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	You need an E-ticket for that?
	Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
	And Sunday, March 27, 2016 time once again for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 812.
	This is no agenda.
	Spinning gold out of yarn to guard your reality and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state Austin Tejas and FEMA Region 6 in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley where everything's overmodulated, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	Really?
	Is it that bad?
	Am I just booming through on your end?
	Yeah, I can deal with it.
	I don't know what to tell you.
	Is it over-modulated or is it just loud?
	It's just loud.
	It's just modulated.
	Over-modulated means distorted.
	So it's on your end.
	I can't help it.
	Good.
	Well, it's all explained by the weird ISO clip that I have.
	Is that what we're going to do right off the bat?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Would it say weird ISO? Because I can't find that.
	Oh, I have it.
	I got it.
	There's only one, so this must be it.
	Does it need a setup?
	No.
	I am the happiest principal on earth.
	I love you.
	We love you.
	Oh, boy.
	Is this about millennials and safe spaces?
	No, this is about something else.
	That wasn't the clip, by the way.
	Oh, was it an ISO? Yeah, it was a good one, too.
	It wasn't the one you wanted.
	That's even more interesting.
	I have a bunch of ISOs today.
	Today is ISO day.
	Okay, all right.
	Screwball ISO, that's what it is.
	I don't even know where to start.
	Screwball ISO. Screwball ISO. Well, then we'll do that off the bat.
	The fact that they both have unpronounceable Italian names appears to be the theme.
	That and meat.
	Meat.
	Yeah, meat.
	What was that from?
	That was discussing the, I guess it's the Monterey Peninsula Wine and Food Festival.
	Uh-huh.
	And they have all these little things you can sign up for.
	I guess Guy Fieri and some other Italian guys have special seminars.
	And so that was the ISO. I just heard the ISO. I'm clipping through stuff.
	I said, oh, that's too good.
	Yeah, I think they need to go together, though.
	You kind of need to do it.
	The fact that they both have unpronounceable Italian names appears to be the theme.
	That and meat.
	And wash your hands after touching any raw meat.
	I think that works.
	Ah, yes, I think so.
	We have it together.
	Oh.
	Well.
	Okay, well that's a start.
	Well, since we will be talking about unfriendliness to women, undoubtedly, on this program today, I wanted to put a little things into context.
	The Keeper and I, you know, sometimes we realize that we have certain cultural things that we like, and we discovered that we both had watched a lot of Elvis movies when we were kids.
	Already funny.
	Yeah, it is.
	And I apologize.
	Actually, in hindsight, I probably should have clipped it.
	So we decide, Saturday afternoon, let's watch Elvis' movie.
	We chose Blue Hawaii.
	Now, the reason I bring this up, you'll recall the last time we went back and looked at an old movie, it was Breakfast at Tiffany's, which is heralded as Audrey Hepburn, best piece of work ever, and it's a screwball, crazy-ass, stupid-ass movie.
	And you kind of agreed to that.
	Do you recall Blue Hawaii by Elvis at all?
	Vaguely.
	So it opens up.
	He's coming back from the army.
	He's been gone for two years.
	He lands in Hawaii.
	The plane door is open.
	It's the steps down the tarmac.
	His girlfriend is waiting.
	He's making out with the stewardess, looking at his girlfriend saying, Hey, baby, I was just fooling around.
	And she goes, Okay, Elvis.
	And it's okay.
	They go along.
	And then he's throwing her in the water.
	He's tripping her on the beach.
	17-year-old spanking them, spanking them.
	And then the girls sit down on a pillow later and say, Oh, yes, I'll be much better now.
	It's unbelievable.
	The whole movie is one big misogynistic piece of crap.
	I don't recall it that way.
	Huh.
	Well, what did the Keeper think?
	Does she remember it that way?
	No.
	She must have been outraged.
	No, we were both.
	Jaws dropped.
	Like, holy crap.
	We've come a long way.
	Albus was just a dick!
	In this movie, at least.
	In this movie.
	It was made in 1963, so of course that was the year before I was born, even.
	But I encourage everybody, just watch that.
	Just the opening sequence, and you can flip through it.
	But boy, Hollywood was mean towards women 50 years ago.
	52 years ago.
	Yeah, well...
	Yeah, 52 years ago.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, I suppose if you went back 80 years ago, it'd be worse.
	Yeah, probably.
	But this is within my lifetime, so I say, you know.
	Well, you were only one.
	No, I was zero.
	I was minus one.
	Okay, it wasn't within your lifetime.
	Hello?
	Okay.
	It was not even within your lifetime.
	Yes, this movie, I saw it within my lifetime.
	That's my point.
	Well, yeah, when I was a kid.
	I watched the old Charlie Chaplin films, too.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	I think a lot of the Elvis movies were misogynist.
	I think a lot of the stuff from the 50s...
	What year was that movie?
	You said...
	1963.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, that was just before the...
	The civil rights movement?
	Well, civil rights, hippies.
	Oh, and I will say, although it was much more focused on the misogyny, you know, they have little helpers in the...
	Because, of course, Elvis' parents owned the Fantastic Hawaiian Fruit Company or something, and they have all these little slaves running around, you know, like Indonesian-type little boys.
	Hey, boy, go get the hose, boy!
	LAUGHTER Unbelievable.
	It should be banned from Netflix!
	I'm outraged!
	We should be banning Netflix for even allowing that to be shown?
	I think you're on to something.
	Yeah, well, later in the program, it's not for right now, I have the new speak guide from the University of New Hampshire that I want to review with you.
	Oh, no, no, not later.
	Yeah, later.
	You want to do it now?
	No, let's get this.
	Oh, come on, let's do it.
	Oh, geez.
	It's so incredible, though.
	It's just so much of it.
	I don't know if you may not be able to walk.
	Okay, so this is the...
	Is he going to give me blue balls?
	I mean, what is this going to do?
	All right, here we go.
	University of New Hampshire Inclusive Excellence, I guess that's a department...
	The title of this is Bias-Free Language Guide.
	Ooh.
	Now, very important, it does say the views expressed in this guide are not the policy of the University of New Hampshire.
	What's the point?
	UNH supports free speech on all of our campuses, and then they have this whole statement.
	But the point of this, language as leadership...
	And these are guidelines.
	And this is really why I got into the document.
	And it was released end of January, so it's been around.
	So it's on the University of New Hampshire letterhead, and they put a little quote at the top of Of this document.
	And the quote is from...
	Who could the quote be from?
	Shakespeare.
	No!
	Melissa Harris Perry.
	Close, though.
	Almost Shakespeare.
	So she doesn't even teach at this school, yet her quote is at the top of this document.
	Melissa, that horrible person that got fired from MSNBC? That's the one, yeah.
	What are they quoting her for?
	Well, let me read you the quote.
	In a democracy, recognition matters.
	Everyone wants to be seen as who they are.
	If they are not, then it's impossible for them to enjoy the experience of being full citizens.
	Melissa Harris-Perry.
	That is just nonsense.
	What does it even mean?
	I don't know, but it's setting up a nonsense document for sure.
	I've highlighted a couple things I want to review with you.
	And this is the University of New Hampshire.
	Universities are places to look at the world in new ways.
	As a university organization, we care about the life of the mind.
	We offer this guide as a way to promote discussion and to facilitate creative and accurate expression.
	Accurate expression!
	Accurate.
	Make sure you're accurate.
	Let's say, as an integral part of UNH's mission to continue to build an inclusive learning community, and the first step towards our goal is an awareness of any bias in our daily language.
	When we do not affirm another person's identity, we are characterizing an individual as less than or other.
	This makes them invisible, and for some, it feels like a form of violence.
	Do we need to discuss that or can we just move on?
	I don't know.
	Is our harmonica hits?
	Yeah, I like the hits.
	What is inclusive language is the question.
	Inclusive language is communication that does not stereotype or demean people based on personal characteristics, including gender, gender expression, race, ethnicity, economic background, ability, disability, status, religion, sexual orientation, etc.
	identities matter, and words matter.
	It is important to realize that each person will define their own identity.
	Identity terms are meant for individuals to use to identify themselves and not for us to identify them.
	You will find various definitions depending on culture, places of origin, generation, etc.
	And of course, we know that...
	Here's the obvious directive.
	When appropriate, ask how a person wishes to be identified.
	And please remember that identity terms are meant for individual...
	Use inclusive language to emphasize or focus the reader's attention on similarities, equality, and respect.
	Now, what they're going to get into here is the right way and the wrong way to do things.
	And they start off with a little mini-example.
	How about a hello, I should be called sticker?
	Or my name is.
	No, my name is.
	I need to be called this way.
	Just wear this sticker all the time.
	That would work.
	So they give an example which kind of hits home for me.
	In addition, avoid stereotypes and words that are derived from negative assumptions.
	An example, using the expression going Dutch is really rude.
	A rude term for splitting the bill because it demeans the Dutch and assumes they are cheap.
	This is an example in the document.
	Okay, let's stop right here.
	This is a good place to stop.
	I think so.
	I think you're right.
	So we go out to dinner and I say, well, you know, let's go Dutch on this.
	Ah, microaggression, trigger warning, trigger warning.
	And you go nuts.
	Trigger warning!
	Is that right?
	You would be very offended by this?
	Well, in this case, no, because for those of you who are new to this program, you may not know that in the Netherlands, where the Dutch typically live, splitting the bill is called doing it the American way.
	We call it Opsen Amerikans.
	One of those bastards.
	We kind of got back at you.
	Okay, now we're getting into examples.
	And they start off with the microaggressions.
	And I've always been puzzled.
	Yes, I've been lukewarm on those myself.
	You can't have a conversation with anybody unless they're one of your best friends or they make up Oh, that's a microaggression.
	That's a microaggression, and you don't even know what it is.
	Okay.
	I mean, the two of us are probably the worst for this.
	We're probably making microaggressions constantly.
	There's a reason why I never went to school, or three months.
	No.
	Microaggression is a subtle, often automatic, stereotypical, and insensitive behavior or comment or assumption about a person's identity, background, ethnicity, or disability.
	Microaggressions may be intentional or non-intentional.
	Microaggressions are delivered in many forms, politely or negatively.
	For instance, I don't think your daughter is capable of doing that because of her disability, a school principal may say to a parent in front of the student, ignoring her presence completely.
	So, forms of aggression.
	That's just rude.
	Yeah, it is rude.
	Yeah, it's not a microaggression.
	So here's a microassault, because there's different forms of aggression.
	So under microaggressions, we have the microassault, which is a verbal attack.
	Example, why do you need a wheelchair?
	I saw you walk.
	You can walk, right?
	To a person who's using a mobile chair for long-distance travel.
	Another example, dogs smell funny, as said to a blind person using a guide dog.
	Who does that?
	Good point.
	Then we have the micro insult.
	Okay, hold on a second.
	I'm going to ask you some questions as we go.
	What happens if you say, hey man, your dog stinks?
	Um...
	No, I think that's different.
	Unless the dog identifies as something other than a dog, you would have to call the dog a cat.
	Otherwise, that would be okay.
	Okay.
	Micro-insult.
	A form of verbal or silent demeaning through insensitive comments or behavior.
	Example.
	A person exhibits a stubborn, begrudging attitude that they will accommodate an accessibility request.
	The verbalization is appropriate, but the tone seems insulting.
	So now it's not what you say, it's how you say it, which is a micro-insult.
	So if someone says, hey man, I need some help getting up the stairs here because I'm disabled, and you go, all right.
	It's a micro-insult.
	Then we have, you want to stop and keep going?
	No, this stuff is great.
	Micro-invalidation.
	This is real.
	This is an actual document from the University of New Hampshire.
	A micro-invalidation degrades a person's wholeness through making false assumptions about the other's ability, causing a sense of invalidation.
	Example, you have a learning disability?
	How can you be a lawyer?
	I think that one's fine.
	Yeah, it's good too.
	Second example.
	The new international student is having language challenges.
	That's wrong, apparently.
	You should say, the new international student is concentrating on learning a new language.
	That's not the same.
	No, but that's...
	You cannot micro-invalidate.
	That's a euphemism.
	I think that's a micro-aggression.
	I think that's an insult.
	That's a micro-aggression.
	See, they can't even figure out their own scam.
	It gets much better.
	The opposite phenomenon is what Mary Rove, MIT, termed micro-affirmation.
	This is what we want to focus on, children.
	Oh, hold on a second.
	Come on, children.
	Focus on your micro-affirmations.
	These are subtle or small acknowledgments of a person's value and accomplishments, such as public praise of a person's work or character.
	Or they may be...
	By the way, this is the problem with the country.
	It is.
	Well, I'll tell you.
	So they say...
	They also may be acts of kindness like opening the door for someone, which I do all the time.
	Ah, sexist pig sobinist.
	Yes, yes.
	That's the way we looked at it back in the day.
	Yep, and it's back these days.
	People, oh, you don't think I can open the door myself?
	That's back.
	That's back.
	Okay, now let's just go through our glossary of language.
	I think it's very important that you and I are up to speed on the language, the new speak of the new world order, brought to you by University of New Hampshire.
	Okay.
	We have preferred and problematic outdated.
	Okay?
	Can we stop a second again?
	Yes.
	As we do this, I have to think, what if somebody from the University of New Hampshire, who was all in on this idea, were listening right now, what would they think of us?
	Oh, listen to those two old douchebags.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	That is not what you're allowed to say.
	It would be people of advanced age.
	Listen to those two douchebags of advanced age.
	I think saying somebody's of advanced age is incredibly ageist and insulting and more than a microaggression.
	Well, I'm going to read this whole...
	How do you do that?
	How do you criticize us for doing this criticism of them?
	Well, I'm going to give you the glossary.
	It is problematic and outdated to say older people, elders, seniors, or senior citizen.
	Preferred is people of advanced age.
	No.
	I would consider myself of advanced age.
	I think you should probably start thinking about it.
	I think that's an outrageous insult to be considered that.
	I agree.
	I think older is fine.
	Okay, poor person.
	Mature is good.
	Is mature on the list?
	No.
	Mature is not on the list.
	Advanced age.
	Where does that start?
	Let me ask the question.
	Where does advanced age start?
	40?
	Oh, to these a-holes, it probably is 40.
	Oh, 40 is advanced age.
	Over the hill advanced age.
	This is the most insulting bullcrap.
	It just galls me to listen to you read this.
	But it's not me, right?
	Continue.
	Continue.
	As long as it's not me.
	Problematic term, John.
	Poor person.
	We can no longer say someone is a poor person.
	You cannot say poor.
	Are you sure this is not just a put on?
	No, this is real.
	You're reading, this is the onion, right?
	Come on.
	No, this is not, no, no, no, no.
	Okay, you can't say somebody's poor.
	No, there's a note, however, some people choose to live a life that is not connected to the consumer world of material possessions, and these people do not identify as poor.
	That's just a note.
	The preferred language for poor person is, you may want to grab a pen, person who lacks advantages that others have.
	I'm not going to say that about anyone.
	Or, or...
	Low economic status related to the person's education, occupation, and income.
	So you can't just say poor.
	Well, you can't say poor.
	You can say, that's a person who lacks advantages that others have.
	Or that's a person who has low economic status related to that person's education, occupation, and income.
	Who's going to say this?
	Nobody.
	Nobody.
	And then we have...
	What about the word bum?
	No, no, we do have...
	Is it in there?
	No, no.
	Is there an alternative to using it?
	Or it's already assumed nobody uses it.
	No.
	We have, you can also say, person living at or below the poverty line.
	Or, my favorite, that's a person experiencing poverty.
	That's my favorite, I have to say.
	Instead of poor person, oh my gosh, look at those people experiencing poverty.
	That's actually a funny one.
	It gets better.
	You can't say someone's homeless.
	What do you say?
	You've learned now.
	Come on, John.
	You've learned.
	What do you say?
	Someone's not homeless.
	They are...
	Home disadvantage.
	No, they are experiencing homelessness.
	Oh, they're experiencing...
	As though it's a ride at Disney World.
	Yes!
	Ah, and you're not...
	Do you need an E-ticket for that?
	To be homeless?
	That's fantastic.
	I'd love to try that sometime.
	To experience it.
	You're not going to try it.
	You can experience it.
	I'd like to experience it sometime.
	That's when you get a nice punch in the gut, seems to me.
	Welfare queen, welfare people, no, no, no, no, no.
	We say person using welfare.
	Now, we also can no longer say rich, because of course it's assumed that rich is money.
	No, no, no.
	Rich people, we'll just pick one.
	Bill Gates is a person of material wealth.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Obese?
	You can't say the guy's rich.
	No.
	No.
	So why do we...
	This is like...
	I mean, these are nice words.
	The word rich has a...
	It's a wide...
	The definition is wide-ranging.
	And it gets to the point rather quickly.
	And it's...
	This is what the language is supposed to do.
	Be pointed.
	Be pointed.
	But no, they want us to talk like cops write reports.
	Let's keep going.
	No longer obese or overweight.
	You are a person of size.
	Ah, I thought they were going to say fat.
	No, can't say it.
	No, no, no, no.
	General principles.
	Person of size.
	Person of size.
	Now, a person of size could be anybody on the Warriors.
	But they're not overweight or obese.
	No, it's just a person of size.
	So when you say they're a person of size, oh, do they play basketball?
	Other than the football team?
	That's my first reaction when someone would say they're a person of size.
	Let's move on to general principles regarding ability or disability status.
	General principles use person-first constructions that put the person ahead of the disability.
	Instead of a blind woman or a diabetic, use a woman who is blind or a person with diabetes.
	Just as it is not always necessary.
	They needed an editor for this.
	You don't write like that.
	And you definitely don't talk like that.
	Just as it's not always necessary to convey the cult.
	So wait a minute.
	So you're saying the guy's a diabetic is not right?
	You have to say a person of diabetes?
	Yes.
	A person who is diabetic?
	A person with diabetes.
	A person with diabetes.
	It's like his buddy.
	It's like his dog.
	Hey, diabetes!
	Hey, the guy's got a little pooch named Diabetes.
	This is outrageous.
	We're not done.
	We're not done.
	I couldn't believe this when I was reading it, but it is the real deal.
	It's the guidelines, it's not the rules, but it's clear what they're trying to do.
	Not the rules, because rules are also a bad word.
	Just as it's not always necessary to convey the color of a person's hair.
	For example, do not mention that a person has a disability unless it is relevant to the communication, which makes no sense.
	I say, you know, the redhead.
	So that's also not, because of course that's it.
	We all know redheads are disability.
	Okay, watch the metaphors.
	You redhead hater.
	No soul.
	Bipolar, autistic, schizo, and ADD are words that should not be thrown around in conversation.
	Potential issues, although the majority of disability advocacy groups and members of the disability community generally...
	Hey, can I get into the disability community?
	You should.
	Yeah.
	Generally accept the term disability.
	There are some who believe...
	You're a person with Tourette's.
	Yes, it's my buddy over here.
	There are some who believe that even the term disability itself is pejorative.
	Oh, it is.
	Some people may often prefer to use terms such as differently abled.
	Oh, fuck me.
	Or may characterize a disability as simply a difference rather than any sort of impediment.
	For example, members of deaf culture.
	Here's, here's, hold on.
	Yeah.
	I'm telling you for a fact that if this was written by any professional writer, they were beside themselves as they cranked this crap out.
	Believe me.
	Oh, they are beside themselves.
	We know this, John.
	Come on.
	This is what it's come to, particularly in college campuses.
	Okay, let's go through the glossary of language for our ability and disability status.
	So, you can't say someone is normal, healthy, or whole.
	You have to say non-disabled.
	What?
	Yes.
	Now you've done it.
	Non-disabled is the preferred term for people without disabilities.
	First of all, they say that the word itself, disability, is not a good word to use ever.
	And then, so what they do now, they've attached the word disability, which is a bad word, to the non-disabled.
	No, they said, though disability is generally accepted, there are some who believe itself is pejorative.
	So they're kind of wishy-washy on that.
	Kind of in the middle.
	Why don't they just go with the flow and do what the millennials do and call the non-disabled the normals?
	I'm all for it.
	I like invalids myself.
	Okay.
	Blind person?
	No good.
	Of course, that is person who is blind or person who is visually impaired.
	Same with deaf.
	You're not deaf.
	You're deaf or hard.
	You're a person who is deaf or hard of hearing.
	I got one for you that's a real problem.
	All right.
	What if you're dead?
	Yes, a person who is no longer...
	You say they're dead?
	No, you say they're not alive.
	Person no longer living, I think is the correct word.
	No longer living.
	Well, let's go down to the living thing.
	So, saying someone is stricken with a disability, so someone is stricken with cancer or an AIDS victim, afflicted with, stricken with, suffers from, victim of, confined, are terms that are based on assumptions that a person with a disability is suffering or living a reduced quality of life.
	Instead, they are.
	Use neutral language when describing a person who has a disability, like person living.
	With AIDS. Person living with cancer.
	It's great, isn't it?
	Then would you like to know the correct words for race, ethnicity, culture, and immigrant status?
	Or are you not going to bump in any of those people?
	I'm kind of interested in hearing about the cis...
	Oh yes, okay.
	I'm always confused about that.
	I'll go into CIS if you want.
	You want to skip past...
	No, it's part of it.
	If there's any good ones in there, read those and then let's go to CIS. How can it not be good?
	I guess so far...
	Alright, so finally we have those...
	The guy used to be...
	I know what happened.
	George Carlin died.
	And this was his head writer.
	Sheesh.
	Of course, Negro, Negroid, colored person, and dark are problematic words.
	Preferred is black or African American.
	So, if you are a U.S. citizen or resident of the U.S., that's okay.
	It's problematic to use the term American because it fails to recognize South America.
	Oh, that's so old-fashioned.
	That was around when people would do that.
	What do you mean you're American?
	It's just slang.
	South Americans don't call themselves Americans, so we took it.
	Now, people of color is specified here.
	They're Brazilians, they're Venezuelans, they're, you know, I'm a Venezuelan, I'm a Colombian, I'm a Chilean, I'm a Peruvian.
	Okay, we're Americans.
	I'm a Pastafarian.
	Here we go.
	People of color, just so you know, that is really only referring to Asian or Pacific Islander, Native American, Latino, Hispanic, African American.
	Actually, it's everybody.
	But it's not synonymous with black or African American.
	You just said black in the list.
	Yes, it is supposed to be everybody.
	Oh, I see what you're saying.
	It's not synonymous with African Americans, blacks.
	It's synonymous with everybody.
	Except whites.
	Whites not color.
	That's not marginalization at all.
	Arabs.
	Can't say Arabs, John.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Even if they're from Saudi Arabia?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	They call themselves Arabs?
	You can say they're from Saudi Arabians, but you can no longer use continents.
	So you can't say that guy's African.
	You have to specify the country of origin.
	How do you do that?
	Well, if he's from Ethiopia...
	You see some guy walking down the street, and you know he's African.
	Well, it's okay.
	Keep it to yourself.
	No micro-insults.
	Keep it to yourself.
	There you go.
	Now you're talking.
	And Caucasian people is also no longer usable.
	We are white people or European-American individuals.
	I'm writing that one down.
	I'm getting business cards.
	European-American individual?
	Yeah.
	I know.
	Foreigners.
	Can't say foreigners.
	What do we call them?
	Come on, John.
	This is easy.
	Do you get the idea?
	Are you rolling into the...
	Out-of-towners.
	Close.
	International people.
	International.
	International.
	That's a good one.
	Oh, man.
	Biracial.
	Multi-race.
	Can't say that.
	Oh, yeah, you can say that.
	What about saying octoroon?
	No, now you're just making fun of me.
	No, I'm not.
	It's a word that was very in common use.
	Let's move on to LGBTQIAAP, shall we?
	And then we should move on.
	It's not going to end.
	When you said that, is that the way it's listed?
	Quadroon?
	No.
	LGBTQ... No, no, no.
	LGBTQIAAP. No.
	In fact, there's some language in here that is interesting.
	This is the glossary of language regarding...
	Wait, hold on a second.
	You're telling me that they don't acknowledge that term?
	No.
	LGBTQ is all they acknowledge.
	That's not right.
	That's an insult.
	I agree.
	It's an insult.
	The preferred...
	This verbiage is, you can either say sexual minorities, or you can individually say queer, lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender, and you can say queer or questioning.
	There's nothing else.
	You can say queer nowadays, and that's like, okay.
	It used to be like the big insult back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
	You can't say that!
	I'm going to start using it.
	And I will carry a card-sized version of this.
	If anyone questions me, excuse me, I'm using you.
	Yeah, then you point right to this line and say, yeah, I can.
	I can use that word.
	See, look, look, look.
	All right, I'm going to zip through these.
	Homosexual, you can no longer use this word.
	This is not the correct word.
	No longer homosexual.
	You can't be homosexual anymore?
	What do they hate?
	The gays?
	Homosexual isn't out.
	Dog gays, by the way.
	The gays.
	Homosexual.
	Is dog gays listed in there as a bad thing?
	I'll get there.
	Homosexual is an outdated clinical term considered derogatory and offensive by many gay and lesbian people.
	Gay and or lesbian accurately describe those who are attracted to people of the same sex or gender as...
	You ready?
	SGL. What's that mean?
	Same gender loving.
	Wow.
	Yep, that is same gender loving.
	That is what you need to use.
	SGL. It also means...
	It also refers to being single, which I think anyone who follows these rules will remain.
	You'll be very single.
	And if someone is going, like Caitlyn Jenner, when she finally transitions, what will that be called?
	I have no idea.
	We would say sex change is what we would say.
	Yes, yes, sex change.
	As silly cisgendered a-holes.
	No, no, no.
	You either say gender-reaffirming surgery, gender-confirming surgery, or sexual reassignment surgery, abbreviated as SRS. So she's an SRS? Well, she's a pre-SRS. Isn't that some sort of thing that's used by...
	Analog signal processing.
	Doesn't that mean something?
	Okay, I don't know what it means.
	SRS, I've seen it before.
	Now, a couple of things, a couple of new terms, and this is where you're cisgender, and then I'll be done.
	A couple of terms for you.
	Biphobia.
	Biphobia is a term now.
	That means you're afraid of bicycles?
	Yes.
	Bisexuals.
	You're afraid of them.
	Yes.
	The fear, hatred, and or dislike of people.
	Fear and hatred.
	Okay.
	Fear and hatred of bisexuals.
	The actual definition, I believe, should be irrational fear.
	But that's just me.
	Cisgender.
	Here you go.
	Cisgender.
	A range of different identities wherein a person is comfortable identifying with the sex or gender they were assigned at birth.
	That does not necessarily mean, John, that you're straight.
	Interesting, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I get the sense that they're...
	Along with cisgender comes cis-centrism.
	Cis-centrism.
	Cis-centrism.
	Which I'm sure we are guilty of.
	Here it comes.
	Cis-centrism.
	A pervasive and institutionalized system that places transgender people in the other category and treats their needs and identities as less important than those of cisgender people.
	This includes the lack of gender-neutral bathrooms, locker rooms, and residences.
	I've... okay.
	Yeah, I know.
	In residences?
	So in other words, to make me cis-centric, I have to have a men's room and a girls' room, separate bathrooms in the house?
	And a neutral.
	And a neutral.
	Yeah, and a ramp.
	Alright, I'm going to give you a word, you're going to tell me what the preferred language is, and this will be it, okay?
	Okay.
	Guys.
	Dolls.
	You can use folks, people, you all, or y'all.
	And that's exactly what our president does.
	Interesting.
	You can't say guys.
	No.
	You can't say guys.
	You can say folks, people, you all, or y'all.
	You people.
	So in other words, it's okay now to go up to a cop and say, you people.
	I don't know how far you're going to get.
	If it's two cops, you can say you people.
	Girls?
	Women?
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Very good.
	Oh, look, there's a five-year-old woman.
	No, it does say when referring to adult women.
	Manpower.
	Manpower?
	Yes.
	Oh, you mean it's, oh yeah, we need a lot of manpower to do this job.
	People power.
	Power to the people.
	Workforce, personnel, or workers.
	This reminds me of a story I have to tell now.
	I told the story before.
	I'm going to tell it again.
	We love your stories, John.
	So I'm fooling around at Boeing.
	And one of the guys comes up and we're chatting because he used to write for PC World.
	And we're talking about PC World being dominated by lesbians.
	And he says he wrote a piece for them and they kicked it back.
	Uh-huh.
	Uh-huh.
	He says, well, you're going to interrupt these stories?
	I'm sorry.
	So he says, but representative is as neutral as you can get.
	I mean, she says, no, no, no, no, no.
	You don't get it.
	Spokesperson lets people know that we do not use sexist language.
	Representative doesn't.
	Yes.
	So we're politically correct.
	It's beautiful.
	Where was this?
	PC world.
	Oh, man.
	It makes sense, doesn't it?
	PC world.
	Actually, not at your bench.
	I've never thought of that ever.
	I'll take it.
	PC world, Tess.
	All right.
	The average man.
	Can't say that.
	Of course, you have to say the average person.
	Obviously, chairman is no longer good.
	Chairperson, chair, moderator, discussion leader.
	Freshman in college.
	I can't say freshman.
	First year students.
	Very good.
	Why?
	Because the word man is in there?
	Yes, it's men.
	Exactly.
	Oh, this is just a man-hating thing.
	Correct.
	This whole thing that you've been reading, if you boil it down, it's hates men.
	They should all be having sex with each other and just stay away out of our way, the women.
	I think that kind of...
	That is the theme of what you're doing here.
	It kind of boils down to that, yeah.
	It boils down to all men should be gay and having sex with each other, at least not bothering us up here at the University of New Hampshire.
	It might as well be Smith!
	You can send your notes to somebody else, by the way, Smith girls.
	The tragedy of this is that where we're headed is...
	Not only will cisgendered straight white males be marginalized, but I'm seeing cisgendered white gay males being marginalized.
	We talked about this on the previous show.
	It's like you don't get discriminated like everybody else in the multisexual community.
	You watch, it'll be the gay men, gay straight, gay white men who will be next.
	And marginalized.
	It's about the men.
	It's not about gay.
	It's not about anything.
	It's about men.
	But they're not letting the gay men hide behind gayness.
	Yes, I know.
	Men hating women at these certain schools up in the Northeast.
	And I would put UNC is obviously one, or UNH is obviously one of them.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well they did a good job.
	They managed to get that book out.
	Just the beginning.
	Just a wedge.
	It's a wedge.
	It's a wedge issue.
	Uh-huh, uh-huh.
	It's called change, someone says in the chat room.
	It's called change.
	It's called the girl in the chat room.
	It's called change, everybody.
	I don't know if that was meant facetiously or not.
	Get with it, you two a-holes.
	Alright, let's move on.
	Let's play some audio.
	I think, by the way, the audience should have appreciated that.
	I am perspiring from reading this.
	I am.
	It's...
	It's got my hackles up.
	Yeah.
	Keeper has two...
	Tina has two kids in school.
	And you can...
	They're smart, but you can see some of this rubs off from time to time.
	It's like, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho.
	Back it up.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	No good.
	All right.
	All righty.
	What you got for us, John?
	Well, there's a couple of things.
	One is this, and this is kind of along the same lines, there's a couple of bills, the North Carolina bill is one of them, but the Georgia bill, which I think was vetoed by the governor.
	Yes, he vetoed it under pressure from Coca-Cola and big companies, and mainly, I think, Hollywood, who said that they would no longer be filming in Georgia.
	Yeah, Disney was a big, Disney, which is a very liberal operation.
	Yeah.
	And of course they had to, everyone, you know, this was reported.
	I got this report.
	Here's the report rundown.
	I've got some comments about it.
	This is the Georgia bill.
	Showdown over a proposed religious liberty bill could be costly for the state of Georgia.
	Backers say that the measure would protect faith-based groups that refuse to serve or hire someone for religious reasons.
	But major companies like Walt Disney say that this discriminates against the LGBT community.
	They are threatening to pull out their business.
	David Begnaud is outside Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta.
	David, good morning.
	Good morning.
	For the sake of this story, it's all about business.
	You've got entertainment companies saying they're going to reconsider doing business in the Peach State if the governor signs that bill.
	And then there's the NFL. Take the Atlanta Falcons, for example.
	They've been playing at the Georgia Dome right here for years.
	But across the street, they're building the Mercedes-Benz Superdome.
	It's a $1.4 billion project that they hope will bring...
	advertising.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what was that all about?
	Years.
	But across the street...
	Native ad.
	But go on.
	Yeah.
	Take the Atlanta Falcons, for example.
	They've been playing at the Georgia Dome right here for years.
	But across the street, they're building the Mercedes-Benz Superdome.
	It's a $1.4 billion project that they hope will bring the Super Bowl back to Atlanta.
	But experts say that chance will get sacked if this bill gets signed.
	And then there's Disney.
	Experts.
	Which is all that said it's done with Georgia.
	Oh, yeah.
	If the governor signs that bill.
	Wow, you could have cut out the...
	The tax man sure has been kind to Ant-Man.
	And other Disney movies filmed in Georgia.
	The state's generous tax incentives have provided a warm welcome to filmmakers.
	But now, some studios say that Southern hospitality is being tested by a proposed law they believe discriminates against the LGBT community.
	Disney issued a statement saying, we will plan to take our business elsewhere should any legislation allowing discriminatory practices be signed in a state law.
	Similar sentiments have been voiced by AMC Networks, which films The Walking Dead in Georgia, as well as other corporations.
	Viacom, Delta, Coca-Cola, Unilever, Intel, and reps for two of Georgia's sports teams, the Falcons and the Braves.
	Hell!
	You're God!
	God loves everyone, sir!
	The state's vocal debate between religious liberty and gay rights is now focused on Georgia's Republican Governor, Nathan Deal, who must decide whether to sign a bill called the Free Exercise Protection Act.
	It would not only allow religious officials to refuse to perform same-sex marriages, it would also allow faith-based organizations to deny services or employment to people who violate their, quote, sincerely held religious belief.
	State Senator Greg Kirk is a sponsor of the bill.
	Give me an example of what your bill would do for somebody in Georgia.
	Let's say my wife and I want to start an adoption agency.
	We wanted to be a faith-based organization.
	We only want to adopt out to traditional couples.
	It would protect us.
	But opponents say the bill legalizes discrimination.
	Before you give your analysis, as you know, I listened to Sirius XM, Progressive, Channel 127.
	It's so painful.
	But it's Stephanie Miller, Tom Hartman, and Michelangelo Signorelli all week.
	I have to hand it to the cisgendered white gay guys.
	They really did bring this to the forefront.
	But it was, I think, pretty much the gay guys only who really worked on this, from what I was witnessing.
	I wouldn't be surprised.
	But the thing is, is that George dodged a bullet they don't even know about.
	Because if they had passed this thing, it would have given the Muslims outrageous freedom to do all kinds of nasty things, like not let people in their cabs, which they've been busted for in places like Detroit and Dearborn.
	Oh, the guy was seen with a dog, so I'm not giving you a ride.
	Oh.
	And this was like a common thing with the Somalis and some of these other minorities that are Muslim minorities.
	And this would have given them free reign.
	It's almost as though I'm listening to this thinking, who is really behind this?
	These Christians can always get away with doing what they want and not giving people the baby if they were in adoption age.
	There's ways around having to need a law to protect you.
	I'm almost convinced that this was organized and probably dreamed up by a Muslim minority.
	Wow.
	And these idiots in Georgia just don't get it.
	Slow clap.
	Thank you.
	Very, very good.
	And you know what is mind-boggling about what you just said?
	When you hear this argument, which I've been hearing for the whole week, that never entered my mind.
	You nailed it.
	It never entered my mind.
	You only think crazy Christians, crazy gays.
	That's all you're thinking.
	Huh.
	Wow.
	Thank you for screwing my head back on straight.
	That was like an instant B12 shot.
	Yep.
	That really helped.
	Nice.
	You know, in Georgia, here's a state that I remember years and years ago, it was like, I think in the early 80s, they outlawed sodomy.
	They had a sodomy law.
	And there's a couple other states that have this.
	I don't know what the point is.
	I think they're still on the books here and there.
	And the irony, let's bring up the major irony of this, by the way.
	Atlanta is probably more gay than San Francisco.
	It's an extremely gay town.
	Nobody that's from Atlanta will deny this.
	It's mostly up in Buckhead.
	I mean, downtown Atlanta is black.
	But Atlanta is an incredibly gay area.
	And I'll say there's also...
	And everybody's very happy with it.
	It's not like they're bitching about it.
	The big Jewish population in Atlanta?
	Yeah?
	Is there?
	Yes.
	Hey, Ron Bloom's from Atlanta.
	Oh, you're right.
	Yeah, there's a lot of...
	It's a very cosmopolitan area.
	So why would they come up with this in the first place?
	Because Atlanta's the capital.
	They know what's going on.
	So I have to assume it's the Muslims that came up with it, and they snookered these idiots.
	Well, we have to find out how...
	You've got to backtrack that now.
	You've got to go find out.
	I just might.
	You mentioned native ad, which was correct.
	There was a native ad packaged all over AP. Kind of sad, really, that AP lowered itself to this.
	Maybe they're just an unwitting participant.
	The dreaded airport security line.
	At airports around the nation, these lines are getting longer, leading to missed flights and frustrated passengers.
	But the waits are expected to get worse.
	This summer, flyers will likely face massive security lines at airports across the country, prompting airlines to warn passengers to arrive at least two hours early, or risk missing their flights.
	A combination of factors is causing the delays, among the chief reasons The Transportation Security Administration's failure to enroll enough people in its expedited screening program called PreCheck.
	Only 9.3 million flyers have enrolled, just a fraction of the 25 million people the TSA had hoped it would have signed up by now.
	But based on the promise of PreCheck, Congress cut more than 4,600 TSA screeners, nearly 10 percent of the workforce.
	Now the TSA is scrambling.
	It's unconvinced that we can improve the process, we can improve efficiency, we can still meet our effectiveness targets, and we can improve the passenger experience.
	The TSA is shifting some resources to tackle lines at the nation's biggest airports, including using dogs to sniff bags and help lines move faster.
	Still, with more flyers and fewer security screeners, there's no easy solution on the horizon.
	The reporting is so sad on this because it was some form of promotion for the pre-check, which is not free and not easy.
	But how can this be okay?
	Now, I understand this is the TSA saying, we don't have enough people to do it.
	This is an outrageous story.
	Well, what's outrageous?
	I want to hear it.
	Well, it's outrageous because they come up with this crazy idea that makes it almost impossible to get pre-checked.
	I've tried to do it.
	I luckily fly PSA or PSA Southwest a lot, and they give you pre-check free.
	But to come up with some cockamamie program that doesn't work because it's impossible to sign up for it easily...
	And then just fire a bunch of people in advance because you projected all these, you know, it's going to be so successful.
	It's nuts.
	This is bad management.
	Well, it's even worse.
	How can we allow this to happen that we have huge lines in the unsecured area of the airport just two weeks after someone blew up an American Airlines check-in at an airport?
	Right.
	Where is that part of the story?
	They're missing that part of the story.
	You want to do a lot of damage, get in the line with the pack of a T-A-T-P, whatever it is.
	T-A-T-P. Make sure you're about halfway through the line.
	When you get really bored with being in the line, boom, you take out everybody.
	You're done.
	That's a huge threat.
	Just from a security standpoint, that's the first thing I thought.
	I was like, wow, that's not good to have a whole bunch of people.
	That's the way I feel when I'm standing in the line.
	I say, is there some mad bomber in here that's going to blow up the whole thing?
	Be afraid, slaves.
	Anyway.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they should rush these people.
	You should be rushed through that line.
	Yeah.
	Rushed.
	There should be a sense of urgency to get you out of that line.
	Yeah, because it's dangerous.
	It's dangerous.
	It's dangerous, I tell you.
	But no, it's about overtime and who's going to have to work the next shift.
	They don't even give a crap.
	There's no bombers anyway.
	Before we thank our producers and executive producers, I want to roll out a little anomaly that I noticed over the past week.
	I see, just came in today, apparently Apple has now released iOS 9.3.1, which would fix the problem I was having with my iPhone, and of course I was not alone.
	It is now day six, so six days after this started.
	Of course we had Easter, and why would anyone work on Easter?
	No.
	And I was right, actually.
	I was right about the shared web credentials, and it turns out...
	Well, the actual technical reason is not that interesting, because it's obfuscating something else.
	Because there was an issue with the iOS 9.3 release initially.
	If you probably saw...
	It was more than a week before my problem started.
	They issued it.
	It then quote-unquote bricked older iPhones.
	They pulled it back and reissued it.
	And there was something different about this.
	Okay.
	As you recall, this affected older devices.
	And what would happen was, you would install, the install would start, and then it would say, you need your iCloud credentials.
	And for whatever reason, that broke a lot of people's installs.
	So Apple took it back, then they re-released it.
	Now, even though it was 9.3...
	And the last few numbers of the release were the same.
	It was 2, 3.
	Actually, strangely enough, it was 3, 3 at the end.
	For those older phones.
	And then people could unbrick their phones.
	And there was iPad 2s, and here it comes.
	iPhone 5.
	And they could restore them with a new update without being signed by Apple, but being signed or authenticated by your iCloud login.
	And this was just quickly, they put it out, people could fix it, only for those devices, and it didn't really adhere to my problem.
	There were no other devices that were bricked.
	What's interesting is the next day, the FBI says...
	Yeah, we don't need Apple.
	We're all good.
	It's all fine.
	We're in.
	So you're adding two and two.
	I am.
	I'm saying Apple released something specifically for iPhone 5, iPad 2, and it didn't work, and then they re-released it, and instead of Apple signing the update, if you had iCloud credentials, which we know the FBI has the iCloud credentials because they reset them, it is not, as far as I understand, not dependent on the device to have the same password.
	You could override that for this one time, for this one release.
	Boom!
	Boom!
	Collaborators!
	Holy crap!
	Shave their heads, I tell ya!
	I've never even thought of what you just said.
	Being part of the solution to that other issue that we're having.
	And a lot of people are going to say, No!
	And it's fine.
	I'm just saying.
	You're going to say that anyway.
	With that voice, by the way.
	The timing of this is very, very suspicious.
	And, you know, so where is it?
	Do you think they're bringing these crazy Israelis?
	By the way, I think it's an insult that they supposedly brought these crazy unknown Israelis.
	Actually, their company's been named.
	They've done a lot of work for the services in the States.
	We have no good techies here that can do this domestically?
	I guess not.
	Just a bunch of schmucks?
	Got to bring in those sharp Israelis.
	Yeah.
	But maybe they had nothing.
	Maybe the Israelis didn't help at all.
	I'm just saying...
	That's my guess.
	Apple had an issue.
	It bricked people's phones.
	And it was specifically iPhone 5, iPad 2.
	They re-release.
	People are able to fix their phones because they were...
	As far as I understand, they were authenticating it this time.
	Not by the Apple key, but because they were bricked.
	This is what I'm understanding and people have also...
	At least partially confirmed their, or completely confirmed their suspicions.
	People are much smarter than me.
	And then they pull it back, and then the most recent release number is 337.
	Or not 33, but 37.
	That's the one that I got.
	And I didn't have to do any iCloud authentication.
	But then I said, oh, don't worry, Apple's magic box turned out not true.
	One day after they did that, I'm just putting two and two together.
	You're right.
	Could be wrong, but I'm...
	I like it.
	Is that coincidence?
	I think not!
	Coincidence?
	I think not!
	And with that, I'd like to...
	No such thing as a coincidence.
	I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C! With a C stands for...
	Coincidence?
	Dvorak!
	Well, in the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry, also in the morning to all ships and sea, foots on the ground, feets in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	Yeah, in the morning to the chat room!
	They've been very patient with us today as we had kind of a slow start, some technical issues.
	Noagendastream.com.
	Thank you very much to our artists, and we're going to thank...
	Who did we thank today?
	We thank Nick the Rats!
	Yeah, Nick.
	He brought us the artwork for episode 811.
	Nice one!
	It was the...
	There was a lot of good art that we had to argue about.
	We did.
	We depicted Nick art because what was there some specific reason?
	Well, he had the EU egg that was cracked and the yolk was bleeding out.
	So it was EU breaking up.
	It was Easter.
	It had all the elements.
	Yeah, it was the egg, which is Easter egg.
	And then the EU. It was dynamite.
	It was dynamite, I tell you.
	It was a nice piece.
	Very nice.
	It's good work, Nick.
	Well, we do have a few people to thank for show.
	What is this?
	812, 813?
	812, 812.
	812.
	We had one idea.
	I might just mention...
	I don't have to mention the idea you had, which was to do a B12 promotion.
	But it was a little too hack-sore for my taste, I guess.
	Sir Philip Tottenhauer, or is it Tottenhauer?
	Fotenhauer. Fotenhauer. Fotenhauer. Fotenhauer. Fotenhauer. Fotenhauer. Sir Philip Fotenhauer, who is, this is not an instant, I just, He's now at 3X, so he's barren now.
	Uh-huh, yeah.
	And as in Abe Barron, not Barron, he's in Tampa, Florida.
	John and Adam, please upgrade me to 3x status.
	Done.
	Some clarity on when de-douching is appropriate for members of the Roundtail.
	It's been a while since my last donation is appreciated.
	Anyway, that would be appreciated.
	With open protectorates starting to disappear in Deutschland.
	Is Deutschland spoken for?
	I believe so, yes.
	I believe we have a...
	Who do we have in Deutschland?
	He'll take Bavaria and Österreich.
	And notice he takes it as a consolation.
	Which is, to you Americans, it's Austria.
	Ostreich.
	As a consolation.
	That's pretty funny.
	Bavaria is part of, but it's okay.
	I think you can get this Bavaria.
	If there is a dispute, it will be resolved by the peerage committee.
	Now, I believe if he takes over Bayern, he also gets the Bayern Motorwerkfabriken.
	Maybe.
	BMW, I think.
	Doesn't he get a BMW? Yes, yes.
	Good.
	Yeah, BMW. Yeah, yeah.
	Well, you're at it.
	He's like a Trump bing, bing, bing, boom, and a jobs karma would be appreciated in regards to Sir Philip.
	I'm going to give him a de-douching because he's kind of on the fence if he deserves it or not.
	Oh, he deserves it.
	I think Barons can do whatever they want.
	You've been de-douched.
	Bing, bing, bong, bong, bing, bing.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Beautiful.
	Thank you very much.
	Uh, Dame Tanya there in New York, 364-41.
	She actually mailed in a check.
	And it has a picture of the original Rolling Stones on the back.
	It's like a little card.
	And, uh...
	That's when they were good because they had that.
	What's his name?
	The guy was the guitar player who died in the swimming pool.
	What's his name?
	Who died in the swimming pool.
	The guitar player that was on the original Rolling Stones.
	Oh, Brian Jones.
	Brian Jones.
	Yeah, Brian Jones.
	Yeah, Brian Jones.
	Well, we all know that it was really the manager that killed him.
	I wouldn't be surprised.
	They had a love affair.
	It was all messed up.
	It closes my tax refund donation, which completes my path to Viscountess.
	I'll send a separate email with the accounting.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, she's a Viscountess now.
	Nice, fantastic.
	Put her on the list.
	I don't think she's on the list.
	I think she is.
	I'll check.
	I don't think she is because it came in as a card and I never told Eric.
	Oh, okay.
	That would make sense.
	Yeah, no, it has it here.
	Baroness Tanya Viscountess.
	It's on.
	Huh.
	Magic.
	Thank you for your courage and passion in producing the best podcast in the universe.
	All the best, Tanya.
	Now, I'm going to do a meetup in New York.
	People have been wondering about it.
	I might as well just announce it on here, but I'll send a note out to everybody because a lot of people don't want to see the show.
	If you've got something to promote, I mean, you know, on a podcast, your message will get far.
	So on New York on Tuesday, April 5th, my birthday, I'm going to be having dinner at Sparks.
	Sparks.
	Sparks.
	Sparks Steakhouse.
	It's one of my favorite steakhouses in Manhattan.
	And I'm going to have dinner from 6 to 8.
	And at 8, let's do a meet-up in the bar at Sparks until they throw us out.
	So that's after 8?
	Yeah, 8 o'clock would be the meet-up time.
	Okay.
	Now, if I were you, if I were you personally, I would have said, meet up in the bar at Sparks after 8.
	Now you've set people up to come in and stalk you while you're eating.
	That's fine.
	Okay.
	We've got the whole family.
	We can take them.
	If anybody wants to come by and say hi past the table, that would look pretty cool, I think, actually.
	Yeah, no, they should be coming and bowing to you like your royalty.
	Oh, no, and handing me an envelope.
	And bowing to you and, hello, sir, hello, sir, hello.
	That would cause quite a stir.
	Yes, and then from time to time you just push one of them against their forehead and say, you're healed!
	Well, I probably won't do that.
	I can see a lot of eye rolling coming up.
	The Dvorak family.
	Oh yeah.
	The family only takes so much of it.
	Gregory Davis in Austin, Texas.
	This is Sir Gene's friend.
	Please accept my donation to the best podcast in the universe.
	This brings me to Knighthood.
	I'm excited to announce the release of my book.
	RE Think Sales Management?
	Is that RE part of the title?
	I'm not sure.
	I think it's Rethink.
	Rethink!
	We've got a capital T, lowercase R, lowercase E, which means, you know, B12. And then think, rethink sales management.
	Please send me the karma for my safe consulting startup and the website challengeassumptions.com, which this time, unlike the last donation, the website is actually ready.
	That droning bell noise may have thrown me off, but at least it has me donating.
	Please play my note to that tone and give me karma and happy joy, if that's a bit.
	I don't know what the happy...
	I don't think we have happy joy.
	Happy joy.
	I'm looking for this.
	I can't...
	I don't know what...
	I have no idea what he's talking about.
	Something that ringtone probably created.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, we're going to give him karma for sure and really appreciate his contribution and support of the show and the work.
	You've got karma.
	Merci beaucoup.
	Oh, this is not a good note.
	This is Sir Borislav Marinov, one of our old-time supporters.
	No, no, no.
	Mature supporters, not old or long-time supporters.
	He's one of our long-time supporters.
	23456 from Trabuco Canyon, California.
	Over a month without a job, he says.
	Please send some job, Carmen, because my application has been stuck for two weeks at some boss's desk waiting for his signature.
	Oh, man.
	Bogative!
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Miss Bob, how am I? No, I... Okay, now this is an interesting one.
	This is anonymous from Sterling, Virginia.
	23456, one of my favorite donations.
	You'd be an associate executive producer along with Boris Loft.
	He says he has a very distinctive first name.
	That's why he wants to be anonymous.
	He says, anonymous greetings from Northern Virginia.
	Ah, you sure it's the name?
	Yeah, okay.
	We need more donations from Northern Virginia, by the way.
	Yeah.
	You out there listening.
	Because, you know, yeah.
	I've been listening for almost two years now and the guilt has become too much to bear.
	I had to donate.
	Please accept this donation to the best podcast in the universe and consider it an initial payment towards knighthood.
	Keep up the fantastic work on this outstanding product.
	My only shout out is as follows.
	Hey Kenny, what's up with that insta-knighthood?
	Ha ha ha.
	I'm thinking about him having some kind of recognizable name or an odd name that people would know.
	And you think about it, most spooks that we know who are on TV as pundits, they're all Bob or Mike.
	You know what I mean?
	There's a lot of ones with weird names, too.
	But you're right.
	Bob and Mike are simple, simple names.
	Bob and Mike is good.
	John, you can put that in there.
	Bill.
	Bill.
	I'm going to give him a de-douching ending.
	You've been de-douched.
	You've got karma.
	I'm going to look up, see if we can find...
	Jeremiah?
	Yeah, I also have a note from him.
	So he may be in the email box.
	T-R-I-E-B-E-L. Let me see if I got a Jeremiah.
	I do not believe I have a Jeremiah in my box.
	Anybody got a Jeremiah in his box?
	It would be nice if it actually typed T-R-E-I-B-E-L. And we have just a couple of notifications from PayPal.
	No.
	So if he has a note for us or something he wants us to send, I will read it at a later date.
	Okay.
	So he sent in 23456 from Longville, Texas.
	Excellent.
	That would be that.
	Onward to Ignacio Salome.
	Salome.
	Salome, I'd say, yes.
	Could be Salome.
	He's in Gardena, California.
	200 bucks.
	And he has...
	Let's see what he's got here.
	I have a cursor.
	There he is.
	Hello, John and Adam.
	I've been listening to the show since November last year.
	774 to be exact.
	Congratulations on a great episode last Sunday, 8-11, and indeed it was.
	The pile of evidence you managed to extract from the propaganda machine all pointing to the possibility that ISIS is being controlled by the U.S. interests left me with the peace of mind of knowing that such an attack on American soil is highly unlikely.
	I figured I might as well just donate because I already pay a bunch of companies for peace of mind.
	Auto, apartment, medical insurance.
	So I consider my donation sanity insurance.
	I'd like to say hi to my friend and co-worker Henry Hernandez, who hit me in the mouth and proceeded to remind me of how much of a douche I was.
	Every time we discuss the show, please de-douche me and consider this my first contribution toward knighthood.
	I am an inspiring fiction writer, so please give me some much-needed karma to shop the writer's block away.
	Now, before we do that, we do need to talk about what happened to his donation or what happened to his PayPal account.
	Yes.
	And this was, yeah, his account, because he used the word ISIS. Well, we don't know that he used it, but we know from...
	Somebody did.
	Mark Hall, who supported us on, I think it was episode 805, because I looked it up for him.
	The money came through, but they blocked his account, and they specifically asked him...
	Why did you mention ISIS in the note of your donation?
	Right.
	So I'm just going to say, probably not a good idea to put that in your donation notes.
	Yeah, so Ignatius got through with the note.
	The other guy...
	Well, no, Mark's got through too, but the PayPal account got frozen after that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Do not use ISIS or ISIL. I don't know about Dash.
	I don't think anyone knows what that is.
	Just don't do any of that.
	Just be careful when you write these emails because PayPal and everybody is being looked at.
	Yeah, we're on a list now.
	We're all on a list.
	Yeah, we're all on a list.
	Because, you know, here's how it goes.
	Hey, we've had two things with ISIS. Could you just give us everyone who's donated to that PayPal account, please?
	It's all...
	They see this stuff as code.
	Code.
	But the thing is, the way I see it, it ends up giving us at least two or three more listeners.
	Yeah, within...
	They're in the van.
	But they're still listening.
	They're loving the show.
	Thank goodness.
	And by the way, when they listen, I'm sure being on the list doesn't last forever because they listen to one show and...
	These guys.
	I've heard about these two jokers.
	A podcast?
	ISIS doesn't use podcasting.
	That's the one part of the new media spectrum that ISIS has not conquered yet.
	There's no ISIS podcast.
	This is an outrage.
	Yeah, which makes you wonder about their great media.
	They're great with the internet.
	Where's the podcast?
	Where's the podcast?
	There should be a bunch of ISIS podcasts.
	Exactly.
	Alright, am I de-douching him first?
	Is that what I'm doing here?
	Yes, de-douche him.
	You've been de-douched.
	It's almost too delicious to believe, my friend.
	Don't eat me, Hillary Clinton!
	You might not.
	Okay.
	You've got karma.
	Very funny.
	And then finally, Laura Hickman in Virginia Beach, Virginia, $200.
	And I couldn't find a note from her.
	Let me check.
	Laura Hickman, you said?
	Yeah, good old Laura.
	Donated before.
	Hickman!
	No, I don't have any.
	I don't think.
	Laura or Heather?
	Laura.
	No, Heather's another one.
	No, don't have it.
	Well, she can send us something if she needs that.
	All right.
	That'll conclude our group of people that are the executive producers and associate executive producers to be named on the podcast as such.
	In the MP3 and the credits, yeah.
	For episode 812, and they get special credits, and they can put it on there, and you tell them you have the pitch, give it to them.
	The pitch is that these credits are real.
	Just like everything you see on a television show or in a movie, you see the executive producers, associate executive producers, either at the beginning or somewhere, you know, after the opening leader, we try to give that kind of respect, and these can be put on your IMDB. Your LinkedIn seems to work very well.
	Whatever you do, remember we have another show coming up on Sunday.
	And until then, you have many things you can do, one of which is propagate our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Hey, citizens.
	Shut up, slave.
	Shut up, slave.
	So I have a little tidbit about executive producers.
	Oh, okay.
	Which I never knew.
	Alright.
	Because they just don't talk.
	But...
	One of the executive producers is always, typically, if you're the showrunner, the person who actually makes the show work.
	Well, that's if it's a TV show, not a movie, but a TV show.
	No, no, not movies.
	It's not to do with movies.
	It's TV shows.
	Because TV shows are, the way credits are done is completely alien to movies.
	But executive producers on a TV show, one of them is the showrunner.
	Right.
	Which one?
	When they string them out, they got this and that.
	Well, you're not going to...
	Are you asking me a question?
	Well, I'm asking if you've heard this.
	Of course.
	Yes.
	I've worked in television all my life.
	Yeah, showrunner.
	Okay, who's the showrunner?
	Who is the showrunner?
	Showrunner is the person...
	Yeah.
	The showrunner is ultimately responsible for the whole kit and caboodle.
	How can you spot him on the credits?
	Oh, how can you spot him on the credits?
	I don't know.
	The last executive producer...
	Is the showrunner.
	It's also often created by.
	That's also often the showrunner.
	In fact, 90% of the time, the showrunner is also the created guy.
	Created by guy.
	But he's also listed at the end of the credit run as an executive producer.
	In fact, John Bokenkamp, who does the blacklist, it says created by.
	And then they have all these executive producers and then sometimes two.
	I don't know why they put two and then one and then one.
	And then the last one is, again, Bokenkamp.
	So if you're ever, if somebody out there is into business or they want to be into business or they want to write like this one guy's going to write fiction and you want to get a hold of the showrunner for one of the shows, that guy is the one you want to get a hold of.
	That's the guy.
	So that's the guy.
	Showrunner.
	Because there was some guy who wrote a big, one of these guys who's like a lesser executive producer.
	He's like a writer and he's also executive producer once in a while.
	He wrote this long essay about how to deconstruct the credits.
	Oh, the credits?
	Oh, I should put that in the show notes.
	Yeah, I lost it.
	It was a while ago.
	I just remembered it now.
	But, yeah.
	Anyway, there's a little tip for you out there that you won't get on any other show.
	A little tip.
	A little tip.
	Hey, man.
	Last night, mainstream media was carpet bombing Donald Trump.
	Oh yeah.
	Unbelievable.
	And carpet bombing is the only appropriate comparison.
	I'm amazed the guy's alive at all.
	It's astonishing to me that it took him so long, but And actually what's really astonishing is he just did such a poor job of fending them off.
	I think he just dropped the ball and I think he lost his touch or something.
	Oh no, it was a huge B12 moment.
	He totally, he got flustered.
	Yeah.
	He fucked up.
	He fucked up.
	He's 70, so he can have B12 moments, and this is definitely one of them, and they didn't waste any time.
	And you're right.
	Carpet bombing is the only way to do it, to put it.
	Now, and it was, I'm looking like, dude, do you know what's coming out of your face right now?
	Because you just said something really fucking stupid.
	And I think he was just flustered.
	You know, and yeah, so he messed that up big time.
	He's going to have to eat crow.
	And what we're talking about, in case you didn't see it, is he wound up saying that if a woman has an abortion, then the woman should be penalized.
	Punished.
	And I have to say that whoever was interviewing, was it Chris Matthews?
	Punished.
	Was it Chris Matthews who was interviewing him?
	I forget.
	Matthews was, yeah.
	Matthews was, and Matthews was peppering him.
	He flustered him.
	He flustered him.
	I don't know why he would even do Chris Matthews' show.
	But he totally flustered him, and Trump, of course, Trump, an hour or two later, said, oh, no, no, this is a statement.
	I think he's, if he doesn't do the following, he's an idiot.
	This is exactly the moment when he should come out and say, hey, you know what?
	Everyone wants to hear me say it?
	Yeah.
	I made a mistake.
	I'm sorry.
	I was wrong.
	Boom!
	Done.
	That's what I'd advise.
	I'm stunned that he hasn't done that.
	Me too.
	This is the point in the campaign where consultants should be listened to.
	Yes, this is where they've got to bring it in.
	Because right now, he's probably irked about this, and he's not handling the retraction properly.
	And you're exactly right.
	What he should do is apologize and say he was wrong.
	Just say he was wrong.
	He was confused.
	It's completely...
	Idiotic.
	You're going to be confused, too, when you get the red button.
	Now, what I did want to do is...
	Because last night...
	And I don't have all the names of these people because I was recording this all off the television.
	And I'm just cutting it as soon as possible.
	And so it's not that important.
	But we had Don Lemon, who was in charge of the carpet bombing.
	And Pooper, of course, as well.
	And Don Lemon...
	Well, not he, but you're about to hear some funny stuff.
	He brought in two right-wing radio hostesses.
	I don't know their names.
	So he drummed them up from somewhere, and he had both of them come into common.
	Now, what they're commenting on in this particular clip is not about the abortion gaffe.
	This is about Michelle Fields, which is now just...
	Such epic proportions, this incredible, outrageous event that took place.
	And I just wanted you to hear some of the words they're using to describe Donald Trump.
	So these are, I guess, technically Republican surrogates, but certainly not for Donald Trump.
	On with Don Lemon, who is...
	The guy is orgasmic.
	You know, as a female reporter, Breitbart, where Michelle Fields was working, was very friendly to the Trump campaign.
	So, I mean, the sort of excuse that Donald Trump's campaign initially gave at the very start of this was, Michelle, I didn't know that you were with Breitbart.
	So the fact that that was sort of the excuse, that I didn't know you were with Breitbart...
	If he's willing to do that to someone who is the most friendly campaign, the most friendly outlet possible to his campaign, who is he going to do that to next?
	The Washington Post, CNN. Oh!
	Oh my God!
	What will he do next, John?
	It's not going to just be an arm grab.
	I mean, this is sort of his test.
	If he can get away with sort of manhandling the press in this manner, there's no stopping it.
	Oh, you could be kicking everybody's ass.
	No stopping him.
	No stopping him whatsoever.
	All that guy did, we've talked about it.
	You had the clip and then you see the video.
	Let's do the deconstruction in a minute.
	So he can get through.
	We're going to do the deconstruction in a minute.
	This is just the funny stuff.
	Now, okay, so let's ratchet it up one notch.
	Let's go to the other person.
	She should not have been doing that.
	And she didn't fall to the ground.
	Don's going to get a response based upon what Trump said.
	She wasn't dragged to the ground and all of the things that she said, Anderson.
	I stick up for people, and I don't want to ruin somebody's life.
	It would have been very easy for me to do so.
	Why are you shaking your head, Bethany?
	He sounds like a domestic abuser.
	I mean, she didn't fall to the ground.
	She wasn't that badly hurt.
	She had a pen in her hand.
	It could have been anything.
	She was vetted by the Secret Service.
	Everyone on that campaign has been traveling together.
	They know who she is.
	They know she's with Breitbart.
	And now, suddenly, if she wasn't that badly hurt, I mean, you sort of hear these excuses from domestic abusers.
	You know, it was just a black guy.
	It's not like I broke You crunched through it, but I want you to hear that.
	Just hear, she is calling him a domestic abuser.
	Black eye.
	It's not like I broke her arm.
	It's not like I killed her.
	I mean, this is very classic misogyny, and I'm one of the last people to ever use that term willy-nilly.
	Wow.
	Willy-nilly.
	I like to know who this is, because she's not one of the big three that I know of.
	He mentions her name in the...
	She should...
	I stick up for people, and it's very easy for me to do so.
	Why are you shaking your head, Beth?
	Beth.
	Beth.
	I have no idea.
	Look her up.
	All right.
	Now, so the carpet bombing is on.
	It's great.
	It's just, it's great.
	Now, let's bring, now I have to say, Don then brought in some other, another right-wing female talk show host.
	There were no men who could weigh in on the issue, of course, because what do we know about battery or assault?
	We're just all abusers, domestic abuse.
	And here's what she said.
	I can't believe what I'm hearing.
	I heard the term domestic abuser.
	Wow.
	First of all, their facts are completely wrong.
	I believe one of them said that they knew who Michelle Fields was because she covered the Trump beat for Breitbart.
	That's completely wrong.
	She didn't cover the Trump beat.
	The regular reporter for Breitbart that covers Donald Trump was sick that day, so they sent Michelle.
	So please know your facts before you chime in on this.
	So no, they didn't know who she was.
	All they saw was a very aggressive woman coming up to Mr.
	Trump, touching his arm.
	The Secret Service stated that she touched him twice.
	They had warned her to stop, and she continued to do so.
	So if anything, she committed battery on Donald Trump.
	You see in the video that he flinches, jerks back.
	That's in the surveillance video that everybody has seen.
	So this was a defensive move on his part.
	And Corey comes in and steps in to avoid the situation, to get between them.
	How on earth is this even an issue?
	This was an aggressive reporter who failed to do her job, didn't ask questions at the Q&A as she was supposed to.
	And then got annoyed probably just because Donald Trump ignored her.
	She wasn't able to ask her question and embellish this crazy story.
	I don't know how this has become an issue.
	And it's disgusting, frankly, to hear somebody use the term domestic abuser when there are women in this country daily that truly are victims of domestic abuse.
	I'm angry to even hear that as a woman and most of all as a conservative.
	So this is an alternative story, and what is interesting about this is apparently she was not the regular reporter, and she was only there for the first time filling in because the regular reporter was sick.
	Taking into account the audio, which I think we should replay in a moment, the video, which doesn't really show all that much, and you'll notice during this whole conversation, no one is playing the audio.
	They're only showing the video and giving you a narrative of what they believe they're seeing.
	But you have to understand that one of the largest investors in the Breitbart News Network is Robert Mercer.
	He runs a hedge fund, Renaissance Technologies.
	He's also one of the donors of the ProCrew Super PAC. So if you have something like this...
	Where these two people also immediately stood up and left.
	Oh, I'm quitting because Breitbart's not supporting me.
	Fishy.
	To say the least.
	Very fishy.
	Now, Pooper continued this, and I like this one a lot.
	Oh, actually, let's just hear Ben Shapiro quickly, because, of course, he's also left.
	This is a douchebag, man.
	Here's what he said.
	What are your thoughts on the charges levied against Corey Lewandowski?
	I mean, I think that it's the police's job to decide whether a charge is merited or not, and simple battery is merited under Florida law.
	Isn't it crazy how Ben Shapiro sounds like Ted Cruz?
	People don't have to kind of realize that he was a 12, I think he's like 12 or 10 or 12 year old conservative wunderkind who used to espouse the conservative principles that are kind of Modern conservative principles that you might get from Ted Cruz or some of these people that harp on the Constitution.
	And I believe as he's gotten older, because he still gets a lot of attention, and he's still a fast talker, and he always had quick replies to things.
	He, I think, is disappointed in his career path, because he ended up on Breitbart, which is not like, you know, the New York Times.
	I think he's going to start something up.
	Well, it appears to me that this was a setup.
	It's certainly a possibility, considering all of the crap that went down with this, including...
	Well, let's just play it now.
	Including the audio, which we just...
	They're not playing it anymore.
	That's the thing that is so incredibly lame.
	And we played it for you on episode 807, five episodes ago.
	And this was...
	Okay, here's the...
	You're going to play it again?
	Yeah.
	Mr.
	Trump, you went after the late Scalia for affirmative action.
	Are you still against affirmative action?
	Thank you.
	Hey, Ben.
	Holy shit.
	Yeah, he just like...
	I can't believe he just did that.
	What?
	Was that for you?
	Yeah, like what threat were you?
	That was insane.
	That was insane.
	You should have felt how hard he grabbed me.
	That's insane.
	Oh my gosh.
	I've never had it.
	Can I put it in my story?
	Yeah, go for it.
	That was really awesome.
	Yeah, go for it.
	Oh my god.
	So unprofessional?
	So unprofessional?
	He literally went like this and grabbed me.
	I don't want to do what he just did to me.
	Someone would do that.
	What threat were you?
	Nothing.
	No threat.
	I was asking about affirmative action.
	Alright, there we go.
	That's why they don't play the audio, because it's not ratings worthy.
	There's nothing going on.
	There's another little kind of a thing that's always bugged me about this.
	And a Washington Post reporter witnessed it.
	Yeah.
	But he never chimes in and says what he witnessed.
	What he witnessed was revealed in that audio tape.
	He witnessed it.
	Yeah, he witnessed it, but it doesn't mean he witnessed battery.
	No.
	He just witnessed it.
	And I want to talk about battery in a moment, but first let's go back to CNN with the carpet bombing, Pooper on, four women, five with Pooper.
	And this is all, it says all women, all women, nothing about women.
	And then he brings in, appropriately brings in another woman who doesn't like it, and she triggered one of the panelists.
	So I have to say, trigger warning, trigger warning, trigger warning.
	And it is unfair, both from a journalistic standard to presume that Mr.
	Lewandowski is guilty, and it's unfair from a criminal justice standard.
	And I'm quite frankly ashamed that women would...
	That is the trigger.
	Ashamed.
	Trigger.
	I'm quite frankly ashamed that women who are journalists would go out and presume this man guilty in the court of public opinion.
	Let me just point out, the Secret Service, on the record, says they don't comment on anything like this, and the Daily Mail is the Daily Mail one.
	Well, CNN is CNN, Anderson.
	We should take that into consideration.
	We'll take that into consideration.
	I find it astonishing that this is the first time I've heard Kelly say the word ashamed, but she's ashamed of women standing up for another woman who was assaulted by the campaign manager of her candidate.
	Now you have to understand, in today's millennial culture, shaming someone is about the worst thing you can do.
	So when you said, I am ashamed of you, you are shaming someone.
	And this, on college campuses around the country, is a huge trigger.
	This is the first time you're ashamed.
	You don't know that.
	You're not ashamed of the fact that Donald Trump is called women fat pigs.
	You're not ashamed of the fact that Donald Trump decided he was going to pay for the legal fees of someone who assaulted a protester.
	You're not ashamed of the fact that Donald Trump can never apologize for anything.
	I said I don't like those things, Tara.
	But you didn't use the word ashamed.
	You should be ashamed of those things.
	You're ashamed of women standing up in journalism, standing up for someone else in a situation that a person running for president should have absolutely no involvement in whatsoever.
	This should have been handled over with and done.
	But he has an inability to apologize.
	Let Kayleigh respond.
	Let Kayleigh respond.
	No, I have said many times, Tara, it's disingenuous to say that I have not disowned those things, because on this very network, I have said it was inappropriate for Donald Trump to retweet that picture of Heidi Cruz.
	However, you just said a man who's guilty of assault.
	Tara, do you know that you are defaming someone?
	You could actually be brought into court for alleging that...
	Is that true?
	Do you think that she did that?
	That could be a possible offense that she did that?
	Yep, I think so too.
	I think she's right.
	It's something that he did not do.
	So Tara, no, you're not Tara, but I would watch your words because that's a violation of the highest principle of journal ethics.
	Are you kidding me?
	It's a violation of our criminal justice system to presume someone guilty on TV when there are two varying accounts, Tara.
	I love it.
	Really?
	Really?
	Don't we all know really that this is the man I am?
	One at a time.
	One at a time.
	So you're not concerned about Donald Trump's words when he...
	Cooper could get a gig on Bravo, you know, hurting these angry women everywhere.
	He's thinking to himself, catch fight, great.
	He's thinking to himself, that's why I'm gay.
	That's what he's thinking to himself.
	Donald Trump's words when he lies in one sentence, he says one thing and then says something else.
	You're not concerned about Donald Trump when he says that women should be punished for having abortions and then changes his mind three times later.
	I love that.
	Changes his mind three times later.
	What?
	I think he changed his mind once.
	Times later, you know, after two hours when he got in trouble for it.
	I haven't been asked about that, so don't put words into my mouth when I haven't been asked about that subject.
	Because you consistently defend the indefensible with Donald Trump, and you're doing it again today.
	No, I don't.
	I just pointed out two things that I did at tariffs.
	It's about common decency.
	Let's just take...
	But the carpet bombing was everywhere, including a rare occurrence from the podium at the White House during the daily briefing with spokeshole Joss Earnest.
	I am confident that neither President Obama nor President Bush would tolerate someone on their staff being accused of physically assaulting a reporter, lying about it, and then blaming the victim.
	That is completely unacceptable behavior.
	I think I forgot to play the Ben Shapiro thing.
	We talked so long about him.
	20 seconds.
	What are your thoughts on the charges levied against Corey Lewandowski?
	I mean, I think that it's the police's job to decide whether a charge is merited or not.
	And simple battery is merited under Florida law, clearly.
	And, you know, Corey Lewandowski is a lying liar who lies.
	His boss is a lying liar who lies, and they're both thugs.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Moving on.
	And they're both...
	I thought thugs were black people.
	I'm confused now.
	I always thought thugs were black people.
	We were told, yeah.
	It's Trump.
	I don't understand.
	I'm so confused now.
	Guys have got to get their act together.
	It needs to be in the glossary.
	No kidding.
	I'm kidding on the glossary.
	Now, do you have anything you want to insert?
	Because I got tons of stuff.
	No, I mean, I just kind of let it slide.
	I was thinking if you wanted to talk about it, it's fine.
	The last show, I made a point of, I think we're talking about Trump.
	It's boring.
	But, again, I did see all this.
	I saw all the action.
	I was rolling my eyes most of the time.
	The one I thought was good.
	I don't know if you have that clip or not.
	But the only one where they really, I thought a pooper nailed Trump was in the town hall where they brought these two, these guys, these debates are stupid.
	I don't think anyone listens anymore.
	But he did have this, when Trump made the comment, well, he started it about the picture of the ugly wife.
	And he said, that's a response of a five-year-old.
	Yeah, and then Cooper says, ah, that's the response of a five-year-old.
	And then Trump was still flat-footed.
	I think he's been flat-footed.
	I think he's off his cycle.
	He's tired.
	Trump should have said, if he wanted to get the big laugh, was, no, I think it's more like a 12-year-old.
	I've had five-year-olds.
	You've never had children.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	That would have been so much better.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	Okay.
	So Hillary, of course, Hillary Clinton jumped right on board.
	Oh, yeah.
	And what she did was to...
	I think she made a mistake as well, as she is now pivoting towards the...
	What do you call it?
	Towards the general election.
	And she said, oh, that's the way all the Republicans think and talk.
	I think that's a mistake.
	I believe she should have just kept hammering Trump...
	Because the other guys came out and said, no, we don't believe in that, and that's not what we're about, and this is a mistake, etc.
	But what was more interesting is when she was on the phone with Pooper, something cropped up again.
	You go through the last month, and there's just a lot of evidence that his behavior has been inciting violence.
	You're obviously trying to fend off a primary challenge from Senator Sanders.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	And I'll roll it back, because you've got to listen.
	It has not gotten any better.
	Her cough is bad.
	You're obviously trying to fend the primary challenge from Senator Sanders.
	It's bad.
	It's been a while she's had this cough now.
	Yeah, she's got something wrong.
	She's got an ailment.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, definitely needs to be careful on that.
	Very, very careful.
	Uh, okay.
	Then we had...
	This was...
	Hillary got an endorsement from Chuck Schumer.
	Wow.
	Another guy we should be advising.
	Have a listen.
	Oops.
	Hillary!
	Hillary.
	Hillary.
	That's Chuck Schumer going.
	Chuck Schumer.
	Insane.
	He is insane.
	Insane.
	Hillary.
	Whatever you want to say.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, then we have...
	I think I'm missing something here that I wanted to bring up.
	Oh, well, we'll have to find that later.
	Okay, we can move on to the people for Bernie Sanders, just to cover some election stories here.
	And then I want to roll into something that you started off.
	Actually, we've been talking about an email, rare email thread where we've been back and forth with someone at least three times.
	Happens.
	People in Arizona are very, very angry about what happened with the polling.
	From what I understand, the state removed a lot of polling places.
	And this wasn't covered very well.
	I missed it.
	Maybe I was watching something else.
	It was covered pretty well.
	It wasn't covered with any editorial bent.
	It was just kind of flat covered by the news media.
	Well, the people of Arizona had a town hall where they could air their grievances, and it was packed.
	This is voter suppression at its best.
	Standing in line four or five...
	And these are all Bernie supporters, by the way.
	...of hours to vote.
	How can we call a winner when there are thousands of people still in line?
	This is a travesty of justice.
	I really feel there's criminal intent.
	They had one polling location for 100,000 students.
	There were tons of people like myself that had to turn around, people that were crying, people that were in pain.
	They could not handle the wait times, and they left.
	Voting must be simple.
	This last election, as you see, it was not simple.
	We the people know that our electoral process has been corrupted.
	The fraudulent fiasco guised as a presidential primary on March 22, 2016 needs to be nullified and constituents need to be allowed to vote.
	Some of us to re-vote.
	The corruption has become so established that it got comfortable.
	So comfortable that it got lazy.
	So lazy that you got caught.
	No more voter suppression can be tolerated.
	We demand that our votes be counted.
	We demand a re-vote on June 7th with an open primary.
	Hey, wait for my favorite guy.
	This is ridiculous.
	I want a re-vote.
	Hey, man.
	This guy's totally hammered.
	Hey, man.
	Let's legalize marijuana while we're at it.
	This is ridiculous, man.
	You know, the 100,000 students for one polling place is the giveaway.
	Of course it is.
	That's his audience.
	That's his audience.
	I forgot to mention, I looked up the legal definition of battery, just to go back to the Michelle Fields for a thing.
	Ah, yes.
	And there are a lot of exceptions when battery is justified.
	Battery, which battery can be, just so you know, battery can be touching, even touching your clothing doesn't have to be.
	I mean, a battery is touching.
	But with some form of intent to achieve something which doesn't necessarily have to be violence.
	The exceptions, however, if someone is committing a felon, you can arrest them, citizens arrest, you can battery them.
	But most interestingly...
	Let me just find the exact spot in this definition.
	It's all, of course, in the show notes at 812.noagendanotes.com.
	Here we go.
	Sorry, just skip me.
	Here we go.
	Here we go.
	We have one situation...
	A battery may be justified as a necessary means of defense in some situations.
	One, against the plaintiff's assaults in the following instances.
	In defense of himself, his wife, his child, or, and this is very good, a servant may commit battery to protect his master.
	And these words are used in the legal definition.
	Master-servant relationship.
	And I don't know the definition of master-servant relationship because of slavery, but in the legal definition, a servant may commit battery to protect his master.
	And that would be a justified means.
	Yeah, justified means.
	Now, I'm not a lawyer, but I've done two divorces myself successfully.
	So you must know something, yeah.
	Back to Bernie.
	We had a little email thing with one of our producers about what was happening with the media blackout on Bernie Sanders in Washington State.
	And he had some assumptions.
	He swept.
	He swept.
	Did he sweep?
	Kicked ass in Washington, I think 70% or something like that.
	And we had a three-way, the three of us, On email about why.
	And your assertion, which I think is correct, is?
	My assertion is very simple.
	Bernie is the only person who's ever been sincere, because everyone else talks a big game about campaign finance reform, but he's actually sincere about it.
	At least it's believed that he's sincere.
	Believed enough so that the networks aren't going to cover him at all, no matter how he packs them.
	And he'll fill up a...
	Football field.
	The Rolling Stones could do no better, and it won't be covered.
	Meanwhile, they will cover a small gathering of 40 harpies in an auditorium listening to Hillary.
	They've got the cameras for that, but they won't cover Bernie.
	And the reason is because they're scared to death that he is essentially, and I use the word essentially, He's essentially threatening their business.
	Their bottom line.
	Their bottom line is threatened by campaign finance reform if it's going to be implemented in the way he's describing it.
	And it's possible that there's two things going on.
	One, it's possible he can actually make it happen, which that won't happen.
	But the real problem is him talking about it so much.
	He keeps talking and talking and talking about it, and the network's saying, look, he's going to give people ideas.
	They're going to get ideas, and it's going to hurt us.
	It's going to screw our bottom line.
	I mean, Les Moonves talks about this openly, how much money CBS makes over these campaigns because of all the money that's spent.
	Yeah, he's done.
	He's never going to get any coverage.
	So the genesis of this is very interesting.
	Then I came across an interview with...
	I've never seen this guy.
	His name is...
	What is his name?
	It's like...
	Hold on a second.
	He has a show...
	Interestingly enough, his show is called The Agenda.
	What's this guy's name?
	I'll come up to it in a second.
	I've never heard of it.
	He's one of these guys, like a mid-level guy.
	He was somewhere else.
	I don't know if this is on TV or if it's...
	But it was really...
	The guy's a very nice conversationalist.
	He listens very closely.
	He's not trying to jump in all the time.
	It's a half hour.
	And he interviewed Micah White.
	Do you remember Michael White?
	Probably not.
	I do, vaguely.
	He was really the Occupy founder.
	He started Occupy.
	Right.
	Very, very intelligent guy.
	And because of this email thread, and I know the universe does this to us sometimes, it fell right into this conversation about Bernie, and we can now go back to the roots of the Occupy movement to see how this came to be.
	And you'll recall, we were very, very focused.
	I mean, we were talking about Occupy Wall Street, Weeks and weeks and weeks before the media even acknowledged it was happening.
	You remember this?
	Oh, yeah.
	In fact, much of our discussion was about how it's being ignored.
	Yeah.
	I didn't go back and get anything, but there's tons of clips from around that time.
	So, the birth of Occupy.
	Listen to this.
	What made you think that this kind of protest was different from anything that had preceded it?
	I think part of it was the historical situation that was going on, and I think that part of it also was this new shift towards leaderlessness that we were seeing in Spain.
	That was really inspiring, I think, to see that the people of Spain were kind of doing these consensus-based General Assembly And they weren't marching.
	They weren't, you know, but instead they were kind of like manifesting the ideal of democracy.
	So I think it had some kind of magical thinking about we could manifest a perfect form of democracy and like...
	Just follow that thread through.
	What did you think that you might be able to achieve by doing this?
	I think that, you know, the sky was the limit.
	I think that Cullen and I, and I think a lot of people, were thinking about regime change in the sense of getting rid of the power of money to influence our democracy, which, you know, in 2010, the U.S. Supreme Court said that corporations and unions can give unlimited money to candidates.
	And we know that the candidate who spends the most wins 90% of the time.
	And so we were trying to overturn a decision made by the highest court, which You know, at that time, it sounds naive now, but they had toppled the Tunisian dictator.
	They had toppled the dictator of Egypt.
	We thought we could topple the financial dictator of America.
	So there you have the genesis of this campaign, of Bernie, I would say.
	And, of course, the next question.
	I really like this guy.
	His name is Steve Paikin, P-A-I-K-I-N. So Paikin, Paikin, something like that.
	And of course, the question any no agenda listener or producer says is, well, how'd that work out for you?
	How'd you do there with Occupy Wall Street, dude?
	And how much of that plan do you think actually came true?
	Well, we didn't achieve that goal, for sure.
	And that's why I call Occupy Wall Street a constructive failure.
	It failed to achieve what we set out to achieve, but in failing, I think it taught us a lot about the limitations of contemporary activism.
	It taught us about the limitations of that storyline of activism we were following and chasing with Occupy Wall Street.
	So in the end, I mean, it's good.
	A failure, we learn from our failures, but I do think it's important to acknowledge it as a failure so that we can learn from it.
	Now, I like this guy.
	I like what he's saying.
	He totally acknowledges what happened, and I was ready to kind of I'm looking for something.
	I'm listening very carefully.
	So, the protests.
	They realized the protests did not work.
	Did you get close to your goal?
	Did you get somewhere close to your goal?
	I think that every social movement, every protest is really like, it's like testing a hypothesis.
	And I think that the great thing about October Wall Street is that we tested a hypothesis that basically has been dominating contemporary activism for so long.
	That hypothesis being that the best way to get social change is to get millions of people into the streets, rallying around a unified message.
	We tested that.
	And I think that we definitively tested that.
	I think that we created something that spread to 82 countries, 1,000 encampments.
	I mean, you can't really say it should have been bigger or we should have had more people.
	No, it was plenty big.
	It was plenty big, you know?
	So the beautiful thing is we tested that hypothesis, we tested that idea, and now we know it's not true.
	Do you know why you were unable to sway the balance of power?
	Basically, our theory of change was wrong.
	I think that at the very base of it, the people in power don't have to listen to protest.
	This is, I think, something that we don't want to hear.
	We don't want to hear that because it means maybe we don't live in a democracy.
	But the fact is that we've been operating under this illusion that there's some sort of law that says, hey, if you can get X number of people into the streets, then, well, because we live in a democracy, your representatives will somehow have to listen to you.
	Well, because it sometimes does work.
	It seems to work in some cases, and it's very strange.
	I think that it sometimes works when it works to justify a pre-existing tendency within the government.
	For example, they kind of overthrew Mubarak because Mubarak stepping down was kind of what the Western geopolitical system wanted.
	And so they could point to the protesters and they could say, like, look, you have people in the streets.
	You have to listen to them.
	You need to step down.
	But when those exact same tactics were basically imported into America, Obama completely ignored the movement.
	He didn't mention Occupy Wall Street until it was evicted from Zuccotti.
	Until basically he was sure that it was done is when he started to kind of talk about it.
	Zuccotti, that park in New York City.
	Right.
	The park that we...
	The first encampment.
	You know, so...
	I think that that gives us this kind of, that's one of the reasons activists make a mistake, is because we start to see that sometimes protests seem to work, but it seems like that's in the times when it kind of justifies a pre-existing disposition of the government.
	It's weird.
	It's weird.
	No.
	Memo.
	I've got a little thing to insert.
	Please.
	A friend of mine works at the New York Times and was an activist during the Vietnam War.
	During the Vietnam War, there was nothing but protests.
	There were tons of them.
	They were everywhere.
	People were bitching and moaning constantly.
	And there were violent protests.
	People were getting killed.
	There was all kinds of action everywhere.
	And he says he was so depressed when Dean Rusk wrote his biography.
	Who's Dean Rusk?
	Dean Rusk was, I think, the head of the Defense Department or Secretary of State, one of the two.
	I think Defense Department during the Kennedy or Johnson administration.
	Or both.
	Johnson.
	And he was...
	We wrote his biography.
	McNamara was, I think, defense.
	McNamara and Rusk were these two guys.
	And it was one of their books.
	I read this in the biographies and he said it turns out that the protesters had absolutely zero effect on Washington.
	They were not being paid any attention to.
	It didn't give a crap.
	And they were going to do what they were going to do and they were going to do it the way they were going to do it anyway.
	And it was just, he said to himself, I felt like an idiot.
	I went through all this work.
	And it was just like it was futile.
	There was nothing to it.
	I didn't get anywhere.
	I wasn't accomplishing anything.
	What I like is that he says it's really weird.
	Protests seem to work when the government wants it to work.
	And it's strange how it doesn't work when the government doesn't want it.
	Yeah, the protests in Tahrir Square were abused.
	By the U.S. government for regime change.
	And this is what they were modeling it on, is on this regime change and we can do this.
	They were suckered by the Arab Spring.
	Yes, and of course we know that the movement got hijacked, which he addresses here with a term I was not familiar with.
	When you would try to interview the leader of Occupy, there was no such thing.
	And when you tried to get the single message that came out of Occupy, there was no such thing.
	Have you come to the conclusion that that was a mistake?
	I mean, it's a difficult question.
	And we told people, let's go down to Wall Street, let's come up with our One Demand, and we thought, let's make that One Demand, you know, set up a presidential commission to get money out of politics.
	But the thing is, I was based in Berkeley, California.
	Culla and Ad Buster's based in Vancouver.
	So when the idea went to New York City, it was taken up by people who believed in something called prefigurative anarchism, which I had never heard of.
	And under that paradigm, you don't make demands.
	Instead, you build the ideal society within the microcosm of the protests.
	And so it wasn't so much a mistake as it was the only way it could have gone.
	Prefigurative anarchism.
	Yeah, I never heard of that either.
	Well, prefigurative politics, according to the Book of Knowledge, are modes of organization and social relationships that strive to reflect the future society being sought by the group.
	So what they were seeking was leaderless democracy.
	Yeah, which is a form of anarchism.
	Yes.
	And here's him talking about that leaderless movement and how that worked out.
	Mic check!
	Mic check!
	Hello!
	Mic check!
	John, mic check!
	Mic check!
	I think that the beautiful thing of Occupy is that it did give us this idea of horizontalism and leaderlessness, that we should no longer invest the will of our movements into single individuals, and that there is a kind of power in the group, which is really an idea that we kind of got from Spain.
	You know, they also, with their consensus-based assemblies, it's not something we just made up, it was something that was kind of floating around the global movement.
	I think that was beautiful.
	I think it's true.
	And I think that leaderlessness wasn't a complete failure, but the way in which it was practiced during Occupy with a very strict consensus-based, you know, it paralyzed us.
	Yeah.
	Attention.
	If you're in college, if you're a millennial, pay attention.
	What you are trying to do does not work.
	We could not come up with, we could not come to complex decisions.
	We, in fact, like you're saying, we could not put forward articulate spokespersons because people like Cullen and I and other articulate spokespersons would recuse ourselves.
	In fact, we would say we're not taking any interviews.
	And there was a kind of tendency to tear down any potential leaders or any charismatic individuals.
	So the way in which leadersness was practiced, I think, was possibly not correct.
	But the ideal, I think, is still something that we need to figure out and chase after.
	Yeah, no, don't chase.
	Please, don't chase after that.
	Now, of course, and this is wrapping it up.
	This guy, who I like, he asked the right question.
	Follow my twisted logic here, if you will.
	Okay.
	Can you take some credit in the fact that Bernie Sanders is as popular as he is right now?
	Because, in effect, he's running a campaign on a lot of the themes that you guys raised, namely, the system is crooked, there's too much political money in it, the 99% and their agenda is being completely disregarded for the corporate agenda in America.
	Now, he's not going to win the nomination, but he's having a hell of a run.
	You take any credit in that?
	I think that, yeah, I do.
	I mean, I think that Occupy Wall Street, though, can take credit for the rise of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump in the sense that both of these candidates represent people who are desperate for social change.
	They're desperate for change.
	We haven't solved any of the economic inequalities that We created our movement, the AKPY movement.
	But at the same time, they are suspicious of the old protest methods.
	They're looking for new things.
	But, you know, I think my critique of both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders is that they are still a regression to that old leader-based style.
	It's still the system of, like, putting my hopes into this singular individual.
	But they want to speak for the voiceless.
	That is one thing those two very different guys have in common.
	They want to represent people who feel underrepresented.
	Right, and I think that they are both the result of acknowledging that there is this passion among the 99% that is willing to kind of, that wants someone who's going to say, I'm going to smash things up and make things different.
	And so I think that, yeah, I think that it is a beautiful thing, but at the same time, I'm a little bit wary of them.
	I don't think there is.
	Is there any historical precedent for leaderless democracy?
	Not that I can think of.
	No.
	There's always a leader.
	The system that's been established is a pyramid.
	There are people that don't want to lead.
	There are people that want to be led.
	This is the problem.
	Most people want to be led.
	There's a lot of people that want to be led.
	In fact, I remember listening to Serpico, the cop, the real cop.
	New York, yeah.
	Yeah, the New York cop who was, they made a movie about this guy.
	Yeah.
	His lament was that when he finally, when this all came out, the corruption of the New York Police Department came to the fore and he now became a TV, short-term TV celebrity.
	One of the things he said after this, he says he didn't like doing that because he says it turns out that all people wanted from him on all these talk shows and all these other things is for him to tell them what to do.
	And he never wanted to do that.
	He says he came to the conclusion that a lot of people, if not most people, want to be led around by the nose.
	And he just couldn't do it.
	That was not his style.
	He was a cop.
	But he wasn't like a mayor or somebody who tries to get people to do certain things.
	And I always remember him going on and on about that, because some people don't want to be leaders, and some people, there are anarchists out there that don't want to be led, and they don't want to be a leader.
	But what is the thinking behind leaderless democracy?
	This thinking is flawed.
	It's a utopian thought process that doesn't exist.
	There are people.
	You've met these people.
	A lot of them are in Hollywood.
	And they don't see any reason for the system being the way it is.
	Because after all, they've done fine for themselves.
	It's got nothing to do with anybody but them.
	Yeah, of course.
	And they don't like the idea of somebody bossing them around.
	What about a director in a movie?
	What I did, he did have one final comment regarding the current protest against Trump, which Trump protesters should listen to.
	For example, Occupy started in September and ended around, you know, was evicted in November.
	American elections happened in November.
	Had there been an election during the height of Occupy Wall Street, we could have totally shifted the course of that election.
	And so I think that...
	What I would say to people who are going into the Trump rallies and kind of disrupting is we need to think bigger than that.
	I think that disrupting the Trump rallies is like that small game in terms of activism.
	I mean, any activist can do that with 20 friends.
	What's bigger than that, though, is to figure out how would you build a social movement that could beat Donald Trump in an election?
	Rather than trying to disrupt him, let's eclipse him.
	Let's use that kind of fire that he's tapping into that we basically created.
	I mean, we created that intensity, you know.
	Yeah, change your avatar is what I would recommend.
	Change your Facebook profile pic.
	That'll help.
	That'll really do it for you.
	Really do it for you.
	But I like that.
	I thought it was interesting to trace that back to Occupy, and that was exactly what the movement was, and it failed mainly because of the leaderlessness and no strategy.
	No strategy.
	They had lots of tactics, but no strategy.
	This is like these meetings that go on in Silicon Valley where there's If they're left to their own devices, it's a noodle boy.
	Yeah, a noodle boy.
	That's all we're talking about here.
	Noodle boy.
	Noodle boy.
	Here, I have a Trump clip.
	Play this one.
	This is Trump screaming.
	No!
	Lights off!
	Off!
	Turn them off!
	They're too bright!
	Turn them off!
	Turn them off!
	Let's go!
	Ready?
	Turn off the lights!
	Turn them off!
	I do have one video that...
	We're always looking for the plants in the audience.
	We've had the Marco screaming plant.
	We've had the Ted Cruz screamers.
	We've had...
	Trump has done fantastic with the plants.
	He had the Mexican lady come in.
	Mexico!
	Mexicans love Donald Trump!
	Had another Mexican lady come up and feel his hair to make sure that it was not a wig.
	Yeah.
	This is all bullcrap.
	Yeah.
	So, this piece that I have here, and I think I shed an actual tear when I heard it.
	Was one of the best plants I have ever seen in my life.
	It's not uncommon.
	I'll give an example.
	Let's say you have a charity for...
	Well, an easy one.
	We've all seen this growing up.
	For people of low social economic standing.
	I'm trying to say poor people correctly, but I forget how to do it.
	Poor kids in Africa.
	So, on the cover of whatever report for a non-profit, you'd see the most horrific child, you know, perfect child with, you know, really, you know, you see his ribs, there's a fly on his lip.
	You know what I'm talking about.
	It's the money shot, we call that.
	And I'm not being an a-hole, this is how you talk, and that's how non-profits talk, too.
	We want the money shot.
	So, he had the equivalent of the money shot brought in in the audience.
	They completely...
	Is this Trump?
	It's Trump, yeah.
	Completely messed it up, because...
	Although the audio is good, there is no good video of this taking place.
	Now you could piece it together from cell phone, video, whatever.
	So if this was a plan, which I suspect because it hits three, it hits healthcare, it hits Trump on women, and I'm going to keep the last one secret.
	And it's beautiful.
	But you've not seen it anywhere.
	It has not been a report on mainstream.
	This was a rather smaller Trump meeting.
	It looked like a rotary club.
	It was kind of on a podium.
	There must have been a couple hundred people in the room.
	And he gets the following question or comment from the audience.
	Mr.
	Trump, Melissa wants to thank you.
	She's got something to say.
	Okay.
	Hi.
	Hi, Mr.
	Trump.
	I was in Wisconsin, USA in 2005.
	Okay.
	And, um...
	I can see why.
	Thank you.
	You have been...
	I just want to say thank you.
	You saved me in so many ways.
	In recent years, I've been struggling with an incurable illness and I'm on home care now.
	It was caused by a doctor's medical negligence.
	And in those dark days fighting, right now all the tubes have been removed and I have a do not resuscitate order.
	Okay, we're setting it up.
	This is a former Miss Wisconsin.
	Of course, one of Trump's shows, I presume.
	She's terminally ill.
	They've taken all the tubes out.
	She has a do not resuscitate.
	It was a dying woman.
	And I have a seven-year-old son.
	In those days, in the hospital, I received from you a handwritten letter that said, to the bravest woman I know, and...
	I remember that.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	You, um...
	Such a wonderful, beautiful woman.
	I mean, just an amazing woman.
	And are you coming along okay?
	Um, no, sir.
	But that's okay, because I'm here right now to thank you in person, and that was my biggest dream.
	And I wanted to thank you, because through you and your organizations, my son, who is Mexican-American, seven years old...
	Bam!
	Bam!
	The trifecta!
	Boom!
	Mexican-American dying woman.
	Through your organizations and just being able to stand on that stage with you back in 2005, the outpouring of love that came from that ultimately provided my son, when he graduates high school, with a full ride to college.
	That's great.
	Education.
	And you know what we'll do?
	We're gonna watch him.
	You're gonna watch him, Tanya.
	Tanya, watch him.
	We're gonna be watching your boy, okay?
	But you're gonna hopefully be around.
	You're not gonna have to have anybody watching.
	You're gonna hopefully be around.
	Those doctors are gonna be so wrong.
	I love Trump for this.
	Fuck those doctors.
	They're so wrong.
	But we'll be helping you.
	So we thank you.
	God bless you.
	And just, you know, he's a Mexican-American.
	And you, because of your efforts, have sent him to college.
	And I've been writing letters to him for when I'm in heaven to tell him that what you've done for him, he has a great responsibility to pay it forward just as you have done for us.
	And I can't thank you.
	That's so nice.
	She's going to make her Mexican-American son pay forward just like Donald Trump.
	Thank you.
	That's beautiful.
	That's beautiful.
	Wait, I'm sorry.
	I have to go down and say hello.
	Is that okay?
	The money shot.
	And they screw it up.
	They do not have the money shot.
	This video, you know, CNN posted on their website.
	Listen to this.
	Any hugs or any kisses?
	Wow, what a great woman that is.
	That's a great woman, great mother.
	I remember that, and it's heartbreaking, but something beautiful is going to happen.
	You watch.
	Something beautiful is going to happen.
	Folks, I just want to say, I'd almost like to leave it on that, because we can't top that.
	That is so amazing.
	Because it was a plant, obviously.
	You wouldn't say that.
	Can't top it.
	Well, it was covered in the Daily Mail and the Free Republic.
	It didn't get a lot of coverage.
	Not at all.
	She was Miss Congeniality, so she had a lot of personality and could do something like this easily.
	Mm-hmm.
	Whether she's actually sick or not is another issue.
	She probably is.
	I'm thinking she is.
	Because it's too easy to figure out that she's not, and it would be bad.
	So something's wrong with her.
	Yeah, she has to do not resuscitate.
	You're dead if it do not resuscitate.
	That's it.
	Yeah, so she's got something wrong.
	I wish they would have said what it was, but...
	Well, it's really irrelevant.
	Yeah, it's really irrelevant.
	It's irrelevant because she's obviously on board for this, and...
	The irrelevant part, what's interesting is that this is not shown.
	No.
	And it's...
	The media's gotten too much black for giving him all that publicity, and now they're trying to make up for it.
	Yeah.
	And also, I think once it dawned on everybody, this guy could easily become the nominee.
	I think they were just on a goof run.
	Goof run?
	Yeah, a goof run.
	Yeah, it was great.
	Let's goof on this.
	It's funny.
	Come on, let's go cover the Trump thing, the rally.
	We'll have a good time.
	Good time had by all.
	But now it's like, uh-oh.
	Anyway, I thought that was pretty interesting as just a piece.
	It was a nice piece.
	It was a nice piece.
	Got some people to thank, but I wanted to read you something.
	Something odd happened in the world of podcasting, John.
	World of podcasting.
	And there's a lot of anger and hate and disappointment going on.
	And quite honestly, we've lost one.
	We've lost a great one, and I'm very, very sad about it.
	Man overboard.
	Well, it's not just a man.
	It's like a whole ship is overboard.
	Ship?
	Yeah, a whole ship.
	The number one podcast on iTunes...
	Are you familiar with the list, the top list of iTunes podcasts?
	I know how that thing operates.
	It's not very accurate.
	It's just momentary popularity.
	It doesn't really mean anything.
	Do you know what the number one is?
	No, I don't.
	It is the Adam Carolla Show.
	Adam Carolla Show.
	And the Adam Carolla Show is now connected to Podcast One.
	That is Norm Pattis' Westwood One outfit.
	And there's a couple ways you can use that.
	But they are doing some subscription-based.
	They're trying to rival SiriusXM, I think, by saying, pay $7.99 a month, and you get all these great podcasts.
	But there are ads in the podcast.
	And Adam Carolla Show is now also on Podcast One.
	But he made an announcement.
	He said that they're going to start twice a week.
	I guess they do five shows a week.
	Twice a week they will do a clean show because, according to Adam Carolla himself, the problem is our content.
	I'm here swearing a blue streak.
	And companies like Cadillac do not want to advertise.
	Brand safe.
	He didn't say it, but the term is brand safe.
	And so he is starting with two shows a week, which will be clean.
	Not bleeped, but clean.
	Not using language.
	And the audience is outraged.
	If you look at the subreddit for Adam Carolla.
	They want him to cuss up a storm?
	No, no, no, John.
	They understand that this is just the beginning.
	First of all, you're self-filtering.
	You're censoring yourself.
	Now, he's used to doing that because he comes from mainstream.
	Yeah, which makes me wonder why he makes such a fuss, to be honest about it.
	Well, we know what happens next.
	Please don't talk about immigration.
	Because Cadillac doesn't like it.
	All the advertisers are this one.
	This is why I left my own company, for this very reason.
	If we look at the kind of stuff that we cover on this show, with or without the cussing, I don't think the cussing really adds anything.
	It's just the cussing, just the shock.
	In fact, in his case, it's to wake the audience up.
	I listened to this.
	And he was like, it just went on and on.
	I couldn't get any clips from it.
	But it's...
	Eventually, and if you'd like, again, listen to the content that we provide and the stuff that we talk about.
	There is some cussing in the show, but it's beside the point because the topics themselves are so controversial, generally speaking, on our show, that we couldn't get away with any of it.
	Exactly.
	And with the audience...
	I mean, for example, saying that the staff of PC World are lesbians, I remember saying that earlier in the show, it's not...
	Boom, you're fired.
	Whether true or not, by the way.
	It's not the cussing.
	And I think that the audience is smart enough to know that that's...
	They're smart enough to know the...
	Did I say BC Magazine?
	I should have said BC World.
	BC Magazine is not.
	Okay.
	Yeah, but let's please correct that because they like you still.
	BC World.
	I one time was...
	I gave a story.
	All right.
	I'm at one of these galas who are giving out awards.
	And the place is...
	This is a joke nobody got.
	I don't even know why I'm going to tell this joke.
	I think I'm at the moment where I don't like PC World.
	I'm at this gala.
	And I said, there's all these helium balloons.
	And I made the comment before I'm giving an award.
	I said, I should grab one of these helium balloons.
	And inhale.
	And breathe into it and then start to talk.
	I said, no, no, I shouldn't do that because then you'll think you're at a PC World event.
	And I personally thought that was hilarious.
	I like it.
	Most people go, huh, what?
	But I'm only bringing this up.
	It's important to understand that the new model is the one we have been pioneering for eight years plus.
	It is, you know, people go, oh, we have to have some interaction, engagement.
	No.
	The audience is the production team.
	The producers produce this show, which includes financial support.
	That is the model of the future, not the advertising.
	I'm not against advertising, but you get what you pay for.
	You get what you receive.
	You will always be controlled.
	You have to go careful on topics.
	That will be the next conversation that...
	Adam Carolla will have with the Podcast One sales team, because they're behind it.
	They're the ones that are saying, dude, we're giving you this guarantee.
	I don't know for sure, but here's this guaranteed amount of money per month.
	But we need to recoup that, and we can't get the high-end advertisers because you're cussing.
	Which, of course, is...
	They can't sell it, is what they're saying.
	And it's not about the cussing.
	It's about any controversy, I'm sure.
	And now, people will know how to control Adam Carolla by going after his advertisers.
	I'm just sad because the guy's doing it, but I'm just sad that that's...
	Yeah, you go after the advertiser.
	And it doesn't take much.
	It's like the guy who played the clip from The Agenda, the kid.
	He says, anyone can just get 20 friends and go and disrupt somebody's event.
	That's right.
	That's what you do.
	Same thing with this.
	All you need is you and 20 friends and you start to hound one advertiser.
	Cadillac.
	And, in fact, Carolla had this kind of a...
	I don't believe the story, to be honest about it, but he said somebody was taping his comedy act from the stage with a recorder and then sending the tape of this to advertisers and saying to them...
	That's what he says.
	They said they were sending the tapes to advertisers or potential advertisers with a note.
	Do you really want to support this guy with advertising?
	This has social justice warrior written all over it.
	It is possible.
	It's possible if somebody could do that.
	You can't do that with listener-supported radio or any sort of broadcasting.
	Broadcasting has its own issues because the government has some control.
	Yeah.
	But it's just not possible.
	But it is possible, and I think you're right, that they will control the content of Adam Carolla's show the same way they do with everybody else's show.
	That's important.
	I'm going to show myself all by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda in the morning.
	And, in fact, we have people that we thank.
	We want to help us.
	Mm-hmm.
	And if I can find my keyboard, I keep losing in the depths of the, under the desk.
	Alright.
	So we'll start off by thanking these folks.
	Keith, and I think I used the word right.
	Y'all.
	Thank you, y'all.
	Thank y'all.
	Keith McCullough.
	I think Obama said y'all.
	He's always saying folks and y'all.
	Keith McColpin in Imperial, Pennsylvania, 18545.
	And he says he took a look at my donation history while setting a payment and damned if I wasn't within striking distance of knighthood.
	And that's what he's getting.
	Nice.
	So that's a plus.
	Ceremony on the way.
	Ceremony on the way.
	Michael Moore in North Hollywood, California.
	I don't think he's the Michael Moore, is he?
	I think he actually does live in Detroit.
	Flint.
	143.
	Sucking in soot.
	Monica Riordan.
	Oh, actually, I'm sorry.
	Michael Moore says, I didn't even notice it, I was inspired to donate after speaking with John about another podcast, this is the guy we were emailing with, who bills themselves as a pirate ship, but is bowing down to advertisers.
	Yeah, he's the one who tipped us off.
	Yes.
	Because to be honest about it, some of these podcasts, we don't listen to.
	I got C-SPAN to watch.
	We get those things.
	Yeah, there's C-SPAN. Work to do.
	Work to do.
	Monica Reardon in San Diego, $100.
	Lon Baker, $100 in parts unknown.
	James Skousen in Redlands, California, 6452.
	This drops off rather quickly.
	This is his annual birthday donation.
	And this is annual birthday donation and you're on the list.
	Sir Hugger of Kittens in Zandam.
	Hugger of Kittens.
	Hey, hello, I'm Sir Hugger of Kittens.
	How you doing?
	This is one dollar for every year John has blessed this world with his being.
	I think he's shy a dollar or two, but not much.
	He's good.
	He's good to go.
	He's good to go.
	Amanda...
	Amanda Rosette.
	And you have a note or a card, apparently?
	Eric just stopped using this gray.
	It's more like black.
	And she's in Rockville, Connecticut.
	6154.
	Is there a note or a card?
	Oh, there's Amanda.
	Amanda's the one who sends these cute cards.
	Amanda, I had to show the card.
	Sabina and Jay were over looking for something.
	Who's Sabina?
	Sabina's Jay's best friend.
	Oh, okay.
	Her BFF. And they were over here looking for something, and they spotted this car.
	She said this cute car.
	It's got a caveman on the front, and it says, birthday mean you no dead.
	Birthday good.
	And so she wrote this little thing.
	Long live no agenda.
	Happy birthday to my favorite buzzkill and a little heart.
	And Amanda, calligraphy is dynamite.
	Really pretty.
	It actually could be turned into a font and be very useful.
	Were the girls looking for stuff in your office or just in the house?
	It's in the back.
	Somebody left something here.
	Do you make them wear hazmat suits?
	They don't come in here.
	No.
	And this is what I did.
	So the girl spotted the card and I said, this is something.
	I've taught Jay this.
	Amanda has got this perfect writing, but her penmanship in longhand for her signature on the check, dreadful.
	And I've taught Jay, for example, because these kids don't learn longhand anymore.
	And here's the irony of that.
	How do you sign anything without looking like you're in the second grade?
	I just want to make that point to people out there.
	Learn, at least if you can't write longhand, try to give yourself a fancy signature or take calligraphy or do something.
	To have a nice signature that is attractive in some way and you can wrap it off real quick and it's hard to copy.
	I'm sorry.
	I would be remiss, not for discussion now, but remiss if I didn't mention that we had an email from someone about my observation of telling time analog versus digital, which I think has some really good points.
	We can talk about it later if you want.
	Okay.
	You want to do that now or you want me to finish up?
	I'll finish up.
	Okay, because I agree.
	It's interesting that the note was interesting.
	It also applies to this.
	It's the same thing.
	It's generational change.
	What's the point of having a signature line on it?
	You're never going to use checks in the future.
	You're going to sign your name on documents for the rest of your life.
	Some way or other.
	And maybe not.
	Maybe they'll get to electronic stuff.
	You never have to sign your name ever.
	But...
	If you do, get a signature.
	And I'm telling you, Amanda, you're the best.
	You're always sending us money, nice little cue cards.
	Sit down and work on something that's better than that scrawl you have, which is, you know, it works.
	The checks go through.
	Derek Vonderhaar in Maryville, Illinois, 6112.
	Howard Lahuro in Worcester, Massachusetts, 55-10.
	Stuart Combs, or Combs, but it could be Combs.
	Combs or Combs in Grandville, Ohio, 55.
	Luke Rayner in London, UK, 52-22.
	Eric Hochul in Deutschland, 52.
	Gavin Habersfield in Mitchum, Australia, 51.
	And the rest of these are $50 donors and they will be read in order name and location.
	Ben Durrell in Malta, New York.
	Jared Bland in Louisville, Kentucky.
	Kevin Johnson in Phoenix, Arizona.
	Griffin Vacheron in Alston, Massachusetts.
	And last, Sir Alan Bean over here in Oakland.
	That's all we got.
	And then we do have a couple 45-16 for your birthday, which I like to mention.
	Dennis Brown, Arthur Gobetz, Brian Swearingen, Florian Dvorski, Alan Bose, Thomas Key, and Alejandro Chapa.
	And they'll congratulate you with your birthday, John.
	Coming up, including a meetup.
	Thank you very much.
	Now I want to go back to what I just said because I don't want Amanda to get mad at me.
	I think that an alternate thing to having a fancy signature, you can actually print out a fancy signature in non-cursive.
	And I think that would work as a signature.
	I've never seen anyone do that.
	Yeah, I can hear you.
	What are you back there for?
	Oh, you dropped out.
	That was weird.
	Oh.
	On my end.
	Who knows?
	It's been one of those days.
	Anyway, so that's just a little possibility.
	Well, we thank everybody who has supported us.
	Very short list, but it's a list.
	It's better than having to suck advertising schlong.
	Because that's, instead of watching C-SPAN, we've been having meetings.
	Oh, Cadillac wants to have a meeting now because they're so happy that you cleaned everything up and this is great.
	They want to advertise on the Tuesday and Friday show.
	Could you do a little meeting with them so I can talk about a few things?
	We know how it goes.
	Not my first rodeo.
	Got the t-shirt.
	Seen the movie.
	A little bit of karma for everybody who needs it and deserves it.
	You've got karma.
	You're bitter.
	I'm bitter?
	I'm not bitter.
	You're bitter.
	I'm not bitter.
	Oh, be quiet.
	I got sick of it.
	Monica Reardon says happy birthday to her husband Mike celebrating today and And James Skousen says happy birthday to himself as annual birthday donation.
	Happy birthday from your friends here at The Best Podcast.
	See you on the universe!
	Bum, bum, bum, bum.
	Title changes.
	Sir Philip Fotenhauer becomes Baron of Bayern in Österreich.
	Baroness Tanya becomes Viscountess.
	Congratulations.
	Sir Phil Rodokanakis becomes Sir Forensicator.
	Forensicator.
	Very good.
	And we have two guys of forensics expert.
	Oh, and very nice.
	Two knightings to do, so I'll bring my blade if you've got yours.
	This time, sir.
	Yeah, right.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Got it.
	Perfect.
	All right.
	Gregory Davis and Kevin McColpin, step up to the podium, please, gentlemen.
	You have supported the best podcast in the universe in about $1,000 or more, so you now have a seat at the round table of the Knights and the Dames.
	And I'm very happy to pronounce the KV, Sir Gregory Davis and Sir K. Mac.
	For you gentlemen, we have hookers and blow, red boys and chardonnay.
	We have crickets and cream, DMT and astral travel, hookers and blow again, sake and sushi, progressive rock and Russian imperial stout, bad science of perky breasts, root beer and Legos, ass cream with bear fillings, hot librarians and Jager bombs, opium and warm orange juice, three geishas and a bucket of fried chicken.
	We got your drogles and ginger ale.
	We got your geishas and sake.
	And we, of course, have mutton and meat.
	Go to noagendanation.com slash rings and Eric the Shill will be hooking you up.
	One of our knights in Japan is moaning that he can't seem to get his ring.
	Yeah, we will fix it.
	Oh.
	I got a couple of little...
	I can do a clip blitz today, by the way.
	Not now, but I'll do it in a little while.
	Well, quickly, though, because we're...
	I don't need to do it now.
	No, no.
	I'm saying within soon, is what I'm saying.
	We're almost done, man.
	There's not enough time to handle everything.
	This is a clip I want to play because it's comment needed.
	All right.
	This is the problem with news.
	All right.
	Stop, everybody.
	All right.
	Hold on.
	Can't even keep a straight face.
	No, I can't either.
	All right.
	What is the problem with news?
	Okay.
	This is the Snowpack Report.
	Okay.
	The Sierra snowpack provides about 30 percent of California's water supply, and so snowmelt is important.
	And while many rivers are running fast at this time of year, water experts say our reservoirs will likely register only 90 percent of capacity.
	And for those who enjoy nature, the message is this.
	Californians will still need to conserve.
	I think we've had a great winter this year, but overall, I think the future is not looking too great, and we need to do a better job of conserving overall.
	We can't get too comfortable with the snowpack we have this year because the future is not guaranteed.
	No guarantees at all.
	Wait a minute.
	What did I just hear there?
	What exactly did someone just tell me?
	You hear this snowpack report and then they stuck a mic into some kid's face.
	He's wearing a Giants baseball cap.
	He's just standing there.
	He's about 19, maybe 20.
	And he gives this report as though he's some sort of expert from the geological survey or something.
	And goes on and on about, we can't be too cautious, we have to do this, we have to do that, and he's giving advice, and he's making assumptions, and he's just some guy.
	This is the man-on-the-street phenomenon, which has been exploited by Jimmy Kimmel, by the way.
	These just blowhards on the street, this guy doesn't know anything.
	Why is he talking, and why are they giving him high priority?
	I just found it like, what is this guy?
	How is this guy some expert that we should be listening to?
	Why should we be listening to him at all?
	A dynamite question.
	Well, that's the problem with news, I agree.
	You nailed that.
	Adam Curtis, the documentarian from the UK, if you go to his website, you'll find he did a short piece, he did a short movie, like a 10 minute one, on this plague specifically.
	About how everyone's become the expert, man on the street's become the expert, which has been, I think, thoroughly debunked by the Kimmel Show.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I want to talk about Turkey for a moment.
	Okay.
	Well, let's just remind everybody, because it was in the New York Times, very happy, bittersweet.
	Mark Hall, who we talked about earlier, producer, he has this movie, Killing Ed, killingedfilm.com.
	And it's about the Gulen finance charter schools all over the world, but certainly in the United States, and a lot of them in Texas.
	And Mark is from Texas.
	And he showed this film in, I think, UCLA.
	He showed it in New York, and the New York Times reports that he's getting no love in Texas.
	They are pretty much banning this film, censoring.
	He can't get it played.
	He can't get anyone to show his movie in Texas, which is odd.
	Certainly, Texas is all about changing education, not having it federally run.
	But I guess who knows what's going on with these schools, these charter schools, where you have a lot of...
	Here's what happens.
	Turkish educators, I'm doing air quotes for y'all folks, Get an H-1B visa.
	Is that what it is?
	H-1B visa.
	And they have no qualifications to teach.
	And they wind up not taking all their salary.
	That goes somewhere else.
	You'll have to see Mark's film, really, and eventually you'll be able to see it.
	So who knows where that's going?
	This could be going into politics.
	I don't know.
	But for that to be censored, quote-unquote, not really...
	No one wants to show it in Texas is odd and disturbing.
	And what makes it ultra-odd Is that Texas is one of these adamant Christian states.
	They got special textbooks, and they're all in on every one of these preachers and the kind of stuff that goes on.
	How does that jive with this at all?
	I don't know.
	It makes no sense.
	Other than the billions of dollars that is flowing through the charter school system and politics.
	And, of course...
	Austin is a complete Obama-bot headquarters of Texas.
	It's very hard to get anything done.
	It's not the rest of them.
	No, no, no.
	But even Dallas and Houston are getting a little body.
	Now, on the heels of this, something happened which was much larger than I initially understood it to be, and we have recalled people from Turkey.
	We, we, we.
	That's not just we.
	That's the State Department.
	That's the Pentagon.
	Pull them out of Turkey.
	Turkey, a NATO member.
	The United States and Turkey are united in our common fight against ISIL, and instantly continues to play a key role in the coalition's counter-ISIL operations.
	This is the Pentagon spokeshole about this.
	This decision was made at the request of General Breedlove as well.
	Breedlove is the NATO guy.
	Peter, on the Turkey departure, how many dependents will they require to leave?
	And if you could fill out the picture a little bit more fully, how many U.S. military members are there at those places in Turkey?
	And what changed about the security environment that required this departure all of a sudden?
	First of all, in terms of the numbers, my understanding is the figure is 670.
	That's a lot of people, John, to just vacate?
	It doesn't make a lot of sense.
	670 people.
	Unless they...
	Something's going on.
	They're not telling us.
	Well, I have some idea.
	Dependents will be affected by this.
	And I believe the total picture there is slightly more than that.
	770.
	So, approximately...
	These are dependents that will be affected by this.
	So, let me just double check that number right now.
	Because I got this from UCOM earlier.
	I want to make sure I've got this.
	Absolutely right.
	670 people, dependents that will be affected by this.
	There's 770 total in Turkey overall.
	Military members.
	These are total DOD. So these are just the family members?
	So what he refuses to give or doesn't have?
	...is the number of military personnel that will not be evacuated.
	...dependents in Turkey right now.
	How many military members?
	Let me get that number for you specifically, as opposed to families versus service members themselves.
	Again, this was a decision made out of an abundance of caution.
	Given the overall picture, the security threats that we looked at in the region, there's no specific threat that triggered this, but a broader decision based on what we see in the region.
	You all have seen some of the things playing out.
	In the region that this decision was being made at this time, again, the U.S. government overall making this decision.
	I'll note that our State Department colleagues have made the same decision.
	And it is just out of abundance of caution, the safety and security of our personnel and certainly their family members is foremost to us.
	And we feel that this is the right decision to make at this particular moment in time.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	This is no small item.
	What I've heard from our producers out in the field and in the region is there is a suspicion slash fear or anticipation Turkey is going to team up with the Saudis and they're going to go in and kick some ass in Syria.
	And this would also be the reason why Russia got out.
	Because they will come back if it happens.
	But there's a lot of crap going down right now.
	This is big.
	This is very, very big.
	And I'm surprised it's so underplayed even by smart journalists.
	There's a couple.
	Wow.
	Uh-huh.
	Well, it's stunning to me that this is not really covered.
	I did see a couple reports about this leaving Turkey with no analysis.
	Yeah, why bother?
	Why bother?
	They got other things to do.
	Cocktail parties for one.
	Carpet bomb Trump.
	Carbon problem Trump.
	Call him a five-year-old.
	Now, I don't know if it's related, but there was a little kerfuffle as the Defense Department with, what's the new accountant's name?
	The Ashkin Carter.
	All of a sudden they do a little press thing and they say, oh, by the way, we're ramping up for Iraq.
	But there was no real request.
	Are you guys doing your own thing?
	Are you doing your own thing now?
	What is happening?
	Well, here's a report.
	In secret locations across northern Iraq, the Army's elite Delta Force is now conducting its first operations, CNN has learned.
	Today at the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Ash Carter outlining what Delta and the Expeditionary Targeting Force, ETF, has been ordered to do.
	I love how they've come up with a new term.
	So Delta Force, of course.
	Delta Force.
	But if you say ETF, which stands for...
	Delta Force.
	No, no.
	It's an abbreviation.
	They're not using Delta Force.
	They're not using that name.
	They have to soften it up.
	Expeditionary Targeting Force.
	Expeditionary Targeting Force.
	Oh, ETF. Yeah.
	Now, I think expeditionary targeting force is code for investors to short the stock market, but that's just me, maybe.
	I don't know.
	Could be.
	I mean, because ETF does refer to an investment vehicle.
	Yes, that is on the downside, making money on the downside, correct?
	Well, no.
	No, any way you want.
	Up, down, in between, doesn't make any difference.
	You can do ETFs for everything.
	There's triples, doubles, there's all kinds of gambling ones.
	The triples are the, you know, triple short, for example.
	But expeditionary targeting force?
	Wow.
	I would assume that in that report is code for the stock or specific ETF to buy, and you buy it, and it may represent a short or it may represent a long.
	It could go either way.
	As a theory, it's a stretch?
	I don't think so.
	You never know.
	After watching the Rubicon show.
	Why don't they just say Delta Force?
	We love Delta Force.
	No, I think you're right.
	I think there's something to this.
	I think you may have stumbled on it.
	And she even says ETF for short.
	You don't have to do that.
	All right, let's listen to the report.
	What Delta and the Expeditionary Targeting Force, ETF, has been ordered to do.
	Seizing places and people, freeing hostages and prisoners of ISIL, and making it such that ISIL has to fear that anywhere, anytime, it may be struck.
	And the only thing I'll say is the ETF is in position.
	John, more code.
	The ETF is in position.
	The timing and location of all operations remains classified.
	There are about 200 troops in northern Iraq.
	They've been setting up safe houses, establishing and paying off informant networks, and gathering intelligence.
	The plan?
	Attack compounds, not just to capture or kill ISIS, but to grab laptops, cell phones, anything that can provide more intelligence and lead to more raids.
	Special operations forces, I have vast experience in Iraq and Afghanistan using these kinds of tactics and techniques.
	New techniques as well.
	With surprising openness, the Secretary of Defense detailed going after ISIS in cyberspace.
	Attention, attention, dudes named Ben, dudes named Ben, attention.
	Here's what they're going to do.
	How are we going to get ISIL in cyberspace?
	Interrupt.
	Disrupt.
	ISIL's command and control to cause them to lose confidence in their networks, to overload their networks so that they can't function.
	Oh, you mean DDoSing them?
	Wow.
	That's worth a trillion dollars a year.
	We're going to DDoS ISIS. Just use Cloudflare.
	Just DDoS ISIS. That's it.
	Now, how did this woman get a job?
	Which one?
	The one that sounds like Sylvester the cat.
	Oh, that's Barbara Starr.
	She sits at the Pentagon with her big pearls and her old lady dress.
	I'm sorry.
	Advanced age lady dress.
	Yeah, she's horrible.
	I couldn't pick anything out of that stream of yakking.
	No.
	But there's one...
	I'll just stop that.
	We understand what's going on.
	Trump, though, was also messaging.
	I think he was messaging very clearly.
	I think he did a good job messaging, but no one picked it up.
	You're no agenda show.
	One of the things that we've discussed, being very precarious for him, is to say, we're going to finally fix the army, the military, all this bullcrap, all these contracts that are waste, fraud, and abuse.
	Of course, the military-industrial complex would not take kindly to this kind of noise.
	Hey, Trump, shut up.
	This is the gravy train, man.
	What are you doing?
	This is not okay.
	This is why they want Hillary, obviously.
	Trump communicated to them.
	We're spending a tremendous billions and billions of dollars on NATO. So you would like to see an organization revamped...
	Now, if you do that, you're going to obviously have to add different nations in because you have nations that aren't in NATO that are very much into the world of terror, both in terms of causing it and receiving it.
	NATO is obsolete.
	Now, that doesn't mean it can't be rejiggered and it can't be fixed and made good or What he's saying is, I'll go out and get you the money from all these other...
	Freeloaders.
	Freeloaders.
	Why are we spending this money for these other countries when they can be spending it and we can be making even more money?
	Yeah, because the big corporations, mainly big oil, have been benefiting from that for decennia.
	And Trump is saying, well, no, that's not going to happen.
	But he doesn't want to screw those guys.
	And I'm sure this has consultant written all over it.
	Hey, man, if you say this about NATO, don't say, well, just rejigger it.
	Smart.
	Hey, Obama was trying that.
	Hey, everybody, you're supposed to spend 2% of your GDP. And everyone's going, yeah, sure, sure, sure.
	Behind his back.
	No, not going to do that.
	No.
	Well, I got at least one report on what's going on with the big French catch.
	Can we call this a part of Clip Blitz, or are we not ready for that yet?
	No, this is not Clip Blitz.
	All right.
	This is because there's a little hiccup in here.
	You've got to play this thing.
	All right.
	This is the attack thwarted in Paris, part one.
	Hold on a second.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	We are learning tonight of a possible major terror plot now thwarted.
	Prosecutors in Paris say they have stopped an imminent attack after a chilling discovery.
	An arsenal of explosives they say unprecedented in scale.
	The discovery comes amid the urgent manhunt for the man in the hat still missing after the terror attacks in Brussels.
	ABC's Alex Marquardt in Paris on the scope, the size of this new discovery and how close they were to pulling it off.
	Tonight, the chilling disclosure by French authorities.
	The imminent plot stopped before it could be carried out by Reda Criquet, a 32-year-old Frenchman, tonight charged with preparing the attack.
	In the apartment, which he rented under a fake name, security forces found an arsenal that the prosecutor called unprecedented.
	Well, I stopped it right there.
	Because the question is, what is unprecedented?
	Yeah, what would you expect to hear as an unprecedented arsenal?
	Tanks and...
	Unprecedented.
	Anti-aircraft weapons, perhaps?
	It would have to be at least one hellfire.
	That would be unprecedented.
	Man, this would have to be so big.
	Yeah, either it's small amounts of items that are big, like a tank, personnel carriers...
	I don't know.
	Is it in clip two by any chance?
	Yeah.
	Five AK-47 rifles, seven handguns, TATP, the explosive used in the Paris and Brussels attacks, detonators, acid, and ball bearings.
	Unprecedented, the ball bearings.
	Five Kalashnikovs and seven handguns.
	It's unprecedented.
	Unprecedented, I tell you.
	I just was floored by this.
	Because they emphasize it in the first part of the story two or three times.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I do.
	Alright, I'm the timekeeper.
	Red 33!
	Clip blitz!
	Clip blitz!
	It's time for the Clip Blitz.
	It is John C. Dvorak's favorite moment at the end of the show.
	Okay, let's start with Brazil NBC. Farm oil in Brazil comes just months before the Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro.
	The television network NBC said Tuesday it's already surpassed $1 billion in advertising sales for the Rio Olympics, putting it on track to set a record for the most national advertising ever sold for a single event.
	Nice!
	No criticism of that event.
	Red, 33, 10!
	Earthquakes.
	Earthquakes.
	About 7 million people in the United States live in areas at risk of an earthquake induced by human activity.
	That's according to a new report by the U.S. Geological Survey, which said states, including Oklahoma and Kansas, are now at as high of a risk as earthquake-prone California of a devastating earthquake.
	The central United States has seen a spike in seismic activity due to the injection of wastewater from oil and gas drilling deep underground.
	Oh!
	Run!
	Run!
	Foxconn buys Sharp.
	What?
	Foxconn buys Sharp.
	Foxconn buys Sharp.
	His company, Foxconn, has agreed to buy Japan's struggling electronics brand, Sharp, for three and a half billion dollars.
	It's the first foreign takeover of a major Japanese electronics producer.
	Foxconn also assembles Apple's iPhones.
	No comment?
	Yeah, you got to keep throwing that thing at me.
	Red 33.
	Flip blitz.
	Your money is your money for the 86 million overruns.
	To your money tonight, wasted money, the Justice Department's internal watchdog revealing a stunning new example of government waste.
	In 2008, the Drug Enforcement Administration and Department of Defense set out to modify an aircraft to use in Afghanistan.
	The budget board at the time, $22 million.
	So far, the tally is now $86 million, four times as much.
	And that plane tonight still can't fly.
	I'm sitting on Jackson Hangar in Delaware and will never go to Afghanistan because the program has been discontinued.
	Yay, yay, yay!
	Don't worry.
	We'll get NATO to fill it up.
	Red 33!
	Police call turkeys!
	Those are the police, Sergeant McLaughlin.
	Hey, Sarge, this is the Postmaster in Hillsdale.
	Hey, it's gone.
	Okay.
	You're not going to believe this, but I've got a carrier that's being attacked by wild turkeys.
	Won't let them deliver the mail.
	Where?
	On Esplanade, Esplanade Drive.
	Esplanade?
	Yeah, I guess that's it.
	Esplanade Lake Drive.
	28, okay, being attacked by turkeys.
	This has been going on.
	It's crazy.
	I mean, they're actually attacking, biting, they chase the trucks, everything.
	Wow.
	Take a look at it.
	Thank you.
	What is that?
	Do you have more?
	Yeah, one more.
	Enough is enough.
	No kidding.
	Enough is enough!
	Alrighty then.
	Very good.
	Okay, it left a lot on the table, but we will bring that to you Sunday.
	There's some great analysis of the Clinton emails and the FBI, what's happening there.
	But I kind of want to be focusing on what's happening with the...
	We have the Ascension referendum, Ukraine Ascension referendum in the Netherlands coming up.
	The Dutch, a lot of propaganda going on.
	The Dutch seemingly do not want to...
	Like it?
	They don't like it, exactly.
	So I got some on that.
	There's lots of stuff.
	Because you enable us to sit at home and watch.
	Research and research.
	Research for you.
	Research and research.
	Exactly.
	So we appreciate your courage.
	And we will return on Sunday.
	And will you be in New York on Sunday?
	I'll be on New York.
	Oh, we're going to be an hour earlier.
	We're going to go an hour earlier.
	We'll be an hour earlier next show.
	That's true.
	We should mention that.
	Yeah.
	And it should work out fine.
	Okay.
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	I am Adam Kerr.
	And from northern Silicon Valley.
	I'm John C. DeVore.
	We'll talk to you again on Sunday, right here on No Agenda.
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	Caliphate!
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	Hey!
	The fact that they both have unpronounceable Italian names appears to be the theme.
	That and meet.
	The local level, right?
	Communications, right?
	Department, right?
	Dear guy in the mosque, right?
	It's right.
	There's a defense, right?
	Intelligence, right?
	The leadership level, right?
	The local level, right?
	Communications, right?
	Right.
	There's a boss, right?
	And the government's so young.
	It's right.
	There's a defense, right?
	The speaker needs to break the intelligence, right?
	The leadership level, right?
	The local level, right?
	Communication, right?
	Right.
	There's a guys, right?
	The boss, right?
	And the right?
	Right.
	So young.
	Welcome to the show, we're on TV TV, we're on TV TV, and I'm excited to have one last and I'm excited to have one last guest on TV TV, Smith artist, fantastic!
	Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary.
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