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	Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
	It's Thursday, June 13, 2019.
	This is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 1146.
	This is No Agenda.
	Meeting fine people on all sides and broadcasting live from the capital of Gitmo Nation, East London, England.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, and I am here admiring the double-decker buses.
	I'm John C. DeVore.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill.
	In the morning!
	You can't have double-decker buses.
	That's for us exclusively here in the Gitmo Nation, East, in the UK. Yeah, well, those days are over.
	So you have double-decker buses in...
	San Francisco.
	No, San Francisco still has, and the reason they don't have them is because everything is electric.
	There's all electric buses, and there's a double-decker bus.
	They can't make that.
	Little suspension thing work, I guess.
	No, it's in the East Bay AC Transit.
	Alameda County Transit.
	And they use the buses.
	I've seen a number of them.
	They use them to go across the bay and they get twice as many people on the bus.
	Or not twice as many, but quite a few more.
	So it's not for tourism, it's for actual transportation?
	Yeah.
	Oh, that's nice.
	Yeah, it's about time.
	Well, they got them here, too, in London.
	They've had them there forever, and it just amazes me how long it takes for somebody else to figure out that's not a bad idea.
	Yeah.
	Well, they should do triple-deckers by now.
	Traffic here is unbelievable.
	It's gotten so bad.
	There's so much that's happened since I was last in the UK, like properly in the UK, not just passing through.
	There's buildings here that weren't here last time I checked it out.
	When was the last time you checked it?
	I'm trying to think.
	How long ago was it that I was actually in London?
	It's been a long time, John.
	It's been maybe since...
	They've got a lot of weird-looking buildings, too.
	Well, I'm looking right at that pointy one.
	There goes a double-decker bus now down the freeway.
	Oh, jeez.
	Is it red?
	No, I'm sorry.
	Is it red?
	No, it's green and white.
	Okay.
	There's a big pointy building.
	Hold on.
	I've got to put my glasses on for a second.
	Wow, there's an architect here.
	We're getting a review.
	I mean, I used to know what happened to the gherkin.
	Did they tear that one down already?
	The big pickle.
	Yeah, what happened to that one?
	I can't see it anywhere.
	I think it's still there.
	Is it behind the big pointy one now?
	There must be five or six different buildings.
	My favorite one is the one that looks like it's falling over.
	Yeah, I can see that one from here.
	That's kind of weird.
	Yeah, well, we chose this location specifically because it was in walking distance of the No Agenda London meetup that we held yesterday.
	Oh, so you're in the Paddington area.
	I am just on the cusp of the Paddington area.
	Very multi-culti.
	Oh, extremely.
	Here's the best laid plan.
	So, we get this hotel.
	I mean, it is...
	I see on the map, it's a four minute walk.
	And, of course, I did not bring the smartphone.
	And I'm hell-bent on, even though, you know, we should have some navigation capabilities.
	I'm like, no, no.
	I can map this out in the room, and I can write down the directions, and I'll be fine.
	Four minutes.
	I swear to God, it took us 15.
	It's the map skills, they really do diminish over time if you don't keep them up.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I went to that same place.
	We had a...
	Yes, this is the Victoria in Paddington.
	Yeah, we went there, and I walked...
	I knew how to get there without...
	I didn't have a smartphone.
	We had a bunch of burners that we could use in the area.
	And so I knew how to get there from the hotel, and it was like you go down the main street that goes past Victoria Station, you take a right, and you just keep walking, and bang, you run right into this place.
	Right there.
	Exactly.
	So...
	I left the event and I figured, well, I'm just going to go back to where I came.
	And for some reason, I took the wrong street back and it was taking me off in the middle of...
	I don't know where I was.
	I had to take a cab.
	It wasn't quite that bad.
	So we arrived 7.30 a.m.
	yesterday morning from our direct flight on Norwegian Air from Austin.
	First time we took this.
	I have to say, very impressed by the budget airline.
	Okay.
	We need a report on this airline because everyone's going to be confronted with it.
	Yeah, a short report.
	Now, American Airlines slash British Airways has a daily flight from Austin to Heathrow.
	And it's very expensive.
	And no matter what class you're in, it's expensive.
	Norwegian competes with that.
	They're a budget airline.
	Actually, I think they're now the biggest...
	Airline from Europe to New York.
	That was kind of their first thing.
	This is the plane with the red nose.
	In fact, their call sign is even red nose and then the flight number.
	I didn't know the red nose.
	Yes, red nose.
	That's because there's a lot of alcoholics in Norway.
	Oh, yeah.
	They're celebrating.
	Celebrating.
	So it's probably about 40% cheaper than British Airways.
	They fly the Dreamliner, the 787.
	Nice aircraft.
	I had not been on this yet.
	Oh, I thought you had because I thought you were raving about it before.
	No, no, no.
	That was the big Airbus.
	I flew on that.
	But the Dreamliner is, besides it being a plastic plane, which is not my favorite...
	Yeah, I thought you were never going to fly on one because it's all plastic.
	Yeah, well, I had to get here one way or the other.
	I can't afford...
	Well, British Airways is Airbus usually, too.
	Um...
	But it's just, it's fantastic.
	I was very impressed that service, you know, you don't get a lot of frills and you can order extra stuff on board and they don't have a...
	Don't they charge for everything?
	My understanding is that they charge for everything.
	Yes, they do.
	They do.
	They charge for a blanket.
	They charge for water.
	They charge you to go to the bathroom?
	No, they don't charge you to go to the bathroom, no.
	I thought it had a coin-operated door.
	No.
	No.
	Good try.
	I was misled by the staff at British Air.
	Well, yeah.
	You wonder why.
	Now, I have to say the keeper has been really smart.
	She is hell-bent and determined on letting everybody know that this is our honeymoon.
	So, right away, in Norwegian air, she says, you know, as we get our glass of water, she says, it's our honeymoon.
	Oh, that's so great!
	And yep, lo and behold, there's two little bottles of champagne.
	Oh, here, these are for you.
	Take these.
	This is actually almost a traveling tip.
	That's a great idea, and the fact is that Norwegian Air is notorious for not giving away booze.
	Exactly, and it was champagne.
	It was Brut from Champagne.
	It wasn't Prosecco.
	Yeah, the little mini bottle.
	It was Prosecco.
	It wasn't.
	Well, so then we...
	As we laugh like a couple of dilettantes.
	Well, if two mid-50-year-olds can get away with it, you know, it's like, yeah, we're newlyweds.
	There was no question, you know, there was no show me your papers, please.
	That traveling chip is worth the price of a donation.
	And it gets better.
	And so when we hear you're at the hotel...
	Of course, when you arrive, I want to talk about the entry process into the UK, something else I hadn't witnessed.
	This is completely biometricized and automatized, but it's better than we have.
	It's better than world entry.
	You just walk up to the thing, you shove your passport, it registers your face, takes a picture for all eternity so we can track you throughout the entire country, but you're done!
	Yeah, it's pretty fast.
	No interview, no nothing.
	Get your bag, walk through the green alley, perfect.
	So we take a cab.
	Back to the tips.
	So back to the tips.
	So we're coming to the hotel.
	And the hotel, of course, we'll obviously check out at noon, check in at 2.
	It's 9 o'clock and we're here.
	And the keeper does it.
	Well, this is our honeymoon.
	Oh, this is great!
	We'll have some champagne for you.
	While we're working on your room, you know, this typically takes a lot longer, but we're going to work on it for you.
	And so we went out into Hyde Park, and there was this window of two hours of really beautiful weather.
	So, you know, we saw the Albert Memorial, the Italian Gardens came back around 1130.
	Our room was already done.
	Yes, we know, you're newlyweds, your room is done.
	And this is almost three hours before they would have to have it done.
	We have our free champagne.
	You know, they do the nice Love Swan origami with the towels on the bed.
	Have you ever seen this?
	No, but I can imagine it.
	And it just works.
	I mean, I'm going to do it every single time.
	You can't go to the same places probably, but this is a good...
	Wait a minute, weren't you guys here last year?
	No, we've never been here.
	So this is a great travel tip.
	TSA in the U.S. did something new to me, though.
	As you know, whenever I travel with Tina...
	Did you tell me it was your honeymoon?
	No.
	Maybe that's what happened.
	So, of course, whenever I travel with Tina, we both get pre-check, even though she's never registered, etc.
	So, whenever I travel alone, even though I'm registered, have a number, I don't.
	So this pre-check, you just throw your bags on.
	I have to take laptops out.
	I've got the whole studio, everything as usual.
	I take my Nokia, my literal cell phone, throw it in my jacket.
	The jacket goes through.
	You go through the magnetometer because you don't go through the body scanner.
	And the guy says, let me see your phone.
	And I think he's like, I'm like, this is a joke or something?
	I can't go through the, I didn't take it.
	He said, I don't have my phone.
	He says, I saw you put it in your bag.
	I said, I put it in my, I was confused.
	I thought he was joking or, I said, okay.
	And so I get my, the Nokia and I hand it to him and he looks at it, kind of weird, and then he swabs it.
	And they were doing this for every other passenger.
	This is new.
	I've never had the cell phone swab.
	Huh.
	Well, there must be an alert ad or something, or someone with a cell phone bomb.
	Well, it makes a lot of sense.
	If you want to know if someone has been in contact with any type of explosives, the best way is to get something, you know, like their cell phone, which you'd be handling, you'd have it up to your face.
	Maybe that's it, yeah.
	Secondary, yeah.
	Because you, yeah.
	That's pretty smart.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so that's what that was.
	Let me see.
	Do we have anything?
	Well, then, you know, obviously, then we have the meetup.
	I've talked to these swabbers a number of times about what they're looking for.
	And, you know, they got all these new tests and they checked things out.
	And I forgot what I got something checked recently that didn't make a lot of sense to me.
	Oh, yeah, I brought it.
	Oh, yeah, it's coming back from Austin from your wedding.
	Yeah.
	And I brought a bunch of seasonings and they were all, they had to check, they've swabbed the crap out of my barbecue seasonings.
	So, but it makes some sense.
	Stuff's slightly explosive anyway.
	Eh, yes.
	Out the other end, but explosive nonetheless.
	Ayo!
	No Agenda Meetup!
	It's like a party!
	That's right!
	The No Agenda Meetup.
	Just a few words about our meetup at the Victoria.
	And we'll be thanking people later on who gave on-the-spot donations.
	I was very surprised.
	I didn't really know what to expect.
	The whole thing was organized by the Earl of Tennessee, Sir Patrick Coble, who flew in from Berlin where he was doing some penetration testing.
	Yeah.
	Actually, I think he does speeches about penetration testing, too.
	Yeah.
	He's got good stories.
	Yes.
	And just a big thanks to him.
	And it's so interesting that our Earl from Tennessee has put this together.
	And when we walked in, it was supposed to be from 6 to 9.30.
	We were more or less on time.
	There were probably about five guys there, including...
	Sir Patrick, like, oh, this is kind of cool, you know, and just, we're chatting, and John, before you know it, we had 50 people there.
	It got really, it was fun, and we would just...
	Did you do a head count, and you came up with 50?
	That's, I didn't do, I was unable to do an exact head count.
	The picture at the end of the evening, which never includes everybody, was over 40.
	So yeah, I think we were at least 50, maybe a little bit more.
	And this was, in my...
	Experience the most diverse group of people we've ever had.
	I mean, white, black, brown, gay, straight, old, young, Tourette's, autism, Asperger, conservative, liberal.
	Everything was represented.
	I was like, wow, this is like the United Colors of Benetton.
	A lot of dudes named Ben, but also there was quite a number of women there.
	Of course, Dame Isabel, who is our first female listener.
	There were a lot of people who had been listening since episode one.
	And universally, this is what we heard from everybody.
	I love this meetup.
	I love meetups with no agenda people because I can speak frankly without having to be worried about overstepping, triggering, saying the wrong thing.
	Somebody with a stick up their ass.
	Here's what I heard from almost everybody.
	I can't say what I think At my work.
	I can't say what I think around my friends.
	I can't say what I think or my opinion at school with my family.
	And people felt an incredible sense of community.
	And by no means were these all KKK, Nazi, Quadroon, Alt-Right nutjobs.
	These just, you know, we had multiple people who work at the BBC. Uh, My favorite has to be the gay magistrate from Manchester, who, by the way, worked for Gove, Michael Gove, and I said straight up, I said, did he ruin the education system in the UK? I said, no, no, no.
	Did you have to go and get his coke?
	I said, no, no, no.
	Just a lot of good information.
	At a certain point, we're taking selfies.
	We're rowdy.
	We're taking over this place.
	It's packed.
	It's drizzling outside.
	It has this perfect London pub vibe.
	And I'm taking some pictures with some of our producers and behind me there's a couple sitting in kind of a booth and they'd been sitting there for a while and I felt that I knocked something over as I backed up and I'm like, oh shit, I turn around and I said, oh, did I knock something?
	And I thought it was their drink, but no, it was just the menu.
	And they look at me and they say, can we ask you a question?
	I said, yeah.
	I said, well, we're from Florida and we just got here and we've never been to London and we wanted to get a real feeling for a typical English pub.
	Who are you guys?
	What kind of club is this?
	They could not figure out what we were about.
	And I said, yeah.
	And who are you?
	What?
	Yeah, this is...
	I can appreciate that.
	I mean, it's non-standard here.
	You created a non-standard situation and they were...
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	And, of course, they were immediately hit in the mouth, and I'm sure they're listening right now.
	Doubt it.
	So, plenty of stories, and I'm sure we'll be talking about that in shows to come, and we have some donations that we'll talk about.
	Just while we're on the topic, simultaneously we had the Oklahoma City Meetup, which was organized by Cassidy Eastwood.
	And I just wanted to read her report.
	He says there were about a dozen of us ranging from 24 years old to 70-ish.
	Sorry, Jimmy, not sure of your age.
	We even had a knight in our presence, surprised, and he surprised us with magic tricks.
	I didn't know we had a magician. - We all fawned over his night ring.
	People came from all over the state.
	Even one drove up from Dallas.
	The first question asked to each arrival was, how did you happen upon no agenda?
	And the best response was given by Air Force John, who was looking for podcasts to listen to and did a search for best podcast.
	Gee, guess what?
	The first result was the best podcast in the universe.
	Which is an accurate search.
	It must have been using Bing.
	Precisely.
	He also made a point to make his first donation.
	We all discussed religion, politics, education, and the general state of the world at large over appetizers and cocktails.
	There were a few strange looks from surrounding tables.
	I greatly enjoyed talking to people whom I knew were open-minded.
	I could feel the serotonin releasing in my brain as I conversed with this group of lovely people.
	One attendee even said, and I quote, I love this because I know that no one here will judge me even if we disagree on something.
	And that is, again, this is the constant observation from everybody who attends a No Agenda Meetup.
	And so we encourage more of those, noagendameetups.com.
	All right.
	News from London.
	Bojo has the mojo.
	Bojo.
	Bojo.
	Boris Johnson has the mojo.
	Oh, I have a Boris Johnson clip from the great Boris Johnson hater.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	James O'Brien, let me just do a little background for people who don't listen to LBC. James O'Brien is this Remainer.
	He is, he hates the Brits.
	Yeah.
	He's really, he's a talk show guy who I think is one of the most skilled at making you look like an idiot, if that's what he wants.
	Mm-hmm.
	In fact, he's so good at it.
	I think people who do his show are making a mistake.
	They shouldn't do it.
	They should just boycott him.
	And he hates everybody.
	He hates Farage.
	He hates Boris Johnson.
	But he's got the goods on Boris Johnson.
	And it's just minor goods, it seems to me.
	But the way he presents it with his over...
	His repetitious approach to slamming somebody, slandering them, is...
	A gift.
	And here we go.
	Boris Johnson is a man who's been fired from jobs for lying about quotes allegedly from his own grandfather.
	Godfather, I beg your pardon.
	Boris Johnson fired from the Times for making up quotes from his own godfather.
	Okay?
	He lied to party leaders, lied to wives, lied to mistresses, went to court to try to stop you from finding out about a little girl that he'd fathered out of wedlock.
	He actually went to court so that you wouldn't find out about his...
	Appalling sexual incontinence.
	And I mean it when I say, because I used to go with sort of conservative coffee mornings and things like that.
	I'd go with my mum sometimes, because it was more of a social occasion.
	And I always had this sort of begrudging suburban respect.
	for that type of Tory, a shyer Tory.
	Because although I felt they were a little bit immune to the suffering of others in some cases, they did seem to subscribe to values, values you could loosely describe as Christian, Christian conservatism.
	And that would be absolutely outraged by the idea of a man going to court to stop you finding out that he'd fathered a little girl outside wedlock while lying to his...
	Come on, isn't that what Trump paid off Stormy Daniels for?
	I mean, where's this guy?
	The times have changed.
	...wives and lying to his mistresses, lying to his voters, lying to his employers, lying to his party leaders, lying to his constituents, lying to his interviewers.
	There's a recording of him that I'll play later in the program of him colluding with a now convicted criminal to get a journalist beaten up.
	If you heard me correctly, it's on tape.
	Boris Johnson agreeing to help a former school friend from Eton to get hold of the address of a journalist because the former school friend from Eton wanted to have him battered.
	So, you see what I mean?
	I just mention any one of those six, seven, eight transgressions, and theoretically, from where I sit, that should be the end of it for a Conservative leadership contender.
	But it's not, which I think signals the end of any claim to moral high ground or morality from the Conservative Party.
	Well, that's really interesting, because he is the number one in the first round of voting.
	By a large margin.
	Let's take a look at a couple to deconstruct a little bit about the way O'Brien does this.
	He definitely does not want to see Boris Johnson as the...
	Actually, he probably does because it would be great for a show.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	A couple of things.
	Once he starts off with this horrible misquoting of his godfather or something and making up quotes and he takes that to an extreme as that's some sort of a horrible thing to do.
	Maybe it was a Misunderstanding is a million things that could be, that could explain it.
	He uses the word colluding for a reason.
	And then he says the way he has to, because he says he lied to human, lied to human, blah, blah, blah.
	He goes on and on and on.
	And then he says, which I thought was just typical of O'Brien, you could take any of these six, seven, eight transgressions.
	And apply them to Trump?
	Well, he didn't say that, but he said you can take any of them and then you can't understand.
	So the conservatives have lost all their credibility because of these six, seven, or eight transgressions.
	What six, seven, or eight transgressions?
	He mentioned two.
	Two citations.
	One, misquoting his godfather and having an illegitimate child that he apparently went to court over.
	And I don't know the details behind it, but I don't hear six, seven, or eight transgressions.
	This is a horrible person, this interviewer, this James O'Brien guy.
	I'm fascinated by his skills, but he's a horrible, horrible guy.
	There's 50 seconds left on the clip.
	Do we play that for...
	If there is, yeah, play it.
	I don't know what it says.
	As you'll know if you listen to this programme on a regular basis, it became inevitable when they introduced base liars to the public life.
	As soon as Farage is allowed to speak unchallenged, undiluted lies and nonsense, the Conservative Party is finished.
	So when they chose to invite him onto their bus to get Brexit over the line, that was the death knell for any claims in the Tory party to integrity...
	Or probity.
	For the very simple reason that if one liar goes unchallenged, lies move into the mainstream.
	Which is how you have a man who conspired to have a journalist beaten up, who went to court to stop you finding out about his daughter born out of wedlock, who's lied to both of his wives, all of his mistresses, every constituent, every employer, every party leader, every colleague, every interviewer, every journalist he's ever encountered.
	He's not just lied to them, he's actively agitated to deceive them.
	No, it's an outrage, I tell you.
	It's just scandalous.
	Scandalous.
	I guess he came up with three because he had this thing about beating up some guy.
	A couple more.
	Which I like to look into.
	But it's besides the point.
	So Johnson is being attacked by the left, and this guy is representative of that.
	And I still wonder whether, you know, he had his shot.
	He could have been the prime minister, a lot of people believe, before Trump.
	Theresa May stepped in front of the line and took the job, but I don't know.
	I don't know if Johnson...
	I don't know.
	I have no idea what people think.
	Do anyone think he's a good guy?
	Should be a prime minister?
	I'm not sure.
	Well, as I said, the main, the evening standard, which is edited by George...
	Who's the guy?
	George Osborne.
	Remember George Osborne?
	Yeah.
	He was the...
	What was he?
	Was he chancellor?
	I don't remember what he did.
	So he edits the evening standard, and that was the headline when we arrived, was Bojo's got the mojo.
	And looking at the first round of voting, I'm not quite sure how the whole system works, how many rounds there are, but he had, I think, 114, and it was, was it, who's the Jeremy guy?
	Hunt?
	Hunt?
	Yeah, I think he was number two.
	Jeremy Hunt.
	Yeah, with 42 votes or whatever it is.
	I was prepping the show so I couldn't follow all of it.
	But it'll be interesting to see.
	There's a lot going on here.
	People at the meetup will say we're completely effed.
	They've kind of given up on it.
	Well, about the getting out of the – how's the Brexit chit-chat?
	Is they going to get out or not?
	I think universally people think do-over is in the cards and then no Brexit.
	And I did want to mention – I think I sent you a link to it.
	The BBC had a two-hour or two-part, each part one-hour documentary about – which was filmed with permission from Guy Verhofstadt.
	He's the crazy gap-toothed guy from the European Parliament.
	Was he Belgian Prime Minister?
	He was bigwig in Belgium when they still had a government.
	And he allowed someone from a Belgian cameraman to shoot a documentary.
	And this is...
	Inside his office, the car, the train, late at night, all the swear words.
	It actually made me wonder how much they didn't put in it.
	And he didn't really disclose this to anybody who was around him at the time.
	And he was the coordinator of the Brexit steering committee for these two and a half years or two years.
	And it's a fascinating look at the other side that we never really hear much about.
	Did you see this by any chance?
	No, I didn't have time to see it, no.
	I'll watch it for sure now.
	You can't really pull any clips from it, but at a certain point you see, and they're in the European Parliament building in Brussels, and they go to Strasbourg, and you kind of get a little idea of how that works, and there's a lot of food.
	Where every single shot, there's always food.
	They're eating, they're drinking.
	They do meetings, and they drink wine at the meetings, which is kind of, I think, a good thing.
	Definitely verboten in the United States.
	Yeah, well, the link is in the show notes.
	It's well worth watching.
	Particularly, you get the speechwriters who are then, as it gets very close, like, yeah!
	Yeah!
	Yeah, we screwed him!
	We sent him back to being a colony!
	They're all jacked up and jitty about it.
	It's a cool thing.
	It's fun to watch because we never get that side of it.
	And certainly not to that degree.
	Again, I wonder what wasn't put in it.
	I had a question for you, though.
	There was an article that the New York Times published, headline...
	That Google made $4.7 billion from the news industry and now it's time for the news industry to take it back.
	That wasn't the exact headline.
	Did you follow any of this?
	It's been debated a little bit, and most people think it's bogus.
	Well, I thought it was scandalous that the New York Times, first of all, they didn't really even disclose that this was a news industry lobbying group that they're a part of.
	Which is the News Media Alliance who are lobbying for House Resolution 2054, the Journalism Competition and Preservation Act of 2019.
	That was nowhere to be found in their article.
	Of course not.
	It's the New York Times.
	They don't let you know what they're up to anymore.
	It's a horrible operation.
	Well, I'd like to know what your LibJoes thought of this.
	In particular, the assertion made, based on a comment from Marissa Meyer in 2008, where she offhandedly, although it was, I think, an investor situation, so it can be taken with some degree of certainty, That in 2008, Google News had made approximately $100 million from news.
	And that was the whole quote.
	And they extrapolated that by adding 10 years to it and said, yeah, looks like $4.7 billion is what we're not making and Google is stealing from us.
	And now they have this lobbying group.
	It is a 501c4, and it's the lobbying for the passage of House Resolution to Build Journalism Competition and Preservation Act of 2019, which would allow all news publishers...
	Which, by the way, we wouldn't qualify for because you have to have professional editors on payroll.
	You have to have at least a million people interacting with your website on a monthly basis.
	If you have that many people that you just described, you don't need help from the government.
	I know where this stems from.
	Well, let me just tell you what the plan is.
	The plan is they want 48 months.
	So they want, what is that, four years?
	They want four years to have...
	Anti-trust, anti-competition laws, what is the word, not apply to the news industry so they can collude with each other over a four-year period to find out how they can screw Google and Facebook back.
	That's, in essence, what it is.
	They want to be able to work together as a group and figure out how to get the money back.
	These are the kind of idiots that are running the business.
	First of all, this stems from the Canadians who decided to put a fund together and give the newspapers a bunch of free money.
	That's right.
	So they want to say, well, you know, they're doing it up there.
	They're getting free money.
	We should do the same thing.
	The second thing is this nonsense about Yahoo and it being extrapolated.
	Yahoo is a news organization in a lot of ways, one whole division.
	They take the Associated Press feed.
	They pay for it.
	They have writers that they pay money to.
	Yahoo Sports is very competitive.
	It's probably as competitive as ESPN or Sports Illustrated when it comes to print.
	I'd like to interrupt your analysis because I want this to continue after I play these two clips, which explain a little bit more about how they really feel about it.
	So this is a bill that's called the Siciline Bill, Representative David Siciline.
	Here he explains briefly what the News Media Alliance is about with H.R. 2054.
	This is a really important issue for everyone in our country because we all recognize that our democracy is strongest when we have a free and diverse press that informs citizens, holds concentrated power accountable, and roots out corruption.
	As Justice Louis Brandes wrote in 1927, those who won our independence believe that public discussion is a political duty, that the greatest threat to freedom is an uninformed citizenry, and that the freedom of thought and speech are indispensable to the discovery and spread of political truth.
	But today, as you all know, these bedrock constitutional values are facing existential threats by news gatekeepers of information, dominant platforms.
	Last year, Facebook and Google amassed more than $60 billion from online advertising, the majority of online ad revenue.
	And despite record levels of online readership, news publishers have seen a steep decline in revenue during the rise of these technology giants.
	The bottleneck is bleeding news publishers dry, and you see evidence all across this country.
	And in the absence of a competitive marketplace, newsrooms across the country are laying off reporters and editorial staff or folding altogether.
	This is happening to legacy news companies and digital publishers alike.
	There is no question that we've reached a tipping point.
	What's really important to remember is this is not just a marketplace that's not working and providing an absence of competition where we're sort of losing the kind of sale of widgets.
	This is about the very foundation of our democracy, access to reliable, trustworthy local news.
	If this trend continues, we risk permanently compromising the news organizations that are essential to uncovering corruption, holding the government and powerful corporations accountable, and sustaining our democracy.
	Oh, yes.
	The old democracy.
	What is never mentioned is that they never, newspapers, never made money off of news.
	Ever.
	And they blew it.
	You were, I think, weren't you, you and I both a part of the Newmark conversation?
	Yeah.
	With Hearst?
	No, it was not.
	Hearst wasn't there.
	It was the publisher that was married to, what's her name, the actress.
	Yeah, the Sharon Stone.
	Yeah, what's his...
	Mr.
	Stone.
	Bronfman?
	Mr.
	Stone.
	Bronfman?
	Bronstein.
	Bronfman.
	No, no, no.
	Bronstein.
	Bronstein?
	You're thinking the guy who used to run Seagrams.
	Yeah, isn't that the guy?
	Wasn't he also married to Sharon Stone?
	I think, no, I don't believe so.
	It's possible.
	I can't remember now.
	So, Bronstein is in there telling the story.
	We will tell it again.
	You're right.
	Joe Bronstein, I'm sorry.
	Yes.
	Yeah, you're saying that.
	Phil Bronstein.
	Yeah, I'm wrong.
	I'm wrong.
	Yes, Bronstein.
	Bigger name.
	Yes, sir.
	Okay, so Bronstein's in there and he tells the story.
	He says that in the early days of the net, they'll call it the net.
	Craig Newmark comes in, the guy who does Craigslist, and it was in the 90s, and it was, you know...
	Making money off of classifieds.
	It was making money off of classifieds locally.
	It was doing these free...
	And they were free classifieds, and his whole theory was you just give away the...
	Because the computer, you know, it's text.
	It doesn't take a lot to store it and send it around.
	It's not a lot of overhead in terms of...
	Resources of the internet resources.
	And so his idea was to give free classifieds to everybody and then let people pay for job listings and things that are a little more, you know, that can actually bring in some cash.
	And he sort of reversed the whole model of how classifieds work.
	And so he goes in there and...
	He talks to Bronstein, I guess, and I don't know who else was at the meeting, but he says he comes in and offers them the whole Craigslist model.
	Yeah, for like $2 million or something.
	Some ridiculously low amount.
	But if he said a figure, it wasn't much.
	But he offered him the model, and they said, we know how to do classifieds.
	We don't need your help, you dumb shit.
	Get out of here.
	And so they kicked him out, pretty much.
	I mean, I'm sure they didn't say that, but it's something like that.
	And this, I've seen this happen...
	in other situations.
	And I also saw it happen with classifieds when I was a fly on the wall at the Media Lab in Massachusetts, where they were, where Hearst Corporation was meeting with the Media Lab people to discuss something about I'm not sure actually what it was anymore, but something like that was brought up in that meeting too.
	And it was the same kind of response.
	You know, we know what we're doing.
	Yeah, I had the same.
	Before we were Think New Ideas as OnRamp, we pitched Tribune Company in Chicago.
	You know, that beautiful building they have there.
	The radio station was still down.
	I don't know if it's still there.
	And we got laughed out of the building.
	We have Story Server.
	Wasn't that the thing, Story Server?
	What was it?
	Gosh.
	What was that content management system?
	Vignette?
	Vignette, yes.
	Vignette Story Server.
	We're like, you need classifieds.
	We've got an idea for that.
	That's how you've been making them.
	No, no, no.
	This is a new world.
	We know how to make money off of news.
	Well, they've never made money off of news.
	It was always the classifieds.
	That was the main thing.
	Classifieds went away.
	That's when the problem started.
	But oh no, now all of a sudden it's news.
	I disagree with that.
	And I think that's a myth.
	I think this comes up a lot and I think it came up in these clips that you have.
	The problem started...
	With television.
	And it started a long time ago.
	And you can look at the curves, the growth curves and everything else with the newspaper business.
	They don't like to talk about it, but that's where it started.
	Television came in with the hourly reports and nightly news and all the Cronkite to Huntley and Brinkley.
	And those guys came in and they just started taking the impetus away from the newspapers who really had to compete with the television guys who were stealing a lot from them.
	Those are the guys that were stealing from television.
	I'm sorry, they were stealing from newspapers.
	If you worked at a radio station in the 50s or 60s, everyone will say the same thing.
	We'd get the newspaper.
	We'd clip the articles that were interesting and we'd run them as news.
	Right, okay.
	And they, where was the lawsuits then?
	Where was the big stink?
	Nah, they got ripped off left and right during that, and they got, they started shrinking, and shrinking to the point where, and it was all, it was pre-internet, is when they had something called a joint operating agreement, which all the newspapers jumped in on when they gave this, this was the last time that they soaked the government.
	So they said, let's take a joint, let's make these joint operating agreements because Especially because of television.
	The evening newspapers were all dying because the evening newspaper was the one that you'd read on the way home.
	But once the evening news came on, nobody was reading the evening newspapers.
	So they had to dream up this joint operating agreement.
	Locally, it was the San Francisco Examiner and the San Francisco Chronicle.
	And it was in Chicago and Detroit.
	Every place around the country did this.
	They joined forces because they needed to.
	And they kind of, you know...
	They started emphasizing the morning paper more.
	They shared resources and shared profits.
	And that was the first idea.
	That was the first collusion that they needed to do.
	They were never competitive with it.
	They never could figure out how to do this right.
	And they've been failing and failing and failing and continued to fail.
	And when the Internet came along and took the classifieds away, that just was the icing on the cake for just the demise of the whole operation because they couldn't figure out what they were doing.
	They were incompetent.
	There's something that they do in the United Kingdom on television late night, which would typically be our news time slot, maybe 10 or 11 p.m.
	I know where you're going with this, and I agree.
	This is a great idea.
	I love this.
	They sit down with two people, and these guests, they vary.
	Sometimes it's an editor of a newspaper, it's politicians, it can be someone from show business, and they go through all the papers that will be published in the morning.
	And they show the headlines, and they have an analysis, and they talk about what's in the paper.
	I've always thought that was fantastic.
	It's very engaging to watch.
	And, of course, you don't have to buy the damn paper the next day.
	Well, if it's done right, and I think the Brits do it right, I know that most people in the United States can get these reports if you get Sky News on Pluto.
	Yeah!
	Yeah, exactly.
	Sky News does it very well.
	And they've been doing that for, gosh.
	But BBC does it too, don't they?
	Don't they have a version of it on BBC? Or is it only Sky?
	They probably do, but I don't.
	Sky News is the one that impresses me the most.
	And you have to remember, Sky News was once part of the Murdoch empire.
	So they're not killing themselves.
	And Murdoch's mostly a newspaper guy.
	This was a form of promotion for the papers because they'd go on about something that might interest you.
	And I think you might pick up the paper.
	The British newspaper business is a lot different than ours.
	What makes it even more interesting is that News Corp is heavily represented in this news media alliance.
	And the only other clip I have is the short one from Tony Bush.
	She is the government affairs executive at News Corporation.
	What I think has been missing in the discussion up until recently is the fact that Google and Facebook are in the advertising business.
	Google made $135 billion last year off of advertising.
	Facebook made $56 billion off of advertising.
	The entire digital advertising market is around $237 billion.
	So they've taken $195 billion out of it, which leaves around $30 billion for everybody else, including the newspaper industry.
	And that is really the crux of the problem that we're facing, which is the system is broken.
	The antitrust laws have not been enforced during the evolution of, Of the tech platforms, and we need to both investigate that, but in the interim, we need a solution, and the Cicilline bill is really that solution.
	Okay, so we can collude with each other for four years and come up with a way to screw them back.
	It's not going to happen.
	No.
	These guys, there's the dumbs versus the smarts.
	And this nonsense that Google is...
	You know, you go to Google.
	Go to google.news.com and you can see what...
	There's not even an ad on that entire page.
	You mean news.google.com?
	What did I say?
	Google.news.com.
	Let me see what that is.
	News.google.com.
	Let's see if that is anything.
	Oh, it goes straight to CNET.com.
	That's funny.
	Yeah, news.com is owned by CNET. They bought it right away.
	Anyway, the...
	They actually do not run advertising on the news.
	That's something that Google is very vocal about.
	Ah, we don't run ads on that.
	No, they make their money on search.
	If you're searching for some news story and you're on the page, you're going to get some ads.
	And it's got nothing to do.
	It's not taking revenue.
	These guys are shooting themselves in the foot.
	This is the same thing that happened in Belgium, I think, or one European country.
	Remember, this was about 10 years ago.
	They were all upset.
	Oh, Google, they're indexing and citing our paper.
	And they're making people link to us.
	People are coming from these links.
	So we don't like that because we don't have control of it.
	So we don't want Google linking to us anymore.
	So they stopped linking to them and they went out of business.
	Something I did not clear.
	They want the Google link, dummy.
	Something I didn't clip, but there was part of what they were talking about at this News Alliance panel was, well, you know, when you click on the story, Google gets all the information.
	Well, what are you in, newspapers?
	Are you in the news business?
	Are you in the information about people business so you can turn it around and do something with that?
	And they all fell for the whole AMP thing.
	Remember that?
	AMP. Yeah, you got to get Google AMP because then it loads faster and it's fantastic.
	And Google AMP means that everything you do runs through Google, you dipshits.
	And they're like, yeah, yeah, we're all on Google AMP. And they did the same thing when Facebook was like, yeah, we're all about news.
	I don't even remember this Google AMP. Yeah, I think it's still used.
	Geez.
	Yeah, it was Amplify or something.
	Everyone's like, oh, yeah, because it preloads and it's compressed on both sides.
	And thank you, Google.
	And Facebook, you recall Facebook said, we're changing the algo for news.
	Everyone, oh, yeah, great.
	And they change it back to friends and family like, oh, boo.
	Yeah, it is.
	Accelerated mobile pages.
	That's what AMP stood for.
	Thank you, troll room.
	Was this something for phones?
	Yeah, it was for mobile.
	For mobile to make everything faster on mobile.
	Well, I looked at the most recent Mary Meeker Interstate of the Internet report, which is 333 pages long this year.
	I'm glad she's doing some with her time.
	Everything is stagnated.
	Revenue is not really dropped here and there.
	Stagnant, stagnant, stagnant.
	Everything is kind of plateauing.
	But mobile...
	It's now double desktop.
	It's just surpassed everything, which I'm sure a lot of people are happy about, because we want these spy devices to be on your person at all times, so we know exactly what you're doing.
	That's the real juice they got, not the news.
	Well, this has been predicted, of course, for years, that mobile would take over most of the action on the Internet, and...
	Okay.
	So, right along with this, I think we should do a quick little callback to the adpocalypse deconstruction that we did on the last episode, which I think most people appreciated.
	And I think, at least the feedback I've been getting is, huh, I really didn't look at it in just the pure commercial sense that these guys are in competition for the advertising dollars, which is what you literally just heard from the entire news business.
	It's like, they're in advertising and we're in advertising and that's not fair.
	Yeah.
	You have time code for that.
	That's a new voice.
	It is a new voice.
	I have to work on him.
	Susan Wojcicki, who is the CEO of YouTube, in what I believe is a crisis move, showed up on Recode for a 45-minute interview, which is on YouTube.
	And Recode is owned by Vox.
	There are a lot of Vox journos there.
	And even the guy who was doing the interview, I don't know if he's just a Recode guy or if he's higher up in Vox.
	And talking about this adpocalypse, and I had to pull a couple of clips because it's so beautiful, the things that are being said here.
	But the first thing...
	I think that we talked about this that kind of got snowed under is the whole controversy over Crowder and Carlos Maza was about LGBTQ and it was taking place during Pride Month and it's unbelievable during Pride Month someone said something horrible about a gay man on YouTube.
	And this is the first thing out of her mouth!
	Oh, if I hadn't...
	I love those setups.
	Here we go.
	The first thing out of her mouth!
	A lot of things happened last week, and it's great to be here and talk about what happened.
	But I do want to start, because I know that the decision that we made was very hurtful to the LGBTQ community, and that was not our intention at all.
	Should we just set context for anyone who's not following this, what decision this was?
	Yeah, so I'll go into that, but I thought it was really important to be upfront about that and to say that was not our intention, and we're really sorry about that.
	But I do want to explain why we made the decision that we did, as well as give information about the other launch that we had.
	Are you just heckling the clip or her?
	What are you doing?
	This condescending, valley girl, up-talk, borderline, vocal fry voice of hers is enough to drive anyone crazy.
	She's in her mid-40s, and this must be a milieu thing.
	She just celebrated 20 years.
	Yes, it has to be a milieu.
	20 years at Google.
	20 years at Google.
	She just celebrated two decades.
	So it's milieu, and that's how we talk.
	...going on.
	So really, there were two different things that happened at the same time.
	And the first one I'll talk with is we made a really significant change involving hate speech.
	Hold on.
	The first one that I'll talk with?
	Yeah, I know.
	She does a lot of this stuff.
	I'll play it again.
	Is this some sort of Google talk?
	Some Goog talk?
	I mean, is this some sort of an affectation amongst the Googlers?
	Is that hyphenated, Goog talk, or is it one word?
	I think, well, let's say Goog.
	It has to be hyphenated.
	Goog talk.
	Two different things that happened at the same time.
	And the first one I'll talk with is we made a really significant...
	I think she's just, she does a lot of this.
	She wants to say something different, like the first thing I will address with you, or I don't know, but her brain was behind her mouth.
	Or ahead, who knows?
	This is something we had been working on for months.
	So I'll just preset this up.
	Apparently, it was a great coincidence that they had been working for months on new hate speech rules for their platform.
	And on the very same day they launch it, this controversy starts.
	I mean, it's just unbelievable.
	And we launched it on Wednesday of last week.
	This is a series of policy changes you've been rolling out for years.
	So we've been making lots of different policy changes on YouTube.
	And this past week, we made a change in how we handle hate speech.
	Excellent.
	And that took months and months of work and hundreds of people we had working on that.
	And that was a very significant launch and a really important one.
	I love how they've clearly been able to come up with rules, and she details them in a moment, about hate speech, something that legally cannot even be done.
	But yeah, okay.
	And what we did with that launch is we made a couple big changes.
	One of them was to...
	Make it so that if there's a video that alleges that some race or religion or gender or group, protected group, is superior in some way and uses that to justify discrimination or exclusion, that would now no longer be allowed on our platform.
	Similarly, if you had a religion or race and they allege that inferiority, Yeah.
	So I can't say, hey, the 49ers stink.
	They're inferior to the Raiders.
	So sports talk is now eliminated from YouTube?
	I think you're very close.
	Here she expands on these regs.
	Examples would be like race X is superior to X, is superior to Y, and therefore Y should be segregated.
	Okay, that sounds clear to me.
	I'm all good.
	If you're X or Y, then you're in trouble.
	This is literally her example.
	Examples would be like race X is superior to X, is superior to Y, and therefore Y should be segregated.
	I can see the Googers.
	I can see them on the whiteboard.
	Okay, here's race X and race Y and Y. We do the root square root of that.
	These guys, everything's mathematics to them.
	Everything.
	Like, even hate speech.
	Oh, we got a formula for that.
	Is it weird to you that you had to make a rule that said this shouldn't be allowed, that this wasn't covered either by an existing rule, that you had to tell your community, look, this is not acceptable?
	Well, so, actually, a lot of this, you know, we're a global company, of course, and so if you look at European laws, there are a number of countries that have a really strong hate speech law.
	Which country has very strong hate speech laws?
	I know what she's referring to.
	She's referring to Germany's, you can't talk Nazi stuff, you can't have a swastika.
	And there's some in the UK. There's some of that in the UK. But I don't know about very strong, but okay.
	A lot of this content had never been allowed in those countries, but it had actually been allowed in the US and many other countries.
	And so what we had actually done with it a few years ago is we had actually had limited features of So what she's saying, actually, is that they actually already had these limitation features on hate speech, actually, and they had actually made that less restrictive in the U.S. All they had to do was flip a switch, apparently.
	Meaning that it wasn't in the recommendations, it wasn't monetized, it had an interstitial in front of it to say that, you know, this was content that we found offensive.
	And when we did that, we actually reduced the views to it by 80%.
	It's interesting.
	What she's saying here is the way they have their system actually already working, actually, is they would not put an ad in front of it.
	They would maybe even put an interstitial, which would be that she means a warning.
	And what they would do is they would reduce its viewership or its surfacing as a recommendation by up to 80%.
	Notice not 100% not kicking you off.
	Why?
	Because she does want people to view you, your video, and click on other things where they can make advertising money.
	And that is explained in a moment.
	But another example...
	We found that it was effective, but we really wanted to take this additional step.
	And we made this step on Wednesday.
	We also added, which is really important, a few other definitions to protected groups.
	So we added caste because YouTube has become so significant in India.
	And then we also added victims of verified violent events.
	So like saying the Holocaust didn't happen or Sandy Hook didn't happen also became violations of our policies.
	And so this was happening on Wednesday and we launched it on Wednesday.
	Just as an example, you can't say no one got hurt at Sandy Hook.
	Because if people got hurt during a big, massive event, then you can't deny that.
	That's very interesting that that's the tack that they've chosen.
	And the reason why is, of course, apparent in this one.
	When we look at these accounts, there are many different components that we look at.
	If I were to do it again, I would put it all into one...
	Do it in one go.
	Yeah, I would do it all in one go.
	We're not going to help you make money on YouTube.
	We're suspending monetization.
	Meaning, we're not going to run ads against your stuff if you still want to sell racist coffee mugs or whatever you're selling.
	That's your business, but we're not gonna help you.
	We're not gonna put an ad in front of your stuff.
	So what she's explaining here is why they will demonetize, but will not kick somebody off.
	...mugs or whatever you're selling.
	That's your business, but we're not gonna help you.
	We're not gonna put an ad in front of your stuff.
	Well, we said we're not going to put an ad in front of it, but the conditions by which we will turn it on can be broader than just that.
	So, for example, if they're selling merchandise and linking off of YouTube and that is...
	See, what she's saying is if you're making money outside of us, yeah, we really don't want you to do that, so we're going to kind of demonetize you.
	But if you stop doing that...
	And this is just a mug that they're referencing.
	I don't think it was a racist mug.
	Was it a racist mug?
	I don't think so.
	It was just a mug.
	It's just a mug.
	Plug in that guy, Crowder, whatever his name is.
	Right.
	So this is a commercial decision, which I understand.
	Well, she finishes up.
	20 seconds.
	Seen as racist or causing other problems, that's something that we will discuss with the creator.
	Yeah.
	Because again, we're putting advertising there.
	So we need to make sure that the advertisers are going to be okay with it and we have a higher standard.
	And so we can sort of look at all different parts of that creator and what they're doing and basically apply that higher standard there.
	She never mentions what the higher standard is because we all know what it is.
	Brand safe.
	That's your higher standard.
	Yes, this is something we've been harping on.
	Now I should mention...
	I don't know why this has surprised anybody.
	If anyone has experience with Google AdSense in the early days, Google was very adamant about how these things are going to be placed.
	They didn't want competition.
	They don't like the idea.
	So they don't want you doing anything that would interfere with their streams.
	Their financial streams come in there.
	They don't want you kind of...
	Latching on to somehow and piggybacking on and making money on your own without them being in the middle.
	It's all got to go through them.
	Yes.
	It's just a style.
	People don't have to go along with it.
	There's alternatives, but nobody wants, you know, YouTube is set up to, you know, make it easy for everybody to put their videos there.
	So an assertion.
	You know what happens, by the way, if YouTube just folds and all the videos go away.
	How would the world be different?
	And how would people react to that, I wonder?
	Well, an assertion that we came up with is that these Celebrity YouTubers are insignificant to their business.
	Insignificant to their business in regards to the actual revenue.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Well, she's going to tell you how insignificant.
	What percentage do you think of their entire, well, she doesn't necessarily say revenue, but of all the videos that are monetized by Google, what percentage do you think is big and problematic?
	Or just problematic because they're big?
	You mean they're too big to fail?
	No, the ones like Crowder and Joe Rogan or Alex Jones or Laura Loomer or Laura Southern or any of these people who think they're really important.
	What percentage of YouTube's actual business is that?
	Probably 1% or less.
	I just can't fathom why there's 8 million pieces of terrible things coming onto your site on a quarterly basis, but that would really upset me and worry me.
	Well, it matters what's the denominator.
	You gave the numerator, right?
	And so we have a large denominator, meaning we have lots of content that's uploaded and lots of users and lots of really good content.
	And when we look at it, what all the news and the concerns and the stories have been about this fractional 1%.
	If you talk about the other 99 point, whatever that number is, that's all really valuable content of people who are sharing valuable points of view that we haven't heard about, educational content, addressing really important issues.
	I think it's important to remember that and put that in perspective.
	And I say that not because we are not committed to solving the fractional 1%.
	We are very committed.
	And I've been really clear that responsibility is my number one priority.
	And there is a lot of work for us to do.
	I acknowledge that.
	But I also know that we have tremendous tools at our fingertips that we can continue to invest in to do a better job.
	Fractional 1%.
	She can't even give us the fraction.
	It's so small.
	It's probably half of a percent.
	Responsibility is her number one priority.
	No, what was it again?
	She has a funny phrase.
	Was it right in the beginning?
	No, it was near the end.
	Let's see.
	It's kind of different.
	I want to do it.
	Involving the fractional 1%.
	We are very committed, and I've been really clear that responsibility is my number one priority.
	Responsibility.
	Responsibility?
	What does that mean?
	I think she means...
	What's your number one priority?
	Responsibility?
	It's like, what's your number one priority?
	You know, keep my...
	I'm washing my hands before I... No, no.
	Response?
	What she means in Googspeak.
	It should be Googspeak, not Googtalk.
	I think it's Googspeak.
	You think it's better?
	Googtalk.
	Googtalk.
	Googspeak.
	Googspeak could fit more within a normal meme.
	Yeah.
	We'll have to debate this later.
	Goog speak.
	You take responsibility for the borderline fractional 1% of issues.
	That's why she took responsibility for hurting the LGBTQ community, you see.
	The first question out of the gate, the first question she got from the audience was Ina Freed.
	Are you familiar with Ina Freed?
	Oh, yeah.
	Ina Fried, who used to be Ian Fried, is transgender.
	Oh, I deadnamed her.
	I'm sorry.
	And here was her question.
	Yep.
	Ina Fried with Axios.
	You started off with an apology to the LGBTQ community, but then you also said that you were involved and that you think YouTube made the right call.
	A lot of people don't really feel like that's an apology and are concerned that YouTube flags LGBT positive content just for being LGBT as sometimes, you know, sensitive, and yet slurs are allowed.
	And I'm curious, are you really sorry for anything to the LGBTQ community, or are you just sorry that they were offended?
	That's a good question.
	But listen, woo!
	I don't know why the audience is over.
	So first of all, I'm really personally very sorry.
	And it was not our intent.
	Our goal was, you know, YouTube has always been a home of so many LGBTQ creators.
	And that's why it was so emotional.
	Oh my God, what is wrong with this woman?
	So emotional.
	This really...
	That's why, even though it was a hard decision, it was made harder than it came from us because we've been such an important home.
	What is wrong with her is that this is their problem.
	This is their fractional 1% issue.
	Is that the social justice warriors are relentless, will not stop for anything, find fault in almost anything anyone says.
	It's social justice warriors.
	And they don't want the stories.
	They can't have the negative press, and we've been through this, because that...
	I didn't clip all of this, of course, but she even says, oh, no, we've reduced these things to 50%.
	All of this whole...
	Blitz that she's on is to inform advertisers it's safe over here.
	It's less than 1%.
	And even that, we don't even show them almost.
	20% maybe.
	I think they're in some serious trouble when it comes to the advertising business.
	I think they're going to have a real problem.
	I mean, since they haven't taken over the whole thing...
	Yes.
	And they're set in a position where they have to grow to maintain their stock price and everything in between.
	They're in serious trouble insofar as growth, but I don't think they're in serious trouble insofar as it's going to recede on them and they're going to make less and less money like the newspapers.
	Well, the competition for their type of advertising is growing, and that's all the other streaming services, including the M5M television networks, who are all now going into streaming, and where people are buying more ads.
	Well, those ads would have gone to...
	They're fractional ads and they would have gone into network TV if they could afford them.
	Because that's where the action is for the big money spends nowadays.
	There's big magazines used to suck them up.
	Good big giant magazine would get...
	I think Vogue magazine is still a big giant magazine.
	You can get $50,000 for a page.
	Mm-hmm.
	Which you can't...
	There's nothing like that online.
	No.
	And...
	I don't know.
	I... I think their problem is this introspection maybe damaging them when you have somebody like this woman who's just fretting, fretting and worried, sick, apologizing in awkward ways that she can get called out for not apologizing when she probably is sincerely apologizing instead of apologizing.
	I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.
	I'm sorry you think I hurt your feelings.
	I'm sorry.
	That's my favorite.
	I'm sorry you felt butthurt about that.
	Yeah.
	I'm sincerely sorry that you, you know, that sort of apology, which is not what she did, but that she got called on it anyway and folded.
	She should have just jumped on him and said, that's not what I said.
	No.
	I didn't say that.
	She could have honestly said that.
	She didn't say that.
	No.
	I didn't say I'm sorry because you felt bad.
	I said, I am sorry that this happened.
	Period.
	Period.
	Well, the correct answer came from Google CEO Sundar Pichai, who was interviewed separately by Ina Fried.
	Quickie.
	I thought maybe a good place to start is YouTube, and obviously it comes up a lot.
	What goes through your mind when you watch a video like the recent one?
	You had this teenager who had appeared to be donning Muslim garb spewing a lot of...
	Anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic, homophobic, hate.
	What goes through your mind when you see a video like that and see that it's gotten 350,000 views?
	I'm thinking, let me see, 350 times 15 CPM. I'm thinking, bingo!
	I don't know all the details of this specific video, but in general, look, I mean, all of us, you know, none of us want harmful content on our platforms.
	I think last quarter alone, we removed 9 million videos from the platform.
	More recently we have introduced, just like today we do this in search, we rank content based on quality.
	And so we're bringing that same notion and approach to YouTube so that we can rank higher quality stuff better and really prevent borderline content.
	Content which doesn't exactly violate policies which need to be removed.
	But which can still cause harm.
	And so we are working hard.
	It's a hard computer science problem.
	It's also a hard societal problem because we need better frameworks around what is hate speech, what's not, and how do we as a company make those decisions at scale and get it right without making mistakes.
	I love that it's just a hard computer science problem.
	That's got to be my favorite answer.
	That's classic.
	Now, I want to mention something.
	Don't you think a website that would just totally kick butt would be called the 9 million?
	Ooh.
	I mean, they took nine million videos down?
	Yeah.
	That's a lot of videos.
	And that's just in three months.
	No, I thought you said in the last year.
	No, quarter.
	Quarter.
	You said quarter?
	Mm-hmm.
	Holy moly!
	Well, interestingly, in the Recode interview, it was $8 million, and I don't know if the Sundar was done before or after, but he said $9 million.
	But I think the CEO might be, I don't know, the CEO of the whole kit and caboodle, I don't know whoever's right.
	But yeah, it's a lot.
	And that's their purge, and that's their 10,000 reviewers and whatever AI thingies they have going.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Sure, the AI thing is useless.
	Yeah.
	Well, just one of the many reasons why we, 11 seasons ago, you can turn it into years if you want, chose a very different model so that we could never get kicked off, but we vowed to consistent poverty.
	And that is why I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C. DeBorek!
	Well, in the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	In the morning, all ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, and subs in the water.
	In the morning!
	In the morning to the Troll Room, noagendastream.com.
	Very troll-y today, for some reason.
	Troll-y.
	Yeah, this is very troll-y.
	All kinds of side topics.
	I don't know if they're paying attention at all in there.
	It doesn't seem like it.
	Also, in the morning to...
	No, is it that guy again?
	Who's this CSB guy?
	Is that not Comic Strip Blogger?
	If it was Comic Strip Blogger, that's what he'd put.
	We want to thank CSB for the artwork for episode 1145.
	The title of that was Dumb Meat.
	And it was the Report Hate Speech Tap Here button, which, interestingly, on many podcast players, actually does something when you hit that.
	It does something.
	It gives you, like, show notes or something.
	It doesn't report anything.
	That was a great piece of art.
	We thought it was very funny, and we appreciate the work that all of our artistic producers, and I said artistic producers do.
	Noagendaartgenerator.com, where you can always find some fun art for a project, maybe like noagendashop.com, and everyone seems to be able to make money on that, including the artists, but really it just brings our show, which everyone collectively produces toward the forefront, because rotating artwork is an eye-catcher, and it helps people listen to the show.
	And again, thank you, CSB. Noagendaartgenerator.com.
	Now, how do we do this with our donations, do we?
	Well, how do we do this with the meetup donations?
	There's no long notes, but there's just a couple.
	No, the way we do it, we do it the way I think we've been doing it, which is we'll do this segment, and then we'll do a meetup segment.
	Okay.
	In other words, we'll do three donation segments instead of two.
	Okay, good, good, good, good.
	All right.
	And it doesn't happen that often that people complain about it.
	It's not like we're doing a meetup a week.
	Starting with, we start with Sir Ho Ji Hung, Baronet of Mong Kok.
	$361.40.
	He's our top executive producer.
	Note, Father's Day is actually the 16th.
	The newsletter says the 15th.
	Oops.
	Smiley face.
	And oop.
	Yeah.
	Happy Father's Day, Pops.
	Happy birthday to fellow Flag Day babies.
	Can I get a Jobs Karma?
	Sir Ho Ji Hung Baronet of Hong Kong, it says.
	Yeah, of course you can.
	And we'd also love to get a little boots-on-the-ground reporting from the crazy protests that are going on in Hong Kong.
	Yes, we have some clips.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, let me give him his, was it Jobs Karma?
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yay!
	Thank you.
	Nick Foster comes in as executive producer at $350 and one penny.
	Hello, Adam and John.
	This donation should put me at the required threshold for knighthood.
	All right.
	Is he on the list?
	Don't know.
	Yes, he is.
	No wacky title needed.
	My birthday is Friday the 14th.
	I'll be 24.
	I've been unemployed since late last year, but at least I'm in talks with my ideal employer.
	Prior to this, I was operating a data center for Bitcoin miners, and the downturn in the market forced us to close.
	Oh, boy.
	I've been trying out Uber for the last eight weeks, and let me tell you, it's not much fun.
	You really need to put in 12 or 16 hours a day, seven days a week to make any money.
	Jobs karma and Sharpton respect, please.
	All right, Nick, and we'll see you at the roundtable later on.
	R-E-S-P-I-C-T. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	Michael Sabres, $200.42.
	Thanks to you and Adam for the consistently high-quality infotainment you provide.
	Please send some jobs karma to my daughters who are new to the grind and...
	And could use a bump to get themselves where they want to be.
	If you could, throw in a bingo boom boom from the Reverend Manning just for fun.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	All right!
	And Michael, associate executive producer with $200.42, followed by Patrick Knight of the Southern California Hills $200.
	Patrick Knight of the SoCal Hills.
	Here's to the number three best conservative podcast in the universe.
	I think his name is Patrick Knight of the SoCal Hills.
	Oh, well.
	I think it's Sir Patrick, actually.
	Knight of...
	I believe.
	Okay.
	I think so.
	Well, it's still Patrick Knight of the SoCal Hills.
	I got it.
	I got it.
	Jason Toliopolis.
	Toliopolis.
	Toliopolis.
	That's it.
	$200, Jason.
	In the morning, my smoking hot husband, it says Jason.
	Hmm.
	Jason and Emilio, that makes sense.
	Yeah, there you go.
	My smoking hot husband, I can't thank you enough for your twice weekly sanity check.
	We travel a lot for our respective jobs and you guys keep us company for the long flights around the world.
	Well, thank you.
	I wonder what they do.
	And in the rare weeks we're both off the road, we'll often fall asleep listening to your brilliant deconstruction.
	As Horowitz likes to say near the end of a DHM plug, which we know puts some people asleep, don't forget to donate.
	Donate!
	We've also punched our extended family in the mouth, so no agenda is truly a family affair for us.
	It's my mother-in-law Mary's birthday, so my husband and I would like to wish her a very happy birthday and hope she's not too embarrassed and smiles when she hears this.
	She is loved.
	I'm also about to embark on a potentially lengthy job hunt, so I'd appreciate some jobs, Carmen.
	Thanks again.
	Love and light, Jason and Emilio.
	Well, love and light to you.
	Thank you very much.
	And I'd love to know what jobs they have traveling all around the world.
	Spooks.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yay!
	You've got karma.
	Somebody has to infiltrate various communities.
	Yes.
	I think there were at least three spooks at the meetup yesterday.
	Oh yeah, I wanted to ask you about that because it's always funny because you can talk to people who are on the lookout.
	Not everybody is, that's the problem.
	And it doesn't matter because you're not going to do anything about it anyway.
	But it's kind of nice to know.
	I think anyone who has an American, a, what was it, American, Dutch...
	And it was more like Scandinavian, like three, no, British, American, and German or Dutch passport.
	I think the Dutch one.
	Dutch passport is great all around the world, so spooks love that.
	There was also one of our producers who just looked like men in black.
	He was just dressed, he was totally, he had the black tie, the black suit, and like, spook.
	Well, he could have been with MI6 or something along those lines, is that what we're assuming, or GCHQ. But the question is, did he, the spooky character, donate?
	You know, I have a deja vu, which makes sense.
	I have a total deja vu on this.
	I remember having this exact conversation about a meetup and about spooks and about donating, and I think they flashed me.
	They must have.
	Because when men in black flash you, it shows up as a deja vu.
	I have not ever asked that question.
	There you go.
	Yes, you have.
	I'm pretty sure you have.
	I've asked about spooks and how many you think are at the meetup.
	But I don't remember asking if they donated.
	Sorry, I'm freaking out.
	What?
	Jobs karma.
	Did you get the jobs karma out to Jason?
	Just in case.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yay!
	These are executive producers for show 1146.
	Yes.
	Now, do we want to do the meetups right now, or do we break in again?
	Just do the now?
	It's not that long.
	If it's going to be short, sure.
	You do them now.
	It'd be easier.
	Yeah, okay.
	Let me just bring it up here.
	Okay.
	Because last night we did everything.
	We didn't even...
	We wrote everything down.
	So what did you think of the pub?
	Oh, it's fantastic.
	It's a great pub.
	It's just a good pub.
	Yeah, it's very famous and old.
	All our London meetups should be at that pub.
	It's appropriate for us, for sure.
	And we were clogging the kitchen airs.
	It was nice.
	Not at any point did anyone get pissed off at the noise we were making, the fire hazard.
	Like they do in Oakland.
	The fire hazard we were creating.
	We didn't even clog the place and they were bitching and moaning at us.
	And then we noticed something in Seattle.
	Seattle, and we've discussed this on the show and people from the area have told us this, Seattleites don't like crowds.
	A bar doesn't want...
	No, no, no.
	Too many people in my bar.
	I'm going to make too much money.
	I don't know what to do to get out.
	I think we set the tone and I think they did good business on us and we probably shut the place down.
	I don't know.
	Tina and I left before that took place.
	Anyway, some thanks from producers who supported the show with on-the-spot donations.
	Very interesting to see.
	I don't know if you witnessed this when you did the meet-up, John.
	A lot of people went to the bank and got crisp dollars to hand in cash.
	Actual dollars?
	Actual dollars.
	Many of them.
	More than I expected.
	So Martin from the Welsh Valleys, love and light, he says, $100.
	And these were crisp.
	And it's nice.
	When you get a crisp dollar, You don't get those often.
	No, the printing press must be nearby.
	Or these crisp pound notes, the plastic, another thing that's new to me.
	That's weird.
	You get a kick out of that with the, you see through it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's like, wow, this feels, doesn't it?
	And then there's the Queen's ghost when you look through the hollow area.
	Let's see.
	Nuked said, in the evening, John and Adam, keep up the good work.
	Not donated since I saw John in 2017.
	You guys need to create a crypto address for us anti-PayPal folk.
	A lot of requests for that, as usual.
	Please shout out to my girls, Elise and Saskia.
	John, you pronounced Saskia as Saskia last time, which upset her.
	She was five back then, now seven.
	Get Adam to pronounce this Dutch name.
	Saskier.
	Saskia.
	Saskia!
	I hope we did it right.
	That's 50 pounds.
	Thank you very much.
	Sir Bashir came in with 50 pounds.
	Thank you very much.
	Carl Madden from Enfield in London, 60 pounds.
	Sir Burton Ah, yes.
	He gave us 200 pounds, and this was meant as sanity insurance, and he is on the list with an additional donation today, which I might as well do now, $168.80.
	I just wanted to say thank you so much for the show, which is significantly responsible for keeping a grip on my sanity and amygdala.
	I had the honor of attending the London Meetup tonight, which was amazing and such a buzz.
	Thanks, Adam and Tina, for taking the time out of your honeymoon to do so.
	It meant a lot.
	Great people.
	My first meetup, but definitely not my last.
	I made two donations today.
	$200 to Adam in person and $133 via PayPal.
	£333 total, which means I make executive producer...
	Yes, he should be up one level.
	Please do this so I can update my LinkedIn profile.
	Apologies, it was in two parts.
	The man wouldn't let me get any more cash out of bad planning on my part.
	Oh yes, he had to go to the ATM and he couldn't get enough money out or something like that.
	It also means I may knighthood level at long last.
	Yay, added to my monthly contributions over the last 10 years.
	Tried appallingly badly to explain to Adam at the meetup, but would like to request the title of Sir Guy, which is pronounced as in the Indian clarified butter French Guy.
	G-U-Y. Sir Guy, but it'll be G-E-E. Hopefully the committee will see it fit.
	Anyway, you are busy people.
	The above is FYI. If he's going to be Sir Guy like the butter, shouldn't it be G-H-E-E? That's Guy.
	Yeah, he just wants G-E-E. You sure he didn't say G-H-E-E? No, he wrote it down in several places.
	So, yes, and thank you very much for your courage, and we will knight the Sergei later on.
	Then we had Sir Luke Rayner.
	He's the Viscount of London and the Southeast.
	200 pounds.
	Great to meet Adam and the Keeper.
	And in the same place, John and Mimi graced us with their presence.
	I hope you enjoyed your brief stay.
	And London feels great to give you some cold, hard cash.
	Hopefully the commission at the Bureau de Change doesn't screw you too much.
	Thanks for visiting Gitmo Nation East.
	He also did professional photographs.
	Of the meetup, and they're all over Twitter and also in the show notes.
	Sir Matthew Wittering of Greenwich, $150 in U.S. currency.
	Please find the enclosed $150 Gitmo dollars for the Value for Value system.
	I appreciate some jobs, jobs, jobs karma.
	We'll do that in a moment.
	Please credit Sir Matthew Wittering of Greenwich.
	P.S. It was brilliant to meet you, Adam, Tina, John, and Mimi.
	People have not forgotten your meetup there.
	Scott...
	Uh, $75, again, printed out, requesting a de-douche.
	You've been de-douched.
	I was initially going for a 60-06 saggy boobs, but rounded it up to 75.
	All the best to you.
	And Tina, I don't recall if he had saggy boobs.
	Robin...
	It was hard to read this.
	I don't know if it was Dio Sleuth.
	Um...
	Couldn't really read his handwriting.
	It was just written on the envelope.
	100 pounds.
	Robin, thank you very much.
	Marcus, a.k.a.
	the Owe, O-W-B, and his smoking hot girlfriend, Jozo, $100.
	Thank you very much.
	Was there any note with that?
	Thanks for the ongoing support with mental health, well-being, a regular sanity check in the morning, gentlemen.
	Then we had Sir Black Knight, Sir Brian Barrow of Wooten Bassett, Barrow of Barbados, 200 pounds.
	And that was from, I believe, the whole family.
	Adam and Jonathan, this donation takes me a step closer to becoming a...
	He says count.
	Do we have count?
	Count?
	Viscount.
	I think it means Viscount.
	Small price to pay to keep you on the air.
	Even better, it should keep me just ahead of Sir Luke of London.
	And also a nice card for Tina and myself.
	That's for our marriage.
	It's very appreciated.
	Sir John of South London, $100.
	Please accept this donation in my latest installment toward becoming a Baron.
	If you're taking requests from knights, please, could I get some relationship karma for the summer doldrums?
	Thank you for the great work on No Agenda.
	Apart from keeping us sane, it is the number one tool to keep our minds sharp and be skeptical of all that we hear and read.
	ITM, T-Y-F-Y-C, John Kumar, Sir John of South London, again with a nice separate card for the keeper and myself.
	Sir Tim Cheng, 50 pounds from him.
	I spoke to all these people.
	They're fantastic.
	Rudolf Vesely, 300 pounds.
	So he also becomes an executive producer.
	He had the longest note, and we're almost done with them.
	And he also gave us some...
	Elephant bracelets, which was nice.
	I think that's for good luck for the newly married.
	Rudolf Velsi, senior director at Oracle Consulting at this moment trying to get a job in Dubai.
	Listening from episode 1021, but haven't donated yet, so he wants to be de-douched.
	You've been de-douched.
	He actually says, call me a douchebag, but no, we're de-douching you for that.
	Please tell Dvorak to learn something about the microservice architecture.
	Properly developed and managed microservice-based solutions is more resilient than any current legacy system.
	The 911 outage from episode 1101 definitely was not caused by a microservice architecture.
	I'm assuming the 911 system is running on a virtualized infrastructure that was 50 times migrated from one provider to another, and now it's managed by people that don't have documentation and don't understand it.
	We'll take that.
	Thank you very much.
	I will accept that explanation.
	Mm-hmm.
	But I'm not going to accept the notion that microservices architecture is the greatest thing since sliced bread, which he implies.
	Dude named Ben?
	I say that in a disdaining, nerdy voice.
	Final two here.
	Which he'll appreciate.
	Dude named Ben M5M. Hi, Adam, Tina, and John.
	Fine and close an anonymous donation to the best podcast in the universe of 100 pounds.
	I work for the BBC, so do not want to be mentioned by name.
	Yes, we understand that.
	He gave me a lot of interesting insight into what is going on over there at the BBC. And then finally...
	No, I'm sorry.
	We have Sir Kevin Strange, 100 pounds, and Vaudra London, who has a stationery, which is...
	I've never seen this before.
	It has a beautiful logo, and at the top, it's the Z-A-P-A. Have you ever heard of this outfit?
	It is the Zombie Apocalypse Prevention Agency.
	Vodra London.
	42 pounds from him.
	Thank you very much.
	And he wants some goat karma.
	So we have some relationship karma, jobs karma, and goat karma.
	And again, thank you everybody who came to the meetup.
	This was a great one for us personally, for Tina and myself.
	It was really nice.
	I just feel very welcome.
	And it was, as I said, the most diverse.
	And I'm just full of how wonderful it was.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got...
	And that's it for execs, our associate executive producers, and our meetup donations.
	Remember, we'll be doing another show on Sunday.
	I will be coming to you from Northern Ireland.
	You can support the show at dvorak.org.
	I'm pretty sure you know what's going on here in the UK. That's why you need to propagate.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	New.
	Water.
	Order.
	Shut up, slave.
	Shut up, slave.
	I think it's time to get to a little local or national politics.
	Yes, please.
	Let's start with Biden versus Trump in Iowa as an ABC report.
	President Trump heading to Iowa today, where Joe Biden was waiting for him.
	The former vice president making his most direct attacks yet.
	The president is literally an existential threat to America.
	Speaking to voters in Ottumwa, Iowa, Biden said the president undermines American values.
	But this is a guy who does everything to separate and frighten people.
	It's about fear and loathing.
	No president has done something like that, for God's sake.
	I mean, it's bizarre.
	What?
	History lesson or do you just want me to play the whole clip?
	That's funny.
	And it's damaging.
	Biden is eager to look past his Democratic rivals.
	In just one speech today, he references the president 76 times.
	Trump is paying close attention.
	He was someplace in Iowa today and he said my name so many times that people couldn't stand it anymore.
	No, don't keep saying it.
	Sleepy guy.
	The president taking a page out of his 2016 playbook, attacking the former vice president's stamina and mental fitness.
	He looks different than he used to.
	He acts different than he used to.
	He's even slower than he used to be.
	I'd rather run against, I think, Biden than anybody.
	I think he's the weakest mentally.
	And I like running against people that are weak mentally.
	Mr.
	Vice President, why do you think the president says he would rather run against you than anyone else?
	I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	But I'm looking forward to it.
	Biden is leading in the early polls, but with 23 Democratic candidates to choose from, some Democrats we spoke with today aren't sold yet.
	He's a person I really respect.
	I loved him as vice president, but I think he just has too much baggage.
	He's accumulated over the years.
	A lot of Democrats say it's time for some new blood in the party.
	What do you make of that?
	Um, we need stability.
	Stability.
	Stability.
	We need somebody that knows the ropes.
	Wow.
	Isn't that a great clip?
	I love the insults.
	Also, has no one jumped on him for talking about people who are mentally challenged?
	No, at this point, the media is doing Trump's bidding once again.
	Again, got it.
	Yeah.
	They're taking, because he's outrageous with his comments about Biden being sleepy, Joe, they got that in there, and mentally, something's mentally wrong with him, he's slow.
	They put that in because it's like it's colorful and it livens up the report.
	But if they're really out to get Trump, they're doing a poor job.
	They really think they're doing themselves a service.
	They think they're doing the Democrats a service by pointing out Trump's – that Trump says these things, not realizing – again, it's a stupidity thing.
	Not realizing that this is the kind of thing that sticks in people's minds.
	Sleepy Joe, he's mentally incompetent.
	He's dumber than he used to be.
	I'm surprised he hasn't brought up the – taking his head – the top of his head off twice.
	Peace.
	I don't think he knows.
	If he listens to the show, he'd know, but I don't think that many people know about that.
	Yeah.
	It would be a perfect follow-up.
	They took the top of his head off twice.
	How can he be president?
	Who knows what they put in there?
	I can write this stuff for him all day long.
	Maybe it's something he's saving.
	I'm not sure.
	The media is just...
	They put these packages together and they become hilarious if you listen to them.
	Yeah, I like it.
	Now, we had this woman, or CBS did a report on...
	Let's see, what is this CBS one?
	Because I have the...
	I can give you the...
	Ortiz?
	I should give you the ISOs I've already pulled.
	Ortiz?
	Is that who you're thinking of?
	No, no, no.
	Ortiz is the best baseball player I've ever shot.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm going to just...
	I'm going to do the ISOs.
	I'm going to play the three ISOs that I found.
	Okay.
	And then they'll show up in different clips.
	Okay.
	Oh, nice.
	Oh, this is like a treasure hunt.
	Yes.
	So this one here is this woman, Lisa Chang, or Lisa, she's a Chinese kind of Chinese.
	I don't know if she's Chinese-American or Chinese.
	I can't tell.
	But she's on CBS, and she can't pronounce Putin.
	Oh.
	She's worse than the other one.
	Putin?
	The wall girl who used to be on RT who couldn't say Putin.
	She said Putin.
	Putin.
	This girl can't even get that out.
	Listen to this.
	With Russian President Vladimir Putin later this...
	Putin?
	What does she say?
	She throws it together.
	Putin.
	This was not my clipping her that way.
	She can't say Putin.
	Let me hear it again.
	With Russian President Vladimir Putin.
	Putin.
	What was that?
	It's like the woman from YouTube who said, important.
	Yes.
	Couldn't say that.
	Okay, now we got a classic, the new whoa, whoa, whoa from Bernie.
	Okay.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Woo!
	Hold on a second.
	No, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Woo, woo, woo.
	Is it woo, woo, woo?
	Woo, woo, woo.
	How does that go again, the Bernie thing?
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Oh, it's whoa.
	Yeah, he does whoa.
	He does whoa.
	Hold on, I have it here.
	Let me see.
	Yes.
	So let me reverse this one.
	So this is...
	Oops, this one here.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	And this is...
	No, it's a different one.
	No.
	I'll have to find it.
	I like this, though.
	This is definitely...
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	This is perfect.
	I think that's a contender.
	That's a big contender.
	Contender, yeah.
	And then there's the perjury ISO. Sir, are you worried about perjury?
	Yeah.
	And that's just another reporter shouting.
	Yeah, I think Bernie takes it.
	Well, I would say so, too.
	Okay.
	All right, so let's go to the other...
	Let's go with...
	We have Trump in Poland, part one.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	What do you have?
	You had a flyover and everything was...
	Wait, Trump?
	You had a Polish guy there, and then he's doing sales.
	And it's so obvious, it's so funny.
	Today, Washington, D.C. saw and heard something that hasn't happened in more than a hundred years.
	It was a staged military flyover of the White House.
	We just shang on what it was all about.
	A single F-35 fighter jet flew over the White House celebrating two things President Trump is fond of, a good deal and a good show.
	He watched the display with Polish President Andrzej Duda and their wives just minutes before making this joint announcement.
	I was very pleased that Poland announced the intent to purchase 32 American-made F-35 fighter aircraft like you just saw.
	The F-35, the most expensive U.S. weapons program ever, is projected to top a trillion dollars over its lifespan.
	An hour of flight time is about $44,000.
	The defense deal with Warsaw also includes the deployment of 1,000 to 2,000 U.S. troops to Poland, which will cover the costs to support them.
	We'd be taking them out of Germany or we'd be moving them from another location.
	Duda had pushed for more U.S. service members and even suggested setting up a permanent base called Fort Trump.
	Fort Trump!
	He's going for legacy, man.
	Something that can be changed in 20 years because it's just like Confederacy.
	No good.
	They start off this report by saying they haven't had a flyover since for a hundred years, is what she says.
	So she's saying that in 1919...
	The Wright brothers flew over...
	Who the hell...
	What display was flying over the White House in 1919?
	I'd like to know.
	I'd like to know, too.
	Was it an F-35?
	I don't really think so.
	Now, did the F-35 hover?
	Did it do its trick?
	Did it...
	No, it just flew over.
	Because it can do stuff.
	It just flew over slowly, though.
	Yeah, it can do a very slow pass.
	That, I'm impressed by the aircraft.
	But otherwise, it's a...
	Most people think it's a piece of crap.
	Most people in the business think it's a piece of crap.
	Well, people who have to fly it think it's a piece of crap.
	My understanding.
	Yeah.
	Well, here's part two of that report.
	The Polish president talked about the need to beef up security in the region in response to heightened Russian aggression.
	Mr.
	Trump said this about Moscow.
	I hope that Poland is going to have a great relationship with Russia.
	I think it's possible.
	I really do.
	I think because of what you've done and the strength and maybe we help also.
	President Trump is expected to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin later this month on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Japan and with Chinese President Xi Jinping as those two leaders try to work out a trade deal.
	Margaret, Weezha Zhang at the White House.
	I got one clip from this because there was one topic I was particularly interested in in regards to Poland.
	As you recall, the president, when he was still running for office, went to the Polish community and said, I will have Poland in the visa waiver program, which is, seeing as they're a member of the European Union, it is unbelievable that they have been shunned from the visa waiver program.
	You can't just hop on a plane, do a little ESTA paperwork, which you can do online, and enter the United States.
	We have many thoughts on why that is.
	I think the main thought is it's blamed on Israel.
	Yes.
	Well, there's a huge movement in the United States even telling Congress, Senate, and House of Representatives equally do not do business with Poland because they killed the Jews with their concentration camps.
	I'm paraphrasing, but that's kind of what it comes down to.
	And here's what Trump said.
	I also want to congratulate Poland for its progress on meeting U.S. criteria for entry into the visa waiver program.
	Today, our country signed a Preventing and Combating Serious Crimes Agreement, a significant and necessary step for Poland's entry into the program.
	Though we still have some work to do, we hope to welcome Poland into the visa waiver program very soon, and that's a very big deal.
	Yeah, we'll see.
	There's a lot of anti-Polish hatred in our Congress.
	Yes, and they're the same guys who bitch and moan about Trump cozying up to Netanyahu.
	Yeah, of course.
	And Netanyahu, of course, is under attack.
	The bonus clip is kind of interesting, because I think this is kind of lame.
	When Israeli voters go to the polls in September, they will have one more factor to consider.
	This time, it's the Prime Minister's wife.
	Sarah Netanyahu has agreed to plead guilty in one of several corruption cases facing the Netanyahu family.
	Aaron Lieberman explains.
	The case against Sarah Netanyahu involves the illegal ordering of catered meals to the official prime minister's residence in Jerusalem.
	Sarah Netanyahu, along with the manager of the residence, ordered nearly $50,000 of meals, according to an updated indictment filed in court Wednesday.
	That's illegal under Israeli law when there's already an official chef at the residence, and prosecutors say there was one at the time.
	Sarah Netanyahu pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of unfairly taking advantage of a mistake.
	Hmm.
	What kind of a charge is unfairly taking advantage of a mistake?
	How laws do they have over there?
	It's something losers do.
	Unfairly taking advantage of a mistake is what she's charged and what she ends up being guilty to.
	Wait a minute.
	That's an actual charge?
	Did you hear the end?
	I know, but is it really true?
	What...
	I don't know.
	It just seems that that's the way it's recorded.
	Let me hear the end again.
	That was pretty sick.
	When Israeli voters go to the polls...
	That's illegal under Israeli law when there's...
	Saranet and Yahoo, along with the manager of the residence, order nearly $50,000 of meals, according to an updated indictment filed in court Wednesday.
	That's illegal under Israeli law when there's already an official chef at the residence, and prosecutors say there was one at the time.
	Saranet and Yahoo pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of unfairly taking advantage of a mistake.
	This must be some biblical shit.
	This kind of law.
	What else could make sense?
	It's referred to the Old Testament.
	What else could make sense like that?
	Oh, man.
	Completely befuddling.
	Hey, Hillary showed up on a podcast.
	Ah.
	Yes, yes.
	Is she still running in your mind?
	She's still getting ready?
	She's ready to swoop?
	Well, if you go to the Cosmic Weenie site of Contenders 2020, Which is linked, we link to it all the time.
	In fact, on the last newsletter, I believe it was linked to on one of the photos.
	And I still have it because I'm just going by what I've witnessed.
	Right now, Biden is the, I'm sorry, Bernie is still number one in my book.
	Followed by Hillary, if she chooses to run, she will immediately go to that spot.
	And it's almost like a French three-star chef.
	Before he opens the restaurant, they grant him two stars without even sight unseen.
	Right.
	So that's why Hillary...
	That's true.
	Well, these are producer-produced clips from the Unredacted podcast.
	Two short ones.
	This I found to be the most interesting.
	Do you tell them if they say, hey, I'm going to get to cybersecurity, do you tell them you might want to do it yesterday?
	I do.
	I do, Emily, because...
	But I worry that it's probably too late by the time they come to see me.
	I would bet that the leading candidates have already been hacked.
	This is the biggest crisis.
	Both their campaign accounts and if they're in public office and they're enough of a high-profile candidate, their Senate office or their congressional office or their governor's office.
	That's a big statement.
	Well, that's what I believe.
	And she would be the one to know, considering the political spying that she allegedly did between 2012 and 2016.
	I have to say, allegedly.
	A second clip is about Clooney.
	Do you want to hear my crazy idea?
	Yes.
	I love crazy ideas.
	This is a crazy idea, but I think it's brilliant because I came up with it.
	George Clooney should run for Mitch McConnell's Senate seat.
	That's a wonderful idea.
	There's not a chance in whatever that he would do that.
	And besides, I think Amal would probably kill him with the twins and everything going on in their lives, but he'd be great.
	Kill him?
	We always knew she was the handler, but you don't have to be that explicit about it, Hill.
	Oh, crazy.
	Yeah, I missed it.
	Yeah, now, just on the State Department and the spying stuff, and this is our local U.S. politics, So there's an important piece of information that came out about the Steele dossier as it relates to the State Department.
	And this is when I believe John Kerry was running the State Department.
	And the first one is about this...
	The Ukrainian guy, Kalimnik, I think his name is, who was...
	One of the main reasons, I think, Manafort went to jail is because he was talking to Kalimnik and was giving Kalimnik the polling results, the secret polling results and passing on information.
	Even though Manafort wasn't convicted of any of that stuff, as far as I know, that was really the insinuation.
	Like, oh, you know, he was with Klimnik, with Klimnik, with Russia, ties to Russia, oligarchs, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia.
	In a key finding of the Mueller report, Ukrainian businessman Konstantin Klimnik, who worked for Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, is tied to Russian intelligence.
	But hundreds of pages of government documents, which special counsel Robert Mueller possessed since 2018, describe Klimnik as a, quote, sensitive intelligence source for the U.S. State Department who informed on Ukrainian and Russian matters.
	Why Mueller's team omitted that part of the Klimnik narrative from its report and related court filings is not known.
	But the revelation of it comes as the accuracy of Mueller's Russia conclusions face increased scrutiny.
	Solomon continues, quote, the incomplete portrayal of Klimnik is so important to Mueller's overall narrative that it is raised in the opening of his report.
	The FBI assesses Klimnik to have ties to Russian intelligence.
	Mueller's team wrote on page 6, putting a sinister light on every contact Klimnik had with Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman.
	We've got to get these millennials out of the news business.
	Is this girl on ecstasy or something?
	She sounds stoned.
	As I said, we've got to get these kids out of the news business.
	So along with that goes the next clip, which is Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch, who is apparently living with Sean Hannity now to make sure he's on the air every night.
	There was more than one dossier.
	You had the Steele dossier, and it looks like you had a dossier created by Jonathan Weiner at the State Department using as a source not only Steele, but folks like Sidney Blumenthal, Clinton, or Powell.
	And Cody Scheer, who goes back for a long time with the Clinton group.
	This is just incredible in the sense that everyone's been thinking that as the Justice Department and the FBI, that's where all the bad activity was taking place.
	Secretary Pompeo needs to be working with A.G. Barr as closely as any other agency head in terms of decoding the deep state conspiracy against then-candidate Trump and then President Trump.
	And they were desperate to get this information out.
	To their friendly Democrats on the Hill just before Trump was inaugurated.
	And it wasn't to help President Trump.
	It was to try to destroy him and undermine him.
	Everyone who was paying close attention to this all jacked up.
	Oh yeah, they're going down.
	People are going to jail.
	And I don't think so.
	I don't think so either.
	I don't think so for a second.
	This is all great, but no.
	I really don't think so.
	But we'll see.
	There are people much smarter than you and I on the case.
	Yeah, that's probably true, but it doesn't mean anyone's going to jail.
	Final political...
	So one of the big...
	Well, the big story today...
	The story that I like is the one I'm going to talk about a little bit, which is the census report and the question and the scandal...
	Because they have, you know, Trump saying something, you know, on the air and it's scandalous.
	The census report or just the census?
	What exactly?
	No, the census, the question that's on the census that asks for whether or not...
	Oh, if you're a citizen or not.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So we have two clips on this.
	Okay.
	First, let's play this one.
	This is the contempt over the census question.
	If it's the clip I'm thinking of, it's a gem.
	Across the Capitol, another vote to hold the Attorney General in contempt of Congress.
	And the Commerce Secretary, too.
	The Democrats, who lead the House Oversight Committee, said the men had stonewalled efforts to investigate how a controversial new citizenship question ended up in the U.S. Census.
	It's designed...
	To intimidate and instill fear.
	The administration retaliated by exerting executive privilege over the census documents Congress wants, as the president defended the new question.
	I think when you have a census and you're not allowed to talk about whether or not somebody's a citizen or not, that doesn't sound so good to me.
	The Supreme Court is expected to rule this month on whether the citizenship question can be included in the 2020 census.
	Experts have warned that the question will discourage some immigrant families from filling out the forms, thereby, Margaret, skewing population data.
	Okay.
	All right, that wasn't the clip I wanted, but that's fine.
	It was okay.
	It sets the background, yeah.
	Play the clip, Contempt.
	Well, that's the one I just played.
	You played contempt?
	Yeah, contempt over census question.
	Oh, okay.
	That's weird.
	Okay, play the bonus clip then.
	It says bonus Trump on census.
	I don't have...
	Oh, yes, I do.
	No.
	Oh, exec privilege.
	Yes.
	President Trump spoke about invoking executive privilege.
	Let's listen.
	Well, I think that, and I'm not overly involved in that, that's really a legal matter, but I think when you have a census and you're not allowed to talk about whether or not somebody's a citizen or not, that doesn't sound so good to me.
	Can you imagine you send out a census and you're not allowed to say whether or not a person's an American citizen?
	In Poland, they'd say they're either Polish or they're not, right?
	So I don't want to get you into this battle, but it's ridiculous.
	I think it's...
	I think it's totally ridiculous that we would have a census without asking, but the Supreme Court is going to be ruling on it soon.
	I think when a census goes out, you should find out whether or not, and you have the right to ask whether or not somebody is a citizen of the United States.
	A controversial decision there, because it is not a citizenship poll, it is a population poll, and some critics say that this would dissuade some people from being counted.
	The issue to him, he actually seems to be condoning the idea of knowing who's a citizen and who is not, even though this information is not supposed to be shared.
	That's not what someone taking the census would believe if they were filling out that question.
	Absolutely.
	It is something that we have not seen before, and that is why the Supreme Court is going to have to decide it.
	You know, involved or not, he has made his views extremely clear.
	I thought we had seen this before.
	I thought it was on the census at one point in history, wasn't it?
	It may or may not have been, but I'm more interested in this skewed presentation by CNN. I don't know who this woman is.
	It was Dana Bash.
	It was the one that she was interviewing.
	She's someone to be interviewed.
	She's a reporter.
	It's reporters interviewing reporters.
	Well, she's deep state.
	She used to be married to some agency guy.
	Dana Bash?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Could be.
	But she goes on, she makes this comment which sticks in some people's minds.
	First of all, let's talk about this census thing.
	After I bring up at least this one point.
	Let me read from the United States Constitution, Article 1, Section 2.
	It states,"...representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the states according to their respective numbers.
	The actual enumeration shall be made within three years after the first meeting of the Congress of the United States and within every subsequent term of ten years." Section 2 of the 14th Amendment states, representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed.
	That's it.
	And so she says, she says it's not a citizen poll, it's not a poll.
	No, it's not a poll at all.
	She says it's not a citizen poll.
	It's a population poll.
	It's not a poll.
	It's a count.
	But when she says that, I want to read from the first page of the Census Bureau's website.
	The first census counted the population to provide information on population by country, by county.
	In 1790, the census also categorized white males by age.
	Those under 16 and those age 16 and older.
	That's by race.
	That's race.
	Hello?
	Race.
	That's not a part of the Constitution.
	Well, as a white male, yes.
	And it's not a white male poll.
	It's a population poll.
	Nobody said that.
	Over the years, Congress has authorized additional questions enabling us to better understand the nation's inhabitants and their activities and needs.
	In fact, one of the nation's founders, James Madison, suggested that the census takers ask additional questions Wait a minute.
	It's just a population poll.
	And it goes on with all the examples that they started asking about how many children were born to a specific woman, how many Hispanics there are, the growth of the Spanish population.
	Computer usage apparently has gotten into the poll, the poll, the census itself.
	So this is disingenuous to say it's not a citizen poll.
	It's a population poll.
	It's not a poll.
	All of this is bullshit.
	The only thing that needs to be done is enumeration, counting.
	Everything else that has been put in and has been used after this was in the Constitution is outside of the scope.
	It should be...
	You shouldn't even have to say how many people live in my house.
	Go out, we count everybody, and go home.
	That's it.
	Yeah, that ended about 1810.
	Well, of course it did.
	I'm just saying.
	But if you're going to ask a bunch of questions, I don't think that the citizenship question is out of the ordinary.
	No.
	So I'll take that, but I'm going to take the other side and try to understand what they're thinking.
	I know what they're thinking.
	They're worried sick, and they talk about it.
	The Democrats I'm talking about here are worried sick that because the question just appears that all the illegals, the 30 million or 10 million or how many million you want to count...
	They won't answer the question, and they won't take – they'll eliminate themselves from the polls just by their nature of being suspicious, with good reason, I'd say.
	But they're suspicious, so they won't take – and it'll lower the numbers in states like California and Texas, in areas where there's a large immigrant community of illegals, illegal aliens, I'll use the term,
	and the numbers will be skewed, which will give the whites – More power over the illegals in Congress and over the Democrats in particular because these people – the Democrats in a funny way are admitting that the illegals vote for them almost exclusively and they need to be counted so we can get more – we can apportion more representatives to areas that are largely illegal aliens
	that will represent the Democrat Party in Congress.
	So it's both sides are kind of playing a game here.
	They're not quite bringing it out the way, you know, the Republicans are playing the denial.
	I don't know.
	I don't think so.
	No, we're not trying to pull a stunt.
	And the Democrats aren't quite saying what I just said, which is, yeah, they're pulling a stunt to screw us because all these illegal aliens are voting for us illegally.
	And so we have to put up with these news stories that are half-assed and women like this anchor saying, well, it's not a citizenship poll.
	It's a population poll.
	I like your Dana Bash voice.
	Well, it wasn't Dana Bash that was doing it.
	It was just the anchor talking to Dana Bash.
	I'm sorry, the anchor.
	Well, strictly taken from the Constitution, it was just a head count.
	And it didn't matter at the time if you were a citizen or not.
	I don't think they had passports then when they did this.
	Maybe they did.
	Did they have passports?
	I don't know.
	Passports have disappeared throughout history on and off again.
	Apparently, the last global effort to globalize all the countries was just before...
	This is a bad story.
	I mean, I've researched it somewhat.
	But just before World War I... But the passport situation, Schengen was like really the thing because we were globalizing.
	We're going to be going great.
	And global trade was way up and the numbers looked good.
	But because there was no passports and no citizenships, the people were just roaming around.
	That's how that guy just roamed over to Austria, wherever he went to shoot that guy that started World War I. Yes, France, fair to not.
	Like it kind of is now in Europe.
	We're just floating around and there was no – the passports were just – they came back into vogue after World War I. And this is leading – now we've got the same repeating of history and we're going to – this is leading to another war of some sort.
	Yeah.
	You know, there was a brief period in the history of the show where we were talking about, I think it was in Texas, said, you know, I should probably run for Congress.
	And we discussed this a little bit, and at a certain point, if I recall, IIRC, that you said, it would be great because we would love to see the slow corruption of Adam Curry.
	I don't remember saying that, but it's something I'd say.
	Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is actually going through that process right now.
	And this clip is her on the street, being interviewed on the street of D.C. after she had just voted for a pay increase for all of Congress.
	And these things are always very interesting, these pay increases.
	The population in general hates it.
	And why?
	Because, well, a Congress critter makes, I think, $170,000 a year.
	And this was a $4,500 annual pay increase to make up for what we call the cost of living.
	Now, it's always a tough one for politicians because, of course, they want more money, but it's a lot of money they're already getting.
	You probably need a lot of money to be a politician and function in D.C. So she voted for the pay increase.
	Her defense is mind-boggling.
	Especially with the modern monetary theory that she and her like-minded colleagues espouse, which is Print as much money as we need.
	Green New Deal, $10 trillion.
	For that is exactly what creates the disparity in wages and cost of living.
	When you inflate the money supply, the money becomes less valuable and you need more of it to buy goods and services and pay rent or mortgages, etc.
	It is a hidden tax.
	It diminishes the value of your money.
	So for anyone to, on one hand, say, oh, we really need to, you know, we need this pay increase, but on the other hand, wants to inflate the money supply by a factor of 100, it's kind of insane.
	But listen to how she defends voting for this pay increase.
	This is why there's so much pressure to turn to lobbying firms and to cash in on member service after people leave because precisely of this issue.
	So it may be politically convenient.
	And it may make you look good in the short term for saying, oh, we're not voting for pay increases.
	But we should be fighting for pay increases for every American worker.
	We should be fighting for a $15 minimum wage pegged to inflation so that everybody in the United States with a salary, with a wage, gets a cost of living increase.
	Members of Congress, Retail workers, everybody should get cost of living increases to accommodate for the changes in our economy.
	And then when we don't do that, it only increases the pressure on members to exploit loopholes, like insider trading loopholes, to make it on the back end.
	She's going to say this again, but I just want you to understand what she said.
	By not having enough money as a politician, members is what she means, by not having enough money for the cost of living at your $170,000 base salary now, It's bad because this makes members want to take high-paying lobby jobs after they leave and to use insider trading loopholes,
	which we've talked about extensively on this podcast, as you are immune to From insider trading, if you make laws and you have a law on the books or you know about someone in Congress and it's going to affect the sector and you buy or sell stock based upon that, it is completely legal for them to do as long as they report it, which is recorded somewhere in the basement of the Library of Congress.
	They refuse to put these transactions online.
	That's the scandal.
	But she's saying...
	She!
	She's only been there a couple months.
	She already knows about the loopholes and the scams, and she'll double down on it.
	It's our economy, and then when we don't do that, it only increases the pressure on members to exploit loopholes, like insider trading loopholes, to make it on the back end.
	You think there's a tendency of members to obviously take it out on this institution, but it's an optics issue.
	They don't want to seem like this.
	And that's my issue, is that it's superficial.
	You know, you can vote against pay increases all you want.
	It's, in my opinion, voting against a pay...
	Voting against a...
	It's not even like a raise.
	It's a cost of living adjustment.
	It's not even like a raise.
	It's cost of living adjustment.
	You can vote against the cost of living adjustment all you want, and it'll look good on its surface, but every cost of living adjustment that gets bypassed is voting to increase the pressure to exploit loopholes and legal loopholes to kind of lean on other ways to enrich oneself through service.
	And so my whole side of it is like, it may not be optics, it may not be great optics, it may not You might as well be transparent about a cost of living increase,
	fight for a cost of living increase for all American workers, peg the minimum wage to a cost of living increase, and then on top of it, close all of the loopholes that a lot of people use when it comes to, you know, sitting on a committee and knowing what legislation may be coming down the loophole and changing your stock holdings or letting,
	you know, these are If I were a member and I looked at these optics, I would immediately FOIA her stock holdings.
	She mentioned it too many times.
	She's on committee.
	She chairs a committee.
	I'd like to know.
	Well, I think she chairs the subcommittee.
	She still is in committee.
	She knows what's going on.
	She knows all about this rule.
	And she's run by this Justice Democrat, the team, the number one team, the go-to guys.
	Right, who once again were not there when she made the statement.
	She's loose.
	She's loose on the streets.
	But they probably lectured her about it, so she knows about it.
	And they know about it.
	In fact, they may be...
	How do they deal with their portfolio?
	Yeah.
	Well, it's not insider.
	It depends on how you're going to define insider.
	If you just follow legislation and then you invest or not invest, it's not the same as being an insider.
	It is, even though it is for the legislated people, but if you're being tipped off by them and it's not illegal for them to do it, I think it's legal for you to do the trading too.
	So they're probably...
	I'm not saying it's illegal.
	I'd just like to know.
	I'd just like to know.
	It should be public.
	She mentioned it.
	That's the problem.
	She mentioned it.
	Let's find out about it.
	Well, you can go into the archives and you can get it, but someone has to go and do the work.
	You have to go into Washington, D.C. and then go down and do that.
	Might not be a bad trip to make.
	I might do it myself.
	Yeah, we do have a few people to thank.
	Before I go to Washington, D.C. to spend my time in the mall.
	I'm already purchasing a ticket online for you.
	I'd love to see you go do that.
	Are you kidding?
	That's great.
	I could do it.
	I mean, I've got things I could do in Washington, D.C. Oh, there he is again.
	Guy Burton.
	Gee as in gee is a 168.
	This is 168.80 donation and a different note.
	Oh, by the way, so one of the things about today's show, we mentioned Father's Day in the newsletter.
	So Adam is going to read alongside as I go through these.
	And we have a Father's Day call out and we have a few of them.
	I want to mention the dad.
	I said I would.
	It was an open-ended donation that you could donate any amount and then say hello to dad.
	You do not have to do gee because I did him in the meetup notes.
	We read that one.
	So you can go straight to Sir Herb.
	Yeah, I read the same note.
	That's the one I read.
	Okay.
	Sir Herb Lamb follows him up with $160.16.
	And he is going to...
	Oh, he's going to be Earl.
	We should put him on the upgrade list.
	Oh, let me see.
	Is he on the list?
	I don't know if I saw him there.
	Let me check.
	I'd like to change my title from Viscount of Georgia to Earl of Georgia and such.
	Yes, this was not on the list, so I will add this.
	Title change.
	And he has a Father's Day double boob donation, I think is what this is.
	808 plus 808 for Father's Day.
	Yeah.
	And it is Sir Herb Lamb becomes Earl.
	Okay.
	No call-out, but maybe it's for himself.
	Double set of boobs.
	Yes.
	Sir Sean in Moyoc, North Carolina.
	$100.
	$100.
	Kevin McLean, $100.
	We do have a report.
	That's for reports.
	Kevin McLean.
	Kevin McClain is going to report in from the Al Dafa region of Abu Dhabi.
	Okay, hold on a second.
	Do we have new report sound effect or something?
	Let me see.
	Use the thunder.
	Here we go.
	We have an update.
	Okay, here it is.
	Report from Al Dafa region of Abu Dhabi.
	It's hot and there's a lot of sand.
	What?
	Thank you for that report.
	It's a report.
	Kevin McLean, $100.
	Rob Van Dyke, $100.
	Alexander Sulzberger, 8008.
	Boop.
	Which I would think would be a bunch of Father's Day donations.
	I'm going to encourage people.
	Sunday show is Father's Day.
	Donate a008 on Father's Day.
	It's a great idea.
	Paul Webb, if I do say so myself, $75.
	Happy Father's Day to my dad, Chris Webb, who overcame a heart transplant last year.
	Happy Father's Day to John and Adam.
	Gutted!
	I missed the London meet-up.
	Sir Paul from Twickenham.
	We're gutted as well, Paul, but thank you very much.
	Anonymous, $75.
	That was in honor of D-Day, I guess.
	Thank you.
	He wants people to read IBM and the Holocaust by Edwin Black.
	That's your buddy, isn't it?
	Holy cow.
	Isn't that your friend?
	Yeah, he's an old friend of mine.
	Yeah, it's a good read.
	He's a great investigative writer.
	He's done stuff that is jaw-dropping.
	I don't see him anymore.
	I don't know, you know, I should track him down.
	Well, he'd be a good interview.
	There you go.
	Daniel Walraven, 75.
	I think it's...
	It's Walraven.
	Waldrofen.
	Yeah, he's Dutch.
	Waldrofen, yes.
	Waldrofen.
	Scott McCleary, 69, 69.
	Long-time boner, first-time donor.
	Could I get a de-douching and a surgery karma for my father?
	De-douching now, karma later.
	You've been de-douched.
	Not a problem.
	Matthew Mungin, 69.
	Sir Phenom in Appleton, Wisconsin, 6204.
	I need some condo.
	Christopher Dechter, 5678.
	Gavin Haberfeld Field, 5151.
	Benjamin Doolin, 51.
	Robert Deck.
	And now the following people were $50 donors.
	We didn't get a lot of donations.
	Except luckily we had the meetup.
	Robert Dackany in Fairfax, Virginia.
	John Ferris in Liberal, Kansas.
	Thomas Burke.
	R.A. Eichelboom in London.
	Kimberly Redman in Toronto, Ontario.
	Robert Bruckner.
	Kevin Silverman in Severn, Maryland.
	Robert Kerback in Essexville, Michigan.
	Heather Rodriguez in Stockton, California.
	You can do it.
	Very good.
	Cassidy Eastwood in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
	Jason Clegg in San Diego, California.
	Mark Johnson in Aurora, Colorado.
	Brandon Savoy in Port Orchard, Washington.
	And last, Robert Weber of Lake Forest, California.
	And Dame Patricia Worthington in Miami, Florida.
	Let me go down the list and just see if there's any call-outs for anyone.
	Do-do-do-do-do.
	I do have a follow-on note from Dame Lisa.
	You remember her from the last show?
	It was an Insta-dame.
	She works for LibertyNation.com.
	And she did have a follow-up, which I thought was good to share, unless you have anything else.
	Any call-outs there?
	That's it.
	What you got?
	I've not seen anything.
	She says, LibertyNation.com poll, fittingly, while flying across the country.
	Not sure everyone was happy when I... I first heard your response to the LibertyNation.com poll fittingly while flying across the country.
	I'm not sure everyone was happy when I burst into loud, spontaneous laughter while listening to the show.
	You two are a riot!
	A few itsy-beatsy items to clean up.
	I am not number two at Liberty Nation.
	I am editor-in-chief.
	I am number one!
	Who said she was number two?
	I did.
	I said she's number one and number two because I think she didn't found the company.
	Adam would be the type that would always consider a founder.
	Number one, yes.
	I don't know what I'm talking about.
	So she is the big kahuna editor-in-chief.
	I will tell you for certain we did not step on the poll.
	I double-checked this with Mark Angelides, I think it is, managing editor at Liberty Nation.
	He did say his feelings are a bit hurt, though, because he actually does listen to No Agenda in the UK. And when one of you, that would be me, said the author of the article, who was Mark, only listened to five minutes, he got a bit miffed.
	Did he go to the meetup?
	My point exactly.
	Let me see.
	Personally, I hope you guys kiss and make up.
	Perhaps play him a karma jingle.
	That might do the trick.
	I tried to get him to go to the meetup, but he was just in London covering the anti-Trump chlorinated chicken protests.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Well, okay.
	Well, anyway.
	Oh, he's not in London.
	That's interesting.
	He's in the UK. He's not in London.
	Yeah, they're bitching, not just in London, but around the world, they're bitching about us shipping our chickens.
	Yes, chlorinated chickens.
	We drop them in a, it's not chlorinated, it's a chlorine bath.
	That the chickens go through to kill salmonella and make the chickens, you know, and stuff burn.
	Well, it's a slogan here.
	No, it's a Brexit slogan.
	That's why it's being used here.
	They just say, oh yeah, you want chlorinated chicken!
	You hear it every ten minutes in the media, in the UK. And the reason why is the EU, the European Union, doesn't allow chlorinated chicken.
	They just give it to you with the salmonella.
	So people are very worried that when they Brexit, Then they'll only be eating chlorinated chicken.
	It's one of those talking points.
	Well, I'm guessing, although I don't know if this is a fact, but it seems likely because this equipment is being manufactured and sold by the boatload, that the chicken coming out of those robot factories in Holland, largely, have gamma radiation exposure at the end of the line, and you blast the chicken with some gamma radiation, and that which we should be doing here...
	And that would do the job of the chlorine.
	And it would internalize it, too.
	I think we concluded on the last show.
	It's a dumb meat.
	And I think everyone agrees.
	It's a dumb meat.
	It's very dumb meat.
	By the way, guys, Liberty Nation is a conservative website!
	While we do have two staunch libertarians on our writing staff of 12 authors, we are primarily a run-of-the-mill group of deplorables.
	Because we are Liberty Nation, I kind of feel live and let live is the best policy.
	I am curious as to why you thought we were primarily a libertarian site.
	Well, because on your site it says you got libertarians and gays and blacks and Jews and whatever, so I figured you couldn't be conservative.
	That doesn't sound right.
	We were just questioning.
	As usually...
	What?
	Well, I mean, I don't know one way or the other.
	I'll I'm paying more attention to that site.
	It's a nice, it's a good site.
	It handles things properly.
	Well, I think you said they seem more libertarian.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's just a label who gives a shit.
	It's probably me.
	I probably said that because I think that a lot of...
	I don't care.
	Yeah, okay.
	Go on.
	No one cares.
	You got good information.
	She's correcting us.
	This is fine.
	Yeah, well, she's editor-in-chief.
	She's the number one.
	She has every right to.
	She's dead.
	Editor-in-chief.
	As usual, you guys, we're right on.
	I queried the staff as to whether this poll focuses on only conservative podcasts or podcasts conservatives love to download and listen to.
	It is indeed what they prefer to listen to, so we added an asterisk or aztick as...
	As, uh, what's-his-face would say?
	Al Sharpton.
	Astic.
	We added an astic in the story for clarification with a hat tip to no agenda.
	Oh, they edited, went back and edited.
	Very good.
	Uh, so, yes.
	Now, she has one question.
	She has a couple of other beautiful things to say.
	But, she says, yes, Dame is nice, but if we're dishing out titles, she'd like to be known as a lady...
	And I think if you're Dame, then you, by definition, aren't Lady so-and-so.
	Because a Knight is Sir, so a Dame is a Lady.
	And I think Lady Lisa sounds good.
	Okay, that's what you'll be referred to.
	Yeah.
	That's fine.
	Okay.
	We can put that in the notes.
	Yeah, we'll do that.
	If a dame wants to be referred to as lady, that's fine.
	Yeah, we got it.
	It's approved, immediately approved by the peerage committee.
	You heard it.
	Ad hoc.
	Well, thank you to everyone who supported the program for this show.
	Obviously, we always want to thank people who come in under the $50 mark, which is a secure level we put in for people who'd like to support the program but be anonymous.
	Also, it's where a lot of our subscriptions come from, and I do have one important message.
	The 3333 boarding pass, we have the podcast license.
	At podcastlicense.com, which I was adding subdomains for, for everyone who had a podcast license, and we got another request for one.
	So it would be like, yournamehere.podcastlicense.com.
	And I went to do a new one, and lo and behold, whoever registered podcastlicense.com has not renewed it.
	But I can't hijack it yet.
	So if you registered podcastlicense.com, could you please either give me a transfer code or could you re-register it so we can continue with this fine promotion?
	Interesting.
	This is another example of a fail of guess what?
	Microservices architecture.
	That's what it is.
	It's a big fail of microservices architecture.
	And we did it.
	You're right.
	Oh, well.
	So, yeah.
	So, everything's effectively broken right now.
	So, it'd be great if whoever registered that could fix it.
	But thank you to our executive producers, our associate executive producers, all of the...
	We still had some stragglers on the 75 D-Day.
	We've got the Swazilnovs.
	We've got the Dad Father's Day, which I guess you maybe it'll be a newsletter on Saturday, but you can obviously say hi to dad and donate for the next program.
	But in general, this is the only way we can discuss what we discuss in the manner that we do it, because we do not have corporate interests that we have to be worried about.
	No advertising.
	Luckily, no meetings.
	There's fluctuation in our income, but we are very proud to be part of the Value for Value Network, as you all are, as producers of the No Agenda Show.
	And remember, for our Sunday Dad's Day, dvorak.org slash n-a-n-a.
	Karma's as requested!
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	It's your birthday, birthday.
	Oh, so much, yeah.
	Oh, this is going to be pretty short and sweet and easy to do.
	Today is June 13, 2019.
	Here's our birthday list only to Nick Foster turns 24 tomorrow.
	And Jason and Emilio say happy birthday to Mom Mary.
	Happy birthday to everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.
	It's your birthday, yeah.
	Title changes.
	Turn and face the slate.
	Title changes.
	Don't want to be a douchebag.
	And also one today on the title change list, but it's an important one.
	Sir Herb Lamb has upped his status.
	He now becomes Earl of Gitmo Nation.
	Thank you, and Earl of the No Agenda Podcast.
	We appreciate everything you do for us as well, Sir Herb Lamb.
	And we've got two for the knighting table.
	Oh, wait, where's my sword?
	You brought the short version, right?
	Somewhere it is.
	Ah, yeah.
	I got it.
	There we go.
	You got yours?
	Here's mine.
	Okay.
	Perfect.
	All right.
	Up here on the podium to the round table, Nick Foster and Guy Burton.
	Both of you, gentlemen, are...
	Welcome here at the roundtable of our No Agenda Knights and Dames.
	Thanks to your support of the program, the amount of $1,000 or more, and I am proud to pronounce to KD as Sir Nick Foster and Sir Guy.
	We'll be right back.
	Head on over to noagendanation.com slash rings and give Eric the Shill your information.
	He'll get the ring out to you as soon as possible with your sealing wax, your official certificate.
	And for those knights who I met at the meetup yesterday who never really put in for it, I think you should.
	There's a couple who said, I never asked for it.
	I think you should do it.
	Especially, you see how many people did have their rings.
	At the meetup.
	So, please do that.
	I love showing them off.
	Yeah, you deserve it.
	Please do that.
	Quick list of the meetups that we have coming up.
	Copenhagen, June 15th.
	The 4th of July in Seattle.
	July 9th, Knoxville, Tennessee.
	What are you going to bet Sir Patrick will be there?
	Atlanta, Georgia on July 13th.
	Another Southwest London meetup on July 20th.
	And on the 20th, a brand new one entered.
	Buffalo, New York.
	You might still be penetration testing in Berlin.
	I got an urgent report from Sweden, just came in, from Eric.
	Wow.
	Let me read this to you.
	He said, on Monday, June 10th, the following happened in Sweden that was probably not or underreported.
	You ready for this?
	Sure.
	This is one day in Sweden.
	Bomb-threatening, English-speaking, EU citizen-carrying three passports shot by police at Malmo Central Station.
	Man shot at Fegersjo outside of Stockholm.
	Female train conductor assaulted by two men in Orebro.
	Pedestrian run over during police pursuit in Stockholm.
	Man shot and killed in Malmo.
	Shooting in another part of Malmo.
	Attempted murder shooting in Tensta, Stockholm.
	Shooting in Gotsunda, Uppsala.
	Another shooting in Uppsala later in the day in connection with the fight involving 10 to 15 people.
	Man found stabbed in Salem outside Stockholm.
	Another man taken to hospital after knife fight between neighbors outside Helsingborg.
	Two critically injured after knife fight in connection to a softball game in Lungby.
	Two more bombings in Malmoha at late night.
	This leaves out the large bombing of an apartment building in Likoping the previous Friday, which injured 25 and damaged 250 apartments.
	Did you hear any of this?
	Of course not.
	Especially the apartment being blown up?
	No.
	This is what you get when your news is focused on Bojo with the Mojo and Orange Man bad.
	It's pathetic.
	No wonder you're losing your ass, because you're not reporting news!
	Orange man bad.
	Well, yeah, that sounds like they have issues that need to be resolved.
	Societal-based issues.
	Egalitarian problems.
	Yes.
	Well, the one piece of news that I thought was very important, that's why I sent the bonus clips off, which is this, which happened just as the show is being produced.
	And needed to be discussed a little bit, which is the ship, the two ships being attacked, variously reported as by torpedoes, and it was shells, and nobody really has gotten the story straight.
	It'll be straightened out after the show's done.
	Perfect.
	And by the way, this reflects almost to a T... The kind of stuff that was in the short 1-13 episode season of Rubicon.
	We're following a developing story out of the Gulf of Oman.
	The US Navy says it's responding to reports of attacks on shipping vessels there.
	A statement goes on to say that US naval forces in the region received two separate distress calls this morning, local time.
	It adds that ships in the area are rendering assistance.
	The news is sending oil prices up sharply.
	U.S. crude prices surged as much as 4% as details of the reports first emerged.
	They're currently up more than 2%, as you can see.
	CNN International Diplomatic editor, Nick Robertson, following developments from here in London.
	But first, I want to go to Goul.
	She's in Abu Dhabi.
	Goul, what do we know right now in terms of confirmed detail?
	Well, it's a developing story, but at this point we know that an incident took place on two shipping vessels in the Gulf of Oman.
	And in that particular, in these incidents, we know that one oil tanker was involved and a chemical, a vessel carrying chemical products was involved.
	The company that owns the chemical product shipping company, that vessel, says that their ship was attacked twice with some sort of shell.
	We know at this point that 44 people, crew members of those two ships, have been rescued by the Iranian Navy.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	What's your assessment of the sitch?
	Something's...
	I know you'd like that.
	What's the sitch, Kim Impossible?
	Um...
	I don't know.
	I think it could be a...
	How about this?
	I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	How about market manipulation?
	How about market manipulation?
	Market manipulation is part of it.
	That's the reference to Rubicon.
	Yes, and the oil price was already going down way too low.
	Uncomfortable.
	We can't have any of that.
	Yeah, so let's shoot a ship full of oil.
	Or maybe we'll just say the ship...
	Have we seen video?
	Have we seen any?
	Yeah.
	Like the Gulf of Tompkin.
	That was a classic.
	People should look into that.
	We'll have to see.
	We'll have to see.
	I mean, I like going back in time.
	I do have a clip from 2010, which I ran into a cache of old archived material from the recorders that I used back in 2010.
	And I said, what's on here?
	And it's just I had to re-edit them to produce them.
	But I got a kick out of this one because I don't know that NBC at Rockefeller Center has they have a store.
	Yeah.
	And I don't know that they sell Donald Trump memorabilia.
	But apparently in 2010, according to O'Reilly, who ridiculed this when he had a TV show, this O'Reilly, it says 1010, by the way.
	According to O'Reilly, this was, in 2010, this is what they were doing.
	NBC News continues to support the president just about every way.
	At their headquarters in Manhattan, the NBC store is selling Obama merchandise!
	Dolls, shirts, mugs.
	You can get them all at the NBC store.
	Didn't see any Sarah Palin stuff there.
	I didn't see Bold Fresh, but they may have been sold out.
	It's the Obama fetish from back then.
	It was great.
	It was good times.
	Everyone loved him.
	We were feeling good.
	It was hope and change.
	It was fabulous.
	Hope and change.
	Hope and change.
	We ended up with no hope and a pocket full of change.
	I recommended you watch this Fleabag.
	I think it's on Netflix.
	The series.
	Have you watched this Fleabag?
	Yeah.
	I've watched a couple episodes.
	I think it's the first episode, just because we're talking about Obama, And I thought it was very realistic.
	She's lying in bed with her boyfriend, and they're basically breaking up.
	Or, no, they just had sex, and he's done, and she was clearly not done.
	He rolls over, goes to sleep, and she's watching Obama and masturbating to Obama.
	What president did anyone do that to but Obama?
	I can't think any other president.
	Clinton.
	Particularly white women.
	No.
	Clinton, but they were forced.
	Oh, you're the worst.
	Bonner's back in town, Bonner's back in town.
	I said, Bonner's back in town, Bonner's back in town.
	Yeah, baby, Bonner's back in town.
	We are very proud to say that Ebola has moved from the Congo to a new spot in Africa.
	And my predictions always are when Ebola shows up, the military is on the way.
	A child was detected by the health workers at Kagando Hospital with signs and symptoms of Ebola and immediately transferred and isolated at Buera Hospital Ebola Treatment Unit for further management.
	A blood sample was drawn and sent for testing at Uganda Virus Research Institute very early on the morning of June 11th.
	And the sample tested positive for Ebola.
	All the other Congolese family members have been identified and are in isolation at Buera Hospital.
	As that Wednesday afternoon, the World Health Organization said two new cases of Ebola has been confirmed.
	The Ministry of Health, the World Organization and the Center for Disease Control have dispatched a rapid response team to CASESE to support the teams who are on the ground to continue with the various activities, including contact tracing and case management.
	The Ministry of Health, WHO and CDC will undertake ring vaccination of contacts to the case and other non-vaccinated frontline health workers, as well as other workers beginning 14th June 2019.
	So this ring vaccination is what really caught my my ear on this. .
	Apparently there is a...
	First of all, this is 30 kilometers from Kampala in Uganda.
	This is a big deal.
	This is now not just some little place we're mining up in the Congo.
	Kampala, this is where big terrorist attacks take place.
	A lot of things happen in Uganda.
	And we've sent CDC, which as we know has its roots in military...
	But then they're doing these ring vaccinations, which is...
	Here it is.
	The RVSV-ZEBOV, and it's a vaccine that is experimental, and they call this ring vaccination approach by offering to contacts of the people diagnosed with Ebola and their contacts, and also frontline workers, to be vaccinated with the test vaccine.
	So I don't know what the plan is on this.
	But I think...
	Hold on.
	Wasn't there...
	Isn't there a legitimately tested already vaccine for Ebola that they were shooting people up with in the Congo?
	This is the same one, but it's not legitimately tested.
	I thought it was.
	Same thing.
	Ring testing.
	Ring testing, which...
	Let me see if I have...
	Well, I'm unfamiliar with this.
	Well, it's a way of saying we're going to test this shit on you.
	Only we make it sound cool by saying ring.
	Okay, whatever.
	I don't know.
	I mean, it makes sense they're going to use the African population to just test random vaccines on.
	Well, this is what we've always been told, is that this takes place.
	And here it is, as far as I can tell.
	I mean, you make it sound great, and they have some kid who died, and I guess that he had Ebola.
	I don't know.
	But this is a development that is, it takes it out of the Congo, DRC, and puts it straight into, or right into, where I lived when I was a kid.
	Military, obviously, you'll be keeping track of this.
	This is not your thing.
	Yes, I will be on top of the Ebola.
	I will stay on top of Ebola.
	You bet.
	Come from Africa, give diarrhea.
	Okay, the other big news that you missed out on?
	Well, you didn't because it's in Hong Kong.
	Yes.
	And I have a pretty good update, and this is the Hong Kong update, and I believe this is CBS. They did a pretty good job.
	There were more clashes today in the streets of Hong Kong.
	Protesters are outraged over a proposal to send criminal suspects to mainland China for prosecution.
	Riot police met them with tear gas and rubber bullets.
	Rami Inocencio was in that crowd.
	We have to use force, said Hong Kong's police chief, and they did.
	They shot tear gas and pepper spray, swung batons and fired rubber bullets.
	Protesters pushed back with water bottles protected by umbrellas and masks.
	Everyone was a target, including us.
	Oh!
	Careful, careful!
	Already, the smoke and the tear gas is making its way here.
	Feeling it inside your nose, into your eyes, is getting closer and closer.
	Helping hands came from these protesters.
	But it's a small kind of sting when your future's at stake.
	I think there's no hope, but we still need to continue to fight against the big Beijing government and protect our city and our future.
	The hope?
	To stop lawmakers from passing a controversial extradition bill.
	The fear, if passed, anyone here could be extradited to mainland China.
	Human rights lawyer Jason Ng says that could include foreigners.
	If I'm an American and I did something bad here, I could potentially be extradited to China.
	Well, you don't even have to do anything bad.
	What is to stop China from making up evidence?
	Hong Kong's chief executive, Carrie Lam, who's appointed by Beijing, said she hasn't sold out Hong Kong.
	But in a separate speech, condemn the protesters as rioters.
	That designation means protesters may be subject to very long prison terms if arrested, but that's a risk many are willing to take, especially as we get closer to the bill's passage.
	Chief Executive Carrie Lam says she hopes to do that by next week.
	Yeah, this is interesting.
	Well, it flies in the face of these two systems, one country bull crap.
	Yeah, the deal that was made.
	The deal was hands off.
	Yeah, and so this, of course, all goes back to Thatcher, who screwed everybody by giving Hong Kong back to China for no apparent reason, because there'd still be a British colony otherwise.
	Because it was a lease for life, or some ridiculous number.
	The Chinese think long term, so it wasn't a big deal to them.
	And then the Chinese made a big stink about, well, don't worry about it, because I was in Hong Kong just before the 97 turnover.
	And everybody there was paranoid, and people come up to you, friends of mine, they say, all we hear is people speaking Mandarin, which was the Because everyone speaks Cantonese in Hong Kong, and they hear too many people, oh, these people,
	they're moving in, they're going to imprison us, and of course, there was the same period where all the expatriates moved to Canada, most of them, because you could buy Canadian citizenship for $250,000, and many of the great chefs of Hong Kong moved to Canada, which created, especially in Vancouver, Vancouver, a great subculture of Chinese restaurants.
	It was weird, and the Chinese assuaged it with this bullcrap, which apparently is bullcrap, and this woman, this lamb woman, who's the governor of Hong Kong, appointed by Beijing, is a creep.
	Well, a word about the social scoring that would apparently be used to entrap people and have them extradited, Tina was talking with some people at the gym.
	I think she's at a new gym now because we moved.
	And she was talking about her nutty husband, the conspiracy tinfoil hat-wearing dude.
	And somehow the conversation went to Black Mirror and The Social Score.
	That one of the first episodes, which I think was one of the best ones in the second season.
	I don't know what the hell they're doing, but...
	One of the guys there is in China quite regularly, even had the social score app.
	He said, ah, the kids hate it.
	They found all these ways to hack around it.
	They show you, oh, look, you do this, you do this, and then your score changes.
	They're completely circumventing the whole system, which is encouraging to hear.
	Well, it's discouraging for me to hear.
	That you have to do that because those bypasses are always thwarted eventually.
	Yeah, to a degree.
	I'd like to hear from some of our producers in China about the circumvention.
	What do you do?
	I mean, what exactly do you, is it the way, do you hold your phone different or turn something on or off?
	There's probably some apps that feed data here and there where it shouldn't be going.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, it's good for you to do that, but at the same time, the public at large in China can only put up with so much.
	They have had revolutions.
	And it could happen again.
	I have just two items I want to discuss quickly.
	One, congratulations.
	Yes.
	You have a clip?
	Last thing is a clip?
	Because that would be great.
	Yeah, last thing will be a clip.
	I have two stories, no clip.
	First of all, Remember my prediction, football, soccer is going to be big in the States as long as it's women.
	I love the pounding the USA team gave to Thailand, 13-0 at the World Cup.
	There's your boring scores, John.
	You always hate these boring 1-1-1-0-0-0 scores.
	13-0!
	And then they were gloating about it, and now they're discouraged.
	Everyone hates them.
	Everyone hates them.
	You're bad winners.
	That's worse than sore losers.
	You guys are horrible.
	I'm all for it.
	I think you pounded the ties.
	Perfect.
	The second one is about this helicopter crash in Manhattan, and I have been able to do some work on this.
	So I'm pretty sure I know what happened, although we never know exactly until we get the full report.
	First of all, I owned this exact type of aircraft in 1999.
	This was the Augusta 109E Power.
	First of all, it's one of the safest machines you can fly.
	It's a twin-turban engine.
	It can do single-pilot IFR, which means you can fly in any conditions, just like...
	Well, not at the altitude, but just like any airline aircraft on, you know, essentially your on instruments.
	You have to be certified.
	This pilot, although he was an experienced pilot, was not certified IFR.
	So you can't fly in instrument flying rules conditions.
	Now, I'm not certified on helicopter for IFR, but I have had the training for, And here's what happens.
	When you are flying in what we call white-out conditions, which is what he was in, the ceiling was 700 feet, but when you're even 200 feet below that, it looks very different in the air than from the ground.
	You probably saw the video of the helicopter flying, quote, erratically.
	You actually can't see where you are in those kinds of conditions.
	And when you're flying a helicopter, you're not instrument rated, and you don't know how to use the instruments, you will be upside down within 30 seconds.
	You get vertigo, and it's a very, very dangerous situation.
	This guy tried to make it back.
	He wanted to, what we call scud running, to kind of skirt underneath the ceiling.
	And I think he got up there, and immediately he got disoriented.
	That's what we saw on that video.
	And unfortunately, he crashed into the building.
	It's that simple.
	And it's a day wrecker for him and for everybody else involved.
	But it was a typical, very typical case of pilot error, which is what most of these accidents are.
	And he never should have taken off.
	It was just a big mistake.
	So that's all there is to it.
	Everything else you heard is bullcrap.
	That would make sense.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Well, last clip.
	This was kind of a newsy thing and it was done.
	Somebody did a deep fake on Zuckerberg.
	I have not seen it.
	Was it any good?
	Yes.
	It was not very long because I think it's 23 seconds.
	I get the whole clip here.
	I have the voice.
	It's 17 seconds.
	It takes a lot of work to make one of these.
	And it has Zuckerberg sitting there, looks just like Zuckerberg.
	It's based on Zuckerberg.
	And then they have a voice which doesn't sound quite like Zuckerberg, but it sounds enough.
	Zuckerberg kind of swallows what he says.
	I can't even do the imitation.
	But he does it a little bit.
	Gates does it.
	A lot of these guys do that.
	And so it sounds more like a very clear Zuckerberg.
	And it's not even, it's not that interesting, but I do have the clip.
	But I do want to say that I believe, and Zuckerberg did, you know, the Facebook said, they're not, big news was, they're not taking it off Instagram, this fake.
	And that was because they refused to take off to Nancy Pelosi.
	And so they said, look, we've kept ours on, too.
	It's just the way we are.
	And so they didn't take it off.
	And they shouldn't have taken it off because it's so funny.
	But here is what it sounds like.
	Imagine this for a second.
	One man with total control of billions of people's stolen data.
	All their secrets, their lives, their futures.
	I owe it all to Spectre.
	Spectre showed me that whoever controls the data controls the future.
	Okay, hold on a second.
	That sounded nothing like Zuckerberg.
	That's the worst fake I've ever heard.
	No, not even.
	I disagree.
	I think it vaguely sounds like him.
	And then when you have his head there yakking away...
	Well, that's the difference, yes.
	But when you just hear it?
	No.
	I thought it didn't sound anything like him at all.
	I thought it sounded vaguely like him.
	But...
	That was it.
	That was the bit.
	It was very funny.
	They're leaving it up.
	It's going to just encourage more people to do these things, which is probably not the good idea.
	Personally, if I was Facebook, I'd take down the Pelosi one.
	I'd take down this.
	I'd take them both down.
	Exactly why they didn't...
	It's because, you know, these guys are reactive.
	They're all, oh, the only conservatives bitching them all.
	Okay, but hold on, hold on.
	You're taking our stuff down.
	So they're just doing stuff stupidly.
	They should take both these things down.
	They stink, and the problem I have with them is not that they're political one way or the other or just nutty.
	It's that it's encouraging more people to do this stuff, but we don't need it.
	Well, was this the synthesized voice that did this deepfake?
	Was that like the one they did with Joe Rogan?
	Is that the same company that put this together?
	I have no idea.
	I didn't dig into it.
	Well, all I'm saying is just like when we listen to audio only of a television show, that's when you hear the bad acting.
	I have not seen this deepfake video.
	I was not seeing Zuckerberg's face, only what was burned into my head from seeing him.
	It did not sound like him.
	It's the same thing.
	You're right.
	When we do the video clips of some TV show and then we just use the audio of the acting, it's terrible.
	And you just start noticing it.
	And that's probably you.
	I had the disadvantage of seeing the thing with his face, and so I'm looking to hear him more than you are.
	And I did.
	I hear a little bit of him in there.
	A little bit.
	Even though it's fake.
	Yeah.
	But, yeah, you're right.
	I'm not going to deny that.
	And I never said it was great.
	The face part is.
	No, because I've read about this.
	I've not seen it or heard it.
	And I'm just like, oh, really?
	This is what everyone's all jacked about?
	It's no good.
	It's just no good.
	I knew you wouldn't have it because you were floating around.
	So I thought I'd just play it for you.
	And it's only 17 seconds long.
	Yeah.
	Well, everybody, we're going to...
	Oh, we've gone long, speaking of long, so we're going to shut it down for now, but we'll return on Sunday, Father's Day.
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	I hope so.
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