from the pharmaceutical industry.
	Oh no!
	I thought that that would...
	Are you supportive of these onesies?
	I'm supportive of vaccines.
	You are going to do such a solid job for the people of this country.
	How long does it keep going?
	At some time, you're just battering the witness.
	Not battering the witness.
	Yes, you are.
	You're getting upset at him.
	You're going at him just like anybody else would.
	Adios, mofo.

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