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	So how can you cite no proof?
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, February 25th, 2016, and time once again for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, episode 802.
	This is no agenda.
	We are your oasis in a sea of media malarkey, and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state in Austin Tejas, FEMA Region 6 in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, without further ado, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	Where the C stands for?
	Uh...
	The first thing that comes to mind, I can't say.
	Yeah, we've got to be on time today, John.
	We've got to move it along.
	We've got to move the show along.
	Moving along.
	Because I've got to get out of here on time.
	You're leaving today?
	Right after the show, I've got to go pick up the Airstream of Consciousness.
	And then...
	Because they close at 6.
	So I got...
	And this...
	Well, hold on.
	I'm done.
	It's like 3 o'clock.
	Okay, it gives you three hours.
	If we're lucky, if we have no technical problems.
	And then I've got to drive down to Buda, and of course it's prime traffic and everything.
	Oh, that's right, you have a traffic, you're in this Thursday, which means you have a commute.
	Yeah, so it's about a nine-hour drive to Fayetteville, Arkansas.
	Well, that sounds like fun.
	Yeah, so we're going to stay overnight north of Dallas, about halfway.
	Zephyr.
	You know, it occurs to me that the Zephyr's on a schedule.
	Yes.
	What is the time?
	Ooh, it's early today.
	It's 9.14.
	It usually hits around 9.16.
	Alrighty.
	Yes, it is on the schedule.
	That's what it's supposed to be.
	After eight years, it occurred to me it's on the schedule.
	Maybe it always...
	You know what's funny about it is every once in a while, you're watching these passenger trains go by, and they'll be like the Zephyr go by, and you see it, and you look over there, it's going like three miles an hour.
	Yeah.
	For some unknown reason.
	Somehow Zephyr doesn't sound right if it's going three miles an hour.
	No.
	It just doesn't sound like the right thing.
	Anti-Zephyr.
	I'd like to start in the Euroland.
	Do you know what a Zephyr is, by the way?
	Do I know what a Zephyr is?
	Yeah.
	It's a train.
	It's a wind storm of a certain type that's very common to Nevada.
	Right, but it's kind of like the names that are used on RVs and trailers.
	Scorpion.
	Adventurer.
	Outback.
	Zephyr.
	Zephyr.
	Dental floss.
	Yeah, we got big crap happening over there in the Eurolands.
	Yeah, I have a few clips, too.
	Let me kick it off.
	We...
	The never-ending conversations in the EU and at Starfleet Command about, you know, what are we going to do with these migrants?
	Well, we should have quotas.
	You have some.
	We have some.
	Well, maybe we'll just have a coalition of the willing of some Eurozone countries who will take migrants.
	And bottom line, there is no solution.
	And now...
	Of all things, Greece is getting shafted again.
	First, let's get an update.
	My clips are about the same exact thing.
	Well, let's get a kick in here. let's get a kick in here.
	Having decided to send ships to the Aegean Sea to tackle criminal networks smuggling refugees into Europe, NATO says it's playing its part in addressing this humanitarian tragedy.
	The Alliance has agreed a plan for its operations that will overcome territorial sensitivities between Greece and Turkey.
	But as deals are made and disputes continue, the migrants and refugees keep coming.
	Some 100,000 have already arrived this year, with many more expected in the summer.
	Okay, so what is happening is the countries around Greece are closing their borders so that the refugees come in and then they can't go anywhere.
	They're now stuck there.
	Greece, which had no problems to start with.
	And here is a quick report on the response and how Cyprus is feeling about this.
	With migrant numbers stacking up in Greece, there's tough talk from Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras.
	He says Athens will block future European Union agreements if member states don't do more to share the burden of the crisis.
	Migrants are now getting trapped in Greece because of tougher border checks elsewhere.
	What we refuse to do is accept the transformation of our country into a permanent warehouse of souls, and at the same time continue to act within the European Union and at summits, as if there's nothing wrong.
	No, there's nothing wrong.
	Permanent.
	What did you say?
	Warehouse of souls.
	Yeah, this is...
	This really...
	Who needs a Brexit?
	Britain doesn't need to get out of the EU. Just wait until it falls apart and walk away.
	Just back up.
	That's about what's going to happen.
	Well, let me...
	I got my material from Deutsche Welle, so we have...
	You've been liking Deutsche Welle a lot lately.
	Yes, I moved to it.
	Oh, good.
	Good, good.
	And I guess because they have good reports and they seem fairly objective, but they don't give the needle to their own country so much.
	But this all stemmed, the crisis stemmed with the Macedonia stopping the border.
	But the main thing seems to be this Austrian meeting.
	And what happened was Austria decided to do...
	They had a meeting in the EU and they decided everything and then a bunch of spin-offs, a little group, took off from the main meeting and started their own meeting.
	It was the coalition of the unwilling, I think.
	And this will be the clip here is refugee crisis splitting Europe.
	I'm Brent Goff.
	It's good to have you with us.
	New signs tonight that the massive influx of refugees is splitting Europe.
	Today, Vienna hosted a summit of Balkan leaders.
	The EU, especially Greece, are outraged that they were not invited to take part.
	Hungary's Prime Minister has called for a referendum on whether to accept European Union mandates for the resettlement of refugees.
	And everywhere, borders and barriers are being erected where once there were none.
	Keep out.
	That is Hungary's message to migrants.
	It was the first country to seal off its border last year.
	But now, other countries have followed suit.
	All along the Balkan route towards northwest Europe, movement is grinding to a halt.
	700 migrants are stranded after Macedonia suspended its train services northwards.
	Their frustration is palpable.
	Stop for a second.
	I have to give you what this looks like when they're showing it.
	I was going to say, it's the first time in history migrants actually want to get on the train.
	It's surprising.
	Yeah, so there's this huge train.
	It's like, I don't know, 40 cars.
	It's like the Zephyr.
	Well, it's not quite like this effort.
	It's a little beat up.
	And it's sitting on a siding filled with these guys and they just left it there.
	So the main line is going by.
	So people are just sitting in that train hanging off of it and it's not moving?
	Yeah.
	Oh gosh.
	They're sitting in it.
	They're living in the train.
	Oh man.
	And it's a huge train and they're all in there and the Macedonians or whoever is supposed to be running that part of the line, they just refuse to touch this thing.
	So they Leave it there.
	So it's turning into like a train slum.
	Oh man.
	And it's actually quite a funny image to see it.
	Anyway, onward.
	We are so tired because for an hour we stay in this area.
	From this area to there, four hours.
	And all those are very tired.
	800 kilometers further south, the effect of the gridlock is being felt.
	Greece is the entry point to Europe for migrants fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East and Africa.
	For many, their journey has stalled here.
	This northern border camp is filling up, and so are reception centers in Greece's big cities.
	With more refugees arriving every day, the United Nations is calling for an urgent solution.
	What we have been urging for a long time is for a common strategy in order to deal with the refugee crisis in Europe.
	This is not only a Greek problem, so all European states should try to solve this in a common way.
	But European countries remain divided over how to tackle the migrant influx.
	A mandatory quota system remains disputed.
	Until a solution is found, the refugees' future is unclear.
	Greece is warning of a humanitarian crisis.
	No kidding.
	Now...
	The only problem, I will say, the only problem I have with Deutsche Welle is that they have to have everybody speaking in English since it's the American Indians.
	Euronews does that too.
	They can't find anyone who can actually speak English.
	So it's actually very funny often.
	Well, so onward, taking it back down to Greece, they did have a correspondent at the Greek-Macedonian border, a Greek, and they brought up some of these issues you brought up in that first clip.
	And this will be the Greek-Macedonian clip.
	Well, hard to say for the moment.
	I think Greece was quite surprised by what is happening today in what happened in Austria, where Austria hosted a conference on the refugee crisis without inviting Greece and also some other key member states in the European Union.
	Greek Foreign Minister Kodzia spoke of an unfriendly act And Migration Minister Muzalas even said that this is something like a coup d'etat.
	It can't be that European leaders agree on a common European policy for tackling, solving the refugee crisis.
	And just a few days after that, some ministers or some chief police officers decide that this agreement is not valid anymore.
	And Giannis, you know, we have talked many times about other types of crises in Greece.
	Do you see this as a new Greek crisis?
	And is Greece tonight on its own?
	Is it alone in this crisis?
	Well, of course, it is a big question, a crucial question, whether the financial crisis and the refugee crisis are somehow linked.
	But I believe that after what is happening nowadays, especially in northern Greece, many people, many Greeks, will wonder whether European agreements are still valid and this may have an impact on the financial crisis as well.
	Oh man, that is rancid.
	Is the word.
	Rancid!
	So, the way I see it, the way I see it.
	It's like they're targeted.
	Well, let's solve the problem.
	Hey, let's say, hey, we got an idea.
	I got an idea.
	Hey, hey, hey, hey.
	I got an idea.
	Let's just cut the borders off at the top of Greece so they have to, so those migrants just build up.
	Yeah.
	And they end up taking over the place.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's a good one.
	Yeah, that would go.
	See if they're going to be late with their payments from now on.
	It's unbelievable.
	They should just call Donald Trump, build a wall up there on the border of Greece.
	Keep everyone in there.
	They'll still be clogged in Greece.
	They're letting him into Greece.
	That's the whole point.
	They're not allowed to get out of Greece.
	It's like the roach motel of migrants.
	Once they get in, they never get out.
	Police class.
	Yes.
	Meanwhile...
	I laugh, but I'm...
	I've been to Greece.
	We feel bad about this.
	We're laughing because it's just so ridiculously rancid.
	Because we're crying inside.
	So the Brexit thing comes up, of course, because this is still in play.
	This is like a distraction to the Brexit action.
	This is the British Euro exit, just for people who don't know.
	The Brexit.
	Leave it.
	The Brits are going to have an election, I guess it's about eight weeks.
	Yeah.
	They're going to have an election or a referendum to whether or not they should stay or leave the EU. Yeah.
	And personally, I don't see what the benefit of the EU is to the Brits.
	I think it's just a pain in the ass.
	But everybody's convinced that Britain can't live without the EU suddenly, even though they did fine for hundreds of years without this relationship.
	But now they can't do it.
	And so there's this clip again on Deutsche Welle, which of course would be against it, even though Deutsche Welle as a propaganda tool is a lot more subtle than our networks.
	Well, because they also get to...
	Use the inflection of the German accent so we talk a little bit like this.
	And you can sneak in all kinds of little things.
	Actually, most of the anchor people have perfect...
	They're British?
	They're either British or they have perfect fake accents.
	Yeah.
	So let's play this one.
	This is the only one.
	This is worth playing.
	This is the Brexit clip, which has a bunch of miscellaneous EU people...
	Oh, great.
	Oh, great.
	...yammering about why the British stay in and what this is all about from their perspective.
	It's referendum season, and the referendum is coming...
	A majority of EU parliamentarians has warned against a Brexit, which would have economic consequences for the British as well.
	That's also the reason that the Americans have already said to their cousins in Great Britain, don't go out.
	What are you doing?
	We're going to not make a trade deal with you alone.
	I'm most...
	I want to hop in.
	I want to hop in.
	What is this?
	You have to hop in.
	But first, let me just mention this.
	Whoever this bonehead is, and you can do his voice, apparently.
	Yes, I think so.
	What is his name?
	Hold on.
	What is his name?
	I thought his name was some pure, some long, cremming name.
	Where is he from?
	Where is he from?
	It didn't say.
	As if now he's from Holland.
	Would you allow me to back it up a little more?
	Before you go into your bit, let me say a couple of things that he said that his point is the following.
	Okay.
	And by the way, I want you to tell me if you've ever heard this, because I sure haven't.
	But he claims that the United States has been shaking their fist at Britain for even thinking about leaving the EU, telling Britain, why are you doing this?
	Because you've got such a good thing going.
	What do you stay?
	Stay, he goes on with.
	It's crazy Americans, man.
	They got these crazy ideas.
	First they elect an actor, Reagan-like president.
	Now they get this crazy Trump guy, reality show guy.
	You sound like you're from Israel.
	No, it is not like Israel.
	It's Dutch.
	Dutch is a little bit like Yiddish.
	EU parliamentarians has warned against the Brexit, which would have economic consequences for the British as well.
	Here's my brother.
	That's also the reason that the Americans have already said to their cousins in Great Britain...
	I like it how he's laughing.
	He thinks it's so funny.
	Don't go out.
	What are you doing?
	Don't go out.
	Stay in the place.
	We're not going to make a trade.
	We're not going to make a trade.
	You stay in.
	Don't go out of the Brexit, man.
	I'm mostly worried about the dismantling of social rights, but the deal had to happen.
	I think the show title is, don't go out.
	That's his version of don't leave the EU. Don't go out!
	These British EU politicians actually belong to the largest group of Eurosceptics in the EU Parliament.
	With the referendum on their heels, they are now the ones pleading the strongest case for Europe.
	This message keeps on going on about how bad things are in Europe, how it doesn't work.
	Actually, the fact is it is those 500 million people are still the world's largest, still the world's wealthiest marketplace, bigger than the United States of America.
	Are you telling me the United Kingdom would want to leave that and stand on the outside?
	That would be madness.
	In the end, the Britain deal might bring Europe even closer together than ever before.
	The only thing that can be of interest to Britain at this point and the EU is banking.
	The former New York banker?
	Yes.
	Who lives here in Austin?
	Yeah.
	He says that every single one of his old Deutsche Bank colleagues is starting their own bank and they're all doing it in London.
	The city of London, obviously.
	The city of London is...
	I don't have a clip of this, but there was some other...
	And it always seemed to be centered around the City of London.
	The real fear is that the EU loses the City of London.
	That is their jewel.
	That's the crown jewel of the City of London.
	Yep.
	It's got its own laws, it's got its own whole thing, the little bitty enclave.
	Which is where Farage hangs out, by the way.
	And there's some obvious benefit, otherwise all these guys wouldn't be doing that.
	And these are former traders, guys who cannot make money in American banking anymore.
	And so they're all over there in the City of London setting up banks.
	I presume investment banks could just be, who knows, what kind of bank.
	Don't know.
	But it's all City of London, which has its own rules and is not necessarily beholden to the laws of Britain itself.
	That seems to be what this is really about, even though nobody's discussing that specifically.
	Right.
	They're just talking about the big, oh, you know, why would they...
	By the way, you noticed in that clip that the beautiful setup here, they showed three of the ministers from the UK and they said, "These are the Euro skeptics." And then they come on with just the opposite message.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we want to...
	Yeah, exactly.
	In other words, you're setting it.
	This is a great way to set this up if you want to do a little propaganda analysis.
	You say, here's the guys most likely to be against the whole thing.
	What do they think?
	And then you throw the mic on them and they all think, we should stay because it would be madness to leave.
	Why would it be madness to leave?
	Switzerland, by the way, is not in the EU, and they're doing just fine.
	I don't know why it would be madness unless all these guys are somehow connected to banking.
	That's all I can think of.
	It's not for the food.
	For reals.
	Although it's gotten pretty cheap over there.
	What is it?
	The pound is low again.
	It's down to $1.39, $1.36.
	Yes, the pound has been crashing only because of this Brexit.
	I think the pound will stay low.
	Not a bad time to do that pub crawl.
	I heard you and Horowitz talking about a no-agenda DH-unplugged pub crawl in London.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I'm all in.
	Well, everybody seems to be...
	At least that's what the chitchat.
	We have to set up a website.
	If we're going to do that, it has to be done.
	We'll get my buddy, Michelle, who owns clubs.
	We'll have him open up the club for us.
	It has to be done before the Brexit vote.
	Ooh, yes.
	Because the pound will be depressed until then.
	Yeah, it'll be cheap.
	Well, Tina, the Keeper and I are going to Europe last week of April...
	First week of May.
	So if you want to join us.
	I might be able to swing by.
	On your way to Bora Bora.
	Well, Iceland Air has a number of deals that they're...
	Okay.
	You fly via Greenland then, don't you?
	I would like to fly via Greenland.
	That would be very cool.
	They have to stop in Greenland to get more coal, I think.
	So they stop in Reykjavik and he gives you a couple hours to do some shopping at the wool shop at the airport.
	That's my recommendation to anyone passing through.
	Yeah, you've mentioned this many years ago, how dynamite the shopping is at the Reykjavik airport.
	Well, the shopping for wool.
	Oh, it's just for wool.
	Okay.
	Yeah, they have a wool shop.
	When I went to Iceland, this may be changed because this was over 10 years ago, but when I went, I went to the wool shops around it because Icelandic wool is a fantastic product for sweaters and blankets.
	Excellent.
	So I went all over the place.
	And after I did that, as I was leaving, I'd go to the airport wool shop and I'd go, why did I waste my time?
	Yeah, when you could have done it right there.
	The airport wool shop had fantastic stuff.
	So, just a tip.
	Anyway, I'm all for this pub crawl and let's talk about it.
	Let's have a meeting.
	Let's have a meeting.
	If we really must.
	You need a steering committee for this one.
	Well, we're going to do a meetup on Saturday in Fayetteville.
	Yes, you're doing a meetup in Fayetteville.
	Yes.
	So that'll be Saturday, I think, 7 to 10, and Friday, I'm sorry, Friday, 7 to 10.
	You can find all this at meetup.com slash noagenda.
	And then Saturday, Trump is in Arkansas.
	Yes, I heard that.
	Somebody has a ticket for you.
	Yeah.
	No, the way I, here's what I think.
	Now, there is one slight problem because, you know, Saturday night is show night.
	I don't know if this is an evening event or...
	Prep night.
	It's prep night, yeah.
	But I think I should go.
	I think I should just go see what's happening.
	Well, I was thinking about this.
	And I think you should go, too.
	I want to go pick up our check.
	Right.
	That's a good one.
	Got me there.
	A couple milliseconds missed.
	Okay.
	I think the following.
	One, it may be one of those overbook deals and you're just going to be standing outside.
	In the overflow area.
	Is there a long line?
	Do you really want to stand in a long line to go in and listen to a speech?
	Well, if it's crappy, I'll just turn around and leave.
	I mean, that's easy.
	Well, yeah, but the thing I think would be nice to be inside so you can get a feel of it.
	Some of the vibe, the atmosphere.
	I agree.
	The vibe, you get the vibe.
	I agree.
	So, in that kind of regard, even because one of the colleges around put Heil Hitler on a newspaper about Trump, and it's just the sort of thing that's going on.
	I've got to say something about that, just because you brought it up.
	Yesterday, I was testing out the...
	The portable rig, because of course, we're going on a road trip, so I want to bring the ham radio gear.
	So I'm testing it out, and this is low wattage, 10 watts, and I get in contact with the Whiskey One Oscar Echo Romeo.
	Now, I recall having, and this is all digital mode, by the way, this is just typing on the computer and it goes through the transceiver through the air, and he's in Waltham, Massachusetts.
	It's already cool I got that at 10 watts.
	He's 91 years old and served during World War II, the Battle of the Bulge.
	And, you know, 91.
	And say, hey, can I ask you a question?
	Again, this is all just typing it out, so I actually copied his answer.
	I said, you know, since you were kind of around when Hitler was in power, does Donald Trump sound anything like Hitler did at the time?
	Is it the same kind of rhetoric?
	Is it the same talk?
	You might as well ask the guy who was there, right?
	Yeah.
	His answer was...
	No.
	He does not at all sound like Hitler.
	I think Donald Trump will make a fine president if he gets elected, of course.
	He and a lot of people like him of...
	Who are all Trump supporters are being classified as Nazis, as Hitler-Yugans.
	No, no, no.
	I'm going off and drop that.
	I do have a follow-up to that, but I'm talking about these guys who are coming out of the woodwork.
	They're called lost voters and it's being studied because all these lost voters are going for Trump.
	And I have a clip, coincidentally, since you brought the old man up, called Lost Voters.
	Okay, it's not called lost.
	Oh, there it is.
	It is called lost voters.
	According to a Reuters IPSOS survey, one in ten voters who went to the polls in South Carolina today is a so-called lost voter.
	Apathetic Americans who had given up on the process until now.
	Who was the last president you remember voting for?
	Uh, Ronald Reagan.
	That was 36 years ago, when 64-year-old Charles Parrish was a firefighter.
	Indifferent since President Reagan left office, Parrish says he's now back, involved in politics, because of Donald Trump.
	The man's a billionaire.
	So what is it really for him to gain?
	Well, you could say more power, perhaps.
	Maybe.
	But I mean, the man's already powerful.
	So, to me, he's more apt to do the right thing for the country.
	Surveys showed 27% of the lost voters break for Trump.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And meanwhile, on the History Channel or the Heroes Channel or one of those channels...
	There's a channel called the Heroes Channel?
	Yes.
	Nice.
	I've got to look that one up.
	And they have...
	It's very similar.
	I think it's even run by the History Channel.
	And H2 is a good example of the international one.
	But they recently, of course, they do a lot of Hitler stuff.
	Yeah.
	Because his popularity is bigger than ever, I hear.
	He's trending.
	He's trending.
	So one of the things that they did, which I watched, which was recent, were...
	And this was fascinating.
	Home movies.
	All home movies that the Germans took, whether they were in...
	Because a lot of people, even during the war, had these little 16mm cameras.
	And as always, you know, these guys are nerds.
	They're in the army and they're taking movies.
	They're at home, they're just taking movies.
	They're making little movies constantly.
	So they had...
	Like, two or maybe more hours of these movies.
	And they would show these crazy movies, and then they'd splice over different kinds of quotes from writers of the era explaining what they were seeing that related to the movies.
	And so I ran into this one and had the clip, and it's from a writer who was an author, I guess a German name, Friedrich Mollemliwen or something.
	Oh, sounds like one of our donors.
	Well, it's worse.
	But this was, and this was about Hitler's, Hitler had a 50th birthday party, I think in the late 30s, that was considered one of the biggest birthday parties that anybody ever threw, for themselves especially, in history.
	And this guy is discussing, he's at the thing, talking about what he's seeing.
	And this is the clip.
	These people are insane.
	I witnessed the festivities.
	I witnessed the festivities.
	I heard the clamor.
	Saw the enraptured faces of the women.
	Through it all, this moronic roar of pile.
	Hysterical females.
	Adolescents in a trance.
	An entire people in the spiritual state of worldly dervishes.
	These people are insane.
	Nice!
	And the movie was perfect because it was mostly these women.
	It was like...
	It sounds more like Bernie Sanders than Donald Trump, honestly.
	It looks like Bernie Sanders.
	It looks like the Beatles.
	And you see these people in the crowds being pushed back by the police, and they're screaming, and they're going nuts over their rock star, who is Hitler.
	And when he says these people are insane, they had this shot, some whole movie guy's shot of some woman who just looked nuts.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, I don't think this is going on at the Trump guys.
	Yeah, they like to yell and scream and Trump wants to punch someone in the face and everybody thinks that's hilarious.
	But Bernie Sanders rallies are much more like Hitler.
	Rolling Stone had a big article about Trump and pretty much in the opening paragraph it starts with, you know, we haven't seen this since Hitler.
	It's how America...
	Actually, the title of it is How America Made Donald Trump Unstoppable.
	Please, please, Mr.
	President!
	We can't stand it anymore!
	We don't want it!
	Shut up.
	That's enough of that.
	And if you think about these two guys, they're both packing them in, there's no doubt about it.
	But Bernie has a...
	If you listen to Bernie's stuff, which you don't get to see so much, he is screaming and yelling and losing his voice.
	Yeah, he's more like Mussolini than anybody.
	Much more so.
	Trump is just ad-libbing an hour.
	He comes out and starts talking, he's rambling about this and that.
	I realize something amidst all of this.
	In 1972, I moved to the Netherlands.
	So I was in Europe, socialist Europe, but, you know, what it was, around the time Ronald Reagan got elected, which I think was what, 81, 82?
	82, I'm going to say.
	80.
	80, okay, 80.
	And I realized that what has happened now, so I was a very socialist country.
	America has taken all of those values that I recognize now from growing up in Europe around the time Ronald Reagan was running, because all you would hear was...
	Oh, this guy, he's a movie actor.
	Oh, man, this guy, he's good.
	And the same, you know, disdain, you know, he's horrible.
	How can this be?
	Leader of the free world.
	That attitude has now been co-opted by a large population of the United States.
	It's so recognizable.
	They can't believe that this guy could become president.
	And that says a lot.
	It says a lot about what happened.
	I don't think it's been co-opted because it was the same exact rhetoric that Reagan was running.
	It's been co-opted by not just about him being an actor, but the disdain and how what he says is it's not, you know, oh, you can't say that, you can't talk like that.
	Well, the difference is...
	Cultural Marxism, I should say, perhaps.
	The difference between Reagan and Trump...
	Is Reagan was offset because he did run in 76 and then he was ridiculed and they cut him off at the knees and he didn't get in so he got in in 80.
	The same thing could happen to Trump.
	Not arguing that, I'm just saying.
	The difference between the two insofar as the way they were ridiculed is that Reagan was much more prepared insofar as he gave prepared speeches.
	Right, right, right.
	He was very circumspect.
	He was the governor of California for a while so he learned his...
	You know, when to shut up.
	Trump never got that training.
	So that's really the main difference between the two of them.
	But the disdain was there.
	The disdain was there.
	Actor.
	I'm just saying I feel the same vibe that I felt in Europe when it was Ronald Reagan.
	Not here.
	I wasn't here.
	But in Europe.
	Now, what I'm seeing the media do right now, and I'm just seeing this as kind of a broad spectrum, media is saying, oh, well, it's because we gave them so much attention.
	Now they have to...
	Blaming themselves.
	Yes.
	It's always about them.
	Yes, yes.
	So here's Chuck Todd, who actually did quite a long bit.
	About Trump.
	Chuck Todd, is he meet the neighbors?
	Meet the press.
	Meet the meat.
	Here he is on Trump and the media's role.
	A common criticism you've heard is that Trump's rise is the media's fault because we enabled his rise.
	But folks, you could argue the media has also provided all the material that normally a campaign would want to put together an attack against Trump.
	You don't have to look far for this stuff, folks.
	PolitiFact's 2015 lie of the year was a litany of Trump's statements on the campaign trail.
	Pick an issue.
	And there are others.
	I love how he just says that without actually picking an issue and saying which one it was.
	Stories all over the place about Trump's inconsistency.
	Here's what I mean.
	On Iraq, Trump said during a debate last fall that I'm the only person on this dais that fought very, very hard against us going into Iraq.
	But obviously we now know in 2002 when Howard Stern asked him, are you for invading Iraq?
	Trump responded, yeah, I guess so.
	Before the U.S. invaded Iraq in March of 2003, Trump went on Fox News and said, either you attack or you don't attack.
	After the invasion began, he told Fox Business that, quote, Wall Street is going to go up like a rocket because of it.
	And to cap it all off, here's what he told me on Sunday when I asked him about those original Howard Stern 2002 comments.
	I really don't even know what I mean because that was a long time ago and who knows what was in my head.
	Folks, nice edit.
	That's a way to do a hit piece.
	These are all inconsistencies that a normal campaign that was running against Donald Trump would probably put together in the TV ads.
	So he's turning it around and saying, hey, you shitheads, we've given you everything to put together horrible attack ads, which you should buy airtime from us for.
	And try to see if it would leave a mark with voters.
	Here's another example.
	Healthcare.
	Trump has said time and again that Obamacare is a total lie.
	But he's on the record years ago saying he's liberal on healthcare.
	And during a debate last summer, he praised single-payer healthcare saying, quote, it works in Canada.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So, it's not really us, no.
	The campaigns, we've given them everything they need to make commercials and buy airtime on our networks to air that.
	Here is...
	What's this woman's name?
	Camerota.
	Camerota from CNN. And she has something to say about Trump's dangerous rhetoric.
	But Jeffrey, see, there is provocation going on, but I think you're talking about it from a different side.
	I mean, let me just pull up for you one of the reporters, Katie Turr from NBC, she sent out this tweet about what happened last night.
	She says, Trump trashes press.
	Crowd jeers.
	Guy by press pen looks at us and screams, you are...
	B-word, basically.
	Hold on.
	Other gentlemen gives cameras the double bird.
	I mean...
	Woo!
	Somebody gave the camera the...
	Not a single.
	A double bird.
	Gentleman gives cameras the double bird.
	I mean, this is really...
	Outrageous!
	Counterproductive.
	Isn't this dangerous on some level?
	Look, first of all, there's no excuse for calling somebody the B-word.
	We can't say bitch on television?
	We can't say bitch anymore?
	It's just B-word?
	The B-word.
	You can't use the B-word.
	I think the B-word is burning, actually.
	I understand in that video.
	But here's the problem.
	Again, I saw this sentiment firsthand last night.
	People feel that the media distorts.
	They don't tell the truth.
	They portray Trump supporters as a bunch of bigots, rubes, racists, xenophobes, etc.
	Yes.
	When they're just hardworking folks who are out there, they're very concerned about the shape of their country.
	And they feel that they are being deliberately smeared by these folks.
	But Jeffrey, isn't it also that Donald Trump...
	What?
	What?
	No, I didn't yell anything.
	Oh, I thought you said yes, yes.
	I did, I said yes.
	We smeared by these folks.
	But Jeffrey, isn't it also that Donald Trump is...
	I mean, isn't he also ginning up that feeling?
	Ginning it up.
	You know, show us when we've labeled somebody a xenophobe.
	We've never done that!
	Who's a Trump supporter?
	Isn't Donald Trump ginning that up and making people feel violently against the press?
	I can point to editorials from all kinds of prompts.
	I mean, the Washington Post this very morning is going after editorial.
	Their editorial board is going after Donald Trump and his supporters.
	I mean, it's disgraceful.
	It's an absolute double standard.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, but the media has been tasked.
	They've got to get rid of them now.
	And they did that.
	This was very sneaky.
	Because we know how this kind of stuff works.
	These audio recordings don't just accidentally leave the studio.
	This is the hot mic, better known as the mics are open during the commercial break at MSNBC, the Morning Joe's show.
	With Trump.
	Did you see this?
	Or did you hear this?
	No, no, no.
	I know what it is going to be, though.
	Yeah.
	Well, the headline screams, Mika and Joe Scarborough promised to go easy on Trump.
	Softball questions.
	When really, this bit of audio, and this was leaked on purpose.
	And it's MSNBC. Always leaked on purpose.
	I mean, it's MSNBC. So, of course, they're going to leak this out.
	Big headlines everywhere.
	But this is really a very interesting piece of audio, in my opinion.
	Because you hear Trump knowing that he's not on.
	He is not broadcasting.
	Now, is he still on and functioning and thinking about what he's discussing with the host?
	Of course he is.
	You can actually hear a lot of his...
	What is the word I'm looking for?
	He's not as confident as you think he might be.
	So let's just listen in on this and we can comment whenever appropriate.
	I make a speech, get on a plane, make a speech.
	I'm working.
	Well, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, the Bloomberg poll, all the polls out today look great in South Carolina.
	All of them.
	They look good.
	But I'm being hit.
	You know, they're spending...
	$75 million on negative ads on me over the last two weeks.
	Are they catching on at all?
	What do you think?
	Are they catching on?
	See, he's actually saying, do you think these ads are catching on?
	Do you think that's working?
	The $75 million they spent on being negative?
	They're spending a tremendous amount on negative ads on me.
	Now, you know what I thought was the kind of...
	Wow moment was the guy you brought up on stage.
	Yeah, that was good.
	We played it several times this morning.
	We played it up against Obama.
	Both guys.
	Both guys.
	We played Obama first.
	The young guy was the champ.
	And then we played the guys.
	That's right.
	I watched your show this morning.
	You had me almost as a legendary figure.
	I'm like, no, I tell you, this morning, what we basically said today was we were completely wrong about the debate.
	Totally.
	And this, by the way, is very typical banter.
	For a television show.
	This kind of stuff is very normal.
	Very normal what you're hearing here.
	I don't hear anything bad.
	I should stop and mention one thing.
	There was a show that was a kind of behind...
	It was one of the greatest shows in the history of comedy called The Larry Sanders Show.
	And it was modeled after The Carson Show.
	Yeah, The Top Show.
	During his heydays, it was a night show.
	And the show was really a meta show, which made it so interesting.
	And they...
	They played, or of course this is all scripted, but it was still pretty down to earth about the way it works.
	They played all this stuff, you know, when they go to the break and then the host leans over to the guest and says something and whispers in their ear and they talk back and forth while the band's playing and the commercials are on.
	Well, this show, that was one of the places they went.
	So you had to hear the two guys talking.
	It was always like it had nothing to do with the show.
	It was sometimes about, you know, sometimes it was strategy about what you're going to talk about next and all that sort of thing.
	And this is exactly what they're playing here.
	This is what happens.
	What do you expect people to do?
	Hey now!
	Hank Kingsley!
	Good.
	Thank you for doing this.
	I'm doing it because I said, you know, you get great ratings and a raise.
	So this is very typical.
	Thanks for doing this.
	Yeah, no problem.
	You'll get great ratings and a raise.
	We're getting a real window into yours.
	So...
	Well...
	Just make us all look good.
	Exactly.
	So that's the offending quote right there.
	Just make us all look good.
	Just make us all look good.
	He doesn't even say, make me look good.
	He says, make us all look good.
	That's what you say.
	Hey, let's do a great show together.
	So how come Drudge...
	Exactly right.
	So they made a big scandal out of this.
	There is some interesting stuff coming up.
	Because you said, I won the debate show, and you think...
	Well, but so did the CBS Bowl.
	The next morning when I saw the CBS Bowl, I knew...
	Yeah, but still, I knew.
	I knew that...
	The people that mattered didn't think you lost it.
	I mean, you came in a strong second.
	And I'll tell you what was the most revealing thing is that Bush came in last.
	He came in last.
	The guy you fought came in last.
	He's a weak person.
	And at that point, I said to Mika, we don't know what to do.
	He's a weak person.
	He's a weak person.
	Oh, do you don't want me to do...
	This is consistent.
	Okay, so now she's saying, hey, this is what we're going to do in this segment.
	This is totally my experience with all television shows.
	She's saying, yeah, we'll do this, let's do that.
	We really have to get some questions.
	That's right.
	Nothing too hard, Mika.
	Okay.
	Nothing too hard, Mika.
	Okay.
	I think that was...
	For most people in the Republican establishment, sort of the final sign.
	Looking good.
	Because after this...
	Hey, we'll see what happens.
	So what are the chances that something bad could happen on Saturday for me?
	It's always a chance, right?
	See, this is interesting.
	Here's Donald Trump being, I think, vulnerable.
	He's saying, so what do you think my chances are on Saturday?
	Do you think it's looking good for me?
	Shows that he's cognizant of the situation.
	Hell yeah.
	So what are the chances that something bad could happen on Saturday for me?
	It's always a chance, right?
	Listen, it's like I said before Iowa.
	I said, I can't tell you Trump's ahead.
	I can't tell if he's going to win or not.
	But it's a caucus state.
	In primary states, look how close New Hampshire was.
	The polls were almost identical.
	You can take.
	A mix of these polls.
	And you can just overlay it.
	Except with caucus, because they change their mind.
	Except for caucus.
	Caucuses, they should get rid of caucuses.
	Oh, it's terrible.
	Nevada's a caucus state.
	I'm winning by 50%.
	But you're so far up in Nevada, according to this latest poll.
	They have a great building there.
	So I'm going to read this and then you take the question.
	It's kind of cool.
	Don't read the whole thing.
	No, no, no.
	I'm doing like bullets.
	We don't have enough time.
	No, I'm doing like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
	And then I just want to ask a general question.
	Okay.
	So she said, I'm doing bullets.
	Boom, boom, boom, boom.
	Trump says.
	It's kind of good.
	This is a beautiful set.
	Nice set.
	Yeah, it's a beautiful set.
	I hate those one-word bullet points.
	No, no, no, no.
	You're going to be okay.
	We're not going to do that.
	Yeah, I hate those one-word bullet points.
	This was very, very normal.
	No headline necessary.
	If anything, interesting to hear that he, what you said, he's very cognizant of the situation.
	He has questions.
	He wonders if he's doing okay.
	That was one of the better moments, I think.
	It was better than a normal show.
	So what?
	Who ran the big, how is this a scandal?
	Who ran it as a scandal?
	Let me see if I can find it in my notes.
	It's in the clips and dots.
	I mean, the Washington Post has been going after him like crazy.
	Yes.
	So Bezos is obviously...
	It has something to do with that.
	Well...
	I ran into a piece that was done on ABC, and ABC is still...
	They can't support Bush anymore, but they're still not on board with Trump.
	And they put out...
	It's kind of a mild hit piece, but it had a couple of...
	Things within the mechanism they used that I have to talk about and deconstruct because I think I've noticed this before, but I never...
	I noticed it, if you know what I mean.
	It's one of these things where you hear it and you listen to it when you're doing the...
	I had a couple of those last night, actually.
	So let's listen to this.
	This is the ABC Deconstruct Trump Slam New Tricks.
	Tom Yamos joins us live tonight.
	Tom, Donald Trump now coming under fire for refusing to release his tax returns before Super Tuesday.
	And tonight, a former Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, speaking out.
	That's right, David.
	Mitt Romney's saying he thinks there's likely a bombshell in Trump's tax returns.
	Romney, citing no proof, says he thinks Trump is not as rich as Trump claims to be, and he hasn't donated as much to charity as much as Trump has said.
	Now, Trump has responded tonight with a tweet saying that Mitt Romney is a fool and trying to act like a tough guy.
	The establishment is coming out and they're doing anything they can.
	Well, here's the interesting aspect of this particular piece.
	I like the way people are so used to hearing attributions and the way they're presented that if there's no attribution, Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And Mitt Romney citing no proof, and then he goes on.
	Citing no proof.
	Yeah.
	Citing no proof, that means why are you even discussing this yourself?
	You're a news station.
	You can't cite.
	There's nothing to cite.
	It's not like a citation is where I'm citing and this and this and this.
	I got these magazines.
	A citation is no proof is not a citation.
	So how can you cite no proof?
	You can cite the guy who cited no proof.
	That's what they're doing.
	So they throw it in as citing no proof.
	And he's one of those fast talking guys that's on all the networks.
	Citing no proof.
	He says it's a disaster.
	And citing no proof.
	He's a child molester.
	So you go citing no proof.
	He's a child molester.
	It would go right into the brains of the idiots that listen to these shows.
	Exactly.
	Then at the end, they decide to just lie.
	Now, maybe Trump somewhere said...
	The point where he said...
	Hold on.
	Let's just play it again.
	It's only 30 seconds.
	Let's play it again.
	Tom Yamos joins us live tonight.
	Tom, Donald Trump now coming under fire for refusing to release his tax returns before Super Tuesday.
	You just stop when you want me to.
	And tonight, a former Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, speaking out.
	That's right, David.
	Mitt Romney's saying he thinks there's likely a bombshell in Trump's tax returns.
	Romney, citing no proof, says he thinks Trump is not as rich as Trump claims to be, and he hasn't donated.
	This is actually a great line to slip in there.
	This is fantastic.
	As much to charity, as much as Trump has said.
	Now, Trump has responded tonight with a tweet saying that Mitt Romney is a fool and trying to act like a tough guy.
	David?
	Yeah, fabulous.
	Good catch, good catch, good catch.
	Now, this is a lie.
	The last part was a lie.
	The citing thing is fantastic.
	The last part, though, was just like, what else can we do?
	Why don't we just lie?
	And I saw the tweet.
	The tweet is a quote from somebody else, and then at the end, Trump said he's a fool.
	There's no tough guy thing mentioned in this tweet.
	He's acting like a tough, trying to act like a tough guy.
	That's the kind of thing he threw when you throw a ruby on these guys.
	So you know he says, this is another trick.
	You know he says this, that he's trying to act like a tough guy, because he says it on the debates.
	Every so often when some guy jumps on him, he says, ah, there he is trying to act like a tough guy.
	So we've heard him say it over and over again.
	He did not say it in this tweet where he says he's a fool.
	He may have said it someplace else.
	I didn't see that.
	But he said this specific tweet where he said he's a fool.
	He didn't say he's a tough guy.
	So they just lied on that.
	So you use citing no proof and let's just lie about something just to put some icing on the cake.
	I mean, this is unconscionable reporting on the part of ABC network.
	John C. DeVore acts pet peeve of the day.
	Not sure it was a peeve, but it was definitely a peeve.
	Well, I was actually...
	Angered me.
	I was going to bring up something else.
	I just don't know.
	Maybe I put it into the wrong bin here.
	Hold on a second.
	The way that...
	It really does work.
	We've discussed this before, when you just say something and then it sticks and then before you know it, that's what it is.
	Especially if you say something within a mechanism that people are used to hearing.
	Yes.
	And that would be citing.
	I thought I clipped this.
	I pulled two clips because it came up in the Rolling Stone article.
	In the Rolling Stone article...
	They say, you know, they reference Sarah Palin, who was so crazy, she actually thought that she could see Russia from her house.
	What's interesting is that is not what she said at all.
	It was actually Tina Fey who said that.
	Yes.
	And now I'm just looking for...
	I don't know what happened.
	I don't know why those lost their...
	It's kind of pissing me off because I'd specifically pulled the clip.
	So what she had said, what Sarah Palin said, was something completely different.
	She said, there's a little island right off the coast of Alaska, and from there you can see the mainland of Russia.
	That is what she said.
	Then two days later, Tina Fey went on Saturday Night Live and said, I can see Russia from my house.
	And that has, Rolling Stone printed this as if it was fact.
	Oh, God.
	As if it was fact.
	Yeah.
	Dig those up for the next show because that sort of thing, and we see it constantly in the media.
	It's some meme that people accept as fact when it was a joke or never was said or somebody said it.
	Well, this is like me and the mouse.
	Yes.
	I wrote in 1984, for people who don't know this, when I was writing for, I guess, the San Francisco Examiner, I wrote reasons the Macintosh might fail when it came out.
	It was all good reasons, and all the things on the checklist that I listed were all changed.
	But one of the things I said was that mouse is an un...
	Nobody knows whether this will be a success or not.
	You said there is no evidence.
	There's no evidence that the public wants a mouse.
	And there wasn't, because the thing just showed up.
	I don't know.
	Just kind of a radical idea.
	So a bunch of guys got all worked up about this, and one of them created...
	By the way, I've spent the last 20 years, every time I see this show up, I write the guy and tell him the story.
	I send him a copy of the original article, and I point to him.
	I said, you're such a good journalist.
	Tell me where I say that in this article.
	You can read it for yourself.
	And it was...
	The quote that I didn't say was, nobody wants these newfangled devices.
	You did not say that.
	I never used the word newfangled.
	Newfangled.
	Because that's like an old codger.
	That's what they were trying to do.
	Whoever dreamed the term up said, well, we can just demean this guy by making up a quote that he wants a newfangled device and just put it out there and see what happens.
	And it caught on.
	Because everybody was against my questioning the viability of the mouse.
	And so I've been spending ever since.
	People keep bringing it up.
	And every once in a while I still see the newfangled quote.
	And I always write or get a hold of the writer.
	I say, where'd you get this information?
	It's not what...
	And it's just unbelievable.
	And this is how that works.
	It's a very common problem.
	When something gets into the man, the internet doesn't make it any better.
	No, the internet is actually what we use to make it worse.
	Makes it worse.
	And so you have this situation.
	So now she sees Russia from her porch.
	But, you know, she didn't.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	I know I made the clips.
	I'll have them on Sunday.
	They just didn't show up in my bin for some reason.
	Okay, based on something that you tweeted, which I want to hear from you in a moment here, we go back to, actually Mika, Mika Brzezinski, daughter of the elite, has some ideas about Trump's possible...
	Vice presidential pick.
	And he and Ted Cruz, I'm sorry.
	I don't want to offend anybody any more than I already have.
	But when I see these guys talking, I see first-term senators that are reading rehearsed lines.
	They've got to meet his point.
	Which is perfect for a vice presidential candidate, which is why he's sucking up to Trump and hoping to get that.
	Come on!
	This is so obvious.
	It makes Marco Rubio won't attack Donald Trump.
	Donald Trump won't attack Marco Rubio.
	Should we go ahead and just get a picture of them plasping pants right now and photoshop it?
	It's because Marco Rubio is actually the only one...
	Well, first of all, he's necessary on a number of levels, but he's the only one who will go against everything he believes in and say whatever needs to be said, and Trump knows that he can prop him up perfectly and that he will follow suit.
	He will do whatever Trump tells him to do.
	He will do that, and that's why he will be his vice presidential pick.
	There you go.
	Now, there, so she's saying that she believes...
	Rubio will be Trump's vice presidential pick.
	And there was someone else who was being touted today as some Republican somewhere.
	Well, I think Rubio, if I was to advise Trump on picking somebody, although I think the super selection is the one I mentioned in that tweet, which is a love woman.
	Yes, yes.
	Because she's got a great name.
	She's black.
	I like her.
	I saw her.
	We've seen her before.
	She talks to everyone once in a while.
	She comes out and says something.
	And she is very pleasant, strong-willed.
	She's a Mormon.
	She's black.
	She's in Utah.
	She's got all these elements.
	What else do you need?
	Is she transgender?
	That would be perfect.
	Well, if she spoke Spanish, it would probably help.
	But...
	Rubio's a really good idea.
	And I think what a genius I hear is that Trump wants, if he gets in, he hasn't gotten past the knives yet.
	They're coming out for him.
	Oh yeah.
	This will be an important week coming up.
	And they're going to keep coming out.
	If you have Mitt Romney citing no evidence.
	Citing no evidence.
	And what's Romney got to do with this?
	He should shut up and get off the air.
	What's he even talking for?
	So, I mean, the guy's...
	Anyway.
	Well...
	Rubio can speak Spanish.
	He's from Florida.
	He's got all these...
	Well, that's when Mika says, you know, in some ways we have to have him or whatever.
	She said he's got things that we need, which is surprising.
	I don't know if she means we by the party and she's a Republican.
	But I think you're right.
	I like the love woman.
	I really like her.
	And she seems like she's got a level head, you know?
	Yeah.
	I think he needs a Rubio or somebody that's got, even though Rubio, I mean, from the sounds of it, he wants to get some Washington insider that can help him get legislation through and knows the ropes of Washington.
	Which is what he said verbatim.
	Yeah, because he's not going to walk in there like Jimmy Carter.
	And he should be announcing his pick pretty soon, I would say.
	I think this is about the time.
	Nobody's still running against Rubio.
	You can still...
	Hey, I nominate Rubio.
	You can say that, can't you?
	You could, but then it would be pretty presumptuous.
	Meanwhile, over on CBS in the morning show with Charlie and Oprah's girlfriend and some other guy, they respond to Hillary...
	Hillary's...
	I don't think I've lied.
	I've always tried to be...
	I've always tried to be good.
	I try not to.
	Let me see.
	Certainly I have.
	Still have that clip.
	Play it.
	Yeah, here we go.
	Hillary...
	I thought it was an ISO. Didn't we have an ISO with that?
	Maybe.
	I didn't have it.
	It was yours.
	Yeah.
	Well, we'll play the CBS response to her saying, I've really tried to tell the truth.
	I don't believe I ever have.
	I don't believe I ever will.
	I'm going to do the best I can to level with the American people.
	With three days left before the primary, Clinton still leads the polls in South Carolina.
	Have you guys ever told a lie?
	And has your sense of humor intact?
	Have you ever told a lie?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Have you?
	Yes.
	Yes, I have.
	No.
	I'm waiting to find the person who's never told a lie.
	Have you ever told a lie first?
	Yes!
	I just want to keep the record going.
	Unbelievable.
	Everyone tells a lie.
	It's okay if she tells a lie.
	They're backing Hillary with this nonsense.
	She can lie.
	It's okay.
	She can lie.
	I lie all the time.
	Of course I've lied.
	Of course.
	That's human nature.
	Yeah, you're faulting her.
	You don't want her to be human?
	And a little ditty from Ben Carson.
	About racism.
	And there's a longer interview and he talks about how he has felt completely equal, has had no problems with the Republican Party.
	Democrats, however, or the left.
	When was the last experience that you personally had with what you would consider to be real racism in your life?
	Well, you don't have to go too far.
	I think the way that I'm treated by the left is racism.
	Really?
	Yeah, because they assume because you're black, you have to think a certain way.
	And if you don't think that way, you're Uncle Tom, you're worthy of every horrible epithet they can come up with.
	Whereas, if I weren't black, then I would just be a Republican.
	True.
	I think he's right.
	No, he's totally right.
	Very, very right.
	Black Republicans always bitch about this.
	Yeah.
	They're not staying in their face.
	In their hut.
	In their slave hut.
	They're not doing what they're supposed to do.
	Yeah.
	And then my favorite report...
	This was Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC, and they went to Nevada.
	Of course, when you have Republicans in Nevada, what are you going to do?
	Where are you going to do your report from?
	Or Nevada, as they would pronounce it.
	Nevada.
	You do it from the gun range, where Republicans are exercising their Second Amendment right.
	This is what we would call...
	It's like finding the hick in Texas.
	We have an average Texan here.
	What do you think of this shooting?
	Well, I don't know for sure.
	It's much better, John.
	It's much better than that.
	It is a full minute of glory.
	Well, there's a lot of attention.
	I'm actually right now at Reno Guns and Range, and I put myself here because, as you'll see over my shoulder here, there's lots of folks here who believe that the Second Amendment in this country is under attack.
	And they say that short distance away, Donald Trump has said about protecting the Second Amendment.
	All the Republicans support protecting the Second Amendment.
	Donald Trump has said that he supports the First Amendment.
	He supports the Second Amendment.
	It's a large, well, a large, the crowd says that.
	As we look at it, Donald Trump has been focusing on President Bush now.
	He's focusing on Ted Cruz.
	Saying in a talk today, wow, was Ted Cruz his very capable director?
	He used him as a scapegoat.
	Fired like a dog.
	Talking about Ted Cruz has fired his spokesman.
	Probably a lot more later today.
	Well, Kerry, I'm afraid we could not hear most of that because the firepower was a little bit too great.
	Sorry, we didn't know you were going to be there today.
	We didn't mean to interrupt that.
	Clip of the day, go.
	Thank you.
	I thought I deserved that.
	Clip of the day.
	And with that, I'd like to thank you.
	And by the way, right before it hit that...
	It's a shame somebody didn't see this jerk out there doing this and brought some black powder.
	It was just blowing up.
	I love that.
	What a report.
	And they let the guy go.
	And they just let the guy go and go and go and go.
	Because it was gold.
	I think it was comedy gold.
	Comedy Gold.
	And with that, I want to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C, where the C stands for Comedy Gold, Dvorak.
	Well, in the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	Also in the morning, all ships and sea boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	In the morning to Nick the Rat, who brought us artwork for episode 801.
	That was the previous episode.
	Apparently he's hungover.
	Oh, he was doing his radio show again.
	He said, I'm drunk on this Twitter, and that was his last name.
	Yeah, he gets drunk, and then he does a show.
	He gets drunk on the show.
	White Male Clerks was the title of 801, and Nick brought us the beautiful Kasich hug.
	The hug.
	The man hug.
	And in the morning to our artists everywhere, you can find submissions and a place to submit your own art at noagendaartgenerator.com.
	And in the morning to the chat room, good to have you all there, noagendastream.com.
	And thank you to the executive producers who have helped us out once again on today's program.
	We want to thank most of all our $2,000 anonymous donor from California.
	We didn't get any 802.11 donors, but...
	I liked your Wi-Fi idea.
	It was a good idea.
	It didn't pay off.
	No.
	But the anonymous guy came in before that newsletter went out.
	I recently did a donation that entitled me to a knighthood.
	However, I read the bylaws and realize you must have a triple knight, which is a barony, to correct this error.
	I am donating $2,000 to reach Triple Knighthood.
	Please keep this donation anonymous, as I do not want to be known by a certain spouse.
	In my close proximity.
	You may want to consider your marriage.
	Or trick her into listening to the show.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so he didn't re-mention what it was that he mentioned before as his desire.
	Okay, well just send us a note saying what it is you want.
	But you are now...
	Thank you for your courage and your passion, sending you love and light.
	You should be spinning.
	Spinning?
	I don't mean spinning on the bicycle.
	Just spinning in general?
	With the arms out.
	Why?
	Just spinning.
	Why?
	Love and light, love and light.
	American Liberty, by the way, came in with $500.
	Holy moly.
	John and Adam.
	I douchebagged my last donation note with the urgent karma request.
	Karma for my selfish needs.
	The No Agendas Diaries showing for January.
	I didn't...
	I think my karma note was red or karma sprinkled in the requested directions, but interestingly, interesting show donations seem to have improved.
	So, okay, it worked.
	A positive sea change for my situation since my donation and karma request, but one cannot be too careful in these matters, so I'm doubling down for another big-time karma request, both for the future of the show donations and to be plentiful and for my business matters.
	I wonder what he's using for a...
	Character code, because he keeps dropping all these an-amp.
	Amphersans, yeah.
	He probably copy-pasted it from something.
	Maybe.
	He wrote it in his word process.
	He needs it for his business matter.
	He needs a couple karma.
	A Putin for old time's sake.
	Each throw in your current favorites.
	I'm going to do...
	It's science, because of some note that...
	Sir Bean wrote that I... Oh, you mean Dr.
	Kiki at Science?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And I'm going to throw in...
	I got the North Korean lady back.
	I have her ISO and I have her on the jingle as well, so we're very happy to have that.
	Shut up already!
	science you've got karma There we go.
	Thank you very much.
	Sir John Horner 34880 from West Valley, Mississippi.
	And I do have a note from him.
	He sent in a check.
	He's now a knight.
	He'll be knighted later.
	It's John the Brewer.
	He's a brewer.
	And he sent a bottle of brew in a half liter or something.
	And it was...
	I just came in the mail with a couple of cozies.
	It just shows up in the mailbox.
	And it's got beer.
	It's got beer labels all over it.
	Nobody even bats an eye.
	I know.
	He's sending me too.
	It's illegal, but okay.
	Well, you know what's interesting?
	I learned from Danny the drug dealer.
	You should learn from Guerrero, the mailman.
	Well, I'm going to say this now, and he can weigh in.
	I learned from Danny the drug dealer that he gets his stuff from California, his weed, and they just send it through the United States Postal System.
	And, you know, he told me how they wrap it and everything, and there's some crazy new products.
	It's pure THC. Which you spray in your mouth and there's...
	And then you go.
	And there's toothpicks?
	And you're done.
	Wait, wait, there's toothpicks?
	Which have been saturated with THC? They're what?
	There's toothpicks.
	There's little things.
	Oh, toothpicks?
	Oh, that's a great idea.
	And you just put the toothpick in your mouth and it's like a 20 milligram dose.
	You know, I thought of something as a product.
	I don't know if we had ants.
	We had ant invasion.
	You don't say.
	I backed him off by doing the burning trick.
	We were having dinner and I got an ant somehow in the meal and I ate it.
	Did you realize you ate it?
	Well, once it was in my mouth.
	And then you just said, screw it, and chomped it down as a test?
	Oh, yeah.
	I don't think they're...
	But we discussed this.
	You know, these things are peppery.
	And everyone around the table, yeah, oh, yeah, peppery, peppery, ants are peppery.
	And I think my daughter, you know, she eats grasshoppers.
	So...
	I was thinking if you desiccated a big pile of ants and then ground them to a powder like a fine grind black pepper, I wonder if that would be something you could use as a spice.
	A product.
	And remember, on the label, what does it say?
	Ants?
	Small batch.
	Small batch, exactly.
	And it would be small batch.
	I'm sorry, what?
	It would be small batch, but I think that's an interesting idea for a product.
	No agenda and seasoning.
	Let me get the dinner.
	I love bugs.
	It's the eggs.
	Oh, okay.
	Woo.
	Bugs, bugs, bugs.
	Instead of using, you know, people like chocolate-covered ants and all this nonsense is bull crap.
	Use it as a spice.
	Use it as a spice, because that's what it is.
	Well, why don't you...
	Well, no.
	It's an insect.
	It's not a spice.
	I'm sure it's an insect.
	Well, it acts as a spice.
	Well, I'm sure.
	You don't know.
	Maybe it's a walking spice from aliens.
	John, think about it.
	You can even go so far as to have, you know, if you burn them with your magnifying glass, then you can have toasted ant spice.
	Yes.
	Or roasted.
	Roasted.
	Probably take on a different flavor.
	Roasted.
	Roasted.
	Nice.
	Well, could you make some?
	How do you propose on grinding them up?
	Do you grind them up?
	I'm not doing it.
	Raw?
	Or do you grind them up?
	Send it to a food guy, see if they can manufacture it and put it into play.
	Good.
	Right along with vape your kale.
	We are on the tip of superfood, my friend.
	We are.
	Let's go back to John here.
	I'm tithing 10% of my federal tax refund to the best podcast in the universe, which should safely catapult me into knighthood.
	And he's got all the accounting.
	Wait a minute.
	I'm sorry.
	Did you miss David Prince?
	I think you did.
	Yeah.
	I'll go back to David.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	He goes on with his note of product sample.
	He says, close the product sample.
	He's going to send you one.
	With that, I'm going to request the moniker Sir John the Brewer in the following three clips.
	This one is, you might want to put this one at the end of the show.
	Okay.
	This is the Norman Lear Foundation propaganda clip.
	Obama Batman and the heteroflexible man jingle.
	Okay, hold on a second.
	The Norman Lear, that's actually Martin Kaplan, I think, and that is bragging about the numbers, I believe.
	Yes.
	Okay, and then what's next?
	Then it was the Obama Batman.
	Batman.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Okay.
	I don't know what the heteroflexible man jingle is.
	Oh, I do.
	Okay.
	He does have...
	What?
	He says, thank you, Adam.
	He does have a P.S. Okay.
	He's one of our knights that are very observant.
	Yes.
	They're very observant.
	Yes.
	I know, P.S. John, I know you cannot be trusted to save beer for Adam, so I sent him his own bottle.
	That's right.
	Go podcasting.
	Ha ha.
	Ha ha.
	So in the course of our work, this is in the two years, 11 to 13, 335 storylines that we worked on have been aired.
	We've worked with 35 networks in the past four years, 91 different television shows.
	shows.
	��
	�� At the end of that, says somebody get me an appletini.
	Yeah.
	Isn't that great?
	That's good.
	Somebody get me an appletini.
	David Prince in Colfax, California.
	It's 45678, one of my all-time favorite donation numbers.
	Yeah, nice one.
	Keep it a good fight.
	I believe this donation gets me to knighthood.
	If so, I would like to be known as Sir Boston the Terrier of the State of Jefferson.
	And he wants a no, no, no, no, no of one sort or another.
	Okay.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Listen.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Hey!
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	Listen.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hey!
	You've got karma.
	I think that might be my favorite.
	Oh, I'll put it at the end of the show.
	So many of these things.
	I will put it at the end of the show then for you.
	Chris Foster in Houston, Texas.
	Hewton.
	24307.
	ITM, great show and congrats on 800 episodes.
	I hope this donation helps with the past post 800 hangover.
	I have the following jingle request.
	Sally Struthers, Bernie Sanders.
	It was Susan Sarandon.
	It says Sally Struthers.
	Which is funnier.
	But yes, it's Susan Sarandon.
	Sally Struthers, Bernie Sanders, OMG Juice, Calm Down, Scream, followed by Dvorak's Uh-oh.
	Thank you for your courage, Chris Foster.
	Okay, so we have Sarandon, followed by what?
	Sarandoned by OMG, oh my god, can you see that juice?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Calm Down, I don't know if there's a calm down or not, but also that miserable scream that we've collected.
	Yes, I have that.
	And then I'll play the uh-oh from the thing.
	I give you Bernie Sanders.
	Oh my gosh!
	Can you see that juice?
	Calm down.
	You've got karma.
	Nice!
	A bi-coastal jingle medley.
	Unbelievable.
	Dynamite.
	Are we good?
	We make it look easy, people.
	We just make it look easy.
	It's hard to imagine anyone competing Sir Cliff Howell in Spartanburg, South Carolina 23456 And he writes a note.
	Hi, Bob and Ray.
	Since my nighting this past November, I've noticed the air smells a bit fresher.
	Water tastes a little cleaner.
	Adam's Dutch accent is even more hilarious.
	I realize these benefits come at a price and obligation, so please accept one of John's favorite donation amounts of 23456.
	This in spite of Buzzkill's slanderous attack on Thursday's show against my adopted state of South Carolina.
	I will admit South Carolina is far from perfect.
	Since we can't seem to get rid of a complete idiot like Lindsey Graham.
	But the anti-Semitic label was over the top!
	However, I always view you fellows as the Donald Trumps of the vast media wasteland.
	You say whatever you think without a reservation or boundaries.
	You discuss a variety of topics no one else would dare touch.
	You say screw you to the advertisers since you don't take their money.
	And then you take some additional shots at the audience for good measure.
	The producers will continue their support for at least another 800 episodes with the exceptional content you boys deliver as part of the best podcast in the universe.
	Go podcasting!
	Adam, please send karma to all of the producers, to the boners, and send them a double dose of Hillary Cackle because there is a special place in hell for them.
	You've got karma.
	That's right.
	That's a good one.
	Uh...
	Okay.
	Sorry, I have to scroll down.
	Okay.
	To Eliza Martinez in Florence.
	What?
	We have two South Carolinians, one after the other?
	Or am I mistaken?
	Yes, you're right.
	That's random.
	In Florence, South Carolina.
	Well, there you go.
	What other bad things can I say about another state?
	Maybe they'll get them.
	They're...
	Forgive Podfather, for I have douched.
	It's been so long since my last significant donation, but for the last 14 months, shit hit the fan.
	Not going into details, but health issues, car repair, paying for the funeral are part of it.
	So before there's an encore, I want to show my appreciation for an outstanding product that stands the test of time.
	This donation will put me at $600.
	I hope from now on to the wind in my favor until I get the knighthood.
	Now a few things.
	One, gas report.
	South Carolina, $1.39 regular from known brands.
	We have that here, too.
	$1.39.
	Been cited in Austin.
	Nice.
	Generic gas is a few cents cheaper.
	Two, as somebody with a science degree, I've always known that consensus doesn't mean shit, even if it's 97%.
	Look up the story of Louis Pasteur.
	Demolished the scientific consensus that believed in the spontaneous generation theory.
	Which is true.
	When Bernie Sanders says Gloria Steinem made him an honorary woman, he means she pegged him hard with a strap-on.
	Right on!
	She's edited this.
	Well, hold on a second.
	There is some Bernie schmear going on about essays he's written in the past.
	He said...
	He accepted it.
	This was his words when she...
	Well, it's an interesting theory.
	This, again, is an example of something no other show would bring up.
	Here it is.
	Here it is.
	In 1972, Bernie was writing a piece of fiction that he described as the six sexual fantasies of men and women.
	So this is Bernie's words.
	Quote...
	A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy.
	A woman on her knees.
	A woman tied up.
	A woman abused.
	A woman enjoys intercourse with her man as she fantasizes being raped by three men simultaneously.
	Nice piece, Bernie.
	Bernie's got an active imagination.
	I think somebody should read that in Bernie's voice.
	We need a Bernie copycat out there.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm afraid to try it.
	A man goes home No, no.
	No, I can't do it.
	You're going to ruin it.
	Yeah, I'm not.
	We'll leave it to the place.
	Well, anyway, we got Eliezer, Eliezer, Eliezer, Eliezer, I'm not sure.
	Martinez here.
	He wants a, can I get a whoopee?
	I think it's a he.
	Yeah.
	Can I get a whoopee get out, kids scream, and a Dr.
	Keithy worth it?
	Yeah.
	Ah, coincidence?
	I think...
	Just to point out to Mr.
	Arb Knight Serbine that this is not a dead...
	I did jingle.
	Right.
	And Howard Dean scream.
	Get out of my vagina!
	It was worth it.
	It was worth it.
	You've got karma.
	Scott Thompson in North Tonawanda, New York, 22352.
	This amount brings me to knighthood.
	I'm turning 34.
	Is he on the knight list?
	Because he's apparently on the birthday list.
	Let me see Scott Thompson, Sir Roadwolf.
	Okay, go ahead and read his note.
	And did we wish to be Sir Roadwolf?
	Knight of the Tonawanda Accounting.
	Tonawanda accounting?
	Oh no, he says no.
	Night of the Tonawanda.
	Tonawanda.
	Accounting, separate sentence, will be emailed.
	Is it Tonawanda or Tonawandas?
	Tonawandas he's got.
	Okay, Tonawandas.
	Which I guess is a little mountain range.
	What is the Tonawandas?
	I have no idea.
	Well, he's up in the mountain.
	I'm just an engineer.
	I'm just an engineer.
	Jacobus, is he on the night list?
	Yes, he is.
	Jacobus.
	I think it's Jacobus.
	Boersma.
	Boersma, I believe, in New York, New York, New York City.
	$200.
	Now, however, halfway to nighthood, he writes, I find it impossible to overstate the positive impact no agenda has had on me.
	I've recently hit my girlfriend in the mouth, and now she seems to better understand when I say, evaluate the situation at the meta level.
	I'd leave you.
	A huge thank you to you both.
	He needs a better line.
	John, help him out.
	He's going to lose this girl.
	Evaluate the situation at the meta level.
	Better line.
	Okay, I got one.
	This is bullshit.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs.
	You've got to come up.
	Currently interviewing for three different positions.
	Well, I'm a sutra.
	You can look at that.
	That'll help.
	Webcam work is what I always suggest to my daughter.
	Webcam work.
	Easy money.
	You can make a good penny that way, man.
	Just wear a mask.
	Or not.
	Thank you to our executive producers and associate executive producers.
	A massive, big donor today.
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	And, of course, we'll have a show on Sunday.
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	Dvorak.org.
	Of course, we would want everybody to be doing the very important work of propagating our formula!
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Hey, citizens.
	Shut up, slave!
	Shut up, slave.
	Ah.
	Yes, indeed.
	To the B block.
	Yeah, in the B block, I would like to talk about what's going on with Apple, not from a tech news perspective, but undeniably this has become a very interesting topic.
	Comey this morning, and I think I've been able to really listen and really step back.
	I wrote a blog post, which we don't have to discuss.
	I don't know if you saw that or not.
	No.
	That's too bad.
	Was the Apple case really convenience versus privacy?
	But we've discussed all that.
	Tim Cook did an interview with ABC. He pulled a couple of quotes from that.
	And there's just a lot of talk around the constitutionality, legality, the Fourth Amendment, Fifth Amendment.
	And it seems...
	I'll give you my conclusion up front.
	Both Apple and the FBI, I'm not so sure about the Department of Justice, but both Apple and the FBI are pushing very hard to not solve this in the Supreme Court, but to solve this in Congress.
	And they're both saying that over and over again.
	Which is interesting to me, because the way Tim Cook is talking, you'd think he wants to take this all the way to the Supreme Court.
	That is not true.
	This is from this morning.
	This is Director of FBI Jim Comey.
	Where is he?
	Comey.
	And just listen to his words.
	This case and all cases are very, very important, but there's a broader policy question that is far larger than any individual case that we all have to grapple with.
	But to the case, first, I think the answer would best come from a technical expert and a good lawyer.
	I'm neither of those.
	He may be a lawyer, it's just not a good one.
	But I will take a shot at it.
	I do think that it is potentially, whatever the judge's decision is in California, and I'm sure it will be appealed no matter how it ends up, will be instructive for other courts.
	And there may well be other cases that involve the same kind of phone and the same operating system.
	What the experts have told me is the combination, here's where I'm going to get well out of my depth, of a 5C and this particular operating system is sufficiently unusual that it's unlikely to be A trailblazer because of technology being the limiting principle.
	But sure, a decision by a judge is a judge weighing a decision in Brooklyn right now.
	All of those decisions will guide how other courts handle similar requests.
	The All Ritz Act, as you mentioned, is a tool that I used as a young prosecutor.
	We've used for hundreds of years so that courts can have their orders given effect.
	And how judges interpret that In any particular jurisdiction, it's not binding on others, but will be important.
	So I think that's fair to say.
	But I do think the larger question is not going to be answered in the courts and shouldn't be, because it's really about who do we want to be as a country and how do we want to govern ourselves.
	Okay, now this is important.
	He says we need to legislate this, really, is what he's saying, not put it in the courts.
	Who do you want to be as a people?
	Apple has hired Ted Olson.
	Ted Olson is, I'd not heard of him before, but apparently superstar status in the legal world.
	And he was on Fox Business News with Neil Cavuto.
	And it wasn't until I heard...
	Because I was pretty sure that this was a legal writ.
	It was a warrant.
	We have probable cause.
	All the things that you need are in this in order for Apple to comply.
	But it wasn't until I heard Ted Olson that I realized...
	This is not about probable cause, and therefore, it is not going to be a constitutional question.
	And I don't know how you could possibly limit this to San Bernardino, because something could be happening somewhere else, New York, San Francisco, everywhere.
	You make the same argument every time, and basically, you want to throw the Constitution out, because if someone says there's a threat there, we're not even sure that it exists, but if we want into that phone, this phone, your phone, whatever, just to make sure, then you would throw that out. - This isn't a theory. - That is, then you would throw that out. - This isn't a theory. - That I'm like, oh crap!
	It's absolutely right.
	The reasonable...
	No, not reasonable suspicion.
	It's...
	What is it, John?
	I don't know.
	Probable cause.
	Probable cause is very powerful.
	I think I actually looked it up just to give you part of the definition.
	But probable cause really can only be used...
	Hold on, I'll bring it up here.
	The right of the people to be secure in their persons, how this is obviously the Fourth Amendment, against unreasonable search and seizure shall not be involved and no warrant shall issue, but upon probable cause supported by oath or affirmation and particularly described the place to be searched and the persons or things to be searched.
	If you and I obviously am not a lawyer, but probable cause.
	Sufficient reason based upon known facts to believe a crime has been committed or that certain property is connected with a crime.
	Probable cause must exist for a law enforcement officer to make an arrest without a warrant, search without a warrant, or seize property in the belief that the items were evidence of a crime.
	The way I interpret probable cause is, this guy is dead, and we know, quote-unquote, that he committed the crime.
	So I think what is taking place here is saying this has nothing to do with the Fourth Amendment, because you're just fishing to see if there's another crime possibly related on this phone, which is not probable cause.
	Right, this is a classic fishing expedition.
	And I didn't realize it until Ted Olson said, screw you, there is no right because probable cause does not apply here.
	Right, there's probably some phones that one of these guys has because there's supposed to be a hundred or more phones backed up that need to be cracked.
	Where there might be probable cause.
	So now, did you see the Tim Cook ABC News interview with David?
	I watched the beginning of it.
	Okay.
	I pulled a couple very short quotes.
	Tim Collins, Tom Cook, is fantastic for quotes, for clips.
	He talks very staccato.
	And make no mistake, I think this guy is ruthless.
	I looked a little bit at his history.
	He ran distribution.
	He's been in the company for a while.
	You know these people as well, John.
	There was a guy at Omnicom who was the second in command.
	I forget his name, but he's like a hatchet guy.
	Make no mistake, Tim Cook is very, very, very...
	I think he has a lot in him to do anything he wants.
	Now, knowing that...
	We can actually all have our devices, certainly our iOS devices secure if you choose a longer passphrase.
	We've talked about that.
	Which in this case would really make it difficult, if not impossible, for law enforcement agencies, FBI, Department of Justice to get in there and actually crack open your phone if you follow those guidelines.
	But instead of that...
	Which is what I believe should be the education of the American consumer or the Apple consumer.
	Instead of saying, well, you can always protect yourself by this.
	Tim Cook goes all out, a half-hour interview, and I think he is completely disingenuous about what is going on and why they want to do this.
	And it is my opinion, and we'll go through a couple of these clips, that maybe it was Steve Jobs' dying wish Tim Cook promised, you know, make sure the iPhone is secure for everyone's data.
	Make it the secure device.
	So he's willing to lie and position this in crazy ways, and this will come to Congress, and that's his mission as well.
	First, what is at stake here?
	What is at stake here is, can the government...
	Compel Apple to write software that we believe would make hundreds of millions of customers vulnerable around the world, including the U.S., and also trample civil liberties that are at the basic foundation of what this country was made of.
	Okay, so he's not talking about...
	He's talking about trampling civil liberties, which is a little different from constitutional rights.
	And he introduces a new meme before we had...
	What would he say about doing this?
	It would be...
	Well, he said backdoor.
	He said all kinds of different themes.
	But now this software that the court wants Apple to create has a new analogy.
	The only way to get information, at least currently the only way we know, would be to write a piece of software that we view as sort of the software equivalent of cancer.
	We think it's bad news to write.
	We would never write it.
	We have never written it.
	And that is what is at stake here.
	This is new.
	This software would be like cancer.
	They sat around and dreamed that one up.
	And he repeated it a couple times.
	Here he is again.
	And in this case, we believe there are some things that just should never be created.
	Correct.
	I mean, think about this.
	It is, in our view, the software equivalent of cancer.
	There you go.
	Is this something that should be created?
	Okay, and then we have him doing that yet again.
	Let me see, where is it?
	We have no other information on this phone.
	None.
	The only way we know to get additional information is to write a piece of software that is the software equivalent of cancer.
	That is what is at stake here.
	He said it three times?
	Three times in the interview.
	Yes.
	That's crazy.
	Well, because this is very, very managed.
	Okay, now this is very interesting.
	I'm not quite sure why he brings this group in.
	The new Reuters poll just today showing nearly half understand where you're coming from, but this is clearly a country divided on this.
	What do you say to the folks who say, you should write that software, you should help unlock the phone?
	Well, this is not about a poll.
	This is about the future.
	It's about the future, John.
	Hold on a second.
	Sit down.
	Take notes.
	And what I have seen is, as people understand what is at stake here, an increasing number support us.
	We have support from politicians to the ones that grab me the most.
	I've gotten thousands of emails since this occurred.
	And the largest single category of people are from the military.
	These are men and women.
	This is very interesting.
	This is really interesting.
	Do you think that's true?
	It's possible.
	But I also think that if you're in the military, they probably have all kinds of provisions about how you can not protect your data or protect it a certain way.
	I think he's making some of this stuff up.
	Fight for our freedom and our liberty.
	And they want us to stand up and be counted on this issue for them.
	Are you reading those letters, those emails?
	I am reading every one of them.
	They are very heartfelt and very emotional.
	This is our country.
	This country is about life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
	It's about freedom of expression and freedom of speech.
	These are core principles of America.
	None of which apply to your particular instance, your particular case.
	And let's continue.
	A way to get the information on the phone that we haven't already given.
	If we knew a way to do this that would not expose hundreds of millions of other people to issues, we would obviously do it.
	But again, this is not about one phone.
	This is about the future.
	So we went from civil liberties to it's about the future.
	It's about Apple's future.
	I agree with Tim Cook now, but I think he's right that they should not be forced to do this.
	But you're being disingenuous, Tim Collins Cook.
	You're being very disingenuous.
	I don't know where this stops, but I do know that this is not what should be happening in this country.
	This is not what should be happening in America.
	If there should be a law that compels us to do it, it should be passed out in the open, and the people of America should get a voice in that.
	The right place for that debate to occur is in Congress.
	This is very interesting.
	Here we have both sides saying this is not for the court to decide because it's not a constitutional issue.
	This is for Congress to decide.
	He wants legislation.
	Comey wants legislation.
	Apple has done this in the past before they protected their lock, which they can clearly unlock.
	In fact, he's very disingenuous about what really is the master key.
	Our job is to protect our customers.
	Okay, that's all.
	There you go.
	That's the quote.
	All he cares about is Apple customers, and that's not...
	That's not a bad thing, but don't bullshit around.
	Our job is to protect our customers.
	And our customers have incredibly detailed information on their phones.
	There's probably more information about you on your phone than there is in your house.
	Think about the children.
	Our smartphones are loaded with our intimate conversations, our financial data, our health records.
	They're also loaded with the location of our kids in many cases.
	And so it's not just about privacy, but it's also about public safety.
	No one would want this kind of information to be available.
	No one, no one, I don't believe, would want a master key built That would turn hundreds of millions of locks.
	Even if that key were in the possession of the person that you trust the most, that key could be stolen.
	That is what this is about.
	Stealing the key?
	Really?
	You have the key.
	Apple owns the master key to putting software on their devices.
	It is an encryption key.
	They own it already.
	That is what they would have to use to make this thing work on one device.
	So to say no one wants a master key, oh, it's so dangerous to have that is bull crap.
	Bull crap.
	This guy is either in cahoots and they're driving this to come up with legislation.
	Well, there's just no either or.
	He wants to have some kind of law to make them, to make Apple, be the number one secure place for all your data.
	This is the marketing that the Department of Justice has complained about.
	So this is about protecting the safety of the people who carry those iPhones.
	That's exactly right.
	That's all that it's about.
	This is like a giant infomercial.
	Oh yeah, oh yeah.
	That's one of the reasons I didn't watch it, because it just seemed like a...
	In fact, I've seen this thing since the beginning.
	I've considered nothing but a publicity stunt for Apple.
	I concur, and I want to continue with three more clips just to get it all out.
	This is not something that we would create.
	This would be bad for America.
	It would also set a precedent that I believe many people in America would be offended by.
	And so when you think about those which are gnomes compared to something that might be there, I believe we are making the right choice.
	Okay, then we have, oh yes, so finally about three quarters of the way through the interview, he brings up encryption, which really doesn't have anything to do with what they're being asked to do.
	This is about civil liberties, and it's about people's ability to protect themselves.
	Wow, I like this.
	We're all going to be for Apple, creating something so that we can protect ourselves, but it doesn't go the same for guns.
	If we take encryption away from the good people, the only people that will be affected are the good people.
	Not the bad people.
	And this is a specious argument because it's not about their encryption.
	Encryption, Apple doesn't own encryption.
	Encryption is readily available in every country in the world.
	As a matter of fact, the U.S. government sponsors and funds encryption in many cases.
	And so if we limit it in some way, the people that will hurt are the good people, not the bad people.
	They will find it anyway.
	What is ABC doing to give this guy a half an hour of this blather?
	I will add that he started off and they're in Tim Cook's office on the campus and it's like, wow, I don't think we've ever done any...
	I've never done an interview from my office.
	Because he has...
	There is...
	This is a script.
	This is a setup.
	This is something that...
	I'm not quite sure what side all the actors are on, but their idea is to get legislation.
	This is about creating laws.
	It has nothing to do with the Constitution, I'm now realizing.
	Here's another little data point.
	This isn't just about privacy, although it's very important.
	It's also about public safety.
	Public safety.
	I don't think there's anything in the Constitution that says you have a right to public safety.
	I can't recall.
	This is outrageous.
	Now here we go.
	So now he's really getting...
	Now we're winding it up.
	He's getting to...
	We need laws.
	We want a law.
	We want a law.
	You can imagine the target that would be on that piece.
	I'm not saying government would abuse it.
	I don't agree that going case by case is the right approach.
	But there's a lot of bad guys in the...
	Wait a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	I didn't hear that the first time.
	What did he just say?
	I don't agree that doing it case-by-case is the right approach.
	Right.
	Is he saying it should be massive, like on a mass scale?
	Yeah.
	Hold on.
	Case-by-case is the right approach.
	Wow.
	Let's just roll this back a second.
	I don't think he meant to say this.
	And you can imagine the target that would be on that piece.
	I'm not saying government would abuse it.
	I don't agree that going case-by-case is the right approach.
	Okay.
	There's a lot of bad guys in the world.
	A lot of bad guys.
	Wow, he did a Ted Cruz.
	There's a lot of bad guys.
	A lot of bad guys in the world.
	And you don't need to look further than what has happened to our own government.
	Millions of people have had their personal information stolen by hackers.
	Yeah.
	We don't want it piece by piece.
	I'm concerned about him saying that.
	So he thinks that maybe or maybe the legislation he wants is not piece by piece.
	Maybe it is something a little broader.
	That's very confusing.
	He should have to answer for that.
	What's at stake here is should we be compelled to write software that we believe Would make vulnerable hundreds of millions of people and trample on civil liberties.
	That is what is at stake.
	And the heartwarming emails I'm getting from military, from policemen, from all across America tells me there's a fair number of people that believe as we do.
	And even the people that don't.
	Believe that in our democracy, this should be out in the open and discussed.
	Legislated.
	Not under some kind of, you know, done in the back room somewhere.
	Nobody listens to C-SPAN. We were promised all of that stuff a long time ago.
	So the obvious question, will you take it to the Supreme Court if you have to?
	Are you prepared to take this all the way to the Supreme Court?
	We would be prepared to take this issue all the way.
	He says all the way.
	He doesn't say all the way to the Supreme Court, but he says all the way.
	Generally speaking...
	When you have a CEO of a mega company that has anything to do with technology, the only reason they want to do any of this stuff is for liability issues.
	And I suspect that there's somebody, one of their lawyers, and Apple always has some of the best lawyers, or Ted Olson, period, of all the tech companies.
	If anybody remembers the Franklin computer.
	Somebody has uncovered this theory.
	What is the phrase I should be using?
	Discovered?
	No, it's...
	Wow, you're pulling an atom.
	That's rare.
	There's something somebody discovered that came up in the conversation during this process of having to crack this phone.
	Saying, you know, we could be liable We're good to go.
	I like that, John.
	I like that theory a lot.
	In fact, I will read you the marketing from Apple's security.
	By the way, I'm citing no proof.
	Okay, I'll cite some proof.
	This is from Apple's marketing.
	It also shows up in their legal process guidelines, the same language.
	On devices running iOS 8 and later versions, your personal data is placed under protection of your passcode.
	For all devices running iOS 8 and later versions, Apple will not perform iOS data extractions in response to government warrants because the files to be extracted are protected by an encryption key that is tied to the user's passcode, which Apple does not possess.
	Which, so they kind of put a statement out saying, and this is 2014, I think, we can't do this anymore.
	And you know what?
	Whoever at FBI or whoever came up with this concept of how to do it should be congratulated.
	Because they exposed a huge vulnerability.
	And Apple knows this.
	This is what came up in the conversation amongst the lawyers.
	And when you say this, and when you state this, yes, yes, when you state that, I think that's, you know, we can't get it your day.
	Now, it all depends on the interpretation.
	They don't need a million lawsuits.
	No, nobody needs that.
	It could be a class action of epic proportions.
	Anyway.
	And they're so paranoid.
	The lawyers at Apple are so paranoid.
	I could just imagine saying, oh my god, this is putting the company at risk.
	But I think that Again, if you just look at the simplicity of it, I like my iPhone.
	It is now reasonably secure because I'm using a 12-character passphrase.
	Even if Apple creates this thing, it's not going to be that easy, as far as we know, before anyone to crack my phone, even if they can bypass the hurdles Apple's put in there.
	It could take hundreds of years to open up my encryption.
	But that's not being said.
	No one is educating the public.
	I don't understand.
	I really don't understand.
	I don't understand why everybody doesn't see the craziness of the arguments being made.
	The devices are perfectly secure if you know what you're doing and you have some education and they have everything in there.
	But they want something in Congress.
	They want legislation.
	And it could be that Apple's protecting their downside on liability.
	But man, Apple's had lots of lawsuits.
	This is going so far, it seems like the only thing I can come up with is that Steve Jobs in his dying breath said, Hey, Tim Collins, come over here.
	Make sure that no one, that the data for our customers is 100% secure, that no government...
	I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs kept the government out of Apple while he was alive.
	And maybe that, you know, maybe that was it.
	Well, they got back in after he died, that's for sure, because it showed up in all the different WikiLeaks and...
	What's his name in Russia?
	Snowden, yeah.
	Snowden.
	Who's the real problem here.
	So I'm just going to replay a little piece of this clip from Thursday, Sunday's show, about Tim Cook using the gay agenda to further his mission.
	People have entrusted us with their most personal and precious information.
	We owe them nothing less than the best protections that we can possibly provide.
	By harnessing the technology at our disposal and working together as businesses, governments, and citizens, we believe we can bring about a future.
	That is kind of the definition of fascism, isn't it?
	He wants to work with the government to create something.
	That fully embraces fascism.
	Both privacy and security.
	We must get this right.
	Okay.
	This is a little more echo.
	Slow it down a bit.
	I think you've got another winner.
	Okay.
	Oh, well, a combo.
	Combo, because I'm going to play a clip from Family Guy right after this.
	History has shown us That sacrificing our right to privacy...
	You're right.
	I'm going to totally produce that.
	Nailed it.
	...can have dire consequences.
	We still live in a world where all people are not treated equally.
	Too many people do not feel free to practice their religion or express their opinion.
	Or love who they choose.
	Or love who they choose.
	A world in which that information can make the difference between life and death.
	throwing Oh, trick-or-treaters.
	Well, what do we have here?
	A cowboy and a princess?
	Uh, yippee-ki-yay, Mr.
	Mayor.
	Oh, a western princess?
	All right, listen.
	We want that drinking law gone.
	And everybody knows the best way to get any law struck down is to get the gays angry about it.
	Yeah, I saw that one, too.
	Bill Gates had an interesting take.
	I don't know if I edited this properly, though.
	Let's see.
	Is Apple right to be challenging the FBI's request to open a backdoor to its phones?
	There's no doubt Apple can make this information available, and I don't think there's any doubt that when the courts eventually rule...
	Also talking, but he talks about the courts, not about Congress.
	...that they'll follow whatever the court says to do.
	Citing no opinion.
	Citing nothing.
	Just pulling it out of his ass.
	Well, he has a good line here.
	Want the government to be blind on one hand, or if it's not blind, does it have the right safeguards of how that information works?
	When it's acquired and how it's used, that's a good debate.
	In my view, the benefits to the government being able to enforce taxation, being able to stop Crime, particularly things like terrorism with nuclear weapons or biological means, which means a very few number of people are given by innovation the ability to affect millions or billions.
	You know, I hope that we can have that debate so that the safeguards are built so people don't opt, and it'll be country by country, that, hey, it's better off if the government...
	Would you support a backdoor into Microsoft phones, Google phones, Apple phones as a general principle?
	Nobody's talking about a backdoor.
	So that's not the right question.
	This is a specific case where the government's asking for access to information.
	They're not asking for some general thing.
	They're asking for...
	But is Apple right to say that a backdoor once created in one case is a backdoor that can be used in the future?
	Apple has access to the information.
	They're just refusing to provide the access and the courts will tell them whether to provide the access or not.
	You shouldn't call the access some special thing.
	It's no different than should anybody ever been able to tell the phone company I like that.
	I like the analogy.
	Apple security is like a ribbon.
	Don't ask me to cut the He's actually slamming him.
	Yeah, oh yeah.
	So I'm not so worried anymore.
	This is going to be a long, drawn-out conversation in Congress.
	Everybody wants to...
	The people should vote.
	The people should say...
	Congress is not going to do us any favors.
	No.
	No, no, no, no.
	All it's going to do is do a favor for Apple to make them liability proof or...
	Less chance of getting sued.
	They do this constantly.
	They do it with all the pharmaceutical companies.
	It's like every big company comes to Congress and, okay, okay, we'll make it so you can't get sued.
	By law.
	Yeah.
	So, I don't know what your take is, but when I hear Comey and Cook...
	Comey and Cook?
	The odd couple.
	When I hear them both...
	Talking about, no, no, this is not for the court.
	This is for Congress, for the people to decide.
	You just got to wonder, are they both...
	Maybe Apple just wants to have something that...
	No, I can't imagine that.
	It has never been...
	I don't think ever in...
	All about the money.
	In the history of mankind, have we ever had an information box...
	That no one could open except the owner with the appropriate credentials.
	Not really.
	No.
	Okay.
	And the question is...
	There used to be the encryption.
	I mean, there was encryption during World War II, and most of it was always cracked.
	Yeah.
	And that's kind of a box.
	For individuals, I like the Apple sales job.
	They don't have to do anything because it already works.
	I hope they don't take that part out where I can have strong passphrases.
	So I'm happy.
	But I would think that Apple wants it codified that they are allowed to, that they, and we know Android can't do it, that they are the ones who have the absolute secure box that And, of course, in history, I don't think that's ever existed.
	No, you cannot get my information.
	Now, of course, what's fun about it is you can use it.
	There's plenty of instances where you can't get my information.
	You just memorize it and shut up.
	Right.
	That's the only one.
	That's how you keep your passcode.
	But people these days can't even remember six digits, so you get what you deserve, dumb slaves.
	Well, when I was doing Cranky Geeks, a farmer, the guy who's a good hacker and knows all this stuff, he said you want to remember long passphrases.
	You do it in the form of a sentence.
	Yes.
	I always thought that was a good idea.
	So you would do something like, this is my password for the Apple iPhone 5C. Right.
	And that would be your passcode, and it's not going to, as if anyone's going to guess that, And it's way over the characters you're talking about, and it'd be very hard to crack.
	And you can remember that.
	What you can't remember is a Joe Ango password.
	Five carat, five ampersand, ampersand, ampersand, six, six, six, forty-three, lowercase, A, B, C, you know, this thing that goes on forever.
	When a long sentence, you know, I'm really a big fan of the Golden State Warriors, you know, or something even sillier, is just as secure.
	And there's a good tip for people who want to have a long password.
	Yeah, so I think it's all marketing.
	I think that's...
	Yeah, I think this is a marketing ploy.
	And I don't like that Cook is only talking about this and is not touting the actual capabilities of the devices, which means he's full of shit.
	I got an email from one of our producers, who is a teacher, Annie.
	Teacher Annie.
	Adam, I was listening to the last show in which you mentioned the Mind Up program from Goldie Hawn.
	Then you played a clip.
	You played a clip.
	Let me play a little piece of that clip.
	This is Goldie Hawn's educational charity.
	So the beautiful thing is to live right now.
	How hard is that?
	The only thing that's hard about it is finding the time to sit down.
	A few times each day, the kids pause.
	It's called a brain break.
	After a few quiet moments, their eyes open and heart rates drop.
	That's telling our bodies that we're calm and we can think clearly and we're ready to take a test or ready to calm down.
	It can also tame aggression.
	What if you're angry at your friend?
	Should you just hit them?
	No.
	Yes.
	That's why we pause, take some deep breaths.
	And out.
	So this was the gong or the chime.
	And so Annie continues, While I understand your concern about the mind control aspect of the techniques of the program, as a teacher, what I heard was wonderful.
	If I can keep my students from hitting each other, kicking each other, or bashing each other's heads into a wall, it has been a good day.
	Inner city kids need programs like this to teach them how to act towards each other because they aren't learning those skills at home.
	I personally use a gong in my classroom.
	Cue John.
	Wow!
	Cue, John.
	I teach music and theater to grades 1 through 5.
	Yelling at students or waiting for them to pay attention simply does not work and wears out my voice, so I use the gong.
	Anyway, glad to answer questions about being a public school teacher working with inner-city kids.
	Send us more, Annie.
	I love that.
	And you have inspired me.
	Luckily...
	I have been informed this is the Zenergy chime that is being used in the MindUp program.
	And I feel that we can use this to our own benefit.
	Yes.
	Okay, everybody.
	This is all hip for various levels of hip.
	Well, let's try it out.
	Let's try it out.
	Okay, everybody.
	Wait, let me do this.
	Maybe I should put a little reverb.
	Yeah, a little reverb.
	Hold on, that'll probably be better.
	Okay.
	Okay, everybody.
	It's time for a brain break.
	Let our bodies know that we're calm and we can think clearly.
	And we're ready to calm down.
	What if you're angry at your friends?
	Should you just hit them?
	No.
	That's why we pause, take a deep breath, and donate to No Agenda.
	Donate to No Agenda.
	Donate to no agenda.
	How crazy.
	That is the sound from the manufacturer.
	We've got to get a couple.
	It's on order.
	It's only nine.
	We're at the dinner table and JC chimes in.
	We're talking about some of this stuff.
	And he says...
	He always considers himself a Lacanian train.
	There'd be a few people out there who recognize that name.
	Well, you need to explain that.
	It's a long story.
	We talked about it years ago.
	He says the methodology for avoiding being hypnotized by a sweet talker who's actually hypnotizing you more than they are teaching you how to meditate or anything else.
	Sure.
	He says the key to success to keep from being hypnotized is to actually concentrate on their words to an extreme.
	I just programmed everybody's brain and now you're telling them how not to do it?
	Well, it's too late.
	They're already programmed.
	They're not going to be able to do this now unless they listen to the show later.
	Hold on.
	Let's see if it works.
	Listen to that thing, man.
	That's a gem.
	So you listen very carefully to the person talking, which is what we do on this show when we listen to some of the bull crap that is being read to us.
	Television is more or less a hypnotic product anyway.
	You're just staring at it and they're telling you crazy stuff like the Romney thing.
	Citing no proof.
	Yes, citing no proof.
	...is a form of this, and so if you listen carefully, which is what we do on this show when we listen to these clips, it's the same thing.
	You just listen carefully, and you will not be, because you'll actually be excited to be listening so carefully.
	Donate to no agenda.
	PHONE RINGS Oh, man, that thing is painful almost.
	And I think if you have the real deal, you won't have this issue.
	It's a pretty good recording.
	Yeah, it is.
	It's piercing.
	Alright.
	What else we got going on, Johnny Boy?
	Oh, oh, oh my gosh!
	Congratulations!
	Okay, thank you.
	I'm proving once again that you are from the future.
	What do I do now?
	Well, you brought up a product which I don't think I'd ever heard of before.
	Yeah, sorghum.
	Sorghum.
	And moments later, the next day, on the number one television show in America.
	I mapped out some of the agricultural supply places in the area.
	Even if they've been cleaned out, my bet is that the sorghum would be untouched.
	That there is a criminally underrated grain that could change the game with our food situation from scary to hunky-dunky.
	I'm talking standability, drought-tolerance, grain-to-stover ratio.
	That is the envy of all corns.
	Think about it.
	That, of course, is Walking Dead.
	And now I gotta think we're being set up with this sorghum crap.
	Could be.
	Because we've got the biggest depression ever coming.
	So Sorghum is also mentioned apparently by somebody sent me a note that Stephen King is touting it.
	Yeah, Mr.
	Apocalypse.
	And apparently Stephen King's future story, which is, I think the name of the show is 11-22-63.
	I don't know.
	Which is a miniseries only available on Hulu to Hulu subscribers.
	My wife's been watching it.
	I'll probably watch it later.
	It's apparently dynamite.
	It's a guy in the future that's sent back.
	This is actually an interesting thesis for time travel.
	Guy in the future is sent back to stop the Kennedy assassination.
	Really?
	Why didn't he stop the John Lennon assassination?
	That would be better.
	You can do that later.
	And actually, if you stop the Kennedy assassination, the John Lennon assassination would probably by nature be stopped naturally.
	But anyway, it turns, and the way that I think the story is, is the resistance that time has.
	In other words, Kennedy, the elemental forces that are going to result in Kennedy's assassination are pretty hard to interrupt.
	And the show, I think, I haven't seen it.
	I'm going to start watching so I can say, but this is what I understand.
	I read the reviews.
	And so the guy, going back in time, trying to stop this is thwarted, just constantly can't manage to get the job done.
	Very interesting.
	Speaking of that, there's two new shows I caught.
	One is Billions.
	Yes.
	Which is, is that Amazon?
	I think it's Amazon Original.
	With Paul Giamatti.
	Good show.
	I didn't like it.
	I thought it was pushing.
	I liked the first episode where his wife ties him down and urinates on him.
	That got my attention.
	Well, that's probably the only reason you liked it.
	I found that to be just like, why am I watching this?
	I can watch porn if I want to watch something like this.
	It was disgusting.
	And the other show is Vinyl.
	And that's on, I think that's HBO? Vinyl?
	Yeah, I've watched vinyl I really don't like.
	Because I, here's my take on vinyl.
	It's extremely slow moving.
	It's so sluggish.
	Did you see the second episode or only the pilot?
	Only the first one.
	Only watched the first two hour episode.
	Yeah, if you watch the second one, you kind of get sucked in, I think.
	I tried to watch the second one, but I was so put off by the first episode that I don't think I can...
	I'm biased.
	I'll give the second episode a second shot.
	I'm biased.
	But it better really be good.
	I'm biased and I'll tell you why.
	Because I know either the names of the players or who they are supposed to be playing in the music business.
	Yeah, so it's an insider show.
	It is an insider show.
	Yeah, well this is like Silicon Valley.
	Like Silicon Valley is an insider show.
	Well, I didn't even watch the last season.
	Yeah.
	It's shit.
	Yeah.
	I am very picky about what I watch.
	I tend to watch real popular stuff for structure.
	And I like, you know, shows that are kind of...
	I like mysteries.
	I like good detective stories.
	In the chat room, Donald Trump just said, I will make vinyl great again.
	So we're good to go.
	So I don't like vinyl.
	I don't like billionaire or whatever it's called.
	And the other new shows, I've tried, bumped into a bunch of them.
	And I'm glad.
	I mean, I try not to watch this stuff.
	I mean, I'll watch...
	Somebody was asking about The Good Wife.
	I've never been able to watch that.
	What do you think about The Good Wife?
	I said, I think it's a fantastic show.
	It's very well structured.
	It's a good story, but it's got annoying long arcs that I just don't want to deal with.
	I don't want to start watching soap operas in prime time.
	It's just not for me.
	So I always say, should I be watching C-SPAN for the benefit of the No Agenda listener, or should I be watching this crap?
	And I always back off.
	People come in the room, they see me, they see me, what am I watching?
	I'm watching C-SPAN or Warriors game.
	Speaking of that, I watch C-SPAN for y'all.
	And the president was meeting with someone in his sit-down chair room, and then afterwards the press was able to ask questions, so the president was reasonably unscripted.
	There was no teleprompter visible.
	You know the situation with the camera clicking.
	And he addressed the issue of nominating a new Supreme Court justice.
	He's on the stump for this.
	That's why you saw him.
	And there's a couple things that we need to talk about in what he said on his stump.
	Let's see how the public responds to the nominee that we put forward.
	This is already interesting.
	Right off the bat, he's saying, let's see how the public responds.
	Fine.
	The public is not responsible.
	It is the president's article 2, section 2, clause 2.
	It is the president's job to nominate with advice and consent of the Senate.
	And the Senate doesn't necessarily represent the people, does it?
	It represents the states more than the people.
	But the president's like, oh, this is the people should decide.
	No, that's not how it works.
	The one thing I think is important to dispel is any notion that somehow this is some well-established tradition.
	Now, listen carefully.
	The president is going to start refuting all of the talking points, which means they bother him or bother somebody.
	And we had the 80-year question, which we already highlighted on the show, when Rubio said, oh, you know, 80 years, this hasn't happened.
	Then Ted Cruz said it.
	Then the a-hole moderator interrupted.
	He said, no, no, that's not right.
	It was nominated 85, 86.
	So that's technically not right.
	And the president goes into this.
	So there's something strange here.
	Or some constitutional principle that a president in his last year of office cannot fill the Supreme Court vacancy.
	It's not in the text of the Constitution.
	Ironically, these are Republicans who say they believe in reading the text of the Constitution and focusing on the intent of the Constitution.
	None of the founding fathers thought, you know, when it comes to the president carrying out his duties, he should do it for three years and then on the last year stop doing it.
	This is a very, very weak argument he's pulling out here.
	And the appointments clause is really, it only says the president shall have the power by and with the advice and consent of the Senate to make treaties provided two-thirds of the Senate present or concur, and he shall nominate and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers, council judges, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States.
	Does it say advice?
	Yes.
	So the Senate's supposed to advise him?
	With the advice and consent of the Senate.
	He's not getting any advice.
	So he's in violation of that already.
	Well, who's violating?
	The President.
	He's already deep in.
	He's going to pick somebody.
	Where's the advice?
	Well, here it is.
	This is...
	I also looked up consent...
	I don't even care about this.
	As far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever he wants.
	But I hope that if you're going to do this bit here, that you're going to bring in the Joe Biden clip.
	Hello, motherfucker!
	Of course!
	There's an argument that, well, the president shouldn't do this because he is a lame duck.
	Well, the truth of the matter is that traditionally the term lame duck refers to the Is that the official definition of a lame duck?
	Generally speaking, it's this.
	You just lost the election, and now you're still in office, and then the new guy's going to take over, but he doesn't take over that day of the election.
	He takes over a couple months later, and so there's that little period where you're the lame duck, and it would apply to him, that you're not obliged to do anything.
	You're the dumb, lame duck.
	You're not supposed to really mess things up, but you could.
	Why not?
	You just called a lame duck, doesn't mean you can't do anything.
	I've got a year to go.
	I don't think they would approve of me abdicating on my duties as commander in chief.
	Stop doing all the other work that I got to do.
	All the other work, John?
	He's got a lot of work.
	He's got a lot of golf.
	He's got a lot of golf and work on his swing, yeah.
	All the other work that I got to do, well, this is part of my job.
	There's been arguments that, for 80 years, this has been the tradition.
	Well, that's not the case.
	Now he's actually going to explain this little ditty.
	Justice Kennedy was a fool.
	Well, hold on.
	...nominated by Ronald Reagan in Ronald Reagan's last year of office.
	They say, well, that's different because he had been nominated in 1987, even if he was...
	This is what happens when he's not scripted.
	He should not be doing this.
	This is stupid.
	If you want to make a point, to go into this depth about this, but 80 years is dumb.
	You should stick to the original thing, I'm doing my job.
	Confirmed.
	Or 85, even if he was confirmed in 86.
	He's worse than Kerry when he gets in these situations.
	The notion that there's some two-month period in which suddenly it all flips and everything shuts down, that's not a credible argument.
	What other arguments are they making?
	I don't know.
	Just keep on going.
	They suggest that there have been a couple of times where Democrats said it would be wise for a president not to nominate someone.
	First of all, we know senators say stuff all the time.
	I like this because he's pretty much slamming his vice president.
	He says, oh, senators say shit all the time, man.
	You know, they just say stuff all the time.
	Joe Biden was a senator when he said this.
	As a result, it is my view that if a Supreme Court justice resigns tomorrow or within the next several weeks or resigns at the end of the summer, President Bush should consider following the practice of a majority of his predecessors and not name a nominee until after the November election is completed.
	The Senate too, Mr.
	President, must consider how it would respond to a Supreme Court vacancy that would occur in the full throes of an election year.
	It is my view that if the President goes the way of Presidents Fillmore and Johnson and presses an election year nomination, the Senate Judiciary Committee should seriously consider not scheduling confirmation hearings on the nomination until after the political campaign season is over.
	Yeah.
	Not to nominate someone.
	First of all, we know senators say stuff all the time.
	Second of all, these were comments that were made where there was no actual nomination at stake.
	Well, you can laugh about that, but Joe Biden's words, your vice president, some dumbass senator, because you know they always say stuff all the time, he said that.
	Yeah.
	So, it has no application to the actual situation that we have right now.
	So, we'll see how this plays itself out.
	But I'm going to do my job.
	I'm going to nominate somebody and let the American people decide as to whether that person is qualified.
	No, no, the American people don't decide that.
	And if they are qualified, let the American people decide whether there's enough time for the U.S. Senate to hold hearings and have a vote.
	It's not as if, from what I see, the Senate calendar is so full that we don't have time to get this done.
	Well, I don't know.
	Eh.
	Consent to agree in opinion or sentiment to be of the same mind.
	I'm sorry.
	That is what is needed.
	Seems like another distraction, the whole thing.
	Oh yeah, totally.
	Totally.
	And I came up with my...
	It's worse than Carrie.
	It's just as bad.
	I fixed my analogy.
	You know, everyone's saying, well, if we get this person, if he nominates that, and then if Hillary gets this many delegates and Bernie does this, it's not Moneyball.
	I figured out what it is.
	It's fantasy football.
	That's what they're doing.
	Fantasy sports would be better.
	Okay.
	Fantasy football, everybody understands.
	No, everyone understands fantasy sports.
	Fantasy football is an element of it.
	When I think fantasy sports, I got a whole different idea.
	What do you think?
	Oh, never mind.
	I think you already brought it up with the billionaire's citation.
	New WikiLeaks leaked Italy spying.
	This is a clip from Democracy Now!
	You know about the new WikiLeaks stuff.
	Have you been exploring it?
	I have three things on my docket.
	One of that is this.
	I have the thousand-page report from Dame Judy or Judith or whatever her name is about the pedo bears in the UK. So, no, I haven't explored it yet.
	Well, listen to this.
	Listen to this clip.
	Italy summoned the U.S. ambassador after reports the National Security Agency tapped the phones of former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi and his aides in 2011.
	Italy said it wanted specific clarifications after Italian news outlets citing WikiLeaks reported on the spying.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	Now, so the WikiLeaks has a bunch of new stuff that came out with.
	I don't know how this planned it.
	I don't know too much about it.
	I just found out about it when I listened to this Democracy Now!
	report because nobody else is talking about it.
	And it seems to me that if Democracy Now is going to be the only people that even mention it, why don't they start looking into this?
	Nobody seems to do all these great documents and everybody, whatever, nobody cares.
	Let's slam Trump.
	We've got other things to do with our time.
	I find it very peculiar.
	And of course, this latest thing is just, yeah, we're spying on Berlusconi.
	Holy crap, who knew we'd do something like that?
	We spy on everybody.
	Yeah, it's a lot more.
	NSA targets world leaders for U.S. geopolitical interests.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, this is why the iPhone can never be completely locked down, people.
	This cannot happen.
	Yeah, and it won't happen.
	In fact, the NSA probably already has the back door.
	French, Austrian, Belgians, Italians, UN officials.
	Well, yeah, that's what we do.
	What's the problem?
	And while you're talking about that TV show Billionaires, I was actually disturbed by this clip.
	I'm not disturbed disturbed, but it was just bothersome.
	This is the Billionaires clip.
	Beijing now has more billionaires than New York.
	The Chinese capital added 32 to its ranks last year, bringing the total to 100, thanks to a number of new listings on the stock market.
	New York City has 95 billionaires, according to the latest Hurun Report's latest global rich list.
	Moscow rounded out the top three with 66.
	Okay.
	Does anybody find this to be peculiar?
	I'll tell you why.
	When I was a kid, not even a kid, it was like in the late 70s.
	And then when I started working, I think around 81 or something like that.
	Probably 80.
	No, I went to work for...
	Ziff Davis in 86 and so in 86 and I got to know Bill Ziff and at the time he was a billionaire and at the time there was something like 12 or 13 in the entire world And I knew a bunch of them.
	I knew Larry Ellison was a billionaire.
	Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer were billionaires.
	The guy who ran Evergreen Shipping out of Taiwan was a billionaire.
	But it was a limited number of people.
	And then all of a sudden, the billionaire mania took off and everybody's becoming a billionaire.
	And of course, it's all related to a lot of...
	Well, to be fair, what she said is because of the stock market listings, they may be worth a billion on paper.
	Yes.
	Not exactly like they got a billion in cash sitting around.
	That's true.
	But still, they could do, you know, you can sell that stock and come out with a lot of money.
	Is your problem the actual amount, the billions that we have, it's billion, billion, billion instead of millionaires?
	Because when I was growing up, millionaire was a big deal.
	Now it's billionaire.
	It was.
	Which is a thousand times a million.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Everyone's a house on the block.
	He's a millionaire.
	The house is worth more than that.
	I just find it very peculiar.
	And I've noticed this.
	The other one during my early era was the Sultan of Brunei.
	It was a big deal.
	It was loaded.
	But nobody...
	There wasn't these hundreds of billionaires.
	It was just maybe 20 or 30 max.
	And I just find it distressing.
	In what way?
	That there's more billionaires?
	Well, it's like...
	What changed to make all these billionaires?
	It has to be one thing only, finance.
	These guys are all somehow the financial structure of the country and the banking system.
	It's a devaluation of money.
	And the devaluation of money, there's no doubt about that.
	So I'm thinking that you were probably right about the gold idea.
	Should have stuck with it.
	And thank you very much for telling everybody about my gold hoarding on your little show there with Horowitz.
	So now I'm a target.
	What did I say?
	No, you're talking about, oh, Curry had a gold doorstop.
	When was this?
	I got word.
	This was like five years ago.
	No, two episodes ago.
	No.
	On Dvorak Horowitz Unplugged.
	You can go listen to it.
	You will not find me talking about your gold doorstop, which as far as I know, you don't own it.
	Oh, I don't.
	I have gold coins.
	I got coins.
	I got coins.
	I gave you a coin.
	Coins is fine.
	Do you still have the coin I gave you?
	Oh, man.
	Yeah, I believe I do.
	The one that's in the plastic thingy?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I still have that.
	That's a third of an ounce of gold that I gave you.
	Yeah, it's worth more than it says it's worth a penny or something on the gold.
	So now you are actually telling me that you think gold is a good idea?
	Well, you know, gold probably is not a bad idea once it's at these levels at $1,100.
	Yeah.
	But it's still not as far as I'm concerned.
	It doesn't have half of the charm and the leverage of real estate, which is really what people should invest in.
	Hmm.
	I mean, because real estate goes up the same way gold does.
	Yeah, and it goes down.
	I've had good and bad in real estate.
	It doesn't go down that much.
	I've had good and bad.
	I don't know what happened there.
	Sorry about that.
	I'll tell you what, why don't we take a break?
	I'm going to show myself old by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	You know, you can have good and bad in real estate, but gold does the same thing.
	I mean, it was on its way to $2,000.
	It's $1,100 now.
	Even a house doesn't make that kind of pledge.
	Yeah, but gold is portable.
	A house is not so.
	Oh, yeah.
	And when we left to go to England, I had two houses to sell.
	One was the castle.
	Believe me, good times.
	And the other one...
	You leased the castle.
	No, I bought that.
	And the house in Amsterdam, I took a bath on the house in Amsterdam.
	So you kept it?
	Yeah, oh, that's real easy.
	No, no.
	But I made money on the castle.
	And then I lost all of it to my second wife.
	Well, there you go.
	It's not a function of the real estate.
	It's a function of my penis, as usual.
	More gold from you.
	All right, let's thank a few people who helped us.
	Sir Don Borowski in...
	Where are you?
	In Spokane Valley, 12345.
	And he has a note, which...
	Are we reading notes again?
	I have to read this note.
	Okay.
	Because this note, even though it doesn't say the WA-6 is O-M-I. Oscar Mike India, that's right.
	This note has to be read because it's on the United Federation of Planets Starfleet Command letterhead.
	I don't really have a choice.
	I'm a bit hesitant to send my contribution.
	I notice that my check tends to arrive when overall donations are down.
	Show number 794 being the latest example.
	Should I be happy that my help arrives when most needed?
	Or should I be sad that somehow my contribution brings bad karma?
	Conflicted in Spokane Valley, Washington.
	Sir Donald of the fire hotties.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	I think...
	I don't know.
	Just, you know, send us your cash.
	Really?
	Not blankets.
	Don't worry about such things.
	It's a cycle.
	Clay Gilliland.
	I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water.
	Just send your cash.
	There you go.
	If you wanted to listen to something that Horowitz and I said, Horowitz says on the last show, does Adam Curry have like six arms?
	No.
	Why is that?
	Because of the way you handle the production of the show.
	Oh, yeah.
	You're looking stuff up.
	Thank you.
	But you know what?
	I just want to make it look easy.
	That's all.
	Clay Gilliland in Chandler, Arizona, $111.11.
	Robert Doland, or Doland, probably Doland, because it's Dol, D-O-L-L, in Shelby Township, Michigan, $100.
	Sir Dennis Stevens in Parker, Colorado.
	He said, when you said some veterinarians too, I almost did a spit take with my morning coffee.
	You definitely should have given yourself an ITM for that.
	I don't really remember what I said.
	Anyway, you deserve something.
	We used to talk about doctors and you said veterinarians too.
	I killed it!
	You killed it.
	Jason, anyway, Sir Dennis in Parker, Colorado, 100.
	Jason Mayer, Mayer, Mayer, in Wanaki, Wisconsin, 8888.
	And he's November 9, Oscar Lima Sierra.
	Nice.
	Seven threes.
	Yo.
	Nicholas Aristavi, perhaps, in San Bruno, 80.
	Anonymous in Tallahassee, Florida, 66.
	By the way, these donations drop off rather quickly, which is disappointing.
	Anonymous in Tallahassee, Florida, 66.
	And we've got a birthday coming up for somebody.
	Guy Nichols in Harrison, Arkansas, 5705.
	Jeffrey Sewell in Wyandot, I think.
	And Guy Ninkle says he's going to be at the meetup, by the way.
	Oh, in Fayetteville?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he's in Harrison's, right?
	Perfect.
	You can drive across the Arkansas within a day easily.
	Within a few hours, actually.
	Jeffrey Sewell.
	You should go to some cool towns in Arkansas.
	I think Arkansas is one of the prettiest states in the country.
	People don't realize it.
	Do you know that I was reading that the FBI has raided some guy like some of these kooky archivists?
	Yes, in North Little Rock.
	Yeah, they raided his...
	He's an archivist, better known as a hoarder.
	And he has all these photo archives.
	Do you think that it might have something to do with Hillary?
	Yeah.
	Ooh.
	I don't know good or bad.
	We don't know.
	But they raided this guy.
	No one will talk to him.
	They raided his house and his archives, which is a big warehouse full of...
	What he apparently did as a hoarder was go around from newspapers...
	As the newspapers all folded, they all have...
	What are they called?
	Content.
	They got content.
	They have morgues.
	They're called morgues.
	Microfiche?
	No.
	Microfiche is different.
	The morgues are the original photographs.
	Hmm.
	And you go in there and you have, which reminds me of a story I used to always tell in my speeches.
	It turns out that the more I get the San Francisco examiners about them, it turns out that...
	It's okay.
	It's okay.
	Bring it on.
	You can do it.
	Let me set it up.
	Here's how I lead into it.
	I talk about how Bill Gates...
	Bill Gates claims that he never said 640k should be enough, which is a...
	And this is something that we were just talking about, where you get attributed things to you that may or may not be true?
	It may or may not be true, because he turns out, he never did this early on, but when it was 640k was enough.
	But he denied it.
	He says, you can't find any proof that I've ever said this.
	There's no way I ever said this.
	Which led me to the story about the photos in the morgue at the San Francisco Examiner.
	This is the photos in the morgue at the San Francisco Examiner story by John C. Dvorak.
	It turns out there was a bunch of photos taken of Bobby Kennedy in San Francisco the day before Marilyn Monroe was murdered in Southern California.
	Those photos have all gone missing.
	Nobody can say they can even prove he was there, which always has led me to believe that it was Bill Gates who killed Marilyn Monroe.
	This is like George H.W. Bush, who couldn't remember where he was on the day that Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas.
	He can't remember.
	But he was in Dallas.
	We have documents that he was in Dallas.
	Onward.
	Anonymous in Tallahassee, 6666.
	I like your stories, by the way.
	I like them.
	Guy, well, you know, some work and some don't.
	Guy, we already did Guy.
	Jeffrey Sewell in Wyandotte, we did that.
	Wyandotte, that's the name.
	Matthew Dropko in Delaware, Ohio, 5555.
	Is it Sir Matthew by now?
	Yes, Sir Matthew.
	Love and Light.
	Dropko with the world's greatest last name.
	Sounds like a company.
	I'm the president of Dropko.
	Sir Brian Kaufman in Phoenix, Arizona, $50.50.
	And now the rest of these are $50 donors.
	Joe Schwarzbauer in Fluorescent, Missouri.
	Sandy Geisler in Watkinsville, Georgia.
	Brandon Menk in Tempe, Arizona.
	Jason Daniels in Parts Unknown.
	Patrick Mackom in New York City.
	Duncan Sanders.
	No, we didn't get anything from Duncan Sanders.
	So, that's our group.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	Well, thank you.
	And, of course, a special thanks to everyone who does not get mentioned because you're on a monthly program, which I encourage everybody to do.
	It really helps a lot with us, particularly if you just send the checks.
	You can do it electronically.
	There's information about that on our page, which is...
	Now we need to do two make goods somehow on show 8.
	I just want to say Guy Nichols says he's got perpetual douchebag syndrome, so you have to worry about don't, you know, when you shake your hands with him in Fayetteville, you might have mentioned a wash.
	Well, I'll be shaking with my right hand as I received many, many, many comments that, yes, you wipe with your left, you eat and shake with your right.
	I got it.
	There was just a moment of dyslexia that I had.
	Did you hear, I got a note from one of the Eagle Scouts that listens to the show?
	No.
	He said that it's called the Boy Scout handshake.
	The left hand, you know, Tina, who's left, he said, I'm sorry to disappoint you, there's no special handshake that she's aware of.
	There is.
	It's the Boy Scout handshake.
	Well, I hope they're not doing that after visiting the latrine.
	Just saying.
	To make good.
	Sorry, John Robinette.
	If you think about it, if you're going to go by the sanitation rationale for the handshake, and you think of the Boy Scout handshake being a left-handed handshake, I think there's something to it.
	Oh, man.
	Very nice.
	Yes.
	Yeah, very nice.
	Okay, onward.
	Now, let me see.
	I believe, I mean, I'm looking at...
	I should have gotten it in the morning for that, by the way.
	No.
	Let me see.
	Somehow we missed...
	I'll have to go retroactively put him back on.
	We missed John Robinette, who donated $200 for show 800, and I will make...
	I don't know how that happened.
	We will put him in the credits appropriately for 801.
	And Colin...
	Sorry?
	802.
	Well, no.
	I can go back and put him on 800.
	Oh, okay.
	He donated for 800.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The Freedom Controller has that flexibility.
	He'll get his credit.
	Colin Sloman, he donated $80 and also didn't make the list for show 800.
	So, apologies for that.
	Okay.
	Anything else?
	Well, I almost skipped a guy today, so it can happen.
	Yeah, and we apologize.
	I got six arms here.
	I can't do anything for you.
	It's the first ablated birthday for Colin Sloman, who turned 55 double nickels on February 17th.
	And we congratulate Scott Thompson celebrating his birthday today.
	There'll be 34.
	Jason Meyer, 40 years old, on the 27th.
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	Okay.
	Hello.
	This advertising thing, people.
	I've told you about this.
	This is not going to end well.
	And with that, let's talk about ad tech abuse.
	A new term.
	Ad tech abuse.
	Ad tech abuse.
	New word.
	Ad tech abuse.
	At the Mobile World Congress 2016 in Barcelona, there was a panel.
	And the panel had, let's see, a couple of Yahoo and Google executives.
	And they were on a panel with the chief marketing officer of this outfit called Shine.
	Yes.
	And this guy's name is Roy Carthy.
	And apparently, the Google and Yahoo guys were just kind of going a little bit...
	Now, there's no video yet, so I have something else to play for.
	There was no video, and I really wanted to get it.
	It even got people searching for me.
	There's just nothing really to find.
	And what is happening is the Shine Outfit, they are an ad blocker, but they're an ad blocker that sits at the mobile network operator level.
	So if you are on your smartphone and you're not connected through Wi-Fi, but you're connected through your mobile network, Depending on which mobile network and what deal they have with this outfit, ads will be blocked or not.
	It can be opt-in or opt-out.
	And this is why Google was like, oh, well, no, no, we're going to, you can't, no, no, I don't understand.
	This is why everyone needs to be on the accelerated mobile pages, which is called AMP. This is their big new push.
	And they're selling it as, oh, this makes your ad load really fast, it's highly compressed, so you can still have all those megabytes of crap sitting in your little ad units that bring in all kinds of stuff.
	So don't worry.
	And of course, once it's on AMP, then it's a part of...
	The Google infrastructure, it has HTTPS everywhere, will be much harder to block.
	That's why they're selling that.
	But this guy, interestingly, a lot in this company, this Shine, it's an Israeli company.
	And the guy kind of talks, well, he has a little bit of that accent that I have.
	But you remember Eyal, Eyal Shavit at Mevio?
	Oh, yeah.
	It's like an Eyal type guy.
	You know, the Israelis, man, they don't give a shit about you.
	They'll just ramrod you.
	And this guy's entire position, I have a clip when he was sitting down on a panel.
	This is from December last year.
	He's on a panel, and on the panel is Connor Mullen, who's the commercial director of RTE Media Sales Digital, which is a big European RTE media, big, big, big European media company.
	So here's the guy.
	He says what is happening here.
	And they started as a malware company, which I like the pivot.
	They started as a malware company.
	They said, wait a minute.
	The real malware is advertising.
	Interesting stance, and so they pivoted and created this, they're just a technical company, and their mobile operators can determine how they use the ad blocking services.
	This, of course, is a huge problem for Facebook, for Google, for Yahoo, pretty much for the entire online advertising industry.
	So here's this guy explaining ad tech abuse.
	How do you break down your view of ad blocking overall?
	Sure.
	So, put very simply, we believe the consumer has the right to block ads.
	Everywhere.
	Mobile, desktop, everywhere.
	And in fact, on desktop, it's very popular.
	And ironically, Google is the biggest distributor of ad blocking software in the world.
	Funny how that would work.
	And also, they're paying this quote-unquote extortion fee to I.O. I had to stop that for a second.
	He said offhandedly, this is extortion fee to IAG. Do you know what that is?
	Know what that is in reference to?
	You're going to tell me.
	Yeah.
	I didn't realize this.
	IAG is, I think it's the, here we go.
	Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and Taboola are all paying the owner of Adblock Plus to unblock ads on their website at a fee of 30% of the additional ad revenue, according to Financial Times.
	So this is clearly the business model for Adblock.
	And everyone's trying to determine what ads will be permissible and should get through the ad blocking.
	We heard the guy from Google, what's his name, the new CEO? That guy?
	Yeah, the Indian guy.
	The Indian guy.
	He was talking about acceptable ads.
	Well, now the industry, the interactive advertising industry, has come up with a concept known as Lean.
	So these are the ads that will be acceptable.
	And for a fee, apparently, you can get through your ad blocker.
	Lean stands for light, encrypted, ad choice-supported, non-invasive ads.
	So now there's going to be some kind of counsels.
	How does that spell lean?
	L-E-A-N. Light.
	Encrypted.
	Ad choice supported.
	Non-invasive ads.
	Lean.
	It's an acronym.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, it's an acronym.
	So that is where the industry wants to go.
	We need to create these, and that's not what this guy wants, but we need to create these lean ads, and then you can get through an ad blocker.
	So he's talking about some extortion fee, which is exactly what it is.
	It's an extortion fee that Adblock Plus is leveraging on those corporations, but that's not the idea.
	It's the only idea.
	They're paying this quote-unquote extortion fee to I.O. So the world works in funny ways.
	Now, our technology specifically is targeted more at mobile networks where we feel there's a bigger opportunity and where they feel there's a bigger impact on subscribers' user experience.
	They believe it's called pollution.
	We remove that pollution.
	We're not philanthropists.
	We get paid for it.
	That being said, our technology works, has been tested, and is in discussions to come to fixed lines.
	So people dislike advertising.
	Not all of them, but a lot of them.
	We believe they should have the right to block ads.
	They should also have the right to switch it back on in case they'd like to see the build, for example, or anybody else.
	I'm there to protect the consumers.
	What I can say is this.
	You're not protecting the consumers.
	You're enabling them to get content for free.
	No, I'm protecting them.
	That's what we do.
	As much as we intended at the get-go to protect them from malware and criminals and such things.
	You're like a guy that's found a door on the side of the cinema and you're letting people sneak in there for free because they don't want to buy a ticket.
	I should mention this was an interactive advertising conference.
	That's why everyone would be like, yeah!
	Yeah, you're enabling people to steal our shit, man!
	We have a social contract, man!
	If you think that people are using ad blocking to steal content, then you are completely misunderstanding the situation.
	This is a story of consumer abuse, period.
	This is a story of continuation of Snowden.
	People have drawn a line.
	And now they can draw that line.
	Before Shine, before Snowden, there was no line to be drawn because they didn't have the capability.
	That's not true.
	Please, if you're resourceful...
	And if you're talented, and if you're creative, and the God smile upon you, you're going to be alright.
	Will there be casualties?
	Absolutely.
	But this contract that you speak about does not exist.
	There was an understanding.
	And overzealous ad tech executives and companies, and gullible, maybe naive, maybe overzealous publishers as well, took some very bad decisions, which worked out real well for a good amount of time.
	And people made money.
	Can you stop for a second?
	Yeah.
	A couple things.
	Yeah.
	One, the argument of the guy saying stealing content is that he could have countered that with, well, you know, when you're reading through Vogue magazine, you skip past the page.
	Is it going to add on?
	Are you supposed to stop?
	Yeah, it's flawed thinking.
	Or you've got a special supplement, oh, advertising supplement that's in the middle of it.
	You pull it out and throw it away.
	Is that stealing content?
	No, none of that is.
	It's even worse.
	If you look at the whole panel, which is a couple hours, the publishers really truly believe that this is a deal.
	You want our content?
	You have to watch the ads.
	They're delusional.
	They're delusional.
	I want to throw another anecdote in there, because I've talked to a lot of people over the years about the website design, and the guy, you know, you go to some website, and then all of a sudden you get this pop-up flash thing that comes into the screen and covers the whole screen.
	Pinterest is doing this now, by the way.
	It covers the whole screen.
	You can't look at anything without subscribing or doing something.
	Screw you.
	I just go on and skip it.
	But it's...
	The guys tell me, you know, the designers say, you know, we have designed clean sites with good spots for ads.
	Everything works fine.
	We take it in and one of the guys that works at the company says, can we do a pop-up?
	No, we don't want to do pop-ups.
	People hate them.
	Let's do them.
	And you can't get past these a-holes that run, you know, some of these executive a-holes that insist on this crap.
	They're the ones who brought it on themselves.
	This is why I, yeah, that's what he's saying.
	This is why I could no longer work at my own Because it became like, oh, we need to do a homepage takeover for GoDaddy and make the content cheap.
	It's like, no, not interested in that anymore.
	Anyway, let's continue.
	A good amount of time.
	And people made money over good content and shitty content.
	With good technologies and bad technologies.
	Those days are over.
	So if you want to have a conversation about whether ad blocking will continue or will disappear, that's not a conversation.
	It's a fact.
	Okay, so he stated his case quite clearly.
	I tend to agree, but I think it's very interesting.
	I personally, I like ad blockers, and I think the model that works for me is when I go to Fortune, because of some story, Fortune will say, "Stop, you got to disable your ad blocker." If I really want to look at that content, then I disable the ad blocker, and I go in And then I've seen supposedly some ads.
	The flaw here, and this is what the advertisers, well, this is what the publishers know, there is so much fraud that if, so this would bring you down to real numbers.
	People who actually want to look at the content, not some click farm, who really disable the ad blocker to get in so it's not a very simple automated process.
	Eventually it could be done, of course.
	It would turn out that they have very low viewership and they would make zero money because the ad rates would come tumbling down even lower than they are today.
	It's all a scam.
	It's a big scam.
	Well, can I interrupt again?
	Yeah, sure.
	There is one way of looking at this.
	I'm familiar with a company that had a lot of ads and they were using these tricks of buying these, I guess, click farms or whatever they are.
	And if you went to Alexa...
	Which is kind of interesting, because Alexa is not really, I don't think, is a really good model for figuring out, you know, how many people are hitting the site or whatever.
	But if you go to Alexa on some of these sites that you're wondering about, and you look at the originating countries that are sending all these clicks.
	The Philippines, India...
	Indonesia.
	And these are American companies presenting American content for Americans.
	And why are all the Indians listening?
	Or the Filipinos?
	Why are they all involved in clicking away at this stuff?
	They're not.
	These are where these companies are located.
	Scam.
	It's a scam.
	Interesting you bring that up.
	So now, in this last clip, The Connor Mullen guy, of course, he works at RTE. He's the director of media sales for digital.
	So he has to sell this stuff.
	And this guy, he's seeing his job evaporate because mobile is no doubt the future.
	This guy has already this shine outfit.
	As I said, we're working on fixed line.
	It'll take a while.
	I think he only has one customer right now whenever this aired.
	But I like the idea of that being blocked at the network level.
	Of course, we know what the network operators are going to do.
	They're going to start inserting their own ads.
	We know that's going to happen.
	But this guy, this Connor Mullen of RTE, is so frustrated, he starts going at this guy in the most idiotic way, and the guy comes back with something that just blew me away.
	Now, my current model is advertising.
	So you block out my advertising...
	The consumer is still accessing my content.
	The consumer is paying the network operator.
	The network operator is paying you.
	So both of you can pay me and we do a revenue share.
	Happy days!
	What an a-hole, first of all.
	What is he going to do next?
	Is he going to ask Cisco for some money because the network operator uses Cisco or something?
	It's very bizarre.
	Happy days.
	Well, happy days.
	Happy days.
	Interesting idea.
	You should approach your local carrier and have a conversation.
	Well, no, I'll approach you.
	Conversation.
	I want you to listen.
	I don't want you to step on it, so listen to what he says.
	So, you know...
	Let's have a conversation about revenue share.
	I think it's a valid argument.
	I don't think, in fact, ideas of that sort have come about.
	Ultimately, though, hold on.
	At the same time, Shine is a technology provider.
	We do not provide policy, nor do we create the enforcement policy at the carrier level.
	So, you would have to have that conversation with them.
	Do I think that...
	You're getting paid by the...
	Carrier, aren't you?
	Yes, we're not clients of this.
	So, I can take a share of your revenue.
	You can take a share of someone's revenue.
	Why not yours?
	Because we've got a good racket going.
	You're not going to be able to touch our own.
	Okay, so you've got a racket going.
	Okay.
	I can't believe he said it.
	You can't have my revenue.
	We've got a good racket going here.
	Yeah.
	There's a good racket.
	The guy said it.
	It's a racket.
	The guy said it.
	Ha ha!
	Yeah, it's a great racket.
	It's a great idea.
	I'm all for it.
	I'm all for it.
	Yeah.
	The whole thing is a racket.
	That's why we don't do advertising.
	Yeah, because the racket is, oh, you should do advertising.
	Why should we do advertising?
	Why?
	Ruins the whole show.
	We can't do advertising.
	We do get people that do write us and ask us, well, I don't know why I should give you any money.
	You should do advertising like everybody else.
	No.
	Is that the voice?
	We can't talk about anything.
	If we do advertise, we can't talk about anything.
	Is that the voice they use?
	Yeah.
	Oh, you got one?
	I think we should probably get out of here.
	I got to get the Airstream of consciousness.
	You got a hard on.
	What?
	Or hard off.
	You got to get off.
	I have a hard stop is what it's called.
	Hard stop.
	I have a hard stop.
	I have a hard stop, everybody.
	Sorry.
	Hard stop.
	This is where my assistant will come in.
	Hi, Mr.
	Curry has a hard stop at 220.
	So you're taking off.
	You're heading to Fayetteville.
	Yep, Fayetteville.
	Fayetteville, yes.
	It should be fun.
	I've never been in...
	Well, I have...
	No, I wonder.
	I'm telling you, you should stay in Arkansas.
	You should go visit...
	Like, there's a town...
	I can't remember.
	It's called Buchanan or something.
	I'd have to look it up.
	But there is an antique town on the border between Oklahoma and Arkansas.
	Oh, good.
	We're going to go through that.
	And I mean, when I say...
	You're going to go back through Oklahoma?
	Yeah.
	Why not?
	Oh, then you should stop at this antique town.
	Do you know the name?
	It's an old town.
	I'll dig it up for you and send an email.
	Somebody may know.
	I think it's called Buchanan, but it could be something else.
	I have one question.
	It's like this town from the 1870s.
	It's huge and it's intact.
	I can't wait.
	That sounds great.
	I mean, all the old bank and all these things have been changed to tchotchke shops and, you know, souvenir places.
	But you drive over the hill from coming in from the Oklahoma side.
	You come over the hill and you look down at this thing and you go, what is that?
	And you have to check the calendar and make sure you're not in the twilight zone.
	In Arkansas, the Ozarks are fantastic.
	There's a couple of wineries up there in the mountains.
	Ozarks are beautiful.
	You should go up there and get some wine from the La Familia something or other winery.
	Well, you send me a little list, man.
	I will.
	If you want to be in Arkansas.
	And if anybody's coming to the meetup, come with ideas.
	Yes.
	And envelopes, hopefully.
	Yeah, that's very cool.
	All right, I'm calling it.
	We should get out of here.
	Okay, we're done.
	That was fun.
	I do enjoy our job.
	I do have the last clip to get out.
	Oh, sure.
	Stop!
	Just play Gender Weirdness and tell me what this woman is saying.
	Hold on a second.
	Gender Weirdness.
	It's hard enough being a college student, worrying about grades, social life, and what to do after graduation.
	Aiden Leong is even more on her plate.
	For me, I identify myself as she, her, he, him.
	That's why Leong says changes to restrooms at UC Davis couldn't come at a better time.
	Okay, thank you.
	I did not need that at the end of the show.
	She, her, he, him.
	It was good talking to you, Zee.
	Had a good time.
	She's Chinese, so I guess it sounds Chinese to say that.
	We're going to hell in a handbasket, people.
	She, her, he, him.
	All right, everybody.
	Remember us for the show on Sunday.
	Remember us for the meetup coming up in Fayetteville on Friday evening, 7 to 10.
	Remember us for the forthcoming pub crawl.
	With the Dvorak Horowitz Unplugged Show.
	And one final question, John.
	Do you actually have Pinterest?
	I don't use it.
	No, I don't use it because I just was sent to a site to see some pictures on Pinterest.
	And when I went there, it gave me this big pop-up.
	You've got to be a member to look at the pictures.
	And all this stuff.
	And this happened to me a couple of times.
	It's very annoying.
	I refused to join for that reason.
	And with that, coming to you from the skyscraper, a crackpot condo in downtown Austin, in FEMA Region 6 in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We'll be back on Sunday right here on No Agenda.
	Adios, mofos.
	Turkey is funneling terrorists out of the country of Turkey into Syria.
	Thank you, sir.
	Thank you, sir.
	Disgusting.
	It is a complete...
	Hey, John, this is getting real complicated.
	Guys, we're under attack!
	By who?
	I don't know!
	Little green men?
	How do you meet the challenge of little green men?
	Oh, it's Cobra.
	Oh, of course.
	Look, they have the pictures of the snakes on their planes.
	Duke, what have I been saying for years?
	What makes a good terrorist organization?
	Brand recognition.
	Brand recognition.
	Disgusting.
	These are people in the history of not being honest.
	These are people in the history of What this man is asking of us is to be the machine now.
	I give you police.
	Be the machine now.
	Be the machine now.
	I'm not familiar with the case.
	Disgusting.
	These are people in the history of not being honest.
	If they complete cholesterol.
	How do I meet the challenge of little green men?
	Little green men?
	Little green men are kind of phenomenal.
	How do I meet the challenge of little green men?
	Little green men?
	Little green men?
	I give you Bernie Sanders.
	Thank you, sir.
	Be the machine now.
	Be the machine now.
	What this man is asking of us is to be the machine now.
	I give you Bernie Sanders.
	Well, there's a lot of attention I'm actually right now at Reno guns and range and I put myself here.
	Because as you'll see over my shoulder here, there's lots of folks here who believe that the Second Amendment in this country is under attack.
	And they say that they're a short distance away.
	Later, Donald Trump is trying to protect the Second Amendment.
	All the Republicans are trying to support protecting the Second Amendment.
	Donald Trump has said that he supports the First Amendment.
	He supports the second amendment.
	Well, a large number from the crowd says that.
	As we look at, Donald Trump has been focusing on Ted Cruz.
	He's focusing on Ted Cruz.
	Saying today, wow, was Ted Cruz his very capable director.
	He used him as a scapegoat.
	Fired like a dog.
	Talking about the news has fired his spokesman.
	We're probably going to get a lot more later today.
	We're going down.
	No, no, no, no.
	Listen.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hey.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no, no.
	What?
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Listen.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hey.
	I have tried in every way I know how to level with the American people.
	If you're like some movie.
	Na, na, na, na.
	I remember landing under sniper fire.
	We just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles.
	All my grandparents, you know, came over here.
	I do not support gay marriage.
	I'm very proud to state that I'm a full supporter of marriage equality.
	The server contains personal communications from my husband and me.
	I did two emails.
	Otherwise, I didn't want to be one of them.
	I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning.
	I think that NAFTA is proving its worth.
	If it's not true, he's gonna bark!
	You know, you're asking me to say, have I ever?
	I don't believe I ever have.
	I don't believe I ever will.
	You know?
	I did.
	So, in the course of our work, this is in the two years, 11 to 13, 335 storylines that we worked on have been aired.
	We've worked with 35 networks in the past four years.
	91 different television shows.
	And wash your hands after touching any raw meat.
	I'm Joe Biden and thank you for taking the time to listen.

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