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660: Clog the Pipes
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What's the worst that could happen for making these choices?
Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
It's Sunday, October 12th, 2014, and time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 660.
This is no agenda.
Bleeding from the upper lip, but it's not Ebola.
Here in FEMA Region 6, in the indispensable nation, the capital of the drone star state in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley, where I shave after the show, I'm John C. Devorak.
is Crackpot and Buzzkill.
Really?
I didn't know there was protocol, but you're probably right.
It's probably much smarter to do.
Yeah, you don't want to bleed during the show.
Yeah, it's hard to talk and dabble the wound.
I use a straight edge.
Not even a safety?
You use a straight, straight razor?
With the strops?
The leather?
Uh-huh.
Yeah, somehow I don't believe that.
Huh.
So what's this about you?
You cut yourself shaving.
You said offhandedly, casually, you're growing a beard.
This was a request.
By who?
By Ms.
Mickey.
That's curious.
Yeah, I thought so too, actually.
There's a big trend right now that I've noticed, and it's cropping up amongst the...
Douchebags.
Amongst the hipsters.
Yeah, the hipsters.
Hipsters.
The grow beard hair, at least, or beard, if you can't.
Beard's actually more in than that close crop thing.
And even Jolie O'Dell...
Has a beard?
Has a beard.
Heyo!
Well, that's possible.
Sorry.
Anyway, she had her husband, her beard, because she made a big stink about it.
Actually, I heard she did on the Twitch show that she only likes men with facial hair, and he, Aaron accidentally, or I didn't accidentally, but he cut it off, cut his beard off, because I don't think he likes having a beard, and she was irked at him.
Well, my beard, of course, is grayish because I'm gray, although I'm in transition on the hair.
You can color it.
Get some of the beard.
No, no, no.
The whole point is she thinks it's really masculine and manly, and she really likes it.
Ernest Hemingway.
Exactly.
That's right.
The old man in the sea.
The old man in the podcast.
The old man in the podcast.
Yeah, Ernest Hemingway.
No, she really likes it, and I was confused.
I said, really?
And so I got one of those trimmers, and I don't know if I like it that much.
It's...
Well, what difference does it make what you think?
Just do what the woman says.
Please go to my Twitter timeline if you need to see this.
Okay.
And see the retweet that I did from Mickey, and you will see exactly how the relationship is.
I think it's the most recent thing I retweeted.
I'm now live, more than air traffic.
What was that actual question?
You gotta look at the retweets, otherwise you won't see it.
I don't know how you look at the retweets.
You click up my profile and it says tweets and retweets.
It says tweets and replies.
I think you need to go to the other one.
I don't know.
Go to Mickey's Twitter then.
It's simple.
Yeah, I'll read it to you.
How do you do this?
I don't know how to work it.
Well, apparently...
Here's a picture of some girl showing her butt.
No, that's something else altogether.
Unless that's you.
Here it is.
Sunday Morning Wisdom, and she has a sign, a picture of a sign.
I'll read the sign to you.
If at first you don't succeed, try doing it the way your wife told you.
Uh-huh.
Oh, I see the sign, yeah.
Okay, I see that, but I don't see anything else.
But that's it.
That's the sign.
Well, the sign, I'm looking at the sign, but where's the picture of your face?
No, it has nothing to do with my face.
I'm just saying that's what you do.
This is how women are today.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And this was the reason why I'm a little bit behind, a little bit late.
We had a dinner guest last night.
Oh.
Producer Mark.
And Mark is not only producer of this program, but he is also a producer of a documentary, which I believe we have discussed on the show.
And the documentary is titled The Global Catch.
Which is about the tuna trade.
Okay.
And...
Wow.
So...
So we're planning...
We're working on a trip to Panama.
Right.
I keep forgetting about the...
The trip to Panama.
Somebody needs to do a jingle for that.
The trip to Panama.
Powered by science.
The trip to Panama.
Powered by science.
This podcast, by the way, is powered by science.
Yeah, exactly.
One is the Fethullah Gulen saga.
This is the holy man, as they say, the holy man who has been wholly holed up and has his compound in Pennsylvania where the CIA set him up.
up and you'll recall it was the Sarnoff, the Sarnoff brothers, sister-in-law, I think, who was married to one of the guys from the CIA who got Gulen into Pennsylvania.
And he's been there for a couple of decades.
And he is, he's been undermining Erdogan in Turkey for, for as, for just as, as many And he has all the charter schools.
You'll recall we've talked about this several times.
No, we've talked about it a lot.
Yeah, go on.
Well, and as you know, Mark is very interested in perhaps doing another documentary, which could possibly be about this guy.
And so we've shared a lot of different...
He's been very inspiring to me to look into what this guy is doing.
And he tells me about...
A documentary that's coming out, titled, Love is a Verb.
Then this documentary is about Fethullah Gulen.
And when you start to look into...
Now this guy, CBS, NBC, CNN, New York Times, no one gets to interview this guy.
No one.
But of course, this Terry Spencer Hesser woman...
Who did an Indiegogo crowdfunded raise of, I don't know, $120,000.
Of course, got a full-on interview, and only after she was taken to Turkey.
This is the way this guy operates.
Hey, come on in, we'll tell you about the interfaith movement, and we'll take you on a free trip to Turkey, and we fly you around, and then all of a sudden there's a documentary.
Let me play a little bit of the trailer.
For the movie, which is also exactly, well, it's almost the full pitch they use for Indiegogo.
This is the story of a man, a Turkish Muslim, a scholar, a preacher, and the global movement of social activists he inspires.
In 2013...
By the way, I apologize.
I didn't realize they had done really two separate tracks.
This is kind of lame.
Time Magazine named him one of the most influential leaders in the world.
Because of his influence, at-risk children are now being educated in hundreds of countries.
The sick are being treated.
And the starving...
Are you able to hear that?
Are you getting both channels?
No, all I'm getting is music.
You need to be able to hear it.
Sorry about that.
That's kind of...
Sound like a long intro to nothing.
No, there's one channel, there's a voice.
Let me see if this changed it.
This is the story of a man, a Turkish Muslim, a scholar, a preacher, and the global movement of social activists he inspires.
In 2013, Time Magazine named him one of the most influential leaders in the world.
I don't even recall that, that he was...
I don't either, but they have these lists.
It's one of those lists you sit around and you make up.
But wasn't Hitler a man of the year as well in Time Magazine?
Twice, I think, maybe.
Because of his influence, at-risk children are now being educated in hundreds of countries...
The sick are being treated, and the starving fed, often at great personal risk.
It's also because of his influence and the collective power of the movement that Fethullah Gülen is feared and even reviled in his native Turkey.
And as a Muslim leader of a powerful global movement, he is scrutinized in the United States, where he lives in self-imposed exile.
Self-imposed exile.
No, he was brought here by the State Department and the CIA, and he's been in this compound under their guidance.
Thank you.
Protection, guidance, etc.
And he is responsible for almost an overthrow of the entire Erdogan government because of all of the ghouliness that were inside the government, you know, with this huge scandal that's been going on for the past three years.
To explore this controversial holy man.
Controversial holy man.
And the movement of Turkish Muslims he inspires.
We're going to examine Turkish history and Sufi mysticism.
Now this is interesting.
This I do not believe is true, that now they're claiming he's a Sufi.
Which I'm pretty sure, and in this documentary they compare him to Rumi of all things.
The Sufis are interesting.
People don't realize until they start researching it.
I didn't believe it when I first heard it, but Ben Laden and many people in Al-Qaeda were all Sufis.
Well, that says enough then, doesn't it?
Yeah, pretty much.
And go to just a few of the places where these idealists are working to serve humanity in order to please God.
In order to please God.
Yay!
Listen to this.
Ah!
Okay, so that's part of, that's the trailer, and then here's, she has a little pitch, this Terry Spencer Hesser, who likes to let everyone know that she's an award-winning something.
Hi, I'm Terry Spencer Hesser, and this is Love is a Verb.
I was introduced to the Gulan movement in 2010.
With a free trip to Turkey.
I was an award-winning writer and television producer.
I like doing that.
Hey, I'm the award-winning Adam Curry.
Certainly you've heard of me.
How you doing?
Nice to meet you.
Certainly.
It's like that character used to be on The Simpsons.
And please meet my friend, the best-selling author, John C. Dvorak.
You have an award somewhere, don't you?
I have plenty of awards, actually.
Really?
What kind of awards do you have?
I just don't sit around bragging about it.
Hey, and I was an award-winning screenwriter.
I just found that to be a little strange.
You just don't say that about yourself, do you?
It's a verb.
I was introduced to the Gulan movement in 2010.
I was an award-winning writer and television producer, and they were one of the largest social movements in the world.
And really, nobody knew either of us.
It's insufferable.
What?
It's a woman.
I've got pictures of her on the screen.
She looks insufferable.
All related and not unimportant to see the connections.
We got to know the Turkish humanitarians who were influenced by the philosophy of Fethullah Gulen.
Which in the Netherlands and Germany, these schools have been closed by governments because they were madrasas.
Yeah.
And if you look at his charter school movement in the United States, which a lot of it's in Texas, but also Pennsylvania, At least $100 million from the government, our government, going into this and, of course, being shuttled through to his movement around the world to unseat or at least put the Erdogan government on alert.
A man named by Time magazine as one of the world's most influential leaders.
Before I began this project, I didn't really know any Muslims, nor did I make an effort to.
But I believe that in a post 9-11 world, you should know these Muslims.
And I think that if there's any hope for peace in the world, Fethullah Gülen's example should be followed.
This was a very expensive production, and one that we're finally in the finishing stages of.
I hope that you'll see that love is a verb and help us to introduce the Gulan movement to the world.
And they wanted $66,000 and got more than $100,000.
Good sales.
Well, no, I'm thinking something different.
I'm thinking this is...
Oh, yeah, I know what you're thinking.
This is the perfect way to do it.
Of course.
This is the perfect way to do all kinds of financing for, you know, backdoor financing for propaganda.
It's beautiful.
You'll see a lot of these films about presidential candidates, and it'll all be, oh, it's a Kickstarter.
Well, I think they chose Indiegogo probably because Kickstarter might be too sophisticated to scam them like this.
Come on, $102,000 in a couple months for a movie no one's ever heard about?
Where's that money coming from?
I think that's pretty obvious.
So one of the things she won was the Christopher Columbus Award for playwriting.
The Christopher Columbus Awards are some middle school thing.
I'm telling you, I'm looking at it now.
Yeah, I know.
Preparing for the Christopher Columbus Awards can fit easily into your plans.
Preparing a competition project is a great learning experience for students in science or social study classes, or for cross-curricular use in team teaching, or block scheduled classes as an after-school or community organization program.
So here's how some of the discussion started last night.
As I was reading the director's message, And it's interesting because we have seen this anti-Muslim Islam message from our president even, saying, hey, we have to have people stand up in the Muslim community and say, those ISIL guys, they're not us.
So maybe this is then the controlled counter message.
And here's what I took issue with, and we had a conversation about it.
In the decade after 9-11, says the director, the winner of the Columbus Award in high school, I was vaguely aware that it was not a good time to be a Muslim in America, nor was it a good time to be an American in the Middle East.
But for me, like for most Americans, this awareness morphed into specific and non-specific fears about Islam and the extreme interpretations of it.
Now, I disagree with this.
I believe the narrative that Americans had after 9-11 was Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Iraq, Saddam Hussein.
I think, if anything, it was steered away from the Islam fear.
Am I incorrect?
Mickey said I was wrong.
That's a good question.
I'm not going to say you're right or wrong at this point.
Thanks.
Well, that's not helpful.
Well, I don't have an answer to that because I remember that you obviously remember it, but I don't know.
I would actually maybe side with you, and I'll tell you why.
It's because they kind of went out of their way, bent over backwards, as it were, to accommodate the Muslims to the point where they were listening to everything CARE and these other organizations had to say.
And guys like Daniel Pipes, One of the strongest critics of modern Islamism was pretty much shut up.
He was shouted down in many instances.
I would say on some level you're right, and she's seeing it from a different perspective.
On some level she's right.
Now, she goes on, she says, then in 2010, I met a group of people from the Niagara Foundation, you might want to look that one up, who invited me on an interfaith trip to Turkey.
Now, the Niagara Foundation...
A free trip to Turkey.
Yes, and the Niagara Foundation is run by...
This guy, his name is...
He's also on the credits, of course.
Hakan Berberoglu.
And that's a Gulen-funded foundation.
Yes, it is.
In fact, if you look up Niagara Foundation on the Googles, the first thing that crops up besides them under the subheads, when they have those little subheads, they have Fethullah Gulen right at the top.
So it's his operation.
Yeah, so she did a documentary with his money.
About him.
Yeah, exactly.
She goes on to say, I am not...
Where's our gig like this?
She goes on to say...
Folk Brothers!
Hey, we're gonna do a...
Folk Brothers!
We need to go inside behind the Koch brothers' empire and find out if they are good or bad.
What great guys they are.
I am not religious, he says, but I am curious and jumped at any chance to see Turkey and to have an adventure with a culture that was foreign to me.
I looked at the...
What?
Is this what that woman said?
The director.
I looked at the trip as an opportunity to discover new stories to film.
That's a free trip.
Give me a break.
I never dreamed it would change my worldview.
What?
After the trip, I decided that others' worldview had to be changed as well.
Oh, why?
You will obey.
After a lot of reading, several more trips, and a lot of scouting and interviewing, we began our journey.
She has a lot of rugs.
She's done, uh...
Now, I... I believe she has certainly been nominated for an Emmy.
Maybe even...
She might have even won one.
She says she's won three.
But we don't know what kind of Emmys, because all Emmys are the same.
If you have a local news story that's really good, you'll get a local Emmy, but you can still say you're Emmy-winning.
I see.
The Report has an Emmy for doing that character on MSNBC when MSNBC had the site.
You get an Emmy for that?
He did a virtual character.
Never showed up at all.
And because of the...
Yeah, well, it was a very unique idea.
It was a...
Kind of a cartoon character that was on the set, and they gave him an Emmy for that.
Here it is.
About me.
Let me see.
At TerrySpencerHesser.org.
Terry Spencer Hesser, a published novelist, biographer, produced playwright.
That's what she got the award for in middle school.
Award-winning screenwriter and recipient of three Emmy Awards.
All right, now you just told me that Leo has one.
The Emmys have kind of gone down in stature.
Also, the local Emmys, or there's other kind of ancillary Emmys, are a different size.
They're not the big clunkers.
In fact, if somebody's won an Emmy, you have to ask them, did you get the big clunker, or did you get just one of these little ones?
I just got a little one, but it's still an Emmy.
Emmy nomination, McKinnick Island, the Mecca of the Midwest.
That sounds like a local Emmy.
A War on All Fronts, The Life and Times of Robert Rutherford McCormick, 2005.
That's an award.
Emmy nomination, Worried Sick, 2003.
Here is, but what's more interesting, I think, is her corporate work.
Wrote and produced multiple, award-winning again, individual programs and series for the Chicago Community Trust, Searle, Ameritech, Waste Management, Roosevelt University, Walgreens, Commonwealth Edison, McDonald's, Hewitt& Associates.
No, so she's one of those.
Nike, Gatorade, R. Kelly and Jay-Z, radiological physicians, Northwestern Hospital, chest physicians, Mars Candy.
Yeah, this is the industrial...
Right.
So she did an industrial paid for by Gulen.
That's the way I see it.
Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
And since she's done so many industrials...
She can sell it to Gulen.
Look, Walmart.
Look at my Walmart work.
Hey, how's Walmart doing?
Huh?
You want to be big?
Like, Walmart big?
You want to be a brand?
Gulen doesn't want somebody who's going to go in there and actually do a documentary.
It's a puff piece, and she's custom-made for it.
Here's a quick excerpt from the doc.
Although millions of people have responded to Fethullah Gulen's message of hope and call to service...
Turkey's secular establishment was not among them.
There was an image of Fethullah Gülen described by the state apparatus as a villain, as someone who is going to bring Sharia to this country.
Yeah, that's kind of the whole idea as far as I see it.
Someone trying to set up a Muslim republic.
He does not choose to be on TV. He does not choose to move around the country to give public meetings.
He does not even choose to meet with significant numbers of his followers.
He lives a rather monkish kind of life.
With a hundred guys up on the hill in this compound in Pennsylvania.
Monkish.
Monkish.
He is spiritually bonded to God himself.
How old is this?
What, this documentary?
No, no, this character.
Gulen, he's in his 60s, maybe 70s, I think.
Let's find out.
Book of Knowledge.
So this became a very interesting conversation because we really hadn't updated each other in several months.
And I think he's been up to the compound trying to get some footage and...
And, you know, we've had the FBI raiding some of these schools in Pennsylvania and Ohio.
Because the way I see it, me personally, Adam, you know, hey, comedian over here.
73.
A lot of this money is...
Maybe not just going to charter schools, and the way some of the charter schools are run is you have to question, as did the several EU countries, you know, what exactly is being taught in these countries, is it in these schools, is it in line with, is it common core, I guess, is my question.
And, you know, now he's making a move.
We've got this documentary coming out.
He's being compared to Rumi, which, I mean, I have a book by Rumi, you know, beautiful poems.
I just don't think that's a fair comparison, if he can even call himself a Sufi at all.
And it's interesting that you say that that apparently was what Osama bin Laden was, and I think that kind of says enough right there.
So then we move from this into, and I think I fucked it up.
We start talking about...
About men and women and about Muslims and I think Mark actually dove right in and that was pretty interesting because when Mickey gets into an argument this is how we met.
It's frightening.
What?
Arguing?
She's very aggressive when she wants to make a point.
And I always get caught off guard and I'm just never ready for it because she's good.
During the show, I know if you're going to argue with me, I'm ready for it.
But then you say, oh, crap, I don't have my show notes.
I don't have the book of knowledge.
I can't do anything.
And we got into a conversation about...
Is this why you're punished by having to wear a beard now?
This is correct.
Yes, it's a big part of it.
And we got into a conversation...
Which I believe is au courant right now, and I'm seeing the messaging.
In fact, I will play a Sarah Silverman clip, which is brand new.
You know, Sarah Silverman always does things which are hilarious, but they always have a political message.
Oh, hi!
I'm Sarah Silverman, writer, comedian, and vagina owner.
Women make up almost half the working population, yet we typically earn just 78 cents to every dollar a man makes in almost every profession.
Like doctors, lawyers, teachers, minors, and even the oldest profession of them all, tailors.
You see, like a streetwalker who's tailoring pants.
Ha ha.
Every year, the average woman loses around $11,000 to the wage gap.
Over the course of the working years of her life, that's almost 500 grand.
$500,000 vagina tax.
That's why I'm taking matters into my own hands.
Well, somebody else's hands, really.
Dr.
Goldstein.
Or is it Goldstein?
O'Malley.
I'm becoming a dude.
Okay.
So this is about...
This is where...
What we were talking about...
We were all kind of saying the same thing.
We debunked this bullcrap about the 70%.
It's actually now 78 cents.
But yeah, I want to revisit that briefly.
But we got into a conversation, I think Mark and I said that we were disappointed in the feminist movement, as I've said many times on this show, very disappointed in the feminist movement as to how little is being,
for the amount of time and effort and screen time that is spent on band bossy and this wage gap which we need to talk about, If you really want to advance women, and this was Mark's point, and I agree with him, you have to look at what's happening worldwide where...
Iran and Egypt 30 years ago, women weren't wearing burqas.
They weren't covered up.
It was a modern, progressive country.
Actually, in the 70s, Afghanistan was the same way.
Same way.
And I'm not going to say that we didn't have a hand in it, with the douchebags we put in place and the geopolitical game, but it's the mullahs and other religious nuts.
Fruckers who came in and really degressed and degraded women's rights in these countries, and I'm always surprised how little noise there is from the feminist movement, yet when you get this story, which is, of course, there is actual discrimination.
I'll give you an example.
Here's what happened just the other day.
This, of course, what is going on with my Mac here?
This is a CBS piece on the new CEO of Microsoft, Satya Nadella.
At a conference dedicated to women in the technology field, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella had some stunning advice about women asking for a raise.
It's not really about asking for the raise.
What are you ringing for?
Because it's hilarious.
But knowing and having faith that the system will actually give you the right raises as you go along.
Women should keep quiet.
Nadella then added that a so-called supernatural force will take care of the raise.
I think that's a little bit of twisting of his words, but okay.
One of the additional superpowers that, quite frankly, women who don't ask for a raise have.
Because that's good karma.
It'll come back.
In the long-term efficiency, things catch up.
Even the moderator, Maria Clave, a Microsoft board member, couldn't believe what she heard.
This is one of the very few things I disagree with you on.
The Twitter universe also lit up with tweets like, so what Nadella said was, women who want to raise, take a hike.
New Yorkers also chimed in.
And I'm pretty sure he wouldn't ever have suggested that to any of his male executives.
And wait for a friend of ours.
Women need to ask her what's rightfully theirs.
Nadella quickly went into damage control mode and backpedaled, claiming on Twitter his remarks were inarticulate and that the tech industry must close gender pay gap.
Later, he issued this statement to Microsoft employees.
I believe men and women should get equal pay for equal work.
And if you think you deserve a raise, you should just ask.
I think it was a surprisingly unvarnished moment.
Who was that?
Who was that?
What?
Who was that speaking?
You have to imagine that if someone within Microsoft was already concerned about treatment of women there, they might be feeling a little more concerned now.
Now, Microsoft released an internal diversity report earlier this week that showed that 29% of the company's global workforce are women, which represents a 5% year-over-year increase.
But guys, I can tell you, the critics are still not pleased after this.
That was Molly Wood, actually.
That was Molly Wood.
Oh, wasn't that funny?
They only find Molly Wood.
Well, we've got to talk about Naomi Klein.
Well, Naomi Klein actually came up in the conversation, because Naomi Klein, it's as if she listened to the last five episodes of No Agenda, and she's on her Facebook saying, hey, these beheading videos look bogus.
How come the mainstream media is not actually looking into the authenticity?
She's saying, hey, what's up with Ebola?
Is it possible that we're just sending people over, all these combat troops, to capture oil in West Africa?
What is she doing?
Listening to our show and then stealing our material?
But what happens is unanimously, particularly I see a lot of women going, she just checked into the crazy train!
She found a nut job, stupid crazy woman!
And this is where we had this kind of heated debate about how the feminist movement is very quick to cut down women.
Oh yeah, well there's a known fact.
And I'm going to assert, and I can actually prove my point, that this pay gap, which if you really, and we have debunked this, if you really look at the numbers and the reasons behind it, there is a pay gap, and I would say it's probably closer to 9%, and it's really how you present these numbers.
But, of course, it's the AAUW who are creating these, and they have $113 million, and I'll tell you why.
This organization is the American Association for Uniting Women.
They come up with these studies, and they say, well, if you take all women up to the age of 60 and all men, and you take the pay, you add it up and divide it by the number of people, then there's a huge gap, but there's a number of reasons for it.
Thank you.
Admit that there, most definitely there's discrimination.
Of course there is, and there should be no discrimination at all, but it's not 70, you know, it's not yours making 77 or 78 cents a dollar.
That is a meme that I believe is part of the strategy to, and you'll see soon that it's Republicans that are, of course, responsible for this.
It's a strategy to get women to never vote for a Republican, and I think I can prove that.
But here's where we had an interesting conversation.
I said, why is it I have not heard any women stand up and denounce the National Football League, force Congress to remove their tax-exempt status, which Congress can do with one stroke of the pen,
and truly force the commissioner to resign over a player in one of the richest sports in the world, Who cold cocks his girlfriend, and we saw it on video, slams her, drags her out of the elevator like she's a sack of potatoes.
And quite honestly, where was Molly Wood?
I didn't see her on CBS talking about that.
Where was the outrage?
I would join any woman for the outrage to tell the NFL to go pound sand.
But that never happens.
And this was, you know, it's disturbing to me.
Well, it never happens because it's not directed to happen.
Thank you.
If you'd be disturbed by anything, you should be disturbed by what I'm always disturbed by, which is that people are being led around by the nose, by, of course, the most, as we discussed about a year ago when we had the last Edelman event, where they talked about who do you trust.
It's essentially a...
A big PR company.
An examination of all the different types of organizations and individuals, media, police, the most trusted people in the world are NGOs.
Yes.
Non-governmental organizations, which are funded often by USAID and other corporations above it.
Who knows?
They always have an agenda, though.
And so the AAUW, which is leading this push about the 70-whatever percent...
77, yeah.
Yeah.
Is an NGO. And so they're, oh, whatever they say goes.
So they don't, since they don't bring it up, if they go to their webpage and see nothing about these football players pounding on women, then it's not an issue.
This is like we talked about in the last show of the New York Times and these other newspapers.
If they don't write it up, then your local paper, you don't write it up.
So this is horrible.
Let me, and I want to...
And I'm only doing this, this is not about whether women are still not equal in society.
We have a lot of work to do.
And I think that I, and I think that we are both huge proponents of women, and we've helped many women to accelerate far beyond us.
Far beyond us.
I don't think you need to start making excuses.
No excuses, but I do have women discussing this issue, because we're probably not, we will not be accepted as qualified.
But first, let's play a little bit of the State of the Union from the President to hear the What the real message was, which, yes, it's true what he's saying, but now we have an actual bill on the table, which I have some professional advice.
May not be the best thing for women.
In fact, it may counter what women are looking for.
But this is the messaging that went out in the State of the Union last year.
Today, women make up about half our workforce.
But they still make 77 cents for every dollar a man earns.
That's now become 78, apparently.
You've gone up one penny is the message.
That is wrong.
And in 2014, it's an embarrassment.
Women deserve equal pay for equal work.
Absolutely!
Woo!
Woo!
Standing ovation.
and deservedly so.
She deserves to have a baby without sacrificing her job.
A mother deserves a day off to care for a sick child or a sick parent without running into hardship.
And you know what?
A father does too.
It is time to do away with workplace policies that belong in a Mad Men episode.
This year, let's all come together, Congress, the White House, businesses from Wall Street to Main Street, to give every woman the opportunity she deserves, because I believe when women succeed, America succeeds.
So that is an excellent, excellent speech.
Everyone went wild, and it's a funny line about Mad Men.
I think we've progressed a little bit since the days of Mad Men.
But I wanted to understand the process of the Equal Pay Act.
Of course, we have the Lilly Ledbetter Act.
As an employer, you can get in serious trouble if you are caught.
In fact, women can today sue many years after the fact for back pay and other punitive damages if they can show that they were caught.
We're discriminated against in the workplace, certainly with compensation.
So this is not something that is very smart for any employer to do.
And I found a piece from Milton Friedman.
Now, do you hold Milton Friedman, the economist?
How do you...
What kind of...
I hold him in high regard, yes.
And he is...
During every economic 40-year era, this is kind of interesting, one of these guys will emerge, and they have every 40 years, going way back.
And...
Friedman was the guy who explained what happened in the 70s, which was the stagflation situation.
So he became the dominant economist.
And these guys, coincidentally, every one of them dies within their own era, so they can't really do anything about what happens wrong, which is, you know, we're having issues now.
Anyway, go on.
So he died in 2006, but he was the 1976 recipient of the Nobel Prize in Economic Studies.
So you have to agree that...
He's not a slouch.
And actually a very funny guy.
And he addressed, of course he didn't address this current bill that is being discussed, which would be regulations, more regulations, for equal pay, for equal work, for men and women.
And I had to listen to this twice.
I think we'll be able to listen to it once and then get through it.
This was a speech that he did at Harvard in, this has got to be I think late 90s.
About when this was already an issue, and so he talks about this, and then he gets a question from a female student, and then he elaborates.
And when you think about it, wow, the guy is smart!
Equal pay for equal work laws are a source of apartheid.
You know, the basic source of apartheid in South Africa was the insistence by trade unions on equal pay for equal work.
The women who go around today urging equal pay for equal work are being anti-feminist.
This got my attention, as you can imagine.
Yes.
Okay.
They don't intend to be, but that is the effect of their policy.
Because if there is any activity in which for any reason a male is preferable to a female, or vice versa, the only weapon the less productive sex has Is to offer to work for less.
And if you deny them that opportunity, you're assuring yourself that you're going to have all male jobs or all female jobs, all white jobs or all black jobs.
Now this sounds so counterintuitive when you hear it for the first time, but when you start to think and when he goes in to explain it again, you see the error of the thinking.
But aren't you also condemning him to stay that way?
Not at all.
Not at all.
The typical course, if you go back to American history, by taking these low-paid jobs, a great many people, not all, but a great many people were able to develop skills and activities, accumulate a little skill, a little capital, a little knowledge, improve their lot.
Become advanced in the stage, get to a higher level of productivity, and get a higher income.
That's been the typical way up the ladder for most of the people who came in here.
Was it way up the ladder for my parents, for your parents or grandparents or great-grandparents?
I don't know.
And that's the way in which, unfortunately, there's no way in which you can immediately propel people to the top of the ladder.
Now, get ready for his second explanation.
It really becomes clear.
Mr.
Friedman, referring to the statements that you made about women who advocate equal pay for equal work.
Gee, I thought I could arise out of that.
Delighted to have it.
By the way, there's guys in the audience, douchebags laughing.
They don't get it either until he really explains it.
Yes, okay, I just would like to know if you're insinuating or perhaps, you know, point-blankly saying that women and other minorities' skills are inferior to those of those now holding those jobs and that they need to go through a period where their skills need to be improved and therefore deserve to be paid less?
No, I don't think dessert has anything to do with it.
First of all, I think dessert is an impossible thing to decide.
Who deserves one?
Nobody deserves anything.
Thank God we don't get what we deserve.
That's a good line.
But I'm not saying that at all.
I'm saying a very different thing.
I'm saying that the actual effect of requiring equal pay for equal work will be to harm women.
If women's skills are higher than men's in a particular job and are recognized to be higher, the law does no good.
Because then they will be able to compete away and can get the same income.
If their skills are less for whatever reason, maybe it isn't because it's their sex, maybe it's because they were out of the labor force.
Maybe it's for other reasons.
And you say the only way you are able to hire them is by paying the same wage, then you're denying them the only weapon they have to fight with.
If the unwillingness of the men to hire them is because the men are sexist, are, what's the phrase, racist?
Misogynists.
Sexist pigs or whatever.
I don't think they had that word back then.
If that's the only reason they want to hire them, nonetheless, you want to make it costly to them to exercise their prejudice.
If you say to them, You have to pay the same wage no matter whether you hire women or men.
And here's Mr.
Sexist Pig.
It doesn't cost him anything to hire men instead of women.
However, if the women are free to compete and to say, well, now look, I'll offer my work for less, then he can only hire men if he bears a cost.
If the women are really good as a man, as good as a man, then he's paying a price for discriminating.
And what you are doing, not intentionally, But by misunderstanding, when you try to get equal pay for equal work laws, is what you are doing is reducing to zero the cost imposed on people who are discriminating for irrelevant reasons.
And I would like to see a cost imposed on them.
It was mind-blowing when I thought about it for a moment.
It's completely true.
The last thing you want is equality because then there is no penalty for hiring a man.
Right.
But no one ever thinks this conversation is not being discussed.
Because it doesn't fit into what the NGOs are telling people, how people should be thinking.
Well, let's listen to...
I mean, by the way, I want to mention that Milton Friedman was one of the promoters of what Nixon introduced, which never went anywhere, which is the negative income tax, which is...
Not quite what they're doing in Switzerland or what they're starting to do in Switzerland.
If you want to take a quick little...
Explain.
Of course I want to.
Play the clip that I have on Swiss...
Yeah, I got Swiss giving away money.
Play that so we get a little background on this.
The truckload, the proposed basic income initiative, arrived with a splash.
And the promise of 2,000 euro a month for every Swiss citizen, intended to let them live without basic financial worry.
Live without financial worry?
What?
What a great idea, says Elizabeth Nolan Brown, an editor at Reason.com.
No, it's a terrible idea, says economist Ed Stringham.
So...
Elizabeth, you've got to convince me.
Why is this a good idea?
People will just waste the money, and then government will say, well, you have to spend more.
Well, I think I don't know that I agree exactly with the plan that they have, but there are all different versions of this.
Even Milton Friedman proposed some version of this with a negative income tax, so it's not an anti-libertarian position per se.
And Charles Murray, my libertarian hero, wrote a book, A Plan to Replace Welfare State.
It gives everyone $10,000.
We've talked about this, the guaranteed minimum income.
There's a lot of conversations about this, right?
Yep.
Anyway, just as a aside, this is what Friedman was pushing, one of his many ideas.
And I have to say, when I look at our president's new initiative, which he calls the Creating Opportunities for Millennials, did you receive the emails?
No, I didn't.
You know, I have not been routinely opening the mails from Obama.
What's interesting is that somehow I'm subscribed to two different email addresses.
I think I've subscribed you to most of them.
Yeah, thanks.
Hi, Mimi.
Now that you're ready for Hillary, I have that one.
Thank you.
But what they're doing is they are sending the same message with different subject lines.
So they are A-B testing for opens and stuff, because I'm getting an interesting...
I don't know why I'm never getting this...
I'm always getting two different subject lines on two different at curry.com email addresses, which is...
Yeah, they are...
That's an A-B test.
They're doing A-B testing.
And if you look at the president's plan for millennials, it's all about getting you into debt as quickly as possible with the educational system.
That's the plan for creating jobs.
And no, it's the plan for creating debt slaves.
And my current thinking is that maybe this guaranteed minimum income is not such a bad idea.
At least you're not a slave to debt.
You know, people are going to be, you know, cannon fodder and worthless eventually anyway.
I agree with this 100%.
Every time I bring it up, it really creates a lot of argument because of the, just the knee-jerk...
Dian Randi-ism ideas that it can never be, but economically speaking, I think it's a better deal than most people, than what they can look forward to.
Yeah, and the nonsense that, oh, if you give people $2,000 a month or $10,000 or whatever it is that Stossel said in that clip, they're just going to waste it.
What makes you say that?
It's a stereotype to say, if you give some poor person $2,000 to sustain themselves for a while, that they're going to waste it.
So now I want to wind this up by playing a small piece which aired on the Wall Street Journal website.
Do they have a TV channel?
Is it just all video they're doing on the...
No, it's all online.
They do have a show every so...
There's a couple shows that are syndicated.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, they syndicate some stuff.
So this is a woman from the AAUW, and they are the ones that are propagating this 78 cents.
But when she gets deeper into it, even she can only show through, and she talks about the methodologies and how we do the research.
This woman can really only show a 6% difference.
Which is still, it's not okay.
I'm not trying to say, oh, because it's less, it doesn't make any difference.
Yeah, of course it's discrimination.
All over the world, for all kinds of reasons.
With all ageism, there's all kinds of discrimination, but certainly against women.
But then there's this other woman from the International Women's Forum, I believe.
And here's at least three women talking about it so we can shut up.
Joining me now is Erin Prangley, the Associate Director of Government Relations for the American Association of University Women.
Along with her today we have Sabrina Schaefer, the Executive Director of the Independent Women's Forum.
Erin, let's start with you.
Your group has been particularly vocal that the gender pay gap exists, that it's a problem.
How do you think these actions today could help?
Thank you so much.
The American Association has worked on this issue for a very long time, and quite frankly, we're thrilled, and we're relieved.
I'm sorry, this is because the president, was it Sarah, what's her name, the actress in a California...
And he was talking about, oh, we're going to get this done, we're going to get this bill passed, and, you know, we need to have more laws to force people into the equality, which, if you follow Friedman's logic, will actually hurt women.
It's a great step for women and their families across the country.
AUW research has shown that even accounting for all different factors, career, education, there is still an unexplained pay gap, which many believe is due to workplace discrimination.
Sabrina, I want to go to you.
In addition to these executive actions, the president is also pushing for the Paycheck Fairness Act in Congress.
You don't think these will actually make that big of a difference in advancing equal pay?
Why is that?
No, that's exactly right.
Well, first of all, all of this is premised on the faulty 77-cent statistic that women only make 77 cents on every dollar that a man earns.
Even the White House yesterday conceded this point that this is a gross overstatement when you control for any number of very important factors, college major, time spent out of the workforce, time spent in the office each day.
The wage gap all but disappears.
And so we want to make sure that we're not creating more legislation based on A, a faulty statistic, and B, that won't actually close the wage gap.
What the bill will do is pad the pockets of trial lawyers who will be lining up because women will be automatically filed into class suits.
There will be no cap on damages.
This will make it harder for employers to tie remuneration to actual work products.
This is a disaster and will have nothing to do to actually protect women or men in the workplace.
I think these are very good points.
I think she's right on the money.
It's amazing that somebody would come out with such honesty.
I want to mention something here because I had a clip some time ago to discuss this.
They were talking about certain women that are high profile.
You know, we talk about the glass ceiling.
There's a lot of stereotypes that are really back from the 60s that have, if you really start looking at it, have gone away.
The number of women CEOs in high positions in big companies, let me name a few.
The CEO of PepsiCo is a woman, the CEO of Kraft is a woman, the CEO of IBM is a woman, the CEO of HP is a woman, the CEO of Xerox is a woman, the CEO of Brazilian Petrobras is a woman, Yahoo, Disney, well, Disney is the ABC part of Disney.
WellPoint, the second biggest healthcare operation, Avon, General Motors, Time Inc.
I mean, you can go on and on and on.
Why don't these women take care of this problem themselves?
Well, this is an excellent point.
Where are they?
Where are they saying, we're fixing it?
I think they probably know.
I think they're smarter than this.
But this is not about women.
This is the point I want to make as we look into this AAUW. This is actually the most anti-feminist organization.
They are abusing women, misusing them to get people to vote for the Democratic Party in these upcoming elections, which is why this is taking place right now.
And they have $113 million in the bank.
In the bank, these people.
I want to talk about it in a minute.
Just listen to the rest of this, because this is a great conversation, and it's amongst women.
Thank you.
Erin, I want to go back to you, because we do tend to cite that 77 cents for every dollar that men earn.
Yeah, because you're being led by the messaging, which is all part of the system, which is how it works in politics.
And there has been a lot of criticism around that number.
What did you guys find when you dug into the pay gap?
Well, thanks for bringing that up.
You know, I think the 77 set number is actually not being used appropriately by some folks.
In fact, AAUW has done, in our most recent report, graduating to a pay gap, an apples-to-apples comparison of women and men just one year out of college.
And when you look at that, there's still an unexplained pay gap.
What is disturbing to me is those who would write off this gap as not significant.
Listen, a pay gap which affects your earnings is going to have a significant impact on your opportunities and choices.
Whether you go back to school, whether you can afford a home, a car, all of these issues are very real for young women graduating right now, this one year, who are making 7% less.
So now, this is the real number, 7%.
So that's a big difference from the 33% they've been talking, or it's 23% they've been talking about.
And 7%, it's still, it's inexcusable, but life is at first not fair, and it's a lot better than the madman days.
Now, if you go into an open-ended job, and you are offered the job at 7% less than the guys offered the job, and you take the, you know, in other words, you're offering, I'm offering you a job for 10 bucks, and the woman comes along and says, I'll do the job for $9.93.
Yeah.
And you, as the employer, say, okay, I'm going to hire the woman.
And the guy doesn't get the job.
I mean, it seems to me that that's the mechanism at work.
Lowballing.
Well, now you're agreeing with Friedman, of course, that this is the only way you can actually advance and move forward.
But the legislative route is a very...
By the way, look at these numbers.
We should start looking at...
Of course, we brought this up with Nadella.
Start looking at the Indian pay for programming with H-1B visas versus anybody.
How many old people work at Facebook?
How many programmers who are 60 work at Facebook?
There's plenty of qualified programmers who are 60 that won't get a job at Facebook.
Zero.
I bet you there's zero at Facebook.
There's probably zero over 50.
Let's try 40.
Now let's listen to the rest of this because these two women do finish.
I like this conversation.
I like eavesdropping on it.
Graduating from the same job, graduating from the same school, working the same hours, in the same industries and occupations.
So if you look at graduating to a pay gap and the methodology we use, you can see the pay gap is very real.
Alright, thanks for that, Erin.
Sabrina, I'm going to go back to you for the last word.
There have been some studies that just I would say when you control for education, when you control for the job, there still is some kind of a pay gap there.
What's your take on that?
Is there something that needs to be done?
Well, first of all, there is a very small pay gap, maybe four, five, six cents, some of which may be explained by discrimination.
Certainly, some of it may be explained by women's choices and women's behavior, things like We know, for instance, that women don't negotiate their wages as often as men do.
This can have an impact as well.
What we want to remind viewers is that there are already laws on the books, right?
The Equal Pay Act of 1963 and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 both protect women and men against faceless gender discrimination.
The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which the president is touting today, It allows women to sue for literally years after they might have discovered they were discriminated against.
So what we really want is to provide the tools to women to better themselves, to learn how to negotiate, to learn conflict resolution, to learn how to get that corner office.
This law won't do that.
This law will simply pad the pockets of trial lawyers.
Well, that's not correct.
This law addresses inequities.
Erin and Sabrina, we're going to, sorry, we're out of time.
We're going to have to do this.
Shut up.
Shut up.
Shut up, slave!
We're done.
We're out of time.
This, by the way, bothers me more than anything else.
Yeah, I know.
It's totally not okay.
Here's the AAUW with current net assets, $119,968,000.
This is the woman who is talking about the pay gap and how we need to do things.
They have a lot of money.
Received $10.5 million this year.
Of course, we can't really tell where it's coming from, but I will tell you what they spend it on.
Their top three programs, outreach as a core organizational function, includes the programs and activities that communicate with members and the general public in order to advance equity for women and girls through education, philanthropy, and research implemented at the national and local levels.
So they're a lobbying group, and they're very, very well-funded, clearly.
And what I thought was interesting is how they spend some of this money.
I like looking at these Form 990s because it's funny things how they run this business.
I wanted to ask you what you thought of this.
So first of all, they put $11.5 million of their money into the Lighthouse Diversified Fund.
They also have about half a million dollars in mineral rights under the investments and securities part of their form.
Now, it's okay.
It makes sense for them to invest.
But the Lighthouse Fund is very funny that they would do that because it is formerly the Monroe Partners.
All of the former Monroe Partners are in there.
And if you look at who Monroe was, Monroe Trout Jr., who I believe has passed on now, but he was a complete Ayn Rand objectivism fan.
It's pretty much the opposite of what the AAUW would want to be or want to be known as.
It's very interesting to see where they're putting their money.
But the way they spend it, and you tell me if this makes any sense to you, John.
Here we go.
So fundraising activities.
They have one fundraising consultant in Arlington, Virginia, and they spent $174,665, and that resulted in zero gross receipts from the activities.
That's just a consultant.
Then they had telemarketing membership development from Gordon and Schwenkmeyer Inc.
in El Segundo, California.
They raised $78,611 and they paid for that fundraising drive $76,604 and net result $2,007.
This seems like a bad deal.
Yeah.
I mean, how does that work?
It didn't work out.
Well, here's another one.
ComNet Marketing in Medford, Oregon.
Gross receipts from activity $42,765.
They paid to the fundraiser, this marketing group, $46,491.
They lost $3,726 on the deal.
How does that work?
People sent money.
$46,000 was sent in.
And then the guys who made the call took all of it.
That's pretty common, by the way, in boiler rooms.
Well, they were hoping they, you know, they have developed a pitch.
They went to the boiler room company, these marketers, the telemarketers, and they went back and forth with what can you do for me, what we can make in.
The boiler room guys, as usual, would promise the moon and deliver nothing.
I see it differently.
I see it as these guys have a Rolodex, and they're going to call someone Outside of their activity, and here's my bill.
It's $76,000, and we'll raise some money for you, but really, we're just taking your money for you getting access to the $10 million you did receive.
Because if you look at the total gross receipts for their name and for their fundraising activities as listed on their tax form, They raised $160,325 and they paid out to the very people who raised this $160,000 $343,831 a net loss of $183,506.
I'm saying maybe you shouldn't fundraise.
Well, the argument against that is you get your name out there and it's like brand advertising where you just put the brand name on it.
Sure.
I'd just like to know where the other $9.5 million came from.
They don't tell you.
It came from the direct sales.
I mean, that's where you get the guys.
Direct sales.
Direct sales.
It's direct sales is what it amounts to.
It's where you go to the various foundations that dole out money.
We talk about them all the time.
If we started making a Rolodex, we'd have a big one.
And we talk about them all the time on the show.
And you go to them directly, and they give you, here's a check for $100,000.
Here's a check for, okay, we like what you're doing.
Here's a check for $250,000.
Those are the big money.
And then the little money, which is they're trying to...
They can't seem to get it because their pitch is no good.
I'm more inclined to think their pitch sucks.
Well, anyway, end result, I would implore the women and the feminist movement, and I believe I am a feminist.
I am very...
What?
Go on, it's bullcrap.
What's bullcrap?
I'm a feminist, I'm a lesbian.
I see guys do this all the time, and it's just a kiss-ass commentary.
Go on.
Sorry, it just bugs me when somebody says they're a feminist and they're a guy.
It's for women only.
It's a women's only club.
Hello?
Well, what can I call myself?
I'm a promoter of women?
Sympathetic, maybe?
Sympathetic to the feminist movement?
That's fine.
Okay.
I'm sympathetic to the feminist movement.
Okay, that's good.
I like that.
And I want you to be aware that you're being duped by a bunch of people who only want you to vote Democrat for their own good.
They do not care about you.
You know, we have...
This is a common theme.
I think we could probably do half of our stuff as just a...
You're being duped.
They're trying to screw women into voting Democrat, and it's working!
And...
Yes, the Republicans are stupid.
They don't know how to do this.
They're completely dumb.
They're flat-footed.
I don't think they're stupid.
I think there's a couple of things going on.
One, I don't think they're noticing.
Yeah, that's even worse.
I don't think they're literally stupid.
I think they're naive.
They're not noticing.
And the side, and the activists in the Republican side, which I would include people like O'Reilly, who is a Democrat, let's say Sean Hannity.
How about Limbaugh?
Sean Hannity and Limbaugh are good examples.
They are clueless.
And they're leading, and they're also, I don't know, there's a bunch of things.
I listen to these guys, and I'm always thinking, they're so, they're kind of, Arrogant about it to a point, which is also, I think, annoying to women.
Because arrogant men are not well-received, I think.
I think I'm right on that.
Yeah, I don't know.
All I know is that there'll be left and right every time you turn around.
The Republicans expect to take the Senate in this next election.
I don't think they're going to do it.
Everybody says they're going to do it.
I don't see it.
I think they're going to get sideswiped once again because they don't know what's going on in the culture.
So I would just say, just to wrap this up, that I saw the video of what Ray Rice did and I was shocked.
Shocked!
I've never hit a woman.
I know what it's like to be hit in the face.
None pleasant.
I've not been knocked out, but I certainly saw stars like in the cartoons.
And that that has just been papered over.
And that there is just no...
Absolute outrage about that, yet let's go after the equal pay when the atrocities against women are so rampant across the world.
It has to be for everything.
It can't just be yelling about the pay gap.
I don't want to sound racist here.
that black people are Democrats.
And so this issue with this black guy punching out a black woman should not be brought to the fore because it would not help the cause of getting women to vote Democrat.
Yeah.
So it will never come up in the conversation. - Okay.
Not that we're going to fix this, but I did want to at least play Milton Friedman.
I want people to hear these two women having this conversation because the actual...
I have not seen the text of the bill, but the actual bill seems like it would not help women.
And the narrative that is being presented by people like Sarah Silverman, and although it's funny, you know, vagina tax.
Ha ha ha!
It does not appear that the solution is going to help you.
And if anything, you are being manipulated.
Duped.
Duped into something that may not be advantageous to you.
And that's it.
I think you've made your point.
I think I have too.
Please don't make it again.
Ever again soon.
I'm going to show my salute by donating to no agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that.
Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
Yeah, yeah.
Cheers!
I just wanted to make sure that, you know, this was a long conversation.
It was very, you know, when men and women, these conversations are going to be held.
And I think that everyone deserves a little extra information that you're not getting.
I don't know.
What the fuck do I know?
I'm just saying this is some information you might want to have.
Do you, did you get it?
Who won the argument?
Okay, you had you, Mark.
Who else was at this little dinner?
Just you and Mark?
Mickey, at our house.
And who else?
No one?
Oh, Mark came over as a solo?
Mm-hmm.
Maybe he's expecting like a threesome or something?
No?
Hello, everyone.
I'm just asking.
I didn't cross my mind.
I'll talk to him about it.
We are going to Panama with the three of us on a sailboat.
Now I'm worried.
Thanks.
Let's introduce the idea.
Oh, a sailboat.
We're going to...
Over the side with Adam.
Come on.
Let's make our own someplace new.
Hello, Natalie Wood.
He went...
He was angry.
he left in the rowboat and we never heard from him again.
Yeah, I'd be questioning, I'd be, yeah.
That's bullcrap.
He's a lawyer, by the way, our friend Mark.
He's a lawyer.
All I want is when I see what's going on in the news and what laws are being presented and I hear the messages being propagated because it's very compelling.
Sarah Silverman says things.
It's a very compelling message.
Yeah, luckily a lot of women don't like Sarah Silverman, so that's the plus side.
But just having some basic information is part of what we do, no matter how uncomfortable.
No, I'm not arguing about it.
I think you did a fine job.
I liked it.
All right, move on.
Hello, everybody.
Thank you very much.
The basis, I still wanted to figure out this.
I didn't know about the threesome.
There's no threesome!
There's no threesome!
Well, it will be on the boat.
We're going to the indigenous people of Panama, which Mickey hopes to photograph.
Wouldn't you want to take the train or go through Mexico or somewhere and get a lot of photos?
You can only get there by boat.
You can't get to these places any other way.
You can take to Panem, that highway that goes all the way down to South America.
These are islands, John.
Oh, you're going to islands?
Yeah, there's a whole separate state, their own state.
I didn't realize this part of the story.
Oh, jeez, I better take out some insurance policies.
Sir Mark Workman.
You didn't say in the morning.
Hey, what I want to say is thank you for your courage and in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
In the morning to you.
I was so confused I played the Beatles jingle, which you don't even do.
You're a mess.
I am a mess.
I would be, too, if I was taking a boat to the middle of nowhere.
For a threesome.
In the morning, all the ships and sea boots on the ground.
Feet in the air, subs in the water, and the dames and the knights out there.
I want to thank Sir Mark.
Wait, let me thank everyone in the chat room.
We've got to do it properly.
And let me thank our artistes.
Oh, yes.
Which includes...
I want to forget the artistes.
What happened to my...
Here it is.
Martin J.J. had the artwork for episode 659.
I don't think he's been on in a while, has he?
I know!
It's about time.
And we look forward to what will come up for this episode.
660NoAgendaArtGenerator.com I thought somebody would come in with a 660 donation, but no.
Well, we had a 660 plus 6.
Yeah, I guess that counts.
Sir Mark Workman came in today from Dayton, Ohio.
He was now a baronet for $789.10.
Never really explains why this number.
And he sent a note in.
And all it says is he'd like the Hillary Delicious...
Then the little girl don't eat me, and I would assume, although when you assume, you make a, you know what, a karma after that, and he has a name for what he wants to be the baron of, but I'm not going to, I'm going to put it aside, I'm not going to read it, because he doesn't want anyone stealing it, so I think he wanted this to be private.
It's almost too delicious to believe, my friend.
Eat me, Hillary Clinton!
You've got karma.
Very happy to do that.
Thank you very much.
Since he wants to be a baron of a place, but baronet would be...
Could we give him baronet of the place and then he would have it locked in?
Well, you're in charge of the peerage.
Yes, I would think so.
I know I'm in charge of peerage.
Well, let's give him baronet of Galt's Gulch.
I thought someone already had Galt's Gulch.
I don't think so.
Is somebody baronet right in if they do?
Hmm...
Because he wants to be the Baron of Galt's Gold.
Yeah, I can't even say it.
Galt's Gold.
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Traveling on the East Coast, I'd like to take the special double 666s.
66-0-66 plus $6.00 is my club 660 plus show 666 double producership and starting donation for my daughter's damehood titled to be determined.
I hereby challenge the No Agenda Nation peerage and listenership to provide at least one double producership for this and the next six shows.
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Boom shakalaka.
ITM karma to all those who need it and deserve it.
Douchebag call out to the same.
Those that need and deserve douchebag baggery.
Keep up the great work and the best podcast in the universe.
Well, let's give out the...
He wants...
It's not really how it works.
But he wants a douchebag call out to those who deserve it, so...
Douchebag!
Happy to do that.
And then here's your requested combo.
What's that?
That was the wrong...
Where'd that come from?
Here we go.
In the morning!
You've got karma.
Ah, yes, that's where it came from.
I got it.
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Please!
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You know why the show's been on a roll, don't you?
No.
That's how we roll.
That's how we roll.
Yeah, you're right.
That's how we roll.
A little bit of karma, of course, out of the Grand Duke, as always.
Happy to do that.
You've got karma.
Ayo!
Now, this note I received, it was 1.30, I get into bed, Miss Mickey's already asleep, and I'm just reading through, you know, I always have to do a couple emails, but by the time I leave the studio, get into bed, there's another 30 emails, which, let me just say something right now.
I keep forgetting to do this.
If you want to send me a link or something to look at...
Here it comes.
You should record this.
No, this is new.
Tweet me.
It is much more effective, much more efficient.
Do not put me on your email list for all your buddies.
No.
No, no, no.
Twitter is Adam Curry.
It is so much more efficient that I can respond.
Other people can see.
Now, you're also limited because people are like, let me tell you my life story.
And here's a link.
I don't always need your analysis.
And then the link.
Just send me the link.
If you have something...
Now this is interesting because you've been complaining about this.
Because I can't keep up anymore.
You used to say, don't just send me a link.
Send me some reason this link exists so I can decide whether I want to click on it or not.
Now you're saying just send a link.
I'm saying something different.
I'm saying I want you to be limited to 140 characters to explain why I should click on this link instead of me having to look at the subject, open it up, read this, click on the link.
And sometimes these links don't work, and I have to go find...
Just, please.
Adamcurry.com slash FAC. F-A-Q. I don't have that.
Twitter.com slash Adamcurry.
And then other people can also...
Okay.
It's important.
So I'm reading this from our Viscount of Tokyo.
Viscountess.
Does she call herself Viscountess?
I guess she does.
I just start giggling.
I don't know why.
1.30 in the morning is why.
And Mickey woke up and says, what's up?
And I go to sleep.
Why are you giggling?
Don't worry about it.
I'll tell you tomorrow.
I got an email from Dame Astrid.
Oh, read it to me.
I thought it was, I liked the note.
Oh, read it.
Thank you for my good health.
She throws us a trough of threes.
3-3-3-3-3.
Thank you very much for my good health.
The endorphins accumulated through laughter while listening to No Agenda get me through life with a refreshing breeze.
I most enjoy the sawing sound clip.
This is where I started to giggle.
I'm doing it again.
Uh...
Occasionally I do some DIY and saw off 2x4s.
Yes, even dames indulge of a bit of the therapeutic sawing.
But now I look at a piece of wood and all I can think of is...
And her head is gone.
Tell me about this sexuality.
It's in your DNA. It is scary and wretched and miserable.
It is gross.
And her head is gone.
Please give yourselves a big karma shot.
May the mainstream media keep you inspired.
And comedy show running.
Daymastered, Viscountess of Tokyo.
Thank you very much, Daymastered.
You've got karma.
Indeed, that was 333.33 from Daymast.
Stephen Agar-Hoodie.
Agar-Hoodie.
I don't know.
Get a shot at it.
314.59 from Southampton, UK. Very brief note to request some job karma as I approach the last few dollars before achieving knighthood.
And a birthday shout-out from my fiancée, Sue, who is celebrating her birthday on the show day.
Carry in, carry on with the best value-for-value dollar podcast in the universe.
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Back to you in the studios.
Steven Agar-Hooty.
Agar-Hooty.
Pronounced Steven like Steven, not Stefan.
Agar like my-gar, my-gar, not agar.
Agar.
Agar-Hooty.
Okay.
Yeah, well, good work.
I don't know what the hell it is now.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs!
Let me finish another line.
It's huddy, not hootie.
So it's agar.
Agar huddy.
Agar huddy.
This is what I said, agar huddy.
We'll never get that right.
I said agar huddy.
I knew I was right.
I knew I was right.
Agar huddy.
Steven, thank you very much.
Sir Thomas Nussbaum in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
You know about that.
Nice town.
Oh, yeah.
24106.
My birthday is 13th October, along with the we don't have on the birthday list.
Yes, I'm pretty sure we do.
Is that not yellow, what he has there?
I don't see yellow here on mine.
It's a lighter yellow.
I will say that.
Okay, well, it's different.
Is he on the list or not?
I'm going to go check.
My birthday is the 13th of October along with the United States Navy.
This now makes me Baron of Hampton Roads.
Oh, that's nice.
Baron of Hampton Roads.
This is like the area where the Monitor and the Merrimack had their big battle.
Yes, he is on the list.
It was the beginning of the end for old-fashioned ship warfare.
I may assign the honorary title such as sheriff and magistrate to the seven cities of Chesapeake, Hampton, Newport News, Norfolk, Portsmouth, Suffolk, and Virginia Beach.
Wow.
Much love to all the No Agenda crew, John, Adam, Mickey, and Mimi.
Thank you to Nick the Rat and Martin JJ to keep the cover skills up.
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*laughs* I love that clip.
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23456.
Hooray!
From Sir Norman, Happy Canadian Thanksgiving.
If you get this on time, may I have a stuttering Obama, Porky Pig?
Well, there you go.
And anything from Al Sharpton.
Of course.
Let's do that.
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That's all for us.
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There's no real conflict!
Okay.
Yes, that's our show, ladies and gentlemen.
Vladek Zinni...
I can't get his last name on there.
Vladek Zelenici.
What did you get?
Did you get a special note from him?
No, no, just general purpose karma.
Oh, we're happy to do that.
Absolutely.
Coming at you.
You've got karma.
We need a pronunciation guide for that one.
Yeah, the Polish news.
It's actually not that hard, but we just don't have the right reference book in front of us.
Finally, last but not least, is, if I can get the thing back, Chris Perry in Silver Springs, Maryland.
$200.
You asked.
I delivered, by the way, a teensy karma for a nice job back in California.
I get aid well in the DMV, but this shit is killing me.
Hey!
I made another round.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs!
You've got karma.
I think what it is is he gets paid well.
That's what I thought too, yeah.
Yeah, he gets paid well in the DMV, but the crap doesn't like the job.
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Those are the facts of this world.
And you will all surrender to them.
You pigs in human clothes.
Blue chocolate.
And those, of course, are, as I explained to Mark yesterday, he's...
Explain what?
The credits.
They're real credits.
They're just like Hollywood credits.
And he's an actual producer of an actual movie that you can find on iTunes and Netflix.
Yeah.
And he's a producer of the show.
It is no difference.
He puts both on his resume.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, does he ever donate to the show?
Yeah, that's why he's a producer.
Yes, he's definitely donated to the show.
Does he put it on his IMDB or his LinkedIn?
I believe he has it on his business card.
Oh, that's good.
All right.
Whoa, okay.
I didn't mean to lead us all off into that thing, but it was just something different.
Yeah, it seemed to be eating at you.
Just to remember, this show is powered by science.
Powered by science.
In case you were wondering.
Okay.
Oh man, there was...
It's been interesting to...
This Ebola thing is just...
It's so out of control.
I got no Ebola clips.
I have...
Do I have any?
I think I do, actually.
This is so out of control.
What do I have here?
I have...
Yes, this is a woman from the World Health Organization, Dr.
Eileen Marty.
And she was interviewed for, I don't think this was a TV show.
This was some web thing, like Vice or Vox or whatever it is.
And she has come back from West Africa.
Before we even get into that, I have a question.
They always say this thing has no borders.
Ebola knows no borders.
Strangely enough, it's in Nigeria, which is pretty much not West Africa.
So it did know how to jump into that border.
But if you look at the most recent news from this week, Cote d'Ivoire, the Ivory Coast, has now resumed its flights to countries struck by the Ebola virus.
Now, the Ivory Coast went through its little issues a year or two ago.
And I think we've straightened all of that out, and there's no more political...
We've fixed it.
We've fixed the Ivory Coast.
And if you look at the Ebola outbreak, it stops at the border of the Ivory Coast.
Why is it not spilling over into the Ivory Coast, and why are they resuming their flights back to their neighboring country where there are huge outbreaks?
Why would they do that?
Because it's bogative?
That would be pretty much what I'm thinking.
And there's this map.
I think the Guardian has a map.
It's in the show notes, so I'm not quite sure where this comes from.
But you can see the Ivory Coast just has nothing.
It has no Ebola.
But it neighbors on Sierra Leone.
Where is this?
Here it is.
Distribution map.
Who makes this map?
Let me take a look at this thing.
Oh, CDC. There you go, CDC. So you have Guinea, which has...
They got a little piece of the action there.
Then Sierra Leone, Liberia.
And then it just stops at the border of Côte d'Ivoire.
It just stops.
How is it possible?
It's not really at the border.
On this map it is.
There's a few cases inside the country.
I'm looking at the map.
It's not like it puts up against the border.
Okay, let me...
I'm going to put it into the Skype window right now.
You go take a look at it.
This is from the CDC. And you tell me that it's not right up against the border.
Exactly what I'm saying from the CDC. The people who are telling you about this danger.
Do you have the link?
I've got something beeped at me, and now I've got to find where the link cropped up.
They've changed your experience.
They've upgraded your experience again on Skype.
Here, I know what to do.
I got it.
And this says 2014 Ebola outbreak in West Africa.
Ebola.
The outbreak distribution map.
Now you tell me that it's not right up against the border.
So what?
But that's the point.
Oh, actually, that's not true.
Look, there's a little bleed.
That's just because whoever made the map couldn't color inside the line.
No, no, there's bleed.
So it's not up against the border.
There's bleed.
Oh, not a lot, John.
There's not a lot of bleed.
Oh, it's creeping.
I think that's the impression they're trying to give us, that it's creeping past the border so they can prove their point.
So your point is null and void.
Okay.
All right, fine.
I'm null and void.
Well, your point is, not you.
Dr.
Marty, Dr.
Eileen Marty, who just came back from Nigeria, even says that she's baffled.
The whole World Health Organization is baffled how this can happen.
She does have some answers to it.
But she starts off with the way to shake hands in Africa.
This bump.
Not even.
It's the Bluetooth.
So first, and so of course this is visual.
What, they're selling phones now?
Is that the idea behind the whole thing?
You wait until you hear it.
Move some phones?
So first you touch elbows, or kind of elbow, what is the, your forearm.
You touch forearms.
Then you do the Bluetooth, which is a fist bump that doesn't touch.
But also, kissing on the cheek would be even less dangerous.
Just listen to this.
Very interesting, very interesting one.
What we were doing in Africa and that I found that what we were doing in Africa was extremely effective as a public health measure, not just for Ebola, but for many, many other diseases that we're communicating to each other all the time.
Get ready for it.
This is going to be...
The president will be doing this pretty soon with Michelle, the Bluetooth.
Can you show me how you...
Sure, it's just this.
Just like that.
It's like that, yes.
And it's very friendly, you know, actually.
A little bit of pushing, you know.
A little pushing, you know.
It's actually very intimate.
We do this.
Touching elbows.
Very intimate, this touching elbows.
Why don't you just do a little simple wave or do a hip thrust?
I think that's the way we treat each other from now on.
We do the Bluetooth.
I was just winking.
Hey, girls.
No, hip thrust.
No, you don't touch.
Oh, you don't touch.
We don't touch.
Bluetooth.
Just like that?
Just like that, yeah, exactly.
And do you think it's going to become cool in the United States to do that?
I sure hope so.
It would be great.
It would be great to switch from the handshake into...
Which we've been doing for thousands of years, thousands of years.
To something that is going to reduce all kinds of infectious diseases.
So no kissing like we do in the Latino community?
No kissing!
I love kissing, don't get me wrong, but a little less, you know...
Tongue?
You know, when you kiss on the cheek, that's actually less dangerous than holding hands.
Because when you grab somebody's hand, your fingers are likely to touch mucous membranes from which you can bring in organisms.
When you're talking to people and they get close to you and they want to shake hands and you sort of move back, do they say, oh...
This doctor is too rude.
Back off, Dracula!
What?
Back off, Dracula.
You don't mind?
Well, I just tell them why I'm doing it, and I laugh, and I explain what's going on, and most people understand.
I think you're right, John.
I think your idea of a hip thrust is much more fun.
Yeah.
It would be universal.
Everyone could do it.
Everyone knows how to do it.
Is it a pelvic thrust?
Yeah, you thrust like you're doing the old Austrian hug.
You just give one of those.
Can you also go like James Brown?
Yeah, you should make the noise.
Hit me two times.
It's an educational moment.
Yeah, it's an educational moment.
So you were in Nigeria.
You were supposed to go to Sierra Leone, but then you ended up going to Nigeria.
Correct.
What do you see in Nigeria?
Now, listen carefully what she's saying.
What is the first thing you'd expect her to say about Nigeria?
People bleeding from the eyeballs, puking, dying everywhere, horrible.
Tremendous poverty mixed with some areas of wealth.
But the vast majority of the population is incredibly impoverished.
Even in the major cities, there are open sewers, a lot of pollution.
But I also found a population of individuals who were extremely eager to assist the international community in helping to get rid of the epidemic in Nigeria.
Why did it happen in West Africa?
I wonder, would these people who were so willing to assist the international community, were they willing to bring freedom and democracy to the country as well?
Is that part of what they're so incredibly excited about doing?
Well, I was watching some France 24 coverage, and it's really they're more interested in getting a paycheck.
Yeah.
I also think there's just elites who are ready to take over the country.
And all of the oil that's there.
It's already taken over the country.
I think we need to cozy up to them.
Nobody knows why Ebola ended up in this outbreak in West Africa.
No one knows how it got to Guinea.
Because it's never been there before.
Not discussed a lot, huh?
Now, one reason that has been thrown out there as a possibility, and it's a real risk in that...
That's exactly right.
You know why?
You know how the bats...
Global warming.
That would really put the cherry on top of it, but no.
There's bushmeat involved.
One of the problems...
And let me tell you, whenever there's bushmeat, I'm right at the front of the line, ladies and gentlemen.
...is that animals can get sick with Ebola.
And there's a tremendous desire to eat, for example, bats.
They think bat meat is delicious.
I did not.
We have bats all over Austin.
We are so going to die.
Have the bat restaurant.
You know, you can make your money and make your millions by opening the bat restaurant in Austin.
It's the bat bushmeat restaurant as far as...
Yeah, bat bushmeat restaurant.
But once again...
I'm your proprietor, Adam Curry.
Somehow we're able to blame it on bush.
It's amazing how they do this.
Cheers.
Did you try it?
No.
No?
No, and I'm not that brave.
But, so bat meat, so if someone transported an infected animal, and it's not the carcass, well, the carcass is a danger until it's cooked.
So uncooked carcass of an infected animal.
Don't lick it!
From, say, somewhere in the Congo, where this has been described before.
This is ridiculous.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
It's not as though they don't have their own local bush meat.
Bush meat.
He said bush meat.
It's mostly monkeys, by the way.
That's bush meat.
I never heard of them eating bats.
So for all of the...
The smartness that I heard from producer Mark yesterday, before he left, he said, I don't understand.
I'm so worried about Ebola.
And I'm like, Mark, when's the last time you listened to our show?
Yeah, it's been a little while.
I said, dude, you've been propagandized.
And I explained the whole Smith-Mundt act, and he was pretty blown away by that, of course.
Have you seen one person, one, one person bleeding from the eyeballs with blisters, puking on camera?
No.
Have you seen more than five people in rain slickers with ski goggles?
No.
Where is the epidemic?
All I see is people who have it getting out of ambulances on their own power.
I see so-called children with Ebola walking around and laying down for the camera.
It's crazy.
You know, the one untold story, which is nobody's picking up on our media, but I ran into it on France 24 again, is that the Russians...
Who probably realized that this is a weaponized agent long ago.
They have three vaccines that are ready to roll out.
Oh really?
I didn't know that.
Yes.
Russian Ebola vaccines.
Or Ebola.
Ebola.
Where's our Ebola chick?
Hold on a second.
Ebola.
Good questions at the State Department briefing.
Unfortunately, it's not the Matt and Marie show.
Jen is back.
Oh.
Yeah, Psaki's no fun.
But she can't answer the question.
Yeah, I agree.
And Matt also, other guys are picking up the slack now.
You know, Matt's just pile-jumping.
He's not even starting stuff off.
But this was a good question that she can't answer.
She got kind of testy about it.
He's lovesick.
I have a question about the Ebola policy.
Yesterday, Secretary Kerry said that the U.S. would like to see airlines continue to fly in and out of the three countries in Africa that have been stricken by the virus and want borders to remain open.
At the same time, Dr.
Dr. Thomas Friedman, the director of the CDC, said that about 150 people per day are entering the United States from those countries and that the policy going forward is to check them when they arrive to see if they're asymptomatic and to question them to see whether they'll admit that they had contact with someone with Ebola.
If they're asymptomatic and they don't say they had contact, then they'll be allowed into the country.
And, of course, Mr. Duncan did not admit to having contact with the person with Ebola, and he was asymptomatic when he arrived.
Freeden's explanation of that policy seemed to be a sort of cost-benefit analysis.
The American people were getting a greater benefit, both In financial terms and also in terms of our ability to fight the virus.
I'm sorry, do you have a question?
Oh, boy, facts are annoying, aren't they, Jen?
Fight the virus at its source and the price that we might pay by letting people into this country without going through an incubation period from those countries where people are suffering from Ebola.
So my question for the State Department is...
What?
Who is this idiot?
He's just one of the press corps.
Don't worry.
His question is valid.
He's saying, what good is this if you have 150 people a day coming in?
I don't think there's any direct flights, by the way, from these countries, but okay.
Coming in, shouldn't you just quarantine them all if we're that worried about it?
Look at all the fear.
You should quarantine them because you can't trust them to tell the truth.
If you have global entry, you're just passing right through.
This is a very valid question for those of us who have been scared into believing the bullcrap.
When measured in terms of American lives that might be affected by this, American lives lost or permanently altered by Ebola, is there a point at which that cost-benefit analysis tips?
And it would be seen as a mistake to have let people travel here without a quarantine period.
Is it one American contracting Ebola?
Is it five?
Is it ten?
This is a very good question.
So since we're not doing quarantine, we're not really shoring everything up.
We're just scaring people by showing you pictures of pointing a gun thermometer at your head.
Okay, you're good to go.
Oh, we trust you.
Because it's not true.
All of this is just not true.
I'm just not believing it.
He's saying, you know, so what is it, five Americans that die because of these policies not being airtight?
It's a valid question.
At what point would the policy have to be reexamined and seen as imprudence?
Well, one, I think what you're referring to in part is some of the new announcements that were made by the White House or are in the process of being made about measures that are being put into place to screen over 94% of passengers.
Well, 94%?
That doesn't sound like enough.
Arriving from Ebola affected Western African countries.
We continue to take steps and evaluate what steps that can be taken to, of course, not only protect American citizens, but continue to do everything we can to address this outbreak.
And I would also note that Dr. Frieden has also made comments that by isolating these countries, it would make it harder to help them.
It will spread more there and we'd be likely to be exposed more here.
So there are reasons for finding ways to address...
You know what I'm going to do?
I'm going to get me one of those...
They're not hazmat suits.
They're just like Breaking Bad.
You can just get one of those blue.
I'm just going to go shopping in the H-E-B with it.
I think it would be very...
Let's see how people respond.
Well, you know, I told my story before about sitting next to the person that had the mask on in Southwest flight.
Mickey and I are both going to be in these suits.
We're just going to fly that way.
What's your problem?
I'm afraid of Ebola.
You'll get thrown off the flight.
I don't know about that.
I do know about that.
You will be.
Why?
Because I want to protect myself?
Some passengers will object to you being on the flight like that, and you'll be thrown off.
Where can you buy these?
I'm sure that they have them on eBay, don't they?
The real hazmat suits?
No, I want the fake ones that those guys have.
That's just a raincoat.
Maybe Amazon Prime has it.
Let me see.
If I just do Ebola hazmat suit.
Who knows?
And yes!
DuPont large yellow Tychem QC chemical protection coveralls.
$19.99 with Amazon Prime.
That's a steal.
Get them.
Order now.
Click.
Now here's the one you want.
This is it.
$215.
The Tychem BR Hazmat Suit Chemical Protective Clothing.
Oh, it's a size medium.
I need it large.
Attached gloves and booties, zipper front closure, and removable hood.
This thing looks dynamite.
And look at this.
I've got to send you this link.
Okay.
This looks dynamite.
The guy has...
He's holding a sign, a traffic sign that says slow.
This is pretty interesting.
You can also get it in gray.
This is a pretty good deal.
Oh, I like the guy holding the sign that says slow.
And you can get the 3M full face piece.
Reusable respirator.
I'm doing this.
I'm going to try it first at the HEB. I'm just going to walk around.
Take it to the farmer's market.
They'll be laughing at me.
They'll get the joke.
Look at the pictures on the side.
This is a dynamite outfit.
I don't like it as much as the ones they're using with the underwater goggles.
Well, it's not underwater goggles.
It's ski goggles.
It's the Univax.
The ski goggles, those.
Yeah, but you want to have...
It has the big giant...
This actually looks like it'd be useful.
It might actually work.
Well, on that note, the...
And here's your problem.
Here's your problem.
They have the booties go...
The plastic goes over the shoe so that you walk around just for a few minutes and you're going to wear a hole into the bottom.
Oh, right.
You've got to find something that's more like the ones that you don't have to worry about that when you have boots on.
Actually, you could put the boots...
Okay, it looks like the thing has got a...
They are wearing Tyvex.
I have it here.
That's the brand.
I'm looking at the...
It has got a pant leg, so you can put a shoe under it.
Yeah, you don't need that yellow stuff on the foot.
Now, check this out.
USAID has done a crowdsource initiative.
Let me find the actual news.
They went to a funding operation, USAID, because they don't have enough money?
A grand challenge for development.
Here it is, USAID. Ebola virus has infected thousands of people in West Africa.
The alert has been sounded by governments of Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone.
Not the Ivory Coast.
And the world is scrambling to respond to curtail further suffering and bringing this epidemic under control.
As President Obama said yesterday in the United Nations, Ebola is a horrific disease, blah, blah, blah.
In response to this challenge, every day in hot, humid, and extremely difficult environments, healthcare workers in Ebola-affected countries are performing critical tasks that save lives and prevent the spread of the virus.
Personal protective equipment, which is known as PPE, offers critical protection, but also is the greatest source of discomfort and stress for the workers.
While PPEs protect healthcare workers, they cannot be warned for more than 40 minutes in hot climates, severely limiting the time healthcare workers can care for their patients.
In response to this challenge and the unprecedented Ebola outbreak, USAID is partnering with the White House Office of Science and Technology, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, other U.S. agencies, and the government of Sweden to lock them...
Is Tyvek from Sweden?
I'll bet you it is.
No, it's from DuPont.
And the government of Sweden to launch Fighting Ebola, a grand challenge for development to help healthcare workers on the front lines provide better care and stop the spread of Ebola.
And they're asking it to come up with a better hazmat suit, and the prize is $1 million.
Hmm.
Interesting.
Maybe that's what this is all about from the get-go.
Why Sweden, though?
Hmm.
Why Sweden?
Why would the government of Sweden care?
Let me see.
Hmm.
Isn't that interesting?
And there's guidelines.
Kind of interesting.
Yeah, there's guidelines for the challenge here, and we can see if we can participate.
Okay.
No, this is just a guy.
You can't be an employee.
Okay.
It's like a contest.
That's strange.
But I think one of these hazmat suits, I think that's the deal.
Mickey has one!
What am I talking about?
She's got a blue one.
What is it for?
Where'd she get it?
What's going on over there?
We're in Austin.
She has one.
She uses it for a spray painting project.
Yes, I can use hers.
You got paint all over it.
No, and it's blue.
Oh, this is great.
I am so going to try this at the HEB. Let's see how people respond.
Just driving around, just going to the drive-thru at the bank.
Hey, I want a positive check.
Nobody thinks you're crackpot enough.
Okay.
Anyway, I'm highly skipped.
I got this breaking, so I want you to tell me what the deal is.
Hold on, a nurse has just contracted Ebola in Dallas.
Oh.
Breaking news.
Is that right?
That's what CNN is saying to me right now, I'm afraid.
Well, they've got to wear those uniforms.
Four ISIS terrorists arrested in Texas in the last 36 hours.
Oh, no.
How could I have missed this?
I don't know.
What were they doing?
Judicial Watch, Islamic terrorists, have entered the United States through the Mexican border, and Homeland Security sources tell Judicial Watch that four have been apprehended in the last 36 hours by federal authorities in the Texas Department of Public Safety in McAllen and FAR. This is good!
Caliphate!
Excellent!
We are rocking the caliphate in Texas, everybody.
Nice.
I'm not...
Intelligence officials said they had picked up radio talk and chatter, indicating that the terrorist groups are trying to carry out an attack on the border.
I got a tweet from someone.
He says, you know, you guys just make fun of all this, but you wait.
You wait until ISIS is here.
You wait.
You'll be talking.
You wait until you're sick with Ebola.
This is the show?
Apparently.
And he believes in crap.
And you play down Ebola.
Will you just wait?
Okay, I'll wait.
More chance of being killed just driving to the store before I have to even put my suit on.
You just wait.
You just wait.
Those ISIS guys are coming over, although their big push now is to take ISIS off the table and run this phony baloney Khorasan group.
Do you see this really happening?
That seems to be more and more of a push towards it, which is strange.
Yeah, they want to do an event in the United States.
Our government, probably.
Who else?
Wants to do an event, and they're going to blame it on somebody.
And the way things are going, they don't want to blame it on ISIS or ISIL. Right.
Right.
So they have to find somebody to blame it on.
That's how they got the Corazon.
The Corazon operation has all these elements where they say, well, they've already got a plan in place.
We've known fact.
Right.
And all these things.
So something's going to happen and it's going to be blamed on these guys, but not ISIL. Because for some reason we want ISIL to keep doing what it's doing, I think, which has probably something to do with the overthrow of Assad.
Right.
Well, I think that's our overall analysis, is that has to happen.
But now we know we've had the F-22s were striking Syria.
Because we saw all kinds of cool footage of it, of the planes.
Not really doing anything.
It's just, you know, it's just stock footage.
Did you see what we sold to Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates?
Another beautiful sale.
Two sales, actually.
I have it here.
We have number one.
When you do this, you have to apply for a permit.
You can't just...
Here it is.
It's the Arms Export Control Act.
$1.25 billion.
And that includes $500 million of other.
I love that.
So this is guided enhanced missile.
Patriot, flight test target Patriot as target.
Also included PAC-3 telemetry kits.
Patriot automated logistics systems.
What are you going to do with this?
So that's $1.75 billion.
Which is what a lot of this is about.
Which I think I saw.
I didn't get a clip.
I think Panetta said somewhere that this will be a 30-year war against ISIS. Yeah.
And here is to the United...
30 years of more arms sales to the boneheads in the Middle East.
Here's the United Arab Emirates, which...
Now, is that Dubai and those guys?
Are they in...
Yes, Dubai.
There's a bunch of them.
Dubai is the main one.
Bad Chad, who always is scouring the Federal Register for us.
Let's see.
Transmittal 14-4.
Notice of proposed issuance.
Here we go.
High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems Launchers.
How much is this for?
This is for $900 million.
Oh, man.
That's cheap.
Could have made a billion.
This is $400 million of...
Oh, this is great.
It's $900 total.
$400 million is for major defense equipment, and $500 million, the majority, is for other.
Huh, what do other is?
And that's a, um, so what do we have there?
We have almost $3 billion of sales.
Good work, everybody.
Yay!
Which is what a lot of, yeah, this is what a lot of, what this is about.
Hmm.
So I saw this piece, I think this was on 24, but it's obviously watching that this week.
This is the clip, Kurdish anger.
Now this is, you're talking about them blowing up that little city up at the top of the...
Kobani, which I think is just a reason to draw Turkey into it.
Well, or something, but one thing they're doing, if you listen to these guys, they're turning, they're trying to make the Kurds, the Kurds are like part of the big piece of this puzzle, and I think they're trying to get, I mean, we've already discussed this because of the oil, but...
By the way, who is big friends with the Kurds?
Vitella Gulen.
Oh, interesting.
Why don't we play this?
The state supports the extremist Islamists by giving them weapons.
The Turkish state think you can get rid of the Kurds, but they'll never defeat us.
Is this what they think of us, the Kurds?
They've destroyed this town.
Helicopters keep watch from above, while on the ground, armoured personnel carriers patrol the streets for much of the week.
The security crackdown is aimed at putting a lid on the unrest.
In response, the Kurdish population has changed tack.
Their protests now are smaller and more mobile to avoid major confrontation.
Here, as night falls, a raucous din rings out, echoing the Kurdish anger that's close to boiling over.
Okay, what's your take on this?
They've got it set up so the Kurds are blaming the Turks for everything.
Uh-huh.
There's the Gulen connection.
Yeah.
It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out because we're not getting that sort of perspective in this country, I know, and I don't know how many Europeans are, but obviously the French, because they're the ones that did this report, but...
I thought that was kind of interesting.
I'm thinking that, so the way I see Kobani is the idea is to draw the Turks, and the Turks don't want to do this, and they're in NATO countries.
Then you get Article 5 and all this stuff, and then a whole bunch of other things get triggered.
And, you know, it's been on the verge of falling for, what, two weeks now?
And it's just not happening because the Turks are just not taking the bait, and they're not jumping in to go do something.
Because once you do that, I think once they take up arms against what is happening, I think that's when all hell breaks loose.
What else could it be?
Well, besides that, there's a pipeline running right through it, which is minor, minor, very minor.
Everyone on CNN... This town has no strategic importance at all.
But we've taken a couple runs at the Turks.
We did, you know, at that park that there's all the protests and that looks like that was going to work and that didn't work.
And now I think that we've given up on doing any internal stuff because we don't have the skill set for the Turks specifically or things aren't that bad that people really are upset like we could get the Ukrainians to do our bidding.
So we can't do it with the Turks.
So now I think we've turned it over to the Kurds.
And just inciting them.
Let them go in there.
We'll give them weapons.
And this would make sense that at this very moment we have this documentary coming out.
Right.
Yeah, the blowjob documentary.
Hasiography, I think, is what you would call it.
But blowjob documentary works for me.
That's what's used in the media.
The news business, that's what it's called.
A BJ doc?
It's called, you know, if an article is written, that's just a puff piece about somebody.
It's commonly referred to in the business as a blowjob.
Here on CNN, I'm watching, we have helicopters flying over the Ted, the live, flying over the hospital in Dallas.
And the lower third is containing the first Ebola outbreak.
Because nurse has Ebola.
Mickey, if you're listening, could you please put on your suit?
And I can take a picture and just tweet it.
Don't worry, friends and family, we're safe.
This is insane.
People are just being made crazy.
This is the number one thing that's making people crazy now.
Yeah, I hear about it.
Ebola.
The Snowden documentary was screened in New York.
I don't know anything about this at all.
Yeah, Citizen 4.
I have a little trailer, if you want it.
This is the Laura Poitras documentary, and I do want to discuss some of it.
The main thing is, this documentary was made.
It's a two-hour documentary, which I think is too long for any documentary.
No longer than 90 minutes.
Right.
And his girlfriend is apparently living with him now.
Yes, the story is that she's the stripper girlfriend.
Pole dancer.
Who was kind of left out of the picture.
No one ever went to find her.
Nobody decided to interview her because it wasn't part of the...
Or her friends, or her family, or her parents.
She's living in Malibu or something, and then she...
Hawaii.
She was reassigned to Moscow by whoever's her handler, and now she went.
And they're living, and so all of the shots, all the PR shots, I'll call them, Snowden is wearing his glasses with the missing nose pad.
We know that when he's being looked at candidly, he does not wear his glasses.
When he's out in Moscow and someone gets a shot of him, it's always without his glasses.
This is Brand Snowden that he is propagating, and here is a bit of the trailer from the movie.
Very cybery.
Laura, at this stage I can offer nothing more than my word.
I am a senior government employee in the intelligence community.
I hope you understand that contacting you is extremely high risk.
For now, know that every border you cross, every purchase you make, every call you dial, every cell phone tower you pass, friend you keep, site you visit, and the subject line you type is in the hands of a system whose reach is unlimited if it safeguards or not.
In the end, if you publish the source material, I will likely be immediately implicated.
I ask only that you ensure this information makes it home to the American public.
Thank you and be careful, Citizen Four.
Citizen Four.
I work for...
This is the first meeting with Grant Greenwald and Poitras in Hong Kong.
What is with this music?
It's drama, ma'am.
It's drama.
Come on.
Reach is unlimited, but whose safeguards are not.
In the end, if you publish the source material, I will likely be immediately implicated.
I ask only that you ensure this information makes it home to the American public.
Thank you, and be careful, Citizen Four.
Sorry, I don't know anything about you.
Okay, I work for...
Sorry, I don't know who your name is.
Sorry, my name is Edward Snowden.
I go by Ed.
Edward Joseph Snowden's the full name.
You're ruining it.
That's not possible.
Very interesting, this movie.
Now, this was bankrolled.
This sounds horrible.
Bankrolled by participant media, which is, of course, Jeff Skoll.
S-K-O-L-L, to be discussed in a moment.
Executive producers, two of them are the big kahunas at HBO. And then there's Steven Soderbergh.
Oh, brother.
Why do you say this?
Because?
Why?
He's a hack.
Explain.
I'm just saying.
Look at what he's done.
He does propaganda films when he does anything outside of actual fiction.
Let's look at what he's done.
And even with fiction, I think he probably does propaganda.
Well, let's take a look at his...
You're quite an accusation there.
Well, maybe I'm wrong.
Let's take a look.
Let's take a look.
And the way we look is...
Consultant.
So the first thing he did was a full-length concert for the band Yes.
Okay, films such as Kafka, King of the Hill, The Underneath, Grey's Anatomy, Sex, Lies, and Videotape, oh, Aaron Brockovich, Traffic.
What else then?
Where's the hack?
Aaron Brockovich?
Yeah, I agree with that.
Hmm.
The more interesting name that I found on this executive producer list was...
You shot the epic thriller Contagion, another one.
Oh, yeah.
Tom Quinn.
Hunger Games?
Is that also Soderbergh?
Yeah.
Yeah, he's a propagandist.
I like Tom Quinn because Tom Quinn is really known for all of the...
Little video vignettes that they play on the Oscars for the nominees.
If you look at his credits, it's the Oscar-nominated short films animation, Oscar-nominated short films documentary, Oscar-nominated short films live action, Oscar-nominated short films animation.
So it's very smart to have the guy who puts together the packages for the nominees for the Academy Awards to be one of the executive producers.
I think that's, you know, if you get a nominee, a nomination, then he might spice it up a bit.
Make it look better.
Works with Clooney a lot and Matt Damon.
So here's my question to you.
Jeff Skull, why does he get such a pass in this?
Whereas, well, we have been vilifying Pierre Omnicar Drive My Car.
Well, you mostly.
And I believe rightly so.
How do you spell skull?
S-K-O-L-S-K-O-L-L. S-K-O-L-L. Do we need to put him on our list of guys to vilify?
Yes, because he was at eBay.
He lives in Woodside, for God's sake.
eBay and PayPal.
So he is partners with Omidio, yes.
And a lot of his money is still tied up in eBay slash PayPal.
And so he should also be on the chopping block for the WikiLeaks shutdown of PayPal.
But he now gets to be Mr.
Hero.
And he, of course, also did Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth and all these other great movies.
So he's getting some kind of free pass where I think he's...
No one's brought us...
He's a low profile.
That's the reason, I believe.
I mean, you have Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, this guy, and Mahomedar.
So there's four guys that came out of that thing, and they're all going in different directions, doing their own thing in some way, shape, or form.
But this is very close to Omidyar, because Poitras works for Omidyar, and he's financing the Poitras movie.
Well...
I find the whole thing to be...
He has and runs the Skoll Foundation, which he gave.
He became a billionaire because of eBay.
And so he gave it all to himself in the Skoll Foundation as though it's like some sort of a donation.
The foundation supports social entrepreneurship.
Skoll chairs the foundation and today makes grants in excess of $80 million per year.
The Skoll Foundation also ranks as the largest foundation for social entrepreneurship in the world.
$30 million to the Alliance for Climate Protection campaign, so he's a climate guy.
Oh, yeah.
He did Inconvenient Truth.
He's a big climate guy.
Yeah, duh.
The Producers Guild of American Visionary Award, he won that in 2009.
Time Magazine, he got the 100 People of the Year 2006.
Wired Magazine, Rave Award.
Whew!
National Leadership Award for the Commonwealth Club in Silicon Valley.
The outstanding...
This guy wins a lot of awards.
Yeah.
Skull is the...
Which means he gives a lot of money away.
Skull was the commencement speaker and just awarded the Honorary Doctor of Law degrees from the University of Toronto.
That's the best he can do there.
Well, when I look at Bran Snowden...
Finance the Gandhi Project.
When I look at Bran Snowden, who showed up on yet another...
You know, some conference.
And this is like, does anyone have any new ideas?
It's like, oh, and now we have Ed Snowden via Google Hangout from Moscow.
And he's there saying you should use Red Circle.
He's telling us all these products we should be using.
I don't think he should be telling us what to use at all.
I think he should be telling us not to use anything.
Yeah, that would be better.
I just got something from our global intelligence network in on this.
Let me see.
What do we have?
We have...
He copied the message in the email from the movie Star Wars.
Here's the relevant clip.
Huh.
What?
Well, I have to look into it.
It seems that the message that Snowden sent to Poitras was...
Help me, Juan Kenobi?
Yes.
I've got to look into that.
I love stuff like that.
I just don't like the brand Snowden anymore.
It doesn't feel good.
Skull was influenced by authors such as Ayn Rand.
Another one.
Yeah.
He intended to become an author by Ayn Rand.
He intended to become an author writing motivational books on tackling the world's problems, so he was always in that mold.
Good work.
Now he has money, he's dangerous.
Oh, yeah.
And where's our Skoll Foundation grant?
Well, we're kind of...
The anti-Skoll Foundation grant's what we need.
He's like all in on all this stuff.
It's worth $3.8 billion.
I have a funny...
He has that same dead eyes look that all these other guys have.
Huh.
I have a funny Carrie climate denier clip, if you want to hear that.
Yeah, why not?
It's a good one, though.
They're always good if it comes from Carrie.
I just say to all of you here that people need to feel the pressure from you.
You all know what politics is about.
This is a big climate conference.
I'm not in it now, but I'm...
What do you mean you're not in it?
I'm not in politics is what I guess what he's trying to say.
All right, watermelon.
Dependent on it to help make the right decisions so that we move in the right direction.
A clean energy future is not a fantasy.
Changing course and avoiding the worst impacts of climate change is not a fantasy.
And supporting healthier communities and ecosystems and driving economic growth and job creation, none of that is a fantasy.
And for those people who still stand in the way, for those people who even still today want to try to question whether or not their science is effective or not.
I just want to say, in case people wondered, this program...
Powered by Science.
Just to ask you, ask a simple question.
If we're wrong about this future, what's the worst that could happen to us for making these choices?
If he's wrong, what's the worst that could happen for making these choices?
We can waste a lot of money, bamboozle a lot of people, disturb probably people that are already unstable.
There's a lot that could go wrong.
The worst that could happen to us is we create a whole lot of new jobs, we kick our economies into gear, we have healthier people, healthier children because we have cleaner air, we live up to our environmental responsibility, we become truly energy independent, and our security is stronger and greater and sustainable as a result.
I'm done!
I'm in!
You know, when he talks about this whole thing about carbon dioxide, the air quality is not hurt by carbon dioxide.
It's carbon pollution, John.
You're not saying it right.
By the way, so I'm flying in from Los Angeles, and I'm looking down at the salt flats.
I don't see any evidence of this rising tide.
I'm looking out today, and there's mud flats around here.
They're the same mud flats I saw 30 years ago.
I don't see any evidence of anything else going on.
As far as I'm concerned, you have no water.
I mean, are you drinking your own urine there in California at this point?
No, there's water.
It's just not much of it.
It's not as bad as it was some years and years ago when they had to run a pipeline across the San Rafael Bridge.
I think they just did that.
Didn't they just open that up again?
No, there's no pipeline there.
I just drove across the thing the other day.
Well, you're on the subject of these guys.
Ho, ho, ho!
Don't you want to hear what happens if the climate deniers are wrong?
Oh, I thought he was done.
No.
If the pro-climate...
Play it out.
That's the worst that happens to us.
What happens if they're wrong?
Uh-oh, what happens if they're wrong, John?
What could happen?
What do you think will happen?
If they are, if the climate deniers are climate change, man-made climate change deniers are wrong, then what?
What do you think?
Oh, we're all doomed.
If they're wrong, catastrophe.
Life as you know it on Earth ends.
Oh, man.
Hold on a second.
Life as you know it on Earth ends.
I think we need to accompany him, John.
Let's do a little accompaniment here.
Okay, I'll get you ready.
Ready?
Catastrophe.
Life as you know it on Earth ends.
Seven degrees increase Fahrenheit, and we can't sustain crops, water, life under those circumstances.
No life.
No life.
We're going to die.
We will die.
We're all gonna die.
Yeah, don't always let me ask a question here.
Hey, if we're wrong, does life stop as we know it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Are we all gonna die?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
I love that guy.
He's my favorite guy in the world.
I'm gonna show my support by donating to no agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that.
Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
We do have some people to thank for Show 660.
And we like to play that jingle apparently more than once.
Samuel Butterick.
Butterick, that's a very famous name.
Look at Butterick in the Wikipedia.
It's a very famous name.
Anyway, he's in Deutschland in Gremersburg.
$133.33.
As in Ebenezer Butterick.
And the Butterick Publishing Company.
Yeah, the Butterick Publishers.
They make patterns or something.
Ebenezer!
77 to 78 from Andrew Smallman.
It actually should add up to $200.01.
Oh, I see.
He's combining two, so he should have gotten an associate executive.
We'll give him an associate executive producer for $6.60.
I think that was actually a note that Eric sent.
Let me just see.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, Thomas.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sorry, Samuel, but it was convoluted.
And then we got a birthday call out.
I have to read this, I guess.
This may mean it's just artsy and heteroflexible, or it could be that his beautiful hands, long lady fingers, not well suited to shaking brown people with a K-bar, produce beautiful art.
What are we talking about here?
I have no idea.
Okay, the last two times my brother donated, you got all excited about his gorgeous, artsy signature and handwriting.
That was me.
Yeah.
Today is his birthday, so I appreciate you saying more nice things about him, despite the fact that Tom's an engineer and a Marine.
He is, in fact, a gifted artist.
That's why he probably has a nice hand.
You may mean he's just artsy and retro flexible, his beautiful hands, blah, blah, blah.
He's also the best scumbag artsy engine nerd brother a man could wish for.
And it wouldn't be half as much fun listening to a genitive.
I couldn't talk to him about it afterwards.
Tom, T-O-M-B, not a typo.
Please give Tom the following clip threesome.
The Ebola, it's nasty, disgusting, etc.
Followed by shut up already, it's science.
And to top it off with a two to the head karma, quick note to the regular donors.
Our Grand Dukes and Eric the Shill, thank you all for your courage.
Without y'all...
Is this German?
Without y'all, there'd be a lot of very sad douchebags out there.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers, Sam.
Deutschbag.
Butterick.
It is scary and wretched and miserable.
It is gross.
Shut up already.
It's science.
Shut up already.
It's science.
Shut up already.
It's science.
Shut up already.
It's science.
Alright, there you go.
Sorry about that.
You've got karma.
Dr.
Kiki Kids is right above Dr.
Kiki.
Sorry.
Is good or better?
Shut up already!
Science!
That's pretty good.
That's pretty good.
Elizabeth Visser in Winnipeg, Manitoba, 12345.
We've got a birthday call coming up for her.
Sam Manor, 12345 in Box Hill, South Victoria, Australia.
One of your favorite numbers right there.
Well, I've got three of them.
And Mark Pugner from Schaumburg, Illinois, comes in with a 12345.
Love that guy.
Rick Olson, Ellensburg, Washington, $100.
Thanks for all you do.
Jay Kumar in Beverly, Massachusetts.
I sent a note in.
Where's Jay Kumar?
It doesn't really say much.
Sending along another donation because I... Oh, he puts him halfway to...
Okay, he's going to be half night.
Thanks for cranking out the best podcast in the universe.
Gotta love a show that cracks me up and pisses me off at the same time.
Okay.
What's the 999 for?
For Sandra Huxbergen.
Oh, Sandra Huxbergen.
In Zandam.
9999 from the...
Sir Russell Williams in Boise, Idaho.
Baron Sonder.
Oh, he's Baron Sonder?
Still without a protector, and he says he can't choose.
Oh, yeah, Baron.
Oh, yeah, Baron Sonder.
Yep.
Sir Russell Williams in Boise, Idaho.
He's got a fuck cancer.
He says it worked.
He says it worked.
Had a cantaloupe-sized mass removed, 6 pounds, 6 pound dog, and thankfully it proved to be benign.
999.
Why?
Because I'm just emptying the PayPal account.
It's the 80.
So yeah, we should remind people, you got a PayPal account with some money just lingering in there?
Yeah.
You can empty it towards us.
Don't let that profit of the interest go to these skull jabronis.
Deborah Smallman in Milford, Michigan, $77.77.
Got a birthday thing there.
Oh, this is where the other money came in.
I would like to wish Thomas Butterick a happy birthday.
There you go.
Complicating things here with these split donations.
Herb Lamb, $77.77.
Sugar Hill Gang?
Hill, Georgia.
Sir Dennis Nutting in Hilo, Hawaii.
And he sent a long note.
Well, not really.
Just a bunch of accounting and some photos.
Oh, he sent me a picture of the current Hilo Airport.
Because I had talked about this before.
Yes, you did.
They used to have a beautiful outdoor baggage claim place.
And the airport was quaint because it was kind of an old but well-maintained place like Long Beach.
Now it's another.
It looks like Orlando.
Oh, horrible.
That's what I think.
He needs some job karma, and he is nice.
No, give him some.
He's a knight.
Okay.
I have to open up the karma bucket.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs!
You've got karma.
All right.
But now I feel I'm depressed.
Well, I haven't been to the Hilo for forever.
It's a cockroach...
By the way, that's the big island.
That's the big giant island of Hawaii.
And it is cockroach infested.
Oh, that's no good.
In fact, we rented a car, and the car was filled with cockroaches.
And so when we got out of the car to check the car, and we took all our stuff out, driving around, and I said, Mimi, you better...
Dump your purse out because, no, don't worry about it.
I said, no, you better dump it out.
I bet you there's cockroaches in there.
And she dumps her purse out and about 30 cockroaches ran out.
Is that an actual impersonation of her voice?
It's disgusting.
Well, that's the best I can do.
I can't do women's voices that well.
Except for this one!
I sound like Mickey Mouse when I do that voice.
Where was I? Huxburg and Boise.
Allison Hatch.
Allison Hatch in Waldorf.
As in Sattler and Waldorf.
Merrill in $75.
Brian Williams, $73, $73, $73.
He comes in commonly.
Okay, there's a good one.
Debaishish Duta?
Debaishish Duta?
Debaishish Duta.
Bosh's Duta in Mason, Ohio, 66.
Adam Ward, 55, Double Nickels on the Diamond, Derbyshire, UK. Michael Slissinger in Macomb, Michigan, 5510.
And now the last of these are $50 donations.
We'll read them off one at a time.
Andrew Dawson in Wantima, South Carolina.
Victoria, Australia.
I really like the fact that the Australians are stepping up.
He says he's been listening for about four years, don't have a job, but for my 33, ask for donations, so I contribute.
Oh, it's his birthday.
It's his 33rd birthday.
I want to contribute to some general and job karma and a birthday call out.
Yeah, we'll do that in a moment.
For the 12th, that is today.
It's his birthday, so yay.
Morris Consulting, Las Wages, Nevada, $50.
Paul Groves in Wangaratta, Victoria, another Australian, $50.
Jakub Wojciak in North Vancouver, B.C. I think I got that close.
Antonio McMullen, $50, parts unknown.
Paul Vela in Milton Keynes, U.K., $50.
Always count on Paul.
Sir Mark Tanner.
Is he Sir Paul Vela?
I believe so, yeah.
Sir Mark Tanner, Whittier, California.
And finally, Jason Deluzio in Gattisford, Pennsylvania.
I want to thank these folks and everybody who contributed to those folks.
I wanted to read one little email.
I want to also thank everyone who contributed to lesser amounts in the...
So I got an email from Neil.
He says, for what it's worth, I'm now on the $5 a month program.
It is truly about the least I could do.
I think he means the best he could do, but okay.
Of course, I wanted to make some grand gesture and dreamed of the day where I could be an instantite or at least associate executive producer.
Have you read my clever note on the show and play seven jingles.
However, it slowly dawned on me that those are the things I want, not the things that you need.
I've been listening since about episode 80 when it was trivial to go back and listen to the archives and have yet to give a dime.
I am ashamed of that.
Value for value, even though I'm not sure at this point I could ever adequately compensate the both of you for all the value you've given me, using that as an excuse to never donate seems really stupid.
Thank you for your courage, but more importantly, thank you for my courage.
And we do.
That's what a lot of $5 donors...
All of it is really highly appreciated.
Well, let me read one note, too, which is from Chris Perry.
And this was...
I don't know what happened to this donation, but it came through.
He thinks anonymously.
It was $200, so it was an associate executive producer for show 659.
And he says he added a short note about Carmody to get somewhere else, find a job in California, I believe.
I think it was...
I was stooped retroactively.
However, as I was terminated from my job yesterday afternoon, I was thrown under the bus by my boss's boss to appease a noisy client, and my boss decided that he couldn't justify having me work there.
The funny part is I was a CIS admin engineer, but the work they...
They terminated before.
It was entirely not related to systems administration.
Sorry I had to run.
Take care.
Don't let the drought in California, Texas choke you, Chris.
I'm still dying from Fukushima, so, you know, I don't know.
Yeah, we'll add him to the job karma at the end here that we're going to get to.
Fukushima.
Aren't you worried about Ebola?
No, man.
I'm almost dead from Fukushima radiation.
Why would I worry?
All the radioactive trash is hitting the shores.
All right, everybody.
Thank you very much for your consideration for the Value for Value model that makes this program continue on for almost seven years.
The 26th of October is our big seventh.
You can send us a sack of sevens.
You can send us triple sixes for the six and six show on the way.
And we continue to deliver the karma when you ask for it.
And hopefully it works.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs!
And for our Thursday show, please go to Dvorak.org slash N.A. Elizabeth Vissner says happy birthday, happy 35th to her smoking hot DILF husband, Patrick Stavros.
Send pictures.
Samuel Butterick and Debra Smallman say happy birthday to Thomas Butterick celebrating today.
Stephen Agarhadi, his fiancee Sue, is also celebrating her birthday today.
Sir David Foley, Grand Duke of the USA. We'll be celebrating his 49th tomorrow, as will Sir Thomas Nussbaum and Allison Hatch and Andrew Dawson.
Say happy birthday to Joe Hatch from Detroit, turning 35 on the 14th.
And Lauren says happy birthday to her hubby Rich, who'll be 33 on the 14th.
And we say happy birthday to everybody here from the best podcast in the universe.
So we have Sir Thomas Nussbaum.
Who is going to be the Baron of the Hampton Roads.
We have Sir Mark Workman who becomes a Baronet.
And you said he could...
Is that he...
Are we giving him his protector?
Is that what he's getting at?
Yeah, might as well.
It's in advance.
I'm going to put it in here.
And it was the Baronet of Galt's Gulch.
Yeah, Galt's Gulch.
I don't know if he has to...
Battle with somebody.
I thought that was given away.
I don't know.
If somebody says we have a dispute, we'll resolve it in the peerage committee.
Meets once a month.
Under arbitration.
Yes.
Then we have a black knighting.
This does not happen often, but we thanked him profusely for his contributions on Thursday's show, and somehow he did not show up in the knighting, and so he becomes a black knight, Sir HMFIC, the head mofo in charge.
He thought it was quite appropriate that he will become a black knight, since he was the one, you'll recall, burned his entire face and hands and was cured.
True.
Apparently it was within weeks, and so we're very, very happy for him.
And he has a special request for what he wants present at the round table, which I've written down, so we'll just grab our blades here, and we'll ask you, HMFIC, head mofo in charge, please step down, sir!
You are welcome to the round table of the Knights of Fame, and you are a black knight, so you've got the black armor, and we hereby pronounce the Sir HMFIC Black Knight of the U.S. Army, and we have for you...
Hookers and Blow, Red Boys and Chardonnay, and Whiskey and Wet Wipes, and as you requested, Harlots and Haldol.
Oh yes!
Along with your wenches and beer, vodka and vanilla, bong hits and bourbons, sparkling cider and escorts, and of course the mutton and meat, and go to noagendanation.com slash rings and pick up your ring, and thank you very much for your courage, for your consideration, for your value, for our value, and just for being patient.
Indeed.
We were talking about all the PayPal billionaires that came out of that operation.
I've got this clip of a From France 24 where they're talking to a Tesla guy.
And I thought you'd be interested in hearing this.
Okay, hold on a second.
Yes.
The clip doesn't actually say Tesla guy, interestingly enough.
A full range of increasingly affordable electric sports cars.
Today I'm joined by Jérôme Guylain, Vice President of Worldwide Sales and Services.
Thank you so much for joining us today.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you.
Thank you for joining.
I am part of the Tesla board.
Yes, thank you for joining us.
It's good to have you here.
Yes, it's good to be here.
It's good to have you here.
Thank you, Rolf.
Yes, thank you for having me.
It's good to have you here.
What?
And what was it?
It was about their new D. I don't know.
Who cares?
I think it was about their batteries.
Whatever the case.
I do have a clip I want to play, which is the...
I've heard this.
I normally don't listen to that show on RT that has the financial guy.
Max?
Max Keiser?
Max Keiser?
Max, good old Max.
So I got this clip on the Scottish poll text.
So I looked it up.
Everything they say in this clip is accurate.
And I should have sent the link for the show notes, but apparently they're looking, you know, they made everyone in Scotland vote on whether they're going to be independent or not.
Now they're going to ding them for the back taxes.
Reality is trading at a discount.
Now, of course, we came close to a bloodless revolution here in the United Kingdom with a Scottish referendum.
And, of course, they chose to stay dependent on the United Kingdom, on Westminster anyway.
Poll tax returns from dead to haunt Scottish politics.
So all those people who registered to vote, all those new registrants to vote in Scotland...
Put their name on the poll registers.
Record amount.
Something like 92% of the population that could vote chose to vote.
And what is Westminster, what is the political elite doing for even daring to suggest there could be change?
For daring those 45% of the population that had the courage...
To want change?
Well, they're threatening to bring back the fines.
There's 450 million pounds worth of unpaid poll tax from the Margaret Thatcher era in 89, 90, and 91 up in Scotland.
Well, that's what they're being threatened now.
There's retribution for having the temerity to want independence.
They're not going to give them more devolution power.
They're not going to give them nothing.
They're going to take more because they dare to stand up to the queen.
They're going to get raked over the coals.
It's like Smithfield Markets going back hundreds of years.
Remember, the king was giving in to the Peasants' Revolt, and they met with the king, and he killed them all.
Well, that's Smithfield Market is where William Wallace was.
First, he was gutted.
He was disemboweled.
And then his legs and arms torn apart, and then he was hung, and his head put on a pike.
So there you have it.
That's what's happened to them.
This is what happens when you fail to have enough courage.
Good little story.
I'm just looking at CNN, and now the lower third is, first time Ebola transmitted in the United States.
And I don't have the sound, but I can see the woman who's reading the prompter, and she has this sad look in her eyes.
I'm like, oh, oh.
Ebola!
What are our Ebola theme song?
The song?
Ebola!
We have it.
I just didn't want to...
You didn't have any...
You know, I didn't want to overdo it.
We certainly have it.
Well, we got us the Ebola.
No, we have the Ebola Ricola.
We got that one.
Ebola!
In Euroland, similar news.
The Catalan independence referendum is coming up.
I believe...
Is it at the end of this month?
Yeah.
Now, this is not officially sanctioned.
In fact, the government is pissed off.
It's kind of a protest...
Yeah, it's a created situation that is not...
It's not like the one in Scotland where it supposedly would have actually taken place.
Well, FC Barcelona has now signed...
They could get thrown out of the league for this.
They all signed supporting the Catalan independence, which is...
That's a big deal when a soccer team says, yeah, we should...
And now...
I just read this today.
Catalan independence could include Valencia and, how do you pronounce it, the Balearics, that's the islands, that's Ibiza and all those islands, and Formentera and all those beautiful islands there.
And they want to include those in their independent Catalan state, I guess.
Good.
And how will this work?
It won't.
But if everyone votes yes, it's kind of like Crimea, isn't it?
Well, yeah, but who comes running in?
I mean, with the Crimea thing, yeah, okay, they're all going to vote yes and the Russians will go.
Yeah, the Russians are coming.
Here's Vladimir.
Hey, everybody, we're ready for it.
Come on in!
Come on!
Vladimir partying in Ibiza.
He'd go for that.
Shit, I'd go for it.
You were just there recently, weren't you?
No.
Didn't you go there recently?
No.
I thought you were going to go there.
We talked about it, but there is no place that you can get decent internet.
You can get a good connection.
Yes, we have internet.
We have 3G. That's not going to work.
That's interesting.
The president weighed in on net neutrality, and I saw a clip with some analysis from Chunk over there at the Young Turks show.
And if you look at the Chunk show on YouTube, now he does a Squarespace commercial before the actual bit.
It's sad.
I think there must be bleeding money.
Who can make a website for me?
And I was like, I'm not going to do a chunk, make your own.
And then he goes to Squarespace and he's like, oh, I made a good website.
Okay.
Thank you, Internet.
It's stupid.
And they played this clip of the president on net neutrality.
We need to pull this apart for a number of reasons.
And I would say number one is because we're getting very close to some decision-making here by the FCC. And I also received another email, and it was almost as if, holy moly, we predicted it.
This is the FFTF people.
It's Tiffany from FFTF, the fight for the future of the technology future, whatever it is.
What's this outfit called?
I can't remember.
It's some dumb operation.
Yeah, but it's funded.
Yeah, like us.
Funded.
Let's look it up.
And what is it all about?
Hello, mouse.
Do you have a mouse?
Yeah, a mouse.
You know, the kind of mouse that hooks to the computer.
They never catch on.
Words out of my mouth.
Hey!
She starts every email.
Hey.
Hey.
Life for the future, yeah.
Just want to make sure you saw this email.
There's good news.
Thanks in part to the response we helped generate, the FCC has extended the deadline to receive comments about the Comcast attempted internet takeover.
Now it's Comcast's attempted internet takeover until October 29th.
I didn't know that Comcast was attempting to take over the internet.
There are just a few days left to stop Comcast from taking over Time Warner Cable and signing a death sentence for net neutrality.
Click here to take action now, which is a donate button.
Yeah, give them money.
That's right.
Isn't that what it is?
Click here to take action.
Taking action means give them money.
This one really requires no explanation.
The most hated company in the U.S. is trying to take over the second most hated company in the U.S., Let me see.
I don't know if these are the most hated companies in the U.S. I can think of a couple I'm not too fond of.
Well, read the list.
Well, there's no list.
Number one is Comcast.
Number two is Time Warner.
That's what she's saying.
Those are the most hated companies in the U.S.? I think AT&T would top either one of those.
How about...
Yeah, there's all kinds of possibilities.
A lot of companies you can throw in.
Okay.
Okay.
Let me continue here.
In a move that would raise our cable and internet bills, stifle online free speech, and make them one of the most powerful lobbies in history.
This merger is bad for everyone!
And there's tons of opposition, even from within the FCC. We have a real chance of stopping this, but we have to act quickly.
The deadline's next week.
Click here to stop Comcast in its tracks.
That's another donate button.
Comcast is already the largest and most powerful opponent of net neutrality, online privacy, and internet freedom!
Not my internet freedom!
They've been caught several times abusing their gatekeeper power.
As an internet provider to further their own interests.
Go on.
Please talk.
I'm going to say, these guys, I'm looking at their website.
The FFTF. Help cut $40 donate.
They have all these shotgun projects.
They're all over the place.
Battle for the net.
Reset the net.
That's them.
Occupy the FCC. That's them.
We crammed in tents on the FCC's doorstep for nine days and changed the game for net neutrality.
You did, really?
You changed the game.
What are we worried about?
Fast-track is obsolete technology.
Stop fast-track for the TPP. Net neutrality, helpless save.
Stephen Colbert caught the RSA. The NSA video behind that.
We'll stop SOPA again.
Call for freedom.
Stop watching us.
It's another project of theirs.
These guys are all...
Barrett Brown.
I don't even know about this one.
20,000 demanding freedom for a journalist who faces 105 years for sharing a link.
Oh, this I gotta see.
All right.
Let me...
Five years.
Stay with the program for one second.
We need to just explain, very briefly, that any type of regulation, any, okay, is not desired.
You do not want anything called net neutrality.
And when you hear our president's understanding of it, it will become abundantly clear to you that we are hosed.
He has no clue what he's talking about.
And every single rule proposal we have read verbatim on this program includes the language ISPs will block unlawful content and unlawful network traffic.
This will include bullying.
This will include peer-to-peer.
This will include hate speech.
No agenda.
Yeah, it only...
It will be blocked.
Now, it's not...
It's okay, because I believe you cannot really...
You can't shut off the networks unless you're physically coming in and cutting the cable line to people's houses.
There's all kinds of ways around this, but this will be the result, and this is what they've all wanted, and outfits like Tiffany...
Hey, Tiffany from Fight for the Future are duping you.
Now, listen to your president...
Who even contradicts himself.
It's almost like the series of tubes, this guy.
On net neutrality, I made a commitment very early on that I am unequivocally committed to net neutrality.
What do you think he means by net neutrality?
I don't know.
I have no idea.
Everybody's equal, like equal pay, and equal, everything's equal.
Maybe.
Everything's equal.
Fair.
No losers.
All winners.
Everybody wins.
Everybody gets the same.
Everybody's equal the same.
That's a hug and share a secret.
I think that it is what has...
Woo!
Fuck yeah, everyone!
I think it's what has unleashed the no agenda show, the power of the internet, and we don't want to lose that or clog up the pipes.
We don't want to clog up the pipes?
Is that what he said?
If you had net neutrality, you are actually going to clog up the pipes.
You need to manage network traffic with different packet prioritization.
Am I not hearing him correctly?
It's going to clog up the pipe.
When you have, if you don't have the net neutrality, you're going to clog up.
You understand what I'm saying?
You know, it's like a toilet bowl.
If it's not used by both the women and the men and you put the seat down for the women, you leave it down because that's what they want.
And if you don't do that and you don't have the net neutrality and the thing gets clogged up, then they have to drill it out with a roto-rooter.
This guy should be vilified for talking like Ted Stevens.
This is not a pipe.
Thank you, John.
It's not a drainage.
It's not a sewer.
Well...
Our show is kind of going through the sewer.
But it's not how it works.
This is not how it works.
It's not a garden hose.
It's not a freeway.
It's not a highway.
It's not a fast lane.
It's not a slow lane.
You need packet prioritization for any of this stuff to work.
And it is going on all the time.
So saying that net neutrality will stop clogging up the pipes is stupid and incorrect.
The power of the internet, and we don't want to lose that.
Or clog up the pipes.
Oh, God.
Ted Steven was ridiculed forever by talking about the tubes and the pipes as not a truck and all the rest of it.
And meanwhile, of course, this guy gets a pass.
And it's like 10 years later, you're thinking no more.
This is why I bring up Chunk.
Because there I was like, well, it's a great speech.
Wow, yeah, he's all, I hope he says, yeah, oh yeah, it's a great speech.
It's one of the best speeches ever.
It's all in with Obama.
The pipes.
And so...
What the fuck did I just say?
You should pull that a little bit out.
I will.
A lot of aspects to net neutrality.
I know one of the things that people are most concerned about is paid prioritization.
Oh, I'm so concerned about paid prioritization.
No.
People want their Netflix not to buffer.
And they will pay for it.
And it's not prioritization.
It is paid peering.
It is private peering arrangements, which should be completely private and agreeable for what people want, which is Facebook and Netflix.
People don't want anything else, stupid morons, but okay.
So people are worried about paid prioritization.
I wonder if you asked 100 people on the street, just a direct question, are you worried about paid prioritization?
What would they say?
I think 100 people would not know what that's about, but if you said, are you worried about net neutrality, they would all say, oh yeah, oh man, we gotta have net neutrality.
You're gonna get screwed with net neutrality, man.
You are gonna get screwed with your net neutrality with your unlawful content laws and regulations, unlawful network traffic laws and regulations.
And who's going to determine this?
The FCC. So the FCC is going to get its way, which it's always wanted to do, which is take control of both cable networks, because the broadcasting thing is dead.
It's over, I mean, at some point.
It's got a limited life left.
And it's the Federal Communications Commission's about communications, and they want to get hold of something else to do so they can regulate it, so you can't show a tit without being fined because you need to get some money in the coffers.
Or you can't say, fuck.
You can't cuss.
And you can't do this, you can't do that, and you have to get a license to be a podcaster or a blogger.
No hate speech.
Hate speech about women.
No hate speech.
No bullying.
No name calling.
That's bullying.
Now, what do you...
I'm trying to think how I should present this to you for what he's about to say.
We should just listen to it.
The notion that somehow...
I'll ask the question anyway.
Is he powerful, our president?
Can he call someone and say, here's what I want you to do?
Yes, he could actually call the president of Mexico and tell him to release that Marine that's in jail down there, but he won't do it.
So yes, he's powerful.
Could you think he could call the FCC and say, dude, here's what I want you to do?
Is that within his realm of...
Is that within his...
It's not part of his job, necessarily, but he's powerful enough to do that.
Now, does he appoint this man?
Does he appoint the chairman of the FCC? Yes, I believe he's appointed by the executive branch.
So when people...
And I'm looking at you, Leo.
When people say, we had a lobbyist, and now the head of the FCC, it is actually the president who appointed him, correct?
I'm thinking yes.
I'll pick it up while you're playing the clip.
I'll look at the head of the FCC, but I'm pretty sure the executive branch...
Which is Tom Wheeler, I believe.
Yeah.
And I'm pretty sure...
I smack my lips.
And I'm pretty sure that President Obama...
Well, let's hear it from the President himself.
Some...
Folks can pay a little more money.
Oh, you mean like Netflix folks can pay a little bit more money?
Better service, more exclusive access to customers.
The FCC is directed by five commissioners appointed by the President of the United States.
The President, not confirmed by the U.S. Senate.
He just said, people are concerned that some folks, which can be Republicans, folks can be terrorists, folks can be students.
We've heard him use folks.
Sometimes we've been addressed as folks.
But some folks can pay a little bit more money for direct access to the customers.
Now, this is very telling at how he views net neutrality.
He views it completely from the cable network standpoint.
He does not at all give a rat's ass about anyone who's an independent producer just trying to make connections with people globally through this global network.
He only thinks in supply of content and customers on the other end, which is insulting to the American people, American entrepreneurs, To content creators, to anybody who uses this very unique opportunity we have in our lifetime, which he is now personally trying to limit by pushing for net neutrality.
Because he believes it's a supply of content that we should be happy to have from Hollywood.
And there's nothing at all about the equality of just connecting and this free flow of ideas and speech that But does Trump talk about that?
No.
And get better service, more exclusive access to customers through the Internet.
That's something I'm opposed.
I was opposed to it when I ran.
I continue to be opposed to it now.
Now, the FCC is an independent agency.
They came out with some preliminary rules that I think the net roots and a lot of folks in favor of net neutrality were concerned with.
Net roots.
This is a very old term.
Interesting.
Yeah, that's a good one.
Net roots.
Now, net roots are the people who got Howard Dean Initially, I think, on the ballot, and then, of course, the same Netroots got him off.
But it also includes some of the Democrat-leading organizations that I think pretty much anybody who does any lobbying online is considered to be Netroots.
But it's kind of an old term.
It's kind of a mid-2000s term.
My appointee, Tom Wheeler, knows my position.
I can't, now that he's there, I can't just call him up and tell him exactly what to do.
Yeah, you can.
Bull crap.
What to do?
What to do?
I can't tell him what to do?
Yes, you can.
Yes, you can.
You've got a pen.
You've got a phone.
This is what he's been telling us.
Call him up and tell him what to do.
I've got a pen.
I've got a phone.
I can do this.
I can do that.
Now he won't do anything.
The guy that he appointed.
I put him in.
I can't tell him what to do.
Well, then, either you have no power, or it's a crappy candidate you put in.
Which one is it?
Now that he's there, I can't just call him up and tell him exactly what to do.
But what I've been clear about, what the White House has been clear about, is that we expect whatever final rules to emerge.
To make sure that we're not creating two or three or four tiers.
Two or three?
Why not 50 tiers?
Why not?
What's wrong with your tiers?
We don't want tiers.
There's already tiers.
It's called tier service.
You pay more for business accounts.
Well, we can't have that now?
I don't know.
Sounds like it.
It's just like the Vonnegut story, where instead of everybody having great access, the people have fast access.
So I have 200 megabits per second.
I'm going to get penalized.
I'll have a limiter put on because then I'll have more access than you.
And they'll poke one eye out so that we see the same.
Okay, I think we made our point here.
Internet what?
No, that's it.
Two tiers of internet.
That was it.
Well, I'm sorry.
It's going to lead to the following.
I have a clip.
This is the future of tech reporting.
I have to admit, this is a clip from four years ago.
Do we need the tech news jingle, or are we okay?
Yeah, let's play the tech news jingle.
Okay.
That means I have to go look for it.
Oh, you don't have to play it then.
I have it.
Tech news jingle, and then we have tech news.
Here we go.
iPhone's my phone.
The way I see it, the only good phone's a landline, and the phone should be made out of Bakelite.
They're varied, you know, from classic dungeons.
You know, we try to present ourselves as a dungeon crawl.
There's lots of dungeons.
But outdoor areas, like you're seeing in this demo, and wilderness areas and towns as well.
I'll show the engine can render them beautifully, and clearly you guys are taking advantage of it.
The game looks incredible.
Very excited.
Hunted the Demon's Forge.
When do we get to play it?
When do I get it?
When do I convince my friends to buy it?
We're shipping the first quarter next year.
Sounds good.
Thank you so much.
What was this?
What did I miss?
It was from four years ago.
And did that game ever come out?
I don't care!
iPhone, my phone!
That's our tech news, everybody.
I hope you enjoy that.
I do have one last little bit of annoyance that I need to get out.
And this is regarding Haiti.
I'm sorry.
It always happens.
We missed something.
We missed...
This Laurent Lamothe, the Prime Minister of Haiti.
We missed his appointment.
We missed this whole thing.
Man, you're the Haiti guy.
I know.
You're supposed to be dogging Haiti.
TMZ had a little piece on this guy, and the headline was, Yeah, my girlfriend's a supermodel, and I'm damn proud of it.
Well, let me look at this.
Who's this guy?
This is Laurent Lamothe.
He is the Prime Minister of Haiti.
Now, you know, the President, the elected President, forced on us by the Clintons, of course, is Sweet Mickey Martelli.
And so his friend, who runs the Cell Network there in Haiti, big, big Cell Network.
If you look this guy up, he's very interesting.
Laurent Lamothe.
Let me just tell you a little bit about him.
A young guy, born in 72, and he was the co-founder and CEO of the Global Voice Group.
That's a very big...
I think they do a pretty much Caribbean exclusive, but they obviously provide everything to Haiti.
I think they've got the deal with the microfinance, etc.
And he was appointed initially as a special advisor to his friend, President Sweet Mickey Martelli, in order to achieve less of a conflict, to have less conflict of interest at being an actual politician.
Then in 2011, he and Bill Clinton co-chair the Presidential Advisory Committee for the Economic Development and Investment in Haiti.
You know, all those billions of dollars?
Well, he went into his cell network, as far as I can tell.
And then he was the foreign minister, but then he became the prime minister after the current prime minister, Gary Conneal, resigned.
And this is 2012.
So he's the prime minister by appointment, not by vote.
And his girlfriend is Petra Namakovic.
Namakovic, I think is how you pronounce it.
Now, you'll remember her.
Stunningly beautiful.
She was the supermodel who was caught in the tsunami and her fiancé and photographer was swept away and she managed to hold on to a palm tree and she got hurt and he died.
A horrible story.
And she was then with Sean Penn for a while and now she's with this guy.
And she has a...
That's why Sean Penn was hanging out in Haiti for so long.
He was like in Haiti all the time.
And I really think her heart's in the right place.
She has the Happy, what is it called?
The Happy, Happy Foundation.
Hold on a second.
Something like that.
It's called the Happy Hearts Fund.
And I think we brought it up briefly on the show, but the Happy Hearts Fund gave a big award to Bill Clinton in New York for all of his great work for Haiti.
And I just want to remind you...
I think this is a picture I just sent you.
I have the picture.
And I just want to remind you that when this happened, we had three presidents all sitting down and asking for the following.
We just need cash.
I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water.
Just send your cash.
So this guy is rolling large.
Everyone's at this party.
Good party.
But he also comes in and speaks with Art, the Secretary of State, Kerry.
And they do the little clippity-clop move.
The guy's tiny, by the way, next to Kerry, which is kind of funny.
He's a big man.
His girlfriend must be a head taller than him.
That's why they're not in pictures.
Baby, you go stand next to Bill.
I don't want to be in the picture.
And as I was listening, all of a sudden I was like, oh my God, they're about to screw this country royally.
Even more than it is.
Now, we know that of the 500,000 people who were in tents, the United Nations, the Blue Helmets brought in cholera, people are dying.
But what's happening is they're just ignoring everything.
They are pushing people into the neighboring...
I have the name of it here.
It is...
It's really quite sad.
while they're building all these huge hotels and turning into this super luxurious destination, really, 100,000s of people are being pushed in their tents into desert, kind of, neighboring desert out of Port-au-Prince.
And now let's listen to this guy.
And the problem is they have an election coming up the end of this month, but there are people inside the government of Haiti who have been elected, who will have nothing of it.
They don't have the electoral rules.
The electoral rules that everyone decided on when they went to the vote, they had been changed permanently.
By the administration to read differently.
And the senators said, we're not voting on this.
This is bullcrap.
You're trying to screw us so that you can screw the people of Haiti.
But this is how it works when you're in with the Atlanticists and the globalists like Harry.
Here they are together.
I'm very happy to welcome the Prime Minister of Haiti, Laurent Lamotte.
Here to Washington, and in doing so, I welcome a good friend, a good partner in major efforts to meet the challenges of Haiti, which are significant because of the devastating earthquake and some of the needs to push for political reform.
Oh, political reform, you say?
Sounds like freedom's coming your way, Haiti!
The government has worked hard, and we have worked hard, and the international community has worked hard.
To steal the money!
To make a difference to the lives of the people of Haiti.
Do you remember the big benefit concert that Clooney put on?
Oh yeah, we all remember.
And we have a deep interest in the United States in helping to continue down this road of both democracy and economic growth and development.
It's so disgusting to hear these people talk like this while people are dying in tents.
There is work to be done and particularly as we know there is the challenge of Completing the task of having local and legislative elections as soon as possible, being able to set the date and hold those elections to complete the task of Haiti's transition.
Transition to what?
When did this happen?
When did we need a transition?
These people need houses.
They need a roof and water and no cholera.
That's the problem.
I'm sorry?
They didn't kill them off yet.
As soon as they get the population reduced down to something reasonable and easy to manage, they're in to fix things.
Well, they're very close, and you'll hear this from the Prime Minister.
Unfortunately, that is being blocked now politically.
By Republicans!
I spoke with President Martelli just the other day about this, and we intend to try to work very closely to move forward.
This resistance, the unwillingness to allow the people to be able to have this vote, It really challenges the overall growth and development progress of the country.
It's just mind-boggling to me that there is a group of elected leaders in Haiti who are saying, and it's written everywhere.
You can read it.
In all kinds of publications, they're being screwed and saying, we're not going to let these elections happen under these rules because we're being duped.
And here's this asshole, Kerry, saying, oh, maybe we should arrest these people.
I'm just waiting for that to happen.
You're blocking progress.
It's mind-boggling that no one says anything about this.
We need to have a fully functioning government.
The president has been working very hard, the prime minister working very, very hard to pull people together to make this happen.
Where did Kerry give this boring speech?
At the State Department.
The guy's about to speak, and you'll hear what he has to say.
It's one of those that are there together, and he came in to get $25 billion in IMF loans.
That's why he's in Washington with Fifi, Fifi Lagarde.
So we'll talk about that today, and we have very, very high hopes that we can make progress with respect to that, because that will facilitate our ability...
To build big buildings.
To continue the progress and complete the task of helping the people of Haiti to have the day-to-day lives they deserve and want and which we want for them.
So, Mr.
Prime Minister, welcome.
I want to thank Secretary Kerry for having us today.
It's a great pleasure and honor to be here.
It's my second visit.
I used to be foreign minister here.
So I'm very, very happy to be able to discuss Haiti's progress.
We came a long way after a devastating earthquake that took away 250,000 lives.
500,000 people were wounded.
The country had $14 billion in damages.
And 50% of the population of Port-au-Prince was homeless.
That's the situation we found.
Today, 98% of that population has been relocated.
Relocated.
98% of the population has been relocated.
How long is this clip?
I'm sorry.
It's important to me.
Well, I know, but you could have cut it down a little bit.
I've cut it in...
It's a third of what it was.
Alright, well, if you're bored...
I'm just saying, when I have a two-minute clip, you're always giving me grief about it, but this clip is going on forever.
I think the point's been made.
Well, no, I don't think so.
I think the numbers are important.
So if he's saying 98% have been relocated, of 2 million people in Port-au-Prince, that still leaves 2%, that's 40,000 people are still intense, pooping their guts out in the city itself.
Doesn't the relocated people, can't they be intense?
They are intense.
Well, everybody's intense.
But they've been relocated.
They've been relocated.
That doesn't mean anything.
It means that they're screwed.
Yes.
All right.
It's just me.
Never mind.
We don't have to listen to it.
It's fine.
No, I'm just saying.
I think the point is made.
You said this four times now.
The point is made.
The point is made.
Your clips are too long.
Okay.
All right.
When I do clips, you cut me off at about a minute, and you're...
Quite the opposite.
If you go listen to the last ten shows, I've said, this is actually the place where it's okay to play a long clip.
You've had three-minute clips, you've had five-minute clips, and we've let them play out entirely.
So, fine.
Fine.
It's fine.
It's okay.
We get orked at each other for this, but you all will cut me off.
But instead of saying, how long is this clip?
Just say, okay, I get the point.
I'm done.
I've been trying to say that, but then you won't listen to me.
No, you didn't say that.
You said, how long is this clip?
Where was this boring speech?
No, I think if you listened a little earlier, I was trying to get this shortened up.
I just think they're too long.
Today was your long clip day.
I mean, it's fine if you think it's important, but I don't hear anything in that Kerry thing.
We could have cut that right off.
Kerry is boring.
He said nothing.
And then this other guy doesn't say anything, because you already told us what we need to know.
I think you're right on the money with the whole thing, but I don't see that there's any backup in these clips.
It's just the guys...
I just didn't think the clips were positive.
They didn't help your point.
I think there just weren't good clips, sorry.
And it's just only that one.
The other stuff was good.
It's just this clip here.
And Carrie, I can only put up with so much of that guy.
Okay.
You didn't complain about the three-minute global warming clip.
You thought that was funny.
That was three minutes.
Well, it was like, yeah, I don't know.
I mean, the global warming thing is different because it was kind of led to a punchline.
You got your two-minute Scottish poll tax clip, which you could have said, they're going to get screwed over.
It's fine.
Not everyone has listened to every single show like we have.
Not everybody knows.
There are new people who have no idea what's going on in Haiti.
People forget these things.
Well, this is true.
But when you have the Secretary of State standing there and saying...
Transition is being blocked in Haiti.
It is disgusting.
These two are people.
It is disgusting that no one is saying, hey, asswipe, where did all the money go that Clinton stole?
You guys are partying it up in New York with supermodel girlfriends.
Screw you, douchebags.
And it's real people, and you can fly three hours and be there.
At the Clinton Hotel.
By the way, since you mentioned her as probably a good person, I would recommend reading her wiki page, and you tell me she's not a spy for somebody.
Really?
No, seriously.
Well, let's take a look.
She speaks like 20 languages.
She's been everywhere.
She has all the earmarks of some sort of...
I don't know who.
Let's see.
She speaks Czech, Slovak, Polish, English, French, Italian.
She's from Czechoslovakia.
You get to speak a couple languages.
Slovak, Polish, English, French, Italian.
She was engaged to English actor Jamie Bellman or whoever that is, and that ended.
And then she's here, she's in the tsunami, she's over, she's lived everywhere.
I mean, you read this and tell me that she's not a spy.
Knowing the...
I don't think...
No, I don't think she's a spy.
I think she's a very...
She's probably just...
No, I don't think so.
I think she's probably a very sweet girl, and she's been in certain circles.
She does not know any different.
This has been her life from very early on.
You know, her foundation is selling Chopin necklaces for $1,500, of which 17% goes to the charity on the charity's website, which I find to be sketchy.
I don't know.
No, I don't know.
You think she's a spy?
I don't think so.
I don't know.
Read the whole thing when you have a chance.
Maybe I'm wrong.
She's a presidential model.
She's an executive.
I know what you're thinking.
I am thinking MKUltra, if anything.
Look at her.
Come on.
She's a privileged girl.
She's privileged.
She's 35.
She's been everywhere.
She's a bit short.
5'10".
That's not really tall enough for supermodel status.
I don't like the picture on her wiki.
No, if you just go to images, you get some really good pictures of her.
She's a sports illustrated swimsuit model, too.
Always a plus.
She was in the Miss Universe competition in Quito, Ecuador.
If she was in the Miss Universe competition, who was she representing?
Must have been Czechoslovakia.
How about Haiti?
Why not?
I'm very happy I'm dating Laurent Lamothe.
Yeah, and that's the other thing.
Why would she date this guy?
Well, look at him.
He's so beautiful.
I'm sorry.
He has money.
Because he has money!
I'll just say it.
I think she's shallow.
She's shallow.
That's what I'll say.
I'll just say it.
I think she's keeping an eye on him.
Well, she was keeping an eye on Sean Penn.
Somebody's got to.
Well, yeah.
Maybe.
Well, could be.
Well, if you take the Haiti thing into consideration, you may be right.
You may be right.
Of course, this $3 million, I have the $9.90.
A lot of travel, spending a couple hundred thousand dollars on travel.
Traveling everywhere, fine.
Alright, let's summarize.
The Haitians are being screwed and now they're going to be screwed more.
Well, no, I think what is happening is the senators, because that was in the clip that was coming up, but we're never going to hear that again.
The senators in Haiti for 200 days have been blocking this election, which is supposed to happen on the 26th.
They've been blocking it because the electoral rules were changed, the ones they all voted on, and they're saying, we're not going to approve this, and I think someone will have to die.
Something bad is going to happen, and you're hearing he's going to Kerry, saying, hey, Kerry.
We have to get this approved because otherwise we can't really move the last 2% or whatever it is into the tents and bulldoze over them or whatever they're going to do.
Go look at pictures of Haiti.
They're building high-rises, condos.
It's going to be a beautiful resort.
They've just steamrolled these people away.
I just have compassion for it.
I've never been there.
I don't know anyone from Haiti.
I have compassion for this.
It pisses me off.
Yeah, well, you're the one tracking it.
It's been a scam since the earthquake happened.
And it's been, give us your money, and then it all ended up in the Clinton Foundation.
I don't know.
We've discussed this quite a bit on the show for people that are new to the show.
That's kind of what I meant.
A little background for people.
But all right.
All right.
I'll take it.
You're right.
It was too long.
You're right.
But just say the clip's too long.
Don't give me this whole life.
Clip's too long.
Carrie stinks.
What I don't like is when you say, you made your point.
It's like, that's rude.
Well, you did make your point.
To you.
Well, I'm the guy that's listening.
Okay.
Well, that's a good point there.
You got any clips then to end it up?
No, I'm good.
I'm going to put my clips off.
I did have some stuff I wanted to do from the last show, but I didn't put them on this clip.
Yeah, here.
Play this.
Monkey.
Given the right to vote.
This is the dumbest story of the week.
...with this.
And on to our legal panel.
A New York appeals court weighing a case that would grant chimpanzees legal personhood, but will this monkey business hold up in court?
Here to debate is civil rights attorney Paul Millis of Meyer, Suzo, English and Klein, and Bill Frumpkin, a partner at Frumpkin& Hunter Law Firm.
Wow.
Okay, Bill, what is legal personhood?
Well, a legal person is basically being qualified under the law as a person so that you can avail yourself of some of its protections, like habeas corpus, which is what they're trying to do here, to say that...
Like human beings.
Yes, well, it has to be a stretch of the law and of the word person.
There's no question about it.
But if you look at science and technology and our knowledge of animals and what they know, etc., it's getting close to know that the DNA and certain makeup of chimpanzees are the same as humans, and that's where the analysis starts.
With all due respect, Bill, or should I call you Dr.
Zayas, this is monkey business at its height.
A person is not a monkey.
A monkey is not a person.
Pure and simple.
A chimpanzee is also not a monkey, by the way.
They dealt with it in divorce cases where people are fighting over Fido.
They want Fido.
Both of them do.
And the court says it's a chattel.
In other words, it's something you own.
We may love our dogs, and I certainly do mine, but it's something you own.
It's a piece of purpose.
No, you don't.
That's not true.
You're a caregiver.
Yeah, you're a caregiver.
You're a guardian.
Guardian, thank you.
You're not allowed to own a pet.
Well, that's only in certain states.
Okay.
What's the most convincing argument that these animal activists have?
Because, you know, this is crazy to me.
They're human beings, and then there's anything else.
Well, to summarize, what's the point?
The point is that this is a dumb piece of crap story that came up on Fox, and it's not going to work, and they found two guys to talk about it.
One guy took the one side of being monkey should be given citizenship, and the other one didn't.
That's the other side, which is the way it works on these shows.
If it was me, I'd be glad to argue for the monkey, you know, just to get on some airtime.
Wow.
We cut the Haiti clip short for that.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I could have.
At least I stopped it.
After two minutes of it.
Well, I could have stopped it sooner.
The only thing I have, I do want to mention that next week, this coming week, regulators from the United States and the United Kingdom will get together in a war room to see, and I'll tell you who's getting together, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew, George Osborne, the UK Chancellor of the Exchequer, which is the Treasury Secretary, along with Federal Reserve Chairwoman Janet Yellen and Bank of England Governor Mark Carney,
they're going to do a simulation of what would happen if a large bank failed. they're going to do a simulation of what would happen And I'm only bringing this up because sometimes when they do these drills, you know, weird things happen.
And I said weird, but yeah, weird things happen.
Let's hope it's the Bank of America.
You know, I don't like 9-11 was a simulation, 7-7 was a simulation.
There's always these drills and tests going on when crazy things happen.
We need to be aware of that.
Well, maybe that's what it's...
Oh, you know what it could be?
What?
Cyber attack by ICE... Not by ICE, but by the Corazon Group.
Corazon Group, yeah.
Of a bank.
Nice.
Well, we'll be ready for it.
We'll be getting primed for cyber, cyber, cyber, cyber to an extreme.
And then we can dump the money into the stuff that, you know, these various...
Who's the one guy that's always...
the ex-CIA guy's always talking about...
Bob Baer?
No, not Bob Baer.
The other guy, the...
Bolton?
No, what's his name?
He's not Gates.
Some other guy.
We've talked about him a lot.
I don't know.
If I said his name, oh yeah, that guy.
He's always...
He's been scheming to be the head of cyber for a while.
He's written a couple books.
What's the matter, honey?
Are you not feeling well?
Is it John's fault?
Yes.
She has Ebola.
That's probably going around again, which looks a lot like Ebola.
So you don't know who that guy is?
I'll think of it later.
Coming to you from FEMA Region 6 in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley, where it's, I don't know what, well, the tide is out.
I'm John C. Dvorak.
We'll be back on Thursday right here.
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It is gross.
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