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May 22, 2014 - No Agenda

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619: Droves of Jihadis

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	When we're in trouble, I expect help from the chat room.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, May 22nd, 2014.
	It's time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 619er.
	This is No Agenda.
	Podcasting from tomorrow.
	For the last time in the Hot Pocket Wasabi Tour Love Hotel in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And podcasting from the past in Detroit, Michigan.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's crazy.
	That's right.
	This is the only podcast that is broadcasting on two different days simultaneously.
	Yeah, in the future and in the present, or actually the past.
	That's right.
	I'm actually in a town called Ypsilanti, which is known by the locals as Yips.
	Ypsilanti?
	Yeah, which is just outside of Ann Arbor.
	Okay, so I'm still in Tokyo, Japan.
	This is the last night we'll be here.
	It is 12.12 a.m., and after the show and the post-production and everything, I'll go to bed for a few hours, and then we will leave for...
	Narita Airport to fly back to the Travis Heights hideout.
	John is outside Ann Arbor, Michigan, you said?
	Yeah, between Ann Arbor and Detroit.
	And it's a very interesting experience being around here.
	And I'm sitting on, I might as well mention this, I want to thank Merit Networks for, I'm actually sitting on a fiber.
	Oh!
	Which is maybe the biggest in Michigan.
	Essentially, on this connection, I'm 100 up and 100 down.
	You know, our connection right now between the two of us is not the problem.
	No.
	I've had other issues, just to get all this started.
	Now, are you in a hotel room, or are you working in someone's office?
	I mean, actually, I gave a speech to this group, which is a fantastic operation, I might add.
	They essentially...
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Did the check clear?
	Yeah.
	Fantastic operation, yes.
	Great outfit.
	Fantastic operation.
	So they...
	Anyway, I asked them.
	We had a meet-up.
	We're having another No Agenda meet-up tonight.
	Oh, great.
	Anyone who's listening in the Michigan area, I think it's going to be at the Rusty Bucket in Plymouth at around 7.30, 7 or 7.30.
	Okay.
	Anyway, it's kind of a little business, so I don't have to email everybody.
	Anyway, I'm sure they're not listening.
	They'll pick up the show on Saturday.
	Why don't you just hop into the...
	In fact, I got an email from one of our producers here.
	It's like, hey, I hear you're in Tokyo.
	I can't wait to meet you.
	Are you doing a meetup?
	Like, okay.
	Yeah, he says, no, I'm a few shows behind.
	See, this is exactly what happens.
	I know.
	We just tell people not to...
	Well, you can't think about it.
	But that's what's going to happen when I get back to California.
	I'm going to get a bunch of people saying that they wanted to meet up Anyway, so I'm actually in a boardroom where they dropped me a, where I got an internet direct connection, but the problem is this boardroom is in the, where they're having a conference.
	Oh.
	And the conference, they have these meeting rooms all around me, and every time it lets out about once every hour, it's just, it's a cacophony of people yakking in the hall, and it may come through on the show.
	Is it a, Is it one of those glass conference rooms where everyone sees you sitting there?
	No, no, no.
	This is closed.
	But I have to say, I've been to a lot of different events, but this thing that these guys do...
	Now tell me, what is this event?
	It's just a...
	I don't even know what they call it.
	They have different names for each day.
	But Merit Networks puts on this event for its members, which are mostly school districts, and it turns out that Michigan has...
	Apparently thousands of school districts and lots of schools and lots of colleges, more than you'd think.
	I mean, right in the area, just outside of this town, I'm driving to Ann Arbor on a back road, and I say, oh, there's the big, giant University of Michigan stadium, which is in Ann Arbor.
	But it wasn't.
	It was the Eastern Michigan University, Eastern Michigan stadium.
	And there's just like school after school that I've never heard of.
	Whatever the case, although I've heard of Eastern Michigan, they bring all these guys in to discuss current security issues, internet...
	Cyber!
	Cyber, John!
	Are you doing cyber?
	Are you doing a cyber conference?
	And the most interesting guy so far has been this guy Haldeman from University of Michigan who apparently University of Michigan has something going on in the computer science department called the censorship resistance movement.
	And they spend a lot of time dreaming up kind of screwball protocols and things that you can use to bypass censorship mechanisms around the world and they keep experimenting with these things and they've got one now they think works.
	Well, isn't the main thing proxies?
	Yeah, but the problem is the Chinese...
	Like, if you get a proxy, you say you're a proxy guy in China, you get a proxy using a proxy in China, the Chinese just shut down the proxies.
	You know, they find them first.
	Of course, you can get some stuff for a while.
	You gotta find them.
	It seems to be easier than...
	Using a proxy, from what I understand, I have spoken to a number of people here.
	In fact, getting YouTube here...
	At times, it's very problematic, particularly Russia Today.
	You know, the Japanese and the Russians, they don't like each other.
	Oh, so you can't get...
	Oh, that's funny.
	Yeah, so whenever I've been trying to look at some Russia Today stuff, very hard to get to it, and then I flip on the proxy, and boom, you know, I'm good to go.
	Well, the technique they're using is proxy-less on the recipient side, so you don't use a proxy.
	You have this piece of code that is being updated.
	This is for extreme censorship, not the casual Japanese stuff.
	You know, if you want to get into Saudi Arabia.
	And they have it, so there's a tag in the header that is very, it's encrypted, it doesn't really mean anything.
	But when it's received by the ISP on the other side of the ocean, it triggers a, oh, okay, and it reroutes the IP address of whatever it is you're looking for, and it comes in with a different IP address and encrypted.
	So you can sneak stuff around.
	And it's a very interesting thing.
	And you were at this conference to tell everybody that the internet as they know it is fucked and nothing is going to be good?
	Yeah, and I got a huge cheer.
	This was your new speech, right?
	Yeah, my new speech, which says everything is bad.
	And so it went over well.
	And actually, the people that were in the room, essentially the speech condemned them all.
	This always works.
	It always works.
	Yeah, no, they loved it.
	Did you get any in the mornings?
	Anyone there?
	Yeah, there's actually quite a few fans in the audience.
	Which I thought was interesting.
	Not to mention the people that went to the meetup.
	Right, of course.
	There's a good group too, and I do have some stories when we have a donation from one of them that resulted in a very funny story.
	Oh, good.
	But just generally speaking, this area, Detroit, I recommend people visit it just to go driving around because Detroit is the weirdest place I've ever seen.
	It's impossible to catch with just simple pictures.
	You actually have to experience it.
	It is a desolation of some sort.
	The downtown's fine because they've essentially torn down everything that's bad and then they've rebuilt most of it and they've got a lot of cool stuff there.
	But the outskirts, it's not even really the outskirts, but just outside of the center of town and then further and further out.
	It's the weirdest thing because you could look at it, and I would take a lot of pictures.
	There's a forum called Ruination Photography, which I'm apparently a member of now.
	You go around and you see these huge, beautiful apartment buildings that were built in 1915 or 1925, that kind of era stuff, and it's just abandoned.
	And just abandoned.
	It's just like there's nothing there.
	And these are the buildings that you can buy for a buck as long as you pay the taxes and fix it up or...
	Turns out that buying this stuff for a buck is easier said than done.
	But yeah, these are the kind of buildings.
	But then again, you're screwed on some other basis because of the back taxes.
	And I talked to some people yesterday about this as I was touring one of the areas.
	And about the real key to success to fix all this is that the banks, you have property and it's sitting there.
	Somebody's got to pay property tax.
	Right.
	Yeah, exactly.
	If the banks had to pay the property tax because they now own it because people walked from the deal because they just left the place and abandoned it.
	But the banks aren't paying the taxes.
	Because they've written themselves out of the law, so they don't have to pay the taxes on all this property they've accumulated.
	Well, why not?
	I mean, they own us.
	They rule us.
	They're our slave masters.
	Why would they have to pay taxes?
	That makes no sense.
	It makes sense to me.
	That would be crazy.
	And Jamie Dimon, wasn't he just in Detroit with a $100 million investment, probably buying up some property?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but it's probably going to be downtown.
	I don't think they're buying up too much out on the outskirts.
	Most of the downtown is owned by pretty much one company.
	They also own the Detroit Tigers, and then they own a bunch of buildings, and they own a lot of the downtown.
	And you could make a guess who it is, but you'd never guess.
	Little Caesars.
	Pizza Pizza?
	Pizza Pizza.
	The family that owns Little Caesars owns most of downtown Detroit.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	And they own the Tigers.
	And Tiger Stadium, if anybody likes baseball, this is one beautiful place.
	It's like they got giant tiger statues out in front growling at you.
	It's just astonishing what a pretty park that is.
	But anyway, so I talked about this with Mimi and some of the locals about the feeling you get when you're in these areas that are just literally abandoned.
	It's a bit like the Ninth Ward post-Katrina idea, maybe?
	You know, the Ninth Ward is more of a disaster area.
	There's three kinds of things.
	There's the disaster area, and I've been to the Ninth Ward after the disaster.
	Yeah, as were we on the Hot Pockets tour.
	Right.
	And you go through there and you see all this and you see, you know, people trying to catch, you know, they're trying to rebuild.
	This is different.
	And this, you know, they like to call it blight, but this isn't blight.
	Blight is also different.
	Blight is an area that's just crap and people are living there.
	This is like a ghost town.
	It's got this ghost town feeling.
	There's nobody around in many of these places.
	And if there are, they're just stragglers who yell at you if they see you taking pictures.
	Right.
	But it's like being in a ghost town.
	Hey, you white privileged man!
	You!
	Get off of my lawn!
	Pretty much.
	But this ghost town idea is...
	If you go to a modern ghost town, some of the newer ghost towns that have been completely abandoned, there's always one or two people living there still.
	And that's kind of like the way this is in some parts of this town.
	But it's ghost town, not blight.
	And it's just like...
	It's weirdly pathetic and creepy.
	And you keep thinking to yourself...
	What other places could this happen to?
	Because the population...
	Travis Heights, Austin, Texas.
	I'm thinking the same thing.
	New York City would be the best.
	But if you take a city that went for...
	I think there's like 2.2 million people here.
	And then when everyone abandoned the city...
	And it took a little while.
	It wasn't overnight.
	It began...
	I thought it began in the 60s with the riots, but now I'm looking at, I went to the Packard factory yesterday.
	As in the old car, Packard?
	Yes, the factory is still there.
	Oh, nice.
	It's a mess, of course.
	It's completely gutted and it's in ruins.
	But the thing is, a mile by a mile, it is a giant mess.
	And I have a movie I'll post on it.
	And that closed in 1958.
	Huh.
	It started to decay.
	And that's when it all began, when they started abandoning these car factories.
	And the Packard factory may be the initial...
	So it took this long to get where it is, which means it's not going to reverse that fast.
	It has to be rebuilt from scratch, essentially, the whole area.
	So it's a long process, it seems to me, to get to this abandonment.
	And I think it could happen in San Francisco.
	I think it could happen in Chicago.
	Cool.
	Cool, and you'll be there to report on everything that takes place.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Love it.
	But once you get outside and back into the Ann Arbor, places like that, I mean, so it's fine, but...
	How about Chrysler, HG? I used to have Chrysler as a client back in the 90s, and we built...
	We actually built one of those first dealer network kind of websites and was called...
	I think we had a name for it, of course, like Web Mechanic or something.
	It was one of really the first dealer locators and then the Mopar parts and all this.
	And we would go to headquarters and it was kind of...
	At that point, even in the mid-90s, things were dire in Detroit.
	But the headquarters was one of those glass buildings and they had all the really big Star Trek chairs everywhere.
	Really old school Motor City, if you will.
	You know what I mean?
	Well, the building that fits that bill is the General Motors building, which is still downtown Detroit and it's beautiful.
	Right.
	And it's huge.
	It's a big, big building.
	It says General Motors in the top.
	And all the factories that still make cars or at least piece them together from parts made in Mexico are still in the outskirts of town.
	I mean, Lansing and Detroit and places like that.
	Or not Detroit, but Dearborn.
	But Detroit itself, which did, I guess, have the Packer factory and a couple other...
	And there's a lot of industrial...
	I mean, I don't even know what these places are.
	I ran into one a couple days ago.
	It's a huge, again, mile-long facility that is just all bricks.
	They made these things out of bricks.
	It's like a...
	If you've been to the mill area in New Hampshire where there are all these abandoned mills because there were production facilities there for making clothes and things and material, and they're just all abandoned, this is the same thing on steroids.
	These buildings are massive.
	It's weird.
	I recommend people come out here.
	So essentially you're kind of living in Atlas Shrugged is what you're saying.
	Yeah!
	Yeah, I got to do it!
	By Ayn Rand.
	Yeah.
	Essentially, it's definitely a trip, I have to say.
	If you're a photographer, it's a dream come true.
	Don't let Mickey hear it.
	Don't let Mickey hear it.
	Oh, she'd love it.
	She would go crazy taking pictures.
	Well, I gotta tell you, we went crazy tonight.
	Here in Tokyo.
	And I don't think this was around when you were last in Tokyo.
	Many people have told me about it, but we went to the Robot Bar.
	Are you familiar with this phenomenon?
	No, and I definitely did not see that.
	Oh, man.
	And it's one of these things.
	In a way, it's like what you're describing with the buildings, where it doesn't really translate in a photograph, kind of like how the...
	The Grand Canyon doesn't translate.
	The robot bar, you have to think, it's a cross between...
	First of all, you're on acid.
	I don't know if you've ever done acid.
	I think you might have, but you wouldn't admit to it.
	And I've never done it, but I've done DMT. Some say it's close to that.
	So it's an acid trip, and it's like you're in Vegas...
	But it's a show, and the show is Russia's opening of the Winter Olympics with robots.
	And hot chicks.
	Yeah, that would be very hard to imagine, unless you saw it.
	Just Google Robot Bar Tokyo so you can see some pictures.
	And, of course, Sir Mark and Dame Astrid took us.
	And these people, they've been so nice and so gracious as hosts.
	Besides, you know, Dame Astrid letting us have her pied-à-terre.
	You know, they have a big pitch tomorrow.
	And like, oh, no, we've got to go to the robot bar.
	And it was the most bizarre experience.
	Either Mickey or...
	And, of course, you know, they have audience participation.
	And they've got, like, robots boxing and stuff.
	And as we're coming in...
	The guy at the door goes, oh, you want to fight Robot?
	And, oh, pretty tall girl want to fight Robot.
	And Mickey's like, no, I don't want to do it.
	And he goes, yes, you do.
	Yes, you do.
	And Mark and I are like, yeah, she does.
	And we got the best seats, of course.
	Because, you know, you get like seat number 100, right in the middle, perfect positioning.
	But this is, it was like, Really high fidelity, really low tech.
	And it was like a modern day circus.
	Anyone who's been to the robot bar in Tokyo will know what I'm talking about.
	I wish I could explain how it works and what it is, but it's unexplainable, inexplicable really.
	Other than it was just an insane experience.
	It looks like a party.
	I'm looking at the photos.
	It's pretty cool.
	And everything's gaffer tape and plastic, but it looks super real.
	It's just hard to explain.
	Yeah, well, that's the same kind of thing.
	Some of these things, there are a lot of things around the world that you have to actually go witness.
	You just got to do it.
	You got to do it.
	You can't.
	And even virtual, you could take the Google...
	Go on Google Maps and then get Street View and drive around Detroit.
	You could.
	You'd see a lot of this stuff, but it's still not the same.
	No, no, no.
	Because there is an atmosphere that's hard to describe.
	I can imagine.
	Wow, what an international show we have here, John.
	I'm...
	Well, and then on top of that, so I'm at this event to listen to these.
	This is one of the best events I've ever been to because the speakers are so interesting, including the guy this morning from the EU going on about the Council of Europe and all this bull crap.
	It was unbelievable.
	Those are the guys that really, I think, run the show, the Council of Europe.
	No, I think the European Council runs the show and then the Council of Europe, which is different.
	The Council of Europe?
	Oh, no, that's the business association.
	The Council of Europe is the...
	No, it's the Human Rights Organization.
	Oh, okay.
	It's so confusing.
	Hey, by the way, everyone's voting today.
	Today, the EU parliamentary vote starts, and it goes...
	It's a three-day party.
	So everyone in Europe is supposed to go out and vote.
	Good for them.
	Whatever you do, don't vote for those right-wing Nazi parties.
	No, because what will happen?
	Like UKIP and Freedom Party in Holland and Le Pen in France.
	Don't vote for them.
	They're all neo-Nazis.
	Talking about neo-Nazis, so concurrent with the event I'm at, there is a law enforcement event.
	And it's all, the whole thing is focused on sobriety, home arrest, and they've got all the tracking devices here, and they're all, everyone's pitching.
	I went and chatted with these guys, they're all pitching their device, their little anklet, ankle bracelet.
	They've all got, here's, I'm looking at this press release.
	Oh, the Lindsay Lohan jewelry?
	Yeah.
	Soberlink SL2. There's all these things.
	Soberlink SL2. We here at Soberlink think that we have the perfect device to deter your customer from leaving their area.
	Well, the Soberlink SL2 is the monitoring device, so it's different than the ankle bracelet.
	This is the rugged one-piece mobile alcohol monitoring device that measures breath Yes, I'm looking at their webpage right now.
	This is interesting.
	Listen to this.
	The SL2 incorporates adaptive facial recognition, evidentiary grade fuel cell technology, and multiple acquisition technology to ensure the client is accurately identified and tested.
	Hello.
	Client.
	These tests are properly reported to the central monitoring computer system via cellular connection.
	So essentially you've got to be breathing in this thing all day.
	This is great.
	It has a little webcam.
	It's because they don't want, like if I'm the drunk and I'm supposed to be breathing, they say, I can't give it to you to breathe into.
	So that's why you need the facial recognition.
	Now you could use one of those masks, a picture of yourself.
	That's great.
	It has temper detection sensors, high resolution camera, DOT grade fuel cell.
	Nice.
	And a little tube, a little tube to blow.
	Although, you know, if you brush your teeth and you use mouthwash, apparently these things get set off.
	Oh yeah, you can't do that.
	You have to have bad breath.
	Yeah, one of my friends, I'm reliably informed, this is a very, it is a hideous thing.
	And it runs on Verizon.
	There you go.
	Which means you gotta pay that bill too.
	Oh yeah, no, you have to pay rental for the device, you have to pay for the service, the monthly service, you have to pay for the thing to be installed.
	Oh yeah, and it's run by Mothers Against Drunk Driving.
	So I've gone through, there's a bunch of these booths, and they have all kinds of different things.
	And of course, I took pens from everybody.
	There's one product called the Atom, which I got the pen, I'm sending it to you.
	Oh, cool.
	It says Atom on it.
	It's the automated detection and monitoring or something like that.
	Yeah, of course, they'd have an acronym for me, wouldn't they?
	Yeah, of course.
	So I'm going to each one of these booths.
	That self-driving cars are going to put you guys out of business.
	Oh.
	Well, you know, it's funny you say that.
	I was in the show notes, which is a little discombobulated today.
	There was...
	Let me see if I can find this.
	A really good story about the self-driving car.
	And the story...
	I'm skeptical about the self-driving car business anyway.
	But when you think about how much money municipalities and cities and states make on traffic violations...
	Yeah, no, they're done.
	All the cities are done.
	Yeah, and so this Google, the Google car apparently is now driven 700,000 miles without a single traffic violation.
	Yeah, traffic cops.
	Yeah, well, this will never happen.
	So this thing will never get its permission.
	It's not going to happen.
	No way.
	Well, there's that.
	You can make that argument because that would be exactly what I... If I was in the city, I would not allow the cars to exist.
	It was a slash dot story.
	Here it is.
	I got it here.
	Driverless cars could cripple law enforcement budgets.
	Yeah.
	Isn't that great?
	They should.
	Yeah.
	Most cops, they don't do policing.
	They just give you traffic tickets.
	There would be no traffic tickets.
	There would be no traffic police.
	All this stuff would be gone.
	The infrastructure, the whole thing.
	Now, if you want to drive by the hookers, how does that work?
	Do you program it in?
	Does it know how to slow down and do the cruise?
	I don't know.
	That's a good question.
	We have to figure that one out.
	Or how about just cruising for gay boys?
	I mean, does it have a cruise mode?
	Well, it could stop you.
	You could say, stop.
	Stop car.
	I want to talk to somebody.
	Stop!
	Okay, Google, stop!
	Oh!
	Oh my god.
	Two days ago, we were in the Takashita Street, which is where all the Japanese schoolgirls are.
	No, three days ago.
	You keep hanging out there for some reason.
	Well, Mickey wanted to take pictures.
	And by the way, when you read the name, the sign, it looks like, Take Shida.
	But anyway, that's just me.
	And there are not a lot of gaijin, like, foreigners in Tokyo.
	We kind of stick out.
	And if you see someone else who's...
	I'll bet you do.
	...clearly not Japanese, they stick out.
	And there were these woman and man, boy and girl, probably mid-30s maybe.
	And he was a glass hole with a blue, a powder blue...
	Google Glass, and they were just kind of hanging out.
	And we walked past them, and of course, Mickey and I were like, pfft, glazzle.
	And then they showed up in the robot bar tonight.
	All dressed up.
	Oh, that's...
	Yeah, that's Japanese intelligence.
	They're following you.
	No, but they're not...
	They're American, I think.
	Oh, CIA's following you.
	No, I think it's like Vice Magazine or doing some kind of documentary.
	Japan Through Glass or some bullcrap.
	I could just smell them.
	They were up to no good.
	I didn't like it.
	Didn't like it at all.
	Hey, can I give you a few last Japanese impressions before, or impressions of Japan, I should say?
	Some things that I've noticed and things that happened before we move on to other pressing matters.
	Yeah, other pressing matters.
	Yes.
	First of all, Paul McCartney was supposed to perform here.
	Yeah.
	And he, first he delayed his, he was supposed to do two nights, he delayed one, and he wound up canceling the two gigs because he had the norovirus.
	Noro, yeah.
	Noro only lasts two days.
	There's no reason to do that, but okay.
	Well, he showed up last minute, not like the Rolling Stones who show up ten days ahead of time and get acclimated.
	So he showed up last minute, got sick, and on the day of the event, yeah, well then you can't do it.
	Exactly.
	I've had Noro.
	Actually, most people have had it.
	It's poopitout.com.
	It's poop and puke.
	Yay!
	And it's miserable, and it lasts about two days max.
	But if you're Paul McCartney, why do you admit to that?
	I mean, anything but I'm pukin' and poopin'.
	It's just not a good vibe for...
	You don't want to think about the beetle poopin' and pukin'.
	No, no, it's not good.
	Yeah, it's like, broke my arm, you know, something...
	You gotta have something cool.
	Skateboard accident.
	Anything.
	Yeah, skiing accident.
	Skiing accident.
	Now, here's something very annoying.
	We're here in Tokyo, and of course we're using Mickey's iPhone with Google Maps.
	And Mickey uses Google Maps, or I think maybe Apple Maps, Google Maps.
	But the same with Apple Maps.
	When you're using it in Tokyo, it goes upside down.
	So, unlike, we're driving in Texas.
	And the north is north, and you're going in the direction.
	Yes, you're going heads up, direction up.
	And here, it's direction down.
	And you can't change it.
	You have to literally turn the phone upside down Yeah, because you're not used to that.
	But why?
	Why is it doing this?
	It must be some cultural thing.
	That's the way they've done their apps or something.
	No, because Naname...
	You'd think it would be sideways.
	Hey, John, good one.
	Astrid's daughter, she was also complaining about it.
	Yeah, I know.
	I have the same thing on my maps.
	And it's all our friends.
	These kids are kids.
	These kids know this.
	Hey, and I got the cool Hip Kid app.
	What all the kids are using is Line.
	Are you familiar with it?
	Line.
	L-I-N-E? L-I-N-E. That's what all the cool kids are using here.
	So they asked if you wanted a line?
	Is that what the cool kids are doing?
	Instead of WhatsApp, they use Line.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, pay attention.
	This will be the next thing that someone will buy for $10 billion.
	If all the Asians are on it.
	And of course, I install it and immediately everybody in my contacts gets spent.
	Line me.
	Line, yeah.
	I did a ham contact.
	I took the KX3, my mobile rig, which I had, you know, we went to Akiyabara.
	I think I told you about that.
	We went to get my little connector that I'd left at home.
	And then I took the rig into the park, strung up an antenna, Half over some...
	I was kind of in the corner of the...
	of the park, the Empress Park.
	And I was doing a CW contact.
	I got a QSO going with Japanese ham.
	It was very confused.
	Because I'm just using my U.S. call.
	He's like, I can't believe how strong your signal is.
	Mm-hmm.
	And I was kind of sitting on the ledge.
	American technology.
	I was sitting on the ledge and the cop comes over.
	And he's like, I'm like, oh man, I'm busted.
	Because, of course, I didn't get the paperwork to do this stuff.
	Officially, you have to fill out paperwork six months in advance to get some permission.
	Oh, I didn't know that.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's not in every country, but in Japan you do.
	Okay, yeah.
	But he comes over.
	I'm busted.
	He's like, no, no, no, no.
	Get out.
	Rise, rise.
	I'm like, what?
	It was disrespectful for me to be sitting.
	He didn't mind the wire strung from a monument into the tree, transmitting illegally.
	But it was the sitting that was a problem.
	I said, okay, that's fine.
	And what?
	What happened?
	No, and I stood up and he said, okay.
	You were sitting on something you weren't supposed to be sitting on?
	Yeah, you're not allowed to sit.
	I was sitting on a little, kind of the edge of the park, on a ledge.
	Oh, yeah, you can't sit on it.
	It was disrespectful, yeah.
	Which, by the way, drinking or eating and walking is also considered wrong and not good.
	You can't walk and drink at the same time?
	Well, you can.
	People are frowned upon.
	Yeah, but it's like, what, you can't just sit and enjoy your meal?
	So I assume that loud cell phone calls are frowned upon?
	I have yet to hear a loud cell phone call here in Japan.
	Everybody's walking.
	First of all, you walk on the street and we've just been walking around everywhere.
	The Japanese, I have to say, pretty much are zombies.
	And they even kind of walk with a Frankenstein type...
	Have you ever noticed how the Japanese walk?
	Adam at Curry.com.
	Seriously!
	It's kind of like they're falling forward, like they're shuffling their feet a little bit.
	They have this zombie walk.
	You know what I'm talking about.
	Yeah!
	Actually, they do drag their feet in a funny way, in a very Japanese-like manner.
	And I don't know what that is.
	And then they kind of just are staring...
	Now, the schoolgirls, you know, they're giggly and stuff.
	That's what schoolgirls do.
	But in general, people are just zombified.
	And it is also, hey, if you want to know why we're behind, now, of course, I've gotten a little bit of the business community here through Mark and Astrid, our super uber producers, Viscount, Viscountess.
	People work until 10 at night, midnight.
	It's normal here.
	They work their ass off.
	You can't compete with this.
	These people don't care.
	I've had so many people that have lived there for a long time tell me that this...
	Because I noticed that too when I was over there.
	They never go home and in fact in some neighborhoods outside of Tokyo...
	Well, if you show up at home first in the neighborhood...
	Yeah.
	And...
	I was told by some guys just there all the time, I said, this is bullcrap.
	He says most of the guys, yeah, they stay at work for a long time, and then they don't go clubbing, but they go out to dinner with their buddies, and they hang out and they drink, and then they stay out as long as they can so they won't be the humiliated one that shows up at home too soon.
	And they make sure they get their cab, whatever, get their train ride.
	I guess the train stopped working at midnight and you have to cab it out to the outskirts if you don't pay attention.
	But they all head out as late as they can.
	And the fact that they don't work that hard.
	This guy says that they work smarter than Americans.
	And if you look at the productivity numbers, our numbers are still higher because we actually do work hard.
	I think this is a myth of the Japanese.
	There is a point that it takes three of them to one of us.
	I see that too.
	I can just see it.
	I can see that there's just a lack of actual...
	They're putting the hours in, but I don't think the productivity is there.
	It's just a generalized statement, everybody.
	Don't get all mad at me.
	It's just kind of a general thing.
	Meanwhile, the country here is currently, of course, running on gas from Australia, as they are still working on restoring power through nuclear power plants.
	And here's something, you might have known this.
	There are two different electricity networks in Japan.
	And they pretty much west and east, if you look at Japan as west and east, north-south kind of, but northeast-southwest.
	And right around the middle point there, there's a divide.
	And when Fukushima hit...
	There was plenty of electricity and power available in the South, but they literally could not send it up North.
	Do you know why?
	No.
	I'm so happy you didn't know this one.
	There are two networks.
	The one in the northeast...
	Is it because one is 110 and the other is 220?
	No, no.
	One is 60 hertz.
	No, one is 50.
	So the 60 hertz network was built by GE, and the 50 hertz network was built by AEG, by the Germans, and so they can't convert it.
	Yeah, that's hard to convert.
	I mean, you could.
	It's not worth it.
	No, it's not worth it.
	It's not worth it.
	Not worth it.
	How effed is that?
	You know, I did know the answer to that because I remember when I was over there and I was in some, you know, there was some situation with what can, you know...
	I was reading about the two different 60s and 50s and this and that, and I'm thinking, this is weird.
	What are you supposed to do?
	I think Tokyo was 60, wasn't it?
	Tokyo is 60, yes.
	Tokyo is 60.
	This is exactly the same as the US, and then Osaka is 50.
	And this Tokyo-Osaka rivalry thing is very strange.
	An example, they have the 50-60 cycles.
	Also, when you are in the subway in Tokyo, you stand on the left so people can walk by on the right.
	In Osaka, you stand on the right so people can walk by on the left.
	This is a weird country, man.
	That's funny.
	Yeah.
	And the economy, there's a big problem.
	First of all, it's cheaper than Austin here.
	I've been here long enough to say, cheaper than Austin and no tipping.
	Wow.
	No tipping.
	I love this place.
	It's because you're cheap.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm a good tipper.
	I always tip 20%.
	It's also because it's easy.
	You're obviously annoyed by this.
	I don't know the common core.
	I'm just like, oh, it's 20%.
	I can figure that out.
	Just times two.
	And then divided by ten.
	Or a hundred or whatever.
	Ten.
	Yeah, I got it.
	Here's your tip.
	But here, it's beautiful.
	You save so much money.
	And also, you don't have the feeling that someone's looking at you like, asshole.
	You didn't tip me in it.
	You know, none of that.
	None of that.
	I love that concept.
	It's really, really good.
	No tipping.
	And it's, man, I'm telling you, we're having a meal, the two of us, for 20 bucks with alcohol.
	Yeah.
	No way could you find that anywhere else in the U.S. No way.
	Not in a restaurant.
	Well, no one's ever made this accusation that Tokyo's cheaper than Austin, but okay.
	Currently, with the no tipping, it is cheaper than Austin.
	Of course, the economy, the problem that they have is, well, there's a lot of them, but everybody was kind of waiting to see if they would get the Olympics.
	Then they got the Olympics for 2020.
	And of course, I know a little bit about the scene now.
	Everyone started jacking up their prices for buildings, and no one has the money now.
	It's like this big standstill, and stuff is not really happening.
	But probably in the next couple of years, it'll really pick up.
	You've got to figure that the Olympics is going to be a huge economic boom.
	And then, what I've told our knight and dame here, of course, what will happen is it will ruin the country, as it's intended to do.
	Yeah, no, every time anybody gets...
	I think there's only one Olympics in history that ever made money, and that was the one that Uber Off, or whatever his name is, did in L.A., I think, one year.
	Right, with Lionel Richie and the flying pianos.
	That was a good one.
	And it was...
	But they already had the Coliseum.
	They had all of the facilities.
	They didn't build a bunch of new crap.
	That's where you lose your ass.
	And they have the 1964 Olympic Stadium here.
	But are we going to...
	No, we can't reuse that.
	No, we're going to build a whole new one.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, can't do that.
	I don't know.
	So what kind of news are you getting over there?
	Actually, before we get into that, I wanted to talk about this.
	I put this clip, I grabbed this clip, this old clip, because you were talking about the thing about the shopping malls.
	And what was it again?
	What do you mean?
	What do you mean about the shopping malls?
	They were doing, I said I had the tape of the exercises going on in shopping malls because they were doing, one of the agencies was worried about shopping malls or something like that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you actually don't remember.
	I remember that, but I don't remember what I said about it.
	Well, that's what I was wondering, if you could remember what you said.
	I probably went, yeah, whatever, John.
	Shopping mall.
	Okay.
	Well, the reason I went and I said, I've got the clip that's perfect, but I don't have the I don't have it.
	I didn't send it this week.
	But now that you don't remember what you were talking about, the clip has less meaning.
	But it was about something about shopping malls.
	And I had this clip that I wanted to play.
	Well, maybe we play the clip.
	I'll remember.
	Okay, well, here's the clip.
	This is the Hayward Mall exercise.
	This is a drill for terrorists, I presume.
	Yeah, a drill for who knows what.
	Of course.
	Terrorists.
	You'll get the who knows what part when you hear the kicker.
	Well, in Hayward, don't panic.
	It's only a drill.
	A drill that Kristen says involves a lot of guys running around with guns.
	Kristen?
	Yeah, that's right.
	FBI agents asking people in Hayward to stay away from Southland Mall tonight.
	And you can see why all of those emergency vehicles, ambulances behind me, SWAT vehicles.
	This is, as you said, just a drill inside the mall.
	law enforcement, mall security, firefighters, and paramedics all practicing what to do in the event of a terror attack or a mall shooting.
	There will be actors and role players, and these guys will be out here at least until three in the morning running through these scenarios.
	FBI agents telling us tonight it's pretty rare that all of these agencies get to come together and coordinate something like this, and what they are actually doing inside is top secret.
	Okay, I still don't remember what it was, but it does tie into something else.
	I think they're rehearsing.
	Yes.
	This is actors and players.
	No, they're rehearsing.
	They're rehearsing.
	They're rehearsing.
	I can tell you exactly what for.
	So there's two types of news I've been receiving.
	One is local Asian news.
	For instance, I only heard about Solange Knowles yesterday.
	I didn't know anything about this elevator, seriously, until yesterday.
	And I'm not a disconnected guy.
	I mean, I'm clearly not reading TMZ. So there's all this other stuff that I am aware of.
	But there's also just CNN. They are so good with propagating whatever formula is brought out.
	And there is this...
	So it's clear we need...
	We've messed up everything.
	Ukraine is messed up.
	By the way, they're going to be voting on the 25th, so that's just a couple days away.
	Syria is severely messed up, and the whole idea was we were supposed to stop that pipeline, the Islamic pipeline as it's known, the Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline, and help our buddies there from Qatar and have the pipeline move up from Qatar into Turkey.
	So we messed all that up.
	And now the Assad regime...
	It's kicking everybody out, and all the Al-Qaeda fighters, you know, they're getting on buses and leaving because it's not working out.
	They're busting them out.
	So we need to go.
	We need to take some serious steps.
	We've got to bomb this place.
	We've got to move in.
	We've got to do it.
	So we need to create a new narrative, and the narrative is safe haven in Syria.
	This is it.
	The new one, the safe haven in Syria.
	In Syria, amid the fighting, Al-Qaeda is planting its flag, leading to a dire warning from the director of the FBI about the rise of Al-Qaeda affiliates.
	This was a beauty.
	Comey, the former HSBC banker, Who became FBI director so he could help, you know, the laundering of all the money.
	He was testifying about the FBI in the Senate for almost a good two hours.
	So just gems of clips coming out of this guy's pie hole.
	His progeny throughout the Middle East and Africa are virulent and bent on doing great harm to Americans abroad and here at home.
	Woo!
	Virulent.
	Virulent.
	Doing great harm to Americans abroad and here at home.
	Stand by.
	Wait for it.
	Get ready for your mall.
	He says one of the most virulent threats.
	Virulent again?
	Oh, you're using a meme.
	Well, it's not the virulent.
	It's the safe haven.
	It's the safe haven.
	An opportunity that is attracting droves of jihadis.
	Droves of jihadis.
	What is a drove?
	How many in a drove, John?
	It depends on what kind of a drove we're talking about.
	Is cattle?
	It's got to be at least a hundred.
	I think we should evaluate.
	How...
	Just hold on a second.
	I need to know this.
	What drove?
	How many units in a drove?
	Let's see.
	I'm using DuckDuckGo, by the way, which I'm finding quite nice.
	Let me give my opinion on this.
	DuckDuckGo is great because, you know, they don't keep all your searches and all the rest of it.
	But then it puts some code in your browser.
	So DuckDuckGo shows up in moments when you're using Google.
	It shows as DuckDuckGo.
	It's annoying.
	Well, they have the DuckDuckGo net.
	They have a new, like a beta search engine, and it was very easy to configure Firefox to use it, and so I'm kind of evaluating it.
	At least I'm not being tracked by Google.
	Okay, how many units in a drug?
	Well, DuckDuckGo fails.
	Well, here I'm looking at the definition of essentially a large group of people or animals that move or act together.
	He's calling them animals.
	How racist is that?
	To come to Syria to learn new things, build new relationships.
	Apparently there's a Tinder app in Syria where you can learn new things.
	We're having a conference and there's going to be a webinar followed by a webinar on new things.
	New things on the webinar.
	And we make new contacts.
	Hey, Richard, I'm...
	Hey, did you see these guys with the...
	We could exchange some cards.
	No, no, no.
	It's a social meeting.
	He's got a name tag.
	Hi, my name is Mohammed.
	Come to Syria to learn new things, build new relationships, and then most dangerously of all, at some point, to flow out of Syria.
	There will be a terrorist diaspora out of Syria.
	This guy's loaded with stuff.
	There will be a terrorist diaspora.
	We in law enforcement, national security, and the intelligence community are determined not to allow lines to be drawn between an outflow from Syria and future 9-11s.
	Future 9-11s.
	That's really pouring it on pretty thick when you're doing future 9-11s.
	The U.S. estimates 70 or more Americans have gone to Syria to fight.
	Nobody knows how many are back in the U.S. Well, wouldn't the Customs and Border Patrol know?
	Yeah, you'd think they would know when they come in.
	Why don't they know who came back?
	Let me stop for a second.
	What happens when Mickey comes into the country?
	She gets detained.
	Well, then they would do that with all these people for sure.
	You would think?
	Yes.
	I mean, unless they're sneaking in through Canada or Mexico, which seems those borders are even harder.
	Many are back in the U.S. Comey joins a chorus of national security officials...
	A chorus of national security officials who all sang acapella.
	Increasingly warning of the threat of an al-Qaeda attack in the U.S. by fighters from Syria.
	We're seeing now the appearance of training complexes in Syria to train people to go back to their countries.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	They know of training complexes in Syria?
	Is that what he just said?
	Yes, yes.
	Why don't they just bomb it?
	That's the point.
	You're catching on real quick, John.
	That's the point.
	The whole idea is to go bomb.
	The threat of an al-Qaeda attack in the U.S. by fighters from Syria.
	We're seeing now the appearance of training complexes in Syria to train people to go back to their countries and, of course, conduct more terrorist acts.
	And now, a new revelation.
	Uh-oh.
	Are you sitting down?
	Your fiber might overheat from the new revelation, John.
	The al-Qaeda presence in Syria.
	Do you agree with Director Clapper?
	Hold on a second.
	Stop again.
	Do you notice all the douchebags, and I'm including that guy, Lindsey Graham, also McCain does the same thing, and all these other guys, they don't ask questions.
	They lead the witness.
	Do you agree?
	Okay.
	Just pointing it out.
	Wow, that was kind of good.
	Can you do that again?
	Do you agree?
	You must obey.
	You must obey.
	You will obey.
	And, of course, to conduct more terrorist acts.
	And now, a new revelation.
	The al-Qaeda presence in Syria, do you agree with Director Clapper that it represents a direct threat to the homeland, the al-Qaeda safe haven in Syria?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Do we have a plan to deal with that as a nation?
	Uh...
	Yes.
	We're going to do training exercises in the Hayward Mall.
	We're good to go.
	The safe haven, Al-Qaeda safe haven in Syria.
	Now.
	How is that even possible?
	Assad hates those guys.
	How do you create a safe haven in Syria?
	This makes zero sense.
	It doesn't matter.
	Well, of course it makes zero sense, but there's no analysis.
	This is just being fed in by the true propaganda arm of...
	And they're not the only ones.
	NPR, PBS, everybody's on board with it.
	And they don't even know half the time.
	They're not doing actual analysis, not thinking, just doing whatever they're told.
	And of course they're doing it because they get a job and they're happy to have a job.
	I don't care.
	There's no risk.
	There's zero risk.
	They're not sleeping on futons in Tokyo.
	No, they're in the Grand Hyatt.
	I'm not complaining, by the way.
	No, you have a nice little place to stay in Tokyo.
	I'm not complaining.
	I need to play one more.
	Because I got really...
	I did something crazy.
	Someone referenced something on CNN again.
	And I went and looked at the document to see if it was true.
	And there you have it.
	It wasn't.
	I can't believe I did this.
	I'm so stupid.
	What have we heard consistently about the Sarniff brothers, the alleged Boston bombers, and their pressure cookers?
	Where did they learn to create these pressure cooker bombs?
	Well, I mean, they've tried to, I've watched a bunch of coverage of this, and they've tried to reverse engineer it to push it into that stupid magazine.
	Yes!
	But the magazine didn't print the information until after the bombing.
	Well, it's even worse than that.
	It's even worse.
	And that was the cue, and it misfired, and we'll find out why.
	It was Inspiration, that magazine.
	No, it's Inspire magazine.
	Inspire, Inspire.
	And in some cases, some surprising details coming out in this court filing.
	I wanted to get your take on what you saw.
	This is a terror expert.
	...in this document that you didn't know before, that may have surprised you.
	Christmas.
	So this is, what is happening now is the FBI is...
	Who did not read Jokar Shanaev, his Miranda rights, under a precedent which states if there is an imminent danger to the homeland, you can continue to question somebody without their lawyer present, without reading them their rights.
	Of course, because they had no idea how many more bombs there would be.
	So they're trying to build their case, which the whole thing is botched.
	We know that this was maybe two operations that crossed lines.
	It was supposed to be a six-week cycle.
	The bombs weren't supposed to go off.
	There was also a drill taking place.
	It was completely messed up, and now they have to cover their tracks, cover their ass.
	So they're doing everything they can, and now they have to prove that there were real bombs, that these bombs were created based upon Al-Qaeda-inspired magazine and Al-Qaeda operation, but that they were lone wolves and not connected to Al-Qaeda.
	It's a mess.
	Model car parts, fireworks.
	Well, okay, we actually did know a lot of this before, but what this document shows is that United States government counterterrorism were concerned in the days after the Boston bombings that these individuals, the brothers, may be acting with others because their device was relatively sophisticated and tricky to put together.
	Now, that's what they believed possibly was the case a year ago, but there's been a lot of investigation since and no evidence now to suggest that they trained overseas or were acting with others.
	Well, most of the bombs they put together was from a recipe in Inspire magazine, which is a magazine put out by Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
	Okay.
	Now, let me just say, I went to find the...
	This is based upon the Make a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom from the 2010 edition of Inspire magazine.
	And although they do indeed mention a 9-volt battery with Christmas lights as the ignition device...
	They do not mention at all anything about fireworks.
	In fact, quite the opposite, using matchstick heads.
	And here's the thing that really blew me away.
	Not a single mention of a pressure cooker.
	Yeah.
	Only a pipe.
	It was a pipe bomb.
	It was one bit of the bomb which was different, which was a toy car remote detonating mechanism.
	And that's actually something...
	That would be the smallest difference.
	The fact that it was, oh, I don't know, not a pipe?
	Quite tricky to put together.
	So there's been some speculation from experts that they may have need some sort of tuition to do that.
	But it wouldn't be something impossible for them to have done.
	Why not?
	Why not?
	We've got to push this through.
	Why not?
	From looking at this from the outside in, how could they have pulled this off without at least some kind of training?
	Training.
	They must have had some training.
	Precedent for purely homegrown terrorists putting these sorts of devices together.
	Homegrown from the safe harbor, what was it?
	Safe haven in Syria.
	This is where it's going.
	I hate to say it, ladies and gentlemen.
	They're going to light something off in America.
	Now we need to have a boom.
	It's sad.
	It's sad.
	I think there's a problem here with the agencies and how they're battling and all the rest of it between each other.
	And the FBI has to have their six-week thing going on.
	I think they've had meetings.
	They must have had meetings where it went like this.
	The NSA with its big budgets.
	Wait a minute.
	Let's do the meeting.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'll be the NSA guy.
	You're the FBI guy and you're hell-bent on doing something big.
	Okay.
	Are we at my place or your place?
	We're at a cafe, a neutral place.
	You're not coming over to our place to look around.
	Hey, hey, hey, how you doing, man?
	Hey, Curry.
	Yeah, what's up, Dvorak?
	What's up?
	We're a little bit, we're getting a bit concerned about a couple of things that you guys have worked on recently.
	Hey, hey, hey, hey, easy, easy, easy.
	We got budgets to take care of here.
	We got stuff that we got to do.
	Stop.
	Here's the deal.
	What?
	This last event, especially the Boston bombing thing, it makes us look like idiots.
	Yeah, but hold on a second.
	This was not our fault.
	There was no one that was supposed to light anything off.
	We were good to go on this.
	You know that Japanese boy toy you've been hanging around with and exchanging emails with?
	You know, you want that to get out?
	You guys have better stop doing these things because we have to, our job is to prevent anything from happening because we're plugged into everything.
	It looks like we're a bunch of boneheads if you blow something up again.
	So unless you want to get blown up by us, you just stop it.
	Wait a minute, Devorah, are you blackmailing me?
	Are you telling me you got pictures of me and my boy toy?
	Yeah, videos, dude.
	I knew I shouldn't have accepted that teddy bear.
	Okay, so you're saying that they will not light something off because they're being blackmailed by the NSA? I think they can't light something off, because if they do, it's going to ruin the NSA's game of spying on everybody.
	Now, there is a moment, I think there is an opportunity, a window of opportunity, because I'm listening to Hayden and some of these guys, and there was a really good thing that you missed, because you were in Japan, but there were two parts of the United States of secrecy.
	Oh, no, I have them downloaded for the plane ride back, yeah.
	You'll enjoy them.
	The second part is a potboiler.
	Actually, the first part is good.
	The second part is like, it's like one of these things where they put, I think it was an hour and a half, the first part.
	By the way, Dvorak, you may not want to get in the hot tub with the cover on.
	Just letting you know.
	Yeah, well, we got more money than you do.
	That's true.
	So the thing is, you had the first part, which was the long episode, and then they did a second one, which I think was an hour, and they ran out of material about 15 minutes.
	Oh, 15 minutes into it.
	Okay, yeah, I hate it when that happens.
	Okay, whatever.
	And then the music bits get longer with no narration.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and so Hayden is, you know, discussing some of the things...
	Long-drawn shots of empty wet streets and alleyways.
	So Hayden's in there.
	So I'm thinking this possibility for June 15th, the next opportunity for an event.
	Ooh.
	Because Hayden pulled...
	The best part of the second thing is Hayden pulled the old cowboy analogy.
	He says, well, you know, and it's essentially from a cowboy movie.
	The cowboy, and he doesn't say it's from a cowboy movie.
	He says it some other way, but it's from a cowboy movie.
	It's an old melodrama theme, and it goes like this.
	The town's out of control.
	People are killing each other.
	The tough sheriff comes into town, cleans up the mess, shoots all the bad guys, and then, you know, now he's the sheriff, and he's still- And then he gets to screw Miss Ellie above the saloon.
	Well, he knows what happens is he gets run out of town because he's too strict.
	Ah, gotcha.
	You know, we don't need you anymore.
	So you think, well, why are we paying this guy?
	Everything's cleared up.
	Yeah, and then they fire him because they don't need him anymore.
	So he gets screwed out of the deal.
	And this is essentially what Hayden's saying is happening to the NSA. They've protected us from all this stuff.
	And now they're going to want us to cut back.
	And we're going to, you know, some bad's going to happen.
	This is the great scare of the public tactic.
	So I think there's a slight window.
	That the NSA and the FBI can be together on and have something horrible happen and then blame it on Snowden.
	Huh.
	Well, Snowden is...
	He's a marked man.
	There is no doubt about it.
	In fact, I've been against better judgment, but I kind of had to.
	I've been reading...
	Greenwald's book.
	And it very clearly states that as he was vetting the legitimacy of Greenwald, of Snowden, that he sent him his CIA badge number, ID. Let me repeat that.
	CIA. Not his NSA ID, his CIA ID. Does anyone read these books?
	CIA. Our theory that this is an NSA-CIA feud is so right on this.
	It's so right on.
	Yeah, and then, of course, when they had the long interview with Snowden, that was never played in the United States.
	No, no, it wasn't.
	Only in Germany.
	Yeah, it was played in Germany, and anyone should watch it.
	He mentions it was a mission.
	Yes, no, exactly.
	Mission completed.
	My mission's completed.
	My mission?
	So what do you mean, mission?
	I wonder if I still have that clip.
	I might have it somewhere.
	Yes, I have it here.
	Hold on a second.
	I just have to...
	I gotta say, I'm pretty happy with my system here.
	At the very end, you ended up in Russia.
	Many of the intelligence community suspect you made a deal, classified material for asylum.
	This is the German interviewer.
	...year in Russia.
	The chief of the task force investigating me as recently as December said that their investigation had turned up no evidence or indications at all that I had any outside help or contact or had made a deal of any kind.
	To accomplish my mission.
	I worked alone.
	To accomplish my mission.
	Hello?
	Now, there was a funny thing that came up in that Frontline piece.
	It was, you know the guy who did the article in the Washington Post?
	Barton Gelman.
	Yeah, Gelman is on there, and he says that he went to...
	I mean, we knew about this.
	I don't remember us talking about it.
	But Gelman went to Russia, met with Snowden, and did a 14-hour interview.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	He says it in this documentary, and as soon as he said it, I thought to myself, where's that?
	But wasn't it, the way I understood it, the Washington Post wanted nothing to do with it, or they turned it down?
	It doesn't really matter.
	There's something else.
	Let me tell you something else.
	It's a debriefing is what it was.
	This is, so the, the Gren, Gren, well done, Raph.
	And all the intercept and the first look and the Pierre Drive My Car and the $250 million WordPress blog has now resulted in this stellar news.
	Yesterday we reported the National Security Agency had been intercepting and recording nearly every cell phone call that had taken place in the Bahamas and storing them for 30 days.
	Woo!
	In the Bahamas, ladies and gentlemen.
	That is a showstopper.
	Yeah, that's news.
	There you go.
	The Bahamas.
	The Bahamas, people.
	Come on!
	Is that all you've got left?
	Before we started the show today, I'm reading...
	I'm looking at the tweets because I wanted to tweet the show, but I can't tweet it on my regular computer.
	I have to do it on the phone because I don't...
	I can't...
	You don't know your password.
	Yeah, you don't know your password.
	But my phone, I have the Twitter thing on there, so I just did it there.
	Mm-hmm.
	So, in there, I saw there's Greenwald.
	He always likes to retweet anything in the world about him.
	Yeah, as long as it's about him, exactly.
	So he retweets, with some snide remark, this Michael Kinsley review of his book.
	Oh.
	And it's in the New York Times.
	And I think, well, Kinsley's probably, you know, he's an old slate guy.
	He's kind of a...
	Company man?
	Company man.
	And a jerk.
	But I'm reading, this is a great article.
	Oh, okay.
	I mean, it is hilarious.
	Can you read from it?
	You got something to share from it?
	Oh, I had it.
	Let's see if I still have it on the little phone.
	He just goes after Greenwald.
	Let's see, here it is.
	Good.
	I mean, he just goes after him with this nasty stuff.
	Let me see if I can find it where it begins, where it's really funny.
	Reformers can be difficult people, but they come in different flavors.
	There are narcissists like Julian Assange, founder of WikiLeaks.
	These are self-canonized men who feel that as saints they are entitled to ignore the rules that constrain ordinary mortals.
	Greenwald notes with indignity that Assange is being criticized along the lines well before he was accused of sex crimes by two women in Sweden.
	There are political romantics.
	Greenwald, in his mind, he's not a reformer, but a ruthless revolutionary.
	Robespierre or Trotsky?
	The Hengtian regime is corrupt through and through, and he is the man who will topple it.
	Sounding now like Herbert Marcuse in his once fashionable theory of repressive tolerance, Greenwald writes that the implicit bargain is offered to citizens.
	Pose no challenge.
	This is a long piece, by the way.
	I'll put it in the show notes.
	Yeah, definitely.
	I mean, and there's obviously there is good to what has come out of this, but Greenwald, he is such an egomaniac.
	He just loves himself so much.
	And so much more than getting the actual information.
	Bahamas, really?
	Is that all you have left?
	Yeah, it's what it looks like.
	Anyway, quick little email, and then we should go thank some people.
	This is from Andrew.
	Andrew B., new producer.
	I've been listening to No Agenda 618 episode.
	You've mentioned that you're not changing anyone's minds.
	Just wanted to let you know that you've changed my mind on many topics.
	I was all in on global warming.
	If you asked me about net neutrality, I'd have rallied behind it.
	But I think I'm like a lot of people in this country.
	We hear sound bites and quick clips and just assume that 97 out of 100 scientists can't be wrong.
	I heard about Noah Jenner through Twit and Linux Outlaws and finally decided to listen.
	You two were saying things that were completely against what I believed, but you said these things with gasp, evidence, and anti-examples from the media.
	Now I'm hooked.
	And while I've only been listening since 6.02, I've scheduled a small monthly donation and donated double nickels on the dime a couple times already with serious aspirations of becoming a knight.
	My main reason for emailing, though, is to make sure...
	You know that you do change some people's minds and that JCD's email is much harder to find than yours, which is probably why you get all his hate mail.
	I've been propagating the formula.
	Look forward to each new episode and pad my time with the old ones.
	Thanks.
	That was a nice email.
	Well, here's the thing.
	When I was giving the speech yesterday, I... Did you promote the show?
	Did you promote the show?
	Yeah, I mentioned the show.
	I didn't overdo it.
	I should have brought some discs.
	I was stupid.
	Yeah, good work.
	Yeah, it just bothers me.
	I gotta put them in the suitcase.
	Anyway, so there's some questions and answers at the end.
	So I did the last question with somebody.
	What do you think of net neutrality?
	Blah, blah, blah.
	And so I put the first I said, well, the first thing is I don't believe all packets are equal.
	And then I went on the story about the remote control surgeon.
	By the way, great, great article in PC Magazine that you wrote.
	I tweeted it.
	It was nice because it's kind of the no agenda analysis from what we both put together.
	I liked it a lot.
	And you had your example of the surgeon, like, yeah, what, you don't want priority over your packets when the surgeon is working on you remotely?
	No?
	You don't want that?
	Huh?
	And I had a couple other examples, and I went on and on with this negative attitude about it, and not one person said anything about it to me afterwards.
	I didn't get the guy coming up to me, this is bullshit, you know, Larry Lessig feels...
	I never got any of that.
	Everybody, I don't know if they all agreed with me, but nobody was arguing the point, like, if you do, like, I'll get all kinds of notes from that article...
	This is a high-end IT real crowd.
	These guys understand it.
	Well, I do have some stuff to add to your article, but first...
	I would like to thank you for your courage and a hearty in the morning to you, John C. Well, in the morning to you, Adam Curry, in the morning to all ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	Yes, and in the morning to everybody in the chat room, knowgenastream.com, knowgenachat.net.
	Thank you very much, Nick the Rat, for coming through with the artwork for 618.
	We had a small problem with the art generator, knowgenartgenerator.com, and lots of people tweeted and emailed their work, and Nick nailed it.
	There's a couple of guys you can always count on, regardless of whether the art generator is working or not, but just to have some great art, and it's always good to see Nick up there.
	And I do want to quickly promote the No Agenda rap song by Short Fuse.
	It's now available on iTunes.
	I had a couple of people at the meet-up just say it's the greatest thing they've ever heard.
	GX2, who does music production for a living, I think.
	He said it was amazing.
	So it's available on iTunes, and there's a link in the show notes under PR, and you can get it from there, and they'll send some of the VIG to us after Apple takes their cut.
	So today is, what are we, Thursday, and how did we do?
	Did we get a couple of producers here, some execs and associate execs?
	Let me thank a few of these guys.
	We got, for starters, we got Sir Andrew Largeman.
	515 bucks.
	He's in Taiwan.
	Whoops, this is interesting because I'm on the little bitty laptop.
	I couldn't find my other one.
	I had to take this one.
	Let me switch a couple of cells around here so I can read this thing without.
	Okay.
	Oops, that's not the right one.
	I can't see the cities.
	Hold on.
	Ugh.
	Ugh.
	This is going well.
	I'm getting there.
	I'm getting there.
	I still can't read this.
	Okay, I'm just going to have to slide over.
	Anyway, he says, ITM... This 515 for May 15th donation is 515 for May 15th.
	That's a good idea.
	Just to wish Adam a smooth and fruitful trip in Tokyo.
	Adam's Tokyo notes and observations on his blog are fun to read.
	Everyone go to see that.
	Curry.com slash blog, I guess.
	No.
	Just go to tokyo.noagendanotes.com.
	Tokyo.nogendanotes.com, just what I said.
	I'd like to request an L Sharpton Resist We Much, followed by Charlie Rose, it's in your DNA, and then Biodiversity.
	Do we have the Sharpton Resist We Much?
	We should.
	I have no conflict.
	Resist.
	Hmm.
	I don't know if I still have that one.
	Okay, well...
	I'll play the no conflict, and then he wanted Charlie Rose and the DNA, and then what else did he want?
	He wanted the best podcast in the universe?
	Biodiversity.
	Oh, biodiversity.
	There's no real conflict!
	Tell me about the sexuality.
	It's in your DNA. And a karma.
	You've got karma.
	I don't know where the...
	I gotta find that.
	Yeah, you should.
	Ryan Merritt in Hoboken, New Jersey, comes up with $420.33.
	I can't find a note from him, but whatever the case is, let's give him a karma.
	And that is a stonation, obviously.
	That's a stonation.
	You've got karma.
	Another stonation.
	Anonymous from Clinton Township, Michigan, which is nearby, 4-20-33.
	The official stonation amount?
	Another stonation, which is, at least we're getting those every so often, it's funny.
	Let me try to slide this down.
	Mickey had a meeting here in Tokyo at the Dutch Embassy.
	Yeah, this is what they're supposed to do.
	They're supposed to help people.
	And I said, yeah, please come at 420.
	I was very tempted.
	Like, yeah, I'll be that 420.
	Hey, man, I'll bake it.
	Hey, I'll be that.
	On the air, he says, I finally got a real salaried programming job, so now I make 100% more than any previous time in my life.
	Who needs college?
	Therefore, I figured I could stop being a douchebag, so therefore equals.
	They are conjunctions, so why stop saying so, not, and, or, or?
	Because it's not used as a conjunction when you use it at the beginning of a sentence to stall.
	Anyway, that's it.
	He doesn't ask for any requests.
	Complaining about our complaining.
	What was the Sharpton clip that our guy wanted again?
	What was it?
	Oh, now I've got to go back.
	Not Confrict, was it?
	I have it.
	No, it's Much.
	Oh, Resist We Much.
	Resist We Much.
	That's the one where you just botched the whole thing.
	That's an old clip.
	I've got to put that in the system.
	Okay, I just don't have it here.
	Sorry.
	We're mobile.
	We're mobile.
	Spencer Pearson in Columbia, Missouri...
	4-20-33, another stonation.
	In the morning, John and Adam have been listening since just before Christmas and have fallen in love with the show.
	It's insane to see how many media sources, even many of the comedy...
	Isn't this from last week?
	I don't remember this one.
	Yeah, because I remember him saying the comedy podcast ended up repeating some of the show.
	Bullcrap memes that mainstream media is cooked up and dished out between Adams.
	You don't remember this.
	Right now it's 1.26am.
	What do you think I'm doing here?
	This is the one that I read as a stoner.
	He wants the creepy Charlie Rose sexuality.
	Okay, I don't know how that crept into the...
	Alright, well thank you again, Spencer.
	Talking about stonations.
	Alicia and Scott in Ann Arbor, Michigan, 33333, and they met up with me.
	It's a cute couple.
	She's really pretty.
	Pictures?
	Photographic material?
	Hmm.
	They probably have them.
	Uh-huh.
	And they just had a very short note.
	This is Alicia and Scott in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
	And I'm going to see Scott later today.
	We're going to go photographing the old central person.
	We're going to go photographing Alicia is what I think.
	You dog, you.
	Hey, Scott, let's go.
	Hey, I got some ideas.
	I picked up some outfits at Victoria's Secret for Alicia to wear.
	333 and it's toward Alicia's damehood.
	And so you want some karma?
	Just keep up the great work.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Thank you so much.
	Cool.
	You've got karma.
	I'm keeping JCD busy.
	I like that.
	Sir Dennis Cruz in Beaverton, Oregon 201.
	And he sent an email in.
	Sponsored the Dead Den Man Show.
	Hotcoffee.org.
	Do you have the email?
	No, I don't.
	I'll dig it up for the second reading.
	And I get the sense that Sir Dennis' is a repeat, too.
	Anyway, I'm going to have to find out.
	Well, if that's the case, then things are not well.
	Things are not going well for us.
	Okay.
	Well, that's it.
	That's it.
	Yeah, that's it.
	That's it.
	So we move on in the second half with the other guys, and I'll look up Cruz's email, see if he's got anything in there.
	All right.
	Well, I will be traveling tomorrow, flying back.
	I fly back in time and arrive the same day, Friday, which means we will have a regular show on Sunday.
	Well, regular show.
	I have a feeling that we're going to do more traveling starting this year, starting now.
	Hopefully we'll come back to Japan.
	We have invites for Australia and for Singapore and for Shanghai.
	And I think we should do it.
	People seem to really like it when we're on the road.
	The show, I don't think, suffers greatly.
	We're still able to assassinate media, but it also gives it an extra slant.
	Yeah, we should plan a couple things every so often.
	I think, yeah, at least every six weeks, every two months, I think will be good.
	Yeah, I think my next trip, I'll take a trip up to Chico, California, and check out the college there.
	And I'm going to be going to...
	I'm also thinking of maybe taking a trip down to Bakersfield.
	I think I could spend some time there.
	That'd be cool.
	I'm going to go to Dallas.
	I'm going to HamCom in June.
	Oh, that'll be very entertaining.
	Join me at HamCom.
	Of course, besides your financial donations, we always appreciate you propagating the formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Water.
	Water.
	Here you go, anatomy.
	Shut up, Slay.
	Shut up, Slay.
	And I want to remind people to go to Dvorak.org slash na channel, Dvorak.com slash na, noagendashow.com and noagendanation.com and have donate buttons.
	And we do have a show on Sunday and our Sundays have been pretty paltry.
	And I hope to get a good chance to get your executive producership in.
	Yes.
	And I want to once again thank Dame Astrid and Sir Mark and their respective spouses for taking such good care of us in every single aspect.
	And if you're ever in Tokyo and you're part of the No Agenda family, and by the way, if you call their office, you know, don't be like, yeah, can I just talk to them?
	No, you have to say like in the morning or No Agenda or something.
	Some people call, they want to talk to Astrid.
	No.
	No.
	You might want to mention this for no agenda and these very, very special people.
	I have to say, friends.
	And I don't use that term lightly.
	We're not even friends.
	No.
	Heck no.
	No chance.
	But I wanted to add something to the packet inequality conversation.
	We've pretty much beat this horse to death.
	Yeah.
	Well, there was something that happened that...
	It gave me one more little piece of insight that I thought was interesting to add so we all understand what is going on.
	And it happened after This Week in Law, which I never watch.
	But everyone told me, oh, you gotta watch this, you gotta watch this.
	This is part of the Twit Network.
	And Denise Howell is on the show.
	Who I like as a person, as a host, she's shit.
	I mean, she's a beautiful woman.
	Don't put the big headphones on her with a microphone in front of her face.
	This is unnecessary.
	I know.
	This is 2014.
	Yeah, what year are we in here?
	You got the big cans, as they like to call them.
	Big cans on her head.
	And she's pretty, you know.
	She's a good looking woman.
	Yeah.
	And it's just distracting.
	And I'm sure she knows her stuff when it comes to law and everything, but I don't know.
	It just doesn't work for me.
	So she had one of my least favorite people on, Nilay Patel.
	He was on my last This Week in Twit.
	This Week in Tech.
	This Week in Twit.
	This Week in Tech.
	After I got kicked off for good.
	Banned from the airwaves.
	And he's annoying.
	He's a lawyer.
	But he's one of these...
	He works for The Verge.
	And all those guys over there, they're all huffy-puffy.
	They got venture capital money, so they think they're all...
	Wait until you run out of that.
	So they think they all do that in a bag of chips.
	And he's on there pontificating about net neutrality and the evil...
	And he can't even explain how the two Democrats have voted.
	Well, you know, the Democrats had to vote for...
	They had to say yes because...
	The three Democrats, I should say.
	They had to vote yes because, you know, it's not exactly what they want.
	One of the Democrats is Wheeler.
	Yes, it's not exactly what they want, but they have to get it going somehow.
	It's a very hard time explaining why they want this regulation.
	Yeah, and why the two Democrats voted for it and the two Republicans voted against it.
	It just has all the liberals like, what?
	I can't think anymore.
	Exactly.
	And then they bring on this guy, Baron Zoka.
	Baron Zoka.
	And he is from an outfit called Tech Freedom, a non-profit.
	Oh boy, you know how much I love that.
	But let me go look into this non-profit.
	But before I get to that, I'm just going to play the very end.
	And I was very surprised because Baron Zoka, he starts off by saying, well, this net neutrality debate is a hoax.
	I'm like, yeah, that's good.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	You got my attention.
	He's like, this is a hoax.
	This whole thing is a hoax.
	And it just came out and it didn't really come out of nowhere.
	He actually put me onto a path to figure out why this all happened.
	I just wanted to play the very end just so you can kind of hear how the conversation ended with Nilay Patel, who was no match for this guy, I felt.
	And Miss Mickey was listening to it while I was watching it on Monday or whatever.
	I can't remember what day it was.
	And she said, oh, finally I hear just some people talking about something.
	And it was a very interesting conversation.
	But here's how Neelai thinks that he's hung up and he's all pissed off, which the guy is, but he didn't.
	And then you just kind of hear what a bad sport Patel is and how this Baron Zuka guy.
	I like him.
	I like what he's doing.
	But we're not going to forget this show anytime soon, and I'm not going to forget how grateful I am that you were able to join us today, Eli.
	Yeah, I enjoyed it.
	And Barron, I enjoyed the conversation as heated as it might have become.
	It was a good one.
	Yeah, me too.
	And really, really, really...
	No, Barron's still here, I think.
	Barron, you're still here, right?
	Well, I have to say I don't enjoy this conversation.
	I would rather have a conversation about how to promote broadband deployment and how to actually write a new telecom act that makes sense in the real world.
	I'm tired, as you can probably tell, of talking about imaginary problems and imaginary legal authority for the FCC to solve them.
	Yeah, no, you're a great guy.
	I gotta go.
	Eli, we'll talk to you soon.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, you're a great guy.
	Douche.
	That was worth the wait.
	Come on, that was funny.
	I liked hearing that.
	It was very funny.
	And I looked into this Baron guy's outfit, Tech Freedom, very small non-profit.
	They're doing about...
	And I have to say, I couldn't find their 990s, and I tweeted him, and someone got back to me, and they sent me the 2011, and they said, hey man, send me the 2012.
	They sent the 2012, they changed their name, that's why I didn't show up in the regular places.
	And very small.
	And it's being run out of a two-room condo in D.C., which I'm going to think is a Barron's condo.
	And they did like $380,000 in 2011, did a little more in 2012.
	They may have done a lot more, but, you know, $500,000.
	And, of course, he's taken a salary.
	And so, yeah, the money, it's not a lot of money, but it's a think tank.
	And although you don't know where the money's coming from, if you look at his past, it seems pretty obvious it's at least coming from Google.
	You can buy it.
	Actually, he tweeted me something I was going to ask you.
	He said, our donations come from Big Tent.
	Are you familiar with this phrase, Big Tent?
	I've heard it.
	Now that you mention it, I've heard the phrase, but I have no idea what it means.
	Big tent.
	I couldn't quite figure out what he meant by big tent.
	And I didn't want to seem like an idiot and say, what?
	Have you Googled it to see what big tent comes up?
	Yeah, you get a whole bunch of weird stuff that not really...
	There are lots of things called big tent.
	Anyway...
	It's pretty clear that he's getting...
	You should have just said, what the fuck?
	What is Big Ten?
	I figured I'd ask you.
	I thought Daddy would know.
	Well, I didn't know.
	Exactly.
	And then I started looking...
	And I think he's probably...
	He's legit in his thinking, although, yeah, he's coming from Google, but it made a lot of sense, and I just wanted to lay this out for you as an extra piece of this, because when he said hoax, I was like, well, you know what, you're right, it is a hoax.
	Why did this thing all of a sudden heat up?
	And it's being used primarily by outfits like Freedom of the Press or Press Freedom, whatever it's called, who have $3 million, by the way, in annual revenues.
	Literally, if you look at their website, which is...
	Hold on, you've got to look at this.
	You'll laugh.
	I think it's...
	Is it pressfreedom.org?
	Uh...
	Hold on.
	Or Freedom...
	No, it's...
	I'm sorry.
	I could have had that better prepared.
	The Freedom of the Press Foundation?
	Yeah.
	Is it freedompress.org?
	That'd be pressfreedomfoundation.org.
	There is also...
	Here we go.
	Freedomhouse.org?
	Yeah, pressfreedomfoundation.org.
	Okay.
	I think now that may be...
	No, that's the wrong.
	It doesn't matter.
	Sorry about that.
	Wait a minute.
	Let me look at the rest of...
	It's Freedom...
	I think it's Freedom Press.
	Freedomhouse.org?
	It's Freedom Press.
	Let me just see.
	This is dumb.
	Newseum?
	Oh, here it is.
	Press...
	No, this is pressfreedom.org.au.
	No, no, no.
	You don't want that.
	Well, um...
	Okay, we'll get to it next show.
	Anyway, I tweeted out a link for it, for Christ's sake.
	Sorry for taking the Lord's name in vain.
	Yeah, there goes that guy in Pittsburgh again.
	Let me just look at my own tweet here.
	This guy just waits for that, and then he sends me a note.
	I know, and I was mad.
	He says, uh, yeah, you know, you took the Lord's name in vain, so I'm not donating.
	He's never donated.
	Ha!
	Yeah.
	Okay, here it is.
	Clouds are coming.
	Here it is.
	Getting clouds in Michigan.
	Here it is.
	It is...
	I don't even have...
	Anyway, they have on their homepage...
	Save the internet.
	Donate now to us.
	This is what everyone is doing.
	I get emails from don't let them slow down the net dot org.
	Donate.
	Don't let them break the internet.
	And this is what Nilay Patel is also doing.
	Help unfuck the internet is what he writes.
	Come on, people.
	So what really happened here?
	What really went down?
	And this all stems from one thing.
	And the one thing is the acquisition of Time Warner Cable by Comcast.
	This is when this really started.
	I disagree with this.
	I disagree.
	It predates the Netflix issue.
	It predates Netflix.
	Now check it out.
	Yes, it does.
	The Comcast Time Warner Cable announcement...
	That was more recent.
	No, I don't think so.
	I think so.
	I don't think so.
	I think so.
	But, okay, we can agree to disagree on that.
	Well, we have to get the date straight.
	Timeline?
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	First reference to this is...
	Well, how do we even do that?
	How do we even find out?
	You do it by writing in Time Warner, Comcast, and hit the News tab, and you should have the stories that came out when they first came out.
	They're still going on.
	But how are you going to find out when it first came out?
	Well, you just look for their first, apparently, here is Ars Technica, May 18th.
	Okay.
	They just keep looking for the earliest date.
	Okay, May 18th, and I'll look, I have feud over Netflix traffic.
	May 19th, May 18th, May 20th.
	Right.
	Okay, it seems to be recent.
	It almost doesn't matter for the show, for the theory, at least.
	Well, yeah, but it does if I don't buy it.
	If you don't...
	Wait, here it is.
	Here it is.
	Here it is.
	Wait, this gets back further.
	Here's May 8th.
	Congress to hear concerns.
	This is when they're going to do the congressional thing.
	So we got back to...
	The announcement came much earlier, John.
	The announcement was months ago.
	I don't think so.
	Yeah.
	The way I remember it, we first had the Time Warner Comcast deal.
	That was announced that they were going to do that.
	This is months ago.
	Okay, okay.
	We'll stop.
	I won't disagree.
	We'll look into it.
	You might be right.
	I remember there being an early announcement and it had everybody all jacked up.
	In fact, it got them so jacked up, they had a congressional hearing.
	And then Franken would know.
	Because he's all over this thing.
	And I can call his office up and they'll tell me.
	Hey, it's Dvorak again.
	Holy crap, not that guy.
	You can call any of these offices up.
	If you ask, all these congressional offices, you don't try to get a hold of Franken.
	He's not going to talk to you.
	But you just say, I'd like to talk to one of the staffers who can answer a question.
	Well, why don't we look, isn't Comcast, isn't that CMCT? What is their signal?
	Oh, that's a good point.
	CMCSA, I think it is.
	Their signal.
	Help us!
	Help us!
	Signal.
	What is that signal?
	Hey, it's 1.42 a.m.
	Okay, finance...
	I use that as your excuse every time.
	It's a great excuse.
	You're right.
	It would be listed in the...
	I'm going to go to Yahoo Finance.
	Yes.
	And they will have a listing of all the press releases, and it will have that one end of the day.
	It will have...
	Well, keep talking while I do that.
	If you go to the news...
	Well, now it's kind of relevant.
	Headlines.
	Let's see.
	It's got to be.
	This is months ago.
	Anyway.
	Okay.
	Here is the thesis.
	And I will do it in my timeline whether it's true or not.
	But I'm pretty sure that that came first.
	And what really does it mean when they're buying Time Warner?
	They're not buying a competitor.
	They're adding on to their network.
	They're adding on to more...
	That is their basic argument.
	And it's also true.
	I don't think there are any markets where Comcast and Time Warner compete.
	So they're essentially just becoming bigger.
	They are becoming...
	What do you call it?
	Kind of the utility.
	The monopoly.
	But utility.
	Or utility.
	Utility.
	I should mention a couple of things because that's why I would have called Franken's office.
	Apparently...
	During the congressional hearings, Comcast made the claim that this will be good for the customers because now that they have these two operations, they can consolidate this and that, and it gives them bigger reach, and then you can pressure the companies to give better deals so the customers get better deals.
	But from a shareholder standpoint, Well, let me finish.
	Okay.
	And so apparently what Franken's people did is they listened to the quarterly call, and in the quarterly call was just the opposite of what the guy said.
	He says, this is going to be great for us.
	We can make more money.
	You didn't say gouge the customer, but he says, this is a lot more leverage, and we'll profit from this.
	Now, back to the original thesis that this Baron Soka guy called it a hoax, because it came out of nowhere, but it came from the Netflix controversy, so-called controversy.
	So, if you really think about this for a moment now, The one thing Comcast clearly wants is they want to buy up all broadband.
	They want to own $50 or $60 billion, whatever they're paying for Timewater, whatever the number is.
	That is, you know, it's not chicken feed.
	This is a real big deal.
	This is the Mac Daddy purchase.
	This is a big one.
	And it's just expanding their markets.
	They're not buying a competitor.
	They're expanding their markets.
	They really want to be the ISP for the United States.
	You can have nothing better than to be deemed a common carrier and thus a utility because it does one thing.
	It discourages any competitor from entering that marketplace.
	And this is the thing that people get wrong, and I'm going to agree with this Barron guy.
	Even though I'm pretty sure it's being paid by Google, there are competitors.
	Google is in fact a competitor in Austin.
	And how does this work?
	It's kind of sad, but why is there so little competition?
	I kind of buy into this argument.
	When you go into a local municipality or into a town like Austin, and you say, hey, you know, I want to lay fiber, and I want to, you know, be a competitor to Comcast or whatever you have, or 18, but let's just say Time Warner in Austin.
	And by the way, in Austin, we do have another cable company that competes, but okay.
	Then Austin says, yeah, that's great, as long as you wire up the schools and wire up the libraries and wire up all of the government buildings.
	Oh, and suck my cock.
	Because this is exactly what these greedy assholes do everywhere.
	And if you go back and you read what happened to Fios, when they basically buckled, is in order to rent space on the telephone poles, it was cost prohibitive.
	Because all of these local municipalities, they all want kickbacks, they're all greedy.
	And that's where the real problem is.
	Now Google, they have real money and real reach.
	And they're small, but they can become a competitor.
	But not...
	If this broadband business is going to be regulated as a common carrier, as a utility, it's not gonna be interesting for them.
	Then in any regulation, they're not going to be interested because Google's model is not even necessarily on a pure revenue basis.
	They want to sell ads to your nest, to your fridge, which by the way you call them is totally right.
	They want to sell ads everywhere and they'll probably give you free fiber eventually for the privilege for doing that.
	That's their business model.
	But if they can't do that because there's regulation, then they're just not going to do it.
	They may try the wireless or whatever, but they're not going to do it.
	That's why Comcast wants this.
	Enter Reed Hastings with their little fracas over the slowdown.
	Oh well, this is where the net neutrality debate came from.
	And as we know, with the stupid slaves in most countries, but certainly in the United States, you can drone Americans, you can have cops ripping people's heads off, shooting old people in the back, black ladies of 98 killing them, but you slow down my fucking Netflix baby, I'm up in arms.
	I'm changing my icon.
	And I'm getting mad.
	And I'm calling for net neutrality!
	And then you get all of these non-profits, all sponsored by Open Society Institute, all sorrows of stuff.
	Then God knows where it's coming from, from family, non-profit management agencies.
	All this money flowing and everybody's all riled up over a hoax because there is no evidence of actual degradation based upon their content versus my content.
	It's just really not true.
	It's all...
	Made up.
	Except for the Netflix thing.
	And isn't it interesting?
	And it was Netflix who really initiated that.
	Thank you.
	And wouldn't it be interesting if Netflix, you know, now they have some kind of deal and they're working it out and, you know, maybe they can figure something out with Comcast.
	Maybe they become the new default video on demand service for Comcast.
	That is not beyond the realm of possibility that these guys have been working together from day one.
	From day one.
	Purposely making this happen to stir up this debate, to get the regulation.
	And I agree that this should be Congress.
	This should not be the FCC. Congress should be making up any...
	If there's going to be laws, it should be Congress.
	But it's going to be a nightmare if the FCC is really going to try and regulate this.
	But I think that this is one big setup...
	To remove all competition.
	And so far, playing out beautifully.
	So the only thing that I could be, if I'm wrong about the timing of it, and I really thought the Netflix thing came later, at least I was aware of it later than I was of the Time Warner acquisition, I'm going to call setup and say these guys were working together.
	Well, the Time Warner thing has to go through before you can confirm your theory.
	Correct.
	But even with, I mean, Comcast is big.
	And people keep saying, yeah, we need local loop unbundled like in the UK. Oh, really?
	Is that really what you want?
	Where everybody's using the same pipes and all the government has to do is close down one pipe instead of 14?
	And the content blocking in the UK is very real.
	That's real content blocking.
	And then you have to buy bundles and you'll be forced to buy Virgin Mobile with your Virgin Internet.
	Screw that.
	You don't want Local Loop unbundled.
	There is a chance for real competition...
	But not if this thing is a utility.
	I think Google...
	I'm no fan of Google, as you know, but I think that they really can be a competitor.
	They are doing it in Austin.
	They are doing it in Utah.
	They are doing it in...
	Is there another southern state?
	Kentucky, I think?
	They're doing it all over here and there, but...
	But, you know, look at Austin.
	It's a very interesting market.
	We have a competing cable company.
	We have AT&T now has their Giga Pooper, which is their super fast hydromatic thing, which is their version of Google Fiber.
	We have Google Fiber coming in.
	We have Comcast.
	There is some real competition.
	It's there.
	Everyone keeps saying, oh, well, there's no competition.
	Well, no, but I can guarantee you one thing.
	If you turn this into a utility and the government regulates it, you're not going to have any competition.
	Correct.
	You will not have...
	That turns it into the power...
	Can you choose from different power companies where you are?
	Or different water?
	There was a moment...
	No, water, not.
	No way.
	But there was a moment where you could...
	No, no.
	We got Waste Management, WM, we're the mob.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And they run it.
	They do a great job.
	So it's like, but again, it's, you know, your trash deal is one deal.
	There's no competitive trash.
	From the chat room, from the chat room, I have Time Warner Comcast, February 13th, Netflix, February 24th.
	If that's true, that's pretty uncanny.
	Yeah, they're that close.
	It's a one-two punch to get the attention of the community of freaks.
	Interesting.
	I mean, if you look at it, who invented the term net neutrality?
	I mean, it was supposedly Wu, but then again, it wasn't.
	I mean, it was his coinage, but then he was not in agreement with the thesis that's devolved into what it is.
	And you have the same guys that are bitching and moaning, and it's mostly...
	Hysterics.
	I mean, that's the key.
	Hoax!
	Hoax!
	And it's being used as a political tool to get people to vote.
	Vote for me, I'll save the internet.
	And literally, there are just scores, which I think is...
	Is a score 144?
	Scores.
	I don't know.
	Four score and seven years ago.
	I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	It's more than one.
	But there are several non-profits...
	Which are not non-profits.
	If you click the donate button, it goes to another non-profit.
	Not to their non-profit, to their action fund.
	You know I look at this stuff.
	And it's just $250,000 a year.
	It's like one guy gets that money.
	Or one girl, I think in this case.
	Don't let them slow down the net.org.
	They're just raising money.
	For themselves.
	For themselves.
	But really, nothing has really happened.
	But nothing has really happened.
	Well, they made a fuss.
	Yeah.
	Send us money and we'll make a fuss.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, it kind of made me happy because I'm thinking, at least someone else is thinking this way, even though he's probably being paid by Google.
	Maybe, I don't know who else.
	Maybe AT&T. You don't know.
	No, I don't know.
	But if you look at the Google Fellow program, the Tech Freedom is listed on it.
	You can get a fellowship.
	I'm fine to think AT&T would be the guys that would be big.
	No, he's done a lot of work for Google.
	I'm pretty sure Google's in.
	But it doesn't really matter to me because competition is good.
	You have the right to petition your government.
	I'm not against that.
	It's funny.
	I get accused of people saying, Curry's angle, just wait.
	When it comes down to it, when the podcast trolls are shutting down podcasts, those who talk favorably about them will probably still be allowed to be around.
	The same goes for net neutrality.
	Yeah, they won't slow down his podcast because he was sucking up to him.
	There you go.
	That's a logical argument if you think about it.
	Oh, I've got to play something funny for you.
	This is funny.
	I might as well get it all out of my system while I'm doing it.
	Yeah, let's not talk about this anymore.
	No, we're not going to talk about it.
	But I just wanted to lay down what I think is the sequence of events.
	We're not going to talk about it anymore, unless something drastic happens.
	And I'm also not going to talk about the podcast patent after this show.
	But I do have to do it one more time.
	Because the misinformation...
	And it only happens because someone on Twitter, like...
	You bullcrap, man!
	Corolla, he's fighting for you, man!
	He's fighting for you!
	Yeah, sure.
	Just because you don't make enough money for them to come after you, man.
	It's the angry old hippie.
	So, someone points out the Dr.
	Drew and Adam Carolla show, which of course is the Dr.
	Drew and guest host show, because Adam Carolla, he's not even podcasting right now, he's promoting his book.
	And he's getting hammered by Gay Inc.
	He did an interview in Salon by the gayest interviewer they have.
	I have to give him that.
	Carolla doesn't care.
	Hey, you can't make gay jokes anymore in this town.
	I've never seen it like this.
	Now, the stories are, well, Carolla, he hates the gays.
	You can't believe it.
	He's comparing us to pedophiles.
	The whole thing was, it's a nightmare.
	That is bad.
	Well, what he said was dumb, but just don't do interviews is my policy.
	That's not a bad policy.
	So in front of every podcast on the Adam Carolla Podcast Network, there's this little ditty.
	Hi, this is Adam Carolla.
	I want to thank you for supporting this podcast on the Carolla Digital Network.
	Everyone here at Corolla Digital is very proud of the shows that we put out every week and are excited about the future of our network.
	However, a patent troll is threatening that future by suing us.
	We need to fight back and beat the troll down.
	If we go down, all the other shows on the other networks you've grown to love are going to go down next.
	Uh, okay.
	So this is just a lie.
	And I want a disclaimer.
	Except for the No Agenda show.
	This is a lot that he is asking people.
	It does irk me because Dave Weiner and I definitely did more for podcasting than personal audio or Adam Carolla.
	To be begging for money with this lie that all podcasting is going to go down, I'm sorry, it pisses me off.
	Visit fundanything.com forward slash patent troll to donate and find out other ways that you can help beat the patent trolls.
	Okay.
	Thank you and mahalo.
	Alright, so the reason why I bring this up is then it was brought to my attention that Dr.
	Drew, who normally does the Adam Carolla Dr.
	Drew show, and the guy's name is Adam too, and it's AC. This is all very annoying.
	So, Carolla's out promoting his book, so he has the Sklar brothers on, who I guess are a comedy duo who also podcast.
	I'm not familiar with their work.
	And this is how the...
	So, what really happens here is there is a patent, the so-called 506 podcast patent that was awarded, and I think it's a valid patent, and I don't like it, And there may be prior art, which the EFF is correctly, they're challenging the proper way.
	Yeah, I think they're doing the right job.
	Yes, they're challenging that patent in the proper way.
	And I support them in that.
	I do not support them.
	The way they approached me was, we gotta fuck this patent troll!
	I'm sorry.
	Just because someone moves there, wants to hear a case in Texas...
	Doesn't mean that they're...
	This happens all the time.
	Court cases are moved all the time for all different reasons.
	But this is not a company...
	This is the guy who was awarded the patent is seeking redress for this.
	And he has not sold it.
	Okay?
	So it is not like Nathan Mervold who buys up patents just to go sue people.
	It's not the same thing.
	Now, the guy was awarded the patent, and it's very important what happened with this and what is going to be said.
	I just have to stop the insanity, because this propagation is an incorrect message, and I don't care what happens, because we haven't received any demand letter.
	I also haven't seen any demand letter.
	I don't know what Adam Carolla got.
	I don't know if they really said, give me $3 million.
	I don't know what they said.
	I don't know why his lawyers cost $1 million.
	I don't know any of this.
	But people are handing over money to him.
	Fine.
	If you want to do that, fine.
	My job is to give you some information.
	But when you hear how this is propagated, it makes me mad.
	Let's continue to do this entertainment for a long time.
	Yeah, which is nice.
	The only way you can do it is I've got three kids in college.
	I know Crowley uses money.
	Oh yeah, Crowley has to buy more cars.
	Yeah, he's using money for cars.
	Those children are like his children.
	But anyway, he deserves what he gets and he has made a giant industry out of this.
	Yes, he's made a giant industry out of this.
	Let's just call him the Podfather.
	I'll say I'm a little irked by that.
	I'm waiting for that one.
	Just a little irked by that.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Adam Carolla, for making this a giant industry.
	I'm happy.
	I will give him that.
	Thank you very much.
	I appreciate the work you've done.
	We also have to support him fighting the patent trolls.
	We have to.
	This is something we are so passionate about.
	I mean, this is a simple battle, and I want to break it down to it's good versus evil.
	Okay.
	All right, just listen very closely.
	He's going to break it down for you, which is something Alex Jones says.
	Let me break this down for you.
	It's really simple.
	No, it's not that simple, but okay.
	It's good versus evil.
	I mean, it's the people who create things versus the people who are trying to tear that shit down.
	Do you like bullies?
	Do you support bullying in grade school?
	This is adult bullying.
	Okay, so now patent law has become adult bullying.
	This is some adult bullying bullshit.
	Where they literally are trying this...
	There are people in offices in fucking office parks in Texas or wherever they are.
	They don't even show up to the office.
	They buy these...
	They just use the addresses.
	They use the address.
	They buy these patents, these general patents.
	Okay, they did not buy a patent.
	This is the guy who was awarded the patent.
	There is a difference.
	I own the patent on someone saying words into a microphone.
	Now, the patent that he has, I've read the 506 patent, is very specific about a media file that lists episodes, the file is known, the file is retrieved, it says, here's a new episode.
	I mean, it essentially exactly explains what was invented.
	And really, technology isn't going to invent it.
	It evolves.
	It evolves.
	Then the guy patented it, and he got awarded the patent.
	Okay, there may be prior art.
	There's a way to handle that.
	But what they're saying is a lie.
	So now I can charge podcasts.
	I can charge podcasts.
	What does that mean?
	It's just making this up.
	Shame on the government for allowing that to happen.
	Well, they're starting to do so.
	Shame on the government.
	I get a lot of this, too.
	Corona's fighting the government, man.
	Big government.
	No, we're not fighting big government.
	A little bit, but we need, as grassroots people, to stand up and say no.
	We need to be so vocal.
	We need to be as vocal as the NRA. Okay, that's really helpful.
	Now you're doing us all a service.
	To remind ourselves what they would do, they avoid iTunes and Amazon, who are using this quote patent.
	Okay, now let me just say something.
	Dr.
	Drew...
	You should be fixing the Hollywood druggies.
	Apple computers.
	Apple was sued by personal audio.
	And all of this is in the show notes.
	And they paid $8 million for two things.
	For a patent regarding playlists on MP3 players.
	And this payment was for use of this patent and any other patents in the future.
	Which includes the 506 podcast patent.
	This is what no one is telling you.
	Apple paid already.
	So it's not like Apple's not getting sued.
	Apple got sued.
	They paid $8 million, flat fee, one time.
	They can use the technology forever now.
	And Personal Audio actually tried to go back and say, hey, man, that's messed up.
	And actually, their lawyers did a bad job, and they messed it up for them.
	So they only got $8 million.
	And Apple can use any version of that initial patent in the future.
	Don't you have a big red light blinking or anything?
	Yeah, I got a big red light.
	Well, anyway, that was great.
	Yeah, we're recording now.
	That was great, wasn't it?
	Okay, so you missed the wrap-up.
	All right, what did we miss?
	I'll tell you what you missed, because I remember when this thing went off.
	I didn't think much about it at the time.
	We missed the final Adam Carolla analysis about the thing being...
	And then with some additional material that you added that could, you know, we got lost.
	And then you missed the little exposition on the drug situation with this drug.
	But you know what's good?
	You know what's good?
	We'll do the drug thing on Sunday.
	Because we can just do the whole drug thing over again.
	Yeah, that's easy enough.
	And then we take that straight into the NFL draft.
	Now we can leave.
	We can drop that.
	I'm really sorry.
	Let me tell you what happened.
	So there was some glitch, and you remember when I couldn't play the rest of the clip.
	Right.
	And that glitch also killed the stream and the recording, and honestly, it being 2.30 a.m., I just spaced.
	My bad.
	Don't ever say my bad.
	Why not?
	That is the worst.
	I hate that.
	People say my bad.
	Is that worse than Gazillion?
	I don't say gazillion.
	I'm just asking.
	Is it worse than gazillion?
	Yeah.
	Yes, it's much worse than gazillion.
	Okay.
	It was my fault.
	Yes, there you go.
	I'm sorry.
	I feel quite bad about that.
	Of course you do.
	It's a flawless podcast.
	Which means, luckily, we're going to get to the donation segment next, and then I have a story.
	I'm going to show myself a little bit of donation.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda In the morning We do have a few people to thank.
	And again, we have to wonder if these are old or new.
	But I guess this is probably all new stuff.
	Urbandale Studios in Freiburg, Germany, which I mentioned I've been to before.
	You sent a note in email.
	From short works I don't have, but it's okay.
	It's $100.33.
	We'll get to some of these notes later.
	Vladimir Stashkov in someplace in Russia.
	$99.99.
	Oh, I should do a niner, niner, niner, niner for him.
	Yes, you should.
	I'm just catching up here.
	Okay, here we go.
	There we go.
	He says, I want to remind freeloading boners out there to donate to the show as it's scientifically proven the fact that you're not fully immune to the mainstream propaganda until you become a donor.
	Not necessarily a listener.
	Which we've talked about before.
	And it's a different take on that idea.
	I have to click back and forth so you're going to have to deal with it.
	Can I just say something?
	Yeah?
	Yeah.
	This almost looks like 618 spreadsheet.
	I know it does.
	In fact, this is...
	I'm telling you, this is the 618 spreadsheet.
	Well, that's what I suggested earlier.
	Well, part of what you said...
	But I don't remember iodine and boner pills.
	Yeah, I do, actually.
	Let me look at 618.
	I remember iodine and boner pills.
	I happen to have 618 here.
	Well, no.
	No, this seems...
	Pauline Spencer?
	Is Pauline Spencer on this?
	No.
	No.
	You know what?
	I don't know.
	Let's just do it.
	And if people get doubled, then bully for them.
	Yeah, Pauline.
	Well, let's go on then.
	Irwin Owens Jr.
	in Alameda.
	I remember him from...
	He's got to be on the 618.
	Paulina Spencer, I don't remember, in London.
	99.99.
	Another 99er.
	You should go niner, niner, niner.
	Niner, niner, niner, niner.
	And this is a donation to Mark Luschenberg's birthday on the 27th.
	Luschenberg.
	Luchtenberg.
	Say that again?
	Luchtenberg.
	Luchtenberg.
	Sorry, Luchtenberg.
	A Dutchman living in London.
	Luchtenberg.
	Yeah, who makes everyone listen to the show, including me, and it drives me mad.
	I'm a douchebag in need of karma.
	Additionally, please congratulate Nicole Stahauer, a fan of No Agenda, who's expecting me anyway.
	Stahauer, Stahauer.
	And Jeroen Adler in Singapore.
	Okay, we'll put some karma at the end for you guys.
	I've got to do something so I can read the spreadsheet on a small machine.
	Andrew Otto in Wahan, Nebraska, 60.
	Jeff Lundberg in Northville, Michigan.
	He sent a note in.
	I thought I put that on there.
	I'm going to read it because it's got some funny stuff.
	He was one of the guys at the meetup, Jeff.
	My wife and I have been living the mac and cheese life, trying to get out of debt.
	Regardless, the show's been fantastic lately, so I'd like to start holding up my end of value for value proposition with a double nickels on the dime donation, mostly because I want to hear John say double nickels on the dime.
	Hey, hey, hey.
	And he wants a de-douching and a karma for all the other producers out there, and he's got a birthday coming up on the 4th, which I'll do later.
	You've been de-douched.
	You've got karma.
	Might as well do it.
	I believe that Jeff is a newer listener, and I think a lot of people don't remember the etymology of double nickels on the dime.
	Ah.
	Do you?
	Yeah.
	One of our listeners about five years ago sent in 5510, or one of our producers, and said, this is double nickels on the dime.
	And it was like relating to some meme that we had going at the time.
	The Minutemen.
	The Minutemen.
	Yeah.
	And so I had the double nickels on the dime, and then all of a sudden it became very popular.
	And people kept donating that amount, and then it just kind of died on the vine.
	William White...
	It's always been...
	It hasn't really died on the vine.
	It's always been around.
	It's been there.
	William White in 5432 in Honeopath...
	South Carolina.
	I'm sorry.
	Thomas Riley in Wheaton, Illinois, 55-33.
	Cameron Smith, 51-51.
	In New Zealand, James Thompson in Cherryvale, Kansas, 51-50.
	Brett Yeo in Baltimore, Maryland, 50-28.
	Aichi Kitagawa in San Francisco, 50-28.
	Which I remember from recently.
	Eric Johnson in some place in Sweden.
	I can't get the name.
	There's a bunch of characters on here.
	Let me see if I can do it.
	These are all $50 donors which include Chris Slowinski who comes in all the time from Alberta.
	Timothy Kiernan from Bellevue, Michigan.
	I think Timothy sent a note.
	Well, I got it.
	Hi, John.
	I'm slowly on my way to a knighthood so I can become Sir Timothy of Michigan.
	Will you have time to meet up with no agenda listeners in Michigan?
	Answer, yes.
	Following, Link describes some of our best restaurants.
	He hooked you up.
	You must have met him.
	Surely you met him while you were there.
	He could have been.
	Taylor Bentley in Tacoma, Washington.
	Brandon Savoy in Parts Unknown.
	Mike Westerfield comes in often.
	Patricia Worthington in Miami, Florida.
	Walter Grant IV in Marino Valley, California.
	And finally, Brian Gilbo.
	I got the note from him.
	He says he wished he could give more, but for a number of reasons, I'm just living the American dream.
	Thanks for the great work show after show.
	I want to mention that our...
	It's a duo, Scott and Alicia and his wife.
	Scott had the story, the $333 executive producer, that I have to relate if you don't want to feel bad.
	So Scott apparently works at one of the delicatessens in Ann Arbor, a famous place called Zingerman's.
	But he had a job that he picked up in mid-Michigan someplace.
	And it was a cult bookstore.
	Not an occult.
	An occult bookstore.
	Black covers with pentagrams.
	Yeah, that kind of a place.
	And the guy said to him, he says, you know, I think we should, you know, there's no good...
	And does anybody know anything about podcasting?
	And Scott chimed in saying, yeah, I know about podcasting.
	And I think the most important thing about podcasting that people have to realize is the quality of the podcast, the quality of the sound.
	It's very important.
	And the guy says to him, what do you know about it?
	And he says, well, I listen to the No Agenda show.
	I listen to the...
	The best podcast in the universe!
	Hello!
	And the guy says, one of the owners, I guess, says to him, you mean the guy with the earthquake machine?
	Yes.
	And then Scott was fired two days later.
	No, you're kidding me.
	No.
	That's the story.
	From the occult bookstore because of the earthquake machine?
	That's what his claim is.
	Wow.
	Damn.
	Damn.
	Yeah.
	That's harsh.
	That's what I thought.
	That's harsh.
	Yeah, it was just one of those stories.
	Oh, that's horrible.
	So I thought you wanted to feel bad.
	I thought I'd liven it up for you.
	How funny is it that we sat here and we're talking to each other about something for 20 minutes and no one will ever hear it.
	I think that happens once in a while.
	I had a great conversation with my wife the other day.
	What did you say?
	What?
	Were you talking to me?
	Wow.
	You're just obsessing on this.
	Yeah, of course I'm obsessing.
	It's one of the worst things that can ever happen.
	I'm obsessing on it because I sat here and I looked at the blank slate and With no recordings going, and then at a certain point I'm like, hey, wait a minute.
	Shouldn't that be recording?
	Oh, man.
	Alright, alright, alright, alright.
	Okay.
	We will make up for it on Sunday, and I want to thank everybody who sponsored us with your donations today.
	Especially everyone who comes in under the $50 level.
	A lot of it is for anonymity reasons.
	A lot of people coming in at $49 or just under the $50 mark.
	A lot of monthly donors.
	Please go to Dvorak.org and look at all of the different options.
	I think we're really bringing the value.
	And look at what you're spending your money on.
	Yeah.
	No, I think we do.
	People spend money on parking tickets.
	They give more to the city for making a mistake than they do to us.
	Yeah.
	Or they send their money to Corolla, which you were talking about, but nobody will remember that because we didn't really talk about it.
	No.
	That's good.
	But see this as health care.
	Then it truly is.
	We are making you healthier.
	That's, by the way, the kind of message I got at the meetup.
	I had this one guy, he had his kid there at the meetup, and the kid was the cutest kid ever.
	And he's already trying to drug the kid.
	He says he's not going to do that.
	He says he wouldn't have even thought of homeschooling, which his wife wanted to do, and still he listens to our show.
	And he doesn't feel uncomfortable about the idea.
	And there's a lot of this concept that I feel better...
	About things, because I've at least listened to two guys who are sane, and these two guys, by the way, neither one of us are taking anything that would alter our consciousness or make us nuts.
	Well, not by force.
	Not by government edict.
	Not by government edict.
	I don't pick it up at the pharmacy.
	So, you know, you have a cognac and you're fine.
	No, no.
	In fact, I don't have a cognac.
	I picked up another Suntory whiskey.
	And someone's been drinking this because it's almost empty.
	I don't know who that is.
	It's the Tories.
	It's very funny.
	This is probably a shitty one.
	But wow, the Suntory whiskey is really good.
	I guess it's the water they use?
	Is that the deal?
	They blend.
	I don't know what they do.
	I used to know more about Suntory whiskey than I do currently.
	It's really smooth.
	I like it a lot.
	It really tastes good.
	It's a blended whiskey.
	It's designed to be very smooth.
	All right.
	And also, of course, we want to thank our executive producers and associate executive producers.
	You really came through for us.
	Some of you even got credited a second time while you weren't supposed to.
	I don't know.
	Things happen.
	We're a very small outfit.
	We're a very small outfit.
	We're operating on a budget here.
	It wouldn't be bad to have a little bit more budget.
	please go to dvorak.org slash NA It's your birthday birthday I'm no I'm no Well, it's real easy Paulina Spencer says happy birthday to Edwin Lichtenberg, who celebrates on the 27th.
	And that's it.
	Happy birthday from all your friends here at The Best Podcast in the Universe.
	And Sir Nate Wilson, thanks to his donation today, becomes a baronet, and he'll become Baronet Wilson of the Lowcountry, and of course he can't really claim a protectorate until he is a baron, but I guess he's looking forward to, I guess he's just getting ready for everything.
	And no other knightings or anything today, unfortunately.
	Well, hopefully on Sunday.
	We haven't had an instant night for a while.
	That's what we're looking for.
	Instant night, yeah.
	Of course, the big news, which I've been following for years now, and it finally happened.
	It was very interesting to see so many of the news outlets going, oh, well, they didn't sign the gas deal.
	And then at the very end there, We had the Chinese and the Russians under the watchful eye of...
	Signed their $400 billion deal for the pipeline from Siberia up to China, which is a very small...
	It's much smaller than it sounds.
	I mean, no way will it make up for anything they lose in sales to Europe.
	And it's also nothing near what China really needs.
	But it's significant.
	They've been trying to get this deal together for 10 years.
	And I think the whole Putin going over there, it was really a show...
	The audience was the United States government.
	I think you would agree with me on that, John.
	Yeah, obviously.
	Yeah, it's like, hey, ha ha ha ha, look at what we're doing.
	That's really what that was about.
	But something very odd happened.
	And I haven't...
	I have a short clip...
	This is Holder.
	So now here's what we have.
	We have Putin going over to China to do this deal.
	And by the way, there's also some security conference.
	There's a whole bunch of stuff going on over there.
	We're floundering away with Noodleman and all the neocons in Ukraine trying to set up this bogative election, which will take place on, what, the 25th?
	So that's, what is that, Sunday?
	I guess it's Summit.
	Yeah, looks like it.
	And then, you know, if we look at the pivot to Asia, if you look at the BRICS, and my thesis, of course, slowly but surely, there's a movement underway to rid the world of the petrodollar.
	And this Russia-China deal...
	Although it seems like the pricing is still done in dollars, you know, it's going to be in local currency.
	So whether it's ReminiB or whether it's rubles or, oh God forbid, SDRs, it's not going to be in dollars.
	So this, you know, it's just a little chink, a little chunk, a little bit.
	And then Holder are the United States, the highest man in all of justice, above even the Comey douche who you heard.
	I mean, he's the guy everyone reports to.
	He comes out and does this.
	We're here this morning to discuss a matter that proves this threat, warned about by the president, is all too real.
	Today we are announcing an indictment against five officers of the Chinese People's Liberation Army for serious cyber security breaches against six American victim companies.
	Victim companies, by the way.
	Please note, the victim companies...
	These represent the first ever charges against known state actors for infiltrating United States commercial targets by cyber means.
	A federal grand jury in Pittsburgh has found that these five Chinese military officers conspired together and with others to hack into the computers of organizations in the western Pennsylvania and elsewhere in the United States.
	The victim entities include Westinghouse Electric, This is very interesting to me.
	First of all, I don't know about how much intellectual property the Chinese need to steal from Solar World.
	Don't the Chinese have cheaper solar panels and better technology than we do?
	Yeah, they're the ones that took over the market.
	Right.
	And then steel?
	Really?
	Don't the Chinese kind of own the steel market?
	So apparently it was some kind of deal for someone, and you'll hear it in a second from Holder, that they stole, I guess they sold the PowerPoint or something.
	They went and stole their pitch deck.
	This is a case alleging economic espionage by members of the Chinese military.
	The range of trade secrets and other sensitive business information stolen in this case is significant and demands an aggressive response.
	The indictment alleges that these PLA officers maintained unauthorized access to victim computers to steal information from these entities that would be useful to their competitors in China, including state-owned enterprises.
	In some cases, they stole trade secrets that would have been particularly beneficial to Chinese companies at the time that they were stolen.
	Okay, so you know what I mean?
	It sounds like a pitch.
	If anything, it sounds like a pricing issue.
	Somehow, these five Chinese, and it's very funny.
	Did you hear their names, who he indicted?
	This is funny.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's almost like that something wrong.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, hold on a second.
	That's exactly what it was.
	It was Wong Dong.
	Yeah, I'll play the rest of the hole, then we can talk about it.
	In others, they stole sensitive internal communications that would provide a competitor or an adversary in litigation with insight into the strategy and the vulnerabilities of the American entity.
	In sum, the alleged hacking appears to have been conducted for no other reason than to advantage state-owned companies and other interests in China at the expense of businesses here in the United States.
	This is a tactic that the United States government categorically denounces.
	Of course, we never do this.
	As President Obama has said on numerous occasions, we do not collect intelligence to provide a competitive advantage to United States companies or to the United States commercial sector.
	Our economic security and our ability to compete fairly in the global marketplace are directly linked to our national security.
	There you go.
	Yeah, we don't do that.
	So, there's an indictment of five guys who we're never going to catch because they're in, I don't know, China.
	It's ludicrous.
	It could be just anonymous names for all we know.
	So, why does Holder do this?
	Why, when there's such an important meeting happening, is this guy insane?
	In fact, before you answer, let's go to our friend Matt from Associated Press, who asked Jen Psaki this very question.
	So, in other words, what you're saying is the Department of Justice came to you and said, we're going to do this.
	And you said, the building said, okay.
	And then you went and told the Chinese before the announcement?
	MS.
	Well, that is about the timeline of things, yes.
	We consult with governments on a regular basis as the State Department.
	Did the State Department think that it was a good idea to do this?
	Given the reaction of the Chinese government to indictments that even the Justice Department doesn't think it will ever be able to prosecute, and the fact that it happened as President Putin was flying to China Can you explain how this was not what seems to be just an epic...
	Fuck up?
	...timing disaster?
	You are, correct me if I'm wrong, seeking Chinese help, cooperation, on any number of issues ranging from North Korea to Iran to Syria to wherever.
	Is that right?
	We are right.
	At the same time, you are engaged in preparatory discussions for the SNED, which is going on.
	Is that the Security Economic Summit, I think it is?
	The SED? Yeah, I think so.
	Something like that.
	So I don't know.
	I just find it very difficult to believe that the State Department would say to the Justice Department, okay, yeah, this is a good idea.
	Let's announce these indictments, which we're never going to prosecute.
	It's just for show.
	As the Attorney General said, this is a wake-up call to the Chinese.
	And you just basically drove the Chinese into Putin's arms.
	What's your take on this, John?
	Because that's exactly the take I had on it.
	I'm not buying that they drove the Chinese.
	I think this is a...
	For one thing, let's start with the reality of this.
	That building that they found this bullcrap going on in was spotted and discussed in the media about two or three months ago.
	Even longer ago, I think.
	Maybe.
	My time frame could be wrong.
	But it's been a known entity.
	It's been sitting there.
	And now, I guess they penetrated it somehow, or it took them that long, or they always knew all along, and so they had to do this thing out of the blue at the last minute for this particular moment.
	I'm thinking, you know, it's just like, I have no idea why they timed it for this.
	It is a meaningless effort.
	It has something to do with hacking.
	There's a lot of hacking stories.
	Do you think it's possible that it was meant to actually, the pipeline deal wasn't signed until the last minute?
	You don't think that there was just a little push, no?
	No, I don't think so.
	I really think that we don't have a clue why they did this at this moment.
	I felt the same way.
	That's why I didn't actually clip it or deal with it because I was baffled by the whole thing.
	It's like...
	It may have to do with that special that Frontline ran.
	I mean, the timing of that is right on the money.
	It's like Frontline runs the special United States of Secrecy, and then they throw this thing into the pot, which we've known was going on all along, right in the middle of the showing of that story, which was getting, I'm sure, a lot of people calling their congressmen bitching.
	And so they throw this thing in there, and now they've got to, well, you know, we have to do it because the Chinese do it.
	It's the only thing that's even remotely possible in my mind.
	Good point.
	And, well, so the interesting thing, of course, is that, you know, it's another little chink in the armor.
	I'm just not, I'm not sure who's on whose side, you know, but I'm not completely convinced that, as you know, that anyone has America's best interests at heart.
	I just, I just don't see any.
	We know that Kerry and Noodleman, all the neocons, they all want the IMF reform signed and ratified because they're all globalists.
	They all want the SDR stuff to happen.
	They don't care.
	Everyone's got their kids in Kyiv.
	Yeah.
	Hey, kids in Kiev.
	There you go.
	Oh, and they got Biden's kids working in Ukraine.
	By the way, I have a Ukraine clip that I want to get out of the way because it kind of complicates the matter of Ukraine.
	Nice.
	That it kind of confuses things.
	I've had this clip for a couple of weeks, but I just haven't had an excuse to play it.
	But play this clip because it's very interesting.
	In the wake of the severance of political ties between Kyiv and Moscow, both countries are looking at how to limit the damage to their multi-billion dollar military industries, which have been entwined for decades.
	Kyiv could axe trade with Moscow, its biggest buyer of military equipment, but may be able to offset thousands of job losses by exploring newly opened market opportunities in the EU. However, Russia faces a lengthy and expensive challenge In replacing the hundreds of Ukrainian companies which provide crucial parts to the Russian arsenal.
	About 400 Russian defense companies, over a third of the country's total, rely on Ukrainian expertise and military manufacturing.
	If Kiev outlawed such cooperation, Russia's state armaments program would be seriously damaged.
	Russia's arms industry relies on Motor Sich airplane engines built in the Ukrainian city of Zaporozhye and turbines from the Zorya Mashprojekt complex in Nikolaev in southern Ukraine are an important component of Russia's maritime fleet.
	Russia also needs Ukrainian expertise from state-owned company Yuzhnoi, which oversees maintenance of Russia's nuclear missiles.
	Yuzhmesh, also a state-owned company, manufactures missiles, satellites and spacecraft used by Russia.
	Experts say it could be at least a decade before Russia would be able to gain military independence from Ukraine, with Moscow needing to invest heavily in constructing entirely new arms manufacturing sectors.
	Although a complete termination of military alliances between Russian and Ukrainian defense companies would be catastrophic for both countries in the short run, prospects for Ukraine look better, with a host of EU defense manufacturers already eager to enter the lucrative Ukrainian market.
	Yeah, all wars are banker wars.
	Beautiful.
	I find that an interesting report.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we need more war.
	Well, it's going to happen.
	Something bad is going to happen.
	I can tell you why.
	The signals are right here.
	May 25th, Sunday, we have the vote.
	This is the presidential election.
	And there will be a team of observers to supervise the presidential election.
	And who will be leading that team?
	Biden.
	Close enough.
	Madeleine Albright.
	Oh my god, worse.
	I mean, you could not have a worse...
	First of all, she's a zombie.
	She is a zombie.
	And essentially, they're just hiring her.
	Something's wrong with her.
	Well, they're hiring her company.
	But she has a huge...
	The Albright...
	What is that thing called?
	The Albright...
	It's huge.
	Everybody's in that thing.
	The Albright Consulting.
	I think it makes sense, right?
	Albright Consulting.
	Here we go.
	No, that's not it.
	What is that thing called, John?
	Albright...
	I'll look it up.
	Albright Stonebridge Group.
	There you go.
	The Albright Stonebridge Group.
	This thing is big.
	Global strategy and business advisory firm led by former U.S. Secretary of State in the Clinton administration, Madeleine Albright.
	Let's see, Sam Berger is in there.
	We have...
	They've got offices in Beijing, Shanghai, Sao Paulo, New Delhi, the Albright Group, and Stonebridge LLC. They merged in 2009.
	They've worked in 65...
	So when you want something to happen in a country, you call these guys.
	But you want to get a deal together?
	You call these guys.
	That's who you want to call.
	Now they're overseeing the election process.
	Yeah.
	We speak the languages of businesses and governments translating opportunities and risks into benefits and rewards.
	Let me see if there's anything on the news.
	Albrightstonebridge.com Wow.
	It's funny, they're doing all kinds of voting stuff.
	Senior Counselor Ambassador Gyps op-ed on the upcoming South African elections.
	Senior Advisor Browner's profile, let me see, voting continues in India.
	Oh man, you know, such a big game.
	Such a big game.
	Nobody understands this.
	Yeah, well, we do not.
	We're not part of it, that's for sure.
	There's an interesting report that came out in regard to Common Core and the whole STEM push, science, technology, engineering, and math.
	And I don't know if you saw any of this, John.
	The report, which I looked at the report...
	Who did this report?
	Actually, it was a report, and they brought in a number of reports from the Rand Corporation, EPI, Economic Policy Institute.
	And as it turns out, there is absolutely no shortage of workers with STEM degrees for STEM jobs.
	And this whole push for STEM, which as we know, certainly in the common core realm, is being paid for by Microsoft and Motorola and Intel and Dell, is only meant for one thing and one thing only.
	Wage suppression.
	Okay.
	Yeah, you know, that's what you said is I should have spotted it myself as a former union organizer.
	Yeah.
	That's exactly what it is.
	Yeah.
	They're paying too much money and it's getting too difficult to get the Indians to come over because they'll work for cheap.
	Yeah.
	And, yeah, that's good.
	I like it.
	Yeah.
	This is what this guy at Davis has been saying for years.
	He says all this stuff is bullcrap.
	We've got plenty of people that can do any of these jobs, but no one wants to pay them what they're worth.
	Yeah.
	And we just had that big lawsuit?
	Apple and everyone colluding?
	Yeah.
	Right, right, right, right.
	Yeah, Apple, they should throw somebody in jail over this, but they won't.
	Really?
	Was it a jailable offense in your opinion?
	I think it was, yeah.
	How so?
	It's an antitrust, anti-competitive thing.
	I think it's like a misdemeanor.
	I think it's a jailable, or maybe even worse.
	It's not a minor thing, what they did.
	That kind of collusion is just solidly against the law.
	Well, so that's what's going on.
	And anyone pushing your kids towards a...
	In fact, I'm going to play you a little clippy.
	Tell him to take the saxophone instead.
	This is a fun little clip.
	Are you going to tell me who this is?
	There we go.
	What's this for?
	As a child, I dreamed of what I wanted to become.
	A doctor, a teacher, a scientist, an architect.
	Children today have these same dreams.
	We encourage them to think big and set their sights high.
	I'll tell you what this is, Bob.
	This is a promotional video for a foundation, a big American corporation foundation, who are financing charter schools.
	Actually, one of our producers sent this to me.
	He heard an entire piece on NPR about Common Core, and the underwriter of the piece was this outfit.
	With millions of students in America, it's much harder for that dream to come true.
	These students are handed a system that doesn't give everyone the same opportunity to succeed.
	Students from low-income communities are often forced to attend underperforming schools that fail to prepare them to succeed in college and their careers.
	Nearly three-quarters of low-income fourth graders are not proficient in reading.
	You've got to see the video to this.
	They use that OECD data, but they're not really using the data.
	You just see little maps of countries.
	You see Japan and China, and their charts are way bigger than America.
	No numbers or anything.
	Just like a big bar chart.
	It shows that we just suck.
	We're just horrible.
	We're dumb.
	We're dummies.
	Which is...
	Which is not true.
	Which is not true.
	No, it's small percentages.
	Out of every five black and Hispanic teenagers do not graduate from high school.
	Cutting their dreams short and setting the stage for unemployment, increased crime, and a host of other problems.
	Woo!
	Like drugs!
	This failure affects all of America as we fall short of our ideals of equal opportunity and lag farther and farther behind other countries.
	All right.
	Who do you think it is?
	The reveal is coming.
	Microsoft.
	An academic achievement.
	As a parent, I see the need for immediate action.
	Google.
	Action that will transform our public school system.
	Better.
	And give our children the opportunity to not only dream big, but also see their dreams come true.
	The Walton Family Foundation shares my urge...
	Right, the cheapest bastards in the world.
	That's Walmart.
	There's a huge one that's doing, they're doing a huge push here about, we're going to hire 100,000 veterans, you know, and it's obviously, you know, low-paying jobs.
	You say hello to people coming in.
	We have to wrap this up because you have to go to bed, and I'm fearful that because of the mistakes that have happened on the show, including mine of sending the old spreadsheet, I looked it up.
	I'm just getting into it.
	I'm just having fun.
	Now you want to quit?
	Well, it's like, you know, at some point we have to cut the show off and finish so you can post it because you're going to fall asleep in the meantime.
	Well, the way I see it is we are at two hours, because we lost 20 minutes, we're now at two hours and 25 minutes.
	So we've got five more minutes to go.
	You have something for us?
	I will fill this with joy.
	Okay, fill it.
	The 9-11 Museum opened in New York City to a lot of controversy, obviously, because they're selling little tchotchkes.
	The burning building?
	Yeah.
	In a globe?
	In a snow globe?
	Yeah.
	Do you know this for a fact?
	Is this a burning building snow globe?
	It's a money maker, I can tell you now.
	Like, you know, little pieces of steel keychains.
	I mean, there's a lot of controversy.
	A lot of people are very angry about this.
	Very angry.
	And so, of course, you know, we need to circumvent this.
	And we need to bring in some experts.
	And the best thing you can do is just turn it into a truther thing.
	Two clips, both from CNN, of course.
	Don Lemon first.
	He is now going to spin the Truth or Museum, which sounds pretty disgusting to me.
	So this is a memorial.
	This is where all these people died.
	And instead of saying, hey, this museum is a little weird with the burning building snow globe.
	No, let's make it about 9-11 truthers.
	And both he and Jake Tapper, he's not even pretending to care anymore.
	But Don Lemon still kind of gets into it.
	Back with me now, New York State Assemblywoman Nicole Malliotakis.
	Allison, I want to turn to you because you said that you're okay with this gift shop, but how do you feel about these truthers that are coming out and sort of promulgating this whole myth of 9-11 that it was an inside job outside the museum at the memorial?
	What do you make of that?
	Now, so this is a New York Assemblywoman, and he's just washed away the whole controversy over the gift shop.
	And what do you make of these crazy truthers?
	She has some new information I was not aware of.
	Well, I think it's very unfortunate, and it's very insensitive of these people.
	But this is a country that has freedom of speech.
	So, you know...
	I suppose they have their right to say whatever they feel.
	They're not well informed.
	You know, nobody was standing there pushing a button and saying, all right, time to collapse the buildings.
	The buildings were structurally compromised.
	Okay, let me just say, no one asked you for this opinion.
	Nobody was sitting there with a button.
	The attacks, and when they were built, as I understand it, I attended the skyscraper safety hearings for the 9-11 Commission.
	Now, I've never heard of the skyscraper safety hearings for the 9-11 Commission.
	I followed this very closely.
	I read the report, of course.
	I've never heard of this commission.
	She attended it, and here's some new information.
	And I understood that these buildings were designed to come straight down, if anything happened, which was unimaginable at that time, to prevent larger, greater damage of them toppling over.
	Okay, let me get this straight.
	These buildings, including...
	WTC-7 won't go away!
	Which had absolutely no plane fly into it, were designed, were designed, mind you, to collapse at the speed of...
	Straight down.
	Straight down, at gravity speed, even if it was just fire.
	In one piece.
	So, you know...
	So it wasn't topple over, like a Jenga.
	Yeah.
	Look out!
	It's toppling!
	He pushed that button and said, all right, time to kind of collapse these things.
	They just...
	Yeah, no, no.
	You know, when you say this twice, lady, no one press the button and says try to collapse this.
	They just came down.
	Oh, no.
	You know, people have been saying the world is ending in big newspaper headlines.
	Oh, so now the newspapers are conspiracy theorists, apparently.
	A long time.
	So it's just, I put it in that category.
	Oh, of newspapers.
	Okay.
	Of utter nonsense.
	And if they, you know, people just need to be informed.
	Okay.
	We need to be informed.
	Okay, alright.
	So I'm just a little confused about how World Trade Center...
	What's that got to do with the gift shop, too?
	Okay, let's go to Jake Tapper.
	Now he brings on...
	He's running out of ideas, or CNN is.
	So they couldn't get the Assemblywoman.
	Let's bring on, I don't know, some ditz from Slate Magazine.
	What do you say, John?
	That could be funny.
	- The September 11th Memorial Museum opens to the public this week in Lower Manhattan and some conspiracy theorists, - Crazies! - who are apparently no strangers to Photoshop, plan on attending.
	According to the Village Voice, This is now a conspiracy group.
	I have to say, of all the people who...
	Of all the groups, that is the most legitimate, it seems to me.
	That and pilots for 9-11 Truth, which I'm a member of, because, you know, the NIST report says these aircraft flew at 530 miles per hour at 2,000 feet.
	I don't think so.
	But okay, and it's all kinds of discrepancies, but architects and engineers, that's a conspiracy group now?
	Wow.
	Plan on standing outside the entrance on opening day to hand out fake museum brochures designed to look exactly like the real ones.
	Okay, so let's not talk about the museum.
	Let's talk about crazy truthers.
	Take a look.
	On the left side of your screen, the real deal.
	Welcome to the 9-11 Memorial Preview, Visitor's Guide for Adults.
	On the right, the group's handiwork.
	Welcome to the other story about 9-11.
	That's, of course, the false one.
	False.
	I'm using the term loosely there.
	Proving!
	I'll tell you, Jake...
	Of course Jake has his own thoughts, but he's been told, hey, what you need to do is discredit these guys and distract attention away from the museum, which is kind of sick.
	And just go, you know what, Jake, when you get this ditzy chick on, just go nuts.
	That's their word, not ours.
	But all three World Trade Center skyscrapers were deliberately destroyed by explosives on 9-11.
	Of course, they don't actually prove anything except for man's capacity for believing crazy things and man's insensitivity to, for instance, the families of the approximately 3,000 people killed in New York, the Pentagon, and in a field in Pennsylvania by Islamic terrorists with Al-Qaeda, as every credible investigation has actually proven.
	Do you think Jake could sleep at night after this one, John?
	Do you think he was okay after this?
	I don't think.
	I think he was fine.
	Let's bring in Emily Bazelon.
	I think these guys aren't all in on this.
	Let's bring in Emily.
	Emily is great.
	Senior editor at Slate for more on this.
	Does anyone still read Slate Magazine?
	Is that a website, or what is that?
	It's owned by Microsoft, so you can figure it out for yourself.
	We are more than a decade after the tragedy.
	No, I take it back the Washington Post bought it.
	Oh, okay.
	Which is even worse.
	Yes, it's Amazon.
	It's not Microsoft, it's Amazon.
	Gotcha.
	Why do these truthers have such staying power?
	It's such a good question, the persistence of this theory.
	You know, usually with a conspiracy theory, you imagine that people are trying to make sense of the senseless.
	But with 9-11, we have a real conspiracy called Al-Qaeda.
	And so, one has to imagine that the anti-government motivation of the 9-11 truthers is really what's driving this.
	Because if you could imagine that the government made up 9-11 as a hoax, then the government is completely monstrous.
	There's no reason to believe anything any federal official says and certainly no reason to pay your taxes.
	You're making my point for me.
	Wait a minute.
	No reason to pay your taxes?
	Don't pay your taxes.
	The lady from Slate said it.
	Don't pay your taxes.
	If you think the government is evil, don't pay your taxes.
	There's no reason.
	And what happens when this kind of nonsense hits the echo chamber of the internet?
	Oh, well, that's what makes a good podcast, of course.
	Yeah.
	Well, it tends to multiply online, and you see these dark corners of the internet.
	Hello, I'm in the dark corner of the internet over here.
	Where people pile on and there's this very minute parsing of the technicalities of the supposed evidence and more and more detail gets added and accumulated and it kind of feeds on itself.
	And the idea here, he's not going to stop, right, is not just that the three buildings were destroyed by explosives, that it's all part of this grand conspiracy where the U.S. government I mean, and let me state, if I haven't made it clear enough, none of this is true.
	This is all just crazy talk.
	It's just crazy talk.
	Don't pay your taxes.
	It's crazy talk.
	But that the U.S. government faked it, killed all these people intentionally, and it was just to start a war in Iraq and another one in Afghanistan.
	Is that the idea that they're going for here?
	Let me see.
	Let's listen to General Wesley Clark for a second.
	About 10 days after 9-11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz.
	I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the joint staff who used to work for me.
	And one of the generals called me and he said, sir, you got to come in.
	You got to come in and talk to me a second.
	I said, well, you're too busy.
	He said, no, no.
	He says, you We've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq.
	This was on or about the 20th of September.
	I said, we're going to war with Iraq.
	Why?
	He said, I don't know.
	He said, I guess they don't know what else to do.
	So I said, well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to Al-Qaeda?
	He said, no, no.
	He says, there's nothing new that way.
	They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.
	He said, I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments.
	And he said, I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.
	So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan.
	I said, are we still going to war with Iraq?
	And he said, oh, it's worse than that.
	He said, he reached over on his desk, he picked up a piece of paper, and he said, I just got this down from upstairs, meaning the Secretary of Defense's office today, and he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.
	It's just crazy talk.
	It's just crazy talk.
	That's the idea, and just to state it is to show how horrifying it is.
	I suppose that, given that the American government did put forward some false ideas to motivate going into Iraq, in particular the whole idea that there were weapons of mass destruction there, that's like the tiny, tiny kernel of truth.
	It's just a tiny, teeny, little, itty-bitty crumb of little piece of nothingness.
	It's just nothing.
	It's in some way related to this completely crazy theory.
	And there's also a lot of scapegoating involved in 9-11 truth or something.
	There's anti-Semitism, anti-Israel, anti-corporations, right?
	Exactly, and I think you see these virulent...
	Wait, wait.
	Wait, wait for it.
	How about Republicans?
	Friends that are related to each other and familiar from fringe right-wing...
	Did you notice the word virulent again?
	Yes!
	This is virulent.
	What?
	Look this word up.
	I told you it was a meme at the beginning of the show.
	Virulent.
	What does virulent mean?
	It means, uh...
	Ah, actively poisonous.
	Intensely noxious.
	You're going to hear it a lot.
	Virulent.
	Actively poisonous.
	Oh, I like this.
	This is very, very nice.
	Exactly.
	And I think you see these virulent strains that are related to each other and familiar from fringe right-wing talk.
	Yes, exactly.
	Right-wing talk.
	Republicans.
	They all get kind of weirdly braided together in this particular theory.
	Okay, I've had it with her.
	Stop.
	This woman is an idiot.
	Oh, she's lovely.
	She's got that screechy voice like the woman with putting the flute in herself.
	26 more seconds.
	I know you can handle it.
	No, I can't.
	Oh, yes, you can.
	This is Jake.
	This is Jake.
	This is the longest five minutes in the history of the show, by the way.
	Spiracy's come after very upsetting events.
	Kennedy assassination, the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.
	Is there a pattern there?
	Oh.
	I think that each time something really scary and disastrous happens, people search for meaning.
	And then sometimes, even when there is a clear explanation, because we have that for 9-11 in a way that we didn't for the Kennedy assassination, certainly at first.
	Then you have this search for supposed other evidence out there, and people just kind of pick it up and run with it, even when it seems completely unwarranted.
	Oh, and this one time, at band camp, I stuck a flute in my pussy.
	Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi.
	Alright.
	Jeez.
	Next time I have a boring clip of some nudge job, and you say, oh, I can't play it anymore, you're playing it.
	Yeah.
	She was terrible.
	I know.
	But unlistenable terrible.
	She was annoying and it was a terrible clip.
	It was two minutes of my life I'll never get back.
	You're right.
	I'm sorry.
	I apologize.
	She's a horrible person.
	I think the point...
	And then why was she even on the show?
	That's my point.
	She's not an expert in it.
	I know, but you didn't have to let her talk.
	It was funny.
	I like what she said about this little itty-bitty, this little thing about weapons of mass destruction.
	It was...
	We only killed a million Iraqis.
	It's no big deal.
	Well, that was amusing, but I think you're punchy.
	I'm punchy?
	Yeah, it's late in the day, you didn't get a nap today, and you just think this idiot's hilarious, when in fact she's just an idiot.
	Well, then I'll let you take us home, big boy.
	Well, I want to thank everybody for listening to this show.
	Oh, come on, you've got to have one clip to take us home.
	Oh, I got...
	Well, I do have a Rubio clip, which cracks me up.
	I have a clip about torture, but that's no fun.
	Well, let's see if you can top my girl from Slate.
	Come on.
	Oh, you mean the bad clip?
	No, no, make it better.
	Okay.
	Well, let's play the...
	Actually, let's play...
	Let's play the student loan crisis clip.
	No, it's too long.
	No, I got nothing.
	It's only a minute.
	Brahimi, this guy, the guy used to be the go-between between the UN and Syria.
	Play him.
	Presidential elections for June.
	But the question is, how many more dead?
	How much more destruction?
	That is going to be before Syria becomes again the Syria we have known, the new Syria that will be different from the Syria of the past, but it will be the Syria we have loved and admired for many, many years.
	Wait a minute.
	The Syria that we've loved and admired?
	Yes.
	The Syria that we've known?
	Yes.
	Syria was always a terrorist state.
	It was one of the worst countries ever.
	Somehow, according to this UN guy that we've known and loved.
	We put Bashar's wife in Vogue magazine.
	Everybody was hanging out with him.
	Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie were driving around Damascus having lunch.
	Oh, how quickly we forget.
	This is the country that probably brought down that Pan Am flight.
	No, that was a CIA drug-running operation.
	That was different.
	Well, I'm sure it was involved somehow.
	But they're the ones who, I think, they're the ones who were responsible for a whole crapload of terrorist things that they used to use to, uh...
	Well, does that mean you don't have to love them?
	No, it says it was a country we all known and loved.
	Ugh, does anybody just want it to be weird?
	Ha, ha, ha, ha.
	Ah, John, when are you flying home?
	Tomorrow.
	Okay.
	Oh, but you're done for tonight?
	You don't have to do anything?
	I got another meet-up.
	Oh, all right.
	But no speaking game?
	No more speaking, no.
	Okay, that's cool.
	Cool.
	All right, well, we fly home tomorrow.
	It'll be a long flight.
	We leave tomorrow, and we fly home yesterday, and we arrived yesterday.
	And looking forward to the show on Sunday.
	And thank you all for putting up with my punchiness here.
	Of course, it is 3.20 a.m.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Okay, go on.
	It's 3.20 a.m.
	Think about it.
	It happens.
	It happens.
	All right.
	Coming to you from the Hot Pockets Wasabi Tour Love Hotel here in Tokyo.
	Good morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And coming from a Marriott someplace in Michigan, I'm John C. Dvorak.
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