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	Wait, wait, stop!
	Yeah?
	Basketball moment.
	Adam Curry, John C. DeVore.
	It's Sunday, June 4th, 2017, and this is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 9 or 3, 5.
	This is no agenda.
	Bringing sanity to your meme-infested mind and broadcasting live from the darkest corners of the internet here in the capital of the Drone Star State, downtown Austin, Tayhouse, in the Cluedio.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where apparently they've added podcasting to the Peabody Awards.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Craig Blod and Buzzkill.
	In the morning.
	Well, this is an outrage.
	Okay.
	No one told me about this.
	I didn't find out about it until they actually did the awards.
	I feel I should be on the Blue Ribbon panel.
	Well, you should have been.
	What are the Peabody Awards?
	These are journalistic awards, yeah?
	No, it's kind of like a mishmash award.
	It's a quality.
	I don't even know what they are.
	It's like the Webbys for Journalists?
	No, no, no.
	This is like one of the most prestigious awards.
	And now they're going to include podcasting.
	That's such a contradiction.
	Apparently they did, and I think they even gave a podcasting award out to someone.
	What?
	Oh, man.
	That's what always happens, John.
	It would be a PBS repurposed radio show called a podcast.
	This is why Nikola Tesla died lonely in a hotel room and they burned all his papers.
	This is what happens with the true pioneers.
	Is it you expecting this to happen to you?
	They're going to burn your papers?
	They're going to burn my papers, I tell you.
	If I don't smoke them first.
	Oh, man.
	What are all these zigzags doing over here?
	Burn him!
	Zigzags?
	Burn his paper!
	Stop.
	I've got to say something here.
	I had never really understood this in the United States of America, and I think it's changed a little bit over the years.
	But in Europe, when we roll a joint, we roll it lengthwise.
	And the paper is long lengthwise.
	Here, it's like broad.
	And then you make a pregnant, like, thing.
	People in America really don't know how to roll joints.
	It's very, very pathetic.
	And they're using the paper wrong.
	Adam at curry.com.
	People know what I'm talking about.
	You always want to use the raw.
	You never want to have zigzag.
	Raw paper.
	Anyway.
	In between show days is when all the fun happens.
	And who knows what will happen?
	We're on show days.
	We get a lot of action on show days right after the show is over.
	We get action on show days.
	Now, when did the last thing happen?
	Was that on...
	When did...
	London was...
	Was that Saturday?
	Friday?
	Well, there's all kinds of stuff that's been going on.
	Yeah, I know.
	We're even late starting because there's just so much going on.
	Tons of stuff to look at, the clip, to evaluate.
	There's just a lot.
	And a lot of frivolous stuff that I didn't get to, such as Kathy Griffin and her Trump, it's Trump's fault.
	Apology.
	I wanted to pull some stuff from that because I love it when she was crying.
	It was kind of pathetic.
	I didn't feel like I wanted to pull anything.
	Yeah, so I didn't...
	Let's talk about the bombings.
	Okay.
	Let's do that.
	First of all, one, there was like...
	Bombings?
	Well, there was a bunch of noise at one of the places that sounds like bombings.
	Oh, I thought it was just drive-through people and then...
	And then stabbing.
	And then stab them, yeah.
	Yeah, there's also one event.
	They didn't know how to handle this in the mainstream media, especially the networks.
	And so they left a whole story out that would have actually kind of helped.
	But it's almost as though they're pulling back on some of these.
	There were some very odd reactions to this across the board.
	Across the board.
	And, man, I have to say, the way the politicians responded, the way the mainstream responded, you're just asking for conspiracy theories to be created.
	You really are asking for it.
	And I ask, how can this happen so close to the previous event in London?
	How does it happen?
	That was weird.
	I mean, it's almost as if they're trying to...
	Sway the election.
	But I would never suggest such a thing.
	This is the number one conspiracy theory.
	And people who I know very well go through the trouble of encrypting an email to tell me this was obviously false flag so she can win the election.
	And some of it seems to be, could be construed that way.
	Here's Jeremy Corbyn of the Labour Party who feels that action must be taken.
	Absolutely shocked and horrified at what happened.
	Looking at the pictures of people running frightened, police running in the other direction to try and help and save lives, and then our brilliant paramedics, ambulance crews and fire service crews all getting on the scene to help.
	This is a dreadful terrorist attack.
	It's taken yet more lives in this country.
	We won't be campaigning nationally during today, but we'll be resuming later on because I think it's important to give a message that democracy must prevail.
	If we allow these attacks to disrupt our democratic process, then we all lose.
	In response, as in Manchester, all communities must come together.
	Our strength is the strength of our community unity.
	That was shown in Manchester straight after the horrible event there, and I'm sure it'll be exactly the same in London.
	Yeah, okay, so, great.
	We'll stop campaigning.
	They have all kinds of rules for campaigning anyway.
	But the general message that came through really continuously, they even had a slogan which I had not previously heard.
	Let me see.
	Actually, first, here's MSNBC. Just another strange reaction.
	Everyone after the fact, here's what you hear consistently.
	Oh, the emergency services were so great.
	That's what you hear everyone saying.
	So the cleanup crew was great, but maybe you want to say, how the hell can this happen in the same area?
	Don't you have extra special systems and stuff in place?
	I would be very disappointed as a citizen.
	This is what MSNBC said.
	I found this odd.
	When you have analyzed these incidents post-facto as well as during, as you have so many times with me and others here on MSNBC and NBC News, What is the risk?
	There's certainly a risk of underreaction, but is there any risk of overreaction, of deploying too much?
	You know, as we've been watching all of this live coming into our satellite center here in New York City from London, is there ever a point where you go, well, that's too much, or you shouldn't be applying that amount of force there?
	What kind of question is that?
	Who asks that question?
	He does.
	That's crazy.
	And here's the new theme, which I heard everywhere.
	As you'd imagine, that is a frightening experience for people trying to get home right now.
	Such is the level of vigilance there.
	And goes to the point that we were talking about a little earlier as well.
	This active situation of not only securing public places in London right now, but also under that run, hide and tell protocol.
	The run, hide, and tell protocol.
	I mean, at least we have something decent here in America.
	Yeah, if you see something, say something.
	Yeah, if you see something, say something.
	But now they've got run, hide, tell.
	I mean, that's really telling people, you are a stupid slave.
	Shut up.
	Don't fight.
	Don't resist.
	Don't resist.
	And the people they were showing, I switched between Sky, BBC. All of this came to the Roku, which was great.
	RT had some interesting coverage.
	And this is from, I think this may be Sky News.
	No, it may be BBC. Man on the street.
	And again, just this attitude, which I think is antiquated.
	And I don't know if this is how they really want the British public to perceive these attacks and what their response will be.
	And I keep saying, if me having a gin and tonic with my friends, flirting with handsome men, hanging out with brilliant women is what offends these people so much, I'm going to do it more, not less.
	Because that's what makes London so great.
	That's what makes this the best city in the world.
	And we're going to go out and enjoy it more.
	And I'm more determined than ever to love the city that looks after me.
	And...
	The emergency services were just phenomenal.
	Like, they were there within seconds.
	They kept us safe.
	They swept the place.
	And then two things really struck with me.
	One, when we were leaving, the police were our eyes and ears.
	As we're trying to avoid blood or people's shoes that have fallen off or dropped wallets or whatever, they were our eyes and ears and they kept us safe.
	Was that?
	He's just mumbling something when he's dropped wallets.
	Yeah, dropped wallets.
	Shoes at full knop or dropped wallets or whatever.
	They were our eyes and ears and they kept us safe.
	But secondly, I noticed the paramedic that was looking after a woman who was sadly face down on the ground, there was a couple of them, and thought, they run at danger.
	Then they turn their back to danger to put together the life in front of them while we're running for our lives behind them.
	And I thought that...
	I don't know.
	I'd not thought about it in that way before, but they seem to be the most vulnerable at that point, and they did a remarkable thing, and I might never meet the people who made judgments that potentially saved my life last night, but I'm thankful to those people, and I hope London hugs them in lots of ways.
	Okay, go hug.
	And clearly you're saying in every way life carries on, London bounces back in the way that we've seen Manchester bounce back on.
	Democracy.
	Go vote, people.
	They hate our equality.
	Go vote.
	That'll stop it.
	I was having dinner with an Australian.
	Next time it should be with someone from Pakistan or Africa or whatever.
	That's what's so great about London.
	And small-minded, cowardly...
	Evil people should not change our way of life.
	They won't make me scared on the streets of London.
	And I just think the people of Manchester have inspired us in the last fortnight.
	And I hope the Londoners do their bit.
	And I'm confident they will step up to the plate.
	And words, coward, even the London mayor was talking about this.
	Words to describe the grief and anger that our city will be feeling today.
	I'm appalled and furious that these cowardly terrorists will deliberately target innocent Londoners and bystanders enjoying their Saturday night.
	Yeah, I don't want to pull a Bill Maher, but...
	Cowardly.
	There can be no justification for the acts of these terrorists, and I'm quite clear that we will never let them win, nor will we allow them to cower our city or Londoners.
	We will not allow them to cower our city.
	I've never heard it used that way.
	Well, you can, you know, use it as an act.
	But does that mean that everybody was cowering?
	No, he says he won't allow them to cower.
	Ever again, maybe.
	Well, here's a couple of things I want to throw in while we're discussing this.
	We don't have any background.
	I didn't even clip one.
	But there's a couple of things that have been completely overlooked, which are part of the same kind of a massive thing, but doesn't get covered in the mainstream media at all, like the Rock and Marine evacuation.
	That was fantastic!
	80,000 people!
	I've been to Rock and Marine.
	Yeah, well, here's the clip.
	Oh, hold on a second.
	I'm glad you have.
	I have one, too, but I'll listen to yours.
	But we'll start with some breaking news.
	German police have halted one of the world's biggest rock music festivals due to a terror threat.
	Now, tens of thousands of people are attending the opening of the three-day Rock on Ring Festival.
	And just a short while ago, organizers asked volunteers, excuse me, visitors, rather, to Clear the site in order to allow police to investigate.
	They said they hoped the open-air concert will continue on Saturday.
	It's being held at the famous Nürburgring racetrack south of Bonn.
	It comes less than two weeks after a suicide bomber killed 22 people at a concert in Manchester.
	There was no translation of it or a report that was usable, but the promoter, the organizer of Rock'em Ring, very important guy.
	He does U2, everybody.
	He does everybody.
	And he was so mad.
	He just was completely off his rocker about the lack of the German government doing anything about this.
	And there was also a shooting in Copenhagen.
	It was a busy little weekend.
	Well, and this morning, just this morning before the show started, a stampede in Turin, 1,000 injured.
	What was the stampede about?
	Well, apparently it was at a soccer match and somebody yelled, there's a bomb.
	Something like that.
	And everybody took off and ran down the street.
	There's a whole bunch of clips on Twitter of people just running madly down the street.
	It's so sad.
	A thousand people injured in the stampede.
	People are about ready to do anything the government tells them.
	Anything.
	That rock and ring, I could not believe.
	Evacuating 80,000 people.
	That's not trivial.
	No, that's bigger than, like, it's three times, or it's like the size of a small town.
	Really insane.
	And then to investigate.
	To investigate, what were they going to do?
	Walk around?
	I mean, what was the point?
	I don't know.
	But here's Sky News making assertions and assumptions about really what this was.
	What is quite...
	What's extraordinary and peculiar about this particular attack is it sort of falls between the lone wolf where you've got someone driving a vehicle just into a group of people and then the kind of more organized attack which we saw in Manchester where someone has actually constructed a bomb to try and kill as many people as possible.
	Here you have a rather crude attack in the sense that again it was using a vehicle and weapons but three people Acting together, trying to work as a team to do as much damage as they can.
	So, you know, there's no real, you know, connection.
	It's just lone wolves who, you know, they're kind of hooked up and, hey, let's do something together.
	I got an idea.
	Let's drive down there and knife some people.
	And what is the Prime Minister's response?
	This was my favorite piece of everything.
	We have terror, we have people being killed, events close to each other.
	This is Reuters video, it's their edit and it is edited, but I have the, this is Reuters, this is what they showed of Theresa May's speech after this attack.
	Flabbergasting.
	We cannot allow this ideology the safe space it needs to breed.
	Yet that is precisely what the internet and the big companies that provide internet-based services provide.
	We need to work with allied democratic governments to reach international agreements that regulate cyberspace to prevent the spread of extremist and terrorism planning.
	Woo!
	And we need to do everything we can at home to reduce the risks of extremism online.
	There is, to be frank, far too much tolerance of extremism in our country.
	So we need to become far more robust in identifying it and stamping it out across the public sector and across society.
	So in light of what we are learning about the changing threat, we need to review Britain's counterterrorism strategy.
	To make sure the police and security services have all the powers they need.
	And if we need to increase the length of custodial sentences for terrorism-related offenses, even apparently less serious offenses, that is what we will do.
	Since the emergence of the threat from Islamist-inspired terrorism, our country has made significant progress in disrupting plots and protecting the public.
	But it is time to say enough is enough.
	Here comes the hammer!
	Goodbye!
	Goodbye!
	This is what it's about today.
	We're going to lock down that internet.
	We cannot have this happening.
	We can't provide a safe space for jihadis.
	That's the end of Mastodon.
	I predicted it was going to be a flop.
	Noagendasocial.com.
	That's not a flop.
	It's great.
	Noagendasocial.com.
	Yeah, I'm on it more than anything else.
	You're on what?
	I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about something else.
	Yeah, that too.
	But can you believe this?
	This is her response.
	And again, she said more, but this is what Reuters edited.
	It was heavily edited.
	It wasn't even transparently edited.
	That's what was so great about it.
	This is their takeaway.
	This is the message that needs to be sent, apparently.
	Yeah, shut down the internet.
	Reuters and all the newspapers would love the internet being shut down.
	It's killing them.
	Hey, I heard the New York Times firing another hundred people, including the public editor.
	Yes, the public editor's out.
	Is that a big deal in journalism world?
	Well, no, no.
	Very few newspapers have one.
	Oh, okay.
	I mean, the Times also has, I think, unless they renamed him the public editor, but they had an omsbudsman.
	Yeah.
	And both the omsbudsman and the public editor, if they do exist at a newspaper, they're the guys who are supposed to keep the newspaper from going off the rails like the Times has.
	Yeah, so what do you do?
	You fire him.
	You eliminate the position altogether.
	Yes.
	I'm sick of this complaining.
	You're out.
	You're out of here.
	Shut up.
	All I did was my job.
	Shut up with what the customer wants.
	Jeez, don't you know any better than that?
	Oh, man.
	I don't know what to make of this, John.
	I mean, everything in my spotty sense says, wow, yeah, that's kind of coincidental.
	We know MI5 are already investigating themselves for the Manchester attack.
	What is going on?
	Why is this question not being asked?
	What is going on?
	How come we're not safe?
	Don't they have the same sophisticated stuff they have in New York City?
	Well, you're asking me?
	Yeah.
	You're our resident expert.
	It's kind of like...
	It's very strange.
	And what bothers me, I don't have a good...
	We kind of...
	At least I dropped the ball in getting a background around this because it seems as though this was overshadowed by the climate gate stuff.
	Oh, totally, totally.
	And also, in this country, we didn't hear about the Turin Stampy, we didn't hear about the Copenhagen shooting, we didn't hear about Rock and Ring.
	No.
	Rock Am Ring.
	No, Rock Am Ring.
	We haven't heard anything.
	All we hear is about, you know, Comey's coming to speak, he's going to say bad things about Trump, and Trump's going to be investigated, and the...
	Mueller is going to reach beyond.
	He's going to look for other things.
	And the global warming thing is humiliated.
	We're now not leaders anymore, which is okay.
	I like that.
	Leaders in what?
	What are they talking about?
	Whatever it is, we're not leading in it.
	Oh, you know, we could have led the way.
	We should.
	In fact, I do have this.
	We're going to switch gears, which I think we might as well.
	I think we can because I just don't have anything else.
	No, I think the clip from Theresa May.
	That says enough.
	Licensing is in your...
	We had to ponder that for a while.
	Licensing is in your future, is what that says.
	But I get, for example, here's...
	Let's start with KQED, or I'm sorry, PBS NewsHour, which is deteriorating show by show.
	It's absolutely astonishing to watch it.
	Here is Brooks and Shields again on Friday.
	They used to bring them in a lot more.
	Now they're bringing them on Friday to do the summary of the news.
	So we have these two guys...
	Shields and Brooks, I guess it's called.
	One guy's a left-winger, one guy's a right-winger, and they agree on everything.
	Yeah, it's so fine.
	Here's a couple of short bits from their bitching and moaning about climate change, how we've ruined it for everybody.
	This is Shields and Brooks, and this is the Shields slam, which...
	Yeah, shields.
	The world is a much better place because the United States leadership, and this was an example of the United States working with other nations for a common good to preserve our planet, and he just turned his back on it.
	He turned his back on it!
	Turned his back on it.
	He just turned his back on it.
	Now, you would think that if this was going to be balanced, somebody could come along and...
	And spew something that maybe was on the other side of the argument.
	But no, this is what Scheel says.
	The idea of a world order than it is, at least in the short term, about climate change.
	And the effects, I think, are ruinous.
	You can't lead the world and stick your thumb in the eye of the world.
	People, if you act extremely selfishly to other people, they'll start acting extremely selfishly to you.
	And that's about to happen.
	And so as the idea that America could lead the world and should influence the world, And should have friendship with other powerful nations in the world.
	That's an idea that took a big hit.
	Yeah, everyone really showed their true colors in this one.
	The globalists, and we get a lot of crap for calling people globalists, but what is that?
	That is exactly what it is.
	You want the president to be the leader of the free world.
	That is a very arrogant statement.
	Very arrogant.
	And your friends across the ocean...
	In Europe, they think you're an arrogant cock for saying that stuff.
	That irony escapes everybody.
	No matter what you say, they think you're an arrogant cock.
	Well, in Britain, yes.
	I have a quick little montage of some meltdowns from the news that we are pulling out of the Accord.
	On a sunny day in the Rose Garden, what could be defined and construed as a dark speech.
	This will be the day that the United States resigned as the leader of the free world.
	I have such rage and sadness.
	We just watched a dangerous little man give a very, very scary speech.
	One of the most bleak depictions of America's role in the world is environmental partners.
	So he is not helping the forgotten American.
	He is hurting them.
	Their kids will have worse asthma in the summer.
	The president who talked about putting America first has now put America last.
	Yeah, there's a lot of conflagration.
	Between climate change, greenhouse gases, and pollution.
	A lot of people...
	I think the word's conflation.
	What did I say?
	Conflaguration?
	Flatulation.
	There's a lot of flatulation.
	Listen to Pelosi.
	She flatulates.
	That we had a moral responsibility to be good stewards of God's creation, and in doing so, we must pay special attention.
	Now she's religious.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, no.
	But this is religion.
	That's the thing.
	This is what I like to say.
	Thank you for calling this.
	This is exactly what I... When I heard, I'm like, wow, you're just completely equating this to religion.
	You're drawing the analogies.
	That we had a moral responsibility to be good stewards of God's creation.
	And in doing so, we must pay special attention to the needs of the poor.
	They saw it as an environmental justice issue as well.
	Oh, environmental justice.
	Angelical community.
	Exactly.
	This was the same thing with Shields.
	How is the left, the liberals, all of a sudden, they're all talking about God.
	Yeah, because it's religion.
	How America should be the world's policemen.
	This is the stuff they bitched about forever.
	There's a couple of things, a couple of memes.
	I'll finish the Pelosi clip.
	The entire...
	This is basically sacrilegious.
	A lot of comparisons to that.
	The leaders of the free world.
	And my favorite is if we talk about alternatives.
	I have a clip later on somewhere.
	It's not natural gas anymore.
	We have a new term for it.
	Frack natural gas.
	Have you heard this?
	Nope.
	Because natural gas is a very clean source, most of it.
	But we can't have that because that is not where the money needs to flow.
	The money needs to flow towards subsidies and other countries and subsidies for them and just for, I don't know, not for you and me.
	Give them our money.
	Yes.
	And the term is now frack natural gas.
	You just got to say it in one breath.
	Frack natural gas.
	You'll start hearing it.
	And that, of course, is meant to, you know, we are so, memes make people, I'm reading a whole bunch of psychology books about memes.
	It really is how we see the world, sadly.
	Alright, let's go back to Pelosi.
	The needs of the poor.
	They saw it as an environmental justice issue as well.
	The evangelical community.
	When the Pope went to the White House, he talked about the dangers of it.
	Oh yeah, the Pope.
	We're bringing the Pope in now.
	What did she throw the word evangelical community?
	She just threw it in.
	She just dumped it in there.
	What does it mean?
	It's a bunch of people.
	Who sit around being an evangelical.
	It's probably, you know, 90% of the world, but okay.
	Dangers of air pollution.
	Air pollution.
	He was here.
	And just last week, the Pope met with President Trump and gave him a copy of his encyclical, Laudate Si', which made the case for strong, urgent action to halt the climate crisis.
	The Pope wrote, the climate is a common good belonging to all and meant for all.
	The Bible tells us that to minister to the needs of God's creation is an act of worship.
	To ignore those needs is to dishonor the God who made us.
	And that is just what we're doing by walking away from this accord.
	Now, do you think that somehow they had a meeting and the meeting went like this?
	Look.
	If we want to get these crazy-ass Republicans on our side for the 2018 elections, because that's all we care about midterm, maybe we should start talking to them, you know, about God and how God, you know, the Pope and stuff.
	I can see that meeting happening.
	I can see the meeting happening, but the problem is they don't know how to do it.
	There's not an evangelical Christian, and we probably have a few that listen to our show, that can't see through that.
	They will email me.
	Now the kicker for her.
	Question I have for Donald Trump as a mother and a grandmother of five and a grandmother of nine.
	How is he ever going to explain to his grandchildren what he did to the air they breathe, assuming they breathe air?
	What did he do?
	You're missing the best part.
	How is he ever going to explain to his grandchildren what he did to the air they breathe, assuming they breathe air?
	Assuming they breathe air?
	What?
	They're lizards?
	Who doesn't breathe air?
	And I have to assume that that is the case.
	We all do.
	Oh, okay.
	What a moron.
	I think the best...
	It didn't even have to go into an explanation, but I will say, Tucker Carlson did a good job with a guy who I've been wanting to get a clip from for a long time, the mayor of Miami, Miami Beach.
	We know what's going on in Miami.
	There's fish in the street.
	Fish.
	Hashtag fish.
	Fish everywhere.
	Fish everywhere.
	This is where the homeless should go because there's lots of food.
	And you can bathe for free.
	Fish and bathing.
	This has nothing to do with the porous Soil in Miami.
	That could have nothing to do with it.
	And it's so odd that the ocean is rising in Miami, but not exactly on the other side of Florida.
	Same height where they have a drought.
	It's very, very odd.
	But the main thing, the main question, and I cut that this was a 15 minute interview, cut it down to a couple minutes, but it's worth it.
	Because you hear the guy not being able to answer the question.
	It's always answered the same way, and he pretty much gives the same answer you hear from everybody.
	And the question is, what was this agreement going to do to lower the Earth's temperature and to retard global climate change?
	I think that is a good question.
	What was in the agreement?
	Now, you and I have attempted to read some of the agreement.
	Not all parts have been really neatly packaged, and it just seems like there's a lot of money flowing, but nowhere does it really state, well, if we do X, Y, and Z, and here's the price tag, then this is what's going to happen.
	And I appreciated that Tucker Carlson went through this with the mayor of Miami Beach incessantly and laughed in his face.
	And that needs to be done, too.
	I'm just wondering how this specific agreement, sending $3 billion a year to countries like India and China, Who don't have to lower their emissions rates is going to fix the global warming problem in Miami Beach.
	Tucker, let me tell you what's going on in Miami Beach.
	When I became mayor, we have streets that are flooding during sunny days.
	The water levels have gone up dramatically.
	We, of course, move forward to raise our roads, put in pumps, change our building codes.
	That's something that just caught my ear briefly.
	Put in palms.
	That is an erosion issue they have.
	I thought he said, did he say put in palms or put in pumps?
	I thought it was palms.
	Did he say pumps?
	Of course, move forward to raise our roads, put in pumps.
	Yeah, it may be pumps.
	You're right.
	That was pumps.
	Because there is a thing with erosion that they put in pumps.
	Oh, put in pumps.
	Okay.
	Change our building codes.
	And it's not because we're so excited to have to do that, but we have to do it.
	Stop, stop.
	Where are they going to pump it to?
	Back into the ocean so it comes back in?
	Where do you pump it to?
	I don't know.
	If you're underwater...
	If you're underwater, where do you pump the water?
	Well, we should look it up.
	When I became mayor, we have streets that are flooding during sunny days.
	The water levels have gone up dramatically.
	We, of course, move forward to raise our roads, put in pumps.
	Oh, no, I see.
	I understand what you're saying.
	Put in pumps so ladies don't get their feet wet if you're on pumps.
	That's what he's saying.
	And it's not because we're so excited to have to do that, but we have to do it for survival of our city.
	And it's not just Miami Beach.
	It's coastal cities all over the world.
	Okay, Tucker, I heard what you had to say, but I've got to tell you something.
	When the world's leading scientists are telling you this is what's going on, I mean, and some of the smartest minds in the world are telling you this is the reason why, at some point you have to listen.
	Yeah, you're actually dodging my question completely, and I'm not denying the existence of sea level rise.
	I'm merely asking a very specific policy question, because this is about policies.
	How will the terms of the Paris Agreement, specifically handing $3 billion a year to India and China, which do not have to lower their emissions in the rest of this generation, how will that help what's going on in Miami Beach, the things you just described?
	Tucker, the bottom line is, as the world is getting too hot and too warm, the oceans are rising, and that's affecting Miami Beach, and it's affecting all coastal cities.
	We must cool the globe down.
	We have to do it together, Tucker.
	I can't let you dodge it again, okay?
	Tell me how that specific agreement and the financial arrangements in it Will help the problems you're described.
	And I'm going to tell you why.
	The bottom line is rising oceans.
	Rising oceans aren't Republican and they're not Democrat.
	So what does an agreement do?
	An agreement puts the world together in one, in an alignment, and says, we have a problem.
	Let's work together and solve the problem.
	I mean, Tucker, let's just say for the slight chance, what about for the slight chance, Tucker, all the world's scientists and some of these great minds, let's just say maybe they're right.
	If they are, Maybe it's a good idea if we do something about it.
	Okay, so what you're saying is you're not bothering.
	Hold on.
	What you're saying, you're describing religious faith.
	You're saying, I don't have to bother to learn any of the details about a very specific agreement that we're all mad about today, because there are people whose names I don't know who think it's a good idea.
	And my question to you is, why wouldn't the average person say, hey, I'm open-minded, but why don't you give me some specifics and tell me more?
	Win me over.
	Don't force me to participate.
	Explain it to me.
	It's a democracy after all, right?
	Isn't it?
	No question it's a democracy.
	And you know what?
	It's an American democracy.
	And truthfully, it's a world democracy.
	And as you can imagine, we used to be the leader in that free world democracy.
	And I think, really, today, I've got to tell you.
	So, what I'm hearing...
	These people don't give a shit about the environment.
	They want to maintain the leadership of the free world in their own feeble minds.
	That seems to be the main issue.
	That's the one that's consistent.
	We need to lead the world.
	We need to be the leaders of the world.
	I don't know why they want that, but that is what is being said.
	Kerry has said, and I heard you say, it's kind of right.
	We gave up leadership.
	I thought you guys believed in science.
	Why don't you tell me why allowing China to take a pass on reducing its greenhouse emissions for years is going to reduce global warming and its effects?
	I don't understand.
	What's the answer?
	But the fact of the matter is, think about it, Tucker.
	China signed this agreement.
	Europe signed it.
	India signed it.
	Everyone's in it together to make the globe a better place to reduce these emissions.
	And, I mean, come on.
	You're talking about going through...
	Is there a single person watching this show stupid enough to be convinced by what you were saying?
	I'm open-minded.
	I want you to convince me that the Paris Agreement is a good thing.
	You know what I love to do?
	I can tell you one thing.
	Almost every mayor in America now has come together and say we're going to adhere to the protocols.
	Is that really a question?
	Other people are doing it, therefore it's a good idea.
	And we know, dude, Tucker, the terms are very clear.
	If you all come together and you reduce your greenhouse emissions and you lower the temperature of the world, that the waters will stop rising.
	That is a global agreement.
	That's not what this agreement says.
	That's not what it says.
	Okay, okay.
	Almost, almost.
	But it actually doesn't.
	And I sense I know more about it, perhaps, than you do.
	But last question.
	If that's true, if reducing emissions will prevent the seas from rising, then why not require India and China and the world's other biggest polluters to do that?
	And, Tucker, it does.
	It brings everybody together.
	But one thing I learned with the president's comments today, what he said about Pittsburgh, and it's funny because the mayor of Pittsburgh is a friend of mine who doesn't agree with this, but what's incredible, I didn't realize that Ohio and Pittsburgh doesn't get affected by climate change.
	To me, it was an interesting thing.
	I just learned it.
	You're making me more nervous than I was when this segment began.
	But, Mr.
	Mayor, I appreciate you coming on.
	It was game of you.
	What a douche.
	Okay, so the guy's a douchebag.
	And they should throw him out.
	I wonder just for a second about the rising sea levels.
	What, again, is the reason for the global warming?
	Okay.
	Why is the sea rising?
	Is that because the ice is melting?
	Is that the generally accepted?
	I guess that must be it, but I don't see that as even rising.
	Here's something I got.
	A NASA article from NASA.gov, a NASA study, October 13, 2015.
	This is one of our warmest years on record.
	I'm sure of it, because every year since we've been doing this show has been the warmest year on record.
	It's always the warmest.
	Headline.
	Mass gains of Antarctic ice sheet greater than losses.
	You see, they've only been reporting one side of the story.
	A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.
	Lies!
	Fake news!
	This is a NASA document.
	The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.
	According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 92 to 2001.
	That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.
	But still, the gain outweighs the losses.
	And this is NASA. This wasn't reported.
	Why would it be reported?
	First of all, let's start with a couple of things.
	And I want to play two clips.
	One is CBS, by the way, now that they've got rid of Scott Pelley, has kind of, I don't know what the deal is.
	Maybe he was off the rails, but they seem to have softened on Trump.
	Well, he was certainly the face of Trump hate there, so that would be a reason to go if they're changing their mission.
	Now, and they've really softened on this climate thing, at least according to the rundown that they just did.
	And when you listen to it, you realize that when you just played the Tucker Carlson and both sides of the political spectrum on this that are being debated on these cable networks is.
	is mostly just, you know, wonks, people that, you know, just follow the news so closely that they think this is a bigger deal than it is because the public doesn't seem to think so.
	In fact, when you listen to CBS report, only 2% of the American public give a crap about this.
	The White House defended the president today against a world of opposition to his decision to withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord.
	The deal, signed by nearly 200 countries, commits them to voluntarily reduce pollution linked to global warming.
	The president's chief defender heads the agency, whose mission?
	Is in its title, Environmental Protection.
	Chip Reid begins our coverage.
	The President made a very courageous decision yesterday on behalf of America.
	EPA Chief Scott Pruitt, a leading voice in convincing President Trump to get out of the Paris climate accord, today defended him against worldwide condemnation.
	We have nothing to be apologetic about as a country.
	Other top White House officials hit the airwaves, making clear the president was focused not on the environment, but on jobs.
	We're putting the American worker, the American economy first.
	Because he promised to protect American jobs, American interests, American workers.
	It's a position that appears to have limited political downside.
	A CBS News poll found that when asked what is the single most important problem for the government this year, 13% volunteered that it's the economy and jobs.
	Just 2% said the environment and global warming.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yay!
	Yeah.
	Uh-huh.
	But they're stupid.
	They're stupid people, John.
	They don't know what's best for them.
	A couple of things that are in this report that are telling.
	One, it starts off with the White House defended the president.
	Wow.
	That's what it said.
	That's what he said.
	Yeah.
	Surprise.
	He said the White House defended...
	The president is the White House.
	Yeah.
	But I think that they have shills in there and they're surprised or something like that.
	Hey, you're not supposed to agree with him.
	Hey, what do we pay you for?
	The second thing is they bring up the EPA guy without ever mentioning that he's the guy who sued the EPA and he thinks that the climate thing is a hoax.
	They didn't bring that up.
	Pelley would have brought it up.
	He would have insisted it be in the report.
	I agree.
	They didn't even mention his name, did they?
	They still use his name at the beginning, but that doesn't mean anything.
	He's always on assignment now.
	Every show.
	He's on assignment.
	Isn't that the same as fired?
	This is the guy, by the way.
	This guy right here is the guy who's the guy that's going to take over.
	Now, they also did this little trick.
	Uh-oh.
	They did this little thing where instead of doing a poll or survey, they said 13% of people volunteered Excuse me.
	I need some lozenge.
	They said 13% volunteered.
	What does that even mean?
	13% of the people volunteered that the economy is more important.
	2% volunteered.
	That means they did not ask the question.
	People just said it.
	That's what it sounds like.
	So they got it down to 2%.
	Only 2% give a crap about this whole thing, even though it's being played on cable networks like it's the end of the world.
	Well, it is, because we're no longer the leader of the free world.
	Well, there's that.
	So I found that to be interesting.
	I did balance it a little bit with Part 2, which has got some stuff in it, if you want to play that before I have a kind of killer clip.
	Sure I do.
	Former Secretary of State John Kerry negotiated the Paris Accord and said President Trump's decision was based on bad research.
	That's not a real study.
	That's an industry-based study by people who oppose climate change action.
	Stop it for a second.
	Fake news.
	There's an interesting thing here that's going to happen is that And this is done on purpose.
	There's no doubt about it.
	And there's something going on at CBS. And this is a reflection of it.
	They put Carrie...
	And in the awkward position of having defend using reverse logic, where he says, it's not a hoax.
	It's not a hoax.
	You can't prove it's a hoax.
	And he goes on in a very defensive posture.
	I find it fascinating.
	...study by people who oppose climate change action and who have been among the leaders in the whole theory of a climate hoax, which, by the way, there is not one scientific fact that supports the notion in a peer-reviewed study that it's a hoax.
	The global warming, a lot of it's a hoax.
	It's a hoax.
	Pruitt was asked repeatedly today if the president still believes that position from the campaign trail.
	Yes or no.
	Does the president believe that climate change is real and a threat?
	Does the president believe today that climate change is a hoax?
	But he refused to give a direct answer.
	So did White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer.
	Does he still believe it's a hoax?
	Could you clarify that since apparently nobody else in the White House can?
	Yeah, I have not had an opportunity to have that discussion.
	Spicer also declined to explain exactly why the president did not simply invoke U.S. power under the Paris Agreement to change the U.S. greenhouse gas emission targets to make them less onerous on American businesses.
	Why renegotiate?
	The United States has the authority to simply reduce the targets.
	Why not just do that?
	Because the president believes that it is in our country's best interest to renegotiate the deal.
	What kind of got lost in all this, in my impression, looking at the Rose Garden speech, was not a good deal, revisit the deal.
	That was my impression.
	We kind of put that in here at the end of that little last thing that Spicer said.
	Yeah.
	Bring down their numbers, which they could have done apparently.
	I didn't know that.
	And just say, we're only going to do this.
	And instead kick the whole thing out.
	I think it was one of these things where you kicked it out to actually make a point.
	And the point, I think, was made.
	That we're not interested in this anymore.
	And the public's got to start thinking differently and start hook, line, and sinker.
	The whole climate change Process, which is, you know, most of my friends are all in on it.
	They've never worked in science.
	They don't think about it clearly.
	They can't imagine it being bullcrap.
	Science.
	So we had a situation on PBS, which, I don't know if the word's gotten back, or maybe, because their client, the client, client, climate science program, Reporting has never had an anti-global warming guy on.
	Except, I think somebody pointed this out, so maybe you should one.
	So they brought this guy on, this guy Kirpin, who is the head of an operation called American Commitment.
	He's been around a long time.
	He's extremely sharp.
	What is this American Commitment outfit?
	It's just a right-wing thing.
	It's not important.
	But this guy, he obviously memorized the script and prattled it off.
	I only have – I wasn't going to do both of his – because he had him on and then some lackluster guy saying, well, we're all going to die.
	I don't know what he's talking about.
	And then he comes back on again.
	I didn't have the second part.
	I didn't want to do that because the first part was like they gave him an opening.
	Of about a minute or two, he stuffed in so much information.
	I can't wait.
	It was like, it was like, everyone was flat-footed as he went on and on and prattled on about pretty much everything you really want to know about why Trump, this is the day before Trump gave up on the climate.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	This is the clip.
	Kirpin rips climate change.
	No, if the president is going to walk away from this agreement, but it looks like he is going to.
	I know you agree with that.
	So help me understand.
	Make the best case why he should leave Paris.
	Well, I think the key point to understand is that the Paris Treaty has no discernible impact on global average temperature, and therefore the alleged climate benefits are illusory.
	This is an agreement that if every country met its obligations according to the conventional EPA model would reduce global average temperature less than two-tenths of a degree in the year 2100, But of course, these countries are mostly not meeting their obligations.
	We just heard from Germany.
	Their emissions are up in each of the last two years.
	The Philippines have already withdrawn from this agreement.
	And India, which is allowed to increase emissions under this agreement, is building too many coal plants to even meet their target.
	They're going to go well above it.
	The U.S. commitment would only avert an increase in temperature of about 15 thousandths of a degree by the year 2100.
	So there's really not much upside here, but there's tremendous downside because this agreement locks in those EPA regulations you were just talking about in the introduction, the Clean Power Plan, which increased electricity prices about 20 to 30 percent.
	That has a very negative impact on consumers across this country with no benefit to show for it.
	And it also commits the American taxpayer to pay the lion's share of the $100 billion per year green climate fund a direct wealth transfer to the rest of the world.
	And so I think the reason the rest of the world likes this deal so much is that the United States cripples itself economically with regulations, and then it pays the rest of the world for the privilege of doing so in increased foreign aid.
	To me, that's not leadership.
	Yeah, that's exactly what everybody wants.
	Lead the world towards poverty.
	I'm convinced this is what the deal is.
	That's American losership.
	Let me get Michael Oppenheimer here on this.
	A lot to unpack here, but the substantive criticism that even people who favor the Paris Agreement are is a voluntary agreement.
	There are no real binding commitments.
	Why do you think it is such a great deal that we ought to stay in it?
	The Paris Agreement isn't perfect, but it's an important first step.
	And that's why the statements of Mr.
	Kirpin are totally out of context.
	In fact, what's happening is global emissions of carbon dioxide have not increased, in fact, decreased a little over the last three years.
	For the first time while the global economy was growing because countries are moving to the new energy sources.
	It would be foolish to pull out of this agreement because, number one, it would do great harm to our relations with our allies around the world.
	And secondly, it would condemn the US, the world and future generations, our own children, to a world with an unacceptable level of climate change.
	And it's a real pity because The Paris Agreement is the first time that all countries of the world put plans on the table to reduce emissions, made commitments to reduce emissions, including China, which is the world's biggest emitter.
	They're moving forward.
	Not only are they moving forward to reduce their emissions, Yeah, they're building 1,100 new plants.
	Let's review China.
	China.
	Just so everybody remembers what happened, because it was a big deal when it happened.
	China's not doing anything until 2030.
	And what that means is that China can bring its levels up to whatever they want to bring them to, and then at 2030, they'll freeze them.
	So how is this smart?
	Yeah.
	So this whole thing is a scam.
	And I think the first guy, Kirpin, said it right.
	It's just to soak us, the American taxpayers, for $100 million that gets distributed every place but here.
	$100 billion.
	$100 billion.
	The money's not important.
	We'll just print more.
	I'm not too worried about that.
	We've already printed quite a bit.
	It just makes no sense.
	And...
	I would like to remind everyone in this economic discussion that currently, the current economics of windmill, wind power, that if you didn't have the subsidies, because they're still heavily subsidized everywhere, to this point today, they still cost more energy to make than they produce in their lifetime.
	They break.
	And go ahead and look on the Googles for broken windmill parks.
	It's quite sad to see.
	They also look really ugly when they're defunct and broken down.
	Oh, yeah, and they stay there.
	Nobody takes them down.
	No.
	Well, because it's still subsidized.
	If you take it down, you lose your money.
	You lose your subsidy.
	I'm sure of it.
	In the Netherlands, this was a big scandal 10 years ago when they started their version of the green scam.
	The people...
	So every single windmill...
	I'm talking about the big ones, the big fuckers, you know, the ones you see driving...
	Oh, they're huge.
	One blade is on a special extra-long wide-body load.
	They can't go under...
	Certain bridges.
	It's crazy how big these things are.
	Every single one of them is its own individual non-profit.
	Its own little individual entity.
	And invested in that for tax reasons is politicians, members of parliament, celebrities, other people of note, captains of industry.
	And they got all the tax deal, the tax benefits, but not the common man.
	Well, my understanding, when I was taken out to Northern Holland by Jan Aylman, who runs a software company, there's a lot of farmers in that area that have kind of given up farming because they could drop one of these windmills on their property, and then they can't live in the area because the windmills make this eerie sound.
	It makes it very difficult to sleep.
	So they've abandoned the farm and they just get a check.
	I think we've done a lot on this show over the years.
	Recently, in fact, where, what is the town outside of Austin here?
	Georgetown claims they are 100% green energy, which is just a farce.
	It is a lie.
	What are we going to do?
	Nothing.
	I mean, the face bag went nuts.
	I mean, people were just throwing expletives left and right.
	I have to stop the show for a second and ask this question.
	Yes, please stop the show.
	Why?
	What exactly is in your...
	Why do people want to believe in this so desperately?
	This is desperation.
	People are...
	Buy into this, despite whatever you want to throw at them.
	You throw climate data at them.
	You throw phony data at them.
	You try to explain how computer models work.
	It doesn't matter what you say.
	They are all in to an extreme where they go nuts, like you just said, on Facebook.
	Facebag.
	Why?
	What is it in the whole climate thing...
	Discussion that makes people so nuts.
	And the religion thing is, I think, yeah, there's that, but I'm beside myself trying to figure it out.
	I have no real understanding of the why.
	Let's presume, let's just presume for a moment, you have been inundated by memes, media memes, internet memes, all your life, since you were born.
	And, you know, the one that I saw when I was young was, you know, Mexicans on the Crazy Reefer!
	That was still out there in 64, 65.
	So you grow up with all of these different memes, and this has been pounded into people's heads starting back in the 70s when it was global cooling.
	It didn't matter which way it was.
	We were all going to die.
	It doesn't matter if it's too cold or too hot.
	And you just pump the memes, pump them, pump them, pump them, and people become genuinely afraid, fearful, and yeah, I think that rational people Who have been infected by these viruses of the mind, really believe we're going to die.
	And that is why they are reacting so fiercely.
	Now they know that we probably won't die tomorrow, so that's why they're not jumping out into the streets.
	We can change our avatar, our Twitter icon.
	That will help.
	But they're fearful.
	Absolutely terrified.
	More terrified of that than of terrorism.
	And of course, this is actually terrorism.
	The people are being terrorized.
	What is causing the phenomenon whereby you can present them with countervening information, stuff that proves that what someone else just said is bullcrap?
	Or somebody comes out of the blue and says, well, you know, I'm one of those scientists and I have the documentation that shows that this isn't right and this model is no good.
	And all that sort of thing.
	and they, if you're, for example, if you even publish that someplace, they take it down.
	They don't want to hear it.
	Or the guys, and we know who they are, we talk about these guys all the time, I think Bill Nye is one of them.
	If you even bring something like that up, you should be jailed.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yes.
	Instead you should...
	Save the world!
	That's what you should be doing.
	Saving the world.
	I can only say that I am more and more convinced that the infection that people have is very, very deep, deeply rooted, reinforced consistently, and I mean, I'm almost ready to start believing in the, this is a one big simulation thing.
	Like, yeah.
	I've thought about this possibility.
	I've thought about it being like a test.
	It has to be.
	I can't see any other reason.
	How far can we push these subjects?
	And who's not buying into the test?
	I mean, some people...
	They're going to get zapped.
	Hey, we're the ones that should be afraid.
	Yes, exactly.
	What is wrong with these two?
	Hmm.
	Let's tweak the parameters a little bit.
	Clearly there's something wrong with this no agenda talk.
	Bastards.
	We'll get them.
	That's how I imagine it.
	Yes, it's something that concerns me.
	Sure.
	And True Believers, by the way, True Believer is a good book to read from Eric Hoffer, and it explains a bit of this problem.
	It's called The True Believer, a very good book.
	A lot of True Believers listen to the No Agenda podcast, and they pretty much kind of like what we do, but they will not veer in micron.
	Despite the fact that I'm looking at mudflats that haven't changed in capacity for 100 years.
	Let me ask you another question about a rising sea.
	I know a little bit about weather and climate because I had to study to get a pilot's license.
	When you're in a high-pressure area, and I'll just take an old trick.
	We used to take a milk bottle, you put a balloon over it, you tape a straw onto it, and then it acts like a barometer.
	And when there's high-pressure area, then the balloon will start to concave into the milk bottle.
	The opening of the milk bottle, the straw will go up, showing you high barometric pressure.
	That same pressure.
	Is it not capable of pressing down on the water to spread it towards the land?
	Or am I completely insane?
	I don't think so.
	I'm not so sure.
	Because I think high and low pressure is going to bounce.
	You have isotopic lift.
	There's all kinds of things.
	Well, I mean, it's like the sponge theory, which is the one that gets me.
	Is that after the ball theory?
	No, the sponge theory is the one that the reason we haven't got any Pacific Ocean changes in the...
	Because we have too many sponges in the ocean that people discard?
	No, because Australia is acting like a giant sponge.
	Oh, Australia again.
	Damn it.
	New Aussies sponging up all of our mess.
	This won't stand.
	And the other thing that's floating around is the notion that, which, and by the way, this notion is self-contradictory based on even what you just said.
	The notion is that, well, yeah, we haven't had any real temperature changes, even though we had a lot of CO2 emissions increase, any temperature changes over the last number of 10, 20 years because the ocean has sucked up that heat.
	Of course, if the ocean is set up, the ocean would expand, thus flooding my mudflats, but that hasn't happened either.
	This whole thing is ridiculous.
	Yes.
	Yeah, to us it is.
	All you have to do, okay, this would be the test, but no one's going to do this, because I think you might be onto something about this actually being some sort of a test of the public.
	Mm-hmm.
	All you'd have to do, in fact, to make the test even more ludicrous, they took these same guys who said it was going to be global cooling and they made them all switch to global warming.
	Yes, including Holdren, who was President Obama's science advisor.
	He even switched from cooling to warming.
	Yeah, switcher.
	He's a biclimatologist.
	If you took the funding for all the papers and you changed the principles of what you're We look as though there's no climate change whatsoever.
	Not that natural either.
	Just none.
	That's what you'd end up with, paper after paper after paper, that would say exactly that.
	This is really...
	Well, hold on a second.
	Then let's do this.
	Because, obviously, two old straight white guys talking about climate.
	There's a number of, a huge, large amount of our producing audience to sit there and go, shut up!
	But, we can hypothesize on the simulation.
	So let's assume, presume, that this is a simulation, and let's see how far we can...
	Whoever's doing it, let's see how far we can push people.
	What would the next step be, seeing as we now have this...
	It looks like a setback in the simulation...
	Yeah, the simulation scenario has been upset by this idiot president as they would have.
	Yes, we would need a catastrophic event would be one way to go.
	Always fun.
	Always fun to set up.
	We know how to do it.
	If you tweak the computer model, you can pretty much...
	Really, I think, have more fun doing that.
	Yes, but when we tweak the model, what would happen to convince people that they are wrong?
	Something needs to happen to Merck, clearly.
	And it can't just be a tornado.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	That's not going to do it.
	It's not going to do it.
	No, that does not work.
	We need something really good.
	I don't know what it could be.
	I have no idea.
	Going along with your thesis, I haven't got a clue.
	Well, I think we would have to have a water event.
	A sea rising, crazy out of control.
	It worked very well with New York.
	That was a good start.
	But it wasn't violent enough.
	We need tsunami.
	We need tidal wave.
	When was the last time we had it?
	They used to call it tidal wave.
	Now it's tsunami.
	Let's get a tidal wave going.
	Well, there has to be an earthquake.
	Dig up the earthquake machine.
	Well, we know how to work.
	We know that there have been military tests done off the coast of Australia.
	This is not fabrication or something I just made up.
	With bombs, sub-water bombs, and you can start earthquakes and tsunamis and stuff like that.
	Maybe, how about Rhode Island?
	Rhode Island's had one before.
	It's 100 years now.
	At least when was the big tidal wave in Rhode Island?
	My mom was there.
	Well, you got the right guy.
	You got Sheldon Whitehouse in Rhode Island, whose bitches and moans about climate change more than any other senator.
	Good, good, good.
	He always makes the claim that they've lost their clamming, and they're inundated with water already, and the poor little state is going to go away completely, and he's trying to defend it from climate change, which is a big threat to Rhode Island, according to him.
	Well, I'm going to call Rhode Island then.
	Alright, then Rhode Island would be a good spot for this.
	Because you have an ally in Sheldon, that's for sure.
	You have the right guy leading the pack there.
	I have family living there, but it's insignificant.
	You're going to get wiped out.
	Hey, anything for science.
	Anything for the simulator.
	Like, I could stop the simulation.
	I can't stop the simulation.
	The only thing you can do is stop the simulation in your own head.
	And that's what we're here for.
	And that's why I want to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C, where the C stands for Climate is Religion, Dvorak.
	In the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	In the morning, all ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	And in the morning to everyone in the war room, noagendastream.com.
	Thanks for being there, doing what you need to do.
	Very, very good.
	And I want to thank Melvin Gibstein, also known as John Blitt, for the artwork on episode 9034.
	The title of that was Weaponized Tech.
	This was a nice piece of art.
	This was Hillary Clinton morphing from a lizard into Hillary.
	Which was not just something we like to do.
	Not something we just like to do, but it came up as a serious question from Kara Schwisher.
	About her being a lizard.
	Say that five times.
	Let's just listen to the bit.
	Do you blame, and I'm going to just use Facebook, because that's where a lot of this was done, especially around the fake news, which was either the Pope was voting for Trump, or there was one particular one I got in an argument with Facebook people about, you being a lizard that was going around.
	And the Facebook people she's referring to was, of course, Mark Zuckerberg.
	And they kept arguing about the gray area and this and that, and I remember being in a call saying, she's not a lizard!
	Thank you, Kara, thank you.
	That's actually a kind thing from Kara.
	I'm very touched.
	But do you blame...
	I'll be honest, I don't know if you're a lizard or not, but the fact of the matter is I'm guessing you're not a lizard.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Is she dead yet?
	Has she been killed?
	Has she had an unfortunate accident?
	They don't do it right away.
	Hot tub?
	Oh, okay.
	She has to go.
	This is no good.
	Anyway, noagendaartgenerator.com is where you can upload all of your art.
	We really appreciate it.
	Comicster blogger, man, for years.
	He's just been bitching and moaning, and now he's on a tear.
	We'll see what he comes up with today.
	But it was nice to see our new guy, Melvin, here.
	And it was a beautiful piece of...
	People, they go through phases.
	I will relate the same story I related.
	I'm going to stop eventually.
	But I didn't realize it, but one of the guys kind of took over the place, and he was, like, hitting week after week after week after week.
	It was unbelievable.
	It was Martin J.J. Yeah.
	And so I... And it was just, like, nailing it.
	It was unbelievable.
	And he'd be tired.
	He was showing off.
	Yeah, I quit for a while.
	These guys are another...
	And so I looked his history up, because you can do that on the art generator.
	You can click on the arts, and you can go back and see everything they've ever submitted.
	And he went for, I would say, years of submitting...
	Art.
	In other words, he never gave up.
	And then all of a sudden he got the hang of it, whatever that is.
	And then he was just pumping them out.
	And he was pumping them out because he got it.
	It was like anything else.
	It was like something happens in your brain if you do something over and over again, repetitive task.
	And the next thing you know, boom, you're really good.
	It's the light bulb moment.
	And that's why Steph Curry is so good at shooting three-point shots.
	No, it's because he's my brother from another mother.
	That's why he's so good at it.
	My mom ain't raising no food.
	Hey, wait, wait, stop!
	Basketball moment.
	Did you see Eddie Q yelling at Rihanna?
	Yes, I did.
	And then he denied it.
	He was yelling at somebody.
	I saw that clip from the right camera angle, and he was yelling at Rihanna to sit down.
	I think a lot of those guys are coked out at Apple.
	I do.
	I heard, I heard from a reliable source that the, what was it, the 4, I think, the iPhone 4, which had the glass back.
	I heard that from a reliable source.
	Oh, I know where you're going.
	I'm just going to tell you what I heard.
	In fact, it was Mr.
	Ives himself who said, oh yeah, we did this so we could rail up on the back of our phone.
	I'm just telling you what I heard is all hearsay could be completely untrue.
	Take it back.
	I take it back.
	Let's thank a few people for show 935, including the one and only Viscount Frank Agenstadt in Armandale, Victoria, Australia.
	So we have an Aussie leading the way, $558.68.
	Nice.
	Hello, Crackpot and Buzzkill.
	It's been a while since my last executive producer donation.
	Time to pony up again.
	Today's donation amounts takes me to the new title of Viscount.
	Well, he'll be Viscount.
	He's not yet.
	I would here for like to be known as the Viscount of the great city of Melbourne.
	I checked the date of my very first donation, which was way back in June of 2009.
	That's one of our first shows.
	So it made me realize I've been listening to No Agenda for more than eight years.
	In that time, I can say that the show has continued to get...
	Better and better with analysis of the M5M, I think it means MSM, behavior showing, I like M5M. It says MSM on my spreadsheet.
	I don't know what you're reading.
	Oh, mine looks like an M5. Okay, well, it's the font, it's the font.
	Yeah, sure.
	Let me wink and maybe it should clear my eyes.
	The MSM behavior, I like M5M, behavior showing the crazy upside down world we think we live in.
	It doesn't We think we live in.
	It doesn't matter what country it is.
	The media seems to have completely stopped presenting news events and mostly presents editorial views and opinions of experts with new age titles like social media commentator.
	Let's finish off with some karma and a Trump bing bing bong bong, which neatly summarizes the quality of the MSM majority.
	No, no, no.
	I'm with you.
	From now on, I've been looking for a new term.
	We just call it the M5M. I think no agenda shop should make t-shirts, mugs.
	The M5M. Yes, Haxor.
	Yes, there you go.
	Haxor we are.
	You're a loyal follower and supporter, Viscount Frank.
	Thank you very much, Viscount.
	Thank you for remembering us after eight years.
	And as requested.
	Bing, bing, bong, bong, bing, bing, bong.
	You've got karma.
	And thank you for your support, good sir.
	Chris Bede, or Bede, Bede, in Speedway, Indiana, 36117.
	Boing?
	Boing?
	Here's a little something for the show.
	In addition to hours of entertainment and all the value I get from being a listener, I'm proud to have a new No Agenda producer credit to spruce up my LinkedIn page.
	There you go.
	If that wasn't enough, I wouldn't mind some pew, pew, pew sounds.
	Ha ha.
	From that WannaCry threat map, if Adam has it, as always.
	Thanks from Chris Bede.
	Indiana.
	Indianapolis.
	I'm sure I've got some of that around here for you.
	You've got karma.
	That's the Russians attacking every pew.
	It's ridiculous.
	Every pew.
	Daniel, or I'm sorry, David Killian came in from Clinton, Illinois at $333.
	He sends, this is a check that came from a bank using, I think, payelectronic.com or his banker.
	And no note, and he didn't send an email, so he's just one of those guys who does this.
	I want to thank him.
	All right, thank you.
	He's definitely a Sir David.
	I don't think he's requested knighting.
	I could be wrong.
	Sarah Jordan in Raleigh, North Carolina is a first associate executive producer, $267.17.
	And she says, I am making this donation in my soon-to-be husband's name.
	So I guess we credit Dean Hodgkin to mark our upcoming nuptials on June 7th.
	This is the way to go.
	If you're going to get married, become an executive producer.
	I think that's the way to go.
	Yeah.
	This is in gratitude for the hundreds and hundreds of hours of sanity preserving media deconstruction you gents have provided us over the years.
	You're welcome.
	I will admit to starting as a reluctant listener, Dean would blast your show outside while doing yard work while I cringed at what the neighbors must be thinking when you would share such gems as the magical shape-shifting Jews.
	I can just imagine.
	My critical thinking skills, which had been dulled by decades of mainstream media, began to sharpen to the point where I'm now an avid and loyal listener.
	At some point, too, I smartened up enough to realize that a gem, what a gem I had in Dean.
	And after, aha, that's...
	The show brought them together.
	And after 12 and a half years of living in sin, I decided to put a ring on it.
	Please give us some happily ever after karma for our wedding on June 7th.
	We'll be joined as man and wife during a rockabilly concert by the lead singer of our favorite band, Southern Culture, on the Skids.
	Perfect!
	Send us video.
	Send us video.
	Yeah, send a video.
	Would you please also play two of Dean's favorite jingles, Boom Shakalaka and Whoop'em with the Constitution?
	Thank you for your courage.
	Sarah Jordan, soon to be Sarah Hodgkins, Raleigh, North Carolina.
	How nice.
	And what was the other one?
	Oh, Whoop'em.
	Whoop'em, right?
	Yeah, she also had...
	What was this thing?
	She said something earlier.
	I guess wedding karma.
	Yeah, okay.
	Boom shakalaka.
	Oh, that's not the one she wanted.
	Bingo boom shakalaka.
	There's so many of these.
	Here we go.
	This should kick off the series.
	Bingo boom shakalaka.
	Get out there!
	Whooping, whooping, whooping! Whooping, whooping, whooping!
	Whooping with the Constitution!
	You've got karma.
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	Good luck with them nuptials.
	Nuptials.
	Yeah, that should do okay.
	Very nice.
	What's the idea of having a good band like that?
	The last associate executive producer would be Kenneth Baer, B-E-A-R-E in Beaverton, Oregon, 22323.
	It's been a while since I've donated, so I appreciate a de-douching.
	Well, I'll give it to you right now.
	You've been de-douched.
	And some jobs karma to help keep getting by.
	Best not to read, but certainly spare the quote.
	Certainly share the quote at the end.
	As I work, okay.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	Two are the same.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	This is very odd.
	It's a very interesting little thing he's got here to say.
	He's got to record.
	Well, he tried to get some people to listen to the show, and he said, the two are not the same because of the current Fallow-centric society's oppression of women.
	Oh, anyway, I don't know.
	Unfortunately, because he's limited as what we can read, I botched it.
	Anyway, he thought it was a gen he'd like to share.
	The phallocentric society's oppression of women, I guess, is what he wanted to get across from a female who was one of those types.
	Okay.
	So we'll give him some job karma.
	You need some job karma after that, for sure.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	Oh, okay.
	I can now summarize what he's trying to get across.
	Okay.
	He asked a hypothetical, or he asked just a question, a simple question, being, you know, contrarian.
	He said, why is it okay For women or men to say he's a dick, but not she's a cunt.
	Why is that not okay?
	Why is that not okay?
	And the answer from one of the women is that the two are not the same because of the current phallocentric society's oppression of women, which I know what that person means, and I can agree with that.
	I know I shouldn't, but I do.
	From their perspective, I think the whole thing is bogus.
	Well, in the UK, they use that word freely and it does not carry the same weight.
	That's true.
	If you say bloody, it's like that's the worst thing you can say.
	People freak out.
	Very odd how...
	We're in a phallocentric society.
	What if that changed?
	I think we're in the phallocentric age.
	I think we're in the phallocentric...
	We're ending the phallocentric age.
	The end of the phallocentric age.
	That's not good.
	I do have a make good from episode 933.
	Sir Patrick of the Pugner Order had a note that did not come through on the PayPal, and he re-sent it.
	To summarize, please apply my $800 to the Scott M. Memorial Foundation.
	That's the Scott M. from Scandinavia, I believe.
	I think, yeah.
	Poor Scott.
	Who died.
	This should also take me from knighthood to baronet status, which that part I think we did.
	And he did want a couple of jingles.
	He wanted to scream, two to the head, and man overboard played twice in a row.
	Wait, but that was specifically for the people that don't donate.
	Yes, it was.
	So this is a special jingle setup for people who don't donate.
	Oh.
	Man overboard!
	Man overboard!
	And some karma.
	You've got karma.
	There you go.
	You ask, we deliver.
	That's how it works.
	We do.
	Thank you very much to our executive producer and our associate executive producer.
	No, we have, what, how many do we have two?
	How many execs did we have today?
	We had three, didn't we?
	Three.
	Three and two.
	Three and two?
	Yes, three and two.
	Thank you very much for supporting the program.
	It is our value-for-value model, which means it only works if you support us.
	Plenty of people supporting with clips.
	Love the prepackaged clips.
	That's always great.
	Artwork and, obviously, financial support.
	Everybody can afford something somewhere along the line.
	We've got a lot of great ways you can support the show.
	Remember us at Dvorak.org slash NA because we do have another show coming up on Thursday.
	Vorac.org slash N-A.
	I'll be thanking more people $50 and above in a moment, but first, go out there with the formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Hey, citizens.
	Shut up, slave.
	Shut up, slave.
	All right.
	And I should mention that I fixed a support page.
	Oh, good.
	There's a number, for some unknown reason, a bunch of links to PayPal's...
	It's convoluted system for saving buttons and posting them and then making them live.
	It's convoluted.
	It's broke, so I had to change four of those links.
	Yeah, how did it just break?
	Did they just change the API and they said, screw it?
	Something changed.
	I have no idea how it broke, but it broke, and it broke consistently.
	So I had to go back and fix that by starting over, more or less, with how those links work.
	And I did also change the little...
	The little link at the bottom that sent you to the Chinese foreign site.
	Well, there goes that fun.
	Well, you know, if anybody wants to go there, it's noagendaartgenerator.info, which was the original URL for the art generator until we got.com.
	Oh, I didn't realize that.
	Yeah, that's why.
	And then somebody grabbed it thinking it was some popular thing that would generate lots of hits.
	Yeah, I wanted to talk just briefly about algos.
	Algos.
	The algos.
	Every time I hear algo, I think of algor.
	I think of algae.
	You know, in the ocean.
	But algos.
	I am really making as much of a study of this in my life as possible.
	And I do that just with full disregard for my own safety and privacy.
	So I am putting myself out there.
	It started with the Amazon Echo.
	We did a lot on that before anyone even thought it was going to be anything.
	Now, I'm sorry to say, it's a whole product sector.
	Although everyone scoffs at me.
	So the algos.
	And I got it after the Hillary stuff on Recode about how the Trump and what was it?
	Encyclopedia Britannica.
	Who were those guys?
	I don't remember this.
	Yeah, yeah, the Bannon, they traded Bannon and Kellyanne Conway for the...
	Oh, that crazy story?
	Yeah, for the data company.
	Yeah, right, the data company, Hillary's theory that it was to join forces, they had to take Kellyanne Conway.
	Cambridge Analytica.
	Thank you, Warren.
	Cambridge Analytica.
	And they had the best data, the best algos.
	They had the bots.
	And then on that same, because I was looking at some stuff on the YouTubes, and Reed Hastings from Netflix was on.
	By the way, Reed Hastings, a very interesting guy.
	I like him.
	And I like how he looks like he's on an elevated plane.
	This guy is so rich, so successful, so happy, and also really doesn't give a crap about net neutrality.
	He freely says, hey, it doesn't bother our business model anymore, so we'll support the fight through the industry associations.
	But no, we got our own deals in place.
	We don't give a crap.
	Well, they got their little appliance.
	That's all that counts.
	Yeah.
	I have to say, I like the guy.
	And then he starts talking about...
	By the way, in the industry of people that work with him, he's looked upon as some sort of a crazy genius.
	I can see that.
	I can see that.
	He came up with some good stuff, and a lot of people...
	I enjoy it.
	And so he was telling about the algos that they use, and I'm very impressed because, yes, whenever I hit Netflix, it's usually showing me something I'm interested in seeing.
	In fact, I didn't even know this was a movie.
	Robert De Niro, the comedian, have you ever seen this?
	Yeah, of course.
	The movie with Jerry Lewis.
	No, no, not Jerry Lewis.
	Every other celebrity is in it.
	Edie Falco, Danny DeVito.
	Oh, no, I thought you meant the movie.
	I think it's called The Comedian.
	It's called The Comedian, and Robert De Niro is a comedian.
	Yeah, it has Harvey Keitel.
	And Jerry Lewis is the guy he kidnaps.
	No, no, it's a different movie about the comedian.
	Okay.
	I think it's a Netflix original.
	Oh, so it's just a bunch of comics and De Niro...
	Well, De Niro learned how to do stand-up when he made that movie with Jerry Lewis.
	So I've been watching a lot of stand-up, a lot of stand-up, and Netflix has been...
	The Algo has been feeding me more stand-up, and it seems like they...
	I mean, shit, if you can tell three jokes, Netflix will give you money to go make a...
	Everyone's living...
	From what I can tell.
	I've got to tell you, I look at this De Niro movie, I'm like, everyone made bank on this!
	Everyone!
	Hey!
	Hey!
	And Hastings freely admits $100 million for these projects.
	Hey, everybody!
	Jump on board!
	None of these a-holes!
	These guys are stupid!
	Money!
	And I think the product is genuinely good.
	So it somehow, it doesn't seem like a stretch to go, hmm, he likes comedy.
	Let's see.
	Oh, here's a movie.
	The Comedian!
	Maybe that'll work.
	But there's an algo I'm very, very concerned about.
	This new apartment that we received, which does not exist according to the address verification systems.
	It's just, it's phantom.
	It's a ghost apartment.
	Every apartment here comes with a Nest.
	And the Google Nest, if it was purchased by Google, the Nest thermostat It's supposed to have an algo and it tracks you and then it sets your house the way that they do advertising, which is to show you the product you just bought.
	What kind of heating system is in it?
	It's just a thermostat.
	No, but it turns stuff on and off.
	I mean, what kind of heating do you have?
	Is it...
	Baseboard heating?
	You've got to force the air?
	Every apartment has an HVAC unit, so we have our own contained unit, so it can turn it cold or hot.
	Okay.
	Here's the problem I have.
	And you have two different modes.
	You can just say, or three really.
	You can say heat only, cool only, or then this illustrious auto mode, which it seems to pop into.
	And auto mode will say, well, if it goes above 72 degrees, then we're going to turn the air conditioner on.
	If it goes below 68 degrees, then we'll turn the heat on.
	So that's kind of what it does, which makes no sense in Texas in the summer, but all right.
	But I'm here most of the day.
	I'm here.
	I'm prepping.
	I'm doing stuff.
	And every single day around...
	And I think maybe I did this once when we just moved in.
	I don't know why, but I turned up the heat around 11 a.m.
	Every day at 11 a.m., it goes up to 80.
	It turns on the heat to 80.
	I turn it down.
	Three minutes later, it's back up to 80 again.
	There is something seriously wrong with this.
	I would take a sledgehammer to it.
	Well, you can decouple it, which I might have to do.
	I'm very surprised.
	It's lame.
	The algo is no good.
	It takes apparently random samples.
	And this shit is happening everywhere in our lives, and we're not as aware of it as we should be.
	Yeah, you should take a sledgehammer to a lot of it.
	This can affect your money.
	This can affect your health.
	It can affect your sleep.
	And what if Google just goes on the fritz?
	You think, oh, I'm good.
	Everything's fine.
	I'm not at the office.
	I'm away from home.
	And it just does stuff.
	Well, they had an issue.
	Nest had a huge issue with their fire alarms that you could buy.
	You know, those little...
	Smoke alarms.
	And my wife bought a bunch of them for the house.
	And they would start to talk to each other, I guess.
	And then they would start going off for no apparent reason.
	And then every other one would say, well, the one's going off.
	I should go off, too.
	All the cool kids are going off.
	There's nothing going on.
	There's another way to stop it.
	She had to send them all back and get her money back.
	They were defective.
	That's great.
	Hey, I... I watched the Megyn Kelly interview at SPIEF 17.
	Russians need some help, man, with their acronyms.
	St.
	Petersburg International Economic Forum 17.
	SPIEF. What a bunch of...
	Someone needed to say in that meeting, hey, Vladimir, it doesn't flow, bro.
	Come up with something else.
	You know, before you play that, which I want to hear because I didn't watch it, they had Vladimir on some when they're doing these clips of people bitching about Trump leaving the climate accord.
	And there was a small moment where he said something in English at the end of his analysis.
	Oh, really?
	Oh.
	So I have it.
	This guy's called Putin.
	And this is the only thing he said in English that I could tell.
	But it was right at the end of his speaking in Russian about...
	He didn't think this was that big of a deal that Trump left.
	But he's a Russian.
	But he said this.
	Don't worry.
	Be happy.
	No, he did not say that.
	Yes, he did.
	Don't worry.
	Be happy.
	Somewhere Bobby McFerrin is killing himself.
	Oh no!
	Putin's using my lyric!
	This is great.
	This one is going into the archive.
	Thank you very much, John.
	I like that.
	Now, has this Megyn Kelly interview aired yet on NBC? I thought it was supposed to air today, maybe?
	Sunday?
	Sunday?
	I think.
	I'm a little confused because she's sitting on stage and the room is filled with, I don't know who, Spiefs.
	And she's asking her questions on stage and they have translators.
	And I spent a good amount of time this morning, it's one of the reasons I was late, really tightening up the translation and chopping out all of the bits that were unnecessary to make these pieces listenable and certainly in length.
	But I don't know if she did another sit-down interview.
	That's what I was expecting, a sit-down one-on-one Charlie Rose.
	Maybe there's another one.
	Maybe this is two.
	Maybe there's two of these.
	Well, I think the questions and his answers are not entirely unexpected, but some humor in there as well.
	And I have a four-parter series, so one of the few things we can do here on the No Agenda show, which you cannot get in mainstream, is we can play something in context pretty much in its entirety, not just pulling clips to shove viral memes into your mind about what you should believe.
	And we'll start with the obvious question about the Russian intervention in the U.S. elections.
	Meghan has no more Fox News background.
	She's now working for NBC. Her hair, I know she's growing it out, but she should have either weighed it or done something else.
	I find, as an introductory, here's Meghan Kelly back.
	New Meghan, new network, new vibe.
	I don't know if you've seen the do.
	No.
	Yeah, it's just, it's kind of mid-length.
	It's not, you know, it's a little ratty.
	It's not really, I don't know, it's like Dana Perino.
	When I see her with long hair also, it irks me.
	She's no longer special.
	I'm just talking, no, I'm talking from a television producer standpoint.
	Well, I don't know.
	Maybe these women don't have a clue.
	I mean, generally speaking, they want to look their best on television and makeup people are professional.
	They look great.
	That's not the point.
	I just think you look a little more special as a television persona with shorter hair.
	The pixie look.
	I mean, Guilfoyle, does she spray her hair over her boobs every morning so they just lie there on top of her mounds?
	You got to spray.
	One day she was using hairspray and then she picked up the wrong, she put the 3M adhesive and used that once and discovered it was the best.
	All right.
	Get these guys off the air.
	They're so fired.
	Here we go.
	Megan and Vlad.
	Mr.
	Putin, this week you told a French newspaper that Russia is being accused of interfering with the U.S. election by people who lost that election, who don't want to admit defeat.
	But all 17 of the United States intelligence agencies have concluded that the Russians did interfere with our election, and these are nonpartisan career professionals.
	Republicans and Democrats alike on Capitol Hill, including President Trump's supporters, and some are your defenders, who have seen the classified intelligence report, have all accepted this conclusion.
	And even private, nonpartisan security firms say the same, that Russia interfered with the U.S. election.
	Are they all wrong?
	Have you read those reports?
	Non-classified version.
	Well, an unclassified version, which is null and void.
	And who, who, who was your tailor?
	What about the pockets?
	What about the...
	So he goes straight into saying, oh, unclassified report.
	Sure, who's your tailor?
	Who did the buttons and the pockets?
	This has got to be Russian humor because the crowd was loving it.
	And the Russians are the best at this kind of humor.
	Oh, yeah, it was very good.
	Dear Taylor, what about the pockets?
	What about the buttons?
	Do you have any claims about this suit, about the bottoms?
	No, they are firmly tight, but you can't wear this suit.
	Can it happen?
	Yes, it did happen with one of our stand-up comedians, Mr. Eichen.
	And you've been telling me now about the non-classified versions.
	I read those reports.
	Even in those reports, there is no specific evidence, no facts, just assumptions, allegations, and conclusions based on the allegations, nothing more, you know?
	I love how the...
	And they switch translators, too.
	All of a sudden, you hear a different voice.
	It's very interesting.
	I love how they're actually putting intonation into it.
	They're not just translating, like, is it crazy?
	What are you thinking?
	Almost like Italian.
	Yeah, it's high-level translations.
	High-level translations.
	Nothing more.
	You know, if there is something specific, concrete, we could discuss that.
	Like in one of the entities I previously used to work for, they said we need all the evidence addresses, all the names and the surnames, provide all that to us with respect to independent sources.
	I think what he's saying is, hey, if you can't say who really did it, we can't verify that they were our guys or not or whoever it was.
	Independent sources.
	There are no independent sources in this world.
	And, you know, the recent appointments with your special services point to the fact that there are any likings, any attitudes.
	So I believe that we should...
	which is harmful.
	And I believe this is like transferring the internal political bickering of the United States beyond the borders of the country, outside, on the international stage, trying to resolve political matters with the help of the foreign policy tools and international affairs.
	And that is detrimental to international affairs and the global economy and the issues of global security and the fight against terror, which is detrimental.
	And I have just cited an example when the Washington DC did not recommend the professionals to go to an anti-terrorist event of the Russian Federation, which is nonsense.
	And these people...
	these very same people initiate and are behind those reports I believe that this should stop as soon as possible.
	We should start and resume normal cooperation.
	Well, in addition, I can tell you that worldwide there are not so many countries that have the privilege of sovereignty.
	I wouldn't like to offend anyone.
	This is good.
	So now we're into the, you know, you guys are pussies because you can't do anything, and who does he attack first?
	But what has been said by Madam Merkel is conditioned by the long-amassing grudge she's been harboring.
	Just believe me, no matter what she responds afterwards.
	I like this, calling out Merkel on her long-held grudge.
	I find that to be...
	What's the grudge?
	Eastern Bloc hates Russia.
	She was an East German.
	Long-term grudge.
	She hates it.
	Hates it.
	Well, I thought they were good buddies.
	I mean, that's what we led to believe four years ago.
	Well, you hear me calling her out, no matter what she says.
	In response, she has a grudge, and he's going to explain here the grudge is because she has no power.
	She's been harboring, just believe me, no matter what she responds afterwards, that the sovereignty is limited.
	And inside the military and political alliances, it's officially limited.
	The charters prescribe prohibitions.
	And in practice, it's even stricter and more stringent.
	Nothing is permitted but for what is allowed.
	And who allows that?
	The leadership.
	And where is the leadership?
	Far away.
	India is one of such countries.
	China may be cited as another example.
	There are some other...
	Countries?
	Not numerous, though.
	And if such attempts to guide someone, to dictate their will to someone from inside or outside the country will continue, they will be detrimental to international affairs.
	But I reiterate in closing this response, this should come to an end sooner or later.
	Oh, he's saying...
	What?
	What's going to come to an end?
	The EU? That's what I understand.
	Yeah, the EU and all these other power centers.
	But she doesn't have a grudge against Putin.
	She has a grudge against the EU system that she supports and props up.
	No, I don't think so.
	I think she has the grudge against Putin.
	There's something going on with Putin and Merkel that is...
	Why would he say this otherwise?
	I found this to be certainly noteworthy.
	Well, then I'm assuming that Kelly gets to the bottom of it.
	Oh, please.
	This type of disinformation campaign is intentionally difficult to find hardcore proof of.
	Now, this is great.
	Now, she's going to be Miss Cyber Expert.
	She's going to ask the Russian, the Ruski.
	Meanwhile, all he's thinking is...
	I tell you, Megan, the short hair was better.
	It's other factors, and what the experts say is that this couldn't have been faked, that it's not one factor, that it's a hundred factors that point to Russia.
	They say it's the forensics, it's the digital finger.
	Everything points toward Russia, John, everything.
	It's a hundred factors.
	A hundred factors.
	She's going to give you three, but there's a hundred of them.
	...that this couldn't have been faked, that it's not one factor, that it's a hundred factors that point to Russia.
	They say it's the forensics, it's the digital fingerprints, it's the IP addresses, the malware, the encryption keys, the specific pieces of code, that all of them, all of them...
	Oh, she forgot bots.
	What happened to the bots, Megan?
	...point to Russia, and none of them points to anyone other than Russia.
	Oh, you must be the worst.
	...какие отпечатления...
	What fingerprints?
	Or hooves prints?
	Or horn prints?
	Horn prints?
	Hoof prints?
	Talking about IP addresses, they can be invented.
	You know, there are very many specialists that can invent or fix it up.
	You know, a kid of yours can send it.
	A three-year-old girl that is three-year-old can perpetrate such an attack.
	This I found to be very unfriendly what he did.
	So he says correctly, what fingerprints?
	IP addresses?
	Anyone can make this.
	And then he makes it very personal by saying your three-year-old daughter could do it.
	I found that to be very creepy.
	That's not...
	I'm sure cultural differences...
	Wait, does she have a three-year-old daughter?
	She might.
	Well, if she does, then isn't this like one of those mafia threats?
	That's the way I felt it.
	Let's take a look.
	I'm going to look it up.
	If she doesn't have a three-year-old daughter, then this is just him ranting.
	Well, let's take a look.
	I don't know.
	Family life.
	Family life.
	Where's personal life?
	No, it says nothing about kids.
	Well, maybe he plans on giving her one.
	Megan, Megan, would you like a three-year-old?
	I have many three-year-olds here.
	Would you like one of my three-year-olds?
	Donald Trump liked my three-year-old.
	Such an attack.
	And they present it like this.
	They can pass it off like this.
	And these specialists can invent anything.
	And then they will blame someone else.
	These are not proofs.
	These are trying to shock responsibility.
	And we don't have the problem.
	The problem is inside the American policy.
	Here we go.
	The Trump team has turned to be more efficient during the electoral campaign.
	Sometimes I thought that, well, he overdoes, he overkills, I thought.
	This is interesting.
	This translation is pretty good, and what he's saying is, yeah, I was watching that shit, and I'm like, oh, man, you're a little over the top, D! Don't do that!
	She has two kids, one's a little girl and one's a little boy.
	I don't have the ages, but three is within the range.
	We know where your children are.
	Megan, don't worry.
	It's just a three-year-old.
	You can make another one with me.
	...has turned to be more efficient during the electoral campaign.
	Sometimes I thought that, well, he overdoes, he overkills, I thought sometimes during the campaign.
	But it turned out that he was right.
	He's been able to find approach and to reach out to those electors whom he hoped for, and they voted for him.
	And the other team, they...
	Made a mistake and they don't want to recognize this mistake right now.
	They don't want to say that they were not wise enough.
	It's easy to say it's not our fault.
	It's the Russians.
	This is great!
	He could be on Fox News right now.
	He could be a host.
	It's easy to blame the Russians.
	But you know, Hillary, you blow!
	They intervened.
	They interfered.
	It's like anti-Semitism.
	The Jews are to blame.
	This is great.
	It's like anti-Semitism.
	Just blame the Jews.
	The crowd cracked up on this one.
	And even I was taken aback for a moment and then say, well shit, you're right, it is exactly like that.
	I have Russian friends who are really not speaking anymore.
	Because if they have an accent, they don't want to talk.
	Oh, you're Russian.
	Yeah, it's the Jews.
	They intervened, they interfered.
	It's like anti-Semitism.
	The Jews are to blame.
	You're an idiot because the Jews are to blame, right?
	And you know what such moods lead to?
	They will not end up in nothing good.
	One should work and think how to rectify things.
	And you have mentioned desinformation.
	What is information?
	One of the stovepiping facts by hackers is...
	I like stovepiping facts by hackers.
	To me, that's just something that you...
	What does it mean?
	Who cares?
	If you're a hacker, you're stovepiping facts.
	Well, it's a stovepipe.
	You stovepipe the facts down into the people's brain.
	One of the leaks by hackers is that the head of Madam Clinton's electoral office was not behaving properly against, with respect to other candidates of the Democratic Party, but then when that appeared in public, She acknowledged it was true, and she handed in her resignation.
	So that was a truthful fact.
	That's Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Donna Brazile, and that was from the emails, and that happened before the alleged Russian hack.
	And who was the author of the leak?
	Doesn't it matter?
	It is important to have a look at that, consider that, apologize to people and say that we'll never ever do that again.
	But what did they do instead?
	They said it's not our blame.
	It's the Russians.
	Were it the Russians dealing with all that, trying to rush one of the candidates of the Democratic Party in prejudice of someone else?
	It was in between themselves.
	Just stop that, please.
	There you go.
	Well, now wait a minute.
	So now Megan, to follow up on that, since he seems to be steamrolling her, to follow up on that, she goes after him by making the claim and making it clear that Well, it would be logical because Hillary in 2012 went and did everything she could to submarine the Russian elections, so it would make nothing but sense that you would try to screw her over.
	So it makes some sense in that regard.
	What do you say about that, Vlad?
	And that's what she did.
	I think that is not what she said.
	Again, I'm not, for some reason, I am not on the same wavelength as this conversation.
	You didn't go to J school, perhaps.
	Did you go to J-School?
	No.
	God, no.
	Well, there you go.
	It does come up in the conversation, I believe.
	Yeah, but Megan was still kind of stuck on this, you know, on this, the Russians did it, the disinfo, disinfo, which has not really been a word we've been using.
	It's fake news.
	This was noticeable.
	On the international political stage, we don't use the term fake news, even though everyone in the world uses it.
	It's now disinfo for some reason.
	But also, Trump also thinks you did it, Vlad.
	Even President Trump has said now that he believes Russia did it.
	So it's not just people who don't want President Trump in the office.
	And the difference between the hacking and the disinformation is real.
	He's going, what is this blonde bimbo saying now?
	What is the blonde bimbo saying?
	And the difference between the hacking and the disinformation is real.
	Oh, come on.
	Once again.
	You see how they change voices all of a sudden?
	They got a different guy in who's doing...
	He's actually doing the little in-between bits.
	Where Vladimir's going, oh, come on, this again.
	And they translate it.
	I think that's new for the Russians.
	Oh, come on.
	Once again.
	...into the Democratic National Committee and hacked into Hillary Clinton's campaign emails, but that they also perpetuated a campaign of disinformation that involved putting out fake news stories through Russian-controlled entities like RT and Sputnik, and that those then were pushed by aggregators and what they're called bots.
	Whoa!
	She's taking Hillary's line.
	She's buying it hook, line, and sinker.
	This is the NBC line.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Bots.
	Bots did it.
	Those two bastions of the ratings, which is RT and Sputnik, you can look them up.
	They're really high in the ratings.
	But it doesn't matter because bots.
	Bots pushed it.
	It was the bots.
	Now we know what happened.
	Thank you.
	Finally.
	And what they're called bots on Twitter and elsewhere and specifically targeted at voters who were potentially pro-Trump.
	Voters in...
	The Rust Belt of America in Wisconsin, in Michigan, in Pennsylvania, who are potentially gettable for Trump.
	And that is the conclusion that they have reached.
	All of us, all of us should stop.
	That is not the conclusion that the intelligence services reached.
	I never heard or read any of that in any classified or unclassified report.
	That's not to anyone.
	For one thing, it makes no sense.
	Now, the only person who's propagating that is Hillary Clinton, because we heard it.
	We heard her say this.
	Poor Meghan.
	I wonder if she's always been like this.
	Maybe it was a really hard time for her at Fox.
	I guess it probably was.
	Or Trump.
	And that is the conclusion that they have reached.
	All of us, all of us should take the American mass media's role model, you know?
	Megan has been demonstrating today high class in her profession.
	Because I have just cited...
	He called her a hooker.
	I know he called her a hooker.
	High class in her profession.
	I'm sorry, I can hear it.
	I reckon mass media's role model, you know, Meghan has been demonstrating today high class in her profession.
	Because I have just cited an example that points out that there was no disinformation, no matter who was behind that leak about the Democratic Party.
	And the fact is that Director Handed in her resignation.
	Once again she says it's about disinformation.
	What kind of disinformation?
	I can't see any manifestation thereof.
	I don't know that.
	And what President Trump has been saying?
	Just show me the quote.
	He won.
	He said because of the Russian intervention.
	I don't remember him saying so.
	He finally came around to saying, I think Russia did it, and he said, I don't think he'll do it again.
	Well, you see, it seems, it's a very new voice again.
	I don't know, did they kill that first, that second guy?
	Like, nah, hey, hey, Boris, you're no good!
	Let me do a translation.
	It's a very, very serious question of world politics.
	And this is an impression or what seems to you that you're talking about.
	This is not just as simple as having an interview or writing an article in a newspaper as for the interference.
	Look at what your colleagues are doing in our country.
	They have been deep.
	This is fantastic.
	Megan.
	Look at what your colleagues are doing in our country.
	You see, that's what you're talking about.
	This is not just as simple as having an interview.
	He's turned the tables on it.
	This is something she should have brought up as the rationale for them doing the bad deeds earlier, which is the question I thought she should have asked, but she didn't.
	She's now flat-headed.
	Exactly.
	The steamroll is on top of her.
	They're very poor.
	This is a terrible interview.
	Yep.
	And bad hair.
	I mean, it's two strikes as far as I'm concerned.
	As simple as having an interviewer writing an article in a newspaper as for the interference.
	Look at what your colleagues are doing in our country.
	They have been deep down in our...
	Domestic policies, doing what they weren't enjoying themselves on a systemic basis.
	For many years, they've been unceremoniously, grossly interfering within our domestic affairs at the level of diplomatic embassies.
	This has to stop.
	So Putin is saying, shame on you for even suggesting that.
	Do you have any idea what your colleagues, Megan, so he means the press, he's not even talking about the NGOs, your colleagues, Megan, have been interfering in our crap for years with all the stuff they write, and Voice of America was set up for this.
	And we have tons of radio and television stations all over the East for this very reason.
	And he calls her out on it.
	So you'd obviously expect her to respond, but don't worry, she doesn't.
	Well, she could.
	I would say, if you didn't say that, I would have predicted, wrongly, apparently, that she would have said, well, if you're referring to operations such as the Voice of America and other outlets that our government does support, They are giving accurate reports, unlike the disinformation that your operations do.
	Yeah, good luck with that.
	Something like that.
	She totally switched topics.
	This is the last clip I have.
	And you've heard them all in order.
	This is it.
	This is the interview.
	This is not very good.
	No.
	Well, I think it's good for us to hear.
	I like the answers.
	I don't like to see someone fail, but I like seeing her fail in this case because this was her big moment to shine.
	Hair wrong, wrong questions, no follow-up, and then just, oh, sarin gas!
	We know that Assad has used chemical weapons before, and Russia entered into an agreement in 2013 to stop that.
	I mean, Russia acknowledged that in 2013 when it acknowledged to try to stop that by Assad.
	The only question is whether he launched the chemical weapons attack that happened a couple of months ago.
	And I just want to ask you, press you a little further on this, because we all saw the video of the suffering, dying children.
	That was the reason that President Trump dropped the bomb.
	Do you deny?
	Because Assad denies.
	I like that term.
	Drop the bomb.
	She's confusing things here.
	He did drop the bomb, the Moab, the mother of all bombs, on Afghanistan.
	He never dropped the bomb.
	Those weren't bombs.
	Those were cruise missiles.
	He didn't drop a bomb.
	Yeah, the ones on Syria.
	They were tomahawks.
	Tomahawks.
	Drop the bomb.
	Do you deny?
	Because Assad denies that those tapes are real.
	He's purporting to tell us not to believe our lying eyes.
	Do you believe those tapes are fake?
	First, when President Obama and I agreed to work together to destroy chemical weapons in Syria, we assumed that Syria had it, but we never recognized that Assad had used it.
	So please be more precise.
	As for these people who were killed or who suffered because of the use of weapons, including chemical weapons, this is false information.
	As of now, we are absolutely confident that this is just a provocation.
	President Assad didn't use chemical weapons.
	All of this was orchestrated in order to stage him, accuse him.
	Moreover, our intelligence services have got information that in other districts of Syria, not far from Damascus, there were plans to reproduce this scenario, and we made these plans publicly.
	Those who had been planning this action thought it better not to engage in these actions.
	I didn't hear about this.
	What he's claiming...
	Yeah, I haven't heard it either.
	This is, like, totally new to me.
	Well, he says that they made it public...
	He says he made it public that there was another scheme afoot to do the exact same thing and to blame it on the Assad regime.
	But they heard that we made it public and then for some reason they stopped.
	If I could just follow up on that though, because the bodies of the victims were autopsied at Turkey's Andara Forensic Medicine Institution.
	The autopsies were witnessed by officials from the World Health Organization and from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.
	And they concluded that the victims were attacked with sarin gas.
	This is a beautiful response he gives here.
	Are we really to believe that the whole thing was staged?
	That everybody was in on it?
	The World Health Organization...
	This is only how she can think.
	She can only...
	And this is why his answer is beautiful here in a minute.
	She can only think, well, you're so full of crap because it was sarin gas, and you're telling me that everybody, the World Health Organization, everybody was in cahoots?
	Really?
	That's what you're telling me?
	...the Forensic Medicine Institution, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons...
	The answer is very simple and you know it.
	Yes, Zarin could have been used by someone, but not by Assad.
	It could have been used by someone in order to accuse present Assad.
	So he said, hey, just because it's sarin gas doesn't mean that he did it.
	That doesn't prove anything.
	No, it doesn't.
	No, it doesn't, but it's the simplest answer.
	And because she's on her back foot, she's blown the whole thing.
	You can never get into it.
	We have to understand who is to blame.
	And now just one little zinger?
	Otherwise, if there is no true investigation, it's only going to play into the hands of those who orchestrated it.
	I'd like to ask you a question.
	Why didn't everyone go right away to inspect the airbase to the spot where chemical weapons allegedly had been used?
	Well, don't ask questions like that.
	Why didn't they want to go to see the aircraft that had been allegedly used to perform this strike?
	No, no, no, no, we just believe it.
	The answer is very simple, because they were afraid that everything, the truth, would come to light.
	What you are telling me doesn't convince me of anything.
	It just persuades me that we'd better not...
	We've got to pull our efforts together to counter real threats.
	And we know what these real threats are.
	The U.S. is very far.
	Yes, there was an explosion there.
	People suffered, which we offer our condolences.
	But we also know what terrorist is all about.
	We have seen its manifestations.
	No one should try to use terrorists to address short-term political interests.
	Ah, now, now, now he's really getting into it.
	Nobody, you, particularly, Megan, you and your country there, you should not be using terrorists because you're too pussy to fight.
	Bad things come of that.
	To use terrorists to address short-term political interests.
	Even there are attempts at that.
	Yes, there are attempts at using terrorists against, say, acid.
	Why use them?
	Because no one else would fight.
	I do not think it's worthwhile using these terrorists today, because tomorrow it's gonna cost you a lot.
	When Al-Qaeda was created in Afghanistan to fight against the Soviet Union, they didn't know that it would strike the US on 9-11.
	We've got to think about negative ramifications in the long term.
	Oh, man!
	Meg and Kelly!
	Whoa!
	You got butt slammed!
	Ho, ho, ho, ho!
	And you know that Brian Williams is sitting at home going, damn it.
	Damn it!
	They should have sent me.
	Well, I'm sure he would have done a better job.
	Anyone would have done a better job.
	The question is, what kind of a job are we going to see by Oliver Stone, who's also interviewing Putin, who's already done it, And it's going to be a Showtime special.
	And from the clips I've seen of it, CBS plugs it a lot.
	The clips I've seen of it is Putin's driving.
	He's driving his car while Oliver Stone sits in the passenger seat and drills him.
	That's great.
	Hey, look, I drive you around in my Lada.
	It's a very good car.
	Very good car.
	It coasts very well.
	Very well.
	Hey, we've got to stop doing this Russian stuff because I just got a text from Sir Gene.
	He's Russian.
	He's like, great episode today.
	Yeah, we've got to stop.
	Now they're on to us.
	FW and you don't know where there's fake news.
	news why don't you get your gitmo fix putin on the rest dressed up like a million dollar trooper trying not to look like anderson cooper come let's mix where john penester walks with kids oh i mean pizzas in his midst putin on the rest there you go everybody Putin on the wrist.
	Boom!
	Putin with comedians in cars.
	That's the podcast.
	Well, I've got a clip, although I'd like to put it off maybe until the thing.
	Mike Burrell was on...
	Oh, no.
	The CBS Hill Bot Chill.
	I think he spoke a little bit off...
	I think he didn't follow script.
	Out of turn?
	He didn't follow script right.
	Right.
	Oh, is he doing a lot of that again?
	Right, right.
	Back to right.
	Right.
	But there's a bit in here.
	This is him on Charlie Rose.
	And he's always, I think, intellectually trying to impress Charlie Rose.
	Oh, God.
	Yeah, I think you're right.
	So he says stuff right.
	He says stuff that is...
	I think there's a bit in here.
	Because I've been baffled by one thing.
	What is it that the CIA... What is it about...
	Trump, that the CIA hates so much.
	Because they run the show and he's not running it.
	He's running it.
	I mean, he's running it.
	There's that.
	There's that.
	But the CIA also, the last president they assassinated, according to just a popular belief, his popular belief, was Kennedy.
	Yeah.
	I saw a documentary on Kennedy when I was...
	It was an early documentary.
	It showed at the Pacific Film Archives within a few weeks of their opening at Cal Berkeley.
	And it was the craziest thing I've ever seen, and in fact, I couldn't even watch the whole thing because it was so bad, but now I'd like to go track it down and watch it again.
	It discussed the different mafia operations that had taken control of the highest offices, and Kennedy was part of that, and that's one of the reasons they killed him, because he was too connected with, I think, Sam Giacana, whoever it was that was offering it.
	Who was Sam Giacana?
	He was one of the heads of the families.
	And this is the connection between Frank Sinatra, Sam Giancana, Marilyn Monroe, all these, you know, these...
	It was sleazy, and it has a lot to do with the fact that Dad Kennedy, the original old man...
	Joe, the bootlegger.
	The bootlegger was always connected to the...
	He was the head of the Irish mob.
	And so there's, I think, a belief that the CIA acts a little bit like the Turkish army used to act when they would find somebody that was just going to be an Islamist.
	They'd take him out and take over the country for a while and then give the country back to an elected official.
	That's just a far-out theory.
	But there's one element in this thing that Morrell brings up that maybe explains a little bit Because you get the sense that the CIA just doesn't like this guy, whether he, you know, because they can make him, you know, kind of do what, you know, by giving him information.
	It's not like they can't control the president with good information.
	But let's listen to Morrell.
	This is Mike Morrell on Charlie Rose discussing the three things that he thinks are reasons to investigate Trump.
	In fact, that's what he says.
	Yeah.
	So before Jim Comey was fired...
	I thought there were three issues that needed to be investigated with regard to Trump Associates and the Russians.
	The first, which Jim Comey had earlier said the FBI was indeed investigating, was did any Trump Associates conspire with the Russians in their interference of our election?
	Did any of them help the Russians?
	Choose the material to be released, for example, for maximum impact.
	Help them think about the timing of releasing the material for maximum impact.
	Did anybody do that?
	Second is...
	This is great.
	I love the clandestine voice.
	The first question.
	Did anyone get the information that they should have?
	Now, just regarding that, Have you heard this?
	You've heard this, right?
	That this is one of the things they wanted to look into.
	Yeah, well, this is what Hillary keeps saying.
	This is the big deal.
	This is the big whopper.
	Is that the Trump organization told them what content to direct towards who, and they were just a mechanism.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So he's just reiterating that.
	Like a Filipino click farm, really.
	How about this one?
	Click two.
	Okay.
	How big of a cue do I have to do?
	Let's just try that again and I'll edit it all out.
	Okay, go.
	How about this one?
	Second is, did Russian organized crime launder money through the Trump Organization over an extended period of time?
	Remember, one of the president's sons, I forget which one, said, you know, Russian money is flowing in, right?
	Right.
	Right.
	And there's been some, you know, there's enough there to at least ask that question.
	If anybody in the Trump organization knew that it was Russian organized crime money, that would be a crime.
	And even if they didn't know, then the question becomes, did they do the due diligence that's required under U.S. law to know where foreign money is coming from?
	So that's an issue that needs to be investigated.
	I hope they don't do that and look at the money from China for Obama and Hillary Clinton.
	That would be horrible.
	Have you heard this?
	This is just the tax return thing, I believe.
	Like, oh, show us your taxes so we can see what Russian money...
	No, I don't think so.
	I disagree.
	I don't think this would even be on the taxes.
	It wouldn't, but that's what it's being used for.
	I think I've heard this.
	I have not heard this, that the Russian mob was money laundering through the Trump Organization for the last 10 years?
	No, not that specific, no.
	Well, that's kind of what he's implying.
	Yeah, you're right.
	It's news to me.
	And this is a thing that the CIA would know about in advance.
	I think they know what all the money...
	Because they're money launderers themselves.
	They got the drug business.
	So they'd be well-connected enough to know that this is going on.
	If it's going on, I think this is the reason that they were all bent out of shape.
	And that...
	Does that tie into the so-called pings, the DNS pings back and forth between the Russian bank server and the Trump marketing server?
	Yes.
	There's little subtleties about the Russian banks and this one Russian banker and all the rest of it seems to be, I think, what the real concern is with the CIA and Trump.
	I think they're suspicious that this was going on.
	Here's the ill logic of it, which I think is what probably maybe now or again at some point had to have them back off.
	Trump owned at least three casinos, one in Vegas and two in Atlantic City.
	That's where the money laundering takes place.
	That's where money laundering goes on.
	He can't keep the casino in Atlantic City, one of the most corrupt towns ever.
	He can't keep those things afloat.
	Yeah, well done with your Russian money laundering scheme.
	You did something wrong.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	And I think somebody's got to have some logic.
	And they say, look, if this guy's a money launderer, he had two casinos in Atlantic City and he couldn't keep them in business, which is the money laundering.
	I mean, that's just asking to be a money laundering operation because it's like all cash business.
	And they went belly up.
	And then furthermore, if he's that connected with any mob, Russian or otherwise, how does the Yakuza, and we know that from that documentary that you like to promote and I like it a lot, the hyper-normalization, that the Yakuza took Trump for $10 million.
	I say Yakuza, but...
	Whatever.
	Tomato, tomato.
	So...
	Yeah, so do you think that this is off-script and that this is going to be a new avenue that will be pursued?
	No.
	I think this complete discussion, what he brought up right here, I think is completely off script.
	I think he screwed up.
	Because I have not heard this.
	And then he throws in the fact that one of the kids goes, money flowing from the Russians!
	I agree.
	I think this is completely, at least to me, because I'm always looking for why, why, why?
	Why does the CIA hate this guy so much?
	Well, here's a question for you.
	Why don't they just do what they did the last time?
	What, shoot him?
	Yeah!
	No, they can't do that.
	Because Trump set himself up to be shot.
	I think he was doing the right thing when he was complaining about the intelligence community being all against him.
	And everybody in the country, the studies have been done, and most Americans believe that the CIA had something to do with the Kennedy assassination.
	I always liked that George Bush was then in the CIA, and he is the only person that I know of who cannot remember where he was on the day.
	George H.W. Yeah, H.W. And he cannot remember where he was on the day that Kennedy was assassinated.
	Yeah, and he was in Dallas.
	He was in Dallas.
	Nothing to see here.
	Nothing to see.
	Don't look over here.
	Nothing to see here.
	Ooh, look at that.
	Yeah, that's a good one to look up.
	So, meanwhile, yeah, you can find it.
	And meanwhile, you know, so I don't think they could do that because it would be too obvious and it would really, you know, the country was already, you know, pinning their hopes on Trump being, you know, a savior for the working class because the Democrats sure aren't.
	And so it couldn't be done.
	I mean, you could maybe...
	Make him gain too much weight and have a heart attack or something, which he's kind of in line for.
	But they decided not to do it for whatever reason.
	Maybe they...
	I don't know.
	It explains at least one thing to me.
	What was the deal with these guys?
	Well, how about this for size?
	They, too, did not expect him to win.
	And the transition came in with a force.
	How about that?
	Maybe they were all just as convinced.
	And Hillary probably went, yeah, I got it covered!
	I believe that's probably true.
	I don't believe that the CIA or the intelligence community expected Trump to win.
	They're all located in the D.C. area.
	They're all subject to the same mind control of the D.C. media.
	And there was no way that Trump was going to win.
	So they wouldn't have planned for it.
	I mean, but once he got in, they really turned on him fast.
	And I think this is the reason.
	They knew about this money laundering or the fact that he was connected to the Russian mob.
	How can you be a real estate developer in New York City and not have mob connections?
	It doesn't mean it's a negative thing.
	No, it's how stuff works.
	But I think they get very suspicious about this Russian mob stuff.
	And that, oh, okay, there's another reason not to, well, I don't know.
	JFK had his mob connections.
	No, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	You have another clip, though.
	I see that.
	Yeah, he does have a third reason, and then it continues with a new fourth reason.
	And it's just kind of interesting, because you have just morale on script.
	With his right, right, right.
	Which I think, by the way, is a tell that he's on script.
	Yeah.
	It needs to be investigated, I hope.
	The third thing that needs to be investigated is, is there anybody in the Trump administration, particularly with access to classified information, who has an inappropriate relationship with Russian intelligence?
	Wow, that was not only a script, he rattled that off in a second.
	Yep.
	Perfect.
	The third thing that needs to be investigated is, is there anybody in the Trump administration, particularly with access to classified information, who has an inappropriate relationship with Russian intelligence?
	Ben, is he reading that off the prompter?
	You think, but no.
	Damn.
	So I thought those were the three things that needed to be looked at before Jim Comey was fired.
	Now that he's fired, and now that we've been through all of this, Charlie, I think there's a fourth question, which is, did the President of the United States obstruct justice in asking for Jim Comey's reportedly asking for his loyalty?
	Listen to that reportedly, reportedly.
	What is he worried about?
	Is he worried about getting caught with his pants down?
	He's now changing.
	I didn't keep the whole interview, but what starts to happen, he makes it very clear that what's being fed to the public is bullcrap.
	Justice in asking for Jim Comey's, reportedly, asking for his loyalty.
	Yeah.
	Asking him to let the Michael Flynn investigation go and then firing him.
	So now there's a fourth issue, I think.
	So, with regard to Jared Kushner, and meeting with the Russian ambassador, talking about an alternative channel.
	Yeah, and I think this is a great microcosm of the bigger issue.
	So, the first thing I'd say, Charlie, is that I look at this as an intelligence analyst would look at an issue.
	And when I do that, the first thing I say is, wow, there's a big caveat here.
	And the big caveat here is that the facts that are in the public domain may not turn out to be accurate.
	The real facts may be somewhat different than the facts in the public domain.
	Why do I say that?
	Because you've experienced it.
	How do we know this Jared Kushner thing?
	How do we know this story, right?
	Right.
	Well, what we reportedly have is we have...
	We have Russians talking to each other about the meeting, and we have the U.S. collecting that intelligence of the Russians talking to each other about the meeting.
	Then we have former officials and current officials leaking that to reporters.
	And we have the reporters then writing stories based on those leaks, not having seen the intelligence documents, but having talked to people who have leaked them.
	And who read from them.
	And who read from them.
	That's not a great sourcing chain, right?
	Am I an analyst looking at that?
	I'm not going to put a high level of credibility in those facts, just because that's where she changed.
	So you were saying about Jared Kushner meeting with the Russian ambassador?
	Just be careful here.
	Be careful here.
	Be careful here of the facts.
	That's the first point.
	Tell me about the sexuality.
	It's in your DNA. He sounds kind of sexy, our Mike Morrell there.
	Yeah, that's a good one, John.
	He totally, totally backed off on that.
	Well, we've got to take a break.
	He's a spokeswoman, so we have to say whatever he's doing, he's the guy that's going to tell us what's going on.
	So just on that leaker bit, since it fits into it before we take a break, a couple shows ago, maybe was it last Thursday or Sunday, we had Roger Stone calling out the so-called leaker within the White House.
	Trump White House aide Dina Habib Powell, best friends with Huma Abedin and Webb Hubble's daughter Chelsea Clinton, you're the leaker.
	Ha ha ha.
	Isn't there a show called You're the Mole?
	Does it sound a bit like he's on that show?
	You're the Mole!
	There is a woman who's been in the alternative conspiratorial circles for quite a while now, Catherine Austin Fitz.
	You ever heard of her?
	I'm sure someone must have sang a YouTube video at some point.
	She was a big Wall Street insider at Dylan Reed& Co.
	She was also the Assistant Secretary of Housing for She's a commissioner to the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development for the Bush administration, president of Hamilton Securities.
	So she's been around.
	And she went kind of rogue, and she started coming out saying it's all bullcrap, how the money works.
	She's typically not very interesting to listen to.
	I think, yeah, I think I've seen this.
	You must have.
	You must have.
	I have, I have, I have.
	And she runs an outfit now called Solari.
	It's kind of like God, we like God productions or whatever, you know, very sketchy.
	But she does have some background.
	What I liked here, this was on a podcast, the Dark Journalist podcast.
	Sorry.
	Someone's got to watch this stuff.
	And she explains Dina Habib Powell.
	And I thought that was a little bit we wanted to listen to about this person, who she is, where she came from, who she's friends with, and what change that brought her close.
	I don't know if you know the history of Dina Powell.
	She's a piece of work.
	So her family is Egyptian.
	Do you know who she sounds like right here?
	Play it again and I can tell you because she does sound like somebody.
	I know who the somebody is.
	I don't know if you know the history of Dina Powell.
	She's a piece of work.
	Oh man, it's not Susan Rice.
	No, it's someone you personally know.
	Okay, tell me.
	Mimi, this is your wife.
	No.
	Yes, she says this.
	Listen.
	I don't know if you know the history of Dina Powell.
	She's a piece of work.
	She's a piece of work.
	It's one of your wife's key phrases.
	She sounds like Mimi.
	She doesn't sound like Mimi.
	Okay.
	She sounds like somebody I know, but it's not Mimi.
	Because Mimi doesn't talk that fast, for one thing.
	Before you play the rest of your clip.
	Let's call Mimi.
	Let's call Mimi.
	Don't call me.
	Since you brought this up, who does this woman sounds like, the clip sounds like?
	Who is this?
	What are you going to do with that diploma that you receive tomorrow?
	Elizabeth Warren.
	I knew you'd say that.
	Don't tell me it's Chelsea.
	Sally Yates.
	Huh.
	Good one.
	I have heard every time I hear Sally Yates, I think, that's Elizabeth Warren.
	What are you going to do with that diploma that you receive tomorrow?
	Tomorrow.
	You know, it's all in the cadence.
	And you're the one that brought this up about the milieu.
	And I'm going to ask you this before we...
	We'll get back to Catherine Fitz in a moment.
	When Comey testifies...
	Comey, I'm sorry.
	I heard the new pronunciation.
	I like it.
	Comey.
	Comey.
	Like, what, now all of a sudden he's French?
	So when James Comey testifies on Thursday, do you think he will use the lordy-lordy thing again?
	Because I have not found out what milieu that is used in.
	Other than true African-American blacks who will say it properly.
	I don't know either.
	He said it, and you're right.
	I think that was a milieu...
	But I don't know what milieu that is, but just to remind people about the cadence thing, when you're in different milieus, you can be almost identified.
	Yeah, by your cadence.
	And the best milieu for that is the gay milieu.
	Gay milieu or the surfer milieu, but gay milieu is totally.
	Yeah, man.
	Sirfarmigus, stoner milieu, there's a number of them.
	And you eventually develop the cadence in that group.
	It's like sparrows.
	Apparently, sparrows have been studied.
	It's true.
	Sparrows have been studied, and every little sparrow group you come across has their own cadence and their own milieu, and they can identify each other as being in that clique, sparrow clique.
	And if you take a Berkeley sparrow...
	And you take him to some place like in Mendocino and you drop him off, they'll kill him.
	Wow.
	Don't do that.
	So this is a big deal and that's why I thought Sally Yates and Elizabeth Warren were so interesting because they're from some milieu that is some part of Georgia but it's big enough and it's women and there's other people that sound like that.
	They have that same kind of Well, I know that Jay is listening, and she'll let you know if she thought it was a mom or not.
	I don't know if you know the history of Dina Powell.
	She's a piece of work.
	So her family is Egyptian, came to this country, but she speaks Arabic.
	Apparently she was working, and I'm just describing, what I'm telling you is from a description she gave at a conference of her history.
	So this is based on Dina Powell's world.
	So she is in the White House at 9-11 and speaks Arabic.
	So she said she's one of 25 people who, with an Arabic background and speak Arabic, who have classification when 9-11 hits.
	So she goes to work for Condoleezza Rice, helping to engineer the seven Arabic countries in five years plan that kills over a million Arabs.
	So then she goes to New York to work at Goldman Sachs.
	You know, she and her husband get plum jobs in New York and are able to buy a $3.3 million condo.
	Talk about being grateful for engineering the, you know...
	The genocide of a million Arabs.
	So the boys were very grateful.
	She goes to Goldman Sachs.
	And her job is socially responsible initiatives.
	And she puts together or leads an initiative of, it's called 10,000 Women.
	And during the bailouts, when you have people getting thrown out of their home and the country collapsing, you go into Goldman Sachs' website and on the homepage, here's a big picture of Of a big African woman with African dress smiling and it says 10,000 women initiatives.
	Unbelievable.
	She engineers socially responsible initiatives for women that help you basically foreclose on America and throw millions of women and children out of their homes, you know, but Goldman's looking good.
	And then she goes to run the foundation to do philanthropic initiatives for Goldman Sachs.
	So, So this is a woman who puts lipstick on genocide.
	And if you're going to rev up the seven countries in five years.
	So she worked for Condoleezza Rice.
	So the Friday before the Syrian bombing, Condoleezza Rice comes to meet with the president.
	And suddenly after the meeting, Bannon off the National Security Council, Dina Powell in the Security Council.
	And when I saw that happen, I said, ooh, we're in trouble.
	We are in trouble because we're ready to put some more lipstick on genocide.
	So my takeaway from that is that it sounds like she could be the mole or the leaker.
	And she slipped in and there was some coup that something took place.
	It probably had something to do with Kushner, too, I'm guessing.
	Must.
	I saw a picture of her.
	They talk about her.
	She's buddies with Aberdeen.
	But the real kicker is she's buddies with Valerie Jarrett.
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	I just wanted to circle around with...
	I had one final clip...
	About the Russia investigation.
	This is a media deconstruction clip.
	The interview was on CNN. Her name is Allison Camerota.
	I'm never really quite sure about her.
	She's not on all the time, but when she's on, she comes across as like she really knows what she's talking about, but she's very patronizing in a way.
	It's just I can't quite figure her out.
	The subject of the interview is John Sununu.
	And he was, let's see, he was not only a governor or something, he was not chief of staff for Bush?
	He was in the Bush or Reagan, one of the two White House.
	I think it was Reagan.
	I think you're right.
	I think it was Reagan.
	So he had a lot to do with, yeah, it must have been Reagan, because he obviously has a lot of experience with the Russians, being from that administration.
	And what he does here is he just dresses this woman down, right down to the very end, and you might as well just put Vladimir Putin on his lower third, because he's saying the same things.
	Is there anything about the Russian investigation connected to the Trump campaign that troubles you?
	Yeah, the reporting that's taking place and the exaggeration of veniality and the suggestion...
	A great word, veniality.
	Yeah.
	What does it mean?
	Does it mean culpable, like being...
	Mean.
	Mean?
	No, it doesn't mean that.
	It means mean.
	Veniality.
	I don't think so.
	We're going to consult the Book of Knowledge on that one.
	Veniality.
	Easily excused or forgiven.
	Pardonable.
	A venial offense.
	So it doesn't mean mean.
	I'm glad I looked it up.
	I don't know what it means then.
	It doesn't mean mean.
	No.
	All right, well, it's venial.
	Yeah, it stems from venial.
	Okay, go.
	Is there anything about the Russian investigation connected to the Trump campaign that troubles you?
	Yeah, the reporting that's taking place and the exaggeration of veniality and the suggestion...
	Look, it's now seven months since the election.
	And to this day, no one has cited a single piece of evidence.
	In your last session, you guys were patting yourselves on the back because you said Clapper had passed the responsibility off to the FBI.
	But you forget that in the last weeks of the administration, Obama allowed all his intelligence agencies to share their information.
	And there is no question in my mind that when that happened, since Clapper's group had originated this, that anything the FBI had would have gone back to Clapper.
	So it's nice for Clapper to try and wash his hands of it.
	By throwing it in the FBI's lap, but he had access in those days to whatever the FBI had.
	There is nothing there.
	So Jared Kushner, meeting with a major Russian banker of a massive bank that has connections to Vladimir Putin, nothing to see there.
	Well, tell me what you think is to see there, and I'll comment on it.
	What do you think would be the motivation?
	I don't think...
	No, I asked you first.
	He was under Bush 1.
	He was not Reagan.
	Bush 1.
	Okay.
	Comment on it.
	What do you think would be the motivation?
	I don't think there's anything there.
	So why would they do it?
	So you're implying because during the 10 weeks, everybody is trying to meet somebody who's going to be in the administration.
	Everybody who's involved in business, everybody who's involved in politics.
	I can't tell you how many people tried to meet with me between the time I was named Chief of Staff.
	And did you meet with a Russian banker when everybody tried to meet with you?
	No, but I had breakfast with the vice president at the Russian embassy and a lot of folks there started talking to me.
	And would you have carved out time to meet with a Russian banker with ties to Vladimir Putin if he asked?
	I'm not even sure what would have happened if that had happened.
	First of all, Putin wasn't there.
	Look, you're asking hypotheticals on hypotheticals.
	Well, I'm trying to actually take your temperature.
	I'm trying to gauge your comfort level with all of this.
	My comfort level, the only discomfort I have is with folks in the media trying to create a veniality without having the courage to specifically tell me what the veniality that I should be concerned about is.
	I don't have.
	I have not identified a veniality.
	Have you?
	Well, you should be concerned if there was collusion.
	And that's what...
	I don't see any evidence of collusion.
	Do you?
	No.
	Ruh-roh!
	Okay, so that should end your reporting right there.
	You should put an exclamation point after you know.
	Understood.
	But we're at the beginning of the investigation.
	You're seven months into the investigation.
	Not exactly.
	Reverend Mueller has just taken over.
	Robert Mueller has just taken over.
	That's a new investigation.
	Well, no.
	I mean, look, that's not exactly fair, Governor, because as you know, Congress people have been calling for a special counsel to do this, to handle this, so it gets away from all the partisan bickering.
	So it's just starting in that regard.
	Can I ask a question?
	If Mueller comes out and says that my version is correct and yours isn't, how much crow are you going to eat?
	Have a version of events.
	Of course you do.
	The whole half hour I listen to is a version.
	Governor, we are asking questions of the sources, of the people who know, attempting to see where the investigation is.
	The investigation isn't complete.
	Without identifying a veniality that should be investigated.
	Governor, we appreciate your perspective that there's nothing to see here and that the investigation is...
	I don't know.
	Silly?
	Politically motivated by folks trying to rationalize a horribly run Democratic presidential campaign.
	Boom shakalaka.
	Now, I should mention something.
	I didn't clip it because there's enough of morale.
	I'm not going to clip the whole thing, but morale happened to say...
	Veniality?
	No.
	Nobody says that.
	Damn it.
	He said that when you're running a campaign, you're running...
	These Russians are all over the place.
	They're both parties consistently.
	And he says, why should it be any different during the transition he was defending?
	He says, this is nonsense.
	And to back that kind of thing up, which I think the...
	I'm...
	Started the show off by saying that I think a lot of this is not affecting the public thinking.
	I have it.
	I think it's not atypical.
	This is probably very typical of the American public.
	They're sick of the media.
	They're sick of the Trump bashing, which I believe...
	It would happen anyway.
	They are not really paying much attention, as they never have, to the news and all the rest.
	This is C-SPAN calling, an independent line.
	They're asking everyone for their opinion of how Trump and how the Congress is doing.
	Good morning.
	Shauna in California, an independent.
	Shauna, good morning to you.
	What grade do you give this president in Congress?
	I give him an eight plus.
	I think he's great.
	President Trump and Congress, I'd give maybe a four.
	Why is that?
	Well, I think President Trump is doing a great job, and I can't believe what the press and, you know, the Dems and Hollywood and everything.
	He's being attacked by all sides, and it hurts me what they're doing to he, his family, and I think he's doing great, and I think he is a true patriot.
	I'm proud of him, and It breaks my heart what he and his family are going through, and I know he's trying.
	He's a patriot.
	He wants to bring back jobs.
	He wants to release the American spirit, you know, of just chugging away and doing great things for this country.
	The press just beats him up and just implies Russia, Russia, Russia.
	And it's just bizarre to me how so many people that are watching these news channels, I mean, I'm being attacked just because I say, I ask a construction worker thinking that, hey, maybe we'll start building again.
	And he's a big contractor and he just said something about the immigrants and How, you know, he can't hire illegal immigrants anymore.
	And I'm like, God, it seems like the Dems want the votes and the votes of illegal immigrants.
	And they're slowly getting, you know, getting that.
	And then the right didn't want, they wanted cheap labor.
	There's your American man on the street, woman on the street.
	I don't know how independent she was, necessarily.
	I don't know.
	Well, most independents have switched over.
	But I'm going to take this as true for a moment.
	If that is the case, then we will see ratings decline significantly on one of my favorite shows.
	So let's track it.
	I'll play the clip.
	You look up the ratings, the most recent ratings, if you don't mind.
	There's not a good source anymore, but okay.
	I'll just look up ratings.
	I know what the show is already.
	It's your favorite show.
	TVbythenumbers.com.
	Screw it, John.
	Let the war room do it.
	Let the war room do it.
	They'll do it.
	War Room.
	Ratings for The View.
	He's losing it.
	Yeah, I really do.
	And what he'll say soon, it's going to all be over.
	You're not even being funny about that.
	You actually do think he's losing it.
	I do.
	I think he's losing it.
	And I think he has short-term memory loss.
	I think he maybe even has a touch of, you know, dementia maybe.
	I don't know.
	But that's all.
	Something's wrong with him.
	Something's wrong.
	I don't know what it is.
	What?
	It's all linked to lack of sleep, though.
	I don't care what it's linked to.
	He's president.
	It could be the sleep and also that he didn't realize this job was going to be what it was.
	was I always say that he didn't want this job.
	He didn't want this job.
	He wanted the fame.
	He wanted the fame that came with it.
	He thought it would lose his popularity, but he was not prepared for this.
	It's not the sleep.
	I mean, Whoopi doesn't sleep a lot.
	I don't sleep a lot.
	And I don't, you know, send messages.
	It's also possible that Melania is living in New York most of the time, and he's in Mar-a-Lago.
	And, you know, sometimes sex puts you to sleep.
	He ain't getting any of that.
	He's got nothing.
	Oh, yeah, that is.
	That's a problem.
	But he does have to be careful because he gains an insurrection.
	And you know how he talks about eating two scoops of ice cream?
	If he's not going to move, he needs to cut back to one scoop.
	He does.
	You don't want to be pear-shaped.
	A sign of stress is gaining weight in your midsection.
	There have been studies on it.
	No bueno, Sonny.
	No bueno.
	He's got something going on.
	No bueno.
	Excuse me.
	Excuse me.
	Cultural appropriation.
	Excuse me.
	Cultural appropriation.
	You can't just go selling no bueno.
	No bueno.
	Uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh.
	From what I can tell, The View's ratings have been declining drastically since 2014.
	I have an article from The War Room, April 10, 2017, headline, The View traded celebrity gossip for political drama and got a ratings boost.
	Boost!
	That's because I believe it's the same thing with Colbert.
	I think they'd gotten so low in their ratings, Colbert was really doing poorly, and then got a boost because just that one side of the...
	Argument all flocked to that show.
	And I think the same thing may have happened.
	ABC's, here we go.
	No, that's 2015.
	I'm sorry, that's old.
	That's old War Room, no good.
	Keep going.
	I believe that this is the, I think the Colbert effect, and I believe it's fleeting.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, you wrote an excellent newsletter.
	I really, really liked it.
	And I wouldn't mind rehashing it just a tad.
	Um...
	And you and Mimi, your wife, know a lot about the comedy scene.
	You really know a lot about it.
	And again, through the algos, I've been watching a lot of comedy.
	Sarah Silverstein's latest is pretty damn funny, I'll say.
	Silverman, yeah.
	Yeah, Silverman, Steenheimer.
	Very funny.
	Not all the Trump bashing I expected from her.
	But what you wrote in the newsletter, my takeaway was there are very specific moments when comedy changes, and the comics are in this box.
	They've put themselves in this box.
	Where we have Kathy Griffin, because the people who were most angry at Kathy Griffin were other comedians and, you know, the left at large.
	And just to add one more to it, then I want you to explain a little bit about what may be going on.
	I have the clip of Bill Maher that everyone is so pissed off about.
	Here it is.
	Nebraska Moore.
	You're welcome.
	We'd love to have you work in the fields with us.
	I'm a house nigga.
	Ah, there he is.
	Bill Maher.
	And actually, the way he said it, I'm a house nigga, he was acting, it wasn't all that super offensive, but the problem is, and this is exactly what Professor Ted says, you get into this over-socialization, mainly through the use of social networks, It's a psychology term which is really enhanced by technology, weaponized technology, and people are going, their heads are going to explode.
	Not literally, but they're going to run into trouble because where, now we don't know where the lines are.
	You're being boxed in, so what do you do as a comedian?
	When you're boxed in?
	Well, what are they doing?
	What are they doing now?
	They're freaked.
	Explain.
	Well, there's no, you can't, The only outlet seems to be Trump bashing.
	And the comics who don't do Trump bashing, and there's a few of them that try to stay a little middle of the road, I think are the ones who are going to end up coming out okay.
	And I would put Jimmy Fallon in that group, as opposed to Kimmel and especially Colbert.
	Colbert has boxed himself in with this Trump hate.
	And...
	What has to emerge is what I put in the newsletters.
	I don't remember it that much, but I did go see him when I was in high school.
	I saw Mort Saul.
	Mort Saul came out of the blue.
	Along with some new comics, including Woody Allen and some others.
	And they ended up with a new style of comedy, which was a political commentary.
	And then shortly after that, another wave of new comics showed up.
	I think largely led by Jonathan Winters, but then there was Bob Newhart and Bill Cosby and a bunch of other guys who came up with this kind of neutral comedy that really was mostly observational about the situation.
	Seinfeld type stuff.
	Well, Seinfeld's a little different still.
	He's like in another wave that came much later, and he's pretty neutral.
	But Bob Newhart was the key to this whole understanding of the whole phenomenon was Bob Newhart.
	This guy is the first number one selling comedy album.
	The guy was just completely outrageous.
	Just a little bit before my time.
	I never got that big Bob Newhart.
	You should probably go listen to the Button Down Caller or the Button Down Mind.
	It's the Button Down Mind of Bob Newhart, which was this outrageous hit record.
	Yeah, back when we had comedy albums.
	Remember those?
	They still come out.
	Nobody buys them, but they come out.
	Just download them.
	They're streaming.
	Today's equivalency of a comedy album is what you mentioned earlier in the show, which is Netflix.
	Right.
	Every comedian has a Netflix special that goes an hour or two.
	It's about an hour.
	It's really an hour.
	Yeah, it's about an hour.
	It's a comedy album.
	And a lot of them are crap.
	Most of them.
	Which, by the way, is the next wave.
	That is the Netflix comedy album.
	Mm-hmm.
	I don't know what's going to come next.
	I mean, there's got to be something new because these guys, like you said, they've all boxed themselves in.
	And with usually hate comedy, which really doesn't work that well.
	What's odd, though, is that Griffin's gigs were canceled.
	Now, you can't tell me she was performing in Republican audience-oriented places.
	No.
	No.
	So they're canceling?
	They're canceling?
	Because, oh!
	I mean...
	For comics not to support another comic, no matter what they've done, except for some physical harm, is, I think, unprecedented.
	Franken?
	I think you're right.
	Franken supported her right off the bat, and I have to assume that his office, as a U.S. senator, got inundated, and he bailed fast.
	Right.
	In fact, he bailed so fast, I thought it was embarrassing.
	Hmm.
	And it's just a...
	There's something else going on here we should mention.
	Media Matters has always been this group that has been slamming the right-wingers.
	They're the ones who went after O'Reilly and got his advertisers to quit advertising and all the rest.
	There's now a right-wing version of Media Matters, and I can't remember their name off the top of my head, but someone in the chat room might know what it is.
	It's being talked about by the right-wing talkers, and they are going after lefties.
	With these campaigns, again, to stop advertising.
	This is actually a better segment to do before one of our advertising segments.
	But they're going after the left, and they're going after Rachel Maddow and all these other people.
	And they're also going after advertisers who pull the ads from, like Sean Hannity.
	Hannity had a bunch of ads pulled, and they're going after the advertisers for pulling the ads and asking for boycotts.
	And a couple of advertisers have come back to Hannity after that because there's no real reason for them to quit.
	The only guy that's not saying anything about this or is kind of against it because he doesn't like boycotts, quote unquote, is this guy, Mark Levin, the great one.
	Mark Levin!
	Mark Levin says, I think this is a bad idea.
	And then it turns out that one of the advertisers, just coincidentally maybe, one of the advertisers that bailed on Hannity, which is Casper Mattresses, huge advertiser on Mark Levin.
	Huh.
	Coincidence?
	I think not.
	So Mark Levin has lost credibility right there.
	This is all the corruption of advertising.
	Yeah, we should have done this before the donation segment.
	You're right.
	And also, consider this.
	After this program, if you got any value from it, consider what you just heard.
	There's one comedian who will not trash Trump, and that's Kevin Hart.
	Well, Kevin Hart is smart.
	Obviously, Dennis Miller is not trashing Trump.
	He's a big Trump supporter.
	And there's probably a few others who, and many of them complain about the fact that they're not, you know, they're getting crap because they're Trump supporters in their community.
	You know, the community is very left and it tends to be...
	It's gotten the Trump hate.
	I think that's where Kathy Griffin got her nerve from to do that photo.
	Because she just saw this...
	And how dumb is she?
	Well, if you listen to her apology, she doesn't seem that bright.
	You know, Scott Adams wrote something interesting.
	Dilbert guy.
	He said, Trump should come out and say, I accept your apology.
	He said, that would be so awesome if he did that.
	He won't.
	I wonder when Adams did that, because that exact same approach was done on The Five that Fox does by Guttman.
	Exactly the same.
	I wonder who stole which from who.
	I don't know what the timeline is.
	I suspect that Adams would be the originator.
	I suspect that as well.
	I think he's a little more out of that.
	He has a cartoon, which I'll put in the newsletter, about global warming that I think is, besides being excellent.
	Yeah, it's very good.
	It is right on the money.
	Very good.
	But no, I don't know what's going to happen with the comic scene.
	But something's going to happen.
	Something's going to change because this cannot go on.
	Hate doesn't work that well.
	Ah, you know what needs to happen now.
	Aliens.
	Aliens.
	Trump should say something about aliens.
	Well, Trump did.
	There was a thing I predicted.
	I'm listening to some other reports, and it apparently did happen, which is the accusation that Trump has syphilis.
	I jokingly put it in a newsletter some time ago, and then I hear now that somebody's accusing him of it.
	It's like one of the View women or something like that.
	That would be the ones to do it.
	Yeah.
	Oh, man.
	He's got syphilis.
	That explains everything.
	It could happen.
	All right.
	Things are changing.
	Anyway, things are changing, but I'm noticing the softening of the CIA broadcasting system concerning Trump.
	I'm going to monitor that a little closer.
	Yeah, that's a good idea.
	They're getting rid of Scott Pelley.
	I didn't realize it would have such an impact on that kind of reporting, but it did.
	And then morale now is to be listened to a little more closely.
	Oh, for sure.
	Quick little Maxine.
	Yes, Maxine.
	When we expand in March, this was an on-the-street interview, and the reason why I watched it at all, well, Maxine is kind of something you want to watch anyway, but it was the Young Turks.
	Are they now rocking against Maxine?
	I thought they were all in, all left, all the time.
	The problem with Maxine is that she has a corruption scandal in her background.
	Ah, okay.
	Yeah.
	Well, she's got more going on.
	During a one-week span in March, I looked at your tweets, and around 60% had to do with this Russia issue.
	Do you think that's a proportionate focus for Democrats?
	Good question.
	I like that.
	Is that proportionate?
	Should you be doing other things for the people?
	We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
	And for people who say, you know, don't do this, don't do this, you just should do that.
	Let me just say that I consider that protection of our democracy And understanding that Russia is not our friend.
	And that they are undermining our democracy by hacking into our elections and trying to determine, as they have done, who should be president of the United States.
	And that's very important.
	At the same time, we fight very hard for her.
	Do you hear how deluded she is?
	Delusional?
	That they determine who the President of the United States is.
	That's what she said.
	That's how far this woman is going.
	Oh, she's nuts.
	That's pretty nuts.
	And trying to determine, as they have done, who should be President of the United States.
	And that's very important.
	At the same time, we fight very hard for health care.
	We're trying to preserve the ACA while they're trying to undo it with Trumpcare that's going to throw...
	Is that also the Russians' fault somehow?
	24 million people out of health care.
	And I like how she says 34 million people.
	It used to be 20, then it was 24, now it's 34.
	We're trying to preserve the ACA while they're trying to undo it with Trumpcare that's going to throw 34 million people out of health care.
	And so we know how to do both, and we're doing that.
	When you say Russia's not our friend...
	We know how to throw people out of healthcare.
	We don't need Trump for that.
	We know how to do both.
	And we're doing that.
	When you say Russia's not our friend, was Obama mistaken to forge military cooperation with Russia and Syria?
	You and I have a different agenda, young man.
	I'm out to impeach this president.
	Get that straight.
	I'm out to impeach the president.
	I'm not going to be diverted by people who are Obama haters.
	Do you think...
	Woo! Woo! Woo!
	Wow.
	Stay away from the crackpot.
	Those days are over.
	They called you out on Fox tonight.
	Not a racist song.
	Stay away from the crackpot.
	There's this great fake Twitter account, which is Maxine Waters, except it's not Waters, it's two...
	It's Vaters.
	Yeah, it's two capital Vs.
	Yeah, I know, it's very funny.
	And there's like hashtag IndPeach with an N for November.
	Yeah, IndPeach.
	IndPeach.
	I know I saw that and I said, oh, somebody's going to be buying into this.
	Lots of people bought into it.
	Yeah, I know.
	It was very funny.
	Be careful, people, when you retweet.
	I mean, everyone gets caught with some scam, but that one is a little too much.
	But the impeach, it cracked me up.
	I have a couple of things I want to get out of here before we end.
	I'm giving you the 10-minute warning.
	Well, you didn't give me 10 minutes.
	It's a long five-minute warning.
	I want this clip out of the way because this is one of those things where they always say, oh, the Russians and their disinformation and RTs, not to be trusted, don't watch them.
	But RTs, to me, still does stories, and you can check these stories out, and they're accurate, that the mainstream media just won't touch.
	You mean M5M? M5M. This is DEA Cockup on RT. The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration reportedly lied to Congress about fatal shootings in Honduras in 2012.
	That includes the killing of four civilians in the Central American country.
	A recent report by the Justice Department says that the DEA falsely characterized the deaths as a shootout with drug traffickers, despite video evidence of them firing an unarmed officer.
	Civilians.
	It also says the agency failed to adequately plan its operations and withheld information from the U.S. Ambassador in Honduras.
	With more details, here's Artis Caleb Moppy.
	There seems to be a bit of a pattern when it comes to U.S. forces and civilian deaths.
	In Honduras, in mid-May, four civilians are killed in a drug raid.
	Two of the civilians killed are women.
	Another was only 14 years old.
	But U.S. forces weren't involved, right?
	We did not use force.
	No US personnel fired any weapons.
	We were involved purely supporting and advising.
	Wrong.
	The report from the Office of the Inspector General shows that drug enforcement officers from the United States had significant control over the operations.
	Furthermore, the report shows that they lied to Congress about significant details.
	DEA officials asserted to Justice Department leadership, the U.S. Ambassador to Honduras, and Congress that some of the people in the passenger boat were drug traffickers attempting to retrieve the seized cocaine, and that the people on the passenger boat had fired on the officers first.
	That was Newland, by the way, earlier in that clip.
	Oh, I thought I recognized her.
	Yeah, kind of an item there that no one's going to cover.
	Well, I've got a non, although this is a smaller market M5M report, Kamala Harris.
	Kamala Harris was also on Recode.
	You should watch that YouTube video, too.
	Very interesting woman.
	She was the Attorney General.
	Now she's a Senator, I believe.
	And she was always on the fast track.
	Obama loved her.
	And she took Boxer's place.
	Yes.
	Obama loved her.
	In fact, he got crap for saying, ah, she looks smartest, good-looking woman.
	And everyone freaked out over that.
	Yeah.
	Can't do that.
	Well, she has some weirdness going on with her staff.
	Anyone who's read the book The Da Vinci Code or seen the movie probably knows something about the Knights Templar.
	They're basically an ancient law enforcement organization that these three people who were arrested claim to be a part of.
	A lot of people think this group is fake.
	However, there are real consequences for impersonating an officer of the law.
	And that's just what the L.A. County Sheriff's Department arrested these folks for.
	These three people have all identified themselves as being members of the Masonic Fraternal Police Department.
	And according to the L.A. Times, one of the suspects, Brandon Keel, was an aide to California State Attorney General Kamala Harris.
	When officers searched the homes of these three in Santa Clarita, they say they found weapons, badges, vehicles, uniforms, and other law enforcement-type equipment.
	He slipped it in there.
	They had cop cars, John.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they had cop cars.
	Just the kind of items that would give the impression that these people were real swan police officers.
	Kiro, along with Tenette Hayes and David Henry, the chief of the so-called Masonic Fraternal Police Department, were all arrested for impersonating a peace officer.
	Now, this is a serious offense that can come with prison time.
	Law enforcement says they became aware of this illegitimate police organization when the group contacted the Santa Clarita Sheriff's Station and met with the station's captain.
	Now, it's unclear why the group wanted to do that.
	The Masonic Police Organization claims to be a part of a modern-day branch of the fabled Knights Templar, a group that dates back basically a thousand years.
	As the chief of Santa Clarita's home, the windows out there, we checked it out, they were all shut, no one came to the door and we knocked.
	Neighbors tell us the Masonic couple that lived there were very friendly and no one thought they were suspicious.
	No.
	He had this specific, like, ring, and I just asked about it, and it's about, like, an Illuminati.
	It's a Masonic, and then it goes back, like, from ancient times.
	All three of the suspects were released the same day from jail that they were arrested.
	Now, officers believe there are more people a part of this Masonic paternal order of police, and they're urging anyone with information to come forward.
	I love it.
	All the things.
	That was just illegal.
	You're not allowed to impersonate a cop.
	They're not impersonating a cop.
	They're security guards.
	I think that they had cop-like uniforms.
	So what?
	Security guards do too.
	But not if it says LAPD. They didn't say LAPD. There's no evidence of that.
	I know, but all I know is Illuminati.
	I think I would watch this case carefully and see what happens, but I'll bet you they get off because I don't see that they're doing anything wrong.
	They may not be doing anything wrong and they're not imprisoned.
	I mean, they have been let go.
	But it's just interesting to know that there's a lot of people out there who are part of the Masonic police force.
	Yeah, who knows?
	I didn't know this was going on, but for some reason I wasn't surprised.
	Oh, yeah.
	Moon landing fake next.
	All the things I was laughed at for years, a decade.
	Pretty soon everything will be true and then we'll have no show left to do.
	No, but there's still stuff to report.
	For example, I thought there's a...
	I got two clips left.
	This is the prison time for Penn State Chancellor, the guy who ran Penn State.
	I just thought...
	I didn't expect this to ever happen.
	Wait, these are the...
	The pedophiles.
	The former president of Penn State University will serve time behind bars for his role in covering up child sexual abuse by an ex-assistant football coach.
	Graham Spanier will spend two months in jail and up to ten months under house arrest.
	Two other former university officials also receive jail time.
	Jerry Sandusky is serving a prison sentence of 30 to 60 years for sexually abusing ten boys.
	That guy gets two months?
	As long as he got some jail time, I think that's what you need to do with some of these cases.
	Meanwhile, if you're black and you're smoking crack, you get locked up for 15 years.
	America!
	Number one, baby!
	That's a different problem.
	Now, the last one I have, which is that I want to play, is the he gained weight clip.
	What I want to discuss is that this is an example of Tucker.
	This is Tucker's show.
	And what he's doing, he's really doing a no agenda.
	Kind of deconstruction here with one of his guests.
	Okay.
	And I'm sketchy about whether or not he should keep going in this direction because I don't know that it works so well when you have, you know...
	I haven't heard this clip, but I've noticed a change too, and I don't know exactly when this happened.
	I'm noticing him laughing a lot more with other guests who come in studio who are just, you know, contributors, not guests that he's going to rip apart or attempt to.
	Yeah, right.
	And they do something else.
	They point out a...
	In this case, he brings in an Anderson Cooper clip, and they both ridicule it, and they discuss a little bit like a deconstruction.
	Like, you know, I think they're looking for a formula for that show.
	They haven't found one yet, and they're using our formula.
	Damn it.
	So I turned into that channel yesterday to see, you know, are they covering this, and what are they covering?
	Because it's kind of interesting to see their alternative reality.
	And this is what I saw.
	Uh-huh.
	Being president is not agreeing with the president.
	He complained that his first trip overseas was going to be too long, that he wasn't looking forward to it, and he returned to the White House angry.
	He gains weight according to these sources.
	He doesn't trust people around him.
	He's withdrawing.
	Not a good picture.
	It's the one being painted by those sources.
	I actually like the anchor over there who just said that, but that line, I really had to put it in my refrigerator.
	He's gained weight according to sources.
	According to sources.
	You know what the number one complaint of the New York Times readers are?
	This is according to their public editors year after year.
	The overuse of unnamed sources.
	We're just sitting at home.
	I'm wondering, okay, who has the motivation and the agenda to go on the record with CNN? He hasn't appeared on that network since August of 2016.
	What friend of Trump is running to CNN to talk about how much of a bad mood he's in and how much weight he's gained?
	And what is the credibility of this source in the first place?
	Motive, agenda, credibility.
	And here's the problem, Tucker.
	After that story comes out, then everybody else in media picks up the story as gospel.
	Yeah.
	Totally doing no agenda.
	Yeah, and that's how they...
	They are describing an accurate mechanism, and they mentioned the public editor, which has now been fired, so we won't even have that issue anymore, people complaining.
	Yeah, well, I don't care what they do.
	I'm not worried about it, because they can't do this.
	Fat bitch!
	See?
	No.
	Can't do it.
	They can't.
	They can't do...
	They're bound by advertisers.
	Advertisers.
	And the corporate guys.
	The suits.
	So if you still want to have a real laugh...
	Because after all, we are a comedy podcast.
	Support us at Dvorak.org slash NA. The only way we can continue.
	Now, are we in the finals yet of this NBA thing?
	Should I watch now?
	We're in the finals.
	There's the last few games.
	So this is the finals.
	This is the last two teams standing.
	The first game is over, and that's the Warriors one.
	They have to win four games.
	The Warriors are playing again today, right after the podcast, actually.
	And then they go to Cleveland and play two more games.
	It could go seven games.
	It could end in four.
	We don't know, but so far the Warriors are looking good.
	Well, I'm excited.
	And Rihanna was at the place.
	A big scandal broke out.
	And Jay-Z is at the game.
	And Kevin Hart was at the game.
	We will return on Thursday with another episode of the Best Podcast in the Universe.
	Please remember us at Dvorak.org slash NA. Until then, coming to you from downtown Austin, Tejas in...
	The Commonwealth Condo Cludio, FEMA Region 6.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, which is right near the game, I'm John C. Devorak.
	We'll see you on Thursday.
	Until then, adios, mofos!
	Suckin' in soot.
	Thank you.
	Sucking in soot.
	You might die.
	She's not the wizard.
	She's not the wizard.
	Weaponized tech or having Russians help you.
	I inherit nothing from the Democratic Party.
	It was bankrupt.
	It was on the verge of insolvency.
	Its data was mediocre to poor, non-existent, wrong.
	I had to inject money into it.
	So Trump becomes the nominee.
	This tried and true, effective foundation.
	The untrue, false story.
	Weaponized information.
	Low-level CNN operation to weaponize that information.
	The Russians, let's say wickedly, same thing.
	Drop it now.
	Drop it now.
	Weaponized technical or how many Russians help you?
	She's not a lizard!
	I inherit nothing from the Democratic Party.
	Do everything we can to weaponize it.
	Message delivery.
	Horrible data deficit to, like, Obama 3.0.
	Just flat out false.
	I'm not a tax expert.
	If you look at Facebook, the vast majority of the news items posted were fake.
	Tech revolution.
	Really weaponized.
	Be very specific if people didn't understand what I was saying.
	If I didn't break any rules, I was very responsible and not at all careless.
	Be very specific if people didn't understand what I was saying.
	Dump it now.
	Dump it now.
	And not at all careless.
	She's not a lizard!
	If I didn't break any rules, I was very responsible.
	I believe the type...
	Deluded, yes.
	Well, well, if you went all the way back, doing something that others had...
	Deluded, yes.
	Certainly, certainly she should have known not to send classified information.
	As I said, that's a definition of negligence.
	I think she was extremely careless.
	She should have known.
	If you went all the way back, if you went all the way back, well, if you went all the way back, doing something that others had done before was no longer acceptable in the new environment in which we found ourselves.
	And there was no...
	Is she referring to her being the originator of the Boney Bologna story or possibly a true story about Barack Obama not being...
	Certainly, she should have known.
	She should have known.
	Well, she should have known.
	Tech expert.
	Tech expert, Mike.
	Oh, I lied.
	She said tech sexpert.
	You said tech sexpert?
	Yes.
	Tech sexpert, Mike.
	Tech sexpert, Mike.
	Oh, I lied.
	She said tech sexpert.
	Deluded, yes.
	Tech sexpert, Mike.
	Oh, I lied.
	She said deluded, yes.
	Tech sexpert, Mike.
	Oh, I lied.
	She said tech sexpert.
	You said tech sexpert.
	Yes.
	I'm not a tech sexpert by any.
	I think she's deluded.
	Deluded.
	Responsible and not at all.
	Carol, Carol, Carol.
	You end up with a situation that is then exploited.
	Yes, I don't.
	Yes, I don't. I don't.
	The best podcast in the universe.
	Adios, mofo!

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