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	Everyone looks like a douchebag now.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, October 23rd, 2014.
	It's time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 663.
	This is no agenda.
	Sucking on a lozen jam.
	Broadcasting from FEMA Region 6 in the capital of the Drove Star State, Austin Tejas.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we are actually coming up on show...
	Six.
	You're what?
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill in the morning.
	Wow.
	That's rough.
	That's rough, rough.
	You've been ill.
	And I wrote it down.
	I want to stop you right there.
	Yeah, I know exactly.
	I know what you're going to say.
	No, I know what you're going to say.
	I wrote it down.
	You're going to say, you're sick too often.
	Oh, no, I wasn't going to say that.
	You're wrong.
	I was just going to tell the people that are going to listen to the next three hours.
	2.45 it should be, but it goes to three.
	I could die.
	You're hearing a guy who can be sick as a dog, when he goes on the air, he performs like a pro.
	He sounds normal.
	He doesn't sound sick.
	Last time he was sick, he didn't sound sick at all.
	I lose something in the lower register of my voice, and I can't quite...
	The pressure coming out of my lungs is not enough to project.
	It's right there.
	It's at that part.
	Use proximity effect to make it up.
	It's hard.
	I don't want to make you self-aware, but you're blowing my theory.
	Well, so imagine a world.
	After Sunday's show, of course, I must have already picked this up somewhere, and I think it was at this hoity-toity thing we had Friday in Austin, which was Pop Austin.
	Top Austin!
	I'll have to say a valiant try by the Art Alliance Austin, commercial kids who are trying to get some modern art going in Austin, being a more coastal, urban-type setting, which is desperately lacking in Austin.
	Mickey and I were in there for about a total of eight minutes.
	I'm like, okay, let's go.
	Good try.
	No doubt about it, but it was a war and it was a big...
	A big hall-type setting where they do weddings.
	In town, so it was kind of cool, but it doesn't really matter.
	I'm pretty sure that's where I picked it up.
	So Sunday, we have this benefit dinner we were invited to after the show, which I typically don't do because I'm already tired.
	And now I'm just already tired.
	And this was for the Zach Theater.
	With all of the performance, it was a beautiful benefit.
	We were invited by Eric, the constitutional lawyer, who...
	Let's put it this way.
	His last name is the name of the street in front of the theater.
	So he's built this place.
	So, you know, we're his arm candy.
	And, you know, it's always fun.
	You get a free show, free dinner.
	You're on one side and Mickey's on the other of this guy with the arm and arm.
	Exactly.
	That's how we do it with Eric.
	And it's outside underneath the tent, and it wasn't warm at all, but I'm just like, wow.
	I'm sweating, and I thought it was because I had a material of my shirt, and Mickey was like, are you okay?
	I feel okay, but I'm just sweating.
	I don't know.
	This was on the Friday event.
	No, this is the Sunday event.
	Oh, so you had already been sick.
	That's where I think I picked up the bug, yeah.
	So we come home, and it was like 10.30 or 11, and we go to bed, and within 15 minutes, I'm shivering like a monkey with no hair.
	Oh, you got the heebie-jeebies.
	And this turns into, of course, that's because your internal thermostat is adjusting and it needs to kickstart the sweat procedure.
	And Mickey's like, what's wrong?
	I'm sick.
	And we take my temperature, 101.4.
	Now, we know that 101.5 is the Ebola magic number.
	Wait.
	Wait.
	I thought it was...
	What was yours again?
	I had 101.4.
	I thought it was the magic number.
	No, 101.5, as I looked it up, that's the magic Ebola number.
	Were you beating from your eyes, your ears, and your mouth?
	Well, Mickey kept saying, oh, I can't wait for the explosive diarrhea part.
	When is that going to happen?
	But I'll tell you this.
	At a certain point, it was 102.9.
	So that was a little more extreme than I had bargained for.
	And this goes on for 48 hours straight.
	Oh, you may have had Noro.
	Did you have the craps?
	No, not at all.
	Nothing.
	No, not at all.
	Never was a Noro then.
	No.
	Maybe it was just the seasonal flu virus.
	But at a certain point, I'm thinking...
	Seasonal flu is not a 48-hour product.
	Oh, is it longer than that?
	Yeah.
	So I don't know what this was.
	It was just...
	Well, so then, of course...
	It was something going around.
	Yeah.
	And I'm thinking, how funny will it be for the guy who's telling everyone that Ebola is such a big hoax to then die from Ebola?
	That would be funny.
	That would be great.
	That would be legendary, wouldn't it?
	Yeah, you'd get the books on that one.
	Did that thought actually cross your mind?
	Very briefly, kind of in a ha-ha funny but not really laughter kind of way.
	For a moment, just for a brief, brief moment.
	Or, you know, I can just see the meeting.
	Hey, you know what?
	We're so sick and tired of this guy.
	Let's give him this.
	Just kill him.
	Make it look like Ebola.
	Make it look like Ebola.
	Let his head explode.
	So, of course, I did what we always do here.
	I went to see the witch on the hill.
	And she, man, she really did.
	She did great for me yesterday.
	Yeah, what did the witch do?
	The witch, and she lives in this house on the hill.
	Of course.
	You know, with chickens.
	They live on a house on a hill that's kind of spooky or in a cave.
	She's on the house on the hill.
	And, you know, with the iron gate that doesn't even open, you have to walk around the gate.
	Yeah.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	Her name is Deva.
	D-E-V-A. And she's about 5'1".
	And she's got a million cats and chickens walking through the house.
	Cats and chickens in the house?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Everything works.
	Then she takes me up to her treatment room.
	Yeah, I'm not kidding, John.
	This is real.
	No, I see her often.
	And she does this whole massage and then removes entities.
	I'll bet she does.
	And she talks to it.
	She talks to it?
	To the entity, yeah.
	And then she takes it out.
	I see what you're saying.
	I got mixed up.
	And I woke up this morning, I had a great rest, and I felt thoroughly refreshed.
	And I'll tell you, modern medicine today, outside of, you know, mechanical medicine, which has gotten really good, and our tools, you know, for fractures, and we can do great things with stents, and, you know, we have great, you know, on the real mechanics of the human body, and of course, antibiotics, you know, we're extremely advanced.
	But everything else, isn't it just, you know, pain management?
	We've got that down.
	And all this other stuff, you know, it's like your body is much, I think, much more sophisticated at healing itself.
	So I'd rather have a witch doctor or the voodoo guy do some stuff and my body takes over and it really works.
	I could just imagine going to the hospital.
	First of all, I'd have to sit there and say...
	Yeah, I think I did visit West Africa, you know, just to see what would happen, you know.
	Oh yeah, that'd be great, great gig.
	20 days in isolation.
	I don't think I could resist.
	Hey, but Ebola is over, John.
	Everybody's cured?
	Everybody's cured?
	I know, a couple of these guys got cured pretty quickly.
	And in Nigeria?
	Nigeria is clean.
	Yeah.
	It's Ebola-free.
	One case.
	They were afraid because it showed up in Lagos, which is one of the world's most densely populated cities.
	If it didn't go crazy there, this disease is a flop.
	Well, here's what's interesting.
	Did you know what the exact number of days is that the WHO requires for there to be no new cases of Ebola and therefore to proclaim an area Ebola-free?
	Seven.
	Nope.
	Ten.
	No, it's a magic number, John.
	Not 33, but it is.
	Three?
	No.
	Forty-two.
	Oh, 42.
	Yes.
	Well, there hasn't been 42 days since the...
	Well, okay.
	Which, as we know, is the answer to all things in the universe, according to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
	Yes, 42.
	And so the nurse, Amber Vinson, she's Ebola-free.
	Everyone's cleared up.
	You bring in this czar guy, and it's amazing what he can do!
	Yeah, they just got there.
	But let's just really state one obvious thing.
	This guy, Ron Klain, I think the only thing more offensive than this Ebola hoax is that guy's rug.
	My goodness, that is the worst toupee I've ever seen in my life.
	Well, I don't think it's the worst, but it's pretty bad.
	Oh, come on.
	That thing is horrendous.
	I think he wears it backwards.
	Yeah.
	Someone should create Ron Klain's rug, a Twitter account.
	He certainly isn't talking.
	He hasn't talked to anybody.
	Actually, I got a clip.
	This is before he was the czar, and it's a little out of context, but this is just a...
	I think the question was what he thinks about the world in general.
	Here's his answer.
	I think the...
	I think the top leadership issue in our world today is how to deal with a continuing, growing population in the world and all the resource demands and places on the world.
	And emerging populations in Africa and Asia that lack the resources to have a healthy, happy life.
	And I think we've got to find a way to make the world work for everyone.
	Yeah, by killing a lot of those people in Africa.
	This is like a eugenicist.
	Sounds a bit like it.
	Yeah, no, it sounds like that to me.
	Basically, it's one of our basic theses on the whole thing.
	Might as well stick with it.
	So I had to email John.
	I said, dude, I'm going to be light.
	You're going to have to help.
	And actually, last night, after the witch visit, stuff kicked in.
	I got a couple clips and stuff kind of worked.
	What was that?
	We just got a note from some guy who sent us a clip where Obama makes the comment that...
	Yeah, I have the...
	Hold on.
	Here's the note.
	Bart Olson.
	Right.
	On last Sunday's show, 24 minutes in, you were playing an Obama clip about broken travel and no travel ban.
	He used the phrase, with a disease in place.
	That term is commonly used when we are the one placing something, like troops in place.
	He made it sound like it was a strategy.
	And, of course, I pulled the clip.
	And let's have a listen to that.
	People do not readily disclose their information.
	They may engage in something called broken trap, essentially breaking up their trip so that they can hide the fact that they have been to one of these countries where there is a disease in place.
	As a result, we may end up getting less information.
	Do we have a disease in place yet?
	Wow.
	We missed that.
	Disease in place.
	And by the way, with the NSA and all these hot shots following us all around, how come they can't keep track of somebody traveling on an airplane, which is all public documents as far as I can tell?
	All I'm seeing is that the NSA is probably more interested in us than they are in actually doing what we thought they were supposed to be doing.
	Oh, yeah.
	I don't see how broken travel can take place in a surveillance state like this.
	I was watching persons of interest, which has got a very interesting perspective on this sort of surveillance state.
	And I have a clip that I think kind of summarizes both their snideness and also kind of maybe a truth.
	What's happened is that there's these two machines competing for control of the earth and they're trying to get information on somebody who is floating around and that's either somebody's trying to kill somebody or somebody's gonna get killed and they need to find as much information as they can and the two two of the principals of the show are discussing this including the guy who invented one of the machines.
	No evidence that she knew the election was fixed.
	Perhaps even she was unaware.
	Either way, she's working for the wrong side.
	We have to find something.
	Have you tried the NSA? We can't hack down, but we can go to the NSA sources, the back doors.
	I'll do Google.
	You take Yahoo.
	Go to the back doors, Batman.
	That's right.
	Google, you take Yahoo.
	That's pretty funny.
	That's pretty funny.
	I want to circle back to Ebola, but there was something I was reading from two different sources about the NSA. The extracurricular activity of the NSA is very interesting.
	Let's see.
	Of course we know that Kaiser Alexander left and started his own consulting company, but apparently he has hired on a part-time basis the current CTO of the NSA who works for Kaiser Alexander's Iron Net outfit 20 hours a week.
	What?
	Yeah.
	What?
	Yeah.
	It's ridiculous that you could do this.
	You think that's it?
	Hold on.
	Let me see.
	Current and former U.S. This is from Reuters.
	Current and former U.S. intelligence officials, some of whom requested anonymity, of course, to discuss personnel matters, said they could not recall a previous instance in which a high-ranking U.S. intelligence official was allowed to concurrently work for a private sector firm.
	Let's see.
	Dowd wanted to join IronNet.
	And the deal was devised as a way to keep Dow's technological expertise at least partly within the U.S. government, rather than losing in permanently to the private sector.
	Oh, see, this is what it is.
	Oh, this is great scam!
	Yeah, in order to attract, you know, this kind of high-quality talent, we have to...
	We have to make good deals with them.
	I wanted Pat to stay at the NSA. He wanted to come on board, Alexander said.
	He acknowledged the hybrid arrangement.
	It's awkward, but I felt that his leaving the government was the wrong thing for the NSA and our nation.
	Hey, you better go hire Iron Net, because these guys, they can spy on all of your competitors.
	Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
	And then there's this other woman.
	This is a much more extensive story.
	Her name is Shay.
	She's also at the NSA. Let me bring it up here.
	This was, surprisingly enough, this was a story from BuzzFeed, who once in a while have some real...
	Real reporting.
	Unless this is some kind of native ad.
	I don't know.
	Who knows?
	You can't trust them, really.
	This woman, her name is...
	She and her husband, Shay.
	Her husband, James Shay.
	What's her name?
	I'm looking for her name.
	Teresa.
	They have a company called SIGINT Consulting.
	And interestingly enough, SIG in consulting contracts with DRS Signal Solutions, which does contracting for the NSA. So she's working for the NSA and then, in a roundabout way, working for the NSA through a secondary contractor.
	The whole thing is ludicrous.
	And...
	You know, there's a huge distrust in government today.
	And this doesn't help.
	No, of course not.
	But think of, you know, our president is the chief executive.
	Think of the United States government, or any government, as a corporation.
	Any company over two employees sucks after a while.
	It's just true.
	Especially one that has hundreds of thousands.
	It sucks.
	And it becomes corrupt and it happens.
	It just happens.
	Quickly back to Ebola, just because I found a couple of things that I think will interest everybody.
	I did want to play, because we were talking about this on Sunday, I want to play a short clip from the man who I've lost all respect for, Ted Cruz, who jumped on the bandwagon, the politics of fear about the flight bans from countries that have no direct flights to the United States but do have Ebola.
	Look, there were no doubt...
	I'm sorry.
	Let me stop you.
	I'm not completely...
	I mean, I'm not a big Ted Cruz fan.
	I think he's creepy.
	I'm just creepy, and that's the reason I don't care much for him.
	But I think he has to do this because the Republicans have a litany, and this is it.
	I mean, like I said in the newsletter, if anyone got their newsletter, they should.
	You know, this is a part of the Republican strategy is to create the fear to get you to vote Republican, as opposed to the Democrat strategy, which is to create fear to get you to vote Democrat.
	Right.
	But I really hadn't caught him in doing anything like this.
	And now he's doing it.
	So like everybody, screw him, screw him.
	Look, there were no doubts, mistakes that were made up and down the line at the level of the hospital.
	I think it's also the sincerity with which he says it.
	You know, she's like...
	The health officials implementing the protocols.
	But I'll tell you, the biggest mistake that continues to be made is now, more than two weeks into this, we continue to allow open commercial air flights from countries that have been stricken by Ebola.
	That doesn't make any sense.
	We've got upwards of 150 people a day coming from countries with live, active Ebola outbreaks.
	For over two weeks, I've been calling on the administration to take the common-sense stand of suspending commercial air travel out of these countries until we get the air travel under control.
	And for whatever reason, the Obama White House doesn't want to do so.
	Yeah, okay.
	We have no flights from Africa.
	Let me see.
	I have here...
	What was interesting?
	Yes.
	On the BBC this morning, the CEO of GlaxoSmithKline, they are fast-tracking an Ebola vaccine.
	Oh!
	Which, so I didn't, I never really saw the announcement that said, yay!
	We've got it!
	We've discovered it!
	We've cracked it!
	I think that that's a total mistake.
	A huge PR opportunity.
	You know, it's just like, oh yeah, no, we got one, you know, huh?
	There should have been like champagne corks, you know, the president standing up, everyone, you know, the queen.
	Good job, chaps!
	I knew we had the technology!
	Now, none of that.
	Just, yeah, we're fast-tracking it, and we need indemnification, and we need money.
	GSK's chief executive, Sir Andrew Whitty, joins us from there now.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	Clearly, there are efforts going ahead to try to speed up the development of a vaccine.
	How quickly do you think, in ideal circumstances, could you get to the point where it really is available for widespread use?
	So, first of all, we're moving as fast as we possibly can.
	We should at GSK be in a position, if all goes well in the next few months, to have the initial vaccine doses available just before Christmas.
	Now, I think the right thing to do, and at least the current expectation, is that those initial doses will be used around healthcare workers in a clinical trial environment.
	Love to be a nurse there.
	Hey, try this one out.
	...to make sure we know exactly what the efficacy of this vaccine is.
	And then as we move into 2015, we've been in a position to quite rapidly expand the number of doses available as we go through the year.
	But I think we all need to recognize that this is an unprecedented pace of development.
	We're literally doing in maybe five or six months what would normally take five or six years.
	That sounds quite unbelievable.
	Sounds like bullcrap to me.
	Unprecedented.
	The Russians, by the way, also have three of these vaccines that they're working on, and that never gets discussed.
	And the Canadians say they've got one, and that never gets discussed.
	This whole scene is just media manipulation.
	I think the reason that you said Ebola's dropped off the news cycle, I think is because the...
	I know this is a little cynical, but I think that the Democrat-run corporate media...
	Media was told to get off it.
	Or realize that they're being used by the Republicans.
	I just want to...
	Hopefully we can finish it all up, but I do think I have...
	Let's just listen to this guy for a second.
	He runs a pretty big company.
	And then one more interesting clip that pertains to the U.S., and then we'll be done with it.
	As far as you're concerned, what guarantees do you need about indemnity funding?
	In the U.S., of course, we have indemnification for our pharma companies, for vaccines specifically.
	In the U.K., I guess not.
	I think these guys got burned somehow, although that doesn't sound like the truth to me, on the H1N1. Because...
	You lost a lot in the vaccine for bird flu.
	I think they didn't lose anything.
	They sold everything and just got thrown out, right?
	I'm not sure.
	Yeah, maybe.
	The stockpiling of Tamiflu because you weren't indemnified or you weren't...
	What guarantees do you need or do you want?
	Well, I think in the early phase, so for the phase I just described, we don't need any indemnities around that.
	But I think if...
	If and when a vaccine, particularly if a vaccine gets used in a broad way before all the normal trials have been undertaken, and if it's been used in, let's call it an unconventional environment without the normal healthcare controls, then I think it's reasonable that there should be some level of indemnification, because the vaccine's essentially been used in an emergency situation before we've all had the chance to confirm its absolute profile, and that's a situation where we'd look for some kind of indemnification.
	Now listen to what he's doing.
	This guy is cranking it up.
	He expects to sell this vaccine and lots of it.
	Either from governments or from multilateral agencies.
	And do you need those guarantees before this work will take place?
	Or is it going on anyway?
	No, we are doing everything.
	So all the work at GSK has started before anybody asked us to do anything.
	And I can tell you we've progressed very quickly in the last four months.
	In the vaccine technical development, I've already ordered five production lines to allow us to expand production as we go through the end of this year and into next year, and all of that's being done without any guarantee of any indemnification or any financing, because we know we are set with a potential vaccine, and we need to get on and make it available as fast as possible.
	Did you read the article that came...
	By the way, I have two clips I've got to run on this, too, before you kill this segment.
	Did you read the article about the nurse who came out and said that they're putting Ebola in vaccines, and that's how it really got started?
	Did you see that?
	The one in Ghana, yeah.
	The Red Cross has been giving it to everybody.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's had it in the show notes.
	I keep putting it in.
	We never talked about it.
	Yeah, we did, briefly.
	We did.
	We discussed the New York Times debunking the Ebola conspiracies.
	Oh, right.
	The New York Times debunking.
	Yeah.
	Because, you know, it's not science.
	Well, talking about Ebola conspiracies, I don't watch the show often.
	And when I do, I'm always just kind of flabbergasted that what appears to be a teenage kid has his own talk show.
	Oh, the Sinatra kid?
	Where he just reads notes.
	Yeah.
	But they put him on a track, and this is a good example, as a two-parter.
	They put him on a track to somehow make bats part of the discussion of how this Ebola got started, because patient zero, that little two-year-old, it's never really been fully explained how he got this disease in the first place.
	He'd be a likely candidate for a shot, if you think about it, at that age.
	Mm-hmm.
	But let's play these.
	He brings on an expert who has good creds, and the expert just kind of keeps drifting away from the point that Ronan wants to make.
	And Ronan has no skills.
	This is Ronan Sinatra on MSNBC. Yes, Ronan Sinatra.
	He can't...
	Pull the guy back on track.
	He just has to keep reading from his notes, and it's actually kind of pathetic to watch him work.
	But let's play Ronan Bats 1.
	...in contact with the virus through the process of butchering.
	It's something that we've looked at on the show.
	There's a growing body of literature that says that actually deforestation...
	Growing body of literature.
	What does that even mean?
	I think I have that in the morning.
	Growing body of literature.
	During my morning confessional, I have a growing body of literature flushing towards the Gulf of Mexico.
	I'm sorry, he says a lot of things like this.
	I'll be interrupting.
	No, we should be using that.
	Growing body of literature.
	Growing body of literature.
	In contact with the virus through the process of butchering.
	It's something that we've looked at on the show.
	There's a growing body of literature that says that actually deforestation and poverty that then drives people in newly deforested areas.
	Climate change, right?
	I guess.
	...includes the countries that are the origin points of this outbreak to eat bushmeat are at the heart of this.
	What policy changes need to be considered if we want to decouple that deforestation to Ebola link?
	Well, we have to recognize that hunting wildlife and eating bushmeat is certainly not unique to this area, and it's something that's done out of necessity.
	Oops.
	Other alternatives.
	So it's naive to impose, say, a policy that says stop hunting altogether.
	But I think we need to find ways to do it smarter and educate people to be safer about which animals they choose to hunt and also personal hygienic practices like hand washing when you're butchering animals that may reduce the risk of contracting a disease like Ebola or something else.
	Hey, Ooga Booga Booga!
	Hey, Ooga Booga!
	Did you bring the hand sanitizer?
	It's in a squeeze bottle, bub.
	So, uh...
	Listen, you stupid bushman!
	You need your hands...
	What is that stuff called?
	The hand sanitizer?
	Yeah, the goop.
	Did you bring the hand goop?
	I should show it.
	I wanted to show it.
	They have giant bottles, these huge coolers filled with chlorinated water that is used only to rinse off your hands.
	Purell.
	Purell.
	Thank you, chat room.
	Purell.
	If I laugh really loud with this post-Ebola...
	I get really lightheaded.
	Ooga booga!
	We're the poor owl!
	She's going to get nothing but nasty email.
	There's another reason we don't have suits.
	Anyway, is that the end of that clip?
	No, no, I'm sure there's 51 more seconds of pure goodness.
	Let's rock it.
	Tell us about the specifics of transmissibility from these bats.
	Transmissibility.
	This kid is too smart.
	And by the way, this guy debunks it immediately, which just throws his ronin for a loop.
	Oh, gosh.
	Is this just bushmeat, or is this also inadvertent contact of others?
	By the way, what does ronin know about bushmeat?
	Seriously.
	Well, it's interesting.
	In the case of Ebola, we actually don't have evidence of direct transmission from bats to people in this outbreak.
	In fact, we don't know which wildlife species may have been responsible for that first case.
	Oh, well, where's the producer of this show?
	I got...
	They got the wrong guy on.
	I'm telling you.
	Here's how the meeting went.
	Hey, John, I got an idea for the Ronin show.
	Yeah.
	Let's have this kid say bushmeat a lot.
	That'll be really funny.
	That'll be funny.
	But in past Ebola outbreaks, it's been primates, great apes, gorillas, or chimpanzees that have died from Ebola or been infected.
	And hunters will either kill these animals or collect already dead animals and then come in contact with bodily fluids.
	Just the same way this virus goes from person to person, it can go from an animal that's been infected or a dead animal that's been infected into a person.
	Presumably with bats, the process of butchering would put someone in contact with their bodily fluids.
	And if a bat were infected, a person could get exposed.
	So here's the other interesting facet of how prominent bats have become in the literature about Ebola right now.
	Yeah, you know what we have in Austin?
	Bats!
	Yeah, you got a lot of bats.
	Famous for bats.
	Well, here's the way I saw this thing.
	There's two things here that...
	Thank you for making me laugh, by the way.
	That really cleared up a lot of shit in me.
	That's good.
	Two things need comment.
	One is the naivete of the producers of MSNBC. They actually bought into the bat thesis...
	And assumed that when they bring an expert on he's just going to confirm it because everybody knows it's true.
	That's what it was.
	It was bats.
	And so the guy doesn't do that because these people are so stupid.
	I forgot what the other point was.
	That was the real main point I wanted to make, which is that there's assumptions that are made on these shows as to what the truth is.
	Well, this is exactly how it happens.
	These memes get out there and then, yeah, it's about the bats.
	Get a bat expert.
	Who are these producers?
	Look at the host!
	What's the producer going to be behind that?
	Come on.
	It's another dummy.
	We have more people listening to this show than watch the Sinatra Kid.
	Believe me.
	Well, here we go.
	So the Sinatra kid gets a little freaky, and he has to bring it back to bats, because obviously this whole thing was about bats.
	Well, they have all the graphics, the lower thirds.
	It's Halloween, John.
	Bats are perfect.
	It's the time of the season.
	That'll pack them in.
	Yeah.
	So here we go, part two.
	Drive this 30-person rapid response Ebola medical support team.
	That's true.
	Oh.
	I'm sorry, that was my clip.
	And I'm just so zonked out.
	Here's bats ronin, too.
	Sorry.
	There's some research into why they're immune to the virus.
	They're a reservoir for it.
	They carry it that's been tested and is known, but they don't exhibit symptoms more often than not.
	Explain that.
	So this has been a tremendous area of fascination for researchers looking at bat-borne viruses that seem to have deadly consequences when they get into people, but bats don't seem to be affected.
	Now, the truth is bats may be minimally affected, They don't exhibit signs of disease the way people do, and that's probably because of a long-term relationship.
	Yeah, because they're bats!
	They're not people!
	Wow!
	...that bats and these viruses have had over thousands and thousands of years, to the point where the virus and their immune system have come to an understanding.
	When a virus gets into a new species, like a person, with an immune system that's never seen that virus before, it can have really deadly consequences.
	So this is just a case of evolution that makes a virus more benign.
	So bats are able to carry it, and when it jumps species, it causes disease.
	And I know there's a lot of research going on right now to decode exactly what those evolutionary traits are.
	Wow.
	Really?
	There's a lot of research going on right now to decode exactly what those evolutionary traits are.
	Yeah.
	The kid may be a genius, but, you know, come on.
	I don't think that he's a genius.
	He's a genius at what?
	At passing tests.
	It causes disease.
	And I know there's a lot of research going on right now to decode exactly what those evolutionary traits are.
	Is it higher metabolism due to their ability to fly?
	And can any of those lessons be extracted for human treatment?
	That's right.
	We know so little about the bat immune system or bat physiology.
	It's Doogie Howser.
	This kid.
	Okay.
	Onward.
	Yeah, so my two clips, one is this rapid response team, Ebola rapid response team that the Department of Defense is putting together, which begs a very obvious question.
	And that question is?
	Well, are you going to deploy a military team for an Ebola emergency inside the United States?
	Okay.
	We have something that kind of...
	I thought that was overturned in the military authorization bill.
	Posse commentatus?
	I think you can do that now.
	I mean, you can't by the Constitution, but nobody has sued over the possibility.
	Well, here's the question that was posed to Rear Admiral Kirby, who has this...
	He talks out of the side of his mouth.
	This is Kirby, the guy you don't like.
	Not at all.
	No, I don't like him at all.
	The guy who Matt Lee slapped down.
	Viciously.
	Matt Lee slabs him viciously.
	Which was an excellent little number he did on him.
	And he just has a permanent smug smile.
	I don't like him at all.
	I can't think of this guy's face.
	I'm going to look him up while you play this clip.
	It's Kirby.
	What's his first name?
	I think it's John Kirby?
	Is it James Kirby?
	No.
	Is it Admiral or General?
	Rear Admiral Kirby.
	I'll just look up Admiral Kirby.
	This 30-person rapid response Ebola medical support team, I guess, better late than never, and also how it will help prevent and protect in this country.
	Well, this team is going to be on what we call prepare-to-deploy orders.
	There are about 20 nurses, five infectious disease experts, and five trainers.
	They're going to get down to Texas for some training this week so that they have all the protocols in place and they know what to do in the preparation.
	Seems like Texas, where they don't know how to do it.
	Why would you send them to Texas to train?
	This is where we mess everything up.
	And then they're going to be put on this preparation.
	I was just going to say, I would advise people out there to look up Admiral Kirby and then hit images on Google search and look at images of this guy.
	Holy crap!
	What a douchebag!
	Yeah, he's a total douche knuckle.
	Yeah, he's got all that fruit salad and everything.
	This is the guy who said, I barely got a history in the University of South Florida.
	I don't know about the history of Russia.
	He's got kind of a British smile.
	Kind of the missing upper lip.
	He looks like a yes man.
	These pictures are unbelievable.
	This guy's just clownish.
	Anyway, go on.
	They have all the protocols in place and they know what to do in the preparations.
	And then they're going to be put on this prepare to deploy order status where they can be ready in about 72 hours.
	That period will last for 30 days.
	So we'll be on that ready status for about 30 days to go assist civilian medical authorities anywhere in the country that might need them.
	Admiral, it's Richard Haass.
	Can you explain how is it possible legally for U.S. armed forces to take on the sort of role you're describing within the United States, given the so-called posse comitatus rules and what they're allowed to do within our territory?
	Sure.
	We actually do have the legal authorities to do this.
	This isn't going to violate posse comitatus, which is a law enforcement role.
	This is nothing more than potential support, and I stress potential support to civilian medical authorities if and only if they ask for that.
	But there's no violation of posse comitatus.
	The Northern Command commander has the authorities that he needs to get this team ready to go.
	Not that he answered the question, but he just said, shut up, man, we have the legal authority, but only as a potential and to play a medical assistance role, not in a policing role or something like that.
	It's fine.
	It's a way to get troops on the street.
	So people get used to it.
	Not that they look any different from the cops.
	You can't tell the difference nowadays.
	Write this down in the book, if you don't mind.
	I'd like to, even though it may be over here, and of course it had to be over here, we had to end this.
	I'm surprised I thought it would end after the election, but this Ron Klain guy, the Ebola toupee, He really pulled it off very quick.
	I'm going to put Gabon on the map for an Ebola strike.
	Gabon, which is on the west side.
	Shell has just hit it big in some gas there.
	So I just wanted to see if we can find a correlation.
	So put that on the map and let's see if Gabon gets some Ebola.
	Let me get the yellow highlighter.
	So as far as I know, they have no Ebola right now.
	Yeah.
	And they just may be on deck to get some Ebola.
	And some Ebola help.
	I want to make sure.
	And then maybe just we'll wrap it up with this nice little USA Today report.
	Because, you know, when USA Today has the report, then it's kind of a general, all clear.
	You know, it's like...
	It's okay, citizens.
	Ebola is over.
	You may resume normal activity.
	Wednesday marks the first official day on the job for Ron Klain, the new Ebola-zar.
	His hair started two days earlier.
	Klain will head up the government's effort against the deadly virus both at home and in West Africa.
	Klain's work begins as an NBC freelance cameraman leaves the Nebraska Medical Center after testing negative for the virus.
	On social media, he wrote, the knowledge that there's no more virus in my blood is a profound relief.
	I'm so lucky.
	It's interesting...
	How this is put.
	There's no more virus in my blood.
	And the nurse...
	Everyone's saying this the same way.
	Yeah, this is a meme they've been saying about the nurse.
	Yeah, why is that?
	What am I missing?
	I think...
	Virus-free, but virus in my blood?
	I don't get it.
	I think...
	This is a little crackpot-y, but I think it's to try to make it kind of commonplace that once you're through with the Ebola, in other words, you don't have anything in your blood that would indicate you ever had Ebola, so no one could ever prove that you did or didn't because they never did in the first place.
	You know what?
	I'm totally there with you.
	Makes sense.
	In this case.
	It makes sense.
	Wish everyone who got sick could feel like this.
	Also good news for Dallas nurse Nina Pham, the first to contract Ebola while caring for Thomas Eric Duncan.
	She's now been upgraded to good condition.
	The chief clinical officer at Texas Presbyterian Hospital, where Pham worked, sat down with CNN and admits the hospital, quote, fell short in their treatment of Duncan.
	We missed a diagnosis on the 25th and 26th, and we've said over and again that that's something that we deeply regret and wish we could have hit the diagnosis right then.
	Meanwhile, the Department of Homeland Security announced anyone traveling from the Ebola-plagued areas of Liberia Can you stop and back it up?
	Sure.
	To what part?
	To the part before they name the...
	Before they start talking about the airport, which is a little bit back.
	It's about...
	The Department of Homeland Security announced anyone traveling from the Ebola-plagued areas of Liberia, Guinea, or Sierra...
	They're earlier.
	No, that's good.
	Yeah.
	You want this?
	Do you want to play that again?
	I just thought they said something they didn't say.
	Security announced anyone traveling from the Ebola-plagued areas of Liberia...
	Okay, fine.
	We don't have to hear it again.
	Well, it's fine.
	It's all good, everybody.
	All clear.
	Ebola is over.
	And, you know, if I weren't so cynical...
	You know, I think this, uh, this, uh, Scandinavia thing, if not, um, let's just put it this way.
	The coverage certainly is completely overblown and welcome to the party, Scandinavia.
	Did you see the front newspaper, the front covers of all front pages of all the, uh, the newspapers?
	Terror on the hill.
	They attack us.
	We will not stand down.
	Oh my goodness.
	Some maniac with a gun.
	One guy.
	Before we go there though, John, I'm just the timekeeper here.
	I would like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	Well, in the morning to you, too, I want to say.
	In the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	In the morning to all ships that see boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and all the knights out there.
	And in the morning to all of our human resources, who I think now are able to check in at nagradio.com, noagendastream.com.
	Thanks for all being here, noagendachat.net, of course, and our artists.
	Brian Tweed brought us the artwork for 662.
	Again, a lot of submissions.
	And I just wanted to, regarding the submissions, try not to, or try to, if you're going to put letters or words in the art, make it big.
	You can't put little thought balloons and stuff.
	It really rarely works because I have to shrink some of that stuff down at least by 50% in order to get it into the album art.
	But boy, do we love some of the work that is being done for us.
	I will say that this is true.
	So we got a couple of outstanding donations.
	Did you get a letter from...
	Because there's no letter that came with this donation from Matthew Elwart.
	I'll check.
	I meant to do this earlier and I forgot all about it.
	Yeah, I think I have it here.
	There's a portion not to read on the air and a portion for on the air.
	He wanted to send a longhand note.
	Okay.
	Let me go back to the spreadsheet.
	And Matthew Elwart is the top donor at 66666, which is interesting because he beat Anonymous in Alfreda, Georgia, who donated 66600.
	Which I find to be quite amusing.
	Okay, let me get to the note.
	This is Matthew Elward in San Antonio, which is, as you know...
	Just down the road.
	Yep, just down the road.
	This is like a short five-hour drive.
	Big state.
	Big state.
	Yeah.
	Congratulations on your seventh anniversary.
	In addition to being the show anniversary, it's also my 30th birthday.
	If you don't know this, you've got to get your pen out.
	Okay.
	Pen is out, which consists of this modern thing called a computer.
	And I'm going to put him on the birthday list.
	It's going to be 30.
	Yep.
	I've been listening to the show for over three years now and I've been a major douchebag who never donated.
	I like douchebags who never donated and come in right away big with 66666.
	For sure.
	I am ashamed of my douchebaggery and hope to redeem myself with this beast donation and future donations.
	Your show has made my commute easier.
	And time at work much more interesting and entertaining.
	It's about time I give you value for value back, the value for value that I've received.
	Your recent shows analyzing and deconstructing the Ebola nonsense and ISIL fear-mongering has been outstanding!
	Actually, let me see the way he said it.
	Has been outstanding!
	From listening to your show, I opened my eyes to just how corrupt the media is, and with your recent revelation regarding the repeal of Smith Munt, I now cannot help but laugh at much of the news I get from the mainstream media.
	I agree with Adam.
	Show me the ISIL beheading videos and the people with Ebola bleeding out of their eyes, ears, and mouth.
	If the media can show us the dead Palestinian children, surely we can handle a beheading, a real one, and Ebola patients.
	Keep up the great work, and here is to another seven years.
	I'd like to give myself a birthday shoutout and let me get Obama when the world needs a rescue mission.
	That's a story followed by LGY and some job hunting karma for the coming months, please.
	Boy, we're a bunch of guys here.
	I'm hoarse.
	You're...
	I'm congested.
	I have phlegm.
	Phlegm!
	Hey, this is a very nice way to show your support for the show, Matthew.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	And I think he celebrates his birthday on the same day that we have our anniversary, but he wants to call out for today, right?
	It doesn't say specifically, but we can call him up for today.
	We'll do it for sure.
	If there's a need for a rescue mission, when the world is threatened, the world needs help, it calls on America.
	And that's the story.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	A little LGY you didn't leave.
	Did you not hear her go yay?
	Oh, no, I didn't.
	Oh, well, because it's kind of baked into the same one.
	Okay.
	Well, hold on.
	Yay!
	There you go.
	Sorry.
	Anonymous from Alfreda, Georgia, 666.00, which is nice.
	I don't have anything prophetic to say at this time.
	Well, I do, but it would be too long to read.
	How about some good karma, just like Satya Nadella says we should all have?
	The Microsoft CEO. That's you, women.
	Yeah.
	Hey, women, enjoy that karma.
	Yeah, it doesn't pay the bills, but it makes you feel good.
	How come no one says that we should boycott Windows?
	I've always said that.
	His comments have been a result of his religious beliefs.
	Is a religion a protected class in the U.S.C.? If I don't cut it off, I could ramble on forever.
	P.S., the No Agenda Book Club link doesn't work on your donation confirmation page.
	Oh.
	You control that one, don't you?
	I do.
	I'll have to fix it.
	Okay.
	Some karma, of course.
	Here goes.
	You've got karma.
	Oh, it's very cool.
	Yeah.
	Every time you clear your throat, I'm waiting to hear, bullshit!
	I know.
	I'll hit the cough button.
	The cough button?
	Yeah, let me test it.
	Did it work?
	Yeah, it worked.
	I didn't hear a thing.
	Did you do something?
	Yeah, I hit the cough button.
	Huh.
	Yeah.
	Jan Leclerc in Luxembourg.
	3, 4, 5, 6, 7, one of my all-time favorite donation numbers.
	Long-time boner, first-time donor, proud to contribute to the best podcast in the universe.
	I sure must look stupid walking around town with a grin from ear to ear while listening to the show.
	You know, that's going to be illegal pretty soon.
	The police will be on the lookout.
	Yeah, don't smile.
	Oh yeah, don't smile.
	Remember that one guy that was by the...
	There was some marathon or something.
	Some guy's just standing there with a dumb look on his face and they arrested him.
	Oh yeah, and that was in London.
	A couple years ago.
	Yeah, but he had autism or something?
	Yeah.
	Hey, wipe that goofy grin off your face, slave.
	Or either they already told him to smile and he didn't.
	One of the two.
	Love the deconstruction, but what I love most are Adam's and John's life experiences.
	Please give a, if you see something, say something, and an LGY karma.
	I'm also passing exam karma and finding a housing prize.
	They're unbelievable here.
	In Luxembourg, that's interesting.
	Luxembourg, banking heaven.
	Yeah, there you go.
	That's what happens when the bankers take over.
	That's where all the elites live.
	If you see something, say something.
	Yay!
	You've got karma.
	All right, now, I've got a lot of notes.
	Oh, that's horrible, because if anyone is not good in coordinating stuff...
	Well, I've got it figured out here.
	Here is the note, I believe, from...
	And her head is gone.
	Yes.
	Rob and Andrea Shaggin or Chaggin?
	Shaggin.
	Shaggin.
	They'd be Shaggin.
	Shaggin.
	I don't know.
	It's hard to say.
	They'd be Shaggin.
	3333 from Norwalk, Connecticut.
	And a long handwritten note.
	I have to get my...
	I don't have it.
	Damn it.
	Where did the thing go?
	There it is.
	My reading glasses.
	The something.
	I think I need a lozenge.
	No clearer names from me, but I will write a note in longhand.
	Thanks.
	Yes, it's a nice penmanship, but it's kind of a funky style.
	I've been thinking about...
	How I can make a special donation in honor of seven years of the best podcast in the universe.
	A great show to listen to while driving my commute.
	Perfect.
	And six craigs of cable.
	Don't know what that means.
	Who but us in the month.
	Whose birthday is November 9th.
	Sue?
	Is it maybe Sue?
	Let me look at this.
	This is one of the worst readings you've ever done, Poetry John.
	You know, I'm beginning to think I'm turning into a millennial.
	I can barely read longhand now.
	I've been writing weeks to make the following donation, 3333, waiting weeks, 33333.
	I propose to become the first member of the.5 club.
	Show 666 divided by 2 is 333.
	Perhaps producers will find it easier to become a.5 member.
	Love your show.
	Something together.
	Lures together, looks together, something.
	Loves together.
	Rob and Sandra.
	I'm going to clip this and send this to you, and you should put it right near your podcast award.
	Anyway, she goes on.
	There's a birthday involved in here.
	And I believe it's happy birthday, Sir Craig of Cable.
	Wow, none of this is on my list.
	How could it be?
	Well, it's called administration.
	Well, you know, I'm trying to get notes written down.
	Give me the details, Sir Craig of Cable.
	On November 9th.
	And then I have to turn this over, this note thing over, and then now at an angle it's written to finish me.
	Sorry to write so early something out of the blah, blah, blah.
	Anyway, okay.
	That was Andre, I believe.
	Anyway, so I think it's Sir Craig of Cable.
	Oh, he's the guy who hit them in the mouth.
	Okay.
	Sorry, I mean, I can do that.
	Yes, yes, you should be sorry.
	You have wasted everyone's time.
	Sir Gene Natuliev in Austin, Texas, 23456.
	Baron de Marriott, Sheriff of Texas.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	In celebration of my friend Eric's Kickstarter, found at bit.ly dot slash dm1 dot dash n a, all lowercase, b-i-t dot l, slash, what is it?
	Oh, this thing is beautiful.
	What is it?
	It's a, so I've put the link in the show notes.
	A decadent, minimalist, Precision-crafted wallet machined from a single billet of aircraft-grade aluminum.
	Oh, nice.
	That's very cool.
	Natulia is asking for karma for the Kickstarter and let the No Agenda fans have a special N.A. option.
	Please play the In the Morning clip.
	The In the Morning clip?
	Just In the Morning.
	Just In the Morning?
	That's all it was?
	In the morning!
	And some karma for the Kickstarter.
	Well, obviously.
	So what he said, now I know what he's talking about.
	He was teasing me.
	Of course, I'm dying from Ebola.
	Ebola.
	He sent me a picture of this.
	I couldn't figure out what it was, but it said no agenda on it in the morning.
	And now I know what it is.
	It's a credit card holder.
	Oh, nice.
	And it would be, since it's aluminum, it would be RF... RFID resistant?
	It would be RF protected.
	I don't know if it's certified as a Faraday cage, but it's very pretty.
	I guarantee you can't get through it.
	There's no way that it's going to be able to pull it out of there.
	Bit.ly slash DM1-NA. Link in the show notes.
	Thank you very much, Sir Gene.
	Here's your karma.
	And a little karma for the Kickstarter, of course.
	You've got karma.
	Crown Underwood, 201-22.
	The show's magnificent.
	I hope to give you some value for value.
	I received from the best podcast in the universe.
	The donation is the sum of two previous donations made a few months ago, 77-77 and 1-2-3-4-5.
	Keep up the good work and I will keep the value for value model alive.
	Alive!
	Lovely.
	Thank you.
	He didn't ask for any karma or anything.
	I'm going to give it to him anyway.
	I don't care.
	Take it.
	You've got karma.
	You'll take the karma!
	And you'll like it!
	Mysterian Entertainment.
	200 bucks from Los Angeles, California.
	On show 659, Adam read my note with a surfer voice.
	Oddly before my donation was a donation from Mulfreesboro, Tennessee in 1998.
	I once purchased oddly vintage and still shrink-wrapped Star Trek trading cards.
	Okay.
	From the Davis Market, where there's purportedly the center of the universe, the Davis Market.
	Link about the market at the end of the note.
	The legend is if you buy something there, you end up dying in Murphysboro.
	Hey!
	Bonus!
	Okay.
	On the same trip, I went to a New Age bookstore that was selling a children's book about dealing with UFO presence.
	I regret that I never bought it as the illustrations were incredibly...
	We're incredible.
	With pictures of children playing on a playground and alien greys observing in the background.
	The store was run by, which I think is true, in Murfreesboro.
	Yeah.
	The store was run by Mark Davenport and he wrote a book about UFOs.
	He goes on.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, I thought it was a symbolic occurrence in show 659 and felt that I had to become a producer so Adam becomes aware of the Davis Market.
	Yeah, I'm not going to purchase anything there.
	Davis Market.
	I think I need to go purchase something now.
	He would like karma for his board game, Zoneplex.
	Kickstarter in his final week.
	Read about Davis Market here, and he's got some links, and he's happy now.
	He's one-third of the way to nighthood.
	And he wants some karma for me, of course.
	You will obey.
	You've got karma.
	A little extra.
	Obey karma.
	All right, now I have another handwritten note.
	No.
	All right, everybody.
	Everybody's looking forward to this.
	Brew some coffee.
	This is Danielle.
	It looks like Geary's.
	Is it G-E-R-I-E-S? I don't know.
	I can't read over your shoulder today, John.
	No, it's right there on the number nine line.
	And she's in weed with her husband.
	And I think she actually sent in two checks that seemed to, I think, supposed to add up to 200 bucks, but actually added up to 199 something or something like that.
	Alright, I got a penny.
	No problem.
	I'll throw that in.
	Whatever it is.
	Now, you need your pen out again because there's another birthday going on here.
	I'm proud to make my first donation to the best podcast in the universe.
	This is written in kind of hybrid, so I can read it easier.
	I guess you could say my fiancé hit himself in the mouth from listening to John's DH Unplugged.
	He found his way to no agenda.
	He promptly hit me in the mouth, and we thoroughly enjoy our weekly...
	It's twice weekly, by the way.
	No agenda time.
	Keep it up.
	So if you could...
	Wish a no-agenda happy birthday to my fiancé, Jeff, and send him some karma and a little girl shut-up slave.
	I greatly appreciate it.
	And she says, Danielle from weed, and yes, I've never smoked weed, honestly.
	It stinks.
	Yeah, but did you send us a picture?
	No picture.
	That's okay.
	Well, thank you very much.
	And that's a lovely, lovely way to say I love you.
	Yes, I agree with that.
	That's a lovely way to say I love you.
	Thank you very much for the support of the show.
	Shut up, Sway!
	You've got karma.
	And that will be our donation producership segment for show 663.
	And three shows from now, 666-666.
	And I want to remind people to go to dvorak.org.
	And by the way, if you donate 666, you get two producerships.
	Six.
	666.
	The show producership for the show that you donated for, and then 666.
	Go to devorek.org slash na, channel devorek.com slash na.
	Also, the No Agenda Show page and No Agenda Nation page has a link you can click on, and I believe so does the show notes page, if I'm not mistaken.
	Please help us for Sunday, which is a short week, kind of a short couple days.
	And then I have three notes in the PR section of the show notes.
	So one, of course, is the Wallet Kickstarter that Sir Gene gave karma for.
	Then we have Twin Engine No Agenda Coffee.
	Did you see this?
	Did you taste it, actually?
	Did you try it out?
	I never got any Twin Engine No Agenda Coffee.
	Really?
	Oh.
	I tried it out.
	It was quite tasty, actually.
	I know there's a guy in Detroit that makes a good...
	We have about five or six coffee makers or coffee roasters out there that are independent.
	Well, this is Twin Engine Coffee.
	Put them all down.
	Okay, go on.
	TwinEngineCoffee.com slash noagenda.
	And they have a number of promotions going on.
	And let's see.
	Send a bag of Adam's...
	They're kind of whoring us out here.
	Send a bag of Adam's favorite coffee directly to him by selecting this option.
	What do you do, dude?
	Soliciting coffee?
	I don't know.
	Well, send a bag of John's favorite coffee directly to him by selecting this option.
	Hey, I like a lot of Sumatra in my blend, okay?
	Well, anyway.
	In the morning, proceeds from your purchase on this page go to support the best podcast in the universe.
	Okay.
	Oh, that's fine.
	That sounds good.
	Yeah, it sounds very good.
	I just don't like my picture being used.
	Your picture looks bad?
	Well, it's just...
	Let me see.
	What was the URL again?
	I got to see this.
	Well, you wait until you see your picture.
	I'm even worse?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, send in some pictures to the guy so he has better pictures to post.
	So my picture has got to be from...
	No, no, no.
	This is from, I think, 2003.
	Well, what's the URL again?
	Twinenginecoffee.com.
	Okay.
	Slash no agenda.
	And you have this look on your face like, yeah, I said that about the mouse.
	And I have a swarmy...
	I don't know.
	What was the big fuss about the mouse?
	What's a mouse?
	I'm wearing a tan jacket with an orange t-shirt.
	It's horrible.
	Our coffee's about us.
	Special interests.
	It's from Nicaragua.
	They make a decent coffee down there.
	That's a good coffee.
	Now where did you find this page with our pictures?
	Slash no agenda.
	Okay.
	While you are figuring out the web, I shall continue.
	Then we also have a link towards Ramsey Cain's tutorial on printing out and framing the No Agenda artwork to look really nifty, which is my new word of the day.
	Nifty.
	Instead of saying awesome today, I would like everyone to try nifty.
	Wow, that's nifty!
	You can use it in so many ways.
	She's nifty.
	Or, that's a nifty outfit you have on.
	Just use it instead of awesome today.
	Would you try that, people?
	2003, I think your picture's from 1993.
	And as John said, please remember us for our Sunday show.
	Of course, we always like you to go out there and do the one thing that seems to bring people in to support us.
	Propagate the formula!
	Our formula is this.
	We go out...
	We'll hit people in the mouth.
	Fear is freedom!
	Subjugation is liberation Contradiction is truth Those are the facts of this world And you will all surrender to them You pigs in human clothes It was worth it It was worth it.
	There we go.
	How could it be worth it?
	This baffles me.
	Well, if I had gotten my flu shot, I wouldn't be...
	You don't know that.
	It's only 75% effective, A. Who knows if it was the flu, B. And if you got the flu shot, why would you walk away from a shot saying it was worth it?
	You didn't...
	Dodge a bullet.
	It wasn't like you bought some protective armor and somebody shot at you.
	And after the fact, you said, well, I spent thousands of dollars for this Kevlar vest and it was worth it because then it would have been worth it.
	Listen, listen, man.
	While you're talking about speech, I should have busted you on saying that you were eating a craisin.
	The more I think about it, that is so uncool.
	Did you even stop yourself and think, oh my god, did I just say I'm eating a craisin?
	There's no such thing as a craisin.
	It's a raisin, but because it's a cranberry, it's a craisin, and you actually called it a craisin?
	Did it take you that long?
	Was that in your craw?
	It stuck with me, yes.
	Apparently.
	Because I thought, you know, Dvorak would have jumped down my throat if I had said I was eating a crazin.
	You'd go, whoa, I'm eating a crazin!
	It's not a raisin, it's a crazin!
	I can't even do it.
	I wish you could do it about yourself.
	It would be funny.
	I'm sorry I said it.
	Do you have the harmonica?
	I have a harmonica.
	Can you give me something sad?
	I'd like to do a reading.
	I'd like to do a reading.
	Oh, okay.
	From Hunter S. Thompson.
	I'd like a little accompaniment, if possible.
	Sorry, I'll give you a little bit.
	Okay.
	You hit it.
	This is from September 12, 2001.
	Hunter S. Thompson wrote, The towers are now gone, reduced to bloody rubble, along with all hopes for peace in our time, in the U.S. or any other country.
	Make no mistake about it.
	We are at war now.
	With somebody.
	And we will stay at war with that strange and mysterious enemy for the rest of our lives.
	It will be a religious war.
	A sort of Christian jihad fueled by religious hatred and led by merciless fanatics on both sides.
	It will be guerilla warfare on a global scale with no front lines and no identifiable enemy.
	This is going to be an expensive war and victory is not guaranteed for anyone and certainly not for a baffled little creep like George W. Bush.
	All he knows is that his father started a war a long time ago and that he, the goofy child president, has been chosen by fate and the global oil industry to finish it off.
	Beautiful.
	And there you have it.
	And he was so right!
	And I'd like to welcome Scandinavia once again to the party.
	Welcome, people!
	Woohoo!
	And it's interesting, I know very little about Canada.
	I think I'm just not qualified at all to say much about it.
	But we have, of course, a global intelligence network.
	So many really fantastic notes that came in.
	And Jay Wall, I really wanted to read his note.
	He's a Scandinavian, of course.
	And he says, you know, there's so many...
	Actually, now that it's actually quite a long note, but there's so many coincidences, so many things that make so much sense for this to be happening right now.
	Mainly the resistance that Harper has been facing in the House of Commons over Canada's military involvement in the coalition.
	They really needed this to kickstart everything and to have this guy now be linked to ISIL, recently converted to And the whole thing is just...
	Well, I have a couple of intro clips.
	Okay, good.
	That's a good idea.
	Your little thing.
	Yeah.
	And let's...
	There's two of them, actually.
	I have the PBS NewsHour, Attack on Canada, WTF clip.
	And then I have the short part two of that.
	Then I have the...
	I think the better clip is CBS. The official...
	I think which is more official mouthpiece than ABC because I think they try harder.
	Well, which one do you want me to play?
	Well, if you want to start with PBS Attacking Canada and then you play the second part, you can shorten that if you want to.
	Chaos came to the heart of Canada's capital city today.
	A rare mass shooting left one soldier and a gunman dead and two people wounded.
	Mass shooting.
	It also triggered a day of high drama that included unconfirmed reports of multiple attackers and speculation about whether a terror group was involved.
	Mass shooting.
	Just for a frame of reference, Brian the Gate Crusader, who lives in Chicago, he said, I just want you to know that there were more people shot and killed in Chicago the same night than were shot and killed in Ottawa.
	Yeah, in a mass shooting.
	Yeah, the mass shooting was in Chicago.
	Zero coverage.
	Now here they go on and on about this thing.
	Here's part two of that clip.
	At 9.52 a.m.
	this morning, the auto police service received multiple 911 calls regarding a shooting at the National War Memorial.
	Witnesses to that initial incident at the memorial site say a man dressed all in black with a rifle gunned down one of the honor guard.
	From there, they say, he ran toward the main parliament building a short distance away in central Ottawa, Within moments, more shooting erupted.
	Police and soldiers quickly descended on the building with weapons drawn.
	Video taken by a Globe and Mail newspaper reporter captured the sound of gunfire echoing down the halls.
	I hear this pop, pop, pop.
	Possibly ten shots.
	Don't really know.
	Thought it was dynamite rather than, or construction rather than anything else.
	Suddenly the security guards come rushing down the hallways.
	Usher is all out to the back of the parliament buildings.
	A cabinet minister said the shooter ran right past the room where Prime Minister Stephen Harper was addressing lawmakers.
	Harper was hustled away and the building was locked down.
	Ottawa police confirmed later the gunman was shot and killed.
	But a search of the area continued through the afternoon.
	So they take it to an extreme here with CBS. And this is, by the way, short.
	They went on and on with this clip.
	And I actually started kind of in the middle when they bring on Peter Mansbridge, who is a guy that is beyond me why they haven't brought this.
	He's the main anchorman for CBC News.
	And it's always baffled me, because Peter Jennings used to be a Canadian, why they haven't brought this guy.
	Until he's dead, then he was no longer a Canadian.
	Well, that was the end of the day.
	Dead Canadian.
	But they brought...
	Peter Mansfield should be one of the anchors on the big three networks, and I don't know why they won't pay him enough money, or he just hates the United States.
	I don't know what it is, but he is the absolute...
	He's a Walter Cronkite level of authority.
	He's great.
	And here's Scott Kelly talking to him and then discussing some of the crap about this bullcrap story.
	Into the Parliament buildings and then heading up, you know, some time before they stopped him.
	This is a new kind of event for Canada, and I wonder if you could give us a sense in the...
	A new kind of event?
	One guy got shot.
	What's the new kind of event?
	These early hours of the...
	Canada, I hope you see what's happening.
	It's about time you got some of this medicine, by the way.
	We have to deal with it all the time down here.
	This is...
	It is so obvious that this is a media hype of the situation.
	Yeah, of course, it sucks.
	No one wants to get shot.
	We're standing guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
	It's pretty symbolic, don't you think?
	But I didn't hear any jihad, no letters, no nothing left around.
	Well, CBS changes that narrative.
	Oh, thank you.
	National mood.
	A lot of people, coast to coast to coast, are obviously in shock because of this.
	We have people crying in the streets on the west coast on Vancouver Island at this news.
	Because it strikes so close to home in the sense of...
	Two major national symbols where something like this has occurred and people just said, you know, this is Canada.
	This doesn't happen in Canada.
	Well, today it happened in Canada and the consequences going forward now are still to be determined.
	Peter Mensbridge, chief correspondent and anchor of the CBC. Thank you so much.
	Hey, man up, Canada!
	You know, by the way, I've never seen Peter Mansbridge used as a correspondent in any U.S. show.
	I mean, maybe I just missed it.
	But it seems to me that this was his audition.
	Oh, they were crying in Vancouver.
	What?
	Did it have a lower third?
	Crying in Vancouver.
	That's a good report name.
	Dossier, Crying in Vancouver.
	The cougar from Vancouver is crying in Vancouver.
	After the attack today, NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defense Command, went on a heightened state of alert.
	NORAD went on high alert?
	Yes, we could have jihadis, flying jihadis.
	Those are the same guys who track Santa, I will point out.
	Maybe we're wasting the taxpayers' money on this bullcrap?
	We're on high alert in America.
	I'm reading right now, Peter King is on CNN. FBI field office is on alert.
	We're on jihadi alert.
	This is perfect.
	Ebola, backburner.
	We've backburned Ebola.
	Thank you, Canada, for letting us also make use of this.
	Because, you know, you're still North America.
	So if we've got crazy Islamist bearded Fs shooting up guards and national symbols, we must be afraid, people!
	You know, it would be so easy.
	We could change all of our lives.
	It would be so easy.
	Here's what you do.
	Do you think every household has a hammer, John?
	Every household has got to have a hammer, right?
	Just a hammer.
	I would hope.
	Just take the hammer.
	We should have National Hammer Day.
	And just go smash your television into bits.
	It could be fun.
	Have the kids play along.
	Smash, smash, smash.
	Smash, smash, smash.
	I mean, you'll still have the stuff infiltrating through BuzzFeed and, you know, whatever else is out there, but...
	You just gotta turn it off.
	I have a jingle for that somewhere, don't I? I forget where that is.
	We don't play it enough.
	Well, fail.
	Alright, play the rest of this clip and you'll hear some more bull crap.
	And since Canada's National War Memorial was a target, security was beefed up at Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia.
	The cemetery!
	Protect the dead!
	Arlington because of this thing in Canada?
	Those jihadists are now attacking our dead people!
	They're killing dead people!
	Wow, this is a good clip, John.
	I like it.
	Here is what President Obama had to say today.
	Now, you know when the President comes out and says something, it's part of the message.
	Obviously, we're all shaken by it.
	We're all shaken by it.
	We're going to do everything we can to make sure that we're standing by the murders in Chicago that take place constantly.
	Where he just was.
	He was just there in Chicago on a little fundraiser.
	Also in Washington, our Homeland Security correspondent Bob Orr is following the investigation.
	What?
	It's a difficult time.
	It's a very difficult time right now, John, because we're all shaken by the script that is unfolding, the narrative, the visuals, the fear, the pornographic fear that is being shoved down our throats and be afraid.
	Cower in the corner, shelter in place, be vigilant.
	You're being played, people.
	You're being played.
	Investigation, Bob, what do you know?
	Scott, law enforcement sources tell us there is no intelligence at this point suggesting the shootings today in Ottawa are connected in any way to a broader plot or to any threat against the U.S. homeland.
	End the story.
	No, that's no good.
	That's just to make them so they're not culpable.
	Hey, we said there was no connection.
	Now, let's go back to the fear.
	The FBI and intelligence agencies, of course, are in touch with their Canadian counterparts, and they're all still working to pin down a motive for the shootings.
	Now, we're told that some of the evidence suggests the attack...
	They hate our freedom!
	They don't need a motive, I can tell you right now, they hate our freedom!
	...may have some kind of domestic link, but investigators have not ruled out at the same time the possibility, the real possibility, that the gunman may have been inspired by terrorists.
	Terror groups have called on sympathizers to attack soldiers, police, and other Western targets essentially wherever and whenever possible.
	In fact, it's already happened.
	That deliberate hit-and-run that killed the Canadian soldier near Montreal earlier in the week was clearly a terrorist act carried out by one radicalized man who struck out on behalf of ISIS. With U.S. airstrikes continuing now against Islamic State targets in Iraq and Syria, the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are out, warning local police to be on guard, potentially, for more retaliatory attacks by lone wolves.
	Attacks, Scott, that could look very much like what we've already seen in Canada.
	Bob Orr in our Washington newsroom.
	Excellent report, guys.
	Excellent.
	Good work.
	Excellent.
	Not founded in any kind of reality or truth, except for the one line that you had to put in there so that we couldn't take your journalist license away.
	Oh, boy.
	MSNBC was live on the air when this happened.
	They, of course, brought in their top team, as usual, to report...
	Top men.
	Top men to report live on what was going on in Canada.
	Chloe, let me go to you first.
	What's the latest tonight in Iowa?
	Well, in Ottawa.
	What?
	What?
	Wait a minute.
	Can this guy say Iowa?
	He said Iowa.
	Oh, no.
	Listen to it again.
	This guy is so stupid.
	Can you play that again?
	It's a beauty.
	Chloe, let me go to you first.
	What's the latest tonight in Iowa?
	Okay.
	Well, in Ottawa.
	Well, it's for the day.
	I think I need to play it one more time before I can award anything.
	How beautiful is that?
	I mean, this guy, he's made to give me Clip of the Day time and time again.
	Chloe, let me go to you first.
	What's the latest tonight in Iowa?
	Well, in Ottawa.
	Clip of the Day.
	Yeah.
	How does that happen?
	Do you think that someone...
	Talk to Chloe.
	Talk to Chloe.
	You gotta talk to Chloe about what's going on in Ottawa.
	Iowa?
	Okay.
	Ottawa.
	It's like the commercial.
	Do you have frog protection?
	Yeah, I have frog protection.
	Ugh.
	Isn't that guy great?
	It's unbelievable.
	And this is one of their stars at MSNBC. Top talent.
	Top talent.
	Making a million dollars plus.
	Making a million dollars plus.
	And he's got one of the highest rated shows because they love him.
	I mean, obviously, the audience at MSNBC are extremely stupid.
	But that's the same way with the other networks, too.
	So, I don't know.
	Can't be much smarter anyplace else.
	But they don't have a gaffmeister like this guy.
	Hey, so Harper's in Parliament right now?
	And he's like, we won't run scared.
	We're not going to let this guy bring us down.
	The guy's dead, by the way.
	They shot him.
	And they want to know what the motive was?
	Why don't you capture him alive?
	Maybe that would help.
	The whole thing is so obvious.
	This is bullcrap, people.
	Bullcrap.
	Let me see.
	I had another email here.
	I had a lockdown.
	It was pretty much the same.
	It was good.
	I mean, what's not good is it's so easy to dupe Canada.
	I'm surprised.
	Well, they're virgins.
	Prediction.
	They're virgins.
	Jihadi virgins.
	I'm trying in Vancouver.
	They're virgins to the terrorist game.
	Oh, man.
	Justin Bieber should come out and make a statement.
	Bieber says we won't back down.
	That would be great.
	It could be done.
	I think it would be appropriate at this point to have the Biebs come out and say something.
	Hey, Biebs.
	Hey, have you noticed there's a war on Twitter?
	I've been seeing a number of things.
	I think this actually started with Leo.
	You weren't on the show, and it was very hard to watch, of course, because you weren't on the show.
	And I didn't watch, I listened because I had Ebola.
	And I knew that if I watched, you'd have explosive diarrhea.
	And this whole hate of Twitter, which I find very strange because it's not like Facebook where Facebook kicks you off and Facebook polices everything and Facebook makes it a safe environment.
	And this is also being propagated now by the Gamergate discussions.
	Twitter is no good.
	And misogynists have free reign on Twitter.
	And I'm thinking this is a setup against Twitter.
	And let's face it, it won't take much being a public company for them to run into some real hardship.
	And I think if I were running the strategy and I wanted to kill Twitter, I would want to acquire it.
	Of course, I want to take it over pennies on the dollar.
	But first, we have to bring it all the way down.
	I'm just seeing consistently this.
	You'll look out for it now.
	You'll see that this is happening.
	And the most recent thing...
	You want me to put this in the book, you say?
	Yeah, I think you should put it in the book.
	The war on Twitter.
	War on Twitter.
	And the most recent example of this, and I think I know, I think I can start to put together a case to say that there is a structural war on Twitter, which plays into the misogynistic, you know, women...
	And by the way, if you're being threatened on Twitter, boo-hoo!
	Get off Twitter!
	I know.
	It's not like people are, you know, you don't have to go to Twitter.
	You have to go to school.
	And if someone's at school bullying you at school, that's different.
	If someone's bullying you at work, that's different.
	But it's not like you have to be bullied on any computer.
	Just remove yourself from that service.
	Yeah.
	Get off Facebook, too.
	Yeah.
	Or unfriend people.
	I don't know how you do that.
	It's not like some kind of right that you have a right to safety there.
	But the most recent one was a very funny speech, funny from the perspective of me, by Monica Lewinsky.
	And Monica Lewinsky, I don't have to explain who she is, she was speaking at the Forbes Under 30 conference, and at this conference she launched her anti-bullying campaign.
	Everybody's trying to get into the act.
	For which I cannot find a name for the campaign.
	There was not even a mention about it on the Forbes site.
	So I guess she's just anti-bullying and that's her platform or whatever it is.
	I heard the campaign sucks.
	God, John, you are right on the money.
	I am so sorry.
	I like it.
	Anyway, go on.
	And I have a two-minute clip of this, and it's very sad, first of all, because she cannot read.
	She's very poor.
	She has no timing.
	She says some interesting things, and then I'll tell you why I believe that this is...
	Media training is needed.
	Yeah.
	I'll tell you why I believe this is a setup to bring down Twitter, or at least a part of it.
	Thanks to the Internet and a website that at the time was scarcely known outside of Washington, D.C., But a website most of us know today called the Drudge Report.
	Within 24 hours, I became a public figure.
	Not just in the United States, but around the entire globe.
	As far as major news stories were concerned, This was the very first time that the traditional media was usurped by the internet.
	I don't think that's true.
	What happened is the Star Report came out and people were reading about it online and But really, usurped?
	I don't know about that.
	Well, she's well early in the timeline, because if we start at 93 is when the internet actually had impact, and so far as this sort of thing is concerned, because that's when the web began to grow.
	And this, what is it?
	Is this 98?
	96?
	Yeah, I think it was like 98.
	So it was five years in, just before the dot-com collapse.
	Right.
	But she's really saying...
	I know what you're saying.
	It's sketchy.
	Sketchy at best.
	In 1998, as you can imagine, there was a media frenzy.
	Even though it was pre-Google.
	That's right.
	Pre-Google.
	Oh!
	Pre-Google!
	The World Wide Web, as we called it back then, was already a big part of life.
	Overnight, I went from being a completely private figure to a publicly humiliated one.
	I was patient zero.
	Oh my God.
	Now, you want to hear a little more of this?
	So Google was founded on September 4th, 1998, that same year.
	Just play a little bit more here.
	The first person to have their reputation completely destroyed worldwide via the internet.
	That's not true.
	It was the newspapers.
	But okay, there's a reason for this, I think.
	There was no Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram back then.
	But there were gossip, news, and entertainment websites.
	Dvorak.org.
	Complete with comment sections.
	And emails could be forwarded.
	Woo!
	We could forward emails back then, John.
	Remember them days?
	Of course, it was all done on the excruciatingly slow dial-up.
	Who cares?
	Yet around the world, this story went.
	A viral phenomenon that you could argue...
	Was the first moment of truly social media.
	If only I could collect some royalties.
	Now, the reason why this is a war against Twitter is to kick off her anti-bullying campaign, which has no name or website as far as I can tell.
	She joined Twitter.
	Yes, I realize that.
	Right.
	And the news stories are how the misogynists have come out to call her slut and all these things on Twitter.
	And for Monica Lewinsky to be speaking...
	You know, the great thing about Twitter is you can block people.
	True.
	And for Monica Lewinsky to be speaking at the Forbes Under 30 Conference, it hurts my brain a little bit.
	She's 38.
	She's 38.
	So why is she speaking at the Under 30 Conference?
	I have no idea.
	Not that you mention that simple fact.
	So I'm thinking, and we have it in the book, there is a war on Twitter.
	The war is, Twitter is a vehicle, a free reign for misogynists to hate on women.
	And ne'er the mind that you can just not be on Twitter or get off Twitter or block people.
	There's many ways not to be bullied.
	There's something afoot with this.
	I think you might be onto something.
	That's all I have for right now.
	I just wanted you to know that she is patient zero.
	Patient zero.
	What an arrogant thing to say.
	Yeah.
	Patient.
	In Britain, by the way, people found guilty of internet trolling, which is such a loaded term by itself.
	It doesn't mean anything.
	No.
	Could be jailed for up to two years under government proposals outlined on Sunday.
	A troll jail.
	Following a number of high-profile cases of abusive and threatening behavior on Twitter.
	Justice Secretary Chris Grayling told the Mail on Sunday newspaper, This law is to combat cruelty and marks our determination to take a stand against a baying cyber mob.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	There has been increasing concern in Britain about the growing scourge of internet trolls who post hate-filled messages on social media, often threatening their targets.
	And then, of course, we pull out the parents of missing girl Madeline McCann.
	Last month, a man was jailed for 18 weeks for what prosecutors described as a campaign of hatred against a female lawmaker.
	Quote, these internet trolls are cowards who are poisoning our national life.
	So when you call someone a troll, certainly in the UK, you are now, as of today, calling someone a criminal.
	And by the way, in most countries, Canada is a good example of this, or in the UK, I'm sure, is the same thing.
	This is an opportunity.
	Oh, a business opportunity?
	Money-making opportunity.
	Oh, let me write.
	You're accused of a crime.
	Do I need my pen?
	You have not been convicted, sentenced, or even anything.
	You haven't even been accused by the government.
	If somebody calls you a troll, then, you can sue them for definition.
	Slander.
	Slander.
	If you're not a troll.
	Yeah.
	If you're not, because now they've defined troll in a legal sense, and so now somebody calls you a troll in England, and I believe, you know, England is the only place that's got those laws, so it has to be England.
	And they've got very liberal laws about people suing for slander.
	I mean, they really always take the side of the person slandered.
	I think you can make some serious cash.
	What dictionary should I look at to look up a good definition of troll?
	I think the urban would probably be your best.
	Oh, I know.
	I need an official one.
	You have sexual ones in there.
	I need an official dictionary.
	It hangs from ropes from one foot.
	Interesting.
	Well, I'd like to see the word.
	The word troll is just not a good word to use anymore.
	It's like glitch.
	You can't use that anymore.
	You use it all the time.
	You say you can't use it, but it's very common.
	No, of course.
	I am the word police.
	I'm in charge of all things words.
	Well, it's annoying.
	Troll.
	Well, since we're on this topic...
	And it does involve Twitter.
	We have a new...
	There's a government agency mentioned in here that I just...
	I only heard when I was getting this clip, and I'm going to have to look it up while the clip plays.
	But the State Department is playing a big role in the anti-ISIS thing because apparently...
	And I can't find any real information about these two girls in Denver.
	Oh, yes.
	Yeah, this is good.
	Or three girls.
	Three girls in Denver.
	Teenage girls.
	Teenage trolls, I tell you.
	They got on a plane and they're headed to go fight with ISIL. And I don't know about you, but generally speaking, these very strict and rigid Muslims don't have women fighters working with them.
	I thought they were going to go there to support them, to pleasure them as rewards.
	For the fighters.
	Well, then they'd be whores and they'd be stoned if everyone says what they say, which is these guys are fundamentalists.
	So that's not going to work.
	Okay.
	No matter how you deconstruct this story, none of it works.
	No.
	Unless it's all bull crap, which I believe.
	That would be it.
	So let's play, here's a little State Department stuff.
	This is State Department ISIL attacks.
	Tit-for-tat Facebook and Twitter posts against IS supporters in a project dubbed Think Again, Turn Away, aimed at dissuading potential IS recruits.
	Here at the State Department, the 50-person project is run out of the Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communications.
	It's been working in the anti-jihadi social media space in four foreign languages since 2010.
	This year, it added English.
	Okay.
	Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communications, which is obviously something that was set up by Hillary.
	Yeah.
	And she makes a big point.
	This is a very long piece, by the way.
	It's a large package, so far as TV is concerned.
	This is discussing this operation, and it's got 50 people that are online, apparently, and they wouldn't show what's going on there, because I guess a lot of them are just sitting there looking at porn, and they didn't want to catch them.
	So they didn't get the camera into this thing.
	But there's 50 people, and they're part of the Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communication, and they're on Twitter setting up accounts and telling the ISIS guys that they're bad people.
	Yeah.
	And so what's interesting to me is it is encased within State Department clip 2.
	We weren't permitted to film its operations center, but we were able to catch up with the man spearheading its latest efforts.
	Former Time Magazine editor Richard Stengel, the undersecretary of state for public diplomacy.
	What ISIL is doing is it's using social media and other platforms to try to get mind share of people who would be sympathetic to their goals, young men that they're trying to recruit.
	So when the president talks about contesting the space, he means get in there, intercede between ISIL and those young The State Department has worked to persuade Islamic governments and religious leaders overseas to join the messaging campaign.
	We're not always the best messenger for our message.
	That doesn't mean we shouldn't do it, but part and parcel of what we're trying to do is to enable and empower those better messengers than we are, those people who can say that this is illegitimate Islam.
	But some of the State Department efforts have proven controversial, especially this video entitled Welcome to Islamic State Land, a collection of IS's own gruesome videos.
	So there's Welcome to Islamic State Land.
	I haven't seen this one.
	I need to see this video.
	It's hilarious.
	They got some of the worst videos that the ISIS guys did.
	And my favorite one is some guy that apparently throw off a cliff or something.
	It's like a Hollywood thing.
	This guy's bouncing down the hill.
	And...
	This whole thing reeks of fabrications every which way.
	From the original ISIL-ISIS videos and the mockery of the ISIS videos and the Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communications, which has got to be just a bonanza.
	And the fact that the ex-editor-in-chief of Time Magazine is running this.
	And if you remember, Jay Carney came from Time.
	Didn't he come from Newsweek?
	No, Time.
	I think you're right.
	Time.
	Yeah.
	But you can look it up.
	Yeah.
	But it just reeks of this, as some pundits would say, a government media complex.
	The media...
	And, you know, we have enough trouble with people coming in from aerospace and then becoming lobbyists and then coming into the government and going back to Boeing.
	And now we have these media guys coming from Time Magazine and then going back.
	This is terrible.
	This is the reason the No Agenda show should be listened to because we...
	The rest of this is just a festering corrupt pimple.
	I had a better word than that.
	No, that's a show title for some other podcast, but a festering corrupt pimple.
	I'm just going to write it down.
	Anyway, it's terrible.
	I was very upset by this.
	I had no idea that...
	And it gets worse.
	Siegel is the...
	You know, I think another fast one was tried to be pull on us with this parachute drop.
	No, the parachute drop story.
	Boy, that thing reeks.
	And meanwhile, of course, after the parachute, the goodies in the parachute, you get a nice video coverage of the whole thing.
	Which our head mofo in charge, Sir Head Mofo in Charge, Black Knight of the U.S. Army, was so kind to analyze for us.
	Yes, we would love to hear his analysis.
	Is this one of the reasons that people listen to the show?
	In the morning, I was watching NBC News as I was over at family members' house for dinner and saw the report about the U.S. airdrop that was apparently mistakenly dropped near and recovered by ISIS fighters, where they claimed ISIS fighters are now in possession of a large quantity of U.S. hand grenades.
	One problem!
	The hand grenades shown in the crate in the video are so horribly fake, I started laughing out loud, earning me strange looks from my aunt and uncle who are all in on the ISIS fear bukkake.
	In the army, one of my additional skills is an explosive ordnance clearance agent, so I am somewhat of an expert on U.S. and foreign ordnance.
	However, this fakery is so bad, even a cherry-ass private fresh from basic training could point it out.
	At around 50 seconds into the video, you see him open a crate containing supposed hand grenades thrown in there that are just loose.
	A few problems.
	Live grenades would never ever be transported loose in a crate like that.
	All grenades come from the factory encased in foam, packed in cylindrical tubes.
	They are not unpacked from that until ready to be used.
	Two, the bottom of the grenade body has a hole in it because it's hollow.
	You see, these things are hollow when the kid is picking them up.
	There are no fuses installed on the neck.
	No fuse, no spoon, no pen, etc.
	The grenade bodies have been spray painted a different shade of green.
	What those grenades are, are training versions of the MK2 pineapple grenade, which was completely phased out of service by 1970 and not even used for training anymore.
	Training grenade bodies are stored in crates like the one in the video, and they're stored loosely.
	Looks like someone grabbed the grenade training kit from an old supply room.
	And then he goes on to explain how they work and see what studies say.
	I would also like to point out some issues with the parachute.
	This is not your standard circular airdrop chute.
	It is a steerable chute much like the parafoil design used by skydivers and special operation forces for precision flight path touchdown.
	It is controlled by GPS to deliver the payload to the intended drop location.
	Perhaps the GPS malfunctioned and caused the drop to steer into ISIS-held territory?
	Sincerely, yours.
	Well, there you go.
	And when you look at this video, you can see the grenades are indeed hollow.
	Well, I'm asking you now.
	Why didn't somebody in the mainstream media that kept showing this clip say something about this?
	They have all these experts.
	Yeah, well, I can't answer that.
	We got our one guy mails us obvious facts because it is apparent when you see the things are fake.
	Yeah.
	And the pineapple grenade, the whole thing is just a...
	And I think the funniest part of that note, of course, is that he is laughing while everybody else in the room is biting their nails, fearful that they're going to be killed any minute by one of these phony operators.
	Yeah.
	Isn't it grand?
	It's just too funny.
	How can we keep doing this show?
	Well, if they just keep it up.
	Keep the bullcrap.
	Bullcrap just never stops.
	And I keep reading notes about how Lebanon is now being pulled into the war with Islamic State.
	You've seen this pop up from time to time?
	No, I've not noticed this.
	I may have noticed that there's ancillary information.
	I've got the link here.
	Associated Press.
	Lebanon pulled into war with Islamic State.
	Group.
	With all eyes on the Islamic State group's onslaught into Iraq and Syria, a less conspicuous but potentially just as explosive front line with the extremists is emerging in Lebanon, where Lebanese soldiers and Shiite Hezbollah guerrillas are increasingly pulled into deadly fighting with the Sunni militias.
	I'd say that's another checkmark on the West Clark 7.
	So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan.
	I said, are we still going to war with Iraq?
	And he said, oh, it's worse than that.
	He said, he reached over on his desk, he picked up a piece of paper, and he said, I just got this down from upstairs, meaning the Secretary of Defense Office today, and he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.
	There you go.
	And then just briefly, I wanted to say, you know, everyone is immediately saying, oh, the CEO of Total Oil, two to the head, you know, they killed him.
	That makes no sense.
	Yeah.
	Well, before you go, I do have two more ISIS clips.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I didn't know you.
	Yes.
	Well, This is kind of another report.
	And it has this guy, this NCCT guy, who's the new head of National Council.
	Olson.
	Yeah, Olson.
	Yeah, Olson.
	Play ISIS online first and then play the Olson clip.
	Oh, okay.
	Late yesterday, word came that three teenage girls from the Denver area were detained over the weekend in Germany.
	Did I play the wrong one?
	No, that's the right one, I believe.
	I just didn't have it named right.
	I would have had it played earlier because this is the background to the girls from Denver.
	By American authorities, their disappearance raised fears they were on their way to Syria to join the Islamic State group.
	That's because the militants have been...
	There it is again, Islamic State group.
	This is new.
	That's new.
	Yeah.
	They're calling Islamic State Group.
	I was just noticing.
	...
	have been luring recruits from around the world with a sophisticated web-based media operation.
	A program the U.S. government is now targeting.
	Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent Margaret Warner has the story.
	And a warning, it contains some graphic images.
	Oh, good.
	The Islamic State Group's sweeping land grabs across Syria and Iraq this year have been matched by an online onslaught as well.
	Sophisticated.
	They got a sophisticated outfit, man, because it involves computers.
	And now here's Guy Olson making his little commentary.
	ISL disseminates timely and high-quality media content on multiple platforms, including...
	Well, hire them to run Yahoo, then.
	That would be perfect.
	ISL disseminates timely and high-quality media content on multiple platforms, including on social media, all designed to secure widespread following for the group.
	Last month, President Obama urged his fellow leaders at the United Nations to join the fight against the Islamic State in the realm of ideas.
	That means contesting the space that terrorists occupy, including the Internet and social media.
	Yeah.
	This is just so much bull crap, it's ridiculous.
	Yeah, no, what's ridiculous is that we're not in on the money-making bonanza.
	Oh, my God, can you imagine?
	Yeah, but it also, you know, when you work for the government, you have to create reports.
	Yeah, you've got to do a lot of TPS reports.
	Yeah, and then you have to take guys out to lunch and bribe them, put a hooker on them to make sure the contract stays valid.
	Right.
	Those days are over for me, man.
	Too much blackmail.
	Those days are just over for me.
	It's just like, oh, come on.
	Meanwhile, I don't get the point of this story, but I think it was to slip in some information that's old, that they didn't catch the first time around.
	And this is the fence jumper clip.
	Yeah, that was interesting.
	That popped.
	I think I'm else about this.
	There's breaking news tonight, and with details on this story, we'll go to Dick Brennan.
	A man has just jumped the fence at the north lawn of the White House.
	Chief White House Correspondent Major Garrett is in D.C. Major, what happened?
	Good evening, Dick.
	The U.S. Secret Service confirms that a man jumped the fence onto the north grounds of the White House about 7.30 p.m.
	Eastern Time tonight, prompting a stop.
	So I have this on the big HD screen.
	Good evening, Dick.
	So I got right up.
	I had his face.
	He's reading this.
	It's all prompter.
	He's not actually saying anything.
	I can see his eyeballs moving.
	Very subtle.
	He's good, but he's not great.
	This is all scripted.
	And this whole thing is very scripted.
	It sounds like a lousy children's play from high school, the way they're going back and forth.
	But anyway, I just thought you should know.
	Oh yeah, it sounds like it.
	Thank you very much, Dick.
	Over to you, Dick.
	I like how you pronounce the dick.
	...the fence and on to the north grounds of the White House about 7.30 p.m.
	Eastern Time tonight, prompting a White House lockdown.
	Secret Service agents and guard dogs descended on the suspect and subdued him without incident.
	The suspect attempted to kick the attack dogs in this process, but to no avail.
	The Secret Service has recently added new fences and posted additional agents outside of the north grounds of the White House in hopes of deterring fence jumpers.
	Hey, how'd that new low fence work?
	That really is fantastic, that fence.
	I think they've introduced a new meme.
	I just thought of it as heard this again.
	These bastards kick dogs.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Who are police officers.
	That's a felony to kick the dog.
	That's a felony.
	The dog kicker.
	The use of attack dogs in this particular case, Dick, differs dramatically from the tactics the Secret Service used during the September 19th incident at the White House, in which Army veteran Omar Gonzalez climbed that same fence and sprinted to the doors of the executive mansion and made it deep inside the White House complex before being tackled near the green room.
	Gonzalez resisted arrest and faces numerous federal charges related to that fence-jumping crime.
	He was recently declared not mentally competent to face trial.
	A trial date for Gonzalez has not been set.
	Fascinating report.
	Yeah, I found that to be interesting in regards to, you know...
	I think the whole thing was a hoax.
	Yeah.
	It's like, hey, we can do it.
	We've got the new guy in charge.
	He does a better job.
	Okay, we're done.
	Well, there was also a Secret Service scandal that broke.
	Right.
	They brought this back to the fore.
	This would have never been mentioned if it wasn't for this event.
	And this, again, is to demean the old woman that was running the place.
	Do you have the clip?
	Because I have the clip.
	I don't have the clip.
	I thought I had the clip, but I don't.
	But essentially...
	I have the clip.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, play the clip.
	Or would you just like to say essentially and explain it?
	I said essentially, and I meant it.
	Two Secret Service agents were investigating threatening comments on Facebook about the president.
	This guy is from, um...
	Who is this guy?
	He's the...
	I don't like that.
	He's the older correspondent for the local Nashville station.
	Okay.
	It sounds like he's talking through a voice processor that is misconfigured.
	It's a very interesting way of speaking.
	Two Secret Service agents were investigating threatening...
	I'm sure it's probably some horrible stroke that he had that we're making fun of, which is not going to be funny in the end.
	Comments on Facebook about the president and the Nashville man who posted them had refused to let the agents into his house.
	He shut the door on our face and went around the corner.
	We're not sure if he possibly had the gun in his hand.
	In a letter first sent by Nashville's top cop to Secret Service headquarters, Chief Steve Anderson wrote, the resident refused to come outside and shouted back, show me your warrant.
	So one of the agents then asked a police sergeant to wave a piece of paper in an apparent effort to dupe the resident into thinking they indeed had a warrant.
	Hey, nice work, Secret Service guys.
	So let me get this straight.
	So this guy had posted something on Facebook, which they could just read in this news space literally so that we knew what the guy said.
	But it was taken as a threat.
	And then the Secret Service said, oh, this guy's threatening.
	We're going to go pick him up.
	And the guy says, yeah, show me your warrant.
	This isn't the same scandal I'm thinking of.
	Oh, well, I like this one.
	The other scandal was a neighborhood dispute.
	Oh, I don't know about that.
	Yeah, look up Neighborhood Dispute Secret Service.
	Now I wish I had the clip.
	Oh, you look it up.
	This is a different clip.
	It's apparently some agents went rogue and came off the White House duty.
	They were on the White House duty, and one of their buddies in Maryland or one of these nearby states had some beef with a guy in his backyard or something, and they thought he'd bring in some muscle.
	And he called his buddies from the Secret Service?
	Yeah, they came in from the White House detail.
	Well, that's what you do.
	I mean, come on.
	If you live in Jersey, I got my boys.
	I call my boys from the department.
	Come on down and help me out.
	What do we do in Jersey?
	It's crazy.
	The news is crazy.
	We stick together in Jersey.
	Oh, man.
	Yeah.
	But you've got to listen to this, because what I like is the Nashville chief of police, he said, screw this, I'm going to go complain.
	I'm going to the feds and say, you know, this is not okay what you guys are doing.
	You can't fake having a warrant.
	This is a constitutional issue.
	Right.
	What he talks about is abuse of power by the Secret Service, not just in Washington, but here in Nashville.
	Congressman Jim Cooper is one of the members of the committee who just got the chief's letter detailing the January 2013 incident.
	So you can't steamroll a citizen of this country because we all have rights, and we should know how to exercise those rights.
	Good point, because most citizens are like, okay, what do you want me to do?
	It's like Boston.
	Remember the Boston Marathon bombing, and then they took over a whole town and started going in and out of houses?
	I'm coming in your house to make sure he's not here.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's crazy.
	The incident occurred here in this East Nashville neighborhood, but the chief says when officers arrived, they quickly discovered that Secret Service agents had no legal basis to enter the man's house.
	And the man who had a legal permit to carry a gun had not actually threatened anyone with it.
	That's when officers decided to pull out.
	Since then, Director Julia Pearson had promised to clean up the Secret Service.
	The chief sent her a complaint about the incident.
	But Anderson said, she did not acknowledge my letter.
	Assistant Director A.T. Smith did call, but his tone at best was condescending and dismissive.
	Yeah.
	The chief added, I realized that I was being told in a polite manner to mind my own affairs.
	That's when Anderson demanded a meeting with bosses inside the Secret Service's Nashville office.
	He recalled asking, do you think it is appropriate to wave a piece of paper in the air and tell him you have a warrant when you do not have a warrant?
	Answer, I don't know.
	I'm not a lawyer.
	I don't know.
	I'm not a lawyer.
	I'm just a government.
	I don't know.
	What should I know?
	Sad and sorry state of affairs.
	Sorry state of affairs, ladies and gentlemen.
	Just sorry.
	Top that.
	That's a toughie.
	Okay, two quickies before we take our break.
	All right.
	Sent to me by one of our producers who did a fabulous job, a nifty job of clipping little clips here.
	Some equality clips, as of course I love the Kurt Vonnegut story about, you know, the everyone is equal.
	And how we are proceeding down a path in the world.
	Just because we have so much media and we're good at it here in America, we happen to have lots of reports on it and clips.
	This would fall under the...
	The heading of this.
	Oh, there's no winning.
	We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere, but we laugh a lot.
	Now everyone hug and share a secret.
	Well, new this morning, school officials in Hillsborough County are banning the term dropout.
	Yeah, instead, the Tampa Bay Times reports the district will refer to their dropout prevention program as education alternative services.
	School officials say they're changing the term because it's negative and produces a stigma.
	They also want to make sure the new program name emphasizes student success.
	Wow!
	That would have been a clip of the day if it wasn't for Sean.
	Here's another one.
	Did somebody set that in?
	Yeah, one of our producers.
	Wow!
	And a second one.
	That's a great clip.
	That's local news, I guess.
	And a second one, yeah.
	A second one.
	Ready?
	The system in Orange County is causing a lot of controversy under the Pupil Progression Plan.
	The pupil progression plan.
	Wow.
	That's beautiful.
	The grading system in Orange County is causing a lot of controversy.
	Under the pupil progression plan, middle and high school students cannot get lower than a 50 when it comes to quarterly or end of semester grades.
	School board members say the plan gives students a second chance, but teachers say they should be the ones setting the standard when it comes to those scores.
	By taking it just to 50, we give the child the chance.
	It's still an F. But if they turn things around, they get tutoring, they become more engaged in the classwork, they understand the importance, then at least they will not still fail.
	The teacher...
	You can't get below a 50 now.
	So you can't get a zero.
	No, you can't get a zero.
	They used to be able to get a zero.
	They give you a zero.
	No, you just can't get it.
	What are they, wine tasters?
	This is what the wine tasting, the 200 point scale does.
	You can't get below a 50.
	Well, why not make the scale 50 then?
	I don't know.
	I'm just saying you can't get below 50.
	Anyway...
	Sales of wine is the reason.
	So you get a lot of high scores, no matter what.
	This is why we are the future of media, is because we have the experts.
	We have people in the field.
	We have people, boots on the ground, with no ulterior motive other than to make us laugh.
	And laugh we do.
	Absolutely.
	And we do it like this.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda in the morning.
	I've got a really long note from...
	I'm not sure if she wants me to mention her name.
	Jen.
	I'll just say Jen.
	And I'm going to take...
	I'm not going to read the note.
	I'm just going to read a sentence.
	I'm going to deconstruct the note and then see if there's anything in here that is something we need to discuss.
	John's speculation that some people are put off by the format of the show has merit...
	This was initially the case with me.
	It really struck a chord, and it has prompted me to send in my first contribution for the best podcast in the universe, which, regrettably, is not as much as she'd like, and she goes on.
	So I'm thinking the phenomenon, there's two women, both are women.
	The first one brought this up, and she says she's a huge fan now, if you remember the last show of the show before.
	Now we have Jen here, who says the same thing.
	Which I find interesting.
	I don't know if it's anything we can do about it.
	And the format being what?
	Because we have donations?
	The jingles, the ridicule.
	Oh, that!
	I think it's the ridicule.
	The ridicule of the news.
	Because let's imagine that you're locked in.
	Like an Obama bot.
	I think a lot of these people may have been bots.
	As opposed to the independents who have always been skeptical and all we do is reconfirm that there's skepticism.
	But somebody that's all in.
	And then we come along with the stuff that we say and it's counter to everything that the media does.
	Counter.
	Almost 180.
	In most cases it is exactly.
	We turn the world upside down.
	Yeah.
	And maybe it just makes people nervous.
	I don't know.
	But this is a second female woman who has mentioned this, but now they're all in.
	And so I don't know.
	We're like Vegemite.
	God, let's hope not.
	I could never get into Vegemite.
	Me neither.
	Brian, we want to thank a few people for Show 663, including Brian Vaughn in San Carlos, California, 14437.
	That's a sack of sevens for seven years.
	It's actually a sack of sevens twice.
	Yeah, nice.
	No, it's not.
	14437, is that right?
	I don't know.
	But I'll take it.
	I can't do math.
	Oh, no, it's With a Mini Beast.
	The Mini Beast is $77.77 plus $66.60.
	Okay, that's $134.
	Beautiful.
	I didn't read it properly.
	Kevin Benson in Yowie Bay, New South Wales in Australia.
	$111.11.
	And he apparently just because of the newsletter where I had a terrific photo that was sent by one of our producers.
	You know, sometimes I think to myself, Is this going to continue forever?
	And I thought, yeah, probably.
	It's a winner!
	I just like the idea of you sitting around, walking around the house, thinking, oh yes, this is a great picture!
	These kittens are fabulous for the newsletter!
	Because it shows, you know what it is?
	For the sometimes brusque, direct form of communication you can have, it shows you have a tender heart.
	Kittens!
	Did you see that picture?
	Of course I saw the picture.
	One for every year.
	I loved it.
	That was actually eight kittens.
	I counted them.
	I tried to use that angle, but there weren't too many kittens in that box.
	We'll bring the kittens back for next year.
	But I just thought it was the funniest thing ever.
	Anyway.
	And people should be subscribing to the newsletter just for pictures like this.
	I don't understand why we don't have more subscribers.
	Mm-hmm.
	El Cid Compiador.
	Hey, El Cid!
	From the fifth, let's see, what is that?
	From the fifth column.
	From the fifth column.
	$100.
	If too much trouble, make it anonymous, which he did.
	Or use the name El Cid.
	He, okay, this is an interesting situation with him.
	He's contributed before.
	We used his real name, and now he wants us to go back to L.C. He contributes a lot by email.
	He sends us a lot of stories and leads and ideas.
	He's a big contributor in a lot of different ways, and he's actually got about $2,500 in the bank that he's given, and he's never been knighted.
	Yeah, and it was a little unclear.
	I asked him about it.
	I asked him specifically.
	He said, I don't want to be knighted.
	Well, that's not okay.
	Well, he says his wife will find out.
	Oh.
	What are we, like a whore?
	Yes, we're a whore.
	That's keeping him busy on the side.
	I have no idea.
	Well, sorry.
	Okay.
	I think he should be knighted at El Cid.
	Who's going to know?
	His wife will never find out.
	Well, unless that's, come on, El Cid.
	Unless that's what he's called in bed.
	Dig me, El Cid.
	Come on.
	That's a possibility.
	Kevin McLaughlin in Locust, North Carolina, which I didn't know there was a city by that name, it's a good name, 7777, which is to celebrate our 7th anniversary coming up shortly, end of the month.
	Jonathan Rose in Netanya, Israel, 7777.
	Isn't that Sir Joe Rose?
	Sir Joe Rose?
	It could be, yes.
	Sir Jono.
	Sir Jono, yeah.
	Jono, thank you.
	Yes, thank you.
	Shalom.
	Mathieu.
	Come on, you speak French.
	Mathieu.
	Mathieu.
	Yeah, Mathieu.
	Achoo.
	7777 in Gatineau.
	Je m'en fous, Mathieu.
	And by the way, it's much flatter in Canada than anything like you just did.
	Sarah Gardner in Wilmington, North Carolina.
	Sorry, Mr.
	French.
	It's got to be flat.
	Flat French.
	Sorry.
	I knew a woman that was French.
	Ah, you were going to say you had a girlfriend, yes.
	I had a friend of mine, and she went to France for the first time speaking that French that they speak in Canada.
	Oh, but they hate the Canadians when they hate them.
	She claims that the woman she was speaking to spit in her face.
	I don't know if it's a bullshit story or not.
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	Adam's honky ass tries to sound mockingly hip.
	When he says it.
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	Well, maybe.
	To be clear, as a black man, I don't have a problem with people sounding jackass-y saying, nigga, I'm particularly sick of this overly sensitive liberal BS about words that hurt.
	My gripe is that Adam's honky ass tries to sound mockingly hip when he says it.
	At the risk of sounding like a cyber buddy, Adam, please stop.
	You're a tall white guy who made and blew millions.
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	Hence the teaser.
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	It's just one of those things that has turned into an excellent product, an outstanding product.
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	Running out of steam, John.
	Getting a little light-headed on the projective things.
	That's fine, you know.
	You still sound like a pro.
	Thank you.
	No, I just don't have the...
	It's all diaphragm.
	My whole body is tired.
	So, anyway.
	Sounds like you still have it.
	Yeah, what?
	Did Mickey get sick?
	She only had a throat ache.
	She's a woman.
	Women are stronger that way.
	And of course, men, you know, when I'm sick, I groan.
	Oh, you're one of those.
	I'm just the opposite.
	Oh, really?
	I'm not sick.
	Then I go out and infect everybody.
	I'm just mean.
	I should be kept at home.
	The worst part is I could not sleep because my snoring, which I don't typically snore, was waking myself up.
	Your eyes fell...
	Every five years.
	Who's that?
	Who's that there?
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	Before he passes out.
	Yeah.
	No, I'll make it.
	I'll make it.
	I just got to be careful.
	I like to project a lot.
	I'm a projector into the mic.
	Yeah, that's why you use the barrel mic.
	That's correct.
	I use the Procaster.
	I like it a lot.
	Because you don't need a windscreen.
	It has one built in.
	So you don't lose a lot of the dynamics.
	Just a little tip.
	Just a little tip here from the...
	Oh, here comes Miss Be...
	Thank you, darling.
	What is this?
	Water?
	Yeah, thank you.
	You hear it?
	You need some water, kid.
	What'd you say?
	You need some water.
	You put some codeine in here?
	Ooh.
	Now you're talking.
	Yay!
	Oh, she got me the bubbly water.
	Nice.
	That does help.
	Right in the middle of it.
	About ten minutes in, we'll be hearing a nice belch.
	No, no, no.
	Hey, I have some...
	I was watching, as far as crazy as Australia gets sometimes, and going all in on Gitmo Nation, lock everybody, more than three people in a room.
	It was a prison colony to begin with, so they fall right into this.
	You know, they have this law, more than three people in a room is illegal, you know, you can get arrested.
	Yeah, just like in a prison.
	Now, they have this show, and on the show, they had Patrick Moore, who was one of the original co-founders of Greenpeace, who quit Greenpeace because Greenpeace, he said, wasn't following science anymore.
	They became a political organization.
	Yeah, duh.
	And Erwin Jackson of the Climate Institute.
	And this was a half-hour program on Sky Australia, I think.
	And it was a point-counterpoint about climate change.
	And it was one of the best discussions ever I have heard where even the hosts, there's two hosts, I'm not quite sure what this program is, two hosts who also participate, but they're kind of neutral.
	And I pulled three clips from it, two short ones, one longer one, because it also got funny and it showed...
	How, when the all-in climate guys who, it turns out, aren't really scientists, and this guy certainly isn't, and you may want to look up the Climate Institute in Australia.
	Not the climateinstitute.org, but the climateinstitute.com.au, I think.
	It's in the show notes.
	It was just a really good discussion, and I was very proud that this kind of conversation is able to be broadcast still in Australia without, you know, the ridicule and people being shouted down.
	Yes, exactly.
	So here is the first bit with Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace.
	18 years since there's been any warming of the globe.
	What's everyone going on about it?
	Well, it's quite spectacular actually because there was a lot of concern that the world would warm if we kept pouring carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
	And even though in the last 18 years 25% of all the CO2 that humans have ever put into the atmosphere has gone in there, there has been no significant warming of the world's climate.
	And so, therefore, it brings into serious question whether or not there really is a strong relationship between carbon dioxide and warming of the Earth's atmosphere.
	Professor Erwin Jackson is in our Melbourne studio.
	I just wonder, Erwin, what's your response to that?
	Is the Earth warming?
	Well, it is, and there's no doubt about that, really.
	If you look at the observational record, you look at what's happening to our ice sheets, you look at what's happening in the oceans, there's all clear evidence that the world is warming.
	Yes, the rate of warming has slowed in the last few years.
	It hasn't been as rapid as it has been previously.
	But there are potentially very good reasons for that.
	We have natural variability in the climate system.
	We also are seeing some parts of the ocean heating up quite significantly.
	So the extra energy we're trapping in the Earth's system It's going to different places, not just into our surface temperature.
	So that's just the opening there, where the guy is already waffling a little bit by saying, well, you know, the warming is in other places, it's not just in the atmosphere, and now it's going to get interesting, as for the first time I've ever heard a point-counterpoint on the Arctic ice loss versus the Antarctic ice gain.
	I think you would agree, Owen, that the Antarctic ice is at the highest level it's been.
	The sea ice around Antarctica is more extensive than it has been since we started measuring it in 1979.
	If you add the area of sea ice around Antarctica with the area of sea ice in the Arctic, there is actually no trend whatsoever since 1979.
	It's about the same as it was then.
	And when you say it's I'm sorry Patrick, that's actually not what the IPCC say.
	Yes, that's what Pechori has said.
	Have been the warmest on record and they've been warmer than everyone before it.
	They also say that the global increase in temperature has increased over the period you're talking about.
	Yes, not as quickly as it had in the previous period, but they've also said it's actually increased.
	So it's actually incorrect to say if you look at the full body of the IPCC work.
	It's interesting to say you have to look at the full body of the IPCC work, which is filled with most likely, kind of likely, we think so.
	I mean, this is total, total bullcrap.
	...to suggest that the world isn't warming.
	And yes, the parts of the Antarctic have a higher level of sea ice than they have in the past, and there's good reason for that, because the global climate is changing, which is promoting greater winds, which is promoting greater ice build-up in certain parts of the Antarctic.
	Yeah.
	So he's pulling out all the...
	The guy's pretty good, but not good enough for this very calm, cool, and collected Patrick Moore.
	Now comes the death...
	What do you call that?
	The death blow.
	The death blow.
	Which comes in a one, two, three punch.
	Where the host finally says, look...
	Has it warmed or not in the past 18 years?
	And you're going to hear a couple of funny things, and then finally, it's almost like the Hitler card of the climate debate.
	Has the Earth warmed in the last 18 years or not?
	Let's hear from both men.
	Firstly, Dr.
	Moore.
	Well, the satellite record shows zero warming in the last 18 years despite the fact that one quarter of all the CO2 we have ever emitted because of the rapidly increasing rate of CO2 emissions from China and Russia and Indonesia and India and the United States and around the world has happened in the last 18 years.
	So there's a tremendous disconnect between the rate of carbon dioxide buildup in the atmosphere And the warming, which has essentially disappeared, gone to zero in the last 18 years.
	Professor's answer to that.
	Well, first of all, I should clarify, I'm actually not a professor.
	Oh, my apologies.
	Well, you can't be for one night.
	You can't be for one night.
	Oops, little problem there in the production.
	So he's not a professor.
	They've been calling him professor for the whole show so far.
	He's not a professor.
	And the other host says, well, you can be for one night.
	You can be, because it's said everywhere, professor.
	Everyone looks like a douchebag now.
	And so now he cops to what he really is.
	Perhaps you might tell our viewers what exactly your position is.
	I'm deputy CEO at the Climate Institute.
	Right.
	Which you should look up, John.
	It is the bonanza.
	Look at their partners.
	A bonanza, I tell you.
	The core issue is that Patrick's entitled to his opinion.
	As the public and as policymakers and the media commentators, we need to make a judgment based on the evidence, and I think everyone would agree with that.
	If you look at the evidence that is put forward by CSIRO, NASA, every major research institution on the planet, they've all come to basically the same conclusion.
	Oh, now he makes a very grave error by mentioning NASA. It is continuing to warm, albeit not as fast as it was, and the human activities is the principal cause behind that.
	Erwin, I don't know, you blokes have sort of learnt all this stuff off, and you say, well if I keep repeating it often enough, someone will believe me.
	You mentioned NASA. I've got a quote here from NASA. In the 21st century, greenhouse gases have continued to accumulate in the atmosphere, just as they did in the 20th century, but global average surface temperatures have stopped rising in tandem with the gases.
	Dr Moore, isn't that what you were saying?
	Exactly.
	By the way, you can say this till you're blue in the face to people who are all in.
	They'll just tell you that you're crazy.
	You're stupid.
	That's not true.
	Now...
	I'm actually stunned by the reaction you have.
	In fact, Michael Crichton talked about this one in his last days, about how they, you know, this is the reason.
	They're all, very few of them have ever been scientists, worked in science, took science, they don't know anything.
	But they're all lockstep with this, and it's, you know, it's part of his hatred of the petroleum company.
	There's a lot of sociology.
	Irrational, it's phobia.
	It's totally irrational.
	Yeah.
	So when you do this, these guys, this guy, the Climate Institute, it's a PR company.
	And they work with the biggest, all the big names are there.
	They are part of the big movement, which is money.
	It's all about money.
	Well, I don't even have to put this in the book because I think it's already happening.
	But I will predict that the climate change movement will shift gears...
	At some point, people are going to look at it and say, the guy's right.
	There hasn't been any change.
	Well, it's very interesting you say this.
	But I think they're going to shift gears and push toward ocean acidification.
	And here it comes.
	I'm glad you said that.
	So first, the guy's going to pull the Hitler card.
	And Patrick Moore is going to talk about the ocean stuff and the truth of what's really happening.
	The issue is, I think we need to disconnect two issues here.
	One is absolutely right.
	The level of emissions that we are putting into the atmosphere from carbon pollution has been increasingly very rapidly in the last few years.
	surface temperature based on all the evidence that's been put forward by the international community are increasing.
	But that doesn't mean to say other things aren't happening at the moment.
	We've created a change in the LNG balance of the climate system, which is the equivalent roughly of detonating about four atomic bombs about the size of Hiroshima every second.
	What?
	That means energy has to go somewhere.
	Yeah, you heard it.
	And I'll bet you more people are going to start saying this.
	It's like, every day we're putting so much carbon pollution, it's the equivalent of detonating four Hiroshima bombs, and Patrick Moore is going to put a stop to this.
	Some of it's going to the surface temperature, some of it's going into the ocean, some of it's melting ice, and the overall picture is very clear.
	That is a seriously silly analogy, to talk about Hiroshima bombs exploding.
	What you're saying is that you believe that more heat is coming into the Earth's system And you don't know where it's going.
	Some people are saying it's in the deep ocean.
	Now it's hiding in the deep ocean.
	That's where they've postulated it must be going because it's not warming the atmosphere.
	But the fact is, it's possible that that heat is actually not coming in to the Earth's atmosphere because climate sensitivity to carbon dioxide is nowhere near as much as people thought before.
	And many people are now beginning to think that the positive feedbacks that they were building into these computer models are wrong, and there may in fact be a negative feedback to CO2 increase.
	All else being equal, it is true that carbon dioxide would cause some warming, but what if the water vapor actually suppresses the CO2's impact?
	Because all else is not equal.
	There are many factors at work here.
	And we're going towards cooling.
	You know, it could be.
	We've always said that on this show, even though we're kind of mocking it a bit, but at the same time, there are guys that, from the 1970s, we talked about this before, from the global cooling panic took place from 1976 to 1978, and many of the scientists...
	The same people.
	...are the same scientists on this side of it, and many of those that were on board are still on board with global cooling.
	It was worth it.
	It was worth it.
	Yep.
	But I like that.
	Oh, it's in the ocean.
	It's sitting in the deep, deep ocean.
	That's where the heat is.
	It's coming.
	It's coming.
	We're doomed.
	We are doomed.
	And her head is gone.
	We're all going to die.
	Well, it's interesting to watch because at a certain point there will be enough very clear statements from the scientific community That people will have to say, yeah.
	It's very hard.
	People, they're all in.
	They really believe it.
	The president keeps standing up there and saying it.
	But it's just not true.
	It's so obviously political to me, too.
	That's the strange thing about it.
	Yeah, it is.
	And the lack of discussion at any level that makes sense, and listening to people like Joy Behar go on and on about how...
	I miss her show.
	What show?
	Does she have a show now?
	Is that what you're telling me?
	No.
	I think she was on the current net.
	They tried to put her on current, and that folded.
	I don't think she has a show, and I think she's never going to get another one.
	But, yeah, she was very entertaining, I have to say.
	Kind of a female version of Elle Sharpton in terms of her...
	Yeah, it just baffles me because they do have all the temperature information.
	We're not seeing what the guy's right.
	There's no change for 18 years.
	It's bullcrap.
	And people that are really naive about computer science and they buy into this idea of a computer model, I sent a tweet around a few days ago showing the computer model that predicted that the...
	The Volcanic Ash?
	...would win the first game of the World Series, a computer model.
	And, of course, they lost.
	No, the Volcanic Ash, that's another good one.
	You moan about that one.
	The computer models suck.
	They can't even give us what weather's going to be like tomorrow.
	Weather's not climate.
	Well, it is now.
	It depends on whether or not...
	If it validates, then it is climate.
	If it doesn't validate, then it's not climate.
	I mean, come on.
	Does anybody see through this charade?
	No, no, no.
	No, they don't.
	No, and if you go and have dinner with your Obama-bot friends, they'll think you're nuts.
	Just a denier.
	We know they think I'm a nut.
	That's obvious.
	There's nothing new there.
	One of our producers, Glenn, caught this, and I thought it was an interesting theory.
	It was about this report.
	Good evening, and it's great to start another week with you.
	And we begin with that urgent warning for drivers, for families across this country from the federal government.
	It involves airbags and millions of cars on the roads right now.
	Are they at risk of exploding?
	Tonight, they're urging nearly 5 million families to take their cars to be repaired right now because of a defective airbag that can explode without warning, sending dangerous materials, shards of metal, flying through the car.
	Safety advocates say this brings the total up to 20 million cars.
	Tonight here, we ask, is your car one of them?
	And where were those airbags made?
	ABC's chief investigative correspondent, Brian Ross, is here.
	So...
	Wow.
	What was interesting about this...
	I noticed this story floating through, but I didn't really focus on it.
	Well, what was interesting, and this is what producer Glenn said, he said...
	If you read the NHTSA, that's the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, if you read their actual advisory, and it's an advisory, and I have it here, vehicle owners with defective airbags urge to take immediate action.
	The message comes with urgency, especially, pay note, for owners of vehicles affected by regional recalls in the following areas.
	Florida, Puerto Rico, Limited areas in the Gulf of Mexico and Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana, as well as Guam, Saipan, America, Samoa, and the Virgin Islands and Hawaii.
	But mainly southern red states.
	And his thesis, which I think is a good one, is that this so-called recall, which is...
	And it's really vehicles that are from 2000 to 2005...
	And it's an advisory.
	So it doesn't apply to my old 1993 Lexus?
	Let me see.
	I have the list here.
	He says he believes it is put out there at this very interesting timing to give current lawmakers in these states a reason to pontificate and look how the government is trustworthy and looking out for you, vote Democrat.
	That could be.
	I think I almost...
	If we interpreted all the news for the next few weeks, it's all going to be like this.
	Everything is going to be vote Democrat or vote Republican, depending on who plants what story.
	You have Alexis SC? Yeah.
	From what year?
	93.
	Let me see.
	2002's...
	Does yours even have an airbag?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and I got to have to hand crank the engine.
	Contact 2002 to 2005 Lexus SC. It all says potentially, potentially, potentially.
	No one is going to go in and get the airbag replaced.
	That's expensive.
	I think it's right now the airbag costs more than my car's worth.
	The Dodge Ram 2003, so I'm lucky there.
	I have it 2002, so it's not my Dodge and not your Lexus.
	Oh, good.
	Yay!
	Yeah.
	No, we win.
	I figure if you with older cars don't vote, they're all going to vote Republican anyway, so who cares?
	I just thought it was not a bad theory.
	No, I liked it.
	I like it.
	Yeah.
	Because it was such a strange story.
	Not a strange...
	This is just a throwaway clip, but holy crap.
	To see this on an outfit that wants to be serious about their news, of course, Carol, CNN. I mean, who can really take her serious at all?
	And by the way, I'm going to interrupt you.
	I've got the dish, right?
	Yeah.
	CNN has been pulled off the dish.
	What?
	Yes.
	All the Turner stuff has been in dispute.
	Ooh!
	So I go to CNN. Guess what they substituted CNN with?
	MSNBC! That wasn't on already?
	No, it was, but now it's on two channels.
	Wow.
	Well, that's no good.
	No, no.
	What's the dispute?
	Do we know what the actual dispute is about?
	Somebody wants money.
	Well, yeah, I'd like to know.
	Well, this is interesting.
	There was a good article in...
	Let me see.
	Where is it?
	With Michael Wolff.
	Was that wired?
	Let me see.
	Hollywood Reporter magazine.
	Very good article.
	People should read that.
	Hollywoodreporter.com.
	Michael Wolff.
	And he said his thesis is very good, I feel, about HBO and CBS who are now starting to stream.
	Right.
	He says, if you think the internet is disrupting television, you're wrong.
	Television is disrupting the internet.
	And I agree with him.
	I think he's absolutely right.
	Television is taking over.
	No one wants independently produced content.
	They're all mind-controlled into wanting HBO. This was this whole thing on Twitch for like 20 minutes.
	Oh, I want HBO and some sports and some CBS and everybody wants all this mainstream content streaming.
	Yeah, Netflix.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I know.
	It's...
	Kind of interesting, except for the millennials who don't watch any of that stuff, and they get all their videos.
	It was the millennial chick who was saying it the whole time.
	Well, she's just an oddball.
	Maybe, maybe.
	I don't know.
	Well, we'll see, because podcasting is one of the threats to terrestrial radio.
	It is the threat.
	It is the threat.
	I don't even think it's a threat anymore.
	I keep hearing NPR pushing their podcast one or NPR one app.
	They're going to pull that.
	They can't.
	I know they can't.
	The lucky thing is that terrestrial radio is so bad and filled with commercials to such an extreme that...
	I don't think listeners can put up with it.
	It's different with TV. TV still has incredible production values for some of the shows, and they're well-written.
	They pay people big money, and they pay writers money, and there's a lot of...
	And they have residuals and unions.
	Right, and it's all set up as a real system that works.
	Radio's got none of that.
	The problem is, unless it's by subscription, the free advertising model really is not going to work very well.
	In my opinion.
	We don't use it.
	In my opinion.
	We don't use it for a number of different reasons.
	Well, for us, but I'm just saying that for the TV services, I don't know.
	Oh, the TV. Oh, no.
	I've been getting...
	Once in a while, I'll miss a show that I didn't record or something, and I'll go stream it a lot.
	Most of the shows are streamable.
	And they don't have as many commercials, but they have commercials.
	And you can't...
	You can't...
	There's no way of getting...
	No, no way to skip, no.
	You've got to think...
	Yeah.
	And so you have to watch this commercial, and they give you a countdown.
	You've got one minute.
	Well, you know who the winner is in that?
	Adobe.
	Adobe...
	And I think they even say it right here in this article, which was...
	It kind of slipped in.
	Let me just see this for a second.
	Let me search for this.
	It was very interesting.
	Maybe it wasn't in this article.
	Adobe reports numbers.
	To industries, because they have all kinds of reporting shit that's going back to Adobe in their Flash Player.
	It's really quite interesting to see this happen.
	Adobe really is not a good company.
	In their heart, they're just spies.
	I don't know how they ever got that way.
	Just market position.
	I think once YouTube happened, that became the de facto way to distribute video.
	You know, flash video, that was it.
	Yeah, HTML5, they're trying, they're trying, they're trying, but I don't think it's really going to happen.
	Yeah, they keep trying and trying.
	Anyway, this is back to the original point.
	This was a very disturbing, certainly from a female point of view, that this took place on CNN.
	OK, I'm just going to come right out and say it.
	This is quite possibly the best minute and a half of audio we've ever come across.
	Well, come across it a long time anyway.
	A massive brawl in Anchorage, Alaska, reportedly involving Sarah Palin's kids and her husband.
	It was sparked after someone pushed one.
	So she thought it was so fantastic that.
	They just love the crazy Palin's.
	Wow.
	Isn't that very disturbing?
	It's very disturbing.
	What does this preoccupation stem from?
	Women...
	Again, of course, pushing the Democrat agenda.
	Yes, and what happened here is men were beating up on girls and women, and she finds this funny?
	I don't know what happened there.
	Are they possibly a bunch of Yahoo, Alaskan rednecks, whatever you want to call them?
	Yeah, maybe.
	But still, why would you find that so great?
	What kind of glee?
	It's really interesting how Sarah Palin went from a vice presidential candidate to this.
	I find it very...
	And women doing it.
	Men don't, except for the Martin Bashir, who said she'd been shit in her face or something.
	The guy's the creep.
	Yeah.
	I'm not okay with that.
	That's bullying, by the way.
	That's actual bullying that's taking place.
	But okay.
	I don't know.
	It's unpopular to saying, what, you stick up for Sarah Palin?
	Another interesting meme.
	Yeah, she's just a person.
	You know, whatever.
	You stick up for Sarah Palin.
	So, so, so tired.
	Well, I got a clip that may be kind of along these lines.
	Yeah.
	There's a female writer named Nazar Afisi, who is an Iranian, and she just finished a book called The Republic of Imagination, and she's an intellectual that has interesting commentary.
	And so she was on being interviewed by the PBS NewsHour, one of the guys that interviews at the end.
	Mm-hmm.
	And I just think this is some of the most interesting commentary.
	I want you to...
	It's not short, but it's not real long.
	That's good.
	Play clip one.
	Its author is Azhar Nafisi, who previously addressed them in the bestseller, Reading Lolita in Tehran.
	And welcome, Azhar.
	Thank you.
	So there in Tehran, in those years, literature was dangerous.
	Here, very different, right?
	The way I feel is that books are dangerous in their own way in every society, but the way we treat them here, the way we destroy them here is not through guns or bullets or jail.
	We just become indifferent towards them.
	Indifference?
	Yeah.
	You know, indifference is one of the most fatal weapons you can use because you don't see, you don't hear, you don't touch.
	Ray Bradbury says that you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture.
	Only get people not to read You know, I mean, they're almost sort of like flowers.
	They just wither and die if there are no readers.
	Okay.
	Yeah, she goes on and she, by the way, blames Common Core and everything else for this whole phenomenon.
	But she started noticing this in the 90s.
	And I think I've noticed it, too, where, you know, people aren't reading, even though I have to say Jeff Bezos has done more for readers than anybody.
	I agree.
	Complimented.
	Yes.
	And the Washington Post will be publishing forever, and he just wants people to read.
	Of course, it's good for his business, but I get the sense that he's a big-time reader, and people who are are very adamant about it.
	So let's play part two.
	Babbitt represents...
	This is the Dazzler II. You've got Babbitt.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	It was out of order.
	Yes, my mistake.
	Here we go.
	And I noticed it when I returned to America in 1997.
	I noticed it in the way they were being taught at universities.
	A lot of time in many English classes, not all by any means, they were taught as handmaidens to something political or ideological.
	What, books were handmade?
	Yeah, books were just used to promote some political agenda.
	And I noticed this too, the book reading lists that I've seen in college campuses are terrible.
	There's a bunch of propagandists, they don't have anybody reading the classics anymore.
	It's all kind of shot away from that.
	And typically there's always the professor's book is on the list, which is really expensive.
	Overpriced.
	Scam.
	And so in her new book, she breaks apart three famous American novels that have this ability to portend the future or at least predict what's going on today.
	And she talks a little bit about Babbitt.
	I want to recommend it as a really fun novel.
	It's a Sinclair Lewis novel.
	I think it was written in 1928 or so.
	And it was...
	Sinclair Lewis is the...
	He also wrote Not In Our Time?
	What is it?
	Yeah.
	Sinclair Lewis is one of our Nobel Prize winning novelists.
	Right, but what is the book that we've discussed before?
	I don't know that we've discussed Sinclair Lewis.
	Yes, of course.
	Come on.
	It Can't Happen Here?
	It Can't Happen Here, exactly.
	Yeah, that's what got him.
	When he wrote It Can't Happen Here, he got...
	A great book, by the way.
	Great book.
	It's a great book.
	Great book.
	Very entertaining.
	And he got thrown out of the intellectual elite circle because it's a book about liberals.
	And so that was the end for him in terms of that sort of...
	John Dos Passos, the same thing happened to him and other people.
	So I'm going to order this book right away.
	Babbitt?
	Babbitt is the name of the book?
	Yeah, Babbitt.
	It's a very funny book.
	She explains it a little bit, but then she goes into condemning some of the thinking that's in the book.
	Not the thinking that was written.
	It's the mockery of the thinking.
	In other words, he points out the foibles of this type of thinking.
	Lewis does.
	Great book.
	Play?
	Yeah.
	Babbitt represents, is more than anything else, standardization of thought.
	You know, his home, the way he speaks, all of them are according to a rule.
	But it is that standardization of thought.
	And in Babbitt, you know, it's almost, it will soon be a hundred years.
	Mm-hmm.
	Since that book was written, the standard for success, like now, is money.
	And even the way he speaks, you know, the way we talk about job creators.
	Right, job creators.
	But you take it further.
	So you look into our schools, you look at the emphasis on outcomes, on testing, on the common core, and you see something that is too much focused on utility, on jobs, Yes, and in Babbitt, his son Ted tells him, I don't know why we have to read this Shakespeare and them.
	And he said, read Shakespeare and them because you have to pass.
	That is his philosophy.
	And that is what I see in Common Core, is that it's a manifestation of an attitude.
	Yes, I agree.
	It is a manifestation of an attitude.
	Very good point.
	Yeah.
	And does she have a book out as well?
	Is there a book about this?
	Yeah, this is her book.
	This is the one I mentioned, which is The Republic of Imagination.
	And this is about America?
	Yeah.
	It's about her concerns.
	It sounds like a good book.
	I may get the book myself.
	I'll get a Kindle.
	You know, I have resorted to paperbacks.
	And it's only because I've noticed my own habit.
	Mickey has one of those paper whites that you really like.
	And I still have my original Kindle, which when the paper white came out, the original Kindles went for nine bucks or whatever.
	I can't remember.
	And I just find that...
	I don't know.
	On the Kindle, I get distracted.
	When I read a book, I typically will read it out in one sitting or in two sessions.
	And I can read very fast.
	And I don't know.
	For some reason, just the paperback, not hardcover paperback, just works so much better for me.
	Well, that's what you should get.
	Yeah, but it doesn't seem to be available in paperback yet.
	This book just came out.
	I'll get it in hardcover.
	It's in Kindle, too, but I'll get it in hardcover.
	And I just picked up Babbitt.
	Three bucks.
	Yeah.
	I have a collection of...
	I know this is a little effete, but I have a fairly decent collection of first edition Sinclair Lewis books.
	Oh, nice.
	And I have Babbitt.
	And they didn't get him for nothing.
	Sinclair Lewis has been marginalized for so long.
	Eventually he'll pick up in value, I think.
	But nobody cares about the...
	He's not promoting the democratic agenda.
	A question for you of a technology nature?
	Yes.
	I know you're a guy who would know this.
	But Mickey wants to do something.
	She has an art project with photography and she wants a projector.
	To project images on a wall that would be reasonably big.
	She doesn't want to spend a lot of money.
	How many lumens would she need, or could you recommend a particular device?
	The reason I ask is because it just pops up on Amazon.
	It depends on the environment.
	If it's in a darkened room, I still think you need over 2,000 lumens generally, and I think you can get some that are pretty high.
	Fairly cheap.
	She won't be using...
	That's a good question, because if she uses flash, she won't see anything.
	So she'd have to light it with no flash.
	And it depends on how big she wants.
	If she wants 100 inches?
	Probably.
	Yeah, then it's going to have to be in a dark room.
	At the garage?
	Yeah.
	Okay, if it's dark.
	Yeah.
	That would be fine.
	But she'll need some light.
	She'll have to have light because she's going to photograph with someone in front of it or something.
	In front of the screen and the image on her.
	Possibly.
	She's going to have to not flash.
	No, she won't be able to flash.
	Yeah, okay.
	She's going to have to go with high ASA and then she's going to have to get some fast lenses.
	Well, you know what she gave her to borrow, what they lent her?
	That Pentax?
	Oh, that thing.
	Do you remember the model number of that thing?
	Something like a 648 or some 600 series.
	52 megapixels?
	Yeah.
	Holy crap!
	Yeah, I know.
	You can see a bug on someone.
	A gnat.
	I mean, I took a picture of that thing, and I took a picture, and it looked like a picture.
	I'm stupid.
	I have no talent for taking pictures.
	It looked real...
	I mean, this thing is amazing.
	Yeah.
	Too bad she has to bring it back.
	Well, you know, she can save up and buy it.
	And there'll be used ones available that'll be a little cheaper.
	When they come out with the 100 megapixel model, that one will be available.
	Did you think...
	How many lumens?
	2,000 lumens, you said?
	I'm thinking 24, 2,000 and up.
	Okay.
	The more lumens, the more expensive.
	Yeah.
	It'd be nice to have $3,000, I think.
	And what resolution?
	Oh, you have to have...
	Oh, jeez, that's a good question.
	It's XG. You need the ones...
	There's a bunch of...
	There's some projectors now that are 1080p, but my experience is that a 7...
	What's the 7?
	I can't remember anymore because I don't use this resolution.
	720?
	720p, which is, I think most of these will do like 1080 by 7.
	It should be DLP or LCD? 1080 by 760.
	Or LMNLP? If you can get it, well, you're going to, you know.
	We'll talk about this later.
	You're no help.
	I mean, it's boring.
	You're floundering.
	That's why it's boring.
	It's because I have to go online.
	That's okay.
	I know you'll help us out.
	But it depends.
	720p would be fine, which is, I think, a 1080 by 768, which can turn into 720p pretty easily.
	Did you make anything of that Russian submarine in Sweden's coastal waters?
	No, but that seems to happen every 20 years.
	Did you understand anything about that story?
	No.
	The thing that I thought was funny, which, of course, I don't know if it's true, but it was reported in, was it, Foreign Policy?
	Swedish Navy continues to stalk the waters off the coast of its capital for a foreign, all but certainly Russian submarine.
	And the country's military brass on Tuesday sounded an exasperated note to describe the unsuccessful hunt.
	Notice the word hunt every single time.
	Yeah, we get it.
	Hunt for Red October.
	This is very serious.
	This is very serious.
	Sverker Göransson, the country's top military commander, told reporters, quote, I would even go so far to say as that's fucked up.
	What?
	Somebody's what?
	Yeah.
	It's fucked up, he said.
	A Swede said that?
	The top military commander said it's fucked up.
	Huh.
	And that comes from...
	Oh, we have audio.
	Or there's a video of it, I guess.
	So if we can get any of our Swedish...
	Do we have anyone in Sweden?
	Yes, we do.
	We have quite a few.
	Which I'm surprised.
	I'm surprised and shocked you have not already told us about this story.
	And if the guy said that, then hello.
	What does that mean?
	What am I supposed to make of that?
	I know, but now that you mention it, I'm going to start looking into it myself.
	Yeah, okay.
	The CEO of Total Oil.
	Okay, just briefly on this.
	First of all, reports about it being a light aircraft.
	Are you kidding?
	This is a Falcon 50.
	A TriStar, three-engine, beautiful plane.
	I've flown on one.
	Beautiful plane.
	Makes no sense to kill this guy.
	Well, yeah, sure.
	He said things about being, you know, we should be able to buy gas and oil products in euros, but at the set dollar price.
	I mean, sure, he said stuff like that, but if you want to get rid of this guy, why try to do it in the third largest airport in Russia?
	With a snowplow?
	This is not a good plan.
	And of course we really know absolutely nothing.
	We know nothing about what happened.
	We have no audio.
	We have no data.
	We just have nothing.
	The only thing is, it is quite annoying for the rest of, well, for the United States, certainly, and for the pro-sanctioned people that Total and Gazprom are, you know, still have a, what is it, 29?
	Maybe we killed them.
	Well, a $30 billion deal together working on fields in Siberia.
	You know, the sanctions are just bullcrap.
	But still, it makes no sense.
	Guy sounded like a hoot, by the way.
	Everyone says this guy was fun.
	Didn't eat a lot of sleep.
	Was always talking about world affairs and drinking.
	Liked to drink and hang out and talk until deep in the night.
	I like these kinds of guys.
	Yeah.
	And he went to see Medvedev.
	But just none of it makes sense.
	Well, we'll keep an eye on it in the background.
	Just for everyone to say, chew to the head, chew to the head.
	No, I don't think so.
	I don't see it.
	I really don't.
	I don't see it.
	I don't think so.
	It doesn't make any sense to me.
	Well, my most interesting story, and I'm going to finish this, maybe my last clips.
	Okay.
	This is the women freezing eggs clip, which I think is semi-disgusting as a story.
	And this is the intro.
	For decades, medical advances have made it possible for women to postpone or extend their ability to have children.
	Now, two big tech firms, Apple and Facebook, say they will pay up to $20,000 to allow employees to freeze their eggs for later fertilization.
	That decision has sparked a fair bit of conversation about the benefits, the risks and the choices women could face.
	Okay, so Apple and Facebook, and the reason, of course, is to sucker women into doing a lot of work because it looks like they have a career path, when in fact, if you look at the CEOs, and there's plenty of women CEOs from, I mean, there's plenty, and they're all in their late 50s.
	Mm-hmm.
	Just like most of the giants.
	Most CEO, male CEOs.
	More CEOs, males.
	There are a lot of them in the 60s and some in their 70s even.
	And these are the big companies, not the little companies.
	It's got, you know, a startup with a female CEO. I mean, Sheryl Sandberg's not a CEO for that matter.
	But she runs the place.
	Well, I really doubt that.
	But whatever the case.
	And so they brought on...
	They talked about this a little bit.
	They didn't get into...
	They had two people.
	One person thought it was a bunch of bullcrap.
	They shouldn't be doing this.
	And the other girl, though, is the one that I thought would be my last clip, is just one of these Silicon Valley-sounding women that uses the word opportunity too much and then even says awesome.
	And she...
	It's kind of the apologist for this idea because she wrote a book on how she had her eggs frozen even though she doesn't who knows why and then she and so she wrote a book on it she kind of defends this a little bit but it's so weak and she's so so terrible to listen to that I thought I'd end with this and freezing your embryos Sarah Elizabeth Richards you've written a book about this you've talked to women about this I understand you even had your own eggs frozen what are the advantages here Well, it's a great opportunity for women.
	The fact that these companies are covering it and the fact that other companies are now being influenced to cover it makes the option available for more women who wouldn't have paid for it on their own or didn't have the opportunity to pay for it.
	So they'll have more options in the future to have their own biological children, which is awesome.
	That said, this is really uncharted territory.
	The first wave of women who froze their eggs when it first became available about a decade ago pretty much froze because they didn't have a partner or because they had gone through a divorce or weren't in the right relationship.
	So they froze for love.
	Now we're seeing, you know, this being put out there as something, you know, would a 32-year-old freeze because she wanted to put more years in her career.
	So it is uncharted.
	We don't know how women will make those decisions in terms of planning their family and their work and their love lives and their dating lives.
	Huh.
	The other woman says, this is one of the most uncomfortable procedures.
	First, you have to take some pills to get a bunch of eggs, because normally you don't have them coming out fully formed.
	You know, it's like a chicken.
	And so you have to take some, and then you have to have them removed.
	She says, extremely painful and inconvenient.
	This is one of the worst things you can do.
	And doesn't see the rationale for it.
	The original rationale, of course, was that she mentioned.
	Not working for some company.
	And to me, for companies like Apple and Facebook to...
	And I see the hand of Sheryl Sandberg here.
	For them to promote this idea, I think, is borderline sadistic.
	Kind of sick.
	And offering false promise to women.
	I also don't understand.
	It's very...
	You can have a career and a child.
	If you have a partner, it's easier.
	Yeah.
	You can share burdens.
	I mean, this has been done before.
	It's not unheard of.
	No, and that's very interesting.
	Well, here's the question.
	How old were you when Jay was born, if you don't mind me asking?
	Let's see.
	I didn't think about it.
	I was pretty old.
	Let me put it this way.
	I was in my 40s.
	So, Patricia had Christina when she was 40, almost 41.
	And I think there is a difference between, and this is just me from my perspective, there's a difference between a parent who is closer in age.
	So, Christina's 24, I'm 50, so I'm twice her age.
	Her mom is 65 now.
	And the relationship is different.
	I don't know if it's good or if it's bad.
	I think that in the child-rearing process, my personal experience was...
	I found it to be somewhat of a negative from her mom's side in many things, mainly because of her being from a different perspective of the world.
	And...
	Well, one of the things they brought up in this discussion...
	One was women are more equipped to have babies, just their bodies, when they're in their late teens and 20s, as opposed to when they're 40.
	Well, of course you have the health argument.
	The counter-argument to that is kids born of older parents tend to be smarter.
	There's a bunch of documentation.
	I have a body of knowledge, a body of what evidence?
	An ever-increasing body of evidence.
	An ever-increasing body of whatever that says this.
	And the kids I knew in high school, I do remember this, the oldest apparentage was this one kid who was the smartest kid in the school.
	Okay, there's something to that.
	Do you feel that having a child at an older age detracted from your lifestyle?
	No, actually, my consideration is that it actually helped me, since I'm a writer, and somebody who's supposed to be commenting on society of trend analysis, I'm better off with...
	Of course, this is ending as Jay gets older, but I could keep up with stuff a lot easier.
	Luckily, J.C. still kind of keeps up.
	But you don't feel that it hampered your life?
	No, what I was going to do.
	I don't know.
	Playboy in Hong Kong.
	Well, how about for Mimi?
	Did she complain?
	No, she doesn't complain at all.
	How old was she when she had her?
	Eric is the oldest, so she was in her 20s.
	No, when she had Jay.
	No, she was like 39.
	But Eric, you know, she had kids all along, so it wasn't as though she wasn't equipped for it.
	And do you feel that, if you don't mind me asking, do you feel that you've produced a child who is going into a world where she has no chance of becoming anything because it's fucked?
	No, that's dumb.
	I mean, that is just dumb.
	If you were my age right now, Would you...
	If you had the opportunity, would you have a kid?
	I'd go to Hong Kong and be a playboy.
	That's what I'm thinking.
	Thank you very much.
	And with that, ladies and gentlemen, we have come to the conclusion of our show.
	Yes.
	I do want to play my Jacob Applebaum clip.
	Please.
	He was interviewed for On the Media.
	Which is...
	Inland Media is a pretty good show.
	I like listening to it.
	It has its moments, but it's also kind of, you know, a tool.
	Yeah.
	But he did not just submit to an interview.
	He had...
	What would you call it?
	He had some demands.
	Ooh.
	Which I found to be in context of Jacob Applebaum.
	Very interesting.
	Jacob Applebaum, the hacktivist from WikiLeaks, only wanted you to talk to him in a sauna, naked.
	He said he wanted to take a Sama and that's where he wanted to be interviewed.
	But later it occurred to me that, hmm, clever, that was one way to be sure I didn't have a concealed surveillance device on me.
	He was interviewing him.
	What would the guy jump to the conclusion about his concealed surveillance device?
	He's recording him.
	Yes, he was interviewing him.
	He was going to have a second read.
	He's going to be carrying a wire.
	It was just Jacob Applebaum's weirdo.
	Yeah, that would be my guess.
	He's a weirdo.
	He's just a weirdo.
	Oh well, fall for it as you will.
	Another possible clip of the day.
	But no.
	Well, thanks to the witch for at least getting me up and running.
	I'm out of steam now.
	The stand desk is down to sitting position.
	I have my elbows on the desk.
	I'm barely getting through this.
	Well, you sound like a pro.
	Well, the show must go on.
	It's astonishing to me.
	Well, I can do this.
	This is what I do.
	It's all that I do, and the only reason I can do it is because people support this program, and I appreciate it.
	Yes, and well, you should, and we do appreciate the support.
	Dvorak.org.na is where you can show your support.
	Anything helps.
	It really does make all the difference in the world.
	And we'll be doing it again for you Sunday.
	Who knows what we'll run into, but clearly this Iowa thing is...
	Iowa.
	I've got to play that as an end-of-show clip.
	What a moron.
	Good chatting as always, John.
	Always in the south.
	Yes.
	Barely surviving Ebola here in FEMA Region 6.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Kerr.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We will be back on Sunday.
	Meet me here, right here, on No Agenda.
	Chloe, let me go to you first.
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