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	I have a little thing, a little package.
	Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
	It's Sunday, February 28th, 2016.
	Time once again for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 803.
	This is no agenda.
	Boots on the Crown meets Subs in the Water in Arkansas and broadcasting live from the Airstream of Consciousness in Windy Fayetteville in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I'm waiting for the Zephyr, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	You should have seen me.
	I was like a Nixon secretary there for a minute.
	What were you doing?
	My arms crossed.
	I got my left toe trying to hit the jingle.
	Oh, that's right.
	You're short gear.
	You've made a mistake.
	You made an error.
	I made the number one Boy Scout mistake.
	Yeah, you did.
	Yeah, I was not prepared.
	I have two of these Korg nanocontrollers in case one goes bad, which you never think.
	Never in a million years would it go bad, but I have one just in case.
	And as I was leaving the house on Thursday, I thought, you know, this thing never breaks.
	It's just extra weight.
	I won't take it.
	Yeah, I don't need to take this extra weight in my luggage because it's such a pain in the ass to get on the airplane with all this extra gear.
	Airplane?
	Oh, that's right.
	You were driving a trailer.
	You could have thrown in all kinds of stuff.
	I could have taken my whole apartment in the trailer.
	Yeah, there we go.
	So I am right now in the middle of a desolate kind of grass patch.
	Sounds good.
	Yeah, it's very windy today.
	Unbelievably windy.
	The airstream is a-rockin' today.
	Don't come a-knockin'.
	Yeah, and we're in Fayetteville, Arkansas, Arkansas.
	Yeah, I've never been to, how is it?
	It is beautiful here.
	To Arkansas.
	People don't realize what a beautiful state Arkansas is.
	From tip to, up to the Ozarks, all the way through, up to Missouri, and it's left and right.
	It's unbelievable.
	It's stunning, really.
	And of course, it's not as green as it could, well, in fact, we're having better weather here than normal for this time of year.
	But I bet when it's green, it's really beautiful.
	And so we're about five minutes from the University of Arkansas.
	Tina and the Keeper and I, right after the show Thursday, had a horrible drive.
	It was the worst.
	Why?
	Well, it was about eight hours from Austin to Fayetteville.
	And since I'd done the show, you know, the whole marathon bit of kind of Wednesday, Wednesday night, until 1.30 in the morning, you get up at 7, you continue, you do the show, we're done around 3.30.
	And I had to hurry up, get everything ready, jump in the car, drive down to Buda to pick up the Airstream.
	Um, before they closed.
	So we're finally on the road around 6pm, and we decided we'd stay overnight in the Sanger Denton KOA, which is the Campground of America.
	Sanger Denton.
	Ah, yes.
	Sanger Denton.
	Sanger.
	I think it's Sanger.
	Sanger Denton.
	Well, somewhere near Denton, I assume.
	Um...
	So it's I-35 all the way up to the west of Dallas, and about 10 miles south of Waco, which is really only an hour outside of Austin, I-35 comes to a grinding halt for two and a half hours.
	We are barely moving, can't get off, there's no side roads, there's nothing.
	What is this reason for this stoppage?
	Well, of course I hopped on the ham radio thinking I would get all kinds of information.
	You got nothing.
	Yeah, no.
	I got absolutely nothing.
	Tina had more luck on Waze.
	And she's on Waze.
	And all of a sudden, she's getting all these private messages.
	Hey, baby.
	Hey, how many cars are you behind me?
	Where are you?
	You know, this Waze product, this Google Waze.
	Yeah, I didn't realize it's turning into like a bunch of things.
	It's a Tinder app for people on the road.
	I guess she connected it with a Google profile.
	I don't know exactly how she logged in.
	But she says, hey, I'm getting all these private messages.
	Uh-huh.
	No one knew what it was.
	It wasn't an accident.
	By the time we were moving, we saw that it was construction.
	They had just shut down I-35.
	What was it at that point?
	Just to do a little road work at the inconvenience of the public.
	7.30 in the evening.
	And if they had warned me, I could have taken a different route.
	There was no announcement.
	No one knew about it.
	It was very annoying.
	So by the time we're in bed, it's 3 a.m.
	and we're only halfway.
	But that's okay.
	That's what it is.
	And then we finished the drive for Friday up here and it's been fantastic.
	Meet up Friday night at Foghorns.
	We have some fantastic people producing this show.
	Let me just turn the heater off for a second.
	It's making a lot of noise.
	Entertain everybody.
	I can't hear the heater.
	I don't know quite what you're talking about.
	But okay, while you're doing that, I'm going to read from this card, which has still been laying around here.
	This is the one sent in by Amanda when she sent us a contribution for one of the recent shows.
	Okay, I'm done.
	Now, you can't hear it, but I can.
	You know, people listen to this show with earbuds.
	Why?
	Why?
	Oh, yeah, I guess with earbuds you might feel it.
	Why?
	What?
	What?
	You're buds.
	So we had about 20 people at the meetup, which was fantastic.
	Sounds good.
	A diverse group once again, and not one, but two subs in the water guys.
	Two?
	Two submariners, and I checked.
	What are submariners doing in Arkansas?
	Well, retired.
	Oh.
	Retired submariners.
	We had Jim, we had Ben, and it gets even crazier.
	They had both, at one point, served on the same boat within, like, a week of each other.
	On the Trident.
	Did they know that?
	And at the time?
	Yeah, not at the time, but they knew it at the meetup.
	And I think Jim knows Atomic Rod Adams.
	It's a small but very, very loyal group of these submariners.
	Mariners, I'm sorry.
	Submariners, not submariners.
	Submariners.
	And they have boats, not ships.
	I've learned so much.
	Yeah, they're not ships.
	Yeah, they're boats.
	They're boats.
	And you tell a Navy man a ship's a boat or a boat's a ship and he'll deck you.
	Well, I learned a lot about the submariners.
	Let me see.
	If you're underway, it's not gay.
	That was the first thing I learned.
	If you're underway, it's not gay.
	These are the guys from the Trident.
	So they're underwater for, you know, two months at a time or something.
	Yeah.
	I don't know how you can do that.
	I think it takes a...
	I hope that they do psychological analysis of these people because that is not trivial.
	What?
	Working on one of those boats.
	Oh, no kidding.
	It's cramped and you're...
	I'm not claustrophobic, but I can see where you get on your nerves.
	You get to know everybody very, very well.
	Very well.
	Then the second thing I was told is, because sometimes there's, I guess, British or Dutch sailors on the boat, and they speak of the Dutch tips.
	What's the Dutch tip?
	It's a circumcision joke.
	Maybe people don't know this, but I think pretty much all Americans...
	Maybe not anymore.
	Are circumcised all American men?
	No, that's not true.
	A lot.
	That's not true?
	Yeah, you...
	Well, yeah, if you're living in the 40s nowadays.
	Now, there's a big movement that started in, I don't know, 10, 15, 20 years ago, more than 20 years ago, to end the practice.
	I remember moving to the Netherlands in 72, and everyone was looking at me.
	Holland was very, very liberal, you know, in sport clubs, men and women showering together.
	None of that is there anymore, of course.
	The puritanical U.S. media has made us all crazy about that.
	But I remember as a kid in school, you know, gym class or whatever, people were like, what's wrong with you?
	I'm like, what?
	I'm like, what?
	Because...
	I do a whole show about it.
	When I was a kid, we used gym classes as everyone walking around naked, too.
	Yeah.
	I don't know what they do anymore.
	They don't even have gyms.
	Who cares if you're circumcised?
	I have an idea.
	I have a solution.
	Just stop gym.
	What's your solution?
	Stop Jim.
	And you don't have to worry about the showers.
	Man, oh man, oh man.
	I used to bowl with this guy.
	Actually, I don't know if I should use his name.
	The likelihood of him hearing this show.
	He used to.
	I wasn't in his classes, but this is the thing that happens with kids.
	He was also, I think, two years older than me.
	But...
	He used to be...
	Everybody just remembered him as No-Show Gilbert.
	That's his name.
	No-Show Gilbert?
	No-Show Gilbert would take a shower with his jockey shorts on.
	Oh, gosh.
	That's sad.
	That's sad.
	Kids can be so traumatized by the smallest things.
	They got a nickname for him.
	Yeah, they called me Turtleneck Curry.
	It was horrible.
	They called you Turtleneck Curry?
	Yeah.
	Why is this?
	You had a long neck?
	Remember, we're talking about circumcision.
	Oh, I get it.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, onward to it.
	So let's get back to Fayetteville.
	This is one of our reports from Boots on the Ground.
	You do so well.
	Yes.
	So it could not be any more coincidental, or maybe it's just the universe coming together for us, that Donald Trump decided to do a stop in Fayetteville, or actually Bentonville.
	Benton?
	Bentonville?
	Well, the airport.
	right near Fayetteville, on Saturday.
	Could it get any better than that for the show?
	No, it looks like you're a groupie.
	Yeah.
	In fact, I did get some hate on Facebook for this.
	We're saying, hey, I'm here at the Trump rally.
	People are like, ugh, so disappointing.
	So disappointing, Mr. Trump.
	I'm going to see Hillary.
	Now, of course, I'm not there to listen to Donald Trump say the same thing, because that's pretty much what they, I was like, whatever.
	And by the way, I want to thank our dude named Ben here, one of the subs in the water, who took me, picked me up at the Airstream, took me over there, had everything arranged.
	This was...
	My focus, of course, was on who was there, what were they like, And what was the production?
	The production was really of importance to me.
	How does this Trump machine work?
	So they had hired...
	Actually, so here in Fayetteville, it was a couple of large companies, but the famous ones are Walmart, which pretty much everyone's heard of, and also Tyson Foods.
	Oh yeah, they own the state.
	Yeah, and are they mainly poultry?
	Are they chicken?
	Are they lots of...
	Isn't Tyson...
	Started off as a chicken plucker.
	Yeah.
	Well, so they have Tyson Aviation.
	I presume they fly their own food around.
	It seems like that scale is probably cost effective.
	So they offered one of their hangars.
	And this is a hangar where I think when it was full, probably about 5,000 people.
	The big hangar.
	We've seen this with Trump before.
	You have the hangars open.
	You're looking out.
	Runway 33, I think, was a little bit to the left.
	You could see planes coming in head-on as they're kind of landing on that runway.
	There's a podium.
	Halfway back, there's the press and media area, which is all gated off with a riser, so they've got their cameras up there.
	And so...
	Coming up to the airport, there was already quite a line.
	We were an hour and a half early for this noon appearance.
	There were cops everywhere helping everybody park.
	It was really, really orderly.
	There were a few protesters who had signs who were put into a...
	A safe space?
	I think someone actually called it the safe space inside.
	Because it was a private event, they were making announcements like, if you want to protest, please do that outside in the safe space or the free speech zone.
	But he didn't say free speech.
	I think it was like a safe space.
	I like the change of the free speech zone is offensive.
	Private space.
	What they're doing is they're taking...
	Remember that protest that took place at the college?
	Bring some muscle!
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That was...
	We have our safe space.
	Yeah, so...
	They co-opted it.
	Yes, the safe space.
	I'd like to see co-opted.
	It was very good.
	It was very good.
	And then they were making announcements from time to time.
	This is not a public place, so you don't have necessarily...
	We have the right to ask you to leave if you're being disruptive.
	And the way we do that is...
	It's not a public street or anything, yeah.
	No, it was private.
	It was all private.
	I should have recorded.
	It was hard to record stuff.
	I did, but it didn't work out so well.
	And so the announcement was, you know, if you do feel like you need to protest, then we will circle you and go Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, and slowly move you outside.
	So it was very clear this was not going to be any pushback from anybody inside the event.
	The people there...
	Tons of families, lots of kids, lots of brown Americans and white Americans.
	I would say probably 40, almost half were brown, which kind of goes against some conventional thinking, I believe, that it's just a bunch of a-hole, white, racist, supremacist dickheads.
	So coming into the...
	Into the hangar.
	Because it's an airport facility, they had TSA. They had metal detectors.
	Strangely enough, the TSA was still asking us not to bring any liquids into the event.
	What?
	That was very bizarre.
	These drones, it's because they've been programmed.
	They were really kind.
	It wasn't like the typical TSA experience, except for that one point.
	You know, this reminds me.
	Just to take a little diversion.
	So I'm sitting in an airplane on the ground.
	Mm-hmm.
	This is in Brazil.
	And this is in Fortaleza someplace.
	And I'm sitting in this little puddle jumper.
	Well, not a puddle jumper.
	It was like a small plane, though.
	I'm sitting in the airplane.
	I open my laptop and start doing computing.
	The stewardess comes over and tells me to close the laptop.
	I said, why?
	You're on the ground?
	She says, no, you can only use it above 10,000 feet.
	When I'm on the ground, the plane's not even moving.
	We're just sitting here.
	No, the rule is you cannot use the laptop under 10,000 feet.
	You have to be at 10,000 feet.
	This is unbelievable.
	There's no logic.
	It's just stupid.
	No.
	So the TSA, they were asking...
	Although they made out what you're throwing the water bottles at Donald...
	No, no, it wasn't that at all.
	Actually, everyone was really cool.
	The sheriff to state troopers, everybody was there.
	There were guys in camo with little looking glasses, making sure no one was going to do anything bad.
	This, of course, had a downside because when you have a lot of families with kids, you know, by the time Trump was there and, you know, halfway through his speech, you know, kids, they want to pee, they're thirsty, they've eaten all the goldfish in their bag, they want, you know, so people did start to leave.
	I think when we got in, it was about two and a half, three thousand people.
	It filled up to five, maybe six, and then it kind of slowed away halfway through, which you'd never see on television.
	I don't think Trump cares because he understands this is really a television event.
	Let me tell you about the production of this.
	Because there's some things very, very wrong with what he's doing.
	There's some things that are fantastic.
	This will be interesting.
	First, before Trump arrives, and we're kind of all waiting.
	It's like Marcus Garvey coming in from Africa to land in Jamaica.
	The God will come in.
	They had people speaking.
	There were some local politicians.
	It was quite kind of...
	Dare I say, moving in a way, where in succession, some local pastor said a prayer, which was mainly, you know, Lord, please protect Donald Trump and his family so that he can help us.
	I'm not a super religious guy, as we all know, but it was nice to see everyone kind of thinking positive thoughts.
	Then a local singer, I wish I had the name, she did the Star Spangled Banner, and she hit the high note, it was very good.
	And then a couple of veterans came up and did the pledge.
	Hold on a second.
	You have to stop.
	You're telling me that before Trump lands his airplane and comes in, what is the point of singing the Star Spangled Banner?
	America!
	Yeah, America.
	Yeah, well, it was first the prayer, then the Star Spangled Banner, then the Pledge of Allegiance.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	Now, I want to say something.
	I'm not against any of these things.
	I just don't think they should be...
	I mean, and I have nothing against the Pledge of Allegiance at the daily school.
	You get out of here and start the school day with something.
	At least it's a ritual.
	It's a good thing.
	But to add it to every single...
	I'm going to the dry cleaners, honey.
	Okay, let's...
	Hold on a second.
	Oh, say, can you...
	It just makes no sense to me.
	That's...
	Well, the way it's positioned, this is a patriotic Saturday afternoon.
	We're here with our families.
	We're thinking about this great country.
	You have to also understand the people who live in Arkansas.
	They may not be the same as Silicon Valley.
	They might not be the same exactly thinking the way they do about the East Coast.
	So it was more like an event.
	It was a family event in America.
	America!
	What was disturbing to me, personally, is that during both the Star Spangled Banner and the National Anthem, the prostitutes in the press box were not...
	No one was paying attention, not standing, they're on the phone, they're doing their laptops, they're doing stand-ups.
	Really disrespectful.
	I don't know.
	I don't do...
	I feel that's one of the few...
	The patriotic things I still like to do is if there's singing or the Pledge of Allegiance, I'll stop for a second.
	Yeah.
	Is that odd?
	Is that odd that I think that they should do that?
	They just seem so jaded about everything, you know what I mean?
	So jaded.
	I don't think it's odd that you think that way, and I agree.
	And I think you hit the nail on the head with the word jaded.
	Jaded, jaded.
	Which is kind of like my complaining, but I'm not so bad that I wouldn't stand at attention during the singing of the national anthem at a football game.
	Right.
	Where I believe is, you know, at football games it makes a little sense.
	You have them once a week.
	It's kind of a militaristic game.
	Yeah.
	Baseball, I'm not so sure.
	Let me see.
	About the people?
	And by the way, this national anthem for these games really only began in the 50s, I believe.
	They never did this in the 1930s.
	I'll repeat, I love our national anthem.
	It reflects so well who we are with the rockets' red glare and the bombs bursting in air.
	I think we have the only national anthem that includes war.
	Boom!
	Now, here is that they really mess things up going on.
	The ground production, then whoever is in charge of the Trump ground team, it's really pretty good, but you are really missing out on a few things.
	And here's what I saw in the production.
	Well, first of all, I was trying to track Trump's plane, and it turns out he has received one of those, I guess somehow the FAA is allowing certain aircraft to no longer be trackable through some of the regular aviation apps and websites.
	We can track their status, yeah.
	And his registration is November 757 Alpha Foxtrot.
	Then I finally was able to track it through an FAA website access that I have because I'm a pilot.
	So I could kind of see him coming in from Oklahoma.
	And he was 10 minutes late.
	I could see that he was 10 minutes late.
	Now, so we're all in this hangar and there's a big opening that you see in the sky.
	And then finally there it comes.
	And Trump's plane is on the way in.
	He circles around.
	John, he did a 400-foot flyby in the 757.
	That was the baddest ass thing I've ever seen.
	Because the 757 at 400-500 feet, its nose is up.
	It's like...
	It's almost like the Concord plowing through the air.
	Just, you know, literally plowing through the air at slow, slow speed.
	Very impressive.
	Very impressive.
	And at that point, when he's doing that, this is the music that's playing the whole time.
	So, oh my god!
	Look, here he comes!
	And there's a flyby...
	This is the soundtrack to Air Force One, the movie with the Harrison Ford, and this is what they're playing.
	Now, here's the problem.
	He was ten minutes late, and they started the track on time, but it just played and played, and we're all like, oh, here it comes!
	I'm like, no, no, that's Continental, because I had the apps.
	I'm like, no, that's not him, that's Continental Airlines.
	And the music continues to play, and everyone's like, woo!
	There's no coordination, that's not good.
	Somehow they didn't have the coordination.
	I thought they had contact with the aircraft, but something was not happening.
	But what was worse, they only had three songs on the tape that they played for about 15 minutes, including this bombastic piece.
	They repeated this one twice, because they finally got it right when he was arriving.
	But there were two other songs.
	Rolling Stones, You Can't Always Get What You Want.
	And then for some reason, which we heard three times, including when he was rolling up, because he does the flyby, he lands, comes by, he passes by the hangar, then turns around to have the left side with the door near the stairs.
	And this is his arrival, which should have been this.
	It should have been this.
	It should have been this music.
	But it was this.
	See if you can hear it.
	That is really hard to hear.
	I can't hear it.
	Let's try this one.
	This may be better for you to hear.
	Hold on.
	This is what's playing while he's arriving.
	Elton John's Tiny Dancer.
	you Thank you.
	Why?
	It was a gigantic cock-up.
	He's had all the bombastic music, and three times we already heard this song.
	The gayest possible shit song ever.
	And he's not aware of it, because by the time his door's open and he's down, it's over.
	But they've already played it twice, and we're all looking at each other like, because a couple of producers were there.
	What's the messaging here?
	Tiny dancer, Elton John would be horrified.
	So they have no tape.
	By the way, those public playing of these songs has to be, they have to get approval for that.
	I'm sure neither one of those songs were signed off.
	You know, that's not entirely true.
	That is not entirely true.
	You have to pay ASCAP BMI using it in a venue.
	I don't know if you can be forbidden by law, by statutory law.
	Ah, you're right, you're right.
	But you still have to have a sign-off from ASCAP. There's got to be some money exchange.
	Oh no, you have to pay the fee for it, no doubt about it.
	And I think...
	It gets a little fuzzy if you use it with promotional activity because then there's a sync fee if it's in an ad.
	It's complicated, but musicians like to complain about it.
	I didn't give them permission, but you really don't need permission.
	You just need to pay the performance fee.
	But regardless, Tiny Dancer?
	Are you kidding me?
	That was really bad.
	That's almost like a dirty trick.
	I considered it.
	I considered it.
	But I was standing.
	I went over and looked, John.
	I'm looking at these guys.
	He didn't have contact with the aircraft.
	I saw that.
	It's like that's all they had.
	They had these three songs.
	The big Air Force One thing.
	They had the, you can't always get what you want.
	Which is also, what?
	No.
	That's not the message.
	You can't always get what you want.
	Well, thanks.
	I guess I'll go home then.
	Really?
	Where's the big savior?
	The big savior.
	So there are some real production problems on the ground.
	Although for television, of course, it does not matter.
	It really doesn't matter.
	It looked fantastic.
	I'll take their little bite and that's it.
	They're done.
	I think it looked really good.
	I think a report on television, which you just gave us, but without the television part, a report on television would be valuable and a critique, but we don't hear any of that.
	He went on for quite a while, which is where he lost the audience in the venue, which didn't make that much difference for the...
	Well, first of all, when you have...
	If you saw the television, I'm just looking at this from production.
	I mean, seriously, you know, the plane rolls up, they push the steps up, the door opens, and then there's an announcement.
	Oh, and please welcome governor of New Jersey, Chris Christie.
	So Christie and Trump both walked down, you know, and that was, that was, ooh.
	The aircraft as the backdrop has a really big positive and a really big negative.
	The positive is, on television, it had a very interesting...
	Because it's black on the top, it has the stripes in the middle, and then white on the bottom.
	It has a very interesting kind of sheen and hue in the background.
	I don't know if it's intentional, but it looked pretty cool.
	Because you have Trump standing there, you see the bottom of the aircraft.
	But if you pull the shot out...
	Any aircraft, black is a hard color.
	It looks grubby on his plane, honestly.
	Especially after you've flown.
	You fly, you land, you've got the black color.
	It looks kind of trashy.
	It's a minor point, I know.
	It's a minor point.
	It's a minor point.
	Then he, you know, he did his very typical, he went into some great detail about the lawsuit of Trump University, which he felt was necessary, I presume, for the television cameras, because that's when people got, you know, people started to kind of leave, trickle away, you know, slowly.
	Oh yeah, they're not interested.
	No.
	And I talked to a couple folks.
	There was one guy with a...
	He had six kids, and his wife was originally from Australia.
	And they said, no, you've got a beautiful...
	You were just in the audience with everybody else, and you were being gregarious.
	Gregarious?
	Yeah.
	What does that mean?
	That means that you will chat with a stranger standing next to you.
	Oh, yeah, of course.
	And I said, hey, you've got a beautiful family.
	He said, oh, thank you very much.
	And then I said, oh, it's so fun you take your kids this evening.
	He said, yep.
	Yeah, I might as well be brainwashing him instead of this crap.
	That's what he said.
	Yeah, I said I'd rather be brainwashing him than the crap that I'm being brainwashed with.
	Yeah, that was our listeners too.
	A lot of young, a lot of college kids were there.
	You know, I'd say most of these people, if you met them on the street, you wouldn't go like, you know, scanners.
	There's no way to see that.
	There were no skinheads.
	There were no, you know, gangs.
	Everyone was really polite and courteous.
	It was a family outing.
	It was very, very surprising.
	That's exactly what it was.
	Yeah, and it was just nice.
	The funny thing I've always kind of found amusing about areas like this part of Arkansas, where you can go see Trump.
	I mean, I'm not going to be able to see Trump if he comes around here.
	It would be impossible.
	Or any place else in the big city.
	You don't get to see this stuff.
	And another example is, say a major rock band comes through.
	If I want to go see them, they'll be playing at the ballpark or something.
	This is a waste of my time.
	But if you're in Fayetteville and the band happens to be going through, they'll play at a reasonably sized venue.
	They play at Amp.
	That's the Walmart Amphitheater.
	Beautiful 10,000 seaters.
	And the tickets will be reasonably priced.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And you can get a good seat and it's a high quality production because it's the group doing it.
	It's a very interesting experience if you're living in Fayetteville compared to living in Berkeley.
	Yes.
	And people are different.
	And nice.
	And nice.
	Yeah, so you kind of have, of course, you always have the, you know, you see them kind of like the snowbirds, but they're here in Arkansas.
	And, you know, I'm just saying like, you know, they're near 80 and, you know, they're retired.
	They're looking like they're kind of happy about life, but then they have all the glittery American flag hats and stuff.
	And the glittery jackets.
	It's cute.
	There's a question of taste.
	No taste, for sure.
	No taste.
	But the rest...
	John, it was just...
	It was family.
	It was kind of...
	It was once...
	And Trump was doing a television event.
	This is not for the people there.
	Because he does not play the crowd...
	Very well at the event, except for the people right in the front, which isn't what matters.
	But I did become extremely obsessed with one thing about Trump.
	His speech patterns.
	I've really started to focus on this.
	Someone sent me a reasonably good deconstruction.
	It's a YouTube video which makes no sense playing because a lot of it is what's on the screen.
	But when you listen to Trump, he speaks in pretty much single and two-syllable words all the time.
	The three-syllable words are You know, big ones like tremendous, you know, the words he really wants to get out there.
	But sometimes if it's a four-syllable word, he'll use a two-syllable word if he can.
	And the more I think about this, you and I both know, have certainly been around or met incredibly wealthy, successful people in business.
	And they all, in my recollection, they all do have some kind of very basic form of communication.
	Almost like farmers, you know?
	I'm not explaining it very well.
	No, we'll keep trying.
	But they don't use...
	Certainly if they have retail or restaurants or very successful in things that deal with people, not necessarily with banking and computers, they speak very, very simply.
	And that's part of the sales tactic, which I think Trump does very well.
	And I was even talking with Tina about it.
	She said, did you think he's doing that on purpose?
	She said, no, but I don't think so.
	I think this is exactly why he speaks.
	This is how he speaks, and this has worked very well for him.
	I have two examples just to get this started and move away from the event.
	I call it simple speak, talking about being audited.
	I think this was from the debate, which I didn't see.
	I had an interesting experience.
	We listened to it while we were in the car.
	It was kind of fun to listen.
	That would be different.
	It was very different.
	The way it came across to me is whenever Rubio or Cruz was attacking Trump, he just overrode it and was just talking so loud you really didn't hear the attack.
	I don't know how that came across on television.
	You couldn't even really understand what he was talking about or what the attack was about.
	There was all kinds of piling on.
	It made it very inaudible.
	So here he is with simple speak.
	But maybe this is...
	Yeah, I think this is from the debate.
	Yesterday, the last Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, called on you to release your back tax returns and said, and I'm quoting him now, there is good reason to believe there is a bombshell in them.
	Romney said either you're not as wealthy as you say you are, said maybe you haven't paid the kind of taxes we would expect you to pay, or you haven't been giving the money to veterans or disabled people.
	Are any of those accusations...
	That he has leveled true.
	Now, listen to the single and double syllables and the lack of three syllables, how he punches the important words.
	This is a very interesting speech pattern.
	First of all, let me just explain.
	I was the first one to file a financial disclosure form, almost 100 pages.
	You don't learn anything about somebody's wealth with a tax return.
	This was an interesting point.
	You don't earn anything about anybody's wealth from a simple tax return, which is true.
	I think you can know what taxes someone paid, but you don't really know about wealth.
	You learn it from statements.
	I filed, which shows that I'm worth over $10 billion.
	I built a great company with very little debt.
	People were shocked.
	The people in the back, the reporters, they were shocked when they went down.
	And I filed it on time.
	I didn't ask for five 45-day extensions, which I would have been entitled to.
	So as far as that's concerned, I filed it, and that's where you find out what kind of a company.
	You don't learn anything from a tax return.
	And he goes back and he keeps referring back.
	He'll go back to something he said two seconds ago and repeat it and then something that is relevant to him.
	It's very intricate in its simplicity, I think.
	I will say this.
	Mitt Romney looked like a fool when he delayed and delayed and delayed and Harry Reid baited him so beautifully.
	And Mitt Romney didn't file his return until September 21st of 2012.
	About a month and a half before the election.
	He clearly knew this was all coming.
	He was very prepared for this.
	And still, very simple terms, very simple explanations.
	I think anyone can kind of get what he's saying without having to be dragged down into understand Federal Election Commission filings and tax returns.
	And it cost him big league.
	As far as my return, I want to file it.
	Big league.
	Except...
	For many years, I've been audited every year.
	Twelve years or something like that.
	Every year they audit me, audit me, audit me.
	This is fantastic.
	Audit me, audit me, audit me.
	You say something three times, people remember.
	Nobody gets audited.
	I have friends that are very wealthy people.
	They never get audited.
	I get audited every year.
	I will absolutely give my return, but I'm being audited now for two or three years, so I can't do it until the audit is finished, obviously, and I think people would understand that.
	And end it with that.
	I think people would understand that, clearly.
	This is...
	I think this is his natural state.
	I don't think he's doing NLP on purpose.
	I don't think he's speech pattern.
	This is him.
	And it's a gift of gab.
	It's a gift.
	It is a gift.
	A total gift.
	That's why he can go up, fly there, and do a two-hour speech, or sometimes an hour, not generally two, but over an hour, much of it repetitious.
	But he'd do a two-hour speech, no notes, no notes, Just off the top of his head, and they'll be different enough that you'd want to go listen to him.
	And what was interesting in this particular piece was the IRS. Now, he knows that eventually he's going to be asked to do this, and he is being audited, and he brought something up that Ben Carson then hooked into.
	We have a system of taxation in this country that is horribly wrong.
	You know, I never had an audit before.
	Until I spoke at the National Prayer Breakfast.
	And then all of a sudden, they came in, they said, we just want to look at your real estate dealings.
	And then they didn't find anything, so they said, let's look at the whole year.
	And they didn't find anything, so they said, let's look at the next year, and the next year.
	And they didn't find anything, and they won't find anything, because I'm a very honest person.
	But the fact of the matter is, the IRS is not honest, and we need to get rid of them.
	Now, of course, what Carson was pointing out is that the IRS, the optics of the Obama administration IRS, is they went after religious groups who had non-profits, and this is pretty much proven, although, oh, we lost all the emails, and God knows what happened, and it's a mess.
	The IRS was...
	I think clearly being used as a tool.
	Right after the debate, Trump sat down with, or one of those kind of, before he goes into the spin room with the Cuomo kid from CNN, and now Trump really spun it out beautifully.
	They came at you tonight about something that's in the news right now that really is at your control, which is the tax returns.
	Mitt Romney during the debate was bringing it up again.
	You can show him in a second if you want to.
	Why is Trump delaying?
	Let me explain.
	You know, Mitt is a guy who was a horrible candidate.
	He lost a race that should have been won and should have been won easily.
	And I don't know what happened.
	He like disappeared the last two months.
	But when Mitt gave his tax returns, just so you understand, it was about six months from now in 2012.
	It was 2012.
	It was exactly September 21st.
	And that's when he gave his tax return.
	We're in a different world.
	So listen to this stuff.
	We're in a different world.
	This guy is very good.
	So, you know, Mitt is just trying to remain relevant.
	Nobody's talking to him much anymore.
	He got some publicity today.
	But the one problem I have is that I'm always audited by the IRS, which I think is very unfair.
	I don't know, maybe because of religion, maybe because of something else, maybe because I'm doing this, although this is just recently.
	Well, maybe because of the fact that I'm a strong Christian and I feel strongly about it and maybe there's a bias.
	You think maybe you get audited for being a strong Christian?
	Well, you see what's happened.
	I mean, you have many religious groups that are complaining about that.
	They've been complaining about it for a long time.
	So at least the ones that aren't audited.
	This seems like an easy answer for you.
	No, I can't do that.
	I can't do that.
	We have to put it together in a very unified way.
	They all relate to each other.
	I don't know if you saw the picture I have where I have almost a thousand pages.
	Big stack of paper.
	The ones from previous relate to the ones later and it doesn't make sense.
	So he brings in the religious IRS... Yeah, I thought that was weak.
	I heard him do that.
	It's a setup.
	It's a setup.
	It's what he does.
	He was ready for this.
	And I, you know, I wouldn't put it past him, but he called Mitt Romney and said, hey, they're going to ask for my tax returns.
	Why don't you ask now, then I can do this whole IRS audit thing and delay it for a while.
	He was a big...
	I don't think that...
	Yeah, I don't think that happened, but I agree with you.
	I think it could happen, something like that.
	I apologize.
	They're businessmen at a high...
	That entire stratosphere of high-level business guys that are worth billions in many cases, but at least 100 or 200 million, they all hang out together.
	I know it sounds like bullcrap, but they do.
	They do.
	Because they don't trust anybody else.
	And so they, so there's a, like a, it's like a club.
	Yeah.
	It's like a wealth club and they don't, they call each other, they talk to each other a little more than they talk to you and me.
	Exactly.
	I apologize, there was one clip I did record from his Arkansas speech, which I found to be entertaining because we have talked about this type of law in the past on the show.
	They never want to do anything good.
	I'm not just talking to them, I'm talking about the other ones too.
	The media, the most dishonest human beings on earth, I'm telling you.
	At this point, I'm looking at the press guys.
	And, oh, may I point out, there are some hot chicks walking around in press these days who are in production.
	They're carrying sticks, which is television jargon for tripod.
	They're carrying sticks and then stopwatches.
	And they're wearing...
	It was mind-boggling.
	They're wearing high heels.
	It's show business.
	High heels!
	They're working their way into getting on camera.
	And they have to climb up onto the riser, and it's graded steps and everything.
	I'm like, what are you doing?
	They had short skirts on.
	It was just like, wow!
	Wow, wow, wow!
	Wow, wow, wow!
	All right, here we go.
	So when I look at the press, then they're like, whatever.
	Some of them are laughing at each other and stuff.
	The most.
	And we're going to, by the way, while I'm on that subject, I am going to do everything I can if I win.
	They write false stories.
	They write nasty false stories and they know their faults.
	I've had some written more than I've ever seen before in the last period of a few months.
	They write false stories you can't really sue because the libel laws are essentially non-existent.
	We're going to open up the libel laws so when they write falsely, we can sue the media and we can get the story corrected and get damages.
	Right?
	Believe me.
	So important.
	And you know what?
	It'll be amazing how honest they've become.
	Right now, they can say anything they want to say.
	Someday, in the not-too-distant future, if I win, they're not going to get away with the stuff that they get away with.
	And I think we all feel...
	Don't we feel that way?
	Beautiful.
	Very, very dishonest people.
	Don't we all feel that way?
	I think we feel...
	Don't we all feel that way?
	Well, we do the same thing on this show.
	We play on the kind of public acceptance of the media as being douchebags in general.
	Yeah, and they are.
	And they are.
	I mean, we've worked in it, and, you know, a lot of these guys are douchebags.
	How about the libel laws comment, though?
	What do you feel about that?
	That's bullshit.
	Libel laws have already got these guys on the run.
	I mean, they're already too liberal.
	In the olden days, in the 20s and 30s, you could really go after people.
	It's not that way anymore.
	And the guys who run the newspapers and the media, generally speaking, are kind of wimpy.
	The owners.
	And they don't want, they won't let you, you know, they're very, ooh, don't do that, don't do this.
	I mean, they're very afraid.
	And so this is nonsense.
	I don't know what, I think he's just playing ignorance, the ignorance card, because that's, that's not nuts.
	Yeah, possible.
	Yeah, they can report what they do is they, you know, they go out and there's no libel involved in these stories.
	I watched these stories.
	Citing no proof.
	We, citing no proof, we deconstruct these stories constantly, and the amount of libel, and I was even wrong about the citing no proof when I said the guy was a liar for saying, quoting him from his Twitter feed, because I had seen one tweet, and apparently it was another one that he did say those things, so I apologize to that reporter if he ever cares.
	But the, if you analyze these pieces, yes, they chop them up, A little bit.
	But generally speaking, they're pretty good.
	TV news is not bad.
	It gives you a picture.
	It's slanted.
	Slanted is not liable.
	If a guy says ten things, and you find one of them, and you think it's kind of abhorrent that he said this one thing, and you pound on the one thing, ignoring the other nine, that's not liable.
	That's slanted.
	That's different.
	So Trump is just full of crap on this.
	Yeah.
	Full of crap.
	I have the feeling, just having been around a lot of millennials here, because it's MILF weekend here at the school.
	I'm sorry.
	Mother's weekend.
	This is wall-to-wall MILFs, man.
	And I'm in a trailer.
	Hey.
	Hey.
	Want to see my trailer?
	You guys, from this perspective, and down there in the South, that's high living.
	Yeah.
	Hi, I'm the hog, we say.
	Hi, I'm the hog.
	Because it's an Airstream, baby.
	You know, we were getting gas at...
	We were probably in Oklahoma.
	And I'm pumping gas, and Tina's in the car.
	And this lady pulls up at the pump next to me, and she says, Hey!
	I look at her, and I'm thinking maybe she recognized me or something.
	I love your trailer!
	Can I look inside?
	The trailer tour!
	I'm like, uh, what do you say?
	You say yes.
	No!
	It's kind of locked up, right?
	Come on, are you crazy?
	What are some of the people in my trailer?
	That was odd.
	People say, oh, that's cool, can I look in it?
	No.
	No.
	It's strange.
	Anyway, so I'm around a lot of millennials.
	I have a feeling that a lot of them are looking at Trump.
	Bernie has now been slandered by the Hillary team.
	They've been sending out all of these astro...
	I had to explain to some of these kids here what astroturf is.
	They say, well, you know, look at this article that says, you know, Bernie's numbers don't add up.
	So, and we really need to vote for Hillary because Bernie's numbers don't add up.
	And actually, I got a cool clip here from Killer Mike.
	Can you name one song by Killer Mike?
	I've listened to Killer Mike.
	I've admired him.
	I've listened to his entire interview on the Tavis Smiley Show.
	I really like the guy.
	And then the answer to your question is no.
	No, I can't either.
	But there was a little piece, and he was manning one of the phone banks for Bernie.
	And I'm pretty sure that this is how lots of these phone calls go, but this is Killer Mike himself manning the phone bank.
	I think you'll be able to understand what he's saying.
	Eventually, he gets someone on the phone, and he's pitching him on voting for Bernie Sanders instead of for Hillary.
	Hey, I've gotten a lot of phone calls, so let me tell you, the phone banks are working.
	My name is Michael Winder.
	You'll just let her know Killer Mike called.
	And I'd like you to consider voting for him, Ms.
	Edith.
	All right, we got one strong for Bernie, baby.
	Yes, ma'am.
	He is a Democrat.
	And what I like about him over Hillary Clinton, Ms.
	Edith, is he has an economic policy that's beneficial for black boys and black men especially.
	It'll bring minimum wage up to $15 for black women with working families.
	It'll help to bring some of these boys home from jail and get back to working.
	and he's offering free school and health care.
	And I really think those are issues that are important in our community.
	So when you go out to vote, I would hope that you would be casting the vote for Mr. Sanders.
	I'm not sure if you could hear that well enough, but his pitch is he's going to raise the minimum wage to $15 and he's offering free school and health care.
	That's, that's...
	That's...
	Good pitch?
	He's offering free school and healthcare.
	Do people know how government works?
	The president can't offer this.
	No, he can't.
	No, he can't.
	So I think it actually hurts, and now we have this movement that is telling the kids, you know, Bernie's, it's impossible.
	He can't do any of this.
	It doesn't add up.
	It doesn't add up.
	That's a meme.
	It's a good one.
	Oh, yeah.
	And a lot of these kids are now saying, well, but why don't we just do Donald Trump then?
	Well, since the arguments for both candidates, even though they're at the other end of the political spectrum, the political spectrum is a circle, and it wraps around, and so as you go further out, you start coming around the other side, and those two, a lot of people, if you put them side by side, there's a lot of similarities, because they're both out there and wrapping around the other side.
	That's why Trump's always accused of being a Democrat.
	And that actually, I think, helps him when people say that.
	I think so, too.
	I think a lot of the slams so far have been...
	I think the last debate, which I have some clips from, but instead I took the presentation done by ABC and broke it up into three pieces because it was outstanding.
	I have a few clips myself, which I pulled because...
	Before we do any of that...
	Since you were at an actual event witnessing it, and you know how the production was going and all the rest of it, how Trump is doing, I have to at least take a little side trip here and talk about the libertarian debate.
	Yes, because I didn't have cable.
	I was lucky enough.
	People gave me sling boxes and stuff to watch.
	I completely missed the libertarian debate.
	It looked like there were 50 people on stage.
	Well, it was streaming online only, as I can tell.
	There were 50 people on stage, it looked like.
	There was a bunch of people on stage, and let me describe it.
	First of all, here, let me play the little sound clip.
	The sound was horrid.
	Play the Libertarian Debate sound clip here as much as you can take of it.
	This is what you were hearing.
	Hold on a second.
	I don't see that.
	I see...
	sound clip?
	It just says Libertarian something.
	Oh, it says Lobertarians.
	Okay, got it.
	Oh, Lobertarians.
	Play the Lobertarians clip.
	What I'd like to mention...
	Wait, this was the streaming audio?
	Yes.
	Oh, jeez.
	How long did that go on?
	The whole thing.
	You're kidding me.
	Now, wait, this gets worse.
	You think that's bad?
	Can I play more of this?
	You can play as much as you want.
	Play it.
	See if you can make anything.
	I think.
	I have a question of what type of tax plan.
	I recommend a decent...
	Not a single word.
	No, it's horrible.
	So here, now the camera was shooting, I believe, a wide-angle lens from probably the back of the hall to the front.
	One camera.
	Like a Logitech webcam.
	Yes, a lot of people described it as such.
	I nailed it.
	It's a webcam looking thing from the back of the room and you can see half the audience and the stage.
	The stage probably comprised about maybe 5% of the video feed.
	And across the stage there were these figures behind podiums and they were so over lit that all that appeared was like white splotches.
	Who was doing the production of this thing?
	Nobody, apparently.
	It was somebody's responsibility.
	Well, they had the one camera, and there was never a shot of anybody.
	It was just this room shot.
	That's all it was.
	A vague room shot.
	John, get your tube.
	You can do that.
	You can do that.
	Hold on.
	I'm going to put the background...
	Then they went across the thing, and then they were sounding like they were talking...
	Nailed it!
	So you didn't know who anybody was, and when they announced their name, what do you think, mister?
	You couldn't hear the moderator's voice because of...
	Oh my god!
	And this went on for like an hour or two.
	And so my daughter's over doing some work here and she...
	Are you making her clean the house again?
	I said, hey, you got to see this.
	Her reaction was completely unexpected by me.
	But when she gave the reaction, I said, oh, that's the real reaction.
	I should be thinking in these terms.
	I said, you gotta look at this.
	And she said, what's this?
	I said, this is the libertarian debate and she watches it and it's just this little screen with those people you can't see and there's no camera moving.
	She said, did you ever shoot anybody?
	I said, no, there's never a shot of anyone.
	And she goes, aww.
	Like it was sad?
	That was like it was really sad.
	Oh, she felt bad for them.
	She felt bad and when she gave that reaction I said, oh my god, that is the reaction.
	Of the millennials.
	Yes, it's pathetic.
	Oh, that's so sad.
	And did you punish her on the spot?
	No, I just...
	She said, man...
	Boy, my dad is kooky.
	And that's it.
	I mean, what can you do?
	Nothing.
	Oh, how sad.
	They got my first Sony on stage.
	Mr.
	Microphone.
	Excellent.
	Exactly.
	It was like they're using cheap mics, a webcam...
	Fabulous.
	Hello, 1992 calling.
	We want our M-Bone back.
	Do you have anything else from the Liberty?
	I guess you didn't have anything because you couldn't hear it.
	No, what could I get?
	You had the soundtrack there.
	I mean, that's the best I could do.
	I, um...
	I don't even know who the candidates are.
	They never had a camera on anybody.
	It was from the back of the room.
	That's crazy.
	Couldn't see anybody's face.
	Well, shame on every single one of those candidates, because if you're involved in this, that's what your team or you should be looking at.
	Morons.
	They don't care.
	All they did is fish and moan about the Second Amendment.
	From the GOP debate, I picked one clip from Kasich who said something...
	He's a very modern...
	He's a progressive Republican.
	This is my new term.
	He's a progressive Republican.
	It's not a new term.
	It's not a new term?
	That term has been around.
	Teddy Roosevelt.
	I liked what he said about...
	The, you know, religion and gays and not want to serve pizzas and, you know, cater the cupcakes.
	And I thought it's worth playing again because this is the first time I've heard someone in the Republican Party on a stage just say something like, oh, that's logical and it fits and it works for everybody.
	Back to religious liberty.
	You've been a little bit less emphatic.
	You've said same-sex couple approaches a cupcake maker.
	Sell them a cupcake!
	Can we trust you as much on religious liberty as the rest of these people?
	Well, you know, of course.
	I mean, look, I was involved in just being a pioneer in a new church.
	Religious institutions should be able to practice the religion that they believe in.
	No question and no doubt about it.
	Now, in regard to same-sex marriage, I don't favor it.
	I've always favored traditional marriage.
	But look, the court has ruled, and I've moved on.
	And what I've said to you is that, look, Where does it end?
	If you're in the business of selling things, if you're not going to sell to somebody you don't agree with, today I'm not going to sell to somebody who's gay, then tomorrow maybe I won't sell to somebody who's divorced.
	I mean, if you're in the business of commerce, conduct commerce.
	That's my view.
	And if you don't agree with their lifestyle, say a prayer for them when they leave and hope they change their behavior.
	I love that.
	And that is the true answer for people who are, you know, even for the crazy group who are always out there with signs, just to have signs.
	What are those guys?
	Yeah, the Baptist Church.
	So, if you are truly a believer, then what your mission is for people who you believe are sinners is to pray for them.
	Makes so much sense.
	Thank you, John Kasich.
	Thank you.
	You don't boycott him.
	You don't yell at him.
	I pray for you.
	Yell at him.
	Yeah, I pray for you.
	That's good.
	I like that.
	Finally, a guy...
	Yeah, no, that was a good answer.
	You said, yeah, no.
	Amen.
	To do John Kasich, you got to stick both your lips out as far as you possibly can and then try to talk.
	I think that...
	I think Donald Trump might be looking at him as a VP candidate.
	I do.
	Like the kiss from across the room.
	I know.
	It could be.
	But, okay.
	So where were you before I rudely interrupt you with my libertarian...
	Well, you had nothing left.
	I also had to run down.
	We should maybe do the run down of the debate since you...
	Can I just play my two clips from the debate?
	Yeah, plan.
	Did I have one more?
	That was one.
	My second one was...
	Oh.
	Listening in the automobile.
	It was...
	Our heads whipped around and looked at each other when we heard what I dubbed the Rubio screamer.
	What the heck was this thing in the audience?
	If he builds the wall the way he built Trump Towers, he'll be using illegal immigrant labor to do it.
	The second...
	What is that?
	What is that?
	Wait for the second one.
	I don't understand because your ties and the clothes you make is made in Mexico and in China.
	So you're going to be starting a trade war against your own ties and your own suits.
	And the third time.
	I don't know anything about bankrupting four companies.
	What is that?
	Who can even make that noise?
	That's someone who has a, can scream.
	Stacked!
	That's interesting.
	You have to assume, that brings me back to my old Led Zeppelin story, which I'm...
	Yes, yes, I love the Led Zeppelin story, yes.
	Where you had a shill.
	But hold on.
	John, John, John, John, John, John.
	Hold on a second.
	You have to set it back for a second.
	What year are we going to?
	I'm not going to do the Led Zeppelin story.
	You want me to do it?
	Yeah, hold on.
	We're going back to 1972.
	1960.
	1968.
	1968.
	Something like that.
	It's a long time ago.
	Led Zeppelin made their first appearance in the United States.
	Yes.
	Their first appearance?
	Yes.
	Dang, nation.
	Cool.
	appearance of a lot of these guys. - Dynamite. - That's the way it is back then.
	So I'm at the Led Zeppelin concert and there was a moment where they sing one of those songs.
	They have a lot of pauses in their songs and they jump right into something.
	I forgot what song it was.
	I'd have to listen to all those songs to figure it out.
	But right at some moment, they're just about to cut loose.
	And they're just about to cut loose.
	And somebody in the back, far left, you could tell where they were.
	It was a small house.
	It wasn't a film or anything.
	Yeah.
	Let out a blood-curdling scream.
	And then the Led Zeppelin cut right into whatever they were, full volume with all these amps.
	Boom, boom, boom.
	And it just seems, at the time, I kept on my brain.
	So the next day, this was I think during the summer or something, I was working at the Kaiser Aluminum canned plant with a bunch of other guys.
	And we'd have a lunch break at the lunchroom, and I talked to this guy.
	He said, oh yeah, I just went to see him yesterday.
	I saw him maybe the week before.
	And they came right to me.
	I said, you know where they played this certain song and then there's this pause and then there was somebody in the back screamed at the top of their lungs and he says to me, yeah!
	And I said, that was, as soon as he said that, yeah, they did the same thing.
	It was my performance.
	And I said, oh, it's a plant.
	It was a setup.
	It was part of the act.
	Man, those shitty Brits come up with all these ideas.
	It's called a shill in the audience.
	It's not really a new idea.
	And we're back.
	It's like having the applauders, you know?
	Yeah, well, this was...
	The woman only did that during Rubio.
	Even Trump got some applause, but there was no one screaming, not for Cruz, no, nothing.
	It was very...
	No, she was planted probably by one of the...
	They mic the rooms.
	Yeah, mic the room.
	And if you could put yourself near one of those mics, if you know where they are, you could have an impact.
	You can nail it.
	If you can scream at the top of your lungs.
	You can nail it.
	And that's what she was.
	She was a professional screamer.
	Excellent.
	I have a couple of clips that do not revolve around the debate, so I think you should go into your rundown.
	All right, well, let's listen to...
	This is ABC, who we know are beside themselves.
	I think they're right now doing a fairly objective job, even though there's a couple non-sequiturs in here that are kind of rich.
	But they're doing a fairly objective job of reporting on the campaigns because they've lost their man, Jeb Bush.
	Yeah.
	Jeb be done.
	Jeb's done.
	And so they handle it pretty well.
	And they don't have...
	You know, I was watching the NBC report.
	I just thought...
	I'm sorry to interrupt.
	I just thought of something.
	Jeb suspended his campaign.
	Do you think that he still keeps the option open to come back?
	I think to come in at the convention.
	I think there's a possibility.
	I agree.
	Of course he does.
	I compared this, I don't have the clip of it, but I compared the Katie Turr On NBC, who has this feud with Trump, she was beside herself with broad smiles because she saw the debate and she saw that Trump got pounded by a tag team between Trump and Rubio.
	They were just piling on.
	She normally fairly seriously, but she couldn't get rid of this huge, shit-eating grin she had.
	Big sprint.
	So here's my point.
	Oops, sorry, sorry.
	Okay, so let's play.
	This is ABC, and we've already gotten into it.
	It went on for five minutes, so I cut it down to three clips.
	Oops, sorry.
	The guy who pummeled Marco Rubio in the ABC News New Hampshire debate, and today he called Rubio's new tough tone...
	Senator Rubio.
	Desperate.
	Desperate people in campaigns through desperate things, flailing punches in the last days of a losing campaign.
	There is no better fighter than Donald Trump.
	But it sure looked like Rubio had Trump on the ropes last night, mocking him for repeating simple talking points on health care.
	We should have gotten rid of the lines.
	We should have gotten rid of the lines around the states.
	We have to get rid of the lines around the states.
	But now he's repeating himself.
	No, I'm not repeating.
	No, no, no.
	I watched him repeat himself five times four weeks ago.
	I saw you repeat yourself five times five seconds ago.
	Today, Rubio sounded like an entirely new candidate.
	Huh.
	All right.
	So, so, so Rubio, and he's doing, and he's in one of his presentations outside of the debate, and they have some clips from it coming up.
	Uh...
	I'm watching this too, the same way this guy did.
	He said, what is going on with Rubio?
	He's standing there, he's throwing out one-liners.
	Well, we all know what happened.
	You saw the video of him popping a pill.
	Yeah, no, that's what happened, obviously.
	Yeah.
	I don't even know if it's popping a pill.
	Comedians, a lot of comedians will get this way, but they have to have about five or six lines of Coke.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Now, the guy's from Florida, so let's add two and two here.
	Yeah, let's say he needs five lines of Coke and some Adderall.
	He's from Florida.
	Well, whatever.
	And Adderall makes you sweat, by the way.
	Yeah.
	So he's gone from this kind of reticent guy who's being pushed around, bullied, to this fantastic stand-up comic with timing.
	I mean, I was listening to his material, and he says, you know, you've been repeating yourself five times a week, a month ago.
	He says, I heard you repeat yourself five times five seconds ago, you know, back and forth.
	And all his material was on the money.
	He was reading the lines, though.
	He was reading the one-liners.
	I saw that.
	It was good.
	I'm in agreement.
	Well, he wasn't reading what he did when he went out and talked, although he did the same, I heard the same bit.
	He does this bit about Trump in the dressing room, and then Trump had to come up with a comeback.
	With the trowel.
	With the trowel thing.
	And here's the whole thing it kind of laid out.
	ABC did a really good job of pulling this out.
	Launching Trump-like attacks against Trump.
	Let me tell you something.
	Last night in the debate during one of the breaks, two of the breaks, he went backstage.
	He was having a meltdown.
	First, he had this little makeup thing, applying, like, makeup around his mustache, because he had one of those sweat mustaches.
	Then, then he asked for a full-length mirror.
	I don't know why, because the podium goes up to here, but he wanted a full-length mirror.
	Maybe to make sure his pants weren't wet.
	I don't know.
	We asked Trump about that.
	He actually suggested that you were sweating backstage, that you seemed rad.
	I'll tell you about backstage, I mean, if you'd like.
	I walked back there, and he's with a pile of makeup, putting it on his face.
	They said, Marco...
	Easy with the makeup.
	You don't need that much.
	But no, I heard he had some very nasty personal comments.
	But I saw him backstage and he was putting it on with a trowel.
	Later, Trump performed an odd impression of that infamous moment when Rubio reached for his water bottle on national television.
	It's Rubio!
	Rubio clearly incurred the wrath of Trump.
	I love that bit that Trump did with the water.
	That was very funny.
	But Rubio, again, when he's giving his little talk in front of his supporters and he says...
	Maybe he was looking to see if his pants were wet.
	Great line.
	It was written for him, by the way.
	There's no doubt about it.
	He found a comedy writer.
	There's no doubt about it.
	But his timing is natural.
	He says, maybe his pants were wet.
	I don't know.
	And the way he slips into the I don't know, it was perfect.
	It was a perfect time gag.
	That's a good analysis from a comedic standpoint.
	I agree that you're right.
	Yeah.
	He was nailing his lines, his timing was good, so he looks like a comic.
	He was doing comedic material that I'm absolutely sure was written for him, which is not an unusual thing.
	I mean, you can get writers, comic writers, which are available, especially in certain areas like San Francisco, there's dozens of them.
	And you can, typically, I've worked with them.
	I've worked with comedy writers for material, because I did a stand-up thing once for a presentation, and I can just have somebody write it for me.
	But the way you do it is you sit down or you get on the phone, sit down, depends.
	And you work with usually about four or five guys if you want to develop, say, a half an hour of material.
	And you sit there and these guys are unbelievable.
	They just rattle.
	You'd say, what do you want to talk about?
	I want to talk about ABC. Oh, ABC is like da-da-da.
	And they start throwing jokes out about ABC. Yeah, they're good.
	And then you buy the jokes.
	If anyone wants to do this, you'll learn this how you do it.
	You buy the jokes on the fly as the guy's going.
	And I like that one.
	I like that one.
	You write the punchlines down.
	It's going on and on and on.
	You say, what else?
	We're talking about cars.
	Last time I drove a car, I was blah, blah, blah.
	Oh, I can use that.
	I can use that.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I use that.
	What do you think the typical car...
	Do you pay per joke?
	Ten bucks a joke.
	That's it?
	Yeah, pretty much.
	I don't know that the price has ever gone up.
	Ten bucks a joke?
	Yeah.
	It might go as high as 20 with a superstar, but no, these guys are 10 bucks a joke because all they have is jokes.
	They have millions of them.
	They dream them up on the fly.
	They make a couple hundred bucks in an hour.
	Okay.
	Now, it's 10 bucks a joke.
	And when I was at Foothill College, when I first knew about this, I went to Foothill College.
	That's where I took broadcasting and some other important courses to my life, and I went back to Berkeley.
	Yeah.
	broadcasting course that we had all these guys are all like semi pros already.
	And this guy explained it to me.
	He used to write jokes for Phyllis Diller, this kid in college.
	And the price then was 10 bucks a joke.
	Wow.
	And I'm thinking, does the price of these jokes ever go up?
	Apparently not.
	But anyway, so you sit down and you do the joke, you write the jokes down, you buy maybe 50, 10 bucks a joke, you buy maybe 10, 20 jokes, and you give them a check for a couple hundred bucks.
	And then you go to the next guy, and he'll give you a different, and his jokes will be a little different, because every joke writer has got kind of a twisted way of looking at the same thing.
	And so you can, if you take three joke writers and you vary the material, sometimes you'll buy a joke that It supersedes the joke you already paid $10 for, which is, you know, ah, shit, I lost $10 on that deal.
	And you mix the gags together, and if you have any sort of timing where you can actually tell a joke or a one-liner, and these guys, they tend to know you well enough after they write for you for a while to know that you can't deliver certain jokes.
	There's a lot of jokes.
	I'm not a professional comic, so I can't deliver a lot of material.
	If this were a clip, you'd get Clip of the Day.
	No one knows this.
	I've never heard of this.
	This is the price.
	Oh, yeah.
	This is fantastic.
	Of course, we know about writers and joke writers, but I didn't know this is a pool of guys and I'll take that one.
	Here's 10 bucks.
	That's Man.
	And it takes you a few days.
	You work with a guy for about an hour and a half, and you buy a bunch of jokes.
	And then you work with the next guy, and then the next guy.
	It depends on how many guys you want to work with.
	I mean, this is the way it works in the room.
	They don't pay ten bucks.
	They pay a lot of money to the guys that are writers for, like, Jimmy Fallon.
	They got, like, ten guys in the room.
	They're all throwing jokes out.
	Fallon is doing the exact same thing.
	He's not buying, but he's picking this one.
	I'll take that one.
	It's this one.
	And they know his style, so they can write to his style, which makes a big difference, because writing a general eye is just a one-liner.
	Anyone could do one-liner.
	Well, thinking logically, if someone's listening to this podcast and they laugh, that's a $10 laugh.
	Yeah, it's $10.
	Yeah.
	Just saying.
	Well, that means they should donate.
	That was my podcast.
	$10 for every laugh.
	We need to be funny.
	Wait until we get to the donation segment because this thing works.
	Ding.
	All right, let's go on to the final clip.
	Now that we know that Rubio, at least from my perspective, is buying material and delivering it well.
	Delivering on the goods, yes.
	Number three?
	Yeah, number three.
	After ripping into him on the debate stage.
	You're the only person on the stage that's ever been fined for hiring people to work on your projects illegally.
	You hired some workers from Poland.
	No, no, I'm the only one on the stage that's hired people.
	You haven't hired anybody.
	That was a good comeback.
	I thought it was good.
	Yes.
	And by the way, I've hired tens of thousands of people over my job.
	You've hired a thousand people from another company.
	You've had nothing but problems with your credit cards, etc.
	Ted Cruz chimed in, too.
	When I was leading the fight against the Gang of Eight amnesty bill, where was Donald?
	He was firing Dennis Rodman on Celebrity Apprentice.
	Prompting Dennis Rodman to tweet, Yes, Ted Cruz, Donald Trump did fire me on Celebrity Apprentice.
	He's about to fire your blank too.
	Cruz got under Trump's skin.
	Donald, relax.
	Go ahead.
	I'm relaxed.
	You're the best in case.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Don't get nervous.
	Go ahead.
	I promise you, Donald.
	There's nothing about you that makes anyone nervous.
	But tonight it's clear the race is now a battle between Donald Trump and a newly aggressive Marco Rubio.
	It's time to pull his mask off so that people can see what we are dealing with here.
	Hey, I hear that lady in the crowd again.
	It sounded like that screamer way in the background.
	It probably was.
	It was just Mike.
	So that people can see what we are dealing with here.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What we are dealing with here, my friends, is a con artist.
	The whiplash today.
	John Carl with us live tonight from Texas.
	And John, you heard what we said at the top here.
	A lot of people asking tonight, where were these attacks months ago?
	Is the 11th hour right before Super Tuesday too late?
	That's one of the biggest questions of this entire campaign.
	For months and months, Marco Rubio didn't lay a glove on Donald Trump while he built up a titanium strong core of support.
	With Super Tuesday four days away, David, it may just be too late.
	All right, John Carl in Fort Worth, Texas tonight.
	John, thanks.
	Now, the thing they did leave out, which you almost hear the beginning of it, is...
	Dr.
	Ben Carson saying, you just hear it.
	He said, my name is Ben Carson.
	Can someone attack me, please?
	Can someone attack me, please?
	Yeah, I heard that.
	That was funny.
	That's pretty funny.
	I have a suggestion because you've got the three pieces of ABC. Why don't we take a little break and then we'll come back and do a few more things because I want to keep the show moving on time, kind of.
	Yes.
	And with that, I want to thank you very much for your courage and passion, love and light, and say in the morning to you, John C, where the C stands for comedy for $10, Dvorak!
	And I want to thank, or say in the morning to you, or what am I supposed to be doing?
	Is it in the morning?
	Yeah, feets in the air.
	In the morning?
	Mm-hmm.
	Say in the morning to boots on the ground.
	Oh, and say, okay.
	I want to say in the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	Also in the morning, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, all the dames and knights out there.
	Is that what I'm supposed to say?
	That's what you're supposed to say.
	And I'll say in the morning to chat room, no agenda stream.com, subs in the water, yes.
	And in the morning to Bohemian Groove, the artist who supplied us with the artwork for episode 802.
	That was a nice piece.
	What was it again?
	I don't know.
	Well, the title was Warehouse of Souls and the artwork I'm looking at.
	Oh, it was, yes, it was the Obama-Putin handshake.
	With Putin looking at his right hand because it was a callback to that.
	Reference, yes.
	What Boy Scouts do.
	That was a good one.
	Yeah, I liked it because it was so obscure.
	It was.
	We appreciate the art.
	Also, to add a little insult to injury, Obama was flipping him off too with the other hand.
	There you go.
	Noagendaartgenerator.com is where you can submit the art, where anyone can go and look at art.
	These are open source pieces.
	You can use them for fun stuff to promote the show.
	John used them in the newsletter.
	You can just look through it and just laugh your ass off.
	Someone's just funny.
	Really funny.
	Some is very rude.
	So rude.
	All right.
	We do have some people to thank for today's show, say, 803.
	Mm-hmm.
	We have one executive producer and three associate executive producers, starting with Greg Davis.
	He's right there in Austin, Texas.
	You must know him.
	Have I met Greg?
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	He's got karma.
	Wow.
	Whoa, those two hurt my ears going together.
	So I got another book from hollowbooks.com.
	Yeah.
	Sir Jimmy, what did you get?
	What did he send you?
	Sir Jimmy.
	What did he send you?
	You know, I don't have it here, but it's a classic kind of a book you want for a hollow book.
	It's a book like no one would ever pull off the shelf.
	Some dog.
	Yeah, like, I don't want to read that.
	Yeah, so if you're going down a bookshelf and you look and it's got the dust cover on it, you'd see this book and you'd say, this book doesn't interest me.
	And you'd just keep going down.
	Yeah, you don't look at it.
	Which, unfortunately, I'm going to still send him a box of the Dvorak on OS2 book, which I have around some.
	Do you have a hardcover?
	Do you have a hardcover?
	Do you have a hardcover of that?
	No, it's not hard.
	This is softcover.
	This is the one that has the little gold emblem embossed that says instant bestseller.
	No, that's the Dvorak telecommunications book.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Instant bestseller.
	What does that even mean?
	I don't know.
	It's your book.
	That's what they put on there.
	Nice fabric.
	I'm going to put my picture on the cover.
	I don't want my picture on the cover.
	No, it's going to sell more books.
	I don't think so.
	These guys, you know, just bad business.
	James C. Reeves, meanwhile, is doing good business.
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	You've got karma.
	We have a little baby cry, and we can make that one of our normal things that we can...
	Okay.
	I don't have one.
	Yeah, I think it'd be cool.
	Really?
	How cool will it be, John?
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	How about this one?
	Mark Pledger, or Plager.
	I don't have it.
	I don't know.
	I don't think we have a baby.
	You need that scream.
	Oh, that's a good one.
	You mean, which one?
	The calm down scream?
	No, the big one.
	The whopper.
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	The Wilhelm screen.
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	I missed the show 800 celebration and I almost forgot that my home birthday was today.
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	He says he caught the late note.
	I had to send a second note out because it's first.
	Yeah, no.
	And he says, good luck.
	That's all he says.
	Give him some karma for coming in.
	Of course.
	I also want to know.
	Hold on.
	I'll ask you in a second.
	You've got karma.
	This is the second time this has happened.
	What is going on?
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	Tina received them.
	I don't know who didn't.
	You didn't.
	You're not receiving them, and you have other measures that you think it's not being received as large as it should be.
	The whole thing was sketchy, so I sent out a second text note.
	I just sent out text notes.
	I'm not sure.
	I'll have a report shortly.
	I didn't do enough work on the first screw-up to have anything to say.
	That's all we got anyway for show 803.
	It's kind of drifting downward as usual.
	There's nothing to celebrate.
	I do have two meetups to mention, and I've got to start a rule now.
	So there's a meetup site.
	It's meetup.com slash noagenda.
	Yeah, it's terrible.
	It may be terrible, but it does seem to work.
	So meetup.com slash noagenda.
	But what people are doing is they're registering and saying, okay, I'm organizing a meetup.
	There's one meetup.
	Then there's this whole list.
	Oh, you have to promote this, promote that.
	No, no, no.
	I'll promote noagenda.com slash meetup.
	Otherwise, we'll just be getting these requests for meetups and a lot of them won't happen.
	I think we have to set some ground rules for that, don't you think?
	Yes, obviously.
	I would suggest...
	That once you get 10 people that say they're going to go to the meetup, we can mention it on the show.
	But I looked at that list, and it's just like 2-1.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And it's a huge list.
	All of a sudden, there's a meetup every place in the country.
	Right.
	So I can keep saying, please promote the meetup in San Francisco.
	Well, no.
	Somebody said that to me, too.
	I said, where is it?
	What's the deal?
	Well, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	You're not promoting this meetup.
	I said, what meetup?
	I don't know where it is.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	So, important is to promote meetup.com slash noagenda.
	When we get closer to dates, I'm happy to, of course, if you've got 10 people, I'm happy to promote that.
	So now I have March 6th, Atlanta meetup.
	March 19th, North Carolina meetup.
	But really, just go to meetup.com slash noagenda and self-organize.
	And take pictures and promote and let me know what's going on.
	Yes, take pictures and we'll read.
	Otherwise, it just gets kind of tedious.
	You know, just like, yeah, meetup.
	No, I still am going to do the train museum meetup.
	And I've decided now that the way to do it is we'll all take the Zephyr.
	We won't take the Coastals or any of these other trains.
	We'll take the Zephyr, which I believe stops in Sacramento.
	And it stops along the way here.
	I don't know if it stops in Berkeley, but I think it stops in Emeryville.
	I can go there.
	And you get on the Zephyr, and off you go to Sacramento on the Zephyr.
	And then you get off, and you know how many people go?
	I think you get 10, 20 people.
	We had no donations at the meetup that were associate or exec level.
	We'll, of course, be discussing that later on.
	But I did receive two bottles of alcohol that I wanted to discuss.
	Okay.
	And coincidentally or not, one was...
	Actually, three things I want to discuss.
	One was from the Subs Under the Water dude named Ben, and one was from the Subs Under the Water dude named Jim.
	So, what Ben gave me is a bottle of Cultura.
	Are you familiar with this?
	No, no.
	From the Meek Family Estate Vineyard?
	Yakima Valley?
	Yakima.
	Yakima, yeah.
	Kairos, K-A-I-R-O-S.
	Apparently this is A-I-R-O-S.
	But it's Kultura wine, C-U-L-T-U-R-A, Kultura wine. Apparently this is really good.
	C-U-L-T-U-R-A. C-U-L-T-U-R-A.
	What sounds familiar?
	Apparently it's like $100 a bottle.
	Well, there's lots of $100 a bottle of wines.
	But the story behind it is, the guy used to be an NSA agent, was listening to us from like episode 2 or 3, and he retired and he started a vineyard.
	So it's kind of from him as well.
	Well, that should be cheap for us.
	We should get a discount.
	Well, we got it for free.
	Oh, let's see better, yeah.
	Never mind.
	We like that the NSA retired.
	What kind of wine was it?
	Was it Cabernet or something?
	I'm looking at the bottle right here.
	Well, that's interesting.
	Let's see.
	Wine this elegant can only be achieved by hand-crafting the entire process, from vine to barrel to bottle.
	Small batch.
	Our wines reflect the best of Yakima Valley terroir?
	Yeah, terroir.
	Where world-class growing conditions and our selective approach contribute to the uniqueness of the wines we craft.
	But it doesn't say what it is.
	It's just a bottle of vague wine?
	It's red.
	Does it say red?
	Well, I can...
	The bottle...
	Does it have a name?
	Does it have a name?
	Couture is the name of the wine.
	Couture is the name of the label here.
	On the front of the label, 2012, Kairos, K-A-I-R-O-S, Meek Family Estate Vineyard, Yakima Valley.
	It doesn't say anything...
	Kairos is probably the branded name of the blend.
	But there's no mention of what the blend consists of?
	No, sir.
	Fascinating.
	Now, it's funny about that.
	Just as an aside, since I have this clip, I have no real reason to play it.
	But since you said terroir, which is very difficult to pronounce.
	T-E-R-R-O-I-R, terroir.
	Yeah, it means the...
	The earth.
	Yeah, but it's a French term for a specific...
	It really means something to the French.
	It means that this plot has characteristics in and of itself with or without the vines.
	When vines are planted there, they take on these characteristics and in the bottle of the wine it will have this to the point where some people can identify a wine blindly.
	Like say, oh, that's Chateau such and such because it always tastes Because you could taste the qualities of the earth or the grape?
	It's vague.
	The definition is vague, but what you said is part of it.
	So I'm...
	The difficulty...
	Now, you'd think that would be...
	Difficult to pronounce for Americans, but words like terror.
	Terror.
	Terrorism and terror and terror and terror.
	You'd think you'd be able to pronounce that.
	Let's listen to Charlie Rose on the morning show trying to pronounce this word.
	He's actually had real promising potential.
	The next president will inherit the challenge of protecting Americans from terror while safeguarding privacy.
	Terror!
	Terror!
	This is good.
	He writes, attention is on display in the FBI's standoff with Apple over the San Bernardino's terrorist iPhone.
	A powerful intelligence insider is weighing in.
	Retired General Major Michael Hayden says Apple is right in principle, but the government has a point.
	Hayden created and oversaw controversial programs designed to keep Americans safe.
	He was director of the National Security Agency, And director of the CIA. He is now telling his side of the story in a new book.
	It is called Playing to the Edge, American Intelligence in the Age of Terror.
	So Hayden, good morning.
	Good morning.
	So let's look at the FBI story, make sure we understand exactly what you think.
	I like it.
	Tell me about the sexuality.
	It's in your DNA. Wow, it's a hard word.
	The guy's working himself to death.
	He looks like crap.
	He's on the morning show and he's doing all this other stuff.
	He does three or four or five things now.
	He's making more money than he's ever made, obviously, but he's going to die in the saddle.
	We'll come back to Charlie.
	I just want to finish these two more bits here from the meetup.
	Then from Submariner Jim, I got a bottle of Lead Slinger's Bourbon Whiskey.
	I don't know.
	Focused on bringing a quality bourbon whiskey to freedom-loving, like-minded individuals.
	Stay frosty and freedom on!
	Let me test it.
	That's got to be the worst stuff ever.
	Let me test it right now.
	Hold on.
	It's very smooth.
	It's actually very nice, John.
	Really?
	It's actually good?
	Yeah.
	I see all those gimmicks and stuff, especially these bullcrap stories.
	It is good.
	It's very suspicious.
	So we had a dinner the other night, and Jesse, JC's wife...
	Who now works as a chocolate maker in a chocolate company somewhere in the city.
	A famous one too.
	I'm glad that college degree is paying off.
	Oh yeah.
	So she's in this chocolate place making chocolate.
	Like Lucio Ball.
	Well, they actually make it from the raw material.
	They're talking about the front end of the chocolate making, where you actually make chocolate from chocolate beans.
	And so she brings a bar every time we have dinner with different types and she brings this one in and she gives this cock and bull story about it was from an area where they have these endangered thrushes and it's just a long, long story.
	And I happen to know that the millennials...
	For some reason, they have been sold a bill of goods, or somebody sold a bill of goods, or they actually do respond to this.
	They will not buy a product unless there's a story associated with it.
	This is discussed in ad age and advertising.
	Oh, sure.
	Whole Foods is filled with products like this.
	When my grandmother died...
	That's where we get the small batch.
	Yes, we found her recipe for lemonade.
	This is tasty stuff, John.
	This is tasty.
	Well, don't...
	Hey, hey, hey.
	Don't drink any more of it, please.
	We know you.
	Alright, can I finish?
	Have Tina drink it, you know, that'd be funny.
	She's not a whiskey girl.
	She doesn't like whiskey that much.
	She might be a scotch girl.
	Nope.
	All women like some sort of hard liquor.
	Oh, vodka.
	She's a vodka girl.
	Oh, vodka.
	Oh yeah, she's vodka, man.
	Oh yeah.
	Well, then tell her, you gotta get, okay, well, I get some tips for her.
	Anyway.
	Then I received...
	Anyway, let me finish.
	So she's going on with this story about the chocolate's made for this, and the money goes there, and it's a big, just one of these stories.
	Every product's gotta have this stupid story.
	And JC, by the way, straightened me out when I went after her on this.
	I said, this is bullcrap.
	There's no proof that this story's true.
	It's me at the dinner table.
	And she's all offended.
	The Dvorak household.
	You're a reality show, man.
	It's like, wow.
	And JC said, no, no, the way you do it, he says, that doesn't work.
	He says, you're not going to get anywhere with the millennials just condemning them for these stories.
	He says, you just say, and he's good at this stuff.
	He says, keep it simple.
	And you just go, so what's that got to do with the chocolate?
	And that's all you do.
	And did he say that to his wife?
	No, he said that to me, to say to her.
	I was going to say.
	And then he won't say anything to her, just knock him silly.
	And so I said, so what's it got to do with the chocolate?
	And that's kind of changed the whole tenor.
	I also received a sampler, and then both you and I are to receive a huge bottle of Cavender's All-Purpose Greek Seasoning.
	Which apparently is a big deal, this stuff.
	A tantalizing taste treat.
	We used to use Cavendish in the Dvorak houses.
	And until we owned a spice shop.
	And then we started getting Greek seasoning from Mountain High or one of these spice blenders in Colorado.
	Which was a tenth the price and just is pretty much the same product.
	But yeah, Cavendish is outrageous.
	You can use it on everything.
	Let's see.
	Cavaner seasoning is distinctive in the foods today as it was when...
	As today as those prepared for the feasts of the ancient Greeks.
	Mmm.
	Ah!
	It's history in a can.
	Nice.
	Oh, bullcrap.
	And one of our producers, his partner, she, it's called Mindy's Fabrications, F-A-B-R-I hyphen K-A-T-I-O-N-S. Then she makes fabric, stuff out of fabric, and she made for Tina a beautiful tote bag.
	Nice.
	And I brought it home, and Tina's like...
	That's beautiful.
	I'm going to use that.
	Very nice.
	It doesn't have a website, but I think Facebook page, Mindy's Fabrications.
	And we'll thank the producers who donated.
	We'll have a couple notes.
	We'll do that during our full-on segment.
	I think that's it.
	Except for we need everyone to remember that we do have a show coming up on Thursday, and we need all the help we can get, obviously, so please remember us at...
	Dvorak.org slash NA. And if you're doing a meetup, or if you're anywhere near other possible people who could donate, propagate the formula!
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Hey, citizens.
	Shut up, slave!
	Shut up, slave!
	So, on our drive up, Tina's reading me stuff.
	She's on the iPad and we're chatting about it.
	She says, oh, did you read this thing about Land's End?
	And...
	Gloria Steinem.
	I said, no, no, no, tell me about it.
	So she's reading this story, and the story, I'm paraphrasing, goes kind of as follows.
	Bland's End was a very famous clothing, a catalog clothing company in the United States.
	They've been around for 100 years, I mean, for a long time.
	In their latest catalog, the print catalog, and I presume online, they had an interview with Gloria Steinem.
	And Gloria Steinem, you know, she's a feminist, but recently, of course, she was called out because she was a surrogate promoting Hillary, but she said something, ah, you want to be where the boys are over at Bernie, and she had to apologize for that.
	But when I heard this story, I'm like, tell me a little bit more about it.
	And the story goes that their Facebook page was flooded with people very angry about this interview with Gloria Steinem because she's pro-choice and supposedly all of the Lands End customers were flooding the Facebook page because they hate Gloria Steinem and they don't like abortion.
	Very bad form to do what they did.
	But first, I'll say, this is a hit job.
	I believe the Facebook flooding with Facebook, a hit job, and then it came back.
	The only network that paid any attention to this was ABC. Does ABC like Hillary?
	No, ABC was the Jeb Bush supporter.
	Exactly.
	So no one does the story except ABC. This morning, popular out-wearing clothing company lands end at its wits end.
	The retailer known for glossy catalogs like this one apologizing for what's inside the new spring issue.
	An interview with feminist, journalist, and political activist Gloria Steinem after customers flooded Facebook with outrage over Steinem's pro-abortion rights stamp.
	There's the flooded meme again.
	This was a hit job.
	This was placed.
	They took advantage of it, and they ran with it.
	Now that I think about it, as we analyze it, it may have been a good publicity stunt for Land's End.
	Most people do.
	Always, always good for that.
	Always, always.
	Nobody remembers them.
	Um...
	I know you have a couple clips that will tie into some of this other stuff, so let me just get something that was...
	I only saw this morning, so I think it just came out.
	Finally, we have a soundbite of the former president of Mexico, Vincente Fox.
	And this...
	Who was he?
	I think he was talking to...
	I have one, too.
	Which one's longer?
	I have Pooper.
	I have Pooper, and this just was released this morning.
	Was this Pooper talking about the guy from Univision?
	No, this is Pooper talking to the former president of Mexico.
	Oh, okay, I got the guy from Univision talking to him, so play Pooper.
	Okay, so Anderson Pooper, for those of you who haven't followed it, the former president of Mexico on Thursday said, Donald Trump, fuck him in his wall.
	Which, of course, is fantastic.
	For Trump, the minute you get a former world leader talking about you, and you're not even really a leader or anything, just a guy running, I think that was a nice gift.
	But Fox took it a lot further in this pooper interview.
	President Fox, Donald Trump is essentially doubling down, saying that he'd make Mexico pay for the wall.
	Okay, hold on a second.
	Stop that clip.
	It'd probably be better to play him in order then.
	Okay.
	So let's play my clip.
	This is the original clip.
	This is the one with the Univision guy, that troublemaker that showed up, but that keeps showing up.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	And got kicked out once, and so he's got a grudge against Trump.
	And I think we should point out, the owner of Univision has donated over $10 million to Hillary's campaign.
	It is kind of odd that you have the owner of media...
	You know, how can you be objective if you do that?
	Well, there's another clip I have here which indicates it's actually worse than that.
	Flynn's doing a pretty good job of this kind of sly, tricky stuff.
	Not dirty tricks, just tricks.
	But this is the guy, this is the character of Jorge, whatever his name is.
	Vincente.
	No, the interviewer.
	Oh, yeah, Jorge from Univision.
	Yeah, sorry.
	And so he comes and here's the clip that started it all.
	Fox spoke out in an interview with Univision and Fusion host Jorge Ramos about Trump's repeated calls to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border, which Trump says he would make Mexico pay for.
	I declare I'm not going to pay for that.
	Well, he should pay for it.
	He's got the money.
	Are you afraid that he's going to be the next president of the United States?
	What would that mean?
	No, no, no.
	Democracy cannot take us crazy people that doesn't know what's going on in the world today.
	Okay.
	Crazy people.
	Two things.
	Vicente gets as crazy as they come, so I don't know what he's talking about.
	But the main thing that got to me was him saying, no, I am not going to pay for that wall as if he's running the country.
	I know.
	Yeah.
	Well, it gets...
	He's not.
	He's out.
	The whole Mexico is so corrupt that he probably still is connected enough to be able to say that.
	Well, you will love this interview with Pooper because he takes it to an extreme on all ends of the spectrum.
	Right.
	President Fox, Donald Trump is essentially doubling down, saying that he'd make Mexico pay for the wall and that it's now going to be higher.
	Regardless of what you or any current or former president of Mexico says, what's your response?
	Well, my response is that he's mistaken.
	Interesting about this clip, the telephone has this bloop that hits every 5 or 10 seconds, which, I mean, that's from telephone exchanges from 1935.
	What is bloop when you're calling long distance to Mexico?
	Yeah, I think it's because they're using a telephone exchange from 1935.
	Yes, that's it!
	Or any current or former president of Mexico says, what's your response?
	Well, my response is that he's mistaken.
	He's taking the wrong route.
	There are more Mexicans coming back than Mexicans going into United States.
	How does he know?
	Is this true?
	There are more leaving America than going in?
	There's a lot of numbers that indicate this.
	We have a negative immigration deficit.
	Because Mexican economy has been improving and because they see the opportunities here now.
	When he claims that the Mexican government is behind the flow of undocumented workers coming into this country, he hasn't provided any evidence of that, but he says he believes that and that smart people know that.
	That is an absolute lie.
	He doesn't have any proof on that.
	I was president of Mexico.
	I know other presidents of Mexico.
	And we have always been working hard, doing our very best to build up the opportunities for our people.
	We need them here.
	We don't need them in the United States.
	Last night, as you know, Donald Trump again called for you to apologize for using the F-word, saying you should be ashamed.
	Any chance you've decided to accept that request?
	I will plead to him no apologies.
	I demand, as Joe Biden, Vice President of the United States...
	Now, hold on a second.
	If you've been...
	Joe Biden has been around for decades.
	And Vicente Fox doesn't know how to pronounce his name?
	He says Joe Beedon?
	Joe Beedon.
	Is he reading a script?
	I don't think so.
	He can't say United States either.
	He says United States.
	But that's okay.
	But he can say Biden.
	Aye, aye, aye, aye.
	I am Joe Biden.
	Come on.
	I find it odd.
	Let me put it that way.
	I apologize for using the F word saying you should be ashamed.
	Any chance you've decided to accept that request?
	I will bid to him, no apologies.
	I demand as Joe Biden, Vice President of the United States, came to Mexico and said it's a shame that we have guys like him.
	Speaking the language that he speaks.
	He has offended Mexico, Mexicans, migrants.
	He has offended the Pope.
	He has offended the Chinese.
	He has offended everybody.
	He says he's going to bring back America to what it was.
	That's crazy.
	Never, never before America, United States was so big.
	So strong, so powerful, so successful, as it is today.
	He's going to take that nation back to the old days of conflict, war, and everything.
	Wait a minute.
	So he says, America is doing great.
	Trump wants to take the country back to the time of conflict and war.
	Are we not in conflict and war as we speak?
	and here it comes. - Complete war and everything.
	It's a, I mean, he remembers me of Hitler.
	That's the way he started speaking. - You're really saying he reminds you of Adolf Hitler?
	I tell you, he reminds me of Hitler, because we just have to see the sweet talking that Hitler had at the beginning.
	And if it is, it's going to use the executive power.
	He gets a little unintelligible there, but...
	So he's pulling the Hitler meme.
	Pooper was having a wonderful time with this.
	Of course, he loves it.
	Really?
	Did you say Hitler?
	Adolf Hitler.
	Could you say that again?
	Could you say Hitler again?
	I don't think we got the soundbite.
	Do you mind just saying it one more time?
	That's the way she started with speaking.
	You mean Adolf Hitler?
	Adolf Hitler?
	You're saying he reminds you of Adolf Hitler?
	Adolf Hitler?
	You mean Adolf?
	Instead of like Peter Hitler?
	Joe Hitler.
	Joe Hitler.
	You don't mean Joe Hitler, do you?
	Surely you mean Adolf, like the horrible guy, right?
	It's not Joe, no.
	Adolf Hitler?
	I tell you that, he reminds me of Hitler.
	Hitler!
	He reminds me of Hitler.
	Now, on this tip, this has not been publicized, but the CSU, California State University, Published in their...
	There's one.
	There is no California State University.
	Okay, hold on.
	Fresno.
	Okay.
	You have to do a search for this just to see it.
	They published their...
	The Collegian, which is a student newspaper.
	This is two weeks ago.
	I've seen this.
	I've already seen this.
	But it's really being kept very quiet.
	And it's Trump.
	I didn't think so.
	It was over a week ago when they ran that.
	I hadn't seen it yet.
	It had a blip.
	I remember seeing it.
	Did you read it?
	No.
	A few quotes from the editor.
	So the front page of this newspaper says, See Kyle!
	There's a picture of Trump.
	And then the subtext, Living Nazi Germany in Trump's America.
	And here it is.
	Here it is.
	Donald Trump is going to get us all killed.
	Trump's America is the Fourth Reich.
	The hardcore racist and fascist people supporting Trump don't want to kick out Muslims and undocumented Mexicans.
	They want to murder them.
	These people that normally keep their backward racism under the rock in which they live are voted to be openly racist.
	Trump gladly brings the racism and xenophobia out of people as any good fascist would.
	If we let them elect Trump, there will be lynchings.
	Trump represents the rise of a new Hitler and is capable of the same atrocities.
	It's like we're in the 1930s on a runaway train barreling toward World War III. So get off your lazy asses and do something about it, you hipsters!
	And then in the editorial there's also Photoshop.
	I said that?
	Yes.
	It said, get off your lazy asses, hipsters?
	Yeah, the article ends here.
	Get off your lazy asses and do something about it, you hipsters.
	And then they have another picture of Trump photoshopped on the White House lawn doing a Nazi salute like Hitler.
	Oh, God.
	Stood newspapers.
	Yeah.
	Great.
	Well, it's just the same thing, the same level of discourse on democracy now.
	But let me ask you, let me just talk about this for one second.
	Hitler's rise, was that not facilitated by the type of parliamentary system Germany was using at the time?
	The...
	Is it that simple to think that, let's say Donald Trump is the new Hitler, and when that, I don't mean Joe Hitler, Adolf Hitler.
	I don't believe our republic system really allows for him to become that.
	Well, this is true.
	The way the Reichstag worked, and it's a very different system, so it's kind of specious.
	Yeah, they had a chancellor, and they have all these other kinds of things.
	They still do.
	They still have a chancellor.
	It's a very specious argument.
	Eh, it's just kids.
	But it reminds me again, here, play this obscure piece of information.
	I just wonder, whenever Hitler comes up, the answer is...
	Ah, kids.
	Kids.
	Don't you?
	You love them and you can't kill them.
	Play the David Duke clip.
	Meanwhile, white nationalist and former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke is using his radio program to urge listeners to support Donald Trump, saying Wednesday, quote, voting against Donald Trump at this point is really treason to your heritage, end quote.
	David Duke went on to encourage listeners to go to Trump's headquarters to volunteer, saying, quote, go in there.
	You're going to meet people who are going to have the same kind of mindset that you have, Duke said.
	David Duke, of course, also lives here.
	He lives in Austin?
	I'm not in Austin.
	Fayetteville?
	No, doesn't he live outside Fayetteville?
	I don't know where he lives.
	I thought he lived in Louisiana.
	I may be wrong.
	Yeah, so they brought that up.
	So, David Duke, I mean, this is like, this is a guilt by association.
	They love doing this stuff on Democracy Now!
	I mean, they hate it.
	Oh, stereotypes are bad.
	They have all these liberal concepts, and then at the same time, they pull the stuff out constantly as if nobody's noticing.
	And you probably saw the video of Trump staring down the guy in the KKK shirt.
	No, actually.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, there was a guy who was standing there with a KKK shirt.
	Everyone's yelling at him to get out.
	And then Trump walks around, you know, he kind of inflates his chest and he goes over and he stares the guy down and he walks back and he says, yeah, it's incredible.
	These days you can't just do what we used to, just kick this guy out.
	Well, he said a couple of things in one of his speeches where he said, I'd like to punch the guy.
	guy yeah so i like to punch the guy so all the liberal media gets all bit out oh he talks about violence he said he'd punch him here's a here's a more you can't say you're gonna punch so you want you want to punch someone if you say you're gonna want to punch him here's a somewhat tepid response uh about He was cornered about this again.
	Again, a good response.
	I want to ask you about the Anti-Defamation League, which this week called on you to publicly condemn unequivocally the racism of former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke, who recently said that voting against you at this point would be treason to your heritage.
	Will you unequivocally condemn David Duke and say that you don't want his vote or that of other white supremacists in this election?
	Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke, okay?
	I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists.
	So I don't know.
	I mean, I don't know.
	Did he endorse me or what's going on?
	Because, you know, I know nothing about David Duke.
	I know nothing about white supremacists.
	So he's saying it twice, again, those lovely cadences.
	Well, you're asking me a question that I'm supposed to be talking about people that I know nothing about.
	But I guess the question from the Anti-Defamation League is, even if you don't know about their endorsement, there are these groups and individuals endorsing you, would you just say, unequivocally, you condemn them and you don't want their support?
	Well, I have to look at the group.
	I mean, I don't know what group you're talking about.
	You wouldn't want me to condemn a group that I know nothing about.
	I have to look.
	If you would send me a list of the groups, I will do research on them, and certainly I would disavow if I thought there was something wrong.
	But you may have groups in there that are totally fine, and it would be very unfair.
	So give me a list of the groups, and I'll let you know.
	Okay.
	I mean, I'm just talking about David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan here, but...
	Honestly, I don't know David Duke.
	I don't believe I've ever met him.
	I'm pretty sure I didn't meet him, and I just don't know anything about him.
	Fantastic.
	He didn't disavow anything.
	He's actually being honest about it.
	Yes.
	Like Obama.
	You know, when they had that, somebody ginned up some phony baloney thing about some poor woman administrator in the Department of Agriculture someplace, and he fires her.
	Yeah.
	Based on a Breitbart clip.
	You're fired.
	What did I do?
	There was an interesting question that came up during the White House briefing.
	I don't know who asked the question, but it was, you know, the spokeshole...
	What's his face?
	Josh Earnest.
	The answer was even more surprising because someone was on the wrong script.
	And then it was so apparent that no one...
	It just goes by and like, wow, no one's noticing this?
	Thanks, Josh.
	You mentioned in your slight presentation that...
	Unemployment falling below 5% is one of the administration's main economic accomplishments.
	But Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has made it a frequent campaign trail talking point that the real unemployment rate is above 10% because of labor force dropouts.
	Does the White House agree with that economic theory that real unemployment is above or above 10%?
	And if yes, do you bear any responsibility for the state of Real unemployment and the number of labor force dropouts.
	Okay.
	So, if it was hard to hear, I'd be saying a frequent talking point of Bernie Sanders and the Bernie Sanders campaign is that the number of 5% unemployment is bogus and because the participation rate is probably higher around 10%.
	John, you've been talking about this for, what, five years?
	Yeah.
	At least five years.
	Five years at least.
	Ever since the economy collapsed in 2008.
	So, again, the question is...
	The Bernie Sanders campaign keeps saying this.
	They keep saying that this is low participation rate and that's why the number is bogus.
	It's higher.
	It's probably double that according to the Bernie Sanders campaign.
	Here's the answer.
	Byron, I think the point is simply this.
	We've made a lot of important progress.
	In the last seven years.
	And part of that progress can be measured by the way that the unemployment rate has been cut by more than half from its high of around 10% to now below 5%.
	That is undeniable progress that some Republicans will continue to deny.
	Wait a minute.
	Why does he say Republicans?
	The question was, Bernie Sanders camp.
	Then he says, some Republicans will deny this.
	That is undeniable progress that some Republicans will continue to deny.
	Wait for it, does it again?
	What's also true, and I think this is the point that Senator Sanders is making, is that...
	We can't let up.
	We need to continue to be focused on making sure that we're expanding economic opportunity for the middle class.
	So he just turned it around and he said, I think the point Senator Sanders is making is not that your numbers are full of crap, but we really need to keep going.
	...that we're expanding economic opportunity for the middle class and that we're making the kinds of investments that are going to benefit future generations of American workers.
	And again, unfortunately...
	Well, and so that means...
	Did you hear?
	He was about to say it.
	He caught himself, but then he does it anyway.
	As the president has said, doing things like raising the minimum wage and investing in early childhood education and offering two years of community college education to students that are willing to work hard for it.
	Unfortunately, Republicans...
	While some recognize that more work needs to be done, have exactly the wrong prescription.
	They actually want to go back to the policies that led to the Great Recession in the first place.
	It's about Bernie Sanders!
	They just want to go back to cutting taxes for the wealthy and for wealthy corporations.
	It doesn't make any sense.
	And it certainly is a vision that is not consistent with what President Obama has fought for for the last seven years.
	And it's not consistent with the kind of vision that's being articulated by Democrats on the campaign trail.
	Well done!
	Well done, Ernest!
	Not only did he say the Republicans are saying this, but he even said Bernie Sanders has the right idea with this comment.
	Mind-boggling.
	Mind-boggling.
	It's a house of lies.
	Well, I mean, talking about that sort of thing, this was the...
	I caught this little...
	I wondered why Democracy Now...
	Democracy Now really annoys me because they keep pulling this crap, and usually it's about climate change.
	But they have...
	They brought a little clip in there about Cruz and how he...
	You know those filmographers who did the Planned Parenthood undercover videos?
	Yes.
	They had a grand jury to see if these Planned Parenthood officers were criminals, and then they indict these two people.
	Right.
	Which means that that's what's the target to begin with, because that's the way grand juries work.
	So she decides to discuss this by pulling out a clip from the Kelly show, the Kelly file, about Cruz saying that he'd pardon them.
	Now, I think that the point of this clip is different altogether, and the real reason that she does this clip, I think will be obvious to you when you hear this clip.
	Meanwhile, Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz has said he would pardon David Daleiden, an anti-choice activist who was indicted by a Texas task force last month on charges stemming from the highly edited videos he shot undercover at Planned Parenthood.
	Cruz made the remarks in response to an audience member's question during a special edition of Fox News, The Kelly File, Wednesday night.
	Lay it out for me.
	Sorry?
	If there was something I was supposed to catch, I didn't.
	Yeah, you didn't.
	Because this is how good this is.
	Let me listen to it again.
	Allow me, don't tell me.
	Okay, but I'm just going to tell you that this meme has gotten to the point.
	This is what bothers me about these guys.
	They jump on these memes and they just ride them and ride them and ride them into the sunset until everyone's like, okay, yeah, that's right.
	Let me listen again.
	Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz has said he would pardon David Daleiden, an anti-choice activist who was indicted by a Texas task force last month on charges stemming from the highly edited videos he shot undercover at Planned Parenthood.
	Cruz made the remarks in response to an audience member's question during a special edition of Fox News, The Kelly File, Wednesday night.
	Anti-choice.
	Thank you.
	Highly edited.
	Oh, yeah, highly edited.
	Yeah, you're right.
	You know, I interviewed...
	And you did.
	You looked at all these old videos.
	They were not highly edited.
	You know, I spoke to a Planned Parenthood person on the corner the other day.
	I mean, I recorded it.
	Oh, good.
	But I haven't edited it yet.
	Let's do more of this, by the way.
	But I haven't edited it yet, and I learned quite a bit about what they're doing on the streets and who they're really working for.
	Because they're not raising money for Planned Parenthood.
	They're raising money for the lobbying arm of Planned Parenthood.
	And I said, I don't do that.
	I don't give money to lobbying groups.
	I'll edit it and we'll have it on Thursday.
	Make it highly edited.
	Highly edited.
	Yes, indeed.
	Indeed.
	Anyways, this should show over, but this is this stuff.
	How many more of these stupid things are we going to get?
	Well, what were we talking about?
	Well, we're talking, we went back to debates.
	Bernie Sanders?
	Oh, I have Al Sharpton.
	You've got to listen to this one.
	If Donald Trump is the nominee, I'm open to support anyone while I'm also reserving my ticket to get out of here if he wins.
	Only because he probably had me deported anyway.
	So, two things.
	One, you got it.
	There was the crazy laugh that really got me.
	So, you know, just write it down.
	Another person, we have to remind.
	If it happens, we'll have to remind them to go.
	And I don't know who this woman is, but...
	That's an ISO. It's an ISO. Yeah, I got it.
	I have an ISO for sure.
	Okay, now, on to something else, please.
	Okay, well, let's go on to, uh...
	Eurolands?
	Okay, I'm good.
	I'm game.
	Euroland.
	Two interesting things involving Nigel Farage.
	We always love listening to Farage Farage speak.
	The first one, now, this is Nigel Farage.
	George Galloway, who was also a member of parliament in the UK, he has a show on RT called Sputnik or something.
	What is Galloway?
	Is he a commie?
	Is he a communist?
	What is his party?
	Yes, he's a commie.
	That's exactly right.
	Are you being facetious or is he a commie?
	He's a commie.
	He's a commie.
	So he has Nigel Farage on, and of course, what is fascinating to the commie, to Galloway, is he's agreeing with the Hitlerjugend Farage.
	Here they are sitting together and having a conversation about how they agree that the United Kingdom should leave the Eurozone.
	And I just picked one clip where they...
	It might just be interesting to listen to these two completely opposite sides coming together and agreeing on the situation in Europe.
	I'm with you, you and me, but who are we?
	Who else is involved and how are they organized?
	Well, we've got two sides to this.
	It's basically Goldman Sachs via the rest.
	Well, in some ways it is.
	That's a good line.
	It'd be good if we could picture it that way.
	So they're talking about who is funding staying in the European Union while these two guys are fighting against that.
	Well, it's the unholy alliance of big banks, multinational businesses, and big politics that is on one side of the argument.
	So you've got BSE, they've decided to call themselves.
	They should have thought about that, really, shouldn't they?
	So Britain's stronger in Europe.
	Do you know what the joke is here?
	About BSE? Yeah, so the group is called Britain Stronger in Europe.
	Yeah, BSE. Yeah, but BSE. Google BSE right now.
	I'll wait.
	The first five pages are all the same.
	Just BSE. Hang on.
	I've got to get a window open.
	I've got the spreadsheet open, but no window.
	And so I have to open Google, and there it is.
	Google.
	And I just type in BSE. And what comes up?
	Bovine encephalitis or something.
	Bombay Stock Exchange is the top.
	Bovine spongiform encephaly.
	Yeah, that's mad cow disease.
	Yeah, that's mad cow disease.
	They call their organization who wants to keep them in the EU. BSE. BSE. Very funny.
	You can't even...
	There's no Google juice for that.
	No SEO. Morons!
	They should have thought about that, really, shouldn't they?
	So Britain's stronger in Europe.
	That goes on.
	I know, absolutely.
	That's led by Lord Rose.
	And they used to run Marks and Spencers.
	Well, that went well.
	But quite...
	Quite.
	No, absolutely.
	Are we going to do as well as Martin Spenso?
	So he's running the official campaign.
	Then you've got the Labour Party, who are going to do their own thing.
	They're not going to join up with the official campaign.
	Alan Johnson will do his own thing on behalf of the Labour Party.
	Then, of course, you've got the SNP, who again...
	We'll do their own thing.
	So there are three distinct camps who are campaigning for us to stay in, but they're being funded by, yeah, Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan, the very people who I suspect many viewers of this show...
	Including the Labour campaign?
	Well, that we don't know yet.
	What we do know is that they're going to fund the BSE campaign.
	Labour are relying on trade unions to fund the campaign, but I've detected, particularly with TTIP, this transatlantic deal...
	It's the only way we can get out of TTIP is not to be in the European Union.
	This is a very important point that Galloway makes.
	If you don't like TTIP, get out of the European Union.
	Brilliant.
	Right.
	And I'm sensing that for the first time in nearly 40 years, the trade union movement are beginning to look at this European project in a slightly different light.
	So Labour may struggle for funding.
	But that's that side.
	And yes, it's backed, as I say, by big banks and the big multinationals.
	And the multinationals love Brussels because they actually get to set the rules themselves.
	So these guys are agreeing.
	Hell has frozen over.
	They agree.
	It's interesting to watch this.
	Faraj brought up a very important point in the Starfleet Command European Parliament when it was his turn to speak.
	And I don't think I've told you that there is a referendum coming up in the Netherlands about the Ukraine-NATO Association Agreement, EU Association Agreement.
	Either you...
	Somebody said something about it somewhere.
	And what's interesting about it, it's really this kind of group of...
	There was a blog called Gein Style.
	They were very politically incorrect.
	They've been around for a long time, now a decade.
	They somehow spun off into a public broadcaster, the way it works in the Netherlands, still with the public broadcasting system.
	If you have X amount of paying members, then you are entitled to X amount of airtime.
	And they not only achieved that, which is not a lot, it's equivalent to a day a week probably, but they also got the required amount of signatures to start a referendum by the constitutional laws of the Netherlands.
	And so now there is a real referendum started by some troublemakers, but this is not the only one.
	It's happening everywhere in Europe, and it's all about the failure of the European Union project, and Farage addressed this.
	Well, thank you.
	It's already rather exciting, isn't it?
	It's referendum season.
	And the referendum is coming on the 6th.
	You didn't say this clip, but is this him with Galloway?
	No, I said in the EU Parliament.
	I said that.
	Starfleet Command, EU Parliament.
	Okay.
	It's his turn to speak in EU Parliament.
	Well, thank you.
	It's already rather exciting, isn't it?
	It's referendum season.
	And the referendum is coming on the 6th of April in the Netherlands.
	Yeah!
	Where they're going to have a referendum on the Ukrainian deal and the opinion polls show they are going to reject it.
	And just today, Mr Orban has announced there is going to be a referendum in Hungary where they're going to have a referendum on whether they should be forced.
	To accept mandatory quotas for migrants after the grievous errors of the EU's common asylum policy, not to mention Mrs Merkel's pronouncements.
	And overnight we get a Czech Premier telling us that there is now demand building in the Czech Republic to have a referendum on membership.
	Oh, and I nearly forgot.
	There's going to be a British referendum on June the 23rd on whether we remain or leave the European Union.
	And this follows a 40-hour summit where Mr Cameron, doing his modern-day impression of Oliver Twist, went up to Mr Tusk and said, please, sir, can I have some more concessions?
	Well, he didn't get very much, did he?
	We're allowed to change ever so slightly migrant benefits for a short period of time and we're told that in future we won't be committed to ever closer union.
	And on the basis of all of that we're going to have a referendum that the Prime Minister says on a deal that is legally binding and indeed Mr Tusk Joined in with this today by saying the British deal was legally binding.
	To top that off, Mr Cameron has told us that he will lodge the deal, he will lodge the documents at the United Nations.
	But frankly, you might as well lodge an old pair of socks, because it's completely meaningless, the fact that you lodge a document there, you could use a safety deposit box.
	But is this deal legally binding, Mr Tusk?
	Well, the ECJ themselves said in 2008 that the obligations imposed by an international agreement cannot have the effect of prejudicing the constitutional principles of the EU treaties, which means the ECJ rule in favour of the existing treaties until we get a new treaty.
	He's talking about the Lisbon Treaty here, which was supposed to be the Constitution of Europe, and got voted down by the Netherlands and France, and then they said, oh, you didn't do it right, let's vote again.
	They want to do a new one.
	There's going to be a new treaty.
	Any new treaty would trigger yet more referendums and would not be favored, I think, by the big groups in this parliament.
	But, of course, we have an emergency break.
	That's being judged to be a great success.
	But, crucially, that happens through secondary legislation that can be voted on by this Parliament.
	So what happens?
	We have a referendum, we follow Mr Cameron, we vote to remain, and then we come back to this Parliament.
	Is this Parliament going to support British exceptionalism?
	And I think we've heard voices today that make it perfectly clear that that will not happen.
	So the deal, Mr Tusk and Mr Cameron, if you're listening, is not legally binding in any way at all.
	And I have to say the British public will decide which is our safest option.
	Is it safe?
	To stay within an organization whose own police boss tells us there are 3,000 to 5,000 terrorists that have now come into our continent through the migrant crisis, or is it safest to take back control of our own borders and our own democracy?
	After much consideration, I have decided to opt to vote for us to leave.
	There you go.
	Kind of explained the situation.
	Well, this is the most interesting thing of our era.
	Yeah.
	And the American public isn't quite as aware of it as they should be, but this is an outrageous situation that's developing.
	And you think about it, you know, you have a bunch of independent democracies and they join to do some sort of trade deal and then they very slowly, through a process of bureaucratization...
	Like boiling fog theory.
	Yes, running out of Brussels.
	But this has been going on since after the war with the European Atomic Energy Coalition, whatever it was called.
	And going on, right, ever since I've just been, it's a slow, and it's coordinated by the elites, and of course I have my theory as to why that is.
	Unelected elites, I might point out.
	Yes, unelected elites who have been trying to get this so we can get a Europe that is under their control and it's peaceful so they don't have their stuff stolen, which seems to happen over and over again in Europe.
	The elite stuff.
	The elite stuff.
	And so it doesn't work out and there's going to be a civil war as a result.
	And I don't even know how this thing, if the Brits voted to get out of the EU, that wouldn't trigger it right there.
	And if they stay in, it's going to happen anyway.
	I mean, this is a foregone conclusion.
	These people do not work well together.
	No.
	They just don't.
	Historically, it's not been a great idea.
	Yeah.
	Well, the Swiss, who are not even in the EU, they have their own referendum going on.
	It's the controversial black sheep poster urging Swiss voters to make it easier to deport non-Swiss petty criminals.
	The right-wing Swiss People's Party is behind a referendum taking place today.
	It's notoriously difficult to get Swiss citizenship, even for third-generation immigrants born in Switzerland.
	All foreigners and those who have lived here for over 30 years, foreigners who were born here in the second and third generation, they are all foreigners.
	A quarter of our population is submitted to a supplementary punishment which the rest of the population does not have.
	This is blatant injustice, he says.
	The provisions of the so-called enforcement initiative conflict with EU association agreements on freedom of movement.
	If accepted, it would create a two-tier justice system, one for the Swiss and one for the so-called foreigners, many who have lived in Switzerland since birth.
	It would also damage Swiss relations with its most important trading partner, the European Union.
	Mm-hmm.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yes.
	There they go.
	They're taking their typical Switzerland position, as usual.
	Get everybody out, we're neutral.
	Yeah, get out.
	F off, we're neutral.
	I don't want you around here.
	Get out of here.
	Get out.
	Get in my vagina.
	Well, if you have enough money, you can easily become a Swiss citizen.
	Yeah.
	I know a couple of guys who did that, and as far as I know, they're Swiss citizens.
	Isn't it expensive in Switzerland?
	I don't think it's any more expensive in Switzerland than it is in the rest of the EU. I mean, it's a little...
	Yeah, it's a little pricey sometimes.
	But it's not really out of control price.
	It's not like Hong Kong, for example.
	So, I don't know.
	Okay.
	Switzerland is clean, that much I can tell you.
	Yeah.
	And they make decent wine.
	It's kind of a surprise.
	It's nice air.
	Nice air.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And they have three languages, which is kind of contradictory to all of our beliefs about having one language for your country.
	Yeah, you need your French, you need your Italian, and your Germans.
	It's Swiss German, I think is what they call it.
	It's a Swiss German.
	Yeah, Swiss.
	And they make a meatball that's pretty decent.
	What's that?
	Okay, let me see.
	Play this clip.
	This is, they had Tina Fey on, this was Saturday Night Live, it was a rerun, but Tina Fey doing her, what's her name, Palin.
	Oh, Sarah Palin?
	And there's a moment in there where they cut to her and she makes this sound.
	This was a repeat?
	Was it a really old one?
	I don't know how old it was.
	Maybe it was a new one.
	I mean, I didn't notice.
	notice.
	I just watched this part and then I turned it off and went to bed.
	What is that sound?
	I don't know.
	Maybe she used Rubio's shill, just used it in a different way.
	Hmm.
	Yeah, I think that's a keeper.
	I think I'm going to put...
	Wait a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	You know what this needs?
	Hold on a second.
	We need to...
	Hold on.
	Okay, here we go.
	This will be in the end montage for sure.
	even though I'm crippled without my device.
	It's a cult.
	That laugh is great.
	It's a cult.
	So on Democracy Now!, they rolled out that guy, that kind of Chinese character.
	He's not Chinese.
	I don't know.
	He's a mixed race who writes for The Intercept.
	And he just did this great story about all these shills on TV. They're on the Hillary campaign payroll.
	You mentioned earlier about some of the smart stuff Hillary's doing.
	And this is, I think, one of the smartest things she's done.
	Because as they bust her, who reads The Intercept and who watches Democracy Now!, that you'd get this.
	But this is the clip.
	It's corrupt pundits.
	So that's Stephanie Cutter, and she's being interviewed on Meet the Press by Chuck Todd.
	So, Lee Fang, explain what we don't know when we hear her speak, and she's introduced.
	Well, Cutter was...
	Meet the Press was introduced as a former Obama campaign official, a Democratic campaign expert, but what was not disclosed was that the firm that she co-founded, Precision Strategies, has been retained for consulting work by the Hillary campaign throughout last year, including the time that she came on NBC's Meet the Press to discuss the campaign and the state of the race.
	But, you know, this is just one of many examples.
	For example, we We analyzed transcripts for 50 different segments in which CNN had one of their contributors, Maria Cardona, come on and discuss and largely praise Hillary Clinton.
	What wasn't disclosed is that Maria Cardona, her lobbying firm, Dewey Square Group, has multiple financial ties to their Hillary Clinton campaign.
	They're retained by both of the big pro-Hillary super PACs.
	Maria is a And who is this woman again, John?
	Stephanie Cordona and this other cutter woman.
	The article in The Intercept cites a whole slew of these people who are being brought on as the talking heads, as objective talking heads when they're all working for Hillary.
	And this is like, is this the Booker's problem?
	How did these people get on in the first place?
	Who's calling them?
	For one thing, you just don't show up on these things.
	No, here's how it goes.
	You get a phone call.
	Hey, hi, hi, hoi, yeah, hey, I'm here over the Hillary campaign.
	We've got someone great, dynamic, who'll look fantastic.
	She's really going to be good.
	Just take her.
	The booker goes, eh, good, give me the phone number, that's easy.
	I hope it's not that bad.
	Well, you have, you, you place a lot of value on the production quality and booking quality of these stations.
	Well, I just hope it's not that bad where somebody calls directly from the Hillary campaign and says, oh, she can be objective.
	They do it from the Pentagon all the time.
	What difference at this point does it make?
	At this point.
	Yeah.
	The Pentagon gives them the pundits.
	This is why I really appreciate people who write us notes and they say, oh, I can't listen to the mainstream stuff, any of it.
	I can't have to listen to you guys.
	I can't.
	Well, good.
	This is why.
	This is exactly why.
	This is one of the reasons why.
	Exactly.
	I find it very distressing to hear that.
	And the report, you can read us in The Intercept.
	They're actually doing some pretty good stuff there.
	I agree with that.
	Finally.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	We have a few people to thank for show 803, starting with Eric Braley and Polsbo, Washington.
	Great little town.
	By the way, he wants a planes good, trains bad thing.
	If you can slip that in at the end, it'd be great.
	Okay.
	Otherwise, you don't have to.
	I'm happy to do that.
	Borislav Marinov.
	Anyways, one, two, three, four, five from Eric.
	Borislav Marinov, one, two, three, four, five in Trabuco Canyon, California.
	He's recently laid off.
	So he's going to need some job karma.
	Jobs karma on there as well.
	Yes, we'll take care of that.
	David Fox in Wendell, North Carolina.
	One, two, three, four, five.
	And he's the one that's got something to do with that meetup we're talking about.
	What does he say?
	What does he say?
	Oh, the North Carolina meetup.
	Yeah, I gotcha.
	Yeah.
	Kevin Thomas.
	Oops.
	One, two, three, four, five in Smyrna, Georgia.
	And we've got the newsletter that says Go Podcasting.
	Sean Connolly in San Diego, California, 100.
	Nicholas Zabattino in San Diego, California, also 100.
	Jay Kumar is heading our buddy from Beverly, Massachusetts, nuts.
	100.
	Then we drop down to Nicholas Samaras in Haymarket, Virginia, 9876.
	Got a birthday.
	Anonymous, 8888 in Sultan, Washington.
	Baroness Monica.
	Monica Lansing in Drayton Valley, Alberta, Canada.
	$80.30.
	Sir Kevin McLaughlin in Locust, North Carolina.
	We got a lot of North Carolinians coming in today.
	They should all go to the meetup.
	A small state.
	Nice.
	Small batch in a small state.
	Small batch.
	Sir Kevin McLaughlin in Locust, North Carolina.
	Another, I just said him.
	William Mitchell in, and by the way, Sir Kevin McLaughlin in 6969.
	William Mitchell, 6666, parts unknown.
	Sir Kevin Dills in Charlotte, North Carolina.
	Today's North Carolina Day, ladies and gentlemen, 6432.
	Oliver Reich in South San Francisco, 6432.
	California 60 code name Jim Kettering Ohio 56 78 James Williams 55 fit 10 double nickels on the dime from Phoenix Arizona Josh McDonald parts unknown double nickels on the dime and now the rest of these are $50 donors Aaron Havens in spring Texas Daniel Daniel Torellio in Charleston South Carolina he He can make the North Carolina meetup.
	Christopher Quiroga, I'm guessing, in Porter, Texas.
	Tom Weaver in Fowlerville, Michigan.
	David Dural in Malta, New York.
	These are all 50s.
	Jake Counts in Duluth, Georgia.
	He has a list of crazy requests.
	He has a couple of douchebag call-out to my podcasting partner, Josh Wiley.
	Douchebag!
	You do not get to let your girlfriend donate and get off the hook.
	Okay.
	We got the birthday call-out, I believe, and we'll give a de-douching at the end.
	Heather Erickson in Austin, Texas.
	These are all 50s.
	Peter Totes in Parts Unknown.
	Gerald Inabene in Union, South Carolina.
	John Gaddy in Fredericksburg, Virginia.
	Donald Napier in Oviedo, Florida.
	I'm hoping.
	Bryn Evans in Berwick, Victoria, Australia.
	Shad Rich, Parts Unknown, and Abednego.
	Sir Mark Tanner in Whittier, California.
	And finally, Stephen McConnell in Cortland, Ohio.
	Those are all our $50 donors.
	And that concludes our list of well-wishers and donors and helpers and contributors and producers for show 803.
	A couple of donations from the meetup.
	And let me see.
	What do we have?
	I have the first one here from Chris Davidson.
	And he is in an envelope, a nice Walmart corporate offices envelope.
	A hundred dollars.
	Thank you very much.
	Then we have Rick Leisure.
	Leisure.
	Leisure.
	L-E-A-S-U-R-E. And Rick has a note.
	Hold on.
	Then he donated $60.
	Thank you very much.
	In the morning, Adam and John, when I heard you were coming to Fayetteville, wanted to have a meetup.
	I was really excited.
	I've always rationalized that it was okay.
	I had, quote, good reasons.
	Crushing student loan debt, no job, shitty job, etc.
	The truth is I've been a boner for too long and I couldn't look you in the eye tonight without donating.
	I know it's a pittance compared to the value you've provided to me for all these years.
	I pledge to make up the balance going forward.
	Big thanks to you for coming to the meetup.
	I hope you enjoy Fayetteville.
	Hit me up with any questions you have about the area.
	Thank you for your courage, love and light.
	Rick Leisure.
	Leisure.
	Thank you very much, Rick.
	And then, one of our...
	This is poorly documented.
	You guys need to help me with the documentation.
	One of the producers gave me an original copy of the official ballot, Palm Beach County, Florida, General Election, November 7, 2000.
	This is the...
	I guess this is the...
	The Chad one.
	Yes, the Chad one.
	I have it here.
	Unchatted.
	That's collectible.
	It's beautiful, isn't it?
	I'm very happy with that.
	Yeah, that's a very big collectible.
	It's not worth anything now, maybe a dollar, but it's something that a museum will love to get 20 or 30 years from now.
	Very nice.
	Then I also received this, like historical stuff.
	December 2nd, 1987.
	This is the Prescription for World Peace and Prosperity.
	It's a pamphlet.
	With head and hands around the world, joined in international sisterhood and brotherhood, we the people, with a Morse code SOS, the messenger.
	I'm not quite sure what this pamphlet is.
	Does this ring any bells, John, what this thing is?
	Who wrote it?
	Who published it?
	Who wrote it?
	It's kind of unclear.
	In this is letters from the...
	I don't know what this is, man.
	I gotta look into that.
	I know what that is.
	Now, then someone, and I'm sad that I don't have the name, it was a red envelope with no agenda on it, inside of it was the official Donald Trump Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas card.
	Ha ha ha!
	One from the campaign or one from his family?
	This is from the campaign with Make America Great Again on the Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays.
	We are together going to Make America Great Again.
	I love you all, Donald J. Trump.
	But inside the envelope were the cool things.
	Besides, and I really need to know who donated this, $50 and a crisp $100 trillion bill from the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe.
	Yeah, I have a couple of those.
	Now, the beautiful thing, and he showed it to me.
	I didn't know that it was in the envelope.
	He apparently went out and made a bunch of these chips that you put in a greeting card.
	When you open it up, then the card plays a song or something.
	Yeah.
	Except...
	Yes?
	Well, yeah, I have a few of those.
	You can program some of them.
	Right.
	And this is what happens with this one.
	We've got karma.
	Really?
	That's cool.
	Yeah.
	Oh, it won't stop now, of course.
	It won't stop.
	He had to cover the light or something.
	It usually has a...
	Yeah, some sensor.
	Photovoltaic thing going on.
	And I didn't get around to talking to him a little bit more about it, but I think it's a beautiful...
	What a great little gadget.
	And he had...
	I guess he had a bunch of them.
	And he said, ah, I didn't do anything with the project.
	And I don't know.
	I don't know.
	No, I just...
	Send me a couple.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They sound very annoying.
	Oh, I think...
	Maybe it was from Guy Nichols, maybe?
	Oh, man.
	You'll find out.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	I want to make good on those, so make sure you...
	Give me a holler.
	And I also have a patch for you, John.
	A patch, which is...
	I think it may even be an iron-on.
	Banger, Washington.
	CSS 1719.
	NSSC. Naval Submarine Support Center.
	With the Trident logo on it.
	That's cool.
	Oh, nice.
	Yeah.
	That's from Washington State?
	Yep.
	Yeah, I drive past that.
	They have a huge subbase.
	The dude named Jim, the submariner, I think he was stationed up there for a while.
	Then I got a challenge coin.
	I got the USS Hartford Submarine Service Pride Runs Deep.
	Very cool.
	Nice for the collection.
	That's it.
	Thank you very much for supporting us.
	Lower today than normal, but that's what happens.
	We go up and down with the tide, as it were.
	And we, of course, will be doing a program on Thursday, and we hope you will all join us for that.
	Tavorac.org slash N.
	A little karma for the people who need it.
	You've got karma.
	Um...
	There we go.
	All right, today we say, well, actually, we welcome a new baby, new human resource, Jared and Kim Hall wrote in, so congratulations on that.
	Let us know what his or her name will be.
	Mark Plager celebrated his birthday on the 25th.
	Jake Count says happy birthday to his podcasting partner's girlfriend, Madison Risco.
	She turned 18 on February 26th.
	Nicholas Samaras says happy birthday to his son, Aiden, who will be 12 on March 1st.
	And Daniel Torellio says, Celebrates his birthday on March 1st as well.
	Happy birthday from all your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe!
	Happy birthday, yeah!
	We have no knightings today, but we do have a title change, Sir Guy Boazi, who now is a black baron.
	I don't know how he messed it up, but he becomes a black baron.
	This is very nice.
	They sent a note in saying he made this level, and then I guess we lost it in the mail or something.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, it happens.
	So they sent it again.
	Now, I have two clips that kind of tie together from two different angles, which I wanted to do.
	It's kind of tech news, but not really.
	I have one tech news piece.
	You want to start to do a tech news theme?
	I wasn't quite set up for it, but if...
	Well, you know what?
	It'll make sense.
	If I start it here, then we'll get into it with you.
	So I have a little thing, a little package.
	Is that okay?
	Can we, anyone out there can isolate, ISO that little statement he just made, it'd be hilarious.
	A little package?
	I have a little package.
	Okay, let me see.
	239, I got it.
	Thanks, John.
	This was on NPR, Secretary of Defense of the United States of America, talking about ISIS and what we're doing.
	So if I may ask you about that, because in the course of your testimony before Congress, you did say that US Cyber Command is now launching attacks against ISIS. And there would be many people I imagine out there who would say, what?
	We're not doing that already?
	I mean, ISIS, there is this dual front.
	There is the battlefield and the air campaign and the war happening against ISIS in Iraq and Syria and other places.
	But then there's the online component.
	Why is a cyber dimension only happening now?
	Well, other parts of our government take action in respect of law enforcement and intelligence efforts for people, for example, to plot in the United States.
	I'm talking about something different.
	I'm talking about attacking the ability of someone sitting in Raqqa to command and control ISIL forces outside of Raqqa, or to talk to Mosul, or Even to talk to somebody in Paris or to the United States.
	So these are strikes that are conducted in the war zone using cyber essentially as a weapon of war.
	Just like we drop bombs, we're dropping cyber bombs.
	Cyberbombs, John.
	Cyberbomb.
	But this is an important thing he's saying, and I would not have brought this topic up today if it weren't for the cyberbomb comment.
	A couple people sent me a link to a podcast called The Tech Syndicate.
	Which is, it's actually not a bad show.
	It's a bunch of neckbeards, you know, they've got cool glasses.
	It's a sysadmins doing a podcast.
	I say neckbeards with love, obviously.
	And they were talking about the Apple encryption thing as it relates to the Constitution.
	And upon hearing Ashton Carter just say that these are, if you will, cyberbombs, It gave me reason to play this short clip.
	Justice Scalia just died, and he was sort of famous for saying that the Constitution occasionally does protect criminals just as it protects ordinary citizens.
	And if this goes through, it is a breathtaking expansion of power.
	I think that historically, encryption has been classified as munitions.
	When we're talking about Lotus Notes, in that era, Encryption was classified as munitions.
	Technically, it still is classified as munitions.
	Intel, an Intel subsidiary, was fined for giving strong encryption to some foreign country that the U.S. doesn't like, which is the first action like that the State Department has taken in forever.
	And that was in 2014.
	And so I guess technically, encryption is still classified as a type of munitions.
	But our founding fathers, the fathers of the United States, used very strong encryption, encryption that was basically unbreakable in the day for private communication and private correspondence to ensure that.
	And so I think it's not too far off the mark to classify encryption as munitions.
	But I think classifying encryption as munitions also gives you Second Amendment protections.
	As a citizen, I have the right to arm myself with encryption.
	I thought it was an interesting take.
	I think.
	I like that theory.
	I mean, I think when he mentioned that there's...
	No one's ever pulled a plug on some of this stuff like they did with Intel in 2014.
	Right.
	He implies that it's never been done before.
	That's not true.
	Oh, okay.
	There was a lot of that kind of activity during the freakish era of the PGP. Yes, yes, yes.
	The government was all over this, and they also busted Toshiba for something, although it was hardware-related.
	We were very strict back in the day.
	But yeah, I like the idea that it's protected by the Second Amendment.
	That's fantastic thinking.
	Interesting, isn't it?
	I like that a lot.
	Now, there is a bill that was introduced last week, which I have a copy of, that relates to all of this.
	It's from Ted Liu of California.
	And it is called the Ensuring National Constitutional Rights for Your Private Telecommunications Act of 2016, better known as, it's always fun to have an acronym, the Encrypt Act of 2016.
	And this is, it has been introduced, and it's very short.
	It has a couple of sections.
	Preemption of state data security vulnerability mandates and decryption requirements.
	And then here it comes.
	In general, a state or political subdivision of a state may not, one, mandate or request that a manufacturer, developer, seller, or provider of covered products or services, A, design or alter the security functions in its product or service to allow the surveillance of any user of such product or service, or to design or alter the security functions in its product or service to allow the surveillance of any user of such product or service, or to allow the physical search of such product by any agency or instrumentality of a state, a political subdivision of a state, or the United States, or B, have the
	ability to decrypt or other otherwise or B, have the ability to decrypt or other otherwise render intelligible information that is encrypted or otherwise rendered unintelligible using its product or service, or prohibit the manufacturer, sale, or lease, offering for sale or This is a, it's almost like, it almost reads like a constitutional amendment because it is a prohibition on the federal government and the states.
	I don't know if that could be done this way.
	um To not outlaw the creation of the uncrackable device, which is what we've kind of been waiting for in this thing from Apple.
	Because it appears to be some kind of pre-marketing at this point.
	And they even talk about the covered, just a definition, the covered product or service.
	So this is the device or service or product, which is pretty much everything you have in Internet of Thing land that may not be forbidden by the government.
	So these term, these covered products means any computer, hardware, computer software, electronic device or online service that has traveled in interstate or foreign commerce or otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce and is made available to the general public.
	Online service, the term online service means a service provided over the Internet that makes available to users the ability to send or receive communications such as emails, text messages, photos and audio and video communications and then the ability to share data files, et cetera.
	So it's really a prohibition on the government to allow, the only way I see it, is to allow Apple to, or any manufacturer of a device or service, to create something that is 100% completely secure and sold as such.
	And this seems to be what it was all about.
	That wouldn't surprise me, because it's a marketing tool.
	You can get something, you know, we can't be screwed with when it comes to this sort of product, because these are international companies, Apple.
	Yeah.
	They have to sell to the Greek government and they can't be worried that there's back doors and all kinds of things.
	They have to be secure.
	It's just the way it is.
	Of course.
	Otherwise they lose the market.
	But for me, much more interesting is we have never had this kind of power as citizens to keep our papers safe.
	From, you know, search and seizure, you know, Fourth Amendment, but even though we heard our tech guys say, well, our founding fathers used, for the time, unbreakable encryption, but are we allowed to have it?
	That's the question.
	Can these citizens have it?
	You know what I mean, sanctioned as such.
	Well, this has been an issue we've talked about on the show before.
	The government doesn't like the idea because they don't want it.
	Because the FBI in particular, they don't really want to do any work.
	Now, I heard an interesting thing.
	Let me get my tech.
	Do you want your tech?
	The only good phone's a landline, and the phone should be made out of Bakelite.
	I'm with you.
	That's the only kind of encryption I like.
	It's time for Tech News!
	So I got my tech news piece, run it.
	He has his tech news and here we go.
	From Northern California, Facebook asking, do you like something or do you love it?
	Here's David Wright.
	Facebook has long acknowledged the limitations of like.
	There are more sentiments that people want to express than just positivity or that they like something.
	So as of today, there are more ways to react.
	We have a tremendous problem.
	Take that new Game of Thrones parody currently making the rounds.
	The greatest builder is me, and I would build the greatest wall you have ever seen.
	Winter is Trumping.
	It was originally produced for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.
	Well, instead of thumbs up, you could now give it a love, or a wow, or ha-ha, or even a sad or an angry.
	I don't think they like it.
	A feature that advertisers like Chevy are already looking to exploit.
	Start loving.
	So far, love is the most popular option.
	In general, that is.
	What's not to like about that?
	David Wright, ABC News, New York.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Do these advertising boneheads actually think that someone looks on the site and sees a bunch of hearts and smiles and oh, wows and all the other crap?
	By the way, this is adding crap.
	To the elegance of Facebook, making it more and more like MySpace, but okay, I will let that slide.
	Do they really think, does Chevy really think, oh, let's get a lot of these likes and smiles, smiley faces and hearts, and someone's going to buy the car because of that?
	You know, this just shows how desperate they really are.
	Just the desperate.
	What a way to devalue love.
	That's what I don't like about it.
	Oh yeah, there's that.
	Devaluing the emotion of love.
	The like was already dodgy.
	Yeah, the like sucked.
	Join us on Facebook and like us.
	Love us.
	It's on television they keep saying.
	Love us on Facebook.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, that's my tech news.
	You can kill this segment.
	Yeah, the segment's killed.
	I'm done.
	Done with the tech news.
	We can always, you know, play it out if you want.
	Thank you very much.
	Good tech news for the Tech Hornet.
	The phone's a landline, and the phone should be made out of Bakelite.
	We got one last topic that I want to discuss.
	The Academy Awards are tonight.
	Yes, yes.
	You mean the White Awards?
	You're not going to be able to watch them.
	You'll be on the road.
	Ah, that's not true.
	We are leaving tomorrow.
	Then I have the log.
	Well, I hope, because I tried the log in earlier and it was occupied or whatever, but I'll try it.
	The log occupies?
	You're talking about a bathroom?
	No, the log in.
	Log in.
	The system was...
	Log in the toilet.
	Yes, sure.
	So they're trying to, you know, this bullcrap thing about the white producers, all white actors.
	I mean, best director is going to be won by a Mexican, okay?
	And I said okay.
	You did not just say okay.
	I said okay.
	Okay.
	But the best cinematographer is, I think he's Mexican too, somewhat specious.
	For which movie is this?
	Revenants.
	Yeah, the Retardo DiCaprio movie?
	Retardo, exactly.
	Retardo DiCaprio.
	I've heard that one before, but it's a winner.
	Uh-huh.
	So they're trying to make hay with this stuff, and all I'm hearing, so PBS is, they did a segment with three boneheads.
	One of them is a black guy who's a professor at UCLA, and another one is just an analyst, and then there's a third person who makes zero sense with anything she says.
	It's just like, listen and listen, I don't know what she's saying.
	It's like somebody, she's asked the question like, do you like cheese on your hamburger or not?
	And she'll say, it's worse than that!
	So without answering the question.
	So it's like...
	Citing no proof.
	Everything she says is a non sequitur, so we'll play her a lot.
	But this is play, these poor guys trying to get, make a topic out of this.
	And when you listen to any of the arguments, it's like, movies are actually small, disposable companies.
	Yeah, they're LLCs that never make a profit.
	And they're put together, not at the spur of the moment, but they're a group of people that work together to produce a single product that's sold to a distributor, sold to a production company, so they get money.
	And the whole thing is just, and that's done.
	Except for Star Wars.
	These tend to be one shots and done by a group of friends.
	I mean, that's what you see in Hollywood a lot.
	You see these groups.
	I mean, if you're in one of the groups, if you're in an in-group, it's a clique.
	Like Scorsese's, for example.
	So we use the same actors all the time.
	You get a job.
	That's how you get into business.
	You make friends with these guys at a party.
	You say, yeah, I like you.
	I'm going to put you in one of my movies and then you're in all of his movies.
	But let's listen to the way they try to describe it as though it's General Motors or U.S. Steel that they need to hire more Hispanics.
	Oh, I see.
	I get it.
	I get it.
	A new site covering the entertainment and media industries.
	And welcome to all three of you.
	I want to start with you, Darnell Hunt, and help us first briefly define the problem and what you see as its source.
	Well, what we're dealing with is a disconnect between, on the one hand, the increasing diversity of American society.
	We're almost 40% minority.
	And on the other hand, the fact that stubbornly, the industry just can't seem to make diverse projects.
	In our study, we find that on every front, people of color and women are underrepresented behind the camera, in front of the camera.
	And yet we also see from audience consumption patterns that people of color, diverse audiences crave diverse content.
	So we have a situation where the people who are running the industry, and largely white males, aren't in a position to make the types of projects that people want.
	And that's the fundamental issue.
	It's trying to figure out how to bring more people in the room, how to get more voices and perspectives into the process.
	What bullshit is this?
	If Hollywood knows that there's something people want, they make it.
	That's total bullshit.
	So Alex Nogales, tell us how it plays out.
	You work sometimes with the experiences of Latinos and others, what kind of roles they get or don't get, what they run up against as writers or directors.
	Well, they can't even get in.
	The opportunities are not there.
	Darnell just said, the problem is that you have 95 percent whites in leadership positions at all of the studios, the six studios here in town.
	And you have a majority of them being males.
	So they rose up in the ranks of this whole thing called film.
	And they've made their alliances.
	They've made their friendships.
	They've made their relationships.
	And so when it's time to call for a new product, that's who they call in.
	Oh, man.
	Bahh.
	Thank you.
	It's ridiculous to listen to this, because these arguments don't understand the way any of these businesses work.
	That's not the way it is.
	It's not General Motors.
	In the old studio system that used to exist, where everyone had to go through the system, I could see this argument working back then.
	But it doesn't work anymore.
	It's bullcrap.
	No.
	And the irony of this is actually presented in the second clip, which is the woman who doesn't make any sense.
	You can listen to her entire spiel.
	She makes no sense.
	She just throws words out.
	It's like listening to an insane person.
	But...
	But she makes one point that I thought was funny, which is that all the people in the business are the Hollywood liberals and they're the ones bitching about this.
	Well, Sharon Wagner, is that the industry that you see, that you cover every day?
	Is it about who you know?
	Is it about overt racism or sexism?
	Is it all about money?
	What?
	Well, I think it's worse than that because you have a culturally very liberal entertainment industry, famously so, in which people are politically very much to the left.
	You see that in some of the programming choices and the messages, whether it's Norman Lear for so many years and the television that he wrote.
	And it heavily influenced American society in the 70s, or whether you see that with Will and Grace or shows like that that push the needle forward on social issues all the time.
	But it is true that the issue that...
	Of decision-makers being primarily white and male, with some notable exceptions, has been the case.
	I do think that this is essentially a small community of people who come up together, who call on their friends.
	If you are in a studio job and you leave the studio job, you become a producer, and your buddy then calls you up and asks you for your latest pitches.
	So it has to be a more thoughtful, significant, and proactive effort to change that.
	Yeah, it's fun to watch this because the whole we need to be equal, black lives matter, all lives matter, white lives matter, brown lives matter, it's coming to a head and ultimately it's the dollar that matters.
	I mean, if anyone has any illusions that any business could do better with diverse content, whatever diversification, but they're not because of racism, Is dumb.
	Well, they're living in a dream world with Hollywood.
	Yeah.
	It doesn't matter how you get into Hollywood.
	They're saying, well, you know, the up-and-coming menores, they want to watch diverse programming, but they...
	No, diverse content, John.
	Diverse content.
	Diverse content.
	But they pack them in at Star Wars.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's billions.
	Ultron, the Avengers Ultron.
	Does a billion or two billion dollars in sales.
	But this is what movies people are going to see.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's like, give me a break.
	Yeah.
	I just thought they run that stuff just to show.
	Because you could tell the guy on the news hour was struggling trying to get, what is the real complaint here?
	Yeah, what's really going on?
	And he couldn't get it from any of these people.
	Well, we're going to see shake out of a lot of things.
	I've been monitoring what Amazon and Netflix and Hulu, you know, they're all doing this original content.
	And what you're seeing slip into it slowly is diverse content.
	And I think Amazon is really the they're falling for this.
	They're falling for this.
	And I think the people who are running the Amazon Studios, oh yeah, we need to have more diverse content.
	We need more brown people.
	The Amazon Studios is definitely the most naive.
	Yeah.
	The projects are quite sketchy projects.
	They have hit a couple of interesting ones, I believe.
	But it's not, they're just throwing money away.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but there has to be a shakeout anyway.
	There just has to be.
	Amazon, it is throwing, but Netflix is also throwing money away.
	They're not recouping that money in all those series.
	They're just trying to build market share and maintain it.
	They hope you get a hit.
	They hope you get a hit, yeah.
	And if it would work better...
	That's not throwing money away the way Amazon's doing it.
	I'm sorry, yes.
	You're right.
	Because Amazon has a lot of crap product.
	And, you know, you see, like, my favorite show, Lilyhammer.
	You know, three seasons.
	I gotta tell you, I was midway in season two.
	I'm like, yeah, it's getting kind of boring.
	I don't like it.
	And it's done.
	And it's over.
	That's how it works.
	There's a white guy and, you know, everything's...
	No, it just doesn't work.
	Go away.
	So what are we watching on these things now?
	What do you mean?
	What shows?
	I mean, I will watch the Kimmy Schmidt show on Amazon and all these other things.
	Is it a new season of that?
	It's supposed to be on in a few weeks.
	Hmm.
	I'll probably plow through that.
	I will watch, at least I'll start and see how far I get with 11-22-63, which is supposed to be good.
	I've not heard about this.
	That's the show that Hulu's produced.
	Because everyone's got to get into the act.
	And so they've done it.
	It's supposed to be really outstanding.
	Very outstanding.
	Everyone likes it.
	I've gotten some emails talking about it.
	I don't know what else I'm going to watch.
	I don't know.
	I don't see anything.
	I do watch the comics.
	Netflix has comedian specials.
	They have a comic come out and they do an hour.
	They actually do their set live and it's much better stuff than you see on HBO. That's worth looking at seeing these different comics.
	I don't know.
	I'm not that excited.
	I still watch NCIS. I think this is the best structured show on television.
	I only have, like, bummer stuff, clip-wise.
	I don't want to end the show with bummer stuff.
	But I will tell you, on Thursday, there's pedo-bear stuff happening, with the big distraction being the Saville report of 1,000 pages.
	Meanwhile, in Rotherham...
	But actually, I probably should play this.
	This is a big distraction right now.
	And all the talk in the United Kingdoms of Gitmo Nation East...
	It's predominantly about the Jimmy Savile abuse and the BBC, and it's a thousand pages, and that's what the big news is.
	I've received from several of our producers, some of them actually kind of rude, like, well, I'm sure you won't cover this, you'll only go for...
	That same guy blocked him.
	No, I stayed on.
	I said, and I'm asking questions.
	Well, tell me, what is this about?
	Oh, you'll probably just do the Savile stuff anyway.
	And then finally I say, don't be such a dick.
	Tell me what you're trying to communicate.
	I have no time for playing around at 12 midnight the night before the show.
	Give me some information.
	So it is important to play at least these two clips, short ones, just so you get an idea and I'll do more research on it.
	People will help me more.
	So in Rotherham, in the UK, several years ago, there were a lot of accusations and it turned out that the city council, that they were running a huge prostitution racket with young girls in the town.
	The cops were in on it.
	It's insane.
	And to boot, this was a click of...
	This will be the wrong term because they have...
	Where's Rotherham?
	Rotherham in the UK? Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I haven't looked it up.
	I'll look it up on the map.
	They have what they call Pakistani heritage or something.
	I don't know.
	I'm not familiar with the terms.
	People are going to start helping me.
	Is this a Pakistani town?
	I don't know if it's a Pakistani town.
	But the city council, there's words for it, Pakistani heritage and whatever, but that may not be the main idea.
	But now we know, we've had this report, and it turns out it was horrendous.
	Thousands of girls were trafficked by these assholes, and this is the stiff upper lip of the British.
	Here's Member of Parliament Sarah Champion from Rotherham.
	Here's how she responds to it.
	In America, of course, we'd have lynchings.
	We'd get these guys, and we're killing them at this point.
	No, the Brits deal with it.
	I think that the government absolutely has to stop abandoning Rotherham.
	Can you hear this at all, or is that too boomy?
	It's really hard to hear.
	Ah, screw that.
	I'll play the, instead of her, I'll play...
	I will mention now, Rotherham, which is in South Yorkshire.
	Yes, South Yorkshire.
	Child exploitation.
	The Wikipedia's got a good rundown on it.
	Look up Rotherham, R-O-T-H-E-R-H-A-M, child sexual or anything, and you'll get it.
	So go to the show notes and watch the video of the MP. But here I have the spokeshole for the National Crime Agency.
	Unsure exactly what that's...
	Yes?
	It went from 1997 to 2013.
	Yes, yes.
	Then here's the spokeshole for the National Crime Agency.
	I was shocked by what I found in Rotherham, in part because the local authority, when we inspected it, was still in a state of denial, really, about the size of the problem that they were dealing with and what they had to do to go about taking appropriate action.
	In the inspections view, in my view, they continue to let children down.
	By so doing, they let the residents of Rotherham down as well.
	And I feel that in order to get their house in order, they need significant help from central government.
	And that's why I've proposed to the Secretary of State that they go into quite significant levels of interventions.
	I think the issue here is that Rotherham has essentially not faced up to some very difficult truths.
	Not looking after children effectively, not dealing with an issue of ethnicity in all circumstances to do with the race of people that perhaps perpetrate child sexual exploitation.
	These are very difficult things to handle, I admit that, but nevertheless they need to face up to it and they should be doing a better job.
	My view is overall the council is not open to uncomfortable truths and needs help in order to basically get its house in order and do the residents of Rotherham a better job than is currently happening.
	It's unbelievable.
	This is so downplayed.
	But meanwhile, there's like 40 cops are under investigation.
	Then everyone's distracted with the Jimmy, the Sir Savile.
	Yeah, that would keep your attention.
	Let me give you the background.
	Early and mid-90s, social workers came across example, 90s, sexual child, child, by the way, 11 years old, and mid-concerned young people being trafficked through a prostitution ring in Rotherham, a youth project, Risky Business.
	Working with people between the ages 11 and 25 was set up in 1997 when this all began.
	In 2002, a chapter of Draft Home Office report child sexual exploitation in Rothbard reported high prevalence of young women being coerced and abused through prostitution.
	They did bust a couple guys like 10 years later, and these guys all, I don't want to generalize because I don't know what the ethnic makeup of the town is, but the names that came up, Zafran, Ramzan, Adil Hussein, Mohsin Khan, Goes on and on with the kind of Arabic names.
	And just the whole thing.
	This is going to be a mess.
	Yeah.
	But it's being downplayed quite a bit.
	By the mainstream media.
	Of course, you know, they have a hand in this because when you look at the whole scope of it.
	But the Member of Parliament, she said this could affect a million children across all of the UK. It's too bad you just can't hear it.
	It's too boomy.
	But everyone needs to go see what this woman is saying.
	This is really insane.
	And then the last thing, just because, another thing, if you're going into the show notes, 803.noagendanotes.com, look for, under Caliphate, look for the, no, actually under Shut Up Slave, I'm sorry, that's where it is.
	There was a protest at one of these asylum seeker centers in the Netherlands, that's what they call them, Asylum Seeker Center.
	And the Dutch are there and they're protesting.
	They're saying, hey, we don't want any more of these migrants coming in.
	Then it's a peaceful protest, although they're kind of getting riled up.
	The cops come in and there's two people who are wearing like kind of hats, you know, woolly material.
	But these hats are a pig's head on the top and the ears are kind of flopping down over your ears.
	And the cops say to them, to these two protesters, you have to take the hat off.
	And one lady does, and the other guy says, no, why should I take it off?
	It's insulting to the migrants, and you have to take it off.
	He said, no, I'm not going to take it off.
	They arrested him.
	They arrested him, John.
	Yeah.
	Arrested him.
	You're not following the rules.
	You're not obeying.
	Zuckerberg has admitted that Facebook will be doing even more to police hate speech against the refugees, particularly in Germany, as Angela Merkel requested.
	They're going to be doing more.
	And there's rumor now...
	There's rumor that if you, certainly if you're a journalist and you write something negative about the migrant situation in the European Union, there is rumor, I'm trying to get it confirmed, that people are losing their verified status on Twitter and Facebook for saying this.
	Hee hee.
	Ha ha!
	It was no loss to you.
	I love it.
	I love it.
	There's another little line here.
	This is interesting.
	Because most of the perpetrators were of Pakistani heritage, several council staff described themselves as being nervous about identifying the ethnic origin of the perpetrators for fear of being thought racist.
	Yep.
	This is a real funny problem, if you think about it.
	And this will be interesting.
	Now you've got me interested in this.
	You're right, it's suppressed.
	I never heard of this.
	There's a big wiki page on it.
	So even though the approach of our producers is somewhat odd, I really appreciate it.
	Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
	This is why we are the best podcast in the universe.
	Yeah, most people wouldn't...
	They just shut these people out.
	Ban them.
	Yeah, oh yeah.
	But they have good material once in a while.
	Great material.
	And I would be...
	I miss if I did not tell everyone about the big Kraft macaroni and cheese recall.
	Oh no!
	Bad news.
	Yeah, they're recalling...
	Where is it here?
	I think they're recalling five million, what do you call it?
	Not packages.
	Packs of powdered cheese.
	How can this be bad stuff?
	I mean, this stuff is desiccated.
	Nothing can grow on it.
	Well, apparently, I'm looking for the article.
	Apparently there's some kind of cancer-causing metal that got into these...
	It's so bad!
	This is really bad.
	Here, I got the story here.
	Kraft recalls...
	Here we go.
	242,000 cases, equaling 6.5 million boxes of macaroni and cheese, are being pulled off the shelves because they may contain metal contamination.
	And then, of course, which boxes you need to do.
	And let me see if it tells us what that is.
	They are not telling us what the metal contamination is.
	That's probably from a grinder.
	Oh, here it is.
	Now, this is a weird...
	Now, this article did something weird because this article then comes in with something saying, oh, be careful for the red food dyes.
	Okay, that's not really fair what they did.
	Spirit science.
	But the recall is apparently real for metal filings.
	Nice!
	Nice, nice, nice.
	Very tasty.
	And...
	I was listening to one of the later in the day right-wing talk shows.
	And this guy came on and he says that Comey...
	Director of the FBI. Director of the FBI. Comey of the FBI, and this may apply to the guy who got busted for the photo.
	They didn't get busted, but his photo archive is being examined.
	A lot of subtle stuff going on.
	Comey is about to indict Hillary.
	That's the word.
	They're going to put up an indictment, and they're going to give it to the Justice Department, who will table it.
	And that will be followed by Comey's resignation.
	Because he's planning on this.
	He's planning on it being tabled.
	He knows it's not going to get anywhere.
	Makes sense.
	It's going to result in Comey's resignation and a huge scandal.
	Oh my goodness.
	And the scandal is going to be what?
	Over the...
	Over the emails?
	Sitting on the diamond and not doing anything.
	And Loretta Lynch not doing anything.
	And Obama being somehow connected to this cover-up.
	I don't know.
	It's just speculation.
	But I thought it was entertaining speculation.
	I like that.
	Very good.
	I think the Democrats are freaked out about Hillary.
	Because I know she's a powder keg.
	I mean, anything could happen before the election and anybody could get in on the Republicans.
	Well, you should go pick up the truth.
	You know what the truth is, right?
	The truth.
	Yeah, the National Enquirer.
	Here it is.
	The headline...
	Bill Clinton.
	Health crisis on the campaign trail.
	They have picture after picture of Bill looking dead.
	I'm sure they do.
	Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign is under a new strain as the former First Lady sees her husband turning into a liability.
	Shocked political insiders are talking about a different Bill Clinton on the campaign trail this year, with cranky Clinton even telling a former Marine to shut up and listen.
	Sometimes he seems dazed, said a veteran journalist following the campaign.
	Sometimes he just seems tired, and sometimes you get the feeling he wants Hillary to lose the nomination so this whole thing could be over.
	Ha ha ha!
	That's a reasonable analysis.
	Yeah, well, it's still possible.
	I'm still holding on to, sorry, but Bill is not going to make 2017.
	I think the odds are very high.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Which is going to get her all the sympathy vote and she'll be fine.
	Oh man, this is going to be breaking this week, so I want to make sure we get on it.
	Melissa Harris Perry, sometimes I play clips of her, this annoying woman on MSNBC. Yeah.
	We probably have tons of clips of her that we've played.
	She's always Black Lives Matter.
	She's smug.
	She's very smug.
	Let me see.
	We've had looting, not violence.
	The New York Times showed Malik in a hijab.
	She's always about equality.
	And she's a professor.
	And she wrote an open letter She had someone publish on Medium an open letter that she sent to her nerd crew, which I guess is what she calls the production staff for her show, about her disappointment.
	And what has happened is, first of all, MSNBC has crap ratings, and they're in trouble, and they brought the guy back from the Broadcast Board of Governors who was in charge of propaganda of the United States to the world.
	He had to leave and come back to save MSNBC. And during these, it's now the place for politics, that's their new slogan, and it's all day long.
	It's the liar, what's his name?
	The liar guy?
	Liar guy?
	Yeah.
	Cruz?
	No, the news guy.
	The liar guy.
	Brian Williams.
	Brian Williams.
	Oh, Brian Williams.
	They did a round of Brian Williams, Rachel Maddow.
	And they've flown Melissa Paris Harry in to be there, but her show has been preempted because of the election coverage.
	And she's gotten really, really angry and penned the following note, which I need to share.
	Maybe I should say up front that this is television.
	You have a show and it's doing great or whatever you think is doing great.
	You get preempted sometimes or it changes or maybe it's not working out.
	It does happen.
	She writes, As you know by now, my name appears on the weekend schedule for MSNBC programming from South Carolina this Saturday and Sunday.
	I appreciate that many of you responded to this development with relief and enthusiasm.
	To know that you've missed working with me, even a fraction of how much I've missed working with you all, is deeply moving.
	However, as of this morning, I do not have any intention of hosting this weekend because this is a decision that affects all of you, and I wanted to take a moment to explain my reasoning.
	Some unknown decision-maker, presumably Andy Lack or Phil Griffin, these are the big guys at the network, this added by name...
	She's mentioning them in a note.
	Oh, yeah.
	Real smart.
	To her staff, which she specifically said, please publish.
	has added my name to this spreadsheet, but nothing has changed in the posture of the MSNBC leadership team toward me or toward our show.
	Putting me on air seems to be a decision being made solely to save face because there's a growing chorus of questions from our viewers about my notable absence from MSNBC coverage.
	Social media has noted the dramatic change in editorial tone and racial composition of MSNBC's on-air coverage.
	There's the first.
	She's black, in case I didn't mention that.
	Yes.
	In addition, Dylan Byers of CNN has made repeated inquiries with MSNBC's leadership and with me about the show and what appears to be its cancellation.
	I have not responded to reporters or social media inquiries.
	However, I am not willing to appear on air in order to quell concerns about the disappearance of our show and our voice.
	Here's the reality.
	Our show was taken, without comment or discussion or notice, in the midst of an election season, off the air.
	After four years of building an audience, developing a brand, and developing trust with our viewers, we were effectively and utterly silenced.
	Now, MSNBC would like me to appear for four inconsequential hours to read news that they deem relevant without returning to our team any of the editorial control and authority that makes MHP show so distinctive.
	And then...
	With emphasis on the word stink.
	And then the kicker.
	The purpose of this decision seems to be to provide cover for MSNBC, not to provide voice for the MHP show.
	I will not be used as a tool for their purposes.
	I am not a token, a mammy, or a little brown bobblehead.
	I am not owned by Lack, Griffin, or MSNBC.
	I love our show.
	I want it back.
	I have wept more tears than I can count.
	And I find this deeply painful.
	But I don't want back on the air at any cost.
	I'm only willing to return when that happens under certain terms.
	So she played the race card.
	Unbelievable!
	Everything she did there was wrong.
	And just to explain.
	Television, you get fired.
	You get preempted.
	You get moved around.
	No one gives a shit about you.
	No one.
	They only care about ratings.
	Sometimes they don't even care about ratings.
	They might not like you at the moment.
	When Ed Schultz got fired, he went to RT, to the hellhole of cable news.
	Might as well move to the Yukon.
	Did he say, well, clearly they had too many white people on the air?
	This is so wrong.
	This shit has got to stop.
	It's going to stop after the Academy Awards at least for a little while.
	You think so?
	No, we're in for a long haul on this bullcrap, John.
	I'm sad to say.
	I'm sad to say.
	All right.
	Well, I think everyone's a little caught up.
	Yeah, I think we're done.
	Very good.
	Ah, groovy.
	And you're going to have a nice drive.
	You're going to go through Van Buren, I guess.
	Yeah, you're going to try that.
	But we're staying here tonight.
	I always think Fayetteville South, but it's up at the top there.
	You're up by the Ozarks near Missouri.
	To get back home, you almost damn near have to go through Van Buren.
	Yeah, that's the plan.
	Yeah.
	That's the plan.
	You're not going to go to the wine country, though?
	We'll see.
	I mean, the problem is, of course, it's eight hours at least drive back.
	Yeah, I wouldn't.
	If it's going to be too much work, don't do it.
	Okay.
	It's beautiful, but forget it.
	Well, we will be coming back up here because the kid's got four more years, so I'm sure we'll be here again.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, then you go to the wine country.
	And I look forward to it.
	And I want to thank everyone who was here at the meetup.
	Thanks for being so kind.
	Thanks for a good time.
	It was fun.
	Nice to meet all of you.
	A very intelligent, fun, diverse group.
	And coming to you from the Airstream of Consciousness, parked five minutes from the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I've got universities around me, too.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We will be back on Thursday, right here on No Agenda.
	Adios, mofos. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	Get it, you know, ants.
	We had ant information.
	Uh, do you know what I'm saying?
	I feel like, I don't know how I feel.
	Uh, and I ate it, I ate it, I ate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Train's good!
	It's Sausage Sunday when we share sausage, just like family.
	Amen.
	Fist bump.
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