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	I'm doing a side hustle.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, March 22nd, 2018, and this is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 1018.
	This is no agenda.
	Acting as your belt of truth and breastplate of righteousness and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone, Star State, Austin Tejas, in the Cludio, in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where it's pouring rain and I'm pouring tea.
	Single source autumn flush Darjeeling.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill in the morning.
	Well, I just heard podcast players around the globe turn off for the people who thought, let me check out that No Agenda show.
	What the hell are those guys talking about?
	The, uh, I overshot by, it looks like one word.
	That's all right.
	I used your, uh, from your newsletter, I used, uh, Ephesians 1018.
	Did you hear it?
	6, 6, 6, 6, 10, 18.
	Yeah.
	Act as your belt of truth and breastplate of righteousness.
	Oh, yeah.
	Nice.
	Very nice.
	And may I compliment you on a double Easter egg in the newsletter?
	There were two?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, one was Hiding in Plain Sight.
	One was the boob donation, which was one of the album covers.
	But the better one was the album cover of the guy taking a shower or something with just his naked chest, and underneath you put Scoble.
	Tina said, who's Scoble?
	What is a Scoble?
	Did you dredge up the picture?
	Yeah, of course.
	That was very funny.
	Congratulations.
	I'm sure more than two or three people got amused by that.
	It was without a doubt.
	And you've been on a tear.
	You had your column.
	You plugged the show in your PCMag column.
	Very good.
	Oh, that got in good.
	I didn't see it.
	Yeah, it did.
	And you said, my podcast partner, Adam Curry.
	And then you went on to say how I couldn't figure out our Amazon stuff.
	Yeah.
	No, I never said that.
	I said you were having some difficulty because the system was screwed up.
	Right, and then you said, I fixed that later.
	You did.
	You claimed that you fixed it.
	Well, that was an editing mistake.
	I didn't say that in the original column.
	Okay, just so you know, everything this show does, everything, all, I mean, I have the clips.
	Everything else on Amazon, if Amazon goes down, which is the crux of your column, we're screwed.
	There's just no show notes.
	We're done.
	Over and out.
	Well, the crux of the column was exactly that, because no one ever considers this.
	I consider it a lot.
	Are you kidding me?
	Yeah, maybe.
	Well, you consider it, but a lot of people don't, I don't think.
	And then, you know, they get the glacial service, and they put all their backups up there, and they don't worry about it.
	Yeah, the glacial service, exactly.
	Yeah, I like that a lot.
	And they think, well, this is great, and they use it.
	It's partly you saying, well, you know, Amazon's a good bet because they have to keep their own.
	Yeah, if they go down, then their own shit goes down.
	They lose billions a minute or something like that.
	But no one considers the fact that they just...
	Because it's happened.
	Other companies have done this.
	They just say, you know...
	We're done.
	We're done.
	Hey, shareholders, here's your money back.
	We're done.
	We're just going to quit.
	We're going to go.
	Well, we should get into face bag in a moment.
	I'd like to first mention that the Boston bomber, the South by bomber, has been killed.
	He blew himself up, we think.
	This whole story was the Austin bomber.
	I gotta tell you, because it was, what was it, Sunday night?
	Yeah, of course, show day.
	And we had the FedEx explosion, another one was found at FedEx, and then there was an incendiary device that went off in a Goodwill, which immediately was pegged as the bomber strikes again, for at least an hour and a half before they figured out it wasn't a bomb, but it was an old World War II thing, whatever.
	And we're sitting there and it's very weird to be in downtown Austin and have the news reporting how all of Austin terrorized tonight!
	And I looked at Tina and I said, are you terrorized?
	She said, no.
	She said, I'm worried.
	And I did find myself, honest to God, driving behind a UPS truck and taking an extra 10 yards distance.
	On the road.
	Do you think the truck's going to bode?
	I don't know.
	I'm just driving and I'm like, oh man, what if they all...
	You see the doors in the back?
	I would say that qualifies as you being terrorized.
	It was kind of, yeah.
	Yeah, it did feel a little bit like that.
	But this thing was just so incredibly strange.
	And then I guess...
	Well, a couple of things.
	What I found most interesting is how the police used Google search history, which apparently they got a warrant for, They use cell phone triangulation and receipts.
	And that's how they were able to track him down.
	And also, I think the fact that he used some specialized batteries that were not something you just, you know, not your typical purchase.
	That's always a mistake.
	So they went to the cell phone operators and said, okay, in this area where we had the tripwire bomb, what cell phone numbers popped up?
	And so they, you know, they looked in that time frame and then they just selected those numbers and I guess they just went into their little database or maybe they got a FISO. I don't know what they did.
	Not a FISA warrant.
	They got a warrant.
	And from that, then they had his IP addresses from the phone, and from that they went to Google, if it's all true.
	And it was apparently local Austin law enforcement, not the FBI or ATF, which I found surprising.
	You know, it's all local Austin claim for this.
	Yeah, they're still working on the Stoneman, Parkman, whatever it is, school story.
	They can't afford this new story, so the FBI wasn't going to get involved.
	Yeah.
	I also thought it was, you know, kind of good for, you know, potential Amazon.
	We're still vying as an Amazon city.
	Like, hey, look how we solve everything here.
	We take care of our bombers here.
	Don't worry, Amazon.
	You can come on in.
	It's safe.
	Yeah.
	It ain't happening.
	It's not.
	It's not.
	And then once we find out who this guy is, of course, he fits the profile.
	As we know, it's all white men who are doing everything bad.
	We are the terrorists.
	But there's something that kept cropping up as kind of the first thing that people would mention.
	Yeah, Jesse, and we'll continue to monitor that press conference's motive.
	Do you think that there's anything in his background?
	I mean, he just has no criminal record.
	He was not in the military.
	He was homeschooled by his mom.
	No political party on his voter registration.
	But a guy that was an electrical engineer has gone bad.
	Very bad.
	Even...
	Oh, that's interesting.
	How old was this kid?
	24.
	He looks like he's about 16 from his photo.
	Yeah, he's 24.
	Tucker Carlson, I don't have the clip, but he also started off, everyone's about homeschooled, homeschooled, homeschooled.
	Yeah, trying to go after the homeschoolers.
	And it's surprising to see how many people agree that homeschooling is bad when you just peruse through the face bag.
	A little disturbing.
	Doesn't take much.
	Like, yeah, oh yeah, crazy.
	Homeschooled, that'll do it.
	So, yeah.
	But it was nice to see that we had all this information about the guy and we had his...
	Well, we still don't have his motive.
	Apparently, he left a 25-minute voicemail message or something they call the cell phone recording.
	Yeah, he described all the bombs in some detail.
	Maybe he couldn't get a job as an engineer and he's trying to prove he can be a good engineer.
	Well, he was homeschooled as an electrical engineer, right?
	I don't know.
	No, he went to Austin Community College.
	He has to go to a college at some point to get a...
	That's where he got his degree.
	If he's in a community college, he's not an electrical engineer.
	He can't get much of a degree there except an associate degree.
	Right.
	You know?
	So, anyway, it's over.
	Yeah, it was short-lived.
	It was interesting to be at ground zero for once.
	I was in Washington.
	Do you remember that time they had this guy floating around?
	This went on for about a month or two months or I don't know how many months.
	It went on for a long time where there's this guy shooting people randomly around Washington, D.C. Yes, yeah, yeah.
	From the trunk of his car?
	The guy was in the trunk of the car and there was a hole in the trunk and the rifle...
	You know, came out of the hole and they'd shoot people randomly all over the place.
	And everyone was in a tizzy.
	I was in D.C. during that moment.
	And I remember...
	Same thing, you and the truck.
	I shouldn't be ridiculing you because when I went to get...
	I had to get gas and this car had rented.
	And so I put the...
	I looked at the pumps and figured out which pump I could go to.
	And then when I got there and got...
	By the car with the hose into the car, I looked around to see if there's any, you know, what's my visibility?
	How big of a target?
	Yeah, it's just something you do.
	It's not a big deal.
	I mean, I wasn't freaked out.
	I just was careful.
	Right, right.
	But with these packages, it was just kind of...
	You know, I'm very cavalier.
	I continue with packages.
	People send me stuff to the house all the time.
	I'm like, oh, I'll just open this up.
	Is it in front of your door, or do you have to pick it up downstairs?
	Yeah, UPS often leaves it right at the door.
	They go up the elevator?
	Yeah, UPS does.
	FedEx does sometimes, too.
	Huh.
	That doesn't sound safe.
	And I think it's because those guys just like cruising around the, you know, just, they don't want to be out driving.
	And it's like, I'll just drop these off.
	I don't know.
	Maybe they're visiting people here.
	Hey, baby, it's me again.
	FedEx guy.
	How you doing?
	Hoping to run into you.
	Well, I mean, it's the modern version of the mailman.
	Yeah, kind of.
	I do know we had a UPS guy here.
	He still works the route.
	But he looked like a male model.
	And about 10 or 15 years ago, during the dot-com thing, everyone quit to join Webvan and all these other things, but he stuck around.
	And he was funny because besides looking like a male model, every once in a while he'd come to the door very late.
	Nah.
	All disheveled.
	I was down the street, man.
	It took me a little while.
	So he would be delivering until 7, 8 o'clock.
	It's quite funny.
	Yeah.
	Well, we got hot chicks in the building.
	Obviously, 29 here on the 29th floor.
	Yeah.
	And then we got an Instagram star in the building.
	So you do?
	Yeah, I forget her name.
	But she...
	Is she a makeup artist?
	What does she do?
	No, she's a fashion Instagram star.
	And so, yeah, so she gets paid by...
	Probably makes more money than you do on this show.
	Oh, yeah.
	She's on the 38th floor.
	She got dogs, of course.
	I see her in the elevator sometimes.
	I'm like, ugh, you dogs.
	You should introduce yourself to you and I. I'm the podfather.
	If it wasn't for me, you wouldn't have your job.
	Now, give me that dog.
	Oh, boy.
	Well...
	Oh, by the way, while on the topic, I might as well play this clip.
	I don't have a lot of clips today.
	But I do have one that, you know, here we are again, kind of blowing it.
	Or not blowing it, depending.
	But there's a new ABC sitcom.
	Oh?
	Yeah.
	Okay, let me check it out.
	Alex is a family man, starting his own podcast company.
	You might wonder why someone with a good job, a wife, two kids, and a dancer's body would do something so risky.
	It's because no one can tell me what to do.
	Sorry, honey.
	Now the real work begins.
	Security.
	Zach Braff returns to television.
	Is that drunk?
	No, sweetie.
	Not yet.
	New comedy premieres next Wednesday on ABC. Yeah, I've known about this show, and it's very sad.
	When you help invent something, you create an entire sector, a profession, and then basically with this sitcom, podcasting is now the mall cop of broadcasting.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	Hey everybody, I'm your mall cop of broadcasting.
	I'm known as a pod cop of broadcasting.
	That's right, that's where we are.
	We're not much better than that.
	I'm sad they didn't give me a cameo.
	That would have been warranted.
	This thing could run for decades.
	You get a cameo.
	I have a feeling a sitcom about a podcast doesn't have a decade's run in it.
	I get the same feeling.
	Color me crazy.
	One season if we're lucky.
	Or not lucky.
	Oh, man.
	So last night, and neither of us got a clip from it, which is kind of too bad, because I thought you'd have at least one, and I just ran out of time.
	Because I didn't see it.
	Oh, it was on the Anderson Pooper show, and it's very odd.
	It aired at night.
	I don't watch CNN. You're the CNN guy.
	I know.
	You've got to get it.
	I feel bad I didn't get it.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it wasn't that much to it, because it was completely contrived.
	The interview was done by this fangirl, who I've never seen before.
	Maybe you know who she is.
	Yeah.
	Her name is Lauren Siegel, S-E-G-A-L-L. How are you?
	She's the senior tech correspondent for CNN. And, uh, yeah, it's very hard to get any information on her.
	She doesn't even have a wiki page.
	That's how, uh, entrenched in tech she is.
	You know, there's one of these, you know, cute girl, you know, goes to interview Zuck, smiling at him.
	So, Zuck, tell me what went wrong.
	I should have gotten these clips.
	Ooh, I like that voice.
	Tell me what went wrong, Zuck.
	Hey.
	She was just licking him.
	And you know how this went because, you know, FaceBag, just like Apple, they will only allow interviews tightly controlled with friendlies.
	I'm sure you know about this.
	Yeah, you don't see me interviewing him.
	No.
	And so, you know, the questions are known.
	His answers are, you know, thought about for sure.
	I think he made some mistakes in what he said.
	Just about, you know, oh, we shouldn't be talking about should we be legislated, but what kind of legislation?
	Like, okay.
	And it was just fun watching the face bag stock, you know, this roller coaster ride down.
	I told you this would happen.
	I told you they were going after face bag, and I think what's happened here is now that the Robert Mueller extraction exercise, which we'll get to later, you know, it's just not delivering the goods on collusion.
	Any collusion?
	Any collusion?
	So it's FaceBag's fault.
	Yeah, that's the ticket.
	And with that, all of a sudden, people are discovering there are thousands and thousands of apps out there who connect to FaceBag that steal your data.
	Gee, what a revelation.
	It's not even stealing.
	You give it to them with your knowing consent.
	Yeah, you have to click the approve.
	I mean, any app that you install, even on your phone, it tells you what it's going to be doing.
	Yeah, that's the screen you click OK without reading.
	Everybody knows that.
	Well, it's a list.
	You read it.
	I usually read it.
	It says, oh, you're going to go after my GPS, my contacts.
	By the way, with apps, that's a little confusing.
	It's not just an app on your phone.
	Facebag considers an app to be, and I love this when people do, oh, oh, can you name all these top ten songs?
	How smart are you at history?
	Those are applications, web applications, that once you click on that and go take the fancy quiz, which you can then share with your friends how smart you are, the only reason for that entire quiz is to take your data, and in the past, to take all of your friends' data.
	Yeah.
	That's what it is.
	If you can do it.
	It's not that hard.
	It's built right into the API. If you've got no connections, if you're not on Facebook, if you don't have that, it's not that hard.
	It's very hard.
	You can't do it.
	Yeah.
	You have to be a sucker in the first place.
	Let's first go back to 2009 just to understand the genesis of Facebag and data, which is the new bacon.
	This is Mark Zuckerberg on the BBC. People will have a say and be able to give any feedback they want on the rules and regulations that govern how we develop the product.
	So who is going to own the Facebook content?
	The person who puts it there or you?
	The person who's putting the content on Facebook always owns the information and that's why this is such an important thing and why Facebook is such a special service that people feel a lot of ownership over.
	This is their information, they own it.
	And you won't sell it?
	No, of course not.
	They want to share it with only a few people.
	So just to be clear, you're not going to sell or share any of the information on Facebook?
	What the terms say is just, we're not going to share people's information except with the people that they've asked for it to be shared.
	It's exactly what it says.
	Yeah, but you don't ask for it to be sure.
	What a nice catch.
	Well, that was nine years ago.
	So what?
	Yeah, exactly.
	I got a little background here on what happened with the bag stock.
	Facebook is having one of its worst weeks as a publicly traded company.
	A share sell-off continuing for a second day.
	Facebook under intense scrutiny.
	Ooh, she almost said face bag.
	She said face buck.
	Close.
	Go back and play it again.
	Facebook.
	Maybe we need to change it.
	Facebook.
	I don't know why.
	I thought it was funny.
	Facebook under intense scrutiny since reports that former Trump campaign consultant Cambridge Analytica used data including user likes from roughly 50 million users to try to sway elections.
	Now this is a problem.
	According to BBC, let me see, do I want to use this one?
	No.
	The problem that they have, which was kind of looming over their stock throughout the week, is they have a consent decree with the FTC about using data, which was very specific, and now there's an investigation being opened.
	Is the issue here, Facebook hasn't been forthcoming at how accessible all of our data is to people?
	Okay.
	Number one, they are under a consent decree with the FTC from 2011 where they said that there were privacy issues then and that every violation would be $40,000.
	That's a lot of money if you count all $50 million.
	The reports are the FTC is opening an investigation.
	So that's...
	And that is CNBC, which can take it so far with its credibility.
	But Bloomberg had a similar report.
	This morning, breaking the news about the FT... Breaking the news, John!
	Breaking the news!
	This morning, breaking the news about the FTC looking into possible violations of a 2011 consent degree relating to user data.
	Can you explain, what is this?
	What was the 2011 incident under which Facebook may have violated its obligations?
	Yeah, so the important thing to know here is that we have no federal data privacy law.
	So our agencies have their hands somewhat tied in how they look at these issues.
	But the FTC did put Facebook under a consent decree in 2011 because it had previously allowed user data to be shared without getting consent from the users.
	And so now they're required, before they share any data with third parties, to make sure that people are able to give what they call explicit informed consent.
	Which is that screen that you click on.
	So you have to be aware of what...
	That's your explicit consent.
	Okay.
	...data they're going to be sharing, and you have to be able to say you're okay with it or you're not okay with it.
	So because they have Facebook under that consent decree, they can now look at the Cambridge Analytica situation and ask questions.
	What happened...
	Did Facebook violate terms of that previous agreement, and what did users consent to, and what did they know about how their data was being used?
	So that is going to take a little while.
	We understand that Facebook has received a letter from the FTC, according to our sources, and that it's short of a formal, full-fledged investigation, but they're starting to look into this matter and ask the questions about what happened.
	And what, if any, enforcement teeth does the FTC have in a situation like this?
	If the Facebook were found to be in violation of that decree.
	The Facebook.
	Nice.
	Well, actually, because of the consent decree, they can now, if they find violation, they can fine them up to $40,000 a day per violation.
	So maybe it doesn't sound like that much, you know, with a company that makes billions of dollars.
	But if you start to add up violations and days, it could...
	It's almost over.
	Quickly, you know, run into the millions if they find a violation.
	How about trillions?
	$40,000 per day per violation, especially given in Facebook's user base, that could be pretty hefty.
	Oh, that's pretty hefty.
	It ain't happening.
	This is nonsense.
	By the way, they keep beating around the bush about what they're talking about, what happened in 2011, which is Fraley versus Facebook.
	We have one of our producers that was involved in this class action suit.
	And if you remember...
	This was, I'll read it from the wiki page.
	It's a class action suit filed in California against Facebook alleging misappropriation of Facebook users' names and likenesses in advertisements called sponsored stories.
	We all remember this.
	Yes.
	The case resulted in parties reaching a settlement.
	So all these millions of people, this is, you know, they're talking about $40,000 of violation.
	The guy who was one of our producers got his check.
	What, $8?
	Yeah.
	Fifteen.
	Fifth checks for $15 were distributed to class members beginning in November 17th.
	By the way, they had to wait until 2016 to get the check.
	Nice.
	Yes.
	Lawyers, meanwhile, bought their own island.
	Oh, yes.
	Well, they paid out on the deal.
	So just for the background for people who are new to the program, and I think most No Agenda producers understand how this works, But this was the big deal in the advertising and I could just say communications, messaging, PR world, which is what we're talking about.
	It was the social graph.
	Do you remember, John?
	The social graph.
	I do remember that.
	And I actually put in the show...
	Among a bevy of bullshit.
	Yeah.
	I put the API for the social graph into the show notes so you can go take a look at it.
	It's just plain English.
	Forget the commands that you have to perform, but you can see exactly how it works.
	And to this day, you still can get a person's friends list through the API. You don't have access to their entire profile and information the way you do if you give your permission.
	And that is a change.
	But if they're using the same app, then obviously that is allowed.
	But I guess you kind of have it already.
	But this is like nothing new.
	And we've been rather underwhelmed with all of this from an advertising perspective.
	I mean, honestly, all we still see is...
	I mean, no one has really come up with anything so fabulous for advertising, and if anything, advertisers are walking away.
	Johnson& Johnson, Procter& Gamble, Unilever, they're all cutting back their spending.
	We don't see the results.
	We don't see a return on our investment.
	So, to now think that this unbelievable, what was it first?
	It was data breach, it was theft, it was a whole bunch of things.
	Well, here, let's play this clip just as a little respite.
	This is from the PBS NewsHour, and this is Amy Klobuchar, who's on the committee, along with Feinstein and a whole bunch of people that are trying to get the Grassley's committee.
	They're all trying to get Zuckerberg.
	By the way, I'll be taking bets on this.
	Zuckerberg is never going to testify before Congress.
	Well, this was a question yesterday in the CNN interview, and instead of saying yes, he said, we at Facebook always want to make sure the right person with the right information...
	Yes, Sheryl Sandberg will be testifying.
	Thank you.
	She's got to be.
	Oh yeah, she's the one.
	She's the go-to girl.
	She's from SES. She is part of that senior executive stuff out of the government.
	It's a home game for her.
	She's a government gal, and she may be a CIA gal too, for all we know.
	It's a home game.
	Breach is a breach.
	The newspapers say the firm used that information to target political messages.
	We're now joined to talk about this by Senator Amy Klobuchar, a Democrat from Minnesota who's on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
	Senator, thanks for joining us.
	Thanks, John.
	I know earlier today you sent a letter to Senator Grassley, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, with your Republican colleague John Kennedy of Louisiana.
	Calling for hearings and calling for Mark Zuckerberg to be called to testify.
	Have you heard back from the chairman?
	Do you have any sense of what...
	Just to interrupt for a moment, what I've noticed is the way media heads talk about Zuckerberg as if he's a global leader.
	I mean, seriously.
	Watch and pay attention.
	It's like, oh, is he going to come?
	Will the Zuck come down to testify?
	Man, I don't care what it was about.
	If I was asked to go to D.C. to testify, I'd be like, yeah, that sounds like fun.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	I'm there.
	I'm your man.
	I'm your go-to girl.
	G-R-R-R-L. Calling for hearings and calling for Mark Zuckerberg to be called to testify.
	Have you heard back from the chairman?
	Do you have any sense of whether the chairman's going to do that?
	Well, we've heard that he is considering it, which I would imagine he would do, and I think I'll talk to him personally about it tomorrow.
	I think it's really important that we, one, have a hearing about Cambridge Analytica and get the head of Cambridge Analytica there, but also do a hearing focused on the social media heads, because we've heard from their lawyers and their lobbyists, and Senator Kennedy and I, Thursday, before this all blew up, had asked Senator Grassley for such a hearing.
	And the reason that we did is that, one, we see this political season upon us, and we believe that you need to have a full vetting of what's going on here.
	We have ads that don't have disclaimers, ads that don't have disclosures.
	Over $1 billion in the last election.
	It's forecast to go to $3 to $4 billion in candidate and issue ads in 2020.
	And there are no rules of the road.
	So that's one thing.
	And the second, of course, is this data breach.
	And I'm tired of hearing it's not a breach.
	You know, it doesn't matter if someone breaks into my apartment with a crowbar or if the manager gives them the keys.
	If they take stuff out of it, it's still a breach.
	Wow.
	Underinformed woman of the day.
	Yeah, she's the best.
	And have you noticed this, I'll call it a, I'm going to use the word, this conflagration between advertising and psychological messaging?
	Psychographics.
	Psychographics, thank you.
	That's the word I'm looking for.
	It is the new hot term.
	So there's a big difference there.
	I first heard that term in 1975.
	It's still hot, baby.
	You should be writing a book about it.
	Too late now.
	Psychographics, yes.
	So this is a very easy transition between what Cambridge Analytica actually does.
	I think we have a pretty good understanding of what they claim to do.
	Like, okay, we figure out who you are and then we're going to, you know, make sure...
	The claim is make sure that you get all these crazy messages, fake news stories, but yet everyone's talking about the Advertising Accountability Act.
	Which is, you know, the only legislation I know of so far that in the way it's explained to me, I have to see it first.
	The way it's explained is, just like on television, it has to say, I'm Donald Trump and I approve this message.
	And so for some reason, that's a big deal.
	I think there's going to be a lot more.
	Can you just say, I'm Donald Trump and I don't approve this message?
	Is that still okay?
	I think that would be very funny, actually.
	Yeah.
	At least it makes it clear.
	So this all kicked off with a whistleblower.
	Or a so-called whistleblower.
	A sketchy whistleblower.
	Well, he's not even sketchy.
	A, he didn't work at the company when they were doing any deal with the Trump campaign, if anything was done at all.
	And this guy is such an obvious shill.
	And not like a shill like he's being paid to do it, but he's been pushed forward as a hero.
	And just look at him, pink hair, nose ring, like the way he talks.
	Like, oh, okay.
	He is virtue signaling.
	And I had to take this interview and cut it into a couple of parts because it shows you how flimsy this whole argument is.
	Besides the actual facts of it, this is happening all the time, and it's not that successful to our knowledge.
	But here is Christopher Wiley on the Today Show.
	Christopher Wiley is with us now from London.
	Christopher, good morning.
	Thanks for being with us.
	Hi!
	Hi!
	It's good to talk to you.
	As we just saw, you've said that Facebook obtained, improperly obtained, data for up to 50 million Facebook users.
	And the point of this was to develop personality profiles and then target political advertising to them.
	My first question is pretty...
	Now, notice what she says, political advertising.
	But that's not what is really going on here.
	...simple.
	To your knowledge, did the Trump campaign in 2016 use that improperly accessed data?
	Well, let me be clear.
	I left Cambridge Analytica before it joined the Trump campaign.
	What I do know is that the company had been in talks with Trump before Trump had even announced his candidacy.
	But you'll have to ask Cambridge Analytica directly if they were using...
	Now, how can you be classified as a whistleblower if you not only don't work there...
	But you didn't even work there when the so-called infraction occurred.
	It's not a whistleblower.
	It's just a former employee.
	That's it.
	Former employee that doesn't know that much because he wasn't there at the time.
	Why are we interviewing this guy?
	This is the new Today Show, by the way, which I can't watch.
	I can't watch Savannah, who's brain dead.
	She used to be just a newsreader.
	And Hoda, who's really a personality type that worked with Kathie Lee Griffin most of the time, joking around and drinking drinks.
	Yeah, that's fun.
	That show is pretty funny.
	I think it's a great show, and I think I didn't realize until recently, I think I always kind of knew it, but Kathie Lee Griffin.
	Gifford.
	And I would say the same thing about Kathie Lee Gifford.
	Kelly Lee Griffin.
	Kelly Lee Griffin.
	And the other one, Ripa.
	Those two women, and Ripa I think got her chops from Kathie Lee and also Regis.
	Because Ripa and Kathie Lee are fantastic broadcasters.
	Yes, I totally agree.
	They're funny.
	They're like on it.
	They got the right snide attitudes.
	They got punchlines.
	They're kind of mean-spirited in a very funny, polite way.
	It's absolutely...
	I really don't like to turn those shows on because I get riveted.
	So I don't watch them that much.
	But those two definitely should consider doing a podcast.
	But you'll have to ask Cambridge Analytica directly if they were using this misappropriated data for Donald Trump.
	But what I do know is that this was the foundation of Cambridge Analytica.
	Cambridge Analytica was founded on misappropriated data of at least 50 million Facebook users.
	And I want to bring attention to that so that people understand that their data is being used improperly by this company, that We're good to go.
	They were funded by Russian funds in Russia.
	Oh no, maybe he should have added rubles.
	Also working on projects that were funded by Russian funds in Russia on profiling people and their personalities.
	So I think it's really important for Americans to know what this company has been doing with their data.
	And it's really important, I think, to find out, was this data used to help elect Donald Trump?
	You know, you can't find much information on this Jamoak.
	I wonder if he doesn't work for Facebook right now.
	Instead, you know, just to throw this, all of this, you know, the sidetrack, really.
	It's a misappropriation of data, etc.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, I've always, my thinking has always been that Facebook, Saw this as an income loss.
	Well, yes.
	Because Cambridge Analytics did a workaround.
	Let's make sure that we do it properly.
	I'm despising the talking heads who keep saying Cambridge Analytics.
	It's Analytica.
	Yeah, Cambridge Analytica, thanks.
	Cambridge Analytica did a workaround.
	Instead of having to buy this data from Facebook and spend probably God knows how much money, which I'm sure they could get, Because Facebook's up for sale.
	They sell this stuff.
	It's the idea.
	Yeah, that's their business.
	He talks about it constantly.
	Yeah, it's his business.
	Instead, they did a cheap trick by creating this app that kind of went in and just did scraping.
	went in there and it's like a web cop.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, stop.
	That's incorrect, John.
	You're wrong about that.
	This was a part of the API that they changed.
	At the time, you had the app and you could get the social graph The entire social graph of all of your friends.
	Now, they've limited that, but it was not scraping.
	This is what everybody was doing.
	You could bring it right in.
	The part that was not legal is the professor who did the study then transferred that data to a third party.
	Whether he sold it, gave it, I think is irrelevant.
	So there was no scraping, please.
	Okay, we won't say scraping, but they sucked the data out.
	Yeah, sucked my data.
	Yeah.
	Precisely.
	So they sucked it out.
	Legally!
	Well, see, this is the part I'm not clear on.
	Was it legal to take the way they did it?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Because they didn't pay for it.
	No.
	In the early days of FaceBag, the API allowed you to not only get all your information, and you can see it in the API handbook.
	All these different pieces that will pop up as the user has to give permission to And in the early days, you automatically, with the API, then got the same information from all of that person's friends.
	That was completely legal.
	Nothing wrong with that.
	The professor who then, you know, you sign an agreement with FaceBag.
	Okay, it's the same thing now.
	You're like, I won't disparage FaceBag, I won't use your logo inappropriately, and I'll do everything properly, and I won't transfer the data.
	So that's the only thing that he did wrong.
	But getting the data, tens of thousands of developers, now you can still get all your data if you participate in that silly thing, and you can get that person's friends list, but you can't get all of their data, which of course does mean that you can say, ah, this person took the test, Then I'm going to throw up an ad that says, hey, your buddy just...
	I see this all the time.
	Your buddy liked this test or your buddy did this test.
	Would you like to take the test?
	And then you take the test and they have your day.
	Yeah, I understand that part.
	Now, once they get all...
	They get the 50 million bits of...
	Yes.
	50 million profiles of Facebook users.
	Yeah.
	Now, so they...
	If they just keep it and keep using it over and over and over again for different...
	That's okay.
	It's a real minor technicality.
	Why is everybody all bent out of shape?
	Because misinformation and people don't fucking read anything.
	I don't know.
	Is that different than reading?
	Fucking reading is very hard.
	It's like patting your head and rumbling your tummy at the same time.
	Now, I have two things I want to say.
	First of all, if this operation, Cambridge A, they're going to use the – This is all for political advertising and all the rest of it.
	Does anybody put two and two together and say, wait a minute, even with all this data and all this information, which Facebook also has, obviously.
	Yeah.
	You still have Procter& Gamble, Unilever, all these smart guys bailing out because the advertising doesn't work.
	So how is the political advertising suddenly going to work when soap advertising doesn't work?
	Can you answer me that?
	No.
	Now, the second thing I do want to mention is about Zuckerberg and the fact that he won't speak because Klobuchar and all these guys are anxious to get him up on the stand, not knowing.
	The guy's going to come out there with a t-shirt.
	He's autistic.
	He's going to sweat.
	He sweats.
	He's got nothing to say.
	He's just kind of an autistic savant.
	He's not a true CEO. He's a global leader.
	Do they think that the shareholders of Facebook wouldn't allow it?
	If I'm a shareholder in Facebook, I do not want this guy going before Congress because he could sink the company.
	You know, you are one of the few who is still a shareholder of Facebook.
	I'm looking at the chart today.
	This thing's selling off like crazy.
	I'm sorry.
	It's so interesting that all these violations, it doesn't matter what happened to FaceBag, there was really no blowback.
	Once it started affecting the stock price just a little bit, then everybody, now we're all, oh my God, now we've got to do something.
	You know that all of these lawmakers also have face bag in their portfolio.
	It's one of those things you get in.
	That's exactly what it is.
	It's tanking.
	Instead of going to the shareholders meeting and asking the CEO stuff, which is what you're supposed to do, they're going to bring him in.
	What's that old phrase?
	You bring Mohammed to...
	The mountain to Mohammed.
	Yeah, bring the mountain to Mohammed.
	So they're going to bring him in and start grilling him whether they should sell the stock or not.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's all they care about.
	I got a couple more clips of this, Christopher Wiley.
	And so now we're going to bring in the terms that we love to hear.
	The terms that, you know, these weaponized data that is so strong that Johnson& Johnson and Procter& Gamble are not picking up these arms.
	To that last question you posed, as you say, you left in 2014, so you don't know if this data was used by the Trump campaign.
	But let's talk about what it was used for.
	What I do know is that Cambridge Analytica was meeting with Corey.
	He's trying to reestablish his credibility here.
	This is a very flimsy witness on the stand.
	They gave him a block, probably, like X amount of time that she has to now fill if the guy's a dud.
	It's her responsibility to bring something out and this guy wants to get some publicity.
	Today's show is like this.
	It really is very poorly produced.
	...used by the Trump campaign.
	But let's talk about what it was used for.
	What I do know is that David Analytica was meeting with Corey Lewandowski in 2015 before Trump had even announced and offering the services that I'm talking about right now.
	And that's what I wanted to get to.
	Can you explain, because you were one of the founders of this research, can you explain how it would be used?
	I think you've even used the term weaponized data.
	How?
	What would it be used to do?
	Yeah, I think what's really important for people to understand is that Cambridge Analytica was birthed out of a company called SEL Group, which is a military contractor based in London.
	This data was used to create profiling algorithms that would allow us to explore mental vulnerabilities of people.
	Mental vulnerabilities.
	Well, how come you can't find out who's going to turn into a shooter, you ditz?
	If you can find mental vulnerabilities, now you got my interest.
	Every crazy person who shot people up, posted on Facebag, don't your algos recognize that?
	...that would allow us to explore mental vulnerabilities of people and then map out ways to inject information into different streams or channels of content online so that people start...
	Oh, so they inject.
	I just want to make sure I understand.
	They inject into streams of content.
	Wow, this is really high tech.
	To see things all over the place that may or may not have been true.
	This is a company that really took fake news to the next level by powering it with algorithms.
	So what he's saying now is that they took the data...
	And this is not about saying, I'm Donald Trump and I disapprove this message.
	No, no.
	They snuck in fake news into your news stream, which, as far as I can tell, is not part of the FaceBag Social Graph API. But he takes it further.
	So it's different than political advertising because it seems to me any good political messaging tries to predict, guess at what might appeal to voters and then design a message to that.
	But you say this went further by getting those personality profiles and then administering or delivering fake news messages?
	I'm calling super bullshit on this.
	Yeah, you might be able to place an ad or would say sponsored post, perhaps.
	But you're not just going to inject stuff and just pull in the fake...
	Add a sentence to a WAPO article.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Just throw a sentence in there.
	I want to understand that this is based on an idea called informational dominance, which is the idea that...
	Informational dominance!
	Now I understand.
	Is this in the Book of Knowledge?
	I'll play the clip and I'll look.
	This is based on an idea called informational dominance, which is the idea that if you can capture every channel of information around a person and then inject content around them, you can change their perception of what's actually happening.
	So the fundamental difference between what Cambridge Analytica has done and standard political messaging is that when I show you an ad for a candidate, it says, you know, hi, I'm so-and-so and I approve this message.
	It is apparent that they are seeing political messaging.
	It is apparent that they're trying to be convinced.
	But what Cambridge Analytica does is works...
	Works on creating a web of disinformation online so that people start going down the rabbit hole of clicking on blogs, websites, etc.
	that make them think that certain things are happening that may not be.
	You know where this term was developed?
	Well, I see it developed by the Navy.
	Well, if you look at...
	I see exactly the same thing.
	But if you look at which guy in the Navy is on that PDF, Michael S. Rogers, now at the NSA... It's an NSA term.
	Figures.
	Yeah.
	So who knows where this kid is from?
	Last clip.
	And let me mention, because Cambridge Analytica, your former employer, says you are a former contractor involved in a, quote, patently malicious attempt to hurt the company.
	They say they have a restraining action against you.
	Your response to that, and also, what are your politics?
	That's not true.
	I don't have a restraining action against me.
	That's not true.
	That's not true.
	Do you have a political agenda?
	Now, here's where you hear the guy has been trained.
	This is the last one.
	She's going to ask a question, and he expertly dodges the question.
	It seems simple how he does it, but most people would not be able to do this.
	A political agenda?
	Because Cambridge Analytica obviously was funded by conservative interests.
	You worked there.
	Is there any political reason why you're coming forward now?
	I think what's really important for people to understand is that this company misappropriated data of upwards of 50 million people from Facebook.
	They misused that data.
	That data was processed by psychologists who were going back and forth between London and Russia, who were also working on projects in Russia for Russians, that this company was using this data.
	Meanwhile, as they were talking to the second largest oil company of Russia, sending Jump on him, Savannah.
	To the CEO of Luke Oil, which has known links with the Russian FSB, which is their state security services.
	I think we need to step back for a second.
	What is she putting up with this for?
	Is she that stupid?
	See, now he's an intel guy.
	Now he knows all about the known links.
	This is great.
	The Russian FSB, which is their state security services.
	I think we need to step back for a second and depoliticize this, because this is about the safety of Americans and the integrity of the American democratic process.
	If this data was misappropriated and mishandled by this company, and I think that they need to be investigated for that.
	Yeah, the guy goes some schlub.
	Now he's giving all kinds of deep intel.
	Kind of showing connections.
	And she's standing there flat-footed.
	She asked him a specific question.
	Which he didn't answer.
	He didn't even come close to answering.
	And he didn't even use any of the good tricks.
	No.
	Which in my opinion would have been, well, you're asking me the wrong question, but you should be asking.
	And then ask some bogus question and then answer that.
	But he didn't even do that.
	He just went off on the deep end and she sits there saying nothing?
	I'm telling you, NBC has lost the plot.
	So this really is the interview that kicked it all off and this guy was everywhere and spinning the same tail.
	And it really has picked up so much steam that to me, as I said in the beginning, it really appears that since we don't have any other proof about Russian collusion, that now Facebag is the punching bag, essentially.
	And it's not stopping there because we have the...
	The EU's is going to be very interesting.
	The GDPR kicks in next month.
	That's the General Data Protection Regulations, which are quite severe.
	Pretty much, you know, any company that operates with your data, if you say, hey, I don't want you to do this or I want you to take it off or remove it, they have to comply and there's fines and I'm sure the EU is, you know, they're already talking about taxing tech companies just to piss off Trump.
	Yeah, they're trying to gouge everyone they can before they sink.
	But Cambridge Analytica and Facebag in general might have some issues in the UK. Every political campaign wants to get inside your head.
	The more they know about you, the more they can influence you.
	This is BBC Newsnight.
	I think people understand that data is power.
	Power!
	As we play out our lives online, we're making things easy for them.
	It is possible to target messages at particular individuals who will be unaware of the fact that you've been profiling them.
	Are there people out there who know you better than you know yourself?
	This is not a normal company that's using psychological techniques to change people's thoughts and behavior.
	Was Britain's EU referendum hijacked by the American alt-right using a technique known as psychographics?
	Brexit was the petri dish for Trump.
	So they said, here's this company, can it help you?
	This is the charge leveled at an obscure data analytics firm called Cambridge Analytica.
	They now deny they ever worked on the Leave campaign, but it wasn't always thus.
	So is psychographics a menace or a myth?
	Menace or myth?
	Did you listen to the last DHM plug where I explained the history of psychographics?
	No, I did not.
	Go ahead.
	Spoiler?
	Do you want to spoil it?
	Go ahead and recap.
	Psychographics began in the direct marketing community as an improvement over demographics, which is the way everyone did everything.
	They'd look at a neighborhood and they'd say, oh, these guys make $150,000 a year.
	We think they'll buy a Keurig coffee maker.
	Or they would do this or they would do that because they're in a rich neighborhood.
	So let's target that neighborhood and try to sell this product, Lexus.
	Oh, and here's a poor neighborhood.
	They just sell them something else.
	And so that was, you know, as society kind of blended a little more, it became a little more difficult to find these key buyers.
	They came up with this idea, and it was based on mailing list databases.
	You said something really important there.
	You needed to bring in the key buyers.
	There wasn't even necessarily a guarantee of reaching people.
	It was just we wanted to have a story for the ad buyers, correct?
	Yeah, and in that era, it actually, unlike today, If you wanted to target people, if you didn't target them, it would cost you more money.
	Because mailing costs X amount.
	With email and some of the systems today, it's all free, so who cares?
	But the psychographics idea is still in place.
	And now it's some sort of an evil buzzword, which I find fascinating.
	Because psychographics began when the mailing list industry in particular started using something called databases.
	And what they started to do was take...
	Different mailing lists and do merge purges.
	And you'd buy these mailing lists and the database companies who handled the mailing lists, you wouldn't rent the list directly, you'd rent the outcome of their work.
	And what they would do is they take a they would figure out pretty much like they try to do today with psychographics.
	They would figure out that if you subscribe to Playboy, Argosy, U.S. News, World Report and The New York Times, if you subscribe to all four of those things, you'd have a certain profile.
	Right.
	And so what they do is they'd run these.
	They'd say, well, I want somebody that's like this.
	I want them.
	They have to be an outdoorsman and they have to do this.
	They have to do that.
	And so they'd run this database through all these different magazine mailing lists because everybody subscribed to magazines at the time.
	Some sort of, some magazines.
	Ah, the good old days.
	And they lived in certain areas, so you combine the demographics of where they lived with the magazines they had, and you could have a profile and say, aha, there's the guy that I can sell this fishing boat to.
	And that's all psychographics was.
	Yeah, and it's widely used.
	Now it's some evil bullshit.
	This is bull crap.
	That's all it is.
	It's just trying to see where your head is at.
	Yeah.
	And you can kind of reverse engineer it by what you're up to.
	Yeah, you can do the same thing on the face bags.
	Apparently, you can reverse engineer your psychographic details by looking at what you're up to.
	And the amount of money that MTV spent back in the day.
	I participated in many black box, white box, double blind studies with MTV viewers.
	And, you know, and they wanted to want to understand because, you know, you couldn't get direct feedback data from the television, obviously.
	Well, I know, but don't remember.
	There's a period of time that hit two or three times, actually, not just a period, where interactive television was going to be the next big thing.
	And the only reason for this sort of interactive television was to develop psychographic profiles.
	And I heard from one guy who was doing this.
	This was in the 80s.
	He says, you know, we can figure out with three clicks...
	Of the remote control, what this person's like.
	Wait a minute, you knew Ron Bloom in the 80s?
	It's not Ron Bloom.
	Ron Bloom got it from someone else, believe me.
	Believe me, I've heard the term psychographics in so many pitch meetings.
	Yeah, we can deliver the right message because we've got the psychographics of every single one of our users.
	Now, Facebag took that to another level.
	They really did.
	You know, you give them all this information, who you're married to, if you're in a same-sex marriage, what your religion is, all of this stuff is in there.
	Yeah, and how you feel that day.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Yeah, a psychographic would be, let's see anyone who's feeling down today and we'll give them an antidepressant ad.
	A very simple psychographic, which I believe is probably being utilized as we speak.
	Yeah, I'm sure it is.
	By the way, we're the only show that can talk about this in this sort of detail because we're not subject or care about any of these things with our particular producer listenership.
	This is correct.
	That, by the way, is what we call a bridge.
	And for that very reason, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C., where the C stands for Cambridge A. Dvorak.
	In the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
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	Hello, trolls!
	Noagendastream.com is where you can find the trolls.
	If you feel that you'd fit in, you probably would if you listened to the show at all.
	And we also say in the morning to Uncle Clave Bear...
	He brought us the artwork for episode 1017.
	Title of that was Tech Neck.
	And this was challenging for us.
	There were many extremely good pieces of art.
	Yeah, actually it was a bonanza.
	And we could not stop, like adolescent schoolgirls, we could not stop giggling over the dog with the dynamite in his butt.
	Yeah, it was very...
	And we had a meeting.
	We had a no agenda show executive meeting.
	We were very...
	It was juvenile.
	We had one of the artists who did one of the other pieces write us.
	Yeah, the AOL... The AOL one, which I think came in second, as I recall.
	Yes.
	And I explained to him that we were just acting like stupid kids because we couldn't stop giggling, and I think you nailed it over that piece.
	And the kids, by the way, the kids at dinner thought it was funny, too.
	Here's the actual...
	I have the transcript, the meeting notes.
	We had a final vote and the question was, do we go for great, intelligent art or cheap laughs?
	And we immediately said, cheap laughs is the way to go.
	Oh yeah, always.
	You can't be...
	Cheap laughs are actually harder to come...
	They're rather cheap, so they're not that hard to come by, but...
	I think this, yeah, it's always the way to, we'll always choose cheap laughs.
	Always.
	And this is a tip from your No Agenda show.
	We thank you, Uncle Clave Bear, for not only delivering fantastic artwork, but also really making us laugh.
	And we're still laughing.
	I'm looking at it right now.
	It's like it's a dynamite piece.
	Oh, pun intended.
	Noagendaartgenerator.com is where you can upload your artwork.
	We appreciate the work that all of our artists do.
	As far as we know, we're one of the only podcasts in the known universe that has fresh art.
	For each episode.
	And it helps.
	It makes a difference.
	We look great.
	We always seem to wind up, whenever we publish a new show, we show up in the new and noteworthy section of the iTunes and the podcast app.
	It's just because when we publish, there's quite an onslaught of data, and I'm sure that's showing up in their analytics.
	And we're always next to Rachel Maddow.
	Always.
	You get the dog with the dynamite in his butt next to Rachel Maddow.
	It's just, thank you.
	I appreciate that.
	There's something cosmic about it.
	Good work, guys.
	So let's thank a few people for being producers and executive producers for show 1018.
	And of course, people will notice if they saw the last newsletter that we actually used scripture.
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	May you rest in peace.
	Too young.
	Please send some karma and hugs if you're so inclined.
	I love you guys.
	We're sorry to hear that, Dame Tanya.
	And we love you too.
	So we will send you some hugs in this karmic message.
	You've got karma.
	Sucks.
	Craig Kuttner in Norwalk, Connecticut, 23457.
	Baron Craig of the Northeast Georgia here.
	Continued kudos for the outstanding product and excellent analysis and deconstruction.
	Jingles.
	Club 33.
	Atlas Shrugged.
	Atlas Shrugged.
	I don't remember that one.
	Numbers.
	And 73 is from KV1YYE. Kilobyte 1, yes, yes, error.
	Hold on a second.
	So we need, what was the first one he wanted?
	Club 33.
	Do we have a Club 33 jingle?
	There's no real jingle.
	It's just me yelling about bringing a raven up to the stage.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, let me just bring up the raven.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	Okay.
	We got that.
	We got the Atlas Shrug.
	I don't know what that...
	I don't remember.
	What was that?
	Yeah, what's the third one?
	Numbers.
	Three.
	The numbers thing.
	Okay.
	Throw some karma in for him, too.
	Yeah, I wish I could find the numbers.
	What the hell was it?
	It was title something.
	It was some 33.
	It had 33 as part of the gag.
	It was the punchline.
	Numbers Station?
	Yeah, Numbers Station.
	That's what I thought, but I can't find it.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, I can't find it.
	I'm sorry.
	Give it up for Raven.
	The president has put in place an organization by Ayn Rand.
	Jesus, I'm going to want to do over on that whole thing.
	I really blew that.
	One more time.
	Can we give him a do over?
	Yeah, we can do a do over.
	Give it up for Raven!
	Atlas Shrub by Ayn Rand.
	India.
	Tango.
	Mike.
	Standby.
	33.
	Globalizer.
	Out.
	There we go.
	Done.
	And a karma.
	Oh, and a karma.
	I'm sorry.
	You've got karma.
	Fabrice.
	Uh, shoo me.
	I'm guessing $200.
	He'll be our last associate executive producer for show 1080.
	This puts me over the $1,000 mark and I'm getting knighted.
	I would like to be called Sir Shumi, mercenary of the racetrack.
	Can I request a Calypso Ebola and trophies and tire smoke at the round table?
	Trophies and tire smoke.
	Trophies and tire smoke.
	Yeah, now I'm doing double duty here.
	Yeah, well, so you are.
	The jobs karma really does work, as evidenced by my getting my dream job and now going pro racing in Pirelli World, in the Pirelli World Challenge with that job.
	Hopefully, through some hard work and karma, we can rank well this year with our KTM Expo GT4, And put on a strong show.
	Thank you for your courage keeping me sane.
	What do you do at the operation?
	Are you a pit, mechanic, driver?
	We'd like to know.
	Yeah, we would.
	Thank you for your courage.
	Can you get us pit passes, is the question?
	No, we can always get pit passes.
	We're podcasters.
	Yeah, right.
	The mall cops of broadcasting.
	Thank you for your courage, keeping me sane, and keep up with the best, and keep it up, keep it up with the best podcast in the universe.
	Okay, I have to do an alternative Ebola for him.
	I can't find that.
	I thought we had titled that thing Calypso.
	No, I don't think so.
	It was titled something else.
	Okay, how about this one then?
	You've got karma.
	I think it's that one.
	No, I know what he means.
	Okay.
	I like that one.
	We haven't played that one.
	Oh yeah, that one brings diarrhea.
	I'll see if I can find it for the end of show.
	Isn't that from...
	Ebola.
	Ebola.
	Where is that from?
	What's the original song?
	Matilda.
	Matilda.
	Oh, maybe it was Matilda.
	Maybe it could be Matilda.
	Ah!
	You're a genius, my friend.
	E-Bowla, E-Bowla, E-Bowla, E-Gambron Africa, E-Bowla, E-R-Gambron Africa, Everybody now.
	Nailed it.
	Alright, we got them both.
	The other one, I don't remember, so it was good you played it.
	It was also Calypso-ish.
	Yes.
	Back to Fabrice.
	That will be our guys.
	So Fabrice gets knighted.
	This is nice.
	And Fabrice gets knighted later.
	And I want to thank all these folks for being the executive and associate executive producers.
	For a show, 10-18.
	Yes, and you said guys, but, you know, that's kind of misogynist.
	It's generic.
	Women call each other guys, too.
	No, you said gang.
	I think you have to say gang.
	You can't say guys, because Dame Tanya's in there.
	She's not a guy.
	I know she is, but I'm going to see if she's...
	She has to report an objection, or I'll continue to use guise in some situations.
	Okay.
	We're looking forward to hearing from Dame Tanya.
	And thank you to our executive producers, associate executive producers, for supporting the No Agenda Show.
	It is the only way that we are enabled to discuss the topics that we broach.
	Yes?
	Yeah.
	Oh, I thought you were going to say something.
	Why would I do that?
	Because you were going...
	I heard...
	Oh, that should have been a rim shot.
	It wasn't coming through clearly.
	Remember, we have a show coming up on Sunday.
	So you can now tell everybody how it works with the face back in Cambridge 8 by propagating...
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	What are you doing?
	Shut up.
	What are you doing?
	Going nuts.
	That's a break in the show.
	You're not supposed to be doing your recorder tone up thing.
	I'm going nuts.
	I wanted to play, just to pick up on our combo.
	Oh, I got a new one.
	One of our producers sent me a phrase from the, no, a brief.
	What was the new one?
	He heard someone in the cubicle next to him say, as youge.
	As youge.
	As youge.
	Do you have a list?
	Are you putting it down in a paper?
	Yeah.
	As youge.
	I like it.
	Yeah.
	I don't know how you spell it, though.
	Youge.
	I did get one of the old, the parents phrase, which somebody mentioned in an email of one of our producers.
	And I, as soon as he said, I said, my mom said this too.
	I think my mom said this.
	I know exactly which one you're going to say.
	So you get all bundled up and you got a fur thing on and she says, you look like Nanook of the North.
	Oh, no, no, I never heard that.
	Nanook of the North.
	Yes, he said, I said, yeah, my mom used to make that phrase too.
	What were you thinking of?
	Heavens to Murgatroyd.
	Heavens to Murgatroyd, I believe, really came from a cartoon.
	Well, I remember...
	My mom not only used to say heavens to Murgatroyd, she had a game with my sisters and they'd play salon when they were washing their hair and she'd say, okay, now your names are Gertrude and Murgatroyd.
	So she kind of carried that over.
	She must have been a fan of Warner Brothers.
	I'm sure my mom was.
	That's all, folks.
	Back to the face bag scandal.
	One of our producers, Michael Z, I'll just call him Michael Z, who does a lot of fantastic work.
	I put one of his emails, which you'll see is so beautifully researched and carefully laid out.
	I put it into the show notes because he put together a compendium of all Of the news articles where the press was fawning over President Obama and this fantastical database that he built.
	And anybody who was going to come up against this database, they might as well just forget about it.
	Because no one can message the way that the President can.
	Or, with his new 501c4, Which is a lobbying group.
	And you can basically contact President Obama and, you know, I guess a fee or whatever the deal is with that outfit.
	You can use his data.
	And this database was touted far and wide as how fantastic it was.
	Because, you know, you put the weapons in the right hands, it's okay.
	Here's Maxine Waters.
	The president has put in place an organization that contains the kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life.
	That's going to be very, very powerful and whoever...
	In terms of the organizing for America that he's now shifting to become a 501c4.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	And that database will have information about everything on every individual in ways that it's never been done before.
	And whoever runs for president on the Democratic ticket have to deal with that.
	They're going to have to go down with that database and the concerns of those people because they can't get around it.
	And he's been very smart.
	I mean, it's very powerful what he's leaving in place.
	And I think that's what any Democratic candidate is going to have to deal with.
	Mm-hmm.
	Everyone loved it.
	It was great.
	Very powerful.
	Everyone's going to have to deal with it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I know.
	Makes nothing but sense.
	Yeah, it's great when they're doing it.
	Oh, now Trump.
	We've got to find somewhere.
	How did Trump...
	I got my two liberal guys.
	You're LibJoes.
	LibJournal.
	My LibJoes.
	LibJoes.
	My LibJoes.
	One of them says, out of the blue, says, ah, it's pretty...
	I don't know what...
	I think they have a thread going someplace else.
	Now, stop, stop, stop.
	Now, your Lib Joe friends are journalists who worked for New York Times and other...
	Wall Street Journal and, yeah.
	Well, Wall Street Journal is not a necessarily liberal publication.
	You haven't been reading it recently.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	And besides the point, he's the most progressive of the group.
	And he didn't stay there that long.
	Just to win a few awards and left.
	And one of them, out of the blue, and it's just, I think they have a second thread going someplace, because I missed out the whole thing.
	He says, ah, it's pretty obvious now from California data that the election was stolen.
	In California?
	Well, I don't know what they're talking.
	I didn't want to jump in, because I think one of these threads is like, I'm not even supposed to be on it.
	Yeah, you didn't want to alert anyone to your lurkiness.
	I'm lurking here.
	Oh, it's obvious.
	It's very clear.
	Maybe they meant, by California, they meant Silicon Valley.
	It's possible.
	No, I don't know.
	Believe me, I have no idea.
	I'm thinking, yes.
	But there's something going on.
	This will be a new trend.
	It's like the election was rigged or the election was stolen.
	They keep jumping from point to point to point.
	I mean, it's going to be 2020 before they come up with any conclusions.
	Our democracy was hacked.
	It's my favorite.
	The market shoe is hacked.
	Now, meanwhile, amidst all the face bag issues, the Googles are very quietly setting everything up.
	Hey, everybody, come on over to us.
	We know how to do it.
	And they are all over the news outfits.
	They have something called the Google News Initiative.
	Wee-ha!
	And, well, here's a little promo video.
	Access to reliable quality information should be a right of anybody, wherever they live.
	Today, the journalism industry faces many challenges.
	Readership has become more fragmented, and in many ways the experience of journalism has become more fragmented.
	How can news organizations remain relevant?
	Hold on, stop, stop.
	You have to give some context.
	What is this we're listening to?
	This is the promo video.
	Where did it appear?
	It's just a bunch of talking heads and newsroomy looking.
	It's totally stock footage.
	No, I know, but where did you see it?
	Oh, this is on Google's News Initiative website.
	Oh, just so it's on a website.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	I thought I made that question.
	I thought it was on a news show or something.
	No, no, no.
	This is their own promo video for the Google News Initiative telling you what – telling you.
	You.
	And you should probably send this link to your LibJoes because they can probably participate in this fabulous initiative.
	The experience of journalism has become more fragmented.
	How can news organizations remain relevant in the digital age?
	The traditional world of news media is shifting ever more quickly.
	70% of people can't distinguish between a real story and fake news.
	Disinformation is on the rise.
	Trust in media is falling.
	Journalists are having to do more with less.
	A lot of these solutions will come from the journalism industry and the tech industry working together.
	So, we're announcing the Google News Initiative.
	Our effort to enable journalism to thrive in a digital age.
	It will enable new models for sustainable journalism, elevate quality journalism, and ensure that technology allows journalists to do their jobs even better.
	The solutions to the challenges that the industry is facing has to come from the right mix of journalism and technology.
	I'm really optimistic about the future of journalism.
	We just need to find the best ways for it to be able to flourish.
	I think there will always be a hunger for high quality journalism.
	I think it's never been more important for us to work together.
	And it's only through collaboration that we can do journalism in new and powerful ways.
	Because when journalism succeeds, we all do better.
	Subjugation is liberation!
	Contradiction is truth!
	Those are the facts of this world!
	And you will all surrender to them!
	You pigs in human clothing!
	There you go!
	All your base belong to us.
	The Google News Initiative.
	We had a little chat after the last episode.
	Why does Phil Schindler's name ring a bell?
	Phil, isn't he the guy who wrote Schindler's List?
	Why does his name ring a bell besides that?
	I think he's the Apple guy who does the...
	No, that's...
	I don't know.
	Schindler?
	I don't know.
	Somebody in the chat room knows.
	Phil Schindler.
	Um...
	So Google is, I think what they're saying is partner with us, we'll give you tech, we'll give you technology and algos, and we'll make you successful.
	And if you look at this initiative, they have ways to monetize.
	You've got Google Subscribe.
	This is going to be a fun one.
	So finally, they're rolling out their replacement for RSS. Google Subscribe and your existing credit card will immediately pay.
	And so they're sucking these suckers in.
	But as a long-time journo, and you've been in the news business, you have a very different take on what they're doing, because what you hear in this video is journalists have to do more with less, and you were saying, you know, people are doing it all wrong, these news organizations.
	Oh, you mean my complaint is never-ending complaint, where cheapening the product is not the answer to this?
	That would be the one, yes.
	Well, my thinking is the following, and I've watched this as these newspapers, including our local papers, have started to deteriorate.
	For one thing, over the years, the newspapers have become kind of a cash cow because of classifieds and some of the large department stores that have to advertise in the newspaper.
	They have no real other outlet.
	And so the classifieds dried up.
	It turns out to be about half of their income.
	It just kind of killed all the newspapers.
	And they were starting to lose subscribers because of very – there's a lot of reasons they started losing subscribers.
	But instead of improving the paper by improving the content, making it more accessible, maybe doing something, you know, better reporting, they started.
	About 10 years ago, they started to cheapen the product, pay people less, use more syndicated stuff that's got nothing to do with anyone local.
	You get the New York Times syndicate, you're basically a clone of the New York Times.
	And so you start cheapening the product, expecting people to, like, buy it.
	It's not like Gallo, you know, where they can make a really high-quality product, and they kind of cheapen it over, and right on the cash cow aspect.
	And other people that, you know, you start off with a really good product, and you cheapen it to make money.
	That strategy doesn't work with a newspaper.
	And that's what they've been doing.
	So the products are junk.
	I mean, most newspapers are, you know, they got low-paid reporters, where they used to have high-paid reporters.
	People with no background in the topic because there's a thought that the J School started to promote, which is, wow, you don't really need to know anything.
	You just need to know how to report.
	And, of course, you never ask the right questions because you don't know the business, and so you never get the right story, and so it's always missing important information.
	This is just the way it is, and I don't know what these guys are talking about.
	Philip Schindler, the reason why he was involved in this, is the VP of Global Sales.
	He's the sales guy.
	Okay.
	Well, he's also the blogger.
	I'm looking at their blog.
	Oh, yeah.
	Of course.
	It's a sales operation.
	It has nothing to do with technology.
	There's no...
	It's nothing to do with news.
	No.
	Just sales.
	Exactly.
	We make more money.
	Exactly.
	All that's missing from some of these companies is the guy and the CEO is always smoking a big, kind of a half-smoked cigar.
	Cigar is missing.
	You know what's interesting, though, is news is changing, and news business, they should be careful because they're starting to cut out the middleman.
	And what I mean by that is, you know, it used to be, You really wouldn't use an anonymous source unless...
	You wouldn't use an anonymous source.
	You would say it was this person who said that.
	You wanted someone on the record.
	And now that's become an anonymous source deep inside somewhere who spoke only on...
	Someone familiar with the matter is my all-time favorite.
	Someone spoke on condition of anonymity, which is always the second part to that.
	And so now we've taken it one step further, actually a step back to the 70s, to Operation Mockingbird.
	It's not just some crazy conspiratorial theory I've dreamt up.
	You can Bing it and you'll find out what it is.
	Which resulted in the Church Commission, committee, commission, committee, who then outed all of these CIA assets who were either handing off stories, writing them for the news, for newspapers, and even CBS Television was implicated.
	And books.
	Yeah.
	In books, but some of them just work there.
	And so we kind of cleaned that up, I think.
	I don't know.
	I wasn't really aware.
	Probably not.
	We still see these guys floating around.
	I think CBS, by the way, I've been thinking about this.
	I've been looking at CBS because they got a new news.
	They got a new news director.
	The news director is a young guy, and then they brought in a political director of CBS Evening News.
	It's a woman who used to work on the Rubio campaign.
	Yeah.
	And then I look at Jeff Glore.
	And then I look at Scott Pelley, who was fired for reasons that I still don't fathom.
	If you look at Scott Pelley's Wikipedia page, this guy's won thousands of awards, but it's pretty apparent by some of the obscure interviews he manages to get that he was connected, I think.
	He's got the gray hair.
	I think he may be one of the last guys.
	And now I'm starting to believe possibly John Dickerson...
	Who I like a lot as a reporter because he's pretty even keeled.
	They used to do the weekend, one of those weekends, Face the Nation or the other one.
	And then they kicked him over to the morning show, which he looks like he's miserable in.
	Because I have a clip of him on the morning show trying to read.
	He doesn't like, he feels, I think, he was once a kind of an analyst and now he's a news reader.
	And so when you watch the CBS Morning show, He reads part of the story and then he gets kicked over to the next person.
	The same story.
	He does the opening read and then Gale picks it up and then somebody else, Nora, picks it up.
	So he's hilarious.
	He's basically just the handoff guy.
	He's the transition man.
	Yeah, he's the handoff guy.
	He's a trans man.
	He's a trans man.
	And the look in his face is like, I'm getting up too early in the morning.
	I don't like this job.
	As opposed to Charlie Rose, who was on PBS for so many years, who had that job until they kicked him out, had that job.
	And he's thinking, I'll get up anytime.
	I just need to make more money.
	And it was a huge difference in style.
	But I think CBS has completely cleaned out the Mockingbird people.
	Well, you are correct, as they have moved over to NBC. And that is only really embodied in the form of now paid contributor to NBC in the form of...
	John Brennan, former CIA director.
	He is now a paid consultant on NBC. He only just left the CIA, if you can really leave the CIA. And so he showed up on the Morning Joe's show.
	You knew about this, I presume.
	I saw him on the...
	In fact, I have a clip of him on the Morning Joe show in one of my Trump-Putin League stories.
	Oh, well, I got three lined up.
	It's probably similar stuff.
	Okay, play those.
	Okay, we'll start off first with...
	Oh, wait, before we do that, maybe we can play...
	Let's see if I have it.
	Me too.
	Move a minute.
	Charles Ortel, your buddy, and this guy Jason Goodman, met with Jerome Corsi.
	Recently, because Corsi's got a new book out.
	This guy cranks out all the books.
	He's the one who did Obamination.
	Now he's destroying the deep state.
	I don't agree with all of his theses and some of the stuff, but he does have this.
	Actually, Goodman.
	This is an exchange between Goodman and Corsi, and I want to play this before you play the Brennan clips, because it's about Brennan.
	We've talked about this before.
	We had a spook Clip that somebody talking about this and they saw Brennan and play this clip.
	Doctor, you mentioned John Brennan.
	Yes.
	And of course, as the station chief in Saudi Arabia, he converted to Wahhabi Islam.
	Is this not similar to an intelligence agent in the 1940s becoming a Nazi or in the 1960s becoming a communist?
	It's sort of shocking, isn't it?
	Well, the thing that I think was particularly shocking to me, not that he converted to Islam.
	I mean, I'm going to assume many other people do convert to Islam.
	But that he hid it.
	And that he wouldn't admit to it.
	And Wahhabism, the most extreme form.
	And so he begins speaking Arabic.
	He learns how to speak Arabic.
	And he begins in State Department speeches speaking Arabic.
	First of all, John Brennan comes on the scene.
	There's another book, The Abomination, in which I found out that he was the outside security consultant to Obama that broke in and stole the passport records and sanitized Obama's passport records.
	And then Brennan shows up.
	We have that book right over here.
	In it, I show that Brennan was the one who sanitized the records.
	And when sanitizing the records of the passport, Obama promotes him to become National Security Advisor, and then he gets promoted to being head of the CIA. Aloha, snack bar!
	Nice.
	Now, this is very distressing.
	We had the other clip, which you probably still could find, which is, say, Brennan maybe is the CIA guy who saw him initiating his Muslim career.
	And, of course, if you have the thesis that Obama's a Muslim, which I don't have any doubt about personally, I think this is very concerning.
	It's disconcerting because these are the people that bombed the Twin Towers or were given the responsibility or listed.
	And the hobbyists are a lot of, for all practical purposes, bad actors, Jew haters, and all the rest.
	I don't like This situation in the least.
	And I specifically don't like Brennan.
	And the fact that Brennan is being now used, they rolled him out to spiel out whatever it is, whatever propaganda he's got on his mind.
	I am just very disturbed by this situation.
	And it's not that he's a Muslim who gives a crap, but that he hid it is telling.
	Well, it...
	I do give a crap when the head of the CIA is a Salafist.
	Right.
	This is not a situation that is...
	And it makes you wonder who he brought in, because while he was running the place, I mean, he probably brought in some other people.
	This is a subversive operation for all practical purposes, and I think the CIA has been subverted.
	And I... Wonder what's going on.
	And now that he's over at NBC, it makes me even more suspicious about what's going on, especially at NBC. We don't know what the CIA is.
	I mean, that could be anything at this point.
	And we got a new gal coming in.
	But Brennan is certainly doing his finest work.
	And I love this first clip because you can hear Mika just gasp so audibly.
	A gasp groan, kind of.
	She's so upset about the state of the world.
	Mr.
	Director, you just said our future is in jeopardy.
	That's a chilling statement from someone who knows the things you know about the way our government works and what's happening.
	Do you hear that?
	First she goes, wow, and then...
	She's unhinged.
	She's coming unglued before our eyes here.
	Mr.
	Director, you just said our future is in jeopardy.
	That's a chilling statement from someone who knows the things you know about the way our government works and what's happening around the world.
	What do you mean specifically by that?
	Well, I think he's mishandled so many matters.
	Just look at what happened yesterday with his call to Vladimir Putin.
	Vladimir Putin was the person who authorized the interference in our election.
	Vladimir Putin almost certainly was involved in directing the poisoning of an individual on British soil.
	Two big statements there.
	Right off the bat, almost certainly is my favorite.
	But, you know, just listen to the fact that he's thrown out there.
	Almost certainly was involved in directing the poisoning of an individual on British soil.
	And to congratulate him and to treat him so nicely while he treats Americans with such disdain, I think it just demonstrates that he looks at the world through a prism of what is going to help and protect Donald Trump.
	That is not what presidents are supposed to do.
	I mean, it's so simplistic what he's doing here.
	It's perfect for that show and that audience.
	But, you know, as former director of CIA, not just from a couple years ago, but the most, well, almost most recent one, that's a big deal, these things that he's saying.
	He went on.
	Oh, yeah.
	So, we must remember that President Trump is completely under Putin's control.
	He's got something on him.
	You know, just come on.
	We all know it.
	Just shut up already because it's clear.
	Which brings – I know what clip you're going to play because it's at the end of one of my clips.
	But the thing is that this guy was leading – heading up to CIA and Putin's got something on Trump, which is the thesis.
	Well, he's going to be a little cavalier about it now, isn't he?
	You see, what you're hearing...
	We know that it's always someone who's running the president, and CIA was running Obama, and the military is running Trump.
	And what you're hearing is, I can't believe that he just went off script!
	We've heard about this in the past.
	It's crazy.
	He doesn't do as he's told.
	Now, what kind of power does the president have?
	Can he do what he wants to do?
	Can he say what he wants?
	And this is such an egregious thing he did.
	Just make it into Pearl Harbor.
	He opted to have a summit meeting with Kim Jong-un before really any preparation was being done.
	It shows his impetuousness, the fact that he is not looking at issues with the type of depth and sophistication that is needed.
	He totally ignored the briefing cards that were given to him for his call with Putin.
	Oh no, he ignored the briefing cards!
	Oh, no.
	Impeach?
	When in caps it said, do not congratulate.
	So I think he's mishandled.
	And they put it in caps because he's so stupid to make sure he could see it in all caps.
	And the United States plays a very important role around the globe.
	And I don't know what Mr.
	Trump is going to do, but he is not somebody who's going to study these issues.
	He's not going to take his time.
	To think about what's in the best interest of the United States.
	So I am concerned about our future on national security.
	What do you chalk it up to?
	Why won't the president confront Vladimir Putin?
	Why won't he read the cards and say the things that you say need to be said to Vladimir Putin?
	Why won't he read the cards and say the things you said need to be said to Vladimir Putin?
	Because, is that, I'm sorry, yes, I guess it is an actor we always have in the White House.
	Yeah, it makes total sense.
	Do you believe he is somehow in debt to the president of Russia?
	I think he's afraid of the president of Russia.
	Why?
	Well, I think one can speculate as to why, that the Russians may have something on him personally, that they could always roll out and make his life more difficult.
	Clearly, I think it's important for us to be able to improve relations with Russia.
	But the fact that he has had this fawning attitude toward Mr.
	Putin has not said anything negative about him.
	I think he continues to say to me that he does have something to fear and something very serious to fear.
	This is almost like high school girls.
	Well, you went over to her house.
	You didn't even say something bad about to her because, you know, she's not my friend anymore.
	I can't believe you just didn't call her out.
	That's literally what he's doing here.
	It's pathetic.
	Do you believe Russia has something on him?
	I believe that the Russians would not...
	They would opt for things to do if they believed that it was in their interest.
	And the Russians, I think, have had long experience with Mr.
	Trump and may have things that they could expose.
	Something personal, perhaps?
	Perhaps.
	Perhaps.
	I don't really know.
	I was only head of the intelligence agency.
	Why didn't you say, yeah, I can't tell you, but yeah, exactly.
	No.
	Perhaps.
	That's what he could do, but then he'd be lying, and then when someone would call him out, it would be a problem.
	Last clip.
	Mr.
	Director, we've already had one assault, perhaps an act of war against the United States by Russia on our electorals.
	He forgot to mention Pearl Harbor.
	An act of war.
	John.
	Yeah, Act of War.
	What was it again that they did?
	Spent $49,000 on FaceBag and probed the ports.
	Oh yeah, those damned ads.
	Act of war ads.
	Act of war against the United States by Russia on our electoral system.
	And you talked about the difficulty of dealing with cyber warfare.
	Do you think today we are less safe today in terms of cyber war against our electric grids, financial systems, than we were two or three years ago?
	Are we not paying enough attention?
	Well, I think every day the individuals responsible for the security of those different types of infrastructure are doing their best to try to prevent all the intrusions and assaults that are taking place.
	But the fact that this country has such a wide array of critical infrastructure, there are tremendous opportunities for adversaries to get into the system, navigate, deploy malware, and maybe leave it there so that at some point they could activate it.
	Pew, pew!
	Pew, pew!
	I think every day we have to be looking at how we can further strengthen these systems because every day our adversaries are developing new techniques, new technologies, new ways to assault whether it be critical infrastructure or other parts of our economic and political system.
	So it's hard for me to say right now whether or not we're less safe than we were before.
	I just think that there are more actors out there, and it's not just the nation states and security and intelligence services.
	It's these various companies that have the capabilities to do this.
	Just be afraid, because they can do it at any time.
	Pack our electoral system with malware.
	And the grid.
	If we had a grid that was centralized, you could bring it down, but no.
	Yeah, they keep wanting to centralize it.
	Who wants to centralize it?
	I say no.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Leave it nice and decentralized.
	Well, so this thing that this came out of this Putin-Trump...
	Trump did this on purpose because he was told by...
	I don't know, maybe the McMaster briefing or someone, it was suggested.
	You know, these briefings are suggestions.
	They're not orders.
	Everyone sees them as orders.
	Yeah, they're always an order.
	It's not an order.
	Who's the president?
	It's not McMaster.
	So let's go with this.
	This is the Trump.
	This is the whole fuss right here.
	This is the clip.
	Trump, Putin call, PBS. The snow showed no signs of letting up in Washington today, and neither did criticism of President Trump.
	And his phone call congratulated Russian President Vladimir Putin on his landslide re-election.
	What is the president thinking?
	What are we congratulating for, for being great and hacking into Americans' voting rights?
	I think Putin's a criminal.
	I wouldn't have a conversation with a criminal.
	I think he's afraid of the president of Russia.
	Why?
	Well, I think one can speculate as to why, that the Russians may have something on him personally, that they could always roll out and make his life more difficult.
	So what you're saying is, and I would believe that immediately, Trump purposely had this information leaked?
	No, I don't think he did.
	I think he just put it out there.
	He made it clear enough so he could, he positioned himself so it would get leaked.
	Because he's still trying to get rid of these leakers.
	And he's got another one in there.
	They can't figure out who it is.
	But let's play this Trump-Putin call.
	They got a new woman, unfortunately, at PBS. And I feel sorry for her because she's in over her I guess you need a black person because you need the multi-culti thing going on at PBS NewsHour.
	But she's not that good.
	She's a very poor newsreader.
	Stop for one second.
	On no other show could you say that.
	What you just said.
	The phone would be ringing right now.
	Yeah, we'd be fired.
	There are tons of God, we have a guy over here that I used to work with over at Tech TV who became a reporter for KTVU called David Stevenson.
	Black.
	And he's black.
	And he is dynamite.
	He can read.
	He can do stand-up.
	He can do everything.
	John C. Dvorak, impressed with black newsreaders' ability to read.
	Very good, John.
	You know what I mean.
	The hole is deeper.
	Well, you know what I mean.
	In other words, he can take a teleprompter, read, and he can make it sound like he's, this woman's, and then the, okay, but she can't read.
	She cannot read from a prompter without sounding like she's reading from a prompter.
	She shouldn't be on the show.
	There's plenty of people that are better than she is, but I don't know how she got this job.
	But here's the part, too.
	You can hear a little bit of her.
	But instead took to Twitter, claiming other presidents, like President Obama.
	Oh, she's a dead reader.
	She's a dead reader.
	Oh, this is horrible.
	Yeah, I know what you mean.
	But instead took to Twitter, claiming other presidents, like President Obama, congratulated Putin in the past, too.
	He added, quote, Getting along with Russia and others is a good thing, not a bad thing.
	On Sunday, Putin won his fourth term with more than 76% of the vote, a victory some election observers said was rigged.
	You know, she reminds me of the first time Natalie Morris, when she was still Natalie Del Conte, when she came in and we taught her how to do television.
	Yeah.
	She also would read like that, kind of dead, you know, what I'm saying?
	Well, that's why we took her off the prompter.
	That's right.
	Because she's good at it.
	She was good at free flow.
	But this woman is actually okay as a...
	She's only okay as an interviewer.
	She does interviews, too.
	She's really...
	She's subpar for what is a national news broadcast at this level.
	As we say, she's not yet ready for primetime.
	She's just not.
	She's not.
	She's not ready for primetime.
	But they've got her.
	She's on primetime.
	Is she hot?
	Is she hot?
	She's...
	No, not...
	Well, no, not to my thinking.
	Maybe she is to somebody's.
	But she's just not...
	I mean, there's too many good people.
	I just feel bad for people who are struggling to get into these positions, and then they must watch this and go, how did she get that job?
	Well, hello, Al Sharpton.
	Well, okay, point taken.
	What's her name again?
	Yalmish?
	Yeah, something like that.
	She's got a weird name, too.
	Alcindor.
	Alcindor.
	I have no idea.
	Anyway, this is going to be an issue with me, personally, because these clips are terrible the way she reads.
	So let's go over to CBS, which has got his more balanced report, and then hear the whole Trump-Putin leak.
	And I think this is a report that's far superior to someone who comes up with the line, it's raining cats and dogs, and Trump's wearing cats and dogs, just kind of with an opening of that other clip.
	Here we go.
	Yamiche Alcindor is a former national reporter for the New York Times covering politics and social justice issues.
	Woo-hoo!
	Yeah, New York Times.
	New York Times, you know, reporters who write copy aren't necessarily good on camera.
	No.
	No, witness the Rachel Maddow show.
	She has them on all the time.
	They're horrible.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Here's the report.
	White House correspondent Major Garrett.
	Oh!
	President Trump's decision to congratulate Vladimir Putin for winning an election where the leading opposition candidate was barred from even running brought a raft of criticism from members of Mr.
	Trump's own party.
	I don't think it's a great idea.
	I think Putin's a criminal.
	The president was being polite.
	I think the president knows that...
	Mr.
	Putin, with all due respect, is a thug.
	I would have a conversation with a criminal.
	The president defended the call on Twitter today, writing, Getting along with Russia and others is a good thing, not a bad thing.
	They can help solve problems with North Korea, Syria, Ukraine, ISIS, Iran, and even the coming arms race.
	I had a call with President Putin and congratulated him on the victory.
	In a briefing book prepared for him by the National Security Council staff the night before, Mr.
	Trump was advised not to congratulate the Russian president.
	That advice later leaked to the media.
	Florida Republican Marco Rubio.
	I don't like what he did, but I really hate that there's someone in his inner circle that's wanting to leak this stuff.
	And if you don't like working for the president, you should resign your job.
	The President and Chief of Staff John Kelly are aggravated by the leak of what was described as a classified document.
	Now, the President held a separate briefing with advisors just before he telephoned Putin.
	No advice was given then about whether to offer.
	Congratulations.
	Jeff?
	Major, thank you.
	Geez.
	So they made a big fuss.
	This is all over the talk radio scene.
	Really?
	It's so uninteresting.
	It's major.
	And what actually was interesting to me, there was a hearing on the Hill.
	We're still, of course, trying to figure out exactly what happened.
	How did Russia hack our election?
	How did they attack Pearl Harbor-style attack our election process?
	Yes, active war.
	And J. Johnson, formerly the head of the Department of Homeland Security, J. Johnson, he was asked...
	He should have been the guy that stopped it.
	Yes, well, listen to what he said to Dianne Feinstein.
	Let me ask you this first question.
	I don't understand.
	You learned about this in August.
	You did a number of specific things.
	You spoke about the dates that you did these things.
	And yet, the American people were never told.
	Why?
	Why?
	Well, Senator, the American people were told...
	Not sufficiently in any way, shape, or form to know that there was a major active measure going on, perhaps by a foreign power.
	Did you say stop?
	Yes, stop.
	As I listen to this, I'm thinking, he's saying, well, they were told issues.
	Well, not in a major, major way.
	And then his follow-up line was, yeah, well, everyone expected Hillary to win, so it didn't make any difference.
	Well, that's the truth.
	But let's hear the story.
	That's better.
	And when you hear the story, you'll understand why this clip hasn't aired much on your favorite television news programs.
	Well, Senator, the American people were told...
	Not sufficiently in any way, shape, or form to know that there was a major active measure going on, perhaps by a foreign power.
	On October 7th, 2016, the Director of National Intelligence and I issued a pretty blunt statement saying that the Russian government was interfering in our political process Directed by the highest levels of the Russian government.
	That was a pretty blunt statement.
	Some people believe we should have done that sooner.
	And frankly, it did not get the attention that I thought it should have received.
	It was below the full news the next day.
	Because of the release of the Access Hollywood video the same day and a number of other events.
	I was expecting follow-up from a lot of journalists, and we never got that because everyone was focused on the campaign and that video and the debate that Sunday.
	The ironic video.
	Isn't that fantastic?
	We could have known much earlier about Russia, but you ignored me.
	For the grabbing by the pussy.
	Everyone was grabbing by the pussy.
	Now everyone's Russia, Russia, Russia.
	Why didn't you tell us?
	Oh, my goodness.
	It's hilarious.
	You can't write it.
	You just can't write this stuff.
	Now, regarding the Mueller investigation, it dawned on me.
	Mueller was the guy who was there during 9-11.
	He came in right before 9-11 happened.
	Then the intelligence services went nuts.
	They went absolutely crazy.
	They were spying on everybody, running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
	And, of course, we ultimately came up with the fabulous Patriot Act, which is why we find ourselves in the police state we do today.
	And there's a lot of people complicit in a lot of things.
	I'm sure a lot of illegality.
	Let's just leave to the side if 9-11 was an inside job or there was any knowledge.
	Let's put that to the side because it doesn't matter.
	But a lot of people messed up.
	A lot of people made mistakes.
	And it was so bad that they had to have him stay on for an additional two years against a law that was put in place precisely to prohibit an FBI director like the cross-dressing nutjob.
	Hoover.
	Hoover.
	Hoover?
	J. Edgar Hoover.
	J. Edgar Hoover.
	From building a fiefdom mainly based on sexual evidence.
	A blackmail.
	A blackmail outfit.
	Yeah, it's a blackmail outfit.
	That's his origins.
	It still has elements of that.
	There's no way...
	Your origin story is always going to be in there.
	It's culture.
	These things don't go away.
	It's culture.
	That's why Google is creating the exact police state that its founders came from.
	These kids are both Russians.
	They know what it's like.
	They are building what they know.
	Anyway, look at what's happening with the people around this in the FBI. To me, it dawned on me, this looks like an extraction exercise.
	Get out everybody who was really wrong, who did the wrong things, who were on the wrong side of history, law, etc.
	Eject them.
	I think he's not there to find anything on Russia.
	He's there to extract people.
	That's an interesting thesis.
	They're definitely starting to fade away, a few of them.
	Yeah, you rarely hear them speak.
	I mean, Peter Strzok, will we ever meet this guy?
	No.
	Yeah, how come he's not on the talk shows instead of Brennan?
	And then Andy, Andy McCabe.
	Is he out on the talk show circuit?
	I haven't seen him.
	Nope.
	He could be.
	I haven't seen him.
	I'm trying to find him.
	It could just be cleaning the rest of the cleanup.
	Yeah, clean up the mess.
	Yes.
	Anyway, that's just a thought I had.
	And another thought...
	It's possible.
	Now that we know that Cambridge Analytica...
	Also clean up and cover up.
	Clean up, cover up.
	Now that we know they were using information dominance, and psychographics, which is all a form of psychological warfare...
	I'm thinking that we probably should or someone should indict Scott Adams for really throwing the election.
	Because he used his...
	He's a trained hypnotist.
	He hypnotized people on Twitter and on Periscope.
	He made them all believe that Trump was a great guy.
	Yeah, no, think about it for a second.
	I think Scott Adams is the reason Trump won.
	And I believe he should be indicted.
	Indicted for what?
	For hacking the election?
	For information dominance, yes!
	Information dominance, hacking.
	But what's the law against that?
	If you're going to indict somebody, you have to have something to indict them about.
	Hello, look at the guy.
	You're telling me he is not butt buddies with Putin?
	He's got the same bald head.
	Oh yeah, he does look a lot like Putin.
	Come on, come on.
	I think Scott Adams needs to go down.
	Yeah, Putin and Scott Adams.
	Makes sense.
	Now that I think about it.
	I'm just waiting for that to happen.
	It would not surprise me.
	We can't pin it on Facebook.
	Scott Adams!
	And it's in Dilbert.
	Just look at the cartoons.
	There's all kinds of Trump hair.
	Yeah.
	I'm telling you.
	This is how crazy we've become.
	Well, it's not going to get any better.
	No.
	I hope they come up with something to kind of stave off this...
	You know, what's going to be a huge Democrat victory in 2018?
	I'd like to back it off a little bit.
	We don't want to have the place go crazy.
	Why?
	What's wrong with you?
	That'd be fantastic for the show.
	You care about life?
	Who gives a crap about life?
	We don't care.
	I mean, we're doomed.
	Here's what we're going to get more of.
	There is a little battle royale going on between a couple of books that came out about the same time.
	Ah, yes.
	And one of them is published by a local publisher, Chronicle Books, which is right down the street from Mevio, where they were.
	And Chronicle Books has got, and there's two books.
	One of it is done by, I guess, the Pence family, and the other one is done by John Oliver.
	Yeah, this is an interesting story.
	Interesting.
	So John Oliver somehow found out about the other book even though they worked on it and jumped the gun with a book that looks the same on the shelves.
	It looks almost like the exact same book.
	And he got it out a day earlier, which was kind of funny, and it's about the rabbit that's owned by Pence.
	It's the Pence family.
	It's the bunny books.
	Well, it is a book battle over a vice presidential pet rabbit.
	Yes.
	In one corner, Vice President Mike Pence's family.
	In the other, HBO talk show host John Oliver.
	ABC 7 News reporter Melanie Woodrow explains one of the big winners in this bunny battle is a San Francisco book publisher.
	Everyone is different, and different is not bad.
	Chronicle Books president reading from what is now the number one best-selling book on Amazon, titled Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, presents A Day in the Life of Marlon Bundo.
	In our 50 years of the company, we've never published a book like this.
	Marlon Bundo is Vice President Mike Pence's Family Bunny.
	On Monday, Pence's daughter and wife released this book, Marlon Bundo's A Day in the Life of the Vice President.
	But one night prior, stealing the release's thunder was John Oliver's version.
	A surprise for readers, but not a surprise for Chronicle Books.
	They've been working on this project for approximately five months.
	It's truly a standout in our history.
	This version focuses on Marlon Bundo's personal life as he falls in love and decides to marry another male bunny.
	This is a very important storyline for us, being part of San Francisco and the culture here, and we really did jump at the chance to be a part of sending a message like this.
	Standing in Marlon Bundo's way, the story's antagonist, the stink bug.
	He does look a little bit like the vice president, but he's just the stink bug.
	Until the rest of the animals get together.
	Wait a minute.
	We need to decide who's in charge.
	We get to decide who's important.
	We can vote.
	The story concludes stink bugs are temporary.
	Love is forever.
	Chronicle Books printed 40,000 copies to start.
	Not nearly enough just days later.
	They're now back on press for 400,000 copies.
	In San Francisco, Melanie Woodrow, ABC 7 News.
	Well, proceeds from John Oliver's book will go to LBGTQ Group, The Trevor Project, and AIDS United.
	Proceeds from the Pence book are being donated to A21, a non-profit focused on combating human trafficking and an art therapy program at Riley Hospital for Children.
	Yeah.
	Ha ha ha.
	You know what this is?
	This is make sure we discredit and take down Pence before we get Trump out so we don't have to deal with that yahoo.
	Yeah, well, they're being very ineffective with that, and this doesn't do it.
	All this does is just promotes gay bunnies, which I think is ludicrous, because a bunny can't find a girl.
	Gay bunnies.
	It's about gay bunnies.
	That's what the story's about.
	You're right.
	Beautiful.
	Yeah, local story.
	Okay, well another story that actually wasn't local to you was in Arizona.
	And wow, we got the video immediately and I know why.
	This is the Professor Ted portion of the show where the unintended consequences of technology kill you, such as the self-driving Uber car.
	Ah, yes.
	Do you have a clip?
	No, but I do have a note from somebody that's nearby.
	I have his note right here.
	Okay.
	So first of all, what was beautiful about the video that was released very quickly after Uber immediately said they're suspending their autonomous vehicle program is they released the video.
	First, you see the – if you haven't seen it, it's in the show notes, nashownotes.com.
	You see the outside view, and you see the headlights.
	All of a sudden, poop in the headlights of this road.
	It almost looks like a country road, really.
	This woman pops in front with her bicycle, and boom, and then you see the interior, and you see the – I think the woman who was the safety driver, who was not looking.
	Some say she's texting, but I think she was just looking at the screen, just looking down at the screen, all the pretty colors.
	And then you see her shocked and horrified face as she's about to run over somebody.
	This woman, by the way, is a convicted felon.
	She served five years for...
	The one that got hit?
	No, the one who was the safety driver.
	Oh, okay.
	Apparently Uber has an issue with hiring convicted or ex-cons, which I don't really have a problem with, but it doesn't look too good.
	Not for that job, for sure.
	It doesn't look too good in this particular scenario.
	So we got a note from producer Brian Kaufman.
	I live right near where the Uber self-driving accident occurred and the Uber released video showing that apparently no driver could have avoided hitting that woman in a million years is totally misleading.
	See my YouTube video below where I drive the same path as the Uber autonomous car.
	And he also drove at night.
	And it's completely different.
	It's highly illuminated.
	You could have seen this out of the corner of your eye.
	I'm pretty sure.
	But yet the story, because it was handily done by the crisis management group, whoever handles that for them, and it was, ah, well, even if it was an experienced driver with hands on the wheel, they never would have seen her.
	It's bullshit.
	Yeah, it's bullshit.
	And the videos will all be on the show notes.
	Yes, and I think we should stop allowing Silicon Valley companies to treat us as guinea pigs.
	What are these states even thinking of?
	Arizona and California, allowing this on the road.
	Can I remember this news?
	I think we maybe had a clip of the guy talking about it.
	Some guy discussing, and his Uber, talking about these autonomous cars in San Francisco, which they took off the road in San Francisco.
	Mm-hmm.
	And just as they were showing the thing driving around, and they show it going through a red light.
	It's just right there, on the news, live.
	Yeah, beautiful.
	Yeah, we need to refuse this.
	This is not a good thing to have on our streets.
	And then I had two other things.
	Yes, net neutrality.
	So YouTube has now officially started banning firearms-related content.
	Do you have gun safety?
	No.
	No gun safety on YouTube.
	No firearms related content allowed.
	I'm not quite sure to what extent this will go.
	But this has been one of the great things about YouTube is to watch people blow stuff up.
	You know, hot chicks with semi-automatic weapons in bikinis.
	Come on!
	Yeah.
	What's wrong with these guys?
	This is Google.
	Yeah, but they're stupid because that's the stuff that's ratings bonanza.
	And they didn't have to do it.
	What was the point?
	What were they virtue signaling for?
	Virtue signaling, yeah.
	It wouldn't have made any difference if they'd said nothing.
	But this is your net neutrality where you now have effectively given control to these companies and now you're surprised when you can't see what they don't want you to see.
	What's the difference between that and an ISP blocking stuff?
	Nothing.
	But that's just unlawful content.
	Unlawful traffic is next with this story, and this is what we've been looking at.
	All new net neutrality laws, the federal level, have been abolished, admonished, abolished.
	But states are now starting to put these laws into place.
	They're talking about it.
	And it all includes the unlawful content that's also part of the back page law.
	And eventually, as was originally written in the net neutrality laws, unlawful traffic.
	And now that the story is just breaking, it's breaking the news.
	Child pornography is now hidden and being found in blockchain.
	Yeah, I found this to be fascinating.
	Well, but this would make it unlawful traffic, you see.
	This is why I like it so much.
	Yeah, it would be.
	Because you would have to block the blockchain.
	It's called blockchain for a reason.
	Block the blockchain because it can and probably does contain child pornography.
	It's perfect.
	It's the perfect setup to do away with cryptos, get everything back to normal, you know, the way we like it.
	Well, it's definitely an interesting ploy.
	On the topic of lying, you have a...
	Was I lying?
	Who was lying?
	The government.
	Oh, okay.
	Uber.
	This is thematically discussing lying.
	Nobody's got child porn in their blockchain.
	So this is one.
	Grendel in Northern Ireland.
	She says, one of our producers, Pelosi made it sound like the Peace Wall in Belfast was gone.
	It's still there.
	Barricades come down each night and close off the Falls Road area.
	Don't let them let you think that the wall is gone.
	And then she has sent a picture of her son by the wall from last summer.
	This is more lies that were being fed.
	Well, you know what we do in a case like that?
	We need a transition.
	Traffic and weather is next.
	I'm going to show myself old by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda in the morning.
	And indeed, we do have some people to thank for show 1080.
	And you may go back and read Ephesians 6, 1080.
	Aaron Shively, $111.11.
	He says, as a Christian, the image of Ephesians 10.18 in the newsletter spoke to me.
	There you go.
	Very good.
	No one's ever used this trick before.
	It's not a trick.
	Gina Brown.
	It's not really a trick.
	Actually, it's a ruse.
	There you go.
	Gina Brown.
	A gambit.
	It's a gambit.
	I'm going to do it more.
	If it comes up, I mean, it just so happens that there was that good quote.
	I read it myself.
	I said the same thing you did.
	I said, this is interesting.
	This kind of talks to me.
	It's got no agenda material in there.
	I think the funny thing about that piece of scripture was at the end of it, it just says to pray like crazy all the time.
	I was thinking, maybe shouldn't we just read that so people know what the heck we're talking about?
	It's kind of long.
	Oh, okay.
	You can read it if you...
	No, I don't think so.
	It's not that...
	It's hard to read scripture and make it sound good.
	Gina Brown in Providence Village, Texas.
	If you got the news there, just go back.
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	For a while, I had determined as a psychographic data point, there's a difference in people, and some people fold the toilet paper.
	All the folding toilet paper thing.
	And some people scrunch the toilet paper.
	If he had said toilet paper folder, I would have known what you're talking about.
	And to date, ten years later, you've never told me if you're a folder or a scruncher.
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	I did one drunk once, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
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	So there is a nice lesbian cat fight.
	Is there ever a bad lesbian cat fight?
	Not that I know of.
	I'll just read the headlines from People Magazine.
	Cynthia Nixon knocked as unqualified lesbian after announcing run for New York governor.
	Unqualified lesbian?
	Yeah, unqualified lesbian.
	So she...
	And this was from the other lesbian, the famous New York lesbian who ran for mayor.
	Who's that?
	And Cynthia Nixon refused to support her.
	And so she called out Nixon.
	It's just these two women.
	Wow.
	And Nixon is running for governor against Cuomo.
	I think she can win it.
	You know, Tina and I saw her on TV the other day, and I said the same thing.
	I said, she can win.
	She can totally win.
	Yeah.
	But who is this?
	And are they saying that they're bad lesbians?
	Is that what they're doing in public?
	No, she's just an unqualified lesbian.
	How do you qualify for being a lesbian?
	No, she means unqualified lesbian running for governor.
	She's not...
	Wait, she's unqualified, but since she's a lesbian, she's an unqualified lesbian on top of it.
	I mean, I think it's very poorly worded.
	That's what she said.
	This was a quote from the woman.
	But there's a huge, just a massive turn against Cuomo.
	So he's susceptible to getting knocked out.
	Why is there a turn against him?
	What's going on?
	There's a bunch of things.
	He failed to be politically correct in some situation.
	There's a lot of little things that are adding up and I got a Even the New Yorkers turned against him.
	I think he's susceptible.
	And I think there's some romance by putting an actress, lesbian actress, as governor, kind of as a counterbalance to Trump.
	It's about Trump.
	Come on.
	And having her running the place, this is going to be just great.
	New York is screwed up enough, but this will really top it off.
	Wow.
	Yeah, that will be fun to watch.
	It's your beat.
	I'll take it.
	Australia.
	Pretty much ground central, once again, of social justice movement.
	I'm very surprised by this.
	This is a new ruling.
	That the Australian Nursing and Midwifery Code of Conduct has published, as published, and must be followed now in all facilities where you nurse and help people.
	I'm joined by a founder of the Nurses Professional Association of Queensland to discuss, as I said to you, as I understand that this new code of conduct for nurses in Queensland requires obviously white nurses to announce they've got white privilege before they can look after patients of an Indigenous or Torres Strait Islander background.
	Am I right there?
	Yes, you are.
	Except that it's not just Queensland, Peter.
	It's all of Australia.
	There's 350,000 nurses and midwives Australia-wide, and they're all now subject to this new code.
	It's extraordinary.
	So my sister is a nurse.
	She works in Indigenous communities.
	She was the matron of the Walgett Hospital, very big Indigenous population.
	As I said, she's a nurse, but she's also a midwife.
	So before she delivers a baby to an Indigenous woman, she's supposed to put her hands up and say, I need to talk to you about my white privilege, not about my infection control, not about my qualifications or my training as a midwife.
	It's about white privilege, whatever that means.
	That's right.
	Now, if I can just quote just a sentence from this, the new Code of Conduct, which I'm holding here in the glossary, which defines it, and it gives a sense of what this stuff is about.
	And this is what the glossary, how it defines cultural safety and the white privilege thing.
	This is the sentence, right?
	In relation to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health, cultural safety provides a decolonising model of practice based on dialogue, communication, power sharing and negotiation and the acknowledgement of white privilege.
	And it goes on in this particular vein.
	This is really eye-warring stuff and we could have a bit of a chuckle about it but it has really serious consequences for nurses.
	What are you doing with this clip?
	How does this stuff get passed?
	Passed?
	Oh, well, I don't know if it's a...
	It's not a law.
	It's a code of conduct.
	Yeah, but who puts it forward?
	The social justice warriors.
	Hello?
	Why does anybody pay any attention to them?
	Well, it's a code of conduct.
	You have to follow the code of conduct.
	And before you help someone, kind of like this show, before we start the show, we should say, Hi, I'm Adam Curry.
	I have white privilege.
	And then we start the show.
	I guess you now have to say it up front.
	You're flabbergasted.
	You're gobsmacked.
	I'm gobsmacked.
	That's a good word.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'd give you a clip of the day, but it's so disgusting.
	I'm not going to give it a clip of the day.
	You can't have it.
	But wow, what's wrong there?
	That's not good.
	I am mean.
	From the Free Speech Shut Up Slave Department, I'm sure you saw or heard about the guy, Count Dankula, who taught his dog to Heil Hitler.
	I'm very confused by this story, and I'll explain why when you're done.
	Okay, well, I think I can tell you why this...
	The dog saluting Heil Hitler is not the problem with this clip.
	First of all, who gives a crap?
	The guy's an idiot.
	And it's still available on YouTube.
	I don't know how that works.
	If you can go to jail, but yet, ooh, YouTube can still have it up there.
	I watched the clip.
	I didn't just take it at the headline value, which most people do, because no one said, geez, look at the clip.
	So this is what...
	It's like 30 seconds before...
	You know, the dog, he basically is just giving his paw.
	Except that he taught the dog, instead of paw, he said, uh, Heil Hitler.
	And then the dog raises his paw.
	Oh, very funny.
	But it's this part that I found disturbing.
	It is always ranting and raving about how cute and adorable her wee dog is.
	And so I thought I would turn them into the least cute thing that I could think of, which is a Nazi.
	Buddha.
	Buddha.
	Do I gas the Jews?
	Do I gas the Jews?
	Mon will gas the Jews, son.
	Do I gas the Jews?
	Do I gas the Jews?
	Come on, gas the Jews.
	Mon gas the Jews, son.
	Mon.
	Do I gas the Jews?
	So the whole time he has taught the dog to pay attention when he says, do you want to gas the Jews?
	Why wasn't this reported?
	Well, there's a question of the day.
	Seriously, he keeps going.
	Do I gas the Jews?
	Do I gas the Jews?
	Guess the Jews?
	And the dog's sleeping.
	Sleeping here.
	It's time to get up now, Buddha.
	Yes, get up now.
	It's time to get up.
	It's time to guess the Jews.
	Do I guess the Jews?
	I mean, that's the story.
	That's what's mind-boggling.
	Yet, oh, he taught his dog to Heil Hitler.
	Well, who gives a crap?
	This guy is out of his mind.
	Great.
	I can't believe it.
	I can't believe nobody else ran with that instead of this stupid salute which is just all dogs do that.
	Yeah, because I don't know why.
	That's the story to me.
	I don't know why either.
	This is what we cover on this show.
	It's like What are these guys?
	They get paid good money to report.
	Yes.
	I did want to make mention of the Sleipnet Vet in the Netherlands.
	This is literal translation Dragnet Law.
	And this is where they had a referendum, and then all of a sudden it's like, well, no, you can't have a referendum.
	Then they had some local elections, and then 47% of people said, we want a referendum, and we don't want this dragnet.
	And so shut up, slave.
	Long story short, they're getting the dragnet.
	And what this means in the Netherlands, which I think is a big problem, A global problem because the Amsterdam Internet Exchange, these are important exchange points of the interwebs as we know them.
	The authorities now, up until now, were only allowed to put in a wiretap or an internet tap, as they call it, on individuals.
	Now, with the Dragnet Law, as it's described, we'll be able to jack into the fiber itself and suck up anything they need.
	Anything.
	You mean like the NSA does already?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Well, that was Stellarwind.
	Was that the name of it?
	Operation Stellarwind.
	That's what Binnie uncovered.
	Anyway, so they're installing that now in the Netherlands.
	And people don't want it.
	They really don't like it.
	They're going to go along with it because they're really subservient slaves there.
	Having grown up there, I can say that.
	But it's disturbing.
	Because, you know...
	Everybody's trying to get into the act.
	Everyone's trying to get into the act.
	You know, some nice propaganda that was uncovered.
	One of our producers sent this to me.
	You know, we've been talking about the Novichok, which is still unclear exactly what it is, other than that Putin instructed personally to have this Novichok virus kill these two people in the UK. That's pretty much the story we've heard, right?
	That's exactly the story we've heard.
	As always, it has to be Putin.
	We don't know for sure.
	We really don't know for sure, but who else would do it?
	Who else would it be?
	And Novichok's has been kind of this mythical thing that was talked about.
	They had this, you know, the binary thing. - Binary.
	- And it was, you know, and it was whispered about, but no one, it really, to anyone's knowledge, it really doesn't exist. - And they won't send a sample to Russia.
	- No, they won't send a sample.
	But on a show, TV drama series, Strike Back, I think the title of the episode was Retribution.
	This aired in the UK just a couple of weeks ago.
	Here's a little piece from it.
	Dr.
	Markov was the rising star of the Russian chemical weapons program.
	For years, we've heard this myth about something called Novichok, a nerve gas that was undetectable, easy to transport, and ten times stronger than any other strain.
	Markov was said to be behind it.
	So how come he ended up working in a hospital under an assumed name?
	Because Novichok wasn't a myth.
	The Russians were so terrified of what they'd made, they blew the whistle on themselves after Vladivostok.
	There was a leak in the chemical plant where Markov was overseeing its creation.
	Every single person working there died as a result.
	Except Markov.
	He disappeared, went dark.
	It might have been an accident, but there's a strong suspicion that Markov deliberately released the Novichok.
	This is the man Jane Lowry wants.
	Coincidence?
	I think not!
	Nicely done, UK. Very good.
	Somebody pointed out, one of our producers pointed out that Salisbury is only five miles away from the nerve gas production facilities of the UK. Yeah, Porter Down.
	Yeah, Porter Down.
	Oh yeah, it's fantastic.
	Yeah, this whole thing stinks.
	It stinks.
	And by the way, talking about bad news reporting and missing the point and doing all this other stuff, I want to play the end, the classic end.
	This is on KPIX.com.
	San Francisco.
	This is the news guys, how they finish the news broadcast.
	They're kind of goofing around.
	It's actually...
	Sorry?
	Well, goofy and then you always have to shuffle your papers.
	Yeah, here we go.
	I've never seen this offer.
	These girls at the Kings game sharing a bottle of mayonnaise.
	Pass the butter.
	Perhaps better served mayonnaise and deep fried Twinkies.
	Now, where was this again?
	Hockey?
	Hockey?
	That was at the Kings game.
	Los Angeles.
	Were they Canadian?
	Did they have, like, the French fries?
	Isn't that a delicacy?
	They were just down to mayonnaise.
	The mayo with the French fries?
	Is that possible?
	I don't know.
	They held the French fries in that case.
	Oh, mon die.
	Mon die.
	Au revoir.
	Oh, God.
	It was like out of control.
	Yeah, that's when they all get giddy.
	It's called pile jumping.
	It's stupid.
	It doesn't work.
	It just doesn't work.
	I don't know if they were supposed to be doing that.
	Al Gore has finally come out and helped us understand something.
	Did he come out with a bathrobe?
	No.
	The difference between global warming and climate change.
	Oh.
	According to his Climate Reality Project.
	You ready?
	You might want to write this down.
	Global warming applies to the long-term trend of rising average global temperatures.
	Climate change is a broader term that reflects the fact that carbon pollution does more than just warm our planet.
	Carbon pollution is also changing rain and snow patterns and increasing the risk of intense storms and droughts.
	How does that work?
	Notice the term carbon pollution.
	Yeah.
	It's not carbon.
	It was carbon dioxide.
	No.
	Carbon itself.
	All carbon.
	You're a carbon-based creature.
	Yes.
	You should die.
	I'm part of climate.
	I am responsible for climate change.
	I'm horrible.
	But okay.
	No questions asked.
	We'll just go.
	I have a longer segment I want to do.
	So if you've got something you want to get out of the way.
	Yeah, I do.
	Okay, I only have a couple of clips that I want to talk about.
	Fur?
	Okay.
	The Me Too movement.
	I thought this was interesting because we predicted this.
	The Me Too movement created a very interesting effect for working women because on the one hand, it's a very, very important movement that brought to the surface discussions that should have happened a long, long time ago.
	And on the other hand, a recent survey commissioned by the Lean In Foundation found that the number of men who are reluctant to help Junior women through mentorship has tripled through the lead-in.
	So there is sort of a backlash.
	That is a problem because without the men mentoring women, and if they occupy most leadership positions now, how will women get the opportunity to advance?
	I mean, should we say, hey, can we come to the golf course with you?
	Yeah, that's what you get.
	Yeah, of course that's what you get.
	It's sad, but that's what you get.
	I think the thing that was frightening to me is your discussion of your experience at Kleiner Perkins with the women who are actually going after men.
	Yeah.
	Trying to set them up.
	Trying to set them up so they can make a payday.
	And she had done it before.
	Of course, she failed on me.
	Right.
	Just in the hashtag MeToo, Weinstein Company has now been granted bankruptcy.
	Bye-bye.
	Thanks for playing.
	Thank you for playing.
	The head of Latham Watkins, big-ass law.
	It's the biggest law firm in the world, I think.
	Isn't it?
	Latham Watkins?
	I don't know that.
	Let me see.
	That's okay.
	The chairman, William Vogue, is relinquishing his position and retiring from the firm after engaging in sexual communications with a woman unaffiliated with Latham.
	Yeah, that's not good.
	And what it seems like is he was either on some chat site.
	He never met her in person, but I guess he was doing inappropriate things.
	So probably of the Anthony Weiner nature.
	And they wanted to be ahead of this before it came out.
	So we still may see some great pictures.
	Yeah, I doubt it.
	It's wishful thinking.
	Okay.
	Fur.
	Fur.
	Yeah, fur.
	This is a little story.
	This is, of course, this is, again, our Bay Area.
	It's like you like to bitch about.
	It's fur sales in San Francisco.
	San Francisco is poised to become the first major American city to ban the sale of fur.
	Supervisors will vote tomorrow, despite criticism from retailers who say it will cost them millions.
	ABC 7 News reporter Carolyn Tyler has the story.
	It's estimated somewhere between 30 and 50 retailers in San Francisco sell fur.
	The big ones in Union Square include Macy's, Neiman Marcus, and Saps.
	Don't wear fur!
	For decades, they've been the target of demonstrations by animal rights activists.
	But soon there may be nothing left to protest.
	First sales in stores and online will be banned under a measure sponsored by Supervisor Katie Tang.
	I believe it's necessary to pass such legislation because around the world there's an estimated 50 million and maybe even upwards to 100 million animals that are slaughtered each year solely for the purpose of providing us with first The city says the ban will cost retailers about $10 to $11 million a year in lost sales.
	Retailers peg it much higher at $45 million annually and say outlawing fur will also tarnish the brand of Union Square as an international shopping destination.
	Karen Flood is head of the Union Square Business Improvement District.
	This is certainly an ethical issue, and San Francisco has values, but the question is, should these values be imposed on individuals and their right to choose what they do and how they shop?
	Okay, a couple things.
	First, did she say an epical issue?
	I thought that was kind of funny.
	She said that, yes.
	Epical.
	She also mentioned right to choose, which I thought was interesting juxtaposition.
	So is this now a law, a regulation?
	It's about to pass.
	It's a law.
	City ordinance, a city law?
	Yeah, it'll be a city.
	You will be foreboding to sell any kind of fur.
	Right.
	And by the way, they have a logo.
	It says no fur, and in the logo there's two animals, both coyotes.
	And I'm thinking, who the hell wears a coyote fur?
	Anybody had a coyote coat recently?
	Well, it could be.
	I don't know.
	I mean, I've never heard of such a thing.
	And the 50 million animals we're talking about, usually the bred animals are bred in cages like this.
	Horrible minks, which are the worst kind of ferret that's only good for fur.
	Yeah, it's a nasty animal.
	It's a very nasty animal, but you know...
	Why did they stop...
	What I always found effective as a kid is I found the clubbing the baby seal on the pristine sheet of ice...
	That was kind of effective.
	I mean, just as yelling and jumping up and down.
	Why don't they bring that back?
	That works.
	Better than the coyotes.
	Yeah.
	I always liked the clubbing of the baby seal.
	Yeah, the clubbing of the seals.
	I think they stopped doing that, so they had to go to old B-roll.
	Who cares?
	I mean, we have the...
	We have the poor polar bear on the floating piece of ice who's starving because he can't swim, apparently.
	The only polar bear who can't swim.
	So I think bring back the clubbing of the baby seals.
	That would probably be effective.
	But they don't even bother.
	They just passed the law.
	We're not trying to get the public around here.
	Everybody's all anti-fur.
	It's fine.
	As though you need fur in the San Francisco Bay area.
	That's another interesting point.
	Which is another point.
	You don't really need fur.
	The only people that buy those fur coats at Saks is the people that travel to the city and they live in, you know, Vladivostok and they want to get a fur coat more inexpensively, although I can't believe they're not dirt cheap in Russia.
	They've got to be cheaper there.
	Yeah, that's it.
	Now, I might as well play my last clip and then the rest of the show is yours.
	Oh, okay.
	And this is just a news item we've got to keep an eye on.
	This is the mumps outbreak.
	Now there's something phony about this.
	You might have thought the mumps was a disease of the past.
	There's been a vaccine for decades.
	But cases of the mumps are on the rise among young adults, even those who believe they were protected.
	Here's Dr.
	John LaPook.
	It's the biggest all-star competition in the whole entire world.
	Last month, there was a mumps scare at a national cheerleading competition in Dallas.
	More than 25,000 participants and coaches were told they may have been exposed to the highly contagious virus after a competitor came down with the mumps.
	The Texas Department of Health says no related cases have been reported so far.
	But at James Madison University in Harrisonburg, Virginia, there have been 24 confirmed cases since January.
	A health scare on the men's basketball team postpones their upcoming games.
	Health officials are asking students to get immunized if their vaccinations are not up to date.
	Even so, most recent outbreaks have been in young, vaccinated adults.
	A report out today found that immunity after mumps vaccination lasts an average of 27 years, and a quarter of people lose their protection after only eight years.
	Children get two doses by the age of six.
	The mumps virus causes fever, aches and pains, and puffy cheeks from swollen salivary glands.
	Although most cases resolve, complications do occur in up to 10% of adolescents and adults.
	The authors of today's study suggest clinical trials be done to see if these mumps outbreaks can be prevented by a booster shot at age 18 or during adulthood.
	John, I think the questions I'm asking tonight is if they haven't had a mumps vaccine in decades, do you go get a booster now?
	According to the CDC, not yet.
	They are considering a routine third dose, that booster, based on further studies that haven't been done yet.
	But they are recommending a third dose in people at increased risk because of an outbreak in their area.
	But Jeff, if you're born before 1957, you're in luck because you probably already had the mumps and are protected.
	All right, good to hear, John.
	Any collusion?
	This is a bullcrap story.
	I mean, I was born before 1957.
	I don't worry about it.
	But...
	These vaccines are supposed to mimic as though you had the mumps, like me.
	Like me.
	Yeah, that's what they're supposed to do, right?
	Yeah, and then after you've had the mumps, you don't get it again.
	You're immunized for life.
	Yeah, so what kind of bull crap are they feeding us with these vaccines that are ineffective?
	All I'm hearing is that the vaccine doesn't work yet again.
	Yep.
	Same with the measles.
	That was the promise.
	Wasn't that the promise?
	Yeah, but again, it's just like the Uber.
	The autonomous Uber.
	We're guinea pigs for these people.
	Guinea pigs.
	You need a booster now.
	It's not good enough.
	No.
	Ugh.
	Those crazy anti-vaxxers on no agenda.
	Exactly.
	On that fine high note, it's all yours.
	Yeah, so this weekend is going to be a big gathering in Washington, D.C. It will be the children marching against gun violence, I think, maybe something like that.
	And I'm very upset.
	This is political child abuse, is what I'm calling it.
	You've seen the kids everywhere.
	By the way, this David Hogg, all those kids, the girl with the shaved head, they're being abused by the media and by their guardians or parents.
	I'm going to tell you how this works.
	You get out there enough and you get known enough, the media always boomerangs back at you.
	When you use the media to promote something...
	I guarantee you, I've seen it happen to me all my life, it eventually comes back and you get slapped down by it.
	It's just the yin and yang of promotion and media.
	It's the way it works.
	Hard to explain, but it is the way it works.
	So these children will eventually come under incredible attack.
	Not all of them maybe, but not necessarily immediately, but it will happen.
	And it's going to be tough for them.
	It's very hard.
	It's not fun.
	But this march, which was kind of intended to be, hey, we do something.
	There's no real message.
	There's no ban bump stocks, raise the age limit to 21.
	Okay, fine.
	Hey-ho, NRA, time to go.
	All this stuff.
	But it's being paid for by the Giffords Foundation.
	That's Gabby Giffords, the congresswoman who was shot.
	Planned Parenthood is financing it.
	March On is financing it.
	The National Endowment for the Arts is involved in financing it.
	Move on.
	It's called March On.
	It's the Women's March March On.
	And they're flying the kids in.
	What's Planned Parenthood got to do with this?
	Who cares?
	It's virtue signaling on their part.
	They got money.
	Hey, you know, it's like, we got money.
	And there's a recording was made at a Marriott in Broward County where a teacher is organizing the kids, preparing them for their trip tomorrow.
	And upon listening to this, and it's a couple minutes, and I do expect us to stop from time to time to discuss, and actually the audio is pretty decent for a change, so it shouldn't be too excoriating to listen to.
	But when you hear what this teacher is saying, And remember, she's not the leader of them.
	She's a teacher.
	A teacher in a teaching role is now organizing these children for 100% political means, and they're totally buying into it, and I find this...
	Such an egregious, abusive children that I don't think you can do this in any other show.
	We can play this clip pretty much in its entirety.
	I edited down a lot of stuff.
	And just listen to what is happening to these children.
	Everyone who's going, it would be amazing if you could familiarize yourself with the Giffords organization.
	Giffords has not only arranged an unbelievable itinerary for us, but they've got medical support.
	There's security.
	There's counseling.
	There's media relations.
	Pretty much everything that they could think of, they have arranged for us.
	Okay, so the Giffords organization is organizing everything for them.
	Isn't that nice?
	My tech support extraordinaire has set up a Facebook page and Instagram.
	The username is wearethechange underscore DC, because we are the changes taken.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, so she was printing off the itinerary for the Giffords organization.
	At school, the principal said, well, that seems like that may be personal.
	Oh, okay, I'll do it somewhere else.
	I only got 200 coffees.
	Sure.
	If you had a chance to go over it, you'll see that it is really, really, really...
	Outstanding.
	We're also going to have some things that are not on the agenda that are kind of top secret.
	Top secret.
	Don't leak this out, kids.
	Don't tell anyone what's on our agenda.
	So all the press here, just pretend you're not hearing this.
	But we will be introduced on Capitol Hill by Nancy Pelosi.
	So that's kind of cool.
	Yeah, cool.
	Mitch McConnell is threatening to meet with us, but I'm not sure if he really means that or not.
	So we'll see how that one goes.
	And it's quite, quite possible we're going to have a private meeting with Joe Biden.
	Oh, a meeting with Uncle Joe!
	You see what's happening to these kids?
	Run that guy for president.
	I got to speak to Joe Biden on the phone through Giffords.
	And he's really dedicating his life, I have to tell you guys, to your cause.
	Poster making, we're going to have our own parkland lounge.
	They're calling it for you guys to go and decompress and have press-free zones.
	All media requests, as you guys know, you've been doing great.
	Have to go through Anna Direct, through Gifford.
	The greatest thing that has happened to me throughout this whole process is that I was given a press attache.
	How cool is that?
	How cool is that?
	A press attache.
	What do you need?
	And I said, well, I don't know what I need.
	And they said, would you like a press attaché?
	And I said, I think I would.
	Because I feel like I'm the kind of person that should have a press attaché.
	So now I have one and I go around telling people I have one.
	It's impressive, right?
	Give or give me sending a person with you.
	There's no kids going to press events by themselves.
	And this is really important.
	Okay, so kids may not go to press events by themselves.
	This is really important.
	You can all meet your requests.
	Go to the Gifford organization.
	Kids, you cannot talk to the press yourself.
	You need to have your talking points ready.
	You've got to have your talking points ready.
	Oh, my God.
	Poor kids.
	What kind of kids?
	You've got talking points for children?
	Yes, sir.
	I'm sorry.
	Yes.
	I mean, yes, John.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	You're not in the military.
	I know.
	Yeah, talking points.
	You've got to have your talking points ready, kids.
	That's impressive.
	Giffords will be sending a person with you.
	There's no kids going to press events by themselves.
	And this is really important.
	You need to have your talking points ready.
	We are going to be met at the check-in counter at the Fort Lauderdale airport by a person from Giffords.
	They're going to know you are because you're going to be wearing your cool Giffords shirt.
	Please wear your shirt.
	Please wear your Gifford shirt.
	I mean, this is incredible.
	That is my one big request.
	Now, for plane captains, there's going to be a teacher at one end, and there's going to be a teacher at the other end.
	So you can't get out.
	That's right.
	We got you corralled.
	One teacher is going to make sure at the counter that you're checked off the list, that you get to security, and there'll be another teacher waiting at the other end of security.
	By the way, Southwest has donated all of these seats to us.
	When we get off the plane...
	The Giffords people will be there.
	They will literally usher us off.
	We'll go to baggage.
	The buses that are taking us to D.C. are right there.
	It's not gonna rain on Saturday, so yay.
	Yay!
	Yay!
	I would say something about the politician who said the Jews were in charge of weather, so you're welcome.
	But that's not right.
	The other thing is, and again, this is super off the record.
	So, here's what happened.
	It was supposed to be a march.
	And then, shockingly, they wouldn't give permits for the march.
	So the march became a rally.
	Now, I've heard rumors from kids that since the rally is right on Pennsylvania Avenue and the White House is like a 20-minute walk off the street, that that might happen.
	So it's conceivable that we could leave at the end of the rally and walk to the White House Where we rally some more and hold up our signs and say our peace and create a little hell.
	And then go to the NBA building and have hot chocolate.
	Chocolate!
	So they didn't get a permit, so they changed it from a march to a rally, and they were not allowed to march in front of the White House.
	And so now they're super, super off the record, everybody.
	After our quote-unquote rally, we're going to, might just walk up to the White House, right?
	Potentially putting the kids in harm's way if, you know, without a permit.
	There could be an issue with that.
	They're going to arrest children?
	I hope so.
	Yeah.
	I don't know about you, but I found this entire idea, even, extremely disturbing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, you found it more disturbing than I did.
	I mean, I'm not saying it's good.
	And I think you're right, it is a child abuse, but it's just a typical rally, this typical left wing.
	You've seen these things before.
	But these are the teachers doing this.
	Today's teachers, that's a classic example.
	Is this all they do?
	They don't teach.
	Wow.
	Maybe, I don't know, it just really bothered me.
	I could not believe what I was hearing, that parents are allowing this to happen, if they even know.
	If they don't know.
	Oh, they're going to be gone for a day?
	At least she won't be around the house bugging me.
	All right, just so we don't have a total shitty ending, I have an excerpt about the Peter Schweitzer book.
	This is the guy who wrote Clinton Cash.
	Oh, okay.
	And this is a little more detail about the shenanigans with the Biden and Kerry kids in China.
	Oh, cool.
	Well, it's really interesting, Martha, because there's this critical period from 2013 to 2016 during the Obama administration where the U.S. is engaging with China on the South China Sea, on military challenges, on trade, on intellectual property.
	Joe Biden, in December of 2013, flies over to Beijing in Air Force Two.
	With him on the plane is his son, Hunter Biden.
	Joe Biden gets widely criticized for going soft on Beijing.
	Well...
	Ten days after they return, his son Hunter Biden scores a private equity deal for a billion dollars.
	That's a billion with a B. It's important to note Hunter Biden has no background in private equity.
	He has not done business in China before.
	And he, along with a guy named Devin Archer, who's a close Kerry family aide, start doing these deals in China.
	And there are two other major deals that involve the Kerry and the Biden elements.
	With China, three of them worth billions of dollars.
	And the argument that they are going to try to make is that this had no influence over policy, which to me is just ludicrous.
	Anytime you engage in commercial ventures with somebody, if we're worried about a $10,000 PAC contribution influencing a politician, I think we ought to be very concerned about billion-dollar private equity deals going to the kids of politicians.
	And then there were deals with defense companies in China who were at the same time being accused of stealing technology from us.
	Yeah, that's exactly right.
	I mean, so they get this money from the Chinese, this billion dollars plus, and this is Chinese government money they've done this deal with.
	They take that government money and they invest in other Chinese companies or U.S. companies.
	One of those is a company called CGN, China General Nuclear.
	They're anchor investors.
	So this is Hunter Biden, the son of the vice president, and Devin Archer, a close aide to John Kerry.
	CGN, this company, less than a year after they invest in them, senior executives are arrested for doing what?
	For stealing nuclear secrets in the United States.
	And one of the engineers in that company pleads guilty.
	What they're trying to get access to are these small nuclear reactors that are very similar to those that are on U.S. nuclear submarines.
	So, this is not just about politicians getting quick money.
	This has serious national security implications, and it is the new growth area of corruption.
	The old days of politicians stuffing, you know, $90,000 in their freezer has been replaced by billion-dollar private equity deals for your family members.
	A lot harder to detect and to find.
	And they learn so well from Hillary.
	And at first, I thought...
	How is this clip...
	The uplifting, let's go out of the show is something more uplifting.
	Oh, I didn't say uplifting.
	This is more depressing than the other clip.
	I didn't say uplifting.
	I said better.
	Well, the better is in the payoff.
	Because first I thought, wow, man, this is clearly the getting ready in case Joe wants to run.
	Let's discredit him up front.
	And I'm sure it's true.
	I'm sure it's true.
	But then this gem comes out.
	So what about Mitch McConnell?
	Well, Mitch Mitch McConnell, very similar, China.
	China's basically adopted this posture of saying that they're going to seek out commercial ties with family members.
	Elaine Chao's family is in the shipping business.
	The government of China, the China State Shipbuilding Corporation, has set them up.
	They build their ships.
	They finance the construction of their ships.
	They provide contracts for state-owned enterprises to ship them around.
	And the father, the patriarch of the family, gave a gift to Mitch McConnell of between $5 and $25 million.
	Hello.
	Hey, our government at work.
	We should have ended with the gay money book.
	That would have been better.
	Yeah, maybe.
	Well, at least you get something to think about with these clips.
	I know.
	Five to twenty-five million dollars.
	Nice.
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