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	What?
	We were doing it for you, Obama!
	Adam Curry, John C. DeVore.
	It's Thursday, April 7th, 2016, the time once again for your Gitmo Nation media assassination.
	This is episode 814.
	This is No Agenda.
	Deconstructing propaganda from Peoria to Panama.
	And broadcasting live from the capital of the Drone Star State here in FEMA Region 6, Austin Tejas in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, we have returned from a trip where it was 26 degrees, hitting California when it was 86 degrees.
	I'm John C. Devorak.
	Thank you for the AccuWeather report, John.
	It's fabulous.
	It's 26.
	It's cold.
	And did you have that?
	It's 86.
	Did you have that wind?
	That cold, biting wind flowing through Manhattan?
	Yes.
	That is not good.
	Woo!
	No.
	If it's just a 26 and there's not a lot of wind, it's fine.
	You can wander around.
	But when they get that biting wind...
	Was the sun out, though?
	Was it 26 when sunny?
	It was 26 with a mixed sun.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, that's no good.
	Hey, welcome back.
	But there was sun, so you walk on the sunny side of the street and you could pretend you felt better.
	Welcome back.
	Happy birthday.
	Happy birthday to you.
	Happy birthday to all ships and sea boots.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I sent you a text.
	Did you get it?
	I sent you a happy birthday?
	Yes, I did.
	You said happy birthday.
	I said happy birthday, you man of advanced age, I think is what I said.
	Something like that.
	So, how did the meetup go?
	I saw pictures Well, I mean, we can discuss the meetup now or we can discuss it after the first donation segment because there's donations involved and they're not in the segment.
	I'm going to talk about them the way you did because that's the way to do it.
	A very separate segment about the meetup and how it went.
	All right.
	Anything else you'd like to say about New York before we get into some other things?
	It was cold.
	Okay.
	It was grungy as usual.
	I bought a brand new windbreaker blazer, not a blazer, but a windbreaker thing that I obviously needed.
	And I noticed that when I got back, it was just, I had to wear it all the time.
	You didn't have a warm winter coat and gloves, you just had a windbreaker?
	No, I had gloves, I had everything.
	I'm worried about you there.
	Seven layers, but I still need a windbreaker.
	Mimi taking care of you, man.
	No.
	The windbreaker is the key.
	So here's the point I'm trying to make you.
	You're distracting me.
	When I got it home, you could see that it was in a grimy city.
	It started to pick up the patina of city grime.
	Take it to the dry cleaners.
	Oh, that's this guy.
	Yeah, I know.
	Everything gets on you in New York.
	Nasty.
	I still have shit in my lungs from living in New York.
	Patina, I think.
	Hey, did you receive a gift from one of our producers?
	I don't know who sent it, but did we mention sucrets on the show at some point?
	I never saw any.
	I got no sucrets.
	I got 35 tins of sucrets.
	I don't know who sent them to me.
	17 of those are mine.
	And they're the old-fashioned ones.
	The tins.
	I'm like, this box is heavy.
	What's in here?
	And there's 35 tins of sucretes.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	It's not something you just like...
	And no note?
	No note.
	No nothing.
	No card?
	I don't understand.
	Unless, you know, I was high and I ordered them myself.
	That's possible, but...
	Oh man, what can I go for now?
	Secrets.
	You can go for a secret.
	I could go for a secret right now.
	What is a secret?
	I can't remember.
	It's a lozenge for your throat if you have a cough or a throat ache.
	They predate Mentos.
	That's not Mentos.
	Yeah, put them in a Coke bottle and see what happens.
	Well, I stayed up pretty late last night to wait for the final tally.
	We were hoping it would come in at 33.
	If you don't know what I'm talking about, here's a quick background over what happened yesterday in Gitmo Nation lowlands.
	The Dutch government may have to reconsider ratifying a treaty on closer European Union ties with Ukraine after voters rejected a partnership deal in a non-binding referendum.
	Unofficial results indicate 64% voted no.
	The turnout appears to have only just passed the required 30% to validate the result.
	The ratification cannot proceed as was expected before, so we have to take a step-by-step approach.
	We have now to talk within the cabinet, with the parliament, with our European partners, also with the Ukraine, to see what the consequences of this decision might be.
	I'll just stop it right here.
	The Netherlands had a referendum.
	Yes.
	About the Ukraine association agreement with the European Union.
	I think before you continue, you should play my Deutsche Welle version of the same wrap-up, because, of course, Deutsche Welle is German, and they kind of have a different attitude about this.
	Well, can I give you the background at first, or is this in your question?
	The reason I'm saying is because I think the background's in here.
	Good to have you with us.
	The European Union facing a somewhat unexpected test tonight.
	Votes are being counted in the Netherlands after a referendum on a deal that deepens ties between the EU and Ukraine.
	Euroskeptic groups forced the vote after the agreement was approved by the Dutch Parliament.
	Now, it's already been ratified by all other EU states.
	Though a no vote would not be binding, it would be an embarrassment for the Netherlands, and it would underscore growing EU skepticism.
	Right now, exit polls say 64% of voters have rejected the deal, but there needs to have been a 30% turnout for the referendum to be valid.
	As it stands, it's on a knife edge, as they say, whether that figure has been reached.
	Let's go down to our correspondent, Barbara Vazel.
	She is in Brussels.
	She's monitoring Everything that's going on next door in the Netherlands.
	Good evening to you, Barbara.
	So, do we know any more, first of all, about whether or not this referendum is going to be valid?
	No, we don't know yet, and I need a crystal ball here to figure this out, because the pulses have just sort of inched up a bit and have gone beyond the 30% threshold, but there still is a rather large margin of error.
	So what?
	It's quite inexplicable.
	Of course, it turned out to be 32 point something percent.
	It should have been 33.
	Well, I don't know if it's official official yet, but if it were...
	Well, the reason I wanted to play this clip, because I'm going to ask you a question.
	Okay, hold on.
	Let's play the rest.
	The Dutch are not able to count their voters more quickly, but that's just the way it is.
	And so we don't know whether it's valid, but the message behind it is quite clear.
	As you already pointed out, a majority of people, those who went to vote, those who did go to the poll stations, say no to the Ukraine agreement.
	And that is rather a clear message for the government, for Brussels, and also the organizers of this referendum have already started to open the champagne bottles.
	They say this is good enough for us.
	We've reached the goal that we wanted to reach.
	We can show the EU that they are not wanted by many Dutch voters.
	All right.
	Your question is true.
	Let me throw an additional comment in for you to comment on.
	During that report, they said this will be an embarrassment for the Dutch.
	Why?
	A number of reasons.
	One, they're the last man out.
	28 countries have already ratified this agreement.
	All 28 states of the European Union have to ratify it.
	Moreover, we are right in the middle of the six-month presidency of the council, or is it the council, the EU council, by the Netherlands.
	All the meetings are there.
	I mean, they're running the show.
	They get their six-month window, so this is rather embarrassing.
	Hey, can't you keep your slaves under control, Rutte?
	Okay, that would explain it.
	I was kind of baffled by that.
	But, of course, the Netherlands is unique.
	The whole point of this referendum...
	Really, Putin was kind of the hockey puck in the middle because, oh, we can't leave Ukraine go because then they'll lean towards Putin and then Russia will be on our doorstep.
	It'll be a big problem.
	All of the propaganda that we discussed in the...
	The memoranda that we had uncovered or that we had received that were hacked from Ukraine, all of that came true.
	They had the kids singing in Dutch.
	They had the virtuoso violinist playing, all that.
	They did all of that.
	And it just didn't work.
	So it was about 61 or 62% against the association agreement.
	But they did have enough people show up for the vote.
	And here's the background.
	This is not binding.
	It is just an advice from the people.
	So the cabinet or the parliament does not have to adhere to it.
	They can just go ahead as planned, which I'm pretty sure they will.
	We saw this last time with the Lisbon Treaty in 2007-2008, and the Netherlands and France voted no, and then we did a do-over.
	You guys didn't understand the question.
	Let's vote again.
	What's funny...
	Give you another chance.
	What's interesting about this is it's really irks...
	See, the Netherlands has a law, a referendum law, and you can call a referendum, but you have to have a certain amount of signatures in order to call the referendum.
	I think it's 400,000.
	They had more than the required amount.
	And in that law is this 30% thing.
	Which, of course, no one ever expected that to work, which is why you put it in, just to placate people.
	If you get enough signatures, you can have a referendum.
	But this was unexpected, that enough citizens would say, hey, we don't like this.
	Now, the referenda are not super common in the Netherlands, but they're going to be.
	They're already talking about a referendum about TTIP. So all of these deals...
	Well, here's the mechanism once it's established.
	When you developed one of these systems, the referendum system being a great example, you try to set up a huge barrier to entry, which is 400,000 signatures.
	That is a lot.
	Hell yeah.
	Especially in a small country.
	Especially for guys who started as bloggers.
	But once you establish the mechanism to get the 400,000, now it's like a printing press.
	Yeah.
	Now you can keep it going.
	You can get 400,000 at the drop of a hat because it's the same 400,000.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	You can go back to them.
	You can go back to them.
	That's right.
	You got them.
	You hit the well again and again and again and again, and all of a sudden, now the thing is clicking like crazy.
	Exactly.
	So the Dutch politicians, most of the parties were for the Association Agreement, except for the Socialists and the Geen Pijl, whoever the guys were who got this referendum together.
	What was I going to say?
	Well, I'm sorry.
	You weren't listening.
	I wasn't listening to myself either as the words were coming out.
	Oh, the politicians.
	I got it.
	I got it.
	The politicians who were for the association agreement are now out on trail today saying, you know, referenda is really bad for democracy.
	This is not how our democracy should work.
	We shouldn't be listening to the people whatsoever.
	No, that's why they were chosen representatives, and that's why they're all out of whack.
	What is this?
	I'm supposed to be in charge of this?
	What are you doing, you stupid...
	Now, the crazy thing.
	I read the agreement.
	I know.
	I'm like, I'm nuts.
	This thing is not easy to find in its totality.
	There's pieces missing from publications.
	You have to really hunt around.
	That's a bad sign.
	It's a very bad sign, because the main piece that was missing is the trade part.
	Now, I've gotten older versions, and I have the protocols.
	But really, this is about two things.
	And the interesting part about this is that...
	Personally, I believe this no vote, although it is showing the European Union that the citizens of the Netherlands are unhappy, and I'm sure they're unhappy about a number of things, including migration, and the banks that are now completely under control of the financial union, people are mad about that.
	I need B12 is what I need today.
	I really need B12. Wow.
	What the hell was I going?
	This is unusual.
	Oh, my God.
	Fuzzy.
	I was up late last night watching this stuff.
	Okay, so I read the agreement.
	The sad part is, this agreement actually is pretty good for Europe.
	Aside from a number of glaring things.
	That even makes it funnier.
	It does.
	Ukraine in World War II was the breadbasket.
	They have unbelievable produce.
	They really have two things.
	Yes, Ukraine still could be a breadbasket along with Georgia.
	Produce and pipelines.
	That's the two things that are the main factors of this agreement.
	And of course, it's a trade agreement.
	When you just look at it, Which means there will be no duties placed on energy imports.
	There's a lot about energy and pipelines.
	It's all over the place.
	And so it's kind of sad that there's pretty much a great deal for Europe on the table.
	And I'm pretty sure Germany is not friendly in this either.
	They probably don't want to, you know, they don't want too much of that going on.
	I'm not so sure, because if you listen to, you might as well interrupt yourself and listen to part two of this clip, because these are the Deutsche Welle people who seem to be kind of pro for this agreement.
	Yeah, I mean, they may be saying that, but...
	No, that's what I'm saying.
	The Germans are for the agreement.
	That's exactly what I'm saying.
	Yeah, they are for the agreement, because they want cheap access to the gas.
	Yeah, I mean, they may be saying that, but can they really say that, Barbara?
	I mean, we still can't even say whether or not enough people voted to make the referendum valid.
	That certainly can't be a success for any cause, right?
	In a way, yes.
	Of course, legally and politically, in one sense, you're completely right.
	Of course, if it falls below the threshold, it's not valid, and everybody can say, oh, this attempt fell flat on its face.
	On the other hand, we have to recognize, and many Dutch politicians already pointed that out in their first reactions, we have to recognize that a rather large margin of Dutch voters actually do want to show their discontent to the European Union, be we have to recognize that a rather large margin of Dutch voters actually do want to show their discontent to the European Union, be it particularly to the
	So that message seems to be quite clear, and it is very unwelcome in Brussels.
	I'll say.
	So if you really look at the protocols of the agreement, again, it's produce and pipelines is really my takeaway from it.
	You see very clearly why it was so important that we control Ukraine.
	And when I say we, I mean the United States.
	I mean, we have the finance minister in there who became Ukrainian overnight just to be the finance minister.
	She's American.
	Um, the, uh, uh, the amount of money and investment that went into Ukraine from mainly Chevron through Victoria Newland, you'll recall, she had that, that little meeting.
	Oh, we put 10 billion in, they got shale oil contracts.
	This is, it really has a lot of resources that we have already, you know, we've staked our claim to, and now we just want to have it free flowing into Europe.
	So Chevron, I'll just say that's us in this case, the United States of Gitmo nation.
	So we can have the free flow of our oil now that we have the rights to, which we captured in a, through whatever backroom deals in Ukraine to pass that on.
	Now, here's the, Here's just some of the anomalies that I found.
	Ukraine apparently has a pretty big market of fake products.
	And when I say fake products, I really mean produce.
	In this case, two glaring examples, which they will, by this agreement, be able to continue.
	One is shipping champagne from Ukraine into the EU, which of course is a protected name.
	Is it champagne?
	Is it Ukrainian or Eastern European sparkling wine named champagne?
	Yes, sir.
	Or is it gray market champagne?
	No, it is sparkling wine from Ukraine with the word champagne on it, and they will be allowed to use this.
	No, that's in there.
	No, but the French don't want...
	Wait, I'll make it crazier for you.
	Okay, there's more complexity to the use of the word champagne.
	Okay, I'll give you another example.
	Feta cheese.
	Feta is protected in the EU for the Greek.
	Not even all the Greek dairy farmers.
	Only certain dairy farmers are allowed to say feta cheese.
	Feta cheese?
	Well, let me say a couple things about feta cheese.
	Ah, yes.
	Please.
	You know, I came to work this morning thinking, I need to know more about feta.
	Feta cheese is made by a number of countries.
	It's a certain kind of sour sheep's milk cheese.
	And sometimes it's blended with goat, and sometimes it's goat, and it depends.
	And I've seen it used.
	I don't know what this is about because feta cheese has been used by the French.
	It's called French feta cheese for a long time.
	And everybody in the world who's a connoisseur or anyone who really likes feta cheese knows.
	And everybody knows.
	The cheapest feta cheese comes from Bulgaria.
	The best feta cheese comes from Bulgaria.
	Fine.
	If you want good feta cheese, you get Bulgarian feta cheese.
	Right.
	And that's always been called feta cheese.
	It's not.
	No, no, no.
	No, no, no.
	In the European Union, the name feta cheese is a protected name.
	May only be used, just like champagne, may only be used by the approved dairy farmers and marketers.
	In Greece?
	No, in the European Union.
	It is a protected name.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, okay.
	So in other words, the French Fed and the Bulgarian Fed I buy, the Bulgarian mostly, is protected.
	Yes.
	If they say feta cheese, then they have a license to do so.
	They're paying somebody some money to use it.
	Correct.
	And it may be Greek feta cheese for all I know.
	No.
	Okay.
	The Greek feta cheese is good, but it doesn't compare to the Bulgarian.
	Right.
	But I'm just saying, this is what's in the agreement.
	And they'll be able to keep selling their Ukrainian feta cheese for 10 years.
	And by the way, I'll be getting notes.
	I can see it already.
	You have no idea about feta cheese.
	I'm just reading the documents.
	I enjoy the cheese break.
	So, you know, so these are little things.
	So you can really see that it's a trade agreement.
	Well, the champagne thing is not going to go over it.
	This is just another irritant to the French.
	Did you hear this story over the week?
	I guess it was just a couple days ago or yesterday.
	The French are now stopping these tankers, 70,000 gallon tankers coming into France from Spain.
	Oh no, I haven't seen this.
	A load of cheap wine.
	And the French wine growers, it goes through a wine growing, they surround the tanker, they pull out the truck driver and drain the 70,000 gallons into the sewer.
	I did see a picture of that, yes.
	That was fantastic.
	That was fantastic, yeah.
	Can't wait.
	We're going there in a couple weeks.
	Can't wait.
	Can't wait.
	But it was interesting that Greece gets so screwed in the deal, you know?
	Like, what else can we do to...
	Hey, what do you guys want?
	Eh, we want to screw Greece some more.
	Oh, fine.
	They're like an ugly pimple on their ass anyway.
	Who cares?
	Who cares?
	So, yeah.
	So, just in my evaluation of the deal, it would be great for Europe.
	This is fantastic.
	Why would they not do it?
	It sounds like a good deal.
	No one read the agreement.
	Ukrainian feta and Ukrainian champagne and cheap fruits and vegetables.
	And gas that doesn't come from Russia.
	Gas that doesn't come from Russia.
	Come on.
	Chevron doing a deal.
	Chevron's making some money for us American shareholders.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah, that's a win-win-win-win.
	But of course, what this really is about, even Nigel Farage came to the Netherlands and spoke about himself.
	He didn't really talk about it.
	He said, this is just the appetizer.
	The Brexit will be the main course, which I think it kind of made the Dutch people go, what?
	This is important to us.
	What are you doing?
	What are you doing?
	I was listening to Dutch radio, and they were doing five-second spots before and after each, at the top and at the bottom of each commercial block.
	Vote yes for the Ukrainian Association Agreement.
	Do-do-do-do-do, then commercials, commercials, commercials.
	Vote yes!
	I mean, it was like that.
	Vote yes for the Ukrainian Association Agreement.
	That was really unbelievable.
	And along with that, as far as I'm concerned, perfect timing, perfect timing.
	I gotta tell you, when my sister, who lives in Umstelfen, she works retail, I don't give a shit.
	When she says, hey, how about those Panama Papers?
	Then you know some propaganda is working.
	Well, I'll say this much for the Panama Papers, which I should have teased in the newsletter.
	Um...
	I think this is going to be the most interesting one topic that we'll have on our show if it develops.
	I agree.
	Probably for the next six months.
	Because there's a million documents.
	I don't know how many terabytes of data.
	All this stuff.
	And we have all sorts of questions that need to be answered and asked and discussed.
	Before we transition in...
	Just the timing of it, and we'll leave this topic, the timing of it was very interesting in the three days ramping up to this referendum.
	The newspapers in the Netherlands and anything around it, certainly like The Guardian, were all focused on one thing.
	Panama Papers, Putin evil.
	Panama Papers, Putin evil.
	And the timing of that, maybe I'm giving the Netherlands too much credit, But the timing of it seemed a little obvious from a Dutch perspective that this came out.
	Oh, look how horrible Russia is.
	You better sign that agreement.
	That's no good.
	And then along with that comes unrefuted proof of how incredibly powerful these papers are because, oh, we had an Iceland guy resign over it.
	Oh, now everyone's on notice.
	And when I went to these Panama Papers, it's like you open up the webpage, and immediately it's like, oh, well this is a complete propaganda scam piece.
	Who goes about analyzing data leaks with infographics saying, we're just like WikiLeaks, only ten times bigger!
	Look at the big red blocks!
	Yeah.
	There's a bunch of weirdness about these papers, definitely.
	I have a backgrounder from BBC's Panorama, which I like because it's BBC. They're clearly all on board.
	The whole piece is dramatized with, you know, as they say they've accessed the actual documents themselves, which, of course, we haven't seen, and we'll get into that.
	They haven't, by the way.
	They say they have.
	They say they have.
	And they're showing pictures on monitors.
	You know what they made?
	It's like you.
	No, not you, because you actually accessed that.
	That referendum.
	Yeah, it's like everybody else.
	You can say, hey, Adam, I accessed 11 million documents.
	Yes, good work.
	So I saw a document.
	Yeah, that's it.
	That's what it means.
	11 million documents.
	There's a bunch of stuff that's going to happen out of these things.
	Let's listen to it.
	And it's been, by the way, kept...
	The Guardian, the BBC, all these guys, this has been kept from them.
	For a year.
	For a year.
	Well, not since 2014, but what I'm saying is that it wasn't, they weren't like the gatekeepers, like with Snowden and stuff, where the Guardian and the New York Times had to get the stuff cleared with the CIA, make sure they weren't printing anything that wasn't going to work out.
	CIA and White House.
	And White House.
	And White House.
	And so that worked out so poorly that these guys circumvented the whole system.
	And now, of course, we don't really know where the cash is.
	So this shows you the takeaway from BBC, which of course is propaganda.
	You see monitors everywhere with Putin's picture on it, Assad's picture on it.
	Neither of them are, as far as we know, mentioned in these documents at all.
	But that's what they're focusing on.
	A very, very over-dramatized explanation of the Panama Papers.
	Panama's carnival attracts visitors from around the world.
	But away from the lights, this place is a thriving tax haven.
	Investors come to Panama for secrecy.
	You can go to Panama and you can get a foundation or a trust or a company and you can use those complicated, slightly strange structures to hide.
	To hide!
	Listen, John.
	To hide!
	To hide!
	Slightly strange structures to hide and disguise ownership and control of assets.
	And now we can see how an enormous leak of files from this company, Mossack Fonseca, shows the reality of offshore.
	From outside, Mosek Fonseca looks like a perfectly respectable company.
	But this is a business that's helped people from around the world break the law.
	Break the law!
	The documents were leaked to the German newspaper Zurdeutsche Zeitung and shared with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists.
	Panorama has been analysing the documents.
	We found links to 72 current or former heads of state.
	They say they have...
	Access the documents, I guess.
	Like the Icelandic...
	They saw, yeah, they saw something.
	I'm done, yeah.
	If you can't read a 30,000-page bill within a few months, how are you going to go through 11 million documents?
	former heads of state, like the Icelandic prime minister, Sigmund Gunn-Larsson, who had a secret stake in an offshore company.
	The company held his wife's interests in Iceland's banks worth millions of dollars.
	Nobody knew that when her husband was dealing with the Icelandic banks after their collapse, including the British demands for compensation, which he turned down.
	Now, that was really important.
	Also for the Netherlands, because it was, if you recall, it was the Dutch and the British who would use the Icelandic Savings Bank for these huge interest payments, which were, you know, two double digits.
	And then they went bust.
	And then we, if you recall, John, we talked about a lot on the show.
	We had years, years of both the UK and the Netherlands saying, pay us back our money.
	Pay us back our money.
	You're crooks.
	And so then as the number one example comes the guy who actually possibly stole some money or whatever he did is.
	His wife had some money.
	It doesn't matter.
	The implication is the guy who fucked the UK and the Netherlands, he resigned over these Panama Papers.
	This is good stuff!
	...collapse, including the British demands for compensation, which he turned down.
	Because of the leak, we do now.
	He walked out when questioned by an Icelandic reporter.
	Mr Gunnlarsson is today facing calls for his resignation.
	He says he has not broken any rules and his wife didn't benefit financially from his decisions.
	Mossack Fonseca say the services they provide are commonly used worldwide and they are responsible members of the global financial and business community.
	But some of the deals in the files are extraordinary.
	We believe we have found a billion dollar laundering operation in Russia.
	This man, cellist Sergei Roldugin, a close friend of President Putin, was officially the owner Now listen to how they produce this piece, John.
	Listen to this bit.
	It's going to wind it up here.
	Listen to the music.
	Yeah, because it's the composer who's part of the money laundering scheme.
	Hear the music.
	The laundering operation in Russia.
	This man, cellist Sergei Roldugin, a close friend of President Putin...
	Was officially the owner of two secretive companies which benefited from suspicious deals.
	For example, an offshore company borrows six million dollars.
	Three months later, the loan is written off for just one dollar.
	Why would anyone want to give all this cash to a cellist?
	There's nothing that I have seen which would make me do anything other than say, stop, we need to investigate very closely what's going on here.
	To you, does it look like money laundering?
	Yes, it does look like money laundering to me, for sure.
	Mr.
	Roald Dugin hasn't answered our questions.
	Mossack Fonseca say they have a strong compliance record.
	Through the leak, the world can now see more clearly how the wealthy can hide their secrets.
	And up track!
	Richard Billson, BBC News.
	Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful production.
	Let's play a couple of other takes on this.
	Or actually, you want to take a quick...
	get our producers out of the way and then we go into these things in a little more depth?
	Wow, this is early, but I'm always...
	I'm saying that because this is going to drive over.
	I'm always in the mood to say...
	In the morning to you, John, say what the C stands for...
	Cash.
	Cash.
	Dvorak.
	B12. Yeah, no kidding.
	Yeah, it happens.
	Well, in the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	Also, in the morning, all ships to sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	Yo, in the morning to everybody in the chat room, noagendastream.com.
	Good to have you all here.
	Many people from New York, I see, checking in as well.
	Thank you to our artists who always bring us artwork just at the end of every single show, noagendaartgenerator.com, and we choose one for, we're probably the only podcast that does that, as far as I know.
	We want to thank Sir Slough.
	For the artwork for episode 813, the Clinton Condine.
	It was a nice ant artwork.
	Hello, my name is Bill.
	A little magnifying glass there for bad stuff to happen to him.
	Yeah, that's good.
	I liked it.
	It was a beautiful piece of work.
	We have a few people to thank as executive associate executive producers and a few more to thank when we discuss the event in New York.
	And so Sir Zander Hoxbergen, the Baron of the Alps, and Zandam, Netherlands 23456, will be an associate executive producer for the show.
	Oh, nice.
	And, hi guys, no messages.
	Thank you for your hard work.
	Baron of the Alps.
	I'm going to send him a little bit of karma.
	Don't ask for it.
	You've got karma.
	Anybody can use extra karma.
	Always room for extra karma.
	Yes, that's been our theory all along.
	JQ in Chicago, $200.
	I can't thank you guys enough.
	Your coverage of the world events is unparalleled with John's historical context and Adam's unique European perspective and the fact that both of you dig deeper and find sources for news that no lazy-ass mainstream journalist with shills seem to care to do is refreshing.
	And inspiring your recent coverage of the campaigns is excellent.
	I don't always share the same views as you, and you don't always share the same views as each other, and I think that's a good thing.
	I had recent conversations with family members and friends.
	I've had to excuse myself because I got too fired up.
	It seems to me most people on both right and left are no longer interested in conversation and productive dialogue.
	Most people just want to be around people that agree with them so they can shut their ears and justify their own unjustifiable positions and shake their head at the rest of the world.
	You're either a money-grubbing homophobic racist or a condescending PC douchebag.
	Well, it's not that simple.
	At least not for me.
	That's our two-party system, everybody.
	And while they are distracted arguing over the imaginary divide of our corporate one-party system, nothing really changes.
	Bernie supporters kind of get it.
	Here, pillar retards definitely do not.
	It's a horrible name.
	I tried to explain this to my Bernie-loving cousin, who was the most receptive of the family.
	I tried to punch her in the mouth, and she was interested.
	But she responded by saying she was worried I was getting too much of my media from, and these are her words, a shock jock atmosphere.
	Shock, shock, shock atmosphere.
	Shock jock.
	Shock jock.
	I'm so shocking.
	Shock jock.
	Take a look at my shock jock.
	She then sent me a bunch of links to democracy now.
	Wow.
	Talk about that.
	Now that's a shock jock show right there.
	I tried to explain that they were complicit media.
	You must have someone deconstructing the news that does not take advertising dollars.
	And for the shock jock atmosphere, it's not worth trying to explain irony to someone who just can't feel it.
	Anyway, keep up with the great work.
	A little karma for the second human resource on the way.
	Yes, of course.
	Thank you so much, JQ. It's appreciated.
	You've got karma.
	Very nice.
	Good note.
	Yeah, it was good.
	And you're right.
	When you feel the rage, you've got to back off.
	Just back off.
	Your friends and family...
	You don't want to argue with people that are so uninformed.
	It's very easy to do.
	You just kind of listen and then you can use it later with people who are informed.
	Did you hear what she said?!
	And get your kicks out.
	It's really best to just realize they really believe what they're seeing.
	It's their reality.
	It's the programming that has been put into their processor.
	We had an Uber driver in Manhattan.
	How was that?
	I don't know if he's Middle Eastern or what, but he was so in on Hillary.
	And his logic was that...
	Now, which Dvorak's were in the car?
	All of us.
	Oh, this poor guy.
	No, no, we were like, this guy was so off to deep end, no one wanted to say anything.
	Not even you?
	Because he's driving us, you know.
	Oh yeah, you're right.
	Good point, good point.
	The guy irked up.
	But it was just outrageous.
	Anyway, I'll just talk about that later.
	Ron Noren in Vluten.
	Vluten.
	Vluten?
	Vluten.
	Vluten.
	Netherlands, another Dutch.
	200.
	200.
	Listener since show 725, so long overdue for value for value donation.
	Please de-douche me.
	You got it.
	You've been de-douched.
	I work for a Dutch SAP... You there?
	Yeah.
	I'm here.
	I'm here.
	I work for a Dutch SAP something consulting firm called Inter Dobbs and was hit in the mouth by two of my co-workers, obviously more SAP workers.
	We've got them.
	Xavier Hacking and Ronald Koningsenberg.
	Hold on a second.
	Xavier Hocking and Ronald Konijnenberg.
	Konijnenberg.
	Means Rabbit Mountain.
	Please call out these two guys.
	Call out Ronald as a douchebag.
	Douchebag!
	Because he's never donated.
	Oh, what a horrible...
	Oh, no.
	Since episode one!
	Oh, no!
	Please continue your efforts at debunking this media bullcrap.
	Can I get a tuto that he's got?
	I've one too many clips.
	Take it short, Timmy.
	Adam can take four out of seven.
	Too delicious to believe.
	Don't eat me, Hillary Clinton.
	Can you see the juice?
	Hillary cackle.
	Beautiful yum.
	I give you Bernie Sanders and please clap.
	Holy crap.
	Don't eat me, Hillary Clinton!
	Oh my gosh!
	Can you see that juice?
	No!
	Beautiful.
	Yum.
	I give you Bernie Sanders.
	Please clap.
	You've got karma.
	You did them all.
	I did.
	Of course, they were all short.
	That was a plus.
	Yes, I did them all.
	But you set a bad precedent and now you have to live with them.
	You were reading.
	I'm like, oh, I can find these.
	I know I can do this.
	I know I can do this.
	I got them.
	I found them.
	Done.
	Nailed it.
	We have no note from...
	Wait, who have we got here?
	This is Sean Regalado in Saranac Lake, New Jersey.
	New York, New York.
	Saranac Lake, New York, New York.
	Yeah, New York, New York.
	Sean Regalado.
	Let me see if I can find him on the...
	I'm going to give him some karma because that's probably something everybody needs today.
	You've got karma.
	All right.
	Regalado.
	How do you spell it?
	R-E-G-A-L-A-D-O. Regalado.
	Regalado.
	Donated a lot with tears.
	And he's got no special note, though.
	Okay.
	He's donated since August 2015.
	He's donated consistently.
	Once or twice a month.
	But no note.
	But no note.
	Anyway, that's our group there for associate executive producers.
	We do have a few more to mention when we get into the bonus segment on the event in Manhattan, which produced two executive producers and maybe three, actually.
	I'm not sure.
	We will go over that when we get there.
	Meanwhile, let's get back.
	Before we move on, the little PR mention, I received in the mail the other day a brand new No Agenda novel by Sir Scott McKenzie.
	Now, you'll recall Sir Scott has done...
	Let's see.
	One Day in Gitmo Nation, A Gitmo Nation Christmas Carol.
	Ben, he's written here the short stories, The Foot on the Shore, Death by Autopen, The 90-Year-Old Assassin, Perp Walk, Conscience for Sale, And he lives in Cheshire, UK, and he has a job, and he likes doing stuff other than writing.
	It's just a hobby for him.
	But he has now published his new book, which I read in about an hour and a half.
	I loved it so much.
	It's called The Boy with Involuntary Social Network Disorder.
	Great title.
	Well, it's our word.
	We came up with the involuntary social network disorder.
	And no agenda novel by Scott McKenzie.
	I'll read the blurb on the back.
	Patty's just a regular guy.
	He drinks beer, watches football, chases girls, and posts everything about himself online.
	Then he meets Laura.
	But he's shocked to discover that she lives her life almost entirely offline.
	She doesn't use social networks and doesn't even have a mobile phone.
	But despite Laura's differences from every other girl he's known, Patty is drawn to her, and she opens his eyes to the world around him.
	He discovers how social networks can be used to manipulate the public, and he finds himself faced with decisions that could lead him to abandon everyone and everything he knows for the chance of love and a real purpose in his life.
	Great blurb.
	It's a page-turner.
	It's really good.
	It's a love story.
	It's great, I have to say.
	I'm so proud that this has come out of our show.
	We have our artwork and our jingles and our songs and the books.
	It's beautiful.
	That will be around for a long time.
	It's physical.
	Right there.
	So you can find that at Amazon.com, also available Kindle, The Boy with Involuntary Social Network Disorder.
	I recommend getting the printed book, though.
	I think that's much more fun to have.
	Yeah, I think so.
	So we congratulate you, Scott.
	When I was back, when I was meeting with one of my pals in the publishing business, also an agent, The Kindles, everyone knows in New York, they're kind of relieved and they don't want to talk about it too much, but the hardcover and softcover, the books, the printed books are now taking hold back with the public and they're picking up.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Is that just like...
	E-books flat.
	Yeah, that sounds a bit like what the music business is saying.
	Hey, vinyl's coming back, man.
	It's going to be great.
	Yeah, I'm not buying it.
	He does say that they're living in something of a dream world.
	I'm not buying it.
	Anyway, congratulations, Sir Scott.
	I'm very proud.
	And John, you'll get a kick out of this.
	There's all these little no-agenda bits that are woven throughout the whole novel.
	I'll give you an example.
	She looked up from her kale salad.
	Stuff like that.
	It's beautiful.
	There's some see-somethings, say-somethings in there.
	There's all kinds of great stuff.
	You will totally enjoy that.
	So we're going to give karma to Sir Scott for that and to our associate executive...
	I'm sorry?
	Meme-laden.
	Meme-laden, indeed.
	Not burdened, but laden.
	Also, of course, karma for our associate executive producers.
	We highly appreciate what you do.
	These are real credits, and that's why we mentioned them at the beginning of the program.
	Here is your karma.
	You've got Carmen.
	And remember, we have another show coming up on Sunday.
	Dvorak.org slash N-A. Even if you don't have the finances, or if you can't write novels, you can always be out there prop getting the formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	In the morning.
	In the morning.
	Shut up.
	Slay you.
	Question for you.
	Quick question.
	Indeed.
	If the Earth is not flat, why do we still talk about the four corners of the Earth?
	Well, I think that refers to the different continents.
	The only question I have for today.
	There's not that many comments.
	The only question I have.
	Don't worry about it.
	Just got to throw that in once in a while, man.
	Got to keep the kooks coming.
	Yeah, the kooks will keep coming.
	All right, so let's go back to the...
	Okay, we're going to talk about the Panama Papers for a little bit here.
	What part would you like me to take?
	Because you know the stuff I've done.
	I've done the Form 990s and all that.
	So if you're interested in that, let me know.
	Okay, here's a couple of things.
	Let's start with this so we have a little...
	Well, no, wait.
	Let's start with the...
	Let's start with the name.
	Panama Papers is a brilliant choice because it is a callback...
	It's absolutely fabulous.
	It's a callback...
	Let me say a couple of things right off the top.
	This was, as far as I'm concerned, you can tell me what you think.
	This was orchestrated by a major, major intelligence agency.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And all this nonsense about, oh, I'm going to give you the papers, but I'm afraid for my life.
	And all this bull crap.
	We don't know who, you know, there's like a big mystery who came up with this.
	This was an intelligence agency gambit.
	It's too big, too crazy.
	Can I just say something?
	We have boots on the ground in Panama as a backgrounder.
	One of our producers is a lawyer and has residence in Panama.
	And he immediately said, Adam, I don't know what's going on, but the last year, the Panamanian government and the financial sector has worked so hard to satisfy all these levels of security and transparency for the United States government.
	They had just done all this.
	Okay, good.
	You guys are all transparent.
	And then, boom, this happens.
	That coincidence is crazy.
	That's another one.
	This is all very well-schemed, very well-schemed.
	I'm not absolutely sure, though, whether it is CIA, NSA, or MI6, or Russia, for that matter.
	FSB. So if we just follow the money for a moment...
	The ICIJ is just a brand.
	It's not a company or anything.
	It really is the Center for Public Integrity.
	And if you go to the ICIJ.org website and you want to donate, your donation is going to the Center for Public Integrity, which does about $7 million a year, which is not a lot if you claim to be funding 400 independent journalists for over a year working on these papers.
	But, okay, the main funders, we can go through the whole list, but you've probably already heard Open Society Foundation, which is Soros, it's the Ford Foundation, Rothschild Charity, The, let's see, the one that I like the most, or the two that I like the most, is USAID. So, I'm thinking that's where our spy group is coming from.
	And keep your eye on Don Raff, Glenn Greenwald.
	Glenn Greenwald is not saying much about this, even though Pierre Omidyar DriveMyCar is also financing this operation.
	So, it's all of the typical elites.
	So, how can you ever think this is something that's real?
	Well, it's real.
	Oh, it's real, but the stuff that's being done here is not necessarily illegal.
	In fact...
	Well, let's take a look at that.
	Before taking a look at it, let's listen to what the president had to say about it.
	I have that clip too, but you can play your version.
	In the news over the last couple of days, we've had another reminder in this big dump of data coming out of Panama that tax avoidance is a big global problem.
	Aha, that would be the message, and the president's clearly on board.
	It's not unique to other countries because, frankly, there are folks here in America who are taking advantage of the same stuff.
	A lot of it's legal, but that's exactly the problem.
	A lot of it's legal.
	Clip number two from the president.
	There is no doubt that the problem of global tax avoidance generally...
	Is a huge problem.
	It's been brought up in G7 meetings.
	It's been brought up in G20 meetings.
	There has been some progress made in coordinating between tax authorities in different countries so that we can make sure that we're catching some of the most egregious examples.
	But as I said before, one of the big problems that we have, Michael, is that a lot of this stuff is legal, not illegal.
	Yeah, he keeps emphasizing that.
	Yeah, it's legal.
	Which makes me wonder how deep he's in.
	Well, that is a good point.
	So maybe he's not running the show.
	So one of our producers on Twitter published this list of why you use these systems.
	This is Ansela.
	Oh, Anselatilla, yeah?
	And so this list was dynamite.
	And so I decided to just read it off as it is a...
	This is a Why Use a Shell Corporation infographic.
	And it goes to legit to illegal.
	And I'm going to read them in order of the legit ones, the ones that are legal that Obama's talking about.
	And I can say by looking just at this list, and the way I've always seen it, you don't do this stuff because you want to be legit and legal.
	You're not doing this just for tax avoidance, usually.
	A lot of the times you are.
	That's not legal, by the way.
	So he's not talking about that.
	What's he talking about?
	That's legal.
	Let's look at the legal ones and work our way to the worst of the worst.
	Starting with, this is right at the top, to protect trade secrets.
	Your high-profile cybercorp wants to invest in a new tech.
	Competitors might beat you to it unless a shell conceals your investment.
	Ah, okay.
	Good point.
	Good point.
	Competitive advantage, yeah.
	That would work.
	And you could do that without having to go to a Panamanian company.
	Yeah, you could do it anywhere, except Panama might have...
	Morris and Forrester will do that.
	But you might as well do it in Panama because it's cheaper tax-wise.
	Well, one thing that was brought out is that all these big banks, your buddies at HSBC, whatever it is, HSBC, the money launderers.
	The money launderers, USB, Credit Suisse, all these guys are involved with this company.
	So when you went to them saying, hey, you know, I got to set up a shell to protect my, you know, investment, anyone noticing that I'm putting all my money over here...
	They would do the deal with Panama.
	So anyway.
	Okay, that's number one.
	That's probably the most legitimate reason.
	Then the next one is to keep your brand strong.
	As a toy company wants to buy a supplier that also makes sex aids, buying through a shell keeps concerned moms in the dark.
	Do the Chinese, it's like Foxconn, do they make sex aids?
	They might.
	But everybody does open business with Foxconn, so that doesn't count.
	Okay, now it's going to get a little more interesting.
	To resist price gouging.
	Making a blockbuster movie sequel?
	Book locations through a shell so hotels don't charge you an inflated Hollywood studio rate.
	Okay, seems like a long way to go.
	Well, it's possible.
	I'm going to set up a shell just so I can get a better hotel price.
	No.
	It's for tax avoidance.
	And now we're starting to get into gray areas.
	To avoid kidnapping.
	Oh, yes.
	Service provides to the U.S. government in a foreign hot spot a shell coming to keep your officer's identity secret and off hit lists.
	To hide assets from a future ex.
	Divorce getting messy, you can't sue.
	Oh, damn!
	Where was this Panama advice before I got divorced?
	I'm so stupid.
	Divorce getting messy, you can't sue for the island house if he doesn't know you bought it.
	I know.
	Okay.
	Now here we go.
	To go bankrupt and stay rich.
	Bankruptcy courts are like ex-spouses.
	They can't take what they don't know exists.
	That's cheating the system.
	You're cheating the courts.
	That's actually illegal.
	Now there's all illegal.
	So there's only maybe a couple legitimate reasons.
	Obama's full of shit is what I'm trying to say.
	Yeah.
	Okay, number, here we go.
	To evade taxes, it's cheaper to pay Bermuda fees for an anonymous account than to declare your revenues and give the IRS a big cut.
	Ask a Fortune 500 company.
	Brought to bribe officials.
	Can't do business in Russia without lining some pockets using an anonymous slush fund.
	Just don't get caught like Hewlett-Packard did.
	Okay?
	Worse.
	To manipulate markets.
	Now this one...
	That's a big one.
	That's a big one.
	Own a bunch of cheap stocks.
	Start a boiler room scam to bid up the price.
	Use a shell to dump your shares at a huge profit.
	Sifling buyers.
	You can...
	This has been going on...
	Since the stock markets existed, I'm sure.
	There's a lot of companies, and I would name a couple.
	I've watched them do it, although you can't prove anything.
	But I remember when Jack Tramiel was running, I forget which company, one of the many, the Commodore.
	Commodore would bring out, it was great.
	Their stock was like in three bucks.
	Is this before the Commodore 64?
	This is during the era after the 64.
	Okay, the 128.
	The 128, some of these other things.
	Now, I remember watching this one.
	This is great.
	I said, holy mackerel.
	Commodore came out and said they're going to bring out a PC kind of a clone, and they showed a PC, and they showed pictures and images and all this stuff.
	This thought skyrocketed to like 12 or 15 from 3.
	Let me guess, big sell-off.
	It went way up.
	Yeah, and then people sold off?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	No, it was going.
	It was headed up.
	Okay.
	And then Commodore, you have to be, if you're going to manipulate the market, you have to have control.
	You just don't, you know, pump and dumps are like risky.
	This way, it's like you pump and you do as a pump and dump, but it goes like, but it's legal.
	It's totally legal to do what they did.
	It's not legal to trade on this information.
	So you could trade it through a shell company if you had one.
	Gotcha.
	Gotcha.
	And so you announced the new products of these families.
	Can I stop you there?
	Can we then also presume that members of Congress who are completely immune from investing based on insider information because they're making the insider information, can I presume that there may be some congressmen and women and senators who would have this construction set up for themselves?
	They don't need to.
	They don't need to?
	No, because they're immune from...
	Right, but they don't like prying eyes.
	No.
	Okay.
	I don't think so.
	That's why there's not that many Americans involved.
	I don't think we're going to see maybe a few hundred.
	We're running the show.
	That's why there's no Americans involved.
	Who did we bring up?
	We brought up David Geffen.
	That would be a possibility.
	Well, I'm going to say right now what I think you're going to find in these papers.
	You're going to find the Bernie Madoff money.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	And I think Bernie Madoff money has got something to do with this.
	I think somebody in one of these agencies got burned by Bernie, and this was a part of a scheme to find the money, because they know that Bernie squirreled the money away.
	They can't find a nickel of it.
	And then what are they going to do?
	They're going to go confiscate it?
	Yeah!
	It's got to be a lot of dough.
	It's probably 20, 30 million.
	No, billion.
	Billion.
	Billion, yeah.
	All right, let me get back to the scheme.
	So you make this announcement.
	And then a stock goes from 3 to 12.
	And then, you know, I say two weeks.
	It doesn't even take that long.
	Two weeks later, you pull it and say, we're not going to do the product.
	Stock falls back to 3.
	Just like buying opportunity.
	Just like, well, to do it again.
	It's just, it goes up.
	You say, no, we're not going to do it.
	It goes down.
	Now, I looked into this when it happened.
	And I found out that you can do, it's legal in the United States to do what's called dry testing.
	And dry testing is to announce a product to see if there's any interest.
	Right.
	And if the interest isn't what you want it to be, whatever that is, you can just pull the product and it's not like you've done anything illegal.
	In politics, it's called the trial balloon.
	This is a trial balloon.
	And so the product is announced.
	Coincidentally, the stock goes flying, and then the product is unannounced, and the stock goes right back down.
	You could be on the long side just before the announcement to a shell company and then be on the short side when you pull the product.
	And it's a very simple mechanism, and you can make so much money doing that.
	And this is one of these illegal mechanisms, which is not helping the stock market anywhere in the world.
	Anyway, that's the way you can do it.
	Alright, onward.
	To bribe officials to manipulate Marx.
	Then we get to cover fraud.
	You run an oil-rich country and make millions selling crude off the books.
	Buy your bling through a shell company.
	This means Erdogan's going to show up on the list.
	He's going to show up.
	Now we're getting even worse.
	To deal drugs or arms.
	How else are these paramilitary rebels supposed to pay you for these stolen RPGs and AK-47s?
	And then the last one on the list, to finance terror.
	Yeah, my favorite.
	So most of the things on this, the reason you want these shell companies is illegal.
	And then, you know, of course...
	These 11 million documents not only talk about the Shell company, but it apparently goes deeper and gives you some insight into the scams going on and play this clip.
	This is FIFA. You know, you say the Iceland guy.
	This is the guys who got busted.
	FIFA and the Panamanian papers.
	You're so right when I think about it.
	Who gives a crap about Iceland?
	Football!
	That's what we really care about.
	Squirrel, you have my attention.
	Well, a top FIFA world soccer official has resigned in the fallout from the Panama Papers leaks.
	Juan Pedro Damiani was an ethics committee member.
	He was named in the leaks and he is now under investigation.
	And the man at the top of FIFA, Gianni Infantino, this gentleman right here, he's also in the firing line tonight.
	Swiss police raided the headquarters of European football's governing body, UEFA, on Wednesday.
	They were looking for a document that Infantino signed during his time there.
	It was a TV rights deal with a company whose owners have since been accused of fraud.
	It has raised, of course, a lot of questions.
	Can soccer's governing bodies, FIFA, UEFA, really clean up their act?
	Yeah, you're right.
	You're right.
	So, it's just probably everybody is in this database one way or the other.
	Well, everybody who's trying to scam their way through this, this wasn't like a tax thing, the FIFA, UEFA, whatever it is, deal.
	It was just embezzlement for all practical purposes.
	And there's going to be a lot of that.
	That's what these shells are good for.
	They're good for all kinds of fancy footwork.
	And by the way, which is kind of shocking to me, these people are supposed to be our leaders, right?
	The guy who runs FIBA is supposed to be our...
	He's a leader.
	He's doing this service for the soccer-loving public.
	And these other people are supposed to be our leaders.
	And this bullcrap Cameron's involved.
	These people are...
	The leadership of the world...
	Is involved in this.
	Is all involved in this, and they're all corrupt.
	This is not really a pleasant thing to witness.
	And this is going to get worse as they go through these, I don't know how many shell companies there were.
	There was thousands.
	And every one of them is a scam of some sort.
	And the tax avoidance thing, I think, has really got not much to do with it.
	All the legal uses, I doubt there's very many that were done for the purposes of avoiding a divorce settlement or something along those simplistic lines.
	I'm sure there's a couple.
	But for the most part, people whose names crop up are going to be criminal.
	And the ones they've already brought up are already in jail for some other financial crime, which means that's just the tip of the real iceberg, which has got to be a whopper.
	Now, exactly where Soros and these guys and this journalist's operation, they may have been also kind of set up.
	Hmm.
	By having their being associated with what's going to happen.
	Well, I'll have to say right off the bat, this came from Germany.
	BND are heralded in the intelligence community as top notch.
	That's their intelligence agency.
	BND is very, very, very good.
	So you've got to keep eyes on them.
	Well, they may have been behind it.
	Possibly.
	Because the stuff went to Germany.
	It didn't go to any other outlet to do them a favor.
	Of course, it could be all misdirection.
	This has got so much intrigue.
	And how is this not theft of a commercial company's property?
	How is this not theft?
	Have you seen the CEO of this?
	Yeah, the guy's like shitting himself.
	We've been robbed.
	Yeah, no one cares.
	We've been robbed of our shit.
	Yeah, he's moaning like crazy.
	We've been robbed of our stuff.
	This is a horrible hack no one's talking about.
	I know.
	It's insane.
	There's not a word about cyber anywhere in relation to this story.
	Not at all how it was done.
	Just, oh, some deep source.
	The Germans got it.
	They gave it to the German media, who are pretty darn good at propaganda.
	Did you know that in Germany it is an offense, a finable and jailable, imprisonable offense, if you insult a world leader or a head of state publicly?
	I didn't know this, but it is...
	I did know this?
	Yes, the guy who insulted, there's a comedian, and he did some poem about Erdogan, and he's being investigated to be thrown in jail, and they pulled the whole thing...
	In Germany?
	Yes, in Deutschland, yeah.
	Because I thought it was illegal.
	I know it's illegal in Turkey, even though it's not supposed to be.
	So you remember those puppets they did in England?
	Yes, Spitting Image, exactly.
	And that's coming back, by the way.
	That's coming back.
	I predict it now, Spitting Image is coming back.
	It's a cycle.
	It's time.
	It's time for that.
	Television, entertainment cycle.
	You know, the images are great, and the puppets are fantastic.
	I think the writing needs improvement.
	That's really the weak spot.
	Yeah, possibly.
	I'm looking for the...
	Oh, here I have it.
	Yeah, it's a German television poll satire.
	Let me see.
	The Wall Street Journal had an article about it.
	But this is a scandal.
	Yeah, well, it's German law.
	I didn't realize this.
	But you're not allowed to publicly insult another head of state.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Well, Trump would be doomed over there.
	He sure would.
	He sure would.
	Yeah.
	That's kind of crazy.
	Yes.
	Anyway, so let's look at the way our media looked at this thing.
	Here's PBS on the Panama Papers.
	You'd think PBS NewsHour would have probably in-depth coverage with a lot of explanation about what's going on.
	They could have just purchased the BBC Panorama package and done a US voiceover.
	They could have run the Panorama package and they could have put a whiteboard up and maybe drew a few arrows, but...
	Yeah.
	Or one of those sketches go...
	You know, one of those fast animated sketches?
	I do test those.
	Okay, here we go.
	More world leaders found themselves on the defensive today over offshore investments.
	They were detailed this week in a massive leak of documents, the so-called Panama Papers.
	British Prime Minister David Cameron said today that his family will not benefit from offshore funds or trusts in the future.
	And in Tokyo, Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko said that his offshore holdings were a blind trust that he created once he took office.
	The only purpose of that was a transparent separation business of the Ukrainian president from any political influence.
	This is absolutely normal procedure.
	And I think this is the main difference from blaming all the political figures in this Panama list.
	Also today, the documents leak led police in Switzerland to raid the headquarters of European soccer's governing body.
	They're focused on a TV contract that could be linked to a bribery scandal.
	Allow me to summarize up to this point, because I like the deconstruction you're doing.
	So we have to figure out which intelligence agency or agencies or units, let me just summarize, are behind this.
	Because I agree with you.
	Everyone is corrupt.
	They're all corrupt.
	The president included.
	And that's why he said, hey, it's not illegal.
	It's not illegal.
	Stuff I was maybe doing was not illegal.
	So someone is using this as the ultimate blackmailing tool.
	The twist you threw onto that, which I like a lot, is the Bernie Madoff money.
	Which I'm sure brings in a whole nother...
	It certainly brings in celebrities and other people that are great for media attention for any topic.
	But really, this is foreign policy by blackmail.
	It doesn't even have to be...
	They might not even have documents, for all I know.
	We don't know.
	In fact, you could be right, but I think there's something.
	Here's a couple of things about that.
	I was really disturbed by the PBS report.
	They used the term offshore investment as though you're buying some stock in the Brazilian oil company.
	I know you're investing in your own shell company.
	This is not an offshore investment.
	Let's start with that.
	It's not an investment at all.
	Right.
	And then she says, so-called Panama Papers.
	And you use this.
	This is a propaganda term.
	Ah, very good point.
	Good catch.
	You only use the term so-called to kind of marginalize what you're going to say next.
	Oh, you have some...
	Oh, I see, Adam.
	What are you drinking?
	Oh, Adam, oh, you're drinking some so-called wine?
	It's a pre-disparaging comment.
	Yeah.
	Oh, you're having some so-called champagne?
	And that's exactly what you say to me often.
	I do.
	Well, that's because of all of you.
	Oh, that's so-called champagne you're drinking, correct?
	So-called.
	So-called caviar.
	It's not so-called.
	It is the Panama Papers.
	That's what they're called.
	They're not so-called.
	Well, hold on a second, man.
	Where's my...
	Here it is.
	Check out the words.
	You There's no mention again.
	If anyone out there wants to listen to any of these reports, you're going to still hear nothing about the potential.
	So-called podcaster.
	So-called podcasters.
	Bernie Madoff, not mentioned, of course.
	And that piece was so soft-pedaled.
	I want to listen to it again now that you've done that for us.
	Okay.
	Let's do it again.
	Listen to how soft-pedaled it is.
	And it's just like, well, this is happening, but who gives a shit?
	More world leaders found themselves on the defensive today over offshore investments.
	They were detailed this week in a massive leak of documents, the so-called Panama Papers.
	British Prime Minister David Cameron said today that his family will not benefit from offshore funds or trusts in the future.
	So, he's all over it.
	This is problematic.
	In the future, they're not going to benefit from it.
	It's no big deal.
	Not in the future.
	In the future, we won't do that.
	And in Tokyo, Ukraine's president, Petro Poroshenko, said that his offshore holdings were a blind trust that he created once he took office.
	Yeah, that's probably also a heads up, because every single politician who has an elected seat, you know, they go through this, oh, put it in a blind trust.
	Blind trust is not one of these deals.
	No, exactly.
	Exactly.
	Blind trust is, Goldman Sachs does it for you, or the Vantage Fund, or whatever it's called.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The only purpose of that was a transparent separation business agreement.
	Of the Ukrainian president from any political influence.
	Yes.
	This is absolutely normal procedure.
	And I think this is the main difference.
	Nothing to see here.
	Normal procedure.
	Nothing to see here.
	Don't look over here.
	Nothing to see here.
	Ooh, look at that!
	I think this is the main difference from blaming all the political figures in these panamalists.
	Also today, the documents leak led police in Switzerland to raid the headquarters of European soccer's governing body.
	They're focused on a TV contract that could be linked to a bribery scandal.
	Could be.
	So now I'm very...
	See, this is what triggered me.
	I'm thinking that this is bigger than anyone wants to imagine.
	This was just the kickoff.
	This was the kickoff media blitz.
	And it was soft-pedaled.
	There's nothing going on.
	Don't worry about it.
	That's the American public's getting, by the way, from all media.
	As if, if you know what's really, you know, have some sense of this, you immediately have to say to yourself, whoa!
	This is not the way to report things.
	But what's interesting is, because I was so focused on European press for the Dutch referendum, they're all in.
	Oh, totally.
	They're all a-holes.
	Everybody.
	No one noticed that neither American prominent politicians or celebrities were mentioned, nor were there any Dutch mentioned.
	Yeah, they're forthcoming.
	Yeah, forthcoming.
	They're like, oh, there's 24 people in the database.
	It's all forthcoming.
	But they're all in.
	They're all in.
	Oh, we believe it.
	Anything that comes out of that database in Europe, I'm just going to assert, will be believed.
	100%.
	Well, I don't know how much is actually going to come out.
	But let's go on to Democracy Now!, which takes this a little differently.
	They're kind of on it, but they're not...
	They're not, uh, they don't, they're still more concerned about gay rights.
	Yeah, I got some stuff on that for us too.
	So democracy now, the Panama Papers and Obama, there's also the Obama quotes in here too, but you had a better version with the longer Obama hemming and hawing about how, it's actually legal, it's legal.
	We gotta cut through, we gotta, this is all legal, what's going on, and we just need to fix the loopholes.
	You can take that to the bank.
	His soundbites are going to be pretty ugly, man, when his blind trust floats to the top.
	Iceland's prime minister has resigned, becoming the first major casualty of the Panama Papers' revelations.
	I love the word casualty.
	It's a good one.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Yeah, I totally agree with you.
	Leaked documents from the Panama-based law firm...
	Hit by a truck.
	What?
	Say what?
	Hit by a truck.
	...of the Panama Papers' revelations.
	Leaked documents from the Panama-based law firm, Mossack Fonseca, revealed that the Prime Minister, Sigmundr David Gunnlaugsen, owned an offshore company with his wife, which he failed to declare when he entered Parliament.
	He's accused of concealing millions of dollars worth of family assets.
	Gunnlaugsen's resignation followed the largest public demonstrations in Iceland's history.
	We'll go to Reykjavik for more on Iceland later in the broadcast.
	Meanwhile, President Obama's spoken out about the Panama Papers while urging Congress to close tax loopholes known as inversions in which U.S. corporations agree to be bought by foreign companies simply to avoid paying U.S. taxes.
	The Treasury Department has unveiled new regulations to try to limit this process.
	On Tuesday, Obama said that many in the United States were taking advantage of legal loopholes to avoid U.S. taxes.
	We've had another reminder in this big dump of data coming out of Panama that tax avoidance is a big global problem.
	It's not unique to other countries because, frankly, there are folks here in America who are taking advantage of the same stuff.
	A lot of it's legal, but that's exactly the problem.
	It's not that they're breaking the laws, it's that the laws are so poorly designed that they allow people, if they've got enough lawyers and enough accountants, to wiggle out of responsibilities that ordinary citizens are having to abide by.
	Yeah, it's thin, but it sounded to me like, oh, you know, the Obama administration was all over this tax thing, coincidentally, and have just kind of set up some kind of thing that we're not going to go in depth on, but they're all over this inversion thing.
	Well, of course, this has nothing to do with inversion whatsoever.
	No.
	But do you want me to continue with the clip?
	And he liked to put the two together, because inversion's a big deal, and there happens to be this giant inversion play out there right now with Pfizer and Allergan.
	I have an Irish drug company that Pfizer is trying to sell itself to them and become an Irish company, and we're not going for that.
	No, not happening.
	Right, but they're kind of binding that into these Panama companies.
	Yeah, because it's easier to deal with, and now we can soft-play these documents again.
	Also on Tuesday, pharmaceutical giant Pfizer reportedly decided to abandon plans to merge with the Ireland-based drugmaker Allergan following the unveiling of the Treasury Department's new rules.
	The deal would have allowed Pfizer to avoid billions in U.S. taxes and would have been one of the largest corporate inversions in U.S. history.
	This comes as the Panama Papers have revealed at least 200 U.S. citizens We're good to go.
	Since the beginning of the publication of the Panama Papers on Sunday, many have questioned why more U.S. citizens and companies have not been named in the articles analyzing more than 11.5 million secret files.
	You can go to democracynow.org to see our full discussion about the Panama Papers yesterday.
	Did you go there?
	Did you find out anything?
	Did you learn about it?
	In Europe, refugees continue to stage protests to demand countries.
	You can stop.
	I don't know why it was continuing, but a couple things.
	First, they named two guys who were in jail already.
	So that's kind of a safe bet.
	You don't have to worry about demeaning anybody.
	There's others that have to be named.
	I'm not sure what they're...
	I think it's going to be...
	I don't want to say or predict any particular names except for the Bernie Madoff name.
	But I can think of a number of athletes who probably got involved in this.
	Athletes, professional athletes who make millions and millions and are worth close to a billion dollars in some instances are suckers for this stuff.
	How about this to expand?
	What if the Madoff money, which you've all been led to believe was a Ponzi scheme, which was a pretty easy excuse, what if that was actually laundered for the drugs?
	Possible.
	And everybody knew it.
	Like, this is, we're making money hand over foot here.
	So they had a double-double, this is real conspiratorial, but they had a double-double booking system.
	So they made it look like they were doing a Ponzi scheme, but really everyone was benefiting.
	Ponzi scheme is a front for money laundering.
	Right.
	It's pretty extreme, but it's a funny idea.
	Why not?
	And everybody was, I can see Kevin Bacon going, drug money?
	Hell yeah!
	I'm a consumer.
	Come on, let's do it.
	Well, in Panama, you know, where Noriega was once running the place is a notorious hub, even though they play it up as a financial hub.
	I'm afraid to call Uncle Don about this one.
	This is not a good idea.
	I shouldn't be talking to him about anything Panama or Nicaragua related.
	Probably not.
	We're going to have to go on our own on this one.
	I think so.
	I expect more and more stuff to come out.
	Now, Deutsche Welle had a nice little exposition on this, and they're German, so I think, you know, it still doesn't do the job of the list that Ansela had on her tweet, but...
	But it's at least getting closer, but we're not seeing anything like what you're going to hear on DW in the United States.
	I don't know how long they're going to be able to put this off, but this reminds me of how they...
	Remember during the early days of Occupy?
	Mm-hmm.
	We were like the only two people that were...
	Talking about it.
	Talking about it.
	Yeah, there was zero.
	Zero, zero, zero.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so let's hear this and then I rap.
	That's correct.
	Here in Germany, the German Justice Minister Heiko Maas says the cover-up must end.
	He announced plans for a national register that would force shell companies to reveal the identity of its owners.
	That's a response to the Panama Papers, which, as you know, Wow.
	Most are, in fact, located in the British Virgin Islands, which is a UK territory, though not subject to EU law.
	Another favorite tax haven for the firm are the islands off the coast of East Africa, known as the Seychelles, Also a very nice place to go on holidays if you're a millionaire.
	Now, Mossack Fonseca has opened accounts all over the world, in the United States, Europe and Asia.
	And it's done it with the help of hundreds of banks.
	More than 500 banks from around the world set up offshore companies for their clients through the Mossack Fonseca law firm in Panama.
	The banks include big names like British financial giant HSBC, Swiss banks Credit Suisse and UBS, along with French lender Société Générale.
	At least 28 German banks allegedly took part in the dealings, including Germany's largest lender Deutsche Bank.
	Customers holding offshore accounts in Panama can now expect to hear from authorities.
	Well, we need to investigate the individual cases where they've got people holding their money offshore.
	You know, some of it will be technically legal.
	I'm sure some of it won't be.
	But we need accountability.
	You know, if you are a rich, powerful individual and you're not paying your taxes by having your money offshore, that is fundamentally unfair.
	It undermines our democracy, but also means that we don't have the money that's needed for public services.
	Some of the banks involved have already stressed that setting up offshore companies is not illegal and business activities are strictly regulated.
	And the role banks play in helping their customers hide money comes as little surprise.
	In late 2015, Germany's Comerzbank agreed to pay 17 million euros in fines because of dubious business dealings in Panama and Luxembourg.
	And of course, I'd say that was somewhat downplayed, too.
	Oh, you know, it's legal to do this.
	How about this?
	The Madoff kids were running the drug laundering.
	They snookered the old dude thinking he was just running a simple Ponzi scheme.
	You're hung up on this.
	Both sons are dead.
	Yeah, I like it.
	Andrew Madoff died in 2014.
	He was still under investigation at that time.
	But those kids didn't go to jail.
	I don't know.
	I'm just throwing pebbles into the stream.
	Well, there's going to be a lot more to throw out.
	It depends on how this is going to be handled.
	Now, if you have Soros, who may well be one of the guys, although I don't get the sense that he needs to pull schemes like this.
	I mean, this is amateur hour to do this stuff, to me.
	Well, someone came in and said, we'll do fancy infographics, and that'll give us credibility, and we'll launch it with a couple of...
	You know, Putin's, and we'll launch it with, you know, someone will have to step down.
	We got all that.
	We got all that.
	So it's launched.
	It's launched.
	People know Putin's already scammed money, but...
	I mean, really, they're worried about $1 billion?
	Please.
	And Putin's going, bitch, you insulted me, is what he's doing.
	$1 billion.
	That's nothing.
	It's nothing.
	Anyway, this is the story that I think we...
	Unless they...
	Depends on where those documents are, if they're held by more than one, if they don't have backup somewhere or something, I'm, you know, the documents could all disappear.
	If there ever were documents.
	Well, let's say there are.
	I'm assuming there are.
	I'm not taking you, I can do the other thing too, but I'm not going to.
	No, no.
	I believe there is a terabytes of material.
	Right, so we should have the leaks of the leaks pretty soon.
	There should be some leaks of leaks.
	Because these journalists who are being paid by these...
	The journalists aren't...
	I don't care how much money they're not making anything.
	Still, 400 is quite a bit.
	What?
	400, they say, by their own admission, 400 journalists have been paid for a year to work on this.
	Yeah.
	So there's 400 journalists and they can't keep their mouth shut.
	And if they suspect that something hinky is going on, if they're investigative journalists worth their soul, it's likely they're talented enough to be there.
	They will, and by the way, any chance of you running into one of these 400, tell them to make a full copy.
	It's only like, what, how many thumb drives is it?
	You can get a terabyte thumb drive now, I think.
	Yeah, three thumb drives are good.
	Yeah, it's easy.
	Yeah.
	But anyway, so...
	USB 3.0 is pretty fast.
	You can download it.
	Just help for a second.
	Because I'm, of course, interested.
	I'm going to focus in the next few days.
	I'm focusing on the Madoff connection.
	Love that.
	But also, you know, what intelligence organization or organizations do we think are a part of this?
	I mean, who are they after?
	I mean, this is maybe one of those deals.
	Of course, I picked this idea up from watching too many really old Law and Orders type of dramas.
	Yes.
	Which is that sometimes, and I get the sense this goes on every so often, you want to kill someone as you're an intelligence agency and you targeted somebody.
	And you don't want to make it obvious that you killed them, so you kill a whole bunch of people.
	And they just happen to be in the group.
	Right.
	And then no one figures out that it was just a targeted killing of this one guy.
	So that might be going on because, let's face it, the people that are involved in these kind of sketchy shell companies in the Seychelles and British Virgin Islands, they're douchebags!
	Yeah, they are.
	So what if they get burned?
	I mean, there's been a bunch...
	I've been seeing tweets.
	Oh my God, they're naming names without doing any...
	They're besmirching the reputation of these various people who are doing business with a Panamanian law firm whose specialty is setting up sketchy operations.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so they got mentioned.
	They're part of the big sweep.
	Well, this would be extremely handy for democracy.
	You know, it's like, oh, look, hey, public, look at the horrible stealing that your leader has done.
	Isn't it time to revolt?
	I mean, that's what we're going to see.
	That's USAID. That's their involvement, if they're involved, but they are certainly contributing to this.
	USAID leads me to believe is one of our agencies.
	Which one?
	I don't know.
	This is not overthrowing a government, but this is data information.
	This really seems like NSA, but then again, I don't know.
	I wish we could...
	Hopefully, I think within the next 30 days, we should be able to kind of figure out...
	Hey, let's go back for a second.
	What if your Russia idea is correct?
	Throw a couple of people out there.
	Toss a few to the wolves.
	FSB being behind this?
	Yeah, hey, look at this cellist.
	Okay, there's your Putin connection.
	Onward.
	Now, let's look at stuff.
	You really hit me with the Obama thing where he's saying, oh, it's not illegal.
	It's not illegal.
	Thou doth protesteth too much, me thinketh.
	Yeah, totally.
	Huh.
	FSB, it would be really tricky.
	And yeah, everybody already knows about Putin being loaded.
	And it's like, well, okay, Putin's like, well, that's how he did it.
	What did he do with all that money?
	Oh, there it is.
	And there's a cellist that made a bunch of money.
	You know, he's one of our best cellists.
	He deserves $6 million.
	Could be.
	And yeah, that would be a good, nothing to see here kind of a way to go.
	If Putin has to, you know, get...
	It's not going to hurt his reputation, I don't think, in the country.
	The Russians have that kind of attitude.
	Hmm.
	So they might be after Obama, or they might be after who knows who, or Hillary.
	Although I think that Hillary is...
	Obama came out so quickly with his response to this.
	Yeah, it was very, very...
	Much quicker than anything.
	It took weeks before he said anything about...
	What's her name?
	Carol Manning.
	Chelsea Manning.
	Chelsea, yeah.
	Carol.
	Carol.
	Carol Manning.
	Carol Channing.
	Alright, we'll keep our eye on it.
	We'll probably learn something pretty soon.
	I think this is a fantastic moment to just have some fun with.
	In propaganda history.
	This is a big one.
	They're going to be able to play this all kinds of different ways and we're going to be able to deconstruct it and keep our listeners and producers happy.
	Yes.
	Now, I'm going to transition out of this with some other shenanigans that were going on regarding banking that was very, very confusing, and our man Matt Lee, who has now twice tweeted me he'll take me up on the offer for free beer in Austin when he gets here.
	I'll buy him ten.
	I bet you he's a drinker.
	What do you think?
	Well, the problem is, now, normally the old journalist thing is you try to get people kind of like...
	Sauced.
	Sauced.
	But because you're such a lightweight...
	Oh, yeah.
	He'll get you sauced, and you'll be telling him all kinds of stuff.
	I'll bring tea now along.
	She'll keep an eye on me.
	Give you the elbow to the...
	Yeah.
	She can out-drink anybody, I'm sure.
	Well, that's good.
	I have a feeling.
	Well, now you've just insulted her.
	I was trying to retract it.
	Nice try.
	She's from Chicago, man.
	Come on.
	Chicago.
	These girls don't mess around.
	She's a great wingman.
	Keep digging.
	What?
	Keep digging.
	Keep digging.
	She knows what I mean.
	Thanks, John.
	All right, Matt Lee.
	So there's something that Rubio brought up in the Senate about Iran and the sanctions on them using the United States financial system.
	And it was very, you know, I'm not quite sure exactly what Rubio said, but it does come up in this clip.
	And Matt Lee is questioning, not Kirby, but the other douchebag, who's actually better.
	And it's also funnier when he's flustered because he's really flustered.
	Yeah, and Kirby's got to go.
	He's just a dick.
	Yeah.
	Brought this up.
	And, well, it may be somehow related.
	Maybe all the noise about the Panama Papers, you know, kept the attention away from this.
	The question that was raised to Ambassador Shannon yesterday in the Foreign Relations Committee that was most that that more directly addressed what it is that we understand the administration is considering was raised by Senator Rubio.
	And that is So, my understanding is that is not what's under consideration.
	What is it?
	I'm not going to say.
	Except to say that...
	No, Matt, just to clarify.
	Because, in fact, that is what we understand as being...
	I understand that you...
	Okay, so at issue here is...
	With the lifting of the sanctions in the Iran deal, which the president said they're not really keeping to the spirit of the agreement, although they are to the letter, we have to allow them to do certain things to not directly access our financial system, because that is a sanction that is in place because, you know, all the other stuff that Iran might do.
	But apparently we're helping them figure out ways to shuffle money around.
	I don't know if that goes through Panama or not, but it was coincidentally that they're working on this at the same time.
	I believe that's what's being considered.
	What I would say is that we continue to advise banks and other governments on ways that they can conduct business with Iran in a way that does not violate existing U.S. sanctions.
	And there are ways to do that.
	But it does not involve banks converting money to dollars or otherwise.
	Well, it actually inherently does.
	But it does because, as you know, the international...
	Commerce, finance is structured in such a way that huge amounts of transactions from currency A to currency C go through currency B, which is the dollar.
	I understand that.
	But anyway, so you're saying right now that you guys are out there coaching.
	Not coaching.
	Well, advising.
	Advising.
	That's coaching.
	Coaching banks and businesses how to do deals in such a way.
	Well, you say you're advising them how to do deals in such a way that you can avoid the U.S. sanctions.
	You think that would work through Panama?
	You think it would be one way to do it?
	I don't think that's necessary.
	I don't think so either, but they're really sketchy about explaining how pretty much the U.S. State Department and or the administration is saying, hey, if you want to do business and not break the sanctions, here's this little quick place you can exchange everything and, you know, mum's the word.
	I mean, it's possible, but at this point, no.
	I don't think anything is going to go through Panama for a while.
	I don't know.
	It's interesting, though.
	And coaching is exactly what we're doing.
	Yeah, coaching, for sure.
	Advising, coaching.
	There's a synonym there, but it has a different implication.
	You want to hear the rest?
	Come on, kid, you can do it.
	No, no, no, no, no, you're not doing it right.
	You want to hear the rest?
	Yeah, no, I'm always interested in what Matt's got to say.
	Matt, what I would say in response is that as Iran complies with the JCPOA and receives a certain amount of sanctions relief, it is incumbent on us, and the Secretary spoke about this the other day, it is incumbent on us to live up to our end of this deal, which is to, and part of that is, you know, is to advise these banks and governments on ways that they can Avoid U.S. sanctions.
	Precisely.
	That they can work.
	Precisely.
	I don't necessarily...
	The idea of coaching, I think it's simply our obligation as part of the JCPOA to advise them.
	I mean, these banks don't want to violate existing U.S. sanctions.
	Right.
	So you're telling them how...
	But they are.
	No, but they are.
	You're basically telling foreign banks and foreign companies how they can use loopholes in the U.S. That's not...
	No, that's not...
	That's inaccurate.
	That's inaccurate, but...
	Well, okay.
	Well, then what is it?
	They don't want to talk about it, that's for sure.
	Loopholes.
	It's not a loophole.
	Yeah, it is.
	It's a loophole.
	That's very funny.
	That guy's good.
	He gets no respect, I tell you.
	Hey, I looked at this LGBTQIAAP stuff, if you're interested in that.
	We can do that, or I can discuss the, it's maybe a good time to talk about the party, or Manhattan.
	And then go to that, or you can go to that, and we can do that after that.
	Why don't we just do this as a little...
	Okay, good.
	Because we're ahead of the game right now.
	This is good.
	I have one clip of the Mississippi thing.
	Okay, let me hear your clip.
	Mississippi?
	Did you spell it?
	Mississippi.
	M-I-S-S-I-S-S-I-P-P-I. I had so much fun checking my spelling on that the past couple of days.
	It's a little...
	It's a ditty that we learned when you're in grammar school.
	M-I-S-S-I-S-S-I-P-P-I. Mississippi Governor Phil Bryant has signed a sweeping anti-LGBT law, which will allow organizations and businesses to deny people an array of services based on religious objections.
	Opponents say the new law set to take effect in July will legalize discrimination against LGBT people.
	American Civil Liberties Union of Mississippi head Jennifer Riley Collins said, quote, This is a sad day for the state of Mississippi and for the thousands of Mississippians who can now be turned away from businesses, refused marriage licenses, or denied housing, essential services, and needed care based on who they are, end quote.
	On Tuesday, Chad Griffin of the Human Rights Campaign compared Mississippi's law to the anti-LGBT law recently passed in North Carolina.
	Mississippi needs only to look as far as North Carolina to see how damaging discrimination can be to a state's reputation and to a state's economy.
	Alright.
	Yeah, that's pretty similar to what I got from the other networks.
	I do have a couple examples just so you can hear the words that are being used.
	Because what we do...
	There was one other piece of language.
	What we do based on your support of the show is we go and we read the documents and we do some homework, which...
	And we certainly tell you exactly what's in it and not over-embellish the way it's being done here.
	So that was...
	What was that?
	Was that Democracy Now?
	Yes.
	Okay, here's ABC. Next here this evening to a flashpoint, the Tennessee legislature weighing a vote on a new law to protect the right of counselors to turn away patients if treating them would violate their religious beliefs.
	It's the latest in a wave of similar laws across this country, including a move in Mississippi.
	Tonight, the culture war over same-sex marriage has come to Mississippi.
	Protesters here are taking their outrage to Governor Phil Bryant's door.
	This week, he signed in a new law allowing public and private businesses to refuse service on religious grounds to gay or transgender people.
	And not just cakes, flowers and wedding venues, but adoptions, certain medical services and counseling.
	Critics call it state-sanctioned bigotry.
	Okay, that's ABC. So clearly LGBTQIAAP at the forefront of state-sanctioned bigotry.
	We go now to...
	Is this ABC again?
	No, I'm sorry.
	We go to NBC. New state, new controversy.
	Mississippi now embroiled in a debate over religious freedom and gay rights.
	No hate!
	Interstate!
	With the stroke of his pen, the governor of Mississippi setting in motion a giant controversy that's reverberating across the country this morning.
	Opponents say the new law legalizes discrimination.
	Former NSYNC singer and Mississippi native Lance Bass posted a sign that reads, Entering Mississippi, please turn your clocks back 200 years.
	Okay, so I guess that's equating...
	That's a joke I like to use.
	Yeah, so I think it's equating it to slavery.
	There's a lot of that going on.
	CBS, their version.
	New York's governor has banned non-essential state travel to Mississippi because of that state's so-called religious freedom bill.
	And the online payment service PayPal is canceling plans to open a new facility in North Carolina, citing the state's new transgender law.
	Critics say the measure discriminates against members of the gay, lesbian, and transgender community.
	Yeah, so it was all kind of universal.
	It was seen as an anti-gay bill, etc., etc.
	I just wanted to give you the actual background on this Mississippi bill, which is House No.
	1523.
	The name of it is Protecting Freedom of Conscience from Government Discrimination Act.
	And it is written very narrowly.
	And it only pertains to the following situations.
	So, the act of solemnizing a marriage...
	Or services for a solemnization or a marriage, accommodations, facilities, goods, or privileges for a purpose related to the solemnization, formation, celebration, or recognition of any marriage based upon or in manner consistent with a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction described in Section 2.
	And this pertains also to employment-related decisions in this sector.
	So this is about the marriage sector, or I'd say the wedding sector.
	The same concerning any...
	Targeted bill.
	Yes, but I'm just pointing a couple things out.
	Okay, go.
	It is only for marriage.
	And not anti-gay, and I'll get to that.
	No, it is based upon...
	two inherent religious beliefs one is that marriage is between a man and a woman and two is that sex only takes place after a marriage of a man and a woman And so what...
	And I don't think this is necessary.
	This is complete overkill.
	But it's so stupid they've done this because...
	Hello, Sharia law.
	Boy, we're going to benefit from this crap.
	I'm telling you.
	That's the first thing I thought of.
	That's the first thing you said, baby.
	That's the first thing you said.
	Absolutely.
	The first thing I said about North Carolina.
	But when this happened, I said it to myself again.
	Yeah.
	I thought Sharia law, redlining real estate, there's all kinds of possibilities here that are just completely out of control.
	That said, I cannot see how one lawsuit won't get this.
	And I don't see the Supreme Court backing this in a million years, but that's...
	Well, from a constitutional point, as you know, I'm a constitutional lawyer!
	It's really interesting because we have the Civil Rights Act.
	The Civil Rights Act was not about gender.
	It was about race.
	And as far as I understand it, you need to correct me, the Civil Rights Act was more about government facilities, government agencies, anything that has to do with federal or state governments.
	I'm not entirely sure.
	I think you could still refuse service to anybody for whatever reason.
	What this law is supposed to do is supposed to protect people who say, hey, I rejected your business for whatever my reasons are.
	You can't force me to do it based upon a conflict of my religious feelings, which I think any Supreme Court would say, no, you can't do that.
	So this law is unnecessary.
	But what it does is actually gives a lot of people who are very, very...
	You know, staunch Republicans full of right-wing rhetoric and Christianity.
	They've totally shot themselves in the foot with this.
	Because the first thing care is going to do, you watch, hey, you know, we believe differently.
	It can be doing a man and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman with a little boy on the side.
	Maybe that's what they'll say.
	you You know, this is insane for this to be done, but it's really being, it's not getting the scrutiny it deserves because of the very loud gay voice and gay agenda on this.
	Whereas, you know, really, what do you care?
	What do you care?
	So if someone doesn't want to bake a cake for you, who cares?
	Now, that you won't get hired or fired, I mean, yeah.
	I think it's something for the Supreme Court more than anything.
	I don't know.
	Or just leave it at the states if you want that to be, but you're really stupid, Mississippi.
	You're really going to bring in all kinds of problems with other religions because you're not the only one.
	CNN. It's just funny.
	It seems as though they're writing these things just based on Christian fundamentalists, as though there's no Jewish fundamentalists or Muslim fundamentalists who have these crazy beliefs.
	Yeah, or Sikhs.
	Seek fundamentalists.
	All of this stuff.
	This was funny.
	Ashley Benningfield, who's kind of this ditzy.
	Well, they're all ditzy, although she's a lawyer.
	But she comes across as ditzy and cute, and she's CNN. There was one other piece of language, and I'm going to have to paraphrase it, but it's odd.
	The law in Mississippi protects from discrimination claims from anyone who believes that marriage is between one man and one woman.
	So if the cake baker doesn't want to bake a cake for a same-sex marriage, they get the protection from a discrimination lawsuit.
	And then there's this.
	And that sexual relations are reserved solely for marriage.
	So I wasn't aware of that until I just happened to notice it today.
	Does that mean that cake baker could refuse a couple that just lives together to bake a cake for someone who just lives together?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Why is that not making bigger headlines?
	Because that affects...
	Ashley's worried she's not going to get a cake because she's a slant.
	Millions and millions of people.
	Why else would you do this?
	I think a lot of people are sort of beyond the whole you can't have sex before you're married.
	I'm not going to get my cake.
	The Mississippi law makes the other laws look tiny just because of the provisions you're talking about.
	And also the number of people and institutions that are allowed to discriminate under the Mississippi law.
	It's every business in the state.
	It's every church.
	It's the government itself.
	So the breadth of this law is really extraordinary, far greater than the North Carolina law or even the Indiana law that was overturned.
	So I think you're right to point out what an extreme version of the law is, but this is what the legislators wanted.
	Well, that's true.
	But what a mistake.
	Just what a gross, gross, gross mistake.
	Final clip on this, and here was someone who I thought was speaking some sense, although take it with a grain of salt, the guy who works for the Heritage Foundation.
	So he's probably behind part of this law, but he was on with Don Lemon, which is a double whammy because you've got a black guy who happens to be gay.
	So his agenda is kind of all in.
	He does get set straight a little bit on this.
	It sounds like the same argument for Loving vs.
	Virginia, which was decided years ago between people of two different races.
	What's the difference here?
	Well, I disagree.
	I think race is entirely different.
	I was at the Civil Rights Division for the Department of Justice for seven years.
	I enforced our anti-discriminations laws.
	This is a passion of mine, and this is entirely different.
	This is entirely about religious freedom.
	It is tailored very specifically to the wedding context.
	But religious freedom was also used in Loving vs.
	Virginia as well.
	The Bible says it was against two people of different races marrying.
	Yes, and race is different.
	And this has nothing to do with race.
	And in fact, the words sexual orientation appear nowhere in this bill.
	It allows people to dissent in a very small context, small businesses, in the wedding service context, religious institutions, religious educational facilities, adoption facilities.
	It's very focused, very tailored, very balanced.
	There should be room for people of faith to express their beliefs and not be punished by the government.
	Under the law, religious organizations will be able to deny LGBT people marriage Adoption and foster care.
	So this is important because he is reading this as if he's reading the law, and that's how he's stating it, but he doesn't even know what it really says.
	It's minor, but it's important because this is how this works, and this is why we get distracted from what's really going on.
	LGBT people, marriage, adoption, and foster care services, fire or refuse to employ them, and decline to rent or sell them property.
	It sounds like the same thing they did with black folks.
	How is this not discrimination?
	Well, first, that's not what the bill says.
	The bill doesn't mention sexual orientation.
	It doesn't mention that, but that's what it would allow.
	It may not specifically say that, but it would allow for that.
	But the words matter.
	Don, the words matter.
	That's what the law means.
	It's based on the words, and the words say it's focused on the issue of marriage.
	No, but I think you're being disingenuous here, because the law...
	Will you listen to me?
	Under the law, religious organizations will be able to deny LGBT people marriage.
	Is that wrong?
	No, the clerks are actually required to provide marriage licenses.
	If we're talking about marriage, that's already handled.
	Yeah, so that's what I'm hearing everywhere.
	Oh, we won't be able to get married.
	No, you'll be able to get married.
	But the makers of this law, the writers, the pastors of this law, are arrogant.
	And it really is extremely bigoted, because you're saying our religious freedom, we're codifying that, something very specific about marriage.
	Very, very specific.
	And, you know, you don't have the right to do that.
	It's arrogant.
	There's a very subtle mixing of church and state here, too, which is another reason this thing would get thrown out.
	For example, if you're a cake maker, I mean, to be in business in one of these communities, you have to get a business license.
	I don't know any place that you can go to just open up a business without getting a business license.
	You've got to get a business license.
	You've got to file fictitious business names.
	There's stuff that you have to do.
	I mean, I suppose it's some podunk town.
	You can just have people come into your house and you can make them a cake and they'll give you five bucks cash.
	But generally speaking, when you do the business license, you agree to certain terms and policies that are kind of part of the community, and you're supposed to serve people.
	I mean, if you're going to start a business that's going to open up a restaurant, you can't make it a private club.
	That's a different kind of business.
	You can do that, but then there's a rigmarole you've got to go through.
	This is a crazy...
	I think you're right.
	This is just...
	Arrogant.
	Arrogant.
	This is the most arrogant, stupid thing I've seen for a very long time.
	And just wait until care comes.
	That is the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
	You wait until they come.
	Muslim Brotherhood.
	They haven't weighed in yet.
	But they will.
	They will.
	We think this is a great idea.
	Well, they probably want their own law.
	Of course they do.
	Yeah.
	Now that it's possible.
	Everybody who's got some issue, go move to Mississippi.
	I'm telling you.
	Everybody in Dearborn, head to Mississippi.
	In a restaurant, you don't have to serve anybody but fellow travelers.
	That was really my contribution.
	Stop with the gay stuff already.
	Look at what's really going on.
	Look at how arrogant and dangerous this is from a religious perspective.
	Look at that.
	I'm the first to defend church and Jesus and God.
	Anybody wants to believe in whatever they want to believe in.
	But it's not the only religion.
	And that's what this screams.
	This screams.
	This is what it is.
	No, no, no, no.
	It doesn't belong in a law anywhere.
	Anywhere.
	It's so obvious.
	Mississippi, what are you doing?
	And gay patrol.
	Stop it!
	Or please use your platform to bring up this other issue.
	That would be smart.
	Hey, you know, this is...
	That's not going to happen.
	Well, you know, the gays listen to us too, John.
	We had a few examples that...
	You're in there.
	Okay.
	Let's talk about the meetup.
	Yeah.
	New York City.
	Sorry?
	New York City.
	New York City.
	So we go to New York City.
	We're going to have a big meetup.
	I don't want to get into the thing about MailChimp.
	So we had a meetup in New York City.
	I'm kind of glad.
	I couldn't send the direct message to New Yorkers.
	It had to go out to everybody.
	Yeah, I got it.
	Because I couldn't get the selection to work.
	The selector.
	So, okay, I'm glad I did.
	Because it made the dinner start off with a huge positive vibe.
	Oh.
	Because we arrive at Sparks, the whole group of us, and the creator says, are you John DeVarque?
	And so he hands me this note.
	And he says, happy birthday, John.
	Duke and Duchess of Japan.
	Oh, wow.
	And...
	So the Sparks guys think I'm somehow involved with the Duke and Duchess of Japan who put up a very expensive bottle of champagne at the table.
	Oh, fantastic!
	So everyone was sucking you off all night long!
	We pretty much had one waiter dedicated to our table.
	Oh my god.
	The Duke of Japan.
	I've never seen the champagne before.
	It was some sort of a Pinot Blanc de Pinot.
	It was absolutely fantastic.
	And it wasn't on the wine list.
	I don't know what...
	Oh my goodness.
	Special champagne.
	I don't know what they paid for it.
	I couldn't find out.
	This needs to happen to me whenever I go to Popeyes.
	I want that to happen to me, too.
	You'll have to thank him profusely.
	Yeah.
	So we had this time, so we're going to be down at 8 to go to the bar, and the Sparks Bar is a good-sized bar.
	We had probably about 40 people show up.
	I wonder what they thought you were.
	I'm wondering, too, because at the end, they were just, like, bowing to me.
	Say hello to the Duke and Duchess of Tokyo.
	Hi!
	Hi!
	I thought that we were going to get kicked out because we had filled the bar with the capacity.
	You had 40, 50 people, you said?
	About 40, 40 plus.
	Fantastic.
	Wow, what a great meetup.
	So yeah, it was a great meetup, but it was like, you know, my family was there, it was actually turned into pretty much of a New York style cocktail party.
	Yes, I could see that.
	And so, which was great, because everyone's chatting with each other.
	A lot of people were shy and they wouldn't mix, which was kind of a shame.
	And one person in particular, which a lot of people would like to have talked to.
	And a lot of people apparently had bought tables around our table and they were, you know, ugling us.
	I was told, but I never noticed it.
	He's friends with the new conditions of Japan.
	But we brought distance to the restaurant is the point.
	And so they were happy to see us.
	And so they weren't going to throw us out of the bar because everyone was buying and drinking and having a great time.
	At what point did y'all put your eyes wide shut masks on and they dimmed the lights?
	When did this happen?
	I can just see it.
	And shot a gun.
	Took your clothes off.
	So I want to thank a few people who contributed at the time.
	I also want to mention Rod Adams was there.
	Ah, Sir Atomic Rod, excellent.
	And Nick the Rat was there.
	I saw no photographic evidence of Nick the Rat being there.
	He was there.
	And everybody wanted to meet Nick the Rat.
	Nick thought you were drunk.
	I don't know about that.
	But after my third cognac, it was getting there.
	Ha!
	And Nick the Rat was there, Francine and Tanya.
	Oh, nice.
	There was a lot of regulars there.
	What are you learning?
	Now, one of them dropped off a bottle of high-end, very nice bourbon.
	Oh, nice.
	The problem is there was no card in there.
	And I go, thanks, thanks.
	And of course, I couldn't remember anything because I was drunk.
	Hammered.
	But that's not the reason.
	It's because I just can't remember anything.
	And so I don't know if it was Tanya who dropped off the bottle or if it was Rod Adams.
	Or who knows?
	I don't know.
	And somebody's going to have to send me a note so I can thank them for the bottle of bourbon.
	Meanwhile, there's a few people that need to be thanked.
	Do we need to play our jingle and we'll go straight into everything?
	Or how do we do this?
	What do you want to do?
	Well, I was just going to not do that.
	I was just going to do this separate, and then we can play the jingle.
	Perfect.
	These are higher.
	Perfect.
	Perfect.
	For example, Henry Biglin and Ying Yu were there.
	Henry are one of our knights.
	Yeah, Sir Biglin.
	3-30-3-33, so he'll be executive producer for this show.
	Nice.
	We have a lesser donation, it's not that much lesser, but it's lesser, from JD, who does an infamous story, and he has a nice little card he dropped off.
	It was fun to get the cards, by the way.
	Oh, JD! I know who JD is.
	Yeah, you know JD. Yeah.
	Here are some birthday kittens for your enjoyment along with a long overdue donation.
	Pardon the lack of a long hand as I haven't used it since 2005.
	The outstanding product known as tea, the best podcast in the universe, really helps.
	Keep me sane and the hard work you and Adam do is much appreciated.
	Happy birthday, blah, blah, blah.
	Hope New York's treated you well.
	We did fine in New York.
	I got a nice card from Bill from Glenrock.
	And he, I believe, added a bunch of...
	Glenrod, New Jersey, I'm sure.
	Yeah, $100 from him.
	And another card.
	These are all mostly cards, which is cool.
	Any more gifts besides the libations?
	Yeah, I got a Starkweather, I believe, gave us this evidence pack.
	Oh.
	It was like an evidence pouch from some police department filled with some of his photos.
	It was still blood on it or something?
	It was actually kind of cool.
	You can use it as a clutch.
	Yes, actually.
	That would be good.
	He sent a card in with a note.
	The note says, not as cute as a puppy, but close to not.
	Anyway, he's good for Simon Reed, New York.
	1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
	Mm-hmm.
	Thank you for that.
	As I dig down through these notes and things, this Mappy, Midlife Crisis Karma Please, and he has a $100, so we'll give him some karma at the end of the long donation segment.
	Mm-hmm.
	Now this one, this is Ryan Merritt, who puts Sanity in his four.
	He's a Sir something-a-lot, Sir Solves-a-lot, Sir Snolves-a-lot, Sir...
	I don't know.
	I can't read it.
	I don't know.
	But Ryan Merritt would be an executive producer because he gave us $567.89.
	Wow.
	So that was a big deal.
	And we chatted with everybody.
	There was one transgender producer who came over and she said at the end...
	Thank you for using her proper pronoun.
	She said that the show has saved her.
	Oh?
	And we had a number of people that came up with these, like how important the show actually is to them.
	I'm glad you witnessed this because this is what I was telling you when I said you really need to get on the road, do some meetups, because it's so beautiful to hear people saying, you know, it's odd, of course, when someone says, the show saved me.
	But they mean it because they got some bit of their...
	It's the involuntary social network disorder.
	It's the propaganda.
	People are very happy when someone else says, oh, maybe if you just look at it this way, then you'll feel better about yourself because it's nagging you.
	Oh, yeah.
	But what was her specific...
	What did we save her from?
	I never really got that out of her.
	She just wanted to say thanks and she was very serious about this.
	She was one of the people that was sitting in one of the tables and somebody commented that they didn't think she was part of the group.
	She wasn't mixing.
	Because these are like mixers a little bit and you kind of have to...
	I think a lot of people are uncomfortable.
	Not...
	Many, but a lot of people are just like, who are these strangers and why am I here?
	Kind of thing, even though most of the people came away from this because there were enough people and it was lively, very lively gathering.
	They got to meet people they wanted to meet or they've heard about, and I think, again, the no-agenda phenomenon of making no-agenda friends.
	Yes, and these people will meet each other again.
	That's very typical.
	And it's very typical.
	It's nice.
	And, you know, I got scolded, actually, a few times for us not doing New York before.
	And, you're not in New York, so you should do.
	Sorry.
	You're not in New York until forever.
	In eight years, you just come to New York?
	Oh, man, but Nick the Rat was not nice to you.
	No, no, Nick didn't matter.
	That's Nick's voice.
	But that's Nick is like Nick is hammered up.
	I don't know what he was doing.
	Nick is stoned.
	Dear John and Adam, my husband Jerry introduced me to your podcast in 2014.
	A helicopter literally just buzzed my window.
	I'm not kidding.
	Was probably about 30 feet away from the building.
	A Robinson 44.
	Did he give you a peace sign?
	I was looking for the red dot, honestly.
	The red dot.
	Usually from the chopper's heart.
	Not really.
	Your podcast in 2014 during the Missing Malaysian Airline fiasco and have been listening religiously since living in New York City can be chaotic and messy.
	But your deconstruction of the news has allowed for a much-needed respite during our long subway rides.
	She goes on.
	This is Monica and Jerry out of some party.
	I'm thinking about this saved thing.
	You know, of course, there's an analogy there with the church, which we're clearly not.
	But what does the church use as their hook to get new people in?
	You know, they say, you'll be saved, or, you know, they always have baby Jesus, which is pretty cool.
	You know, they got that.
	They got a great dude fronting the whole business.
	Well, I'm reminded of...
	I'm reminded of...
	We had a makeup person, a tech TV, a guy who was, if you ever said anything bad about Oprah Winfrey, he'd just go off on you.
	Because according to him, Oprah has saved him.
	Now, only thing I can, he was a big, I was a wreck until Oprah, you know, straightened out.
	Yeah, that's like Richard Simmons had believers like that.
	Now, I think what it is, is that some people are looking for a certain message that is something that they actually, their subconscious needs, or they have cognitive dissonance, or they have something going on with them that needs to be jarred loose.
	Jarred loose or righted, just to right the ship.
	It doesn't take that much sometimes.
	Now they listen to the show.
	It's like a gyroscopic readjustment.
	And I think that's what a lot of these shows do if they're not taking themselves too seriously and they're actually trying to help people.
	And so that could be an element.
	I've got a card here from Grace1David.
	I can't read this, of course.
	I'll be sending an email to remind you that SirMadHatter will be celebrating his 42nd birthday on April.
	You've got to put him on the list.
	Okay, hold on a second.
	He's not on there.
	Sorry about my cursive, which is actually quite good.
	It's been years since I've tried it, and this is...
	She's got the cursive down, but she doesn't have her...
	Sir Mad Hatter when?
	8th.
	April 8th.
	And how old?
	42nd.
	Okay.
	This is like Dawn or something.
	I can't read her.
	I can't read your thing.
	And let's see if she's got a bunch of cards.
	Jamie Luca, Jamie Rose, all these different Jamie's.
	Look at these cards.
	Don't know.
	It's not easy, is it?
	Another beer maker of some sort.
	I know what this is.
	And this is not easy.
	I know it.
	No, it's not easy.
	You've done it a number of times.
	Yeah.
	And here we got another.
	This is a good one.
	There's another executive producer, Craig Luca, 33333.
	And he...
	Quick note and donation for your continued work to keep us all informed on what is going on or wrong with the world, John.
	Thanks for inviting all of the listeners to Sparks.
	I know my wife, Dame Jamie, was...
	That may be Dame Janie, that was the other note.
	That could be Dame Janie.
	Jamie.
	I was thrilled to make the trip into the city.
	Keep...
	We're going to Big Smoke.
	I'm sorry.
	I always get a kid.
	Making a trip to New York is a lot of things.
	I guess it could be a thrill.
	This is Manhattan.
	That was Jamie.
	That was a note from Jamie.
	Thank you for your courage, Baron Manhattan, Knight of the Fifth Column.
	Got that straightened out.
	In summary?
	A couple more.
	Oh, a couple more.
	A couple more.
	Dear Mr.
	Dvorak and Mr.
	Curry, thank you for your tireless efforts.
	It closes $333.01 for an executive producer credit.
	No sound effects or jingles are necessary.
	Thor Odelsting.
	Thor.
	Thor says no jingles.
	Thor.
	Think about Thor.
	And what is this?
	I like the name Thor.
	Thor.
	We have a job karma from David Licanti.
	Needed job karma.
	Make sure to put that here at the end of this whole thing, or get it right at the end of this segment.
	David Licanti in Eatontown, New Jersey gave us a nice $50, and that was cool.
	And now I have my, I think my last card.
	Four.
	No agenda show.
	An envelope inside of an envelope and inside the envelope is a check for $333.33 from Janiel J. Franco in the Bronx.
	Nice.
	Came down from the Bronx.
	And he says, and he sent a nice cat card.
	The cat picture.
	Dear John, happy 26th birthday.
	Got that right.
	You woke up one morning and it's right there in your face.
	Enjoy your day.
	Thank you for the...
	He's got this kind of...
	It's like French longhand, if you know what I mean.
	The invitation to attend the No Agenda Meetup and for having it in New York City as well as the appropriate probabilities of being thrown out as a sales pitcher.
	He says, the possibility of being thrown out of an upscale New York City restaurant.
	That was a big draw.
	Although, they didn't throw us out.
	They were very happy that we were there.
	On Tuesday night, we filled up the bar and helped keep the restaurant going.
	These are a few of the people.
	I want to thank all of them.
	They came up and we chatted about all kinds of things.
	I want to thank everyone who appeared at this event.
	One of the fellows bought me a bunch of cognac, and I was happy about that.
	I'm sure you were.
	I didn't fall over.
	No, at least not when everyone was still there.
	Man, I've got to go back.
	I'm going to go back and say, Excuse me.
	I'm good friends with Mr.
	John C. Dvorak.
	You know, good friends with the Duke and Duchess of Tokyo.
	I'd like some of that.
	Boom, Mr.
	Grew, we gave a table special thing for you right in front of the stage.
	Oh, man.
	Oh, I've been to wind this up.
	I've hacked my Amazon Echo, so I've renamed her Book of Knowledge.
	Cool.
	Yeah, so we can say, Book of Knowledge.
	How old is John C. Dvorak?
	John C. Dvorak is 64 years old.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda in the morning.
	It's handy I've done that because if we ever need to consult the Book of Knowledge, now it's much easier.
	So, for instance, if I say, Book of Knowledge, spell Mississippi.
	Mississippi is spelled M-I-S-S-I-S-S-I-P-P-I. That's kind of cool, right?
	That's very cool.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I'm quite proud of myself.
	Others will now, I think you've just led the way.
	Yeah.
	Everyone's going to do this.
	But are you going to use it for except the Wikipedia?
	Well, we can use it for all kinds of things.
	Yeah.
	You can say, for instance, Book of Knowledge.
	How tall is Adam Curry?
	Adam Curry's height is 6 feet and 5 inches.
	196 centimeters.
	Thor.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Pretty cool.
	So if we need it, we can use it.
	So we'll make sure we get a couple of job carmers in there.
	Some just general carmers for everybody who showed up for that event.
	And we'll do some more of these.
	Got it.
	In fact, one of the producers says that he would like to coordinate the New York scene.
	Oh.
	Like we have in Detroit.
	We have a couple guys.
	The scene, yeah.
	So we can do these events and maybe be a little more organized than me just sending out random notes.
	Right.
	But which is fine.
	It worked out.
	I think we got a lot of people.
	We should have an app or something that when people come to meetups and they just type in their email address and their info so we build up a database that we can market.
	I'm sorry, we're not that slick, are we?
	We have, it was, yeah, it was definitely worth doing.
	Good.
	5T4R from Columbus, Indiana, $100.01.
	And he, or she, I don't know, says, I'm a $4 donor, although I regularly contribute.
	I feel as though the value I've received greatly outweighs the value I've returned.
	This is especially apparent when you deliver deconstructions like you did last Sunday.
	And that's probably the Rachel Maddow, Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton deconstruction.
	You did one that was just dynamite, so that's probably what she's talking about.
	I think so.
	He or she.
	There's got to be a he.
	Who has a 5T4R? Robert Diggle in Brooklyn, New York.
	$100.
	Sir Herb Lamb in Sugar Hill, Georgia, $81.40.
	That's a birthday call out.
	Charles Brocchetti in Incheon, Korea, $81.40.
	John Davis, Brentwood, Tennessee, $80.08.
	Jeffrey Wolf in Edmund, Oklahoma.
	It's the boob donation.
	808.
	Oh yeah, 808 is the boob.
	Jeffrey Wolf in Edmond, Oklahoma.
	7777 is a note.
	I love the show, but would like to call out Chap the Banker as a douchebag.
	Douchebag!
	He listens, but he never donates.
	Banker.
	Banker.
	Erwin Vrolik.
	Vrolik, which means...
	Vrolik!
	Vrolik means happy or gay.
	Well, he's happy and gay.
	I don't think he's gay.
	I don't think he's gay.
	Well, he's probably not gay.
	7409 Amsterdam.
	Adam Peterson, New York City, 5959.
	Sir Ralph Nellison, Viscount Ralph Nellison, Aachen, Deutschland.
	What does he say here?
	55-55.
	With regards to show A12, I'm the Viscount of neutral Marsnet and Germany, but I find that the natural border between Germany and Austria is north of Bavaria.
	So, wait, didn't we do this already?
	They wanted to change...
	No.
	Oh, I see.
	So the barony of Bavaria in Austria can be assigned to any other worthy individual member of Volks.
	In my view, this even doesn't change the definition of Germany.
	Two, in the realm of extremely relevant stuff, in my humble opinion, the iPhone turns yellowish in the dark, probably not because this makes the iPhone look better, but because this makes girls look better while they're staring at their iPhones.
	That's a good point.
	That's an interesting theory.
	That's a good point.
	It's better lighting.
	Yeah, that's a very good point.
	Yeah, that blue light doesn't make you look good.
	It makes you look ghoulish.
	This is a good point.
	Thank you, Sir Ralph.
	Thank you for the support.
	The whole blue light thing is possibly bull crap.
	Cinco de Cuado.
	Yep.
	Heather Reitmeyer in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
	She says, Happy birthday to my wonderful husband, Rex.
	He hit me in the mouth a couple years ago.
	I'm donating for him as a birthday gift.
	His birthday is on Friday, April 8th.
	A donation to the No Agenda Show, $50.68.
	Edward, and now the following people are $50 donors.
	We get run down really quickly here.
	Edward Mazurik in Memphis, Tennessee, $50.
	Alexander Sokovi, sir.
	In Moscow, $50.
	Beaumont Proudfoot in Holidays Point, New South Wales.
	Matthew Januszewski in Chicago.
	Once again, he comes in a lot.
	Adam Beck, this is probably Sir Matthew.
	Adam Beck in Lost Wages, Nevada.
	Robert DeBruckner in Gilbert, Arizona.
	Dustin Smith in Salem.
	Don't inhale him, Oregon.
	Dustin Martin is his name.
	Dustin Martin.
	Stephen Lind in Cape Town, South Africa.
	That's one of my favorite cities is Cape Town.
	Oh, nice.
	It's really a nice place.
	I don't know why I haven't been there for a while, but it was nice when I was there.
	Yeah, Stephen Lind.
	Sir Jojo in Wooddale, Illinois.
	Sir Jojo pointed something good out here.
	He said that our stats on service men and women killed in action...
	But the Civil War on the PDF, he looked at the PDF and he said that was only the Union forces, didn't include the Confederacy.
	So the Civil War did have a very, very high count.
	Much higher than we reflected.
	Yeah, I heard that, yeah.
	Okay, but I think...
	The numbers seem low to me, but I... But the point is well made, what we were trying to get out of that.
	Yeah, that's...
	Yeah, exactly.
	Paul Webb and Twickenham, UK, $50.
	Jeffrey...
	Wait, what does he have?
	What's happening to him?
	Oh, he says, please see Tatcha County.
	I scraped overnight.
	It was my last donation last year, but sent over another 50 today.
	The promise of more to follow.
	So he'll be knighted today.
	Perfect.
	And he thanks us for the outstanding analysis of the EU-Turkey deal.
	Jeffrey Montagna in Phoenix, Arizona.
	Edgar Almaguer, I guess, in Waxahachie, Texas, 50%.
	Tim Abel in Bergfeld, Berkshire, UK. Jonathan Meyer in Mayer, Meyer in Xenia, Ohio.
	And that concludes our group of well-wishers and confidants for the show.
	Yeah, just a couple birthdays here.
	Normally don't talk about anything below $50, mainly for reasons of anonymity.
	But Sir Sam Wang came in with $45.16.
	Christopher Bede from Indianapolis.
	Chris Terhart, Abbotsford.
	British Columbia, John Adams, Stratford, Connecticut.
	Anonymous, Tainan City in Taiwan.
	Shri Dejani in Hicksville, New York.
	Brian Muracade in Tacoma, Washington.
	Mordecai!
	Mordecai!
	Rob Warren in Sunderland, Gitmo Nation East.
	Aaron Murphy in Rio Ranchero, New Mexico.
	Robert...
	Bruckner in Gilbert, Arizona, Doug Dodge in Camarillo, California, Brian Warden in Downs, Illinois, and Wesley Clark, not the Wesley Clark, but our Wesley Clark from Stanley, North Carolina.
	Thank you all very much.
	Thanks for making John's birthday great, everybody, especially the meetup in New York.
	I'm a little gel, a little jelly.
	You should be.
	A little jelly, just a tad, because it sounded like it was really a lot of fun.
	It was actually a lot of fun.
	Since Jay was there, who now apparently, according to everybody, needs a nickname.
	Jay needs a nickname?
	Yeah, because you've got Buzzkill Jr., you've got Eric Schill.
	There's nothing for Jay.
	She seems a little miffed by this.
	Somebody pointed it out to her.
	Okay, how about the princess?
	Just to piss her off.
	The princess was there.
	That would piss her off, I'm sure.
	That's why we're going to use it.
	No, we can't use it.
	Now, what I liked about having the...
	We had the whole family.
	Mimi was there and Buzzkill Jr.
	and his wife.
	But for Jay, to me, this was at least she got to experience...
	It's a breakthrough.
	It's a breakthrough.
	A Manhattan-style cocktail party, which is slightly different than you get here on the West Coast.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's a little more raucous.
	It's a little more booze-flowing and more talkative.
	And names dropping.
	Yeah, it's beautiful.
	All you have to do is watch Silicon Valley and watch some of the parties that they show.
	There's just a bunch of people standing around.
	Nobody's talking to each other.
	They're too shy.
	I admit I have started to watch the third season, and I didn't like it at all.
	But, man, this is so recognizable.
	So down rounds of all this stuff, everything.
	Everything.
	It's all so recognizable.
	Every single bit of it is really funny.
	But yeah, they rent out Yank at the stadium.
	Was it AT&T Park?
	Nobody in it.
	Stupid.
	Nobody in it.
	Bunch of guys standing around drinking.
	Stupid.
	Capped beer.
	So, question though, just to wrap up the New York visit.
	Do you think that any member of your family will now maybe listen to an episode of the show?
	I really seriously doubt it.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	There you go, everybody.
	Thank you so much.
	Especially people under $50 and our monthlies.
	We appreciate it very, very much.
	On the list today, we've got Tom Snyder who celebrated his birthday yesterday.
	Heather Reitmeyer says, Happy birthday to our wonderful husband, Rex.
	He'll be celebrating tomorrow.
	Also celebrating tomorrow, Sir Matt Hatter, who will be turning 42 years old.
	Happy birthday from all your buddies.
	You have the best podcast in the universe!
	So we do have one night in today.
	Paul Webb, so if we can...
	You got your long blade?
	That sounded like that was my blade.
	Yeah, I got it right here.
	Paul Webb, come on, man!
	Step on up.
	You didn't even know you would achieve knighthood.
	It happens.
	We see it all the time with people who are on the $50 a month plans.
	And it is all so highly appreciated.
	And I'm very, very proud to welcome you to the table of the Knights and the Dames, and I hereby pronounce the KD, Sir Paul of Clickin'Em!
	And for you, of course, we have Hookers and Blow, Rent Boys and Chardonnay, Cheap Wine and Chili Dogs, Raspberry Pies and Breakfast Burritos, Progressive Rock and Russian Imperial Stout, Sake and Sushi, Root Beer and Pepperoni Pizza, Puppies and Taylor's Vintage Pork, Damn it.
	I was not...
	I tried to make it.
	Is it the cruds?
	It's the trees now.
	It's the trees.
	It's the trees.
	Pollen.
	Pollen is right.
	Okay, I have a couple of things.
	Oh, first of all, a little correctione.
	The White House has come back as they were under fire.
	You recall that there was blatant propaganda going on here, to which we were all shocked when they'd edited out the term Islamist terrorists.
	Islamist terrorists.
	Oh, yeah.
	From French President...
	I still think it's one of the...
	Wow.
	Well, so they have now come out and they made a statement.
	They made a statement.
	A technical issue with the audio during the recording of President Hollande's remarks led to a brief drop in the audio recording of the English interpretation.
	As soon as this was brought to our attention, we posted an updated video online here with the complete audio which is consistent with the written transcript we released yesterday.
	Very good.
	Well, let me ask you again.
	How did you get it?
	Since it was a glitch, apparently it was a major glitch.
	How did you get the clip?
	How did you get the clip?
	I played the glitch clip.
	I did have...
	You played the other one, you played both.
	Did I? I guess I did.
	I don't remember.
	I don't remember.
	But I got it from sources.
	I can't disclose my sources.
	I protect our sources.
	It's our sources.
	But anyway, cheap, cheap, low-ass excuse.
	Oh, it was a computer glitch.
	Why do people take this crap seriously anymore?
	And something else, now that I've been training ever since I've been in this place, I've really been training myself to listen as much as I can.
	It's very hard to do when you've got arms flying everywhere.
	But the depression indicators...
	And I know you're always on the lookout for this, and I wanted to throw one by you and see if maybe there's some depression indicators that are coming around.
	And I implore everybody to try and find these for the show.
	And this really comes on the heels of Donald Trump's prediction that we're going to see a huge recession.
	I think it's interesting he did that.
	Yeah, actually, I got a clip here.
	Hold on a second.
	That would be kind of good.
	Where was it?
	Huh.
	Oh, yeah, here it is.
	CNBC. CNBC. Donald Trump warns of an economic downturn.
	In an interview with the Washington Post, the billionaire businessman and GOP frontrunner predicts the U.S. economy is on the verge of a very massive recession.
	But economists say he's wrong.
	Some say while the stock market may be overvalued, that does not mean a recession is coming.
	Trump has had a tough week on the campaign trail after struggling to articulate his views on abortion, among other missteps.
	The bottom line, economists question Trump's call.
	All right.
	Well, the one thing I know with Trump is he tends to say things in advance, and they tend to be right.
	But I don't know if he's ever done that with the economy.
	But when I heard that, my ears perked up because I'm going, shit, that's what Johnny says.
	Do you have any comments on that?
	I've always had the sense that this deconstruction I've done of the economic cycle, which results in this eventual book, Is nothing new.
	I think a lot of people know about it.
	I think the whole Fed and I think Bernanke knew about it for sure.
	And I think it's very easy to make this prediction.
	Alright.
	So I have what I think is an indicator.
	I may be wrong, but it's a trend and I've noticed it.
	And I'm thinking this is something, this is a callback in a somewhat modern or newer version.
	You ready?
	Yeah.
	Adult coloring books.
	Okay, now that you mention that, both Jay the Princess.
	Yes.
	Jay the Princess, that'll work.
	Jay the Princess.
	Jay the Princess and Mimi were doing these coloring books on the flight back and the flight over.
	The flight over and the flight back.
	And they got these, first of all, it's a great business for the people that make these coloring pens.
	Oh, they're almost out.
	They're sold out everywhere.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You can't buy a coloring set.
	Jay has like this huge, it must be 40 pens.
	There's a global pencil shortage.
	Well, they use the pens, the art pens.
	And these coloring books are very elaborate.
	I mean, really, it gives you...
	And it's a good way to kill time, according to the two of them.
	And if you search around, which I did, it is extremely good for people who are depressed.
	If you're depressed, this is...
	Oh, get an adult coloring book.
	And this is a throwback to needlepoint and samplers...
	Which people used to do back in the day.
	Hang them on the wall.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I thank you very much.
	Thank you!
	They also had coloring books of...
	You get a young hit from me.
	I had not considered this, and I wasn't supposed to be looking for it.
	And you were exposed to it, no less.
	And I was exposed to it, no less, and I didn't put two and two together.
	You were dead on.
	Did you get any on you when you were exposed?
	I hope you douched.
	I got some paint against the door.
	Yeah, yeah, and I'm seeing it everywhere.
	Yeah, I'm seeing it everywhere.
	That's clip of the...
	Oh, there's no clip.
	That's too bad.
	I'm good, because I thought, man, that looks really...
	Adult coloring books and needlepoint.
	Yeah.
	Damn!
	Yeah.
	Samplers.
	Remember those?
	Samplers.
	My mom had a sampler on the wall.
	Well, Jay's finished a couple of these pages.
	Jay the princess.
	They're beautiful.
	They're very frameable.
	These adult coloring books are not a slouch color.
	It's good art that's black and white.
	It's beautiful.
	My mom had a sampler on the wall.
	She had two of them.
	They were from my great-grandmother, I remember.
	No.
	The road is never long to a friend's house.
	That was one.
	And the other one was I felt bad for myself because I had no shoes until I met a man who had no feet.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And that's what I grew up with.
	And life is not fair.
	Shut up and do your chores.
	That was another sampler.
	It was on my wall.
	I think you nailed it.
	I'm glad you like it.
	No more to be said.
	And I experienced, you're right.
	I had the two of them grinding away on these things.
	And they're very, yeah, I'm sure good for depression.
	Why not?
	Isn't that interesting?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's very interesting.
	I was just oblivious.
	Damn, I hate that.
	Hey, the president said something very interesting, which to me, I don't know why this didn't get any more play.
	This nuclear summit, he did a lot of talking at this nuclear summit, boy.
	I tell you, I got lots of clips from that, which of course, everyone was talking, just talking, diary of the mouth.
	The president pretty much agreed that we do drone strikes that kill civilians.
	This has never been admitted, has it?
	Has anyone ever...
	He's beaten around the bush about it.
	I don't think he's actually said that straight up.
	I think there's been, in the past, legitimate criticism that the architecture, the legal architecture around the use of drone strikes or other kinetic strikes wasn't as precise as it should have been, and there's no doubt that civilians were killed that shouldn't have been.
	I got it.
	I got it.
	He just found out.
	Nice.
	He admitted it.
	Come on, man.
	He just found out.
	That's unbelievable.
	He's like, oh my god, what?
	Oh my god, we killed civilians?
	I'm shocked, I tell you.
	They've been telling us that the other thing's going on.
	What?
	I'm shocked, I tell you.
	How can this be?
	How can this be?
	Oh, oh, oh, oh.
	Uma.
	Uba Abedin.
	Uba Abedin.
	Uma Abedin.
	And I have to just talk about Uma Aberdeen.
	Married to Anthony Weiner.
	And my theory has always been that she is Hillary Clinton's lover.
	That's why Hillary plucked her out of the intern pool.
	Runs in the family.
	Runs in the family.
	And...
	I'm sorry?
	That's not much of a theory.
	It's obviously true.
	Okay, there you go.
	And Anthony Weiner was just a beard, and he was promised a beard.
	He was on a fast track.
	Showing his private parts so everybody would look.
	Yeah, well, he was on a fast track, but men are stupid.
	At a certain point, all the blood drained out of his head.
	Yeah, maybe if Uma would have done him a favor once in a while.
	Wow, are you really saying this?
	Man, okay.
	You don't think so?
	No, it's not how it works.
	No, I think Uma may be a man-hating lesbian.
	A man-hater?
	Yeah, I think so.
	It's possible.
	It's possible.
	Anyway, she did a podcast called Call Your Girlfriend.
	The Call Your Girlfriend podcast.
	And the premise of the podcast...
	What?
	Yeah, it's called Call Your Girlfriend.
	And the premise of the podcast is the kind of stuff you call up and tell your girlfriend...
	Oh my God, girlfriend, you won't believe what happened to me.
	I think that's it.
	While you're looking into the yellow light of your iPhone.
	So she went on there and she talked about how the first time she met Hillary Clinton.
	And first of all, her cadence, you'll hear, is very Clinton-esque.
	She's completely infected.
	Oh yeah.
	You hear this at all the women on the staff surrounding Hillary.
	And a lot of them in the Obama White House have this cadence that's very...
	It's not even the same sorority.
	No.
	But I thought this was an interesting bit to listen to.
	And, you know, it's fun to play other podcasts from time to time.
	Can you tell us about the first time that you met Hillary Clinton?
	Like, what is it like just meeting this, you know, like, iconic figure?
	Well, do you think John is like meeting this?
	Oh, it was a thrill.
	Iconic figure.
	What is it like meeting this iconic figure in politics?
	When President Clinton had his re-election, a few of us interns went to Little Rock, so that was in November, obviously.
	Doesn't she almost sound like Chelsea?
	Chelsea, a little faster than Chelsea speaks, but she speaks quite a bit like Chelsea.
	Yeah, a little bit.
	November, obviously.
	And I remember being at the rally in Little Rock, and it was election night, and obviously he was re-elected.
	And I remember being on the rope line, and there were thousands and thousands of people, and I was with a whole bunch of my friends.
	And I had met her before, like I said, in this photo for 30 seconds.
	They come out, and the crowd's electric.
	I know these things that happen in your life that just stick, that she walked by and she shook my hand and our eyes connected.
	And I just remember having this moment where I thought, wow, you know, this is amazing.
	And I just...
	It just inspired me.
	I still remember the look on her face.
	And it's funny, and she would probably be so annoyed that I say this, but I remember thinking, oh my gosh, she's so beautiful, and she's so little.
	People look different on TV, and I just thought, wow.
	And I had such a fangirl moment.
	She was giving her the middle finger on her palm there.
	Yeah.
	Wow, she's so beautiful.
	Look, our eyes locked.
	Our eyes locked, and then all of a sudden I thought, wow, she's so tiny and beautiful.
	I had a fangirl moment.
	Hmm, okay.
	Fine.
	Wow.
	It's a borderline clip of the day.
	I'll take that.
	Borderline clip of the day.
	It's the no-legenda one.
	Sorry, wrong one.
	I meant this one.
	To the gate, to the gate, to the climate gate.
	There we go.
	We've got two clips in the climate gate for everyone.
	First one comes from a little sesh, a little sesh, with our White House science advisor.
	You know who that is, John Podesta.
	One of the very same people who warned us for global cooling in the 70s.
	Documents, articles, prove it.
	He's all in on global warming and climate change now, of course.
	And along for the ride is Gina McCarthy.
	She's still working there?
	Yeah, McCarthy's still working there.
	She should have been fired after the Flint, Michigan.
	Yeah, I agree.
	But she's there.
	She's there.
	She's the head of the Environmental Protection Agency.
	Talking about, well...
	It's really bad, John.
	It's really, really bad.
	The last one that I would mention that is very striking, I think, in this report is heat-related illness and death.
	The report projects that under middle-of-the-road emissions scenarios, we can see from thousands to tens of thousands additional heat-related deaths in the United States each summer.
	The numbers are really very striking, and it comes from the fact that modest increases in average temperature are associated with large increases at the tails of the distribution.
	That means big increases in extreme heat events, extremely hot days, and heat waves, which mean five or more extremely hot days in a row.
	In some parts of the world, when you look more broadly at this question, you see the likelihood that in the hottest times of the year, it will be simply physiologically impossible to work outdoors.
	That means agriculture.
	That means construction.
	People who try to work outdoors will basically be unable to control their body temperature and will die.
	You might die.
	This is a really, really big deal.
	And it's going to be a big deal in the hottest parts of the United States, as well as in the Middle East, in South Asia, and other places.
	We're all going to die!
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	Because it's going to get just a little bit hotter.
	You know, everyone's going to die.
	Oh, you work in construction?
	You work in construction, you're going to die.
	You're just going to die.
	But that's not quite as nutty as Bill Nye the Science Guy.
	Who knows we're all going to die if we don't stop global warming.
	Where was he?
	He was on...
	I can't remember where this was from, but it was worth listening to.
	They're in denial.
	They're just adamant.
	They don't see the connection between carbon oxide and methane and the world getting warmer.
	They ignore all the data.
	So it's very troubling, you guys.
	And it's really the conservatives have gotten funded by the fossil fuel industry.
	And there's been this, you know, there's big concern that the number of people in the voting populace is not very high.
	With respect to climate change.
	They haven't heard of it.
	They don't remember it.
	They've set it aside in their minds.
	And that's because of the success of these deniers that have worked so hard, funded almost entirely by the fossil fuel industry.
	And look at their 990s.
	While you're out there, don't be surprised.
	If after the conservatives, the Republicans pick somebody, this person goes, well, I've been thinking about it and climate change is a big issue.
	Because I don't think they can quite get enough they.
	I don't think the party can quite get enough votes without millennials.
	Climate denial is almost entirely generational.
	Only now and then do you meet a young person, nobody your age, is a climate denier.
	Very few.
	So it's all old people.
	It's all old people.
	Not true.
	No, of course it's not true, ass white.
	The guy's a douche.
	He's saying that the conservatives...
	And he starts off with a lie, which is that any climate denier is funded by the fossil fuel industry.
	Oh, yes, all of them.
	But he says conservatives...
	Where's our money?
	He says wait until they need the millennials and they're going to switch positions on climate change.
	Yeah, okay, no red book for you.
	Nye, the idiot.
	That's not how it's going to work.
	Doomkopf?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no.
	Yeah, okay.
	What else you got, Jean-Claude?
	I got a couple things here.
	Let's see what we got.
	I want to do...
	Well, let's play the ISO. Get that out of the way so you can use it later in the show, I hope.
	Okay, the ISO. Be aware of your surrounding at all times.
	Good one.
	It's in.
	Yeah, good one.
	Now...
	I got Hillary...
	I'm sorry.
	They took a whole...
	They got a speech from Hillary talking to the AFL-CIO, and here she is.
	I have her birth Hillary on Bernie, and then I have her also as John Dickerson, who's a CBS guy, because she sounds just...
	Which one do you want?
	Let's go with Hillary on Bernie.
	This is all the memes wrapped up into one as to why this is what she's going after with Bernie.
	This is it.
	I am concerned that...
	Some of his ideas just won't work because the numbers don't add up.
	Others won't even pass Congress, or they rely on Republican governors suddenly having a conversion experience and becoming progressives.
	Well, in a number of important areas, he doesn't have a plan at all.
	That's it all summarized.
	So let's hear how John would put it.
	I am concerned that some of his ideas just won't work because the numbers don't add up.
	Others won't even pass Congress or they rely on Republican governors suddenly having a conversion experience and becoming progressives.
	Well, in a number of important areas, he doesn't have a plan at all.
	Okay.
	I think you've played it out now.
	Thank you.
	No!
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You got to do more production then, man.
	You got to do more production.
	Not just slowing it down.
	You got to do more.
	I keep it slow.
	I keep it short.
	Short.
	Yeah, you can do more.
	Until he mentions this on the Face the Nation show, I'm going to continue to do this.
	Okay.
	Let me see.
	I got an interesting little double clip.
	This is supposed to happen one after the other on ABC News to anti-air travel.
	I don't know what's going on.
	I always find it suspicious when they do an anti-air travel story.
	And the first one...
	Actually, both of these are like so inane.
	Why are they doing these as national news?
	I don't know.
	This first one is the Hawaii turnaround.
	Next this evening to a passenger jet suddenly turning around during a flight from Hawaii to San Francisco because of concerns over fuel halfway across the Pacific Ocean.
	Here's ABC's David Curley.
	This United 777 forced to return to Honolulu.
	For the 264 passengers on board, it was a four-hour flight that ended right where it started.
	The flight took off for San Francisco Sunday, but about two hours out, the pilots realize they're in a condition called overburn, using more fuel than expected.
	So they decide to turn around.
	Blame the weatherman, they tell the passengers.
	We predicted the wrong type of wind.
	We were predicting that we were going to have stronger tailwinds, and that we have a stronger headwind.
	We do know to a great extent what those winds are going to be, but that is a long stretch of water, and there are no weather stations out there.
	Airlines don't like to top off the tanks.
	The extra weight reduces efficiency.
	But there are specific requirements of how much reserve fuel has to be in those tanks when a jet lands.
	A turnaround like this, David, is very rare.
	Huh.
	Is this really national news?
	I'm asking you, do you think this is national news?
	No, I don't think it's national news.
	First of all, as an airman, I've never encountered the term overburn.
	So...
	It's a very suspicious story that it exists.
	The next one, which ran right afterwards, was like a one-two punch against the airlines.
	With this story, which was definitely not national news, but it was a couple of things.
	There was production aspects of the first one.
	They had the guys on the...
	They never even had that, as you notice, because we play those all the time.
	Generally speaking, they never do that on national news.
	I mean, if you remember when they made the Ecuadorian plane or whatever it was, the Cuban flight go down and land somewhere.
	Yeah.
	Now, here's a second one, which is another one with crazy videos.
	Oh, hold on a second.
	Crazy video?
	I don't see anything with crazy video.
	It says air travel, another weird...
	Oh, another weird...
	No, I'm just saying there's crazy video.
	My mistake.
	And also this evening, new images of an American Airlines pilot arrested for being under the influence.
	These new surveillance images obtained by ABC News from the Detroit Metropolitan Airport, showing him arriving at the airport, then going through security.
	Later, we see him under arrest just before his flight was to take off, being escorted away in handcuffs.
	Authorities say he failed two breathalyzer tests.
	And they show the guy walking into the airport.
	Fine.
	He's not staggering or falling over like a comic drunk.
	Walking in.
	And then they show another video of him walking.
	And then they show a video of him walking out with handcuffs on.
	What is the point of this story?
	Well, the correlation between the two is automated flight without pilots because clearly they are not managing the aircraft properly.
	They overburn so much that they lost an hour of fuel, which is critical for a whole bunch of reasons.
	I'm going to look into that story.
	I want to understand overburn.
	I mean, it implies you burn too much, but how do you do that?
	You burn more than you expect.
	You're going into a headwind or something.
	Next thing you know, you're burning and burning.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I just found both these stories to be a little weird, the way they were presented and the way they appeared.
	Well, stay on it, John.
	Stay on it.
	I'm not staying on nothing.
	Hey, the president, for as much crap as I give him, for sure, he said something really good the other day to a bunch of millennials, no less.
	I've heard some college campuses where they don't want to have a guest speaker who is too conservative.
	Or they don't want to read a book if it has language that is offensive to African Americans or somehow sends a demeaning signal towards women.
	And, you know, I got to tell you, I don't agree with that either.
	You know, I don't agree that You, when you become students at colleges, have to be coddled and protected from different points of view.
	Anybody who comes to speak to you and you disagree with, you should have an argument with them.
	But you shouldn't silence them by saying you can't come because I'm too sensitive to hear what you have to say.
	That's not the way we learn either.
	Now, what I noticed about this clip was there was no laughing, no cheering, just silence.
	I think they were flabbergasted.
	What?
	We were doing it for you, Obama.
	You've been giving us signals to do this for you, and now you're scolding us.
	The only thing I can think of.
	And then grumbling after the event was over and saying, you know, under your breath, asshole.
	Thanks, Obama.
	Exactly.
	Thanks, Obama.
	All right.
	I'm calling it, man.
	It's time to go.
	Okay.
	I'm good.
	Okay.
	Because I got a couple things.
	I got a little end-of-show ditties to roll out.
	I want to make sure we get all that.
	So thank you all very much for your courage and your passion, love, and light to Merle Haggard.
	And that's all I do now when someone dies.
	I just say love and light.
	I don't even say for who.
	That's a good thing.
	Love and light.
	And the next event for me will be the train ride up to Sacramento's Train Museum.
	Oh, very nice.
	It'd be a fun party on the California Zephyr.
	Very nice.
	And for me, I don't know.
	I don't know what I'm doing.
	You're doing what you do.
	We always try to do what we do.
	Reading legislation.
	I could be doing worse.
	Thank you for your support.
	Remember us at Dvorak.org slash NA for our show coming up on Sunday.
	That will be episode 815.
	Until then, coming to you from FEMA Region 6 in the skyscraper, the crackpot condo in downtown Austin, Tejas, FEMA Region 6.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where the weather's a little more to my liking, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We'll return on Sunday with more media deconstruction right here on No Agenda.
	Adios, mofos.
	Flying over Afghanistan Or maybe it was Pakistan
	I promised myself to aim myself At every woman, child and man That was on my list I don't care if I missed I'm remote controlled I do what I'm told By someone at a computer Obama gave me a push More than Bush And I cost millions I'm supposed to target terrorists But not so much civilians.
	I don't know what to say.
	Whoops, some got in my way.
	A drone again, naturally.
	A drone again, naturally.
	Be aware of your surrounding at all times.
	Amen.
	First of all.
	Diversity is now in some parts of Europe see as a threat.
	As a threat.
	Diversity comes with challenges, but diversity is humanity's destiny.
	There is not going to be even in the remotest places of this planet a nation that will not see diversity in its future.
	That's where humanity is heading.
	And those politicians trying to sell to their electorates a society that is exclusively composed of people from one culture are trying to portray a future based on a past that never existed.
	Therefore that future will never be.
	Diversity.
	World War.
	Diversity or die.
	Diversity or war.
	Diversity or die.
	Diversity or war.
	Diversity or die.
	Diversity or war.
	Diversity or die.
	Europe will be diverse.
	Like all other parts of the world, we'll be diverse.
	The only question is, how do we deal with that diversity?
	Destiny.
	destiny.
	My answer to that is by ensuring that our values determine how we do and not giving up our values to refuse.
	diversity that will bring us down as a society.
	Destiny.
	...
	...
	Diversity or war.
	Diversity or die.
	Diversity or war.
	Diversity or die.
	Diversity or war.
	Diversity or die.
	Diversity or war.
	Diversity or die.
	We don't get this right.
	I truly believe Europe will not remain the Europe we've built.
	Europe will not remain the place of peace and freedom.
	Europe will not remain the place of peace and freedom.
	For very long, for very long, for very long, Europe will be diverse.
	Destiny.
	Europe will be diverse.
	Destiny, destiny, destiny, destiny, destiny.
	Europe will be diverse like all other parts of the world.
	Destiny, destiny, destiny, destiny. Europe will be diverse. .
	Destiny.
	Destiny. Destiny. Destiny. Destiny. Destiny.
	Fear is freedom.
	Subjugation is liberation.
	Contradiction is truth.
	Those are the facts of this world.
	And you will all surrender to them.
	You pigs in human clothing.
	Have you done any of that bug protein powder?
	Yes, I have.
	Have you done the cricket stuff that Tim Ferriss is into?
	Mm-hmm.
	Do you like that?
	I like bugs.
	Is he wrong?
	Okay.
	So what do we do with the spreadsheet?
	You're going to send a note to Eric and maybe he can fix it or not fix it.
	I don't know.
	I call people non-disabled.
	Fist bump.

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