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	Close it down!
	Close the website down!
	Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
	It's Sunday, June 9th, 2019.
	This is your award-winning Kimbo Nation Media Assassination, episode 1145.
	This is no agenda.
	Serving the knitting community for 11 years and broadcasting live from the frontier of Austin, Texas.
	Capital of the Drone, Star State in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where this podcast is number three.
	I'm John C. Devorak.
	Yes, beating out that other conservative podcast, Joe Rogan!
	Exactly.
	John is referring to the, what was the name of that website?
	It is Liberty Nation.
	Liberty Nation.
	Now, it looks kind of pro, Liberty Nation.
	Yeah, it seems, it's legit.
	It seems like a legit aura.
	So this was the, we made the top ten list, which was apparently a poll.
	It was voted on by the readers of Liberty Nation.
	Top ten conservative podcasts to download in 2019.
	Woohoo!
	Number three.
	Do you have the list in front of you?
	I do, as a matter of fact.
	Give us the list.
	Number ten is the Dan Carlin Hardcore History.
	History podcast.
	Again, like most of them, it says, quote-unquote, not technically a conservative podcast.
	It doesn't say that.
	Yeah, it says that.
	Oh, really?
	It says it on his podcast?
	No, no, it says it on his...
	Yes, on his entry.
	It says, not technically a conservative podcast.
	Yeah, but he got a number 10.
	Somebody wrote on Twitter, says, this is really the podcast that conservatives like to listen to.
	That makes sense.
	They're not necessarily conservatives, and most of them aren't.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	Or a lot of them aren't.
	Yeah.
	Number nine is part of the problem.
	I haven't heard that.
	Not familiar with it.
	The Uprising, which is Liberty Nation's house podcast.
	That's okay.
	Well, the people who read Liberty Nation, I'm sure, would be...
	Hey, I'm just happy we're on a list.
	Number seven, The Tom Woods Show.
	Which is a good show.
	That's a good show.
	And he apparently is not that conservative.
	The number six, The Rubin Report.
	And The Rubin Report's really just an interview show, and it's not...
	Hold on.
	It's not a conservative.
	Dave Rubin is a gay liberal.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I didn't know he was gay.
	You need to adjust your gaydar.
	I've been way off recently.
	Your gaydar needs some adjustment, my friend.
	And there's jokes to be told.
	Number five, the Federalist podcast, which I've only listened to once.
	I find it to be extremely...
	No offense to the Federalist, which I like the publication, but the podcast is dull.
	Yeah.
	And then number four, the Joe Rogan experience.
	Which is anything but a...
	He's really kind of a liberal.
	Yeah.
	But he's had Alex Jones and he likes Alex Jones.
	Ah, okay.
	That's...
	Yeah, thus.
	And number three, No Agenda.
	Hosted by Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak, the No Agenda podcast is a real journey through the minds of the hosts.
	Hold on a second.
	I think...
	I think that someone was doing the list, and like, okay, I've got to write a little blurb about each of these podcasts, so let me listen to five minutes.
	And if you listen to the first five minutes of our show, we could indeed be talking about a restaurant, we could be talking about some product, and then we go into our personal experience.
	So if you listen to like five minutes of the opening of our show, yeah, you probably think, oh, these guys go everywhere.
	Yeah.
	Number two, The Ben Shapiro Show, which is really a radio show, but okay.
	Well, no, I consider what he does a podcast.
	Well, he's on the radio.
	And the number one, The Dan Bongino Show, the undisputed number one podcast for those who like their liberty in audio form.
	This show...
	The polls of both LN authors and LN readers, making it, in other words, both groups liked it.
	Now, Bongino is a radio guy.
	His show is a radio show, too, I believe.
	I think the two of those, Shapiro and Bongino are crossovers.
	We're not.
	We're pure.
	We're pure play, baby.
	Pure play.
	And Bongino is an ex-Secret Service guy who's a natural broadcaster.
	He is a natural broadcaster, and he would...
	I think his radio show is on Sirius XM. I don't know how much radio show that is.
	He does a lot of substituting for...
	Yes, and that's what I was going to say.
	He's good at AM radio, talk show type stuff.
	And it's his skill.
	You need that skill to draw 25 minutes of content out to a full hour.
	Because I subscribe to his podcast.
	And I like his podcast.
	That's what he does.
	But I need 25 minutes of the information.
	And I'm sure people say that about our show.
	Although we're more than just information.
	We take you on a journey inside our minds.
	Inside our minds.
	And that's true.
	It's true.
	You know, you come for the deconstruction, you stay for the sound effects.
	There you go.
	And the stories.
	I think that's where...
	And actually today we're going to be using some of our expertise in fields to help people deconstruct what is going on.
	What is going on?
	Well, first, John, you can really pick them.
	I'm surprised.
	I mean, this show has picked sports competition winners.
	It has picked...
	We tagged Donald Trump very early on as going to win.
	The Pope?
	Named the Pope?
	That was all you.
	Well, this show.
	I'll just say it's this show.
	We've picked Eurovision Song Contest winners.
	We've had some losers, too.
	But usually we're able to pick them pretty accurately.
	And wow, man, on Brexit, who would possibly be the next, or just the UK, possibly be the next Prime Minister with the resignation of Theresa May?
	You brought up a name which I'd never heard of before.
	You kept saying, yeah, the Gov guy. Gov. Gov. Michael Gov.
	Michael Gov.
	Well, you can pick him, John.
	For the last few weeks, Michael Gov has had his sights set on a promising future.
	I can confirm that I will be putting my name forward to be Prime Minister of this country.
	But it is his past that's getting attention right now.
	Mr Gove's cocaine admission comes right in the middle of his bid for the Tory leadership.
	So he had to come out and say, I did coke!
	I did coke!
	Because I guess someone was about to publish a book or something.
	And this was 20 years ago.
	But his actual quote about his misdeeds is perhaps even more interesting.
	Mr.
	Gove told the Daily Mail, I took drugs on several occasions at social events more than 20 years ago.
	At the time I was a young journalist, it was a mistake.
	I look back and think, I wish I hadn't done that.
	Now, why would he add the moniker, at the time I was a young journalist?
	Does that mean journalists who are young are on coke?
	Is this what they do?
	Thank you for your answer.
	I have no reason to doubt it.
	That's in there for a reason.
	Yeah, that's the reason.
	You just outlined it.
	Because it's true?
	No, it's because it's a great assertion to make, and it's like putting everyone on notice.
	I think a lot of young journalists are on coke.
	I think a lot of young people are on coke that are in high-pressure businesses.
	I think there's a lot of coke heads in Silicon Valley, and I think there's a lot of...
	Cokeheads in the New York Times.
	I just can't say that I know this as an absolute fact.
	I just get the sense of it.
	Well, you're good at detecting that.
	I have no drug dar in that regard.
	I cannot tell.
	All you do is check them how many times they go to their nose.
	Yeah, well, being someone who has Tourette's and tics, you know, I'd be wary.
	Well, I mean, besides that, yes.
	I'd be wary.
	It would be tough for you.
	I can see that.
	Right now, I got Tourette's.
	Now he's a cocaine.
	Now I've got to touch my nose all of a sudden, just because we're talking about it.
	It's crazy, this disease.
	It's crazy.
	But, of course, everyone's okay with it.
	Ah, we don't really care about his history.
	You know, we're not America.
	We're not crazy like America and all that.
	We get all nutty about what you did in the past.
	So I guess that was a hit job that they tried to pull off on him.
	And I think it's actually good to point out that he was a young journalist because that puts the actual journalists on notice who are reporting on the story.
	It does, kind of.
	Because that's kind of the next obvious question, as was mine.
	Really?
	You kids all on coke?
	So that was a hit job on him.
	Something that came out yesterday, which to me means that the HAG may be operative again.
	Do you remember HAG? Yeah.
	H-A-G? I thought you said HAG. No, HAG. HAG. HAG. It's an acronym.
	HAG. The Hillary Assassination Group.
	Oh, I forgot all about them.
	They've been killing the Republicans in their homes.
	Well, and I... One of her two brothers, Hillary Clinton's brothers, died.
	Tony.
	Tony Rodham.
	And, you know, which I was...
	He was 64, 65...
	But the cause of death has not been reported.
	It's unknown.
	Oh, you think it was part of the HAG operation?
	Well, so why wouldn't you just say what happened?
	So when you don't say anything, then it doesn't sound like it was a sickness, so it may have been a suicide or something.
	I don't know if anything has come out since we started the show.
	Well, they also leave.
	Usually they won't say anything if it's AIDS-related, generally speaking.
	I've noticed this.
	Right.
	Right.
	But we are in the age of mopping up, cleaning up, and getting rid of stuff.
	And this is really, once again, I am so grateful for our Value for Value network of producers and dudes named Ben, dudettes named Bernadette.
	I mean, long ago we made a decision for all of our show notes and all of our information to be run in the Freedom Controller.
	Thank you, Dave Jones.
	Which is, you know, structured, all text, all show notes, everything is structured text.
	It's XML, actually.
	So it's highly exportable.
	You can do all kinds of fun things with it.
	So that's why we have no agenda player.
	That's why we have bingit.io for the show note search.
	So very quickly I was able to...
	I bring to the front these little nagging remembrances that I had in the back of my mind about her brother Tony.
	Yeah, I forgot all about him.
	Well, thank you.
	This is what our No Agenda Network does.
	We've got two stories from 2015 when Tony and Hugh both actually were in the news with controversy.
	And this is regarding the 2016 election.
	So, you know, there was already some stuff brewing.
	And we'll first listen to CNN kind of blow it all off.
	The allegation is that Hillary Clinton's younger brother has parlayed his relationship with Bill and Hillary Clinton throughout the years to come up with some sometimes dubious business deals for himself.
	You just laid it out pretty well right there.
	I mean, look, there has been an ongoing focus on the brothers Rodham, right?
	On Tony and Hugh Rodham, Hillary Clinton's brothers.
	What was striking about the story that my colleague Steve Eder did is there are these court transcripts where Tony Rodham openly says, I leaned on my brother-in-law to get help me.
	I went through the Clinton Foundation.
	He says this.
	That type of stuff, I think, is very unhelpful.
	That you were going to see in attack mailers.
	You were going to see that potentially in ads.
	It says here, when Mr.
	Rodham was short on cash in 2010, Mr.
	Clinton helped him get a job for $72,000 a year raising investments in Green Tech Automotive, an electric car company then owned by Terry McAuliffe, an old friend of Mr.
	Clinton's and now the governor of Virginia.
	Don't we all help our brothers and boys?
	I was going to say, I'm not sure.
	I mean, I agree with you.
	What's wrong with that?
	I was going to say, what's wrong with that?
	No, that I think people will forgive, helping us.
	He's not a politician, right?
	Bill Clinton is not in office.
	It doesn't seem to conflict with hard job as Secretary of State.
	If Bill Clinton helped out the brother-in-law, I don't see that as a scandal.
	To me, if there's any issue, I totally agree.
	I think that people forgive.
	You help your family.
	You help your brother.
	I think that the more you see things of, you know, I went to the foundation for help.
	Now, the foundation says there's no evidence that we can do anything that he said.
	But it's just, it's not great.
	Oh yeah, so the foundations, it's nothing, it's nothing!
	This was episode 706, by the way, of the No Agenda Show.
	From that same episode, we brought you this report.
	Hillary Rodham Clinton's brother, Tony Rodham, sat on the board of a self-described mining company that in 2012 received one of only two gold exploitation permits from the Haitian government, the first issued in over 50 years.
	The tiny North Carolina company, VCS Mining, also included on its board, Bill Clinton's co-chair of the Interim Haiti Recovery Commission, former Haitian Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellarive.
	The Rodham gold mine revelation is just one of dozens, featured in a forthcoming bombshell investigative book by three-time New York Times best-selling author Peter Schweitzer.
	And that, of course, was Clinton cash.
	So there's lots of loose ends with Tony.
	And if you have an investigation into connections with the State Department, shenanigans going on with the Obama administration, all kinds of missing documents, and there's, I don't know, how many investigations are now running.
	We've got multiple inspectors general.
	You know, maybe Tony got in the way.
	Ah, could be.
	I have no better answer.
	Put him on the list.
	I have no better answer since, you know, there's no information.
	Put him on the list.
	On the list of what?
	Oh, the hag list?
	The body count.
	The body count list, yeah.
	Clinton body count.
	It's not just about Hillary.
	Yes, exactly.
	I don't know.
	When's the last time you looked at that list?
	It's huge.
	It is quite a big list.
	And I feel bad about...
	You gotta go, hey, you know, this list is a little...
	I don't know.
	This is pretty big, this list.
	I feel bad about going straight to this.
	I mean, even last night I'm reading through this article, and I go, mm-mm.
	And the keeper immediately goes, oh, don't tell me.
	He was killed?
	Well, since they haven't told us what happened, you just got to...
	You've got to think about stuff.
	And I just recall that he was controversial a couple of years ago around elections.
	And it was important.
	And they poo-pooed it on CNN. Yet there was all kinds of shenanigans with the gold mine in Haiti.
	The gold mine in Haiti.
	That's a classic.
	It is a classic.
	One of two licenses.
	Okay.
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	Well, I guess if you look at the New York Times front page today, you will see the topic I'd like to discuss, the adpocalypse.
	Okay, so I have thoughts on this because this thing is, I'm going to let you do your thing.
	But first of all, I'm going to kind of predict what you're going to do.
	Why would you do that?
	Why?
	Yeah, why would you predict what the outcome of what I'm about to say is?
	Because I could be wrong.
	And then you can gloat.
	And if you're right, then I don't have to do it?
	Is that the point?
	Okay, I'm not going to predict anything.
	I had my mind made up of what I was going to do, because I knew you were going to do this.
	Because you telegraphed it on Twitter.
	And I had a counter-argument.
	Then I said, oh, this is no.
	Okay, whatever.
	I got very disappointed.
	By your counter-argument?
	No, my counter-argument was good, but then I read this article.
	Oh, jeez.
	And actually, there is something important we need to do first.
	People's brains are getting fried trying to understand the perceived censorship of conservatives on social media, and this week in particular, it was YouTube.
	Yeah.
	Now, the way all media sees this, whether it's alternative, whether it's mainstream, except for this show.
	So I was telegraphing.
	I was also gauging response that we're pretty much the only ones, or I think you're going to be on board with most of what I have to say, Who see this in the way that it's actually unfolding and what this is really about.
	So in the lexicon, the ways people speak...
	In fact, I have a little...
	This was on Friday.
	Glenn Greenwald was on Tucker Carlson, which is always a fun match since Greenwald is definitely not your typical Fox guest.
	And here's his take on what went down, and he's missing one important piece.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, I personally find Steven Crowder to be just a contemptuous cretin as a commentator.
	I do think he's an infantile bully and bigot, which are not words I easily invoke.
	He didn't just criticize Carlos Maza.
	He mocked him for being gay and for being Latino.
	Tino used a lisp and things to ridicule him, sent a lot of harassment his way.
	But that's the point, Tucker, is that censorship advocates want our brains to only go to that most primitive first level of do we hate this person?
	And are we therefore glad that they're being censored without thinking about the framework being endorsed or the consequences?
	That ensue from it.
	I mean, I personally, it resonates a lot for me because I've dealt with harassment far greater than what Carlos Maza is complaining of.
	I'm a gay man in a country, Brazil, that just elected a president, driven by intense anti-gay animus.
	My husband's a member of Congress in the oppositional party.
	We've been mocked and derided with our sexual orientation, not by random YouTubers, but by the president of the country himself on Twitter and his family members who are elected members of Congress.
	And it would never occur to me to run to social media companies to beg for censorship because, in part, it's just something that comes with the territory of being a public figure, but more so because I don't want to live in a world where our discourse is policed and determined.
	by benevolent overlords who run Silicon Valley companies you know, are always going to cater to the most powerful faction.
	That's what happened here.
	YouTube caved in, not in defense of the marginalized person, but in defense of the powerful one.
	The one who, despite being gay and Latino, works for a major media conglomerate.
	And that's what they're always going to do, is defend the mob and defend the powerful at the expense of those who are marginalized.
	So Glenn Greenwald is correct that Silicon Valley companies will always cater to the strongest influence, but he's incorrect in saying that they will always cater to the strongest influence being big media corporations.
	No bullshit.
	And we're going to explain why.
	And with this Vox, Crowder, Gay Wonk, whatever it was, controversy, the timing was perfect for a 21-month investigative piece to be published today.
	That's just so coincidental.
	This is the making of a YouTube radical.
	This is the front page of the New York Times, which really shows you how evil YouTube is at a systemic level.
	And the people on it.
	In particular, pointing out Stefan Molyneux, I think he can be prepared for what's coming.
	Well, there was actually on the front page of the New York Times a couple of things.
	One, they had the front page of the online edition.
	They had four people.
	It's on the front page of the printed edition, too.
	Okay, they had these four people.
	Oh.
	I think the front page of the online is pretty much a reflection, except on the online version, they had them in motion.
	They were moving.
	Oh, yeah.
	It was animated.
	Yeah, that's better.
	It's an extra dimension.
	It's actually kind of cool.
	So they had the blonde in the bunker, whatever their name, or Blondie, Blondie, whatever her name is on the left.
	And then they had Paul.
	And then they had the other Paul, Watson.
	Mm-hmm.
	Who's the guy with the beard?
	I've seen him before, but for some reason I could...
	And they didn't have a name of anybody.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	You're no help.
	Somebody in the chat room knows who that is.
	Well, you said two Pauls.
	I don't know who it is.
	Okay, well, I'll open up the article then.
	Hold on.
	I can tell you exactly who it is.
	They must have a million different pictures on this article.
	Are you in the front page?
	The article's got a million pictures.
	It's on the front page of the Times that you have these four guys.
	Okay, let me take a look.
	And I can tell you for a fact that on the article, I can't identify more than one or two people there.
	Okay, the...
	Lauren Southern.
	I mean, if you're looking at...
	That's not Lauren Southern, that's Blondie.
	That's Lauren Southern.
	The one in the upper left-hand corner?
	Yes, it even says it in the caption, John.
	Oh, okay.
	Clockwise from left.
	There's blonde that looks just like it.
	Lawrence Southern, Stefan Molyneux, Paul Joseph Watson, and Rebel Media.
	Rebel Media would be on the left, though.
	That's Paul Joseph Watson on the right.
	So it's incorrect.
	Even their caption is incorrect.
	Actually, it's a nice long piece, a very long article.
	But before we get to that...
	What we're going to talk about is advertising.
	And I think it's probably a good idea for us to state our credentials.
	In particular, digital advertising.
	Because for some reason, people think they understand advertising.
	The misconception that advertising is, oh, you get bigger numbers, you make more money.
	It's how it works.
	Everybody gets it.
	Advertisers don't care if they advertise.
	They just want eyeballs.
	They just want eyeballs.
	That's how it works.
	And I think this started with...
	Put the time code down.
	Yes.
	I think this started with...
	Really with the first ad networks and the display...
	Well, we had the display ads first.
	If it just showed on a webpage, you remember those days?
	You'd make money.
	And those were invented by a couple of guys that used to work at PC Magazine when they went over to CNET, which is the company that invented the banner ad.
	So they had banner ads, and this has morphed over time.
	But let's just go back.
	My credentials, besides having brought Budweiser to MTV, which was very precarious, MTV really wanted Budweiser on the channel for the money.
	No other reason for the money.
	And they couldn't figure out a way to do it until we came up with the idea of Spring Break.
	Spring Break was created for Budweiser.
	Not because MTV wanted to go show how much fun kids were having.
	It was to get Budweiser on the channel.
	And there were several stipulations.
	The main one was nothing could be done live.
	MTV did Mardi Gras.
	We do live.
	We do live all the time.
	Back in the day, at least.
	It's all over.
	But Spring Break had to be taped and edited and delayed because Budweiser could not condone anything happening that would involve kids drunk, which is pretty much what Spring Break is.
	But it happened.
	And we got Budweiser and Bud Light, and it was fantastic.
	And in fact, then we brought in Nivea for some of the stuff that might portray too much drunkenness, so they had different advertisers.
	But the sensitivity of the advertisers is what I'm getting to.
	So I started a company in 1993 called OnRamp.
	Bought 15 other digital agencies and created Think New Ideas, took that public on NASDAQ in 1996 with Omnicom, arguably the biggest, either number one or two, depending on WPP, who you're arguing with, conglomerate of advertising agencies.
	They were our largest shareholder, personally invested by John Wren, the CEO. And we built the first...
	A plague.
	A plague, these companies.
	They bought up everybody.
	Well, they didn't buy us up.
	We wouldn't let.
	They wanted to buy us.
	You said, no, we'll go public.
	The point is that all these little advertising agencies and some big ones used to be very famous.
	Doyle, Dane, and Burnback.
	These guys and those guys.
	And they all end up part of a giant conglomerate.
	This is terrible.
	Yes.
	And they're caller shots.
	Anyway, continue, please.
	Built the first website for, actually, Budweiser was the first call we got.
	Budweiser.com.
	Bud.com.
	Budlight.com.
	Reebok.com.
	They didn't have a website.
	We built Reebok.com.
	Tampax.com.
	Built this company, our company, Think New Ideas, to 700 employees, seven different countries, $450 million in revenue.
	Yeah, this is when you were famous.
	And we were there with agency.com.
	It was called Silicon Alley.
	Jason Calacanis was still in New York.
	So learned a lot about the sensitivities of advertisers.
	Let me give you a few examples from the early days.
	Reebok, we built planet Reebok.com and we put a forum in there.
	Get a panicked call from the...
	Well, it wasn't the CEO, but it was the chief marketing officer.
	People are talking about our shoes, that they're being made by children on this forum.
	What are we going to do?
	Close it down!
	Close the website down!
	And she was a woman.
	That's the crazy part.
	That's how she sounded.
	That's another time code.
	It may unfortunately be this way for the whole show.
	And, you know, these were huge issues.
	We had AT&T. Oh, my goodness.
	Just a smaller example.
	Shut the website down.
	We did the YouWill campaign.
	YouWill.com, which you registered.
	Remember Tom Selleck?
	And he had these stylized...
	And of course it all came true.
	He'd be sitting on the beach with some kind of digital thing, some slab of whatever.
	One day, you'll send an email from the beach.
	You will.
	So we built the website, youwill.com, and it was a promotion with a feedback loop.
	But these are the days of color monitors that did 256 colors.
	And the, again, you know, we usually dealt with the chief, with the C-suite, the chief marketing officers in buy-in from the CEO. So it was a big deal.
	They were looking at their AT&T logo, which of course has to be so many pixels from the...
	We didn't even talk in pixels at the time.
	So many inches from the border of the page, from any content around it.
	But because of the color of the monitors and the state of color correctness and clarity...
	Non-existent.
	It didn't look like the AT&T blue logo.
	Shut the website down!
	I had to fly...
	I had to fly.
	I think it was in Boston at the time.
	Webb was in charge of it then.
	Had to explain that that's not how.
	So they're very, very, very...
	Oh, here's another one.
	It's my favorite.
	So we were...
	After being digital, we really became a full-service agency and also did television commercials.
	And we did a big positioning piece for Oracle for the Super Bowl.
	And this would have been Super Bowl...
	Oh, man.
	The one in 97, 98?
	I can't remember.
	Oracle was a major sponsor.
	And we did this beautiful, you know, like, you see monks.
	Positioning piece.
	We're Oracle.
	We're saving the world.
	It's going to be great.
	And we had one of the first times a URL ran on the screen.
	On the screen.
	It was insane.
	Oracle.com.
	In fact, it might have been oraclecontest.com or some specialized thing.
	So this was to sell Oracle's wares.
	And people started hitting the server the minute that popped up on screen.
	We were running the server, and everything got overloaded pretty much immediately.
	We had no idea what to expect.
	These things hadn't been done yet.
	Unfortunately, we had put some failover stuff in to multiple servers, and some of those were IIS, Internet Information Servers, running on Windows with the Microsoft SQL backend.
	And somehow, you know, it failed over to these other websites.
	It got hammered so bad that an error appeared on the screen with Oracle, you know, contest.com, error, Microsoft SQL Server, Internet Information Server.
	Let me tell you, we got fired.
	We got fired for that.
	Yeah, I would fire you too.
	Of course you would.
	Of course.
	I even tried to lie it off, but it didn't work.
	So we got fired.
	I actually vaguely remember that incident because it may have floated around in the tech writing.
	Oh, that could have, yeah.
	Yeah, I think it was one of those things.
	Microsoft did the same thing when they bought Hotmail and it turned out it was running on Linux.
	It was running on Linux.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I remember that too.
	Very embarrassing.
	What?
	It's not running on your Exchange server?
	What?
	Yeah, of course.
	Try running 100 people on Exchange, let alone hundreds of millions.
	So the point is, I have a lot of experience with advertisers and sensitivity that they have and controversy if it's uncontrolled.
	Controversy can be great.
	Reebok and Nike both use this all the time.
	When it's controlled controversy, when they know the parameters, they know where it could spin out of control.
	But if it's an unknown, if they really don't know, even the smallest risk, the smallest risk will be taken as, let's avoid it.
	Let's not do that.
	Things will go bad.
	John, I'd like you to just briefly give us a few of your credentials so people understand that we come from a business where we really understand what's going on and it's way beyond just numbers.
	Well, I've talked about it on the last show, which is the fact that I've always worked in a commercial environment.
	I was on public radio for a while.
	But that's very similar, except that the commercial environment is kind of hidden from the public.
	But, you know, PC Magazine, San Francisco Examiner, and some of these others, and probably every computer magazine that was done in the 80s, I've written for them.
	I've written for all of them.
	And I've written for the New York Times and elsewhere.
	And And you are very cognizant of the fact, even though you don't talk about it too much, of advertisers and what their influence is, and you get condemned for it constantly.
	People always say, well, the only reason you're doing that is because you've got a lot of advertisers in the magazine that support this, and so you won't say anything bad about them.
	But ironically, the public doesn't seem to really have a clue.
	Advertisers are influencing the editorial because the main one that they'd always bitch and moan about was Microsoft.
	Right.
	And they'd always say, well, Microsoft owns PC Magazine and Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft.
	And Microsoft rarely, if ever, advertised in PC Magazine US.
	Almost never.
	Yet they were always blamed for influence.
	Because, you know, we don't want to hurt their feelings.
	I mean, the editors are pretty soft about a lot of this stuff.
	But one of my favorite examples was I was being syndicated around the world in all these crazy little PC magazines that were everywhere.
	And I wrote something up that pissed off Microsoft.
	And they, even though they don't advertise, they have a lot of, they had a lot of public relations people and they had me banned from PC Magazine Italy of all places.
	Really?
	And I found this out from the Italian, oh yeah, Microsoft made a big stink, said they'll never advertise again if a Dvorak column ever appears in our magazine.
	Right.
	And so I thought that was pretty gruesome.
	Well, that's actually, that's a great example.
	Just, just repeat that again.
	They said, what?
	They said that if Dvorak appears in any issue of PC Magazine Italy, they will not advertise with them ever.
	Regardless of what it's about, regardless of where your column is, it was just you and your attitude.
	I actually showed up as being banned.
	There was discovery during one of these Microsoft...
	Lawsuits.
	And somebody sent me some pages from Discovery.
	This was called Discovery So Great.
	Yes, because you can really get all the docs.
	And I was listed on there as a guy that they shouldn't be talking to.
	Persona non grata.
	Yeah.
	And I was also banned by Apple.
	I wrote a column about Steve.
	It was a pretty nasty column.
	It was an info world when I was there.
	I wrote this column when Jobs quit Apple.
	It was rousted by Scully.
	Jobs was a jerk.
	So I wrote...
	Steve, Goodbye Steve Jobs, Good Riddance, I think was the title.
	Ooh, bad boy.
	And somebody told me that they saw that column in his office pinned to something.
	Ooh, ooh.
	And I was banned.
	I wouldn't get any products.
	I wouldn't get invited to any events.
	Who cares?
	It's like I need to drive down to Cupertino anyway.
	But anyway, but the best story was Microsoft, big advertiser, Throwing their weight around in Brazil.
	They had a piece of magazine in Brazil and I would go down there every so often because I wrote for other magazines down there.
	And I was hanging out with the guy who was the publisher and he said that Microsoft came down there and said, we want a 12-month advertising spread and then a six-month advertising spread for the next year and a half.
	Right.
	And the guy gave him the rate card.
	And the Microsoft sales guy goes, no.
	He says, we're not paying anything for these ads.
	You just run them.
	I said, what are you talking about?
	We just don't run ads for free.
	I said, oh no, you run them because if you don't have Microsoft ads in your magazine, no one will take you seriously.
	You're not a real magazine.
	Exactly.
	And I thought that was fascinating.
	That's a good one.
	I like that.
	So the point is I've been around it.
	Well, and together we...
	We were at Podshow slash Mevio.
	We learned exactly how problems, certainly in today's environment, where you have ad-buying networks, you have...
	Auction-based systems where people go in and say, okay, and it's what you'd expect it to be.
	It's what the promise always was.
	The promise was, all right, I want to get 24, 35-year-olds.
	I want to have them interested in this, interested in that.
	And yeah, those are the eyeballs I want.
	And then go ahead and put it out there.
	And, of course, this would run on these networks.
	It would run on all kinds of scam sites, pop-unders, pop-overs, invisible, down on the page, never saw it, all kinds of bots, fake clicks, fake views, so much.
	And then the advertisers started to go...
	Yeah, you know, I got a call from my client and he saw his BMW ad running on this porn site and, you know, so then the ad networks had to clean up their business because, of course, the basic idea of you pay $15 per thousand people that have seen this, clicked this, read this, heard this, etc., that remains.
	But when you have everyone able to see all of the places the advertising shows up, and the brand itself, who has been promised a, and here it comes, brand safe exposure and experience, they get very upset when, in fact,
	at Mevio, we had this exact example with BMW. And it also ran on, I think it was either Madge Weinstein's podcast, and just on the show page, and Madge Weinstein is the bloated lesbian from Chicago, And they pulled the whole campaign.
	Well, you guys, how can we trust you?
	How can you prove to us that that will never happen again?
	And I think it consisted of me putting on my MTV jacket and hair and going over and blowing someone who still remembered.
	And that's usually how we got out of these things.
	So we understand this business and it's not as cut and dry as you think it would be.
	And this is where everyone is missing what is really happening here.
	And there's no incentive for anyone to tell you exactly what's happening except for the guys who are no longer in the advertising business.
	That would be us.
	Now YouTube...
	They don't break it out per se, but I've looked at all the estimates.
	Approximately $8 billion a year in revenue comes in from YouTube.
	This is what we used to call in the business long-tail revenue.
	Long-tail revenue.
	And this is the only model that was working.
	This is not hits.
	The idea of having hits as in a hit podcast network, which, as you know, we proclaim that you cannot monetize the network, You cannot.
	The only way to do this is by running hundreds of millions of ads on cat videos, kids dancing, birthday parties, you know, that kind of stuff.
	That's YouTube's revenue.
	Eight billion dollars a year.
	Now, some say five, six.
	I'm just going to put it at eight.
	That sounds about right.
	That's a lot of money.
	And it's not coming from Crowder.
	It's not coming from Joe Rogan.
	It's pieces of that, sure.
	This is coming from huge, huge volume.
	The problem with huge volume is if you don't have artificial intelligence that can actually flag objectionable content that an advertiser would object to.
	We just gave you all these instances and examples.
	You have to employ people.
	We know that all these thousands of people are working on checking uploads, making sure all the videos are brand safe, and determining whether they should have advertising running against them or not, which has turned into this demonetizing term, which is completely disingenuous and not what's really happening.
	We talked about this on the last show.
	So...
	Bad PR is a problem, and it's a huge problem if it's systemic.
	Just reading from this article that came out today.
	Just so you know where the New York Times is coming from.
	The New York Times has an agenda in this, and it's not reporting.
	It is an agenda of grabbing the advertisers from YouTube as much as they can get.
	And everyone who reports on this controversy in the way that they have been as a left-right censorship, conservatism, bias, that's not the bottom line.
	Follow the money, $8 billion, and that's just YouTube.
	If alienation was one ingredient in Mr.
	Cain's radicalization, this is from the New York Times, and persuasive partisans like Mr.
	Molyneux were another, the third was a series of product decisions YouTube made starting back in 2012.
	This is the genesis of how we got here today.
	In March of 2012, YouTube's engineers made an update to the site's recommendations algorithm.
	For years, the algorithm had been programmed to maximize views by showing users videos that they were likely to click on.
	But creators had learned to game the system, inflating their views by posting videos with exaggerated titles or choosing salacious thumbnail images.
	In response, YouTube's executives announced that the recommendation algorithm would give more weight to watch time rather than views.
	That way, creators would be encouraged to make videos that users would finish, users would be more satisfied with, and YouTube would be able to show more ads.
	So this is what this story is about.
	A month after its algorithm tweak, YouTube changed its rules to allow all video creators to run ads alongside their videos and earn a portion of the revenue they generated.
	Previously, only popular channels that had been vetted by YouTube were able to run ads.
	Very key difference.
	They went away from the vetting to the unvetted.
	The new algorithm worked well, but it wasn't perfect.
	One problem, according to several of the current and former YouTube employees, is that the artificial intelligence tended to pigeonhole users into specific niches, recommending videos that were similar to ones they had already watched.
	Eventually users got bored.
	Google brain researchers, I guess that's a division, wondered if they could keep YouTube users engaged for longer by steering them into different parts of YouTube.
	And so this is where this article takes an interesting turn and starts to talk about reinforcement learning.
	This was their new algorithm, Reinforce.
	A huge success.
	I watched this talk at an AI conference in February.
	Min Min Chen, a Google brain researcher, said it was YouTube's most successful launch in two years.
	Site-wide views increased by nearly 1%, a gain that at YouTube's scale could amount to millions more hours of daily watch time and millions more dollars in advertising revenue per year.
	She added that the new algorithm was already starting to alter users' behavior.
	We can really lead users towards a different state versus recommending content that is familiar.
	So it was very popular.
	Lots of people watched, but they were going towards areas that this article says, claims, was all this bad shit.
	Bad people, alt-right, Nazis, KKK, quadroons.
	The whole thing is just bad.
	Why are they saying this?
	Because the advertisers have become very wary.
	YouTube and Google is in an incredibly precarious situation.
	And I shall explain.
	One month ago, the upfronts were held mainly in New York.
	John, do you want to explain the television upfront process?
	That's where the executives go up in front of all the advertisers and affiliates.
	Depending.
	It could be affiliates or advertisers or both.
	And they give them the spiel for their upcoming season and what they're going to do and where the strengths are going to be and where the weakness is going to be and what they're going to look for and to fill these advertising slots and how they're going to make so much money and beat the crap out of the other networks because they really got it figured out.
	I think something like that.
	So we have the exact, and I think it probably started with Yahoo years ago, Terry Semel, the Hollywood guy.
	They started doing their own content.
	We're going to be just like television.
	We're going to be better.
	Well, today that day is here.
	And YouTube is coming in as a television provider.
	And so this is just from one month ago.
	TV networks came out with a strong message as they courted advertisers at the annual Upfront presentations in New York this week.
	Digital may be hot and growing like crazy, but TV can provide a brand-safe space for ads as the tech world grapples with a series of privacy scandals and abuses of their platforms.
	And this, of course, is a CNBC article.
	These are all mainstream companies who want to fuck Google.
	For a number of reasons.
	The main one being...
	So, and Facebook.
	Well, it's all of Silicon Valley, but right now, we're just focusing on YouTube makes it easier.
	Companies including CBS, Disney, Fox, NBCUniversal, and WarnerMedia pitched advertisers on their programming and promise of their own upcoming streaming services just two weeks after many of the digital players like YouTube and Hulu courted the same advertisers at the newsfront's presentations.
	The networks position their own offerings as bigger and safer than the challenges.
	Are you starting to see what's happening?
	If you want to take these billions of dollars in advertisement away from your competitor, it behooves you to do news stories about controversies involving left-right, Trump, orange man bad, anything controversial.
	Anything.
	Advertisers will walk away from that.
	Particularly today's media buyers who are 20-somethings.
	They don't give a crap.
	They just don't want to get in trouble.
	They can probably get a couple of floor seats for a game if they take business from this particular advertiser.
	They're not going to put their ass on the line for some place where some guy is calling this guy a lispy queer.
	Yeah, it's all cool and YouTube left him on.
	Well, they took away his ads.
	But still, it could slip into something.
	Could it be some other person who's doing like that?
	I'm a little bit worried.
	A couple other articles.
	So the title of that was TV Networks Pitch Brand Safety Streaming to Advertisers at Upfronts.
	Here is the next article.
	And this was just one...
	And this is all...
	This is Reuters.
	And this is from...
	Yeah, May 13th.
	Three years ago, the beginning of the end of the U.S. television business looked certain when one of the largest ad-buying agencies vowed to move a big chunk of its purchases to YouTube from TV budgets.
	Let me repeat that.
	This is a Reuters article.
	It looks certain when one of the largest ad-buying agencies vowed to move a big chunk of its purchases to YouTube from TV budgets.
	The TV business did not die far from it.
	Instead, data compiled by ad tracking firm Media Radar Reuters' request showed some advertisers are spending more on television networks' online properties and less on Alphabet Inc.'s video service.
	The data partially explains why Google's parent had its slowest quarterly revenue growth in three years.
	Oops.
	No, I didn't mean to do that.
	I meant to hit the ding.
	When you're talking $8 billion just from YouTube alone, this gets people's attention.
	This week, the big US TV networks plan to drive the knife further into digital rivals, repeating the phrase brand safety and exploiting YouTube's struggle to curb unsuitable content during the upfront ad sales period when TV networks preview the fall season for advertisers.
	On stage and in private meetings, executives from Concast Corp., NBCUniversal, CBS Corp., Viacom say they are pitching themselves as one-stop shops because they have viewers on TV, their own streaming services, and their own streaming services.
	I think it's...
	I don't have to beat this horse anymore, that the mainstream outfits...
	Are creating as much panic and controversy and highlighting as many different controversies as possible to screw these guys into oblivion who have been eating their lunch?
	And is it a coincidence that these things happened a month ago and in the past month, this is where we've seen all the stepped up, deplatforming, demonetization?
	Which begs the question to me...
	What took them so long?
	They're idiots.
	They are idiots.
	They're stupid.
	And anybody who's worked in broadcasting, and you can...
	Anybody out there who's worked in broadcasting knows that you constantly talk about the management of radio station being the dumbest guys in the world and the management of television stations being the dumbest guys in the world.
	And then people go back from television to radio and back and forth.
	Well, you know, I think the radio guys are dumber than the TV guys.
	Oh, no, I think the TV guys are dumber.
	But there's a theme.
	There's a constant theme.
	They're all dumb.
	Yeah.
	And they're scared.
	And this is the...
	It's so...
	It's really disgusting that they are hiding their revenue quest...
	And actually propagating derisive behavior amongst the public by making it all seem that this is censorship, it's left-right, it's the Silicon Valley bias.
	You know what it is?
	It's the bias of advertising executives.
	It's the fear and bias of advertisers themselves.
	Because of controversy.
	It doesn't matter what the controversy is, but this is an easy one.
	All you have to do is, that guy's alright.
	Boom!
	Done!
	I don't want to advertise on him.
	You know why?
	Because one little thing could happen.
	We've shown you examples of what can happen.
	Alex Jones.
	This has been going on for a long time and they're disingenuous and everyone, including Glenn Greenwald, is buying into that they're sitting there making decisions.
	Oh, let's get rid of this Crowder guy because he's alt-right.
	First of all, they didn't get rid of him.
	They demonetized him, which means, you know what?
	We like the million views you get, so we don't want any ads running on it, but we like that our algorithms can make people click on stuff where we do have ads running.
	And that's how lame it really is that they can't even admit to that.
	But they don't give a shit.
	They'll take anybody off in a heartbeat.
	$8 billion in revenue doesn't come from a couple of big hits.
	It doesn't work that way.
	And...
	My you cannot monetize the network is going to come true because you cannot monetize the long tail either.
	It's turning out because you can't police the content.
	And Google, and I mean right now you see Twitter.
	Twitter, it has turned on some algorithmic deletion tools, and you can't have a conversation on Twitter anymore.
	You'll go to someone, and you've seen this in your timeline, John.
	There's like someone tweets something, you go into the thread, and it's like deleted, deleted, not available, not available, and these have all been removed.
	So they've broken their actual service.
	You cannot read a thread anymore because it has to be removed for advertiser safety.
	Well, I'm going to make a prediction.
	Not about what you were going to say, which is pretty much what I thought you were going to say.
	I knew you knew what I was going to do, of course.
	First of all, and I wrote about this in PC Magazine Online probably a year ago.
	Facebook, and I'm throwing them in, Twitter, YouTube, everybody.
	All those guys.
	All the social networks.
	With maybe the exception of LinkedIn, but even though they're kind of falling into it too with their little articles and crap that they publish there for free.
	These people are not just, they're not an open sewer.
	Well, they are an open sewer, but that's not what I'm referring to.
	They are Technically, publishers.
	In every way, I see no reason to think otherwise.
	And they do editing, and they kick people off, and they reject certain things, and it's all part of the publishing game.
	That's what you do when you're a publisher.
	They don't want to take full responsibility, because there are some legal limits to what you can do and not do, and you can get sued in certain ways, especially when you have the big, deep pockets of these monstrous companies that they do.
	I mean, Google, Alphabet, that's why I think they've been trying to divvy the company up in different ways so they can have a Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But at the point where they have to finally bite the bullet and say, okay, we're publishers, they are going to take these people that made lots of money on YouTube.
	Like there are people who have made a million dollars a year.
	Sure.
	Even though it's possible, a lot of it is fraud, and there's been articles about that.
	And by the way, to piggyback on what you just discussed, if you go back to last year, the 2018, late in the year starting probably in October, there were a lot of New York Times articles.
	And you can look them up.
	In fact, you can go do a search on fake YouTube views.
	Yes.
	And you'll find that there was article after article starting – actually, it even started in 2015 according to this little list I have here where they've named names saying these are fake views.
	And I've known about this and you've known about it.
	And they still rack them up.
	And this was supposed to be the scandal that was going to pull the rug out from under the YouTubers and everyone else that had advertising support.
	The advertisers are another group that's kind of stupid and they pay no attention to these articles and that's when the The worm turned and they had to take this other tact, which is the article that you're talking about.
	And that seems to be working.
	In other words, screwing the YouTubers and these other people on behalf of the old line publishers.
	The idea that it's all fraud didn't work.
	So now we've got this other censorship thing going on that seems to be working.
	In fact, there was...
	I just want to discuss Section 230 for a moment, because this is what indemnifies these companies from being sued under tort law, libel, etc.
	There was an interesting article about Google, and they were arguing in court.
	Let me see if I can find this here.
	About whether they had the right to do this or not.
	And they actually, they will, here we go.
	The Internet Association, which represents Facebook, Google, Twitter, and other major platforms, claims that Section 230 is necessary for these firms to, quote, provide forums and tools for the public to engage in a wide variety of activities that the First Amendment protects.
	But rather than facilitate free speech, Silicon Valley now uses Section 230 to justify censorship, leading to a legal policy, muddle, For instance, in response to a lawsuit challenging its speech policies, Google claimed that restricting its right to censor would, quote, impose liability on YouTube as a publisher.
	In the same motion, Google argues that its right to restrict political content also derives from its First Amendment protection for a publisher's editorial judgments.
	So, on one hand, they say we're not a publisher.
	On the other hand, they say we need to have the rights of publishers.
	And I went back to look at Section 230, and I've always thought that it was kind of the distinction between publisher or platform.
	It's not.
	This thing was written in 1996, pastoring Bill Clinton's reign, and you need two definitions.
	One, what is an interactive computer service, which means any information service system or access software provider that provides or enables computer access by multiple users to a computer server.
	Specifically, including a service or system that provides access to the Internet and such systems operated or services offered by libraries or educational institutions, which is just a comparison, not a requirement.
	And then the information content provider definition means any person or entity that is responsible in whole or in part for the creation or development of information provided through the Internet or interactive computer service.
	And here is the main part of the law.
	That no provider or user, important, of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.
	Meaning YouTube, Google, anyone where you post your stuff, what we used to call user-generated, that's your problem right off the bat, no matter what it is, cannot be held liable.
	Yeah.
	On the account...
	No, here we go.
	No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on the account of two cases.
	Any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable. excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable.
	Whether or not such material is constitutionally protected or cannot be held liable by any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers or others technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph one.
	So it doesn't matter what they are.
	It doesn't matter.
	They have the right to cut, to restrict, to do whatever they want.
	And so do you, apparently, because it's user and provider.
	So there's no way that publisher or anything else comes into play here.
	Yet.
	Unless they are authoring the content.
	Now, you can argue that an algorithm writes...
	Or restructures?
	Actually, no one's made that argument, but it's an interesting one.
	I think I could make the argument.
	Yeah, I think that you mentioned it.
	It's not a bad argument to make.
	They have algorithms doing anything.
	They are then authoring.
	I believe that to be true.
	If you have an algorithm that can drive a car, it can probably write an article.
	Of course, we know neither one works.
	The point is that these guys are publishers, and someday this will be recognized in law.
	Yes.
	And they will, and the prediction I was going to make is that at some point they're going to get a clue and realize that as publishers, which they really are anyway, that they don't have to do this piece of the action business with these people that are getting a million dollars a year.
	At all!
	They can just say, hey, we'll give you $50,000, just keep doing what you're doing.
	Yep.
	No ads.
	Just do whatever you're doing so we can have people click other places for ads.
	But I think that's pretty limited because, again, it is the controversy that sets advertisers off, and it's being exploited by the mainstream who are trying to get those advertisers.
	And finally got a clue.
	Forever the mainstream is the one promoting these things.
	Why are you guys promoting this?
	I used to do this in a magazine.
	PC Magazine would continually, without any advertisers even taking part, because Microsoft never advertised, they kept promoting Microsoft products.
	And I said, why aren't we promoting all the competitors to Microsoft?
	Right.
	Because that will keep us in business in the future because you'll have a lot of different people that can advertise.
	It'll be a richer environment.
	No, no.
	You know, Microsoft makes a pretty good...
	So Word got more promotion.
	You know, at one time there was like maybe six or seven good Word processors out there.
	They all boil down to words.
	There's nothing out there now that's really competitive.
	Remember Jazz?
	The Lotus Jazz?
	Sweet.
	Lotus Jazz?
	Lotus Jazz.
	Could never quite get it to boot right from the floppy.
	I think I still have a copy.
	So the part that I take offense to is the mainstream who are disingenuously highlighting divisive arguments for their own benefit to scare advertisers away from doing business with Silicon Valley.
	I think they're doing a lot of damage to public discourse and In the process of that.
	And I think that's egregious to me, and so I'd like to suggest a way to break them.
	I've always been a radical.
	Because there's an inherent flaw.
	They have a flaw.
	All of these companies have a flaw that can be exploited and will bring them to their knees.
	Interested?
	I am, but first I want to kind of re-up or kind of back you up with this look at this front page of the New York Times and just tell you what the headlines are.
	How can AI be weaponized to spread disinformation?
	Part of the same thing.
	This article shows up right under the making of a YouTube radical, which is what you were talking about, which also had a kind of an overhead.
	It had like a section named Extremism Online.
	Perfect.
	Perfect.
	And then another one, the editorial board is writing an editor.
	Why is America so far behind Europe on digital privacy?
	Yep, yep, yep, yep.
	So the whole thing is like targeting the tech community.
	So, what's your thesis?
	Every company, Facebook, well, the ones that matter, Facebook, Twitter, Google, or YouTube in this case, and Google has a pretty damn good business with search.
	They are now, they've been put on notice.
	They now have to make sure that everything that's uploaded that could possibly have ads.
	In fact, they're not even doing it.
	They're just saying ad yes or no.
	That's probably what they're looking at at this point.
	When you report something on Google, Facebook, or Twitter, if you report it with hate speech, which cannot be evaluated by artificial intelligence and is not being evaluated by artificial intelligence from all reports I've read, that has to go to human being.
	Report everything as hate speech.
	Every video, every tweet.
	We need scripts.
	We need browser extensions.
	Everything needs to be reported as hate speech.
	It will bring these companies down.
	They will not be able to handle the volume.
	It will create backlogs.
	It will create anger.
	It will create people not understanding.
	It will bring them down.
	Now, of course, that means we get mainstream companies.
	It'll definitely not understand it because if your alert comes to your desk and you get to look at it and say, And somebody says hate speech, you'd have to watch the whole thing.
	They gotta watch the whole thing.
	And then you'd have to try to say, what?
	Where's the hate speech?
	So you'd probably have to watch it again.
	Yeah, you could really screw up the system.
	No, no, not could.
	It has to happen.
	It is the, look, Professor Ted calls you.
	He calls on you to stop the tech revolution.
	Slow it down.
	If it wasn't for it being very divisive in culture and people getting very angry at each other and fueled by this fight for their dollars, I wouldn't care that much.
	But now we've got to kill them.
	We've got to kill them all.
	Everything you see.
	Even from me.
	You see a tweet from me, a video?
	Report it.
	Hate speech.
	Everything.
	That's the way.
	And it'll get bogged down.
	They will freak out.
	They won't know what to do.
	Take the speech.
	Take the speech.
	Yeah.
	Well, I know the only time you get attention from the Twitter when you report is if you put abusive against a group.
	I mean, there's certain kinds of things.
	Let me...
	In fact, we probably exercise...
	The system right now and look at Twitter and report something, for example.
	I'll just boot it up, which I can do now.
	And I will look at...
	Let's just take any old random thing here.
	Here's something from Sputnik.
	They don't like them.
	So I'm going to go click and I'm just going to go report tweet.
	And now it's going to say, I'm not interested in this tweet, which isn't going to mean anything.
	It's suspicious or spam.
	It displays a sensitive image.
	It's abusive or harmful.
	You probably have to click on it's abusive.
	And then when you do that, it goes to it's disrespectful, that no big deal, contains private information, includes targeted harassment, directs, and this is a big one.
	Directs hate.
	That's what you're talking about.
	Against a protected category.
	That's what you'd click on.
	I think if you also clicked on threatening violence or physical harm, that would probably help a little bit.
	You have to be careful.
	You're going to eventually get kicked off by doing this too much.
	Because, you know, if you report fraudulently...
	I'd do it quite a bit.
	Yeah, but not fraudulently.
	No, no.
	Mine are all legit, of course.
	Obviously.
	But hate speech, yeah, it's like, that's pretty open for interpretation.
	Yeah.
	You could do it a few times.
	Everyone can do it a few times without getting kicked off.
	Keep them busy.
	They'll hold the tape of the show and they'll kick you off.
	I'm pretty protected.
	I've got the check mark.
	You've got the mark of the beast is what you've got.
	You are anything but protected.
	They've been waiting to kick your ass off for a long time.
	One misstep, Dvorak, we're unverifying you.
	It's like taking away your personality.
	I've never seen him.
	I don't know who's ever been unverified.
	Verification is not like a nighting.
	It has happened.
	Yes, it has happened to people that their checkmark got taken away.
	What is the point?
	The verification is there for a purpose.
	It's to mean that the person that says who they say they are are who they are.
	They unverified Milo Yiannopoulos before they kicked him off.
	Which was funny.
	We laughed about it.
	I don't remember them unverifying him.
	Yes, they unverified him.
	Well, that makes zero sense.
	In fact, if he's not verified, then maybe it's not Milo, and why would they kick him off?
	They're kicking off some random guy.
	It doesn't make sense.
	I'm not going to rehash that.
	Of course it doesn't make sense.
	They're violating their own terms of service.
	Report them for hate speech, Dvorak.
	They should shut down.
	Before we go to our break, since we took a little time on that, there's some new information that I'd like to report regarding the Boeing 737 MAX 8.
	These problems with MCAS software, we've kind of been through this, how they...
	They changed the aircraft, didn't make the changes clear to pilots, didn't really document them the way they could have been, and then with one faulty sensor, all kinds of things went haywire and 346 people died in two of these aircraft.
	Now, when Obama was president, The FAA certification system, the ODA, Organization Designation Authorization Program, was being pushed very hard by the administration to fast-track sales of Boeing and to push the pipeline as fast as possible.
	Under the program, companies like Boeing were able to appoint their own representatives to act instead of the FAA inspectors.
	I don't know if we talked about it to that degree at the time this was taking place.
	Not at the time it took place.
	We've talked about it since a little bit.
	I mean, it's a big complaint that everyone's pointing the finger at Boeing inspectors.
	Well, in fact, this put Boeing themselves in charge of certifying their software.
	Right.
	And I want to play a quick clip here from Obama as he was, I think...
	Well, it's not really important exactly what he was signing.
	It's what he says.
	I want to make a special note to some of the small businesses that have been represented here, because what we've seen is that when small and medium-sized businesses can cut through the red tape and understand how to export, actually they can compete pretty well.
	And that's an area where we can make significant progress.
	Obviously, big companies like Xerox or Boeing, we want to keep on growing them, because small businesses are up and down the supply chain.
	And when we sell a bunch of airplanes, a lot of small businesses and medium-sized businesses are benefiting from that as well.
	But I am very enthusiastic about this.
	I think Jim at least will confirm that I'm happy to go out and make sales.
	I'm expecting a gold watch from Boeing at the end of my presidency because I know that I'm on the list of top salesmen at Boeing.
	And indeed, Boeing donated $10 million to the Obama Presidential Library in Chicago.
	But who cares?
	People dead doesn't matter.
	Thanks for the gold watch, everybody.
	That's a pretty expensive gold watch.
	Yeah.
	He just said it.
	Can you imagine if any other president had said that?
	I want a gold watch.
	I'm the best Boeing salesman.
	I think Trump says he's the best Boeing salesman often, but he's never asked for a gold watch.
	And people died because of the administration's policies of having, it's just like the FDA, having the companies themselves police themselves.
	What the hell are we paying you, Jim Oaks, for?
	Yeah, what's the point?
	It's called collusion.
	Collusion, I tell you.
	Any collusion?
	And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage to say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in commercial deplatforming, John C. Dvorak!
	In the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	In the morning to all ships and sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	In the morning to the trolls in the troll room!
	NoagendaStream.com is where you can always participate in the conversation that goes on there, and you can listen to the stream.
	There's always something interesting on the stream.
	Last night...
	What do you have, Nick?
	Last night?
	I don't think we had Nick.
	I think he's still in Ireland.
	This morning, before the show started, Darren O. I think there's great music.
	There's pod safe music.
	There's talk to walk...
	And there's trolling going on.
	NoagendaStream.com.
	Also, in the morning, to Darren O'Neill.
	There's his name.
	Twice in one show.
	He brought us the artwork for episode 1144.
	The title of that, that was Thursday's show, was Climate Optimist.
	And it was, you know, we went for the cheap laughs.
	Homeless hookers was the artwork.
	It was just good.
	Cheap laughs, especially if it's done artistically, is always a winner.
	There was something else we were going to mention about the artwork.
	Was there something else we were going to say?
	Well, we were going to talk about...
	Yes, we were going to say something.
	Do you remember what?
	I don't remember what it was.
	We talk about these things after the show and the post-mortem, and then we never talk about them afterwards.
	But let me take a look at the list here of the stuff that's going out.
	There's the jockstrap that was kind of funny.
	Oh yeah, we did like the...
	Oh, the Mike Reilly?
	It was the deflated Mike Reilly piece, Scissored.
	And the problem with that, it was just...
	It didn't have enough other elements.
	It's a good piece.
	I don't know.
	We didn't have any...
	I don't think we had anything specific to say.
	Okay.
	No, I just had a note here.
	Remember to talk about it, and I guess I didn't fill out the rest.
	Well, obviously, the note has to be more specific.
	Should work on that.
	I got a note here that says, let's talk about this.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, it's not going to help.
	All right.
	We do have some people to thank.
	We do have some people to thank.
	Let's start with them.
	We have a top-heavy day today.
	We didn't get a lot of donations, but they all came in at the top, so...
	You'll see it in the second half.
	We only have 35 people that donated out of 2018, 20,000.
	20,000.
	Thanks.
	Yeah.
	But we had some big ones like Lisa Donner came up with $1,000.
	And she says, you guys are the best.
	Top of the heap in my book.
	Wish I could listen more often.
	Play me something funny and keep up the great work.
	You guys rock, Lisa.
	So this is an Instadaming?
	He never says that.
	And I'll tell you why.
	First of all, I know who this is, because I only met her just yesterday.
	Where'd you meet her?
	Where'd you meet her?
	I met her online.
	Oh, well, that's not...
	Yes, yes, because she is the executive managing editor.
	She is the number two head honcho at Liberty Nation.
	Oh!
	And she tweeted, she said, this was a poll that we took, so we didn't create it like, you know, PC Magazine would create those bullcrap polls.
	You know, it was something where they'd just make it up.
	It's not PC Magazine.
	It's 99% of all publications.
	The editors, I've said this before, the editors sit around, usually at lunch, they get a luncheon, and they discuss who should be on the top ten.
	Right, right.
	Exactly.
	And there's always one joker that always wants to put some joke person in there.
	Yeah, of course.
	Of course.
	I did it.
	I've done it.
	That's what you do.
	So she said, no, this was a poll, and she's a big fan.
	Lisa K. Donner.
	And she said, I voted number one, and I guess her photo editor, she voted us as number one.
	The people at Liberty Nation listen to us.
	There you go.
	That's what's going on.
	It's unnecessary, but, well, for the show, it's very necessary.
	Miss Lisa Donner.
	Thank you very much.
	I'd like to dame her, but I don't know.
	Shall we just wait and see if she comes back with a name?
	Yeah, we'll wait because she may have some suggestions.
	It's not going to be a black knighting because she...
	No, no, no.
	It wouldn't be a black knighting, but it's a very, very, very nice show of support, Lisa.
	Yeah, especially since we already got number three.
	And she does ask for something funny.
	Keep up the great work.
	You guys rock.
	Thank you very much.
	I picked something funny for you.
	I'm also going to give you some karma.
	Because you deserve it.
	A, B, C. Is this race?
	This is one, two, three.
	What's the premise?
	This is do-re-me.
	A, B, C. One, two, three.
	Baby, you're my seat.
	ABC, it's as racist as one, two, three.
	What's the premises door, A, B, A, B, C, one, two, three.
	Baby, you're not a city.
	You've got karma.
	Fitting.
	ABC, easy as one, two, three.
	Racist as could be.
	We are now alt-right, everybody.
	Actually, if you look at their mission statement, they are not an alt-right or necessarily conservative publication.
	They claim to have...
	They're libertarian.
	Libertarian, correct.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Kind of, you know, there's so many different schools of libertarian.
	Yeah, who knows?
	That I myself, who used to call myself a libertarian, especially in the early days of the show, stopped.
	Yeah, because it fits in anywhere now.
	When people started saying to me, you're probably a libertarian, that's when I was like, no.
	No.
	That's when I stopped.
	They're like, no.
	Just the way you said that?
	I don't want to be whatever you had on your mind.
	Yeah.
	I said, I'm nothing.
	I am technically, because there's a fourth category in California.
	You can be a libertarian.
	You can be subscribing to any of these Peace and Freedom Party, Republican, Democrat, or Independent.
	When you get a ballot, the independents have their ballot.
	But there's the real category you want to be in, unaffiliated.
	Yes.
	And so you go into the voting booth and say, oh, you're unaffiliated.
	Which ballot would you like?
	Yes.
	I'm unambiguous.
	Yeah.
	Unambiguous.
	Michael Muggler comes in second place.
	Oh, yeah.
	He's out of Fort Knox, Tennessee.
	You got a note from him?
	$635.
	Yeah, he sent a check-in.
	Mm-hmm.
	And he says, please de-douche me.
	This is a long overdue donation.
	You've been de-douched.
	I'm calling this the F-35 donation.
	$635.
	Hmm.
	F-35, the fighter jet.
	If the Red Book is still a thing, I would like...
	It's kind of a show thing, but it's not...
	We probably should have a wiki page with people just putting their own predictions in.
	I would like to add the following.
	July 2019 is the release of Top Gun 2.
	Seeing that Tom Cruise has gone from being an American action hero to that of a global one, I predict the following.
	Tom Cruise.
	I'm going to encourage people to...
	Send their predictions in with large donations.
	Tom Cruise will be the poster child for global sales for the F-35.
	Why else do we need another Top Gun movie?
	I can think of no other global actor better positioned to generate worldwide sales.
	I'm on board with that.
	I like the positioning.
	Yeah, I like it.
	I like it a lot.
	My other request is of a personal one.
	I was medically retired from the Army back in 2013.
	Last fall, I received a 100% permanent disability – permanent and total disability rating from the VA.
	I was keeping my fingers crossed for 50%.
	In light of this, may I convert my title to – he's a sir, by the way.
	So Sir Michael.
	Yeah, Sir Michael Muggler.
	I remember he's been donated quite a bit until lately.
	I want to convert my title to Sir Anthrax Failed Vaccine Tester.
	So we have to assume...
	Yeah, well, if you get a full medical discharge, you have to assume that, considering the military shoots those guys up with everything...
	And we have to assume he was a failed vaccine tester and he's got some ailment.
	He's got anthrax.
	As I start this new chapter in my life, I'm glad to have you guys and this show to keep me grounded.
	Karma, please, to support my July court date with Social Security to receive disability.
	Jungle request.
	Fear is freedom.
	Jungle.
	I said jungle.
	I'm a jingle.
	Fear is freedom.
	Thanks again for all the years of deconstruction and helping me deal with my changes in personality and loss of short-term memory.
	What?
	Michael.
	Holy crap.
	Sir Anthrax failed vaccine tester, thank you so much.
	Fear is freedom.
	Subjugation is liberation!
	Contradiction is truth!
	Those are the facts of this world!
	And you will all surrender to them!
	You piss in his body!
	He's got karma.
	It's kind of like, wow, man.
	I know that because we get lots of emails from servicemen and women who say, oh yeah, they shoot us up with vaccines and then they have to come back two months later and say they couldn't find the paperwork that they had just shot me up with some vaccines.
	They have to do them all over again.
	When you're in the armed forces in these United States of Gilmore Nation, you are often a guinea pig.
	Which is really not a good thing.
	It's not a good thing.
	Thank you for your courage.
	Check and make sure.
	Well, he's not on the upgrade list, so you're going to have to put him on manually.
	Oh, you mean the title change list?
	Yeah.
	Of course.
	Of course.
	He was just Sir Mike, wasn't he, as far as I know?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Sir Mike Muggler?
	It may have been something else, but it's fine.
	He's going to be changed anyway.
	Isabel Pearson, $555.55, ITM Gents.
	This donation is particularly important as according to my subscription, it will take me over the all-important amount.
	Also, just ahead of the London meetup, which I'll be attending.
	Oh, how nice!
	Yeah, it's going to be at the Victorian pub over there by Paddington.
	This is where we had our other meetup.
	Yes, we decided to go for a sure thing.
	So we'll probably just do them there forever.
	Yeah, why not?
	And Wednesday is going to be better than our night.
	We did a Friday or Saturday night.
	It was packed.
	I've actually tried PayPal, notwithstanding to donate consistently for as long as I can remember.
	Never totting up this amount as I felt it was value for value and having a title wasn't so important.
	My regular payments aren't linked to my subscriber amount, but I'm going to make this one count.
	Claiming a title again is so appealing since I was denied listening to the show for a few months whilst in hospital.
	Is she in the United States?
	No, she's British.
	She gets a pass on this language.
	Oh, that's right.
	She's going to go to the meetup.
	Okay, yeah.
	Whilst in hospital.
	I think you should say whilst.
	Was that the first hospital visit since you left university?
	Thankfully making a good recovery.
	How time flies as you two actually discussed me on show 317 for a humbling couple of minutes.
	Oh!
	Yes, quarter drop-in.
	I remember.
	Sure.
	As I pointed out that I'd listened to you since the first show, you then felt that there were fewer female supporters.
	However, I was so proud that in your own words, you stated that I had been found and identified the female listener.
	The first female listener, in fact.
	Anyway, roll on Wednesday when I'll meet Tina and Adam.
	Isabel.
	And she's going to be Dame Isabel Pearson.
	Eric the Shill did put Lisa Donner on as a dame.
	I just feel that, I don't know, we'll wait for her, but Isabel is going to be a dame.
	She had no specific name, so perfect.
	And look forward to meeting you in person on Wednesday.
	Wow, that's 11 years?
	She's been listed except for a few months when she was in hospital and out of commission?
	That's great.
	Yeah, it's going to be great.
	I think it's going to be a good meet-up.
	Let me give you some karma here.
	Thank you very much, Isabel.
	See you.
	You've got karma.
	At the round table later and in London at the meet-up on Wednesday.
	Excellent.
	Well, maybe Eric got a note or something as possible from Lisa.
	What does he have her being a dame?
	Dame Lisa.
	Why don't we just do that?
	Yeah, I trust him.
	And then if she wants to change her title, we can do that.
	We can always change it.
	Okay, so we'll just do Dame Lisa Donner and Dame Isabel Pearson.
	Okay, good.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Nobody has to get fancy.
	But this is a funny show.
	But I like getting fancy.
	Justin Bissette.
	In Watatawosa, Wisconsin.
	Now, somebody sent us a pronunciation gazetteer on how to pronounce all these funny names, which are all apparently Old French.
	Yeah.
	Was this name in there?
	I don't have...
	I meant to print it out and stick it up in the wall.
	It should be.
	It should be.
	I don't recall.
	Watatosa.
	Watatosa.
	I don't know.
	We'll...
	Birthday donation.
	Hello, John and Adam from Wauwatosa.
	Last year, my wife, Tiffany Field, you know, when we first started doing this show in the first, maybe the third season, I got a note for somebody, so you really do a wonderful job of pronouncing Wisconsin names because they're all crazy.
	And now I'm condemned for being the worst at it.
	I don't think condemned is right.
	People just want to help you.
	Last year, my wife Tiffany Fielder donated for her birthday, June 8th, and asked for some health karma.
	The health karma was for her brain surgery to deal with trigeminal neuralgia, I think.
	That's the way you pronounce it.
	If you happen to recall, this is the disease that is nicknamed the suicide disease and causes pain to the face like a taser.
	Yes, I remember this.
	Yeah, I vaguely remember it.
	It sounds horrid.
	I'll bet you she remembered.
	Well, it sounds like, what is that thing you get from when you had chicken pox and later in life you get something else?
	Scales?
	No, what's it called?
	Scales.
	You get gills.
	Somebody in the chat room knows what I'm talking about.
	Yeah, it's around your, it's shingles.
	Shingles and you get horrible pains.
	Scales, gills, shingles.
	I knew we'd get there.
	Well, I'm very happy.
	He continues.
	Well, I'm very happy to report that yet again, no agenda karma works.
	She's been pain-free for a year and has been kicking ass at recovery.
	On top of the health karma, there must have been some jobs karma too because she now has a job she loves.
	So here's the happy birthday to my smoking hot wife.
	Can you play Absolutely.
	Justin, we could not be happier.
	This is a very good note.
	And, of course, Tiffany's on the list, so we'll be congratulating her later.
	and I even pulled up a fresh Sharpton ditty to play for you.
	Could this ultimately end up backfiring on the Republicans?
	Are they overjumping the runway here?
	Couldn't help myself.
	Oh.
	Bye.
	Roll up, roll up for the magical shapeshifting Jews.
	Step right this way.
	Roll up, roll up for the shapeshifting Jews.
	Roll up, the magical shapeshifting Jews.
	Roll up, a little illustration of the magical shapeshifting Jews.
	You thought.
	Karma.
	Karma.
	There you go.
	That's a good catch by someone.
	What?
	The Sharpton clip.
	You're not watching the show.
	No, no, that's an old one.
	It's an oldie but a goodie.
	It's an old one.
	Yeah, I pulled it from the archives.
	Oh, I don't remember it.
	Well, anyway, that's it.
	We don't have any associate executive producers for show 1145.
	That's something that hasn't happened often.
	No, usually the other way around.
	That's very odd.
	Well, the way we run this show is we like to thank as many people as possible for their support of the program.
	It's how the value for value system works.
	Some people get value out of hearing their name and having their note read.
	Most get the value out of what they get from the program and then telling us about it.
	People want jobs karma, health karma.
	It's all pieces of the network that you came up with.
	We didn't.
	And we always like to thank, in fact, very much like Hollywood, our executive producers and associate executive producers up front.
	It's odd, though, that we didn't have any associates.
	So it's $300 and above for executive, $200 and above for associate executive.
	And we, of course, thank everyone over $50 in our second segment.
	I was thinking of something, an idea, John, just an idea.
	We're not taking some of the mainstream ideas, such as executive producers put money into the project.
	That's exactly what they do.
	So it's a valid, it's a valuable title, and it works anywhere titles are accepted.
	I have not been able to come up with a name for the studio yet.
	And every show, I'll get notes after the show.
	I really miss you saying, you know, in the 5x9 Cludio.
	Well, I can't say that because I'm not in the Cludio anymore.
	I was thinking, if we just follow along with Some of the mainstream things that we do like to emulate, such as knighthoods.
	That's very mainstream.
	It's been around for a couple thousand years.
	Before you go on, how about putting a little sign outside the doors and calling it the Tisch Studios?
	Well, you almost have what I was thinking, studio naming rights.
	We've got the Nokia Theater.
	Everything has a name.
	This is a great idea.
	This, by the way, wasn't a network TV idea.
	This came from one of the first places that this evolved from was the San Francisco Giants Candlestick Park.
	Which was, you know, it was named, I forgot what the first name was now, but it became Monster Field and all these different things.
	And it went from like, I'll give you $50,000 if you call your stadium.
	Okay, we'll take it.
	And then they realized that, wait a minute.
	And so they upped it to half a million.
	Now I think it's millions of dollars for naming rights in anybody.
	I'm not quite sure what the parameters are, but I would love to see the Nussbaum studio.
	It could be anything like that.
	It's something we need to work on, but it just came to me this morning like, I want to be able to call the studio something, but why don't we just do naming rights?
	And they could be limited, they could be naming rights for one show, one week, one month, I don't know.
	It's just something to think about.
	Let's mull it over.
	Let's mull it over in the next meeting.
	Okay.
	Is the meeting over?
	That's how our meetings go.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	I would like to read a note before we continue.
	Sure.
	This is one of our knights.
	It's going to be knighted today.
	Sir White Noise.
	Todd Moore's note.
	I just thought it was an interesting note.
	I came through and I said, oh, that's kind of funny.
	Okay.
	Because one of those insightful notes from a guy who doesn't care that he likes to reveal that he started at the CIA. Yeah.
	He's no big answer.
	My career started at the CIA while in college as a dude named Ben.
	I eventually worked for director John Deuth or Deuth.
	I don't know.
	George Tenet.
	We know him.
	Oh, he's so...
	Wait a minute.
	So this goes back a while.
	Yeah, it does.
	One time my boss told me to swap out the green phone at an office located in the basement of headquarters.
	Let me just say, hold on.
	If my boss told me, go swap out the green phone in the basement, I'd be thinking they were going to whack me.
	I wouldn't want to go down in the basement.
	The one where Pesci goes in because he's going to get promoted.
	Casino.
	Yeah, it sounds like it.
	A mafia hit.
	One time my boss told me to swap out the green phone at an office located in the basement of headquarters.
	This is an odd request because all the offices I supported were at the top floors of HQ. I'm assuming this is Langley.
	After navigating my way through a maze of narrow hallways, I finally arrived at the office and walked in.
	This actually is a movie scene.
	It was a small dark room that had outdated furniture from the 50s.
	Everything was old, including the man behind the desk who was smoking a fucking cigar like a boss.
	Headquarters has a smoke-free facility, but this dude was just puffing away while his secretary, who was just as old, was typing something out of her ancient typewriter.
	I felt like I teleported back in time.
	The old man, in what was probably an effort to brag about his former glory, asked, quote, do you see those boxes?
	He pointed over to boxes with labels.
	JFK, Iran-Contra, and Roswell.
	What?
	Yes, Adam, Roswell.
	You get so many security briefings drilled into your head about the need-to-know policy that even though I wanted to know, I didn't need to know, so I didn't ask any questions.
	I have no idea who he was, but it was my most bizarre experience there.
	I would greatly appreciate a mention for my latest app, Playapod.
	Playapod?
	Is it like I'm a playa or playa?
	Playapod?
	P-L-A-Y-A. Because I got your Playapod right here.
	Like the playa.
	Yeah, I got your Playapod.
	Which is the best way to listen to the best podcasts in the universe.
	No agenda has been featured in Playapod since its inception.
	I'll eventually adopt your value for value model.
	But for now, it's a non-money-making passion project.
	Ah.
	You and Adam make an awesome team and I really enjoy the M5M beatings you regularly give.
	Thanks for keeping us all sane and please send me some mobile app karma.
	Hey, I'll check that out.
	And it says, specifically, you have my permission to read my name and letter on the show, Todd Moore.
	All right, Todd.
	Well, thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Great story.
	I'd love to know more about this room.
	Yeah, the room with the Roswell box.
	With the Roswell box.
	And play a pod.
	Yeah, I'll check it out.
	I'll tweet out a link to it later on.
	Very cool.
	And thank you.
	And here is some Playapod app karma for you.
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	And he was on the 20-month layaway plan.
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	Well, we've gone quite a while here, and I don't believe we played a clip.
	Well, we've played a few clips, but we have been chatting a bit, yes.
	I have a final entremant.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	When we do this, I have to say, your aircraft, and then you say, my aircraft.
	So that I know that you have control.
	So it's your aircraft.
	Okay, it's my aircraft.
	You're good to go.
	Here's an old Bob Hope movie clip.
	I think this is from the 40s, maybe the 50s, but it just shows you that things do not change the way people like to imagine that they do.
	You live here?
	Yes.
	Well, maybe you know what a zombie is.
	When a person dies and is buried, it seems there are certain voodoo priests who have the power to bring him back to life.
	How horrible.
	It's worse than horrible because a zombie has no will of his own.
	You see them sometimes walking around blindly with dead eyes, following orders, not knowing what they do, not caring.
	You mean like Democrats?
	I've seen this one.
	Yeah.
	I guess the bashing has been going on for a while.
	What year was that?
	I don't know.
	I'm guessing the late 40s or maybe the 50s.
	It's a classic.
	It's a classic.
	Very nice.
	It's a classic.
	Hey, I think I'm right.
	About the 2024 moon shot?
	It seems like that's bullcrap.
	Like it's not going to happen.
	Well, Trump's already put the kibosh on it, hasn't he?
	Yeah, he's saying like, no, no, no, let's not waste any time on the moon.
	To the Mars!
	To Mars we must go!
	Oh, please!
	So here's how it happens.
	Someone goes, Mr.
	President, about the moon thing, yeah, this is problematic.
	Why don't you say Mars pushed out a little bit?
	That'd be better for us.
	It could be.
	Mr.
	President, I have a couple clips here for you, Mr.
	President.
	This is Don Petit, former NASA astronaut.
	He has something to say.
	I'd go to the moon in a nanosecond.
	The problem is we don't have the technology to do that anymore.
	We used to, but we destroyed that technology, and it's a painful process to build it back again.
	Yeah, Mr.
	President, I don't think we should probably talk about something else about the moon, because I don't think we can do it.
	Here's Gene Kranz, the Apollo 11 NASA flight director.
	I haven't seen anything that indicates the telemetry data is even in existence, and as I said, even if we had it, we don't have the machines to play it back.
	But your own research has shown the telemetry data is missing.
	That's right.
	Oh, the telemetry data of all the moon is missing.
	We don't even have a machine to play it.
	Mr.
	President, here's something from David Williams.
	Dr.
	Williams is the archivist, also known as hoarder, at NASA Goddard Space Center.
	Surely he would know where all the tapes and the telemetry is.
	This film you're making now, what is it?
	I mean, do you have a name for it yet?
	Did we go?
	Did we go, okay.
	Doesn't have it either.
	Right.
	We've been unable to track it down.
	I mean, we don't know where this telemetry data ended up, and we don't know what path it may have taken.
	So, unfortunately, I'm afraid I can't really give you much of a clue as to where this data ended up and whether it still exists or not.
	It's on the cutting room floor with the rest of all the movie theater crap.
	Ye of little faith.
	Yeah, I have very little faith.
	Very little faith.
	What I do see is I see Bezos showing his landing module, and he shows it in a beautiful CGI animated thing that looks pretty real.
	So at least they're getting that part right.
	Well, they do have a fallback thing they're going to do to get your attention.
	Oh?
	Yeah.
	And that's this clip that says, trips to the space station!
	Want to go into space?
	NASA said today it's going to open the International Space Station to tourists.
	Might happen as early as next year, but it won't be cheap.
	Private companies, Boeing and SpaceX, are expected to charge, get this, up to $58 million.
	And that's round trip.
	Guess how much room and board is?
	$35,000 a night.
	Yeah, and you have to be there for 30 days.
	Oh, cool.
	Sounds boring.
	It sounds extreme.
	Yeah, you're going to be in a thing.
	I mean, it sounds really cool.
	I'd love to blast off and sit up there for a bit, but after a couple days, we're like, all right, adios, mofos.
	I'm tired of pooping in the bag.
	If you don't mind, I'm going to go home.
	I want to go home.
	And, you know, they have to do psychological things with the guys who are the astronauts and the women.
	Mm-hmm.
	They're all tested to death and gone through, you know, there's this thing that spins them around and they get psychological testing because not everyone is equipped to be up there because it is boring and you're stuck and you got to poop in a thing that sucks it out.
	He has some vacuum device and there's spit floating around inside.
	I mean, there's a lot of things that you have to deal with and it's not for the general public.
	It's not like going to Disneyland.
	No, no.
	But some jerks will go up there.
	You can count on it.
	There's more than a few billionaires who are 50 billion bucks maybe plus expenses.
	Well, I think your initial comment is correct.
	It's a great distraction since there will be no moon landing in 2024.
	Telling you right now is not going to happen.
	I'm willing to do the show until 2024 just to prove it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, stubborn guy.
	Just to celebrate.
	Hey, there's one story that kind of annoyed me because I went to ABC-CBS and I went all over the place.
	There's a six-week cycle event.
	Yes.
	That took place.
	In New York?
	New York City?
	Yes.
	And only CBS, the CIA broadcasting system, were the only ones that reported it.
	And it was somewhat annoying because it's a really good event, but it follows the same old pattern where the FBI found some guy, took him for about a year to get this guy, to radicalize the guy, even though they should just put him on YouTube, apparently would have radicalized himself in just a few videos.
	But besides that, it took him about a year to get the guy to do all the things they needed to do.
	And as soon as he finally, they finally arrested him for buying A gun from another agent.
	And this story never really got a lot of attention.
	It gave me a lot of it.
	I liked it.
	Go.
	Forces tell CBS News the FBI keyed in on Ashokal Alam based on suspicious social media activity and reached out to him in August 2018.
	Over 10 months of clandestine meetings with an undercover officer, Alam praised Al-Qaeda and ISIS. Wait a minute.
	So there were suspicious...
	social media activity instead of going over to this guy and saying, hey, bro, could you stop the suspicious behavior because you're looking a lot like ISIS?
	You know, and just confronting him.
	No, no, no.
	No, no, no, no.
	That would be policing.
	That would be trying to keep the, you know, the public safe and keep people in line.
	You don't want to do that.
	You want to make it worse.
	Yes.
	Over 10 months of clandestine meetings with an undercover officer, Alam praised al-Qaeda and ISIS. According to court papers, Alam said the September 11th attacks were a complete success, and it was the duty of Muslims to make a new leader.
	The 22-year-old Bangladeshi immigrant from Queens zeroed in on attacking New York City.
	Alam said he wanted to use suicide vests or AR-15 rifles in an attack on Times Square.
	He and the undercover agent went on several reconnaissance runs there.
	Alam said a successful attack would make them legends.
	Prosecutors say Alam also expressed interest in other New York City landmarks, including attacking the Freedom Tower with a rocket launcher.
	Jerry Hauer is the former head of New York State's Department of Homeland Security.
	With somebody like this, you try and keep him under surveillance as long as possible to see if he's tied to a network.
	In a sting operation yesterday, Alon purchased two Glock handguns with the serial number scratched off from other undercover officers.
	He was then quickly arrested.
	A judge ordered Alam House saying he posed a danger and he wasn't just talking big, David.
	Sources tell us the FBI believed he was committed enough to carry out an attack.
	His public defenders have not yet commented.
	Hold on.
	Where's the rest of the story about the network that they uncovered because they kept this guy strung along for 10 months?
	There's no network.
	It's just a douche.
	No, they never said there was a network.
	Well, he literally said, we'd like to do this so that we can find out if there's a network behind it.
	But it took him 10 months.
	That's what he said, but they didn't find one.
	No.
	He's a lone wolf.
	So we received information years ago that every six weeks or so and such, FBI likes to do one of these, or at least go and arrest someone.
	It's like, hey boys, six weeks, you got time.
	So they can keep their resources, their budgets, and be relevant in the counter-terrorism game.
	Because there's a lot of different players in government and they need to keep their budgets and their position.
	And that's why they do this.
	I was reading a similar affidavit the other day, which I think also belongs in the cycle, but I didn't put it in the show notes because this was a pedophile network they unraveled.
	Oh, they do that too, yeah.
	And they kept this one guy going with an undercover informant.
	Oh, no, this is Dr.
	Pizza.
	This is the guy who wrote for Ars Technica.
	Talk about a guy who's a creep.
	But if you read the transcript of him thinking he's communicating with the mother of an 11-year-old...
	How stupid is this guy?
	On Kink D or whatever the social...
	Kinky D or something.
	I've never heard of this site.
	It's got to be a kick.
	And so the undercover informant, which is in this case an FBI agent, is talking about, oh yeah, my daughter could probably handle the tip.
	I mean, how sick are you that you're trying to...
	Actually, the first time in my life, I actually almost felt physically sick just reading the FBI's doing that with these people to entrap them.
	The guy's a creep!
	Yeah, it's sick in a lot of different ways, but you've got to see a video of this character.
	Oh, no, I've seen pictures of this guy.
	Oh, no, pictures don't do him justice.
	You have to see a video of him.
	He is just like a stereotype weirdo.
	And he's like a tech reviewer.
	Geez.
	Anyway, back to the other thing.
	I have to say something about that clip.
	So this guy wants to do suicide bombings.
	He doesn't give a shit about the future.
	I mean, he's obviously just a loser that's easily cajoled into doing this, you know, blowing up New York if he could.
	So...
	Why does he need to buy Glocks that have the serial number removed?
	That's an excellent point.
	What difference does it make?
	If he's going to go down in flames, I totally agree.
	So they put that little bit in there.
	I think it was just thrown in to be like, oh, that's how bad he is.
	He's biting.
	It also throws the gun argument.
	Oh, serial numbers have been erased from the guns.
	There's been a lot of subtle and weird anti-gun stuff going on.
	I haven't discussed this any further, but I've noticed it.
	I have a couple of Green New Deal clips that are worthwhile.
	Okay.
	The first is a new airline, a new Swedish airline called Bra, B-R-A. B-R-A? Yeah.
	Bra?
	Yeah, I know.
	Yeah, you can make the jokes.
	Don't worry.
	The clip includes the joke, too.
	So it's Bra.
	And Bra has a new class that you can fly.
	Environment class.
	Hmm.
	And I think this clip is from a YouTuber who is an influencer and he has the Harry and David endorsement stuff.
	So I'm pretty sure they invite a lot of influencers to take one of these flights on brah.
	So hopefully they would talk about it.
	And so this kid, and I think he's Swedish, he's doing his little YouTube bit, but just listen to what he's selling and what bra indirectly is selling and how people are falling for this.
	So today's airline is not only a flying bra, it also happens to be the world's most eco-conscious airline.
	We love a sustainable bra.
	So today I booked a class I've never flown before.
	I've flown economy, premium economy, business class, and first class.
	But today I'm flying environment class.
	And I know you're thinking, what the hell is that?
	Well, recently the Swedish airline bra launched a class called environment class where you get to fly on biofuel for about $30 extra.
	So the ticket to Stockholm is already only about $50 for adults.
	And then you add another $30 and you're flying on a fully climate compensated A sustainable biofuel ticket.
	Okay, hold on.
	So, for 80% of the cost of the ticket, you add on, for 50 euros, you add on 30 euros, you are convinced that you are now fully, what do you call it, climate compensated?
	Climate compensated, completely eco-friendly...
	They got two, they're talking about some, what?
	This is a bullshit story.
	Well, hold on, we'll get to it.
	Climate compensated, sustainable biofuel ticket.
	Not only that, but the flight is served by a propeller plane, just super environmentally friendly.
	I want you to know a propeller plane is super environmentally friendly.
	Listen, bro.
	Propeller planes use the same engine.
	It's a jet engine.
	It's just a propeller on the outside.
	It's not as much environmentally friendly.
	So, with all those things combined, this is the future of eco-friendly domestic flying.
	And I'm so excited about it.
	I do have a lot of anxiety about the environmental impact my flying has.
	So since the start of this year, I've climbed and compensated all my trips, but it feels really good to be flying an airline that actually goes even further.
	So even though Bra has a stupid name, they're doing something very, very well.
	And I think it's nice that they give every passenger the option to add the environment class to their ticket because it makes people put their money where their mouth is.
	If you care about the environment, but you still want the efficiency of flying, gotta pay up.
	So this is great because he's buying into it.
	And I think a lot of young people will buy into this idea that, oh, if I can pay my way out of it, which is what we're being taught with the Paris Accord and everything, you can pay your way out of this problem.
	What you're doing...
	You are not solving anything.
	You are literally purchasing a credit, the right for this company, this bra company, to pollute to the degree that you fly.
	I think you're probably overpaying for that, but okay.
	So your ticket was $50, you're paying $30 to give them a credit that allows them to pollute.
	So you're not stopping pollution, you're giving them a credit.
	This credit is not something they pay for in full.
	It is tradable, this credit.
	You are giving them extra money.
	They can trade this.
	It's like giving them a share of stock or a foreign currency that they can then use in other ways.
	You're being ripped off and you're believing that you're solving something and it's sad.
	Yes.
	I thought you wanted to say something.
	I guess not.
	Well, I was just looking at the various fuels.
	Again, I'm just trying to re-familiarize myself with the fuels that these turboprops...
	It's the same.
	It's Jet 1A. It's the same fuel.
	Well, there's apparently some turboprops run off of Avgas, too.
	Well, yeah, okay.
	Second clip.
	This guy, by the way, a couple of things that stood out to me.
	It's very weird.
	The first time I flew on any of the Nordic air carriers, which was Icelandic, I noticed that they had two classes as a service.
	They had business, and then they had economy.
	And then I think I've flown on Finnair, and you have this same kind of situation.
	They do not have first classes in these areas, and I asked about this.
	And they said, we, as a culture, we do not believe there is such a thing as a first class.
	We're not a classist society, and in fact, the Swedes, above all, are egalitarians, which is one of the reasons they're having so much trouble with their migrants, because they believe that as egalitarians, everyone's equal.
	Right.
	And, you know, so that's why the old stories of it.
	You should read, everyone, if you go to Sweden, you should definitely read one of the sociology books or, you know, cultural anthropology books about the Swedes so you have a feeling for what it's like.
	And they don't.
	The idea is that the boss gets the coffee for the secretary more often than not.
	That's crazy.
	And when I heard that this operation has a first class, that's what he said, I'm thinking this is bull crap.
	Environmental class.
	He didn't say it had a first class.
	I thought he said there was a first class.
	No, he said he's flown first class.
	Oh, okay.
	So it wasn't the sweets.
	Okay.
	It jumped out at me.
	That's all right.
	So there's an outfit that is promoting, it's all a part of the same former Bernie bro people, is promoting the Green New Deal.
	And this outfit is called New Consensus.
	And they seem to be in business only to promote the Green New Deal.
	So this is an ally of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and whoever else sponsored the resolution, which did not get passed.
	But she was interviewed recently...
	And I just thought that her numbers were interesting.
	You know, we've heard Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez say that this is our World War II. Within 12 years, it's not going to matter.
	She's walked that back saying you have to be stupid, not understand that was a joke or whatever it was.
	So here is the...
	Tell that to the kids!
	Here is Rihanna Gunn-Wright...
	And she is the policy director of New Consensus.
	A CNN SSRS poll indicates that 82% of Democrats say that aggressive action on climate change is necessary.
	How do you get this?
	I mean, there's so many things.
	If you talk to voters out there, there are so many things they're concerned about right now.
	Health care and gun violence and immigration and the economy.
	Climate change is obviously up there, and it's often number one, two, three, or four.
	But how do you make the argument that it needs a separate discussion?
	Why not healthcare?
	So in the issues that you just brought up, climate change is one of the main drivers of our public health.
	So the difference between, say, 1.5 degrees of warming, which is the least that folks think that we can get, to two, you're talking about 150 million deaths.
	That's 25 holocausts, right?
	So how is that not a health issue?
	How is that not about health care?
	Oh, baby, I love it!
	25 holocausts, 400,000 Hiroshima bombs.
	It's crazy!
	Right, you're talking about immigration.
	Climate change is going to bring hundreds and millions of climate migrants, of climate refugees, both from...
	Outside the U.S. and inside the U.S. as you see people move.
	So even the issues that you outline, all of them are affected by climate change.
	And how you decide to deal with climate is how you decide to deal with all of these other issues.
	25 holocausts.
	John, we have a new peg on the board.
	25 holocausts.
	That's what it's going to be.
	Let's see if this meme gets anything.
	If it goes anywhere.
	Right?
	As she would say, right?
	Right.
	Now let's go to some serious news because we've obviously been playing a YouTube clip.
	This was a CNN clip.
	Now let's go to NPR. NPR is very serious and they always like to bring in people who know a lot about climate.
	They know a lot about science.
	And in this case, let's talk about climate and, well, really the question is, is climate affecting mental health?
	You've got to listen closely to this.
	The kicker's at the end, but here is NPR. Climate change is having a big impact on human health, and mental health specifically.
	That's the bottom line of a new report from 27 European Academies of Science.
	But exactly how something as big as a climate crisis affects mental health is a question that Helen Berry wrestles with every day.
	She's a psychiatric epidemiologist and a professor of climate change and mental health at the University of Sydney in Australia.
	Professor, it seems almost intuitive that climate change could affect our mental health, but is there actual evidence that that's true?
	So the short answer is yes, of course.
	And the long answer is no, it's incredibly difficult to do this kind of work, partly because climate systems themselves are extremely complex.
	And partly because mental health is also extremely complex and bringing those together makes a very huge and difficult puzzle.
	But I think it's really important to apply some common sense here, which is what you implied in your question, and also to understand how we can go about approaching this problem so we can eventually get the scientific answers that we want.
	Did you just understand what she actually said there?
	Yeah, she says that we gotta approach this so we get the answers that we want.
	Yes!
	She's a scientist!
	Yeah.
	Well, that's what the climate...
	That's the whole climate model.
	The whole climate change argument is based on these dubious...
	And everybody knows they're dubious...
	the answers that you want.
	That's what's going on.
	It's so obvious that she just said it.
	I just want to hear it again.
	Important to apply some common sense here, which is what you implied in your question, and also to understand how we can go about approaching this problem so we can eventually get the scientific answers that we want.
	Oh my god.
	Because first she says, yeah, of course.
	Of course it affects your mental health.
	Now we've got to back it into something so we can prove it with the answers we want.
	Yeah, this is the science community 2019.
	Hello.
	97% of all of you.
	97% of everybody in the world is all on board with this.
	It's kind of frightening.
	Well, Jay Inslee's on board.
	He's the guy.
	He's the single issue Democrat who's not even on my list of the contenders memo because he's just a phony.
	But he's the governor of Washington state.
	And his whole thing, he's a one issue candidate.
	And his issue is that we're all going to die tomorrow if it's if we don't do something about climate change.
	And that's all he cares about, period.
	And now he's irked because the Democratic National Committee is not going to do a special debate on climate change.
	And so they apparently thought this guy's such a lunatic that they said if you even do a debate on climate change outside of the DNC parameters, you're banned!
	Washington governor and 2020 presidential hopeful Jay Inslee says the Democratic National Committee is refusing to schedule a candidate debate on the climate crisis.
	Inslee said Thursday he was told by the DNC that if he participates in any non-DNC-affiliated debate on the climate, he would be disinvited to future debates held by the DNC. Inslee called the move a deeply disappointing attempt to blacklist candidates.
	He said in a statement, quote, Well, that's interesting.
	So who is actually stopping this debate?
	The DNC? The honcho?
	The DNC. Whoever's running it, there's a – I forget the guy who's running it.
	Who is running it?
	They have a little committee and they said, no, we can't do this.
	They are orchestrating everything and they see this as like some sort of a sideshow that's going to be mocked by the Republicans and the independents out there.
	And they know why they can't do it.
	This guy's too dumb to see it because he seriously thinks that this is the topic of the day.
	A winning issue.
	Have you been following?
	We had Iowa this weekend.
	We have the first debates for the Democratic primary, which is how the Democrat Party will choose their candidate to run against, presumably, Trump.
	Makes sense.
	And so the debates start end of this month, I think 24th or 27th.
	Yeah, something at the end of the month.
	So people are ramping up, getting ready.
	Two days.
	Two days.
	Two days of debates.
	I guess since the weekend where everyone was there.
	Is there some kind of thing in Iowa, some Democratic pooh-how, schlock and lock and ding-dong that everyone was there?
	It's for the Iowa caucuses, which is kind of a primary, which is next year.
	Yeah.
	But they're going there just to brown-nose the public.
	So when does that actually happen?
	When do the actual primaries take place?
	Is that next year?
	It's not even this year?
	Next year.
	Jeez.
	So there's plenty of time for Stacey Abrams to still get in.
	Yes.
	Your prediction is going to be good to go for at least, I'd say, a month.
	And even though there's a year to go...
	That's your prediction, not mine.
	I believe that the first debates are important for one other reason, which is to get this really straight now.
	It's for comedy.
	It's for comedy.
	It's going to be some funny stuff, but it's going to be kind of stayed.
	It's going to be stayed.
	That'll be funny for us, and we'd like that.
	It's going to bring out the losers and the winners.
	It's going to make the picture a little more clear, and it should trigger Hillary.
	Jumping in because she's going to say, well, look at these losers.
	They suck.
	They're not going to beat Trump.
	I already beat him once.
	Let's put me back in.
	I can just see Bill sitting at home right now like...
	Holy crap, man.
	I really dodged the bullet once again.
	She offed her brother.
	Who knows what the sympathy vote's going to do.
	I'm going to show my sword by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	In the morning.
	Well, you do have a few people to thank.
	A very few.
	Starting with David N. Pat, Pate, or Pat, P-A-T-E, $100.
	Or Pate, you never know.
	Could be Pate.
	Pate, yes, Pate.
	So John Knowles comes in second.
	He's the Baron of Murfreesboro in Tennessee, 8008.
	Comes in with a boob.
	Brad Ryder, 69-69.
	We did have a little promotion for 69-69.
	Yeah, hold on a second.
	69-69, dudes!
	This was one of the...
	It was exactly that.
	It was the 6969 Dudes donation.
	And it was a big, big, big thing for years, years, and people would always request the 6969 Swazilnov Karma, and we said the minute it stops when no one does the 6969 donation, we're retiring the whole segment, and it took years.
	Until it did finally go away, but we're bringing it back just for today.
	69!
	69, dudes!
	Well, this is because we had a dame in Germany who was a...
	A runner?
	A long-distance runner, and she kind of triggered the whole thing, and then she went overboard, and that was the end of it.
	Well, she had...
	Didn't she have no agenda on her butt?
	Yeah, she had no agenda on her butt.
	Yeah.
	It's great.
	A running butt.
	Yeah, a running butt.
	Brad Ryder.
	Gregory Worley comes in with the same amount.
	Kenneth Learman Jr.
	William Geffkin.
	It's not that many.
	In fact, there's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, not even 10.
	Josh Moser.
	Since we're here, I might as well read a dedicated or decided to donate for the 6ix9ine show as a birthday gift to myself as I turn not 33 but the other magic number 42 on show day.
	That's right, the answer to all questions in the universe.
	Thanks for all you do and keep our collective amygdala small in spite of all the outrage addiction that permeates our culture these days.
	Looking forward to the next meetup in the Des Moines area when y'all come through.
	Resist we much!
	Thank you very much, Josh.
	Robert Marsh comes in, 69, 69.
	Sir Jim Zuckel.
	We haven't heard from him for a while.
	Sir Gottnate, Sebastopol, 69, 69.
	That's the end of it.
	What?
	69!
	69, dudes!
	Not much there.
	Heather Rodriguez came in with a flat 69, just 69.
	She's got a note for you about something.
	She's in Stockton.
	Corey Ainsworth, $69.
	Baron Mark Tanner with his normal 678 twice a month.
	Brian Pearson, 6666.
	Thomas Miller, 5555 in Naperville.
	Great job, he says.
	Sir Ryan in Aspenwall, Pennsylvania.
	Sir Tom Darry in DeForest, Wisconsin.
	Tara Reese in Urbana, Illinois.
	Michael Barco in Salem, Oregon.
	Luke Barnes.
	And he's, I'm sorry, I'm missing these 50.
	Let me go back up.
	Sir Ryan is 55-10.
	Thomas Miller is 55-55.
	Tom Daria was 55-10.
	Tara Reese was 50-42.
	Michael Barco is 50-30.
	Luke Barnes, 50-30.
	Not sure where that comes from.
	Luke says, I'm a broke college student.
	He says, I'm a broke college student and still have the money to donate, and I also hit my whole class in the mouth this last term.
	No agenda needs you, dear listeners.
	Thank you very much, Luke.
	Yes, good work.
	Baronet Sir Economic Hitman in Houston, 50-01.
	Tony Smith, 50.
	Drew Mochak, 50s in El Cerrito.
	These are all $50 donors with Allison Lindner.
	Maxine Waters Gravel's back.
	Apologies for being MIA. Gravel shortage in D.C. I've been working OT for Maxine.
	Really irked I had to fill in for Nadler.
	What a douchebag.
	Cheers, Maxine Waters Gravel.
	Which has its own Twitter account.
	Yes, it does.
	It has its own Twitter account and donates to the show.
	It's going to be knighted eventually.
	Or damed.
	Whatever it is.
	Whatever it is.
	Edward Mazurik in Memphis, Tennessee.
	Jonathan Meyer in Xenia, Ohio.
	Jacob Langley in Eddersville, Georgia.
	Larry Hay in Mooresville, North Carolina.
	Sir Brett Farrell in OKC. Sir Jason Deluzio in Chadsford, Pennsylvania.
	And last but not least, Sir Kyle Meyer in Atlanta, Georgia.
	I want to thank all these folks for contributing to show 1145.
	And hopefully we have a little better showing on Thursday, please.
	And take it.
	Yes, Heather Rodriguez did write a note which I wanted to share.
	She said, I need road trip karma and a dedouching.
	You've been dedouched.
	I headed up to Washington for my great-grandparents' internment on June 17th, what would be their 69th wedding anniversary.
	Wow.
	Hold on a second.
	I got something for them.
	Let's see.
	It would have been their 69th wedding anniversary.
	69!
	69, dude!
	My great-grandpa was a chief petty officer during the Korean War.
	My great-grandmother raised six kids, which means lots of aunts, uncles, cousins, nephews, and nieces to celebrate their lives lived.
	They opted to be cremated and their ashes mixed.
	It should be a beautiful ceremony with a color guard to send them off.
	So, just wanted to make sure we shared that one.
	And thanks everybody who came in under $50.
	This is usually for reasons of anonymity, but we do have a number of subscriptions we'd like you to check out.
	And you can see we have a nighting coming up in just a minute from a 20-month layaway night.
	It is possible to get up at that roundtable for anybody.
	You just need to check it out at dvorak.org.
	And also, of course, thanks to our executive producers.
	All of you participating in the grand experiment known as the Value for Value Network.
	Dvorak.org slash NA. As requested, a couple of karmas.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	It's a birthday birthday!
	Hi, today is, indeed, the 9th of June, 2019.
	Let me bring up my notes here for a second, as I have our birthday list.
	It's not too long.
	Bobby Purell, or Kuril, I should say, celebrates his birthday today.
	Justin Bissette says happy birthday to his wife, Tiffany Fiedler.
	She also celebrating today.
	Josh Moser, 33, tomorrow on the 9th, as well as Corey Ainsworth celebrating tomorrow, June 9th.
	Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.
	Let's take a look at our meetups.
	I need a jingle for the meetups.
	First, a report from the Oklahoma City meetup.
	Quick note from Derek B., the meetup went very well.
	Small but quality group of folks.
	We had almost no lack of conversation for four hours.
	This is what's great about these meetups.
	I have a report from the Pittsburgh meetup.
	Let me finish this.
	Cassidy is going to send the pictures, a donation, and a note.
	It probably won't be for tomorrow's show, but I'm leaving the honors to her as she wanted to do this.
	She and Zach were also at the Austin meetup.
	Yes, I remember.
	There were five people who emailed us, said they were coming, who didn't show, but the weather today was just phenomenal.
	80 degrees, no wind.
	I rode my motorcycle to the meetup.
	A lot of people might have opted for other outdoor activities, and I made the mistake of having on the same day a SoonerCon, which is Oklahoma's Comic Con, and we lost at least one person to that.
	But everybody thanked me profusely for setting it up, and we're very happy to be there.
	I think the ones who didn't come really missed out.
	Hopefully they can make it next time.
	Thanks for making it possible.
	No, thank you, Derek, and everyone who was there at the Oklahoma City meetup.
	And it's a great way to get together with people who you already have a connection with, inside jokes, and no triggering.
	It's perfect.
	Got a note from the Pittsburgh meetup with some money.
	Oh.
	Bill Patterson, Joel, Eric, Sir Ryan with 5510, Chris and Jen, happy birthday to someone, him, I think.
	Wait, so they did a collection at the meetup?
	Yeah, it's the first time I've seen that.
	That's fantastic.
	Thank you.
	So it was a check we included in there.
	And I guess there's a birthday call, but this note needs to be a little more detailed.
	So in the future, if people are going to send this stuff in, it'll be a little more...
	Because we could probably put...
	I guess it would be Chris onto the list for birthdays, but I don't have any details, so I can't do it.
	Okay, so more details when you send in the reports.
	Thank you.
	And I will be doing the details, the reporting for the June 12th London meetup.
	That will be on Wednesday.
	Tina the Keeper and I flying in early on Wednesday morning.
	6 o'clock, we'll have the meetup.
	Check out noagendameetups.com for the exact location and time, 6 o'clock.
	On the 15th, we will not be there, but there's a meetup in Copenhagen.
	July 4th, Seattle, Washington.
	The 9th of July, Knoxville, Tennessee.
	That's going to be a blowout, no doubt.
	July 13th, Atlanta, Georgia.
	July 20th, Southwest London.
	I don't know how Southwest it is.
	I've got to look.
	But again, noagendameetups.com is where everyone can find out where the meetup is, where you need to go, or start one yourself.
	July 20th, also Buffalo, New York.
	So check that out.
	It's a great thing to be a part of.
	I wish I could do a lot more and once we're back from this honeymoon, which is going to be very short, and I'll be working during the honeymoon.
	Yeah.
	It wasn't my intent, but I guess we should just keep on going.
	It makes so much sense for all the stuff that's happening.
	What was I going to say?
	I don't know.
	I completely lost the plot.
	Oh well, it doesn't matter.
	Let's do this.
	Come gather round douchebags We all thank your brothers and sisters who gave And some of them nights, some of them days Yes, we have one title change today.
	We find that very important, certainly for the Peerage Committee.
	When things do change, you can find that at dvorak.org slash peerage.htm.
	Sir Mike Muggler today becomes Sir Anthrax Failed Vaccine Tester.
	And we thank him for his courage and supporting the show continuously.
	Then we have two damings and one knighting.
	So the women outnumber the men today.
	We've got to have that special blade.
	You know the one.
	That's the one.
	Up here on the stage, please, next to the roundtable, Lisa Donner, Isabel Pearson, and Todd Moore.
	The three of you have supported the No Agenda Show, the best podcast in the universe, in the amount of $1,000 or more.
	We could not be more thankful.
	In fact, we'd like to thank you by putting you right here at the roundtable of the Knights and the James, and therefore, I'm very proud to pronounce the KV, Dame Lisa Donner, Dame Isabel Pearson, and Sir White Noise.
	For you, we have, as usual, hookers and blow, red boys and chardonnay for the ladies today.
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	Another show on Thursday coming to you live, at least half of it, from London.
	Good news.
	Or bad news.
	Can I always use good news?
	Well, I think this qualifies as both.
	Scooters in Nashville.
	Back now with the growing trend of travel and the growing danger it may bring.
	Electric scooters speeding down roads and sidewalks and at least 11 deaths reported since the beginning of last year.
	Tonight, the mayor who's had enough and what he's demanding.
	Here's ABC's Marcia Gonzalez.
	Tonight, leaders in yet another American city threatening to ban electric scooters, concerned about the danger to riders and pedestrians.
	They're everywhere.
	They block sidewalks.
	The mayor of Nashville says there are now 4,000 scooters in his city, saying he wants them off the streets if the seven scooter companies operating there don't address safety concerns.
	I'd love to see them fit into Nashville, but the way it is operating in Nashville right now, we just have too much risk associated with it.
	This video showing the risks riders are taking.
	This man in Nashville on a scooter with a child on his back.
	And just last month, a 26-year-old man died there, hit by a vehicle while riding a scooter.
	Brady Gahlke's family starting a petition to outlaw them so he, quote, is the last victim of what they call an epidemic.
	Across the country, the Associated Press reports there have been at least 11 electric scooter deaths since the beginning of last year, and Consumer Reports tallying 1,500 scooter-related accidents from just 47 cities since late 2017.
	So, where's the good news, where's the bad news?
	Well, it's good news for the public.
	That some mayor actually has a backbone and he's talking about these scooters.
	And the bad news is for these stupid scooter companies.
	It's all built into one clip.
	I don't know if we talked about it on the show, but one of our producers sent a note in.
	He was at a conference, I think it was an ADA, American Disability Act type conference with lawyers, and they're all going after the scooter companies for the blind.
	Because these things are left on the sidewalks and it's very difficult for those experiencing sightlessness, I'm trying to say it the right way, to navigate around them.
	Yeah, good point.
	Yeah.
	It's especially with the bikes.
	The scooters is one thing, but the bikes, you walk by, they get caught on them, they trip over them, they fall.
	It's a nightmare.
	And Austin, I guess we...
	They postponed all of the homeless votes because of overturning the panhandling ordinances.
	They chickened out on that, so they pushed that vote off, which would effectively make it legal to panhandle in any manner next to a school, a bank, a bus stop, any time of day.
	But they have allowed these scooters and bikes to, well, I don't know about the bikes, but the scooters to be on sidewalks, to be driven on sidewalks.
	We have two, a very large school for the deaf in Austin, very famous.
	Think about how dangerous that is when you cannot hear anything coming up behind you.
	And you can barely hear these things anyway.
	So, I think we got roads for a reason.
	Who am I? I have a clip blitz if you want it.
	Well, let's do it after this.
	Dogs love people, too.
	Yes!
	We love our dogs!
	I'm going to break the wheel.
	If you're a fan of Game of Thrones, you're familiar with the direwolf, the popularity of the creature in the fantasy world, creating consequences in the real world.
	I'm Jerome Flynn for Peter.
	You might also know me as Bron from Game of Thrones.
	More and more huskies are being bred and bought because of their resemblance to direwolves.
	That surge in breeding has also led to a surge in abandonments.
	A lot of huskies and husky mixes have been coming in.
	Animal shelters in both Monterey and Santa Cruz counties are reporting a massive increase in the number of huskies.
	The Santa Cruz County Animal Shelter says right now they have six huskies and that's the most they've ever had.
	And it's happening all over the state with very similar stories.
	Take Dakota here, for example.
	She's a year old.
	People often get these dogs as puppies because they're so beautiful, but they don't really understand the maintenance that goes into taking care of these dogs as they get older.
	This isn't the first time we've seen pop culture impact shelters.
	The chihuahuas, when Pierce Hilton had a first chihuahua, 101 Dalmatians came out.
	It seemed like there were a lot of Dalmatians.
	But now it's happening to huskies, and a rise in surrenders means more euthanizations.
	Aww.
	Yeah, this is very typical of our culture.
	Oh man, such a cool dog.
	Let's get one.
	Then the dog turns out to be a pooping machine.
	Eating you out of house and home.
	Like, eh, let's get rid of this dog.
	Dogs are people, too.
	But wait.
	There's more.
	In Texas, the movies have gone to the dogs.
	It is the world's first ever dog-friendly movie theater.
	Eric Langford started canine cinema.
	Can you believe this?
	...has a unique place for people and pooches.
	Best friend Bear is his partner, of course.
	My heart is overwhelmed with joy because I did this to make me happy.
	Yeah, you're gonna have no dates, bro.
	And now it's making other people happy, so everybody's loving it.
	Six nights a week for 15 bucks and five for Sparky, you can see a flick and enjoy a bottomless glass of wine.
	Wine and dogs.
	Why bring your dog?
	Why not?
	That's the real question.
	Why not?
	Movies vary from modern hits to classics, maybe even a dog's journey from time to time.
	He loves just coming here because he gets to play with all the other dogs too.
	The candy counter's even stocked with doggy treats.
	No dogs for dogs?
	No one's ever been busted for smooching in the dark, but some nuzzling goes on.
	For the most part, the pups sit, stay, and watch.
	And here's a doggone good idea, local shelters often on hand with pets for adoption.
	Yeah, okay, fine.
	Yeah, they charge five bucks extra for the dog, and they don't even do that for kids when you bring kids into theater, which I'm also against, babies.
	Well, you hate dogs, so that makes sense.
	I do not hate dogs.
	I hate dog owners who treat them like humans, like children, like human beings.
	Well, everybody hates that.
	Well, that's my whole point.
	I don't hate dogs.
	You've given me this rap, which is unfair.
	I know I have.
	I just want to see how nice it is.
	But now I'm getting, for some reason...
	See how you wear it.
	It's really...
	At one point, I said, I'm tired of eating chicken breast.
	And now somehow in my own house...
	Oh, you don't like chicken.
	I do like chicken.
	I don't.
	I can cook some pretty decent chicken dishes.
	But I'm sick of chicken.
	Well, I got sick.
	I was sick of chicken, chicken breast.
	You should be sick of it.
	It's a dumb meat.
	It's a dumb meat.
	Please explain.
	How is it a dumb meat?
	Well, for one thing, it's made from chickens.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, come on.
	Can't we find something better to eat than these stupid birds?
	Oryx, baby.
	Oryx.
	Dogs eat people, too.
	Or maybe just try some dog meat.
	I don't know.
	Is dog meat tasty?
	The Chinese can't be totally stupid.
	Well, the Filipinos also eat dog meat.
	I think I've had dog meat.
	I can't say for sure, but I believe I have, and it's fine.
	I mean, I think horse meat's a little better.
	I like horse meat.
	I'm all for the horse meat.
	I do have my horse meat story.
	You ever tell my horse meat story when I was in Slovenia?
	I'd love to hear your horse meat story.
	So I'm in Slovenia.
	Hanging out with the publishers, the Playboy and most of the magazines, they were going to pick up PC Magazine and publish the Slovenian version.
	And I got a great tour of the country.
	And there's something I've noticed.
	In fact, Eric DeShiel went to Finland and I said, well, when you're in Finland, get some of this reindeer meat.
	It's absolutely fantastic.
	He says he never saw any.
	And I realize that many European countries that eat kind of offbeat stuff, they never admit it.
	And they won't let you see it.
	What, reindeer or dog?
	Like, you know, you can go to Scandinavian countries or Nordic countries and you find that you'll see...
	Reindeer meat all over the marriage, but these guys will never take you to a place that serves it.
	The one time I went to Finland, Sir Luke took me to a restaurant where we had reindeer meat.
	In fact, they brought out the picture of the damn beast before they killed him, and his name and everything.
	What did you think?
	Oh, dynamite!
	It's dynamite.
	It's very bloody meat, but it's dynamite.
	Some of the most beautiful meat I've ever tasted, though.
	Yeah, it was good.
	I liked it a lot.
	Yeah, it's very good.
	And it goes, curiously, I was up at some restaurant way north in Finland, and this woman, this French woman who served a lot of reindeer steaks, she had a huge collection of Behringer Private Reserve Cabernet, which she insisted that we have with the reindeer, and the match was unbelievable.
	So, anyway, so...
	So I'm in Slovenia and these guys reticently say, do you ever eat horse meat?
	I said, yeah, I've had horse meat tacos in Tijuana.
	They're fantastic.
	I like horse meat.
	Was that at the donkey show?
	No, I never went to the donkey show.
	And so it was called the blue something for the name of the place.
	It may have been just a myth.
	Anyway, so they say, oh, well, there's a restaurant here that specializes in it.
	They say, we don't really eat much.
	They're downplaying it.
	But if I want to go and have some horse meat just to see what it was like, they'd relent and go.
	So we go to this place, and they order this, they advise me to order this sirloin Steak, horse, which I never had just a big horse steak.
	The thing is the size of the plate.
	The worst part was that this particular cut was dense.
	So it had kind of a dense quality.
	It was tasty, but it had a dense liver-like quality.
	And so I'm trying to plow through this thing with these guys who never eat horse meat.
	And so I'm trying to get through this steak and I'm getting about a third of the way through and I'm stuffed.
	I can't take it.
	I look around, these three guys, three of them, they plowed through this giant steak like there's no tomorrow and say to me, are you going to eat that?
	And they glom it.
	So they love the horse meat in Slovenia.
	No matter what they tell you.
	Anyway, I do have a clip blitz of seven clips, all under 30 seconds.
	Red, 33!
	Democrat weirdness regarding taxes.
	The Democratic chair of the House Ways and Means Committee is coming under fire from his own party after he told Bloomberg News he has no plans to use a recently passed New York state law to acquire President Trump's tax records.
	Congressmember Richard Neal says he's worried the request would, quote, bolster Trump administration arguments that Congress is on a political fishing expedition.
	Red 33!
	Red 33!
	Clint Blitz!
	Clint Blitz!
	Tax returns, too.
	Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin has defied congressional requests to turn over Trump's tax records, and Trump remains the only president or major presidential candidate in modern U.S. history to refuse to make his tax returns public.
	Red, 33!
	NADLER'S PLAN PLUS WEIRD PELOSI QUOTE. Democratic House Judiciary Chair Gerald Nadler is preparing to subpoena Special Counsel Robert Mueller within the next two weeks.
	That's according to Politico, which also reports Nadler's privately pushing Democratic leaders to open a formal impeachment inquiry against the president.
	During a closed-door meeting Tuesday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi reportedly pushed back, saying Trump should be, quote, in prison, but not impeached.
	Ah!
	Weird.
	Sudan news, important.
	The African Union has suspended Sudan's membership after soldiers with the ruling Transitional Military Council opened fire on sit-in protesters Monday, killing at least 108 of them and wounding more than 500 others.
	In a statement, the AU said Sudan would remain suspended until a civilian-led transitional authority is established.
	Sudan's military took power in April after a month-long pop The popular uprising that led to the overthrow of the longtime authoritarian president Omar al-Bashir.
	YouTube, YouTube, YouTube current bans.
	YouTube announced today that it will remove thousands of videos and channels with white supremacist and neo-Nazi content from its site.
	The video streaming company will also bar any videos denying well-documented events like the Holocaust ever happened.
	The move comes amid growing criticism that online services allow and sometimes fuel hate speech.
	I think you said you turd.
	Cuba ships banned.
	It's about to get more difficult to travel to Cuba.
	Today the Trump administration banned cruise ships departing the U.S. from stopping there in order to punish Cuba for supporting the Venezuelan government.
	Commercial airline flights are not yet effective.
	Last clip, home food delivery twist.
	So the online delivery wars have a new battlefield, you might say.
	Your refrigerator.
	Walmart said today it's testing a new service.
	Delivery workers will actually put groceries in your refrigerator when you're not home.
	They'll wear a camera so you can keep an eye on them.
	Apparently it uses smart technology to let you in.
	Red 33!
	That's a good blitz, John.
	We haven't done one like that in a while.
	It was good.
	I liked it.
	Outstanding.
	So, they're going to let you...
	What idiot is going to have home food delivery where the guy plows into your house?
	Although, if you think about it, in old movies, you see this used to be common back in the 20s and 30s, I guess.
	Sure, there was trust.
	Trust.
	There was trust.
	There was trust.
	Well, there's a couple things we haven't discussed that I do have a clip for.
	Number one would be the tariffs do not go into effect for Mexico on Monday.
	Apparently we have a deal.
	Here is the Spanish interpretation of the key point, as done by the Spanish official who did the announcement in English.
	And a key finding of the Mueller report, Ukrainian business...
	Fail.
	Of course, that's not the one I meant.
	That would be this one.
	The United States will immediately expand the implementation of the existing migrant protection protocols across its entire southern border.
	This means that those crossing the U.S. southern border to seek asylum will be rapidly returned to Mexico where they may await the adjudication of their asylum claims.
	In response, Mexico will authorize the entrance of all of those individuals for humanitarian reasons in compliance with its international obligations while they await the adjudication of their asylum claims.
	Mexico will also offer jobs, healthcare, and education according to its principles.
	The United States commits to work to accelerate the adjudication of asylum claims and to conclude removal proceedings as expeditiously as possible.
	Further actions.
	Both parties also agree that in the event the measures adopted do not have the expected results, they will take further actions.
	Therefore, the United States and Mexico will continue their discussions on the terms of additional understandings to address irregular migrant flows and asylum issues, to be completed and announced within 90 days, if necessary.
	So that's straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.
	So it sounds pretty much like what was announced, except for this tweet from the president saying that Mexico is now going to buy more of our farm goods or something.
	I don't know what he's talking about.
	Maybe.
	All I know is two things I know.
	One, I do have a clip on asylum rule changes.
	But before that, the New York Times, of course, throws a wet blanket on this after the fact saying, ah, this was done deal last year.
	This is nothing new, which doesn't make sense.
	It's just like the New York Times is ruining their reputation by, you know, just throwing a wet blanket on everything.
	It just got...
	Got the T word associated with it.
	But this is kind of an interesting clip.
	This is the new asylum rules, which has got some people upset.
	The agreement would require asylum seekers to seek refuge in the countries they first cross into.
	Under the plan, Guatemalan migrants could only apply for asylum in Mexico.
	Hondurans and Salvadorans would be forced to apply as refugees in Guatemala.
	The emerging plan drew fire from civil liberties groups including the ACLU, which said such a change to the asylum system violates both U.S. and international laws and is unlikely to survive a legal challenge.
	Really?
	Why would it be unlikely to survive a legal challenge?
	I don't understand.
	What is the problem?
	I don't either.
	All I know is that ACLU says so, and of course they're always right.
	And I guess there's some rule where if you're an asylum seeker, you don't have to go to the first shithole country that's next to you.
	Yes, you do.
	So, I mean, that's what it's all about.
	I mean, that's what they're saying.
	You know, they condemn Trump for saying shithole country.
	But in fact, what they're showing us is shithole countries.
	They think the same way.
	Yeah.
	For sure, it is my impression that the liberal world order, the new world order, the liberal banking elites, the globalists, they do not like anyone messing with tariffs.
	It seemed like people got a big knot in their panties or their panties in a bunch over this.
	You know, the World Trade Organization's all pissed off.
	Everyone's like, this is crazy.
	Republicans.
	No one likes this.
	But it seems, it appears to be effective.
	Now, I'm not sure that it is.
	We'll see.
	But they don't like that.
	And I guess that's the same with Brexit.
	You know, it's about, you know, ultimately it's about the deals.
	It's about the trade between the countries.
	Yeah, it's something we need to pay more attention to as far as the reaction to it.
	Yeah, because they really, really don't like it.
	Yeah, they don't.
	You're right.
	That's a good point.
	Then my final clip for today's deconstruction, just so we can get ready, because we do have elections coming up in Scandinavia.
	What elections are these now?
	Is this a big election for them?
	The Parliament election for members of Parliament?
	Is it parliamentary?
	Hello, Scandinavians in the troll room.
	Let me know what's going on.
	Yeah, tell us what's going on.
	We'd like to know what's happening.
	So we've heard from this young woman before.
	Her name is Karina Gould.
	She is the Minister of Democratic Institutions.
	And she has some very troubling news.
	It's not just here in the United States.
	Gitmo Nation happens up there as well.
	I just wanted to give a quick update on the declaration on online electoral integrity.
	From two weeks ago.
	I wanted to raise the issue that when we announced it on Monday, May 27th, Google, Facebook and Microsoft were very quick to join.
	They've in fact demonstrated a number of actions in the interim.
	However, we still haven't heard from Twitter.
	We haven't heard from Twitter on the declaration.
	We haven't heard from Twitter in terms of what they're planning on doing for the upcoming election.
	We haven't heard from Twitter with regards to whether they will have the online ad registry.
	And I think it's important for Canadians to be aware that Twitter has essentially decided not to take responsibility for these activities, that Twitter is not committing to what they will do here in Canada.
	And quite frankly, that, you know, we're facing a time crunch.
	I mean, the pre-rip period is going to be coming very shortly.
	The elected election is coming shortly.
	And we have yet to hear from Twitter.
	We've heard from Facebook.
	We've heard from Google.
	But Twitter remains mum, and I think this is something that Canadians should be aware of, and we hope that Twitter will start to take some responsibility for the content on their platform.
	We know that their platform has been used and manipulated by foreign malicious actors, and we're still waiting to hear what their plans are here in Canada.
	Block them!
	Block them from the whole country!
	You can't take that risk, Canada!
	What?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Please.
	Yeah, this is the playbook.
	So you can always go back.
	All elections are going to suck from now on.
	Because, well, clearly we know what the Russians did.
	Clearly.
	Yeah, those Russians.
	It's all that.
	That's so sad, so annoying.
	I think this is the big election.
	This is the one where they can get...
	Get rid of Trudeau.
	Get rid of Trudeau.
	Might not be a crazy idea.
	That would be my hope.
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	in an Airbnb.
	Actually, it's not an Airbnb.
	It's a BNB. A proper bed and breakfast with a really beautiful breakfast.
	It's done by the owner.
	And so it's an old house.
	And it has one of those old Dutch toilets that I think I've mentioned before on the show.
	Way up in the air?
	It has the reservoir way up in the air so it uses real gravity, big ass gravity.
	But it needs that because it's one of those typical old Dutch toilets that has the shelf.
	And for people who don't know, the main Dutch toilet maker, back in the day, started making them mainly for hospitals.
	And there's a shelf, so when you poop, then your poop stays on the shelf so it can be examined.
	And no one ever thought, that's kind of disgusting for the home.
	And they just, well, just use the hospital toilets.
	And so, you know, it's kind of weird when you sit there and go, oh, shit, my poop is on the shelf.
	And that's why the extra gravity...
	Poop is on the shelf.
	In some places it hits the fan.
	In the Netherlands it's on the shelf.
	There's a poop upon the shelf.
	There's a poop upon the shelf.
	We keep it for your health.
	We keep it for your health.
	For the Queen and Commonwealth.
	The Dutch are in a rush to see that poopy flush.
	Poop is on the shelf.
	Yeah!
	No, that's okay if you're a homeless hooker.
	You know Adam's got a hooker.
	Why do you say Adam?
	I say you.
	You're talking about yourself.
	No.
	You come home, your wife is on vacation or on a business trip, and you come home with a homeless hooker walking down the street homeless hooker the kind I like to meet homeless hooker I don't believe you you're not the truth no one could look at Boy, you're not coming home with a hooker.
	Mercy.
	With these cameras in place.
	Exactly.
	Homeless.
	Hooker.
	I love it!

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