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1007: Tactical Frustration

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	You know, she looks like William Shatner.
	Adam Curry, John C. DeVore.
	And Sunday, February 11th, 2018, this is your award-winning Gimbo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 1007.
	This is no agenda.
	Suffering from Olympic fever and broadcasting live from downtown Austin Tejas, capital of the Drone Star State, in the Cludio, in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm here tweeting...
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	Okay, okay, rough opening.
	We'll get there.
	I can't get enough of that gag.
	Of your tweeting?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it was funny the first four or five weeks.
	Yeah, but no one's ever heard that particular gag.
	Okay, no one's ever heard the gag.
	I'm saying I'm tweeting, then I make the tweeting sound.
	But the question is, John, do you have Olympic fever?
	No.
	Now, I would like to see the luge girl.
	The luge girl.
	Yes.
	The luge girl.
	And I didn't get to see...
	Here's what bothers me.
	Hmm?
	Olympic a-holes, they don't let anyone actually cover these games.
	Correct.
	That's right.
	You can't really see anything.
	You have to watch NBC or it's nothing.
	Unless you watch NBC, all you get is just nothing.
	Yeah.
	And so I have yet to see our super good skater fall on his ass, and that's what I've been wanting to see.
	Oh, Chin?
	Chin?
	Yeah.
	It was so sad.
	Was it?
	Yeah.
	I watched on Thursday night after the show.
	I watched...
	It was kind of like a pre...
	It was the team competition, which doesn't really count.
	It does, but it's just for the team.
	Everybody was falling, including our guy, who was...
	Oh, damn it.
	I love seeing that stuff.
	It was the best.
	It was boom, boom.
	It was so dramatic.
	And we have these commentators who are former skaters.
	One is a very little woman, and then there's this super gay guy, both of them Olympics top quality skaters, and that's what you do.
	You move on to that gig.
	But they're wearing like, you know, pink glitter glasses.
	Their microphones are all glammed and glittered up.
	It was a little over the top for me.
	Oh, jeez.
	I mean, you know.
	I feel bad.
	I feel bad I missed that.
	That sounds like the best part of the whole thing.
	It was.
	And I had recorded it.
	So I could, you know, fast forward through all the bull crap and then they go back to the studio and do some, a package of, oh, look at South Korea.
	Okay, great.
	Fast forward.
	By the way, there's another thing.
	Here's what else bothers me besides the fact that nobody gets to cover it.
	Is these human interest stories that drag on.
	Yes.
	And then we have the Ours.
	We have a new team, the Ours.
	Olympic athletes from Russia, because of course Russia can't participate, so they have a little booth and a little dugout and a little section for the oars, the Olympic athletes from Russia.
	And they can't say anything.
	At least they're letting him do stuff.
	It's really quite...
	I find it shameful, really.
	It is shameful.
	I mean, there's enough countries participating who...
	Well, it's about the doping, I understand.
	Punishing.
	You've got to punish them.
	You've got to punish them, yeah.
	You've got to punish them.
	But I was watching the opening ceremony, and you're right, no one else can cover them.
	They take everything off YouTube.
	And I was like, I'll get it off YouTube, and I'll get it Sunday morning, and I'll find it, no problem.
	So, of course, I could only find a clip of this that someone did shooting the TV, which is very annoying from the audio perspective.
	But this is when, you know, after they do the big Illuminati opening, and boy, was it good!
	They had me hypnotized and in trance.
	After the big opening, then the athletes stream in and everyone's, you know, it's the parade.
	And the Dutch came by.
	And, you know, this is one of these things where if you read something in the New York Times that you really know about, you really have understanding of the topic and you see all of the mistakes that the New York Times makes.
	Oh, yeah, this is terrible.
	You just lose faith in anything else the New York Times writes.
	And Katie Couric was brought in, which I feel was a massive slam towards Megan.
	Megan Kelly should have been doing that.
	Well, I guess, yeah.
	Don't you think?
	I mean, she did.
	Well, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	She should have.
	Yeah, I think it was a slam towards Megyn Kelly.
	Oh, it was.
	There's a fight going on.
	I did it.
	I don't want to do that.
	Stop it.
	Don't do that.
	Katie Couric, she's reading the script, and the Dutch come in, and why are the Dutch so good at skating, John?
	Why do they have so many medals?
	Why are the Dutch so good at skating?
	Because the whole country is a frozen lake of ice.
	Next is the Netherlands.
	It's probably not a news flash to tell you the Dutch are really, really good at speed skating.
	All the five of the 110 medals they've won have been on the speed skating oval.
	Now, why are they so good, you may be asking yourselves?
	Because skating is an important mode of transportation in a city like Amsterdam, which sits at sea level.
	As you all know, it has lots of canals that can freeze in the winter, so for as long as those canals have existed, the Dutch have skated on them to get from place to place, to race each other, and also to have fun.
	Okay, so first of all, Amsterdam is below sea level, not at sea level, as you all know, and no, we do not jump on the canals in Amsterdam for transportation in the winter, Katie Couric.
	Can I ask you a question?
	How do you get down there?
	They have ladders.
	There's little ladders and stuff.
	Okay, well that sounds inconvenient.
	But, you know, come on.
	Oh yes, the Dutch for centuries.
	As you know, when the canals freeze in Amsterdam, they strap on their Hans Brinker skates and use it for transportation.
	So you get from here to there?
	Unbelievable.
	Unbelievable.
	Bullshit!
	Well, you know...
	Well, hold on.
	I'm going to mention something.
	There is a...
	In Ottawa City, they do have this huge river, and that does freeze over constantly because it's really cold up there compared to Amsterdam.
	And the Canadians all jump on that thing, and they do often go to work.
	Okay, fine.
	But this is the opening of the Olympics.
	It's stupid.
	But if you're wondering why the Dutch are good at skating, I'll tell you why.
	Of course, there's a skating tradition.
	As long as I can remember, and I think this goes back to the early 50s, maybe even the 40s, they have the 11-city skate competition.
	And that only happens on natural ice, and it only happens when the ice is thick enough.
	All these canals have to be frozen over.
	It's hundreds of kilometers.
	I don't know exactly how long it is.
	And, you know, people...
	They freeze half to death.
	Their fingers get chopped off.
	Sometimes you can't go under the bridge.
	You have to then go on your knees.
	It's called kluna.
	And you have to go on your knees around the bridge and then get back on your skates.
	And the minute it starts to get cold, every young male in the Netherlands starts to practice.
	I'm going to do it this year.
	I'm going to win it.
	I'm going to be in it.
	It's like the New York Boston Marathon.
	Except it doesn't happen.
	So let me see the last time they had one.
	Because they have these committees who go out and measure the ice and everyone's really, oh, is it time?
	Will it happen?
	Is this the year?
	Global warming.
	Exactly.
	I can't remember when the last time is that they did one.
	Hmm.
	I don't know.
	Maybe the troll room might know last time they did it.
	But it's every 10-15 years.
	Well, the point is that they're full of crap.
	Yes, big time full of crap.
	But it doesn't matter.
	I'm a big fan.
	I like that we have now the...
	Where's the bobsled team from this year?
	The joke bobsled team?
	The women?
	Isn't it the females?
	Yes, the women, yes.
	From Nigeria, maybe?
	No, no, it's from Bahamas or...
	Some warm place.
	It's one of those islands in some Caribbean operation.
	I like that.
	Let me see.
	It's the...
	It is Nigerian.
	Jamaican.
	No, the Jamaican bobsled team, they made the movie about it.
	Now it's the Nigerian.
	Now they have the women Jamaican bobsled.
	No, Nigerian, John.
	It's not Jamaican.
	It's Nigerian.
	Well...
	Yeah, there's a difference.
	There's a difference.
	It's interesting you bring that up.
	Last night we went to a thing here in Austin, and we were in the Uber.
	And, you know, I always like to talk to the Uber guy and see where he's from.
	And a lot of the drivers we've had recently are from Nigeria and, what's the other one, Somalia.
	And, you know, so my standard staple is always, oh, how's the Chinese?
	You know, that's when they threw their head whips around.
	They go, what?
	You know about that?
	And this guy was from Kenya.
	But he had a great, you know, cadence and I heard like a little English twang.
	He said, don't tell me, let me guess where you're from.
	So I go through a couple of different, I'm wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
	And then I hit on Kenya and he's like, yeah, that's right.
	And then I said, oh, it's Obama's birthplace.
	I think I should throw this out there.
	He turns at me and says, you know he speaks fluent Swahili, don't you?
	I say, he does?
	Yeah, fluently.
	Fluently.
	But he won't do it in Kenya.
	Because politically he can't do it.
	He says, because then everyone will know the gig is up.
	That's literally what the guy said.
	He says, he's totally from Kenya.
	Wow, I never heard that one.
	And I didn't know he was fluent in Swahili.
	It could all be bullcrap.
	Has he ever talked to Obama himself?
	Okay.
	He's an Uber driver, John.
	Take it at face value, if you don't mind.
	Anyway.
	Okay.
	It's another big show, everybody.
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	Okay.
	I don't know.
	It broke.
	Yeah.
	Are you still there?
	I'm sorry.
	I was going through the notes.
	That was odd.
	Why?
	It turned off.
	It rebooted.
	What rebooted?
	The Echo, the Alexa device.
	It rebooted when I did that.
	Yeah, it's dinging away now.
	It's doing all kinds of stuff.
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	Ding, ding, ding!
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	All right, where do we start, John?
	There's a lot of, I think, interesting things happening.
	Some stuff that is not necessarily at the front of the news.
	Well, I have the front of the news stuff.
	Okay, front of the news.
	Mainly the scandal, the so-called scandal, because of this guy who punched out his wife.
	There's two things that went on.
	One, this guy punched out his wife, supposedly, but we don't know that.
	And then the other one, he apparently verbally abused.
	Oh, you mean Porter.
	You're talking about Porter.
	Yeah, I got a bunch of stuff because I have the ABC report, which is, the report itself is scandalous because it has got whipsaws and false accusations.
	And the funny thing is, On Saturday, another guy resigned, which I think, Dan, this guy does sound like a wife beater.
	Play the Sorensen resigns clip so we catch up.
	White House speechwriter David Sorensen stepped down yesterday after his ex-wife alleged that he was violent and emotionally abusive during their marriage.
	He is the second White House official this week to resign following allegations of domestic abuse.
	In an interview with The Washington Post, Sorensen's ex-wife Jessica Corbett detailed the allegations, including that he ran a car over her foot and put a cigarette out on her hand.
	Damn!
	Now, that sounds like some guy, there are guys like that.
	Really?
	I don't know any of them, but okay.
	I don't personally know them, but I know of them, and they're out there.
	And they're just creeps.
	I think that's the real...
	He didn't even bother for anything to get any further than that, and he just quit.
	As opposed to the other guy who hung on since apparently January or February, whenever they really first found out about it.
	And I'm dubious about the first guy.
	But let's play...
	The scandal so we can take a look at the whole story overall with the little bitty whips.
	Some of them are minor.
	Some of them are outrageous.
	This is the Rob Porter scandal?
	Yeah.
	Should we just set this up a little bit or is that in the intro?
	It's in the intro.
	Tonight, President Trump speaking publicly for the first time about the domestic abuse scandal involving his former close aide, Rob Porter, and allegations now made by Porter's two ex-wives.
	The president today praising Porter's work, wishing him well, telling reporters, quote, he says he's innocent and I think you have to remember that.
	The president adding, it's been a tough time for Porter.
	White House Communications Director Hope Hicks, who has been romantically linked to Porter, was right there in the Oval Office as the president weighed in today.
	And late today, sources telling ABC News that Chief of Staff John Kelly has now expressed to President Trump his willingness to resign over his handling of the scandal.
	ABC senior White House correspondent, Cecilia Vega, leading us off.
	Okay.
	Now, we go into it, and Cecilia is a Trump hater.
	And the way she presents the story, I think, sounds objective, but then you'll hear these little whipsaws that are pretty...
	Pretty obvious when you go through it.
	Now this guy, you have to assume a couple of things.
	Trump never met the women, so he never says much about the ex-wives.
	And I have to assume, you don't have to assume anything, but I have to assume that the way I'm looking at this thing is that he talked to Hope Hicks about the guy.
	Yep.
	I have some thoughts about that, but I'll wait for you.
	Yeah, you can do your thoughts.
	I'm sure your thoughts will be more interesting than mine at the end of this because my concentration is really on the poor job that they – or not the poor job.
	It's a really good job if you're going to produce a hit piece against Trump and hide it.
	As though it's about something else, but that's what it's about.
	Well, for sure, this entire scandal is not about the scandal.
	It's about Trump, and he has shitty people, and he's hired shitty people, and John Kelly is shitty, and everyone's shit.
	It's not even about the actual abuse.
	That went away very quickly.
	I will say, in no small part, thanks to...
	Now, Trump may be weird.
	But his statement, and I didn't, I thought, actually I thought you might have it, but his statement...
	I do have it.
	It's in here.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, we just started.
	That was just the intro into the piece.
	Well, I'll just say his statement, and we'll hear it in whatever piece.
	He doesn't say stuff like that, or let's put it this way.
	He has the uncanny knack to say something outrageous like, Obama, wiretap me.
	And then much later, it turns out that he wasn't far off the mark.
	But the way he presented this was completely colorblind and tone deaf.
	I mean, what did he expect?
	I understand he really believes the guy is innocent.
	I can tell.
	That's his words just saying the guy is innocent.
	He might as well say this girl is full of crap.
	That's problematic in PR world.
	Well, it's problematic with Trump in particular.
	Yes.
	So let's go on with the first subtle whipsaw.
	With his White House under fire today, President Trump breaking his silence, praising his former staff secretary, Rob Porter, who resigned amid allegations he abused both of his former wives.
	But we certainly wish him well.
	It's a obviously tough time for him.
	He did a very good job when he was in the White House.
	And we hope he has a wonderful career, and hopefully he will have a great career ahead of him.
	But it was very sad when we heard about it, and certainly he's also very sad.
	As you probably know, he says he's innocent.
	And I think you have to remember that.
	He said very strongly yesterday that he's innocent.
	While the president talked about the tough time for Porter, no mention of the women.
	Porter's two ex-wives who went public with their accusations of verbal and physical abuse.
	One releasing this photo of a black and blue eye, she says from Porter's Punch.
	As President Trump spoke right there in that room, Communications Director Hope Hicks Who is romantically linked to Porter.
	And Chief of Staff John Kelly, who was brought in to restore order in the West Wing.
	But Kelly reportedly knew about the abuse allegations against Porter for months.
	And sources telling ABC News the President is furious with how both aides handled the West Wing crisis.
	Hicks, those sources say, helped write the administration's initial public statements defending Porter.
	The President and Chief of Staff have had full confidence and trust in his abilities and his performance.
	Defending is not the same as saying we liked his performance.
	Oh, well, but it's the same as defending KKK and white nationalists in Charlottesville, which he also didn't explicitly do.
	No, he didn't.
	He didn't even come close to explicitly doing that.
	But that doesn't matter.
	That is now in the lexicon.
	It's done by innuendo.
	And they're really good at it.
	This is not the best example, but this whole thing where first they praised him, he's really talking about something else.
	They use these clips very carefully to mislead you.
	Let's go to three.
	When the story first broke, Kelly called Porter a man of true integrity and honor.
	But tonight, sources tell ABC News that within the past 24 hours, Kelly told the president he would be willing to resign.
	They say the president has spoken to confidants about possibly replacing Kelly, including gauging businessman and longtime friend Tom Barrick's interest in the job.
	Barrick said he's not interested.
	Okay, now this is an example of...
	We don't know anything about barracks.
	I never even heard his name.
	I never heard his name either.
	But they bring him in so they can...
	I mean, it's almost as though they said, who can we call?
	Hey, Adam, did you get a call for...
	Are you interested in taking Trump's job?
	He said, I never...
	I haven't been offered the job.
	No, I'm not interested in the least.
	So then they report that even Adam Curry wouldn't take the job.
	That would be a good report, by the way.
	That would be kind of cool.
	He's not taking the job, and then they have a clip of you saying, I'm not interested in the job.
	They don't have a clip of anything else.
	I mean, this is like...
	This is ABC at its best, so let's go on to the next one.
	This is Kelly does some damage control of his own, sending this letter to staffers, saying the White House takes matters of domestic violence very seriously.
	And in a meeting first thing this morning, the Washington Post says Kelly told staffers to say he took action to remove Porter within 40 minutes of learning the ex-wives' allegations were credible.
	Reporter's ex-wives tell ABC News they told the FBI about his alleged abuse last January when they were interviewed as part of his White House security clearance.
	His second wife, Jenny Willoughby, says she told them everything.
	I told them all of the details of my marriage, including verbal and emotional abuse.
	Okay, verbal and emotional, but yeah, all right.
	Verbal and emotional abuse, which means you're yelling at your wife.
	Verbal and emotional abuse is very real.
	It's very real, but generally speaking, I'm not talking to a divorcee who's been wronged by the guy, and the first woman in particular, by the second woman.
	This guy jumps from woman to woman.
	He's not going to get good reviews.
	His Yelp star is not rising.
	And verbal abuse isn't the same as punching somebody.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	They don't have a clip of the other ex-wife, I presume.
	No.
	Right.
	Here's the thing that is confusing me.
	Well, first of all, this is a moment where...
	So here we have this Rob guy, Rob Porter...
	He is saying, this didn't happen, it's not true, and I gave that picture to authorities a long time ago, but I can't find anything, and no one seems to, I mean, I'm interested in what happened, because moving forward, when you have an accusation, you have to take it extremely seriously, and it needs to be looked into, not like this.
	This is not the way to do it as far as I'm concerned.
	Just say, Trump's an asshole.
	Nobody wants a job.
	This guy's a douchebag.
	He sure looks like a douchebag.
	Yeah, he does.
	Everything I read about it is douchebag.
	But everybody deserves to have his, quote, day in court.
	And if he explicitly says, I'm not guilty, I'm interested in how he wants to prove that.
	But no one's reporting on that.
	I can't find it.
	Well, he's already gone.
	He's going to have to do this on his own time.
	And, I mean, the problem I always have is I'm always reminded of the Duke lacrosse team that was falsely accused of rape and pretty much run out of town, the whole team, unfairly because the whole thing was trumped up.
	Or the rapist fraternity that was written up in Rolling Stone, which turned out to be a woman creating a story that some gullible reporter bit on and wrote it up.
	And they had the whole magazine had to apologize to the frat.
	I think it was Cornell.
	I can't remember the school.
	And just to stop you.
	So this does happen.
	I can see eyes roll.
	But I believe that everyone in the M5M media is too pussy to say what we're saying.
	It's like, okay, all the circumstantial evidence, more than circumstantial actually, says this guy abused his ex-wives.
	But he's saying he's innocent, so now I'd like to know.
	Okay, let's find out.
	He also made some commentary about that picture.
	Yeah, he gave it to the authorities years ago, but I don't understand.
	What did he give?
	Why?
	And there's a backstory behind the picture, he says.
	Right, but I can't find it.
	But what is the backstory?
	Why doesn't somebody ask him?
	I can't find it.
	I found nothing.
	Because it's not out there.
	Now, the thing that bothered me the most is this Sorensen character, who does sound...
	I mean, he's got the earmarks of one of these characters that is...
	I mean, it's just disgusting.
	This guy just seems like an a-hole.
	Right.
	Well, surprise, surprise, they're everywhere.
	Especially at that level.
	You get up into the CEO levels of most companies, you're going to run into stuff like that.
	That's where you see the a-holes, yep.
	So I think we're going to, which one did you just play?
	Was that the Whopper?
	No, this is the last one is the Whopper.
	Okay.
	The Washington Post reporting White House counsel Don McGahn first learned of the abuse allegations around the time of the president's inauguration.
	Porter denies abusing his ex-wives, saying these outrageous allegations are simply false.
	I took the photos, and the reality behind them is nowhere close to what is being described.
	Well, we wish him well.
	This is not the first time the president has come to the defense of a man accused of violence against women.
	He endorsed Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore in the face of multiple sexual misconduct accusations.
	Let's bring that back.
	All right, this is the worst of the group.
	This is just a lie.
	This is not the first time the president has come to the defense of someone who committed violence against Against the women.
	And then cites Roy Moore.
	There was no violence accusations there, were there?
	There was zero violence accusations.
	It was mostly pedophilic kind of accusations, if anything.
	Yeah, underage.
	Underage.
	Underage dating.
	So she just lied and then backed it up by using the Roy Moore example.
	I found this to be...
	And this was at the end of the report, the part you'd remember.
	I found it to be just borderline disgusting on the part of ABC to report like that.
	I don't want to hear it again.
	I mean, it's not bad enough that they're piling on, which is okay.
	They can do whatever they want.
	But to do it with lies and exemplify it with something that's gotten – which actually is impugning Roy Moore even more than already, which I found to be very abhorrent.
	It just made me sick.
	I do have an addendum clip, which is just kind of a little casual thing that – And Cecilia, the other major issue is still out there.
	We know that Rob Porter was working with a temporary security clearance because of those accusations against him.
	And more than a year into this administration now, he's not the only one in the West Wing who still had not been granted full security clearance.
	Yeah, David, and the White House is refusing to provide a specific number on how many people are still using this temporary pass.
	But our sources say that Jared Kushner, the president's own son-in-law, is among them.
	Okay, so our sources.
	The White House did not give any names out of anybody in this situation.
	But they had to impugn Jared Kushner.
	Jared Kushner is one of the major targets right now, and I say that because I got into an IM phone texting debate with my two Liberal friends.
	What application were you actually using?
	Was it text?
	Was it AOL Instant Messenger?
	Was it WhatsApp?
	What were you using?
	Phone text.
	Phone text, okay.
	Um...
	And Kushner is obviously the target because they were just going on and on about how any of this could happen and how Trump could be president.
	It's just horrible that he even says anything positive about this guy who punched his wife and just completely off the rails.
	And Kushner's going down.
	Kushner and Don Jr.
	is what I'm told.
	Those two, they're the targets and they're going to arrest the two of them.
	And the two of them are going to flip on Trump.
	They're going to flip, both of them.
	No.
	Because they're weenies.
	I don't think that's how.
	I see something else.
	I'm just giving you the perspective of these.
	You guys have zero credibility.
	I know.
	It's still interesting.
	I know they're plugged into Dimension B and whatever they're saying is a reflection of it.
	So I'm thinking that's interesting that people are thinking that way.
	Well, I'm thinking we have a black widow in the White House.
	And she's dangerous.
	And she's working for Ivanka.
	And that's Hope Hicks.
	Any man Hope Hicks touches gets fired.
	You know, she had a relationship with Corey Lewandowski.
	Gone.
	She had a relationship with Rob Porter.
	Gone.
	And she's very good friends with Ivanka.
	She comes from the Ivanka camp, from Ivanka's company.
	I will say that Ivanka and the Daily Mail, where this story broke about Rob Porter, they have a very close relationship.
	She does a lot with the Daily Mail, certainly PR-wise.
	This is where this broke.
	Again, it's lackluster reporting.
	If the guy says he didn't do it, I'd like to know about it.
	Just go look at Hope Hicks' picture.
	Yeah, I know what she looks like.
	Yeah, but you want to see when she's next to...
	She's a woman who touches men all the time when she's talking to them.
	And I have picture after picture of her touching Reince Priebus.
	Gone.
	Rudy Giuliani.
	Actually kissing Rudy Giuliani.
	Embrace.
	Kiss of death.
	Gone.
	Corey Lewandowski, as I said.
	Gary Cohn would be next.
	She's just rubbing up against Gary Cohn in pictures.
	Ah, and John Kelly, too.
	You know, she takes a picture, she'll put her flat palm on a man's chest.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I know what that is, yeah.
	In fact, what's-her-name does that to Kellyanne Conway.
	And you know who else does it?
	Hillary.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	With Harvey.
	And Harvey Weinstein, she's putting her two flat palms against his chest and transferring some death energy and off he goes.
	Now using your interpretation, that takes on a whole new meaning.
	Yes.
	I'm telling you that Hope Hicks is on a mission.
	I don't know if it's for herself.
	I don't know if it's for Ivanka.
	But I think she is the black widow in the White House.
	And people should stay away from her.
	It'd be for the reptilians, though, the greys.
	You don't know.
	Okay, well, I'm just throwing it out there as an observation.
	And, you know, if you want to protect the cush, anyone who's getting in the way will get Bitten by the Black Widow.
	Well, that takes a...
	I am now reconsidering the photos that I see.
	And Hillary, for that matter.
	I have a great Hillary clip.
	As a fun little entremant.
	She was at the Makers Conference, which I thought was cool until I found out it wasn't about Makerspace.
	It was about Time's Up.
	I'm not sure exactly what this Makers Conference was about.
	And here we go.
	Grave enough to question and examine our own beliefs.
	Brave enough to acknowledge that even those of us who have spent much of our life thinking about and fighting about gender issues, who even have first-hand experiences of navigating male-dominated industries, may not always get it right.
	I pledge to continue to speak out.
	I pledge to never give up.
	I will do everything I can.
	Here we go.
	To keep my voice, number one.
	To advance the rights and opportunities of women.
	In the midst of this snowstorm, stay on the front lines of democracy.
	There you go.
	She's deathly ill again.
	She's trying to cough up a baby.
	Small lizard.
	I'm giving you Clip of the Day because I knew that clip existed, but I couldn't find it.
	Clip of the Day.
	I couldn't help making a loop out of it because it's so rhythmic.
	You just want the guys to go...
	There you go.
	On the fly, everybody.
	Jam session.
	I was thinking about the Hope.
	Now the Hope Hicks thing, you got me bugged with this one.
	I knew I would get you without.
	Look at the pictures.
	I've got to say one thing about the palm on the chest.
	I've talked with the keeper about this.
	He said, if there was a picture that showed up with you and a woman had her hand on your chest like that, she'd be upset.
	And I said, yeah, I understand.
	I think I would say, excuse me, could you just not do that?
	I find it very forward.
	I don't put my hand on women's chest.
	You'd like to.
	Not without an invitation.
	I wouldn't say stop doing that.
	I'd bite them.
	I'd bite them.
	Okay, fine.
	But you understand what I'm saying.
	It's a very aggressive move.
	Yes, it's very aggressive.
	But anyway, I was thinking about this in the background of Hillary's...
	death coughing up a lizard yeah and it's possible that it's just the opposite of what you think Okay, I'm all ears.
	She's the white widow.
	She is getting rid of the evil around Trump.
	Very possible.
	Because everybody you'd mentioned, Rance Priebus, the leaker, Lewandowski, a weirdo.
	But she's friends with Ivanka, and she would have to then get rid of Jared, which would be...
	Which is what is going on, if you listen to that report that I just played.
	All right, so, prediction?
	She falls on her sword, has an affair with Jared, everything blows up.
	That would do it.
	It's going to do it better than what these Democrats think is going to happen.
	But, that would do it.
	And if she's that good, you know, of a seductress...
	But, I mean, in a short amount of time, and, look, it's a workplace, I understand, but she did have a relationship with Corey Lewandowski.
	He did get fired.
	She had a relationship with Rob Border.
	He got fired.
	You know, she's been cuddling up to, literally, just look at the pictures.
	You can't see it any other way than cuddling up, and the guys in the pictures that she cuddles up to get fired.
	Well, maybe she's cleaning house.
	It feels like it.
	Well, I would make the assumption that it's for the good.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	I'm just going to do that because it could be.
	Well, she's a spider.
	We just don't know if she's black or white yet.
	Spider.
	Spider.
	She's the spider lady.
	I'm telling you.
	Okay, well I think nobody's covered this subject as well as we just did.
	Well, there's certainly a lot more to the story.
	I think that's so evident.
	Yeah, nobody cares about that.
	There's a story about Trump.
	It's not about this guy Porter.
	But they don't even care about the women.
	Trump said nothing about the women.
	Yeah, well you're not reporting on it either.
	Yeah, what's he supposed to say?
	By the way, I find it admirable that Trump would stand by his guy.
	And I'm telling you, he's a goofball, but he doesn't do that unless he really thinks there was some railroading going on.
	Well, I'm sure he does think that, but to be one of these, member when, or member, I said member.
	Hey, member!
	Remember when it was Breitbart that took a speech from that woman, the black woman that was in the Department of Agriculture or something, and he took a speech, we covered it thoroughly, and clipped it in such a way that she sounded like she was just being a racist at some meeting?
	And Obama fired her immediately!
	I'm trying to think.
	I don't really remember that.
	No, I don't remember that.
	Remember her name?
	And then it turned out that people found the whole speech and the whole thing was out of completely, ridiculously out of context.
	Breitbart had done, it was a setup.
	I think it was before Breitbart himself was still, I think it was still alive.
	And everybody had the, oh my god, we fired her unfairly and it was a big...
	Was that Michelle Fields?
	No.
	No, that's...
	Who was that?
	She makes cookies, I think, when you tell me.
	I can't remember.
	I can't remember either, but you do remember the incident.
	Vaguely.
	And that's not what I want to see from a president.
	No.
	Panicking, you know?
	Somebody made an accusation, get him out of here!
	Right.
	So I didn't think it was a big deal that Trump took his time about getting the guy fired or having him resign, personally, because it wasn't an issue of national security, it was his personal life.
	Shirley Sherrod?
	Sherrod?
	Yeah, Sherrod.
	It may have been something like that, yeah.
	Do you have a little clip?
	Well, I'm trying to find the spelling.
	See if I can find it.
	What would you have titled the clip?
	Do you know?
	Bright by me.
	I tried that.
	I tried that.
	Sherrod.
	I don't know.
	Firing.
	Firing.
	I probably title this something incredibly stupid.
	Yeah, it's alright.
	We don't have it.
	Okay.
	But the point is, is that I... As a leader, I mean, there is due process and all these elements that are being ignored, just panicking because somebody made an accusation.
	In fact, they got a message from a friend of mine who said his friend working at some bank in New York had just got fired from an anonymous accusation from some woman saying he abused her or something.
	Really?
	He never found out anything about it and got fired.
	Your friend?
	Termination.
	What?
	A friend of yours.
	No, the friend of mine didn't get fired.
	His pal got fired.
	And he was bitching about it.
	Right.
	Well, that's what we men now have to do secretly.
	We can bitch about it, but we can only bitch to each other and not in public.
	This is a fact.
	We can't.
	You and I can bitch in public.
	Because we don't have bosses.
	Yeah, we don't.
	But there's a lot of aggravation that comes with just talking about stuff.
	I do have a few other updates in this genre, if we say this would be hashtag MeToo.
	In fact, maybe we should do this.
	And now it's time for your sexual harassment update.
	That's right!
	Sexual harassment update.
	We have a change in the law.
	For Congress, for the congressmen in particular, I guess.
	It is the Congressional Sexual Harassment and Discrimination Addendum Act, I think, or something like that.
	Jackie Speier has headed this.
	Jackie Speier has been a major voice for Change on the Hill during the Me Too movement.
	And her announcement today essentially will allow for this bill, this bipartisan legislation, to go up for a vote.
	It could come any time this week.
	And what this bill would do is amend the Congressional Accountability Act to require that members of Congress who settle sexual harassment claims must pay the settlements themselves no longer with taxpayers.
	And in addition to that, it will allow the accusers to file complaints without having to sign a non-disclosure agreement, something we've heard so much about in the last few months.
	These NDAs that keep people from being able to talk about what they alleged happened to them.
	Now there's a lot of support for this bill.
	A lot of people who say that this is a much needed change, but there are a fair amount of criticisms as well.
	Some people say that it does not go nearly far enough, and in fact that it limits the ability for victims to file a lawsuit Outside of this process on Capitol Hill, it would also require claims to be made under oath, which some say can be pretty problematic because a lot of these allegations don't come with real evidence.
	It's often a he-said-she-said situation.
	Now, all of that said, I'm told that it is expected to pass with unanimous, if not near-unanimous support when it does go up for a vote in the House in the next few days.
	And it did pass.
	So, it's not law yet, but it passed that hurdle.
	And it should be very interesting to see what happens now.
	Yeah, well that was proposed sometime, but we actually talked about this actually a couple months ago.
	Yes, we did.
	Well, here it is.
	I thought it was, I didn't think it was unreasonable, because apparently these guys were paying off huge settlements with taxpayer money.
	Yeah, but get a black widow in there.
	Oh, well, it's great.
	Because then there will have to be hearings under oath.
	It's going to jam C-SPAN. Everyone will be only talking about that.
	It's kind of entertaining.
	Not really.
	The New York Times published a list of the 68 firings and resignations.
	Actually, it's after Weinstein, colon, 68 men accused of sexual misconduct and their fall from power.
	Do they have all of them actually in there?
	There's a lot.
	There's a lot who we haven't discussed and didn't know about.
	So, would you like to go down the list briefly?
	I would love to go down the list briefly.
	So, we have Daniel Sverdling.
	He's an investigative reporter at NPR. Do you want his accusations?
	No, just read the names and if they're interesting, we'll ask for the accusations that we can plow through it.
	Vincent Cicerincioni, Hollywood manager.
	John Copley, stage director at the Met.
	Wayne Pachell, chief executive of the Humane Society.
	That's pretty cool.
	That is funny.
	That's ironic.
	Accused of sexual harassment of three women, including forced kissing, which is very egregious.
	Well, you know what bothers me?
	Well, forced kissing is just...
	Yeah, it's egregious.
	It's horrible.
	But what bothers me is what happened to...
	Is John Lasseter on the list?
	Well, let me go down the list.
	No, he's not.
	Okay.
	Well, he should be on the list.
	Well, I'm just...
	The list is incomplete.
	That's all I wanted to find out.
	But John Lasseter was rousted from Pixar for unwelcome hugging.
	He might be on the list.
	I thought it was alphabetical.
	It's not.
	It's chronological.
	Okay, go.
	Then we have Steve Wynn.
	Barry Lubin.
	Do you know who Barry Lubin is?
	I don't know who Barry Lubin is.
	Barry Lubin is Grandma the Clown for the Big Apple Circus.
	Can you imagine being sexually harassed by a clown?
	Well, I think most women feel that way about most men.
	Gordon Edelstein, Artistic Director of the Long Wharf Theater.
	Patrick Meehan.
	Omid Malik, which caught me for a second because I thought it was Om Malik.
	But he's Omid Malik, apparently a different guy.
	Managing Director of Bank of America.
	James Rosen, Fox correspondent.
	Mike Germano, Chief Digital Officer at Vice.
	Don Hazen, journalist and executive director of Alternet.
	Marcello Gomez, ballet dancer at the American Ballet Theater.
	Charles Dutoit, conductor and artistic director of the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra.
	Man, those orchestra guys, they get around, don't they?
	It's a boring job.
	The classical arts.
	Morgan Spurlock, documentarian.
	They probably do classical harassment.
	Yeah.
	Force kissing.
	It's classical.
	Donovan McNabb, former NFL player, radio host, ESPN. Eric Davis, also former NFL player and radio host on ESPN. Mario Batali, chef, restaurant owner, co-host of The Chew, one of your favorite shows.
	Well, he's actually a very famous chef.
	Mm-hmm.
	And owns a number of starred restaurants, Bobo being his hot spot in New York City.
	And he always seemed like kind of a creepy guy, but he's a chef.
	I mean, some of them are kind of, you know, the chefs, we have a lot of chefs listening to the show.
	And they know these guys.
	It's a little community of people, and they know there's a lot of creeps in there.
	There's creeps everywhere.
	Ryan Lizza, writer for The New Yorker and political analyst for CNN. Alex Kaczynski, federal judge appeals court.
	Trent Franks, representative for Arizona.
	Lauren Stein, editor of the Paris Review.
	Matt DeBene, California State Assemblyman.
	Peter Martins, leader of New York City Ballet.
	Again, the classical, the classical arts.
	There's a problem in the classical arts.
	Here, Israel Horowitz, playwright, founding artistic director of the Gloucester Stage Theater.
	We have Shervin Pishabar.
	He's from Sherpa Capital.
	Justin Huff, a Broadway casting director.
	Gee, how could you expect that from a casting director?
	Garrison Keller.
	Keller?
	Keller?
	That's the...
	Isn't that the NPR guy?
	Oh, there's a Keeler.
	Keeler.
	Yeah, the NPR guy.
	Matt Lauer.
	Johnny...
	A little home on the prairie.
	Luzini.
	Chef and judge on the Great American Baking Show.
	Charlie Rose, John Conyers Jr., the Michigan representative, Russell Simmons, Al Franken, David Sweeney.
	Russell Simmons?
	Yes, sir.
	Oh, yeah.
	He's admitted to it.
	I'm not an officer.
	Actually, I'm sorry.
	He has nodded.
	I vehemently deny all these allegations.
	What were the allegations?
	Sexual assault of two women and rape of three others.
	He's gay.
	Russell Simmons?
	Oh, Russell Simmons.
	I was thinking of Richard Simmons.
	Okay.
	Oh, Russell Simmons, I think, I've always thought he was gay.
	Those accusations kind of surprised me.
	David Sweeney, Chief News Editor at NPR. Stephen, or Stephan, Bittel, Florida Democratic Party Chairman.
	Wes Goodman, Ohio State Representative.
	Mark Schwan, Director and Producer of One Tree Hill and the Royals.
	Eddie Berganza, Editor at DC Comics.
	Andrew Kreisberg, Executive Producer of Arrow, Supergirl, and The Flash.
	Tony Cornish, Representative from Minnesota.
	What?
	Who was that?
	The Supergirl guy?
	Andrew Kreisberg.
	Huh.
	Executive producer of Arrow, Supergirl, and The Flash.
	What did he do?
	Accusation, sexual harassment of more than a dozen people.
	Fired by Warner Brothers TV Group.
	Response, I have made comments on women's appearances and clothes in my capacity as an executive producer, but they were not sexualized.
	Sounds a lot like us.
	Yeah, sounds like when we do our executive bit.
	Yep.
	So this is common.
	I don't know why, you know, what's going on.
	Well, he got fired.
	We're going to get fired by our imaginary bosses if we keep this bit up.
	Louis C.K., Dan Shun, Minnesota State Senator, Benjamin Ginocchio, Executive Director at the Armory Show Art Fair, Ed Westwick, Actor, David Gilliard, Co-Chief Executive of Primary Wave Entertainment Agency, Danny Masterson, Co-Chief Executive of Primary Wave Entertainment Agency, Danny Masterson, Actor, Andy Dick, Actor.
	Andy Dick, geez.
	Yes, he's groped me.
	Andy Dick gropes everybody.
	He's probably proud of being on the list.
	Michael Oreskes?
	Oh, I didn't know.
	Head of news at NPR and former New York Times editor.
	The NPR news department is doing well.
	Yes, getting his numbers up.
	Yeah, amongst other things.
	Hamilton Fish.
	Whoa!
	Whoa!
	President and publisher of The New Republic.
	Kevin Spacey.
	Kurt Webster, a publicist for the music business.
	Raul Boccanegra, California State Assemblyman.
	Mark Halperin, we know him from NBC News.
	Rick Najera, director of CBS's Diversity Showcase.
	Hmm.
	That's a good one.
	And more irony.
	Yeah, sexual harassment including inappropriate comments to performers.
	He resigned.
	And his response was...
	You suck!
	Could be anything.
	Knight Landesman, publisher of the Art Forum.
	The classics, man.
	It's really the classics.
	Where's the opportunity to do the harassment?
	That's what I like to know.
	Hey, baby, let me see your art.
	Sexual harassment of at least nine women, including groping.
	He resigned.
	And his response, I fully recognize I have tested certain boundaries which I am working hard to correct.
	Steve Jervitson?
	That's the VC guy.
	Who?
	Jervitson.
	Steve Jervitson?
	Steve Jervitson?
	Yeah.
	Co-founder of Venture Capital Firm, board member Tespa Space X. I actually know him.
	Leon Wiesen.
	What did Jurvetson do?
	Sexual misconduct is all it says.
	He resigned from the firm, taking leave of absence from all boards he's on, and his response was, let me be perfectly clear, no such allegations are true.
	Nice performance.
	Why did he quit everything?
	Right.
	Leon, because, well...
	You know, corporate life can't have this.
	They don't want to risk a boycott or anything.
	Yeah, I guess you're right.
	Just the implication is enough.
	Leon Wieseltier, editor at The New Republic.
	Terry Richardson, fashion photographer.
	John Besch, chief executive of the Besch Restaurant Group.
	Another one of these restaurant guys.
	Lockard Steele, Editorial Director of Vox Media.
	Robert Scoble, Tech Blogger, Co-Founder of the Transformation Group.
	Cliff Height, Senator from Ohio.
	Chris Savino, Creator and Showrunner of the Loud House.
	Roy Price, Head of Amazon Studios.
	Andy Signore, Senior Vice President of Content for Defy Media.
	And then we have Harvey Weinstein.
	And then there's, Jesus, 28 Suspensions and Otherfall.
	It's a very long...
	Even Ben Farine.
	Where's Bill O'Reilly?
	Yeah, not on there.
	Ben Vereen?
	I didn't know Ben Vereen was on the list.
	Ben Vereen?
	Yeah.
	What about Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly?
	I mean, this is the New York Times.
	How do they overlook these guys?
	Not on the list.
	That's interesting.
	Hmm.
	Not on the list.
	There's a point to this list.
	There's some politics about this because they left those guys off.
	I think people want free tickets to all the classical shows, probably.
	Outing all those guys.
	They're not getting any.
	They're not getting any tickets, so let's go.
	Then we have a very interesting revelation.
	And by the way, the hugger over here wasn't listed either, Lassiter.
	Well, the one that should be on the list is California Assemblywoman Christina Garcia.
	Assemblywoman Garcia, the Democrat from Bell Gardens, she is accused of inappropriately touching a staffer from another office at a legislative softball game back in 2014.
	The staffer, who now has his own communications firm, told the publication Politico that he was in the dugout after the game and that when the Assemblywoman came in, he says she appeared drunk and touched him inappropriately.
	He said he decided to come forward now because he was troubled by seeing her role in the Me Too movement.
	Garcia, Bell Gardens Democrat, as we said, has been a strong voice in that Me Too movement and was profiled in Time Magazine's recent Person of the Year edition.
	That's pretty egregious.
	I would say, for one thing, if you're some guy and some drunk woman comes up and grabs your balls or something...
	Buttocks.
	Buttocks.
	Or buttocks.
	You shove her away or say, keep doing it.
	I mean, you wouldn't...
	Go run into the media.
	No, only in political cases do you run to the media.
	But because he saw her as some holier-than-thou type with the Me Too movement, he decided to come out.
	It can happen to anybody.
	Hold on, I got a second clip here.
	Assemblywoman Garcia issued this statement regarding the allegations.
	She says she will fully participate in any investigation into her conduct.
	She did confirm that she was present at that softball game back in 2014, but she says she does not recall any inappropriate behavior.
	She was plastered.
	Of course she doesn't recall it.
	Last night we went to...
	Flower Child?
	Are you familiar with this chain of eateries?
	I've never heard of it.
	It's actually, I think it's a golden formula.
	They have, you know, kind of like quinoa bowls and stuff and kale, which I won't eat.
	But they have, you know, wraps with avocado and other things and, you know, deconstructed burrito bowls.
	And they have no service, which is great.
	You know, you walk up, you order, you get a number, and then they bring it to your table.
	Sounds like a Mexican taqueria any place.
	Except with a douchey attitude, basically.
	Okay, sounds right.
	And so I walk in and the guy goes, oh my god, for a second when you put your glasses on, I thought you were my favorite psychologist.
	I'm like, who says I'm not?
	But who is your favorite psychologist?
	The guy says, Jordan Peterson.
	Now do you see a resemblance?
	None?
	He said, well, you're tall and you're dashing and you've got the grayish hair.
	Did you have a scarf?
	No, I didn't.
	You threw it back?
	But I do have an interesting clip from Mr.
	Peterson.
	Uh, who was in an interview with Vice, I think.
	Yeah, he's the hot topic right now.
	Oh, he's a very hot topic.
	And he does a little bit like you do.
	You know, so you'll ask, I can ask you a question, you'll give me an asshole answer.
	You know what I'm talking about.
	You'll hear it.
	I've never done that.
	Is there sexual harassment in the workplace?
	Yes.
	Should it stop?
	That'd be good.
	Will it?
	Well, not at the moment it won't because we don't know what the rules are.
	Do you think men and women can work in the workplace together?
	I don't know.
	Without sexual harassment?
	We'll see.
	That's a Dvorak answer.
	How is that an asshole answer?
	It's just an answer.
	At the moment it won't because we don't know what the rules are.
	Do you think men and women can work in the workplace together?
	I don't know.
	Without sexual harassment?
	We'll see.
	How many years will it take for men and women working in the workplace together?
	More than 40.
	More than 40.
	We don't know what the rules are.
	Here's a rule.
	How about no makeup in the workplace?
	Oh!
	Why would that be a rule?
	Why should you wear makeup in the workplace?
	Isn't that sexually provocative?
	No.
	It's not?
	No.
	What is it then?
	What's the purpose of makeup?
	Some people would like to just put on makeup.
	Why?
	I don't know why.
	Why do you make your lips red?
	Because they turn red during sexual arousal.
	That's why.
	Why do you put rouge on your cheeks?
	Same reason.
	I mean, look.
	How about high heels?
	What are they for?
	What about high heels?
	What about them?
	They're there to exaggerate sexual attractiveness.
	That's what high heels do.
	Now I'm not saying that people shouldn't use sexual displays in the workplace.
	I'm not saying that.
	But I am saying that that is what they're doing.
	And that is what they're doing.
	Do you feel like a serious woman who does not want sexual harassment in the workplace, do you feel like if she wears makeup in the workplace that she is somewhat being critical?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I do think that.
	Boom shakalaka.
	Wow, he's right.
	I'm simpatico with this guy.
	See, I knew you would like it.
	I compared you to him, and now you feel good about it.
	Yeah, I admire that you did that.
	Or admire.
	I thank you for doing that.
	You do admire it.
	Yes, that's great.
	I admire it.
	Nailed it.
	But yes, I'm totally in agreement with this.
	I don't think it's a big deal, by the way.
	And I think a lot of women would just assume...
	I'm sorry, I think most women would gladly not wear makeup and have to get all dolled up.
	I mean, Texas is the worst for this, and you live down there.
	If you work in Texas, the women like it, by the way, because I've discussed this with the women who moved from elsewhere to Texas, where they're now dolled up in the office.
	And many of them think it's fantastic, because it's fun to get all dolled up.
	And, you know, it's not necessarily trying to get laid.
	You just like to get dolled up.
	And in Texas, you can really get carried away with that.
	And you go to some of these Texas offices, and all the women are...
	And you go to a little restaurant in the middle of nowhere, a little...
	I remember running into...
	I was in Georgia, not Texas, but similar situation.
	I never could find this place again.
	It was a very obscure but absolutely fantastic place.
	Rib joint in the middle of nowhere, Georgia.
	I was stuck in Georgia for an extra day before my plane was going to leave in the evening, so I decided to drive around South Georgia.
	Where I found this rib joint in the middle of nowhere.
	I was the only guy in there.
	And this waitress comes out.
	She's doled up to the tens.
	She had...
	Big red lips and all kinds of makeup on, hair all done up and everything.
	I was just very impressed by that.
	Impressed, no less.
	But I would have to say that I agree with him, and I've been promoting this idea that in a workplace environment, especially where you have a lot of this harassment going on, women should not wear makeup or get all dolled up.
	They should wear what men wear.
	Suits.
	Not what I mean wear, but suits.
	Women's suits.
	Pantsuits.
	And probably shouldn't even be showing any legs.
	I think pants.
	Pants is fine.
	And you're good.
	Even ground.
	Nothing going on there.
	Well, I would find that very sad.
	Well, we don't work in offices, either one of us, so it's not as though that it would affect us.
	But, yeah, it is kind of sad.
	But the way things are going is kind of sad.
	Oh.
	And this concludes your sexual harassment update.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Well, with that, I would actually like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John Sears.
	He stands for cosmetics in the workplace.
	Dvorak!
	Well, in the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	Also...
	In the morning, Joel.
	Boots on the ground, feed in the air, subs in the water, and all the names of knights out there.
	In the morning to the troll room, noagendastream.com.
	Lots of people in there this morning.
	Good to see you all.
	Thank you very much, trolls.
	We love you in our own special way.
	In the morning to Lederman Studio, who brought us the artwork for episode 1006, Congressional Jignity.
	What's the title of that?
	This was an evergreen.
	Jignity.
	This was an evergreen that we liked very much and had promised ourselves to use.
	It was the classic, his master's voice, the dog cocked head looking into the gramophone horn with instead of, was that, which label was that?
	RCA. RCA, right.
	So instead of RCA, it said CIA as the label, which was cute.
	Yeah.
	It was cute.
	And we appreciate all the work that our artists do.
	It's their version of the value for value.
	And look, we've got pros working on this stuff.
	So they upload stuff during the show, and we choose something from the No Agenda Art Generator, which you can find at noagendaartgenerator.com, and we put it right there into the mp3 file, into the show notes, into the feed, everything.
	Thank you very much to everybody.
	Indeed.
	We have a few people to thank.
	I have to adjust the spreadsheet, sorry.
	Ah!
	You okay?
	You adjusted the spreadsheet, and what happened?
	Well, I blow it up to 150%, so it fills the screen, and so it's very readable from a distance, because I'm a mile away from the screen.
	And so instead of, I put in the custom, because this is different than the other spreadsheet.
	And so instead of putting 150% in, which is what I wanted to do, I put in 5%.
	And so the spreadsheet became very small.
	And you thought you had forgotten your medication.
	And the spreadsheet became very small.
	Yes.
	Very small.
	All right.
	Well, we do have to thank one person profusely, and I'm going to introduce...
	This is Insta Baron.
	What?
	I think it's like a third one that we've had.
	And I'm going to...
	For Insta Barons, I'm going to go back to something.
	I forgot about this policy we had for big donors like this.
	But we used to, this is Roger Colburn, he came in with $3,000.
	He sent a note in.
	Is that you have a stand-alone executive producership.
	So you have a set of executive producers and they have a whole bunch of people, you have one standalone executive producer and then another executive producers and a whole bunch of people.
	Which is not uncommon in Hollywood credits either.
	Very common.
	The only problem this time is that we have no other executive producers so he would stand out.
	You picked a bad day, my friend.
	But, that said, that's what he would be getting.
	Well, I can't wait to hear his note.
	I mean, he clearly derived a lot of value from the show, and I'd love to hear about it.
	Yeah, he sent a note in.
	Greetings from the frozen Traverse City, Michigan.
	Which is funny, that's where JC's wife comes from, Jesse.
	I have been a loyal listener since episode 333.
	Cool.
	It closes my racist contribution of three-fifths of a Viscount, according to the complex math, that should make me an Insta Baron.
	Why is it racist?
	Because it's the old three-fifths of slaves.
	Oh, three-fifths of slaves?
	Okay, gotcha.
	Nice!
	There you go, that no-agenda show, taking racist donations.
	As a rule follower, I had my son's research peerage rules.
	All their research revealed was their questions of why I should be donating to people whose last names are a keyboard layout or a type of spice.
	Usually, I appreciate that because usually it's like an old hack and a washed up VJ. That's usually what people say about our last names, but you know.
	Yeah.
	And the observation that a knighthood from the queen would be better.
	Good news is they did agree to listen to this episode.
	I'd like to sign honorary titles of sheriff and magistrate to my sons Alex and Eric.
	Done.
	It felt good to have my son see a life lesson in integrity by seeing me support your value for value model.
	I wrote a book on this subject, Value for Value, but that's for another episode.
	Well, I want to read it.
	I want to read it.
	I'm curious.
	Look him up.
	He's probably on...
	I'd go to Amazon in the background there.
	Look up Goldburn.
	Yes.
	If the rules allow, I would like to be knighted.
	Sir James Bond of episode 1007.
	Nice.
	Overseeing the territory of North Korea.
	Is that on my list or do I have to add this in manually?
	I think I have to add it in manually, don't I? What, North Korea?
	No, no, no, no.
	This title.
	Let me just see.
	What will his name be again?
	Sir James Bond of Episode 1007.
	Okay.
	Adam, please inform your uncle he may begin dealing with me directly.
	There has been recent cancer diagnosis for my sister and dad.
	I would like to request some F cancer karma to reset the recent bad luck for myself and my family.
	More demands from the barony later.
	Maybe lunch in Austin or in some neutral territory.
	Obviously not California.
	I'm all in.
	I do a private meetup.
	This sounds like a very interesting guy.
	Yeah, he's got the value for me.
	He probably has some research that we don't know.
	We have a lot of research that we've done for our value for value models so we can make it work even though it didn't work in this show.
	Holy crap!
	This guy's written some books.
	Well, if this is the guy, let me see.
	Yeah, probably.
	It depends on what the subject is.
	Personal Currency, The Future of Money?
	Could be.
	That could be him.
	Yeah.
	Let me see.
	I don't see anything.
	Well, maybe that's in the...
	Maybe the value for value is in that book.
	And it's Roger, right?
	Yeah, Roger Colbert.
	It's an unusual spelling, so it's probably not too many people...
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	Well, good.
	I want to read his book.
	Fantastic.
	Thank you very much.
	So he needs F Cancer Karma?
	Yep, right here.
	And thank you very much.
	I look forward to your ceremony coming up.
	This is still okay.
	We got Morgan Corkill, $250.
	He'll be our associate executive producer, one of four.
	Showed 1007.
	This donation will cast me into a sea of knighthood and in this cesspit of sensibleness, I wish to be referred to as Sir Captain Morgan and request Captain Morgan and morally questionable women at the ceremony.
	I'm a bit behind in my show watching.
	So are we, because we don't watch the show, but okay.
	But I heard something a few shows ago, and I was wondering if anyone else heard it as I did.
	It was a short clip where a vegan was talking about why a vegan would not eat cheese.
	He said it was cow rape.
	And the farmer would stick his hand up the cow's ass and fertilize the cows.
	Not sure about this, but I think he got the wrong hole.
	Guess he can't be blamed for being malnourished by the vegan diet.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, you don't stick it up the cow's ass.
	That's funny.
	Technicality.
	We didn't catch that.
	No.
	Well, I wasn't really thinking about it that deeply.
	Okay.
	No jingles, no nothing, I guess.
	Hold on.
	So he wants Captain Morgans and what else does he want?
	Women with questionable morals.
	Immoral women make it easier.
	Uh-oh.
	Is this happening again?
	Damn it.
	What, your thing's going out again?
	Yeah.
	I think you better have your tubes checked.
	Well, what happens is...
	Did you stop tape?
	No, I haven't stopped tape.
	You can continue while I... The jingles will be problematic.
	It's just...
	USB is rebooting or something.
	I don't know.
	Windows!
	Woo!
	Woo!
	Well, you're the one that went over there.
	You know, those Japo guys would love to take you back.
	Jamie Christensen in Johnston, New York.
	$214.63.
	And he sends a note in by email.
	And by the way, here's the jingles you're going to have to queue up.
	Slaves can eat mac and cheese.
	Living in the mac and cheese life.
	We and a goat scream karma.
	I have a feeling you missed a whole bunch of Morgan Corkhill jingles, if I'm not mistaken.
	Oh, they don't come up on my screen.
	Well, it's on the thing.
	Not on mine.
	I'm clicking on it, trying to expand it.
	It's been a couple of years since my last donation, so I think I deserve a de-douching.
	We'll let you decide.
	I also humbly request Donald Loves Nazis, as it totally cracks me up in karma if you want to.
	I can't bring that up.
	Hold on, let me try something here.
	Let me go into the file and go into it.
	Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
	Well, not...
	Will not expand.
	And I'm using the new Microsoft Excel.
	Well, you've really got to work on that because this has been a problem for about five years.
	There's nothing I can do.
	What am I supposed to do?
	What am I supposed to do?
	I don't know.
	Do I have no problem seeing the spreadsheet ever?
	I have no idea.
	I'm looking at it now.
	I can't get it.
	It ends with vegan diet.
	Well, let me give him his de-douching.
	You've been de-douched.
	Donald loves Nazis.
	Donald loves Nazis.
	CNN say that he's KKK and he shouts the sick hail with it.
	Wow.
	You've got karma.
	All right.
	You're there to back it up, so I'm not worried about it.
	Now, what were these other jingles for the next one?
	The next ones are Slaves Can Eat Mac and Cheese, Live in the Mac and Cheese Life, We, and The Goat Scream Karma.
	Okay.
	And was there any other note to it?
	Yes, I got a whole note here.
	Okay, go for it.
	Just give me the jingles up front like you want.
	From Miss Jamie of the Highway, rolling through Paradox, New York.
	ITM gents.
	I'm an over-the-road truck driver who has been listening for nearly five years, and only now am I financially able to support the best podcast in the universe.
	This donation of $214.63 represents my birthdate.
	Ah.
	So the 214th, we had to put her on the birthdate list.
	Ah, yes.
	Even though she didn't request it, but that's what she has to do.
	214.
	Request my birth date in celebration of completing 55 trips around the sun this coming Wednesday.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	That's a lot of driving.
	If you think about it.
	For jingles, I'd like a double helping of Mac.
	I guess if you're driving cross country and you're just constantly on the road, you can put a lot of miles up.
	55.
	A lot of miles.
	55 trips around the sun.
	For Jingles, I'd like a double helping of mac and cheese, a wee, and some good DX karma for all the hams out there.
	She's a ham.
	What's her call sign?
	I'm looking.
	I don't see it here.
	She doesn't have it.
	She's a YL. Yeah, YL. 73 from Miss Jamie.
	73s.
	Oh, here it is.
	No, here it is.
	November 3 Echo Oscar Papa Mobile.
	All right.
	You slaves can get used to mac and cheese, mac and cheese, macaroni and cheese, cheddar melted together, mac and cheese, mac and cheese, mac and cheese.
	Living the mac and cheese life.
	Mac and cheese by Ayn Rand.
	You've got karma.
	Okay.
	Next, Charles Schultz came in as a check in Madison, Alabama, and there is an email that came in transparently and in parallel.
	I just scheduled a bank check to be sent to your post office box.
	This represents 10% of my first Social Security quote-unquote check.
	Like a good slave, I waited until my full retirement age to claim my Social Security benefit so I can continue to work full-time and collect my entitlement without a reduction in the payment.
	I guess I consider it a phased retirement since I'll be able to back off on the amount of overtime and the side hustles I've been working for years.
	This payment to the show is long overdue since PayPal randomly killed off my $5 per month payment years ago.
	Please de-douche me.
	You've been de-douched.
	And a dose of karma wouldn't help, he says.
	Anything else or just go for the karma now?
	That's it.
	That's it.
	Otherwise it would have ran to you earlier.
	You've got karma.
	And that's Chuck Schultz.
	K4CAY 73s.
	We have a lot of hams coming today.
	It's the hams.
	You betcha.
	The hams are saving the show.
	Ed Laboutillier.
	200 bucks and it's a Appears to be no jingles, no comment, but he does say, be my valentine.
	Now, we did have a special offer that nobody took up on, which is to get your name in the newsletter as calling out your partner, lover, wife, husband, whatever, as your valentine.
	And nobody picked up on this.
	And I thought about this because it was like, I thought it was a good idea.
	It was a good gimmick.
	People give $200 this and that.
	It's not like completely outrageous.
	I'm going to reintroduce it again on Tuesday before Wednesday, but I don't know if it's going to help.
	I concluded that it was my write-up on the newsletter that was the problem.
	Okay.
	What happened?
	I think it was confusing.
	Poorly sold.
	I think it was done poorly.
	I should have put more of the information at the top, not after explaining the whole damn thing.
	It was very poorly done.
	I think people who like to study the newsletter for its sales attributes, because there's a sales pitch in there in every newsletter, sometimes it's strong, sometimes it's weak.
	And see how poorly done this was.
	It was just poorly done.
	It reminded me of the more recent poorly done newsletter, where I confused people about the double your, you know, you get two executive producer credits, and some people, including the chefs, thought that it meant big.
	Yeah, there was all kinds of crap with that.
	Yeah, so now I'm concerned.
	Yes, I know you took a B12 this morning, so that can't be it.
	I don't know.
	Maybe I'm losing my touch.
	Have you been socializing with the strange people?
	Well, I socialize with the two liberals.
	If you're flame texting with them, they could have thrown your game off, man.
	I'm trying to think.
	Did I do that before or after the note?
	Oh, see.
	I don't know.
	Well, I don't have a timeline, so I don't know.
	Anyway, I feel disappointed that nobody cares.
	You know, but apparently nobody has any love in their life that they wanted to.
	I personally, although, yeah, the newsletter I thought was a bit weak.
	Well, thanks.
	You didn't say that.
	You thought it was a good idea, you said.
	It was a good idea.
	But, yeah, you know, when I saw it come through, you know, because I only get the text beforehand.
	I don't get the full thing.
	So maybe it was layout.
	But I think the issue is that we, you know, to ride on something like a Valentine's Day, you know, we need the mainstream to kind of, that it's a way we can ride.
	And they don't really crank it up until tomorrow.
	And, you know, no one's thinking really about Valentine's Day yet on Saturday when the newsletter comes out.
	Maybe.
	You might be right.
	But it's Valentine's Day's Wednesday and our next show's on Thursday.
	Yeah, I know.
	I know.
	I think maybe it's a kid's thing.
	You know, you have a little Valentine's so you can insult a little boy.
	You know, if you're a girl or a little girl, you shouldn't get a Valentine from you.
	She feels bad.
	It was a yo-man's job, but still.
	Yo-man's job.
	Yo-man?
	Yo-man.
	Yo-man.
	Well, anyway, I feel it was like a fail.
	Hashtag fail.
	But I did have some funny pictures in there, including that one from Saudi Arabia.
	And I want to mention, since that was, I put a little note at the bottom saying, can anyone verify this?
	And somebody indeed verified it, that it's legit.
	That in McDonald's in Saudi Arabia, women aren't allowed.
	Please, no women.
	No women in the McDonald's.
	I'll bet you $10 your service dog can go in, but no women.
	Yeah.
	Well, this is a part of our value-for-value model, which works reasonably well.
	The idea that you can monetize the network is something I've said is just really not possible.
	Probably in our second donation segment, we should talk about it.
	We should do it in the second one.
	Well, we should do a little bit, but I want to make sure that if you put a note down, we have to talk about the Newsweek situation.
	Well, that's what I'm going to talk about in the second segment.
	That's exactly what I said.
	Well, you didn't say that.
	I'm not a psychic.
	I can't read your mind.
	Well, since you and I had an email thing about it, I figured maybe you'd be psychic.
	Yeah, well, I can't even remember doing that.
	But I do want to, you know, because we have all these interesting things like karma, you know, F cancer karma, jobs karma, and there's something about the no agenda community and the value for value model that struck me really hard while reading this book by a guy named Johan Hari.
	It's called Lost Connections, Uncovering the Real Causes of Depression and the Unexpected Solutions.
	This is a fascinating book.
	Are you depressed?
	Yes.
	No.
	Which are you?
	No.
	Are you sure?
	Because you do exhibit some of the symptoms.
	Oh yeah, like what?
	Well, look, if you read the book, and I will definitely, I want to tell you a little bit about it.
	Just give me a summary.
	If you'll stop interrupting me, I shall.
	Good.
	This guy went to as many researchers who had done studies about depression as he could because he had suffered from depression.
	And what he found, and this is why he wrote this book, is it's no surprise to us in the no agenda thinking that SSRIs, you know, these are the serotonin inhibitors.
	Is it Prozac as an SSRI as well?
	I believe so.
	Was that the mac daddy of them all?
	But all these different medications, if you do the FOIA requests and you really see the studies, of course, there's 500 studies.
	498 are not published, although they do have to give them to the FDA. But the two successful ones that say, oh, people who have depression...
	The best.
	Yeah, it works.
	It's perfect, and then it gets on the market.
	And through a lot of studies they've found, there shall be no surprise, that it really, you know, people who are given a placebo don't see much less of an improvement over people who receive the drug.
	I mean, really, like 1%.
	It's really, really low.
	And the story, and this is what fascinated me, is that he had been roped into SSRIs, which he wound up taking for 14 years.
	The story is that you have a chemical imbalance in your brain.
	And that's how they've been sold.
	Although, I didn't know this, there is zero study anywhere that says depression comes from a chemical imbalance in the brain.
	If you look at someone who's depressed, you do a scan, you're going to see something different than someone who is not depressed.
	But that is a symptom, not the cause.
	So he went back to try and find out what is really the cause of depression.
	And it's a whole bunch of things.
	They're very obvious.
	But no one has ever stopped to ask people, why are you depressed?
	They say, oh, you're depressed?
	This SSRI will help you, which it does temporarily.
	It takes away a little bit of that feeling.
	But then, you know, the depression creeps up.
	They up the dosage.
	And that's how you just stay on the ladder for the rest of your life until it ends up.
	Usually it winds out pretty badly for people.
	But as he goes through it, it turns out that a lot of depression comes from the lifestyle that we have today.
	And what humans apparently really need is connection.
	And social media plays right into this, but it's really, it's fake.
	It's not a real connection.
	It gives people incredible endorphins and all the stuff you need to feel very happy when you're part of a community like the No Agenda community.
	But it only works, and this is why I bring this up, and I'm sure we'll be talking about this book more in the future.
	It only works if you also have In-person contact.
	We are built for it.
	We're geared for it.
	It's necessary.
	And I am committing now, and we've talked about this, but I am committing to do meet-ups regularly.
	And it shows.
	The No Agenda community do meet-ups without us.
	They get together.
	Because they need it.
	We all need it.
	So, bear that in mind.
	These are good meet-ups.
	These are good meet-ups because you have people that have been kind of broken away from the pack.
	Totally.
	And who are either healthy or desperately want to be healthy because today's life is anything but.
	And again, this book, it's just really nicely worded.
	It's nothing that we don't know because obviously advertising is geared to let you know that you're a loser unless you drink this beer.
	You'll never get laid.
	If you don't have that car, you're just a dumb shit.
	These days, they even make the men look like dumb shits in the commercials on purpose.
	So it's meant to scare you into it.
	And this is a big thing that really hit me.
	If you're in a job that doesn't really do anything for you, doesn't excite you, it's just a job to make money, you're going to get depressed if you aren't depressed already.
	Not if you like making money.
	Well, people who like making money are the most depressed.
	They are the most depressed because you cannot trick your human psyche into feeling happy just because you made more money.
	That's the materialistic ego and it doesn't work.
	But anyway, meetup coming in Austin very soon.
	So Texas and all surrounding states, be ready because not only do you need it, I need it too.
	So we need some personal connection.
	And you're going out for more meetups too, John.
	Yeah, I got a Bay Area meetup coming.
	I'll probably do another one in LA. I'd like to do a Seattle meetup.
	Well, we have an idea, and I asked you to pick a date, which you haven't done yet, but we'll pick a date.
	We're going to do a meetup in Austin, and we're going to connect that meetup with your meetup.
	So we'll do it on the same day, more or less the same time.
	Yeah, we need a couple of dudes named Ben, and we're going to put some big screens and have two cameras on each meetup, and you'll be kind of a joint meetup.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And we could even do more if we wanted.
	Like what?
	Well, we could have more people with their meetups connecting.
	Oh, yeah, maybe.
	Well, let's do the one first, and then we can do it.
	Yeah, we'll start it with that.
	If we even get that done.
	Anyway, the book is called Lost Connections.
	It's on Kindle, I think.
	Sounds like it's condemning the social media.
	That's part of what it does.
	But when you read this, I realized once again, it's no wonder I love my job.
	Because it doesn't feel like a job.
	And as long as I can pay the rent and eat, I really don't care.
	I know you may feel differently.
	LAUGHTER That's why you may be a little more depressed than me.
	I'm not depressed.
	Why are you saying I'm depressed?
	Do I sound depressed?
	Do I sound depressed?
	Why don't you wrap this?
	Because if you mention eating, I have three clips on eating.
	I would like to thank everybody who came in today as an associate executive producer and our Insta Baron, big executive producer, single standing line.
	We'll be thanking more people and talking more about advertising, which doesn't seem to work as well versus our model in our second segment.
	And please remember, another show coming up on Thursday.
	Slash N-A. And you have four days in the meantime to go out there, talk to everybody, propagate the formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Shut up, Slade.
	Shut up, Slade.
	All righty.
	This woman was on C-SPAN. I'm looking for stuff.
	Book TV is very interesting on C-SPAN because you get these authors and they pretty much give you the book.
	They summarize their own book and it's very interesting.
	This woman comes on.
	I wasn't planning on watching this.
	I just caught it.
	She's reading from her book on eating.
	Her name is Rebecca Hertz.
	And she is an expert on eating.
	And I've got three clips to play.
	One is just the end of her reading about the book where she got a round of applause.
	And she's just reading from her book.
	It's entertaining, but she's talking about how you can use smells to do dieting.
	If you're getting an urge to eat or you're really hungry, you smell something that has nothing to do with food, like crayons or...
	She likes to use methyl acetate, personally.
	So that can deter you from eating or make you eat or either way?
	No, no.
	It deters you.
	Vanilla makes you eat more if you smell that.
	But generally speaking, smelling something that's not food-related, that is a memorable smell, will...
	It takes your brain and scrambles it and says, no, no, no, let me think about this.
	You lose your appetite.
	Oh, interesting.
	It's short.
	It doesn't last forever, but it's something you can do to trick yourself into not eating when you get the munchies.
	This clip is her summary reading from the book, and that gets interesting.
	Odors trigger our most emotional and evocative memories.
	Therefore, the most effective way to use them as a diet aid is to find an aroma or several which not only distracts you from thoughts of donuts, but triggers personal memories potent enough to disrupt what you were thinking about, donuts or otherwise.
	Aromas that take you on a trip down memory lane or transport you back to a moment when you were especially fulfilled or inspire you with feelings of confidence can rent you from your cravings while also delivering a punch of positive emotion that may give you the fortitude to move beyond your unbidden food desires.
	The key is to find the aromas that are particularly evocative for you.
	As due to our unique experiences, the scents connected to the most motivating memories are different for everyone.
	Once you've found aromas that carry you to special moments in time or uplift you with invigorating emotions, try inhaling one when a craving that you want to dispel hits.
	Even after the intensity of the memory and feeling fades, now that you've reoriented yourself mentally, your craving should be diminished.
	As you've said, "I want to keep on with what you are doing without succumbing to temptation, at least for a little while." Odors and tastes are extremely powerful sensory forces, and they guide and shape our experiences with food and life in a multitude of extraordinary ways.
	But there are also many other sensory and psychological factors that play pivotal roles in whether we reach for a burger or a banana and how much we eat when we do.
	Oh, that sounds plausible.
	Yeah.
	The author, she's the book, the book is Why You Eat What You Eat.
	And she is a very interesting book.
	I have the munchies, that's why I eat.
	But when the question and answers came up, it became, I thought, a lot more fascinating because there was more specifics and she talked about some research.
	So I heard two more clips and this is the loud noises and sweet flavors clip.
	There are giant ovens somewhere that are invisible, but in fact there aren't.
	So actually Cinnabun is a classic example.
	Their aroma of cinnamon is extremely intense and alluring and there's no one baking cinnamon buns anywhere nearby.
	And a bunch of coffee establishments often will do the same kind of tricks.
	Restaurants as well, if there's like an Italian restaurant, often they'll pipe out sort of garlicky aromas.
	And this is to lure people in by their noses because often, even when we're not hungry, if we smell something that's really appetizing, it will not only make us want to eat, but make us want to eat that specific food.
	So yes, there is food marketing in that way that's being done to a certain extent.
	There's also things that restaurants, I think, don't realize that they're doing which have counterproductive effects on eating, especially the more expensive restaurants and trendy restaurants, which is playing really loud music.
	And even though that might be cool, that actually has a detrimental effect on your experience of eating for two reasons.
	One, because really loud music, and especially really fast music, makes you eat more quickly.
	It makes you want to leave more quickly so that you're not getting the full enjoyment of the meal.
	And another thing actually has to do with the fact that loud noise, in fact, influences our ability to taste.
	And this is why on airplanes, food never tastes very good, even when you're in first class.
	And that's because a loud ambient noise actually affects one of the cranial nerves that's involved in our ability to taste foods.
	So the corditimony nerve, which is the cranial nerve involved in hearing, is actually also involved in taste perception.
	And really loud noise, which is activating that, has a dampening effect on sweet taste and salty taste, two tastes that we like a lot.
	So, you know, whatever you're eating when it's really loud, like the 80 to 90 decibel rumble on an airplane is going to taste less sweet and less salty and so less good.
	It doesn't, however, affect bitterness.
	So the grapefruit that you get in your morning transcontinental flight is really bitter and doesn't have any of the sweetness or doesn't have as much of the sweetness as you would have gotten otherwise.
	So loud noise in restaurants, like I said, even I don't think restaurants realize this, has a detrimental impact on diners' experiences.
	I didn't know that.
	I didn't know it either, but it makes sense the way she explains it.
	Yeah.
	And I've always found that really loud places, I don't like to go there.
	I don't like to go to loud.
	I mean, restaurants are just so loud you can't hear the other person talk.
	Yeah, we went to, when we were in Chicago over Christmas, we went to a steakhouse, and the music was just a little too loud.
	And it was also kind of 70s, 80s music, which is odd for this type of place.
	And it detracts from the experience, for sure.
	Yeah, I don't know what they're thinking.
	And here's the last one, which I thought was another thing that we should all note.
	Are there different patterns or desires with food intake if you were, say, eating alone or eating at the dinner table with a group of people and you're in a vigorous conversation or something like that?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	In fact, the number of people you eat exponentially influences how much you consume.
	And so eating with just one other person increases how much you want to eat.
	If you're eating with six other people, it's much, much more than that.
	Even eating with strangers makes you eat more than when you're by yourself, although not to the same extent.
	And there's another factor which you also mentioned in your question, which is that what you're doing with those other people, talking vigorously, being excited, and especially if it's something that you're celebrating, that also encourages more eating.
	And if food is also in front of you for longer, then you keep on reaching into it.
	And another really interesting thing is if you don't see the discard from your food.
	So let's say you went to a bar with your friends after a softball game.
	And you're ordering nachos and chicken wings and this and that.
	And the server is continuously clearing the table so that you don't see how much you've consumed.
	You'll keep ordering another round of chicken wings over here.
	If you see the bones piling up, you're more likely to say, oh my goodness, hold on a second.
	So there's definitely, the social environment has a really big impact.
	Okay.
	You always learn something on the No Agenda show.
	Well, I'll add to that.
	What was the name of her book?
	Why You Eat What You Eat.
	So Lost Connections was looking into obesity.
	And these studies, it's great.
	I looked a couple of them up.
	He has footnotes and everything.
	These are studies that have been funded properly and done.
	And they wanted to see, well, what if you just, like a political prisoner who goes on a hunger strike, what if you just have people not eat, but you give them the nutrients they need, so enough vitamin C so they don't die of scurvy and all this other stuff.
	And this one study was done with, I think, 400 people who were around 400 pounds obese.
	Can you imagine that room?
	And so they did exactly that.
	And they were able to take people from 400 pounds to 150 pounds in about four months.
	But once they were done, within three weeks, they'd be eating so much, they were 250 pounds, and they just rocketed back up to 400.
	And they said, well, why is this happening?
	Obviously, it's the intake of food, the amount of food.
	And no one had done this.
	60%.
	Of all obese people in this study had been sexually abused as a child.
	And the number one way to protect yourself is to make yourself unattractive.
	Ah.
	60%, John.
	That's crazy.
	That's big numbers.
	Yeah, but there's 40% that weren't and they were still fat.
	You had to deal with them.
	I'm not sure what you're saying.
	And she has a discussion about this.
	She says, and I wouldn't talk about the 40%, not the abused.
	She says that everybody has a...
	There's some study that talks about there's a middle ground where you're going to gravitate toward this weight and size.
	If you go over, you gravitate back down.
	If you go under, you gravitate back up.
	And there are some people that are just big.
	Oh, sure.
	And they're in Texas, by the way.
	Well, we eat entire cows at a time.
	We eat a lot.
	Well, I felt there was something in there.
	Yeah, I'll read that book.
	It's good.
	So, in other words, if you're going to be in first class and you're going to get the good food, you get the caviar, you get the good wines, the good cognacs, put those headphones on.
	Yeah, you've got to have the noise-canceling headphones.
	Yeah, put those on and food will taste a lot better.
	I'm going to try.
	That's an easy experiment to try at home.
	Well, just when I thought the pipeline wars were over, they pulled me back in.
	You know, we're at war once again, now in Syria, at a very interesting spot where we have bombed back, that is the term I've heard used, bombed back the Syrian army.
	Now, it's a spot where the old pipeline would cross.
	You know, we still have the competing pipelines.
	The Qatari pipeline, which is supposed to go up originally to Turkey, but it may go into Greece.
	And we still have the Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline.
	And that's part of what this is.
	But just the backgrounder, on February 2nd, Associated Press reporting...
	The United States has no evidence to confirm reports from aid groups and others that the Syrian government has used deadly chemical sarin on its citizens.
	This is Mattis, Mad Dog.
	Quote, We have other reports from the battlefield from people who claim it's been used.
	We do not have evidence of it.
	But, but, but, just a couple days later, good old Heather there in the State Department.
	The Secretary recently talked about this, and let me just underscore and highlight some of the important things that we would like to see take place with regard to Russia as it pertains to Syria.
	They need to stop using chemical weapons.
	Syria does.
	But we also know that chemical weapons use is enabled by Russia.
	They need to support a new mandate.
	We know, it's just a fact, we know chemical weapons are enabled by Russia.
	I'm not sure what it means.
	Does it mean they're giving them to them?
	They're looking the other way?
	The Russians helped take those weapons out.
	We actually, the ones that disposed of them.
	Well, apparently, even though there's no evidence according to Mad Dog, the State Department...
	So Mad Dog says there's no evidence.
	We on this show have pointed out study after study that showed that one attack, not the most recent one, but the last one, Or the one earlier that was attributed to the...
	Yeah, the big one during the Obama administration.
	Yeah, that one was shown to be bull crap because the missiles went too far, the wrong kind of missiles, the wrong kind of gas.
	And they tested chemical weapons in the UK. This is why Obama didn't attack.
	And once he got the report, it's like, oh shit, that's not theirs.
	You remember that?
	Yeah, I do remember that, and it was like it became a problem because he didn't attack.
	He didn't attack, right.
	The New World Order, the neocons, and everybody that's all war-hungry.
	Well, they're back, they're back.
	Let's finish this.
	Just listen to Heather.
	This is a PR job of epic proportions.
	You'll hear her.
	She even breaks her typical cadence to really add some emotional emphasis to how horrible this is.
	Syria does.
	But we also know that chemical weapons use is enabled by Russia.
	They need to support a new mandate like the JEM, the J-A-M, which has been foiled multiple times at the U.N. Security Council.
	Secretary Tillerson, we talked about this the other day, took part in the Paris signing of a new entity that's been set up by the French with, I believe, it's 25 other governments who care about having an investigative mechanism put in place so that we can prevent the use of chemical weapons against civilians.
	Let me remind you, six times in the last 30 days, some form of chemical weapons have been used on the Syrian people.
	It's disgusting, it's horrific, and it's evil.
	And we would like to see that stop.
	But we'll keep following this.
	We'll keep working on it.
	The government is meeting.
	I have to assure you that this is a top issue for us.
	Yeah, it's a top issue, and she's promoting this because we need a cover.
	For the war that we're now starting.
	Or just continuing, or whatever it is.
	And there's a lot of issues in this region.
	We know that we now have, as we talked about maybe five years ago now, there's a dispute about the Leviathan oil field, the gas field.
	Israel says it's theirs.
	Now Lebanon is saying, well, no, it's part of it's ours.
	You know, whose is it really?
	So there's trouble there.
	But the Golan Heights...
	The Golan Heights.
	This is the region that lies right in between Syria and Israel.
	This is occupied territory.
	Israel claimed that after the 67 Six Day War.
	And in 2015, you'll never guess, but they discovered this may have the largest, largest oil field underneath it, larger than what Saudi Arabia can tap into.
	That's pretty big.
	I don't know anything about the numbers that they're saying here, about the strata and whatever it is, but this is disputed territory, and I'm sure the Russians do not want Israel and America to get that.
	You know, I want to mention something.
	Heather would not be getting away with this if Gayon Chichikhan or any Russian was in that room that used to be in the room during the Obama administration grilling them anytime they brought up Russia or blaming Russia for something that's not verified or provable.
	Yeah, you're right.
	You're right.
	This is very weak.
	They've kicked all those people out.
	Well, there is a company that has the drilling rights.
	That company is called AFEC, A-F-E-C. Is it public?
	No.
	Believe me, I checked.
	It is a subsidiary of Genie Oil and Gas.
	Is that public?
	I don't.
	Let me see.
	I don't believe so.
	Let me just check.
	Somebody's got to be public.
	Yes, G-N-E. G-N-E. That's their symbol.
	Good.
	You want to look it up?
	G-N-E? I'm going to do that right now.
	Okay.
	Now, depending on how the war goes, it'll be a long or a short.
	We're not really sure yet.
	Well, it probably won't be a short because usually these companies aren't that shortable.
	They just stay where they were.
	They're not going to go down unless they've skyrocketed because people know about this.
	Well, when I read the following names to you, you'll want to go long.
	Now, a reminder that our Secretary of State, who Heather works for, is Rex Tillerson.
	He's an oil guy.
	So, you know, there's no doubt about it in my mind where, once again, we send in the U.S. military, known as the United States Mineral Extraction Unit.
	So we send them in, kill everybody around, then we protect it all so that we can go and drill.
	The Strategic Advisory Board of Genie Oil and Gas.
	You ready?
	$4 a share.
	Oh, steal!
	Well, you don't know that.
	It could go broke tomorrow.
	Anyway, go on.
	On the Strategic Advisory Board, Dick Cheney, Rupert Murdoch, Bill Richardson, R. James Woolsey, former director of CIA, Dr.
	Lawrence Summers, and then my favorite, Jacob Rothschild.
	Oh my god.
	It's the trifecta.
	More than a trifecta, it's a quadrifecta.
	Yes.
	So that's what this is about.
	That's a good call.
	And we're going to use the cover of their use...
	We need a gym, which is the joint...
	What is that?
	The joint investigation...
	I forget what it is.
	I have it here.
	Here's...
	A joint investigative mechanism, which was blown up a couple years ago.
	The Russians said, screw this, we don't want to be, they vetoed it.
	It's a UN thing, which no one really cares, but they're just looking for cover.
	They're looking for cover, and that's what this is about.
	It's just extracting resources from arguably stolen land, or disputed land, let's put it that way.
	It's disputed.
	It's disputed.
	It's just disputed.
	When you visit Israel, they'll tell you there's good reasons for it.
	You'll be flowing around one of the cities and they point at the Golan Heights and say, see you up there?
	They could be bombing us from up there.
	It's up in the air.
	You could throw rocks and go a mile.
	Anyway, I'm disappointed by this behavior.
	And more disappointed that there's no one in the State Department who stands up, like you said, and says, hey, What is going on here?
	We got nothing to do with your story.
	Now, let's play Action Over Syria.
	This is the Saturday report from yesterday, and what's good, this is from PBS. I'm looking for it.
	Action?
	Oh, yeah, I see it.
	Yeah, I got it.
	Good evening and thanks for joining us.
	Conflict in the skies over Syria and Israel this evening following the most serious skirmishes between the two countries since 2011.
	Right now two Israeli pilots are being treated for injuries after Syria shot down their F-16 while they were striking what Israel says are Iranian air bases within Syria.
	But today's violence began after Israel shot down an Iranian drone which Mm-hmm.
	So it's Iran now.
	Okay.
	Good.
	We're back to the West Park.
	Well, now, you know, now it's very suspicious because they went on with this story with some woman who's with the biggest blue eyes I've ever seen.
	She's an English girl.
	And she was doing a remote on Skype.
	And normally I would play at least some of it.
	If you don't mind the whole thing sounding like this.
	Yeah, it's harsh, I know.
	It's rough.
	And so I wasn't going to play it.
	And she went on to discuss that there was a second strike.
	The first strike was against Iranian drone base.
	Yeah.
	And the second strike was another Iranian drone base.
	And that's what got my attention, which is, why would they have two drone bases?
	In Syria that needed to be bombed.
	And do they?
	I doubt it.
	Or are they talking about little drones?
	There's a dude with a remote control on the ground and all of a sudden he's got a hellfire.
	No, they're talking about drone bases, which means they're talking about big drones, the big boys.
	That's my guess.
	I mean, it could be bullshit, but where was the drone shot down?
	We don't know.
	Was it shot down over Golan Heights?
	Were they just scoping out the area?
	It's got the oil that you say is there?
	Could be.
	Or that somebody says is there?
	And then...
	Were they bombing the areas where the pipelines were going to go?
	I mean, this whole thing, with that information, the new information, those stuff that you're discussing.
	Puts it in a different light, doesn't it?
	It puts everything in a different light, and now we have to look at it.
	From that perspective.
	Skeptical, and it doesn't help.
	I was very dissatisfied with my military contacts.
	I said, well, why are we bombing the Syrians?
	And what I got back was, they came too close.
	And, by the way, it's funny because ISIS is actually in the no man's land in between the Syrians and us.
	So they're basically caught in the hellfire.
	But, you know, it's like they got too close.
	I'm not buying it.
	I don't like your answer.
	This is the answer.
	Well, without anybody asking strong questions in the State Department briefing...
	We'll never find out.
	Which is why you need RT in there.
	And the fact that it's not been discussed that we don't have any Russians.
	I don't know.
	Maybe there is a Russian that they're not saying anything.
	But usually we would have a Russian or even Matt stop them at this.
	Because what she said was the usual stuff that Matt usually stops them too.
	Which is we know the Russians are doing this.
	How do we know that?
	And of course, you'd have to say the Russian investigation with Trump is also part of the smokescreen.
	So we're dealing with a smokescreen here.
	A big one, as usual.
	Well, it's because a lot of money is involved.
	Jacob Rothschild, wow.
	There's a guy.
	Did you ever see that video of the kid who goes up to Jacob Rothschild?
	Because Rothschild...
	When he's in his garden?
	No, no, he's roaming around.
	He just left a meeting.
	Oh, no.
	And he's roaming around the streets.
	Because a lot of these rich guys are like that.
	Because you don't know what they look like.
	They feel very comfortable just roaming around without bodyguards.
	Bodyguards?
	Gods.
	And so he's roaming around.
	This guy basically a costume starts grilling him about the Illuminati.
	It's just the funniest thing ever.
	Because Roger doesn't know what the kid's talking about.
	Yeah, he does.
	I don't think so.
	Yeah, I do.
	Where in the world is Victoria Kagan Noodleman?
	Woo!
	That's right, everybody.
	We've been looking for her.
	She has emerged as the CEO of a top warmongering think tank, Victoria Kagan Noodleman.
	She's reappearing on the scene now as the CEO of...
	What is that outfit called again?
	Wasn't she just a PR woman?
	Now she's a CEO? How does that work?
	She's the wife of...
	And she was an ambassador.
	Come on.
	You know, she was the deputy secretary of state.
	Well, she started off as a PR woman.
	How did she get to there even?
	Well, Trump started off as a builder of slums.
	I mean, come on.
	What kind of question is that?
	It's a good one.
	It's the Center for a New American Security.
	Oh yeah, I've heard of these guys.
	It's a warmongering think tank, pretty much.
	I'd like to remind you...
	Who else is in that group?
	There's a whole bunch of creeps in that group.
	Yeah, we went through the list.
	I can tell you now.
	What is it?
	Center for American Security.
	Center for American Security.
	Let's see.
	Boy, man.
	She's looking a little rough, Vicki.
	I don't think she's a happy camper.
	No, probably not.
	Okay, let's see.
	CNAS.org.
	CNAS. And let's see if we can find about...
	I think I read this list previously.
	People.
	Board of Advisors.
	Let's see.
	She looks like she just doesn't look good.
	She looks like William Shatner.
	Doesn't she?
	There's a lot of insults you can give out, but...
	Well, Shatner looks fine, but he's 80.
	I mean, you know, he's puffy.
	So the Board of Advisors is not...
	She's not 80.
	It's just all military people, as far as I can see.
	He owns the Board of Directors.
	Armitage, of course.
	Lieberman, Judd Johnson, James Murdoch.
	Oh, those guys spread out the Murdochs, don't they?
	Yeah.
	It's a military outfit.
	Anyway, she was interviewed by Politico, one of her best friends who works at Politico.
	I left that out of it.
	Let's remember what she said in that taped telephone conversation that the Russians released.
	We believe it was the Russians.
	This is where, the way I recall it...
	We went in saying, the Russians are trying to screw up the elections, they're trying to take over the place, we've got to go in and we've got to rig the elections.
	And we're going to put our guys in.
	And this was caught on tape.
	And the Russians published that, and here's a copy of the damning part.
	I can't remember if I told you this or if I only told Washington this, that when I talked to Jeff Feltman this morning, he had a new name for the UN guy, Robert Sari.
	Did I write you that this morning?
	Yeah, I saw that.
	He's now gotten both Sari and Ban Ki-moon to agree that Sari could come in Monday or Tuesday.
	Okay.
	So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the UN help glue it.
	And, you know, fuck the EU. No, exactly.
	And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude, the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it.
	Okay, so I think that kind of backs up our theory.
	And if you listen to the whole conversation, they're talking about the boxer, we've got to get in him, but we've got to put him in the background because he's really no good.
	You recall all this.
	Yeah, they picked the leaders, they picked who was going to be the mayor.
	I mean, we, let's just be honest about it, we picked him.
	We were fighting the Russians, and we were meddling in someone else's elections, to an extreme, I might point out.
	To an extreme, we're hand-picking people.
	While I'm driving off laughing, this is what I'll say.
	Fuck the EU.
	You know, the Russians must be beside themselves thinking that that release of that tape would have sunk her forever.
	you And that she's now back, you mean?
	Well, she's never left.
	She's always been in the program.
	Well, she actually mentions that.
	So this is a long interview.
	I just picked out one piece about this particular situation.
	Well, in some ways, they've been quite successful at doing that, not only in the 2016 election hacking, which, of course, will...
	You know how much I love that when people, journos, just say, the 2016 election hacking.
	What is that supposed to mean?
	That is horrible.
	It's a meme.
	But it's a lie.
	It's a total lie.
	What?
	Hacking, specifically.
	Well, in some ways, they've been quite successful at doing that, not only in the 2016 election hacking, which, of course, we'll talk about.
	But let's go back in time to 2014.
	Arguably, you were at the leading edge of this.
	You were being hacked before, as I said, before it was fashionable.
	Hacked!
	Now everything's hacked.
	Before it was fashionable.
	Before 2014, by the way, it wasn't fashionable, but now it's fashionable in 2014.
	Hello, Vogue!
	What did you learn from that incident?
	Let's talk about it.
	You're there in Ukraine as this street revolution, in fact, is unfolding around it, and a pro-Russia regime ultimately is replaced with a...
	Well, I thought she was hacked, but no, she was taped.
	Talking with your colleague, the U.S. Ambassador Ukraine.
	So, I learned that this movement that was going on in Ukraine, which, remember, was about integrating with the EU. They didn't even want to join the EU. They just wanted to be able to trade and have free...
	What?
	That's bull trap.
	What was it about?
	They wanted to join the EU as a big deal.
	In fact, it was the Russians who demanded they never ever think about it.
	They said, wait a minute, we want to join the EU. It'd be cool.
	It was the whole Ascension thing.
	It happened amongst the midst of Ukraine shutting off Russian gas into Europe.
	Yeah, they wanted to join the EU. They wanted to be in the EU, Vicky.
	That this movement...
	She's a liar.
	It gets better.
	...was going on in Ukraine, which, remember, was about integrating with the EU. They didn't even want to join the EU. They just wanted to be able to trade and have...
	Oh, yeah.
	Just trade.
	It was so threatening to the Putin administration that they would pull out Cold War-style dirty tricks, not just against me, but of course against the Ukrainians and against others who supported them.
	And that the gloves were coming off and the knives were coming out, that we were not going to have a fair fight to allow folks to choose for themselves, that this was going to be a real struggle.
	So we had to meddle in their elections.
	Pretty hostile act to publicly release this phone call, which has this inflammatory moment where you're saying F the EU.
	I'm sure that made for some fun conversations with your fellow diplomats.
	So just to recap that moment, what was going on was, you know, we had had 200,000 protesters on the streets of Ukraine.
	Yes, we saw you handing out cookies.
	Hold on a second.
	Stop it.
	Back a little bit.
	When she says this...
	Of course, this is Lisa Desjardins that can spot her voice interviewing her.
	And she's the one with the big nose and the one who's got some connection to one of the donors of the show.
	I mentioned this before.
	Victoria says we.
	Yes.
	We had 200,000 people on the street.
	Yes, thank you.
	Remember, we had.
	Yeah, because we organized it.
	We did it.
	We had 2,000.
	It wasn't they had 2,000.
	The Ukrainians had 2,000 people.
	It's they.
	It's we.
	We had 200,000 people.
	Unbelievable.
	Does Lisa say anything about her usage?
	No, because I should have clipped the opening.
	It's like, my good friend, Victoria Nuland.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	Owls.
	Yes.
	You know, publicly released this phone call, which has this inflammatory moment where you're saying F the EU. I'm sure that made for some fun conversations with your fellow diplomats.
	So just to recap that moment, what was going on was, you know, we had had 200,000 protesters on the streets of Ukraine and the Maidan in the snow for two months protesting that their leader was realigning with Russia and not allowing them to integrate with the EU. And there was no clear constitutional way for them to express their views through the ballot box.
	So we were trying to work with Ukrainians to form some kind of a technical government.
	Again, we.
	And then she catches herself.
	We're trying to work with the Ukrainians.
	You're sort of talking about all the different politicians who are in the mix for this job, one of whom I saw is going to be here in Washington this week.
	Next week, right.
	So essentially what was happening was we were trying to help midwife between the government and the opposition, a coalition government, and we were getting closer, finally, and Yanukovych had finally offered the opposition some slots in this government, but the opposition wasn't going to negotiate unless there was a neutral observer.
	And so we were trying to get the EU to come in and be that neutral observer.
	And they were...
	How can you be neutral if part of the argument is they want to be in the EU? That's not neutral.
	Indecisive.
	And by the way, that's bullshit because they wanted to bring in the UN, the Dutch guy.
	That's what they wanted to bring in to do some negotiations.
	I remember that.
	And the moment was about to pass.
	So in my private conversation, out of frustration, it wasn't a, you know, strategic frustration.
	It was a tactical frustration.
	A tactical?
	What is a tactical?
	A political frustration versus a strategic frustration.
	She has a...
	Oh, brother.
	That's unbelievable to even say that.
	What does it mean?
	It doesn't mean anything.
	Well, she's saying it like I should.
	It wasn't a strategy.
	Well, maybe it means something to her.
	Tactical frustration, that means she was frustrated on purpose.
	Yes, that's what I'm thinking.
	The opposition some slots in this government, but the opposition wasn't going to negotiate unless there was a neutral observer.
	And so we were trying to get the EU to come in and be that neutral observer, and they were indecisive.
	And the moment was about to pass.
	So in my private conversation, out of frustration, it wasn't a, you know, strategic frustration.
	It was a tactical frustration.
	I used this barnyard epithet and say, let's use the UN as the negotiator.
	And then, of course, the Russians tried to make that an indictment of us, of me, because we were, frankly, being too effective on the ground and they wanted to get us off the boards.
	What's interesting, right, in hindsight, well, A, in hindsight, it seemed kind of clean.
	I mean, frankly, you talk about it as a Barnard epithet, but now look at the language we use in public now in our debates.
	What is she talking about?
	Well, that apparently in our debates these days, ever since Donald Trump is president, let's just dig at him, we use the F-word all the time.
	I guess that's what she means.
	When's the last time you heard Trump use the F-word?
	Never.
	I've never heard it.
	No, I've heard him use the S word, but not the F word.
	Yeah, shithole.
	And they wanted to get us off the boards.
	By the way, did you ever hear him actually say that?
	No, but he has said we should bomb the shit out of them.
	I've heard him say that.
	Not the shithole.
	In hindsight, it seemed kind of clean.
	But now look at the language we use in public now in our debates.
	I was once again ahead of my time, right?
	Yeah, no, you were ahead of the curve.
	Ahead of the curve.
	She was ahead of the curve with the effort.
	Well, she's responsible for Trump.
	That's right.
	Did we understand at that moment?
	That was a pretty aggressive move by the Russians, too.
	That was pretty aggressive at that moment in time.
	Yeah, no, I certainly knew that they were hearing the conversation, and frankly, I thought...
	Well, did you hear what she says?
	I certainly knew they were hearing the conversation.
	Really now, Vicky?
	I was once again ahead of my time, right?
	Yeah.
	No, you were ahead of the curve.
	But, you know, did we understand at that moment?
	That was a pretty aggressive move by the Russians, too.
	That was pretty aggressive at that moment in time.
	Yeah.
	No, I certainly knew that they were hearing the conversation.
	And frankly, I thought it was a matter of transparency between us and them.
	Right, right.
	You were fine with that.
	You were fine with that.
	Midwife, a coalition which might have helped them.
	That's interesting.
	So now she's claiming she knew they were listening and she thought it would be good if they heard what she was trying to do because it would also benefit the Russians.
	That is now her story.
	Unbelievable.
	As well.
	But to release it the way they did in an effort to embarrass us, you know, perhaps get the president to fire me or whatever, that of course backfired.
	But that was only the first salvo, right?
	And then later when the State Department was hacked in 2015.
	So they really began using these asymmetric tools.
	Asymmetric tools?
	No.
	No.
	Does that mean we don't have the capability to wiretap and publish it?
	Why is that asymmetric?
	Asymmetric is, in my understanding, used more for terrorism, for jihadis who come in and they're undercut.
	Asymmetric means that the two sides have differing powers.
	One has massive power and the other one is like a sniper.
	That would be asymmetric.
	This is not even.
	It's not symmetric.
	So I don't know what she's talking about.
	The first?
	Salvo, right?
	And then later when the State Department was hacked in 2015.
	So they really began using these asymmetric tools.
	Hold on a second.
	Stop.
	If she's going to make the claim that it's asymmetric, that means the Russians probably didn't hack anything because they haven't got the power.
	When you're using that term, which I think you analyzed correctly, that means you're the weak partner.
	Yeah.
	And you're using chicken shit tactics.
	Yeah.
	But you can't do much more because you haven't really got it.
	It's like ISIS. They haven't got ships.
	They haven't got jets.
	They haven't got anything.
	They got a bunch of stolen tanks.
	And so they're making it sound like the Russians.
	The Russians have no capabilities.
	You have to use these chicken shit tactics.
	Then they didn't hack the DNC. But they did hack something else.
	And then later, when the State Department was hacked in 2015, so they really began using these asymmetric tools that they had used on their own population, that they had used in Ukraine, that they'd used in Eastern Europe.
	They began using them very aggressively on us.
	Right, so that's what was new about the incident with you, is that it was taking this playbook, arguably sort of a KGB playbook adapted to a new technological era.
	What?!
	This is baffling to me.
	And they're in agreement.
	Like, this is new?
	I don't know.
	Taking that playbook and they used it in their neighboring countries.
	Actually, you know, I should be grateful that they used a tape rather than polonium.
	Right?
	Oh, brother.
	They also didn't get your emails.
	Yeah.
	Well, we'll talk about that another time.
	Okay, interesting.
	We'll talk about your emails.
	So, needless to say, she doesn't go back to the emails.
	Nudelman just said there that she admitted someone, she would claim the Russians, hacked into her email, which we have not heard of.
	This is a huge scoop.
	Huge.
	And she's flustered for a moment.
	Yeah.
	I just have to go back.
	She's flustered.
	And then she said, well, we'll just talk about that another time.
	Taking that playbook and they'd used it in their neighboring countries.
	Actually, you know, I should be grateful that they used a tape rather than polonium, right?
	Well, that's right.
	They also, they didn't get your emails.
	Well, we'll talk about that another time.
	Okay, interesting.
	We'll talk about your emails.
	Yeah, no, and you don't because you're friends with her and she gave you the old ixnay on the email A story A. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
	Really despicable.
	So, she's back!
	Well, she's a creep.
	I'm going to show myself old by donating to Noah Gender.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on Noah Gender.
	In the morning.
	You know, I'm going to have to figure out, I have to do a little work on, with spreadsheets, because the spreadsheet that one sell that wouldn't expand, like it does on the old...
	On the...
	Whatever spreadsheet brand I was using.
	It does go...
	If you keep expanding it manually, you can see all that other stuff.
	But you can click on it and click on it.
	It doesn't get any bigger.
	This other one, this red one that comes out from Nick S. $155.55 in Palmyra, Pennsylvania.
	He has a long note.
	It's all here.
	Yeah.
	So, there's something amiss, I believe.
	Anyway, he's got something in here.
	He's got a call out.
	Yes.
	I see he calls out the following as douchebags.
	Ricky.
	Douchebag.
	The next on the list is Jason.
	Douchebag.
	And Sam.
	Douchebag.
	Yeah, douchebags.
	So, Jawa.
	Does he have anything else in there we need to know?
	Okay, we got some karma at the end.
	Sir Jawa in Saskatchewan, Canada, $123.45.
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	Hey, Mark.
	$100.
	What does he say?
	Dude, John Adam Blady, congrats for 1,000 episodes of No Agenda.
	Please keep going full bore.
	Also, I'd like to ask for some health karma.
	Well, of course.
	It's coming up, Mark.
	You bet.
	Daniel Warren in Boise, Idaho.
	He's got a little note there for me I want to check out.
	Melissa Implemance.
	Melissa Implemance.
	She's the only one that found a hidden boob on the Fort Worth, Texas.
	And I'm glad we paused on this because there's another birthday that Eric didn't put on the list.
	He's really slagging.
	Slagging?
	Yeah.
	I don't know what that means.
	Well, he's sucking.
	Where's the birthday?
	Oh, the birthday, yeah.
	I wish my handsome boyfriend, Sir Gadget Virtuoso, a very happy birthday.
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	1007.
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	A lot of you are on our subscriptions.
	They really do sustain the show, so...
	Consider taking out a subscription, dvorak.org.na.
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	Right after the nighting ceremony, we're going to talk a bit about the advertising issue online, which shows, I think, once again, that you are part of a very successful and very modern experiment.
	Ten years and still going, but I think it's still an experiment.
	Would you agree?
	I would agree 100%.
	But we're on to something, for sure.
	And it's not just the money.
	It's the entire production.
	We have thousands of producers.
	No...
	Every news organization has the sheer numbers and knowledge that our No Agenda community has.
	No one has it.
	It's just, you know, imagine that, who has a Rolodex like that in news?
	With thousands, ten thousand people, dudes named Ben.
	I mean, real skills.
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	Now we had some error corrections, and this was kind of funny.
	We had the chef donations from 1005, and the explanation is even more confusing.
	It's great, but they do come through for us.
	So it was Ali and Adam C. Banks...
	There was some confusion in last Sunday's donation segment.
	Very common for people to butcher Roble's name.
	It is Roble.
	It's Somali.
	I said Roble.
	Yeah, I think we did.
	In the executive producer credits for show 1005, please update it.
	We will double...
	Oh, I don't know.
	We will double check on our side.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	I'm not quite sure what went wrong, but...
	They do end by saying, As in clarified butter.
	Yes.
	And I think that, again, what organization has that?
	Yes, we have a chef.
	We have our official chefs.
	I can hear you.
	I can hear you going, oh shit, wait a minute.
	They're going to call me out.
	I'm being wrong.
	No.
	No, it's not going to happen.
	I have another, it's not a make good, but it's something that we need to read before we get to the end.
	Because we do have nighting today.
	Because if you notice, the peerage committee has had been hung up.
	Yes.
	A number of complaints.
	Okay.
	And I think this is resolved.
	By one of our producers, Erez.
	Producer Erez, E-R-E-Z. In a recent show, there's been a mention that someone wanted to take the name of Sir Something.
	And that it was challenged by someone else who was already knighted as Sir Something.
	And that the peerage committee was debating.
	Please debate no longer.
	And we are accepting this as a memo of understanding.
	A knight's name title is not like a protectorate.
	A land cannot belong to two nobles of the same rank, but a name or a title.
	If three guys named Ralph are being knighted, they can all be Sir Ralph.
	Same with Sir Dave, Sir Mark, Dame Jenny, Dame Mary, and the same goes to any Sir Somethings.
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	And we are accepting that as our position.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	But if you have the AOL keyword, I think you get some preference.
	It should be like that.
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	And when you get everything in, tweet it.
	I saw three this past week.
	There was a really good one from West Texas.
	Did you see that?
	Where the guy had, like, his fist with a ring and a big oil rig in the background.
	I didn't see that.
	I retweeted when I see them.
	It's on the tweeters.
	Yeah, it's very good.
	Now, you sent me this article about Newsweek, and I knew that they were going through some crap, but this really is quite extraordinary.
	Yeah.
	Tell us.
	I want you to read from it.
	Read from it.
	The publisher of Newsweek and the International Business Times has been engaging in fraudulent online traffic practices that helped it secure a major ad buy from a U.S. government agency.
	According to a new report released today by independent ad fraud researchers.
	That is the meat of the story.
	They were invaded by the Attorney General's office.
	They had a raid for their books and their computers.
	And, you know, this has now gotten down to the newsroom.
	A blame game in the newsroom, which maybe you can speak to.
	Well, now we're having...
	There was a couple of things going on with the...
	The publisher and the editor.
	And a lot of people quit.
	Because these are these insightful reporters that don't seem to understand what's going on.
	And then when they found out a little bit, they decided to report on it.
	Maybe a strange question, but could you explain the functions of the editor versus the publisher?
	The publisher sells ads.
	The editor creates content.
	Are they on equal footing?
	Depends.
	It varies from publication to publication.
	Some structures are very complicated and some structures are very simple.
	And generally speaking, they're both very powerful and they both try to keep to themselves.
	And one side sells ads and fills up the ads and pays for the editors to create content to put into the publication in a nutshell.
	And they're not supposed to intermingle because it is church and state.
	It's a Chinese wall.
	So one of the reporters, I guess, wrote up some of the hanky-panky in an article about their own paper or about Newsweek itself.
	And this got everybody bent out of shape because...
	The reporter and the editor say, well, we're just reporting based on the facts.
	And then the post is just about us.
	You're going to put us out of business, you idiots.
	And it is usually not done.
	I mean, when...
	But the tension, the tension with online publications, because this is really all about online.
	And to reiterate, we've discussed many times on this show...
	What?
	Can't make money.
	I was going to say the way it's done is you go to companies like Monopoly Inc.
	and there's other outfits out there.
	You say, okay, I want 2 million clicks this month.
	Okay, that'll cost you.
	There'll be a $5 CPM. That's cost per thousand.
	So that would be $5,000 for a million, $10,000 for $2 million, and then you turn around and you sell those clicks, those so-called views, clicks or views or whatever it is, more views, but you sell that for $7 CPM. I'm just giving you numbers.
	There's a spread in there.
	It's called arbitrage, and that's how they make money, but you still have the pressure of creating stories that get clicks.
	And that's what the publisher was then mad at the editor, because they did some bogative story.
	Which story was that?
	There seemed to be a lot of bitching and moaning going around from both sides.
	I found that, yeah, they weren't doing enough clickbait.
	Yeah, they didn't have enough clickbait, for sure.
	It wasn't enough clickbait, which is typical.
	True, true.
	And there was also, the way they were doing it was, you know, buying, they were obviously, it's never said in here, but it was obvious that they were buying clicks from click farms.
	Yes.
	Which is foreboding.
	It's against the law.
	Oh, I didn't realize it's against the law.
	I think it's against, yes, it's advertising fraud.
	Well, then all of Silicon Valley can go down the tubes.
	Everybody's doing this.
	I think you've been saying that for years.
	Yeah, sorry.
	I guess what you haven't been hearing for years is it's against the law.
	I did not realize it was actually illegal to do.
	It's fraud.
	It's just simple fraud.
	Gotcha.
	And no matter how you do it, some people use bots.
	Bots come in to click away, or the bots are trained to go onto a page from different IP addresses.
	Click on a couple of things as if they were actually there, and then go away.
	And come in again two seconds later with a different IP address, spoofing something else.
	You got to – there's ways of doing this.
	And there's people who have set up shop all over the world that do this.
	In some cases, they may be – the more advanced versions are in the Philippines.
	And I think in India where they have people there, instead of a bot, you actually have people coming in every couple seconds.
	And you can have a room of 100 people.
	They can crank up a lot of numbers.
	They go on the site.
	The Philippines is where you get that service.
	Philippines.
	That's what I said.
	And they go in there and click on different – all kinds of random stuff.
	So it's almost impossible to determine except for the fact that they're in the Philippines.
	Minor point.
	It's hard to stop that because of the bot thing.
	So it's the whole thing is really, I'd say all these online operations that are supposedly making a lot of money.
	Doing this.
	Are doing this, yes.
	Especially a lot of the video operations in particular.
	Yep, yep.
	And because nobody really has a way to perfectly monetize doing what you could do in print and on television to do that online and make money.
	It can't be done.
	I think it can be done.
	Not with this model.
	I just said I think it can be done.
	I have no idea how to do it.
	I mean, what we do is like just bypassing the model and going with a very old-fashioned model, which is to help us keep the show going by contributing to it.
	And that goes back to the dark ages.
	That's before anyone even dreamed up an advertisement.
	But there's got to be a way of doing it.
	I don't know what it is, but you'd think.
	But then again, maybe the numbers are just so low because nobody really...
	You know, I mean, YouTube...
	It's probably got the most clicks going through, and I don't see that they're not losing their ass.
	Oh, they definitely are.
	With millions and millions and millions of...
	Definitely.
	YouTube will eventually shutter.
	They're going to shutter it for uploads.
	Well, that's why they keep experimenting.
	Now they've got this TV thing they're advertising, which I'm sure is costing them a fortune to advertise.
	Well, not just to advertise.
	They have to get all the licenses.
	Yes.
	That's a big deal.
	If Google...
	Was forced to spin out their numbers, really spin them out instead of just throwing out vague numbers.
	Losing proposition.
	Which is impossible to get them to do because of the nature of their stock.
	It's all class, you know, some sort of class.
	You have no voting rights.
	You can't do anything.
	It's a dumpster.
	Shut up, slave.
	We see that YouTube has got to be just a huge sink.
	A dog.
	But there's no way of taking the New York Times...
	I mean, yeah, they charge you for this, but like people say, you know, just click on the private browser and you can get the New York Times for free.
	You don't have that limit.
	I mean, there's all the hacking going on.
	Not hacking, but yeah, hacking.
	So people are downloading movies and they're getting free content here.
	The online thing is a disaster for publishers and people that want to do media in general.
	In the old way, yes.
	If you're used to the old way, there's no new way.
	I mean, Google found a new way to make money from search.
	And that's the last new thought that anyone had.
	That's new.
	You're right.
	That's new.
	That's the only thing that's really new.
	Yeah.
	Now, the journalists are moving into a new protected class.
	You'll be happy to hear.
	Although I'm not sure you qualify, we will look through the documentation.
	There is a bill.
	H.R. 4935 may also be cited as the Journalist Protection Act.
	Whee!
	Yes.
	In general, and this is something that gets added to Chapter 7, Title 18, United States Code, This is assault against journalists.
	General, whenever in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce intentionally commits or attempts to commit, A, an act described in subsection B, I'll explain that, shall be fine under this title or in prison no more than three years.
	Or both, it says.
	Both.
	There should be some money there.
	But you can get maximum six years for creating bodily injury to a journalist.
	An act described in the subsection is an act that causes a bodily injury to an individual who, A, is a journalist, B, committed with knowledge or reason to know such individual is a journalist, and, three, committed while such journalist is taking part in news gathering or with the intention of intimidating or impeding news gathering by such journalist, And then we have the serious bodily injury to a journalist, which is the same.
	So it's really these two things.
	They define a few pieces in this, which is important.
	News gathering.
	The term news gathering means engaging in the regular gathering, preparation, collection, photographing, recording, writing, editing, reporting, or publishing concerning local, national, or international events or other matters of public interest.
	I think we do that.
	We gather news that way.
	That's all we do.
	But what is a journalist?
	Does it say?
	Yes.
	This is the legal definition now.
	Oh, we have a legal definition of something that's protected by the U.S. Constitution.
	Okay.
	I like to hear that.
	The term journalist means an individual who is an employee, independent contractor, or agent of an entity or service that disseminates news or information.
	That's us.
	So far, so good.
	By means of newspaper.
	Nonfiction book, wire service, news agency, news website, mobile application or other news or information service, whether distributed digitally or otherwise, news program, magazine or other periodical, whether in print, electronic or other format.
	And is broadcast through television, radio, multi-channel video programming distributor, or motion picture for public showing, and with the primary intent to investigate events or procure material in order to disseminate the public news or information concerning local blah blah blah blah.
	I'm sorry.
	You have to belong to an organization that disseminates their news through television broadcasts, radio broadcasts, multi-channel video programming, which is defined as a combination of those in the Communications Act of 1934, or motion picture.
	So, just, you know, you with your little podcast, you're not a journalist.
	I have other outlets.
	You're not a journalist.
	Are you on broadcast radio, multi-channel video programming, or radio broadcast?
	No.
	What about print?
	Print's covered by the First Amendment.
	I thought it said you're a news distribution company.
	Unless you're on the TV, you're not a journalist?
	Is that what you're reading to me?
	That's what it sounds like.
	What about the magazines?
	What about the newspaper?
	What about the New York Times?
	How is that not covered?
	I, you know, I'm just telling you how it's written.
	It's very unclear.
	Well, I wouldn't be up in arms if I was at the New York Times.
	Or if you were a journalist, maybe you should consider being up in arms.
	Yeah, they won't be up in arms.
	Nobody gets up in arms.
	It's about Trump.
	Blame Trump somehow, and then you get up in arms.
	Well, anyway.
	And it's always a little disappointing with the breadth of knowledge that we have, the amount of people that we have who contribute to this program, when the most emailed article is about the emotional support hamster.
	I mean, the thing is, like, people want us to go...
	I didn't even want to cover that story.
	It's so stupid.
	People want us to go a little deeper.
	I understand because I've been on the whole...
	But, you know, after the Peacock, I thought we were kind of done with laughing about it all.
	Like, okay, it's stupid.
	We know it.
	But no, it's still the number one most emailed article ever.
	A Texas State student is considering legal action after she claims Spirit Airlines told her to flush her support hamster down the toilet, and she did it.
	So kiss me and smile for me.
	I hope that you flush easily.
	Please don't try to hold on to the phone.
	Cause I'm leaving on a jet plane.
	Don't know when I'll be back again.
	Oh babe, down you go.
	Okay, so wait a minute.
	Let me get this straight.
	So we're only covering the story because somebody wrote a jingle like that.
	Fuck yeah.
	That's the no agenda show right there, my friend.
	That is how we roll, yes.
	I looked into this, I was a little irked about this whole parade thing.
	And, you know, I said, look, Trump has not said he wants this parade.
	And, you know, I did a deeper dive into exactly what's going on.
	I actually found a really good, I thought it was a good conversation on CBSN, of all things.
	Now, CBSN is, I think, is it only online?
	Yes, the online news service, yeah.
	So they bring in this douchebag from some think tank, and the whole conversation was, I mean, it was a little bit of dimension A, a lot of dimension B, but they're missing an important fact, which I'll get to after this.
	But let's just listen to these as two news hosts and then this jabroni.
	Earlier, we asked CBS News senior global affairs contributor and president of the Eurasia Group, Ian Bremmer, about what this type of message would send to the rest of the world.
	First of all, you know, Trump likes the spectacle.
	That's pretty clear.
	By the way, he has vocal fry.
	Economy is doing quite well right now.
	It's also clear to most around the Trump administration that the ability to actually really provide economically for Trump's base is pretty limited, right?
	I mean, they're not going to be doing all that much better in the next four or eight years, given the lack of inclusive growth that's happening.
	You can give them a thousand bucks, you know, sort of in a tax bonus.
	You saw the $1.50 a week, you know, Paul Ryan comment and the rest...
	But the reality is that a lot of what Trump is giving them is his refusal to be politically correct, is his going after the NFL players for taking a knee, is his border wall, I'm going to look out for people like you, and I'm going to look out for your security and your stability.
	And, you know, this is a good example of that.
	It's bread and circuses, right?
	And he wants to have rallies and he wants to have a military parade.
	And, you know, in times where people don't feel good, having a nationalist leader that rallies around the flag in a way that really divides.
	And by the way, I'd like to point out, based on his own theory, that most of the military personnel come from the states that Trump trumped up.
	So yes, of course he's playing to the base with this, if this is exactly what he's thinking.
	Us versus them, and you're a part of us, is a good feeling.
	And so I think that politically what Trump is doing is actually quite smart.
	It's kind of like the memo, right?
	I mean, you release the memo and then you delegitimize the FBI. And if you know the investigation is a problem for you, then the best way to go is to have your base just say...
	This entire process is not worthy of us in our country.
	It's fake.
	It's false.
	And I think it's all part of the same message.
	And so far, I mean, Trump won.
	I don't think there's anybody who's an American would not want to see our sailors, marines, soldiers, airmen marching down the street and us cheering for them.
	It's pretty cool to see all that hardware.
	The fanboy in me would totally dig that.
	The question is, if you're a Republican and you know it's going to cost X amount of millions of dollars, where are you going to get that money?
	I mean, the last time I think it was like $8 million, and that was quite a number of years ago.
	I mean, look, it's a lot cheaper.
	And that number keeps changing.
	What's that?
	That number.
	But it cost in 91.
	It was 8 million, it was 12 million, it was 20 million, it was 5 million.
	It's unbelievable.
	We are a wealthy country.
	I think you can find it if you need to.
	So here's a question, and I know we're sort of going long, but I thought, you know, a lot of people are going to ask, why not?
	Why not show off our hardware?
	They do do it in other countries.
	Vlad, you just said best deal.
	They do it the best thing ever.
	She said doo-doo.
	She said doo-doo.
	I know.
	They do it for the Queen's birthday.
	The French can do it.
	I mean...
	But some people are going to ask that question.
	If the North Koreans can do it, why can't we have it?
	You see how he's trying to bring it back to, because, you know, well, the French did it, the English do it, and he's like, yeah, North Koreans, we want to make sure you see evil, evil dictator.
	But that's an interesting point.
	The fact that, you know, generally, you know, in the case of Europe, they've done it for the Queen's birthday, the Brits have done it, the English.
	We don't even have a Queen's birthday.
	We don't have a queen.
	But it's not about synchronized applause or, you know, we don't have a queen.
	I understand that.
	But it is sort of a show of greatness.
	And I'm sure there are a lot of people, Trump supporters, but probably not Trump supporters, who are going to say, what's the big deal?
	We do have the money.
	Yeah, I think that the opposition, because the country is so divided right now, the easiest thing for those that hate Trump to do is to simply point out how anti-patriotic Trump is personally.
	Like, this would be a much easier thing to organize and get behind if Trump were McCain.
	I mean, a war hero.
	Do you hear what he's saying, though?
	Right.
	It's very interesting, right?
	He's saying this would be much easier if it was McCain.
	Everybody would be like, oh, sure, fantastic, let's do it.
	So, you know, it's all based on the premise that this needs to be some kind of spur of the moment.
	You know, maybe, oh, we funded the whole thing.
	The military is the best.
	Let's go show Kim Jong-un exactly what we're doing.
	General Dynamics pay for it.
	They'll do it.
	But what did Trump actually say and ask for?
	This is his conversation.
	This is the only time he's mentioned it, as far as I know.
	And from this, the Pentagon was readying for something very specific.
	I mean, what do you...
	What you've heard in the news, with your own biases, like we all have, what do you believe they're talking about when they say Trump wants a parade?
	What do you think it is supposed to be?
	I have no idea because I've already taken the position that he never asked for a military parade.
	Unless I hear him say something, like I was talking about him using the F word, unless I hear it now, I'm not buying any of it because I think they just lie to us.
	Yes.
	Well, you can't know because they lie so much.
	But here is the only thing he said.
	Which was with Macron after he saw the French parade, the military parade.
	Right, I did see this.
	Well, did you hear what he really said?
	Because I vaguely remember he thought it was cool and maybe we should do something like that.
	I was your guest at Bastille Day and it was one of the greatest parades I've ever seen.
	It was two hours on the button and it was military might and I think a tremendous thing for France and for the spirit of France.
	And people don't know what great warriors they are in France.
	But when you see that and you see all the victories, it was a tremendous thing.
	And to a large extent, because of what I witnessed, we may do something like that on July 4th in Washington down in Pennsylvania.
	That's a little different.
	July 4th, we have all kinds of military shit going on.
	Yeah.
	What's wrong with that?
	It's Trump.
	Okay.
	But it's July 4th.
	And he reiterates it.
	I don't know.
	We're going to have to try and top it.
	But we had a lot of planes going over.
	We had a lot of military might.
	And it was really a beautiful thing to see.
	They had representatives from different wars and different uniforms.
	It was really so well done.
	But I came back and one of my early calls were, I think we're going to have to start looking at that ourselves.
	So we're actually thinking about 4th of July, Pennsylvania Avenue, having...
	Where is that in the reporting?
	Could anyone please just add, Trump wants a parade on the 4th of July?
	It's lying by omission.
	No, they're implying that he just wants a parade for himself.
	Right, but did they not go check and see what he actually said, or it's just being omitted on purpose?
	I don't think it's being omitted on purpose.
	I just think it's just poor reporting.
	Oh.
	Well, Chuck Schumer likes the idea of parades, too.
	Here's an old...
	You know, the internet is a great way-back machine.
	It's embarrassing to these guys.
	I love it.
	Here, Chuck Schumer.
	After all, these men risked their lives to protect us.
	They experienced terrible trauma and tragedy along the way.
	Senator Charles Schumer is appealing to the Department of Defense for approval of a grand event up the Canyon of Heroes that would include military brass, color guards, military bands, and flyovers.
	It's still in the planning stages, but DOD officials say it's certainly not unprecedented.
	We might want to remind Chuck of that.
	No, no.
	And another one from the Wayback Machine, Trump about the stock market.
	Bah, what an idiot to take credit for the stock market.
	What a douchebag.
	You never do that, because when it goes down, what are you going to say now, huh, Trump?
	Did Obama ever do that?
	I'm sure he did.
	Two years after the worst recession most of us have ever known, the stock market has come roaring back.
	The stock market recovered, so people's 401ks and retirement accounts got replenished.
	I'm glad that corporate profits are high, and I'm glad that the stock market is booming.
	Home values are back on the rise.
	Stock markets nearly doubled.
	Home values are rising.
	The stock market has rebounded.
	The stock market is rebounding.
	A stock market that has doubled.
	The stock market has now doubled.
	Even as the stock market shatters records.
	The stock market has more than doubled since 2009.
	And since I took office, the stock market has more than doubled.
	Corporate profits are up.
	Stock market's up.
	But we did it, and the stock market doubled.
	Stock market's doing great.
	Stock market's nearly tripled.
	The stock market was down, when I first took office in the first few months I was in office, about 3,000 points lower than it is now.
	Thanks, Obama.
	There you go.
	The internet way back machine, ladies and gentlemen.
	Well, I think you kind of nailed the Trump haters there with that one.
	Are you indicating that the media is like slanted?
	I have a question for you.
	I actually have a question for the producers out there.
	Military producers.
	So this new movie, The 1517 to Paris, is about this incident that took place on the Thales from Amsterdam to Paris, where we had two American heroes, three American heroes actually, who all three boyhood friends, all military guys, they're all hanging out in Europe before they go back or they just come back for somewhere.
	And a terrorist grabs a gun and they take him out.
	They don't kill him actually, but they take him out.
	So now Clint Eastwood directs this movie, and he decides, ah, I've got a great idea.
	Why don't I, Clint Eastwood, put all of my creative reputation on the table by having the three original guys play themselves in the movie?
	I think this is pretty...
	I mean, they are the main characters.
	Yes.
	And so now...
	The terrorist.
	Right.
	And so now they are...
	If they didn't have him play his original role, that would have been better.
	Who?
	The terrorist?
	And so, for some odd reason, they were on Tucker Carlson.
	He was interviewing them, fawning over them, which leads me to believe...
	I couldn't find offhand an entertainment connection to the Fox properties, but I'm sure it's there somewhere.
	It might be Searchlight, I think, is Fox.
	Hmm.
	But the way it comes across to me, you see these three guys sitting there.
	The one in the middle is in a suit.
	He's buttoned up.
	He has the square shoulders.
	Military guy.
	The two guys on the right and the left, they're really dressed casual.
	And the way they spoke about certain things, just to lay it out, made me question somehow if they're maybe not really military people.
	We don't know much about this attack other than what happened on one car of a train.
	I mean, just think about the opportunity.
	If I was of the conspiratorial nature, you get two actors and you use one real guy, and you stage this thing, you film it, and then you release it later as a movie.
	So maybe you come back and do it again, recreate the scene, but maybe it's...
	You think the whole thing is a bunch of bullshit?
	Yes, and my issue with it is I listen to these guys.
	I've known military personnel my entire life, certainly intensely in the past 10 or 15, 20.
	Just listen to them.
	Really, the story just got more amazing.
	Not only did you do this...
	And, you know, one of the great good deeds ever, but you got a whole new career side of it.
	What was it like?
	Had any of you acted before?
	Never, never.
	Not even a school play.
	Well, then, to go from, like, zero to Hollywood film directed by Clint Eastwood, it's a lot.
	How did you do it?
	We honestly just did it how we did it the first time, really.
	That's pretty much the only advice he gave us, was just to be ourselves and do it how we did it.
	Only Clint Eastwood could pull something like this off, so when he asked us, he gave us the confidence to attempt it, so we just had to try it.
	Yeah, we just trust him so much.
	I mean, we knew going into it that he was going to do the story justice, and just having him, like Anthony said, have the confidence in us was all we needed.
	Was it hard?
	It was fun.
	I mean, it was hard at first just getting used to it, but I think we caught a rhythm with it pretty quickly, and we actually finished ahead of schedule, I believe.
	He takes the weight of shooting a big motion picture off of you.
	He just keeps it real light, and he's like, you're with your two friends.
	Just do what you did, and I'll capture the rest.
	And when Clint Eastwood says that, you've got to trust him on that.
	Yeah, and so what was it like filming the pivotal scene in the movie and in your lives on the train?
	It was honestly just a lot of fun.
	I mean, a lot of people think it would be traumatizing, but luckily we don't have PTSD. I mean, nobody died that day on the train.
	This is the part where it caught my attention.
	I don't believe there's any military person who would speak so cavalierly about PTSD. It's not like we had PTSD. Nobody died that day.
	If you're in the military, you know PTSD does not come from dying.
	I'm just shooting from the hip, John.
	I could be completely wrong.
	I do know that over 500 movies, 600 television shows all have been influenced by the Pentagon with money, with script rewrites.
	I mean, there's huge documentation now available about that.
	This did not happen in a vacuum without the Pentagon.
	Ives on the train.
	It was honestly just a lot of fun.
	I mean, a lot of people think it'd be traumatizing, but luckily we don't have PTSD. I mean, nobody died that day on the train, and I mean, we just got to hang out for like a week on the train with your two best friends and Clint Eastwood, so...
	You get to do it twice.
	That's pretty cool.
	It's more than just a headline.
	Everybody gets to see actually what happened, how messy it was, how crazy it was, and hopefully it inspires people to maybe do something in these situations.
	That's it right there.
	I'm not judging anyone.
	I haven't been in that kind of situation, but you see a lot of these things unfold and nobody does that.
	Why do you think that is?
	People are scared, which we were scared as well, too.
	I think the unique thing about our situation is we were just on a train and we had nowhere to go.
	I know all these situations are different, all these different attacks and stuff like that, but hopefully this changes the narrative a little bit and inspires people out there that the common man can do something if they find themselves in the same situation.
	Yeah, if they're brave, which you guys are, and that's always the key.
	Have any of you thought a scenario like that through before you got on the train?
	If I'm ever in this situation, here's what I'm going to do.
	Actually, yeah, we have.
	We had talked about it, I mean, numerous times beforehand.
	I mean, we kind of played war growing up together, so we'd always ask each other, like, hey, if a guy comes in this room, what are you going to do?
	And then our answers were always the same.
	I think that was the biggest contributing factor is our friendship going back so far, and we all knew we'd be on the same page if something like that happened.
	Sure.
	Yeah, but you actually did it.
	Most people just talk about it.
	You did it.
	We were just as surprised.
	You know, yeah.
	Given the opportunity, and that's really it.
	God.
	Well, I'm glad Hollywood came to memorialize this for all time.
	Thank you guys for joining us tonight.
	Congratulations.
	Thanks for having us, man.
	Yeah, thanks.
	I don't know.
	I smell something here.
	Well, I'm not going to say you're full of crap, or you're like, this is off the deep end, because there's no evidence one way or the other.
	And it does sound a little...
	Some of the comments are a little bit much.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we thought about this before it happened.
	I don't know how many guys talk about it.
	When it took place, I think we talked about it.
	We thought it was...
	There was something about...
	I tried to hunt around.
	I couldn't remember what...
	Yeah, it's not going to happen.
	This is just a promotion for something.
	Well, the military, of course, being brave, join the military.
	I mean, it's...
	Well, they have to do their marketing.
	It's, you know, it's more marketing.
	Eastwood needs to keep his movie thing going because he's going to drop dead if he doesn't keep doing movies.
	Last time I saw him, he's at the local golf tournament.
	Monterey.
	Guy's skinny.
	He must weigh 80 pounds.
	He needs to eat a cheeseburger.
	Listen to this woman, Rachel Hertz.
	Yeah.
	Sniff some vanilla.
	Sniff some glue, man.
	Some vanilla.
	Vanilla is supposed to make you eat 25% more.
	So, I don't know.
	It's an interesting theory.
	There's definitely no agenda.
	Yeah, that was my second half of the show.
	That's all I really got for you on that.
	Oh, except I do want to mention that in the UK now, big scandal, as they've uncovered, who uncovered this?
	The Daily Mail, uncovered that George Soros is backing a 400,000 We actually backed a 400,000 pound campaign against Brexit to stay in the EU. Yes, yes, this is big news.
	Yes, because that's called meddling in someone else's affairs.
	He's not British.
	No, he's not.
	You know, is it any worse than the Russians buying Facebook ads?
	No, they hacked the election, man.
	Yeah, man, they hacked Brexit, baby.
	Definitely.
	Here, play this clip.
	Facebook sued in the EU. Ah.
	Getting sued in the EU. Well, Facebook is set to come under scrutiny.
	An Austrian law graduate is spearheading a class-action case against Facebook for allegedly breaching privacy.
	It's officially filed a suit in the Vienna courtroom.
	In a closely watched case, 25,000 Facebook users are suing the social media giant for rights violations ranging from the illegal tracking of their data under the EU law to its involvement in the NSA's surveillance program that targeted millions of innocent citizens.
	27-year-old student Max Schrems has a bone to pick with Facebook over alleged privacy violations.
	His class-action lawsuit is seeking 500 euros in damages for each of the 25,000 Facebook users whose data may have been shared with government agencies or commercial interests.
	Europe is not enforcing our fundamental rights right now.
	There are almost no penalties.
	There is hardly any lawsuits ever.
	And that is the basic idea to say, you know, guys, this is a fundamental right in Europe, so a constitutional-like right.
	You have to stick to it.
	you can just ignore it.
	Facebook is trying to get the litigation tossed out on procedural grounds.
	The company insists the court in Vienna does not even have jurisdiction, and it questions whether Schrams has the right to bring the suit on behalf of thousands of others.
	The judge will rule within a few months on whether the lawsuit is admissible.
	Experts say it may become a test case for European data protection laws.
	Yeah.
	Well, that clip was from five years ago.
	Yeah.
	I was waiting for it.
	Good one.
	So, they still haven't sued him?
	What's going on?
	I don't know.
	This hasn't been brought up in the conversation since.
	It's a very odd world we live in, John.
	Well, we keep everyone honest.
	We try.
	That's for sure.
	And we will try to do that again on...
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	Ah, okay.
	Oh, that's nice.
	It will come out on Valentine's Day and say, perfect.
	Perfect.
	Yeah.
	That's a good idea.
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	Science is turning into a clique.
	A Texas State student is considering legal action after she claims Spirit Airlines told her to flush her support hamster down the toilet, and she did it.
	My bags are packed.
	I'm ready to go.
	I'm standing here inside the store.
	I hate to break your neck and say goodbye.
	Spirit Airlines, I've been taught On that hamsters fly Promotion support And if they won't let you board You've gotta die So kiss me and smile for me I hope that you blush easily Please don't try to hold on to the ball Cause
	I'm leaving on a jet plane.
	Don't know when I'll be back again.
	Oh babe, down you go.
	Please go!
	Come on!
	Just flush, please!
	Oh bugger!
	Excuse me, you done it now?
	Hell yeah.
	Jesus Christ almighty, is that a rat?

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