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Hey man, I'm hearing a ringing sound.
Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
And it's Thursday, March 3rd, 2016.
Time once again for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 804.
This is No Agenda.
Balancing privacy against privacy and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state here in FEMA Region 6 in the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley where the Zephyr went by, we're running late.
I'm John C. DeVocora.
We had all that extra time to prepare your opening, and that's what we get.
You know, I always choke the opening.
You're a choker!
You're a choker, man.
I am a choker.
You're a choker.
Choker.
Choke artist.
Yeah, big time.
Back in the Crackpot condo here in the skyscraper in downtown Austin, after our little jaunt to Fayetteville.
Oh, yes.
Sometimes known as Fayette Chill or Fayette Nam.
Vietnam?
Vietnam?
Yeah.
Why, is there a bunch of Vietnamese there?
No, it's because of the outstanding quality of the weed.
The weed?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Fayetteville weed is...
Well, why don't they legalize it in that state then?
They should, man.
That stuff needs to go cross-eyed.
I thought you stopped using that stuff.
No.
No.
What are you talking about?
No, he denies it.
You all know, everyone that listens to this show...
I stopped a long time ago.
Yeah, I stopped.
And then sometimes, you know, someone says, hey, you've got to try this from Arkansas.
This is research for the show, just research.
Try the local material.
It's research.
Well, they would.
That's actually a hemp-growing area.
Yeah.
Who was it?
A dude named Ben.
A stoned dude named Ben.
You tried that?
I said, hold on.
I'm going cross-eyed.
This stuff is good.
Going cross-eyed.
Did you stop in Van Buren?
Yes, we did.
We stopped in Van Buren on the way home.
I'll tell you what it was.
Van Buren reminds me of Marfa, but only there's much more of it.
And there's actual people walking around.
It seems to be life.
It's a big place.
It seems to be life.
Beautiful.
Very quaint.
Very cute.
We didn't stay a super long time, but we did go.
And that was a long drive back.
I drove back in one go.
My take on it, and it is big and people live there.
It's like a normal town.
But my take on it is it's kind of sad because it's this beautiful little 1880 Victorian town that's in perfect condition and has been kept up.
Well, the town center is the historic town center.
That's the part I'm mostly talking about.
Yeah, they built a town around it.
It's like the bank...
It's like a really crazy look.
But it's not a bank.
No.
And it's like this shop is not that anymore.
So you're a cooper.
No, it's a flower shop.
Everything was whatever it was is not that anymore.
It's no longer what it is, yeah.
And it's kind of pathetic in that regard.
It's like, oh, I don't know.
I guess I'm expecting Knott's Berry Farm or something, or at least a couple of the places they try to keep is the old place.
Mystic Seaport.
They're not going to do that.
So I had to stay at the local...
I never stayed there.
There's a local RV park on I-35, four minutes from downtown.
Four miles from downtown, I should say.
Downtown what?
Because we were back so late, I couldn't...
We drove it all in one go.
It's about eight, nine hours.
Because Tina had work on Tuesday.
So I couldn't take it back to the storage place because they were closed.
This is the RV park that famously Matthew McConaughey stayed at for months when he was filming something in Austin or whatever.
In an Airstream, coincidentally.
It was nice.
What's the name of it?
Oh...
I forget.
That's okay.
It doesn't need a plug.
We don't get paid.
No.
In fact, I got in like, I don't know, 10 o'clock or something.
Then you pick up your little packet, because no one's there, that just has a card, a key card to get in, sometimes a passcode for the gate.
And it said, oh, we won't have any cable, because apparently Time Warner is now encrypting all of their, what used to be kind of Free usable cable, and they're not even selling boxes to these outfits.
All the RV parks, like, holy crap, we can't offer cable anymore.
Which is a problem.
Yeah.
Yeah, Time Warner doesn't want people doing that anymore, I guess.
Even when they offer to pay for extra cable boxes.
No, they won't do it.
They won't sell them.
Why?
I don't know.
I don't know the rationale.
Douchebags.
Mm-hmm.
Play the douchebag theme.
Yeah, I will.
Douchebag!
I also noticed a huge design flaw, once again, in the American-made Airstream trailer.
Okay.
So you have a heating system, heating and cooling, and in the bathroom, which is kind of nice, there is an outlet, you know, one of those, you know, look great.
And when the furnace, or if you have the HVAC on, you're sitting on the toilet, you know.
HVAC? HVAC, isn't that what it is?
What is it?
No, why am I saying HVAC? What is the AC? Isn't that called HVAC? Heating something?
AC? I don't know.
It's a unit that can heat or cool.
Okay.
An air conditioner.
Which is really nice when you're doing some sitting down business in the airstream in the back there.
But when you're standing up...
This is a design flaw.
As a guy, the grate is higher than the toilet seat itself.
So you have a crosswind of about five knots.
Oh, and it blows the pee all over the place?
In the dark, it is an obstacle that needs to be reckoned with.
Oh.
Next time you'll know better.
You should sit like a girl.
Yes, we should.
And then I got a call Wednesday morning.
Remember the crisis management guy from D.C. who I met a while ago who was friends with Gary Johnson?
Yeah.
So he called.
He said, hey, I'm in Austin.
Let's have a coffee to update you on stuff.
And I think really, he's crisis manager, so these guys, they want books, they want something to be able to tout their skills with.
So he'd written a piece for Huffington Post about why he thought Trump was so successful.
And I guess that's kind of what he wanted to tell me, because I didn't quite understand what he was saying about that until I went back and read his article.
But he says, it's because our expectations are so low.
And that's why we, you know, with Trump, the expectations are low.
You know, you don't expect him to speak politely.
There's so many things you don't expect.
And it's very much like his analogy was the difference between Toyota with their so-called stock accelerators, we all remember that, Bogutov scam, As well, compared to General Motors.
Lots of people were dying in the General Motors cars.
And with Toyota, the impact was much bigger from a crisis management perspective because people have a high expectation of quality that Toyota brings.
Yes.
Interesting theory.
I liked it.
But more importantly, you had a couple of inside ditties for me.
First of all, from the Gary Johnson camp, they are looking at what's going on between the Republicans and the Democrats as a possible opportunity for a third-party play, which I'm skeptical of.
It has happened once before.
That was Ross Perot, wasn't it?
No, I'm talking about successful.
Oh.
1856.
Huh.
So, it's overdue.
Who was 1856?
That's when the Republican Party first formed, and then in 1860, within four years, they had a President Lincoln.
Ah, okay.
And before that, it was the Democrats and the Whigs.
Right.
Well, so there's that thinking in the Gary Johnson camp.
And, of course, when Gary Johnson is ready, if we want to interview him, no problem.
We can get anything we want, which might be interesting.
I might interview him.
Yeah, do a side interview.
Yeah, just play some pieces on the show.
Package it.
Yeah, and then we can package it for one of those specials.
He said, of course, you know, that in reality, the president doesn't actually run anything.
It's a lobbyist.
This was him speaking.
It's a lobbyist, which he's won.
And then he had, oh, so he's talking about...
At least he's honest.
Oh, he's a very honest guy.
And he was talking about the Trump campaign.
He knows a lot of the consultants who were there early on.
He said they all quit or were fired.
No one could deal with them because Trump is running the entire show himself.
All the ideas, all the strategies, it's all him.
He won't listen to consultants.
He disagrees with them, doesn't like them, and then eventually gets rid of them, which is something that I always question.
Is this just him?
He must have some advisors, but apparently very, very few other than people who already advise him in his company already.
Yeah, he's winging it.
Winging it, exactly.
That's what makes it interesting.
Exactly.
John Kasich.
I had to retell a story then.
Okay.
I said this story before.
I tell this story, I guess, once every couple of years.
I'm watching television after Walter Mondale was defeated.
This is what year?
Well, you have to look up Walter Mondale when he ran for president.
It was a while ago, in the 80s maybe.
I think 80s, yeah.
And he lost.
And I thought he was stiff.
And he comes on.
He's on the Carson show.
The guy's a laugh riot.
He's doing like Rubio stand-up.
It's like he's funny.
He's got a smile on his face.
He's affable.
He's got a good personality.
And from that moment on, I've always realized that these consultants are the ones who get in there.
No, don't do that.
Don't do this.
Don't do that.
Don't do this.
Don't do that.
Yeah, they're the ones.
Exactly.
We had the same thing happen at PC Magazine when we had a bunch of consultants come in.
Oh, no, no, people don't want that.
Oh, that's like radio station consultants.
They always come in.
Hey, man, don't bank announce that song.
Yeah, you've got to do a little more inflection on WNBC. I mean, that is going on today still.
Yeah, these consultants are full of crap.
And in general.
Well, if you can't do...
No offense to the consultants that listen to the show.
You know.
You know what we're talking about.
Oh, Betty.
You know what we're talking about.
What we're talking about.
So Kasich.
So he knows Kasich.
This guy is a Washington insider.
He's a really good source of dirt.
We talk to him more.
Yeah, well, we talk.
He only came out to drop a few bombs on you so you'd put him on the show so he could leverage it.
Well, yeah, that's the deal.
We promote his article and then we get some shit from him.
This is really good.
The article will be in the show notes.
Kasich, he says he's dealt with this guy in the past.
He says, really nice guy on TV. Total asshole in real life.
You know, it's funny.
I get that impression.
Well, then you nailed it.
Are you serious, man?
No, total a-hole.
A to the hole.
Yeah.
That wouldn't surprise me.
I think a lot of politicians are that way.
I mean, look at Nixon.
I mean, he would seem like an a-hole, but when you heard the tapes, holy mackerel, he was a double a-hole.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cussing all the time.
Couldn't get dirty, foul-mouthed jerk.
Unbelievable.
And so I said, well, you know who else is an a-hole?
I said, Elon Musk.
I'm just throwing stuff out, trying to keep the conversation going.
He says, oh, Elon!
He says, yeah, I covered him in SpaceX as an analyst for a while.
And so, you know how it works?
Yeah, all the subsidies and all that.
And he's not at all enamored with Elon as the great savior.
He said something else.
He said, John McCain, he can barely speak because he has Elon's dick so far down his throat.
What are you talking about?
I never knew this.
If you go back and look at what McCain says about Russia, he has had a number of sessions where he's talking about That's
why he's anti-Russian.
Yes!
Let's put an embargo on the Russians so we can't buy their engines anymore.
And so Elon!
These guys even have any of the United States' interests in mind at all?
Well, Elon!
And McCain's the worst.
And I was surprised.
I said, oh yeah, you have no idea.
This guy's always trying to get SpaceX in.
He's always trying to do stuff for him.
Well, and you know what?
I think they're a match made in heaven.
Perfect.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Exactly.
So I didn't get to see the Academy Awards.
Only a little bit.
Because of...
Oh.
Yeah.
Well, we were late.
So I have no deconstruction.
I don't care.
No one cares anymore.
Well, I didn't get any clips.
But you can tell us.
I can tell you a couple things.
One, it wasn't as good as last year's set.
It also had lower ratings, apparently.
It had really low ratings.
And I wonder why.
Because I watched it.
It's always a decent show.
I will say this.
The last year's set was spectacular.
And I think it won a couple of Emmys for some of the stuff it did.
This year's was kind of dull by comparison.
The set was okay.
But it wasn't like last year, which was fantastic.
But they...
I don't know.
I think the ratings may have dropped down because of what...
And maybe people kind of tune in, but I don't know that you should start this show.
I think, you know, Chris Rock, who I think is hilarious, I don't think you want to start a show like this berating the audience for being a bunch of racists.
Whites.
Whites.
For being white and racist.
I think what I saw is it just kept on going.
It wasn't like, you know, some...
He was pretty funny, but he never wrapped it up in one big statement that we could all take home and say, Thank you, Chris Rock.
You've healed America.
That was, of course, some of the expectation.
Instead, what I saw is the jokes just kept on coming back, and I think we bailed after 45 minutes.
The quality of the stream was no good that we were watching.
I don't know.
It was annoying.
Yeah.
Well, you didn't miss much.
I mean...
I can't think of any of the funny moments where somebody comes up and wins an award.
And they did this new thing, which I actually was the one thing I was impressed with, even though nobody seemed to care, which I was a little baffled by.
The show ended on time.
And in fact, it ended...
Way on time so they could do a full credit roll.
Oh, at a normal speed?
They didn't have to speed it up, push it into the corner to get the promo?
They may have slowed it down as a matter of fact.
We're running late, people.
Speed up the credits and put it in a box so we can promote the next show.
Here we go, people.
They ended on time.
They did the whole credit roll, which I think has been missing because they need the credit that people have put on the show.
It's a very good live show.
And this was because what they did was this little trick.
The person, as soon as they won, except for the big winners, because they didn't prepare for them, which I think was good, too, because in the olden days, the early winners for set design and stuff would come out and ramble on.
It'd take forever, and by the end of the show, the guy who wins Best Actor gets two minutes, and then they play him off, or a minute, or 40 seconds.
So what they did was they said, the winner would like to thank, and then they ran it as a crawler.
And so they ran these, you know, of course, if they're going to do that, you add everybody and their sister on there, my mother, my brother, my, and they have all their names, and they're shooting across the bottom as the guy's saying, I'd like to thank the studios, and then meanwhile at the bottom is all this I'd like to thanks going by all these names.
I thought that was genius.
I didn't like it at first and everyone said, what is this?
But after I saw that the show ended on time, I realized that that's been the big delay.
Who needs to know that somebody who won Best Supporting Actress has to thank her agent and her lawyers and all this other stuff.
Nobody cares!
So they just ran it as a crawler.
Looking back on it, absolute genius.
Feels like you're a little too involved in the show there, John.
Well, we recorded it, so we'll watch it.
No, you don't need to watch it.
Okay, we won't be watching it.
Go watch it.
Maybe a way to get into today's news is...
Just a little.
A way to get into today's news...
Oh, wait.
Back up.
I'm pretty sure that the Oscars would have been tanked in the ratings had they not done all this black-white racism promotion.
That's what I'm thinking.
I believe that people don't care anymore about the show.
Maybe they even overdid it.
They were so tired of it.
I don't know.
I mean, I could live without the Oscars.
Yeah, I think I could.
So far, I'm doing okay.
The one I liked was the Independent Spirit Awards.
Those are better.
Okay, to ease us into today's news, I have just broadcast that Mitt Romney came out to speak about the Republican Party.
I guess he's one of the elites.
I'm always wondering, who is the base?
Who are these elites that everyone talks about?
The top echelon.
Who are these guys?
He'd have to be in there.
He?
Who else?
You know, there's not a lot of names being...
I think a few of the senators...
So it's a bunch of a-holes.
Rance, rinse, rinse and repeat.
He's just a figurehead, Priebus.
He's just a dude.
He's not an elite.
He's just a...
He holds the talking stick.
He holds the talking stick.
Here, you can talk now.
You can do this.
Yeah.
Anyway, so Romney came out, and while we were setting up getting ready for the show, I was taping it, so I had the last two minutes, which are kind of his wrap-up of talking about Donald Trump, and the general idea is he is asking everyone, if you're in Ohio, vote for Kasich.
If Kasich, Kasich, Kasich, what is it, Kasich?
Kasich?
I've heard it pronounced Kasich and Kasich.
Well, we won't have to remember for long because he'll be gone.
No.
If you're in Florida, vote for Rubio.
If you're in Texas, vote for Cruz.
Of course, everyone already did that.
But, you know, the idea is to block Trump as much as possible.
That is the grand strategy of the grand old party.
And here's his wrap-up.
Yeah.
In the past, our presidents have channeled that anger and forged it into resolve, into endurance and high purpose and into the will to defeat the enemies of freedom.
Our anger was transformed into energy directed for good.
Oh, directed energy weapon.
Mr.
Trump is directing our anger for less than noble purposes.
He creates scapegoats of Muslims and Mexican immigrants.
He calls for the use of torture.
He calls for killing the innocent children and family members of terrorists.
Sounds so far like he's on par with Obama.
Sounds about the same.
He cheers assaults on protesters.
He applauds the prospect of twisting the Constitution to limit First Amendment freedom of the press.
This is...
I love when he...
So this is a meme.
There's a lot of memes.
The Hitler thing is one, but now it's all he wants to abolish the First Amendment for libel laws.
Yeah.
Come on.
This is the very brand of anger that has led other nations into the abyss.
Hmm.
Oh, we have that word again.
What nations?
I'm sure he means Nazi Germany.
It has to be that.
I don't know.
Here's what I know.
Oh.
Oh, and then it goes blank.
Donald Trump is a phony.
A fraud.
A phony!
His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University.
Nice.
That's a good one.
Woo!
Woo!
And where's that screamer?
Woo!
Man, this is a mistake.
I'm just realizing they've made a huge mistake.
They never should have let this go like that.
They should have not done this live, or at least done some kind of tape delay.
They should have, you know, put in the Rubio screamer.
Here's how I'd do it.
I don't know anything about it.
Oops.
I don't know anything about it.
You know what?
That doesn't work.
Sorry.
Have the other screamer.
I scream.
Your scream?
Oh, that's probably a good idea.
Hold on.
Have me say something and throw the screamer in.
Yeah.
Okay.
Here we go.
This will be worth all the effort.
Let's back it up a little bit.
Where is he?
Here we go.
Here we go.
I'll keep it ready for the next one.
He's playing the members of the American public for suckers.
He gets a free ride to the White House, and all we get is a lousy hat.
His domestic policies would lead to recession.
His foreign policies would make America and the world less safe.
He has neither the temperament nor the judgment to be president.
And his personal qualities would mean that America would cease to be a shining city on a hill.
I'm convinced America has greatness ahead.
And this is a time for choosing.
God bless us to choose a nominee who will make that vision a reality.
Thank you, and God bless you all.
Thank you.
All right, so week, week, week.
It was one of the, you know what, I'm listening to it, and it ran, I didn't catch it, because it ran this morning.
Yeah.
Which I thought was going to be this afternoon, but okay, fine, screw me.
I think it was one of these deals where it's like, Romney's watching this thing go on and on, and then he sees Trump and Cruz, or not Trump, but Rubio and Cruz.
Rubio's doing his, getting to the point where it's such a stand-up comedy act that it was mocked as such by Colbert.
Yeah.
Oh, you have a clip of that?
No, I don't, because it was a visual thing.
We got to hear all these gags, and then he cuts the Colbert holding the mic out and saying, make sure to tip your waitress.
Well, if we were advising...
Anyway, let me finish.
Romney has been watching these guys and he says, these guys, why don't they just make a statement?
Let me show them how to do it.
And he books the time.
Here's the way you should do it.
And he does the speech.
The way he thinks it should be done, which is you blast the hell out of the guy from some higher ground, which is what kind of he's trying to do there.
It's too late, too little, too late.
I mean, these guys, now they're just making the fools of themselves.
And Rubio, we would have advised him differently.
First of all, I think by now it is time that the mainstream media, now that we have two video clips, that they ask Rubio what he's popping.
Now we have another clip of him popping a pill.
And it's so obvious.
It's embarrassing.
It's almost, you know, it's like he pops this pill in his mouth the way we used to sneak smoke.
So, you know, if our parents happen to be driving by, you know, kind of your hand covering the cigarette.
What is he?
What is he popping?
Is it just a breath mint?
Why does he need a breath mint when he's talking?
A breath mint?
One of those little tic-tac boxes.
No, he has a whole bunch of whatever's in his pocket.
You can see him rummaging around.
He should have done it in a Pez dispensary.
Anyway.
I think it's either Adderall.
I'm sure it's Adderall.
Because it's...
I'm pretty sure.
But someone should ask him at this point.
I think so, too.
What are you taking there, buddy?
Why are you doing stand-up comedy all of a sudden if you take a couple of these pills?
All day.
All day.
Yeah, exactly.
All day yesterday.
They keep showing the loop of Christie behind Donald Trump.
They're making, oh, this was so funny.
Christie's thinking, what am I doing here?
But if you're going to do that, then you should at least ask, what is Rubio popping?
But that's not taking place.
Nice to see Charlie Rose call Rubio out on this con artist meme that Rubio is...
And he hasn't...
All Rubio is talking about is Trump is a con artist.
Trump is a con.
Trump is a con.
Trump is a con artist.
And this, I felt, was a...
The way Charlie Rose, even how he pronounces con artist, he called him out and Rubio failed.
But Donald Trump has had a big night.
And many will say that when you call him a con artist, you are criticizing the...
I like that.
that a con artist like con agra con artist as lady gaga you are criticizing the people who are voting for him well he's a con artist i i don't i don't deny that there are some people that have been taken by his message but look what happened in virginia and virtually every state tonight donald trump did not sweep he lost in oklahoma we were right in the mix we're performing very well in arkansas as well virginia as i point i love how rubio is always talking about we we we, we, we, we.
Never I. It's always we.
He was 15 points ahead of me.
And then we started informing people of who he truly is.
This man is a world-class con artist.
And he is conning people into believing that he fights for the little guy.
This is a guy that defrauded people in Trump University.
And he's doing now to voters what he- Sounds like some talking points to me.
Sounds like what Romney just said.
He did to the people that signed up for that school.
And that's why if you want to stop Donald Trump, I am the only candidate that not only can unite the party, but I can grow it.
And I got party favors.
And that's why I ask you to go on our website, marcorubio.com, and join our team.
Meet me on the dark web.
Despite all that you have campaigned, you are 20 points behind in your home state of Florida, with only two weeks to close that.
That's one now.
Well, first of all, that's just one poll or a couple of...
Nah, nah.
We know that's not true.
Who's we, Rubio?
I'm confident of it, especially after tonight.
We took, in the state of Virginia, in five days, we took a 15 or 20 point lead Donald Trump had and basically narrowed it to nothing.
Okay.
Well, Mr.
Rubio, I would advise you to talk about something else.
I don't know.
I kind of like his comedy.
Yeah, but when he did the Donald Trump small hands joke, I think he pushed it.
Yeah, that was...
This stuff is not being written by him.
No, that was his own punchline.
His timing was once again perfect.
You know what they say about people with small hands.
Everyone's laughing.
They can't be trusted.
It's a good punchline.
It's an old joke.
Very well done.
Yeah.
I think he's also being coached.
Oh, hell yeah.
I've never seen him do this kind of material.
Oh, yeah.
Here's what you say, and here's your pill.
What was that pill?
Two beats.
What was the name of that drug that you take when you go driving for a long distance?
Provigil.
Provigil, yeah.
Maybe that's what he's taking.
No, that stuff doesn't really do that to you.
He needs something that gives him a quick hit right away.
Well, and that takes an hour.
It's got to be some, you know, I was thinking, I mean, the easiest thing, if you want to do the, become a stand-up comic, and anyone who's been in that business knows this, is cocaine.
Yeah, that's the funny drug.
And, you know, you can be hilarious with you.
You get enough cocaine in your chatterbox.
Boom, you're just on your way.
You're good to go.
But he's eating something, so it's not as though he's like, I have a nasal congestion problem, and he's got a little inhaler, and he's like a Vicks inhaler, as it were, and it's filled with coke vaping.
This sounds unlikely.
Yes, it's not what he's doing.
Although you don't know what he's doing between sets.
Yeah.
Sets.
Good set, man.
When he comes off the debate stage, hey man, good set.
Good set.
Good set, everybody.
Yeah, very nice.
So the media just, you know, with this with the Super Tuesday results, the media was just in some ways beside themselves.
They I think they still had a hope that it would all melt down and it wouldn't work out.
And of course, all the polls turned out to be incorrect, which is something that is never discussed after the fact.
But but we still need to keep pushing the idea that in the United States, which is a republic, that the entire situation is equal to that of Germany when Hitler came to power.
It was obviously the same governmental system, the same powers that a president has, and therefore Trump will turn us into Nazi Germany.
Well, here's some math that will trouble both of you, I believe.
And this is how voter turnout looks.
Look at these stark differences.
Did she say math?
Oh yeah, look at the math.
Have you noticed that the word math has now been substituted for calculus?
Oh, that's a good one.
Well, this is all part of the...
I can't think of it now, I'm spacing.
Wait, let me pop a Rubio pill.
Let me pop a Rubio pill and they come back.
Well, here's some math that will trouble both of you, I believe.
And this is how voter turnout looks.
Look at these stark differences between Democrats, for whom voter turnout is less today, yesterday, than it was in 2008, and Republicans, for whom it is exponentially higher.
Look at Virginia, 107% higher for Republicans than it was in 2008.
Oh, yeah.
I remember.
Math slash calculus is all about the fantasy sports league that everyone's playing.
Well, if you have more Democrats coming out voting less, but the arrow's going down and it looks like the red state is just above the blue state, then therefore Hillary will be the king.
That's a problem, Sally, moving forward for Democrats.
You know, I keep talking to Democrat after Democrat who say, well, Trump isn't going to win.
Trump isn't going to win.
He can't win.
Well...
He looks like he's going to win!
And to be honest, that's the biggest motivator, is people have to actually feel something is at stake.
If they're not motivated to go out and vote for, you know, the guy with the progressive economic message that really would finally make this country work for everyone, or the woman who's running with an impeccable and vast record of experience, if that's not enough for people, at least stopping us from becoming Nazi Germany would hopefully get Democrats and others to turn out.
Hold on a second.
Let me summarize what this woman said.
Bernie Sanders will save the country.
Hillary has experience.
And all the Republicans are a bunch of fascist pigs.
Let's check it again.
Who is this person?
This is Sally Cohen.
Sally Cohen.
I don't know Sally Cohen.
Yeah, she's a pundit for CNN. That really would finally make this country work for everyone.
Or the woman who's running with an impeccable and vast record of experience.
She's a felon.
It would finally make this country work for everyone.
Or the woman who's running with an impeccable and vast record of experience.
If that's not enough.
Oh, this is the lesbian.
Which, I don't give a shit that she's a lesbian, but this is the I'm Rachel Maddow on CNN woman.
Do you know who it is now?
No.
I don't watch that much CNN this year.
Look at Sally Cohn.
You know her.
You know her.
You need to look at it.
K-O-H-N. It really would finally make this country work for everyone.
Or the woman who's running with an impeccable and vast record of experience.
If that's not enough for people, at least stopping us from becoming Nazi Germany would hopefully get Democrats and others to turn out.
Yes.
Please help us from becoming Nazi Germany.
Do you see her now?
Did you know she's an Olympic beach volleyball bronze medalist?
Oh no, makes total sense.
CNN political commentator, SAS keynote speaker, mom.
She's not a lesbian, she's a mom.
She's a lesbian who's a mom.
Very old-fashioned thinking of you, John.
This is not really.
She's a mom.
Professional optimist from Brooklyn.
She looks like a jerk.
Yeah.
And then on her Twitter thing, she's got vote as her artwork.
Vote to stop us from becoming Nazi Germany.
How do you have these people on as commentators at all?
Here's her pinned tweet.
This is a tweet, like your pinned tweet of the trailer.
The pinned tweet is, this is not a drill.
Trump could become president, y'all.
Wake up and do something.
Ha ha!
Yeah.
Bill, they finally started to look at Melania, which is good.
We don't hear our potential first lady speaking very much in public.
But Pooper interviewed her.
Pooper is so enamored with her.
He was kind of fawning over the way you often see gay guys and beautiful model-like women.
I was just waiting for Anderson to go, hey girl.
Almost.
He had that goofy look on his face, which is not very professional.
But this is our first kind of experience with Melania speaking, and she sounds like, for sure, her own person.
We are both very independent and let him be who he is, and he let me be who I am.
You don't try to change him?
I don't try to change him.
He's an adult.
He knows the consequences.
And so I let him be who he is.
I give him my opinions many, many times.
You do?
Yes.
And I don't agree with everything what he says.
But, you know, that is normal.
I'm my own person.
I tell him what I think.
I'm standing very strong on the ground, on my two feet.
She's got feet on the ground.
And I'm my own person.
It sounds like they have a very healthy marriage, actually, when listening to this.
I think that's very important in the relationship.
Can you say something where you disagreed with him?
Can you say something mean, please?
Can you just say something mean?
Oh, many things.
Some language, of course.
Language?
Yeah, some language.
Language you hear him using on the campaign show.
Especially, I was in New Hampshire when the woman was shouting out the...
Oh, this was the pussy comment.
...unappropriate word.
Right.
And I was there, and I'm thinking, like, don't repeat it in my head, just for him.
Don't repeat it.
Just don't say it, because the next day, media, all they will talk is about that.
But he repeated.
He's with the momentum.
He goes with the flow.
He goes with the people.
They're having fun.
Everybody was cheering.
And he said it the next day, but he repeated the word.
That was not his word.
So he heard from you about that?
Yeah, I told him that, yes.
Ah, good old Melania.
She sounds nice.
Yeah, she seems pleasant.
Well, we're talking about hot women.
Yeah.
And hot Republican women.
Something that hasn't changed, Caitlin is still a staunch Republican, which led to some heated exchanges during the group's bus travels across the country.
See, we're promoting the Caitlin show again.
New season coming up.
The problem now is...
Everyone's totally okay with Bruce Jenner being Caitlyn Jenner, but the fact that he's a Republican is a brain freeze.
But I'm not blaming it on Republicans and conservatives.
The politics was tough on the bus.
I sit on the Republican side.
When we do get a candidate, I certainly will.
Man, this guy has done nothing for his voice.
He doesn't care.
He does not.
He has done absolutely nothing.
Get a candidate.
Not that you have to, but what I've seen, it's kind of part of the process.
I certainly will talk to them.
And I admit that the Democrats, when it comes as far as trans issues, are better than the Republicans.
All right.
Caitlin getting in, getting grief.
Okay.
Let us go to...
Let me see.
Yeah, this is a good one.
This is the Morning Joe show.
I was just twiddling the dial for days trying to pick up stuff about what people are saying.
This morning, Joe, and this is about the...
Apparently Trump had an off-the-record meeting with the New York Times editorial board.
Yeah, all these guys, especially the TV guys.
The radio guys, not so much, are all over this...
So, first of all, the editorial board, these are the people who do the op-eds and say Trump is Hitler.
It seems like it's rather odd to have an off-the-record meeting with the editorial board.
Does the editorial board even take meetings like that?
Is that typical?
I don't know anything about the...
The agreement was that someone would be on the record, someone would be off the record.
And they recorded the whole thing, and they're not threatening to release.
Well, someone leaked it.
Someone leaked that it even existed.
And that, for...
It seems like...
First of all, the New York Times doing anything off the record seems odd for the paper of record.
But then to leak...
No, there's plenty of stuff off the record.
But they're leaking the fact that something is there.
It's a hit job.
We kind of know what it is.
What is it?
I mean, it's been deconstructed by these guys for a while.
He apparently said that, you know, the stuff I'm talking about, when I'm talking about immigration, I'm not going to really do a lot of this stuff.
I'm not that bad.
Everything's negotiable.
Yeah, everything's negotiable.
That's the way I am.
And don't worry about some of this stuff.
I mean, I say it because people like to hear it and that kind of thing, supposedly, where he's being just amenable.
And the idea, I would think, since it's part of his negotiation strategy, would be to get them to lighten up Let's listen to the Morning Joe deconstruction of what happened.
And here you have the New York Times, supposedly the gold standard, having information from an off-the-record editorial board meeting leaked.
They would never do that in a million years to Hillary Clinton.
They'd never do it to Marco Rubio.
They'd never even do it to Ted Cruz.
Not even in a billion years, Joe.
Do that.
Leak about some kind of off-the-record recording.
It's a great journalism story.
From time to time, the New York Times will make pronouncements about its policies and the handling of on-the-record comments, background, off-the-record, saying that we won't allow off-the-record dispensation to be granted to sources who can talk.
On the record.
So why was the New York Times having an off-the-record editorial board session with a presidential candidate?
Being that it's off the record, why is it leaking now?
Who's leaking it at the New York Times?
What's the policy with regard to attribution at the New York Times?
I'll tell you, if I was running the Donald Trump campaign, every New York Times reporter on that plane would be off of it.
I would kick them off.
Unless they clarify the attributional policies of the newspaper.
I agree with you.
I agree with you.
Every single New York Times reporter should be kicked off the plane, should not be given press access, anything, until the editor of the New York Times explains to the candidate and explains to the readers exactly what happened.
Well, I don't think that's going to happen.
No, it's got to be pointless to kick the reporters off the plane.
MSNBC made me laugh.
You might have seen this clip.
And, you know, after the demise of Melissa Harris Perry, now that she's gone, they're in disarray.
They've been in disarray for a while, but...
Well, Comcast, you know, tends to be Republican.
When they bought NBC, they knew they had to revamp MSNBC, but they had to do it in a kind and gentle way, otherwise they would be called out.
So they've been doing it.
They've been slowly...
That's the way Ed Schultz is out of there, finally.
And he's, you know, working for the...
I actually got a clip from Ed Schultz from RT. I've never seen his show on RT. I can't find it.
He's doing some good stuff.
It's crazy.
He's funny.
He's really doing some interesting things.
He's a madman.
So MSNBC, there may be still some Republican elements in the control room, because there was a setup with a guest, and the whole idea is to say, well, you know, Donald Trump, racist, black people don't want to vote for him.
There's a lot of this.
The commentary continues.
We only have apparently white people and black people in America.
There's no yellow, there's no red, there's no brown, it's only black and white.
I'm so sick and tired of hearing it.
So when this happened, it was funnier than anything I've seen of their race-baiting coverage.
If you're Donald Trump, why would a KKK, white supremacist guy, want people to vote for you?
That's the question that Donald Trump needs to be asked.
Well, the question is also being asked, a lot of attention has been placed on his candidacy, Donald Trump, in the media.
Okay, watch, he just had the controller, he goes...
Okay, we've got a soundbite.
We've got a soundbite.
We're going to go live to the Trump rally and see a lot of those racist assholes.
Now you have reports saying, listen, what about his supporters?
What are we learning about his supporters, the new people truly that he is, to his point, bringing into the fold?
Come on, we've got to go live.
Gabe Gutierrez, actually, Jacob, one of our reporters, and I don't want to quote the wrong reporter here, was just out of the Trump campaign.
I think we have the sound, and my team will have to tell me, where they spoke with some Trump supporters.
Let's play what they said.
Okay, so she gets a message during the interview.
In her ear.
And she's even touching her ear.
You know, one of those Lieutenant Sulu moves.
Yeah.
Oh, we have a reporter.
He's live at the Trump rally.
And, you know, KKK and the hate, you know, supremacy.
And now this is a huge black man sitting in the front row.
I'm from under the rocks all the time around this time this year.
It's got nothing to do with Donald Trump.
We're all Americans.
I think we need to stop with all the racist stuff and the race being like me and my friend right here.
We just met his name.
We was talking.
He's talking to an old white guy next to him.
You know, we got to stop with the racist stuff and this, that.
We're all Americans, man.
And nobody paying big, don't mind.
Now, they come back from this piece.
Clearly, let me just be clear here.
Obviously, the majority of Donald Trump supporters are not African American.
I don't know how many African Americans were in that building, but that is one person that we have chosen to cut that sound from.
Suckered.
That was a good one.
Yeah, that's what's going on at MSNBC. They're going to move in that direction.
They don't know what to do with MSNBC. Clearly, clearly they don't know what to do.
But that was a good one.
Well, the thing that gets me is that nobody in the mainstream, especially on MSNBC, is really writing Hillary about that commentary she made in 1996 during her husband's administration when they passed all these...
Most of the laws that Bill passed...
Crime laws, crime bills resulted in the high rate of black incarceration.
And a lot of the black community, the intellectuals in the black community all know this, and they're not voting for her.
They're voting for Bernie.
Or they'll switch over.
They just won't vote for her.
But I have one little rundown of the latest one.
Another example took place where some black woman or millennial confronted Hillary in public and discussed this about what's this about under your heels.
And it's kind of explained here.
Are you on your heels?
Yeah, you probably didn't follow this.
I missed this.
No, I missed this.
Okay.
Sorry.
Yeah.
You got the clip there?
Yeah, ABC Republican.
That explains it.
...are coming together, uniting...
Right now that's not happening, which is why top Republicans are...
This was ABC Republican Rundown, that's what I said.
Yeah, no, this is from Democracy Now.
So let me see what the clip is called.
It's Hillary and blacks and underheeled, the end.
On the campaign trail, Hillary Clinton has again faced questioning about her controversial 1996 comments about some black youth whom she called super predators.
On Tuesday, Clinton was confronted by a young Somali-American woman during a Clinton campaign stop in a coffee shop in Minneapolis.
She asked the former secretary of state about her super predator comments.
Hey, Hillary, want to buy some weeds?
The quiet back and forth ended with Hillary Clinton growing frustrated and telling the young woman, quote, well, why don't you go run for something then?
This comes about a week after Black Lives Matter activist Ashley Williams confronted Hillary Clinton about her comments during a private fundraiser in Charleston, South Carolina.
South Carolina thing was funny because this woman came in with a big sign.
And it had to do with blacks are predators and they should be put under our heel.
Under our heel, wow.
Our jackbooted heel.
Yeah, something like that.
I mean, that's what the inference was.
And it's gotten a lot of play in the progressive side of things.
And democracy now is all over.
They had that Ashley girl from Black Lives Matter on the show going on.
Very, very sharp, this girl.
And this is going on as an undercurrent.
Even you haven't heard about it.
it that's because nobody else except the super progressives that are all in for Bernie are talking about it and even Bernie doesn't really talk about it even though he has hinted that bill and passed these laws that has resulted in half the black community being in jail or on their way and and a lot of blacks kind of know about it but they're all progressive or they're for Bernie already the majority of the black communities you can tell by the results in South Carolina and elsewhere Georgia that they haven't got a clue okay
well whatever we like her what I find so disturbing and basically disgusting is how black Americans are being abused in this entire race by both sides As long as we can get blacks, then we're good to go.
They love us.
They don't love you.
They love us.
They love him.
Black Americans should rise up and say, screw this crap.
Van Jones should be the guy they put up front as screw this crap.
Something happened on CNN which became their main focus.
It's been that way for the past 36 hours.
It was after the debate and it was Van Jones who used to work for President Obama.
He's like an all-in climate guy.
Yeah, professional commentator.
And also on the panel was Jeffrey Lord.
And Jeffrey Lord, I recognize his face, I think he's also just a CNN guy, but he apparently has been on the Trump train since the beginning and said, no, this is going to work, this guy is going to do it.
So now he's on every single show because he's the guy that called Trump as a winner.
And he's getting a lot of grief, but what happened is Van Jones turned this into a huge racial issue.
I mean, really, really disturbing what his initial premise for this argument was.
It was beautiful to watch, and it was on late.
For the first time on any cable news program, two people were kind of being real.
Oh, wow.
There's an actual argument.
It's not scripted.
They're going at each other.
And the Jeffrey Lord guy, when he was essentially being called a racist and protecting a racist, and then he turns around and says, you know, this is exactly what the Democrats and the liberals do.
You always use race to divide.
And the thing was, it was really the two sides that we have discussed on the program many times, butting heads against each other.
It's long, so when we want to dump out, we can dump out.
And then I have a follow-up where Van Jones is, you know, he's like the second coming of Martin Luther King, about him having the courage to have this conversation.
So you game for listening a bit of this fight?
Yeah, go.
The things that Donald Trump has done, and not just in this race, are horribly offensive.
You can go back with this guy for a long time.
I want to talk.
I want to talk.
I didn't say anything yet.
You breathe.
Now, they're sitting next to each other, and Van Jones does something continuously, which I really dislike.
When he says, let me talk, let me finish, or whenever he's making a point, he takes his right hand and he puts it on the guy's shoulder, and he's holding his shoulder while he's talking in his face.
It was really, really aggressive.
You can go back to the Central Jogger case, where he came out and had innocent black kids winding up in prison.
No, innocent kids.
Hold on a second.
Innocent black kids.
Listen, hold on a second.
We have a big problem at this point now.
I think the guy called it properly right off the bat.
He said, Donald Trump, innocent black kids.
Because I agree with you about a lot.
I think that we have taken him not seriously.
We have not respected his voters.
But there is a dark underside here.
Dark.
And Essie is right.
He is whipping up and tapping into and pushing buttons that are very, very frightening to me and frightening to a lot of people.
Now, so he feels threatened as a black man is what I'm hearing him say.
Number one.
When he is playing funny with the Klan, that is not cool.
Hold on a second.
I know this man when he gets passionate about terrorism.
I know how he talks about terrorism.
The Klan is a terrorist organization that has killed...
A leftist terror.
You can put whatever label you want, that's your game to play.
We're not going to play that game.
You need to take a serious look at the fact that this man is playing fast and loose and footsie.
When you talk about terrorism, he gets He's passionate.
He says, no, this is wrong.
But when you talk about the Klan, oh, I don't know, I don't know.
That's wrong.
And then you came on the air, and you said, well, this is just like when Reverend Wright was speaking.
Reverend Wright never lynched anybody.
Reverend Wright never killed anybody.
Reverend Wright is an anti-Semite.
Reverend Wright never put anybody on a post.
And you guys play these word games, and it's wrong to do in America.
It is wrong to understand that these are not leftists.
What difference does it make if you call them a leftist?
They call them chipmunks.
They kill people.
And you don't play games with that.
So his problem, Van Jones' problem, is that Trump, when he talks about terrorism, he's really mad and angry and aggressive.
But when it comes to racism against black Americans, he's not aggressive enough.
This is the premise of the whole argument.
You're right, you're right.
And you don't hide and say that's not part of the base of the Democratic Party.
That has been, they were the military arm, the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party, according to historians.
For God's sake, read your history.
Listen, I'm not, I don't know, I don't care.
This whole attitude of dividing by race is still here, and this is how Democrats do the deal.
I don't care how they voted 50 years ago.
I care about who they killed.
I care about American history.
It counts.
You have stood with Donald Trump.
Now let's take a break for a second.
Is that true?
By the way, it's Ku Klux Klan.
I hear one more person say Ku Klux Klan.
Were they a leftist terrorist organization?
They weren't leftists, they were Democrats.
Better.
Well, he doesn't want to hear about it, Arvan.
And you have made a case...
Well, this is kind of interesting because there's a...
When arguments start taking place, for example, he starts talking about the killings that the Ku Klux Klan managed to orchestrate, which was a while ago.
But meanwhile, he's talking about who's killing who, and then he accused somebody of being a murderer, but...
David Dukes, not mentioned, but he's in the conversation, and he hasn't killed anybody.
If he did, he should be in jail.
And the whole thing's mixed up because of this.
The Democrats have, and I think Hillary's little commentary about the blacks should be under our heel.
It proves it.
It's almost like a giant scam because the Republicans are the ones who historically have benefited the blacks the most.
Including Lincoln.
Well, mainly.
But what happened over time is that, and this began just during Nixon or maybe before, they decided to, because it was always locked, the Democrats had the South.
And they were called Dixiecrats.
They were renamed kind of...
But all of the South was just run by Democrats.
And the voting rights problems and all the rest of it was all instituted by Democrats.
It was all Democrat structure.
And the Republicans, I think just prior to Nixon, realized that if they could take over the South with this so-called Southern strategy, which was the kind of usurp...
What the Democrats were up to and kind of go in there as...
Unfortunately, I think it's a negative thing, but they came in as kind of faux racists in the South to kind of move the Democrats out of their position so we can outdo you and we're better for these groups.
And they came and took over the South.
And with that, they had all this leverage to win a lot of elections.
And they won Nixon and Reagan.
All these guys used the Southern strategy to get in office because they could sweep the South pretty much.
And it wasn't enough to take the whole country because the big states are Pennsylvania and Ohio and California, which are Democrat states.
Generally, Ohio does swing both ways.
California, no, all Democrats.
And so what you ended up with was this very strange mix of one side being on one side, flip-flopping this way, that way.
And so this kind of argument, if you don't have a historical perspective, leads to what Van Jones comes up with, which is Republicans are all bad and they suck.
And they're racist and they hate black people.
And that's it.
But what's worse is he's shouting down the guy saying, excuse me, this is American history.
It does count.
And this is what the Democrats have done historically.
And so he just doesn't want to hear it.
I care about American history.
It counts.
You have stood with Donald Trump.
And you have made a case for Donald Trump when nobody else wanted to.
And you've earned the respect of an awful lot of people.
But when you do not acknowledge that he did not answer that question with a passion, he's answered with...
Other terrorist organizations.
You do yourself a disservice.
He has made this point over and over and over again.
This is a media thing here.
Did he make a mistake?
Sure, but he has said this many, many times.
I've gone back and looked.
He's well on record over and over and over again on this.
It's worse than that, sir.
It's worse than that.
That whole thing with those central jogger kids.
He got the entire city of New York whipped up on this idea that these kids had done something wrong.
This has got to be something that's coming out.
If you keep saying central jogger kids, he means central park jogger kids.
There's something brewing with this.
There's something that's going to come to the forefront about Donald Trump's reaction.
I remember this.
Was this late 80s?
Yeah, this was a while ago.
Late 80s.
I was in New York.
And I don't recall everyone saying Donald Trump screwed those black kids, but maybe I wasn't aware at the time.
It's possible.
But Van Jones, this is the second or third time.
It's like a setup.
It's a setup.
And then when it turned out they were innocent.
We all make mistakes.
Right.
He never apologized for those kids.
Oh, he never apologized.
And that's a stain on him.
And you can walk through time after time where he's done stuff like that.
The stuff he said about Native Americans being, you know, criminal organizations and monsters.
He said so many things.
But, Van, what you're doing right here, what you're doing here is dividing people.
We're all Americans here, Van.
You are dividing people.
This is what liberals do.
You are dividing people by race.
I am not.
This is what liberalism is all about.
The Klan divides people by race.
You have to divide by race.
The Klan killed people by race, and he had the opportunity.
And they did it to further the progressive agenda.
Why didn't you?
Listen, that is, first of all, so absurd.
It is not absurd.
The Democratic Party of the South in the old days was a racist party, and you are correct, sir.
They were a violent party, and you are correct, sir.
How do you think we got Weber Wilson elected?
But hold on a second.
What does that mean?
What does that mean?
Well, what happened, Wilson got in because the Republican, it's kind of funny, because you may be seeing that again, but Teddy Roosevelt was the president before, and the Republicans decided to run another guy.
And so they ran some guy in the convention.
I forgot who it was.
But Roosevelt says, that's bullcrap.
I'm going to run it myself.
And he ran under the Bull Moose Party, created a new party.
The Bull Moose, cool.
So they split the Republicans and Wilson waltzed in.
And...
Okay.
That's one of the problems.
Everyone always points to that as a problem with trying to redo what happened in 1856 with the Republicans.
But, yeah.
That's what he's talking about.
We've got a minute to run here.
A bit obscure.
So what are you talking about that for?
You played these games.
It is the Democratic Party of today.
The Democratic Party of today divides by race.
I have a kid.
Seven years old.
Right.
He can't even watch.
I used to let one of them say, I don't want you watching the Kardashians.
I want you watching the news so you can learn something.
You know what?
Watching all this nonsense in your party, he turns around and he says, you know, Dad, you're a liar.
He doesn't even know what the word means, but he sees so much vitriol from your party.
He brings that into our house.
Now we've got to have him watch, you know, Nick Jr.
He can't even absorb civics because of what's going on in your party.
The circus wing in your party.
What?
His kids are being corrupted by Donald Trump.
This is horrible.
Man, this is horrible.
What a stretch.
Do not play and tell Donald Trump.
I know you.
I trust you.
Tell Donald Trump he needs for my children's sake, for the children's sake of America, if he's going to leave this country, he needs to be as passionate about what is happening to people in my community as anybody else.
We have to be passionate.
We have to, as President Kennedy used to say in that Birmingham speech, that race has no place in American life or law.
That's what we have to do.
And we have lost that totally because the Democratic Party insists on dividing people by race, and it's wrong.
It's morally wrong.
So this became, you know, like they were doing soundbite after soundbite, and oh, look at this, and of course, you know, Van Jones, you know, defending the black man, because Donald Trump wasn't angry enough about, you know, the Ku Klux Klan and David Duke so-called endorsement.
Which, agree, totally mishandled that.
I'm not quite sure.
None of the optics of that were good the way he did that.
That's not good at all.
It was a PR mess.
Poorly executed.
Very poorly executed.
And there's no reason for him to do it because he's already...
He doesn't have to do that.
Here's what's weird about it.
He's already on the record because they have these clips of him from 2008 going off on the Klan and Duke.
Yeah.
That's what's odd.
That's what's odd.
But you know what?
You know, you and I know lots of people like Donald Trump.
Lots of rich, powerful people.
And if we took Occam's razor for a moment, and maybe Trump is going to do exactly what he says.
He'll build a wall.
He'll fix the stuff with China and help the veterans.
And that's all he's going to do.
And he'll hook up with Putin, which I like.
I like the Putin thing.
I think the Putin thing's got more...
It has more legs than anyone realizes.
I think that's the key to the Republican hatred of him.
The Republican strategy right now seems to be to...
Not to separate white and black, but separate the Russians and the United States.
We were supposed to be partners after the fall of the Soviet Union.
And they were supposed to work together.
And the Russians are a little sketchy with some of the stuff they do.
But to create this second Cold War...
For no apparent reason, with the strategy of taking these seven countries and taking over the Middle East and being the warmongers, it just doesn't seem like the right way to go.
And only Trump is the one who is promoting this idea of detente, which is an old word, with the Russians.
And here, play that NBC clip that you were going to play again.
This is the rundown, as we speak, of what's going on and the kind of attacks that the...
I do want to come back to this Van Jones thing after this.
Yeah, you come back to that.
I ask you to prayerfully consider our coming together.
Uniting...
Right now that's not happening, which is why top Republicans are sharpening their knives in a last-ditch effort to stop Trump.
Mitt Romney tomorrow delivering a major speech laying out the case against the billionaire.
Piling on, a slew of top Republican donors and conservative groups planning to blanket the airwaves with anti-Trump ads.
Trump picks on workers and widows.
He won't do a thing to China and Mexico.
On Super Tuesday, Trump in his palatial Palm Beach Golf Club watching election returns.
Just got to stop it there.
Well done on the hall looking like the White House.
Well done, Mr.
Trump.
Did you see that?
And they used the word palatial, by the way.
Oh, yeah.
Which is not necessary.
Yeah, it was very good.
It looked like the White House.
I think it looks like that anyway.
I like that.
But good production.
Campaign juggernaut rolling on and over his opponents.
Tonight, Dr.
Ben Carson indicating he'll soon drop out.
Right now, the only establishment name in Trump's corner, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie.
So many people examining his face last night, standing behind the billionaire.
Today, six New Jersey papers calling on Christie to resign, writing, we're fed up with Governor Chris Christie's arrogance.
We're disgusted with his endorsement.
Wow, that's like me reading an email.
Do you hear what he's doing?
We're disgusted.
He's doing a voice.
Fed up with Governor Chris Christie's arrogance.
We're disgusted with his endorsement of Donald Trump.
His daughter voice.
We're disgusted with the endorsement of Donald Trump.
His arrogance.
We're disgusted with his endorsement of Donald Trump.
What an embarrassment.
What an utter disgrace.
Donald Trump brushing it all off, setting his sights on Hillary Clinton.
She wants to make America whole again, and I'm trying to figure out what is that all about.
Make America great again is going to be much better than making America whole again.
That was such an easy open door they left for him.
It's going to be a very interesting race ahead.
Tom Yama is with us live from Michigan tonight.
And Tom, Dr.
Ben Carson has dropped out of the Fox debate tomorrow night.
What does this mean?
That's right, David.
His campaign is now winding down.
But what many people are talking about, what many people are going to be watching at that debate, Donald Trump is going to be face-to-face with one of his biggest enemies.
Fox News' Megyn Kelly.
You'll remember they had that epic war of words in the first ever debate this campaign season.
Tomorrow night, she's one of the co-moderators.
All right, Tom Yamas leading us off tonight.
Tom, thank you.
Yeah, controversy.
Tom Yamas is one of the many shouters on ABC. It seems that network news guys, when they're field reporters, they have to shout the story.
And they shout and shout and shout.
But he is the one, ABC is an anti-Trump station, we know that.
They were the Jeb Bush group, but now they don't know what they're doing.
And I think it's still good to follow what they do, because it's a lot of shouting from the reporters.
Lots of shouting, yeah.
And careful contemplation by David Muir.
So Don Lemon last night, late last night, had Van Jones on again.
And Van is now on every show as well because he stood up.
So here we have two black guys.
And I learned a couple things.
And it was something that this Lorde guy said at the very end of that first clip.
It was an educational moment.
But in the whole...
This segment is like, oh God.
Dan Jones is here with me now.
Deeply personal for you.
Deeply personal, this argument.
Yeah, that was completely unplanned, Don.
We literally had, we were supposed to be talking about the Republican Party, the Russian Republican Party.
Actually, I wasn't even going to say anything at all.
And somehow, we wind up in this conversation.
That'll be the day!
I don't think either of us expected to have live on the air.
Don, as you know, sometimes people have conversations in the green room.
You don't have them on set.
We had that green room parking lot conversation right there on the set.
This is a very nice little quote we've got because that is the problem with mainstream media in general.
All the good stuff never makes it onto the air because it's scripted.
It's completely controlled.
It's time to hit the commercial break and the top of the hour.
This is why we never speak to each other except on the program, because you miss all the beauty of it.
And I agree, it was a very nice segment, a human segment on CNN for the first time in as long as I've been watching the place.
And I think there were tears in the eyes of people, camera people.
Oh, bullcrap.
Did you have tears in your eyes listening to it?
Because it was a black man and a white man.
He didn't say fear?
No, he said tears in their eyes.
Tears in the camera people were crying.
Camera people and other people at the break.
I mean, it was a cathartic moment for everybody there.
This guy is so full of himself.
Yeah, because we solved the racial tension.
It trended worldwide.
It trended worldwide!
This whole bigger thing.
It became this whole bigger thing.
It's a whole bigger thing now because it's Van Jones.
It was a cathartic moment for everybody there.
And then, of course, it trended worldwide and turned into this whole bigger thing.
But just in the intimacy of a bunch of people who've worked together for so hard, so long during this primary season.
Oh, it's such hard work.
A lot of emotion just came out.
Yeah, listen, I was transfixed by...
Now, this is interesting.
I learned something.
I stopped getting dressed last night, and I watched this, and I kept saying, I wish I was there, I wish I was there.
You know why I wish I was there?
Because we often have these conversations on the show, you and I. Even sometimes you and I disagree on certain things, and we have these sort of heart-to-heart moments, which is what you should do.
But the whole point of, the thing that got me was the whole idea that this somehow has to do with ideology, that it somehow has to do with the right versus the Democrats and the Ku Klux Klan.
I didn't understand what that had to do with anything.
Well, it's unfortunate because there's a small part of the right that has this revisionist history where they want to say everything in the world that ever happened was the left.
So Hitler was a leftist.
The Klan is a leftist.
Is that true?
Was Hitler a leftist?
I don't think so.
I mean, it's questionable.
I mean, you have to look at what's interesting is the fascist movement, which he was part of.
Van Jones.
Only it became National Socialism.
So you could say because the word socialism existed, it was corporatism, it was leftist.
So you can kind of vaguely make that argument.
But the thing that's always noteworthy is that fascism itself, which began in the late 20s, was an academic movement, which was, I'd say you could...
The academic scene was very similar.
It always is, which tends to be lefty.
Wrong is wrong.
It doesn't matter if it's left or right.
Exactly.
And there's horrible people on the right, and horrible people on the left, and there's horrible racists and bigots on the right, and horrible racists and bigots on the left.
Why are we having this conversation?
The question is, Yeah, why?
Why, Van?
Why are you having this conversation?
Right now, the Klan is not endorsing Hillary Clinton.
The Klan is not endorsing Bernie Sanders.
The Klan is endorsing Donald Trump, which is an opportunity for...
Which is not entirely true.
A guy who used to be in the Ku Klux Klan did not endorse.
He said go out and vote for Trump.
We don't know who the Klan is endorsing.
No.
And I think Duke was, is it 40 years ago maybe that he was in the Klan?
A while back.
He's a douche, but it's not factually correct.
Donald Trump to stand up and do what Reagan did.
When the Klan tried to endorse Reagan, Reagan took them to the woodshed.
Is that true?
Not that I know of.
It was ugly.
Van Jones wasn't around then, or barely.
I barely remember that.
Expecting that from a Trump, and instead you get, well, I disavow, okay?
Let's move on.
And that, to me, is a very sad moment.
This is his whole point, is he wanted...
Trump to be more...
The words don't matter, it's the way he said it that ticked Van Jones off.
This is interesting.
And listen, if the Klan is a leftist organization, they'd be endorsing Bernie Sanders.
But why are we having that conversation?
The question is not just why is Trump not pushing away hard from this group.
If ISIS endorsed Trump, Trump would go crazy.
If Al-Qaeda endorsed Trump, Trump would go crazy.
We have a terrorist organization in the United States, and white supremacists since 9-11 have killed more Americans than Muslims, than Muslims have killed, than jihadists have killed.
And so if you're going to be an anti-terrorist leader, which is what Trump is supposed to be, you should be hard on al-Qaeda, you should be hard on ISIS, and you should be hard on the clash.
So Van, listen, the other thing that I found, and you know...
Here's the learning moment, John.
For white men, a learning moment.
As you said, Jeffrey Lord, we have him on.
Jeffrey Lord is a nice man.
He is.
But I don't understand he understands how offensive it is when people say, oh, that Dr.
King wanted a colorblind society.
That's not what Dr.
King wanted.
Dr.
King wanted people to recognize people for their qualities, for their fuller lips, their bigger nose, their darker skin, whatever.
Whatever it is that you bring into the society culturally, but in spite of that, or because of that, to judge people on their content of character.
Who wants to live in a colorblind society?
That's disingenuous.
I see you as black.
I see blonde hair.
I see blue eyes.
I see people who are Asian.
I see yarmulkes.
Am I not supposed to see all those things?
I'm supposed to love my brother because of their differences, not to be blind to them.
You know, whenever somebody tells me, well, you know, man, I'm just colorblind, I say, you might want to see a doctor.
Good point.
I think I've probably said that in the past.
Well, you've been bitching about your eyesight for some time.
No, but I think that is an incorrect interpretation.
And it's kind of like men saying, I'm a feminist.
Like, I'm colorblind.
I think that's good.
That's a good one.
Yeah, you're not colorblind.
I'm a male lesbian.
Anyway, I learned something there, and I agree, but I need to correct myself.
I would say that that's something that...
It's a good takeaway.
Yeah, it's fine.
I mean, Van Jones, otherwise, there's nothing I can do about that.
With that, I think I should thank you for your courage and passion, send you love and light, and say, in the morning to you, John C, where the C stands for content of character, Dvorak.
Yeah, well, in the morning to you, also in the morning, all ships and sea bloops up in the ground, feed in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
In the morning to the chat room, hey, everybody, how you doing?
I know agendascream.com.
In the morning to our artists, in particular, I want to say in the morning to Baron Nussbaum, Who brought us the artwork for episode 803.
Title of the show, Joe Hitler.
And it was our first president, George Washington, with a Make American Great Again Trump hat.
Yeah, that's good.
I picked up one of those at the rally.
I have a red one that somebody sent me in the mail.
One of the originals.
Did you get a white one or a red one?
I got a blue one.
I didn't even know there were blue ones.
I got one that's made in China.
I thought that was funnier than the...
But I didn't want to get the official one.
I got the one...
I never looked to see if this was made in China.
No, I got the one that wasn't actually on the premises, but kind of where you're walking from parking your car.
Oh, the bootlegs.
Yeah, the bootlegs.
Like, I need this blue hat, which is made in China.
Perfect.
That's funny.
Yeah.
So the newsletter went out.
Did that work?
Did everything go okay?
Are we happy with that?
It wasn't that good.
I mean, I think it went out, but nobody cares.
I mean, this is a moment in, you know, this happens every year.
At some point we have, you know, disinterested.
I don't know why.
Maybe show 808 will pick things up because 808 is two lucky Chinese numbers.
And that could maybe...
Oh, that would be nice, 808.
And 808 is a palindrome.
Yeah.
So I think 808 could be useful.
You mean 808?
Not 808.
Yeah, 808.
No.
No.
808.
That's three numbers.
808's no good.
808.
808 is 8,008.
No, 80.08.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Gotcha.
$80.08.
I gotcha.
Yeah, $80.08.
So our first executive producer...
It's got a dot in the middle.
Our first executive producer sent us the War and Peace.
Yeah, he sent us his novel as his comments here.
That's the Sir Edward of Bridgewater in Bridgewater, New Jersey.
And I don't know quite what we should read here.
Well, I think if you get to the opening three lines, you'll see that he's stoned.
Hey, man!
I'm hearing a ringing sound!
Ha!
Much like that made by a Tibetan bowl.
And that's when I realized my commands is now the captain's chair of a starship which is hurtling headlong into an asteroid field.
Atop the largest asteroid is Jerry Hall, but not the old fogey fucking Jerry of today, but the young rock star Jerry.
This guy's profane.
Very profane.
As she appeared on the cover of the fifth Roxy Music album, and the ringing sound morphs into...
What is he?
He's stoned on LSD. No, he had Xanax in blueberry cookies.
Oh.
Is that what he says later?
He says the biggie, while sitting on my throne enveloped in a haze of...
I began to slide down the slide into oblivion.
Jerry grabs my hand and pulls me up when I realize the asteroid is now Mount Rushmore and I'm holding Ava Marie Saint's hand and it's me saving her when suddenly Ava becomes Dvorak, at which point I lose my grip and John plummets to the rocks below shouting, douchebag! - Big!
As he descends to his demise.
I fall back through Roosevelt's eyes and then I'm in a dark room, strapped into a real throne, and through the door walks Uma Thurman.
So we can kind of guess his age by these women he's idolizing.
I'm guessing 50.
And it goes on and on.
It was his entire story.
I don't know why...
It's a fun little...
He should consider writing a little giblet on Amazon.
He should.
I would read it.
I would read this.
I'm telling you, the way it starts is dynamite.
Just throwing in a bunch of random stuff.
And he has a birthday.
Does he want a jingle or something?
No, he doesn't.
No, no.
But he has a birthday.
Well, thanks, sir, Edward, for the enlightenment into where your brain works.
And blueberry and Xanax.
Xanax.
Brexit of champions.
Xanax is not something that's good for you.
But it tastes great.
Anyway, Duke Thomas Nussbaum came in with $301 in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
Duke Nussbaum, he says, here.
I, the show.
Here, I, the show is going great.
No, no.
The show is going great, he says.
You'll see Adam on the road soon.
Give me a shout-out.
Oh, he wants to, for the $300, he wants to get out of my vagina, look at the juice, and yum.
And maybe the scream.
Vag...
Plus karma, I'm guessing.
He wants juice?
Juice.
I was so enamored with the previous note that I hadn't gone ahead and worked ahead yet.
Juice, what was the last one?
Sorry.
Oh, scream.
Scream.
And a karma.
Okay.
Okay.
And my headphones are also, all of a sudden, decide to provide a little bit of feedback.
Joseph Gilbert.
I'm not sure why it's doing that.
Get out of my vagina!
Oh my gosh!
Can you see that juice?
You've got karma.
There you go, sir.
Nice moment.
Thank you very much for the artwork on the previous show.
Good work.
So we have Joseph Gilbert here, and I'm looking in the email.
I don't see anything.
I can do a quick check.
If I look for Gilbert, I find nothing.
So we'll have to wait for him to send us another note.
If he sent a note in the first place.
Anyway, Joseph Gilbert, parts unknown, $300.
Okay.
John Glover.
Those are our executive producers.
And now we have one associate executive producer and then we're done.
John Glover in Zilla, Washington.
If there even is a Zilla.
Please say this on the air for correction purposes.
Oh, hold on a second.
Was it Brian Gilbert?
No, Joseph.
I'm sorry, I got nothing.
Keep going.
Okay.
Thanks for the mention of Cultura Winery on show 803, but I have a correction.
Adam said I am a retired NSA employee.
I don't remember you saying that.
Yeah, that was the wine I got from one of our subs under the water guys, and he said this is a retired agent, and he now has wine.
What was he doing in his sub?
No, his friend was at the meetup who was in his sub.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
He says, I've never worked for any government agency, let alone the white-haired guys.
It doesn't mean really mostly CIA. I don't know if the NSA guys have white hair.
But of course, that's what...
I think they'd shoot them up with something when their hair turns white.
It's the only thing I can think of.
Just read the note.
Oh.
But of course, that's what a government agent would say.
If I was a government agent, I would have known that you both were broadcasting in your underwear the whole time, too.
Which is probable.
Indeed.
Indeed.
Me and my wife are just lifelong farmers that have a passion for red wine.
Also, the wine is only $40, not $100.
Show me your address so I can give you some out to you both.
Well, we drank it.
We drank our $40 bottle.
It was dynamite.
I never got a bottle, so I'll send him my address.
And I think that concludes our little group of producers.
Yes.
Producers and executive producers for show 804.
Oh, my.
Remind people, we do have a show coming up on Sunday's short week.
Yes, we do.
Dvorak.org slash NA is the place to go and help us out.
Yes, please remember us for the coming program.
Maybe just a quick little new jingle we got in.
Just when you thought the no-no-nos could not get any better, Conan Salada brought us a new one.
Okay, you know what?
No, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no.
What?
Listen, you're in my house, drinking the booze.
No, no, no, no.
Shame on you.
Outstanding.
Outstanding.
Definitely a ten-pointer.
Especially if you're drinking the booze.
Very well done.
Dvorak.org slash N-A. All right, you may not be able to support us financially.
What the hell was that?
We'll try that again.
Maybe if you can't support us financially, you can always go out and propagate the formula.
Our formula is this.
Christ.
We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
Hey, citizens.
Shut up, slave.
Shut up, slave.
Somebody complained to me that I hit the gong, and he's got his headphones on.
It hurts.
Well, I have my Zenergy chime, John.
I have this Zenergy solo chime.
chime.
Here it is.
That thing is amazing.
Does it ring that long?
Yes!
It's still going.
Oops, I hit the mic.
And you know what?
When I hear this chime, I just stop and I become calm.
And I think, donate.
Anyway, so is the gong overmodulated?
No, it's not overmodulated.
It's some certain frequency that cuts through.
It does something to the processing, but it overrides everything.
It doesn't matter what I do.
When you hit the gong, I cannot even get over the gong sound, no matter what's playing.
It's a beautiful frequency.
I like it.
I wonder what it is.
I should bring the big gong up here and see if that does anything.
Although it's huge.
Big gong Dvorak.
I got the big gong.
You know, sad news, John.
It finally happened.
You had already set me up for it.
You had set me up for it.
And you told me it was coming and I was hopeful that it wouldn't happen.
A very sad day.
Sad day in American history.
It did take place.
It all happened overnight.
Restock inventory of groceries, souvenir items, all the computers needed to be changed out, all the cash registers.
You know, you think about it, you're going from one company to another.
Yosemite National Park undergoing a full makeover.
Hundreds of signs now displaying new names for several old iconic landmarks.
Curry Village is now Half Dome Village.
Awani Hotel is now the majestic Yosemite Hotel.
Pfft!
The majestic Yosemite Hotel.
Curry Village, gone.
How did these guys get a hold of these things as copyrighted trademarks?
Well, this is the issue of the report, so we'll continue.
Yosemite Hotel.
The name changes come as Aramark takes over as a new concessionaire.
The previous one, Delaware North, leaving with a few stones left unturned.
During the course of its contract, park ranger Scott Gediman says Delaware North filed to trademark the iconic names without the knowledge of the park.
However, we as the National Park Service do not feel that these trademarks are valid.
So the park is fighting back.
So if someone else trademarked the names, then it's not a part of the deal.
That's what's happening.
The new guys coming in, they can't or they don't want to purchase the old names or whatever the issue is.
They want $50 million.
Is that what they want?
$50 million?
Yeah.
It's worth it.
No, it's not.
They've brought a lawsuit against Delaware North, and in addition, they filed a petition with the United States Patent and Trademark Office asking them to cancel the standing trademarks, which is why the signs are temporary.
The history of these properties goes back, you know, in Prairie Villages, for example, way over 100 years.
Yes.
These names belong to the American people.
It's public domain.
It belongs to the American people, he said.
American people.
It belongs to the American people.
Camp Curry.
Curry Village.
What are you doing, people?
...and that these names belong to the American people.
Yes, I agree.
I relinquish my name for that.
Because they even trademarked the name Yosemite National Park, the new merchandise created by Aramark only features the name Yosemite.
I really don't care for it too much at all, but I'll still remain to come up here and enjoy this beautiful place.
Visitors say they just want everything to stay the same.
I'm sad to see that it's getting broken apart.
Where are the lawyers?
Well, this is all about one thing.
And by the way, Sir Bemrose, if you were listening, I said that John had told me this was happening, and this is now the information about why it's happened and what the problem is.
Be quiet.
The memories that were here, you just want to associate it, I think, with the names and stuff that you already knew, you know.
Here it comes.
This is all for one big benefit to the American people for Yosemite Park.
Under the contract, Aramark plans to remodel several of the park's restaurants and concessions while also bringing new food items to the menus.
The contract will last for the next 15 years.
Fantastic new food items in Yosemite.
This is well worth it.
Sad.
Kale.
Sad.
It's just sad.
I have a couple.
Actually, I'm looking at my clips.
I have the opportunity for a clip blitz at the end of the show.
We haven't done that for a while.
And that might keep people listening.
Let me see.
Okay, I'll keep this one.
Red 33!
Yes!
I'll put it there for the end of the show.
We'll be ready for it.
I do have a clip that might lead into something I believe you're working on.
Okay, what you got?
This is the FBI versus Apple, a second case.
In a victory for privacy advocates, a federal judge has rejected an FBI request to force Apple to unlock a drug dealer's iPhone.
Monday's ruling came hours before Apple and the Obama administration face off in a congressional hearing today over Apple's refusal to help the FBI break into the iPhone of one of the San Bernardino massacre suspects.
That's in a separate case.
Yes, that's right.
Okay, while we're at it then, we've got one more little prelude to what you're going to report on.
Okay.
And this I picked up on the Outnumbered show.
This is where you have a bunch of women.
And one dude.
And one dude.
And you don't get to hear the dudes.
Otherwise known as the Mormon show.
You don't get to hear the dude at all, but you get to hear these women.
Interesting, and this is on Fox, so it's interesting how they're so against the FBI and pro-Apple with this discussion they have that is a little, it's a two-minute clip.
Surely it's a conversation.
It's a conversation, but they go into a bunch of interesting memes, and then they really, I think the end of it is kind of priceless.
I'm not sure which clip it is, though, John.
Chicken Coop.
I could have known.
Andrea and many out there are speculating that this is about much more.
This is about the FBI and the government wanting to always be able to get into those iPhones.
And this isn't a one-off situation, but the government is very good at making this look like it is a one-off scenario.
The way they put it, and it stuck with me, the government said we're asking Apple to remove the vicious guard dog that hurts national security so that we can pick the lock.
Oh, wow.
As if this is just a one-house or a one-phone situation, which it's turning out it very much is not.
Yeah, but that also, Sandra, makes Apple a villain in this entire situation.
You're going to label Apple as the vicious dog?
It's kabuki theater.
The most important headline.
I don't know if the media is conveniently missing this New York Times story or the facts of this, or they're just not doing their homework.
New York Times reports the FBI acknowledged that they screwed this up from the start.
They went in and messed this case up by changing the passcode.
That's why we're talking about this.
The FBI dropped the ball.
And they acknowledged that.
And they acknowledge that, yet you hear these emotional arguments from people.
They need to unlock the phone.
People are going to die.
I've heard even lawyers make these arguments that don't make sense.
The facts of the matter are this is a larger agenda.
It's not about opening one phone.
The government wants to end all encryption technologies, and this is the way to do it.
Everything else is PR and kabuki theater.
Get Congress away from this.
They're only doing it so they can get free airtime and raise money from lobbyists.
Keep them away from this.
Apple should stand firm.
The government doesn't particularly have a great track record with technology, if you will, Julie.
Yeah, I've got to tell you, am I the only person here who's terrified the greatest intelligence service in the world can't break into a phone?
They should call the Israelis.
Call them up.
Call the Israelis.
They can do right.
There you go.
That's a plan.
Call the Israelis.
Call the Israelis.
I thought that was a knife in the back.
They're in the 2-1 area code, so you can just call the Israelis.
It's not a problem.
Just give them a call.
It's not even a toll call.
It's just local.
Yeah, so I watched all four hours and 30 minutes of the testimony, which had an interesting name, the encryption...
Oh, what was it?
Hold on.
It had a name.
It was the first time I saw a name titled on C-SPAN. No, they do that all the time.
I just haven't noticed it or something, but I've seen it lots.
Was the...
Yeah, they titled these things with some cornball name.
Yeah, the encryption debate or something.
And I decided to just pull a couple of short, well, a number of short clips.
They're all pretty much short.
And I can tell you the conclusion right up front.
The government doesn't know what they're talking about, as in the representatives.
Every single one of them had pieces wrong, misunderstanding.
A lot of it was very, very repetitive.
Then they brought out the Apple lawyer, Brian Sewell, I think his name is.
Not the big dog, not the top dog, but we figured would be the guy running it.
And this guy had a, you know, it was very odd.
And I think, I wouldn't call it kabuki theater, but theater for sure.
But to start off with, just to whet our appetite a bit, because we mentioned him earlier, Ed Schultz on RT. And you've got to find out when he's on in your area, John.
Schultz is...
He has like a hot Russian chick who's there kind of to hand him the stories, and then he just gives his opinion.
But they got infrastructure for him.
So he has a libertarian presidential candidate, John McAfee, on the show.
McAfee, he's not stoned.
He's not stoned as usual.
He's not touching his nose the whole time.
But he's kind of got that cool, you know, the goatee going.
He's got the sunglasses hanging around his neck.
And...
I've always wondered, you know, he keeps saying, oh, I can crack this in a half an hour, half an hour, give it to me, I'll take care of it.
And now I understand why he's saying that and what his idea is or his system, which he says will bar him from ever being in the hacker community from this day on because he's revealing the secrets.
Oh, he's like a magician.
Yes.
To make this issue simple for the American public and for the FBI, who clearly does not understand, These devices are computers, whether it's an Android phone, an iOS phone, or whatever.
Inside is a processor, which is a computer, the instruction set, which is the iOS and all the applications that you run, and the memory in which you store your data.
Now, let's take the FBI case.
The FBI wants Apple to change their software so that it removes the check for security, so that we don't check for security anymore.
Once it has that software, it can use that software on any phone.
But they say they only need it for one phone.
So I'm going to tell the world exactly how we do this.
Now, I'll probably lose my admission to the world hackers community.
However, I'm going to tell you, you need a hardware engineer and a software engineer.
The hardware engineer takes the phone apart.
And it copies the instruction set, which is the iOS and applications, and your memory.
And then you run a piece of a program called a disassembler, which takes all the ones and zeros and gives you readable instructions.
Then the coder sits down and he reads through.
And what he's looking for is the first access to the keypad, because that's the first thing you're doing when you input your pad.
It'll take half an hour.
When you see that, then he reads the instructions for where in memory this secret code is stored.
It is that trivial.
A half an hour.
The FBI knows this.
Apple knows this.
And this is not an indictment of Apple.
Any computer, and this is a computer, any computer that falls into someone's hands, well, anybody can do it.
Which is why corporate data centers keep their computers locked up.
And which is why we ought to keep our own phones locked up.
Do you think that this is actually something that could be done that way?
Well, I know what he's saying.
Yeah, I understand.
He's going back to COBOL, machine language.
It's interesting what he's trying to say because there is...
It's getting the code off the thing.
I'm not sure how you do that, but I suppose it's doable.
Maybe that's what Apple's needed for.
Now, there's some belief...
That the way this thing is structured, and there's a lot of encryption involved, I understand, in the code itself, so the code isn't just running straight up.
And that means...
This is that error 53 or whatever it is.
Yeah, that's part of the secure enclave thing.
It's part of iOS 9.
If you would try to...
If you take the phone apart and put it back together because you say it had a bad button...
And you take the phone apart, put a new button in, and they put it back together.
This error shows up, and now the phone's bricked.
Yeah, but that has nothing to do with what he's talking about.
No, I know, but I'm just saying that there is a belief that the...
The only reason that would happen when you go to iOS 9 is because according to the people that talk about this error, the phone is like a hole.
Once somebody messes with one element of it, it's like the whole phone requires a checksum, let's say.
Mm-hmm.
And so you go in there and you pull that little piece of code out and then try to run things again.
There's still this checksum element that's going on that would look and say, no, no, no, this phone has been touched.
And now the phone is bricked.
I don't know that you can get around that necessarily.
Now, maybe you can.
Well, but he's saying something different.
He's saying, before you take it apart, you hit the touchpad with just a couple of digits, then...
You look in all the registries, I guess, within the chip itself, and that number has to show up somewhere.
And you could do that, I guess, before an error of 53, because that seems to appear only when you put it together and then upgrade the iOS.
That's when that happens.
But, you know, that's technical.
It doesn't really matter that much.
We don't know.
We don't know.
You know, I would like to see...
Here's what I would do.
I would say, is McAfee correct?
Let's find out.
Let's take a phone, iPhone 5, encode it, encrypt it, turn everything on so it's safe, and then give it to them and say, okay, crack this phone before you touch the FBI phone.
Let's see if you can do it.
If you can show that you can do it, a proof of concept with another phone, not the one that you don't want screwed up, Then I say, okay, great.
Now take the real phone and go for it.
Yeah.
I have not seen this.
I want to see that first.
Well, there were a couple other ideas on how to do this that came up in the conversation.
But first, we start off with Mr.
Comey.
Mr.
Comey had all kinds of little ditties that he just spread around.
To me, he was freewheeling.
He did not really have a grasp of the material.
He got caught a lot on things he just had no idea.
He was honest.
He said, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
And here is his first start of the whole deal.
I hear folks talk about keys and back doors.
I actually don't see that this way.
I mean, there are issues about back doors.
This is about, there's already a door on that iPhone.
Essentially, we're asking Apple, take the vicious guard dog away, let us try and pick the lock.
The later phones, as I understand the six and after, there aren't doors.
So there isn't going to be, can you take the guard dog away and let us pick the lock?
Mmm, so that was, my ears perked up.
Because this is clearly not just about these old phones.
This entire charade, charade, is for something else.
And we'll probably learn as we go through.
And I do want to say that I told you when you sent me the newsletter to proofread, and I said, oh yeah, I'll have my report on Apple, which in the newsletter turned into, Adam has discovered something big in the Apple case.
Why are you roasting me, bro?
That was not fair.
That was not fair.
Why?
I didn't say I had something big.
Well, you got some.
This is big to me.
Ha, ha, ha.
Okay, we continue.
Now we have, ah, this is Congressman Nadler, who does understand encryption.
Comey, not so much.
Encryption software is free, open source, and widely available.
If Congress were to pass a law forcing U.S. companies to provide law enforcement with access to encrypted systems, would that law stop bad actors from using their own encryption?
It would not.
It would not.
So the bad actors would just get around it.
Sure.
Encryption's always been available to bad actors, nation states.
So if we were to pass a law saying that Apple and whoever else had to put backdoors or whatever you want to call them into their systems, the bad actors that were concerned with all the appropriate, with all the concomitant...
Ooh, good word.
Conconitant?
Yes, I use that word.
That's all the follow-up stuff?
Is that what it means?
No, stuff that happens in the parallel.
Oh, conconitant.
Good word.
I'm going to learn another word.
Whoever else had to put back doors, or whatever you want to call them, into their systems.
The bad actors, with all the concomitant surrenders of privacy, etc., etc., the bad actors could easily get around that by making their own encryption systems.
The reason I'm hesitating is, I think we're mixing together two things, data in motion and data at rest.
Whoops, this is where he goes wrong.
But I'm not quite sure what to say, but data in motion, data in motion.
The bad guys couldn't make their own phones, but the bad guys...
Wait, let me rewind that a bit.
So he does not, he has such a lack of understanding, he thinks that this encryption, or at least he's feigning lack of understanding, is about the phone and not about just taking a file, encrypting it, and sending it off free and clear.
It's an encrypted file.
The reason I'm hesitating is I think we're mixing together two things, data in motion and data at rest.
The bad guys couldn't make their own phones, but the bad guys could always try and find a device that was strongly encrypted.
The big change here happened in the fall of 2014 when the companies flipped from available encryption to default.
And this is when Apple also stated as a part of their terms of service and a part of their legal guidelines for law enforcement agencies, they said as of iOS 8, We no longer can provide the service of extracting data for you.
And this, of course, is when this really started.
And that's...
Stop there for a second.
Wait.
This is really...
And this seems to stem, because of the coincidental dates, from the Snowden release.
Oh, yes.
Where Apple showed up on an NSA or CIA slide in a deck as selling out to the government.
Yes.
Which, at that time, they arguably were doing.
Yes.
Available encryption to default.
And that's the shadow of going dark.
But couldn't foreign companies and bad actors generally do that, whatever we said?
Sure.
Potentially people could say, I love this American device, but because I worry about a judge ordering access to it, I'm going to buy this phone from a Nordic country that's different in some way.
That could happen.
I have a hard time seeing it happen a lot, but it could happen.
I knew you'd like that.
What is he talking about?
Well, his mission is clearly to have devices in the United States created with a way for law enforcement to get in.
Then we have Daryl Issa.
Daryl Issa, famous for his technology prowess for patenting, inventing, and marketing, successfully, the Viper car alarm system.
I don't know if he did more.
But he seems to think that he's an expert in encryption security because of his Viper car alarm background.
What else did he do?
No, I thought he was an entrepreneur of some sort.
He's always a troublemaker in these events, though.
And so he had an idea of how to get around the 10 tries, you're busted, and the delay in between every single attempt.
Which, it's no less reasonable than what McAfee was saying earlier, but he's really doing it to make a point.
We have engaged all parts of the U.S. government to see, does anybody have a way, short of asking Apple to do it, with a 5C running iOS 9 to do this?
And we do not.
Okay, well let's go through the 5C running iOS 9.
Does the 5C have a non-volatile memory in which all of the encrypted data and the selection switches for the phone settings are all located in that encrypted data?
This is a question that...
I don't know.
Well, it does.
Take my word for it for now.
Wait, hold on.
Why does he ask a question that he knows the answer to?
Because he's making a point.
He wants to make a point.
He's an asshole.
That's what you do in these hearings.
You set someone up to come up with an answer, and you say, well, in fact, they do.
It's a setup.
That's what they do.
That means that you can, in fact, remove from the phone all of its memory, all of its non-volatile memory, its disk drive, if you will, and set it over here and have a true copy of it that you could conduct infinite number of attacks on.
Let's assume that you can make an infinite number of copies once you make one copy, right?
Right.
I have no idea.
I don't know.
Well, let's go through what you asked, and I'm doing this because I came out of the security business, and this befuddles me.
Car alarms is now the security business, according to ISA. I like it.
You haven't looked at the source code, and you don't really understand the disk drive, at least to answer my rather dumb questions, if you will.
If there's only a memory, and that memory, that non-volatile memory sits here, and there's a chip, and the chip does have an encryption code that was burned into it, and you can make 10,000 copies of this chip, this non-volatile memory hard drive, then you can perform as many attacks this non-volatile memory hard drive, then you can perform as many attacks as you want Now, you've asked specifically Apple to defeat the finger code so you can attack it automatically so you don't have to punch in codes.
You've asked them to eliminate the 10 and destroy, but you haven't, as far as I know, I like that, 10 and destroy.
Okay, if we make 1,000 copies or 2,000 copies of this, and we put it with the chip, and we run five tries, 0, 0 through 0, 4, and then throw that image away and put another one in, and do that 2,000 times, won't we have tried with a non-changing chip and an encryption code that is duplicated 2,000 times?
Won't we have tried all...
10,000 possible combinations in a matter of hours.
I like that idea.
That could also possibly work.
It might.
It might.
Unless a guy's got a 40-character password, which you can do with an Apple.
Yeah, but we're pretty sure he did.
Nobody does that.
Well, we know he didn't because they look at the phone and it could be...
Well, actually, you're right.
We don't know that.
I've been asked that question.
The question is, how can you come before this committee and before a federal judge and demand that somebody else invent something if you can't answer the questions that your people have tried this?
And I think that Comey came unprepared, and he should have expected this.
And, you know, at this point, I'm also asking, what the hell is this whole thing about?
What are they having this conversation about?
All right, first we need some little more, we have more explaining to do.
I presume that's how Comey talks to his team.
Okay, I've got to tell these boneheads what exactly is going on.
They don't understand Secure Enclave and then the 10 and Destroy and the timeouts.
How do I explain?
I want to stop you here for a second.
Just a little commentary.
Please.
Because I was reading some article about, oh, you know, we have to do these.
And, of course, there's the women in the chicken coop.
One of them said, well, you know, the government's pretty poor with technology.
And so I'm reading in one of the magazines or newspapers about how the government's looking for the best hackers, the best guys.
Yes, the hack the Pentagon exercise.
They want all these things.
But meanwhile, if you talk to anybody in the community, They don't want anybody that's actually competent because they won't pass the security checks.
Because they smoke weed.
They're not squeaky clean.
Some of them are transgender.
God, what are we going to do with that?
Oh, no.
You can't, you know, it's the...
Hi, I'm Tank Girl.
I'm here to hack the iPhone.
If the government won't find a way to use these people, the real hackers, the guys, a lot of them are asocial.
Some of them are aspergers.
And a lot of them don't want to work against the government.
A lot of them would, though, with the kind of money they can get or even consult.
Well, that's the issue.
The government would have nothing to do with them.
They have to have consultants.
They can't hire them.
They can't.
They can't.
Because government, you know, we have a cyber force, which is all volunteer.
There's no money.
These guys are getting stocked.
They're getting all, you know, screw it.
Screw you.
Okay.
Anyway, Comey has to explain to the stupid people what the concept is between the encrypted data which they want to get at, which I guess is 256 DES encrypted.
You know, good luck with that.
But first we have to remove the guard dog.
And he has to explain this in simple terms.
Here we go.
So rather than giving you the key, it's really you want Apple to turn the security system off so they can get into the phone or you can get into the phone.
Yeah, my homely metaphor was take away the drooling watchdog.
It's going to attack us if we try and open it.
Give us time to pick the lock.
Oh man, country of metaphors.
So nice.
Okay, then we have Gowdy.
I like the drooling part.
The drooling part.
Does he have to be drooling?
Isn't watchdog good enough?
No.
This is all about soundbites.
Then we get Trey Gowdy.
Gowdy, he wants Apple to open it up.
And he has a couple of beautiful terms in here, and he's just an interesting guy to listen to in general.
Of course, he is also an attorney.
I have colleagues and others who are advocating for these evidence-free zones.
Nice!
Evidence-free zones!
Ah, this is when I was getting down to brass tacks.
They're just going to be...
Oh, I like that.
It's a great term.
I know, it's a great term.
And what he's talking about is having a device for the first time in history, That is only accessible to the person who holds the key in their head.
And no one else can open it.
This is part of what the conversation is about.
These evidence-free zones.
They're just going to be compartments of life where you are precluded from going to find evidence of anything.
And I'm trying to determine whether or not we as a society are going to accept that, that there are certain, no matter how compelling the government's interest is in accessing that evidence, we are declaring right now this is an evidence-free zone.
You can't go here no matter whether it's a terrorist plot, national security.
There's nothing that the government has a more compelling interest in than that, and we're going to create evidence-free zones?
Am I missing something?
Is that...
Is that how you see it?
That you just can't go in these categories unless somebody consents?
That's my worry and why I think it's so important we have this conversation.
Because even I, on the surface, think it sounds great when people say, hey, you buy this device, no one will ever be able to look at your stuff.
But there are times when law enforcement saves our lives, rescues our children.
Okay, okay.
So there it is.
There's what Comey is really talking about.
We cannot have evidence-free zones because, not that they want to do proper law enforcement, no.
He's going to come up with a whole...
And he doesn't even use terrorism in his argument.
No, because your children may be lost.
You know, we might not be able to solve a homicide.
Our children and rescues our neighborhoods by going to a judge and getting permission to look at our stuff.
Rescues our neighborhoods.
So again, I come to the case of the Baton Rouge eight-month pregnant woman shot when she opens her door.
Her mom says she keeps a diary on her phone.
We can't look at the diary to figure out what might have been going on in her life.
Oh, because we could have some resolve for her.
Who is she texting with?
That's a problem.
I love privacy.
All of us also love public safety, and it's so easy to talk about, buy this amazing device, you'll be private.
But you have to take the time to think, okay, there's that.
You hear what he's saying, John.
This is the worry.
Apple wants to have a complete evidence-free device, evidence-free zone, and law enforcement does not want it.
But you have to take the time to think, okay, there's that, and what are the costs of that?
And that's where this collision's coming in.
Well, I love privacy, too, but I want my fellow citizens to understand that most of us also, in varying degrees, also love our bodies and the physical integrity of our bodies.
I love this analogy.
But since Schmerber, the government has been able to access orders for either blood against the will of the defendant, or in some instances, surgical procedures against the will of the defendant.
The defendant has something in his anal cavity.
Okay.
You know, I've always wondered why the Supreme Court went in that direction because it seems, and they talk about, you know, they can't, I think in some places you can have your DNA extracted, but the blood thing or even the breath test, all the rest of it, I don't see how this, any of those things is not the same as testifying against yourself.
I just don't see it.
You don't have to testify against it.
You don't have to go on in front of a question.
Did you kill that person?
I refused it on the grounds of whatever.
Well, this is why he's bringing it up, obviously.
But I don't have that because it wasn't all that interesting.
But there were counter-arguments to that, why that analogy does not play well.
Well, I also think that this is not about any of these discussions at all.
It's about marketing.
Correct.
We're getting there.
Apple can't sell a phone that's got a back door in it or anything else.
Well, we still have to come up with some whack job scenarios where, you know, Apple is the gatekeeper and, oh, my God, and how is this going to work?
And this is Ted Deutsch.
Ted Douche.
With Comey.
This is one of my favorite answers from Comey.
I also think it's something the judge will sort out, Apple's contention, which again I believe is made in good faith, is that there would be substantial risk around creating this software.
On the government side, count us skeptical, although we could be wrong, because I think the government's argument is, that's your business to protect...
Your software, your innovation, this would be usable in one phone?
What could possibly go wrong?
How could Apple...
I mean, what could happen with Apple, who can clearly do this work if they refuse?
How could it still get out, John?
What could happen?
You got me.
But again, that's something the judge is going to have to sort out.
It's not an easy question.
If it's the case, though, that it's usable in more than one phone, and that it applies beyond there, then the public safety concerns that we may have, that a lot of us have, about what would happen if the bad guys got access to our phones and our children's phones, in that case, those are really valid, aren't they?
Sure.
The question that I think we're going to have litigation about is how reasonable is that concern?
And slippery slope arguments are always attractive, but I suppose you could say, well, Apple's engineers have this in their head.
What if they're kidnapped and forced to write software?
That's why the judge has to sort this out, between good lawyers on both sides making all reasonable arguments.
Yeah, that could happen.
He doesn't understand that Apple ultimately holds the key.
I mean, any device that has automatic software updates...
You know, Apple holds the key to loading software.
But okay, it's...
Yeah, they could get kidnapped.
Give us the key.
Give us the 256 DES encrypted key.
Watching too many Rocky and Bullwinkle kinds of...
Boris, Boris, give us the key.
Oh, man.
All right.
Now, Comey, not to be outdone by ISA, has his own little meme words that he wants to bring into the conversation as he explains the main crux of what is going on here.
You do have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your home, in your car, and in your devices.
The government under our Constitution is required to overcome that by going to an independent judge, making a showing of probable cause.
Interesting interpretation of the Constitution.
He says the Constitution requires to overcome that.
In order to get evidence, but the Constitution doesn't necessarily provide that requirement.
It says here is what you, here under only one circumstance can you do this, perform this type of action, a search, and that is when you have probable cause.
And then a warrant, you know, there's very specific language about a warrant and what it can do.
So, I don't know.
It's a word game at this point.
In your home, in your car, and in your devices.
The government under our constitution is required to overcome that by going to an independent judge making a showing of probable cause and getting a warrant.
What we need to talk about as a country is, we're moving to a place where there are warrant-proof places in our life.
Warrant-proof places.
These guys are good.
And yes, these devices are spectacular because they do hold our whole lives.
They're different than a briefcase.
They're different than a drawer.
So it is a source, a place with a tremendous reasonable expectation of privacy.
But if we're going to move to a place where that is not possible to overcome that, that's a world we've never lived in before in the United States that has profound consequences for public safety.
And all I'm saying is we shouldn't drift there.
Right?
Companies that sell stuff shouldn't tell us how to be.
The FBI shouldn't tell us how to be.
The American people should say, the world is different.
How do we want to be?
And figure that out.
Okay, now it turns out that that's what everyone's there for, is to get an opinion from the public.
We need to sway the public, left or right.
Either we want a warrant-proof device with evidence-free zones included, now with evidence-free zones.
Dude, we've got to get on this.
Warrant-proof phone.
Now with evidence-free zone at Best Buy.
Well, I don't know how that's different than, like, for example...
Putting a 256 on a complete hard disk.
There's a number of ways you can encrypt the entire hard disk.
That's an evidence-free zone, right there?
Yeah.
Well, they're not talking about that.
No, but they're talking about marketing.
It seems to me that a hard disk, which is an older technology, has had this available to it for some time, and nobody's bitching about that.
No.
No.
As we go along, you'll notice this whole thing is bullcrap.
As we go into, now we get the Apple lawyer, Bruce Sewell.
And he uses an analogy here which may tie into the Second Amendment argument that we were listening to from that tech podcast.
Who said, you know, encryption is defined as weaponized technology.
Therefore, it's part of arms and could be protected under the Second Amendment.
Which I liked.
Yeah, it was outstanding.
And I think the Apple lawyer drops a little clue here that that may be part of their ultimate defense, although it didn't come up anywhere else in the four and a half hours.
We are moving to end-to-end encryption on many devices and apps, not just Apple iPhones.
Why is that happening?
I think it's a combination of things.
From our perspective at Apple, it's because We see ourselves as being in an arms race, in an arms race with criminals, cyber terrorists, hackers.
We're trying to provide a safe and secure place for the users of our devices to be assured that their information cannot be accessed, cannot be hacked or stolen.
So from our perspective, that end-to-end encryption move is an effort to improve the safety and security of our phones.
So he's talking about it as if they're in an arms race and these are the weapons of this war.
But it didn't come up further on.
They did talk about other constitutional amendments.
I have a question.
Mm-hmm.
And let's assume that that encryption...
Encryption back in the Phil Zimmerman era was considered...
It was considered an arms situation.
I don't know, an arms something.
And it was illegal to...
Oh, it's defined as such for Intel.
They define exportation laws.
And I remember during the era, you can't export this.
You can't export that.
Mm-hmm.
There's still a bunch of these products out there that you can't export to, even though there's as good an encryption coming out of Switzerland as we make.
Correct.
You can't export this, you can't export that.
Why doesn't the government put some leverage on the Apple thing?
These phones are all laced with encryption that you can't export them.
Why don't we just clamp down on that part if you wanted to really do that.
That could happen.
It could possibly happen.
I don't know.
It could be a lot of leverage.
Yeah.
And then, dude's name...
And why are we so lax?
I have not looked into the depth of the encryption, the export law.
I know it got overturned, but I think that was for Intel.
But I don't know.
Someone out there will know and will be able to tell us.
For sure.
I think that the dude's name, Ben, and other privacy experts in our producing audience will love this next clip.
Never would I expect to hear a representative for Apple promoting a completely compromised product as safe.
Once they get in there, they could find all kinds of other restrictions that Apple has no control over, right?
With regard to apps that are on the phone, with regard to various other communications features that the consumer may have chosen to put on there.
Is that correct?
That's absolutely right, Mr.
Chairman.
One of the most pernicious apps that we see in the terrorist space is something called Telegraph.
Telegraph is an app that can reside on any phone.
It has nothing to do with Apple.
It can be loaded either over the internet or it could be loaded outside of the country.
And this is a method of providing absolutely uncrackable communications.
Now, everybody in the security industry says this is a horrible app.
It's completely compromised.
Yeah, we both installed it and we came to that.
If you were going to say Signal, which is what all the military guys use when talking amongst themselves, you know?
Yeah, Signal's different.
I don't know what it is, but maybe this is part of a scheme.
Isn't it called Telegram?
I thought it was Telegram.
Is it Telegraph?
I think it's Telegram.
He said Telegraph.
I think it's Telegram.
Wait, you look it up and I'll listen to him again and see what he says.
Once they get in there, they could find all kinds of other restrictions that Apple has no control over, right?
Right.
With regard to apps that are on the phone, with regard to various other communications features that the consumer may have chosen to put on there.
Is that correct?
Right.
That's absolutely right, Mr.
Chairman.
One of the most pernicious apps that we see in the terrorist space is something called Telegraph.
He says Telegraph.
I think it's Telegram.
I'm looking.
It's Telegram.
Yeah, he says Telegraph, so he doesn't even have that right.
Here's their site software.
Yeah.
I mean, Void Zero is the one that was all over my ass about that.
You know Void Zero.
We don't even know his real name.
He's so secure.
Yeah, he's another one of those guys they won't hire.
Oh, no.
Let me see.
Smokes weed?
Check.
On the spectrum?
Check.
Lanky and somewhat awkward?
Check.
Perfect for no agenda.
Yeah, perfect for any kind of security work.
But this, I was just listening to this Sewell guy.
He's also saying...
This is a lot of bullcrap in this one sentence.
They could find all kinds of other restrictions that Apple has no control over, right?
With regard to apps that are on the phone, with regard to various other communications features that the consumer may have chosen to put on there.
Is that correct?
That's absolutely right, Mr.
Chairman.
One of the most pernicious apps that we see in the terrorist space...
Terrorist space, nice.
...is something called Telegraph.
Telegraph.
Telegraph is an app that can reside on any phone.
It has nothing to do...
That, of course, is crap, because they can block or ban any app they want from the Apple store.
Oh, yeah, Apple can in particular.
Yeah, they can even remove it.
They can remove it.
So can Google.
They can remove any...
Any app they want.
But, you know, you can sideload on Android.
With Apple, it can be loaded either over the Internet or it could be loaded outside of the country.
See, that's a lie.
Well, it's kind of a lie.
Over the Internet.
But you have total control of what apps you're allowed to install on your iPhone.
And why would this guy be up there and saying the wrong name of the product?
Okay.
Good.
We'll jump ahead and we'll wrap this up.
Because this is exactly where we need to be with this conversation.
I'm now three and a half hours into this.
I'm getting pissed.
Because all I'm hearing is...
Why are you getting pissed?
Because these moronic congressmen and women, they just want to get an education on something that they don't comprehend from people who don't explain it.
It was a complete circle jerk of bull crap.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
So Sensenbrenner, who's his old coot.
What's his name?
Sensenbrenner.
Where's he from?
I think it's Sensenbrenner.
Where's he from?
Oh, I'll look it up.
Well, we scored on the telegraph versus telegram.
That's the level of sophistication Apple sends to the United States Congress for their conversation.
What is going on?
I can tell you what's going on as I continue to stall a little bit longer to see if you come up with Sensenbrenner's name and district and state.
It's Jim Sensenbrenner.
He's a member of the Republican Party.
He is representing Wisconsin's 5th.
Good work, John and Adam.
You really filled that time up.
It worked perfectly.
Good work.
Okay.
This is...
He's a Republican blowhard.
I've seen him before.
I don't like this guy.
Well, he nailed it on this one.
And with this segment, and the final one, which is 30 seconds, showed me that this is a delay tactic.
This is set up to delay...
Well, I'll give you my belief after these two clips, but...
By the way...
Just like I have this thing open.
His net worth is $21 million.
Yeah, well, what are you eating?
Oh, I'm sorry.
A lozenge?
Mm-hmm.
What kind?
Cherry?
You know, I don't like to cough.
Is it a cherry flavor?
No, it's actually the original flavored, what's that thing?
Sucret?
No, no.
Oh, Sucrets, man.
I love Sucrets.
I can't remember the name.
I threw the little packet.
Oh, here it is.
It's like a Nors or what the hell is this stuff?
It's like a...
It comes in a little wrapper.
Ricola?
Ricola.
Yeah, yeah.
It's the original Ricola.
The original.
Not the Ricola and all the other ones.
It's the original, original in the yellow package.
Fantastic product.
Onward.
This is a delay tactic, as you'll hear what is going on, because Sensenbrenner finally asked the appropriate question.
We would be forced to do the very thing which we think is at issue and should be decided by the American people.
We'd be forced to create the tool.
Now, what's your proposed legislative response?
Do you have a bill for us to consider?
I do not have a bill for you to consider.
Okay, thank you.
That answers that.
Now, the FBI has provided some fairly specific policy proposals to ensure that law enforcement can access encrypted data with a war.
What policy proposal would Apple support?
You don't like what the FBI said.
What's your specific response?
What we're asking for, Congressman, is a debate on this.
I don't have a proposal.
I don't have a solution for it.
But what I think we need to do is to give this an appropriate and fair hearing at this body, which exists to convene and deliberate and decide issues of legislative importance.
We think that the problem here is...
We need to get the right stakeholders in the room.
This is not a security versus privacy issue.
This is a security versus security issue.
And that balance should be struck, we think, by the Congress.
Well, you know, let me make this observation, you know, having dealt with the fallout of the Snowden revelations and the drafting and garnering support of the USA Freedom Act.
I can tell you, I don't think you're going to like what comes out of Congress.
Congress, we will follow the law that comes out of this process.
We certainly understand.
Okay.
Okay, well, the thing is, is I don't understand.
You don't like what's being done with a lawfully issued warrant.
You're operating in a vacuum.
You've told us what you don't like.
You said that Congress ought to debate and pass legislation.
You haven't told us one thing about what you do like.
When are we going to hear of what you do like so that Apple has a positive solution to what you are complaining about?
You said it's Congress's job to do it.
Now, we won't shirk from that.
This hearing is a part of this debate.
The FBI has provided some policy suggestions on that.
You haven't said what Apple will support.
So all you've been doing is saying no, no, no, no.
Uh-huh.
That's correct.
So they are there just wasting Congress's time?
I think Stenson Brenner's right on the money.
Yeah.
And the thing that caught me about what he said, so I've changed my attitude toward him instantly.
You're allowed.
You're allowed.
Are you now pro-abortion?
Kind of, which I think is overlooked here.
Flip-flopper.
Right off the bat, he asked, do you have a bill?
Yeah.
Have you written anything that we can pass?
And let us level here, John.
The only reason anyone's ever in Washington is to lobby for a bill.
Yes.
You've got people up there ready to listen?
You're in the catbird seat.
He asked him, do you have a bill for us to consider, maybe work on?
Because you're the ones that have the problem.
Give us a bill.
We'll look at it and see what's going on.
Because that's what you're obviously here to promote.
They got nothing!
Nothing.
He wants a debate.
He wants a discussion.
Let's continue this discussion into the night.
Yeah.
Where's the bill, Apple?
So this is, in my opinion, this is a...
This is a delay tactic?
Or it could be one of two things.
Either A, Apple, who are, of course, well-known to be years ahead with their product line, have the warrant-free, evidence-free zone device ready to go, and they are worried about the launching and what implications there could be, because that will be their marketing, as this is the warrant-proof, evidence-free zone phone.
Ooh, evidence-free zone phone.
Bam!
Bam!
I'm a regular Kanye.
Or they want to delay this as long as possible until they actually do launch the phone.
It all depends on me.
But this is running around in circles.
No one wants anything.
If you really wanted to do a job on this, from a marketing perspective, I'd say this.
The way they should do this, you've got the evidence free phone, it's the iPhone 7, iPhone 8, we don't know.
But you're right, they're already out about a year or two.
And they take this and they say, okay, well here's how you can crack the 5.
This is not good, we don't know what to do.
We've got, the 5 is now, it takes the 5 off, the 5 is crackable.
We can't continue like this.
We'll have the iPhone 7.
It's not possible to get into it under any circumstances.
And that would be a whole marketing scheme, starting with the 5, cracking the 5.
They should cooperate, crack the 5, and say, this is the problem.
Don't buy a 5.
Sell your 5s.
Get out of the 5s.
Upgrade.
Skip the 6.
Get a 7.
Man, I'm talking a quarter like you've never seen before.
That would be dynamite.
They would kill the whole market.
Yeah.
Because you can't trust any other phone.
But that doesn't seem to be what they're doing.
Well...
They lost their touch?
I mean, this seems to be like a marketing opportunity.
Well, this is my problem.
This guy who doesn't even know the difference between telegraph and telegram, so he's not read in properly, and no matter what he calls it, that's a well-known compromised app.
We even know it.
You know, that's like, oh, are you in cahoots with everybody?
But a law enforcement, Comey said two things.
He said, we cannot have something that pretty much violates our constitutional requirement to go and find documents when we have a warrant or proper order from the court.
But he also said, hey, American people, what do you want it to be?
Do you want to be...
Do you trust your government to open up your phone when necessary, when you've been killed and everyone wants to know who shot you, or when your kid is missing and maybe can find some location data?
Nothing about terrorism that he said.
Or, do you want your warrant-proof, evidence-free zone phone?
Now, he's there to promote the fact that you don't want that, because think of the children.
But Apple, on the other hand, just seems to just be, I mean, Sewell, he's a cheaper guy than the Olsen guy.
But I think they just, you know, you go.
You go, just run around for a bit and don't answer anything and just start a conversation.
You know what I'm saying?
Anyway, so they wore him down.
The guy got tired, the lawyer.
And we finally got to the bottom of the defense they will be using against any type of law, court order, etc.
And it's two amendments.
Do you want to gander, I guess, which two amendments are at play here according to the Apple defense?
I wouldn't have a clue.
Bear in mind that what we're being asked to do is to write a brand new computer code.
Write a new operating system.
The law with respect to the applicability of computer code to speech I think is well established.
So this is a compelled speech by the government for the purpose of the government.
Which is a First Amendment problem.
Which is absolutely a First Amendment problem.
And bear in mind that this is a speech which Apple does not want to make.
This is our position.
I like that.
It's funny.
Yeah, we don't want to make that speech.
Well, it's interesting.
Why is a computer code patented and not copyrighted, then, if it's speech?
Can you patent speech?
I know why.
It used to be copyrighted.
And then somebody...
I remember in the days, in the 70s and early 80s, when everyone said, you can't patent...
You can copyright it.
And the copywriting is fine.
But people discovered that because of the nature of a patent, they kept trying to get it patented.
And when that one guy that worked in the Clinton administration, who I actually heard debate, I think he was debating Larry Lessig or something.
I don't remember.
It was the Commonwealth Club.
I happened to be the moderator.
But this guy, this maniac that took over the patent office said, yeah, fine, patent it.
And so he started this software patent revolution and it has ruined the country.
And this guy was such a maniac.
I asked him specifically myself.
I said, why'd you do that, bro?
Sorry?
You said, hey, Broseph, why'd you do that?
I asked him a question.
I said, the way he sees copyright, I said, is it possible, or patents?
I said, is it possible to patent a football play?
Oh, yeah.
Which I thought was a good question.
He says, well, the patents have to have some technological basis.
And so I followed up with, what if it was a play based on timing?
Yeah.
He said, yeah, it's patentable.
Great.
I said, what?
That was that.
As far as I was concerned, this guy was nuts.
The Wishbone Formation, now trademarked by John C. DeVore.
Patented.
Patented.
That way you can't run it.
No one else can run the play.
Yeah, no wishbone for you.
You can sue him.
That's the one play I know, The Wishbone Formation.
The Wishbone.
It's like from the 60s.
Are you impressed with my knowledge of football?
Yeah, very modern.
Look, they're pulling a wishbone, everybody.
Pulling a wishbone means something else today.
Hold on.
I just want to write that down for myself.
And then the final amendment.
And these are their defenses.
This is what they will take to the Supreme Court if necessary.
But they don't want that.
They want big grandstanding and marketing in Congress.
...speech by the government for the purpose of the government.
Which is a First Amendment problem.
Which is absolutely a First Amendment problem.
And bear in mind that this is a speech which Apple does not want to make.
This is our position.
On the Fifth Amendment, the issue is conscription.
The issue is forced activity, forced labor.
There you go.
Conscription, force activity, force labor.
It is force labor.
But this is not the argument.
But they want to do that under the Fifth Amendment?
Because there's lots of people who are...
Second or first.
I mean, there's cases where tons of judges have ordered people to give up information.
Forcing them to speak.
You will talk.
Bring back waterboarding?
You'll find out.
I'm sorry, that was my Trump impression.
Boy, that's bad.
I know.
Do you want to take a break now?
I'll take any feedback on my little segment there, my little package.
Well, that was a great segment and we learned a lot.
Just like I said in the newsletter.
Yeah, there was no big, huge bomb.
It was a bomb.
There was a bomb.
It was a bomb.
I'm going to show myself all by donating to No Agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that.
Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
Yeah, I'm No Agenda in the morning.
Before you do anything, John, go to evidencefreezone.com.
Did you get it?
Someone in the chat room got it for us.
They grabbed it?
Good.
Links to the No Agenda show.
Of course it does.
That is why we are...
The best podcast in the universe!
Jump!
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Thank you very much.
Let's thank a few people for show 804, starting with John Robinette.
Or Robinette.
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Same thing.
We don't know where you're from.
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Those are $200 donors.
Also then followed by George Oberhofer in Jackson, New Jersey.
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There's a birthday coming up in one of his...
It's one of his somebody.
I don't have the note in front of me.
I got something.
Allison, New Berlin, Wisconsin.
That's the name we got.
It's also got a birthday involved.
It's 83-84.
Mark F. DeWitt in Soddy Daisy, Tennessee.
Hold on a second.
The Allison thing, let me just see.
That was...
It's important to stop and note this.
That is from John's wife.
And Allison says, Happy 32nd birthday, darling.
He loves the B-P-I-T-U and he hopes the birthday donation makes him smile.
That's sweet.
Mark F. DeWitt and Soddy Daisy should have a meet-up.
66, 26.
It'd be funny if you go there just as the Saudi daisies.
They need some karma because they had to put their terrier down.
Oh, the terrier.
Special instant karma.
You've got karma.
We know how you feel about dogs, John.
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Patrick Perkins in Holland, Michigan.
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A birthday there.
To his smoking hot wife.
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Kroga?
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I guess.
Kroga?
Kroga, maybe.
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We're done.
Oh my.
That was short.
Very short, very disappointing.
But it happens.
Maybe I shouldn't have done the Apple thing so long.
It should have been shorter?
You could have gone long on the Apple thing.
No, we do have some other things.
Even though it seems as if you did.
That is karma for everybody.
I'm sure you need it.
You've got karma.
And remember, we do have a show coming up on Sunday.
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Slash N-A.
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I could not find the right focal length to read that.
It sucks, I'm sorry.
And we have a title change today.
Dame Francine, the longtime supporter of the podcast, becomes a Baroness.
Although she said on the face bag she wanted to be a baron.
It's fun because when you do that you see all the other face baggers trying to understand what the hell she's talking about and no one understands.
Except for the no agenda people.
Yeah, face baggers.
That's what we're using as a new term.
Yes, I remember to introduce the term.
We had a meeting and said let's call them face baggers.
That's funnier.
Yeah, it's perfect.
That's good.
Good work.
Well, I got stuff, but I just did a long segment.
Well, let's talk about this.
The crisis is continuing, of course, in the EU. Not this, but that.
Yes.
Let's listen to what Samantha Powers has to say about this question that she got from Judy Woodruff on the NewsHour.
From the Middle East, we've been telling their story day after day.
As you know, the top U.S. general at NATO, General Philip Breedlove, said the other day that he believes that ISIS is now spreading, in his words, like a cancer among these refugees.
Is that your understanding of what's going on now?
Well, I mean, I think certainly we have seen, you know, ISIS turning up in European cities.
I mean, we've seen the Paris attacks.
There's a lot of homegrown extremism.
People who are first generation, who've been born in European countries, who've taken to extremism.
I think what's important is that the systems that we have to process people, most of whom, the vast, vast, vast majority of whom are just in desperate need of refuge, that the systems we have are sufficient to actually be able to run fingerprint checks, look into backgrounds and so forth.
And that's the great disadvantage of this flood, is it's been much harder for Europe to manage than, for instance, our program, where we're able to actually deliberate over these refugee files for 18 months to make sure we get it right.
Oh, man.
Who gives a crap?
These people are dying.
Vast, vast, vast, she says.
Can I insert a little clip here?
Yes.
This is from the EU Council President, Donald Tusk, of Poland.
He's very clear on where the EU stands on migrants.
European Council President Donald Tusk has warned potential migrants not to risk coming to Europe.
Speaking after talks with the Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras, Tusk said unilateral actions by EU member states is hurting solidarity and must stop.
I want to appeal to all potential illegal economic migrants wherever you are from.
Do not come to Europe.
Okay, that's clip of the day.
Oh, thank you.
It's not even over yet.
Just end it there.
I'll just end it.
I'll just end it.
Wait a minute.
I gotta ISO that.
Hold on a second.
Do not come to Europe.
Wherever you are from, do not come to Europe.
That's a great ISO. Okay, we'll keep it right there.
That's fabulous.
All right.
The only ISO I collected, I was going to put it in the clip blitz, but I'm going to give it to you now, is the Clinton History Books ISO. Oh, yeah.
I saw a picture of this.
Yesterday was one for the history books.
History books?
Yeah, history books.
Hold on.
I'll put that in the montage bucket here.
Oops, did I get the right one?
Okay.
Um, alright.
Well, let's go.
Let me, boy, I'm on it.
Oh, okay.
But I have more.
I have more short and funnies.
Okay, play him.
Short and funnies.
I'm obsessed with the migrant.
Okay, well, Britain and France.
So Britain is talking about the Brexit leaving the European Union, and France is very clear what will happen if they do that.
France has warned Britain that it will let thousands of migrants head to its shores if the country opts to leave the EU. Take that, you limey ass!
We're sending all these stinkers your way, right through the channel.
In an interview with the Financial Times, French Economy Minister Emmanuel Macron said a Brexit would affect a deal which allows Britain to maintain border controls in France.
His view echoes recent comments by British Prime Minister David Cameron that a migrant camp in Calais known as the Jungle could move to southern England if Britain leaves the EU.
Thousands of migrants fleeing the war and poverty have converged on the French port over the past year.
But with Cameron meeting French President Francois Hollande for security and migration talks today, opponents of EU memberships say Macron's comments are part of a carefully orchestrated campaign to scare British voters.
Yo!
So what they're saying, by the way, I've got a clip for the jungle teardown.
Apparently they're tearing that thing down.
Yeah, yeah.
There's video of it everywhere.
So what the guy is saying is that if the British leave the EU, they're going to pack a train full of, I guess, cargo cars or something, fill them up with these 5,000 or 10,000 of these guys.
Everybody on the train!
Everybody on the train!
Everybody on the train, not necessarily a good idea for coming from Europe, but...
They shoot the train over there.
And then before anyone can do anything, they open up all the cargo doors and run for it.
You know, the train thing reminds me of another clip that I picked up.
Everybody on the train to Dachau!
Man, this should be a subject of such outrage.
It should be, but nobody's outraged.
They're outraged by Trump.
In fact, here's one.
The Germans are worried sick about Trump.
Here's from the Deutsche Welle.
This is what the Germans are thinking about Trump.
How would the German government feel about seeing Donald Trump as the next U.S. president?
Well, on a visit to Washington, Germany's foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, indirectly criticized the Republican frontrunner's stance on migration and what he called the politics of fear.
Trump himself has taken aim at Berlin's policies in his campaign, leaving many to wonder how relations between the two countries would change if indeed he ends up winning.
Peaceful and in recent years friendly once again could describe the mood between the U.S. Secretary of State and Germany's foreign minister and transatlantic relations overall.
But now German policymakers feel this friendship is at risk.
And all because of this man, Donald Trump.
It's unlikely he'll ever be a close friend of Germany.
To him, that crazy country that takes in refugees.
We're not letting the Syrians come into our country.
We have no idea who they were.
They could be ISIS. Look at what's happened with Germany.
Look at what's happened to Sweden.
Look at what's happened to Brussels.
It's not going to happen to our country.
This shrill tone is worrying Germany's otherwise sedate foreign policy makers.
Donald Trump as U.S. president is something that the German foreign minister didn't want to directly comment on in Washington.
Instead, he had these words to say to a group of students.
In Germany and in Europe, something is gaining momentum in our domestic politics.
And to be honest, I'm also seeing it here in the United States during the primary campaigns.
It's the politics of fear.
It's dangerous for Europe and the U.S. It's bad for the world.
And in the end, it will also be bad for our transatlantic relations.
Leading Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton at least has the advantage of being predictable from the foreign minister's point of view.
They've known each other since her days as Secretary of State.
The German government views Clinton as a far better choice than Trump.
I'm glad you played that clip for it.
It accentuates that all the opposition to the elitist, the people who want the multicultural society and everything be Kumbaya.
We're all in a way.
We're all we don't see color.
We're all in a gray world, whatever that.
Yeah, they all are accused of the same thing by the established elite.
They're Nazis, they're far-right, they're racist, they're xenophobes, bigots, nutjobs, whack jobs, religious crazies, all the things that the established elite, which is a socialist concept of we're all happy.
No, you're all gray.
I grew up in a socialist country.
You're gray.
That's why the Russian...
Trucks, the government, everything gray.
Everything's gray.
Well, that's funny you say that.
Because I was doing, I've got this little thing going on on Twitter where I do the forgotten cars.
Yeah, I like that a lot.
A lot of people seem to like it, so I'm continuing it.
And one of the things I noticed, I was thinking there's even an essay possibly in this about the gray thing which you just said.
Um...
I'm looking at these cars, and especially in the 1950s after World War II, these cars are colorful, and this was brought to mind because I did one car that was an old Willys or a Rio or something, and it was yellow.
I said, oh, yellow car, crazy!
They had two-toned cars, three-toned cars that were just astonishing looking by today's standards that were pink and black and all these different colors.
Pink, black, and white is one of the color schemes on the Dodge.
All these colors.
And then all of a sudden...
Red and white on the Corvette.
Red and white.
Going toward the 80s and the 90s, the cars all become gray.
If I look at the freeway, the car I'm watching cars go by, there's a kind of a light beige, a white, white, gray.
Were these cars also priced lower, the gray cars, was it just a lower price to incentivize people to enter their life of green?
We always used to have these things called stripped-down models, and those are always the cheap cars.
But no, there wasn't...
I mean, you could still get a car any color you wanted, but there was a huge variety of colors.
As long as it's gray.
Sorry?
Any car you want, as long as it's gray.
Well, nowadays, I'm looking, there's gray, white, black, black, white.
This is the three colors I see.
There's a light beige.
I'm looking at the freeway.
There's a light beige.
There's white.
There's gray.
There's black car every once in a while.
White, white, white.
Gray, gray, gray.
It sucks!
I have not seen a yellow or even a blue car go by.
I mean, blue is like, whoa, what a wild car!
Well, that seems to be...
The reflection of the society.
Yes, it seems to be what people are trained to do.
Just see everything gray.
Everybody's gray.
Gray is in.
Yeah.
Well, I like the colors.
I like all the colorful people.
The invalids.
Those are my favorite.
Anyway, I'm still looking out there for a blue or a red car and I haven't seen one.
How about the Zephyr?
Or yellow.
The Zephyr.
The Zephyr's long gone.
Alright, you want to do a clip blitz?
The little short ones?
Hold on a second.
You want to do a clip blitz?
Yep, we can do that.
Everybody, here we go.
Time out.
33!
Clip blitz!
Clip blitz!
Blitz!
Alright, John, I want you to clip blitz.
Bring it on.
Bill O'Reilly, dragging wife.
Bill O'Reilly, dragging wife.
E-I-E-I-O. For Fox News host Bill O'Reilly has lost residential custody of his two teenage children following a lengthy custody battle during which his 17-year-old daughter told a forensic examiner that she watched O'Reilly dragging her mother down a staircase by her neck.
Although the New York Appeals Court ruled O'Reilly's two children should live solely with their mother, Maureen McPhilmy, O'Reilly still maintains shared legal custody over them.
Red, 33, 2...
Alright, Clint Blitz!
Clint Blitz!
Clint Blitz!
Bill Clinton G. We should have the list known beforehand.
I was very affected by the fascist attempt to take over in Spain.
So I bought out of the army.
Then I didn't know how to get to Spain until one day I was going to work.
What is that?
I'm sorry.
I thought that was Bill Clinton.
That was an error.
Concord II. This is a good one, John.
Well, supersonic air travel could soon be on course for a comeback.
Flying faster than the speed of sound is something the Concorde jet made possible until it was taken out of service 13 years ago.
But now NASA has awarded a $20 million contract to American defense contractor Lockheed Martin to develop a new supersonic aircraft.
The plan is to have a passenger plane ready for takeoff by the year 2020.
Well, some conditions have already been set.
The supersonic plane will have to be more fuel-efficient and a whole lot quieter than the good old Concorde.
It has to be green.
Green Concorde.
This is where I get to tell my Concorde trivia, because we never talk about the Concorde.
One, the Concorde, after it crashed in Germany with a German company that had leased it out for a party.
Bad day.
A real day wrecker, that was.
Did receive an airworthiness certificate and was scheduled to make its maiden voyage re-entering into the aviation world on what date?
September 11th.
You nailed it.
That's right.
September 11th, 2001.
There you go.
And I flew on the Concorde a couple times.
Yeah, well, I'm going to fly on this next one.
Yeah.
Onward with Clip Blitz.
Red 33!
Clip Blitz!
Google car.
Yeah, I heard about this one.
Well, meanwhile, Google says one of its self-driving cars has hit a bus.
The accident in the city of Mountain View...
I love that one.
It was going two miles an hour, but still, it proves that it made an unwise decision based upon the science and the algorithm, which I just call skip logic.
Yeah.
And this is all anti-Google self-driving car.
I think so.
I think this is the beginning.
We're going to see a bunch of this kind of thing.
Here's a story nobody's played up at all, and I think it's important.
This is the Iraq update dam.
In Iraq, U.S. officials are warning the country's largest dam is facing a, quote, unprecedented risk of catastrophic failure.
The U.S. embassy warns if the Mosul dam collapses, hundreds of thousands of people would be at risk of drowning and more than a million people would be displaced.
Meanwhile, a spate of deadly suicide bombings by ISIL in Iraq have killed more than 130 people over the last few days.
I seen this crop up.
I've seen this story crop up.
We talked about this on the show a while ago, that when Mosul Dam was also in play, oh, if they blow that up, then all these people downstream will die.
They're bringing this back for some reason.
Let me finish clip blitz with this.
My favorite story, this is a Bay Area story, cop fights prisoners.
Formal charges have been filed against two San Francisco sheriff's deputies and a former deputy.
They're all accused of forcing jail inmates to fight each other for entertainment in a gladiator-style fight club.
KTVU's Henry Link tells us San Francisco's district attorney detailed the charges during a news conference today.
San Francisco District Attorney George Gascon says the deputies forced county jail inmates Ricardo Garcia and Stanley Harris, who is much bigger than Garcia, to fight each other at least twice in the jail on Bryant Street.
Then deputies Scott New allegedly told the two inmates that if they didn't fight each other, he'd handcuff them, mace or tase them, beat them or send them to a different jail.
This crime severely undermined the moral authority of the honest, hardworking deputies that work hard day in and day out To protect us.
We call this sort of a Game of Thrones gladiator fight.
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.
This is your police.
Yeah, yeah, gosh.
Board...
Prison guards.
Yeah.
Well, John, thank you very much.
That was, I have to say, a very, very good clip.
That's right, going to give you...
That's right, everybody.
And that should wrap it up, John.
I think so.
I think it wraps it up for me.
Outstanding.
Well, I have...
What did I have?
We didn't get...
Oh, I have MH17, MH370 news, and I'll have it all on Sunday.
Sunday.
Sunday.
I just want to tease that it is not a coincidence that they find a possible piece of MH370 on the same day that there's a big brouhaha in Dutch Parliament about lack of government...
A disclosure on the MH17 over Ukraine that they have never even looked at the radar images the U.S. has.
And this will turn into something big.
And I'll have the report for you on Sunday.
Sunday.
Sunday, Sunday, Sunday.
I'll look forward to it.
Okay.
All right.
Oh, I met the mayor of Austin last night.
Should talk about that on Sunday as well.
He, he, he, he.
Yeah, he.
Kind of a guy.
Yeah, nice guy.
Bad suit.
All right, everybody, remember us for Sunday right here.
And coming to you from the skyscraper in downtown Austin Tejas, the Crackpot Condo in the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley, where it looks like we're going to start getting rain again, even though we had a lot of really great weather for the last two weeks.
But it looks like rain's coming, even though this is probably going to be mild.
So much for this bullcrap El Nino.
I'm John C. Dvorak.
We'll talk to you again on Sunday, right here on No Agenda.
Don't hate.
Do not come to Europe.
Okay, you know what?
No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no.
What?
Listen.
You're in my house.
Drinking the booze.
No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no.
Shame on you.
Yesterday was one for the history books.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Get up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Get up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We'll be carrying babies in their testicles.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And giving birth to them through their anus.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When you start carrying a baby in your bag.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And bursting that baby through your ass.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know?
This is the Lord.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is the Lord!
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Donald claims to care about him.
Donald, you said Donald, Donald.
I understand rules are very hard for you.
You're doing a great job.
I have this book.
Okay, now I have this book.
Thank you for the book, Donald.
Thank you for the book.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
You can get back.
You're a lot of fun up here.
Thank you for the fun.
Don't, don't, don't.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Yeah, yeah.
Go ahead.
My name is...
Nothing about you.
You lose me so badly.
You don't know what...
Gentlemen.
The latest debate.
Gentlemen, please.
I want to move out.
These are the rules.
Here we go.
Here we go.
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