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June 16, 2019 - No Agenda

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	Oh, you're hurting me!
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Sunday, June 16th, 2019.
	This is your award-winning Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 1147.
	This is no agenda.
	Spelunking the echo chambers of media and broadcasting live from the Titanic Hotel in Belfast, home to conspiracy theories since 1912.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I'm still waiting in line at Target, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill in the morning.
	Boom shakalaka.
	Hey, John.
	Glitch.
	Oh, don't even start with that.
	Do you know how many people will email me and tweet me when something like that happens?
	You brought it on yourself.
	Oh, and I have the clip here.
	Trouble at Target today registers that stores worldwide were down due to a technical glitch.
	The glitch prevented cashiers from scanning merchandise, causing massive lines at its stores worldwide, frustrating shoppers.
	The company closed some stores rather than risk further aggravating people.
	Target says the outage lasted about two hours and blamed the problem on a quote, internal technology issue.
	We were just shopping around and there was an overhead page that said all the systems were down in Target.
	Nobody can buy anything.
	So they're going to close the store.
	Target says the glitch was not a data breach and no guest information was compromised.
	It was a double glitch.
	Not just one glitch at the beginning, but two glitches in the report.
	Completely unacceptable reporting.
	Well, just a second there, Professor.
	We fixed the glitch.
	It's so lame.
	AP, Associated Press, led off their reporting of this with a glitch.
	That's the first two words in their reporting.
	I'd like to know what actually happened.
	Target has had a lot of issues with their systems.
	Target's got a huge IT problem.
	And it doesn't make sense that the whole system would go down.
	It doesn't have, like, local backups or any way of doing anything unless it's all interconnected.
	Does that make sense to you?
	Crazy idea.
	Could anyone pay with cash?
	Yeah.
	I don't think so.
	I don't think they were...
	Don't they have a little, you know, you write it up?
	I don't think so.
	I don't think so.
	Using a pen, you know, a pen and a piece of paper?
	No, no, no, I don't think so.
	Calculator?
	People have no idea.
	So for the entire world, Target is closed just on a banker's holiday kind of thing.
	It is.
	People have, you know, it's cute now and it's still cute when you call it a glitch and, oh, well, we didn't know what to do.
	We were just wandering around for two hours.
	We couldn't buy anything.
	Wait until something really good happens.
	And then people will be like, well, what does the word glitch mean?
	Remember there's something more we should look at?
	Interesting Jeopardy episode the other day.
	The category for final today is word history, players.
	Here's your clue.
	This word for a bug or malfunction was popularized in the 1962 book Into Orbit by the Mercury astronauts.
	Thirty seconds.
	Good luck.
	Oh my goodness, what could it be?
	Let me think for a second.
	A bug, Mercury...
	I don't know.
	Let's go to the answer, Alec.
	Please let me know.
	Jim, you're smiling.
	Why is that?
	You couldn't come up with anything, so what did you write down?
	What is foobar?
	Okay, it's going to cost you something.
	4,200.
	That drops you down to 6,600.
	Let's go to the middle now.
	Adrienne Griffin.
	She had 12,700.
	Her response was the correct one.
	What is a glitch?
	John Glenn came up with that word, and you almost double your score.
	Oh, wonderful.
	John Glenn.
	Yes, he's to blame.
	He's to blame.
	I didn't realize that.
	I don't...
	I'm wondering if it's true.
	Oh, you questioned the Jeopardy?
	Yes, I do at this point.
	Oh, my goodness.
	I don't question the way they phrase that...
	The way they phrase that answer or question...
	You have to ask it as a...
	Maybe fine, but I'm not sure that the genesis of the word glitch comes from somebody just making it up out of the blue.
	Oh, that's...
	I don't know.
	I will dig into it.
	But regardless, when it comes to reporting to news, this is just not...
	In today's world, this is no longer acceptable as news reporting.
	You need to give...
	They could have at least said it was the point of sales system.
	They could have given us some information.
	It's just a glitch and then, ah, whatever.
	And these glitches, they're going to ruin your life.
	Too many glitches.
	We've got too many glitches.
	Yeah.
	And this situation with Target and the whole worldwide goes down.
	Yeah.
	Do we have any IT guys?
	I think we have a few guys named, dudes named Ben.
	Yeah, someone's got to know.
	They can maybe help us out here.
	Someone's got to have some ideas.
	Somebody has to, actually somebody in our audience knows what happened.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And they should be telling us.
	They should be sharing that information with us.
	Well, I've had a lot of glitches in the past 48 hours.
	As we were about two hours from Belfast, two hours north, north-north Northern Ireland, at a wedding destination, the Belle Isle Castle, where we were guests.
	Oh, it was the castle that was having the wedding.
	Yes, the castle that was having the wedding.
	Oh, I thought you were moving into the castle.
	No, it was the castle that had the wedding.
	And we were supposed to be there for me to do the show today.
	And it would have been really cool.
	And of course, I did some scouting ahead and made sure.
	I got multiple confirmations.
	The Wi-Fi is outstanding.
	And indeed, the Wi-Fi was outstanding.
	The problem was the connection to the internet from the Wi-Fi.
	So this castle was just in a no-go zone.
	There's no wired internet.
	They literally had an antenna on the roof getting their internet signal.
	I think it might have been some WiMAX type thing.
	You were misled.
	A little bit misled.
	If somebody says, is the Wi-Fi any good?
	We're not talking about the signal strength of the actual Wi-Fi.
	We're talking about this connectivity to the Internet.
	That's the whole point.
	Well, but it is a misnomer because, you know, as I'm troubleshooting this, then, you know, Tina would look at her stuff and say, well, I got full signal here.
	And of course, the Wi-Fi was outstanding.
	They had a great Wi-Fi system with repeaters everywhere.
	You could walk all over the ground.
	You had Wi-Fi.
	It just would drop the connection to the Internet.
	So we decided instead of staying the extra day, we got a crack of dawn and drove to Belfast and kind of just got the first hotel that I knew would, because it's a business center, business area, and it's the Titanic Hotel in Belfast, which is where the Titanic was built.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, this is where the White Star shipping line, and also, of course, was it the Olympia?
	What was the ship that actually sank, you know, the old switcheroo?
	Was it the Olympia?
	The Olympia was the hospital ship.
	The carbon copy of the...
	Yeah, the carbon copy.
	The one that was supposed to sing.
	Or whatever it was.
	I forget the complete conspiracy theory.
	I've never heard this.
	Oh, you've never heard this?
	Oh, no.
	Well, it's even better because this hotel is very modern and there's an expo center.
	There's a whole business center.
	They still build something here with ships.
	But what is the pure attraction is the Titanic Studios that are located right here.
	And do you know what they shoot in the Titanic Studios?
	Uh...
	Movies?
	Game of Thrones.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, that would pack them in.
	Oh, my goodness.
	There's Game of Thrones tours.
	Look at this.
	Go check that out.
	It's only 140 pounds.
	What?
	So, needless to say, we are not going to check out the Game of Thrones Expo.
	But the Wi-Fi is great, and it connects to the Internet, so I'm very, very happy.
	Very happy.
	Sounds good.
	Yes.
	Anyway, we did have a wonderful time.
	It was great up on the island.
	It was nice to be in the fresh air.
	I do have to say a couple things about leaving London.
	Before we left, what was that?
	Monday?
	No, what day are we now?
	No, Friday.
	We had the show Thursday.
	Yeah, Friday.
	Before we left, we did a little walk around.
	We had some time to basically to walk past Hyde Park up to Buckingham Palace.
	And I was very excited to show Tina something that I recall seeing when I was 15 years old when I went to London for the first time with my dad.
	And that was Speaker's Corner.
	Okay.
	Speaker's Corner is empty.
	There's no one there.
	No one speaks anymore on Speaker's Corner.
	But this is legendary.
	So Speaker's Corner is the one...
	It's not even the soapbox that used to be there.
	Now it's kind of a monument and it explains that in 1100 something or other they used to do public hangings there.
	Which is just a small step from a public hanging to free speech.
	It's about the same.
	And this became the place where you could exercise free speech.
	And I think it's still the only place in the UK where you actually can exercise 100% free speech.
	Because they don't have a constitution where this is protected.
	As far as I know.
	They have Magna Carta.
	No, they don't.
	It's not explicitly spelled out that the government cannot make any rules against the freedom of speech or freedom of the press.
	Which is what we have in the United States.
	So...
	Yeah, and people just giving up.
	They don't even go there anymore.
	You took her over there?
	Yeah.
	Look, this is Speaker's Corner.
	It's so cool.
	Sunday, some people show up for there.
	Well, it was disappointing.
	What was fantastic is we took a cab back from the London Eye to go get our suitcases.
	You didn't go in the London Eye, did you?
	Yeah, we sure did.
	An hour?
	What do you mean an hour?
	Isn't it an hour to go around that thing?
	No, it's like 20 minutes, 25 minutes.
	Oh.
	It's a nice photo op.
	Tina's never been to London, so it's perfect.
	Perfect photo op.
	Yeah, you get the view of the city.
	Although, you know, there's new buildings like the Shard.
	It's just that this is the tall building that looks like glass shards.
	That's now obfuscating the gherkin.
	The whole place is shamed.
	That was called the gherkin.
	Yeah, the gherkin is behind it.
	You can't see the gherkin anymore.
	Yeah, it's a shame.
	They should have blocked the building of the new building.
	So we took a cab back, and of course I'm not going to take any Ubers while I'm in London.
	We take a proper British cab.
	And if you've never been in a British cab, it's an interesting experience because the cabbie sits up front, obviously.
	He's kind of isolated, but he has an intercom system.
	And there's lights everywhere.
	It says, oh, when this red light is on, then the cabbie can hear you, and then he can speak back to you.
	And the windows were open, and it was difficult hearing him.
	Because it's just...
	It's a great gag.
	But there was a Telecoil logo in the cab, and I've never used this, so I switched my hearing aids to Telecoil, which is this induction-based system where just a wire in the cab will beam the audio into the hearing aids, and it worked really well.
	It was, like, magical.
	It's like, oh, all of a sudden, the guy's broadcasting right into my head.
	Yeah, it's really...
	And now it's like movie theaters.
	I'm switching to an elevator.
	Oh, telecoil.
	Let me turn it on.
	I've never heard of this.
	Well, you've seen the logos.
	You'll see them on ATMs.
	I may have, but I paid zero attention, obviously.
	Yeah, it's a loop system, an induction loop.
	Yeah, I know how it works.
	Not everybody knows how it works.
	I'm kind of surprised that these exist.
	Right.
	Well, they exist everywhere now.
	Now that I've noticed one, like, oh, this stuff is showing up everywhere.
	Yeah, but it works really well, which was the surprising part.
	Like, this will never work.
	But yeah, sure enough.
	And if you moved your head a little forward, then it would fade out.
	You know, you have to kind of be in the right spot.
	But it worked.
	It was nice.
	Which was a good feeling for what came next, which was the Gitmo Nation trip through EasyJet's The bag drop and boarding system.
	Holy crap!
	It's gotten really bad.
	I shall explain.
	Now, EasyJet is...
	I love EasyJet.
	I've always liked it.
	I've always liked their prices.
	I like...
	I don't know if Stavros or the guy's name is.
	The Greek guy, if he still owns it, runs it, whatever.
	But I've always liked their vibe.
	Kind of like Southwest, which I also like.
	Although you can reserve your seats.
	But you can no longer check in at the airport.
	You have to check in online, which for me was problem number one, because the way they ask you to do this is to download their app on your smartphone.
	No.
	I don't have an app and I don't have a smartphone, so the next thing you can do is you can print it out and take it with you, which in a hotel involves, because hotels don't seem to have printers anymore or business centers.
	You have to email it to the front desk.
	Yeah, I've noticed this too.
	Why is this?
	This is not a good development in my opinion.
	I don't know why.
	I mean, maybe people have been abusing it or they've been wrecking the gear.
	I'm kind of baffled by it myself.
	I mean, some hotels obviously still do.
	Not everybody's bailed out, but a lot of them have like, oh, there's a computer over there, and then you go over there, it doesn't work.
	Right.
	I think that people don't have a requirement for printing anything anymore.
	Everything's digital.
	Just wait until the glitches start to happen, people.
	All right.
	Yeah, this is...
	Ah, good point.
	Paperless.
	I've noticed this.
	Before you know it, there'll be no toilet paper.
	There's more and more people flashing their phones.
	They put the little boarding pass on their phone, and they go underneath the light.
	And it seems to work a lot, and then it doesn't work for some people.
	And I find it to be risky, personally.
	Well, so here's the process.
	So I had it printed out.
	And by the way, Tina has her iPhone with her, which she needs for work purposes, but she refuses to download any app from some outfit.
	You're not going to put the EasyJet app on your phone.
	The app is where all the spying takes place.
	So I print out the boarding passes.
	And then we go to EasyJet.
	And EasyJet has a new system where you drop your bag.
	But you can't just drop your bag.
	Oh, no.
	You need to put your passport in first.
	So it can scan your passport.
	Then you put the bags on.
	Then it says, look here, scans your face.
	So now we've made the connection between your passport, official document, photo, and your face.
	So, thank you very much.
	Now you're in the system.
	And then you go to the boarding gates.
	You go through the security, which I have to say security was reasonably easy or at least pleasant.
	They had to open up all my bags as usual because, you know, hey, looks like that guy's got a vibrator in there.
	Let's get it.
	It's embarrassing.
	And it's always the microphone.
	And...
	Then you go to your gate.
	There's no more gate checking.
	There's no person.
	You go through another scanner where you scan your boarding card, your boarding pass, or my printed boarding pass in this case, and again, it has to identify that you're the one, and it takes another picture of you, another facial recognition shot, and then you just walk onto the plane.
	So now my face, my, you know, connected to my passport is in the system.
	And no one asked me that.
	There's no disclaimer.
	There's no, hey, just so you know, here's what we're going to use, terms and conditions.
	None of that.
	Did you think of making a goofy face?
	Yeah, and you know what?
	First I had my glasses on, and then it wouldn't do anything.
	It just sat there, and the way the camera works, it's on a pole, and it will automatically slide up to your eye height, and it flashes like, look here, look here, slave, look here!
	And then it says, look again, keep looking!
	And nothing's happening, and someone apparently minding the process says, take off your glasses!
	You take your glasses off and then it finally figured out who I was.
	No, you can make all the stupid faces you want, but it won't connect you to what it has in its system, which is based on your passport photo.
	Well, this is a lousy system.
	I've gone through these systems, and if you're wearing glasses, it shouldn't make a difference.
	No, it doesn't work at all.
	Oh, that's a cheap-ass system they're using.
	So I look this up, and this is from the UK, gov.uk.
	This implementation, let me see, here's Gatwick Airport and EasyJet.
	This is from May, so this is a year ago.
	Launch biometric technology trial!
	Gatwick Airport has launched an end-to-end biometrics trial where personal data collected at the airport's self-service bag drops will be recognized by new automated self-boarding gates.
	The technology aims to simplify and speed up the process for passengers and reduce the risk of human error.
	And again, there's no real, you know, where's my general data protection rules?
	You know, where do I get to opt in?
	Where do I get to say I agree to this egregious process?
	And so, if this is now how they are going to...
	Help you travel.
	Help you travel.
	Wait for the glitch, bitch!
	Wait for the glitch, bitch!
	It's going to screw up your travel like no one else's business.
	It won't take much.
	Especially with an outfit like EasyJet.
	Your little camera at the end before the gate.
	Yeah.
	So you put your stand in there and there's this camera...
	No, first you're in the queue.
	You're in the queue.
	There's a queue.
	A queue.
	But the camera...
	Each person goes and looks at it and then they go in.
	No, you walk...
	No, you walk...
	No, you walk up to the...
	There's like a gate...
	You know, like a sheep before you get the probe in your neck to electrocute you.
	Yeah, the slaughter gate.
	Yeah, so then first you have to put your boarding pass, or your phone, I guess, but I had the printing boarding pass, on the scanner, and then it goes, okay, this is who this has to be, and then the camera directs you to look at it.
	And then it makes the connection that you are the guy who dropped the bag off under this boarding pass and you are the guy who dropped the bag off who is this person on your passport.
	Which is...
	And then what?
	And then it opens and then you can get on.
	Oh, there's something that opens?
	Oh, yeah.
	It's just like the tube.
	So you just can't go barreling on?
	No.
	You know the tube where you get off the tube?
	This is another thing people may not know.
	If you travel by train in the United Kingdom, And you buy your ticket.
	Don't discard the ticket after it's been checked on the train.
	This is a mistake.
	This is a travel tip.
	People do this often.
	Because in most normal countries, like, okay, I'm done.
	I got it checked.
	And you just don't, you forget about it.
	You cannot get out of the train station.
	There's turnstiles that will prohibit you from leaving unless you insert your ticket, which you just used for your trip.
	Then it will let you out.
	Yeah, it's like BART. Does BART have that?
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, you have to check in with the thing and then you check out with the thing.
	Right.
	And I understand when people are checking in, checking out with a pass, like an easy rail pass, that is a touch to identify.
	This is a paper ticket.
	Yeah, it's the same with the original part.
	That little paper thing.
	So the same type of slaughter gate is what you have to go to the airplane.
	It will not open until it's approved, yo!
	It just really irked me.
	It really pissed me off.
	Did not like this at all.
	Well, it's not going to get any better, so you're going to just get more and more irked.
	Yes.
	Well, I just find that, and I'm sure that, you know, this is what the TSA is talking about, but it's the airline that's doing this.
	That's the part.
	This is a commercial company who now has all my biometrics, or certainly some biometrics.
	Yeah.
	But I don't like it.
	And nowhere do I see, and, oh, don't worry, we'll take care of it.
	They could get hacked.
	They hacked my face.
	Well, let's see.
	The next step, of course, will be you have to put your palm down and scan your hand.
	Oh, yeah.
	In addition to your face.
	Before we get to the actual implant.
	And then they could hack your face.
	Before we get to the chip implant, we have to do the palm.
	Yeah.
	That's the next step.
	They could hack your face and there'd be some phony baloney out there that's, you know...
	Somehow, I think you could – it seems to me there are a finite number of points that are checked on the face when they do the facial recognition software.
	And there's probably a way of gobbing somebody up with – With paint and pieces of clay and whatever to get the exact same number.
	Don't you think?
	No.
	Don't you think it's possible?
	No.
	I think facial recognition is pretty advanced and I think these guys have got it down.
	I bet you could hack it.
	Yeah, well, how long is it going to last?
	I'm giving that up.
	Here's my point.
	In the past week, we've heard about multiple airlines grounding their flights because their transponder systems were not working.
	They could not acquire a GPS signal.
	What had happened is aircraft outfitted with Collins ADS-B aircraft, Navigation and transponder equipment received an over-the-air update, which bricked their...
	Well, it didn't brick it, but it broke their system.
	Yeah.
	So that's just one example of a glitch reported as such, a glitch that ruined people's air travel.
	Then you have Target.
	Target glitch ruined your purchasing process.
	Just wait until something happens to the facial recognition database at your favorite airline.
	These things will stack up.
	It's going to be like dominoes.
	I can't understand why people don't see that this is just prone for badness.
	Bad, bad, bad experience.
	It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
	But I think the big glitch, the major glitch, the whopper, is going to supersede everything you said, and that is the automated update of Windows Worldwide.
	Windows.
	Yeah.
	That brings down everything.
	That's the mother load.
	That's the one we've been waiting for.
	Of course it's going to happen.
	And it's going to happen.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Of course it will.
	And I remember when this began, just as a little story here.
	All right.
	This was during the era of MSN when Microsoft decided to compete with AOL. And they came up with their product MSN, which very slowly deteriorated into all sorts of things.
	It wasn't supposed to be.
	It was supposed to be an AOL clone.
	But it was poorly done and poorly implemented and not well thought out.
	It was dumb in every way.
	But Microsoft was hoping to...
	They kept watching how AOL did these automatic updates.
	Mm-hmm.
	Because AOL would do that.
	They would just, all of a sudden, they'd just update, and you'd have no control over this.
	You couldn't stop it.
	You couldn't wait.
	You couldn't say, I'll do it tomorrow.
	You couldn't do anything.
	Right, right, right.
	Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
	Oh, I remember that.
	Yeah, it would take hours sometimes, especially if you hadn't logged on in a while.
	Yeah, Microsoft looked at this and said, you know, our life would be so much easier when it's support if everybody was on the exact same version.
	So if we could do what AOL does, and they were always jealous of AOL, and they've been trying to get to that point where they could do a giant...
	And they just thought it was a means to an end to do these automatic updates.
	And they do them kind of now, but they kind of spread them out a little bit.
	And they used to be Patch Tuesday, which is now devolved into whatever the hell it is.
	I don't even know what they're doing.
	But they want to do this.
	So one of these days, it's going to happen.
	They're going to do a...
	They're going to have the be-all, end-all, Microsoft patch, and it's going to bring every system down.
	It's going to break people.
	Yeah, the world.
	Country, the world.
	The world.
	The entire world will go down.
	So just along these lines, I happen to have two clips from Amazon.
	The first is with their chief technology officer, who I know, Werner Fogles, because he's a Dutch guy, and he's a really nice guy.
	But here he is defending facial recognition, their technology, which, as we know, is being used quite extensively in many of their products, their Alexa video thing, and, of course, their ring doorbell, and But it's great!
	I don't think we're pushing it.
	I think we have built a really great product.
	And, you know, I like the guy.
	It's so hard for me not to make fun of how he's speaking because it's just fucking funny how he does that.
	But anyway, let's go on.
	I don't think we're pushing it.
	I think we have built a really great product and it's up for our customers to decide whether they want to use the product or not.
	All of this comes down to how to fine-tune the model.
	Yeah, and if customers are actually having a particular data set and really tune the model really well, it can work really well.
	I think some would look at the tuning of the technology as a part of the process that right now is hurting certain people's individual rights.
	If police forces are using your technology and it's not fully ready, as you yourself just shared, is tuning the technology worth it if that's what it means to people, real people in the world?
	That's not my decision to make.
	Some people might think it would be Amazon's decision.
	Let's say your storage engine can be used for very good use, can be used by bad actors.
	Equally.
	Does that mean we should not be offering storage technology?
	No.
	The fact that this technology has been used for good in many places, it's in society's To actually decide which technology is applicable under which conditions.
	And as such, it's a societal discourse and decision and policymaking that needs to happen there to decide where can you apply which technologies.
	If I think about the simplest answer there is if you look at steel, massive steel mills, They build incubators where young-born babies can be healthy, and we also make guns with steel.
	As a society, we decide what is acceptable use and what is not.
	And that's pretty much the responsibility that Silicon Valley takes over what they create.
	Hey, it's society's problem, not ours.
	We make steel.
	We just make steel.
	You can make a gun out of it, whatever you want.
	Incubator.
	Reprehensible.
	It's very cavalier.
	That is absolutely true.
	It's cavalier, though.
	It's cavalier.
	Of course it is.
	It's cavalier.
	When you're making money hand over fist, you can be cavalier, and that's what you do.
	Speaking of your architecture that couldn't survive a glitch, holy crap, Amazon Web Services goes down.
	You can kiss a lot goodbye.
	Quite a lot.
	I believe that...
	I believe.
	I don't know.
	I believe.
	You should say I do believe.
	I have a hard time saying I do believe.
	I know that.
	But I do believe that Amazon is architected With a lot of redundancy that make it almost impossible for the whole thing to go down.
	Sure.
	And cause this kind of problem.
	Which is different than Microsoft bricking all the Windows machines out in the world.
	Because nobody's, there's no, I don't have a redundant, I have a couple Windows machines.
	And I could easily take, I could like get one bricked and then take the other ones offline if I came to the realization of what was going on.
	Which I probably wouldn't.
	I'd be dicking around trying to fix it.
	And I could use the machines while they were not hooked to the internet.
	But I don't see any way...
	There's no redundancy the way that a big central system would have or should have.
	And I'm sure has.
	So I'm less concerned about AWS than I am about these Windows updates.
	Well, while...
	And I believe...
	I do believe...
	I do believe that governments should be very involved with this technology and looking very closely at how it's being used and what the implications are.
	And perhaps there's some things that should be legislated.
	I definitely am concerned about data theft.
	Theft of my face.
	Face theft.
	Someone could just steal my face and then use that everywhere.
	Who knows?
	We're just beginning with this.
	Now, instead, everyone's all jacked up and jitty about deep fakes, and I need to really call out NPR, and maybe I'm just...
	Maybe it's just me.
	Yeah.
	No, it's not.
	Listen to this story.
	Now, we have two government officials.
	We've got Warner calling for legislation of deep fakes, and I think Schiff is more interesting.
	And this is a report from NPR. And listen very carefully.
	NPR is still radio, right?
	It's not video.
	It's radio.
	Yes, radio is still radio.
	It's podcasting and radio, which is repurposed radio.
	Well, listen to this story.
	What you will hear next was never actually said.
	It looks like a Facebook office.
	It looks like Mark Zuckerberg giving an interview.
	It looks like his mouth is moving along with the words.
	One man with total control of billions of people's stolen data.
	All their secrets, their lives, their futures.
	But that wasn't the founder of Facebook.
	But I do not understand how when you're listening to something, you can say that this sounds like Mark Zuckerberg.
	Because it does not.
	You played a deepfake the other day, and now I... I played that exact one.
	Right.
	So let me play Zuckerberg.
	Now, at the same time...
	It's important not to lose sight of some of the more straightforward and larger ways that Facebook plays a role in elections.
	How the hell does that sound like this?
	Imagine this for a second.
	One man...
	It's not even the right inflection.
	No, the inflections are wrong.
	Everything's wrong.
	I know where the connection is, I think.
	When you see the video, people go...
	It's like when we look at CSI and we hear the...
	We talked about this in the last show.
	I know, but I want to say it again.
	Let me just say something.
	Which is, I think, there's a little gravelly aspect to his voice, and I think they captured that.
	It's not even fucking close.
	It's not.
	But you just think it's not even in the same league.
	No, it's not in the same league at all.
	When you see the video, apparently NPR gets as stupid as everybody else.
	Oh, that must be Zuckerberg.
	It's not.
	There are voice actors who do a better job than this.
	I would agree.
	Well, that's true.
	In fact, the Obama one that is floating around was actually done by Peel, the movie guy.
	Yeah, sure.
	He does a good impression of Obama, and they just made Obama's mouth move around a little differently, which was pretty poorly done.
	And he did the voice, and it sounded, oh, there's Obama.
	But that could be...
	Actually, both of these could be, if you went through one of those voice systems.
	How come one of these reporters hasn't done this?
	Thank you.
	Here's my point as we deconstruct this.
	How is it possible that NPR does a minute and a half report, I'm going to play the whole report, that no one thought to listen to what Zuckerberg sounds like?
	Because it's not him.
	And this, oh my god, it's machine learning and all kinds of deep fakes.
	It's amazing!
	I can't believe it's so realistic!
	It's not realistic.
	You can get, there's probably a hundred people you could hire to do a better job for your deepfake.
	But now, somehow, there's this illusion being created, which we need to legislate, clearly, that machine learning can create deepfakes.
	Again, the real Zuckerberg.
	These effects operate at much larger scales of a hundred times or a thousand times bigger than what we're discussing here today.
	And here's the deepfake.
	...along with the words.
	Imagine this for a second.
	One man with total control of billions of people's stolen data.
	All their secrets, their lives, their futures.
	Many of these dynamics were new in this election, and at a much larger scale than had ever been seen before in history.
	But that wasn't the founder of Facebook.
	It was instead a deepfake created by an artist in the UK and posted on Instagram.
	This technology is quickly becoming a national security concern.
	Bullshit!
	The House Intelligence Committee held a hearing Thursday warning of the threat.
	With sufficient training data, these powerful deepfake generating algorithms can portray a real person doing something they never did or saying words they never uttered.
	That's Committee Chairman Adam Schiff.
	The disaster scenarios are obvious.
	A deepfake showing a 2020 candidate inciting violence against an ethnic group or false audio of a military official giving orders to mass troops at a border.
	How come no one ever said, oh my goodness, a voice actor could do this?
	Oh, we need laws against acting!
	There is no easy solution.
	Up until now, social media companies have a general legal immunity to content posted on their platform.
	But that may be changing.
	Listen to this question from Schiff.
	Is it time to do away with that immunity so that the platforms are required to maintain a certain standard of care?
	Any effort addressing the threat of deepfix involves increasing public awareness.
	But even this poses a problem.
	It's called the liar's dividend.
	Here's Citrin explaining what that is.
	Once you get everyone all educated, then, you know, you have wrongdoers point to real video, genuine audio and video that show them doing something illegal or wrong, right?
	And they get to say, ah, it's a deep fake.
	Pay no attention.
	These technologies are evolving rapidly to the point that almost anyone can use it.
	Here's Lindsay Gorman, the Fellow for Emerging Technologies at the Alliance for Securing Democracy.
	What used to be something that was available only to sophisticated machine learning experts is now becoming available to the general public.
	So, as the witnesses to Thursday's committee hearing attest, it may only be a matter of time until deepfakes affect our politics and our national security.
	I mean, it's just so, it's so ludicrous.
	And that NPR, an audio programming outfit, Says, oh my goodness, that's just like Zuckerberg.
	Can't you hear it?
	Here's another.
	These guys, I don't understand if you're going to do a long report like this and look into this, especially if you're going to be panicky and hand-wringing and sounding like an old woman.
	Why you don't bring it?
	Aren't journalists, I'm asking you, I can answer this.
	Why aren't journalists doing what you're supposed to do, which is have...
	You know, competing opinions.
	Here's the yes, the no, and the maybe.
	And bring out the guy who's a voice gram guy.
	A guy can run it through a machine and say, this is clearly not Zuckerberg's voice.
	Problem solved.
	We noticed that video had taken over people's brains many years ago.
	We don't do it anymore.
	I just grabbed one, a 20-second clip.
	We used to play clips called bad acting clips.
	You, John, in particular, you take a clip from a television show, CSI as an example, and you just listen to the audio, and then you hear how bad the acting is.
	Why can't you just love her?
	She's so easy to love.
	You know nothing about my daughter.
	You hear me?
	Nothing!
	I know that she is good and strong and deserves all the love this world has to give.
	Can't you see that?
	Sounds so believable.
	I mean, that is totally...
	That's a great clip.
	That's Emmy award-winning shit right there, ladies and gentlemen.
	People are losing the ability to hear.
	Anyway, Warner, he's a senator, right?
	Senator Warner?
	Yeah, I believe so.
	He ties this deepfake thing into, oh, we need to legislate, because this is about legislating.
	Now, they're only saying social media.
	I have no idea where you probably would want to think about legislating the technology, but okay, I guess social media, they want to take away the Section 203.
	They're doing it in a very stupid way.
	And this is...
	Well, you'll hear it.
	Trump in 2016, he may have been a naive candidate then, but he welcomed Russia.
	If they got dirt on Clinton, lay it out.
	Well, you would have thought after two and a half years in office, he would have learned that that's not appropriate behavior.
	This man has so little moral center that he doesn't understand...
	If taking help from a foreign government is wrong, then we need to put in place a law that would say if a foreign government tries to intervene in the election in a presidential campaign, the campaign has an affirmative obligation to report that to the FBI. There's been lots of concern voiced by a lot of my Republican partners that they know our election system is not safe in 2020.
	And I think the least we should do is put this law in place that would say, you've got to report to the FBI if we've got foreign agents intervening.
	Secondly, let's pass an election security law to make sure there's a paper trail after every vote so people have belief in the integrity of their vote.
	And third, let's go ahead and put some guardrails around some of these social media companies so you cannot use deep fake technology or create fake personas the way the Russians did on Facebook in 2016.
	What?!
	What?
	The Russians used deepfakes all of a sudden?
	Holy mackerel, talking about jumping to conclusions.
	It's ludicrous.
	So the reporter talking to him asked him immediately what were the deepfakes that the Russians did to get a response, right?
	No, they went straight to another topic on the show.
	No, of course not.
	I would have asked him what deepfakes were involved in the 2016 campaign specifically.
	And then what would he say?
	What is wrong with these reporters?
	This is great stuff.
	So this backs into this interview that President Trump did with George Stephanopoulos.
	Where...
	And to me it was just one big troll.
	It was like, well, you know, if I got some oppo research on...
	I'm not going to call the FBI. I'm going to take a look at the oppo research first.
	And everybody's freaking out.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no, no.
	If you get information from the Russians or from the British, I guess that's also a foreign government.
	The British, the Canadians.
	The Canadians, the Italians.
	You need to report that to the FBI. Exactly like, you know, the Democrats didn't do.
	So they're trying to back this into a law, and in fact it is Senate Bill 1247, the Duty to Report Act.
	And here is Pansy Explosy explaining.
	So that is part of our legislate, investigate, litigate.
	What did she say?
	Did you say Nancy Explosy?
	No, Pansy Explosy.
	Oh, Pansy.
	So that is part of our legislate, investigate, litigate.
	Legislate, investigate, litigate.
	What is she talking about?
	Well, here you come.
	Agenda.
	We're doing this and at the same time, we are honoring our oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution.
	You see, she's introducing a bill, or the concept of this bill that's now running through the Senate.
	And she's trying to say, this is our responsibility, is legislate, investigate, and what was the third one?
	Litigate.
	Litigate.
	That apparently is her job now.
	That is the job of everybody in Congress.
	The United States.
	Yesterday, the President gave us once again evidence that he does not know right from wrong.
	It's a very sad thing.
	Very sad thing that he does not know right from wrong.
	I believe that he has been involved in a criminal cover-up.
	I've said that before.
	And our investigation is demonstrating that.
	The Mueller report showed.
	Now, listen to the flub.
	Obstruction of justice in at least 10, perhaps 11 places.
	But for the president to be so cavalier, to disregard, to be indifferent to law and any sense of ethics.
	About who we are as a country to say he would invite foreign intervention further.
	The intelligence community with great confidence has put forth that the Russians interfered in our election.
	That's an assault on our democracy.
	An assault on our democracy, this president says, it's a hoax.
	He suppose that he takes an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, but I guess it doesn't include him in terms of being To be held accountable to obey the law.
	So we have a package that we're putting forth in light of the Mueller report, a package of legislation, duty report.
	Someone comes to you mandating that campaigns report foreign offers of assistance.
	So, she is now taking oppo research, which is what the president discussed multiple times.
	She actually says the word oppo, and then she turns it into something else.
	Legislation duty report.
	If someone comes to you for mandating that campaigns report foreign offers of assistance.
	Oh, instead of oppo offers.
	It shouldn't even...
	It's so self-evident as a matter of ethics, but we'll have to codify it.
	These people are so stupid.
	How does this even work with the Steele dossier?
	Well, this is why I think it's trolling, because this is exactly what happened.
	They took oppo research, I'm sorry, offers from a foreign country, Literally, from a British spy, and there was involvement from Italy and Australia and Russia, and now they're going to create a law against it.
	I can actually tell you a little bit about the text of this.
	I don't know if this is going to pass or not.
	It's the Duty to Report Act, which they just pulled out of their butts.
	I want to mention something.
	Unfortunately, we should play the entire clip, and I keep forgetting to get it, the Stephanopoulos thing with Trump, because Trump's having a normal conversation with him as though he's a person.
	I actually expected you would have it.
	That's why I didn't pull it.
	I expected that I would have it too, and I expected I would have it for the last show.
	Wrong with you.
	It happened on Wednesday of last week.
	I know.
	It's so disappointing.
	We're taking forever to get to this.
	But I do remember a couple of points in there, and Trump With shrugging his shoulders and he says to Stepanovich with great honesty, you know, I've never called the FBI. Right.
	And I was thinking about it.
	Have you ever called the FBI? No.
	To report something?
	No.
	What is their number?
	1-800-CALL-FBI? 1-800-FBI. I've never called the FBI to report something.
	I don't know who's ever called the FBI. It's just like they do their own thing.
	But...
	Then I'm reminded of Thomas Drake, the NSA whistleblower, who said, he says at the beginning of all his speeches, do not talk to the FBI ever!
	Ever, ever, exactly.
	Yeah, you can get in big trouble with stuff you say.
	Yeah, I mean, Flynn talked to the FBI. Look what happened to him.
	So here is this Senate Bill 1247.
	And they kind of try to make this oppo research sound like it would be something that was given to you.
	Let me see.
	Here we have...
	In general, if a political committee or applicable individual receives an offer, orally in writing or otherwise, of a prohibited contribution, donation, expenditure, or disbursement, the committee or applicable individual shall, within 24 hours of receiving the offer,
	report to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, to the extent known, the name, address, and nationality of the forum national making the offer, the amount and type of contribution, donation, expenditure, or disbursement, In general, it should be unlawful to knowingly and willingly fail to comply with this subsection.
	Oh, this could be a nightmare if you think about somebody...
	It's impossible to do.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, think about somebody being spammed by fake offers.
	Oh, sure.
	From foreign governments, just...
	Keep sending him in and if they don't report him, you know, you can bust him.
	And I like how they add in here the definition of applicable individual who has the duty to report means an agent of a political committee, a candidate, an individual who is an immediate family member of a candidate, hello Donald Jr., or any individual affiliated with a campaign of a candidate.
	An immediate family member, individual affiliated with the campaign.
	For this purposes, the term immediate family member means with respect to a candidate, parent, parent-in-law, spouse, adult, child, sibling, and...
	And it goes on and on and on.
	But this really invites entrapment.
	It's big time!
	I don't know if this will pass.
	They probably won't.
	It's kind of dumb.
	There's already laws on the books.
	But it's just so funny to me.
	That they, you know, they're all outraged by this.
	And, you know, it is disappointing.
	Neither of us got this clip.
	It's about opposition research.
	And they're all outraged that the president said, nah, I'll take it.
	Everyone else does.
	Everyone does this.
	That's why it has a name, Oppo Research.
	Everybody knows this.
	I'll take it.
	Oh, he's above the law, breaking the law.
	Oh, they've gone berserk over this.
	It's unbelievable.
	Nuts.
	But it's like one of their things.
	They're looking for these...
	I don't know.
	They hope that these things hit the home run or something.
	I'm not sure.
	I have no idea, but it's...
	I mean, is anyone running the country anymore?
	What are we doing?
	I... No.
	No one's running the country.
	Which is, in my opinion, of course, a good thing.
	Let's take a look at...
	Just catch up with...
	I got nothing to say.
	That's a good thing, I guess.
	It is a good thing.
	What are we catching up with?
	Let's do the Trump campaign outlines on CBS. Okie dokie.
	President Trump is getting ready to kick off his re-election campaign, but just days before Mr.
	Trump's announcement that he'll seek a second term, some opponents are trying to keep him from finishing this one, calling on Congress to launch impeachment proceedings.
	Nicole Killian is at the White House.
	President Trump spent part of his birthday weekend at the golf course, ready to take a campaign swing to Florida Tuesday to launch his re-election.
	He started making his case for 2020 on Twitter, writing, The Trump economy is setting records and has a long way up to go.
	However, if anyone but me takes over in 2020, there will be a market crash, the likes of which has not been seen before.
	He added, We are doing great in the polls, even better than in 2016, and will be packed at the Tuesday announcement rally.
	We've had over 100,000 RSVPs so far.
	They keep coming in every single day.
	What does that tell you about enthusiasm?
	I think it means the enthusiasm is pretty good out there.
	But at rallies across the country, protesters sounded more calls for the president's impeachment.
	And we must begin it now!
	And he continued to take heat for these comments to ABC News.
	If someone else offers you information on opponents, should they accept it or should they call the FBI? I think maybe you do both.
	I think you might want to listen.
	Despite trying to walk them back...
	I reported to the Attorney General, the FBI... Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg tells Face the Nation's Margaret Brennan the president should draw a clear line.
	If you think there's a foreign effort to tamper with an American election and you're an American who cares about America, you call the FBI. This shouldn't be hard.
	The president and his campaign team dispute some polls that show him trailing key Democrats like frontrunner Joe Biden.
	A Trump advisor tells CBS News expect the president to unleash more attacks against the former vice president as he jumps into full campaign mode.
	Rena?
	Nicole Killian at the White House.
	I mean, can you imagine if a bill like this passed?
	The FBI would be overwhelmed if people actually stuck to it.
	Well, now that I think about it, I did try to call the FBI once.
	It had to do with these robocalls or something along those lines.
	And so you go to the FBI to find who to call and there's nobody to call.
	But they say, if you have this problem, there's some scam, go here and you go to a website.
	And then the website gives you a bunch of instructions that are just like too much for anybody in their right mind to do.
	They obviously do not want to be contacted on every little stupid thing.
	Call your local police is their attitude.
	And it's apparent that the FBI would be against this because they would be just swamped with bull crap.
	The way I read the proposed bill, I mean...
	People in Congress receive...
	I mean, it's lobbying.
	Lobbyists contact them all the time.
	Just by the definition of the bill, you could say that a lot of these lobbyists are trying to interfere.
	Hey, here's what I'd like to have done.
	It just makes no sense.
	Especially with the lobbyists that you mentioned.
	There's a lot of...
	Foreign agent lobbyists.
	They're crawling all over the place.
	They're from every country in the world.
	Luckily, though, everyone voted for a salary increase, so they won't have to take money from lobbyists.
	They won't have to do insider trading, as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said.
	No, what it does is it gives them more money to trade with.
	Hey, get another $4,500 to buy some puts.
	Let's go long.
	Oh, man.
	So I just embrace some news that none of the media is picking up on.
	All right.
	And I got a kick out of it when I spotted it, and I thought it would be something worth listening to.
	O.J. Simpsons decided to go on Twitter.
	Yes.
	Hey, Twitter world, this is yours truly.
	Now, coming soon to Twitter, you'll get to read all my thoughts and opinions on just about everything.
	Now, there's a lot of fake O.J. accounts out there, so this one, at the real O.J. 32, is the only official one.
	So, this should be a lot of fun.
	Don't get an even to do.
	So, God bless.
	Take care.
	It's getting even with somebody.
	Here's the second post.
	He's done two now.
	Hey, Twitter world.
	You know, for years, people have been able to say whatever they want to say about me with no accountability.
	But now I get to challenge a lot of that BS and set the record straight.
	More importantly, I'll be able to talk about everything, especially sports, fantasy football, and even politics.
	But for now, let me just say to my fellow fathers out there, happy Father's Day, and God bless.
	So, uh, this is a new low for Twitter.
	And where's his blue checkmark?
	Oh, he doesn't have a checkmark?
	No!
	We need to start a campaign.
	Get OJ a checkmark.
	So he puts up these two posts and he's already up to $325,000.
	Verify OJ. Hashtag verify OJ. He'll be over a million shortly to do these half-drunken kind of rants or whatever.
	He's going to get back at some people.
	Is he a boozer?
	Is he a drinker?
	This is going to be great.
	Is he a drinker?
	Is he a drinker?
	I don't know, but he's getting old.
	He could be just old age.
	But whatever the case, this is going to be great.
	And I think it marks a new low for Twitter.
	And the media has refused to cover the story.
	Can I offer some advice to some colleagues out there?
	I would like to offer advice to Spotify, Pandora, Gimlet.
	This is the guy you want to do a podcast with.
	This is the podcast you want on your network.
	You want the OJ cast.
	That is money in the bank, people.
	I agree.
	As sick as it is, it's exactly true.
	Shoot, maybe we should just produce it.
	Well, let's get a hold of him.
	You can be sure he's got a bunch of scammers.
	DM him.
	DM at the real OJ32. Go on, John.
	You're the sports guy.
	Everybody knows.
	He knows you.
	The juice.
	Yes.
	The juice is loose.
	The juice pot.
	The juice cast.
	Juice cast.
	I'm seeing it.
	I'm seeing some great ads.
	A lot of good ads.
	Some great products.
	Definitely a lot of publicity.
	Ginsu knife set.
	A lot of hate.
	A lot of hate.
	We do Ginsu knife sets.
	Have that as an ad.
	Why don't you call it the murder cast?
	By the way, I'm a little disappointed you've not talked about the biggest sports story of the decade.
	Curry lets it fly!
	Canada!
	The NBA title is yours!
	The Toronto Raptors are the 2019 NBA champions!
	Yes!
	Golden State Warriors suck!
	I missed that game.
	So what happened again?
	The Raptors?
	Who are they?
	I hear Scandinavia kicked your ass, Golden State.
	How disappointing is that?
	And why is Canada in the NBA? How does that work?
	You know, this came up at the table the other day, and people don't realize that basketball was invented in Canada.
	Oh.
	And to follow that up, the first NBA game in history was first played in Toronto.
	Huh.
	So that's why.
	They probably could use a couple of teams.
	They could use one on the West Coast.
	I did not realize that.
	So Canada invented basketball?
	This came up in all those games they were playing over and over again, yeah.
	Huh.
	Alright, well...
	I thought it was invented by John Naysmith, as I recall, but...
	Naysmith, Naysmith, Naysmith, not Naysmith.
	Naysmith, you know more than I do.
	No, I'm reading the troll room.
	Naysmith is like some sort of biscuit, I believe.
	I have the troll room open, that's how I... No, the biscuit is like some biscuit.
	How could you, for a second, think I knew more about sports than you?
	That just isn't logical.
	You surprised me, that's why.
	Anyway, back to...
	You could be a closet sports junkie for all I know.
	Back to...
	I think the Glovecast maybe is a better name for the OJ. Oh, the Glovecast.
	We are so sick.
	Yes, podcast, ladies and gentlemen.
	They're taking over the world.
	Witness the BBC. Back in the real world, it was announced today that this show is being replaced in the autumn by a podcast.
	No, no.
	A podcast.
	I mean, there's no limit to the depths of depravity to which BBC schedulers are prepared to stand.
	What is a podcast anyway?
	I mean, what is a podcast?
	If God had meant pods to be cast, he wouldn't have invented the wireless.
	The good news is, it's free.
	That's one of my favorite clips of the week.
	Depravity.
	And I got an ISO. A podcast!
	I just love the...
	This is how he's so denigrating, this guy.
	That's a...
	What's it?
	Andrew Neal, whatever his name is.
	Andy Neal.
	It's an old fart.
	Just that beginning again.
	Back in the real world, it was announced today that this show is being replaced in the autumn by a podcast.
	A podcast!
	I mean, there's no limit to the depths of depravity to which BBC schedulers are prepared to sink.
	It makes me so proud.
	I'm very, very proud of that.
	I would give you a clip of the day, but I'm not going to.
	And with that, I would like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in Canadian basketball, John C. Dvorak.
	Well, in the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	Also in the morning to all the ships at sea.
	And the boots on the ground and the subs in the water and all the dames and all the knights out there.
	And in the morning to our trolls.
	We got a lot of them.
	The trolls are in the troll room.
	You can find them at noagendastream.com where you can also listen live to the program.
	And there's many programs.
	It's 24-7.
	So there's always someone in there listening, commenting, trolling.
	And we're not bashful about it.
	It's trolls.
	So go in there.
	Show your best trollage.
	noagendastream.com And We also like to say in the morning to CSB. I think CSB has changed his name on the art generator.
	I didn't know you could do that.
	Yeah, you can, apparently.
	And he's...
	What is his name, then?
	Wait, let me guess.
	Charlie...
	Charlie...
	Sierra?
	Smith...
	Bravo.
	Bingham.
	Well, it turns out the name CSB has now been hijacked by some dude named Comic Strip Blogger.
	Oh, no.
	And...
	He was very mad at you, because you apparently have blocked him on Twitter, so...
	Yeah, well, that's because he was...
	Well, not that I don't like the guy.
	Yeah, you blocked him, though.
	That's not a real likable thing to do.
	Well, you know, he was...
	I was getting too much material from him that wasn't valid.
	Stop with all the great material is what you're saying.
	That's what a block means to you.
	It's just too much good material.
	Please, I have to slow you down.
	I'm not there to...
	I'm just there to...
	I don't know why I'm there.
	I don't even know why I go on Twitter.
	I should get off of it.
	Well, this was the artwork for episode 1146.
	The title of that was Googers, and CSB, a.k.a. comic shirt blogger, did a great piece of art.
	It was the Fort Trump logo.
	It was nice.
	It was done with kind of pixelated camouflage background, and it made sense in context of the episode that we had, and we appreciate it.
	It's noagendaartgenerator.com where you can see all the artwork that's submitted, where you can submit artwork, and lots of people do.
	And we always have to make a very difficult choice, and it was the CSBs who we chose.
	And again, thank you.
	It's part of our value for value model.
	It really helps when we have fresh artwork to show because it catches people's eye where they find podcasts everywhere.
	So thank you.
	Well, we have three executive producers and again, no associates for some reason.
	Wow, second time in a row.
	This is odd.
	Yeah, also this is the second time in a row that we have no checks that are over $50 that came in.
	In fact, the pile of checks is very small.
	It doesn't make a lot of sense to me unless maybe that's the way the intelligence agencies are sending us money.
	Oh, they send checks and we're not doing it right?
	We're not doing their bidding.
	I don't know what it is we said wrong.
	But the top of the list is, in fact, I have the bonus clip.
	This is Sir Dave Fugazotto.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Where was your bonus clip?
	I didn't listen to your bonus clip, so I didn't know what it was.
	Fugazotto!
	Now I know what it is.
	Let's just make sure we recognize that name again.
	Fugazotto!
	All right, Sir Dave.
	So I played that for Jay.
	She's in the office and she's doing something and she hears this Fuguzotto screech and she goes, what the hell is that?
	And I play it again and it makes you laugh because Fletcher cracks his voice in some very controlled way at the end of the Fuguzotto.
	Fuguzotto!
	It's just on the end there, isn't it?
	Yeah, it's unbelievable how good this guy is.
	And so I was going back and forth, and I said, maybe we should reintroduce the old, we had a gimmick about four years ago, I think, where we would let people donate a certain amount of money, they'd get a Fletcher call-out.
	Oh, that's a cool idea.
	We did it.
	Yes, we did it, but it's a long time ago.
	Let me see some of the yells we have.
	Donald!
	That's one.
	Of course, there's the classic.
	It's the crack at the voice every single time.
	Yeah, he's very controlling.
	I don't know.
	I mean, that is a skill that I was talking to Jay about.
	I said, this is a voiceover skill that It's not something anyone can do.
	And I don't know anyone else who can do it is like this.
	I mean, it's unbelievable.
	No, that wasn't as good one.
	It's funnier when it's just him, when it's no music.
	Screaming, yeah.
	No, that's it.
	Yeah, I don't know if I have any other ones.
	Anyway, so...
	Oh, yeah.
	Yes, this is the one.
	Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to rob a lot!
	That's a good one.
	All right, so there's a promotion you're working on.
	Very good.
	Yeah, and I'm thinking until we get to the promotion, anyone who donates, Sir Dave...
	Did $999.99.
	Anyone who does a grand or more will get a call out for him.
	Oh, wow.
	In the meantime.
	But the promotional, the original promotion, I went back and forth with Fletcher, John, about this.
	And he reminded me that it was an old pie donation at 314 when I won five.
	That we did it for, and we did it for about two or three months, but I was thinking of just doing it for about a month, but if anybody wants to do a thousand bucks at any time, well, I think it'd be more amenable to throw out your last name, and then you can put it on your phone or whatever you want to do.
	That was the original idea.
	Oh.
	But anyway, so let me get the donations.
	Sir Dave at 999.99.
	This donation, 3x33333, is a recognition and thanks for all the karmic goodness requested during show 1111, the super uber mega karma episode.
	Melody is well on her way to success as a grad student.
	Lady Isabel enjoyed great success in the last Irish dance competition out in Portland.
	Yes.
	I'm retired from the Army as of the 30th of the month and have landed a job and our house just sold.
	Not saying that requesting karma back then had anything to do with all of it, but hey, it certainly didn't hurt.
	All you freeloaders out there, and you know who you are, should try donating sometime and getting some of your own.
	It's a super uber mega amazing.
	Or as he puts it, amazing.
	Amazing.
	Balancing all that, however, Brad, my buddy, with the brain cancer, went into the hospice a couple of days ago, and we, brothers in arms, are watching and waiting mode.
	Kind of a bummer.
	Some F-cancer karma would be appreciated.
	Let me do that right here, right now.
	Let me do it now.
	You've got karma.
	Gotta separate that out.
	I'm kind of lost track for a while, but I recently went back and updated my accounting, and apparently I've leveled up to Viscount.
	I request a peerage upgrade during today's show, and I would like to expand my territory to include America's heartland and Saudi Arabia.
	Also, an episode or two ago, the question arose as to whether or not count is a level in the No Agenda peerage system.
	According to Dvorak slash Org Peerage and the Book of Knowledge page on Italian nobility, Count is synonymous with Earl.
	No.
	Oh, not Viscount.
	Okay.
	We don't use Count.
	We don't use the Italian nobility.
	We use the British.
	Yes.
	Finally, according to the update from the UAE's last episode, Riyadh is also hot.
	As I type this, it's 113 degrees, but without the humidity that our UAE producer is likely enjoying.
	And there's a headline from today's Arab News.
	Filipina players dominate at women's bowling championship in Jeddah.
	Congrats, ladies!
	Way to go.
	Do they have cute outfits is the question.
	Keep up the great work and thank you for your courage.
	Thank you for your courage, Sir Dave.
	Yeah.
	So he, let me see, what do I have on all this?
	Viscount Dave.
	Yeah, Viscount of America's Heartland and Saudi Arabia.
	Outstanding.
	And thank you for your support.
	Long-time support.
	It's highly appreciated.
	Let's give him a regular karma so he can add to his collection.
	You've got karma.
	And serendipity came in from Columbra, Portugal.
	Portugal, I believe.
	Yes.
	432-34.
	Once all operational expenses are taken care of, I'd like to suggest that part of my donation goes to help Adam pay a romantic dinner to Mrs.
	Tina the Keeper.
	Enjoy your vacations here.
	Yes, we're going to Portugal tomorrow.
	And that's where our actual honeymoon...
	Oh, that's right.
	I remember that.
	That's where the actual honeymoon takes place.
	You're going to go to Porto?
	Possibly.
	We're so tired.
	You're going to go to Lisbon and hang out.
	We're going to the Algarve and to hang out.
	You're going to where?
	The Algarve.
	Oh, I never heard of it.
	The Algarve.
	It's like the entire, it's the beautiful coast.
	It's where you vacation.
	The Algarve.
	It's a region.
	Okay.
	Well, anyway, I want to say anyone that has never visited Portugal and you're a photographer, Lisbon.
	It's the most photographic city I've ever been to.
	Not because it's ornate and beautiful or it's like Barcelona.
	It's kind of dingy, but in a very photogenic way.
	By the way, I'm a regular passenger on the emergency row of the OPOAMS flights.
	So, if you see a sales-looking guy seated there, drop an ITM. It might be me.
	Finally.
	We're flying from Belfast and we're flying EasyJet, so unfortunately we won't see you.
	Finally, a gift to the No Agenda listeners.
	With four human resources already, I'm donating all of my baby-making karma.
	I won't cut my tubes, but I'm done.
	Please play the Hillary cackle.
	two to the head, then that's wrong, followed by brown shoes karma.
	Aha!
	That's wrong.
	You've got karma.
	Okay.
	By the way, I appreciate very much, but the keeper actually is paying for this part of the journey, for the Portugal rest.
	To Portugal?
	Mm-hmm.
	Yes.
	She booked everything.
	She did best.
	Well, a couple of things I should mention, because I think Portugal is fantastic, but it has...
	Some of the lowest priced wines, high quality wines, locally made, dry and sweet, but mostly, but the dry wines are outstanding and the whites are terrific.
	They're way underpriced worldwide.
	You get them over here too cheap.
	They're extremely inexpensive in Portugal.
	And they also do the same thing with their olive oils.
	So olive oils are way underpriced.
	So if you can find a good one, you can get it for next to nothing and you can throw it in the check-in luggage and bring it back.
	I'm sure that in 11 years we've discussed it, but I was very famous for a little while in Portugal when it was still a third world country.
	Yeah, you talked about this, because I've never been to Portugal pre-EU, so I never got to see the dirt roads that are now giant freeways.
	Yeah, it was, so this was 1982 or 83, and there was an international consortium called Europa Television.
	And Europa Television was all the public broadcasters from the EU. I think it was even a precursor to the EU, Eurovision coming together.
	And so people were doing news and sports.
	and we provided a half hour of music videos every single day.
	And typically this was broadcast, because Europe had a lot of cable penetration, so you could get all these crazy channels.
	There was Sky Channel, there was music boxes, MTV.
	But in Portugal, they only had two stations, RTP1, RTP2, and it was over the air, there was no cable.
	But for some reason, they decided every day, and it's a public broadcaster, to take our show called Countdown, and air that on television over the air.
	So here were kids who were...
	And Portugal was a third world country in the early 80s.
	This is all before the big EU money came in.
	So they had just nothing but dirt roads.
	And now, here was a guy who all, you know, the first time they were seeing Bon Jovi videos, they'd never seen this before.
	It's like Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson, Tina Turner.
	And people would send me mail, postcards, remember those?
	And they would be post-sacks full.
	I mean, just huge mailbags.
	And I'd be reading their notes.
	And so when we went there to just, you know, we'll just do a couple shows from Portugal.
	We were at the airport, and we had to import all of our camera gear.
	Back in the day, it was a lot bigger, and you had to have a Carnet, C-A-R-N-E-T, a Carnet, which was just like a travel document for your gear so that when you enter the country and you leave again, you didn't sell off some $100,000 piece of equipment that they didn't know about.
	So it took a little while for us to get through customs, but we kept hearing this weird sound, and I thought it was the baggage carousel at the airport, which it could have been because it was rickety.
	But it turned out when we finally had the Carnet set and we were going through customs, the doors opened.
	There were 5,000 kids standing there waiting for Adam Curiel, Adam Curiel, Adam Curiel!
	And I'd made jokes on the show like, oh, we're going to Portugal.
	Yeah, all right, girls, make sure you show up in my hotel with the Lamborghini.
	Dude, I still have paper clippings, front page, where girls showed up with their dad's Lamborghini to give to me.
	It was outrageous.
	And just one of the trippiest things I've ever witnessed.
	And now, no one knows who I am.
	It's done.
	I'm nothing.
	The fame is leaking.
	So I'm going to see if we can find any old people while we're there.
	Like, hey man, remember me, baby?
	Let me show you a picture of what I used to look like.
	Yeah, you should do that.
	You'll get a badge or a button.
	Maybe.
	Maybe I'll get something.
	A big giant button, like the podcasting button.
	A big giant button with your old face on it.
	This used to be me.
	Hi, I used to be famous.
	Surely you remember me.
	I used to be famous.
	All right.
	Well, maybe someone will recognize you.
	It happens.
	Yeah, maybe not.
	We'll find out.
	Maybe not.
	I do recall someone gave me a port wine from my birth year, 1964.
	And I saved that, and when I turned, I think, 40, I opened it.
	God, that was some dreck.
	It had completely gone bad.
	It was horrible.
	No, 64 is not a good year.
	Now, if they were smart in giving you a 63, which is still good to this day, and just kind of X'd out the three and put it in written down a four, you would have had a file of killer port.
	Oh, man, I remember...
	At a certain point, we had all these autograph sessions, and we had this promoter.
	We were like, Alessandro Basht was his name.
	Ah, Alessandro Basht, we tell you today, we take autographs very close by.
	And we get in this Renault Espace van and we drive for three and a half hours through these dirt roads like, well, what are we doing?
	And then, you know, there'd be a crowd of, you know, several hundred kids there.
	But then the punks showed up and they were on, you know, like mopeds and bicycles and they were spitting at the car and jumping on.
	It was crazy.
	I got to find some of that video.
	I got to post that if I can find any.
	Yeah.
	Good times.
	Sounds good.
	Thank God the EU came in and straightened those people out.
	Well, it's definitely not the same country.
	Enslaved them into obedience.
	Well, under their old rulers, it wasn't much better.
	No.
	Sir Colin, the friendly fat man is our last executive producer.
	He's the third one.
	That's all we got.
	$360.
	Yeah.
	Nice donation.
	Sir Colin, the friendly fat man from Cincinnati.
	A couple of things on the list for today.
	One, I want to wish my father, Arthur, a very...
	By the way, we did have a Father's Day promotion for Father's Day, and as usual...
	Yeah, everyone hates their dads.
	They hate their dads.
	They hate their moms.
	They have no Valentines.
	But they love Fibonacci numbers.
	That's right.
	Go Fibonacci.
	Boo dad, boo mom.
	I want to wish my father Arthur a very happy Father's Day.
	He's a man of heroic character and unwavering conviction that I aspire to imitate daily in my own feeble way.
	He has made me into the man I am today and there is nothing I could ever do to repay him for all he has done for me and my six siblings.
	So, the next best thing...
	in the universe.
	This donation amount is magical shape-shifting Jew, $18 donation times 20.
	Nice.
	For his seven kids and 13 grandkids.
	and 13 grandkids.
	God bless them.
	God bless him.
	Nice.
	Nice.
	I also want to wish a happy Father's Day to my brother, Stephen, and my two brothers-in-law, Chris and Kevin.
	I also want to wish a Happy Father's Day to my brother, Stephen, and my two brothers-in-law, Chris and Kevin.
	I was involved in the Cincinnati meetup back in May and forgot to send you guys the picture attached of our group.
	It was a great get-together, and we even had a Baron humble us with his presence.
	Nice.
	As many have said, it was an amazing feeling to be able to talk about whatever we wanted without much, if any, concern for upsetting our table mates.
	Yes, that's how it works.
	I recently took the first step, number four.
	That was number three.
	Number four, I recently took my first step into the property ladder and bought a house.
	Yes.
	I knew it was the one when I saw the street address included the magic number 33.
	Now my mother would really like me to find a keeper of my own and go along with it so I could get some house relationship karma.
	Yeah.
	So that's what he wants.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's what his mom wants.
	Yeah, that's what his mom wants.
	We'll give him some too.
	We know that what he wants is really just some awesome hookers.
	You heard that, Tina.
	Yeah.
	On the subject of houses, Adam, I was the one who sent you the high and mighty wall hanging stuff.
	I hope you liked it.
	Yes.
	I hope you liked it and it worked out for you.
	Hearing your thoughts would be great.
	What is he talking about?
	Okay.
	Would be great if you could mention the website, DesignToBeStuckUp.com to my fellow producers.
	I'm glad that he finally sent this in, Sir Colin.
	So when we said that we had bought a house and we're going to move into the house, he sent us a whole bunch of these DesignToBeStuckUp items.
	Like what?
	Well, it's hooks, but also there's a shelf.
	So there's no holes.
	You don't drill any holes.
	And you have to look at the website to understand the system.
	But you can hang up, up to like 30, 40 pounds in some cases, without drilling holes.
	The stuff just sticks to the wall.
	And drywall.
	It does it with drywall, too.
	It's very cool.
	Designedtobestuckup.com.
	Hmm.
	Thanks for everything and along with the karma, can I get some magical shape-shifting Jew and Putin on the Ritz.
	Thanks for calling the friendly fat man.
	If you're blue and you don't know where there's fake news, why don't you get your Gitmo fix?
	Putin on the Ritz.
	Dressed up like a million dollar trooper.
	Trying not to look like Anderson Cooper.
	Superpoopa!
	Come, let's mix where John Podesta walks with kids.
	Oh, I mean pizzas in his midst.
	Booter on the Ritz.
	Roll up, roll up with a magical shape-shifting juice.
	Step right this way.
	Roll up.
	Roll up with a shape-shifting juice. Roll up.
	The magical shape-shifting juice. Roll up.
	It's a little bit of a strength.
	Karma.
	Karma.
	All right.
	Well, I want to thank these three folks for becoming the executive producers for show 1147.
	Yeah, and once again, no associate executive producers, which is very odd.
	Very odd.
	We don't see that often.
	He did mention the Cincinnati meetup.
	I do...
	Let me see...
	Dave...
	It was No Agenda Torrent Dave back in the day at the London meetup.
	He did do a $50 cash-on-the-spot donation.
	He neglected to add a note.
	He just wanted to be de-douched.
	You've been de-douched.
	And I have a report from the Copenhagen meetup, which was just the other day.
	This is from Eric, who organized.
	Greetings from Copenhagen, where we just finished our first successful meetup.
	Six producers, including two knights, who came out of hiding to speak freely.
	and nurse hangovers, the Dane hangover, apparently, and discuss the future of Scandinavia from a no-agenda perspective.
	It was a huge success, and plans are already in the works to make it a regular thing.
	Adam, I hope when you are finally done with honeymoons, you are able to join us next time.
	I'd love to go to Copenhagen.
	I would, too.
	I'll go.
	In honor of the Copenhagen Knights and our lengthy discussion of the number 33 and how much Adam really knows about its origin, I've made a donation, 6666.
	We'll be thanking him later on, of course.
	As this is my first donation, please dedouche me and kindly call out Pablo Ponting as a massive douchebag.
	Thanks to you and John for your hard work.
	Hope you are proud that it brings six strangers together halfway across the world.
	Yes, I think we are extremely proud of this.
	John?
	I'm actually stunned by it.
	Although I'm not surprised.
	And I'm specifically not surprised about the fact that people all get along because the nature of the show does have a mindset that if people subscribe to it, they will be happier.
	They won't have an inflamed amygdala and they will get along with each other.
	And they always do.
	And I've never yet to see anybody say otherwise.
	You wouldn't come to the thing if you weren't.
	A normal person.
	And the fact that they're already planning the next one means good news.
	Good news there.
	Oh, here's your de-douche.
	You've been de-douche.
	And I'll throw in a karma for you.
	There we go.
	You've got karma.
	So thank you.
	Thank you to our executive producers of episode 1147.
	You certainly picked up some slack, which is highly appreciated.
	For those of you who are interested in our value-for-value proposition, All you have to do is think about what this show was worth to you, what kind of value it provided, this episode, more than one episode, how many have you been listening to, and just send this to us.
	And you can do that very simply at Dvorak.org slash NA. That's right.
	I'll be doing another show from the honeymoon on Thursday.
	Make sure you're there.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	So I have a clip that confirms something I was brought up a couple of years ago.
	You were all in on this too.
	And this is Steve Pachanik.
	Hey, what are you doing on my beat with my handler?
	Steve Pchenik on North Korea tourism.
	For the most part, North Korea right now is a country waiting to be helped.
	And why do I say that?
	There are beaches there on the southeast of North Korea and they want to open it up and make it a tourist attraction by October 2019.
	And Trump is the right person in the right place for the right time in order to make that type of deal.
	With Kim Jong-un.
	Now, Kim Jong-un knows he has to open up North Korea.
	There are no more missiles he can fire.
	There's no more radiation that he can shoot out because it's really not a benefit to North Korea.
	He knows that tourism, primarily by the Chinese, last year I think about 100,000 Chinese came into the southeast part of North Korea on the beaches, was not enough.
	He wanted to open it up to the world, and the way he could do that was to establish a personal relationship, what we would call in Chinese guanxi, with President Trump.
	Because Trump, of course, knows how to develop resorts.
	He knows how to build hotels.
	And he correctly said, look, whatever happened in the CIA didn't occur under my auspices, but nevertheless, I have a very good relationship with Kim Jong-un.
	I believe that.
	And I believe that Kim Jong-un will in fact make a deal with Trump.
	My suspicion is it'll be around October of 2019.
	I could be wrong, but I hope I'm right.
	Oh, is that like an October surprise?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, of course it is.
	Right before the...
	It's not the wrong October.
	Oh, you want 2020 October.
	Right, right, right.
	I'm sorry.
	I think it's also premature.
	I think it's not far enough along for that to happen this year, but okay.
	Now, for those of you who are relatively new to the program, my uncle, Don Gregg, G-R-E-G-G. Who's listed in Wikipedia, if you want his background.
	Yes, he's on the wikis as a high-ranking...
	He's up in his late 80s now.
	I don't think he's actually stopped all work.
	But he was ambassador to South Korea after the Iran-Contra affair, where I believe he didn't protect his boss properly, so off he was to South Korea.
	But he had been to North Korea many, many times, and we were talking about...
	What was happening at the time when you came up with the tourist destination?
	And he confirmed that.
	Confirmed.
	He said, absolutely.
	All they want is peace and a true end of the war.
	We only have an armistice.
	The war was never officially ended.
	And they would love nothing more than to be a tourist destination.
	In fact, it was after he tried to talk to the Obama administration and they pretty much just threw him right out.
	We're not interested in listening to you.
	That he said to me...
	Greg.
	Sorry?
	Yeah, it was Greg that they didn't want to listen to.
	Yeah, to Uncle Don.
	He said, Adam, Dennis Rodman understands North Korea better than anybody in the entire administration.
	And I think this turns out to be true.
	That's true.
	Yeah, it seems true.
	Now, the one thing they're doing, though, is that you can tell that they're trying to line up.
	They have some mountainous areas where I guess they can create ski resorts.
	Skiing, yeah, skiing.
	And they've got the hotels up there and everything ready to go, even though they haven't really had any experience with lots of people, especially with a lot of grouchy German tourists, let's say, and Americans.
	Yeah.
	The two worst tourists by most standards, although the Chinese are getting up there.
	And the beaches and all the rest.
	But the one thing that is never discussed is that giant pageant they have every year.
	North Korea has the largest soccer stadium in the world.
	I think it holds 120.
	If you look at large stadiums, the biggest one is It's a North Korean one, and I think it holds 120,000 or 140,000 people.
	It's huge.
	And they pack them in for this pageant that they have every year that is the most spectacular thing.
	You can see videos of it.
	Madeline Albright saw it.
	She got to witness it.
	Well, there's tons of reporters who go.
	And a lot of reporters go.
	But the thing about this thing is it holds so many people.
	They could do one for tourists, and I'm telling you, People would pay $1,000 a seat.
	Yeah, you could do it just like the Main Street Electrical Parade at Disneyland.
	You could do it two times a week easy.
	Well, I never thought about doing it more than once.
	Yeah, and have grand marshals.
	Yeah.
	It's very doable.
	It would build up to that because people are still skeptical about going to North Korea, but I'd go at the drop of a hat.
	Well, there is this spectacular display of coordination, and it's just an astonishing thing to see.
	There is, yet again, noises coming from Agent Orange, our Dutch military intelligence guy, that an opportunity may open up for the show.
	We should not go together.
	That's probably not a good idea.
	No, and it's going to be hard to broadcast from there.
	Well, because it would be part of some military thing, he says that he feels that that may be possible.
	Now, if it's hard to broadcast live, then maybe it does make sense for us to go together.
	That would be the first and only time we ever do a show near each other.
	Yeah, I don't want to break tradition.
	Okay.
	Screw North Korea.
	Don't want to ruin the show.
	No, I wouldn't go to North Korea, but I want to ruin the show.
	We'll get to North Korea one way or the other.
	What?
	I told this, you know, my Liv Joe, so I said this once to him.
	Yeah.
	I'd love to go to North Korea.
	What?
	Why would you go to see that murderous North Korea?
	Why would you do this?
	And these are liberals.
	These are guys who used to write for New York Times and teach professors.
	Liberals.
	Professors.
	Liberals.
	So that's that.
	Yeah.
	So I've been watching the action on the tanker attack.
	Yeah.
	I got a couple clips on this.
	Well, I have a couple of clips, too, and then I have a clip that actually makes sense.
	Okay.
	Most of the clips are just, you know, hysterical, not interesting.
	I don't know what we should do here.
	Why don't you play your clips?
	I have a BBC background, or since I'm over here, I thought it might be interesting to get there.
	Here's the BBC, then I'll play mine, then I have the kicker clip is the...
	From RT, which has a different perspective.
	So once again, we have to go outside of the United States broadcasting to get anything of any use.
	Very much.
	Alright, here's the BBC. Well, the Iranians are saying it wasn't us, but the Americans are saying yes it was.
	They're blaming Iran for a suspected attack on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman.
	One is reported to have been hit by a torpedo.
	We know that crew had to be rescued from both.
	And we have this video that's been released by the Iranian Navy, which shows the Norwegian ship, the Front Altair.
	It's carrying 75,000 tons of a particular type of crude oil.
	And we know the crew reported three explosions.
	Here's the Iranian foreign minister saying...
	Now, to explain...
	One of the ships certainly is Japanese-owned.
	The other, though, is owned by Norway, so I'm not sure why he's suggesting both are related to Japan.
	Either way, Iran has many suspicions, but so do the Americans.
	Here's Mike Pompeo.
	It is the assessment of the United States government that the Islamic Republic of Iran is responsible for the attacks that occurred in the Gulf of Amman today.
	This assessment is based on intelligence, the weapons used, the level of expertise needed to execute the operation, and a whole bunch of New World Order bullshit, recent similar Iranian attacks on shipping, and the fact that no proxy group operating in the area has the resources and proficiency to act with such a high degree of sophistication.
	Help us understand what the Iranians are saying think happened here.
	Well, other than what you read, which is we were set up, the idea that the Supreme Leader was meeting with the Prime Minister of Japan as this happened, given that one of the ships was...
	Japan owned.
	It is creating that sort of doubt, even inside Iran, and especially from the point of view of the government, that this was an operation to embarrass them or make that trip unsuccessful.
	However, in that very meeting, the Supreme Leader of Iran said that he's not going to respond to any message that the President of the United States had sent through the Japanese Prime Minister because It was America and this administration in Washington that has violated the nuclear deal, has brought back sanctions.
	He even pointed out that right before Prime Minister of Japan's trip to Iran, U.S. took another step in sanctioning Iran's petrochemical industry, which is huge, part of Iran's exports.
	It was clear from the Iranian point of view that there is nothing to talk about to this administration as long as they are in violation of the deal of U.N. Security Council 223.
	Sorry.
	Yet to have this incident happen on the very same day, it does give them some leeway to at least argue that this seems something far-fetched from something they would do because there's nothing to be gained from it.
	Yeah.
	That's kind of a long-winded similarity to the RT report, which is a little tighter.
	The British like to talk.
	Yeah, they do.
	But it's a lot different than what we get here.
	This is the CBS report on Iran and oil tankers.
	Okay, sorry about that.
	Here we go.
	Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are calling for decisive action to protect energy supplies after two oil tankers were attacked this week.
	President Trump says Iran is to blame.
	Charlie Daggett is in the UAE tonight with the latest.
	The tanker front Altair in flames and adrift is now reportedly under tow to the United Arab Emirates.
	Its 23 crew members, rescued by the Iranian military and detained, are soon headed home too.
	Iran insists it had nothing to do with Thursday's back-to-back attacks on the Altair and Japanese tanker Kukuka Courageous, despite repeated accusations from the Trump administration.
	Well, Iran did do it, and you know they did it because you saw the boat.
	I guess one of the mines didn't explode, and it's probably got essentially Iran written all over it.
	Is the president high when he's saying this stuff?
	What is wrong with him?
	What is wrong with it?
	One of the mines didn't explode, and it's probably got essentially Iran written all over it.
	Images from U.S. military officials show a tanker with a hole blown in its side, and what military officials say is an unexploded mine still attached to the hull.
	Later, the U.S. military released this grainy video footage showing what appeared to be Iranian forces removing the mine and making off with it.
	Oh, I love the grainy footage.
	We can see a matchstick from space, but oh, grainy footage.
	Germany's foreign minister cast doubt on the evidence, and even the UAE has stopped short of directly naming Iran.
	This has...
	Only been possible by state-sponsored attacks.
	Now investigators here will be able to take a closer look at one of the crime scenes as the Kukuka Courageous arrives here just offshore in the coming hours and its contents safely transferred to another ship.
	I would like to remind us of United States presidents and these types of operations, certainly when the neocons were re-flourishing under the Obama administration in 2012.
	This is Patrick Clausen of the Washington Institute for Near East Studies, which is a neocon, a-hole, blow-the-world-up think tank.
	Listen to what this guy was saying.
	I frankly think that crisis initiation is really tough.
	And it's very hard for me to see how the United States president can get us to war with Iran.
	Which leads me to conclude that if in fact compromise is not coming, that the traditional way of America gets to war is what would be best for U.S. interests.
	Some people might think that Mr.
	Roosevelt wanted to get us into World War II, as David mentioned.
	You may recall we had to wait for Pearl Harbor.
	Some people might think Mr.
	Wilson wanted to get us into World War I. You may recall he had to wait for the Lusitania episode.
	Some people might think that Mr.
	Johnson wanted to send troops to Vietnam.
	You may recall we had to wait for the Gulf of Tonkin episode.
	We didn't go to war with Spain until the Maine exploded.
	And may I point out that Mr.
	Lincoln did not feel he could call out the Federal Army until Fort Sumter was attacked, which is why he ordered the commander at Fort Sumter to do exactly that thing which the South Carolinians had said would cause an attack.
	So if, in fact, the Iranians aren't going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war.
	One can combine other means of pressure with sanctions.
	I mentioned that explosion on August 17th.
	We could step up the pressure.
	I mean, look, people, Iranian submarines periodically go down.
	Someday one of them might not come up.
	Who would know why?
	We can do a variety of things if we wish to increase the pressure.
	I'm not advocating that, but I'm just suggesting that this is not an either-or proposition.
	It's just sanctions has to succeed or other things.
	We are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians.
	We could get nastier at that.
	So the two things I thought interesting about this clip from 2012 is, one, the mention of Iranian submarines that could go down and not come up.
	And notice how he just skipped over 9-11.
	Every false flag known to man, even some that are disputed in the lexicon, eh, there's that 9-11 thing, let's not talk about that, let's just skip over that.
	But that's the thinking.
	Too recent.
	It took 25 years before the Gulf of Tompkins thing, even though everyone knew it was a fake, got into the news media.
	The news media, they dropped the ball for 25 years.
	Yeah.
	Maybe longer.
	Well, we only have a couple more than until 9-11 can be uncovered for real.
	Well, it's got a lot more to go.
	So let's hear what RT has to say, which is, again, very similar to the BBC report with a little more...
	Even though it's a discussion, it's a little...
	It gets to the point a little better.
	About what happened, we have not only the government sources, but the media rushing to pin the tail on the designated culprit under circumstances that seem awfully convenient, don't they?
	I mean, hear how many people have been saying that the rush to war toward Iran seems to be abating somewhat.
	We've got Abe going to Tehran, maybe he's got a message from Trump, maybe there's a first step to working things out and then bam, something happens.
	It's awfully convenient, and you say to yourself, alright, is it too convenient?
	So it's important to point out, by the way, that Iran was in the midst of high-level and friendly meetings with the Japanese Prime Minister in and around the time the tanker attacks took place.
	What's, I guess, most important here is that the tanker was a Japanese vessel.
	And Iran officials ask, what sense would it make for us to attack a Japanese vessel while we're meeting in a friendly confines with Japanese officials?
	Meanwhile, one other note, and this is important.
	The attack has sent the price of oil across the globe way, way up, and the trend has continued.
	I have a clip that follows this perfectly from the CIA broadcast systems, CBS.
	Our old buddy Mike Morrell was asked to comment, former deputy director and at one point acting director of the CIA.
	How much risk is there of this becoming a military conflict?
	Margaret, I don't think the United States will respond militarily here because we were not attacked directly.
	And I think that would be a predicate for the president to respond militarily.
	But I think the risk of conflict is growing, and I think it's growing dangerously.
	And I think the way it could play out is that one of our allies, the United Emirates or Saudi Arabia, would respond to this attack or another attack like it to deter the Iranians, and that would escalate into a broader conflict that could draw us in.
	Today, Iran's top diplomat called the timing of this suspicious, trying to distance themselves from it.
	So why would they go through with an attack?
	They are under a tremendous amount of pressure because of the sanctions that we've put on them.
	Their economy is suffering.
	Their response here is to try to get the rest of the world to put pressure on us to ease up.
	And they want to do that by raising oil prices and creating an atmosphere of a risk of war.
	I think it ultimately backfires on them, Margaret, and they end up more isolated.
	This guy, he's not the guy you want to be doing this stuff with.
	He's not a good actor.
	Nope.
	And he doesn't make a lot of sense.
	What he said made zero sense.
	He just yaks and yaks and yaks.
	He didn't say right.
	What is that thing?
	He always says right.
	He usually says right.
	Right.
	Maybe he's off of that.
	Maybe he fixed that.
	Someone finally said, bro, stop that.
	Right.
	I'm saying right.
	I say right all the time.
	We do have an example of him doing that probably.
	He is not pulling this off very well.
	The whole thing makes no sense.
	I think if he would have stuck – the other thing is if you're going to make these kinds of, I don't know, COINTEL points, you want to do it with just finding one good point.
	And the point was it was kind of made with the RT report and he – Morrell made it but he didn't make it strongly enough, which is – well, it's obvious that the Iranians are trying to – They're hurting for money.
	They make most of their money still by selling oil under the table at a discounted rate.
	So let's jack up the price of oil by sending a few missiles at these tankers.
	It'll jack up the price of oil.
	We'll get out of debt.
	It's just a money grab.
	If you just go with that, I think you've solved it.
	Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
	Uh-huh.
	And then you kind of just move the argument around a little bit.
	But how long did the price actually spike?
	Didn't it come down again?
	I think it's still spiking?
	It never spiked.
	It started moving up.
	I mean, it's different than moving up in a spike.
	Right.
	Well, the thing is, I mean, no matter what, if you're on the inside of these types of operations, it's a moneymaker.
	Oh, yeah, for sure.
	I mean, if we had known...
	Hey, are you going to make a big deal about some Japanese ship?
	Let's buy a couple calls in oil.
	Or whatever the instrument is.
	There's all kinds of ways of doing it.
	Let's see what the price of oil is.
	All kinds of ways that we never do it, is what you're trying to tell me.
	Well, the last was $52.50.
	Oh, that's low.
	I thought it went up to $60 plus.
	I think that was Brent.
	There's two kinds of oil and the cheesier one is cheaper.
	What's the cheese?
	The crude oil.
	Why is it cheesy?
	It's because it's got a lot of sulfur in it and it has to be treated.
	It's just cheesy oil.
	But it's what most oil is.
	It's not great stuff.
	But you know what no one ever talks about?
	What is to become of Iran once we go full...
	Rubble eyes!
	You played the Fletcher clip.
	Play it again.
	I was going to...
	I said, what is to become from Iran when we go full carbon neutral?
	Well...
	They themselves believe that oil is a short-term thing, and they claim this.
	I do believe that they are building bombs, or they want to build bombs, but they want to build nuclear power plants.
	Yeah.
	And so does Saudi Arabia.
	Actually, and then some of them, I guess, one of the countries, I think it's...
	One of the sand-barren countries, they put up these giant solar arrays that are massive, and they're just covering a bunch of truly lifeless desert.
	Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to rub a lice!
	Anyway, so on the other news front that we need to catch up on is Assange.
	Ah, yes.
	I guess the extradition order was signed?
	I'm not absolutely sure it was signed, but I do have some interesting clips, again, from RT. Oops, sorry.
	The first one is, they've got two of them.
	So you don't want the thoughts.
	You want Julian Assange with Rick Sanchez in a rundown with a kicker.
	So Julian Assange appeared in court today for what may very well be one of the most important legal decisions of our time.
	On trial is the notion that a country, in this case our country, Can reach out anywhere in the world and arrest someone for writing something, saying something, or publishing something.
	It does not want decimated.
	Now he said, he's supposed to say disseminated?
	He said decimated.
	And he stupidly said decimated.
	Which kind of fits in an odd way.
	It does fit in an odd way, but it was a complete botch and I got a big kick out of hearing it because he never corrected himself.
	So he's obviously just reading like a robot if you're not listening to yourself.
	Anyway, it goes on.
	He brings in Chris Hedges, the kind of lefty Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who's really a good journalist, but he's very compromised by his left-wing leanings.
	Thoughts on killing...
	I said thoughts on Julian Assange on RT with Hedges Sanchez's clip.
	You know, I've been following part of the arguments from the United States and they're saying something about that it has nothing to do with him being someone who disseminates or publishes information and that it has more to do with the fact that it was espionage and that he cracked some kind of code.
	Can you put some clarity behind what the United States is saying about this code that he apparently cracked and what Assange's side is saying about this?
	Right.
	Well, that goes back to the issue I just spoke about.
	It was an attempt to essentially bypass the security, the password and security, so that Chelsea Manning could cover her tracks.
	So it wasn't clear that it was Chelsea Manning breaking in and downloading these documents.
	arguments.
	The charges under the Espionage Act are just frankly legally bizarre.
	Julian Assange is not an American citizen.
	He's an Australian citizen.
	And at one point before Lenin Moreno revoked his citizenship, he was an Ecuadorian citizen.
	WikiLeaks is not a U.S.-based publication.
	And so the legal precedent that this sets is...
	Is, number one, that anyone who publishes classified material can be subject to the Espionage Act, as recent editorials in the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and the Washington Post correctly pointed out.
	But secondly, that any journalist anywhere in the world that in the eyes of the United States violates security can be seized and carted back to the United States for trial.
	Well, yeah, that's why China decided to do the same thing.
	Like tit for tat.
	Everybody was absolutely the correlation I wanted to make.
	Yeah.
	China and their S you know, their extradition laws in Hong Kong, which I have some clips of because that seems to be falling apart, is doing the same thing that they're just copying our lead.
	And there's nothing wrong with it.
	We're number one, baby.
	So Chris Hedges on espionage.
	He continues by discussing the chilling effect of the Espionage Act and its problems.
	And I think, you know, the fact that I have to go to RT to get this opinion, and even though we can do these opinions ourselves, It's kind of pathetic that the American media doesn't do something about or make a bigger stink about this.
	Chris Hedges on Espionage Act problems.
	Right, and I have to say this began under the Obama administration with the misuse of the Espionage Act, a 1917 act passed by Woodrow Wilson, which was the equivalent of the British Foreign Secrets Act, i.e.
	it is about giving classified or top secret information to a hostile power.
	That's what it was designed for.
	It wasn't designed to shut down whistleblowers.
	Obama had been used three times, including unsuccessfully against Daniel Ellsberg.
	Obama used it nine times against, for instance, Edward Snowden and others, John Kiriakou.
	And that had a huge chilling effect because all of those people with a conscience within the systems of power that traditionally had had the courage to reach out to journalists and expose abuses of power no longer did so because, number one, of course, they know they're monitored.
	We now know from Snowden they're completely monitored, but also because they knew how they would be charged.
	And this is really compounding that problem.
	It will now, if Julian is extradited to the United States, if he is charged under the Espionage Act, although, as I mentioned, he's not a U.S. citizen, this is going to send a very ominous message to publications like the New York Times and others that you better not try this.
	I really fear That it could drop a kind of iron curtain between the public and the inner workings of power.
	I think it bears, it's worth repeating what Pachanik said about this, since he is my official handler, and we did this, what, two weeks ago.
	Just to refresh your memory, on November 1st of 2016, we had never heard of Botanic, but I played this clip.
	So we initiated a counter-coup through Julian Assange, who's been very brave and really quite formidable in his ability to come forth and provide all the necessary emails that we gave to him in order to undermine Hillary and Bill Clinton.
	Again, America, we're going through a major, major transition, and quite frankly, a second American revolution.
	And when I asked him, what are we doing?
	He's very brave.
	We, the big we, gave him the emails to eliminate Hillary and Bill Clinton.
	What are we going to do when we extradite him?
	And the answer that came back was, the extradition is under, he will go to a military court where he will be, Sent home and set free under, quote, special circumstances which the military does not have to disclose.
	And I'm going to take his word for it.
	Yeah, that happening is not going to change the fact that this still will have a chilling effect on the media.
	Agreed, agreed, agreed.
	Bringing the guy back and making a fuss about him and then saying this is going to happen to you too if you do anything like this, it still works.
	And the fact that Obama used this espionage act nine times, this act is completely a dead letter law, it shouldn't even be on the books, Including the one he mentioned, the one guy, the Kiriak.
	I can never pronounce his name.
	The guy was an NSA whistleblower.
	Kirikyu, Kirikyu, Kirikyu.
	He went to jail.
	The guy went to jail.
	Yeah.
	He was one of the big five whistleblowers out of the NSA who kept saying wrongdoing.
	And nobody would listen, of course.
	Oh, there's mechanisms.
	You can go and you can tell your boss and then he'll report it.
	And then the bad...
	The bad people will be, you know, scolded.
	It doesn't work.
	So we went, you know, blew it out and took it to the media.
	Anyway, so it's a problem.
	Well, not a problem for us.
	No, we just, no, not really.
	We're just a podcast.
	We're not doing, we do analysis.
	We don't do, we don't find documents and then expose them.
	Well, we get lots of information from people.
	That's for sure.
	And we need more of that.
	But I've never received any documents, so to speak, of anything good, anything worthwhile.
	No, nothing good.
	No, for sure.
	So just back to Iran for a second.
	When I hear the president talk like that, that's got to be just total crap.
	He knows this is bullshit.
	He knows it.
	You sure?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think so.
	You still got Bolton working in there.
	Which is the disappointing part, because that guy's trigger-happy and dangerous with Pompeo.
	I put Pompeo there, too.
	Oh, yeah, both of them.
	But as a negotiation, because he does talk with, oh, yeah, I'm ready to negotiate with him.
	We'll talk any time they want to talk.
	That seems to be kind of the way he does it.
	But, you know, what really happened?
	If this was a...
	If they tried to do a Gulf of Tonkin or Lusitania or any of these, which, interestingly, a lot of these quote-unquote false flags involved ships, what the hell kind of lame op was this?
	And these ships didn't sink.
	They didn't explode in a ball of fire.
	They've been tugged back to wherever.
	They didn't sink.
	It's something we have to think about.
	A torpedo?
	Seriously?
	A torpedo?
	A torpedo strike?
	That torpedo, everyone's pulled back on the torpedo.
	And now they're like little missiles or something coming and hitting the sides of the boat.
	The torpedo theory was debunked, I think, because somebody was on the deck and saw the missiles coming in.
	Missiles?
	Yeah.
	If you look at the ship, they had the tube dents in the side.
	Those are for missiles.
	Somebody shot some low-grade missile and bounced along the water just above the water line and hit the boat.
	Seems more like a starter pistol and missiles.
	Remember those missiles?
	The French had these missiles that were used to sink some boats during the Falkland Islands Wars.
	I don't recall.
	I can't remember the name.
	Someone in the chat room will remember the name of these anti-ship missiles.
	I think the exact quote was, quote, flying objects.
	Well...
	Not quite the same as a missile.
	Yeah, it is.
	It can be...
	If I throw a rock at somebody, it's a missile.
	That's also a flying...
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right, then.
	Good.
	I got you.
	I got you.
	You get my point, though.
	This thing is lame.
	Yeah, but what kind of flying object would it be?
	A couple seagulls with bombs attached?
	I mean, I just don't understand.
	Well, let's look at it from a different perspective.
	And I'll give you a reason to fire Bolton and Pompeo.
	This fail.
	Outright fail.
	Venezuela.
	If it was designed to do nothing more than raise the price of oil, it didn't.
	Okay.
	That was what we came up with on the last show.
	But the president's, oh yes, this was an attack.
	These guys are failing left and right.
	Venezuela, what happened in Venezuela?
	Did that just end?
	Everything's hunky-dory?
	Don't hear about it anymore.
	Did we take over?
	Are we running the place?
	Is Guido...
	You're saying...
	I see where you're headed.
	You're headed with the whole thing so incompetent...
	Completely.
	Fire him.
	End up...
	Fire these boneheads.
	Yeah.
	Can't even sink a ship.
	I'm going to show my salute by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda in the morning.
	Well, we do have a few people to thank for Show 1147, and we do have some call-outs for some dads, if there are a few.
	One of them is right off the top here, which is Sir John the Brewer came in with $194.70 from St.
	Louis, Mississippi.
	And he, his father, Jack, was born in 1947.
	He doesn't listen to the show, but well wishes anyway.
	Need to update my night monikers.
	I'm no longer brewing.
	Sir John the Brewer is now Sir Rocketman, Baron of the Bay.
	Oh, let me just make sure he's, yes, he's on the title change list.
	He's no longer brewing?
	No, he's Rocketman.
	What the heck?
	Well, it could be good for us.
	Maybe we get some insights.
	We used to get beer from them, now we're going to get rockets?
	I don't know.
	We'll get some rocket info for sure.
	Well, maybe.
	Now, as I read these, you look over and see if there's any dads who call out.
	I think there isn't a couple instances.
	Very few.
	Well, since it's a pretty short list, I do want to read a few of these.
	Peter White, who is the Juboo.
	Now, we met the Juboo at the London meetup.
	And he's a Jewish Buddhist, which is why he's called the Jubbu.
	And his $108, he says, is a very sacred, powerful donation.
	Of course, we know now that 18 is a Jewish sacred offering number combined with 6.
	The number that manifests intention and ideas in the physical world is 108.
	By offering this 3.3.3.2.2, may the guardians of reality be empowered to continue their vital deconstruction work and many be hit in the mouth.
	I understood most of that.
	But otherwise, thank you very much, Juboo.
	I appreciate it.
	I like Juboo.
	It just sounds funny.
	Gwendolyn Adams comes in next to $103.15 and she has a note.
	Yeah.
	Hello, gentlemen.
	Congrats, Adam and Tina.
	I'd like to wish my longtime loving baby daddy, Bill, a happy Father's Day.
	I'd like my donation account towards his eventual titlage.
	Don't forget, I shouldn't mention this because we're seeing more and more people discussing these movements of money as if we account for it.
	As if we track it, yeah.
	You do your accounting.
	If you want to designate so much of your donation to Bill, then you just do that when it comes around time for him to be knighted or whatever he becomes.
	Two of them went to the first meetup in Sarasota two weeks ago and had a great time.
	It was three ladies and several dudes named Ben, of course, mostly Boots.
	Dude's name, Ben, she says, and parents.
	Everyone agree we should do it again.
	Hopefully we will.
	I suppose I should call out the other listeners that aren't attending their own meetups as douchebags.
	Hey.
	Oh.
	Oh, boy.
	Something.
	Oh, no.
	We have a douchebag short circuit, ladies and gentlemen.
	Let me see if I can fix it.
	Douchebag short circuit.
	Well, let's see if I can fix this.
	What's going on here?
	Let me see.
	There we go.
	There we go.
	I fixed it.
	Finally.
	I'm closing.
	Thank you for your hard work.
	It's always informative.
	Yes.
	And we would love to go to a Miss Florida meetup, too.
	Me.
	Matt in Brighton.
	And she came in with $103.15.
	Matt in Brighton.
	Oh, yes.
	Matt gave us an empty envelope during the meetup.
	Yeah.
	And this, he says, is filling the empty envelope I gave Adam.
	Matt of Brighton.
	Thank you for your courage.
	Appreciate it.
	Cute.
	Gregory McGregor in Madrid, España.
	$100.01.
	Does he have a dad here?
	He's got some two-year-old son, former jingle for...
	Oh, he's karma for his wife.
	We'll put that at the end for you.
	Yes, for sure.
	Special shout-out to all producers in Spain.
	Donald Gogan, $99.99.
	Newsletter call, donation, Father's Day, no.
	Dame Bang Bang, ah, with my smoking hot husband, Sir DH Slammer, a happy Father's Day and a happy birthday on June 20.
	He's one of the guys who monitors the newsletter and where it shows up in what mailbox.
	And so he comes with this last one.
	It came in.
	The last mailing was weird because...
	He came in and said it went to the regular box.
	And there was a lot of kickback, a lot of auto replies.
	When there was more than three of those, I know that the newsletter went out.
	Ah, okay.
	He's a canary in the coal mine.
	Well, he's one of them.
	Every single other monitor I have, and there's about five or six of them, they all said it went into promotions.
	The thing is completely baffling.
	He says, I wish my smoking hot husband, Sir D.H. Slammer, a happy Father's Day and a happy birthday on June 18th.
	I think we congratulated him on the last show for that as well.
	Here are some boobs for your special day, which he's saying to Sir D.H. Slammer, not to us, sadly.
	Love you, mean it.
	Love you, mean it.
	Can I get a boobs ballpark jingle and some gold karma?
	She's the Baroness of the Central California coast.
	Yeah, what?
	Wine growing.
	Boobs Ballpark?
	I don't know.
	Let me see.
	Grant Convey 8008 for my dad, Ron.
	George Kunath, 70.
	Wish his dad a happy Father's Day.
	Trevor Naismith.
	The inventor of basketball.
	Yes.
	Douchebag call-out for Uncle...
	Uncle Bobber or Bober?
	Douchebag!
	You've been listening for years.
	Add some value for value.
	The show got you through enough multiple deployments.
	N-K-A... Wait, hold on.
	N-K-A-W-T-G-N. No karma.
	No karma and with T-G-N. No karma and...
	I don't know.
	We should know this.
	We should know this.
	I don't know what...
	We'll figure it out.
	Eric Spunseller, 6666, Black Knight...
	Is he the Black?
	No.
	Black Knight of the Surlineman of the Net, Raleigh Hawk.
	Yes.
	Anna, Illinois, 6611.
	James Durante, 6161.
	And he wishes us a Happy Father's Day and to his dad.
	Happy Father's Day, dad to my dad, John, and to myself, ITM. Yes, thank you.
	SirDaddyCast, 6160.
	He wishes a Happy Father's Day to Crackpot, Buzzkill, and the producers, Pops.
	David Ritchie, 6133.
	Happy Father's Day, everyone.
	Show 1139 was outstanding.
	Who's 1139?
	We've had this feedback before on 1139.
	Ryan Brady, $58, from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in honor of his late father.
	I'd like to have loved listening to you guys.
	Miguel Lopez, in Flanders, New Jersey, 5678.
	Happy Father's Day to my dad, Tony Lopez.
	1139 was your interview show.
	Oh.
	Lee Scarbeck, in Springfield, Pennsylvania, 5510, for my dad, Jimmy.
	We've got a lot of dads.
	I think we were kind of off there.
	A lot of people love their dads.
	Yeah, well, I'm sorry I said otherwise.
	Sir Milkman, the 5150, our dear grandpa passed away two weeks ago.
	He's a loving father and stepfather to our dad.
	Sir Patrick Coble there in Murfreesboro, or nearby, 5136.
	Happy Father's Day to my dad and to all the producers that are dads, too.
	Some travel karma as I head back from the London meetup.
	What a great group of people, and I think they will be doing it again.
	It was a more difficult task to pay for almost everyone's tab, but I was able to...
	Did Patrick wind up paying for everybody?
	That's what it sounds like.
	And he does that.
	This guy, he is a true gem of a human resource.
	What a great guy.
	The Earl of Tennessee, Sir Patrick Coble.
	Thank you so much.
	Yeah, he's quite entertaining to talk to.
	I was able to treat a lot of people with drinks, which was fun.
	Thank you both for everything you do for this community after going to now four different meetups, Nashville, Sacramento, Train Museum, Des Moines, and London.
	It is clear you are all building a community of similar-thinking people that may not all agree, but can deconstruct news and have different opinions without getting upset.
	That's correct.
	Matthew Smith, $51 in the UK. Sir Jackson in Levelyn, Texas, 50-50.
	I'd like to do a Father's Day call out for my dad, Dan Butler.
	My grandpa, Harold...
	Harold Corder and my father-in-law sent those.
	Karma for all the fathers out there.
	We'll put that at the end.
	John Camp in Antlers, Oklahoma.
	50.
	The following people are $50 donors.
	Name and location, if possible.
	Sir Jackson was in Levelin, Texas.
	John Camp is in Antlers, Oklahoma.
	Chris Serena, I'm thinking.
	Cantania, 50.
	Parts unknown.
	Dame Beth.
	Dame Karen Selsor.
	Sir Bradley Selsor, best dad in the universe from Dame Karen.
	John Holler in Missoula, Montana.
	Keith Yarborough in Austin, Texas.
	Pate Snakes in Amsterdam.
	Sir Pate.
	Sir Pate.
	Sir Chris Lewinsky, for that matter, in Sherwood, Alberta, once the richest place in Canada.
	And last but not least, Oliver Reich in South San Francisco, California, who should come to one of our meet-ups when we do him around here.
	Let's see what else we have here.
	We have a Father's Day call from Melissa to the best dads I know, my smoking hot best boyfriend, Mark Stewart.
	We have a birthday from one guy.
	We have Matthew Funk.
	I think he's saying Happy Father's Day to Bob Funk in Bakersfield.
	Lisa Stelter, Happy Father's Day to Paul from Lisa, Amelia, and Sammy, and our soon-to-be new human resource, Olivia.
	And let me scroll down.
	I think that's what we have.
	One of our producers sent me an email.
	Let me see if I can find this.
	It was a Happy Father's Day card from his 15-year-old.
	He sent me a picture of it.
	It says, Happy birthday to the best dad in the universe, according to the Mueller report.
	Now that's a cool kid.
	I like that a lot.
	It's very funny.
	Well, that's it then.
	That's our group of well-wishers and Father's Day greeters.
	There'll be some carryover in the next show on Thursday.
	I'm sure there's a few people who came in late with some well-wishes for their father, and we'll put that on the next show.
	So just stay tuned.
	You will not be forgotten.
	Yeah, all of the donations and support of the show were always appreciated.
	And I think it is pretty clear that producers love dads more than moms.
	I can't help it.
	It's just what it is.
	I'm having to agree with you.
	It's what it seems to be.
	We, of course...
	Poor moms.
	They always get the...
	They always get gypped.
	I know.
	Poor moms.
	Get gypped!
	We do appreciate everyone's support of the show, including those under $50, which is often for reasons of anonymity.
	We did a couple of them today because they specifically called out their dads for Happy Father's Day.
	And Happy Father's Day to you, John.
	Might as well just say that while we're...
	Well, Happy Father's Day to you.
	Thank you very much.
	And, oh, good news, podcastlicense.com seems to be resolved.
	I think that we're getting that back up and running, so those of you who have a boarding pass, that should be working again, and I should be able to work on the backlog to get some of those boarding passes set up.
	If you don't know exactly what we're talking about, there's many ways to support the show.
	If you want to find out all the different ways, you can go to dvorak.org slash n-a.
	And find out everything you need to know about it.
	We'll have another show on Thursday coming to you from Portugal, at least half of the show.
	And as requested, we need a couple of karmas.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	You've got karma. You've got karma.
	You've got karma.
	You've got karma.
	Yeah, we really only have two.
	Today is the 16th of June, 2019.
	Joao Alves turns 33 tomorrow, the magic number.
	And we might as well say happy birthday again to Sir D.H. Slammer, who will be celebrating on the 18th of June.
	Happy birthday from us and everybody here at the Best Podcast in the Universe.
	It's your birthday, yeah!
	Come gather round douchebags, produce and sleigh.
	Is we all thank your brothers and sisters who gave And some of them nights, some of them days Two title changes on deck today, and that is often because of the upgrade in status.
	With another $1,000 support of the show, Sir John the Brewer now becomes Sir Rocketman, Baron of the Bay.
	Congratulations.
	And Sir Dave becomes Viscount of America's Heartland and Saudi Arabia.
	And thank you also for your support.
	A quick look at our meetups.
	Now, this just came in.
	I don't think it's listed yet on noagendameetup.com.
	By the way, is it just me?
	Are we missing a place on noagendameetups.com to add a report and photos of how it went?
	Seems like that's something that belongs there, don't you think?
	That would be a bad idea.
	Yeah, upload the picture.
	Yeah, well, ask Mimi if she can talk to the team over at noagendameetups.com.
	So June 28th, that'll be next...
	What is it?
	Next week, Salem, Oregon.
	That's Friday the 28th.
	Local 33, South, will be hosting a meeting.
	So that should be on no agenda meetups.com today, hopefully.
	Then also July 4th, Seattle, Washington.
	July 9th, Knoxville, Tennessee.
	The 13th, Atlanta, Georgia.
	And two on July 20th, Southwest London into effect again.
	Also Buffalo, New York.
	Find out all of the meetups in your area.
	Or start one yourself.
	By going to noagendameetups.com.
	And thank you all for your courage in supporting the program.
	PC Magazine hates us.
	Well, they've never put us on their top podcast list.
	Now, my advice to people...
	Let me just explain what we're talking about, because no one understands it.
	They have the best podcasts for 2019.
	Podcasts offer you a great way to pass the time, whether you're commuting, working, or relaxing.
	Check out our staff's 64 favorite podcasts in eight categories.
	And we're not listed anywhere.
	No, of course not.
	Now, I would, if you notice, the author of that article leaves his email address there.
	And all email addresses for everybody at PC Magazine is the same as first name, underlying last name.
	Ben Moore.
	Ben Moore.
	Yes, Ben Moore.
	Ben Moore or something.
	He has a kid.
	Looks like he's a young millennial.
	Probably never heard of us ever.
	And, yeah, just write him a note saying, hey, you know, you should maybe write him maybe a couple notes.
	Well, they actually say, it actually says right here in the article, it says, our collection is just a small sampling of podcasts, though there are certainly many more quality ones out there.
	If your favorite is not on the list, let us know in the comments.
	Yeah, well, you should do that, too.
	And cinnamon.
	I guarantee that they will ignore the comments.
	There's one comment.
	Nobody reads this magazine anymore.
	Sorry.
	There's one comment from Kevlar Editor.
	Kevlar Editor.
	The No Agenda show should be on this list.
	There you go.
	That's the No Agenda Nation.
	Thank you, guys.
	We get no respect.
	Well, yeah.
	It's mostly...
	The problem is that these podcast, bullcrap podcasts, the ones that are largely repurposed NPR shows, is not a podcast.
	Michael Savage is actually doing a podcast.
	He's been kind of kicked off the air for some reason.
	It started with WABC in New York.
	Yeah, he got kicked off by Ben Shapiro.
	Shapiro, yeah, has taken over.
	Shapiro's a neocon, pretty much.
	A Trump-hating neocon who just puts up with Trump so he doesn't get hate mail.
	And seriously, it's the only reason he doesn't.
	And if you remember, he's the one who did the setup with Lewinsky.
	They got Lewinsky fired where that girl was manhandled by Lewandowski or whatever.
	Lewandowski is his name.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Oh, you're hurt!
	And then you watch the video, and you can see nothing came of it.
	It was bullcrap.
	And then, you know, she tweeted a picture of her wrist was bruised.
	Yeah, and then, yeah.
	Makeup will do that, by the way.
	Good makeup, you know how you use makeup, you can make anything look bruised.
	So she got a picture, and so Shapiro got all bent out of shape, because Breitbart knew this was a scam, or bullcrap, And so he got bent out of shape and said, oh, my God, I'm quitting.
	I'm quitting Breitbart.
	I'm going to go.
	We're going to start our own magazine.
	It was obviously in the works, The Daily Caller.
	Ah, yes.
	He went over there, and that's where he created his podcast, which became a radio show.
	And I'm not going to say he's not a decent broadcaster.
	I mean, he's not the best I've ever heard, but he's professional enough that he can do it.
	Mm-hmm.
	And, but he's still a Trump, you know, he was a Trump hater all along.
	And now he relents.
	He relents.
	Because what's his choice?
	He's got no other choice.
	He's got to fall in line with one of these Democrats or no good.
	So, but he's a neocon of sorts.
	And I don't trust him.
	You know, the Keeper used to listen to him a lot, and she actually kind of got turned off by his transitions to ads.
	She says, so jarring.
	It's so jarring.
	That's where his professionalism lacks.
	Yeah.
	He cannot move into ad reads.
	He can't even seg.
	I mean, his segues are so dorky.
	And then it's a...
	Before you know it, like, what is this?
	It's just yelling at you with an ad.
	Apparently...
	I think she stopped listening because of that.
	Because of the odd...
	Yeah, just jarring.
	She said jarring.
	It is jarring.
	He's not good at that.
	That's a certain skill that he doesn't have.
	But he clearly has an audience of hot chicks.
	Maybe.
	No, I'm pretty sure.
	For some reason, some women consider him to be a handsome, fast talker.
	There you go.
	Quick on the draw.
	He's definitely a guy you wouldn't want to get into an argument with because he is a quick-witted, very quick.
	Let's see.
	Oh, yes, I've been holding on to this for a bit here.
	Let's see.
	We have some Green New Deal stuff.
	What did I... Oh, yeah, California.
	It's very interesting.
	Uber Alice!
	Yeah.
	You know, California...
	Is now trying to, and there's reasons for this, is trying to cement into the psyche that hydropower, i.e.
	water, is not renewable energy.
	They don't want it to count as renewable energy, where I think it's just like sun and wind.
	Isn't it kind of the definition of renewable energy?
	Yeah, you put a dam up, it fills up, and water goes through the dam and creates electricity.
	It rains, fills the dam up, and goes through.
	Yeah, it's very renewable.
	How is it less renewable than sunshine?
	Well, here's where it becomes important.
	I'm sorry, important.
	It becomes important where they have targets to hit.
	By 2030, 60% of all electricity in California needs to come from renewable sources.
	So does this mean that they're trying to get more money into wind and solar and say, oh, no, no, that doesn't count.
	You can't say that that's part of our 60%.
	More money into wind and solar.
	Whereas I think hydropower is, without question, very effective.
	Well, they've been taking some dams out.
	No, brother.
	And they did that in Washington State, too.
	They screwed up some area.
	Why?
	Why are they taking the dams out?
	The fish.
	The fish are having trouble getting extreme.
	Oh, the fish.
	Well, here's the doofus of the week clip from...
	Trudeau, your Scandinavian PM. This is virtue signaling gone wrong, where he is asked about what he's really doing to conserve and to be a part of, you know, not ruining the environment.
	What do you and your family do to cut back on plastics?
	We have recently switched to drinking water bottles out of, when we have water bottles, out of plastic, sorry, away from plastic towards paper, like drink box water bottles sort of things.
	There's a number...
	What drink box water stuff things are out there?
	Drink box water bottles type of things.
	You want to hear that one again?
	Because it's so good.
	It's a beauty.
	You and your family do to cut back on plastics.
	Yeah.
	We have recently switched to drinking water bottles out of, when we have water bottles, out of plastic, sorry, away from plastic towards paper, like drink box water bottles sort of thing.
	Drink box water.
	Can I have a drink box water bottle thing kind of for you, please?
	We don't use plastic.
	We're good.
	We're good for the environment.
	That's virtue signaling gone wrong, ladies and gentlemen.
	Well, it's an epic fail.
	Yes.
	What name?
	Show me a picture of one of these drink box water thingies.
	So the FCC is working on some tactics here regarding 5G, which...
	It's probably worth looking at.
	Now, we know that as 5G rolls out, there's a whole bunch of issues with where the microwave transmitters are going to be placed.
	And already we have municipalities are...
	Everyone's passing laws.
	They want to make sure that not too much money can be spent.
	The networks are looking for ways, easy ways, to pay people with properties to put up antennas, basically.
	And there's an acronym for it.
	It's OTARD. Which I like a lot.
	OTARD, everybody!
	It turns out the Federal Communications Commission, the FCC, has an old rule called the OTARD rule, which stands for Over-The-Air Reception Device.
	The rule was adopted as part of the 1996 Telecommunications Act.
	And it prohibits any local authority or private landlord from restricting the right of homeowners or tenants to install a satellite dish or other antenna to receive video signals.
	Back in 2002, in response to the fast-growing internet, the FCC changed the wording of this rule to include transmitting antennas as well as receiving antennas.
	But even then, the antenna had to be primarily for use by the tenant or homeowner.
	The OTARD rule has never, ever applied to transmitting antennas intended to send signals to other people in the neighborhood until now.
	The FCC has quietly Ooh!
	This would allow any homeowner to have a 5G wireless antenna installed on his property and, according to the FCC, empower consumers to help bring competitive wireless broadband to their communities by hosting hub sites.
	Since the antennas will be on private property, there will be no hearing, no notice, no opportunity to object.
	You might not even know about it, unless, of course, you had a meter to measure the radiation.
	So this is concerning that your neighbor can now put one...
	Well, when the rule changes, your neighbor could put up a hub and be...
	Stop the rule.
	Sorry?
	Stop the rule.
	Yeah, but they're all for the rule.
	It's a dumb rule.
	Now, let's start...
	This is now...
	I'm very irked about this, by the way.
	I'm glad you are.
	So, I have one of these 5G repeaters in my roof for the beam down on my neighbors, let's say.
	Yes, to fry them.
	Do I get paid?
	Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You'll get paid.
	How much?
	I don't know yet, but I'm sure handsomely.
	I know you get paid handsomely if you have a giant cell tower with a whole bunch of antennas and radios on there.
	You've seen this.
	There's a bookstore, one of the most famous bookstores in Detroit.
	That is an old used bookstore that's like six, seven stories high of all the maybe taller of just a fantastic collection of old books.
	And everyone in Detroit knows this place.
	It's very famous.
	And I've always wondered how they ever make a living because all the good old bookstores like Holmes in Oakland, for example, have been shut down because they really, you know, nobody buys books.
	Nobody gives a shit.
	But then I saw on the roof, they have a huge antenna array.
	They're making all their money, you know, By selling their roof to the cell phone guys.
	And they make a lot of money.
	I think you get paid a fortune for having one of these towers, like 10 grand a month.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, that's pretty damn good.
	And there was a number floating around.
	I can't remember it.
	But if you're going to put this thing in your house and you're going to be sitting there as a stool pigeon stupid transmitter, you better get paid a grand or two.
	Yeah.
	They can't afford it.
	But regardless, you'll be called an otard.
	I just like the name.
	We got all kinds of tards and I'm happy that if you're all in, this is just a new no agenda rule.
	If you're all in on 5G, you're an otard.
	I advise people, I have one of these, getting some of these signal processing, little handheld devices.
	You should have two of them.
	You should have one that does radio frequency and it can sense all these frequencies around so you can see if you've got a...
	Do you have a spectrum analyzer?
	What do you have?
	Yes, exactly.
	Which one?
	I want to know what you have so we can offer these.
	I have to go...
	I've kind of lost it in the house, but it's...
	Oh, don't worry.
	It's under some recipes somewhere.
	It's around.
	The other one is, I was looking at this because I was watching some guy floating around in one of his YouTube videos with his little Geiger counter.
	And he had the brand.
	He showed the Geiger counter.
	And I looked up the brand.
	I said, this Geiger counter costs $1,000.
	It's a little expensive.
	I started looking into Amazon for Geiger counters.
	And there's some pretty cheap Geiger counters you can get.
	That apparently are quite good.
	But what does it respond to?
	It responds to plutonium or uranium or any radiation?
	I have one of those old-school World War II yellow ones.
	Yeah, those are great.
	Does it have the probe or not?
	I like the ones that have a little probe.
	It does have a probe.
	Oh.
	Well, that probably still works because it's a Geiger tube.
	Which is what the probe is.
	But you can buy these little Geiger tubes, and you can put one on your phone, and it works.
	I think Apple has some software, so you can put the Geiger tube on your Apple phone, and then you can turn it on and run the software.
	But you should have one of these.
	We should sell them.
	Because there's radiation sneaking around.
	Yes, OTAR detectors.
	Well, this wouldn't be for otards.
	That's the other thing.
	You need the RF frequency analyzer for that.
	Oh, okay.
	But there's the devices.
	Everyone should have a couple of these.
	You should have two of these devices.
	You should have an RF frequency analyzer and you should have a handheld Geiger counter.
	And you should just check stuff.
	You don't know.
	Everybody needs one.
	Listen up, people.
	You need one of these.
	Frequency analyzer, spectrum analyzer, and a Geiger counter.
	Geiger counter.
	How can you live without it?
	We should be selling iodine.
	Just a thought.
	Well, I don't know about that.
	I'm not getting that far off the topic.
	Well, let's take a look.
	Here's a couple of dumb stories.
	Oh, no, let's go back to politics.
	So this is a classic, and this is two people presenting the story.
	This is just killing me.
	Kellyanne Conway and the Hatch Act.
	I got two clips.
	Let's start with the PBS version.
	Okay.
	The White House today dismissed a call to fire presidential aide Kellyanne Conway.
	The U.S. Office of Special Counsel, unrelated to Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office, said that Conway repeatedly violated the Hatch Act.
	A law that limits political activity by government employees.
	The independent agency cited Conway's criticism of Democratic presidential candidates.
	It also quoted her as saying, The White House condemned the finding as deeply flawed.
	So the Hatch Act was designed to keep people, you know, their president from taking everybody in the White House and having them do calls, phone calls to get money.
	I mean, that's pretty much what the thing was designed for.
	Kellyanne goes out and she says, yeah, this guy's an idiot.
	Oh, that's political, that's political, she says.
	It's not really political, it's a comment, and it's probably accurate.
	But let's hear it, because democracy now takes it to the next level, and they really slam her.
	A federal watchdog recommended Thursday Kellyanne Conway be removed from her post as White House counselor for violating the Hatch Act, a law barring federal employees from engaging in political activity as part of their official duties.
	In a report submitted to President Trump, the Office of Special Counsel called Conway a repeat offender, saying she's repeatedly used TV appearances and social media to disparage Democratic presidential candidates.
	Among Conway's ethics violations, she twice violated the Hatch Act by endorsing Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore while speaking in her official capacity for the White House.
	In early 2017, Conway used an appearance on Fox& Friends to promote the Ivanka Trump clothing line sold by the president's daughter.
	30 seconds.
	Go buy Ivanka's stuff is what I would tell you.
	I'm going to go get some of it myself today.
	It's a wonderful line.
	I own some of it.
	I fully, I'm going to just give it, I'm going to give a free commercial here.
	Go buy it today, everybody.
	You can find it online.
	Legal experts say the Office of Special Counsel does not have the authority to discipline Conway and President Trump can simply ignore the agency's recommendation.
	Hold on, hold on.
	So how does her saying, hey, Ivanka Trump, make some nice clothes, go buy it?
	How is that political?
	I'm asking you.
	Well, I'm confused about something else.
	About this constant, it's not Robert Mueller.
	But on one hand, it was Democracy Now!
	was this is the special counsel's office.
	But in the PBS, it was, well, this is PBS.
	The White House today dismissed a call to fire presidential aide Kellyanne Conway.
	The U.S. Office of Special Counsel, unrelated to Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office, The U.S. Office of Special Counsel.
	I'm not familiar with the U.S. Office of Special Counsel.
	What is that?
	I don't know, but apparently they're busybodies.
	They have no power and they make all these edicts.
	And why don't they do it with all the press?
	I mean, it's like, this is bull crap.
	I mean, it's the worst kind of bull crap.
	They're just grasping at straws.
	They're doing the same thing with this clip here.
	Unfortunately, I wrote it Trump as R-E-U, because M-O, Rumo.
	Rumo violates election laws.
	Way to go.
	The head of the Federal Elections Commission warned Thursday that candidates for public office are prohibited by law from receiving help from a foreign government.
	The warning was a clear rebuke to President Trump after he told ABC's George Stephanopoulos this week that he might accept dirt on political rivals from foreign actors in the 2020 election.
	Your campaign this time around, if foreigners, if Russia, if China, if someone else offers you information on opponents, should they accept it or should they call the FBI? I think maybe you do both.
	I think you might want to listen.
	There's nothing wrong with listening.
	If somebody called...
	From a country, Norway.
	We have information on your opponent.
	Oh, I think I'd want to hear it.
	You want that kind of interference in our elections?
	It's not an interference.
	They have information.
	I think I'd take it.
	In a statement posted online one day after Trump's remarks aired on ABC, FEC Chair Ellen Weintraub said, Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office.
	It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a...
	I really want to know what Norway knows, because these things don't come out of just nowhere.
	The United States Office of Special Counsel is a permanent, independent, federal investigative and prosecutorial agency whose basic legislative authority comes from four federal statutes.
	The Civil Service Reform Act, the Whistleblower Protection Act, the Hatch Act and the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act.
	OSC's primary mission is the safeguarding of the merit system in federal employment by protecting employees and applicants from prohibited personnel practices.
	So they should have actually gone to Kellyanne Conway and said, hey, you should not be doing this.
	Instead, they go to the media, I guess is what I'm seeing.
	Well, if you reread what you just read, which is the prosecutorial aspect of it, why don't they indict her?
	Why don't they prosecute her?
	If they're prosecutorial, which is what it said that what you read...
	Yes.
	Well, this is Wikipedia, so who knows?
	Well, it could be wrong, but generally speaking with this sort of thing, they're not wrong.
	So if that's the case, because everyone disclaims, well, he doesn't have to do anything.
	He doesn't have to do anything.
	Well, why don't they do it?
	Well, hold on.
	There's some exemptions here.
	The Hatch Act of 1939, officially an act to prevent pernicious political activities, Is a United States federal law whose main provision prohibits employees in the executive branch of the federal government except the president, vice president, and certain designated high-level officials from engaging in some forms of political activity?
	So let's take a look at who these high-level officials could be.
	So what are the exemptions?
	Well, they wouldn't have made a fuss if Kellyanne was an exemption.
	So the exemption has to be the vice president for sure.
	Well, it says vice president and certain designated high-level officials.
	Has anyone been prosecuted under this?
	Ever?
	This is a bullcrap operator.
	This is a drinking club.
	There's a bunch of these little government agencies that do nothing more.
	Hey, we haven't done a report in five years.
	What are we going to do?
	So these employees who fall under the Hatch Act may not use official authority or influence to interfere with an election.
	Jeez, that's pretty broad.
	What's that to do with Ivanka Trump's dresses?
	Solicit or discourage political activity of anyone with business before their agency.
	Solicit or receive political contributions...
	Oh, there it is, because she received some clothing.
	Be candidates for public office in partisan elections, engage in political activities while on duty in government office, wearing an official uniform, using a government vehicle.
	It is bullcrap.
	It's total bullcrap.
	You know what it is?
	It's misogynist is what it is.
	Well, in this case, yes, I agree.
	Completely misogynist.
	So, unfortunately, Sarah Sanders is quitting.
	I do have a clip to announce that.
	Separately, President Trump announced that White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders is leaving at the end of the month.
	At a White House event, he called her a warrior.
	Sanders said she's going home to Arkansas to spend more time with her family.
	This has been the honor of a lifetime, the opportunity of a lifetime.
	I couldn't be prouder to have had the opportunity to serve my country and particularly to work for this president.
	In the meantime, I'm going to continue to be one of the most outspoken and loyal supporters of the president and his agenda.
	Sanders worked on the Trump campaign, joined the White House staff, and took over as press secretary in mid-2017.
	Her tenure was marked by the end of regular media briefings and questions about her credibility.
	On the virtue-signaling Twitter, it was quite discouraging to see fellow countrymen post such stuff as, I hope she never works again, that lying bitch!
	Jeez, people, leave her...
	It's really...
	I've got to wonder how many people there are like that.
	It's a cesspool, that's for sure.
	I have one here about the president.
	You and I, we know we disagree about that, but we have a whole day ahead to go on this.
	Before we go, one of the things you have as president is the access to all the information in the world, all the mysteries out there.
	And I was just struck in the last...
	We're reading more and more reports of Navy pilots seeing lots and lots of UFOs.
	Have you been briefed on that?
	What do you think of it?
	I think it's probably...
	I want them to think whatever they think.
	They do say.
	I mean, I've seen and I've read and I've heard, and I did have one very brief meeting on it, but people are saying they're seeing UFOs.
	Do I believe it?
	Not particularly.
	Do you think you'd know if there were evidence of extraterrestrials?
	Well, I think our great pilots would know.
	And some of them really see things that are a little bit different than in the past.
	So we're going to see.
	But we'll watch it.
	You'll be the first to know.
	Yeah.
	He won't be the first to know, so that's a lie.
	Lie!
	That would go down as a lie.
	Yeah.
	So if he really knows everything, the question I would have asked was, so did you ever see the birth certificate?
	That's the question I'd want to know.
	These guys aren't asking anything that we'd ask.
	There's probably a good reason for it.
	Yeah, that's why we're here.
	Doing a podcast.
	I'll give you one more, then we gotta go.
	It's time.
	Well, I actually have two.
	I need to put two in because one of them is a story.
	One's short.
	It's 26 seconds.
	Just to get it out of the way.
	This is the heat wave in India.
	So we know this is not being reported.
	Meanwhile, Indian officials are blaming an intense heat wave and drought for at least 36 deaths in some regions south of Mumbai, India.
	Whole villages have been evacuated, with an estimated 90% of residents fleeing their homes in recent weeks due to searing drought and crop failures.
	On Monday, India's capital, Delhi, recorded an all-time high temperature of 48 degrees Celsius, nearly 120 degrees Fahrenheit.
	Wait, that was the whole report?
	That can't be the whole report.
	But because she didn't go on and on about global warming?
	Yeah, the climate crisis.
	Yeah, I know.
	The next segment she brought it up.
	Oh, okay.
	But it wasn't about this.
	I don't know why she didn't bring it up.
	It was actually baffling.
	Yes.
	It's totally baffling.
	I agree.
	And the last clip is just to catch us up so we can keep up with this.
	There's a lot of clips I can play, but we do have to keep up with China versus Hong Kong.
	This is the update, so 149 is a long clip.
	After a week of protests, a concession from the head of Hong Kong's government.
	She announced the indefinite suspension of a controversial bill that would allow extraditions to mainland China.
	My relevant colleagues and I have made our best efforts But I have to admit that our explanation and communication work has not been sufficient or effective.
	The Council will halt its work in relation to the Bill until our work in communication, explanation and listening to opinions is completed.
	The move comes amid intense pressure from the street.
	More than a million demonstrators last weekend, according to organizers, followed by another mass march on Wednesday.
	That protest was marked by clashes with the police, who fired off rubber bullets as well as tear gas.
	Opponents of the bill aren't satisfied with the government's announcement.
	They're maintaining a call to protest on Sunday.
	If this bill passes, it's definitely unfair to Hong Kong.
	We don't want postponements or more deliberations.
	It must be a withdrawal.
	We will definitely come out and stand our ground Sunday and tell them we won't retreat without withdrawal of the bill.
	A pro-democracy lawmaker also expressed disappointment, criticizing Hong Kong chief executive Carrie Lam.
	If she refuses to withdraw, to scrap this controversial bill altogether, it would mean that we wouldn't retreat.
	Carrie Lam has lost all credibility amongst the Hong Kong people.
	She must step down.
	Critics of the proposed law say it encroaches on Hong Kong's autonomy.
	China, for its part, says it supports the decision to suspend the bill.
	One of our producers who is a Chinese-Canadian-American sent me a note Kind of a scathing note.
	He says, I'd like to get...
	And I called him on.
	I said, you cannot bitch at us.
	If you're boots on the ground or you're Chinese and you are reading stuff and you know what's happening, you need to tell us and not come out and bitch that we suck because we didn't get it right.
	Apparently this law stems from a case of failed extradition which set a murderer free.
	This guy chopped up his girlfriend, his pregnant girlfriend, cut her up into pieces and then stuffed her into his briefcase.
	He escaped back to Hong Kong and so the Taiwanese failed to extradite him back to Taiwan for trial.
	And so somehow this then led to this extradition order so they could pull people back from anywhere.
	But the Genesis was a brutal murderer.
	And I think that we, us, U.S., probably took advantage of the situation and helped stoke these protests to make China look stupid.
	Of course.
	That's what we do.
	Yeah.
	And we did a damn good job.
	What's it got to do with the mainland?
	Well, because they want to be able to extradite from anywhere.
	Well, we know what they want to do, but if it was Taiwan, why don't they just ship the guy back to Taiwan?
	Hey, I'm just reading the news our producers give us.
	I don't have the answers, but I'm pretty sure we were all up in arms and happy to stoke some of these protests and get everybody crazy.
	I still am.
	Yes, it's ongoing.
	has not stopped yet.
	It's pretty good.
	It's the same way I feel about bringing Assange in under some screwball pretense.
	Exactly.
	And these million people, there's over a million people that are bitching and moaning in Hong Kong.
	They can't, well, they're all wrong and there's, you know, the Chinese are right and they're misunderstood.
	According to Lam, that's what she says, it's a failure to communicate.
	This is nonsense.
	Well, hopefully more of our producers will weigh in with more information, which we will gladly disseminate to you, or decimate as some would say, on the next episode.
	Which will be Thursday, and I'll be in Portugal.
	John will be somewhere in northern Silicon Valley.
	Waiting in line at Target.
	If you're listening to us on NoAgendaStream.com, we've got Rhino the Bearded coming up next.
	And thanks to Jesse Coy Nelson, Tom Starkweather, for the end of show mixes.
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	And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We return on Thursday right here on No Agenda.
	Remember us at thevorak.org slash NA. Until then, adios mofos and such.
	Not gonna happen.
	These guys, this is the dumbest versus the smarts.
	This is what we heard from everybody.
	When I'm a sicko Rachel Maddow and I'm sicko Sean Hannity.
	They're creatures of their opinion.
	The left-right paradigm gives me insanity.
	You trying to tell me about the booga booga?
	Well, every time I watch a news to give it another try, someone always says, you're all gonna die.
	Sometimes I wonder what I can do.
	The Witch and the Cure is bad summertime news.
	Hurricanes, storms, wildfires.
	We are dying now.
	These are the discussions that have to be happening right now!
	Well, I heard a native ad and it made the news phony.
	Oreo cookies and a new study tonight.
	How can I sit around and consume so much baloney?
	I got so used to getting news off the internet.
	So I threw my TV out cause it made me sick.
	Living on a deserted island might do the trick.
	Sometimes I wonder what I can do.
	New Agenda cures bad summertime blues.
	Ah!
	I wanted to get a news story, but I'm reading about face payment.
	I try to click out of it, but the eye is following me.
	It's following me all over the screen.
	Operation Mockingbird plays agents in news stations.
	Anderson Cooper has three security guards all around him now.
	Propaganda's legal due to U.S. legislation.
	You're binged for date, guys.
	So I called my congressman and he told me, quote, Shut your mouth, slave, and don't forget to vote.
	Sometimes I don't know what I'm going to do.
	But no agenda cures bad summer news.
	And don't forget to show your love and donate or I'm going to come and find you.
	Tensions rising in the Gulf following the tanker attack near Iran.
	The Islamic Republic of Iran is responsible for the attacks that occurred in the Gulf of Oman today.
	An attack that came exactly as Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe met with Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's supreme leader.
	If you actually look at domestic shale producers' stocks yesterday, they all went up.
	The U.S. shale boom is insulating the U.S. economy and financial markets from events like this, which is really good news for the U.S. economy.
	This assessment is based on intelligence.
	Isn't that right, intelligence?
	That is affirmative.
	Yeah, it is inexcusably inaccurate to suggest that anyone lied about it.
	The idea that we doctored such intelligence is completely and totally false.
	You talked about how you felt to your stomach when you found out there were no weapons of mass destruction.
	In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now.
	A rogue state with weapons of mass destruction.
	You know, I wish we'd have found weapons of mass destruction.
	Bottom line, there were no weapons of mass destruction.
	They said there are weapons of mass destruction.
	I was against the war.
	Of course there are things I would do differently.
	And I actually, you know, have thought about that time.
	There'd be more skepticism in the American Congress in autumn of 2002.
	That war could not have been waged, at least not, at any rate, not on the basis of weapons of mass destruction.
	The one about the tubes that suggested, you know, When The Times published that story on the front page, it was kind of a welcome sign for Dick Cheney and Condi Rice to go on the Sunday show.
	The US blamed Iran and will raise the issue in a United Nations Security Council meeting.
	These unprovoked attacks present a clear threat to international peace and security, a blatant assault on the freedom of navigation, And an unacceptable campaign of escalating tension by Iran.
	I want to make the case for secrecy in government when it comes to the conduct of national security affairs, and possibly for deception where that's appropriate.
	If I had to say something I knew was false to protect American national security, I would do it.
	Obviously, the war in Iraq was a big, fat mistake.
	All right?
	Well, Iran did do it, and you know they did it because you saw the boat.
	I guess one of the mines didn't explode, and it's probably got essentially Iran written all over it.
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