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	In Brazil, American sperm demand has skyrocketed.
	Adam Couric, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, March 28th, 2018.
	This is your award-winning Gimbo Nation media assassination episode 1020.
	This is No Agenda.
	Sick and tired of stormy Russia, Mueller collusion, Trump, Trump, Trump, Russia, Russia, Russia, and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone, Star State here in downtown Austin, Texas, in the studio, in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I'm cleaning the house and finding all sorts of weird stuff, I'm John C. Black.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill.
	In the morning.
	Oh, do tell.
	What have you found?
	I love it when you find stuff.
	There's stuff from World War I in your pile.
	We're redoing one of the rooms completely.
	No, no, no.
	You're wrong.
	Mimi is redoing one of the rooms completely.
	Actually, you're wrong.
	She told me she was doing it.
	It's Mimi and Jay.
	Don't listen to the bull crap.
	And Jay's over here doing most of the work.
	I enjoy talking to Mimi.
	She always tells me all kinds of stuff about you.
	Oh yeah, does she?
	Yes, she does.
	For instance, I'll give you an example.
	She's like, you know, when John does this crap to you, she says, that's exactly the way he talks to me.
	And I said, ah, but I only have to listen to it six hours a week.
	She said, that's about all I get, too.
	Yeah, okay.
	Just kidding.
	Now, so we have this giant sideboard, a big British piece of furniture that I picked up years and years ago when England was sending all their...
	Actually, pretty cool stuff in giant cargo containers and kind of drain...
	It is in the 70s.
	Draining the country of all this good stuff.
	And so you could buy, like...
	A sideboard like this is probably...
	I could probably dump it for like...
	What is a sideboard?
	Not everybody knows what a sideboard is.
	It's a big giant piece of furniture that's...
	It's called a sideboard because it's used for like...
	It's usually in the dining room.
	It's on the side and you can put dishes and stuff on it.
	But anyway, this thing...
	It's probably worth about two grand, but you can buy it for a hundred.
	And you can buy pub chairs for like nothing.
	There's all this cool stuff.
	So the sideboard says it's never really useful.
	Wait a minute, so that was your find?
	The pile is so gigantic that once you start to clean it, oh, there's this whole sideboard.
	No, no, no.
	I'm just saying it was the sideboard.
	You got off the tangent.
	The sideboard's filled with stuff.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm confused.
	So there's a bunch of stuff in there, and every time something comes in, some of it will just get stuffed into the sideboard and never looked at again for decades.
	So I found there's a box, a little box I had, I think I started this collection when I was a kid or something.
	And it has all kinds of cool stuff like the original, of all things, the California Zephyr brochure from the original train.
	Wow!
	What a find!
	An Oakland Oaks thing, you know, those things you buy at the stadium where you go to a baseball game, stuff like that.
	Crazy cards, baseball cards.
	Anyway, I'm going to scan all this stuff in and send it to, put it online and get it out, so it's at least in the public domain.
	I was going to say that if this podcast thing doesn't work out for us, you can always work on Pawn Stars.
	I could become a little pawn shop.
	Perfect.
	No, have you ever seen the show Pawn Stars?
	Of course.
	I love that show.
	You would be perfect on it.
	Hey.
	Look what I found.
	Yeah, I need to grow a little goatee.
	Yeah, you got to tell the whole story about the sideboard.
	I got to take the t-shirts off like this.
	Just show some skin.
	A programming note, more ways than one programming as in technology.
	Episode 1019 was blamed for a lot of crashes on iPhone podcast apps.
	Yeah, I noticed this.
	There's people bitching and moaning on Twitter.
	Yeah, a lot of people bitching and moaning and saying, well, redo it!
	Upload it!
	And this is an Apple podcast app problem, and I don't know if our title had anything to do with it, which was hashtag delete the bag.
	Maybe it's because I misspelled it initially.
	Oh, it's the hashtag.
	I don't think so.
	Because it's happening to other podcasts as well, and it seems very random.
	So there's something that happens, and I'm sure it probably is some double-biting code.
	Hashtag and then delete probably meant it was given a command.
	Apple's going, oh, hashtag delete, time to do it.
	Although you'd think a hashtag would be a comment in any code, so it should be ignored, but I don't know.
	But I did just want to say that that was, you know, I did not recompress, redo, do anything different, and I just left it as it is, because once you start to mess with the RSS feed, you have no idea what happens then.
	Besides doubling our bandwidth bill automatically.
	Yeah, that's no good.
	Um...
	Yeah, you know, every once in a while we get stuck because we do something like, I bet you that the only anomaly in that is the hashtag.
	That hashtag, what it probably did, it was meant, it was used as comment, and so the whole thing was commented out.
	I hadn't thought about that.
	That's possible.
	But, oh gee, that is very possible actually.
	Strange and dumb.
	Impossible.
	But these other shows that had this problem, they didn't have any hashtags in their titles.
	No, but we've had other problems for other things like using a semicolon.
	Right.
	Or various grammatical things will cause this issue because of things so hypersensitive.
	We have to remember to only stay with, you know, alphanumeric.
	Simple stuff.
	Simple alphanumeric.
	No characters.
	Yeah, 1970s stuff.
	Let's not get all fancy on Apple's ass now.
	That would be bad.
	And I hate to say it, but anybody who listened to this show in November and last Sunday's show, which is the obvious catalyst for Tesla's stock falling apart, it went to the 250s.
	You recall that we discussed this.
	Well, and somebody came out with an assertion that they're going to be bankrupt in four months.
	That didn't help.
	It was a hedge fund guy.
	Zero hedge.
	He's one of these guys.
	No, it was a real guy, a real hedge fund guy.
	Oh, but it was reported on Zero, was it?
	Yeah, it was.
	Okay.
	Well, this guy says, hey, you know, I see it.
	But these guys are doing that to try to slam stocks.
	The guy was in a short position, I'm sure, when he said that.
	At the same time, I talked about my experience.
	With the Tesla and the auto steer or autopilot.
	You're the one who sunk it.
	Yes, I'm telling you, I am directly responsible.
	And, of course, we had another crash, an Apple employee whose Tesla X crashed into the barrier, which, if you recall, is exactly what I said was dangerous, that twice on my trip to Bryan College Station, it veered off to the left because it was trying to follow some line that was unclear to it.
	You remember I said this?
	This is a local story.
	I don't have a clip.
	I have a clip.
	I have a clip.
	ABC7 News captured exclusive video today of investigators from the CHP's Multidisciplinary Accident Investigation Team and National Transportation Safety Board at a San Mateo tow yard inspecting the wreckage of the Tesla Model X involved in that fatal crash on Southbound 101 Friday.
	I also spoke and texted with Walter Wong's brother Will today.
	He confirmed Walter was on the way to work at Apple when he died.
	He also makes a startling claim that before the crash, Walter complained seven to ten times the car would swivel toward that same exact barrier during autopilot.
	So he reported this...
	This is what I reported as well, this swerving to the left, a barrier that was going to wreck the car and my life, and he reported it.
	Walter took it into dealership addressing the issue, but they couldn't duplicate it there.
	The family's telling me that they provided an invoice to investigators that the victim took the car in because it kept veering to that exact same barrier.
	How important is that information?
	That information has been received by the CHP. They've been acting on it for some time now.
	In a blog post, Tesla says, our data shows that Tesla owners have driven the same stretch of highway with autopilot engaged roughly 85,000 times.
	This was interesting to me.
	So Tesla is actively tracking and storing your trip information.
	Otherwise, how could they come up with this data?
	A couple of things.
	This is a local story, so we had a lot of coverage.
	Let me finish it, and I want to hear your thoughts.
	Since autopilot was first rolled out in 2015, there were over 200 successful autopilot trips per day on this exact stretch of road.
	With CHP confirming tonight, another crash did happen at that spot 11 days earlier.
	Tesla also posted these photos that raise another important question.
	The show was called a crash attenuator or safety barrier in the proper condition and the way it was the day before Walter Wong's crash collapsed after a different accident.
	Will Wong texted me, that ultimately should have saved my brother's life.
	We've seen videos of similar crash with cushion and the driver walked out of it unharmed.
	His friends are raising money for Walter's wife and kids to help handle the expenses of the funeral and life after his death.
	So anyway, I take away from that that, yes, the Tesla veers off.
	Yes, you can go ahead and blame it on the California roads.
	And, yeah, they're tracking everybody.
	Well, I don't blame it for the last thing.
	That particular, I've been on that road.
	I know where that is.
	I know what they're talking about.
	And I know what the local complaints were when guys came out and discussed it.
	That road, even if you have two eyes and you're aware of what's going on, is extremely tough to navigate because there's old lines painted on the freeway that go right into the barrier.
	Yeah, so there you go.
	That's exactly what happened.
	That's exactly what happened.
	The fact that they said there's eight, I don't know how many, supposedly two or three hundred a day go by there, that doesn't mean they're in that lane.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's a good point, too.
	They never say what lane they were in.
	They could have been in any of the lanes.
	And if you're in that fast lane on that part of the road, that's when you get into trouble.
	And I don't know, maybe 11 days ago, something else happened very similar.
	And it's just a mess.
	The California road, for anybody to be on autopilot on the 101 in that area...
	Has signed a death warrant.
	Well, it's like you.
	You had your hands on the wheel, and you're supposed to have your hands on the wheel.
	Yeah.
	So if the thing starts turning into the barrier, wouldn't you like react to that?
	It seems to me.
	Yes, I do.
	And maybe they're talking about all those people who got through it safely is because they had their hands on the wheel.
	They knew that part of the freeway was screwy and you had to be very aware and they pull it through by manually.
	Nobody knows about it.
	Do they record every time you nudge the wheel?
	I bet they do.
	I bet they have all that.
	I bet they do.
	Maybe they do, but they're not saying anything.
	But you would go through there, you'd be holding the wheel, you'd be letting it on autopilot, and when it veered, you'd pull it back and you'd be good, and you'd go right through it.
	But this guy was probably sleeping.
	But you said you were okay with them tracking every car?
	Yeah.
	I'm not.
	I am.
	I'm fine with it because they're going to have all this auto stuff going on.
	They need to get as much data as they can, so they should be tracking the car.
	I don't think they're doing it to spy on people.
	I mean, that's the long-term problem.
	I agree.
	And I don't like being tracked at all.
	I don't carry a phone.
	And I don't have GPS stuff.
	Well, I do have it.
	I don't really have GPS stuff that signals back that I know of in my car.
	But I don't have a problem with Tesla tracking all these.
	And most of these people probably like to be tracked.
	I don't know.
	Well, regardless...
	We've gone too fast with this.
	I've said it from day one.
	This is dumb.
	You're going to let a bunch of algos determine.
	No, no, no.
	You never said it from day one.
	You were a huge fan of this car.
	I'm going to get the clip.
	Let's stop arguing about it.
	I'll get the clip where I say exactly the problems I felt with it.
	I was a fan of it, but I noted a whole bunch of problems.
	A whole bunch of problems.
	It's okay.
	I'm not backpedaling or anything.
	I'm just saying that This trust of algorithms.
	Here, I got a report from Arizona where the autonomous car killed the homeless lady.
	And I'm pretty sure that they're just tweaking algos and testing stuff, which is what the whole purpose is.
	Now that you heard about the corruption, the governor's involved...
	Go ahead.
	I want to hear.
	First, we'll play the clip.
	In the fall, I drove in one of these Uber vehicles right in the same area where this fatal accident occurred.
	It was a little bit different than the Waymo car.
	It was jerkier, if I can say that.
	It just tended to be much more conservative and sort of pump the brakes really hard every time anything threatened to come into its lane.
	I'll share with you that it was sort of surprising to me because our driver, our operator rather, while he was taking us around in this Uber car, he mentioned how many people jaywalk on Mill Avenue.
	So down near Arizona State University, there's lots of bars and restaurants and sometimes people carelessly walk into the street.
	And then where this accident occurred, there's a large park and people will cross Mill Avenue to get to different parts of the park.
	The driver said that the cars behave very well here, that the sensors that they have on the car will sense a pedestrian who's going to jaywalk, even in the dark, and their cars would slam on the brakes.
	And so they're saying sometimes they're driving at night on Mill Avenue here, and their car slams on the brakes, and they think it's having a problem, and then a pedestrian or a bicyclist will come out of the bushes or out of the desert area there in front of them.
	And they mentioned how many times they'd been, quote, saved by the autonomous features, but that appears to be what failed last night.
	I think they were working on the algos.
	Changing stuff.
	Oh, this is not a smooth ride.
	It's too jerky when these idiot homeless people come out of the bushes.
	We've got to disengage that part.
	I've had mixed feelings about the whole technology from the beginning.
	At the very beginning, when Google was doing their little car tricks, and they had this superstar guy who I think quit and went to work for somebody else.
	It's like a German guy.
	Was really behind the whole thing.
	And he was giving...
	I heard a lecture from him at some sort of a gathering that took place at Autodesk.
	And he had all these...
	He had a lot of interesting things to say, including...
	And looking back on it, I realized that some of his little sidebars were probably the reason any of this is going on besides saving lives.
	And I was all in on this, and I thought that...
	The early days of this, you had Ford, who was totally against, by the way, all these big car companies, totally against this idea because they thought it ruined the driving experience, which is the most important thing, the way they saw things, even though they obviously have no millennials in their family and who don't seem to care about the driving experience because the car culture is dead.
	Yes, it is.
	Who cares about the freedom of an automobile powered by petrol?
	Okay.
	Nobody cares.
	No one cares.
	They just as soon have Uber and they're good to go.
	And so Ford was against this.
	And then, of course, they're all in on it now because it's gotten so much momentum.
	But during this period, I was at something, another gathering with Ford.
	Ford did.
	And at the event, Ford had hired this guy from the University of California professor.
	Who poo-pooed the whole driverless car thing.
	He says, this is decades, decades away, decades.
	And I... And I still have his card somewhere.
	I should call him.
	But he thought the whole thing was going way too fast.
	It was way ahead of a sudden.
	This was early.
	And it was never going to happen the way everyone thought.
	And I said, well, I'm like the big shot because I'm following it.
	Well, it seems like I didn't know what he's talking about, and I was all in.
	And then I realized that I'd forgotten the old 99-1 rule or 95-5, whatever you want to call it, which is, you know, technology to move to a spot where it's headed.
	It's like gets there pretty quickly, 99 points toward the end.
	You mean this is the 95-5 bandwidth rule or what are you talking about?
	No, it's just like where everything gets there.
	The hardest part is that last 5% or that last 1%.
	The thing that really, you know, there's a little, it's like with optical character recognition.
	It's never really quite gotten, it just can't get past it.
	Or speech recognition, or facial recognition, or any of the recognition technologies.
	Nothing is really that good.
	No, because they can't get past that little couple percent at the end.
	It's the hump.
	And so I just kind of forgot that that was kind of in play.
	And so I don't know where it was, but I flipped on the whole thing, thinking the guy from Cal was an idiot, and this was going to happen faster than anyone could imagine, and it had all these implications for society, and it was going to be very interesting.
	And we're talking about, no, I'm not convinced, especially with some of the stuff going on with these games that are being played at the high end.
	Yeah, tell me about this.
	What's going on?
	Well, there's a lot of these competitions out there that aren't getting any publicity.
	JC follows all this stuff, Buzzkill Jr., where there's competitions about tricking AI systems.
	Oh, yeah, so you have them go in circles and do stuff like that.
	No, it turns out there's a couple.
	Some of this has been documented.
	For example, on a stop sign, if you put a black square sticker over the T, and then another little round thing someplace else...
	A lot of the systems, and since they're all using the same software, most of the systems will see that stop sign, apparently, as speed limit 45.
	Vroom, vroom, baby!
	It makes no sense.
	That is true.
	I noticed that in Tesla, when you drive past the speed limit sign, it immediately flashes.
	It reads it.
	It reads the speed limit sign.
	Yeah.
	There's your optical character recognition problem, the last 5%.
	So you end up with these, and it's worse than anyone can imagine if you start looking into the research.
	They can't make this stuff work.
	And it is like, it won't take, and my thinking now, and I always have to consider this, and I thought about this earlier, about the vandalism that'll take place when truckers are kicked out of their jobs and these auto trucks, these trucks that drive themselves, go into play, because vandals, We're going to, you know, flatten a tire, put up a sign, a weird sign with a face on it that confuses the truck, makes it roll over.
	I mean, there's too much, too many of these little variables and there's too many vandals, people who like to make trouble.
	And the research is out there and all you have to do is follow the research and you can find ways to screw up these cars.
	I don't think that's going away anytime soon.
	Well, Moody downgraded Tesla's credit rating.
	That will hurt.
	These guys are built on debt and a lot of government debt.
	A lot of government gifts.
	Yeah.
	No, it's a problem for them.
	And I think that they jumped way too far ahead with this autopilot.
	No one even talked about it.
	It just showed up.
	The emperor has no clothes is what I'm thinking.
	And if someone will take a picture after pulling that rug off of Elon Musk's head, then it will really be the emperor has no clothes.
	Someone pointed that out to me.
	I'd never really noticed.
	He's wearing a toupee.
	I never noticed that either, but now that I'm visualizing it, you might be right.
	Yeah.
	And I checked it with the keeper.
	You know, chicks know this stuff.
	She said, the bad one, she said.
	I'm like, why didn't you ever tell me this before?
	I didn't know that.
	By the way, the chicks, as you put it.
	I would never use such a term.
	But as you put it, they never tell us this stuff because they actually think it's so obvious that we should notice.
	Yeah, chicks of the world.
	Make sure you tell your dudes what's going on.
	Yeah, they're dumb.
	We're dumb.
	We've got to know this stuff.
	Tell your dumb dude.
	Hey, the guy's wearing a wig.
	Hours of content.
	That would be a great photo.
	Well, you can Photoshop him bald.
	I can do that.
	I bet he looks completely not like a superhero.
	I think it would ruin his entire image.
	He's either got a dome or he's got this scraggly-looking mess.
	He's got the pattern baldness that's really bad with a tuft in the front and then bald on the top.
	Oh, man.
	That kind of look.
	Someone's posting a link.
	Apparently, there's a...
	Let me see what this is.
	Oh, celebhairtransplants.com.
	Now, there's a website I can get into.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, of course.
	If you look for this picture, I've seen this picture.
	Now I think about it.
	It's Musk back in the PayPal days.
	He's standing next to a monitor, which looks like it was probably hooked up to one of those early IBM machines.
	And he's already practically bald right there.
	Okay.
	So, yeah.
	That's a rug.
	Nice.
	All right.
	Well, what are you going to do?
	Nothing.
	But I don't know what happens if the company does go under and they take it probably.
	The guy is no slouch at doing refinancing and jiggering and raising money.
	I mean, got the company started by selling that little sports car years before it was built.
	Mm-hmm.
	So he can probably get through it, but if he doesn't, or he just says hell with it, which is possible because he might have more consistent income from SpaceX, what happens to all these people who own these Teslas and they need them serviced?
	Nobody's going to service one of these things.
	Those things are like an electric bomb.
	Well, you told me about the electric cars in Israel, and one of our knights there sent us, and I remember he had blogged this before, wrote a whole, I put it in the show notes, because he got the car, and it was connected to A Better Place, was the name of it, and that's where you got your battery changed, and they went out of business.
	Yeah.
	Oops.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I got that note, too.
	Yeah, they went out of business, and if you start to think about it, Having entire undercarriages as a way of refilling, as opposed to a gas station where it's a tank, there's a bunch of liquid in this tank, and a big tanker comes by and fills it up once in a while.
	Well, there's another issue.
	It's easier to distribute than it is to distribute giant undercarriages.
	I was talking to Taxi Eric the other day, our guy in Amsterdam, who almost killed you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He almost killed himself, probably.
	So he says there's a big protest going on, which will take to the streets eventually, amongst the Amsterdam taxi drivers.
	As of 2020, only battery car taxis will be allowed in Amsterdam.
	No, only electric.
	And so Uber is a big favorite of these cabs.
	And I'm not quite sure why, other than you're pretty much guaranteed a good parking spot in Amsterdam if you have an electric vehicle.
	And, you know, obviously the U.S. subsidies help it.
	Comparably speaking, I guess it's something that would make sense for a cab.
	A Mercedes may cost the same or a little bit more.
	So they're thinking, all right, well, if I can charge cheaply, etc., But they're protesting because a lot of guys don't want to get a battery car, especially not the Tesla, because they say we're basically being radiated all day by the battery, and we're all going to be impotent.
	There's all kinds of stories like that.
	Oh, I haven't heard that one.
	Yeah.
	Well, you are.
	You're sitting right over the battery.
	God knows what's going on.
	You are sitting on a field.
	Yeah, God knows what's going on there.
	They certainly don't.
	They're worried about it.
	So, the backlash will be interesting.
	And, you know, what happens if there's a power outage?
	There's no cabs in Amsterdam.
	Done.
	Walk, slave.
	They can just, you know, done.
	Gas cars to the rescue.
	Meanwhile, we have actual issues going on that the news is not covering.
	Not that the news is covering this very much, other than fiery crash, fiery crash.
	Not to this depth.
	But we've had some interesting cyber attacks.
	The city of Atlanta is also dealing with a major cyber attack.
	Hackers froze computer systems and demanded payment.
	And in a tweet, the city said the attack caused outages on various customer-facing applications, including some that customers may use to pay bills or access court-related information.
	Apparently, WannaCry hit them.
	I don't know why people call these hackers.
	Because they're stupid.
	There's no active hacking going on.
	It's just a piece of code floating around.
	The next thing you know, somebody stupidly clicks on something.
	Boeing got hit by one.
	Yeah, I got a clip.
	Boeing was hit with a cyber attack, the planemaker said on Wednesday, which did not affect its jetliner production.
	A Boeing spokeswoman said some reports on the attack, quote, are overstated and inaccurate.
	The spokeswoman went on to say, quote, Remediations were applied and this is not a production and delivery issue.
	This followed a Seattle Times report that certain manufacturing equipment used to build its 787 Dreamliner and newest 777 wide-body jets could be crippled.
	Yeah, I read because...
	Remediations, by the way, means they paid.
	Yep.
	So you can expect Bitcoin to go up now.
	Isn't that what always happens when we get these things?
	Then Bitcoin seems to go up.
	I think Bitcoin went up already too much.
	It was $400 when we first made this.
	Hey, but listen to this.
	Because the Seattle Times article was very explicit.
	And what they're now claiming is not true.
	We've done a final assessment, said Linda Mills, head of communications for Boeing Commercial Airplanes.
	The vulnerability was limited to a few machines.
	We deployed software patches.
	There was no interruption to the 777 jet program or any of our other programs.
	But earlier in the day, we have reports.
	Mike Vanderwell, chief engineer, so not the communications department, he sent out an alarming alert about the virus calling for, quote, all hands on deck!
	All hands on deck!
	It is metastasizing rapidly out of North Charleston.
	I've just heard 777 spar assembly tools may have gone down.
	So...
	Brother.
	How can it be so hard...
	Do these companies just not have any antiviral software?
	What's that thing I always see here on the local news?
	PCmatic.com.
	Do you get those ads?
	Yeah.
	With the family?
	Yeah, the guy.
	The guy and his wife and his son.
	We're the best.
	And the thing is, they work.
	I remember PCmatic.
	I remember their ads.
	Yeah, the ads work if you remember them, that's true.
	There's an ad I was thinking of the other day, because I keep seeing it over and over and over again, trying to think what it was, and I can barely remember it.
	And I kept thinking, what was this ad for?
	You can't remember what the ad was for.
	It's a really bad ad, no matter how catchy it is.
	But I'm sure there's another wave.
	If it's all of Atlanta...
	You've got to believe that's a mess.
	I mean, just look at what's going on at the airport with their computers.
	It's a mess.
	And then now Boeing, there's got to be more.
	Let me see.
	What happened to Bitcoin?
	You know, Boeing is such a savvy company.
	How can their security guys be so lax to let this even be a possibility?
	That's a very good question.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I would immediately fire the IT department.
	Everybody.
	Or at least everybody.
	Someone's got to do a handover.
	Somebody's got to do something.
	You can't just let this happen in a company like that.
	Holy mackerel.
	I got a lot of tweets from people about peril for the show.
	Peril?
	Yes, peril.
	Peril ahead.
	Rough times.
	Stormy waters.
	Oh, okay.
	As Microsoft has upgraded its terms of service.
	Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Actually, I didn't have this on my list of things to talk about.
	I wanted to mention it.
	Yeah, I wanted to mention it.
	It's worth mentioning.
	Although, I'm surprised that this wasn't already in their terms of service.
	And what we're referring to is Microsoft...
	has updated their Code of Conduct section of their Terms of Service.
	Here it is.
	In the Code of Conduct section, we've clarified the use of offensive language and fraudulent activity as prohibited.
	Yes, first thing I thought of was Adam Curry.
	Yeah.
	Hey, chicks!
	We've also clarified that violation of the Code of Conduct through Xbox services may result in suspensions or bans.
	This may be more focused on what's going on in Xbox.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, Xbox, a lot of the games have these subsystems that allow you to talk to each other.
	Well, Skype, of course, is the main thing.
	Especially if you're a team.
	I just want to point out, Skype is owned by Microsoft.
	We use Skype to communicate with each other over the show.
	It's thrown into the pot, but I don't know that they're monitoring the usage on Skype.
	Yeah, because if they were, they wouldn't ask me this stupid question every time I hang up.
	How would you rate the quality of this call?
	They don't do it every time.
	No, I get it often.
	Yeah, that's what they should be doing, monitoring the quality of the calls instead of asking you.
	But no, they're not monitoring anything.
	I mean, they can't do it.
	It's impossible.
	There's like a million Skype calls underway as we speak.
	But I understand what they're talking about.
	If somebody targeted the show, somebody at Microsoft doesn't like the show...
	Yeah, that's highly unlikely now that I'm a fanboy.
	Why would they do that to me?
	Oh, they wouldn't.
	It'd be crazy because you all of a sudden become, you're the guy they're after.
	They want guys who flipped, you know, from Mac to Windows.
	That's very rare.
	Right.
	Do they send me free stuff?
	Well, actually, nowadays it's not so rare.
	But in the olden days, it was always the other way around.
	Yes.
	That's why Apple had test drives.
	They let you borrow equipment.
	Look how better it is.
	Good times.
	Well, did you see any of their presentation to the educational sector?
	No, I read about it.
	Yeah, so it seemed real heavy on the iPad, huh?
	No computers.
	Well, this was a column of mine.
	Yeah.
	That's when I said they're going to give up on the Macintosh, which was...
	Right.
	I'm confirming what you said.
	Yeah, they're going to give up on it, and I think they should spin it off into another company.
	I think they'd make out on the deal.
	I mean, HP spun off numerous companies.
	Yeah, could you imagine if they spun off the just MacBook Pro division?
	It doesn't have to be desktop, just MacBook Pros.
	I think it would be very successful if they really focused on it, on Pro, which a lot of Pro simmers use.
	Yeah, they need to focus.
	Right now, they're focusing on everything but the Mac.
	But I think they should move the Mac over, not just the MacBook Pro, but the whole division, whole OS. Yeah.
	And they'd have the resources.
	They wouldn't have these distractions.
	Oh, can we undo this?
	We want to turn everything into a phone.
	All that sort of thing would be out.
	Yes.
	All right.
	So I've been very disappointed in all the news channels.
	The ones that I monitor as a part of my beat.
	I mean, you can play the game.
	You turn on the TV, and within 30 seconds, it's Russia, Kalusia, Trump, Sharmie, Mueller.
	It's one of those, and you win.
	You take a drink.
	It's like nothing else in the world is going on.
	There's nothing happening.
	Although they've been doing a little bit of facebag Analytica, as I call it now.
	They've been doing that.
	Face-A-Linica.
	No, facebag Analytica works.
	And I would like to remind everybody...
	I tweeted this, actually.
	In 2010, Mark Zuckerberg was Person of the Year on Time magazine.
	In Time magazine, it was on the cover.
	And in the article itself, I will quote, it's in the show notes, the door opened and a distinguished looking gray hair man burst in.
	It's the only way to describe his entrance trailed by a couple of deputies.
	He was both the oldest person in the room by 20 years and the only one wearing a suit.
	He was in the building, he explained, with the delighted air of a man about to secure ironclad bragging rights forever.
	And he just had to stop in and introduce himself to Zuckerberg.
	Robert Mueller, director of the FBI, pleased to meet you.
	Any collusion?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	He just happened to be in the building.
	This Mueller is unsavory.
	He's an unsavory character, I tell you.
	And this Christopher Wiley...
	Wile E. Coyote.
	Somehow he testified in front of the members of British Parliament, which was very fun to watch.
	He put on a suit and they're taking him real serious because, you know, Cambridge Analytica is obviously responsible for Brexit going the wrong way.
	So they need to know everything about it.
	Zuck was invited to come testify and he politely declined, which apparently that's been switched around.
	For the UK Parliament?
	Oh, no.
	I don't think he's going to do here, but they say he's going to testify here.
	If he goes in front of the US Senate...
	It's going to be great.
	It's going to be great for the show.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	But this guy is not presentable.
	He's arrogant.
	He's autistic in some...
	He's on the spectrum.
	That's what I should say.
	And he isn't necessarily likable.
	Well, let's stick with Wiley for a moment, because this guy's been irritating me.
	Where is he coming from?
	What is his true agenda?
	We're learning a lot more about him.
	For instance, that he actually pitched Corey Lewandowski to work with his new company for Trump's campaign, and it turns out he took the data himself to start his new company.
	That's not mentioned in any of the testimony, of course.
	But there's enough evidence that you can find in the show notes about that.
	But where he came from and his background became very clear in the testimony.
	Why have you decided to speak out against it and give evidence against people who used to be your colleagues?
	Because...
	As a citizen, one is expected and has a duty to report unlawful activity.
	In terms of if you're asking about sort of my journey to this moment.
	Yes, what is your journey to this moment?
	A lot of people have asked me, why is it taking you so long?
	What they don't see is that actually, I've been working on this with The Guardian and then later The New York Times and Channel 4 for a year.
	So what you're seeing is sort of the apex or the climax of that.
	But this is a year-long coming out process.
	But before going public, I went and started working with the ICO and UK authorities to start their investigation.
	Also, after I left Cambridge Analytica, very shortly after that I got threatened with legal action and had a very aggressive team of lawyers coming after me, so I signed an undertaking of confidentiality.
	Which would mean that if I did break that, I could be sued into oblivion by Robert Mercer.
	So, frankly, that's intimidating.
	But more broadly, it was only until 2016.
	When I was working at CIA and setting it up, you don't...
	You don't appreciate the future impact of what your work is until it starts to happen.
	And so 2016 was where I started looking at what this company was actually doing in the United States and coming to appreciate that the projects that I was working on may have had a much wider impact than I initially anticipated it would.
	And after Donald Trump got inaugurated, very shortly after that, that's when I started working with Carol at The Guardian on reporting some of the things that the company was doing.
	So for the spring, I was one of her key sources anonymously until we could figure out a legal position that would then allow me to come forward.
	Any collusion?
	Okay, now we understand.
	This is another Guardian New York Times job.
	Yeah.
	And they're taking care of him.
	They're taking care of him.
	We'll make sure you don't get sued, son.
	We'll put our lawyers on.
	It's going to be fine.
	But they've known about this for a year.
	They didn't tell us.
	No.
	But lots of fallout.
	These newspapers are getting to be really...
	I mean, are they trying to...
	I mean, are they...
	Do they think they're doing us a favor?
	They're all trying to be Woodward and Bernstein.
	That's what every journo is doing.
	Well, that goes back to Chelsea Manning.
	I got some Chelsea Manning clips.
	She was on Democracy Now!
	I picked up...
	A whole series of clips.
	I will play them later.
	Continue with this first.
	Well, there's not much more to say about Christopher Wiley.
	And this is the kid with the pink hair and the nose piercing.
	Which is, by the way, the only thing I forbid my daughter to do.
	She said, you may not have a nose piercing.
	Or a tongue piercing.
	Or a lip piercing.
	I like the piercing that's in between.
	That looks like a cow thing.
	Yeah, that's what I said to Christina.
	I said, if you have that, then I'm going to hook up a dog leash to it.
	I'm going to pull you around.
	I'm going to pull you around like a cow.
	She's going to get it for sure now.
	No, no, no.
	Well, when I saw her a couple of weeks ago, she had an eyebrow piercing, and I have a billfold that has a magnet in it.
	I'm like, cluck, put it right on her head.
	I said, there you go.
	Cluck.
	Things hanging off of her head.
	Yep.
	That's how we do it in the curry clan.
	Now, other fallout from the face bag.
	Very interesting to watch.
	Their stock is now rocketing today.
	Just off the chart, I think.
	I think you mentioned it on the last show.
	I think I mentioned it on the last show.
	Where I asked my daughter if she's going to kill her Facebook account.
	Remind us.
	Okay, I'll do it again.
	It doesn't matter.
	So we're at dinner and I said, I'm asking everybody about Facebook.
	You know, because they're big Facebook mavens.
	And I said, you're going to kill, because of this horrible situation, you're going to kill your account.
	She said, no, what's the point?
	Huh.
	No one's kidding.
	She's a millennial of the law.
	Yeah, doesn't care.
	Doesn't care.
	Doesn't care?
	It's like, so what?
	Yeah.
	And I did have her go through her, do the download, which everyone's recommending even on the television now, that you did on the show live.
	I said, I thought you listened to the show.
	Adam went through this whole thing live, which I thought was still one of their better features.
	And so she did it.
	And I'm looking at it, and she's looking at it, and a lot of the stuff that she deleted was gone.
	Oh, it was gone?
	She was surprised about how much stuff she knew should have been in that.
	She was bummed?
	Like, ah, they didn't save it.
	She wasn't bummed.
	Well, actually, she may have been because I think she wanted to recover something she had deleted.
	So, I don't know.
	Right.
	There's some other things that are changing.
	They keep trying to release news, and it's working, although there's a lot of prop.
	I see a lot of propping up going on.
	And the sentiment now is, oh, they're going to be okay.
	But a lot of things are changing.
	And you can go in and you can look at, there's a settings, you know, activity log, more, more, more, click more.
	Eventually, you get to your location.
	Locations.
	And this thing...
	Now, I have location turned off on my phone, but it knew damn well that I was in College Station.
	Well, again...
	And I know how.
	I know how.
	It's proximity.
	They have your cell phone ID. And they get proximity to either a person or something like that.
	And then, you know, they're reporting I was there.
	Of course, it was not me.
	It was my phone.
	They know that for sure.
	But they're tracking it.
	Talk to a dog.
	Somehow they're tracking it, and it's not through the iPhone location thing.
	And there's tons of it.
	No, this whole tracking thing is out of control.
	Yeah.
	So do you think people are going to realize that?
	I mean, people, people, not millennials.
	They aren't people.
	I mean, regular people.
	What are they?
	Robots.
	We are taking over.
	How about regular people?
	Will anyone care?
	Tina is really on the verge.
	She's ready.
	I mean, she needs an account for work, but she's ready to delete.
	And I have to say, I'm pretty ready.
	I mean, the stuff on the no agenda groups are no good, usually.
	Or there's long threads of bleh.
	You're ready to do what?
	To delete my account.
	Just get off the whole platform together.
	Here's the money maker for anybody out there.
	Put me on the board.
	A product that you can sell that is called Blocker.
	It's like an ad blocker, only it blocks your tracking.
	In other words, it really screws up the GPS tracking and it just shows you at home all the time.
	Something like that.
	There's no way that you can't do this.
	And that would solve the problem for you and Tina.
	I don't care one way or the other because they rarely carry the phone.
	You just don't want me to get off the bag, do you?
	Oh, you're not getting off the bag, whether I want you to or not.
	Oh, really?
	Okay.
	Yeah, really.
	Well, I've deleted all of them.
	But some product like that, I think, is a moneymaker.
	Yeah, isn't that just an ad blocker?
	Isn't it just an ad blocker?
	I mean, what's the difference?
	Well, it'd be like an ad blocker, but it would be blocking location stuff.
	Yeah, no, no, no.
	It's not going to happen.
	You know, things that are working subsystems on these phones that just have to be And I don't think you can stop them, but I think you can mess with them.
	That makes it so that the data is useless.
	We'll see.
	We'll see.
	I mean, definitely, there's chinks in the armor.
	They delayed their own.
	I love this.
	I guess they were coming out with a home speaker with a talking tube, similar to the Echo.
	Oh, I didn't know that, but it makes sense.
	Yeah, they delayed that amidst the, as Bloomberg reports, the data crisis.
	But they've also, and this is, I think this may hurt them.
	They'll bring it out before Christmas.
	Oh, I've got to.
	This may hurt them longer term.
	They claim, Facebook, according to Reuters, claim it is ending partnerships with several large data brokers.
	And this is really the beauty of what they have, is connecting it to other data.
	They're getting carried away.
	Purchase history, etc.
	Too much.
	Yeah.
	But you know which two companies they list as data brokers?
	Equifax?
	Experian.
	Yeah.
	Experian.
	That's the FICO score company.
	Yeah.
	Perfect.
	Any collusion?
	This is not good.
	This is bad.
	No, it's very bad.
	Well, like somebody said, I mean, if people are going to continue to post drunken pictures of themselves at parties...
	On Facebook and other picture hosting sites.
	He's just asking for trouble.
	And there's another issue that's cropping up.
	Speaking of the talking tube, Adobe, who as we know are one of the biggest trackers in the universe.
	We did many shows on that, I think, back in the day.
	This is why everyone started banning Flash.
	Not because the whole technology for videos is crap.
	Flash is tracking so much.
	And it has so many permissions, you can't look inside, and it was a real problem.
	Adobe found 28% of all website traffic is now showing strong, quote, non-human signals.
	And what they're saying is because of the Internet of Things and talking tubes and all these different devices, you've got a lot of traffic that is accessing, you know, sites for weather and all kinds of different pieces of data.
	Microservices, baby!
	I'm just going to say it again.
	You cannot monetize the network, people.
	It's just not going to work.
	When will we figure it out?
	Unless people pay.
	That's it.
	They're not going to pay.
	Anyway.
	I don't have much more on that.
	Oh yeah, I do have Tim Cook went on Recode, and I guess somewhere in April they're going to air the whole thing.
	And they were harping about...
	It was about privacy and data, and he was pretty adamant.
	We're looking at every app in detail.
	What is it doing?
	Is it doing what it's saying it's doing?
	Is it meeting the privacy policy that they're stating, right?
	And so we're always looking at that.
	Right!
	Should we raise the bar even more?
	We're always looking at improving and raising the bar.
	Sounds like morale.
	But we should carefully review each app and police now.
	And we don't subscribe to the view that you have to let everybody in that wants to, or if you don't, you don't believe in free speech.
	We don't believe that.
	We don't believe that because we're like the guy on the corner store.
	What you sell in that store says something about you.
	And if you don't want to sell that other thing, you don't sell it.
	It doesn't mean that you can't use an iPhone to go to your browser and go to some porno site if you want to do that.
	Nobody does that.
	I'm not making fun of it, but I'm just saying that it's not what we want to put in our store.
	We want kids to go to the store, right?
	Because kids, there's a lot of learning education apps in the store.
	And so we've always done that.
	We've worked for the music industry to code things explicit.
	And so a parent could say, I don't want my child to listen to explicit content.
	We've made sure all the movies are coded in such a way where you can say, I only want my child looking at G-movies or whatever.
	Or we have a parental control around apps.
	You can say, I don't want them on these certain apps.
	And so this is something we've always felt really responsible for.
	Mark Zuckerberg, what would you do?
	What would I do?
	I wouldn't be in this situation.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, careful.
	Careful.
	Your crisis will come, Mr.
	Cook.
	It will come.
	I was looking at Mark Morrell to see if he was married.
	And meanwhile, I think everyone was surprised, astonished, blown away.
	We could have predicted this.
	I'm a little irked I didn't bring it up.
	Massive ratings for the return of the Roseanne Barr show on ABC. Yeah, I was kind of surprised.
	I watched it on and off because I prefer a good drama like NCIS. It's well-structured.
	I think it's a better thing to watch in terms of the Roseanne Barr show.
	But I've watched both.
	Unfortunately, they're up against each other, which is chicken shit, I think, by ABC. But I guess they've got to do something with this other show that they're competing against.
	And there's a third show, I forgot which one, which is also a good show at the same time.
	So, despite all of that, I mean, but these ratings, they were almost Stormy Daniels ratings.
	I mean, that was big.
	No one expected this.
	I think we could have expected it.
	They had good promotion.
	No, no, no.
	This is not it.
	This has nothing to do with it.
	What, the promotion?
	Well, the promotion is important, but the second show they aired back-to-back, the second episode, got higher ratings than the first one.
	That is very uncommon.
	There's always a drop-off.
	And I attribute it to the content.
	Uh, maybe.
	Hmm.
	And also, well, how about this?
	I think there's another element that may account for it, which is that, oh, I forgot that was on tonight.
	And then you catch the second half hour.
	Okay.
	We don't typically talk like that way in television?
	I'm surprised you're in this meeting?
	It's possible.
	I'm surprised you've been let into the meeting.
	This is not possible.
	It is possible, and I think it could have happened because it was such a long lead and it took forever to finally put it on the air because I don't know why.
	They could have done this months ago.
	And I think a lot of people were caught off guard because they have normal viewing patterns.
	And then they find out this is on and they flip over to it.
	I think it's a possibility.
	They stuck with it.
	A very young audience.
	Another gobsmacking surprise.
	Well, that is unusual.
	Very young audience.
	But I think the content had a lot to do with it.
	I think that people are sick and tired of...
	You know, divisive television.
	Look, I was watching Roseanne Barr because I couldn't watch the damn news channels anymore.
	It's annoying.
	It's like MH17. You know, yeah, Mueller's investigation is not yet in.
	Yeah, the plane has not been found.
	It's the same format.
	Yeah.
	Mueller's just spending money, having fun.
	You know, what would you do?
	Anyway, I liked the Roseanne Barr show.
	I thought it was a good show.
	I liked it.
	And I liked people losing their crap over it on FaceBag.
	Well, I liked the losing the crap part.
	Yeah.
	I watched, I didn't think the show, it was pretty much the old Roseanne Barr show.
	Yeah.
	Although only it was, you know, Roseanne looks 10 years younger.
	Of all of them, she's the only one that looked younger.
	She looks younger.
	And they had the whole crew, because most of them really don't work a lot.
	A couple of them do.
	But they don't work a lot because they made so much money on residuals from the show, they don't really have to work.
	And so they could get them all back together.
	That's an irony of a show like that, getting everyone back.
	You could do the same thing with Seinfeld.
	Yep.
	You could get them all back together again, except for maybe, I guess, what Juliette Dreyfuss girl, she's working, but you could get them all back together.
	She could do that in the other show.
	It's pretty funny, but I don't know.
	It seems to me to be...
	I didn't care for it.
	I thought it was just middle-of-the-road comedy.
	So you don't think that there's an element of people in the United States who feel left out by Hollywood...
	And media in general, and all of a sudden, here's actual arguments, actual situations that they witness as well, i.e.
	the Trump effect.
	I think that assertion's okay.
	I think you're right.
	I mean, they had that show with...
	Tim Allen, they had a Tim Allen show that was doing very well in the ratings.
	He's a sad victim.
	Yeah, a sad victim.
	And I think this is the blowback.
	He'll re-emerge.
	He had to do something.
	He'll re-emerge.
	I think he'll re-emerge.
	Yeah, so they brought this back, even though Tim Allen got screwed in the deal.
	His ratings were fine.
	Yeah.
	And he was doing a Trump, pro-Trump thing.
	He wasn't doing it overtly.
	And this is pretty mild, too.
	It's not out of control.
	Apparently, from what I understand...
	The entire writing staff is a bunch of hillbots.
	On the Roseanne show?
	Yes.
	How fabulous.
	And so the meetings have got to be very funny because Roseanne is a known Trumper.
	Yeah, Trumper.
	And so she must get into beefs with these guys constantly.
	Maybe turn them around.
	Here's what I don't understand.
	Just like Roseanne, we're Trumpers.
	You know that, John.
	That's a fact, right?
	Come on, everyone says it.
	We all know it on the Reddit.
	You know that.
	How come we're down?
	What are we doing wrong?
	We're doing something wrong, son.
	Alright, so I've got...
	I can go to...
	Dead embryos?
	Yeah, let's do some embryos and then we'll thank some people.
	Let's get the embryos out of the way.
	Because, you know, there's nothing like some dead embryos.
	We have a sad and shocking follow-up tonight to our reporting earlier this month about a failure at a fertility clinic in Cleveland that resulted in the loss of thousands of frozen eggs and embryos.
	Many families being notified just today that the failure was far worse than the hospital initially reported.
	Involving as many as 4,000 eggs and embryos, the clinic acknowledging none of them are viable, crushing the hopes of so many would-be parents.
	Senior national correspondent Kate Snow has our NBC News investigation.
	Wendy Penniman is one of nearly 1,000 people who got the overnight letter from university hospitals today.
	Oh, my God.
	We were there as she read about what happened to the three embryos she and her husband had stored.
	It's mind-blowing to me, honestly.
	I'm sick.
	I'm sick.
	For several weeks the hospital said it knew the storage tank had a problem with a part that automatically refilled the liquid nitrogen to keep eggs and embryos frozen.
	On top of that the remote alarm system that should have alerted an employee to changes like temperature swings was off.
	Would you agree the letter you've written describes failure, error, error after error?
	There were many Errors or mistakes that seem to appear.
	We are in the midst of our investigation.
	Hmm.
	Yeah.
	Everyone's all bent out of shape, but I can't imagine how much money they're going to lose because of this.
	Hmm.
	I was reading in the Wall Street Journal the other day that in Brazil, American sperm demand has skyrocketed.
	Going for us at five grand.
	Five grand a pop, baby.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Because they want that.
	Well, they will look at you.
	Well, I think you're probably good.
	We're both good.
	They want, you know, blue eyes, blonde, handsome, dapper, successful.
	Oops.
	Scrap that one.
	Oops.
	Scrap that one.
	Podcasters.
	Podcasters.
	4,000.
	Oh, shit.
	I recorded that show.
	I haven't looked at it yet.
	The podcast show.
	The podcast guy.
	The new show.
	Oh, did it run already?
	Yeah, yeah, last night.
	I recorded it.
	I get a copy.
	We both missed it.
	That's great marketing.
	Thanks for the reminder.
	There you go, guys.
	There is a solution.
	There's a solution for everything.
	And there's something going on in the UK, Gitmo Nation East, with H&M that is just fantastic.
	It solves two problems at once.
	They apparently have billions of pounds worth in overstocked clothes that they can't get rid of.
	Yeah.
	That's a problem when you're in retail.
	So I guess they estimated the demand incorrectly or they had the wrong line.
	So what do you think they do with this?
	Well, there's three or four things you can do.
	The smart thing to do is to discount it to the cost of manufacturing and sell it to your customers.
	But of course, the argument against that is, well, you know, it's going to cannibalize our other sales.
	The other one is you can give it to the poor, the homeless.
	There's a thought.
	And then the third one is just grind it up.
	Give it to cows to eat.
	Close, close.
	And I personally also thought, gee, wouldn't it be great and it would be a fabulous write-off To give it to homeless people.
	No, not H&M. Swedish fashion clothes shop H&M is struggling with a multi-billion euro pile of unsold clothes.
	There are so many the store is helping the Swedish power plant replace coal for good by burning H&M's unsold clothing.
	They're burning it.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Don't give it to the homeless.
	Just burn it.
	Why not?
	Good publicity for the company.
	Good work.
	All right.
	And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John, see where the C stands for census, which we'll be talking about later, Dvorak.
	Good morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	In the morning to all the ships and sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	In the morning to the Troll Room.
	NoagendaStream.com is where you can hang out with your fellow shorties under the bridge and make fun of us.
	I read it all.
	I know what's going on.
	In the morning also to Horsehead Businessman.
	Great piece of art.
	This was, we were talking about slingshots.
	And the iconic slingshot in the back pocket.
	And this was a picture of a slingshot in the back pocket with the person's hands behind their back in handcuffs.
	Because these will be outlawed, of course.
	The slingshots.
	And I promptly received from one of our producers a YouTube slingshot channel.
	There's a lot going on in slingshot technology I was unaware of.
	Did you see that one, the guy who makes all these weird slingshots that do all kinds of crazy things?
	Would that be the exact thing?
	The German guy, the guy with the Dutch accent?
	Yes, the thing I just mentioned, the YouTube channel.
	Yeah, that's what I said.
	Did you see that?
	Yeah, of course.
	There's a bunch of channels.
	Oh, no, I saw the one that our producer sent me, which you saw, too.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I was hoping you'd do the voice.
	No, he doesn't have a voice.
	He has this eerie laugh.
	Ha ha ha!
	But he's not Dutch.
	He's from Denmark or something.
	I can't do a Danish voice.
	I can't do a Dutch, but I can't do a Danish.
	No, I can't.
	Anyway, thank you to Horsehead Businessman and all of our artists who diligently are uploading artwork to noagendaartgenerator.com.
	We appreciate the resource.
	We appreciate the input and the value for value.
	All right.
	Let's thank a few people.
	Let's start off with Kaya.
	Rhymes with papaya.
	With $1,020.33.
	Whoa.
	Which I thought was a good way to start the day.
	That's nice for a Thursday.
	My donation amount of 10-20-33 has numerological significance in addition to it containing the show number.
	Which she makes her the show number person for the day.
	Yep.
	Which we haven't had for a while.
	Yes.
	Oh, that's right.
	So you become the actual...
	What is our...
	Member of the club.
	Yes.
	The 1020 club.
	It's how long ago it was.
	You forgot.
	I forgot.
	I forgot.
	The number 1020 is the primary...
	Is the trinary base three representation of 33.
	Huh.
	Huh.
	That's what I said.
	Huh.
	We should have caught that, John.
	I can't believe you didn't put it in the newsletter.
	I wasn't thinking a trinary at the time.
	She says, 33, the magic number.
	With this omen recognized, I declare this episode blessed.
	I've also added another 33 cents just to be safe.
	I've been listing cents near as makes no differences, episode 510, and have never before donated.
	This means I've been a douchebag for half the lifetime of the TBPITU. Special thanks to my friend Nelson, who I hit in the mouth for calling me out as such.
	Hey Nelson, I'll save the seat next to me at the round table in anticipating of your knighting ceremony.
	I'd also like to call out Chris Fisher of Jupiter Broadcasting as a douchebag.
	Douchebag!
	His show, Unfiltered, is inspired by the best podcast in the universe, but to my knowledge, he's never donated.
	I'd like to never donate.
	He's never mentioned us, according to this thing.
	I've heard they use a lot of our clips.
	Well, worse than that.
	Oh, no.
	I finally went over there to listen, and they got, besides this...
	Millennials, stay woke.
	I could have gotten that.
	But the one that really got my attention, normally I don't like calling out another podcaster as a douchebag because I get irked.
	But when I heard this clip, which is the bonus clip I sent you, then I got, oh brother, come on.
	Now I need to lecture them.
	The FTC is going to make sure that one of my Red Book predictions comes true.
	I'm out of new trouble for Facebook.
	Wow, brazen.
	Brazen!
	Red book predictions?
	My goodness!
	Shame!
	Can't you go black book, even that blue book?
	Shame!
	Or just prediction?
	Shame!
	Besides stealing our clips like, hey, millennials, stay woke, and God knows what else, because I haven't listened to that much of it.
	I mean, unless it's a parody of our show, which it's not, I will say it's well produced because it's video.
	So instead of just running our clips, which are just audio clips, which you can get here and there off the radio, off the C-SPAN, you can get them a lot of different ways.
	All their clips are video clips, which is a pain in the ass because there's a video show.
	They never show their faces on the show that I know of, and they just, you know, they have these clips, and then they show the chat room when they're talking, and then they go back to another video clip.
	Oh, okay.
	Gotcha.
	So it's kind of a half, it's not, it could have been, it could be even more slick.
	But, come on, people need to be a little more creative.
	Just a tad.
	I mean, I'm sure there's, you know, Millennials Stay Woke, you can, there's all kinds of cool stuff out there if you want to just drop little bombs in there.
	Yeah.
	Little memes.
	It's just like, But just to copy somebody else's stuff is pretty douchey.
	Oh, well.
	It's the highest form of flattery.
	Yeah, it is.
	Do you feel flattered?
	Do you have flattery fever?
	I'll back up a little bit about Jupiter.
	They're pretty much a competitor, not so much with us except for this one show, which still doesn't really compete, except with the stolen stuff.
	They're more competitive with Leo's operation because it's a big network of mostly Linux commentary and Linux analysis.
	And there's a lot of shows that's like A dozen or more.
	Two dozen.
	Sounds compelling.
	Well, to British people.
	But it's like everything else is that once they get a little taste of talking about politics, you know, you've got to do a politics show.
	You're a Linux expert, but we're going to talk about politics.
	Anyway, I'd like to be known henceforth as our girl here, as Sir Real...
	And absurd.
	Yeah, this would not be her.
	No, it would be a guy.
	Yeah, but you said her.
	Well, I got the impression with the name that it was a woman.
	But okay, it's a guy.
	Are you assuming someone's gender again, Dvorak?
	Yes, by their names.
	It's old school.
	And absurd.
	Night of the Five Eyes in Orbit.
	Oh, nice.
	Please make a cold brew coffee and cannabis available for me at the round table.
	What a combo!
	Cold brew.
	Cold brew is a scam.
	Really?
	As far as I'm concerned.
	Cold brew coffee and cannabis.
	Or just make a cup of coffee and let it get cold in the refrigerator.
	Call it cold brew.
	Jingle request.
	Magical Shapeshifting Juice, J.D. Mac and Cheese, and give it up for Raven.
	At the end of the show, could you please play your long Sharpton Flub compilation?
	Yes, I'm sure I can do that.
	Here's your jingles.
	Roll up, roll up for the Magical Shapeshifting Juice.
	Step right this way.
	Roll up.
	Roll up for the Shapeshifting Juice.
	You slaves can get used to mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	Cheese macaroni and cheese cheddar melted together.
	Mac and cheese, mac and cheese, mac and cheese.
	Straight from Reseda, here she is, Raven!
	Give it up!
	And I threw in a karma for good measure.
	You've got karma.
	There we go.
	All right, Kaya, looking forward to your knighting later on, sir.
	Kaya, Kaya.
	Kaya.
	Sir Michael of Hemlock, 500 bucks from Oslo, Norway.
	From Sir Michael of Hemlock, ex-pat Brit in Oslo.
	It's been a while since donating, so before I reach the peripherals of utter douchebaggery, I'm donating $500 to ease my guilt.
	Thank you guys for helping keep my powder dry.
	Here's the show 2000.
	Whoa!
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Hey, here we go.
	Thank you, Sir Michael of Hemlock.
	Thank you so much.
	I'm waiting for something from you.
	Yeah.
	The problem is the spreadsheet came in late.
	And then you...
	Oh, man.
	Am I misspelling it?
	Yeah.
	I should cut this whole thing out.
	Yeah.
	Just go straight for the jingle.
	Ladies and gentlemen, I present the Grand Duke of the Pacific Northwest, Sir Dwayne Melanson.
	There you go!
	The Grand Duke of the Pacific Northwest.
	353.
	Hello, gents.
	Hello.
	Another M5M... M5M353 donation.
	Ooh, I like that.
	I never noticed that before.
	Yeah, M5M353. That's a good one.
	I like that a lot.
	Keep up the great analysis.
	Anyone who hasn't done so this year, stop sitting there like a ruptured duck and reward the valued eyed Like to hear JCD call Raven.
	You're kidding me.
	Am I on the right thing here?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's two in one show.
	This doesn't happen very often.
	This is a random number.
	Proof.
	Like to hear JCD call Raven to the stage, plus my millennials stay woke.
	Another interesting coincidence based on what I was complaining about.
	Plus karma.
	All right, and thank you for that tip, this M5M353 donation.
	I like it a lot.
	Give it up for Raven.
	My millennials, stay woke.
	sounds of sound You've got karma.
	I'm getting the note.
	Okay.
	We'll play some.
	Yes.
	I'm here.
	All right.
	Good.
	Okay.
	So now we have Brian Holcomb.
	333.33 in Pottersville, Michigan.
	And that came in as a check, and it means I have a note.
	Not that note.
	Ah, checks came in is what you're saying.
	This is good news.
	Yeah, checks came in.
	Did you get a big wad of $1, $5, $3 checks?
	It's mostly fives.
	This is for episode 1020.
	In honor of the CB code, my location is Lansing, Michigan.
	And also represents my birthday.
	You have to put them on the birthday list.
	Ah, okay.
	I would like to get dedouched.
	We'll do that.
	You've been dedouched.
	Since this is my first donation, we have a lot of first donors.
	Nice.
	Which is interesting, again, as the random number thing continues to help us.
	My first episode was 960.
	I'm eternally thankful for your deconstructions.
	I've been surrounded by Union Dimension B. Oh, no.
	And due to a career change, I will be relocating to Silicon Valley.
	Oh, no, oh, no.
	Worse.
	Sorry, bro.
	About a month ago, I propagated the formula to one of my co-workers.
	He threatened to call me out since I had never donated.
	Oh, these co-workers.
	So here is my 330-333.
	I'd appreciate to call out Douchebag Dustin.
	Douchebag.
	I would also like some goat and jobs karma, a Trump mac and cheese, also for my 17-year-old daughter.
	Keep up the good work, fellas.
	Wait a minute.
	Humbly accept my value for value contribution.
	Do we have a Trump mac and cheese?
	Not that I know of.
	That's odd.
	Let me see.
	No, we don't have a Trump mac and cheese.
	Give him a Trump jobs karma.
	Okay.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got Harman Jobs Jobs Jobs There we go.
	A new combo.
	Yeah, kind of.
	Onward to Sandra Langston, who happens to be in Austin.
	Right up the road.
	Right up the road at 333.17.
	Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for your show.
	Random mild criticism, however.
	Oh, here we go.
	Here we go.
	Being de-douched is one thing, and I get it.
	But if you and you guys won't, I'll wager, are ever so lucky as to have a yeast infection, see you that your douchebag will be your best friend.
	You don't have to read this, but I have a show opening at the Davis Gallery, April 21st in Austin.
	Art and stuff.
	Well, she says you skipped it, but she said on a female note, being deduced is one thing.
	So, does she take offense to this dedouching?
	No, she just wants to point out that dedouching is a good thing in some situations.
	Yeah, well, okay, I understand.
	It's fine.
	It's good.
	I don't care.
	But she's an artist, apparently.
	Yes, Davis Gallery here in Austin, downtown.
	Never done any cover art for us.
	Oh, surprising.
	She's got criticism.
	Most graphic artists are different than fine artists, no doubt about that.
	She seems to be a fine artist.
	Ah, okay.
	She's a fine artist.
	We've never heard from her before, so that's interesting.
	All right, Sandra, thank you very much.
	Go to the Davis Gallery and see what she's got going on.
	I'm going to give her a goat karma.
	You've got karma.
	And by the way...
	I don't know how long she's been listening to this show, but it's not uncommon for people to plug something like that after a good donation.
	Of course.
	It's not a problem.
	It's not like you don't have to read this on the show.
	No, we should read it on the show.
	I mean, we support our producers.
	Yes.
	They support us.
	Sir Mark Borghese, the Baron of Las Vegas, 222.22.
	Baron of Las Vegas, I was prompted to donate by a ludicrous news headline.
	As I was about to click on the link, I stopped.
	Staring at the screen, I realized that I should be enjoying the beautiful spring weather rather than reading inflammatory reporting.
	I'm sure if there's something important in that story, John and Adam will cover it on the show.
	It was such a feeling of relief.
	I had to donate.
	Thanks for the news health.
	Oh, you're more than welcome.
	We're happy to take all the unhealthy stuff for you.
	These are associate executive producers.
	Melissa Talon, $200 even.
	My husband hit me in the mouth a while ago and he's a radio jock from way back and got me listening.
	That's a good thing.
	Since then I can't stop.
	I hope you guys always know how valuable you are.
	What you do matters a lot.
	In a world of crap and confusion, it's so good to tune into the guys, as I call you.
	Oh, I know.
	She calls us the guys.
	The guys.
	Yeah.
	Are you assuming our gender, Melissa?
	Apparently.
	I look forward to my time when I can listen in.
	I'm a composer, artist, musician, teacher, and homeschool mom.
	John, you had me at homeschool.
	Honestly, if someone had tapped me on the shoulder 10 years ago and told me I would be homeschooling my two beautiful children, I would have laughed!
	I would have laughed incredulously in their face.
	But somehow the world has changed and so have I. My children have never seen the inside of a classroom and they will be better for it.
	I would say probably yes.
	They are happy, smart, and they can also win spelling bees.
	Yes.
	They are happy, smart, outgoing, creative, critical thinkers.
	Did I say happy?
	We often call out all the ships at sea in the morning before we begin with a slight change because our children are seven and nine.
	We say...
	Fleets in the air.
	Oh, instead of feets in the air?
	Yeah, feets in the air.
	Oh, okay.
	I don't know why the kids would care one way or the other.
	So just saying, I absolutely love it when you talk education because Australia, aha, is never far behind the US. We seem to copy everything.
	My husband and I often quote you guys.
	It's fantastic to hear your voices.
	Adam, you have such...
	Adam, you have such a beautiful voice.
	Oh, yeah.
	And John, you make statements like no one else.
	Doesn't mean they're good.
	It's great to know there are clever and discerning individuals in the world, and I'm always pleased to hear others donating and listening in.
	It's a long note, by the way, but it's good.
	It's sweet, and it's from Australia.
	Please accept my humble donation.
	Not Australian pineapple dollars.
	May I please request a de-douching?
	You bet.
	You've been de-douched.
	And some job karma with Adam's little yay at the end.
	Oh, jeez.
	I'll have to do it live.
	I finally got rid of it.
	Now that you want it back?
	Why don't you just play the regular one and you yourself say yay.
	That's what I was thinking.
	Yeah, that's the way to go.
	I'm hoping to have a new album out soon.
	After years of being signed to a major universal EMI, I'm independent and truly loving it.
	Writing and producing, I raise a glass to your independence.
	Value for Value Model.
	Take care.
	Please never...
	So we have a famous person here.
	Melissa Tallon.
	I think so.
	I think you're right.
	Yeah.
	Years of being signed to major record labels.
	Okay.
	Very good.
	Take care.
	Please never stop.
	When the album's done and mastered, I will send you both a copy.
	Hope you'll love it.
	I'm sure we will.
	Care to you both.
	Care and love to you both.
	Happy Easter.
	Melissa Tallon in Australia.
	You've got karma.
	Found it.
	And finally, Dennis Covell, 200 bucks in Parts Unknown.
	I'll keep it simple.
	Get on with the show.
	I'd like to request Baby Making Karma.
	It's for jingles.
	Can I have a job?
	Oh my God.
	Can I have John's stripper call out?
	No.
	A third time?
	I'm telling you, I keep talking about random numbers, and it's always in threes, classically.
	That's why three celebrities die at the same time.
	And it's just, it keeps cropping up.
	It keeps throwing itself in your face, just reminding people, if you get to a crap table and somebody's starting to hit, you know, winners, winners, winners, get on board.
	It could go on for a while.
	Anyway, stripper call out followed by ag.
	Thanks, Obama.
	Here she is, Raven!
	Give it up!
	Thanks, Obama.
	You've got karma.
	And that wraps our little executive, associate executive producer segment for show 1020.
	1020 for 1086.
	Yeah, nice list.
	Nice list today.
	Thank you very much.
	These are real titles.
	These are show business equivalents.
	You can use them anywhere that titles are recognized.
	Show business understands executive producers and associate executive producers.
	And if there's ever any question, we will gladly back you up because we have some standing.
	As long as they don't figure out that we're podcasters before we get off the phone.
	But we're really...
	We will vouch for you.
	And it is our value for value system.
	No data being sold.
	No ads.
	No corporate money.
	And you are not the product.
	You are the people who we do the show for.
	In fact, you produce it.
	That's a very simple equation.
	Please remember us for our show coming up on Sunday.
	And with all you learned today, make sure you go out far and wide and propagate the formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Water!
	Water!
	Shut up, slave!
	Squirrel!
	Shut up, slave!
	I'm going to discuss a little racism before we get on to this.
	I love me some racism in the morning.
	This, when you watch this ad, this is the Heineken ad that got called out as racist.
	Mm-hmm.
	When you watch this ad on television, you can watch it a number of times and you don't know what the hell they're talking about.
	When you just listen to the ad, you can say, oh, okay, I can kind of get it.
	But it's lame.
	But this ad was called out.
	Well, here's the whole art.
	I think they even discussed it on here.
	So play the Heineken ad.
	And perhaps you've seen it, the new commercial by Heineken that's causing some controversy.
	In it, a bartender spots a woman down the bar.
	He then slides a bottle of Heineken of light beer past a black woman, then a black musician, and then another black woman before the beer settles in front of a glass of wine with the caption, Sometimes lighter is better.
	Chance the Rapper, for one, called the ad terribly racist in a tweet.
	Heineken has removed the commercial and said in a statement that it missed the mark And it's taking the feedback to heart.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Well, what's next?
	The American Express black card?
	Come here, you elites.
	You're all racist.
	Maybe.
	I watched the ad, and it's actually very well done.
	The guy, some multi-culti guy, he's a bartender, and he's got his binoculars on.
	He's looking, and he sees this woman with a glass of white wine.
	And so he pours a Heineken light and then shoves it down the bar so it goes speeding down the bar.
	It goes past various people, but it goes past the black woman.
	Then it slides onto the floor magically and then slides under a black musician who apparently is playing at this club.
	And then it stops over by the white wine glass while a black woman walks past it.
	And then the woman who was intended for, she looks at it.
	And she obviously is going to drink it now.
	And then they come out when they say, lighter is better.
	And that's racist!
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, when Chance the Rapper says something...
	I'm a fan of Chance the Rapper.
	He's good.
	Well, he spotted this as racist.
	He's a comedian, too, I think.
	He does stand-up.
	The guy's very funny.
	Yeah, he's very funny.
	Oh, look him up.
	Yeah.
	I ran into another, just an off-beat clip before we get into a series of clips.
	Have you seen Al Gore's daughter?
	No.
	I wouldn't even know her name.
	Okay.
	Well, here's a little clip of Gore's kid, but before you play it, I'll give you a little...
	She's, unfortunately, she's an up-talker.
	Oh, fabulous.
	Nice.
	Yeah, she's an up-talker, and I didn't notice that until I was editing the clip.
	I didn't notice it when I was watching her.
	She's very pretty.
	Apparently, there's a lot of gore women who are very pretty.
	And I guess she's the daughter of Sparky or whatever his wife's name was.
	I can't remember.
	Tipper.
	Tipper.
	Sparky Gore.
	What's her name?
	What is Sparky's daughter's name?
	She mentions it in this clip.
	Oh, I can see it.
	Anyway, so she's an uptaker, but she's good looking and you can tell that even though this is stupid what they did, you can tell she's going to be a player in the game.
	Yeah, I'm looking at her right now.
	What's her name here?
	Karina.
	Karenagor?
	Karenagor.
	Yeah, nice Russian name, yeah.
	Collusion?
	Collusion, anybody?
	And in Massachusetts, a judge has found 13 protesters not responsible after they temporarily halted a pipeline's construction by nonviolently laying down in a trench, being dug by Spectra Energy to carry fracked gas through West Roxbury, Massachusetts.
	District Judge Marianne Driscoll made her ruling after the protesters argued the necessity defense, saying their civil disobedience was justified by the urgent need to stop climate change.
	Among those arrested in the civil disobedience was Karenna Gore, the daughter of former Vice President Al Gore.
	She spoke on Tuesday after the ruling.
	What happened today was really important.
	We had a long and winding road, but essentially the people that put themselves in the way of building this fossil fuel pipeline were found not responsible by reason of necessity.
	Hmm.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, she could work on this up-talking thing.
	It's annoying.
	Well, she was a part of it.
	So, yeah, she's on the scene.
	She'll be there.
	She has the look.
	Yeah, she has the right look.
	More dynasty.
	We need more dynasties in America.
	Yeah, we need more dynasty.
	Yeah, that's really good.
	Yeah, that's the American way.
	Yeah, create our own dynasty.
	Yeah, dynasties.
	Well, anyway.
	I just thought that was interesting.
	I went to Democracy Now!
	for my clips today because I do some NBC stuff, but...
	It was like you said.
	You said there's nothing.
	Oh, my God.
	Democracy now plays a lot of offbeat stuff.
	And so I get some...
	It's just to fill up the Stormy Daniels stories, the space in between.
	Yeah, they did the Stormy Daniels thing, too, but it wasn't anything like...
	Let me see if I... Did I have anything on Stormy?
	Yeah, well, I had the...
	What I have uncovered is that both Stormy and Karen, what's her name, McDougal or something?
	That says she's the model.
	Yeah.
	They both have the same lawyer, Michael Avenatti, Esquire.
	That's funny.
	Yeah, well, what's even funnier...
	In 2003, the law school honored Michael by establishing the Michael J. Avenatti Award for Excellence in Pre-Trial and Trial Advocacy.
	Here we go.
	While in college and later in law school, Michael worked at a political opposition research firm and media firm funded by Rahm Emanuel.
	Who later became White House Chief of Staff and is presently Mayor of Chicago.
	During his time there, Michael worked in over 150 campaigns in 42 states, including multiple gubernatorial and congressional campaigns, i.e.
	Joe Biden's U.S. Senate campaign.
	So the guy's a shill.
	Now we understand.
	Now we understand.
	There's a connection.
	He's one of those dirty tricksters, guy.
	He's a trickster.
	What are you munching on?
	A lozenge?
	B-12.
	B12, okay.
	That's okay.
	I can munch on a B12. So he's connected to Obama and the Clintons?
	Yeah.
	My goodness.
	He's a Segretti.
	Donald Segretti.
	Look him up.
	That's the kind of guy he obviously is now.
	Men should bring that in.
	It all makes sense now.
	Yeah, but where's the reporting on this?
	Oh, what am I thinking?
	I'm sorry.
	How stupid is it?
	You're already kicking me off the show.
	Yeah, exactly.
	There's your reporting.
	Yeah.
	Hmm, I wonder why that is.
	Hmm, that's so strange.
	This is a Democracy Now!
	clip that...
	This is funny because this was a big story and everybody played it up, but they never played the finality of it.
	And this is the...
	I just kind of chuckled to myself when this...
	Was done.
	Female senators and in action.
	Oh.
	Yes.
	All 22 female senators, both Democrat and Republican, have written a letter to the Senate leadership demanding the passage of legislation addressing sexual harassment on Capitol Hill.
	Early last month, the House of Representatives passed a bill overhauling the secretive process for reporting sexual harassment in Congress.
	The legislation would bar lawmakers accused of sexual harassment or assault from using taxpayer money to settle lawsuits and would provide legal representation to those alleging they've been sexually harassed.
	Since then, there's been no action in pushing the legislation through the Senate.
	Yeah, I had this on my list of...
	I didn't have a clip, but I had my list of stories to talk about.
	Just drop dead.
	Yeah, they don't care.
	They don't give a crap about women.
	No.
	Hashtag Me Too.
	We don't care.
	I'm going to get sued by some of these...
	Sleazy secretary that's working for me.
	I want the taxpayers to pay for my defense.
	I don't want anyone to know that that happens.
	No, we can't have this legislation.
	Well, on that, I think the hashtag MeToo and hashtag Time's Up and just throw in hashtag Enough's Enough.
	Throw in everybody.
	They missed a really big opportunity.
	You know, Stormy Daniels, the Anderson Cooper interview where he's just foaming at the mouth over this...
	Journalistic hat trick he's pulled.
	Yeah.
	Trump, if it's true, and this is why I'm surprised no one picked up on it, I guess because they're all falling over themselves with glee about the dotty details of the story.
	Did he use a condom?
	Well, yeah.
	But...
	The way I understand it is Trump was really no better than Harvey Weinstein by promising her a role on The Apprentice and, eh, baby, it's all going to be good, and she didn't really want to sleep with him, but, you know, thought it could probably help her career.
	He's just as sleazy as Weinstein.
	Not that we didn't know that, but specifically promising a role in a media property, and they dropped the ball on that.
	This is an obvious call-out, an obvious one.
	Oh, you're right.
	They could have done that.
	And it doesn't have to be the news heads.
	It could be the hashtag MeToo movement.
	Where are they?
	Yeah, but he's doing it with hookers.
	She's not a hooker.
	Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho.
	She's not a hooker.
	Okay.
	She is an adult film actor.
	Yeah.
	Usually they say adult film star, which I always like.
	Star.
	Star.
	Anyway, I thought they dropped the ball on that one.
	Yeah, they did.
	I think the problem is that they can't get their act together.
	They jump from thing to thing.
	They're having nothing but trouble.
	Who's they?
	You mean the Me Too?
	The Democrats and the media.
	Oh, I thought hashtag Me Too was concerned women around the globe.
	No, no.
	It's about Hillary.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I misunderstood the mission.
	Yeah, I think you did.
	Mm-hmm.
	Let's try another one from the Democracy.
	This goes back to Facebook.
	This is Facebook News.
	Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg says he'll testify before Congress in the coming weeks amidst the burgeoning scandal about how the voter profiling company Cambridge Analytica harvested the data of more than 50 million Facebook users without their permission in efforts to sway voters to support President Donald Trump.
	This comes as Facebook has been slapped with a new lawsuit by fair housing groups who accuse Facebook of allowing employers and housing brokers to discriminate in their targeted advertising.
	The lawsuit says some Facebook advertisers do not show job and housing listings to African Americans, single women and women with children.
	Oh yeah, I saw this lawsuit.
	But you know, it's like, that's what Facebook was built for, to not send ads to everybody.
	I think it's a frivolous lawsuit, but they even tested it.
	We had housing ads for cheap housing, and we were able to exclude these categories of people, which is racist.
	And discriminatory.
	Well, then all targeted advertising is racist.
	Thank you.
	Of course it is.
	Or bigoted in one way or the other.
	Of course it is.
	It's targeted.
	If you've got a product that you think you can sell to some white guy who works at a Wall Street bank, and you have the opportunity to target him?
	Yeah.
	Why would you waste any money?
	Why would you waste any money on targeting anybody else?
	You don't target them.
	You just target him.
	If Facebook, I am sure, I think you can prove this too, would just give away the ads to everybody, yeah.
	Sure, give them away.
	I don't care.
	But this is who we're targeting.
	We want to sell it to a white guy who works at a Wall Street bank.
	That's what the point of targeting is.
	So I got a kick out of that.
	I'm still, as a pure marketing issue, I'm still interested in understanding why it seems impossible for anybody to convince the rest of the world that the internet is more than the face bag and Instagram, the Insta, and the tweeters, and the gram.
	The gram.
	Well, Insta is what the hip hoppers say, but the gram.
	Hey girl, can I have your Insta?
	That's how you gotta do it.
	Can I have your Insta, girl?
	Um...
	But if you look at, I'll just say, Mastodon and NoAgendaSocial.com, it's very comparable.
	It's very usable.
	You could set up one with your friends and then you can federate and you can build your own network.
	I don't understand why no one is interested in this.
	People want an alternative.
	I think they would take an alternative.
	But is it just that no one really wants to deal with it?
	I don't know.
	Does it need to be a company with a CEO who gets tech press in order to launch something like this?
	You know, there's some guys out there who are...
	Yeah, I am asking you.
	There's some guys out there who are...
	Great marketing trick.
	Yeah, we've got an alternative to Twitter.
	We'll never sell your data.
	There's no ads.
	And the first million customers don't have to pay.
	It's free.
	Okay, great.
	I think they've expanded it to the first 10 million customers.
	The way I see it, if it's free, there's a cost.
	There's a cost of free.
	Nothing's free.
	Facebook's not free.
	Understood.
	People should realize that.
	For all the bitching people do about how many characters are on Twitter, what you can or can't do with your photos, is there really no animus amongst younger people to get something started that really doesn't have to cost much?
	If everyone kind of joins in, you could have fun, and no one could turn your pictures off, you could do whatever you want?
	Why is this not happening?
	This used to be what the internet was.
	We're like, oh shit, a new protocol.
	Let's jump on it.
	Wasn't there a bunch of, well, Mastodon's a good example.
	During the Twitter early days, I think it was a couple of products, Pounce or something like that, and some Twitter clones.
	Right, but these were all commercial companies who were trying to make money off of it.
	Oh, you think, oh, I see what you're saying.
	You think something should just show up?
	Look, why do we have a million Linux podcasts, but no one, you know, setting up a Mastodon network for the children?
	Because they're not getting paid.
	Well, there you go, then.
	Okay.
	Well, then everyone gets what they deserve.
	It's not like everybody is...
	For one thing, the people that are very philanthropic to the point where they pretty much give away their time, they give away their expertise, they give away their experience, they give away everything.
	They give away their money, they give away their house, people come in and live there.
	Those types of people, that's a high-end, generous person who just gives away anything.
	Well, hold on.
	What you're describing – They don't have the skills to do what you want them to do.
	What you're describing right now is exactly what the, what, 800, 900 listeners we have?
	What they do.
	They do exactly that.
	They set up websites, they put up resources, they fund the work we do.
	It is possible.
	This is why I'm a little confused.
	To a point, but it's not, as you know, and we've discussed this on the show, what we get, and we have a lot more than 800.
	We have probably 10, 20 times, 20, maybe, maybe, A thousand times that many.
	Thousand, maybe.
	Whatever it is, we have a lot of people that do nothing.
	We have two people today that came on the show and said, you know, I've been listening since 500 as my first donation.
	Two people came on, long-time listeners, they finally donated, which is great.
	And we want that.
	We like to see new people come aboard.
	But there's people out there that have never given us a nickel.
	They've never given us a time of day.
	Some of us just steal our material.
	There's a bunch of people out there that are of the normal ilk.
	They just don't care.
	They don't go off the air tomorrow and never do another show.
	Eh, whatever.
	We can find something else, maybe.
	So I think your opinion of people as a whole is a little optimistic.
	Well, Spooky R in the troll room just says something very prolific.
	Prolific or profound?
	Yes.
	Profound.
	Prophylactic.
	Profound.
	Maybe there's just no value in social networks.
	Maybe people just really don't give a shit.
	And you're sending that message to Mr.
	You Can't Monetize the Network?
	Well, no.
	It's different.
	Not monetizing the network is different from that people actually don't care about it because it's there and they get sucked in and they're hypnotized or whatever, but they really don't like it.
	This is the point of argument.
	I would like to, I'll take one side, or middle side, I don't know what side I'm taking, but there's an assertion, I believe you could make the assertion that If Facebook and Twitter went away tomorrow, it would be different than Amazon going away.
	Like, I wrote a column about Amazon going away, and it would affect everybody.
	Not just because of the...
	Mostly because of AWS. Probably less so because of the store.
	Right.
	But if Facebook and Twitter went away, just stop tomorrow.
	And say they sent everyone an email with all their data that they went through, their photos, everything.
	You got everything back.
	I don't think anyone cares about getting it back either.
	I don't think they care.
	That's probably true.
	I think the world would go on.
	I think there'd be some complaining, and it would just, okay, I don't know what we're going to do.
	Go back to my live journal account.
	Oh, there you go.
	I'm shorting Facebook.
	I don't care how high it goes.
	It has no actual future.
	People don't really want it.
	That's the takeaway.
	Well, this was not a recommendation to short Facebook.
	I'm just saying.
	I guess you didn't get in on that Tesla short, huh, John?
	So it's like...
	Oh, Tesla's short.
	It'll pop back up a little bit.
	It's $250.
	I mean, the potential is zero.
	But we were talking about this $100 ago.
	Yeah, well, that's true.
	$1,100.
	A share.
	Yeah, $1,000 shares would be up at $100,000.
	What am I doing this podcast for?
	Yeah, you should be more aggressive in your portfolio.
	In my portfolio.
	I'll call my guy.
	He has to be a little more aggressive.
	So I think that's possible.
	I think you can make the argument that if these things drop dead, the more people go, well, they'd shrug.
	And maybe go back to calling people on the phone.
	I don't know.
	But then again, I'm not a Facebook user, so I can say these sorts of things.
	Right, but you're a Twitter user, and you definitely like the Twitters.
	If Twitter dropped yet tomorrow, I'd kind of...
	You know what you'd do?
	You'd go back to blogging.
	Yeah, blogging's fine.
	Yeah.
	Hmm.
	I think that's quite a revelation.
	For me, it is, at least.
	People actually want those stuff.
	You agree or not?
	Yeah, I think that people don't actually want these social networks.
	They don't even realize how little fun they're having on them and how it affects their lives.
	I think it's a negative effect on their lives.
	I think a lot of people get depressed and they get into a dimension being.
	They get stuck in there.
	They can't get out.
	Yeah, and no one is thinking if only we could have one that doesn't take our data.
	That's not their problem.
	Their problem is they feel like they have to keep up with the Joneses, have to make sure that they're cool and light.
	People that used to go to high school, now they know what they're up to and they want to keep knowing when they don't need to know any of it.
	Exactly.
	It's actually very bad to know these things.
	I think it destroys lives.
	Yeah, I think we've solved the problem.
	Okay, we're done.
	Well, we fixed all the problems of the world.
	Good to know.
	Well, I give plus one to Spooky R for that one because I hadn't actually considered that people just don't really want it.
	They actually, deep down, subconsciously, don't want this stuff.
	But they feel like they have to be a part of it, and that's why no one is saying it's not the platform that's the problem.
	It's the actions itself.
	Yeah, it's like guns.
	How do you make that comparison?
	It's not the gun that's the problem.
	It's the people who shoot the gun at somebody else and hit him in the head with a bullet.
	Gotcha.
	I like that.
	So, let's go to the census.
	Yes, if I can just say, let me give a little, do you have a background or can I give a little quick background?
	I have a background clip, it's a local clip, which I think was, because California is making the biggest fuss, so I think the local coverage will...
	Well, let me give you just one paragraph, backgrounder, that the way the Republic of the United States of America works is every 10 years, it's written in the Constitution, we have to count how many people are here.
	And I don't think there's any stipulation about anything else but just count the people.
	And that is specifically to determine how many representatives you receive in the federal government.
	That is the only reason for the census.
	And then they started adding on to it.
	Other questions and stuff.
	And I remember getting this...
	20 years ago, I think, in New Jersey.
	And I didn't really know much about it for some reason.
	I didn't know.
	And it was like, you know, penalty of law.
	You must fill this out.
	I'm like, fuck, I'm not filling that out.
	I'm not doing that.
	I want the government to know what I'm doing.
	I didn't realize that it is actually, you have to, it is required by law, I think.
	Can you get, will you get fined or thrown in jail if you don't fill it out?
	I don't think so.
	I mean, you could technically, but I don't think anyone's going to...
	So the reason this is important, as I said, is based upon how many citizens live in your state is how many representatives you'll receive in the Congress.
	And when you add to that...
	Are you a citizen?
	Which is what this debate is about.
	If you have that question there, and if you're an illegal alien and you get this scary note, you have to fill it out by penalty of law, you're probably not going to fill it out at all.
	You don't want to be on the list.
	And I think...
	Yes.
	And maybe everyone will say, I'm a citizen.
	That's fine, too.
	I think that messaging is coming.
	And California lost their crap over this.
	All the liberals all across the country have gone, as one of the talk show guys has said, they've gone ape.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they've gone ape.
	I don't like it.
	That must be a Michael Savage thing.
	You've got to stop listening to him.
	Because they think, oh, wait a minute, we might have less representatives if we can't have everybody counted.
	There's no other reason for it, but their actual reasoning is of such a degree of ludicrously that it's hilarious.
	It's unconstitutional.
	Well, the whole thing, I find that the, so I have the local report, then I have a bunch of clips with With Amy on D and with a writer from Mother Jones saying a lot of weird contradictory stuff that makes no sense.
	But let's start with the census question local.
	California now suing the Trump administration over one single question.
	The question, are you an American citizen?
	The Trump administration says that question will protect voters.
	But California says it'll hurt our state.
	NBC's Blaine Alexander joins us live from Washington with more on this controversy.
	Blaine.
	And Jessica, the California Attorney General, also said today that not only is it the wrong choice, but it is illegal.
	Now, the U.S. Constitution says that the point of the census is to make sure that everyone in the U.S. is accurately counted.
	But some critics say that that cannot happen with this new question if some people are too scared to take it.
	Are you a U.S. citizen?
	It's a question not asked on the 10-year U.S. Census in decades.
	But under the Trump administration, it is coming back in 2020.
	It's going to determine the individuals in our country and provide information that allows us to comply with our own laws.
	The administration says the move was requested by the Justice Department to help protect the rights of voters.
	But critics call it politically motivated.
	Last week, the president's re-election campaign sent this survey to supporters asking them to weigh in.
	What this move potentially does is puts a lot of folks back in the shadows.
	Which likely means shying away from the census altogether.
	There is a very serious, legitimate fear that the census itself could end up being a very inaccurate count.
	A big impact on states with the largest immigrant populations, affecting everything from federal funding to representation in Congress.
	This latest move by the Trump administration to threaten California is not just a bad idea.
	It's against the law.
	The state of California is suing to stop it.
	We lose big if Trump is successful in adding this question on the census.
	So we're going to fight it tooth and nail.
	A growing fight over a single question.
	I really love this.
	This is so fun to watch this unfold.
	First of all, the questions that are asked that have been always asked traditionally include race.
	I remember in the 2010 census, I think there was a big bruja about race.
	You know, having other races as a selection.
	There's always been something that people are always offended.
	And then there's, what sex are you?
	I mean, I can only imagine.
	Where's the outrage over, well, if you're going to put sex, then you have to put gender.
	And then we have to have 63 different checkboxes.
	I mean, no one seems to be upset about that in this particular case.
	But was this not already on the form and it was removed for the 2010 election?
	That's my understanding.
	Yeah, I looked into this because they're making a big fuss about it.
	It's always been on there, even though they say, oh, it's a lie!
	Decades!
	Sarah Sanders, because it hasn't been on since 1950.
	This is not true.
	No.
	But it's not been on the short survey.
	It's been on the long form.
	Oh!
	The long form has always had it.
	And then Sarah Sanders says, until the year 2010...
	But she actually could have said the year 2010 to, because the long form at 2010 was renamed the American Community Survey, which was what the long form of the Census Bureau.
	Became this other thing.
	They decided in 2005 to just rename it to something else.
	And so it's just a different thing.
	And it's sent out separately?
	It's a separate...
	I think only a tenth as many people get it.
	So it doesn't count then?
	It's not part of the actual census?
	No, it is.
	Oh.
	It is.
	It's the long form of the census, because the census comes in two forms.
	One, you just send out how many people in your household, where do you live, and you're done.
	And then the other one is where they're trying to get demographic data, and they're trying to find out how much people are making.
	Psychographics, John.
	Psychographics.
	Well, in this case, I don't think they're getting psychographic data at all.
	I think it's demographic.
	Yeah.
	But they're going through the, you know, how many people in the house, what's the price of your house.
	It's not that detailed, but it's different.
	It's long.
	It's a long form.
	I've seen that once.
	I think I got it 10 years ago.
	And it's just a long form you have to fill out.
	And they just renamed it.
	But the fact is, the long form always had the question, are you a citizen?
	Mm-hmm.
	But everyone's all bent out of shape because no one's talking about the long form or the American community survey.
	Hold on, one more question.
	So in 2010, it was still on the long form?
	They just changed the name of the list?
	No, in 2010, yes.
	No, yes.
	It was on the American Community Survey.
	Right, right, right.
	Which was actually the long form.
	I got it.
	Yeah.
	There's just a bunch of swapping names and procedures and changing this for some reason.
	I think the long form got...
	People thought it was invasive.
	It's part of these complaints.
	And so by changing the name, they figured that would lessen the complaints because it has the word community in it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Seriously, that's got to be it.
	That's great.
	So let's listen to them moan and groan about one thing or another.
	I've got two ways to start.
	Thank you, by the way, for looking into that because I've not heard that mentioned anywhere that it actually always has been on the long form.
	If you go to our show notes, I sent you a link that should be in the show notes.
	Yes.
	From the Federalist, which discusses this in great detail.
	Good.
	And that should go in the show notes, and people can read this article, and it really pretty much...
	It takes a lot of this hysteria out of the argument.
	One more question.
	Is it your understanding that the idea is now to put this on the short form?
	Is that what the problem is going to be?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It was on the short form in 1950, but I think as they developed the long form, they didn't care We just wanted numbers, and in 1950, they were trying to get our numbers up, and there was not an illegal alien problem in 1950.
	There is one now.
	So that's kind of maybe the difference, why they decided to put it back on the long form.
	It used to always be on the short form, and then they moved it to the long form, and then they moved it back to the short form.
	So...
	Well, hold on.
	With that in mind, if none of this had been an issue, then everyone still would have diligently filled out the form.
	I think now that it's become such a big, blown-up issue is why there are a lot of people who may not fill it out.
	Maybe.
	Maybe not.
	Maybe they'll do what you suggested, which is something I haven't heard yet, but I can imagine hearing it.
	Just put, you know, that you're a citizen.
	Who cares?
	Who gives a crap?
	You're an illegal alien anyway.
	What are they going to do?
	And you're going to always say, no taxation without representation, which seems to be the defense.
	That would be good.
	So let's start with the Census 1 breakdown.
	Brewing over the 2020 U.S. Census.
	At least 12 states are moving to sue the Trump administration over plans to add...
	Question.
	Are you a U.S. citizen?
	Voting rights activists fear the question on the upcoming census will deter immigrants from participating in the census, leading to a vast undercount in states with large immigrant communities.
	This could impact everything from the redrawing of congressional maps to the allocation of federal funding.
	This is California's Attorney General Becerra.
	By including a citizenship question which will diminish response rates, the census will not be able to fulfill its constitutional duty to count everyone.
	On Tuesday, White House spokesperson Sarah Sanders said the decision to add a citizenship question was, quote, necessary for the Department of Justice to protect voters.
	The purpose is to determine individuals that are here.
	It also helps to comply with the Voting Rights Act.
	At least five former directors of the Census Bureau who served under Republican and Democratic presidents have written a letter opposing the citizenship question.
	For more, we're joined by Ari Berman, a senior writer at Mother Jones, author.
	Thank you.
	Simple question.
	Are you an American citizen, a U.S. citizen?
	Talk about the significance of this.
	It's one question, but it's a huge question on a huge issue.
	Because the census affects everything in American life, Amy.
	It affects how $675 billion in federal funding is allocated to states and localities.
	It affects how many congressional seats and electoral votes states get.
	It affects...
	It affects how local and federal districts are drawn.
	It affects the data that every institution in America, from corporations to universities to the military, uses to understand their populations.
	And so if the census is rigged, if the census is manipulated, then all of American democracy is rigged and manipulated as a result.
	There's always been a tremendous undercount of people of color by the census.
	In the 2010 census, 1.5 million people of color were undercounted, were not counted by the Census Bureau.
	Is that because the race question was on there?
	It's a possibility, but of color, you're using of color, why?
	Because there's blacks?
	The American citizen who's a black?
	Yeah.
	Are you talking about them?
	Or are you talking about American citizens who are Chinese?
	Are you talking about them?
	They're of color.
	No, you're talking about illegal immigrants, but you're using this.
	I don't know how a black person can put up with this with the Democrats.
	Yeah, really.
	Racist.
	It's just beyond me how black people in this country can put up with this crap of being thrown in the same pot with an illegal alien.
	Like a box of crayons.
	So I found that to be annoying.
	So let's go to clip two.
	All right.
	That undercount could be dramatically larger now under Trump because immigrants are going to be afraid to respond to the census now.
	And so what Donald Trump is doing is he's turning the census, which is a constitutionally mandated act, Every 10 years.
	He's turning the census into a tool of voter suppression, into a tool of nativist resentment.
	And that's so shocking for our democracy.
	Nativist resentment.
	Nice.
	I like that.
	I got that on the list.
	Nativist.
	That's a show title, man.
	Nativist resentment.
	But wouldn't that be American Indians?
	Well, nativist doesn't mean American Indian.
	So he's a nativist as he's a nationalist.
	Okay, got it, got it, got it.
	Hold on a second.
	The thing is that these guys give themselves away.
	It's obvious because when the census came around and black American families went, oh my God, if we fill this out, they'll notice we're black.
	That's the conclusion.
	Well, that's kind of a conclusion.
	The conclusion I come to, though, is when they talk about voter suppression, this whole bit is about Illegal immigrants who are here illegally under one circumstance or another who shouldn't be voting anyway.
	Yeah, but that's the rub.
	they believe that according to you know as you if you read the Constitution representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states according to the respective numbers now they're saying well okay and it's all you're absolutely right it's about having them vote and I guess vote for the Democrats they're saying well if you're taxing them that's half of the law right there if If you're taxing them, then they are supposed to get representation.
	So I would say, let's have no questions, only how many people live here.
	Right?
	You don't have to have age or anything, gender, sex, race.
	None of that is necessary.
	And stop taxing illegals.
	Stop it.
	Make that illegal.
	Well, that's a funny idea.
	Yeah.
	Of course, the simple form is already trains, already left the station.
	People find the information too valuable.
	Yeah.
	But this is about Democrats...
	Which is what Trump said all along, which is kind of interesting.
	That you have all these voters in California mostly.
	That's a state that's really bent out of shape about this.
	Voting for the Democrats.
	That's why the state is so Democrat.
	I mean, there's not a state like this.
	Everything, the legislators are all Democrats.
	The corruption is all Democrats.
	Every local mayor is a Democrat.
	There's some pushback in Orange County, and that's about it.
	This is the only real Republican stronghold.
	But let's move on to clip three.
	What about what Sarah Sanders said?
	Well, there's two unbelievable lies that she told.
	The first lie that she told is that the citizenship question has been asked every sentence.
	It was not just a lie.
	It was an ugly little lie.
	Ugly.
	Just an ugly lie.
	The first lie that she told is that the citizenship question has been asked every sentence since 1965.
	In fact, it hasn't been asked since 1950, when America was a segregated Jim Crow society.
	So it hasn't been asked for nearly 70 years.
	Since Secondly, she said it was removed in 2010, which is completely untrue.
	It wasn't asked during Reagan years, during Bush years.
	No, it hasn't been asked since 1950.
	The question was removed in 1950.
	In fact, they competed, Reagan and Bush, right, to see who was more pro-immigrant.
	Exactly.
	And it's never been used, obviously, when we've had a president who's as outspoken on anti-immigration as Donald Trump.
	The second thing is this is totally unnecessary to enforce the Voting Rights Act.
	A question about citizenship has not been asked since the Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965.
	And it's really hilarious to hear the Trump administration say that they're subtly concerned about enforcing the Voting Rights Act.
	This is an administration that is clearly hostile to voting rights, that hasn't filed a single suit to enforce the Voting Rights Act.
	That has actually backed away from opposing laws like Texas' voter ID law that courts have found violate the Voting Rights Act.
	So you have an administration that is clearly hostile to the Voting Rights Act turning around and saying we need this data to enforce the Voting Rights Act.
	It's an obvious ruse to try to get this data for other purposes.
	Now, brother, this guy's been drinking from the dementia bee fountain.
	No, he's out of control.
	And then the...
	Let's see, what's this one here?
	Clip, that was four, right?
	So let's, clip five, he actually makes a, oh no, we have a clip four first.
	Never mind, sorry.
	Play the census four and then I'll get the five, which has got the best bit on it.
	So for example, California has a larger number of foreign-born residents and undocumented immigrants than any other state in the country.
	California could lose $1,900 per person in federal funding, over $20 billion in federal funding, if immigrants don't respond to the census.
	Not only that, they could lose multiple congressional seats and electoral votes.
	There's only 435 electoral votes in the country, Amy.
	This is a fixed number.
	So if California loses two congressional votes, and let's say a state that's more white and more conservative gains electoral votes, that's going to affect the entire presidential election.
	Not all illegal immigrants are brown, Broseph.
	In New York City, most of them are from Europe.
	Just overstay their visa and they're working in restaurants.
	There's a lot of Arabs.
	There's tons, but okay, in the racist mind of this jamoke.
	See if you can figure out what the real goal is of this guy, democracy now and everybody in between that's all bent out of shape about this.
	In clip five, there's a little gaffe that really says everything.
	Ari, what do you say to those who say, well, undocumented people shouldn't be represented in Congress, undocumented people shouldn't be getting federal funding?
	Well, it's always been the case that districts have been drawn based on total population, not citizenship.
	This actually just went to the Supreme Court a few years ago, and the Supreme Court two years ago rolled unanimously eight Ah, okay.
	Well, this is very interesting.
	Actually, tell me what the gaffe is.
	How do you find this to be a gaffe?
	Well, there's a gaffe.
	It's about two-thirds of the way through.
	And then he digs himself out of it very elegantly, if you weren't paying attention.
	I'm going to listen to it again.
	Well, wait.
	I'll tell you what it is in advance, so we don't have to spend too much time.
	He says everybody in the country deserves citizenship.
	Yeah.
	No, he said the Supreme Court said that.
	No, no.
	Well, the way he phrases it, yeah, that's what he says.
	Then he digs himself out because that's not what was said.
	He digs himself out.
	But he's thinking.
	He's the one who thinks.
	Like all the Democrats in California.
	Everyone who's here deserves.
	You somehow get into California, boom, auto-citizenship.
	All right, so I understand why you're calling it a gap.
	But what he's really saying is the argument that I thought he would come up with was, well, you know, no taxation without representation.
	That's what that is about.
	Yeah, he's fine with it, but that's another self-contradictory problem.
	Because if that's true, just click the box.
	You're not a citizen.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So why are you so paranoid about it?
	Let me listen again.
	At least the court a few years ago and the Supreme Court two years ago ruled unanimously 8-0 that districts should be drawn based on total population and not citizenship because they said everyone who's here deserves citizenship, deserves citizenship meaning the ability to be represented whether or not they are or not a citizen.
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, I understand how he dug himself out.
	Yeah.
	But that is the thinking.
	Anyone who's here, you deserve to vote for us.
	Yeah, you deserve to vote Democrat.
	You deserve to vote Democrat.
	We're on your side.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, this is what Fox News is on about continuously.
	Oh, Fox.
	I can't even watch that anymore.
	You can't watch any of it.
	You can't watch any.
	That's why I'm watching Democracy Now!
	That's the...
	What am I stuck watching Democracy Now?
	And the crap is showing up there, too.
	This is unbelievable.
	Yeah, but at least it's more extreme and funnier to clip.
	Yeah.
	Agreed.
	And then you have a rap.
	Right.
	Let's try the census wrap, which may be actually the beginning, but okay.
	At least 12 states say they'll sue the Trump administration over its plans to add a question about citizenship to the upcoming census.
	Voting rights activists say the question will deter immigrants from participating in the census, which is used to allocate public funds and draw congressional districts.
	This is White House spokesperson Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
	Okay, we already got this.
	So, I think my solution is the obvious one.
	It's like, let's just have no questions on it.
	Just start with that.
	Yeah, your solution is not workable.
	I mean, I like the idea you do this, but realistically, your solution is no good, because no one's going to even think...
	Oh, well, that's why I'm a podcaster, John, and not in D.C. making laws, obviously, and my ideas are too smart.
	But how will this end?
	I mean, this is not going to...
	They're not going to...
	End this with lawsuits?
	That's not going to happen.
	Well, when you read the Federalist article, which is in the show notes, you'll find that most of the...
	This is all blather.
	These guys that say it's illegal to do this, it's California, they're going to sue.
	Nothing's like...
	They can't.
	There's no...
	They got no foundation.
	It's not illegal.
	It's nothing they can sue over.
	Then they will have to move over to the messaging.
	let's think about how this would best be done.
	That's what they'll do.
	Exactly what they're going to do.
	Right.
	So they can get people to illegally check the box saying I'm a citizen, which I think would be illegal by promoting that, which I can see them doing these guys.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Will the Dem will the Democratic Party attempt to message the, That it's okay.
	Maybe we need some in-depth reporting on what happens with the census to show that no, ICE doesn't look at it.
	The database is protected.
	I believe I have some ideas on how to do this correctly.
	You do stories about How ICE looked at these things and this is, I'm a citizen.
	Oh, we can't go bust them.
	They're citizens.
	Let's go someplace else and arrest them instead.
	Ah, yes.
	Well, we're going to have to have instructional videos coming out in the form of news reports.
	Yeah.
	We need some man on the street, you know, which is easy because you just chop out the ones.
	For the purposes of this census, you are a citizen.
	Think of that.
	Think of it that way.
	Yeah.
	Are you going to check citizen on the box?
	You should.
	Yes.
	Everyone's doing it.
	Well, I'm from Mexico.
	I've never got a citizen.
	Oh, but you're living here, right?
	Yeah.
	That makes you a citizen.
	Yeah.
	So what we're going to see is redefinition of the word citizen.
	Yes.
	What is the definition of citizen?
	I don't know.
	I only know from those movies.
	What do you mean?
	The ones where the giant bugs are attacking Earth?
	What is that?
	And they say, hello, Citizen?
	We have clips.
	You used to play the clip all the time.
	Hello, Citizen.
	Yeah, that's from Batman, actually.
	No, it's...
	No.
	I've got those clips.
	No.
	That's from these movies.
	Somebody in the chat room knows what I'm talking about.
	Well, I can play it for you because I have it here.
	Hey, Citizen.
	Hold on.
	Yeah, this is the long version.
	A man who calls himself a citizen!
	A man who is no better than a bug!
	That man is Elmo Ghaniff, a self-proclaimed pacifist turned terrorist.
	And today, he and other members of the Ghaniff Peace Coalition are wanted in connection with the council bombing.
	And hey, citizen, you can help.
	Know your neighbors?
	Fill that f***ing thing up!
	Take another look, Citizen.
	No, that's where it's from.
	What's from?
	Hey, Citizen.
	There you go.
	Hey, Citizen.
	It's from Batman.
	Well, I have some, I get some clips from the other show, which has a lot of, you can become a citizen.
	Does anyone know the name of the movies we're talking about?
	There's like five of them.
	Starship Troopers?
	Yes.
	Starship Troopers.
	A citizen, a native or naturalized member of a state or nation who owes allegiance to its government and is entitled to its protection.
	Yeah.
	Well, there you go.
	And the thing that bothers me about this whole thing is that there are illegal immigrants who've joined the army somehow and served the country...
	And then they want to kick him out of the country.
	I mean, those people, it seems to me, should be automatically made citizens.
	It's a lot of work.
	To join the army and go into battle?
	Don't you think these guys should get some special...
	You know, treatment?
	Well, if I'm looking at Merriam-Webster, and words do matter, particularly when it comes to politics, because these fuckers are all lawyers.
	Uh-oh, there goes our...
	Microsoft's gonna kill our...
	Oh, oops, oops, Skype just...
	Yeah, Skype could go down any minute.
	Definition of citizen.
	Inhabitant of a city or town, especially one entitled to the rights and privileges of a free man...
	A member of a state, a native or naturalized person who owes allegiance to a government and is entitled to protection from it, and then a civilian as distinguished from a specialized servant of the state.
	Soldiers are sent to protect the citizens.
	This is very interesting.
	I think it's arguable.
	I don't think...
	I mean, yes, if you're going to go by bookish definitions, it is very arguable, but if you go by, you know, common sense, it seems to me that somebody goes into the army...
	You mean like our common sense gun regulation and our common sense comprehensive immigration reform?
	Is that what you mean by common sense?
	No, not at all.
	Of course.
	Of course I don't.
	But it seems to me that somebody goes into the army and serves our country for two, three, four years or however long...
	And he's a Mexican immigrant and he does this?
	I don't get it.
	He's just not automatically made a citizen.
	Here's your discharge papers.
	Here's your citizenship papers.
	Boom.
	I'm going to be on the lookout for the messaging.
	They know that the legal angle is not going to work.
	So they've got to come up with some other ruse.
	And they can't do it by just saying to do this, because that would be, I think that's illegal.
	But they can hint at it.
	But yeah, here's how you hint about it.
	If no census comes in from a dwelling, that's suspicious.
	If a census comes in from a dwelling where, no, I'm not a U.S. citizen, you're going to get investigated.
	If a census comes in from a dwelling that says, yes, we're U.S. citizens, you've probably got nothing to worry about.
	That would be the messaging.
	That would be the messaging, yes.
	I agree.
	Again, we solve it all on this show.
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	I caught something very interesting from a member of the EU Starfleet Command Parliament.
	Apparently, and I don't know if this is just pile-jumping or what's going on, but according to him, and I have a little clip here, The EU has been working for years on a peace treaty with North Korea, secretly.
	And now they're coming out and saying, well, we've been doing that.
	Oh, really?
	I guess I didn't know.
	And what you'll hear him say is something that we learned from my Uncle Don, who was ambassador in South Korea and ran the CIA station, and has been to North Korea multiple times.
	In fact, didn't he meet, I think he met his dad, didn't he?
	Uh...
	Ill?
	Kim Jong-il?
	Yeah, because he asked for DVDs and movies.
	Yeah, definitely.
	We gave him recommendations for movies.
	What did we have?
	Like, American President?
	No, I don't remember.
	We had a whole bunch of Blazing Saddles.
	I think we had that one in there.
	I think the Koreans are getting a kick out of that.
	But we learned from Uncle Don that really it's been armistice.
	You know, it's like a weapons truce.
	There's no peace agreement with North Korea, and that's all they've really wanted.
	Here's this jamoke from the European Parliament.
	A European Parliament delegation has revealed that it's been holding secret talks with North Korea for the past three years to try to persuade Pyongyang to negotiate an end to its nuclear program.
	The group's leader told Euronews that they've held over 15 meetings in three years and that there is an appetite for peace in North Korea.
	It's the longest armistice in human history.
	64 years.
	And do you know that the North Koreans have been asking for a peace treaty for 64 years?
	And they haven't been given a peace treaty or no one wants to sit down, talk about a peace treaty.
	There you go.
	They've been having secret times.
	What a bunch of losers.
	Why?
	Why?
	Coming in late.
	Coming in late.
	Hey, hey, hey.
	Oh, Trump might get...
	Oh, no, no, no, no.
	We've been doing this longer than you guys.
	Yeah, we want to be...
	We want to get the Nobel Peace Prize, too.
	We want the credit for this, not you.
	We want credit, yes.
	Guys.
	This is the problem with this operation.
	Yeah.
	One of the many problems with the operation, as far as I'm concerned, anyway.
	Yeah.
	Not a big fan, obviously.
	And what is up with the FBI, man?
	What is up with those guys?
	I don't know.
	What's up with them?
	Well, geez.
	I mean, they do everything.
	I mean, it's not like we haven't been following this through our six-week cycle for years, how every six weeks we got to get some patsy and we'll rouse them up and then we'll go and commit some act of terrorism, but we'll give them a fake bomb or the FBI escorted the terrorists and Who, you know, shot up or tried to kill people, but shot up the Muhammad cartoon contest in Garland, Texas.
	Then we had...
	Well, we knew about Omar Mateen, that there was a lot of fishy stuff with the FBI and Mateen.
	They'd investigated him before.
	Turned out there was nothing going on.
	Of course, the same thing with...
	With the Florida school shooter, they dropped the ball on that.
	And now we hear, conveniently at this moment, that this guy's dad, who we already pegged as a shill because we knew he was in with Hillary and he was photographed in the State Department.
	We knew something was up.
	You're talking about hog?
	No, I'm talking about Omar Mateen, the Pulse nightclub shooter.
	In the latest motion overnight, Noor Salman's attorneys are seeking a dismissal of her criminal charges or a mistrial.
	It comes after the defense says they just learned in an email from prosecutors on Saturday that Pulse gunman Omar Mateen's father was a confidential FBI source from 2005 through June 2016.
	In the days after the Pulse attack, Sadiq Mateen did several interviews condemning his son's actions.
	I don't approve what he did.
	What he did was completely act of terrorist.
	The defense also says the new email reveals Sadiq Mateen is under a criminal investigation for money transfers to Turkey and Pakistan.
	They say those were found during a search of his home on the day of the Pulse attack.
	According to Salman's attorneys, the late disclosure of information prevented them from exploring if Sadiq Mateen knew of his son's plan, and if so, there would have been no need for Salman to create a cover story, as the government alleges.
	In the motion, the defense speculates that the decision not to give Salman a polygraph was possibly, quote, based on the FBI's desire to implicate Noor Salman rather than Sadiq Mateen in order to avoid scrutiny of its own ineptitude with the latter.
	This is problematic.
	I guess.
	I mean, we've gone...
	I'm still harking back to the...
	If you remember those two guys in Boston and they go to Florida to interview some kid that knows them or something and then guns them down in his bedroom in a private conversation.
	If you remember that.
	Yeah.
	It's just the operation.
	It's like the Keystone Cops.
	Well, it seems like we're more interested in porn stars than actual news that affects people.
	We're about it.
	And those other guys who rip us off.
	What's their name again?
	What's their podcast again?
	I can't remember.
	But the other thing is we have...
	I got the biggest kick out of...
	What's the name of the guys on CNN? The Cuomo guy.
	Yeah.
	Coming off and saying, well, you know, this is bull crap.
	We, you know, we respect gun rights and the Second Amendment is never going to be under attack.
	And then all of a sudden, one of the old hacks from a Republican appointee, by the way, and that's one of the point I'm going to make with this clip.
	This is the Second Amendment on democracy now being discussed.
	Repeal the Second Amendment.
	That's the recommendation of retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens writing in a New York Times op-ed published Tuesday.
	He praises the youth protesters who staged Saturday's massive worldwide marches, the March for Our Lives.
	He also writes, quote, a constitutional amendment to get rid of the Second Amendment would be simple and would do more to weaken the NRA's ability to stymie legislative debate and block constructive gun control legislation than any other I'm all in on that.
	You know my stance.
	I want to see that.
	Let's do it.
	Well, if they want to do it, they got to do it.
	So Trump tweets after this, the Second Amendment will never be repealed as much as Democrats would like to see this happen.
	I kind of agree with that.
	And despite the words yesterday of former Supreme Court Justice Stevens, no way.
	We need more Republicans in 2018 and must always hold the Supreme Court, meaning, you know, we get to pick the guys.
	The irony to that tweet is that Stevens was picked by a Republican.
	So there you have it.
	Oh, man.
	I'm all for it.
	I'm happy to hear this.
	I'm glad it's coming back up again.
	They're going to make a move for it.
	The thinking is, amongst the right-wingers, is that the Democrats, and I think there's some truth to this, They're feeling their oats because they know they're going to kick ass in 2018, probably take over the House and the Senate, maybe, or one or the other, maybe neither, but they think they're going to do it.
	And so now they're feeling like they say, oh, the Republicans loves us Democrats.
	And so they're starting to reveal themselves in ways that they shouldn't, because normally they kind of You know, they don't say stuff like repeal the Second Amendment.
	I mean, they say, we don't need more gun control.
	But the Second Amendment always seems safe.
	But now they're saying, people love whatever we say is gospel.
	Let's repeal the Second Amendment.
	So the progressives are all over this saying, yeah, yeah, let's repeal it.
	Then I guess I'm a progressive.
	Yeah, let's go for it.
	I don't want to repeal it, but I love the process to take place.
	Let's do it.
	Come on!
	Well, here's the thing, the little thing, if you want to get, if you're in an argument with somebody on the Dimension B side, and they say, well, we're going to have to do this, you know, you should always bring up the Equal Rights Amendment.
	You should say, well, you ever know what happened to the Equal Rights Amendment?
	And that was a positive thing.
	It's not repealing.
	You know, there's a thesis, even though it's not necessarily true, because with prohibition, it was proved wrong.
	Generally speaking, the Constitution is amended to give more rights, not take rights away.
	Yes.
	Especially the Bill of Rights.
	Good point.
	To take something off the Bill of Rights, which was really considered very important during the founding, would be like you're taking rights away, and that's bad.
	And the Equal Rights Amendment was adding rights.
	It was giving women equal rights.
	And so you just bring it up and say, well, what happened to that?
	You had a big deal.
	It went through Congress, and it went to the states, and then what happened?
	It just died.
	It never passed.
	This Equal Rights Amendment, despite what a lot of women...
	But see, why would I say that?
	This is one of the rare moments.
	Oh, no, you want it to happen.
	But if you were argumentative, I'm not talking to you.
	I'm talking about the producers out there who will get into a fight with someone.
	Ah, okay, I gotcha.
	They're going to say, what happened to the Equal Rights Amendment?
	It never got passed by the states.
	So what makes you think this, which takes rights away, will get passed by the states when the Equal Rights Amendment, which added rights...
	Yeah.
	Didn't go anywhere.
	But you see, this is about the children.
	So, of course we're going to do it.
	Because it's about the children.
	The Girl Children.
	The Equal Rights Amendment is about the children.
	It's about children, John.
	That's what it's all about.
	And the children.
	They are the ones that have taught us how to do it right.
	We're so dumb.
	I've been saying that this hog character, this kid, that he's going to run into trouble because you just can't use the media machine without it eventually providing some blowback.
	And of course, with the internet, it's gotten much worse.
	And he's already running into some trouble where his story is not straight.
	His story is he's a victim, a victim of the shooting who is speaking out, as referenced by this clip.
	Well, I was in my AP environmental science class when the first gunshot rang out.
	Immediately we looked around our classroom and told the teacher...
	There he is saying I was in my class.
	But then there's this other one from CBS. I got my camera and got on my bike and rode as fast as I could three miles from my house to the school to get as much video and get on as many interviews as I could.
	Oh.
	Oops.
	Oops.
	So, he's a fake hero, which is one of the worst things you can do in America, by the way.
	Oh, yeah.
	You're toast.
	You're going to be a fake hero?
	I just don't think that kid's that bright.
	That's why that happened.
	Can't keep his story straight.
	He's a kid.
	He's an abused kid at this point.
	An abused child.
	Of course.
	Of course.
	You can't blame him.
	He thinks, you know, this is like the biggest face bag like you could ever receive.
	Pfft.
	But you've got to be careful, because it will turn on you.
	And of course, no news about this in Pennsylvania.
	The attack began just as classes were about to start.
	We've got multiple victims here.
	We need ambulances here as soon as possible.
	Students scattered as the attacker moved between classrooms and into the hallway.
	Police say he used two knives.
	Me and Mikesner saw him attack another boy.
	What did you think was happening when you saw them on the ground?
	I thought they were fighting at first and I didn't think much of it at the time until I saw blood and then I knew something was really wrong.
	Some victims described a sensation of being punched and not realizing they were stabbed.
	Classmates used paper towels to apply pressure to wounds until help arrived.
	Dr.
	Mark Rubino.
	They seem to actually almost have a pattern.
	Most of them were to the right lower abdomen and the right flank.
	And that created some of the criticality of their wounds.
	A wounded student pulled a fire alarm to get people out of the building.
	The rampage ended when a campus police officer and a vice principal tackled the suspect.
	I didn't really know personally that Just didn't really care about what other people did.
	The teenager had a relatively low profile online.
	Scott, at this hour, investigators tell us they are busy analyzing his computers.
	They also tell us that the knives he was using were as long as 10 inches.
	As long as 10 inches.
	That doesn't fit the storyline.
	Well, no, but it's 21 kids wounded.
	And I understand it's not comparable, but it's still kids in school.
	Being stabbed.
	Yes.
	You can't put the gun thing up.
	No, no, no.
	This cannot be talked about.
	You got to lose.
	You got to lose.
	Credibility is just shot with everything and everybody.
	It's sad.
	It's so sad.
	I didn't even know that story.
	That's my point.
	I know.
	Because they don't play it.
	This is not to be discussed.
	No.
	China is reportedly taking steps now to pay for oil in yuan instead of U.S. dollars.
	Uh-oh.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	This is according to Reuters.
	That is a very, very poorly thought out idea.
	And they're one of the biggest buyers of oil.
	Yeah.
	So we can't have this, can we?
	No.
	No, it's not allowed.
	What do we typically do?
	We either shoot somebody or take over the place.
	We can't do that, so I think it's too difficult.
	You never know.
	You have riots, that's always good.
	Yeah.
	Or sink their economy.
	Well, we typically kill people.
	Qaddafi, we kill them.
	Yeah, mostly kill them.
	But we can't go killing the Chinese.
	A little too up there on the ladder.
	Why?
	Well, there's an assassination attempt on the guy who just took over.
	I mean, here's the way you would play it if you were going to do a game.
	You have the guy gets killed by a Chinese dissident, of course.
	With Novichok's.
	Well, I don't think that's going to work again.
	Well, why not?
	We could blame it on Russia.
	I don't think we want to blame it on Russia.
	We want to blame it on a Chinese dissident.
	Okay.
	Because the Chinese dissident is irked about the guy taking perpetual power.
	He's become the emperor.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	The Russians, it doesn't make any sense that the Russians would do this.
	But it makes sense that a Chinese dissident that would do it because he...
	He's irked about this guy becoming an emperor by eliminating elections in the future.
	And boom, it's all solved.
	And then meanwhile, a little messaging could maybe make them stop this idea.
	Well, eyes on it for sure.
	This is not good.
	I got a pothole clip for you.
	Oh, potholes.
	Yes, yes, a pothole clip.
	You're always upset about the potholes.
	You don't necessarily have to tell her.
	I can't tell you how many.
	I'm going to start making movies.
	Of the potholes.
	Well, see, the thing is, you've got to get into the news.
	And there's a kid in Michigan, a dude, a kid, dude, and he came up with a novel idea to get on the news to bring attention to the horrible potholes.
	A college student in Michigan made an interesting use of a pothole.
	To draw attention to this pothole near his house, he filled it with cereal.
	He poured in some milk.
	No.
	And he had breakfast.
	No.
	And he did, yes, the pothole as cereal bowl.
	The kid's Twitter video here getting viral with thousands of views.
	He said if he was blindfolded, though, the taste was the same.
	Bowl, pothole, he couldn't tell the difference.
	Little lucky charms there in the old pothole in Michigan.
	I think you could have done that.
	Michigan is really apparently a pothole central.
	Oh, really?
	It's the nexus of potholes.
	Doesn't surprise me.
	And a brief note from Sir Pent.
	Adam, ITM, just a piece of vernacular that I've noticed my millennial friends using recently that is above and beyond the contractions you've been taunting John with on the show.
	Have I been taunting you with these?
	No!
	Pretty and very have been contracted.
	All the way to P and V. As in, that's V cool.
	Or I'm feeling P good.
	To emphasize things, they just say the actual letter louder.
	V sweet, my dude.
	What is strange about this, I've noticed it more in talking than in text.
	It does come up in text, though less frequently.
	Interesting.
	I think we should use that.
	No, no.
	It's very interesting.
	You can use it.
	Okay.
	Dig yourself into a deeper hole.
	Okay.
	I have a clip that was kind of, I think is foreboding, that nobody really noticed.
	This is from the nightly business news.
	And I've always said, you know, I think at some point...
	Trump is going to get a little fed up with the Washington Post.
	Yes.
	That point has appeared, I believe.
	Yes, I have made that point a lot.
	And tell me if you can kind of pick up something in this little clip about Amazon and how they gloss over a little tidbit, which seems to me to be a shot over the bow.
	...trillion dollars in value.
	And so now some are questioning whether tech's dominant position in the market is over.
	Bapassani explains.
	The market's tone has shifted.
	Just two weeks ago, it was all about tariffs and trade wars.
	Now there's new uncertainty around technology and what effect that might have on earnings.
	Facebook's data scandal has thrown social media into an existential crisis.
	Then you've got Nvidia's driverless car issues and Tesla's credit downgrade.
	Apple's getting hit after Goldman cut iPhone sales estimates this year.
	And now there's word that President Donald Trump might go after Amazon's tax treatment.
	Here's the problem.
	Technology has gotten way too big for its britches.
	Pass that right over.
	Just go right over that.
	The tax problem?
	Yeah.
	Trump has hinted it's going to do something about Amazon's tax status.
	I mean, just look into it.
	Well, can you lift the veil a tad?
	No, I have no idea what they're going to be up to.
	I just know that at some point...
	Trump's going to get fed up with the Washington Post, which is just a...
	Wait, and he's going to use the IRS to retaliate?
	Seriously?
	Yeah, that's never been done before, right?
	Yeah, that's why I'd be pretty pissed if he did that.
	He's done it.
	The Democrats did it.
	I know, I know, I know.
	I was pissed about that, too.
	I'm just saying.
	Yeah, Nixon did it.
	They all do it.
	There's a lie that they don't do this.
	And then Amazon, of course, is Jeff Bezos, and Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post, and this is the way to do it.
	You don't even go bother with the Washington Post.
	You bother with Amazon.
	Take billions of dollars of net worth away from the world's richest guy.
	Yeah, why are they just glossing over that?
	Are they not in the news business?
	They just said it as though they're reading from a prompt and they don't even care to comment on it.
	I mean, I'm the only one who seems to notice this.
	Yeah, CNBC was on that.
	They were on all of this.
	The same story about, oh, tech stocks, oh, it's over.
	But the solution is to buy.
	Yeah, that's CNBC. It's over, but buy now.
	Buy the dips.
	Yeah, buy on the dips.
	Buy on the dips.
	Hey, Bojo spoke out about the poisoning.
	Bojo being Boris Johnson in Gitmo Nation East.
	He is the foreign minister.
	Detectives investigating the attempted murders of ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter are now focusing on his Salisbury home after high concentrations of a nerve agent were found on his front door.
	Meanwhile, at a London banquet, Britain's Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson poured scorn over Russian denials of involvement.
	First they told us that Novotok never existed.
	Then they told us that it did exist, but they had destroyed the stocks.
	And then they said that the attempted murder of Sergei and Yulia Skripal was revenge for Britain's supposed poisoning of Ivan the Terrible.
	Well, we did it to spoil the World Cup.
	In fact, the Foreign Office has so far counted 24 such ludicrous fibs.
	Stripal and his daughter Yulia remain in a critical condition in hospital.
	They're under heavy sedation and are unable to communicate.
	Oh, maybe stop sedating them so they can answer some questions.
	Of course, somebody pointed out that near this town, Salisbury, I think is where they were, within five miles is where the British...
	Yeah, 12 kilometers, I think.
	12 kilometers, the British have their...
	Port and Downs.
	Yeah, the gas, they can make this gas there, right nearby.
	That's kind of what they do up there, right nearby.
	And so they could make this Novichuk, or whatever it is, and poison somebody, and it looks like the Russians did it, and framed the Russians and used their own gas.
	That's why they won't give samples to the Russians.
	Exactly.
	I did get a note from our OPCW producer who works at OPCW, which is the organization for the...
	What's the P stand for?
	Oh, just say P these days.
	The organization P Chemical Weapons.
	Dear Adam and John, I take my job seriously, so when we get a gag order about...
	Good note.
	Yes, I take my job seriously, so when we get a gag order about the OPCW mission in London, I abide by that rule, which means he got a gag order.
	What I can say, though, is that what we eventually will know is not what the public might get to know.
	It's up to the British government.
	Kind of like we've gone back to 2003 with WMD. I hope not.
	Well, thank you.
	Yeah, so in other words, these guys have been told to shut up.
	Mm-hmm.
	Slave.
	Yes.
	Shut up, Bigley.
	And we also got a note, which I put in the show notes.
	I don't know if that doesn't make anybody suspicious of what's going on here.
	I don't know what does.
	Yeah, I think he already went out.
	And I think, by the way, in my opinion, this is just to throw more bullcrap at the Brexit vote.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	The Russians.
	The Russians.
	Because look how well it worked with the Americans.
	They're still talking about this stuff.
	Yeah.
	And it's like, they blame the Russians for everything.
	So let's start doing the same thing, and then maybe we need a redo on that Brexit vote.
	Right.
	Because now we know, because of all the people dying, as you pointed out, and, you know, the kids, the kids don't care.
	They don't care about the Great Britain, the English Empire, British Empire.
	No.
	They just want to go take free vacations through the...
	It's bad.
	Yes.
	We also got a note from one of our producers, Bill.
	It's kind of long, so I want you to read it in the show notes.
	But he explains exactly what the critical weaknesses are with our grids and how the systems work.
	And to make a long story short, the type of security they have, which involves scrambling packets, but all these facilities scramble the packets the same way, which means there's a single source of the decoding algorithm.
	He says, and that's...
	Single point of failure.
	Yes.
	Always a problem.
	Yeah, and he says that he scrambles his packets differently, and when they did a test, they could bring everybody down within 10 seconds, but they couldn't do it to his network because they couldn't figure out what he had done.
	I'm like, well, doesn't it make sense to adjust your entire strategy if this is what our producer Bill is figuring out?
	Seems so.
	Yeah.
	They want to have one giant grid, a smart grid, so anyone can break it down and then blame somebody else.
	That's the only thing that makes sense.
	And finally, from the mail bin, producer Dan says, Just took a flight tonight, as I do every two weeks, on the San Jose to San Francisco route.
	At least for small dogs, I witnessed one in PreCheck get the walk through the metal detector treatment with its owner.
	So apparently all a terrorist has to do is get PreCheck and you're in for the implanted pooch.
	Another security failure of the...
	Waiting to happen.
	Yes, of the police states.
	Of the dynamite in the butt theory.
	One of these days it's going to happen and we're going to be gobsmacked.
	You like using that word.
	Second time I used it today, I know.
	And you used it in the last show.
	It's a good word.
	It's British.
	It's a Britishism.
	I reject such things.
	I'm sorry.
	Well, give us a happy clip to get us out of here.
	Or something fun.
	I have a clip.
	This is not a short clip, though.
	But it's educational.
	This is a guy who came and testified about climate change in 2006 because this was the moment in time where they were trying to mess with the Middle Age warming phenomenon that took place because of the sun or whatever, because there was no CO2 at the time.
	And he talks about some of the way the calculations are done.
	It's before Congress.
	And nobody, of course, paid any attention to anything he had to say, but I found the thing very educational.
	I think we can go out with a long educational clip.
	I am a geologist and geophysicist.
	I have a bachelor's degree in geology from Indiana University and a PhD in geophysics from the University of Utah.
	My field of specialization in geophysics is temperature and heat flow.
	In recent years, I have turned my studies to the history and philosophy of science.
	In 1995, I published a short paper in the academic journal Science.
	In that study, I reviewed how borehole temperature data recorded a warming of about 1 degree Celsius in North America over the last 100 to 150 years.
	The week the article appeared, I was contacted by a reporter for National Public Radio.
	He offered to interview me, but only if I would state that the warming was due to human activity.
	When I refused to do so, he hung up on me.
	I had another interesting experience around the time my paper in science was published.
	I received an astonishing email from a major researcher in the area of climate change.
	He said, quote, we have to get rid of the medieval warm period, unquote.
	The medieval warm period was a time of unusually warm weather that began around 1000 AD and persisted until a cold period known as the Little Ice Age took hold in the 14th century.
	Warmer climate brought a remarkable flowering of prosperity, knowledge, and art to Europe during the High Middle Ages.
	The existence of the medieval warm period had been recognized in the scientific literature for decades, but now it was a major embarrassment to those maintaining that the 20th century warming was truly anomalous.
	It had to, quote, be gotten rid of, unquote.
	In 1769, Joseph Priestley warned that scientists overly attached to a favorite hypothesis would not hesitate to warp the whole course of nature.
	In 1999, Michael Mann and his colleagues published a reconstruction of past temperature in which the medieval warm period simply vanished.
	This unique estimate became known as the hockey stick because of the shape of the temperature graph.
	Normally in science, when you have a novel result, that appears to overturn previous work, you have to demonstrate why the earlier work was wrong.
	But the work of Mann and his colleagues was initially accepted uncritically, even though it contradicted the results of more than 100 previous studies.
	Other researchers have since reaffirmed that the medieval warm period was both warm and global in its extent.
	There is an overwhelming bias today in the media regarding the issue of global warming.
	In the past two years, this bias has bloomed into an irrational hysteria.
	Every natural disaster that occurs is now linked with global warming no matter how tenuous or impossible the connection.
	As a result, the public has become vastly misinformed on this and other environmental issues.
	Earth's climate system is complex and poorly understood.
	But we do know that throughout human history, warmer temperatures have been associated with more stable climates and increased human health and prosperity.
	Colder temperatures have been correlated with climatic instability, famine, and increased human mortality.
	The amount of climatic warming that has taken place in the past 150 years is poorly constrained, and its cause, human or natural, is unknown.
	There is no sound scientific basis for predicting future climate change with any degree of certainty.
	And how long has he been dead?
	I don't know.
	That's a good question.
	But that's in 2006, and that's kind of...
	That's really interesting.
	And this was...
	What was his name again?
	Oh, I don't have his name.
	He was a professor at one of the colleges.
	I had his name.
	Oh, that would be kind of important to have.
	I'll get his name.
	It's not that hard to find.
	You can dig him up.
	And where was this testimony held?
	This is before, I think, the Senate Committee on Climate or something like that.
	Oh, my goodness.
	And that's it.
	12 years ago.
	That's your history lesson.
	Then we have a jingle for it.
	The science is in.
	Adam Curry.
	Sorry.
	Woo!
	A little enthusiastic.
	Do another show.
	Enthusiasm is everything.
	All right, everybody.
	That was good.
	I like that.
	One of the few shows where that can be done.
	You can just listen to something.
	We didn't even interrupt.
	No.
	Nothing to say.
	Nothing to say.
	Danny Luce, thank you.
	Let me see Intrepid Demise.
	Thank you.
	And who else do we have?
	We've got a couple of end-of-show clips we'll be playing for you.
	And that means it's the end of this broadcast, but we'll be back on Sunday right here on No Agenda.
	Please remember us at thevorak.org slash NA. Here to guard your reality, it's quite apparent from today's show, no one else's.
	And coming to you from downtown Austin, Texas, capital of the Drone Star State, FEMA Region No.
	6, in the 5x9 Cludio in the Common Law Condo.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We return on Sunday right here on No Agenda.
	Until then, as always, adios, mofos!
	Hey, give me a cab.
	turn around drop them You told Donald Trump to turn around and take off his pants?
	Yes.
	And did he?
	Yes.
	So he turned around and pulled his pants down a little.
	He had underwear on and stuff, and I just gave him a couple swats.
	Ah!
	We'll be right back.
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	People like me from previous months, okay?
	Because they're stupid Scavengers, they're like scavengers You're living in a room to make-a-lipers And they're like, I'm going to make-a-lipers We want another drill
	In the private sector, we couldn't get a job, believe me One of the great sleazebags We want jobs, no jobs, jobs
	But it shows that he's weak.
	Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, dot mm.
	The total lighting.
	Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh,aki's terrible.
	Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, PT.
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	No!
	Get those lights off!
	Thanks to you, Ed.
	Is this Crown Hog Day 2?
	We are watching That Was Attorney General Eric Holder, ABD, about some Republicans at Home are already beating the drums of war.
	Today, the Pentagon refuted that claim.
	And he said the American people do not want him to, quote, dwindling.
	They do not want him dwindling his thumbs.
	You can get a gig as a contortionist.
	Intravenous fluids and pills coated with gelatin.
	Weed.
	Don't leave our women or men in uniform behind.
	It's a monument to the hubris of Dick Cheney.
	Representative Raul Ara Labrador.
	Years of abuse.
	I personally apologize to Mr.
	Peebus.
	Just ask.
	To soon-to-be former congressman.
	Democrats are outright jitty.
	CIA's counter-terrorism center.
	Veteran Affairs Secretary Shinschetti.
	Why do I always mess up his name?
	Shinseki.
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