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	Nowadays, arrest them.
	Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
	And Sunday, March 25th, 2018, this is your award-winning Gimbo Nation Media Assassination, episode 1019.
	This is no agenda.
	White-knuckling through the battery car experience and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state here in downtown Austin, Tejas, in the Cludio Inn.
	The morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I'm feeling my oats.
	And they're making a mess all over my hands.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill in the morning!
	Uh, what?
	What?
	What about your oats messing up your hand?
	I was feeling my oats.
	I had a handful.
	Oh.
	Is Mimi writing for you again?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	My materials are far superior.
	Well, we almost didn't have a show, John.
	What happened?
	I, uh...
	Did you get protested by the kids?
	Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
	I had a full-on, overnight, point-of-no-return test drive in a battery car.
	It crapped out?
	No, no, no.
	It didn't crap out, but the former New York banker, he needed to go to Galveston, and I've always said, hey, anytime you need my truck, you take the truck, leave the Tesla with me.
	Yeah.
	So he calls me up and says, I've got to take my kid to Galveston.
	Then the Tesla can't make it.
	I said, well, this weekend I happened to be going to Bryan College Station.
	Which is 110 miles from Austin.
	Oh yeah, no problem.
	You can go round trip on the Tesla.
	No, no, sir.
	I mean, no.
	No, no, no, no.
	The Tesla will do really real road performance about 180 miles.
	No, no, that's not true.
	Okay, I just did this.
	I'm just telling you, I've just seen the specs.
	Yes.
	I've heard.
	I've heard what Elon has said.
	Oh, Elon!
	Specschmech.
	Who am I supposed to believe, you or Elon?
	I got it.
	I just got it.
	Do you mind if I just run through my experience so we can just have a final, a final, final on the battery car known as the Tesla?
	Go.
	Okay.
	So he's all worried.
	He's like, oh, you won't make it.
	So now I'm staying overnight.
	Don't worry about it.
	I'll find a place.
	Hold on a second.
	He owns the car?
	Yes.
	And he says you won't make it when it's a known fact they do 350 miles?
	350 miles?
	Which Tesla is that?
	That's all of them.
	No.
	I don't know which one he has.
	The S90. I don't know which model.
	I think that's the hot rod.
	It's the hot rod.
	Oh, it's a hot rod.
	We already discussed this.
	So I'd driven this before, but never done an overnight.
	And he was like, well, you know, you got to charge it and it takes, you know, eight hours.
	Dude, don't tell me anything.
	This would be great for the show or we won't have a show.
	So let me try it out.
	He says, okay, that's funny.
	Do that.
	Okay, great.
	So I get in the car and I'd driven it before.
	I'm sitting there and he drives off in the truck.
	I'm like, shit, I forgot how to start this thing.
	That's how stupid it was.
	Like, oh, you don't have to start it.
	You just got to put it into drive.
	I was looking for a button, you know, like my truck has a button.
	You press the button, the car starts.
	So that's how disoriented I was.
	But anyway, I remember how it works.
	I start driving and he left me with about, it said 200 miles on the range, the range meter.
	So, I started driving.
	Now, this is multiple roads.
	It's 290, 71, 21.
	So, there's, you know, the roads aren't really great highways all the way.
	And some surface issues, which, man, you're driving a Tesla on a poorly surfaced road.
	It's noisy.
	It's very noisy.
	And I'd also forgot.
	Yeah.
	I think the tires or something, you know, it's low-profile tires.
	Low-profile tires are the worst.
	Yeah, very, very noisy.
	And I'd forgotten that you actually have to keep your hand on the steering wheel when you do the auto steer.
	And it says after, it says, oh, put your hands on the wheel.
	Like, oh, wow, okay.
	And I kept forgetting this because it's just plugging along 65 miles an hour.
	It's steering itself.
	I'm like, ah, I love this thing.
	Can't you get some clip-on hands?
	Well, I'll tell you a couple of things.
	You don't want that because these roads, you know, sometimes there's a little construction that splits off.
	At least twice I had to really grab the wheel and disengage because it would have taken me off into the side of the railing.
	Into the drink.
	Yes.
	Dukes of hazards style.
	It's not that great.
	You really don't want to take...
	But I did keep my hands off three times and then it goes, bing, bing, bing, bing.
	Auto steer no longer available for this trip, you stupid slave.
	You get put in jail.
	You get put in auto steering jail.
	You have to pull over, you got to put it in park, and then you can use the auto steer again.
	But I'm telling you, John, no one should rely on this auto steer.
	Unless you're on a proper highway with at least three lanes, you really don't want to do this.
	I'm telling you, two times, really, I would have gone off, yeah, Dukes of Hazzard style.
	Anyway, so I get there.
	Remember, I started out with a little under 200.
	I get there, I've got 35 miles left.
	It's a 110-mile trip.
	It's like your phone.
	It tells you you've got a couple hours, but then when you get right down to it, you really don't.
	Yeah, you've got 15 minutes.
	Yeah.
	And I had to find a charger at the hotel.
	Well, you already met.
	Well, hold on.
	But you had already mapped it out, so this was not a problem.
	No.
	I had downloaded...
	You've got to get a million apps.
	You've got to get ChargeStation.
	You've got to get EVGo.
	You have to understand what the different charging options are.
	Level 1, Level 2, and then the big honker, which is the supercharger, which pretty much only exists at Tesla stores, I think.
	I'm out here in California.
	I'm sure in California, but not in Texas.
	Luckily, this is Aggieland.
	This is Texas A&M. They've got a big campus.
	Sure enough, there's a whole bunch of Chargers, but they're all three miles away.
	It's College Station.
	Everything's three miles away.
	So I'm driving around and, you know, have you ever been on a campus on the weekend and all the gates are up and down?
	That thing's like a penitentiary.
	Texas A&M is a fucking jail.
	Everything is a gate.
	There's cameras looking at your license plate, scanning you before you can go in.
	I finally find the garage after trying to pull into one that had a charging station but was only for students.
	And now I'm down to like 15 miles.
	You know, it's Are you getting white knuckle?
	I'm getting low battery warnings.
	We're going to shut...
	This is great because this is the worst part of it.
	I tested all these electric cars and the white knuckle thing is the worst.
	Yeah.
	You know you can't go get a can of gas.
	Mm-hmm.
	So, and it's giving me these warnings and, you know, which flash on and off.
	They go away before you can really read them properly.
	It's like, we're going to shut down stuff.
	Like, what?
	What are you going to shut down?
	You know, it's shut down the heated seats, shuts down the air conditioning.
	It's getting a little, okay, finally I'm in the garage.
	There it is, the charger.
	And now I really start to realize what all of this entails because you have to have, you have to be a member of the charger network.
	So it says, hold your card.
	I don't have a card.
	I just want to charge.
	I need some power.
	And this is a level two, so there's really no more than 220 volts.
	And, you know, you jam that in.
	And it'll take, I think it gives you 18 miles per hour that you sit there charging.
	So let me get this straight.
	Instead of accepting a normal credit card for American Express.
	Yep.
	It requires you actually be a member.
	Yes.
	Oh wait, let me guess why.
	Because it serves alcohol?
	I think it would be for tracking purposes.
	You really don't feel very free in this ecosystem.
	So, now, luckily, you can download their app, and we know what that means.
	They get all your information.
	And then you can sign up with your credit card, with your name.
	So now they have everything on me.
	I can't just anonymously tap up, or tank up, or top up.
	I have to tell them who I am.
	Then you can use your phone as the NFC, Near Field Communication.
	Click, okay.
	And then you can finally start.
	And you put it in.
	And, you know, I walked away and, of course, I had to drop a pin, tell Tina where I was so she'd come and pick me up in her car.
	Her gas car?
	Her gas car.
	Her gas guzzler.
	Her horrible climate change causing vehicle.
	So, you know, and I'm like, how do I know that, you know, it's still charging?
	Yeah, what happens if it craps out in the middle of the charge and decides to stop?
	Well, the app...
	Oh, well, wait, wait, wait.
	You're a member of the club and you've got this app and all this, so if that happens, you are immediately alerted.
	Possibly.
	Look, so I got enough charge.
	We still had to leave last night at 10 o'clock.
	It's a good two-hour drive, certainly at night.
	So it really only charged for six hours.
	So when we left, I had 155 miles to go.
	I got in on a penlight battery charge, pretty much, into the garage that I placed in downtown Austin.
	But, you know, this car, and also after two hours of driving, you don't want to drive this more than it can do.
	You're tired.
	It's, you know, it's a sports car.
	It's rough, you know, it's not a smooth ride.
	This product...
	I can't speak for all electric vehicles, but this product, the Tesla, has got to be one of the stupidest things ever invented.
	And people who buy one are either virtue signaling, have too much money, or both.
	It's stupid.
	It's stupid for in the city.
	This is not the same report you gave us the last time.
	I don't even...
	No, it's not.
	You're right.
	Maybe it's because the car's been on the road for a couple of years.
	I don't know.
	Maybe they did an upgrade.
	Maybe it was the sophomore experience.
	No, this really was not a great product in my mind.
	It's not great.
	I would like somebody to find the old clip.
	Of Adam going on and on about the greatest thing ever and how the hands-free is fantastic or whatever it was, auto drive.
	Yeah.
	None of these complaints.
	None.
	Zip.
	I'm very wary of this auto steer now.
	And of course, I already was a little wary.
	We've seen what happened.
	We see people with autonomous cars getting killed.
	There's all kinds of Tesla...
	Heads chopped off.
	Heads chopped off.
	All kinds of horrible Tesla stories.
	And it's just not...
	I think it should be foreboding.
	You shouldn't have this auto-steer...
	I don't like ballistic parachutes on private planes either, like the Cirrus.
	It makes you complacent.
	A lot of pilots say, you don't want that.
	You don't want people to, oh, I can probably make it on the fuel I got.
	If I don't, I'll just pull the chute.
	This happens.
	And with this auto-steer, people are like, ah, you know, it's all good.
	It's not.
	To me, it's really very dangerous.
	And after having almost careened off the road twice...
	I can attest to it.
	It's not great.
	I mean, that's why they make you put your hands on the wheel, but, you know, come on, you know, you keep your fingertips on, and if it's a little...
	If it's too light, then you just add another hand so you don't get...
	Well, you have made one of my long-term points, which I've been arguing forever, which is that...
	Single, judgmental reviews really don't cut it.
	You need long-term, multiple reviews to get to the crux of whether a product's any good or not.
	And I've always said this, which is one of the reasons I always kind of, when I review a product, which I don't do that much anymore, but when I was doing it, I always demand long-term reviews.
	I need ownership, pretty much, of the product, so I can see if it's any good long-term.
	You mean that's how you get free shit?
	Well, you get free shit.
	You do.
	I need some long-term ownership of a demo.
	But I come away with an actual...
	I actually can report on what it's like to own something because it's much more important.
	It's not as though I'm not doing that.
	I mean, sometimes...
	Most of the time...
	I would say a lot of the times I won't write up a product because it's such a piece of crap, it turns out.
	This free, you know, getting free crap is what it amounts to.
	It's kind of a corrupt favor to the company.
	But generally speaking, you can't really see if something's good unless you've played with it.
	Yes.
	More than one quick go-round.
	That's right.
	You've just proven it because your first review was glowing.
	Yes.
	It's why it took me 20 years to figure out that the Mac is shit.
	You know, I needed to have that long-term ownership.
	But now, here's the thing about it.
	A couple of things.
	So, in my building, as well as any of these charge...
	What is it called?
	Let me get the right name of this app.
	It's tracking you now.
	Well, hold on.
	It's a charge point, charge point.
	So a couple things.
	So the charge point, I think the way they do it is the cost, because there's a cost.
	That's why your credit card isn't necessary.
	The cost is determined by the provider of the electricity, which leads me to believe that the charge point jamokes put the thing in for free and they take a piece of the action.
	And maybe on weekends, because it'll say right there on the charging station, it'll say, this is free as determined by Texas A&M. I'm like, oh, that's great.
	Well, of course, I still had to pay $15 for sitting in the parking garage all day.
	When I get back to my place here, I jack in.
	It's the same charge point.
	So now I'm like, oh, this is good.
	This is fast.
	Put it in.
	And it's $2 an hour.
	And that's determined by Austin Energy.
	Now, if you have a Tesla, okay, first of all, you got money, but you have to come home every day and charge for eight hours, $16 a day.
	Take that on a monthly basis.
	You got another car.
	You got a lease payment.
	This is not free.
	This is not cheap.
	This is not great.
	Well, when you come, if you have your own, if you come home and you actually have a house.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	You plug it into your power of your house.
	There's a lot of Teslas in our garage, and they're hogging the power stations.
	I bet.
	So, I'm just going to, this is an aside, because it's not really has anything to do with the expense.
	So, I'm testing all these electric cars, and the one...
	And I will say the only one I would buy that I tested would be the Chevy Volt, which has a very short range, and then the little motor goes on.
	And so you drive around with that.
	It's got enough poop to get you from here to there.
	Yeah, but you already said the main problem.
	I'm just going to interrupt for a second.
	For me...
	At any point, a number of companies know where I am, know what I'm doing.
	Oh, yeah, that's so good.
	And, oh, by the way, why don't we, you know, Curry's got his car charging.
	Fuck that guy.
	Let's turn it off.
	No charge for you.
	Then what are you going to do?
	If you want to charge this thing on regular current, you're going to get about three kilowatts an hour, so you're talking, you know, eight miles per hour charge.
	Well, let me go back to what my point was, which was, You have to stick the charger on every single night routinely.
	You're like a robot.
	Like your phone.
	You can't just drive in.
	You're talking to somebody who keeps his phone on a charger in the house and then...
	Baby takes it off the charger once every couple of days.
	I don't use the phone that much.
	Right, but if you go on a trip, you're like, oh, I've got to stop here.
	I've got to charge on the plane.
	I've got to charge at the airport.
	I've got to do a quick charge in the Uber.
	You're managing it.
	Right, you're managing it.
	And then, if these things actually become super popular, for some reason...
	All these charging stations would be full.
	They'd be aligned.
	You'd have to wait for the one guy to finish.
	Yeah, that's already happening.
	I can see that in the garage.
	I had to go through a couple floors before I found one that was open.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	That's not good.
	No.
	The whole thing is dumb.
	The whole idea is dumb.
	And also, the way it drives, I don't know if I mentioned this last time or forgot about it, because you drive, you take your foot off the gas, and a normal car, it coasts.
	This goes, it even flips on the brake lights.
	It's a whole different driving style.
	You have to keep your foot down.
	Really?
	Because that's not good.
	What about if you put on cruise control?
	If you take cruise control off and you don't have your foot on the accelerator, the brake lights come on and you start to slow down rapidly.
	Well, that means you have to have your foot pushing on the gas all the time.
	It's very hard on the...
	It can give you a cramp.
	Easily.
	Easily.
	Yeah.
	So, what a dumb product.
	And, you know, Etina, who loves this car.
	It looks so beautiful.
	I love how it looks.
	Well, the first, yeah, that, I should always mention, the reason that S looks so good, because the little one didn't, and the other ones, that stupid hunchback one doesn't look very good.
	But that, yes, it was designed by Fisker, the superstar designer.
	Yeah, he knows what he's doing.
	And then after Musk, I think, insulted him in public by saying that the Fisker car was a piece of crap, Fisker, I don't think, has anything to do with the designs anymore.
	So now they're starting to look really weird.
	They're kind of derivative of the original design.
	But even right away, they took the fake grill off to make it look like it's got puckered lips.
	I mean...
	It's just non-trivial to make these cars look good.
	So she's always loved how that car looks.
	And then when I said, okay, darling, after you go to your workout, I'll drop you a pin.
	You've got to pick me up.
	She said, what are you talking about?
	Well, I'm going to charge.
	I'm going to sit on the charge.
	She said, what is this?
	She said, what did you think?
	She said, I thought it was like 30 minutes.
	You're done.
	What?
	She thought that?
	Well, at select locations...
	Yeah, if you've got this supercharger that jerks a bunch of electricity in it.
	Anyway, that's my report.
	We don't ever need to hear it again.
	I'm happy.
	I'm happy.
	I finally understand how stupid this...
	It's really an unnecessary, unhandy, nonsense product.
	Unhandy.
	Unhandy.
	It's a nonsense product.
	Yeah, boys.
	Well...
	I mean, he does get, although I have to say, I still was of the impression that it could get 350 miles.
	Yeah, no.
	And I'm disappointed to hear that it's getting 180 miles.
	Yeah.
	Because you can almost get that with a leaf.
	Okay.
	Even so, the charging thing is too much.
	It's just too much.
	It makes no sense.
	It really doesn't.
	Well, what about this?
	Here's the alternative that I always thought was a good idea.
	Because apparently, in Israel, they have electric cars in some city center.
	Or some city services.
	And they use this technology.
	And it's been done by other...
	It's a stupid looking boxy thing.
	But you drive in and the entire battery pack is dropped out the bottom and a new one is put in fully charged.
	And you go on.
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Whenever I go to McDonald's, their milkshake maker is always broken.
	It's McDonald's.
	It's a multi-billion dollar corporation.
	Half a trillion dollars.
	And their milkshakes are always broken.
	So if I'm going to rely on someone to have something that's going to put the new battery in, it's just no.
	No.
	And again, they know who you are.
	They know what you're doing.
	Great place to take somebody out.
	We know he's got to stop and charge sometime.
	Take somebody out.
	He's got to clip some guy because you follow him around in the car.
	He's going to charge.
	He'll be stationary for the next 10 hours.
	Plenty of time to get over there.
	Anyway.
	All right.
	Well, I think that was a good report.
	No, well, I'm glad you liked it.
	I know that you've done a lot of investigative work on the electric vehicles, but you should try it.
	You should try this Tesla.
	You should.
	But take it on a long trip.
	It's tiring.
	I'll tell you what the problem I have with the Tesla is.
	It's glued together.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, I couldn't notice any of that.
	That worked.
	Well, no, but I wonder what they're like in 10 years when that glue oxidizes and just starts falling apart.
	I mean, will the whole top of the car just go flying off in a windstorm?
	I mean, it's just, I have no idea.
	I don't think it's meant to hold on to for a long time.
	He's getting rid of it.
	He hates it now.
	He's the one that's starting to hate it.
	Maybe that's why he was so weird.
	Oh, he just transferred his hate to you and then you became hypercritical.
	It's okay.
	Like, I'm putting a lot of miles on your truck.
	Go for it, girl.
	That's fine.
	I do like the whole entertainment system.
	You know, you've got a web browser in there, so when you're bored, you surf around and do stuff.
	But, jeez.
	Anyway.
	Well, they can put that in any car.
	There was some other stuff happening over the weekend.
	Yeah, one thing.
	Clog the news.
	It's a news clogger.
	Yes, and I am humbled, I have to say.
	I'm humbled...
	At how well the machine operates when it comes to propagandizing millions of people into complete mindless zombie drones.
	It was fascinating to watch.
	And also disgusting.
	To a point.
	It was disgusting.
	It was mostly disgusting.
	Political child abuse is way beyond reprehensible at this point.
	Well, I have a backgrounder that is by Jeff Pegues.
	Ah, Poop Man!
	Who is my favorite journalist because he gets to the point...
	He gives a straight as an arrow report the way it's supposed to be done.
	There's no slant.
	With an unparalleled delivery.
	With a delivery that's all his own.
	The survivors of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Mass have turned their grief into action.
	And now, for 39 days, they've used the spotlight to demand the change that they believe is long overdue.
	Welcome to the revolution.
	Today, Marjory Stoneman Douglas students brought their movement to the streets of Washington.
	We're tired of hearing that we're too young.
	An expected crowd of half a million people joined their march for our lives.
	In the five and a half weeks since the massacre in the halls and classrooms of their Parkland, Florida high school, in which the gunman shot and killed 17 people, their mission has been to push lawmakers to act to prevent future mass shootings.
	We are not here for breadcrumbs.
	We are here for real change.
	We are here to lead.
	Speakers addressing the massive crowd sought to reach a broader audience by also focusing their efforts on preventing senseless violence they believe is often overlooked.
	I am here today to acknowledge and represent the African American girls whose stories don't make the front page of every national newspaper.
	Newtown wants change.
	Parkland wants change.
	With Capitol Hill within view, they called for a ban on the sale of assault weapons in high-capacity magazines.
	They also want lawmakers to close online and gun show loopholes.
	My name is your one, Renee King.
	Martin Luther King Jr.'s granddaughter used his famous words as a call to action.
	I have a dream that enough is enough.
	And that this should be a gun-free world.
	Period.
	Just yesterday, Congress took incremental action to strengthen background checks here in the U.S.
	But realistically, the changes these student activists are demanding will be a tough sell, especially during an election year.
	You know, Elaine, we watched.
	Most of Saturday afternoon, switching back and forth between CNN, MSNBC, and Fox.
	Ah, you missed C-SPAN. Okay.
	Well, they didn't have C-SPAN in the hotel, so I'm glad that you did.
	And we're just flipping back and forth, and here's what became apparent.
	The message is we want common sense gun laws.
	Some said comprehensive.
	Enough is enough.
	We don't want to ban guns, but we just don't want to die anymore.
	And, you know, this whole afternoon was a meme fest of one-liner, you know, like zingers.
	That gets a crowd all excited, but a really completely empty, vapid, and meaningless.
	But at the same time, it was kids.
	It was so beautifully done.
	I mean, these kids, some of them were so nervous, they're puking on stage.
	It was all kinds of stuff happening.
	This was abuse to such a degree.
	But really, all I heard was, we don't want bump stocks, we want 21 to be the age, which is brilliant for kids who are 16, 17 years old, because they can't even drink until that age, so that's a very fair point.
	And we don't want people who are mentally ill to get them, we want anyone who's a law-abiding citizen.
	So really, a lot of things they want, which any person who can think rationally knows that they're totally doable, and I think will do most of them, if not all of them, and if that makes everybody happy, good.
	It probably won't really stop the problem.
	It's like a healthcare system.
	Give me a Band-Aid.
	Give me a pill.
	Give me something.
	But let's not figure out why you're feeling this way or why you're depressed or what is really causing the backache.
	None of that.
	And to see these politicians like co-hosts on CNN. Klobuchar was a co-host.
	Yeah...
	Well, that's because the message I got was none of that because I wasn't watching any of those stations.
	Well, let me just finalize my thought.
	All I saw was very smart politicians who abused children and their parents by saying...
	Look, if you take money from the NRA, if you're not going to be on our side, if you're not saying the right things, if you're not virtue signaling properly, we're going to make sure that no one votes for you in this upcoming election, and we're going to be old enough to vote Democrat in the next general election.
	And I think they were very successful.
	Well, when you saw the...
	I don't know how they were reporting on this other network, but the C-SPAN basically just had a camera on the stage.
	And I want to play two clips because the message I got was get out and vote, vote, vote, vote, vote.
	And the only thing that was left out was Democrat.
	And I want to play...
	I actually got three clips.
	Before I play the C-SPAN clips to talk about the voting...
	I do want to play a lot.
	We had every little area that couldn't afford, couldn't get Soros money to send the kids to Washington.
	We didn't get no Soros money, so we did a local news report.
	They had their own protests locally.
	And by the way, if anybody goes to one of these things or they're there near the end, I mean, people like, I mean, whether you're...
	For or against it, but if you're taking part, can someone collect some of these signs?
	They leave the signs in a pile to rot, and then they get picked up by the garbage company, and then they get thrown out.
	Some of these signs, if you just take the signs...
	The professional ones or the handmade ones?
	Actually, both.
	Any signs.
	All the signs.
	The ones that are interesting, not the ones that say just a big letter no or something, but the signs, these are valuable.
	For a museum, not today, not tomorrow, but sometime in the future.
	And somebody who collects these signs could do worse to do that.
	Anyway, I wanted to do it myself, but there wasn't anything nearby.
	There was nothing on your street.
	Is anyone on the street?
	Oh, fuck it.
	I don't need to go.
	You are such a SJW. Here's a local San Francisco report from KRON. In a word, enough.
	People from all over the Bay Area rallied at City Hall Saturday demanding politicians pass more laws to protect kids from being killed by guns.
	I just think that this could totally be prevented.
	We saw this happen in Australia and they passed laws and they haven't had any since.
	And so it is absolutely doable.
	And it's just a question of whether we as the voters, we as parents, we as families have the willpower to say no more, not another one.
	More than a million people took to the streets across the country inspired by the survivors of the Parkland, Florida school shooting.
	It's awful to think what those parents must be going through.
	We definitely don't want any more families to have to go through that.
	A lot of young kids came with signs and expressed their hopes and their fears.
	It feels weird to see these things happening to people about your age-ish.
	And maybe it could happen to you.
	Yeah, sometimes I feel scared.
	My sign shows that people should care about kids more than just guns.
	And people making dead makes other kids at my school and me worry.
	So whenever I go to the bathroom and there's nobody else in the hallway, I kind of rush there and I'm like, somebody's gonna kill me!
	And so I just rush there.
	But then when I see my friends, I feel kind of safe.
	I'd say that was a great ISO, but it's too gut-wrenching.
	It's the worst.
	It's gut-wrenching.
	I love that.
	By the way, this clip was for you.
	So I could ISO it?
	No, no, because you talk about the abusive kids and the fact that you have this little, she's like a first grader.
	Yeah, someone wants to kill me.
	Someone wants to kill me, is her thought, when she goes to the bathroom, so she runs.
	You know what was missing from this protest?
	I mean, surprise, surprise.
	We must remember the genesis of the problem, which is the Broward Sheriff's County Office, Broward County Sheriff's Office.
	Who refused to do anything about this particular kid and who have been systematically, by agreement with the Attorney General, not arresting kids and not apprehending them for certain crimes so that they can get better numbers on their performance report.
	That's really what happened in this case.
	And I'm wondering, by the way, while you bring that up again...
	What is the real crime rate in this area?
	I mean, they say, oh, it's the safest city.
	Well, if everything's like never reported, it's going to look like the safest city.
	I want to play a clip.
	This is a clip from a couple of weeks ago.
	And this...
	Because you'd think that after this event that things would calm down.
	But this is the clip, and it's called Something's Amiss at Stoneman Douglas High School.
	The community continue their call for change and prepare for their march on Washington.
	We're not going to stop, and this is just the beginning.
	Three students at Stoneman Douglas High School are getting a lesson in the law.
	The principal is sending this recorded message Tuesday evening.
	Earlier today, we had three incidents on campus that require law enforcement intervention.
	Due to student privacy laws, I cannot disclose the details of these incidents.
	However, in all three cases, the individuals involved will receive the appropriate consequences through the juvenile justice system and the district's code of student conduct.
	Deputies say the 18-year-old pulled a two-inch knife during a confrontation with a male classmate in the cafeteria.
	And there's people coming in with weapons, and I'm shocked.
	And about a half hour later, BSO called back to the school at 10 a.m.
	This time, a 10th grader had made threatening posts on social media directed towards a classmate.
	According to the report, the student was pulled from class after...
	Posting pictures on Snapchat depicting a handgun in his waistband and numerous bullets along with threatening messages.
	He was eventually taken in for psychiatric evaluation.
	After what we've all been through, it doesn't make any sense at all.
	And just after school let out Tuesday, 16-year-old Gavin Stricker also arrested.
	Deputies say a nine-inch knife was found in his backpack.
	Those Stoneman students aren't the only ones in hot water.
	Tuesday, BSO Deputy Moises Karate, suspended without pay, reportedly caught sleeping in his cruiser near the 1200 building Monday, the same building where those fatal shots were fired just over a month before.
	In a statement, Florida Senator Marco Rubio saying, of all the schools in America, you would think this would be the safest one right now.
	This is so outrageous, it's almost impossible to believe.
	And the Broward School Superintendent tweeting, And according to reporter Walter Morris, Florida Governor Rick Scott has ordered the placement of eight Florida Highway Patrol officers outside the campus starting tomorrow.
	How many kids are there?
	Eight armed highway patrol officers need to be around this campus?
	What the hell's wrong with this school?
	Well, I have a report from the school as well.
	In court today, maybe you can illuminate us on more on what we're learning about the conversation between the two brothers, Rosa.
	Michaela, the details are so disturbing.
	As you mentioned, in this court where we had just seen Nicholas Cruz get arraigned his brother on 17 counts of murder and 17 counts of attempted murder, here we have his brother.
	Standing there shackled in a tan jumpsuit and the state saying that they don't want the court to take any chances because, as you mentioned, the brother, Zachary Cruz, had been to Marjory Storm and Douglas High School three times.
	The vice principal had already told him not to return.
	So let me take you through this.
	As you mentioned, 500,000 A thousand dollars bond is what the judge decided.
	But on top of that, the judge listed a slew of things that Cruz has to abide by.
	He can't be in Broward County unless he has court.
	He would have to use an ankle monitor.
	He can't go close to a school 500 feet.
	His house has to be searched for weapons and ammunition.
	And they also mentioned that he can't have communication with his brother because of those disturbing conversations that were apparently overheard by someone that let the state know.
	Because they mentioned that the two brothers talked about how popular Nicolas Cruz had become after the shooting, how his name was everywhere, how his photograph was out nationally, and how they could establish, hear this, a fan club for him that could probably lead to him getting a lot a fan club for him that could probably lead to him getting So, Michaela, the details are just so disturbing.
	Now his brother, he also can't get close not only to Marjory Sturman Douglas High School, but to any of the students, to any of the staff, to any of the parents, because the court mentioned multiple times how difficult this is for the victims in this particular case.
	And so the court not taking any chances.
	What the hell is going on?
	I'm telling you.
	What is going on with this?
	The brother?
	There's something really screwed up, and I think it began with him overlooking all this stuff.
	I think the thing was completely out of control from the beginning.
	Yeah.
	And it still is out of control.
	It's a situation where there's no law enforcement.
	Corruption is rampant.
	And these ideas, these kids, these kids, well, now he's a hero.
	And now I'm thinking that the school resource officer who didn't go in, he did report this kid multiple times and was told to shut up.
	We're not doing anything with him.
	And I can just imagine, like, oh, shit, now it's happening.
	He was...
	Yeah, obviously, yes, if I was that guy, and I'd done what you just said, which would report the kid and report the kid, and now the kid's shooting up the place, I'm not going in there either, because no one's going to give me any backup.
	I'm not getting help.
	I mean, the kid shoots me?
	Yeah, it's my fault, apparently.
	Or if you live, you get sued.
	Even better.
	Well, we know that's the problem.
	Even better.
	Yeah, so this whole thing stinks, and no one.
	It stinks, and the March stinks, too, as far as I'm concerned.
	Of course the March stinks.
	We know these children were persuaded into doing this, and yeah.
	And they also had material written for them.
	I got the beginning of, well, a bunch of singers came out, and they were screeching, and...
	They finished up, and the two C-SPAN clips I have are part of one longer clip, but this is Mania at School March C-SPAN. We want to thank you guys for coming out here.
	And we would not be here without you.
	There's no way in hell that we could ever have amounted to anything without the support of you guys.
	We all know what this is like.
	And it's up to us to stop it.
	So one last final plug.
	Get out there and vote.
	Get out there and get registered.
	And if...
	We are called the United States of America for that reason.
	Together we are whole.
	Together we are one.
	Look to your left.
	Look to your right.
	Brothers and sisters is what I see.
	Together we unite to make a whole.
	Congress, politicians, you are the parents.
	Hear your children cry.
	We want to come home.
	We want home.
	Whole home.
	Make our home well.
	Make our home prosperous.
	Make our generation the generation that fights.
	Make the generation that has changed.
	We are the change.
	Look at us.
	Look at your children.
	Your children are the ones fighting for their rights because they're fighting for their life to survive.
	Yeah, you know, this is so powerful, this type of messaging.
	Not just, it's the delivery vehicle.
	Fighting for their rights?
	It's the delivery vehicle of kids doing this.
	I saw parent after parent after, people who hate kids.
	Like the artist, you know, who doesn't invite me anymore to her Obama bot dinners.
	She's out there with the kids.
	She hates kids.
	She says so.
	She hates children.
	There are people.
	She should be happy that kids are being blown up in the school.
	No, she's out there with a sign that says, the only thing easier than buying a gun in America is buying a Republican politician with a big picture of Ted Cruz.
	It's the vehicle that is very powerful that even kid haters get in on it.
	We are united.
	That's why we're called the United States of America.
	What?
	Yeah.
	That's what that last one said emotionally.
	Here's a question for you.
	I was too young.
	I think you were of enough age.
	When the Vietnam protests in the 60s, late 60s, early 70s happened.
	Now, you witnessed that.
	Late 60s, early 70s.
	Yeah, you witnessed that.
	What were the core differences, if any?
	Oh, a great question!
	It's a question that I have to pause.
	I know.
	What's the core differences?
	Well, first of all, it wasn't a bunch of teenagers that were, you know.
	It was mostly the protesting was done by the people that didn't want to get drafted into a war that they figured out, at least in some schools.
	A friend of mine who was at the air pollution district once just commented to me.
	He went to Ohio State and then he went into the Army.
	I said, why'd you go in?
	Uh, to fight in Vietnam, he says, well, because I didn't go to Berkeley where they taught us, where you were taught, you know, that war's a bunch of bullcrap, which it was also came in, and McNamara's book said the same thing, so anyone out there says, well, you know, you should have gone.
	No.
	Um, because it was.
	It was a bunch of bullcrap.
	It was, I don't know, you know, there was something different about it because, uh, the similarities that you see, you were threatened, your life was threatened, but, uh, But if you look at the statistics, it wasn't that threatened in either case.
	I don't know.
	I'd have to think about that question for a long time.
	Right now we have this situation and it's unfolding.
	I'll think about it.
	I stumped him.
	I stumped him!
	Yeah, you did.
	That's okay.
	It was different.
	For one thing, I don't think it was as manipulated.
	Media manipulation, you mean?
	Yeah.
	Because the media, except for Cronkite, It was mostly pro-war, and then they became kind of anti-war very slowly, and I don't know.
	You know, in the past...
	Somebody can explain it better than I'm obviously doing it.
	You'll get to it.
	In the past, on Second Street, I've been duped, and I'm like, this is years ago.
	It's like, hey, Planned Parenthood, yeah, okay, I'll sign up for Planned Parenthood, whatever, you know, fine.
	Until I realized that the money you give is not for women's health.
	It's that you're giving to the 501c4 corporation, which is a lobbying organization.
	That's what Planned Parenthood is.
	And I find it odd that the organization that actually helps less children being born was one of the main funders of this entire event.
	And, you know, I don't know if people realize that, that, you know, the $500 million they get is Medicare, you know, payments.
	It's not, you know, it's like a marker.
	They don't get a big check, not one of those giant jumbo clearinghouse checks.
	No, it's for Medicare.
	It's, you know, it's for procedures they'll do, which, of course, have nothing to do with abortion because that would be illegal.
	But they're a lobbying organization.
	No different than the NRA, except technically, they kill more children.
	Technically, technically, technically.
	Yeah, that's a good one.
	Yeah, that's a good one.
	Well, a couple of other things before we play this last clip, which is just an extension of the clip you played, where the girl says, we are united.
	That's why we're called the United States of America.
	We're Americans.
	Heard that a lot.
	There was a, in the other clip, there's a woman who mentioned Australia.
	There's no violence in Australia anymore, she says.
	Yeah, it's magic.
	It's magic.
	And then the thing that really bothered me was the great, supposedly the great-granddaughter, I'll assume it is, of Martin Luther King, who says, I have a dream, no more whatever, you know, I have a dream.
	That's my dream.
	That's my dream, I think.
	No, she says, I have a dream, enough is enough.
	Yeah.
	Now, if anybody else, if somebody recently stole I Have a Dream that tacos are great, there was something that was done with I Have a Dream, and everybody jumped all over it.
	Because, oh my God, you used a Martin Luther King I Have a Dream thing.
	But I Have a Dream, Enough is Enough, I think is worse.
	Yeah, it has nothing to do with the original dream.
	I have a dream, enough is enough.
	It's kind of watering down the whole thing, isn't it?
	Well, I just thought it was an insult in some way, even though she has the right, I suppose, to insult the words of her grandfather.
	Inferred right.
	So let's...
	Go to the second part, which is a continuation of the first clip.
	The mania.
	This was the people on the podium at the event in Washington, D.C. Because they're fighting for their life to survive.
	We are here today for the survival fact that no more, no bloodshed.
	Hold on, stop it.
	Stop it, stop it.
	Now this girl, she's pulling a Sharpton.
	What she's saying is making no sense.
	She's lost the plot.
	And she's destroying words out there.
	Resist.
	We must be forgiven.
	The fact that no more...
	Oh, you're right.
	Hold on.
	Let me just rewind this.
	This is good.
	Because they're fighting for their life to survive.
	We are here today for the survival fact that no more...
	No bloodshed due to the fact of a metal machine made by a human.
	But resist, we must.
	Triggered by a human.
	Guns only serve one purpose.
	We must.
	To take a life.
	They don't spare.
	They don't protect.
	They take lives.
	When you stare at a gun, you know it's your end.
	We are saying no more.
	We are here to say we are United States of America and we are one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
	United America!
	We are united!
	La lucha sigue, y'all!
	Para la gente, for our people!
	La lucha sigue!
	We will not stop.
	We shall not stop.
	We are magical.
	Somos poderosos.
	We are magic.
	We are power.
	La gente, bro.
	"La Gente" .
	Okay.
	As one last important note, I think it's important that we realize we are, just like we are all Americans, we are all susceptible to the same corruption and greed, regardless of who you are or where you come from.
	What we have here, what is constantly being sowed, are the seeds of corruption.
	But it's our job, it's the democracy, to ensure that those seeds never sprout.
	But, the only way you can do that is by getting out and voting.
	If not for me, for everybody else on this stage, and every single American child out there, vote for us, vote for our future, and help us fight for our lives at MarchForOurLives.com Hey everyone!
	Thank you all for coming today.
	If you look around, you are surrounded by the people who will be making this country a better place and who will be making it easier to sleep at night, easier to wake up in the morning and go to school, and easier to be Americans.
	Oh, they are so naive.
	Well, when I see this, let's see how long they can make it go.
	They did have a special on CBS called 39 Days.
	I wish I couldn't watch.
	When I see this, I think of nothing but Hands Across America, my all-time favorite event, which was going to end homeless.
	Yes.
	And now we have tent cities as long as the Hands Across America.
	Yeah.
	The...
	I don't know how this is going to die off.
	It's taking a little longer than usual, but it's going to die off as usual.
	Well, the sad thing is it gets to be rekindled each time there's any kind of event.
	I think that it may gain in strength each time.
	And again, I'm fine with it.
	I couldn't find a succinct message.
	We want to be safe, but let's do this stuff that probably won't keep us safe.
	Also, they overlook when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have a gun.
	There's 300-plus million guns in the United States, so we make it harder to get them.
	There's already too many, and now they have the one they always like to point out.
	There's tons of fallacies.
	And there is a...
	Of course, they like to point this out, and CBS does this.
	I think every network has done one special report on the do-it-yourself guns.
	Yes.
	Where you can buy all the pieces, the mail, and then you just screw it together and you've got to lock them.
	The fallacy that keeps being repeated is, it just comes back in a cycle.
	We have to close the gun show loophole.
	Which doesn't exist.
	It doesn't exist.
	You can just buy a gun on the internet.
	No, you can't, because you have to go pick it up.
	It has to be done by an official gun dealer.
	Yeah, no, this is the...
	Right, I think you're on the...
	One of the huge problems is promoting myths that can be easily debunked.
	It weakens your argument.
	Well, it doesn't...
	I say, oh, we've got to close the gun show loophole.
	What gun show loophole?
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah.
	Now, can I buy a gun and then give it to somebody?
	Yeah, sure.
	And I really don't care.
	Register everybody.
	It's all fine.
	It's not going to end the problem.
	We need to look at other things like law enforcement in places like Broward County and drugs kids are put on.
	How about starting there?
	That's just a big joke.
	And to me, it's a joke.
	It's sad.
	I see these kids being abused.
	And it's all to just promote Democrat politics.
	Yes, yes.
	It's all that it's about.
	And I think that it could really work.
	What do you mean it could really work?
	I think that we'll see the blue wave of Democrats in this...
	Oh, there's going to be a blue wave of Democrats, whether these kids are out there or not.
	I don't think it's going to really make a difference.
	Personally, I don't think it's going to work because I think the Democrats are already taking over the place in 2018, which is what happened to Obama when the Republicans took over the place.
	It always happens in these off years because the other party is complacent.
	It's possible that Trump can maybe get people to pay a little attention because of what happened in Pennsylvania and get out to vote more than other candidates would because there's a base.
	They like to bitch and moan about the base.
	The base!
	All your base belong to us.
	So they got this base and maybe they get the base off their asses.
	But even the base seems to be taken in by the news coverage which is slanted against Trump.
	And so maybe the base, I think the base is, I don't know, that guy seems like a doofus.
	I will say, I thought there was very little Trump hate in the march.
	It was noticeable.
	Why?
	That's a good point.
	Because he's irrelevant in what is going to happen in November.
	That's what the focus was on.
	Focus on elect Democrats.
	That's actually a good observation.
	There was very little Trump.
	Nobody's talked about him.
	No.
	It wasn't his fault.
	He seems to be on their side to some degree.
	Yeah, they'll sign a thing about bump stocks.
	They'll make you happy.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	We're not going to go anywhere with that.
	We just have to see how it unfolds.
	But it's going to all happen in November.
	And I think the next phase is we need to have kids.
	Kids, they're the vehicle now.
	Ben, I promise you, the kids who are now on the cover of Time Magazine, for what that's worth these days, they will run into serious psychological issues.
	I can't stress this enough.
	The media machine, you make use of it to promote something somewhere down the line, sometimes very quickly.
	It can take years.
	It boomerangs back and it takes you down.
	That's just how it works.
	You've had this happen 30 times in your career.
	Not that you give a crap.
	I don't give a crap, eh?
	Yeah.
	And yes, I have.
	You know, hello, mouse.
	Hello, mouse.
	How many years ago?
	It was 30 years later.
	iPhone.
	My phone.
	iPad.
	Yeah.
	It happens.
	Yeah.
	But if you're doing it, if you're doing contrarian type report writing, right?
	It's a little different.
	You're kind of asking for it.
	But I have certainly abused media situations to promote things, and it's always come back one way or the other, sometimes directly related to that very issue.
	You have to be so careful.
	And these kids have no idea what they're getting into.
	This David Hogg, either he becomes the anchor of NBC News, very possible...
	Or maybe even CBS News.
	Or he winds up hurting himself.
	This kid is going to be in a shitty situation.
	Well, he's got a good...
	I don't like his looks.
	But he's got good presence.
	He's got good speaking skills.
	He's good.
	He should be a podcaster.
	Somebody might be.
	Somebody is writing his material, I believe.
	From the sounds of it, because it's a little too slick.
	Yes, yes, I think so.
	And he could be...
	Who's that kid, the guy that you hate?
	Ben Shapiro, that fast-talking Republican conservative?
	I don't know if I hate him.
	Yeah, you do.
	Okay, I hate him.
	All right.
	Like, I hate dogs?
	He's an example of a guy, when he was like 10 or 11 or 12 years in school, he was a fast-talking little kid that they...
	The Republicans grabbed and said, here, you know, I think it was like he was under 18, and they would put him in front of groups, and he's such a fast thinker, fast talker, that he would just, unfortunately, he talks too fast, but he's quick-witted, and they would use him as the same kind of foil, you know, one of these smart little conservative kids to just blow people away, and he, you know, finally got...
	Bigger and bigger could do some books and make a lot of money.
	I've never seen the backlash against him.
	This hog guy could float right into the same thing on the other side.
	I can see it happening with that.
	I know why this is happening, because now he's doing interviews.
	And I've decided for myself, I'm not playing any clips.
	He's doing too many interviews, by the way.
	Yeah, I'm not playing any clips of these kids.
	I won't participate in this abuse, even though some of it can be very funny.
	I probably will.
	Good.
	Well, that's how the show works.
	I haven't yet.
	It's okay.
	I'm heartless about that sort of thing.
	Yeah, and I love you for that.
	I love that you're so heartless when it comes to kids.
	It's great.
	It helps.
	But he's dropping F-bombs.
	He had a great quote.
	Is he going after his parents?
	My parents don't know how fucking democracy works.
	They don't know how to use fucking democracy.
	So we have to show them how to use fucking democracy.
	This is not a good start to your...
	It's not good.
	And it's because...
	Just to back up a little bit, I get it.
	I'm still kind of amused or bemused, one of the two, about your artist friend who doesn't invite you to anything anymore because I think it's once the Stanford people left.
	She bailed out.
	Once the professor hated me, it was all over.
	Actually, the professor doesn't hate me, it's his wife who hates me.
	Oh yeah, I don't blame her.
	I'm still face bag friends with him and I drop something on him once in a while.
	I thought he cut you off.
	No, no, no.
	But the fact that she hates kids, because you obviously picked up on this because you said it.
	You know people that hate kids.
	Everybody out there knows who hates kids.
	They tell you they hate kids.
	Especially when they sit behind you on the plane.
	They shouldn't be in first class.
	Why are they in restaurants?
	Why are they breathing my air?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I reported on this.
	To be at this thing is just priceless.
	I'll send you the photo.
	She posted it on the back.
	Oh, I got to see the photo.
	Oh, yeah.
	She posted it on the face back.
	I'll put it in the newsletter.
	I won't put it in the newsletter.
	No, maybe not a good idea.
	There is a bright shining star amongst all these fabulous ideas where, and I'm just going to say it, black parents are smart in America.
	They want their kids in a school that has a metal detector where nothing comes in, including your cell phone, doesn't come into the school.
	For some reason, parents, white parents, that's what I'm seeing on the news.
	I never saw a march, by the way, for black kids in black schools.
	In this case, brown doesn't count.
	Well, there was a lot of black representation on the podium at this march, and then when they shot the audience, I saw plenty of black kids.
	I heard a lot, oh, it's only white, white, white.
	No, no, no.
	I'm sorry.
	There was plenty of plenty.
	Let's just say privileged.
	Not white privileged, privileged parents with money.
	Yeah, well, somebody had money to ship the kid to Washington.
	But we have better ideas.
	We've got better ideas than metal detectors.
	And I think it's the way to go.
	You want to protect kids?
	Put the metal detectors in.
	Protect them from themselves.
	This is Pennsylvania.
	Their school district has a novel idea.
	In the name of school safety, a Pennsylvania school district superintendent has armed students with rocks.
	Every classroom has been equipped with a five-gallon bucket full of Riverstone.
	If an armed intruder attempts to gain entrance to any of our classrooms, they will face a classroom full of students armed with rocks, and they will be stoned.
	Dr.
	David Helfel of Blue Mountain School District elaborated on his plan, receiving mixed reviews from residents.
	One time I just had the idea of Riverstone.
	They're the right size for hands.
	You can throw them very hard, and they will create or cause pain, It matters because it'll help us protect against the school and stuff.
	I mean, anything helps.
	Rocks are better than books and pencils.
	Helzel said teachers, staff, and students have received active shooter training and one employee is trained as a security guard.
	According to KMOV, the district has no plan to arm teachers with guns.
	I love it, man.
	You're going to be stoned.
	Wow.
	It probably would be a deterrent.
	Yeah.
	But still.
	On the face of it, it sounds kind of ludicrous.
	So in your classroom next to your desk, a bucket of stones for each kid.
	Well, there's a five-gallon bucket, and don't they have to practice?
	Is that part of PE now?
	Well, they should be able to throw a rock.
	A lot of kids can't throw anything.
	They throw like girls.
	How about a slingshot?
	Get a slingshot.
	Oh, now you're talking.
	Now you've got a weapon.
	As you know, David did slay Goliath with a slingshot.
	I always have slingshots around the house.
	I used to have them.
	They're great.
	You can get the new ones.
	Have you seen the new ones that have the grip that goes around your...
	Yeah, with a wrist guard.
	Yeah.
	With a wrist support.
	The stabilizer.
	Yeah, stabilizer.
	Yes, the wrist stabilizer.
	Oh, yeah.
	They're mean.
	You can really do...
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Everyone should have us play around with a slingshot.
	Go to any one of the sporting goods places.
	Take it to school.
	Play around.
	Shake a little...
	Check out.
	You know, when you see those old cartoons where when I was a kid, that kid would have a slingshot in his back pocket hanging out.
	It would be very obvious.
	By the way, an iconic Rockwell-esque American portrait of a kid with a slingshot hanging out of his back pocket.
	Yeah.
	No more.
	Nowadays, arrest him.
	Nowadays, it's a spinner.
	Yeah.
	It's unbelievable.
	My goodness.
	What are you going to do?
	Yeah.
	Well, something exciting this morning.
	I tweeted about it.
	I know you don't follow me, but you might want to look at my tweeter.
	I follow you.
	Did you see?
	They imploded the building, and I was able to get a perfect shot from my balcony.
	No, I did not see that.
	And, man, I just tweeted, Austin, 8 a.m.
	But when you see this thing...
	WTC! I'm not kidding, man.
	You see the flashes come out first, the puffs of smoke, then you hear the explosions, then boom, boom, boom, boom, then more as it's falling onto itself.
	I mean, it was...
	You watch this video, it's like, whoa, surreal.
	Flashback.
	What did you expect?
	Have you ever seen a building go up before?
	Not that close, no.
	Yeah, that's what it looks like.
	It looks like WTC7. It looks like all of them, actually, even the Twin Towers.
	They all went down in a very controlled way.
	Yeah.
	Well, there you go.
	So what's your point?
	I just wanted to say, because I mentioned it was going to happen, and I witnessed it this morning.
	That's all.
	Well, good.
	I think they're great.
	And I think I got a good video.
	You should look at the video.
	I am going to do that.
	I'm not going to do it this second.
	Oh, do it now while we do the donation segment.
	No, I got to organize the donations.
	With that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say, in the morning to you, John C. C stands for C-SPAN is what I watch.
	Dvorak.
	In the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	In the morning to all the ships at the sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	In the morning to our troll room.
	Hello, trolls.
	Noagendastream.com is where you can join the party twice a week, Thursday and Sunday mornings.
	Also a hefty ITM in the morning to...
	SilentTapper72, he brought us the artwork for episode 1018, Bunny Wars, with a picture of Zuckerberg with a Russian military hat on.
	Wasn't this an evergreen?
	Yes, this was buried.
	This was way deep in the evergreens, and it was...
	About some other issue that came up.
	It wasn't designed for this show, but it fit in.
	And that's one of the reasons the Evergreens work so well.
	And I don't remember what the...
	It was a while ago when that...
	Things showed up.
	But it fit into the show theme that we had, so we picked it.
	Because the other art never quite hit the mark.
	There was something you wanted to say about it.
	There was some other comment about the art.
	I don't remember either.
	It's probably about the art itself.
	The stuff that was submitted.
	Yeah.
	I don't remember.
	I don't remember.
	Well, we probably will remember after the show.
	That's right.
	It was a message to the artists, I'm sure.
	That's what it was.
	Yeah, we're off the air and we'll remember.
	We're always trying to clue the artists into what works and what doesn't work.
	The newsletter was disturbing to me.
	Yeah.
	As I read that...
	Well, I'm sure that the donations are disturbing then.
	Yes, and now I understand that they are related.
	The newsletter info, and because of the storms on the East Coast and all the canceled floods...
	A hundred million people, according to David Muir, which I mentioned in the newsletter, are affected by these Nor'easters, and it's been going on and on and on.
	It's been a whole month almost.
	Yeah.
	And I believe these people aren't listening to the show.
	They probably aren't even getting the newsletter because they don't have power.
	And I think the mails are jammed up because we got...
	I mean, the amount of checks that came...
	The checks that come in...
	Are mostly checks from banks and they come in little piles of checks.
	From each bank or a whole bunch of banks in one pile?
	The smart money, especially the credit unions, they all consolidate with some clearinghouse and they all come in as a pack.
	And the individual banks rarely send stuff, although some of the dumber banks do.
	And there's one check in an envelope.
	Seems like a waste of money to send it that way when you could put five checks in there.
	And they come in and it's pretty consistent because these are all subscriptions and a lot of $5 checks, a lot of $5 checks.
	And they come in pretty consistently insofar as the pile of checks is concerned, not insofar as the amounts.
	And no, the pile is cut way down.
	It's half of the normal checks.
	So I think a lot of this stuff is stuck in these...
	Places where the mail must go through.
	Rain, sleet, snow, bullcrap.
	I don't think the checks are getting paid.
	Yeah, what about your slogan?
	Neither rain nor sleet.
	I guess they should add global warming and climate change to things they can go through, but no.
	So I think we've got a problem here.
	Now, it should resolve itself next month, but this is a slowdown the way I see it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So we only had 19 donations over $50 on today's show, which is very low.
	And we only have executive producers for some unknown reason and no associates.
	We do have a lot of executive producers who kind of held up the ship here.
	Thank goodness I'm seeing that.
	Very, very poor showing.
	I want to remind people they live outside the country, they live outside the Northeast, where we have probably half of our listeners help us out.
	Do you think this is because it's also tax time?
	That probably can't help.
	No, tax time, I noticed when the tax time thing goes down starting right after my birthday.
	When's your birthday?
	April 5th, coming up.
	Oh!
	Then after that, we get some good donations for my birthday, then it drops off because of tax time, and then it picks up in May.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	If my memory serves me correctly.
	So let's thank their executive producers today, no associates.
	Starting with Brandon Gruber, who came in with $357 from Vista, California.
	And he says, John and Adam, please grant my smoking hot wife, Illuminatia, some jobs karma.
	Yours.
	Yours, I-B-G. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	Onward to, who is it?
	Is it Robert Pinder?
	No, Chris Raymer.
	Chris Raymer in Missoula, Montana.
	Yeah, he clogged up the spreadsheet.
	But his note says, how much was it donated?
	$333.33.
	I was scrolling through Tumblr.
	Uh-huh, yeah.
	Great line.
	I was scrolling through Tumblr.
	Scrolling through Tumblr, minding my own business.
	Yeah, and other people's business.
	Yeah, apparently.
	And by the way, I've wondered about this.
	The kind of crap that is on Tumblr, that's buried on Tumblr, and some of these other sites, there's illegal pornography on there.
	Oh, tons of it.
	And they're the ones that are storing it.
	Yeah.
	Why doesn't the government do something?
	Oh, they have, but we'll get to that later.
	By coincidence, they have.
	When suddenly the stream flooded with ads of propaganda about the kids who've had enough.
	Oh, I hate it when I'm scrolling through Tumblr and kids like that show up.
	That's no good.
	Nearly an ad per post.
	Obviously that killed the mood.
	What's he up to?
	Wait a minute.
	Here's what it sounds like when you're scrolling through Tumblr.
	You hate that sound.
	Adam's favorite sound effect.
	I haven't done it in years.
	That's not true.
	Then I came to a dead stop.
	See email for post.
	Well, I didn't see that.
	The U.S. corporate party's misinformation campaign kicks Russia's corporate disinformation campaign in the teeth.
	No, it's not misinformation.
	It's informed dominance.
	A vigorous attempt by the intelligence industrial complex to maintain misinformation.
	It's statue after a humiliating defeat.
	You know how...
	Anyway, it goes on.
	I don't know if we need to read this.
	Well, just on that, I wanted to say...
	Originally, it wasn't just the military-industrial complex.
	It was the military-educational-industrial complex.
	Academia.
	Thank you.
	And, boy, has that ever come true.
	Oh, yeah.
	No kidding.
	Um...
	Tomorrow I will don the armor of the Lord and propagate the formula and by this Easter at the end of Holy Week it will be...
	Leave a night ring impression.
	Please knight me, sir.
	Cuss media.
	Night of zoo town.
	Missoula, Montana.
	Circus media.
	Like it.
	Circus.
	Circus.
	Oh, circus.
	Circus.
	Circus media.
	Very good.
	Very good pun.
	And he wants bourbon and bong rips.
	Yeah.
	Sound out to Missoula producers.
	Let's meet up April 15th for episode 1025.
	Code for report in person.
	And together we'll keep the animals from running amok.
	Okay.
	Well, he's on the night list.
	I take it.
	Bourbon and long rips.
	That's nice for the round table.
	Long rips.
	Yeah.
	Excellent.
	Onward.
	Robert Pinder, 33333 in Springfield, Virginia.
	Finally able to get my knighthood.
	I've been listening since episode one and donating to When I've been able since March 2009, NJNK, please, knight me as Sir Pindernet of the Lucky 33.
	No, Lucky 13.
	Oh, I'm sorry, Lucky 13.
	Sir Pindernet.
	I can't decode what that would be about.
	But of course, look forward to the ceremony with you and Chris.
	It'll be fun.
	Isaac Chah.
	Chah.
	In Lubbock.
	Texas.
	333 if you don't know where Lubbock is.
	I started listening to your podcast last year and I found it both entertaining and informative.
	I find the value for value model intriguing and I thought it was time to donate in recognition of the value of the show.
	Keep up the good work.
	Alright.
	P.S. Go Blue Devils!
	Go Blue Devils.
	He's a dookie.
	Well there's a lot of producers in Lubbock.
	Huh.
	I'm telling you.
	It's college town, right?
	Lubbock?
	What college?
	Lubbock University?
	I don't know.
	I thought it was a college town.
	What do I know?
	You live in Texas.
	You should know all this stuff.
	You should know where Texas A&M is.
	I was at Texas.
	And I know why...
	Texas Tech?
	I know why it's called Aggieland.
	Because it's an agricultural school.
	Yes.
	Texas Agricultural and Mechanical School.
	I didn't know that before.
	Yes.
	There's a bunch of Aggie schools.
	They're always called Aggies.
	And they hate people from Austin.
	Anyone who goes to any other college, Aggies, Aggies, which is a diminutive term.
	They're trying to put down.
	Oh, but they wear it with pride.
	Yeah, I think so.
	The university says Aggieland right there.
	Come on.
	Greetings from Lubbock, Texas.
	I started listening to your podcast last year.
	Didn't I just read this?
	Yeah, you did.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, somehow I got distracted.
	Graham Scott, 333, in Rancho Palos Verdes, California.
	And I should have noticed it was empty before, and I would have looked up the email.
	Did he send a note?
	I'm going to find out.
	Is it Isaac?
	Isaac?
	No, Graham.
	Graham Scott.
	Yeah, you keep going back to Isaac, but it's Graham Scott.
	I'm obsessing on this Isaac guy.
	Yeah, it does not show a...
	Graham Scott.
	Hey, Texas Tech is in Lubbock.
	See, I knew I was right.
	Oh, okay.
	Ha!
	Yeah, I know, you got me.
	Twice.
	One's coming in and one's pulling out.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Now, did you find the email?
	No, there's no Scott.
	I'll give him a Karma, just in case you requested one.
	You've got Karma.
	Alright, and that's it.
	That's what we got.
	There is no more.
	Short show today.
	We should have a short show anyway.
	We do want to thank these executive producers profusely for helping us with big numbers, too.
	That really does make a big difference, especially on a day like this.
	And, of course, we appreciate all the work that our producers do and our mail carriers of America.
	I would hate to think that they'd be like, screw those no-agenda guys, and we can toss this into the snowdrift.
	You've got to be nice to them, John.
	They do listen.
	A number of them do listen.
	I'm the one who keeps promoting the mail.
	The guys is getting screwed by this phony baloney edict that they have to prepay their pensions.
	Nobody else has to do this.
	If anyone else had to prepay their retirement funds so it's fully funded, the whole country would be bankrupt.
	Good save.
	Thank you.
	And I'm the one who brought that up.
	I'm the one who has that clip.
	It's okay.
	Yeah, don't overdo it.
	It's good.
	We got it.
	These credits are real.
	When you hear Executive Producer of the No Agenda Show, Episode 1019, it's a real credit.
	You can put it anywhere.
	Credits are recognized.
	Your CV, your resume, put it right there in your cover letter if you want.
	And you just add a title underneath.
	Put it on your LinkedIn.
	It does appear to help people get gigs.
	In the gig economy.
	And we'll be thanking more people, $50 and above, which is not that many in the second segment.
	And remember, another show coming up on Thursday.
	Check us out, help us out, and support the show at dvorak.org slash NA. And you know what?
	You've got some deconstruction.
	You can take that with you today and you can propagate the formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Water. Order.
	Shut up, slave.
	Shut up, slave!
	Well, what I... I'm gleeful, actually, I should say.
	I'm gleeful.
	I'd be gleeful, too, if I managed to get back with that car.
	What I had predicted is really starting to happen with the focus shifting from Russia...
	To Facebag.
	And it's beautiful.
	I don't want anyone to hurt anyone's demise, personally or commercially.
	But I'll make an exception for Mark Zuckerberg and Facebag.
	I will make an exception.
	And all the more because...
	Well, you know, just to stop you before you begin this little whatever it is you're going to go on, which sounds like a winner, is that there's something everybody kind of wants to watch Zuckerberg squirm.
	Well, he's a global leader.
	He is.
	He's considered a global leader, and it's fun to watch guys like that squirm.
	But the machine, the same machine that abuses these kids for political gain, is now abusing Facebag and Mark Zuckerberg personally for political gain.
	And with political gain, I mean, you know, we've got to shift the blame somewhere.
	We've got to make sure we put some regulations in.
	Does anybody find it ironic that Zuckerberg.
	Now, of course, they're blaming face bag for the Trump thing when everybody at that company is a Democrat that voted for Hillary.
	Does anyone find any irony in that?
	Yeah.
	Well, not everyone's a Democrat.
	We know that for a fact because they sent their Republican worker bees, who I think are shackled and chained in the dungeon, you know, like the gimp with a gag ball.
	All right, you can go with the Trump campaign.
	Out you go, slave.
	Go show them how our platform works.
	But once you get Podesta making a rare appearance in a very safe space for him with Andrea Mitchell, so safe for him, and you hear now that he is himself shifting the blame to facebag.
	So we may not be able to find any Russia collusion, but oh my god, yes, here it is.
	It's so clear.
	And in addition to this, and I'm trying to...
	We tried to reconcile this.
	We had Jid Johnson of Department of Homeland Security saying, we told everybody the Russians had hacked.
	We told everybody the Russians had hacked.
	Hacked our democracy.
	Hacked our way in.
	They did it.
	And then the Trump campaign released.
	No, then because of the Access Hollywood tape, no one paid attention to it.
	I'm very pissed off.
	No one followed up with me.
	No one wanted to know.
	Yet, Podesta's going to talk about that same moment in time, and he has a very different take on it.
	Well, some of this we knew, but I think we're finding out a lot more information now, particularly the fact that private information of 50 million Facebook users was pilfered using a...
	Pilfered!
	Pilfered, I love that word.
	What exactly is the definition of pilfered?
	Stolen.
	Is that really the exact...
	Pretty much.
	It's an old term that people don't use much, but pilfered.
	You know, you pilfered it.
	You stole it.
	Stole.
	Hmm.
	Pilfered.
	So it's not like felched.
	Pilfered is different.
	You can look it up.
	You can look it up.
	That private information of 50 million Facebook users was pilfered using a ruse of having an academic come in and try to access the data.
	And we learned that that's been transferred to Cambridge Analytica.
	And they evidently used it during the course of the campaign.
	The data from your emails, your email dump, came out only minutes after the Access Hollywood.
	Late on a Friday afternoon.
	And just to set the context, most of those WikiLeaks dumps were early in the morning to drive the news cycle here in the U.S. So this was unusual from the get-go, and you guys noticed it right away.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And I think it was done to try to...
	Divert attention, at least to give the anchors on Fox News something to talk about other than the Access Hollywood tape.
	And I think that the question is whether there was coordination between the campaign and WikiLeaks, at least through intermediaries, about the timing of the release.
	And since WikiLeaks is connected to Russia, is that a fact?
	What?
	Yeah, she just said that.
	Since WikiLeaks is connected to Russia, listen.
	At least through intermediaries, about the timing of the release.
	And since WikiLeaks is connected to Russia, how does that arouse your suspicions about Russia's role?
	Clearly, WikiLeaks obtained, and I think all the U.S. intelligence community...
	His bait blew it off.
	Oh, yeah.
	He went right past it.
	He wanted nothing to do with that.
	No, because it's bullcrap.
	She's full of it.
	She's obviously been told that's one of those little talking points to try to stick to at MSNBC and NBC as a whole.
	NBC has become the bad actor.
	Yep.
	How does that arouse your suspicions about Russia's role?
	Clearly, the WikiLeaks obtained, and I think that all the U.S. intelligence community believes that WikiLeaks obtained those emails as a result of the Russian intelligence agencies hacking into my account, into the DNC accounts, and then providing them to WikiLeaks.
	Okay, a couple issues with this.
	The intelligence agencies don't actually know that for a fact, because they never saw the servers, never saw the DNC servers.
	They were given to, what was it?
	Crowdflare?
	Crowdsource?
	Crowdstrike?
	Crowdstrike?
	Pew, pew, pew, pew!
	Those guys.
	So no, the intelligence agencies actually couldn't claim that.
	And as for his email, we know how that took place.
	That was not a hack.
	It was a fishing expedition.
	Yeah, it worked.
	I just don't think it's the same thing as a hack.
	So why do they keep...
	You know, they like to stay on these memes, hoping the public eventually falls prey to believing these things.
	Well, I would say the public has fallen prey to this one.
	They've fallen prey to a lot.
	Yeah.
	But NBC... I just don't want to keep you from finishing this thought, but I am stunned that Comcast, who owns...
	NBC, most of it.
	General Electric owns a lot of it still, but not the majority stake.
	That they do this to an administration that can screw them over.
	With their merger and acquisition plans, you mean?
	General Electric still has to sell turbines to the Air Force, jet engines.
	It just stuns me.
	Who's a possible competitor to GE for jet engines?
	Pratt& Whitney, Rolls Royce.
	We wouldn't want to go R&R, but Pratt& Whitney.
	Yeah, you're right.
	That is stunning, actually.
	I find it unbelievable that the executives...
	If I was a shareholder in Comcast, NBC, I... I would really be up in arms about this.
	I would demand that the CEOs get fired.
	What's their stock ticker?
	Is it a short?
	No, I don't think it's the short.
	I think the short is what you gave us at the beginning of the show.
	Tesla's the short.
	And the interesting, I think one interesting line of inquiry that still needs to be pursued is...
	He's telling us what's going to happen, I presume.
	An interesting line that needs to be pursued.
	Okay, we can keep our eye out for it.
	Account into the DNC accounts and then providing them to WikiLeaks.
	And the interesting, I think one interesting line of inquiry that still needs to be pursued is we now know Mr.
	Nix, the CEO of Cambridge Analytica, was in touch with Mr.
	Assange.
	We don't know exactly the full extent of...
	How do we know this?
	Did you know this?
	I didn't know this.
	He says we now know this.
	Well, where's the now come?
	What is he talking about?
	I don't know.
	We now know.
	I might have missed something.
	I paid pretty close attention.
	After the show, I'm tweeting Assange on Twitter, and I'm going to ask him.
	Okay.
	What they might have communicated with one another, but clearly Mr.
	Nix was trying to get access to what Mr.
	Assange was talking about.
	We know that the same thing was true with Roger Stone trying to contact WikiLeaks and others.
	Okay, so what he's saying there is we know Roger Stone was trying to get contacts with WikiLeaks.
	This is the infamous Twitter direct message exchange between him and Guccifer 2.0, who now we find out from sources, sources familiar with the matter, who slipped up and he let it, he slipped up and he forgot to turn on his VPN and exposed him as a Russian agent.
	But this was the guy who's in jail in Romania and who literally said in multiple interviews, I would often use Russian VPNs because they're faster.
	But now that's turned into, ah, he used a Russian VPN. He wasn't Romanian.
	He was Russian.
	What?
	Yes.
	You haven't heard this?
	No, this is dumb.
	Yeah, but, well, Podesta knows what he's doing.
	He's trying to tie it all together here.
	We know that the same thing was true with Roger Stone trying to contact WikiLeaks and others, Guccifer 2.0, which was a direct Russian front.
	So, yeah, there's a lot of questions out there.
	There's a lot to be answered for.
	I think one of the things that, again, this is sort of new news, the revelation by Mr.
	Wiley, the...
	The whistleblower...
	Notice the punk, the jamoke with the pink hair and the nose ring is now Mr.
	Wiley, the whistleblower.
	And he'll keep calling him a whistleblower throughout this interview.
	And he's not a whistleblower.
	A whistleblower, you know, is doing something against his best interest.
	Usually working at the organization, he's blowing the whistleblower.
	Usually working at the organization, you find out some bad stuff.
	Yeah, Snowden, that's a whistleblower.
	Snowden...
	Well, Benny...
	Thomas Drake.
	There's a bunch of whistleblowers that are genuine whistleblowers.
	This is an insult to whistleblowers everywhere.
	Plus trying to demean them, I guess.
	Or maybe, I don't know.
	He's trying to elevate the moron kid.
	He's trying to elevate that kid into something real.
	Again, this is sort of new news.
	A revelation by Mr.
	Wiley, the whistleblower at Cambridge Analytica, noted that Steve Bannon was directing the What?
	Hold on.
	Stop.
	You've been on boards.
	I sure have.
	Do you get to dictate anything?
	How often do you go down and see the troops and tell them what to do?
	No.
	Board members are to be blown.
	That's what happens.
	The troops don't listen.
	They don't get to say anything about nothing.
	Nothing.
	They get to say nothing about nothing.
	They go have a board meeting.
	Yeah, they get their shares.
	They don't get out and go into the field and all of a sudden become, hey, I'm a board member.
	You got to do what I say.
	Any collusion?
	Yeah, there's really nothing...
	Being a board member is a hassle.
	People typically don't want to go.
	But then, you know, they give you a whole bunch of shares.
	Okay, I guess I gotta go.
	I'm on the board.
	The whole thing is bullcrap.
	This is a bullcrap comment.
	...during his tenure as a board member and board secretary of Cambridge Analytica.
	They were meeting in the apartment of Rebecca Mercer with Robert Mercer, who were the backers of Cambridge Analytica.
	And also huge funders of the Trump campaign.
	I don't think that's true.
	I don't know what she means by the Trump campaign.
	As far as I know, Trump's, you know, the primary he funded himself, I think Mercer's probably donate to the RNC.
	But it kind of make it sound like, oh, yeah, we got the Russians.
	We got the big billionaires.
	We got the big Bannon.
	Bannon, there's just connections everywhere, baby.
	Stone, bring in Stone.
	Huge funders of Breitbart News, and I think it's time to reopen that investigation, as Democrats have suggested.
	It's time to bring up the Mercers back, bring back Mr.
	Bannon, and ask him what they knew and when did they know it.
	Alright, so now, with all of this information that John Podesta has handily put together for us, now we can understand exactly what went down with the data from Badass Facebag, Cambridge Analytica, Russians, Luke Oil, all this stuff.
	Here's what it resulted in.
	And then when you look at what they were, again, in that Sting video, what they're touting, putting information into the bloodstream of the Internet.
	Oh, yes!
	Yes!
	The Holy Grail!
	Putting information into the bloodstream of the internet!
	Is it like a main artery you go to and Cambridge Analytica has the scalpel?
	Is that how it works?
	Putting information into the bloodstream of the internet.
	Letting it push out.
	The whole idea that the Russian operation was built around the same thing.
	Of trying to push fake news into that bloodstream and let it rattle around and affect people's attitudes.
	Oh, yeah.
	So here's how it works.
	They should put this in their pitch document.
	We push disinformation into the bloodstream.
	We let it rattle around a little bit.
	And then people think differently.
	That's right.
	By now, we'll give you two.
	The idea of psychographic information that might affect people's tendency to be fearful or to send racial messages, all that sort of a...
	Racial messages?
	Oh, it gets better now.
	Pumping racial messages into the bloodstream.
	Messages.
	All that sort of a piece.
	What we don't know is, is there a direct connection between the Russian operation and Cambridge Analytica?
	To be continued.
	To be continued.
	Dum, dum, dum, dum.
	Dum, dum, dum, dum.
	Now, why do I know this is working?
	What's working?
	The campaign against the face bag to move the problem from Russia to face bag.
	How do we know?
	Because The View is talking about it.
	And they're not very flattering.
	So, our responsibility now is to make sure that this doesn't happen again.
	Thanks, Mark Zuckerberg.
	Super genuine.
	I feel so much better.
	It's like an android giving an interview.
	It's like a hologram of a person.
	You're talking about our personal data.
	And by the way, he's like, I'm sure someone is trying to use Facebook to meddle in our midterm elections.
	Oh, really?
	Okay, fantastic.
	Do you want to do something about it with your billion-dollar company?
	I think it's a PR disaster, and their stock will probably continue to plummet.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Okay, Joy.
	I think it's hard because, one, it's really hard to drop Facebook.
	Not just emotionally, because I think it's an addiction, but they make it almost impossible.
	There's like a 90-day waiting period.
	And then if you click back on just for a second, it starts the clock all over again.
	It's like a bad diet.
	It's really hard.
	But on top of that, I think their strength, which is their size, is their weakness in this.
	They cannot keep up with the security and the technology as they advance.
	So it's like they left all the safety precautions behind as they just kept growing and growing and growing.
	He did know.
	He said they took steps to correct any breaches.
	But I just...
	What is this?
	She's getting...
	It was very odd this moment.
	She's reaching for her ear because the control room is...
	Someone's saying something to her.
	And I'm not sure if they said, go easy on Facebag or double down.
	But whatever the case, once she kind of stumbles, fumbles through it, Joy Behar picks it up with, I think, what was being said in the control room.
	But I just...
	What is this?
	Is there a song in your heart?
	I'm hearing something from the control room.
	But I think that, you know, people aren't going to delete Facebook, right?
	People aren't going to delete Facebook.
	I am.
	You are?
	I am going to delete it.
	A lot of people are deleting.
	First of all, I'd say two things.
	Okay, I know what happened.
	I think what happened is the control room was like, okay, enough of this.
	The debate they wanted, and we know that the view is completely scripted.
	It's scripted.
	They are reading.
	They are reading.
	And when they go off script is when they get into trouble, people get fired.
	I think the control room said, hello, back to the core of the controversy, do we delete Facebook or do we not delete Facebook?
	I think that's what they were trying to do, which is why she says, oh, you know, getting people, this shouldn't mean deleting Facebook, I don't know, and then Joy Pyle jumps in saying, I'm going to delete Facebook.
	I think that's what they were going for in this segment.
	I'm hearing something from the control room.
	But I think that, you know, People aren't going to delete Facebook, right?
	People aren't going to delete Facebook.
	You are?
	I am going to delete it.
	First of all, I'd say two things.
	Number one, Zuckerberg needs to apologize to Hillary Clinton.
	Number one.
	And number two, what I really can't stand on Facebook is people professing their love for each other.
	Oh, those are my favorite.
	It's like, I can't stand it.
	It's like, why do the Russians have to know that I love my husband?
	I always say, why don't you just...
	Everybody has to know this.
	The Russians have to know about it.
	We are the product.
	We are the product.
	All of our information, all of our personal information, all of our photos, they're going to use it.
	I know.
	Absurd, dystopian, darkest science fiction way in order to manipulate us to choose what we're going to do and who we're going to vote for.
	And Mark Zuckerberg, in all sincerity, he should have done a lot better than he did in that CNN interview.
	He didn't seem to be as sorry as he needs to be for what he has done to the American public.
	And by the way, globally, what he has done as well, no problem meeting with the Kremlin, no problem meeting with China.
	I 100% think he should be talking in front of Congress, and we can get to the bottom of this.
	It's the ultimate power.
	75% of the American population is on this.
	And if we just want to continue having our elections manipulated with, then fantastic.
	But I personally don't think that should happen.
	So what is the answer?
	Is it deleting Facebook?
	Is it not using Facebook?
	I think it's regulating it.
	Yes.
	Regulating.
	Regulating.
	Out in front of technology, I think this is a growing area.
	They were pioneers.
	That's why we're all there.
	How about regulating yourself?
	Ah, shut up, Whoopi, with your voice of reason.
	Go away.
	That's no good.
	We can't use that in this segment.
	Now, I'm wrapping this up.
	With the whistleblower...
	By the way, that is such a great...
	That's one of your best finds on...
	Because it's...
	This actually has a lot of depth to it, especially with that control room thing.
	I figured it out.
	I just...
	I was trying to...
	Yeah, no, I... No.
	Yes.
	I didn't say yeah, no, but I thought I did.
	I'm going to give you a clip of the day for that.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Clip of the day.
	And it was...
	I knew that we would figure it out together on the show, but it just hit me all of a sudden.
	Like, oh, that's what the segment was supposed to be.
	Do I delete Facebook or not?
	Because this is also a meme.
	Hashtag delete Facebook.
	We got Elon Musk deleted Facebag from whatever.
	Or deleted the Tesla Facebag account.
	Tesla and his other company, SpaceX.
	Yeah.
	Which is...
	You know, very, very dangerous thing to do if you're a Silicon Valley mogul.
	That shit will come back to you, my friend.
	That shit will come back.
	So, we're the whistleblower, Mr.
	Wiley, Mr.
	Wiley, the jamoke with the pink hair, the nose ring, which is all fine, but, you know, come on.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	He makes the mistake of going on the overnight sensation show, Don Lemon, and this fabulous conversation ensued.
	Alexander Nix, who you speak of, says when the reporter...
	Well, hold on.
	Stop.
	I want to remind people from a previous show, because you might be just coming out under a snowdrift, that We're good to go.
	By speculating, he's become a whistleblower.
	And it's very obvious he's doing this for political motives.
	I'll just call him an operative.
	Someone is talking to him, friends or whatever, informal or not.
	And his job is to tie Cambridge Analytica to Russia.
	That's his job.
	And by the way, the fact that they have to use him is how weak the entire...
	Bit is.
	The gambit.
	The gambit has...
	The best you can do is this guy?
	Yeah.
	I mean, you could have gotten a lot of people.
	Now, he needs to discredit Cambridge Analytica as a reputable outfit, and they may be completely horrible.
	I don't know.
	I know they fired their head guy over that video, which was sleazy.
	Not uncommon in political operations, but sleazy.
	And so, well, no, no, we're legit.
	But listen to how he brings it all together with Don Lemon.
	And it...
	And it gets really uncomfortable.
	And I might want to say, it's kind of obvious, but not everyone knows Don Lemon is gay, and Mr.
	Wiley the whistleblower, Wiley whistleblower, is also gay.
	Posing as a prospective client, turning the conversation to entrapment and corruption, the executives left with grave concerns and did not meet with him again.
	Nix added this, a Cambridge Analytica does not condone or engage in entrapment, bribes or so-called honey traps, nor does it use untrue material for any purpose.
	So my question, I see you're shaking your head there and you don't believe it.
	The question is, what does all this say about the techniques that they use?
	Well, let me put it this way.
	I'm probably the only gay guy in London that had a membership card to a strip club with women.
	And I will dispute that?
	This is bullshit.
	There's tons of gay guys who go to female strip clubs.
	Yeah.
	I'm reliably informed.
	I'm pretty sure.
	Why wouldn't there be?
	But he makes this a point, like it's so obvious.
	I think the LGBTQIAPK community should be up in arms against this guy.
	Meaning?
	Meaning that this was a common technique that the company used.
	I would be at strip clubs all the time.
	I need you to be more specific.
	You said you were the only gay guy in London with a membership to a strip club.
	What do you mean by that?
	Be more explicit.
	You know, one of the things that this company does is it will do whatever it takes to get a contract.
	This is what I love.
	Dude, have you ever been in business?
	Have you ever been to a bank?
	Business is done in the strip clubs.
	Did you notice he says, yeah.
	He says what?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, to get a.
	Get a?
	Oh, get a?
	For get a.
	Oh, instead of get a contract.
	Get a contract.
	Get a.
	So, first of all, by just saying things that are patently untrue.
	Oh, no gay guy goes to a strip bar.
	If you're selling stuff, you will.
	My God, I had Banker's Trust as a client.
	If we wanted to get a contract, you got to score.
	Yeah.
	That's how the deal is done.
	And we'd pick up the damn tab and write it off.
	So yeah, how horrible these people must be.
	One of the things that this company does is it will do whatever it takes to get a contract.
	And if that means entertaining a client at a strip club with women stripping, they will do that.
	Because that's the worst thing for a gay guy ever!
	Oh, gay guys' heads would explode.
	There's more gay guys backstage at the strip club than you know.
	They're best friends.
	They're besties.
	A strip club with women stripping, they will do that.
	Do you think, Christopher, that the Trump campaign did anything nefarious in this, or were all these bad actions by Cambridge?
	I can't speculate as to what the Trump campaign is doing because I didn't work on the Trump campaign.
	But what I do know is that...
	You see, what happens is whenever it comes to something about the Trump campaign, which he wasn't working there, he struggles.
	That's why the stuttering.
	I can't speculate as to what the Trump campaign was doing, because I didn't work on the Trump campaign, but what I do know is that there is a perverse company culture inside of Cambridge Analytica, and as the undercover shows, they're willing to go to extreme lengths to service their clients, and they'll do anything that helps, whether it's legal or not.
	Including sending a gay guy to a strip club.
	This guy's a wreck.
	He's falling apart.
	He doesn't seem like a genuine stutterer.
	You're right.
	He's stuttering at the moment from the questions.
	He thinks he can go out and see.
	He did his big interview, and he should have shut up after that, done a couple of written pieces.
	No more TV. Get the book.
	Yeah, get your book deal.
	He's blowing the book deal right now.
	Oh, yeah, and the book deal's done.
	Nobody's going to get him right.
	Now, thanks to the fantastic work of our producers, I love you so much.
	It is your show.
	I have the two clips that I really wanted.
	It came from two different producers.
	I really wanted these.
	And this is regarding the 2012 campaign and the face-back data used by the Obama campaign.
	We'll start first with...
	And these are pretty short.
	We'll start with Obama campaign manager Jim Messina...
	And here's what he says.
	My name is Jim Messina.
	I served as campaign manager to Barack Obama's presidential campaign.
	I've done campaigns all across the country.
	Thank you for the applause in the back.
	What's your applause?
	And we decided on the first day of the campaign to use data across department because we thought it was the best avenue to the truth.
	And we ended up using data to inform almost every major decision we did in the campaign.
	And we had a singular goal to run a personalized campaign where you got a different campaign than you did, all based on our ability to move you and persuade you to vote and support Barack Obama.
	And there's 332 electoral votes.
	It shows it worked.
	Well now, I think that's equivalent to injecting information into the bloodstream of the internet, letting it rattle around a bit, and then influencing your decision.
	Now, specifically about this data, and we know that in 2014, the face bags locked down the platform, so you could no longer get this treasure trove of data.
	Which is the new bacon.
	In fact, I just downloaded all of my Facebook data today because there was some viral thing going around that it actually contains your cell phone calls and your actual SMS text messages.
	I haven't found that yet.
	But...
	Before 2014, you would also get all of that same or the app creator, which is not necessarily an app on your phone.
	It can also be an app.
	This is called a web app.
	So the stupid quizzes you take, you know, can you recognize these top 10 songs, etc.
	They used to be able to get all of the same information from your friends.
	Now they can only get the friends list.
	But in 2012, you certainly could get everything.
	And the company that worked with the Obama campaign at the time, Was Rentrak, R-E-N-T-R-A-K. Carol Davidson of Rentrak explains how they did this, and she's very proud of it.
	This is in, I think, a PDF talk.
	What is PDF? It's like a takeoff on a TED Talk.
	I don't know what the organization PD is.
	I don't know what it is.
	I've never heard of it.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's similar to a TED Talk.
	So Facebook, 2012 election, had the ability for people to opt in.
	The Obama campaign, like, rocked this, right?
	We got people to opt in.
	Right.
	And the privacy policies at that time on Facebook were that if they opted in, they could tell us who all their friends were.
	Okay?
	So they told us who all their friends were.
	Okay.
	The Obama campaign just did this on a digital.
	By the way, okay.
	A couple things.
	First of all, the PDF talk is probably an Adobe thing, so this may have to do with Adobe, one of their conferences.
	Second, she's going to do a lot of this, right?
	Okay.
	You need to not mimic her because you're going to miss the beauty of this clip.
	I don't want you to miss a single word she says.
	Okay, right.
	Okay, so they told us who all their friends were.
	The Obama campaign just did this on a digital level, on a much larger level, but we were actually able to ingest the entire social network of the U.S. that's on Facebook, which is most people.
	Where this gets complicated is, that freaks Facebook out, right?
	So they shut off the feature.
	Well, the Republicans never built an app to do that.
	So the data's out there.
	You can't take it back, right?
	So the Democrats have this information.
	So when they look at a voter file and someone comes to them, they can immediately be like, oh, here are all the other people that they know, and here are people that they can help us persuade because they're really good friends with this person.
	The Republicans do not have that information and will not get that information, right?
	No, I'm a Democrat, so maybe I could argue that's a great thing.
	But really, it's not in the overall process, right?
	Like, that wasn't thought all the way through, and now there's a disadvantage of information that, to me, seems unfair.
	But I'm not Facebook, so this is the realities.
	There you go.
	I would call that a gun that is smoking.
	They had the whole network.
	That's a fabulous clip.
	They had the whole damn network.
	I'm rescinding the other clip of the day.
	And creating a new one.
	Okay.
	Clip of the day.
	This was expected.
	You have to put that clip aside.
	That is like, that clip, and thanks to the producer who dug it up, because that's not a new clip.
	That clip is on par with the advertising clip that we keep dredging up from NPR. So you have to keep that clip for additional use, because this whole thing about the 50 million doesn't hold a candle.
	To the data that the Democrats already had.
	Not even close.
	So what is Podesta talking about?
	What is anybody talking about?
	With that clip in mind, there is nothing to talk about.
	You're done.
	You're done.
	It's over.
	Shut up.
	And even better that the Republicans didn't have access to that data.
	And the Democrats still have it.
	Just as Cambridge Analytica needs to say, we won't use it, shouldn't the Democrats do the same?
	Shouldn't they destroy it?
	It doesn't have to be some kind of...
	Yes, they should.
	If somebody ever mentions it on the media, if some reporter ever asks the question, if somebody actually is objective and brings this up, this is a known fact.
	Yep.
	So where are the reporters asking about it?
	Ah!
	Sure.
	You can play that clip.
	Play that clip now, a reporter asking Podesta or somebody, anybody, about that clip, about what she said, about the fact that the Democrats have all of Facebook, not just a mere 50 million.
	Well, from 2012.
	I'm waiting.
	From 2012.
	They don't have it current day, but that's still not bad.
	No, well, considering it's everybody.
	Yeah.
	Everybody in 2012 is a big number.
	Yep.
	I'm guessing 200 million.
	They had the whole network.
	The whole network.
	Yeah.
	And when you see the data that they have on you, man.
	Yeah, there's entire...
	Really?
	What do you think they have on me?
	Zero.
	Zero.
	Except for your fake account, which I know you have.
	I don't have a fake account.
	And why is that?
	Because you're not on it.
	I have no accounts.
	You're not on Facebook.
	I'm on no account.
	I'm on no account.
	You know, what was interesting, let me see if I can bring this up.
	Did I have this somewhere?
	I wasn't really going to do this, but there's all these different categories, like advertisers who have all your information.
	And there's a huge list for me of one company, except it's all of their individual country affiliates, I guess.
	Can you guess what that is?
	One company.
	One company has what?
	One advertiser, according to the Facebag data.
	One advertiser.
	I'm going to open it up now.
	Hold on a second.
	It's pretty cool.
	Is it ads or advertisers?
	There's so much in here, John.
	It's crazy.
	Ad history.
	Ad topics.
	How about this?
	Bruce Lipton.
	Donald Trump.
	Physical exercise.
	Colt Cabana.
	Heavy metal music.
	Katerina, American rock, popular music.
	I don't know.
	I mean, why?
	I don't know who Katerina is.
	It says Doctor Who.
	I wouldn't be looking at that.
	Coffee houses, Netherlands, Christianity, President of the United States, ring name, antenna, Ronald Reagan, journalism, restaurants, Bruce H. Lipton, PhD.
	Again, who is that?
	Why do I have such interest in him?
	Toys, fitness and wellness.
	Pfft.
	Wow.
	Here we go.
	So these things aren't that accurate.
	Advertisers with your contact info.
	I'll go down this list.
	Bed Bath& Beyond, KLM Nigeria, Airbnb, Spotify, KLM Finland, Toyota Nadelons, The New York Times, KLM Norge, Uber Eats, AT&T, KLM Ghana, KLM Italia, KLM Denmark, KLM Dutch Caribbean.
	Stop.
	I'm not getting what you're...
	For some reason, I've lost the plot.
	Advertisers with your information...
	Where did you get...
	Where does this come from?
	I'm reading...
	So when you download your face bag information, it gives you tons...
	It's essentially everything...
	You pick this up from your own download?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Every...
	So they actually...
	In your download, they have this information?
	Yes.
	This is the information that you are giving away when you give it to anybody.
	This is the type of information.
	Everybody download all their information and look at this list?
	Yes, this is a good thing to do.
	Did you know about this before you did the download?
	I've heard of it.
	I hadn't done it.
	I didn't know it contained this type of information.
	So, for instance, right above this, it has ad history.
	I have more questions that you have to answer.
	Okay.
	Does this mean that these people requested information about you or were you part of a group that was fed?
	No.
	Whose profile was fed to the following people?
	No.
	I did something.
	I may have clicked on a link.
	I may have done whatever I did and the advertiser got my information by my action.
	With KLM, I don't know if I ever clicked on a link or an ad, but there must be 50 KLM subsidiaries in this list, so they shared it amongst themselves, I presume.
	Why would KLM Nigeria...
	Have your information.
	Well, how about Malaysia, Japan, Panama, Polska, Singapore, Peru, Chile, Deutschland, Czech Republic, Philippines, Russia, India, Mexico, the Netherlands, España, Thailand, Romania, Ukraine, Taiwan, Canada, South Africa, Hungary, Korea, Colombia, Suriname.
	Why would they need that?
	Go on with the list.
	Well, what I also like...
	Part of the list is ad history, and it says, for instance, hidden in plain sight.
	No, I'm sorry.
	Let me do a better one.
	This is because I saw there was one about the iceberg that overturned.
	So it was iceberg overturned, clicked on ad.
	So I don't know what I did, but I remember seeing this story pop up on Facebook.
	I clicked on the story.
	I read the story.
	Somehow I clicked on an ad.
	And so now...
	No, how about this?
	It was a native ad.
	It was the ad.
	That's the only answer I could come up with.
	I agree.
	Yeah, the story was an ad.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there you go.
	I got duped.
	You got duped?
	Well, you know what?
	Now I'm looking through this.
	These are the native ads.
	Jesus, I'm sorry.
	Didn't mean to do that.
	Here are the native ads.
	The 16 lens camera that will revolutionize photography.
	How to use a raw egg to determine if your mattress is awful.
	Well, you click on everything.
	2018 Austin Modern Home Tour.
	We did that.
	We went.
	How to get clients who can afford you.
	Sixth graders unveil hedge fund secret.
	These are all native ads.
	Of course they are.
	You're like a sucker.
	I tested out the world's first off-the-shelf mesh net creator.
	The guy who photographs luxury planes for mega-billionaires.
	Women described 14 years of Austin Opera Maestro's lewd talk and touches.
	That was a native ad?
	A clickbait.
	Wow.
	Let's see.
	Experts say this will be a national nightmare.
	Hotel workers...
	That's really old-fashioned clickbait.
	Hotel workers reveal what most guests probably know.
	I knew that was clickbait.
	I should say clickbait more than native ad.
	Well, that's an interesting point you just made.
	Which is, is there a difference between clickbait and native advertising?
	Well, here's what I'm seeing.
	Looking at this list, this is a very typical one.
	Hidden in plain eyesight.
	Handy features on the iPhone some users still don't know about.
	So I'm presuming when I click on this, it's an ad.
	I'm presuming my information goes to this advertiser of this story.
	So clickbait is really, in this case on FaceBag, meant to get your info.
	Because the story was, you know, I was like, oh, there's a couple things I didn't know.
	But I certainly didn't know.
	I'm sure it says sponsored post or something like that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'm sure it says that in small letters somewhere.
	They have to.
	I'm sure it does that.
	Well, sometimes I've observed this because I think clickbait headlines are fantastic.
	Sometimes there'll be a whole slew of things, and if you look carefully, the whole slew is boxed, and somewhere at the bottom it says sponsored ads.
	Yes, exactly.
	But you click it along in there, it doesn't say right under each ad.
	Sometimes it does.
	Well, how about this?
	I sent this article to you.
	The seven-year itch, how Apple's marriage to Siri turned sour.
	That was clickbait.
	Yes.
	It was clickbait.
	And I clicked on it, too.
	I want to see what they're talking about.
	It was a good story.
	It was about the guys who started the company and they bailed out and they went someplace else.
	It was definitely not native ad in the classic sense.
	It was just clickbait.
	Now, here's where I beat the system.
	And I'm happy to see this.
	Under the heading, Information Submitted to Lead Ads and Pages Platform.
	I wonder what that means.
	Information submitted to lead ads and pages platform.
	Some internal classification.
	Yeah, so I guess I took some action and it gave my information to the lead ads and pages platform.
	I'm proud of myself that I gave two pieces of information.
	Phone number 555-555-5555 and my email is facebook at douche.com.
	So I did well on that.
	Oh, so you sent them bogus information?
	Yeah, bogus information.
	Now, if only I remembered where I used that, I could understand the trail a little bit better.
	But it's fascinating.
	It's fascinating stuff to look at, and I encourage anyone to do it.
	What's the process for doing it?
	You should explain it.
	You go to your face bag, you click on your face on your icon, and then you go to settings, and right there it says download your face bag.
	And you get all your data.
	And then they send you an email that your data is ready to download.
	It's eye-opening how much is wrong.
	I look at this and I'm like, I never have interest in Kane, the wrestler.
	I'm sure I've never looked up blues music.
	Mercedes-Benz?
	I think not.
	Interior design?
	Pfft.
	Yeah, there's some stuff in there.
	Like Alsmeer.
	That's a big one.
	Alsmeer.
	Why is Alsmeer on there?
	What is that?
	That's the town in the Netherlands that we get donations from.
	Well, maybe...
	That's interesting.
	Well, maybe some other people will do this.
	Most of our listeners are Facebook users, I believe.
	And tell us the other bogus stuff that's in there.
	It's possible that they're putting the bogus stuff in there to attract It may be a scam.
	What?
	You mean Facebook's data is corrupted?
	Yeah.
	On purpose.
	Ooh.
	I hadn't thought about that.
	Yeah.
	That's interesting.
	Mercedes-Benz is a good example.
	They got deep pockets for advertising.
	We all know that.
	And we need a million people to get an ad from us.
	Oh, we've got a million people that have shown interest in Mercedes-Benz.
	Here they are, including you.
	Right?
	Yeah, right, right.
	Well, to wrap this up, because we do need to take a break, I'd like to play a piece of my new favorite hottie in the administration, Heather Nauert.
	You know, she used to be on Fox and Friends.
	Oh, I didn't know that.
	Yeah, she was with CBS. She's been around the block in the networks.
	Whatever that means.
	Well, she's been at, I think, ABC or CBS. She went over to Fox because she's got that certain kind of a look.
	And I've never seen her before this gig because I guess I never watched Fox and Friends, but she was on that for a while.
	I like her.
	I like what she...
	She's very personable.
	She completely buys into everything, as you'll hear in this clip, obviously.
	She's a believer.
	She's a fangirl.
	She's a believer in the mission.
	Yeah, but she's not a snoot like those guys.
	No, no, no.
	Kirby.
	Well, but she's mean to the Russians.
	She's very mean to the Russian journalists.
	She hates the Russians.
	That's because she's a fangirl of the whole...
	And she's dementia B, really.
	I think she's firmly planted in dementia bee.
	Dementia.
	There's a question about the American Center.
	I didn't know these existed, but I put some information in the show notes.
	The American Center in Kenya.
	The embassy of Kenya is starting a campaign to help locals to identify fake news and then to help them to stop, reflect and verify before forwarding any misinformation.
	First on that and secondly, is any other or any other American embassies doing the same thing?
	Yeah.
	So I'm aware of that program that's taking place out of our embassy.
	I believe it's being run out of one of our American centers.
	If you're traveling overseas and you've never been to one of our American centers, it's a pretty neat place to go.
	Neat!
	A place where young people or older people can go and kind of hang out and work on college applications and all that.
	I had an opportunity to visit one in Bangladesh, which was a neat opportunity.
	She used neat twice, which means she thinks it's bullcrap.
	Warren Beatty famously told Madonna her show was neat.
	The American Center, there's clearly something going on with that, which I think I can deconstruct.
	And just to make sure, if you didn't understand clearly what the reporter was asking...
	I don't think that saying neat means that she's saying bullshit.
	Oh, that was my impression.
	She thinks it's neat.
	I think it's just a phrase, an old sorority sister phrase.
	She's a sorority chick.
	Okay.
	And neat is like something you'd say.
	So the question is, why is the ambassador teaching the locals how to spot fake news?
	And is this happening in more places?
	And this is a program, as you heard her say, that is being run out of the American centers, which are So I believe it's being run out of our American Center.
	The idea, I think the genesis came from our ambassador who is serving there.
	And the idea is, you know, if you ever talk to somebody who, no offense, but in their early 20s, they don't know how to identify legitimate news sites.
	I have these conversations with their babysitters all the time.
	And they'll come to me with a piece of news saying, hey, Heather, take a look at this.
	And I ask, what is the source of that news?
	And they'll say it's some blogger or blogger who apparently is a star.
	And I've never heard of him, but, you know, I'm much older than they are.
	So what do I know?
	The point being is that that seems to be an issue, especially with younger people nowadays, perhaps with folks around the world as well, where they don't know how to go to legitimate sites or they don't ask the questions and verify themselves what the source is of this information.
	So I think the ambassador was just trying to help teach young people in particular how to identify real news and how to identify fake news.
	And so I think it's probably a good idea if it's going on in other embassies.
	I'm just not aware of it.
	Uh-huh.
	So, I'm thinking to myself, what qualifies the ambassador to teach, what qualifies anybody, really, to teach the locals how to identify fake news?
	And the ambassador to Kenya is Robert F. Godek.
	Born in 1956, an American career diplomat, career minister in the senior foreign service, has been the ambassador to Kenya since 2012.
	Before that, ambassador to Tunisia.
	Nothing else is known about our good ambassador.
	Spot the spook.
	Spot the spook.
	Everybody wants to spot the spook.
	Yep, that's where these spooks go.
	To rest and to die is an ambassadorship.
	This guy looks the business too.
	I just thought that was kind of interesting that there we are in every other country.
	We are helping you identify fake news.
	It's just a stone's throw from helping you put news into the bloodstream of the internet.
	Wow.
	That's a good one.
	It's neat.
	You're on a roll.
	It's neat.
	Well, thank you.
	Oh, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
	See, you jinxed it.
	Well, you said you're on a roll, and you jinxed it.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda.
	No agenda.
	In the morning!
	What?
	We have...
	What?
	What were you saying?
	In the morning!
	Oh, I couldn't hear you.
	Joshua Dillsaver in Springfield, Missouri is the first guy we want to thank for $138.
	And I'll read his note because it looks interesting.
	I ate a Chinese-Mexican burrito tonight with my beautiful wife, Amanda.
	Okay?
	Chinese-Mexican burrito.
	Well, burritos tends to be Mexican, so you're a little bit redundant there.
	It could have been Chinese burrito.
	Wait a minute.
	Burrito is...
	What did you say?
	I said saying a Mexican burrito is redundant.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	I don't know what a Chinese-Mexican burrito is.
	Well, it's a Chinese...
	It's like the thing they have...
	One of the famous burritos in San Francisco, which I have had a piece of.
	The Kimchi Burrito.
	It was an operation on 4th Street, I think.
	I can't remember the name of this place.
	But wow!
	Anyways, I was turned on to it by Butler.
	So you call that Chinkmex?
	What do you call that?
	AdamXCurry.com I was waiting for it!
	Hey, if it can be Tex-Mex, what's the problem?
	He says he found the following in his fortune cookie.
	You will soon be singled out for a promotion.
	Congrats!
	Whoa!
	I don't want a good fortune like this to go to waste.
	So he said he boosted with a shot of proven no agenda jobs karma.
	Anyway.
	Well, you want me to give it to him now?
	I'll give it to him at the end.
	Okay.
	He already got the promotion.
	Oh, he's going to get the promotion.
	Yeah, it's coming.
	It's fact.
	It was in the burrito.
	It was in the fortune cookie, but I think putting a fortune in a burrito is the way to go.
	That's a product right there.
	William Durkin in Greenville, South Carolina.
	$133.33.
	Do you see his email?
	He says, see email, no.
	No jingle, no karma.
	He says, I work for the three dot domain.
	What is that?
	What do you think?
	That's what I thought.
	I'm going to have to go get his email.
	I'll look it up.
	If it's a three dot domain, he probably doesn't want us to read it.
	George Kunath.
	$110.19.
	These are good notes, John.
	Hold on.
	I like your show.
	I am an old guy and do not like some of the vulgar language, but one cannot have everything.
	But one cannot have everything.
	Well, thank you, George.
	I do try to temper it.
	Yeah, he does.
	Believe me.
	Sir Ever.
	Sir Ever of the what?
	Sir Ever of the what?
	$109.46.
	He says, Linwood, Michigan.
	He says, what?
	I'm no longer in Saudi-Daisy.
	Saudi-Daisy.
	He's anonymous in Munich, München, Deutschland.
	Hello, Deutschland!
	Sir Peepslayer, 55-55.
	By the way, anonymous is 101-90.
	Sir Peepslayer, 55-55.
	He says, jobs karma, I'm so broke I could almost be a podcaster.
	There you go.
	Okay, coming up.
	Love you guys.
	So now we're done.
	So we're under the $50 donation's name and location.
	Thanks, Obama.
	Thanks, Obama.
	Aaron Haven, Spring, Texas.
	David Fugizotto in Gladstone, Missouri.
	Sir Eric VM, Baronet of the Valley.
	These are all $50.
	Alexa Delgado.
	In Aptos, California.
	Beautiful area.
	Mitchell Kaufman in Hillsboro, Oregon.
	Another good area.
	Wine grower.
	Wine growing area.
	I don't know about him.
	James Butcher in Dalwalino, Australia.
	Western Australia.
	Dalwalino, I think.
	I'm not even going to try it.
	It's not even close.
	Kenneth Lindbergh in Miami, Florida.
	That's it.
	done.
	We're good for the show.
	We're going to sign off.
	Yes, we are really going to sign off if this keeps up.
	Wow.
	Well, I'm chalking it up mainly to the weather, I hope.
	I hope we get a big release, a bevy of checks.
	Most of them are for like five bucks.
	There's a big file coming in because I'm telling you, they're just backed up.
	Yeah, but most of them are for five or ten bucks, right?
	Yeah, most of them.
	There's subscriber checks.
	People put them in there.
	There's one gal who keeps sending in a buck ninety-nine every two weeks.
	Oh, okay.
	It's appreciated.
	Yeah.
	It adds up, but it doesn't add up if they're not there, so not in the box.
	All right.
	Well, thank you very much, donors over 50.
	It is really appreciated, even though we're bitching about it, but you came in and went, thank you.
	You are producing the show in the way that true producers do.
	Of course, we want to thank people who came in under 50, certainly for anonymity.
	Also, a lot of those subscriptions, we have...
	Go check it out on our donation page, please.
	Slash N. A. K. By multiple requests.
	Jobs.
	Jobs.
	And jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got...
	Karma.
	And no birthdays today.
	It's just no one's birthday.
	No one was born.
	This is the most boring day in history.
	It could happen.
	Yeah, it does happen.
	But we've got two knights here on deck.
	Let me get this.
	I got it right here.
	I got the short one.
	Yes, very good.
	Chris Raymer, Robert Pinder, gentlemen, hop up on stage here.
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	Therefore, you join the roundtable of our No Agenda Knights and Dames, and I hereby proudly pronounce Kate the Circus Media, Knight of Zootown, Missoula, Montana, and Sir Pindernet of the Lucky 13.
	For you, we've got hookers, blow, rent boys, chardonnay, bourbon and bong ribs, trophies and tires, smoke onion rings and ice cream, English muffins with butter and honey.
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	Our episode will be on Thursday.
	Dvorak.org slash NA. That'd be 1020, which I think is an important 10 code.
	Ooh.
	Yes.
	1020 is location.
	Yeah.
	Give me a 1020 for 1086.
	I think that's where you sailed.
	1020 for 1086?
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	Um...
	Yeah, we had...
	Boring.
	By the way...
	Oh, yes?
	Did Austin celebrate Earth Hour?
	Oh, I don't know.
	We were in Bryan College Station.
	I don't know.
	Did College Station celebrate Earth Hour?
	No one mentioned it to me.
	Did you celebrate Earth Hour?
	I confess I did not.
	Well, let's see.
	But some places did.
	I didn't even know about it.
	Did they turn off the lights?
	Yeah, for an hour.
	Huh.
	CBS reporting.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I didn't know you had a clip.
	It says Earth Hour.
	I thought you fell over it.
	No, I thought it was just an offhanded comment.
	All around the world, cities have been going dark tonight to mark Earth Hour.
	From the Eiffel Tower in Paris to New Delhi's India Gate War Memorial to the skyline in Hong Kong, lights went out for one hour at 8.30 local time.
	Organizers call it the world's largest grassroots movement for the environment.
	And the earth chuckled in delight.
	Brother.
	You stupid slaves.
	I'd like to know if Austin did anything.
	Oh, I'm sure they did.
	I'm sure they did, yeah.
	Around here, I didn't see anything happening.
	In the liberal state of California, I don't remember this.
	I saw no PR. I mean, the news was clogged.
	You said it yourself.
	There was no way.
	There was too much attention to the kids, so we couldn't even talk about Earth Hour.
	Couldn't get anything in.
	I'm sure Al Gore's pissed.
	Hey, this omnibus bill, no one has to know what that means other than it's all the shit everybody wants.
	In fact, the one thing I found out, one of the elements of the bill, They put in this bill.
	By the way, I do have Trump on the budget, a little short clip when he came out and made a special announcement.
	Well, let's do that first.
	We both found the same thing.
	But let's listen to the shorty.
	Create a series that nobody's been able to read because it was...
	It was just done.
	Now, you tell me who can read that quickly.
	It takes a long time to read it.
	For the last eight years, deep defense cuts have undermined our national security.
	How old are, and they just, if you look at what's taken out, they've hallowed our readiness as a military unit and put America at really grave risk.
	My highest duty is to keep America safe.
	No, it's not.
	Nothing more important.
	The omnibus bill reverses...
	No, I'm tired of it.
	No, that's not your highest duty.
	You're supposed to uphold and defend the Constitution, you douche.
	...dangerous defense.
	As crazy as it's been, as difficult as it's been, as much opposition to the military as we've had from the Democrats, and it has been tremendous.
	I try to explain to them, you know, the military is for Republicans and Democrats and everybody else.
	It's for everybody.
	But we have tremendous opposition to creating...
	Really what will be the far, by far, the strongest military that we've ever had.
	We've had that from the Democrats.
	So if we take something for the military, they want something for, in many cases, things that are really a wasted sum of money.
	It's not right, and it's very bad for our country.
	I'm very, very disappointed in this whole issue.
	First of all, $700 billion!
	Brown people who live in sandy areas, you're going to be tested on.
	This is horrible.
	I despise sending my money for this.
	It really pisses me off.
	Well, I wouldn't mind it one bit if they'd actually audit the Pentagon and audit the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, Marines.
	Because you know they're just throwing money away.
	Here's where I'm conflicted.
	I also know...
	At the same time, where that money is going, because, you know, this is what we do.
	We're a war machine-making country.
	I mean, the defense industry is, it's got to be our biggest.
	I mean, next to pharma.
	It's got to be really big.
	And, you know, it's not just for stuff that we're going to use.
	We sell a lot of it.
	But I don't like it.
	And then for the president to say, well, because we needed that and my first job is to make sure everyone's safe.
	Bull crap.
	No.
	Uphold and defend the Constitution.
	That's number one.
	Yeah, so, you know, because I got to do that, we all got to be safe.
	We got to give those douches everything they want.
	Including the CLOUD Act.
	Oh, well, this is not the one I picked out, but what's the CLOUD Act?
	Oh, they snuck this in.
	They snuck a lot of stuff in.
	Clarifying Lawful Overseas Use of Data Act.
	The CLOUD Act.
	And what this does...
	I can read it verbatim if you're interested, but...
	Required Preservation and Disclosure of Communications and Records...
	A provider of electronic communication service or remote computing service, that is everything from the face bag to noagendasocial.com, shall comply with the obligations of this chapter to preserve, backup, or disclose the contents of a wire or electronic communication and any record or other information pertaining to a customer or subscriber with such provider's possession, custody, or control, regardless of whether such communication record or other information is located within or outside of the United States.
	As a part of this, any country which has an agreement, they have the, what is the name, what do they call this?
	There's a certain type of agreement, they call it.
	Executive agreement or something.
	With another country, that company then has to give that information to the other country when requested.
	So we're just opening it all up.
	So now, face bag, if someone comes along and says, yeah, we don't like that curry here in Holland, give us all this information.
	Not only do they have to do it, but they're required to have it.
	Yeah, this is stupid.
	It's just a massive, it's like a surveillance stuff that's going on.
	It's Five Eyes.
	It's Five Eyes.
	Five Eyes expanding.
	Taking over all the social networks.
	In the meantime, Craigslist has turned off all the personal ads.
	There goes our hooker, our backup hooker list.
	Well...
	As somebody pointed out at the dinner table, when are the hookers going to go back into the regular scene where there's no personals and be under their house for sale?
	Wait a minute.
	Explain this gambit.
	Well, the gambit is you go into the regular camera for sale.
	You have a Nikon for sale.
	And then you use coded language.
	To indicate that you're a hooker.
	Which is the way it used to be done in the newspapers.
	The coded language, I think a lot of the good coded language, I think is lost.
	Because it wasn't necessary.
	Lost?
	I think it's lost.
	Oh, I thought that was the headline.
	Lost.
	Good man.
	Coded language for hookers.
	Well, in the UK, don't they still put their little flyers in the unused phone booths?
	I don't know.
	Maybe they'll put stuff on telephone poles with those little tabs you rip off at the bottom.
	Coupon.
	Coupon.
	Well, the travesty is that people don't realize that, gee, you really can put up a website on this thing called the internet.
	It's really not that hard.
	You don't necessarily need to use some service.
	You have an Amazon account.
	You can get an S3 bucket and you throw some crap in there with a.htm file and it'll work.
	It's not that hard.
	These days, but no.
	Yeah, but how do you get somebody to, how do you, you're a, okay, you're a hooker, let's say.
	That's obvious, yes.
	What are you going to do to get your business going?
	Because you need customers and you probably need, I don't know what.
	There's still no law against search engines.
	Search engines don't have to obfuscate this.
	So I think that you can certainly get some traction.
	So you can put, like, hookers in Austin in your search terms.
	Yeah.
	And you're going to get some hookers in Austin, you think?
	I think so, yeah.
	Well, maybe.
	But also, you know, how about a cooperative?
	Why don't the hookers get together and get hookers.com.org.io?
	I don't care.
	I think there is already a hookers.com.
	Right, but make it a co-op.
	So it doesn't have to be at anyone's expense.
	It can be reasonably anonymous.
	You know, there's a lot of stuff that...
	It can be done.
	We don't need these companies.
	You just don't.
	The internet, it comes into your house.
	And so does the hooker.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	That shut me up.
	Enough of that.
	So I'm watching CBS this morning and they had, instead of Dickerson being on there, Dickinson.
	Dickinson.
	He, they had one of the other guys who used to do the, somebody who seemed more happy.
	I can't remember his name, but he was doing the evening news before Jeff took the job over.
	But tell me, now there's a woman from Atlantic.
	She's like, I don't know, she looks like she's 25.
	She's probably in her early 30s.
	And she's going to give us all these briefings that everybody at the table knows about.
	So this looks like a scripted briefing.
	That was...
	They bring her on as a third party, so it's not just CBS. Let me understand when you say briefing.
	What does it look like she's doing on the show?
	I mean, is she just giving the headlines, or what is she doing?
	Yeah, no, no.
	It's not like they're doing any of that stuff.
	They brought a guest on.
	And they start asking her these scripted questions that resembles, if nothing else, it resembles a CIA briefing.
	Oh, okay.
	Now listen to it and tell me I'm wrong about this.
	This is a scripted brief.
	It's been another at the White House with trade tensions and more personnel changes, and here to discuss that is Elena Plott, a staff writer at The Atlantic.
	Elena, good morning.
	Hi, good morning.
	Well, let's start, we have a long list, but let's start with the $1.3 trillion spending bill, which the president called ridiculous, threatened to veto, but then signed.
	Is the Republican Party having a very difficult time coming up with a unified message here?
	Absolutely, and I think this spending bill in particular, you have conservatives like the Freedom Caucus wondering if they actually have an ally in the White House anymore.
	Mark Meadows, of course, the leader of the Freedom Caucus, the one who urged President Trump to veto this bill.
	And when he ultimately did it, they wonder if the whole drain-the-swap message is ultimately a farce.
	I'm curious about China and these tariffs and the pushback as well, which was a big focus this week.
	China's already announcing some counter-retaliatory efforts here.
	What do you think this means politically, and are we really headed towards a trade war?
	I think China's message was absolutely the most pertinent message we've heard yet in terms of getting one step closer to a trade war because it is China signaling that they know that these tariffs were intended to hit them.
	Trump, of course, unveiled the exempted countries, which was a pretty long list.
	Notably missing, of course, was China.
	So I think to wonder about a trade war is not at all overstating what these tariffs mean.
	Let's look at the West Wing here, because we've had a continuing shake-up, but the latest H.R. McMaster, National Security Advisor, out, John Bolton coming in.
	Does this signal an aggressive shift in foreign policy?
	Absolutely, because I think not only with John Bolton coming in, who is a human.
	It's almost like saying, tell me what the song is about.
	It's like, yeah, it's completely set up.
	It's completely scripted.
	Continuing shakeup, the latest H.R. McMaster, National Security Advisor out, John Bolton coming in.
	Does this signal an aggressive shift in foreign policy?
	Absolutely, because I think, you know, not only with John Bolton coming in, who was, of course, you know, a really prolific neocon with hawkish views on war, but you also have Secretary of State Rex Tillerson being replaced with Mike Pompeo, who's also quite a hawkish politician.
	So in terms of at least evincing an aggressive stance on war, I think that's absolutely a message this White House is sending.
	What do you think the president is trying to achieve with this overhaul of his staff?
	What I've been told by White House sources is that Trump is moving towards seeing the White House like he did at Trump Organization, where if one day he's unhappy with someone, he feels he retains the right just to let them go immediately and shake things up until he feels comfortable for however stretch of time he needs that to be.
	Unfortunately, though, there are political consequences to that, especially when we're talking about going into a summit with North Korea.
	If it looks as though our own cabinet, our own White House, is not politically stable week to week, that's not the best message to put forth.
	I think what you may be hearing is the agency talking point version of chaos.
	Maybe.
	I mean, she doesn't hesitate at any...
	All of this broad-range sweeping questions from this to that.
	Not a minuscule beat is missed.
	And she's on it.
	I mean, this is...
	I'm watching this with my jaws.
	Anthony Mason took the show over that day.
	I'm watching this.
	My jaw's dropping because it's like, first of all, this is some millennial.
	She didn't even have a wiki page that I can tell.
	And she's just like a freelancer over at the Atlantic.
	This is not some slouch, though.
	She's just bang, bang, bang.
	She knows everything.
	And why is she there?
	But this goes on, and this takes a good part of the show.
	I do have a part two, which continues this, and it's just, you can play, it's not as long.
	No, it's half the length.
	It's just like, what is, is this some new way of, CBS has plenty of people that can comment on stuff.
	So why are they bringing this woman from the Atlantic in and running this script?
	I just found it very peculiar.
	When you mention North Korea, you know, this announcement of John Bolton, if you're following social media, it was like the end of days for some people announcing that he's coming in.
	But do you really think there's no question there's going to be a more aggressive stance on North Korea and on Iran?
	I don't think it's no question necessarily.
	I think in the lead up to John Bolton's, you know, appointment over H.R. McMaster, he had been putting forth messages that he was open to more diplomatic talks with North Korea.
	A cynic might say that this was just his play to try to catch Trump's attention and get the position more quickly, but I don't think necessarily that it's completely without question that we're going to suddenly go into nuclear war with North Korea.
	What is her name again?
	I've got to look her up now.
	I believe it's Elena Platt.
	Why don't you play the beginning of the first clip and her name is...
	More obvious.
	Yes, Elena.
	Yeah, E-L-E-N-A-P-L-A-T-T. Yeah.
	Elena Platt.
	Let me just see what her background is.
	You won't find anything.
	Hmm.
	I mean, the way she does this is like, it's too slick.
	Hmm.
	I'm consulting the book of knowledge now.
	Well, I'll keep looking while the clip plays.
	As Reena mentioned, tomorrow the Stormy Daniels interview will air on 60 Minutes.
	This is a subject which so far the president really hasn't touched.
	Is it touching him is the question.
	I don't think so at all because I think what he realizes and what his aides are very careful to communicate to him is that this doesn't impact his base at all, right?
	There are very few Trump voters, Trump supporters, even those who are pretty tepid toward the president, who are actually surprised that Stormy Daniels is something we're talking about, you know, however you want to feel about that in terms of the health of our polity.
	It's not something that his base is going to take into consideration in midterm elections or even whether to re-elect him in 2020.
	Elena Flatt, thanks so much for being with us this morning.
	Thank you for having me.
	This woman is a ghost.
	Health of our polity, she says.
	What is that?
	Well, it means the health of the political...
	System?
	The elites?
	The Illuminati?
	I don't know.
	Well, whatever the case...
	Yeah, she's...
	So she comes on and she does this and it's so slick.
	She can answer anything.
	And she does it, click, click, click.
	It's just like, I'm just looking.
	Now, is this representing what the CIA is trying to tell us?
	But who is this woman?
	She's unfindable.
	Hmm.
	Well, she's at the Atlantic.
	That's where she's working.
	Right.
	But there's no bio.
	There's no nothing.
	No nothing.
	Yeah.
	And so why is she all of a sudden?
	They don't just bring nobody's on.
	Front stage and center.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So what was the message here then?
	Let's just presume it was a message.
	I got out of it.
	Well, I thought the message was things aren't going to be that bad with Bolton, which is the big story in Washington.
	They got rid of McMaster because I don't think he ever got along with Trump and he was a blowhard.
	So they brought in the other blowhard, which is Bolton, and they're trying to soften the blow.
	Maybe Bolton's in there for a reason.
	Maybe he's representing something.
	If you play the Bolton chief of...
	Bolton's chief of staff, an ex-spook, comes on with...
	What's his name?
	The guy on the Fox Business.
	I can't remember.
	I'm going to hear him talk.
	You'll hear his name.
	He seemed like he was drunk.
	Anyway, he comes on and starts talking of Bolton, and I got two clips from this guy.
	First, he talks of Bolton, and then he goes on a rant about Brennan, which I thought was pretty funny.
	But let's hear this guy out.
	Our first guest tonight was Ambassador Bolton's Chief of Staff during his time as Ambassador to the United Nations.
	Fred Flights joins us tonight.
	Fred, good to have you with us.
	Good to be here, Lou.
	This is, as a friend of mine put it, a great day for the America and as well for the president.
	It is a great day.
	John Bolton is a friend.
	I supported him as an intelligence officer on two occasions.
	I was actually his chief of staff when he was undersecretary of state for arms control.
	And I can tell you he has a brilliant strategic mind.
	He is fully supportive of the president's agenda, but he is not a yes man.
	He will give the president his frank advice.
	But you know what, Lou?
	That advice is not going to leak to the press.
	He understands the government bureaucracy, which is why the left hates him so much.
	But most important, Lou, he's a nice guy.
	Lou Dobbs.
	Lou Dobbs.
	Who sounded a little under the weather.
	Quote.
	Air quotes.
	And so this guy comes on.
	He goes on and on and on.
	He's extolling the virtues of...
	Nice guy.
	He's a nice guy.
	He's a nice guy.
	Nice guy.
	I heard he was a prick, but...
	Nice guy.
	Nice guy.
	Now, later in the interview, though, this guy, this spook, goes off on Brennan.
	Which I think is kind of interesting because of the stuff he says.
	And there's also implications that McMaster was a leaker and people used the media to get their way within these offices.
	And Trump has to keep firing them left and right.
	Yeah, and he needs TV people.
	He needs TV guys and gals.
	Right, and Bolton's done lots of TVs and analysts.
	Oh, I just had a fantastic idea.
	The best hire would be Maria Bartiromo.
	I don't care what you hire her for.
	Bring in the money, honey.
	It wouldn't be a bad idea.
	So let's listen to his John Brennan rant, though, because it's amusing.
	Everyone is trying to put this on the president.
	The people who are leaking, the people who are disloyal, egregiously disloyal, leaking national security secrets.
	This has to stop.
	And I think John Brennan is an example of exactly the kind of person who...
	Think about this.
	John Brennan, the former CIA director, is leaking every day.
	Still, this is a man...
	I just can't even imagine a more contemptible human being, frankly, in government service unless it's Comey, unless it's Clapper, because they have created a politicized intelligence organization that is continuing to operate post their service to the country.
	You know, and it's not just the leaks.
	It's these vicious attacks by John Brennan against President Trump that have been constant, have been constant.
	Every time he opens his mouth, he confirms the worst assumptions by CIA's critics that it is thoroughly politicized and out to undermine the president.
	I can tell you, most intelligence officers are not political.
	Many of them are heroes who risk their lives to protect our security.
	But John Brennan is debasing Everything that they do.
	I want John Brennan to shut up and go away.
	Yeah, and he's the head pencil pusher is how he's considered.
	Pencil pushers, all of them.
	Well, we have to remember that John Brennan is now an MSNBC analyst.
	Yeah, paid NBC news contributor.
	Yeah.
	To be specific.
	Yeah, NBC has got something going on.
	Yeah, and CBS has gone quiet.
	CBS has gone neutral, which is what we heard with that scripted bit.
	Everything was neutral, if you think about what she said.
	This mystery woman.
	She is a mystery.
	I've been looking.
	She's a ghost.
	I'll have to open up LinkedIn and see if I can find her in there.
	You're bringing out the big guns.
	Yeah, so then ABC is still a little bit anti-Trump, but CBS has really gone neutral, and it just makes it difficult.
	I mean, I do get clips from them on occasion, but it's like there's nothing good that I can deconstruct and say, oh, these guys are crazy.
	Well, I got some lighthearted stuff we can deconstruct.
	Okay.
	Very light-hearted.
	Kimmel, actually, Jimmy Kimmel, famous talk show host, kind of showed his colors when he had Roseanne on.
	Roseanne Barr and John Goodman, of course, they have the Roseanne show coming back after 20 years.
	I believe it's an ABC show, so he had to do it.
	So, you know, you've probably heard about this, what Roseanne said.
	I clipped a little bit of it.
	But there's something Kimmel says here that I thought was encouraging.
	And this is why I hit play and it didn't work.
	Here we go.
	Yeah, and in real life.
	And in real life.
	It's like everybody's family is pissed off at each other for one thing or the other.
	Is your family mad at you?
	Well, you know, we had some pro-Hillaries and some pro-Trump.
	Right.
	And there was a lot of fighting.
	Dan's character is not...
	Did you?
	Did you agree with her foreign policy?
	Listen, never mind her foreign policy.
	How about Captain Wacko we got running the country here?
	I mean, foreign policy.
	I'm shocked, because I know you were a very liberal, socially liberal person in general.
	I'm still the same.
	You all moved.
	We did?
	You all went so far out, you lost everybody.
	I mean, seriously.
	You're probably right, by the way.
	A lot of your audience...
	I like that he said that.
	You're probably right, by the way.
	I don't know if that was just filler.
	No, I saw the video.
	I think he really meant it.
	Well, maybe.
	He's definitely off the deep end.
	But also, she's identifying dementia, dementia B. She's like, you guys moved out over there.
	That's what she's saying to him.
	You all went so f***ing far out, you lost everybody.
	I mean, seriously, a lot of your audience, and including me, I just want to say this, Jimmy, a lot of us, you know, no matter who we voted for, we don't want to see our president fail.
	Right.
	You know?
	Right.
	A smattering of applause.
	And yet we've seen it f***ing over again.
	You want pants?
	You want pants for the friggin' president?
	No, I don't want pants.
	Well, then zip that f*** away.
	So, where we have identified the discrediting of Pence many times in the mainstream, specifically on ABC, with the view, Pence is crazy, he has a mental condition, he hears the Lord speaks back to him, Obama, Roborosa, We say, oh, you don't want Pence.
	That guy's the real nutjob.
	And here is ABC again in the form of Roseanne.
	Say, oh, you don't want Pence, do you?
	Which is, I think we've deconstructed to mean, A, you don't really want to impeach Trump.
	But you certainly just don't want to do anything with this guy at all.
	And we don't want him running against us.
	It's up to us to make this government work, no matter who's president.
	It's up to us to do our jobs as citizens.
	And if we don't like something, you know, let them know you don't like it.
	And then you've got another election in two years.
	Get out there and ball.
	Change it if you don't like it.
	That's very good.
	I mean, you can't argue with that.
	I'm interested to see if the Roseanne Show will do anything in bringing Americans back together under the one United States.
	That's why it's called the United States.
	That's right.
	Now, the second light-hearted, well, not really light-hearted clip, I was home, Tina went up to College Station Wednesday night, so I was home Wednesday night, or Thursday, Thursday, I'm sorry, and so she wasn't here, and so, you know, I'm just going to watch Pooper, and I'm watching Pooper and he has an hour-long special with Karen McDougal and it's kind of irrelevant as to why she's in the news other than, oh, she slept with Trump too.
	But this interview, you should really look at it on the YouTubes or CNN.com, I'm sure has it on the homepage.
	You know the saying, when they go low, we go high?
	I mean, it's completely irrelevant from any political perspective to do this, but he's putting this woman on the spot and he's asking things like this.
	No, no regrets except the fact that he was married.
	If Melania Trump was watching this, what would you want her to know?
	I mean, that's the kind of question you ask of someone who killed somebody, you know?
	It's like, this is horrible.
	You're asking a woman who had an affair with a married man who cheated on his wife, what would you want to say to her?
	I mean, this is low scumball shit.
	It's really embarrassing for Anderson Cooper.
	He should be deeply ashamed of himself.
	It's a tough one.
	More say to her.
	Yeah, what can you say except, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I wouldn't want it done to me.
	I'm sorry.
	I was like, oh, what a dramatic...
	And the panel was all, oh, this is so deep, emotional, and so really impactful, half of which has cheated on their own spouses with their co-workers, including you, Dana Bash.
	Ugh.
	Really, CNN, that was the lowest thing I've ever seen.
	You know, this guy's a dick.
	He cheated on his wife.
	We got it.
	It's like, now you're just grasping it.
	Go back to the Russia story, please.
	They're just grasping at straws, anything they can find.
	And I think Roseanne made a good point.
	Because the idea that do we want this president to succeed was the theme in 2008, 2009 when Obama got in.
	Because, well, you're just going to hate on Obama or do you want this president to succeed?
	Oh, Rush Limbaugh doesn't want the president to succeed.
	And then he'd come back, no, I do.
	We all want the president to succeed.
	These guys, no.
	Now it's the shoes on the other foot.
	They don't want him to succeed.
	They want to impeach him.
	Yeah.
	Oh, well, maybe we can't do that because then Pence would get in.
	God, this guy's a lunatic.
	Even though I've seen no – we did a deconstruction of Pence before, and I see no evidence that Pence is anything but just kind of a quiet, nice guy.
	Yeah.
	He's not out there.
	I don't see him wearing a big cross.
	But he also wants to send gays to readjustment camp, or whatever the hell it's called.
	Which he never did.
	Which he also never...
	In fact, he put in a bill to stop it, to make sure that would never happen.
	He's misrepresented by the media as some sort of a screwball when he's just a pretty common middle-of-the-road character.
	I personally...
	Don't like the idea of him being in...
	If they got rid of Trump, let's say...
	Here's the dilemma they've got, and they know it.
	And of course, my basic thesis is nobody really wants to get rid of Trump.
	They want to keep him there as a whipping boy so they get more people to vote Democratic.
	That includes in 2020.
	Correct.
	That's a hedge.
	It's a hedge.
	It's a hedge for 2020.
	They've got to make sure Pence is not in the picture.
	He'll win again in 2020, which will be a huge disappointment.
	He'll probably take a lot of Republicans in with him.
	But let's say that they actually got their way...
	Although it's almost an impossibility and got Trump impeached.
	They could get him to resign.
	But if they do it after the 2018 election, then the potential for Pence being the president extends to a decade.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Because he'd be in for the last two years of Trump and then he would get elected as president and then you can get re-elected one more time based on the way the law is written.
	So far as only being president for two terms.
	Right.
	Because he would never make the third term.
	He would just be a hangover.
	And that potential exists.
	And I don't think the Democrats want 10 years of Republicans in the presidency.
	No.
	And that's what they're going to end up with.
	Put it in the book.
	It's been in the book.
	I said this years ago.
	We haven't checked in the book recently, that's all.
	Yeah, we don't check the book that much.
	I don't really have anything else.
	What I do have, which is up to you, just because we ran the story of the gas the Jews, Heil Hitler dog, the cute pug dog.
	Jonathan Pye, the comedian fake news reader, did an outstanding no agenda type bit on it.
	It's long, it's four minutes.
	It's too long.
	It's too long, yeah.
	I can play a little bit of it and stop it?
	I mean, I have a long clip, but it's a little more meaningful.
	Hey, wait a minute.
	Cheap laughs, remember?
	Is it funny?
	Is it going to crack me up?
	No.
	No, let me just tell you the premise.
	He stands as a fake news reporter, reports on the real news that this guy who did this YouTube video is facing jail time by the Scottish court.
	And he expands on what the judge determined that context does not matter when it comes to hate speech.
	And he kind of goes off on how wrong that is.
	Let me play a little bit of it, and then when you're tired of it, just raise your hand without talking.
	I'm here outside Airdrie Sheriff Court, where earlier this week, YouTube comedian Marcus Meekin, otherwise known as Count Dankula, was convicted of making a grossly offensive video.
	In the video, he taught his girlfriend's pug dog to do a Nazi salute whilst he repeated the phrase, gas the Jews.
	Count Dankula is due to be sentenced in April.
	Right, Tim, I want to talk about this.
	Right, okay.
	So some people found this offensive, understandable.
	Some people found it funny.
	The video got shared three million times on YouTube with lots of inane comments like LOL underneath.
	Okay, so clearly some people found it funny.
	What's that tell you, Tim?
	It tells you that both offence and humour are subjective.
	Either way, it was a fucking joke, you cunts!
	And he might go to prison, okay?
	He was convicted because the judge believed he was inciting racial hatred.
	It's a fucking pug dog!
	He was mocking Nazis!
	I'll tell you where else in history you'd be convicted of a crime for teaching your dog to mock Nazis.
	Nazi fucking Germany!
	You'd have had the fucking Gestapo kicking your fucking door in!
	The fucking EDL isn't watching the video of a Nazi pug dog going, yeah, that portrays us in a good light.
	Find me one neo-Nazi who is using that YouTube clip as a recruiting tool.
	It's a pug mimicking their glorious leader.
	So, yes, it is offensive if you're a fucking Nazi!
	Okay.
	I knew you wouldn't like it.
	I knew you wouldn't like it.
	Well, I mean, the guy...
	What is the point of being so profane that you have to use...
	I didn't realize how much he used the F word.
	And the C word in the UK is different.
	Yeah, but that's beside the point.
	I mean, he's just...
	It's like Lionel from RT going on his various rants with just unnecessary...
	Unnecessary.
	Profanity.
	Yeah, that's the worst part.
	There's no reason to put his sentence structure together like that.
	It loses impact and it makes you cringe.
	What's interesting is we are actually censoring a piece of audio that is about censorship.
	This is just beautiful meta.
	Well, I'm not censoring it because...
	I'm not censoring it at all.
	I'm just complaining about it.
	And I thought his point is...
	He just made his point, and he goes on for another three minutes, making the point over and over and over again.
	And it wasn't funny.
	I told you you wouldn't laugh at it.
	The point he makes in the rest of it is that when you have a judge determining what is hate speech and saying context is irrelevant...
	He says it's very dangerous, and what he does, and really I wanted you to hear this because in it he says, how about Ricky Gervais?
	And I know you just saw the most recent special, which I thought was outstanding.
	I laughed my ass off.
	Well, the thing about the Ricky Gervais special was the unbelievable comic timing.
	He's very good.
	I mean, the jokes were what they were.
	I mean, the Ricky Gervais material is pretty, I don't know, it's not that, it's not funny per se.
	But his comic timing and his ability to do callbacks at a moment when it's perfect.
	He hasn't done stand-up for seven years and he can do this?
	I was stunned by this special.
	And by the way, I get your point about the other guy, but I also have to give you kudos because you did recommend something for me to watch, which I have to say was one of the finest pieces I've ever watched.
	It's kind of a tearjerker, but it was this 42...
	Oh, 42 grams.
	42 grams is one of the great little documentaries I've ever seen.
	It just nails...
	A kind of a lifestyle, a kind of a nutty guy.
	It's just a great work of art by the documentarian.
	I'll give you max kudos for recommending that because it was really a great little thing to watch.
	It's on Netflix.
	Well...
	Ending on a high note of you praising me.
	Yes.
	That's the best way to end the show.
	All right, everybody.
	All of the clips, of course, are available in our show notes, nasownotes.com.
	Go take a look at the Jonathan Pye thing and anything else you're interested in.
	We've got the Cloud Act in there.
	We keep our show notes up to date.
	Use it as a resource.
	And you can Bing it, bingit.io.
	Keep your eyes peeled.
	It is a show day.
	You never know what will happen.
	And remember us for our show on Thursday at dvorak.org slash na.
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