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Coming to you from the top of the Kremlin.
This is the voice of Russia.
Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
It's Sunday, May 18th, 2014.
It's time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 618.
This is no agenda.
Still coming to you from the future here in the Hot Pocket Wasabi Tour Love Hotel in the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And stepping all over him because I have to because of the latency.
I'm John C. Dvorak.
Wow, nailed it!
It was so tight, you could not fit a needle in between us.
I started talking on the word curry.
As soon as he says, boom, I hit it.
Yeah, and what's really interesting is we can do a half hour pre-show, getting ready, and the minute we start, then the whole Skype connection falls apart.
Yeah, I know.
It's really unbelievable.
It's almost unfair.
I'm going to get through it.
What?
Ugh.
That's okay.
Try again.
Just keep going.
I just got an internet connection problem error.
Ah, okay.
So, I thought so.
I'm looking...
On Skype.
On Skype.
Yeah, but it's got to be you.
Why?
Why?
Because, you know, I'm in Japan where everything is awesome.
It's Japan.
Oh, that's right.
You're on this ridiculous high band that they have over there in Asia.
Yeah, well, I'm looking at the ping times and everything's okay.
And it's just, I don't know.
You're on your regular connection?
Yeah, yeah.
I can go to Comcast if you want.
Wow, that might be interesting to try.
Yeah, well, maybe later.
Anyway, it is, what is it, 19 minutes past midnight here in Tokyo, and it is episode 618 of the best podcast in the universe, trying our best to keep it all together, and you are, what is it, hour, yeah.
It's 8 in the morning, which is fine, it's not that late, but I usually do the pre-show in the morning, in the morning, in the morning, and so I had to get up earlier.
Okay.
But I'm in a better mood than I was last time.
Oh, you know, it's funny.
Some people commented on your mood.
Yeah, they said I was in a bad mood.
Yeah.
Well, it's because I was stuck with this latency.
You're talking away.
Yuck, yuck, yuck.
And then you throw it to me, and then there's an hour lag, and I say, uh, what?
And then you yuck some more.
You know what?
Let's try Comcast.
Oh, you think that's going to help?
I don't know, John.
This is pretty pathetic.
Okay.
It's worth it.
Yeah, I can.
It's not actually...
Actually, I can almost do it on the fly so we can keep talking.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
No, seriously.
I can go to the Network Connection Sharing Center and just turn off this network.
Okay.
And you think the Skype connection will just keep working?
You know, stranger things have happened.
Okay.
Well, I'm marking the time down to edit this out in case it becomes boring.
First, of course, I've got to figure out, because every one of these computers I have have a different...
Why doesn't Windows just stay with the same basic interfaces?
It's just beyond me.
Okay, here we go.
This gets shut off.
Disabling?
Okay, disabling as we speak.
I'm looking at his connection.
He still seems to be there.
It's kind of interesting to...
Play with this.
Okay, you've disabled.
Are you still there?
Alright.
Marking the time down.
That was really weird just before we started.
18, 19, 20.
You're back.
And I didn't do anything.
Yeah, well, it did reconnect.
Yeah, well...
I'm telling you, interestingly enough, and this is internet type stuff, you might think that SonicNet, which you're normally on, may just not have the routes to Japan that Comcast would have.
Comcast might be more Japanese-centric.
Yeah, and I have to say, you've never sounded better on Comcast.
Well, there you have it.
I'll send them the memo, because I'm always complaining to them.
Don't worry, I'm sure something will screw up eventually.
So this is the reason that you need multiple connections.
I was listening to the FCC hearings.
Yes.
And one of the people said, well, then you get this, and it's like a monopoly of...
They had some weird term they used.
Did you get clips?
Because you wrote about this in your newsletter update.
I got the one clip of this long...
I got the clip of the rationale why the Democrats had voted yes on the Wheeler proposal and the Republicans voted no.
And the problem is that the two women are the Democrats and the two men are the Republicans and the two women are these unbelievably long-winded boors.
Yeah.
Blah, blah, blah.
And in fact, we want to get this out of the way.
Let's play the one woman, the black one, whose first name is Mignon, as Filet Mignon, which just seems odd, but that's what her name is.
Right.
You start playing this and you hear she's coming up with all the reasons that the government should be involved.
The government has to be involved because we're all going to be screwed if the government doesn't do something.
So we need the government, the government, the government in the internet.
And here she is rationalizing and she's throwing cliché.
She's sentence structure is crazy.
She says stuff that makes no sense if you listen to it.
But just play away and then you can stop it when you feel it.
Not a company, not the government, determine winners and losers.
It is a free market edit.
Yeah, I'm done.
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
You shouldn't be kidding.
It's best.
All of this, however, does not nor will it ever occur organically.
Without rules governing a free and open internet, it is possible that companies, fixed and wireless broadband providers, could independently determine whether they want to discriminate or block content, pick favorites, charge higher fees, or distort the market.
I have been listening to concerns, not just from my mother, but from thousands of consumers.
By the way...
I have been listening.
Let me just say something about...
When people say, my mother, when it relates to technology...
Like, my mother can't figure out how to use that, or it's so easy my mother could use it.
It dulls you.
Yes, it does, because it is misogynistic and ageist at the same time.
And it is so condescending for anyone to use that as an example.
My mother could use it.
Okay, I'm not going to argue the point.
I think you're right.
And so many people do this.
Her whole argument's been couched on what her mother asked her.
Parties.
Startups that fear they won't even get a chance to succeed.
Okay.
Okay, you know what?
We have to get into this.
Startups that fear that they won't be able to succeed.
Alright, so let me go from...
No, no, I'm going to play her a little bit more.
I have a few clips myself of responses around the world.
And as you know, I'm very annoyed by toll road, speed bump, fast lane, slow lane analogies.
And now it seems the whole issue is startups.
Startups won't have a chance, which is bullcrap.
No one cares about this.
No, that's not true, Adam, because she was told by her constituents.
Her constituents told her this.
You have to listen more to this woman.
By the way, when you're done with this part, you can just jump to the second part where she talks a little bit more about her mother and the second question, which is shorter.
I'm enjoying this.
I want to listen.
It's controlled by corporations rather than a competitive level playing field.
How does a level competitive playing field control anything?
But anyway, go on.
To say they will be reticent to commit money to new companies because they are concerned that their new service won't be able to reach consumers in the marketplace because of high costs or differential treatment.
Yeah, this is the Obama bot reasoning about net neutrality.
It used to be Well, you know, there could be choices and different protocols and different systems, and now it's all about the new startup.
But when you really drill down into it, I'm going to take a slight detour here, John, to MSNBC with this woman from Recode.
Recode is the outfit that used to be, what is that, Kara Schwisher?
Yeah, it used to be the D, Digital, all D or whatever.
All Things D. Here is a woman from Recode, and she's really telling you what the issue is.
When they talk about fast lane, it's not like a fast lane that you at home would buy, because you can already buy faster service that you want.
This would be more like a fast lane that an Amazon or a Google or a Facebook or a Netflix could buy to get traffic to your house faster.
And the reason that people are upset about this is because not all companies have enough money to sort of pay for that kind of fast lane service.
And so if this went into effect, smaller companies or startups wouldn't necessarily be able to kind of pay this kind of extra toll to get to your house faster.
So, meaning that Netflix could, in theory, be more expensive, but the next Netflix, the next thing you're going to binge-watch all your favorite shows on, couldn't even get started because they really just can't pay for the faster service.
Exactly.
Okay, exactly.
Now, I'm going to say something here, which I'm going to build upon something that you said earlier in the week, actually, on Twitter.
The American public, for sure, and I think this probably goes for publics around a lot of the globe, When it comes to droning people, when it comes to spying universally, when it comes to screwing the public, no one cares.
Killing American citizens with drones, no one cares.
But you're gonna make my Netflix buffer?
What?
What?
I can't have a new Netflix that I can binge watch on?
What?
Protest?
And that is the pathetic nature of what is going on here.
That is so pathetic.
Yeah, the binge-watching thing.
It's so important that we can binge-watch when we feel like it.
By the way, there was no such thing as binge-watching a decade ago.
And this truly is the only thing people are talking about, is the new Netflix.
The new Netflix.
I want more Hollywood content.
This is so sad.
You're right.
This is actually very pathetic.
It's an indictment of the mentality of the people that are all upset.
Let's go back to Minion 1.
I'm going to say something.
I've got to interrupt you.
Go back to Minion in a second.
I'm going to give a speech in Michigan that I've been working on.
And it turns out, I don't know how many more public speeches I'm going to be able to do.
I'm going to write a copy.
It already sounds like this may be one of the last ones, depending on what you're going to say.
My conclusions, I've been developing a new speech, are extremely depressing.
Do you want to give us a little...
Part of what you said is part of it.
It's just like we have regressed...
The computer revolution began as a freedom movement.
It was a freedom and independence of the big mainframes.
And once the internet got involved, it pushed us back in the other direction to the point where we're all slaves now to this kind of thing and this sort of thinking and our concerns are about binge-watching and we don't give a crap about anything else.
It's even worse, man.
We had dinner tonight with two Dutch guys.
One who has a very well-run, successful advertising agency here, and his friend who sold an internet company in the Netherlands, a social network, a couple years ago.
And so he's kind of on a worldwide tour going around, and this guy, you know, he made some good money, I presume.
He's, you know, he goes to Bali, he's going around China, he's hanging out in Japan, and, you know...
He was just, the things he was saying, and this is a guy who knows what's going on, it was like, well, you know, you really can't stop the, you know, the information flow, and, you know, people that, you know, you can't, the privacy is overrated.
Defeatism.
Defeatism.
These guys are brought in completely to the defeatism of the whole thing.
Oh, you can't do anything about privacy.
Anyone who says that, which is, and it's bullcrap, by the way, you can do plenty about it, but anyone who says that's a defeatist and a depressing loser.
And he was like, you know, what was he saying?
You know, and it's good that people can track if you're a menace to society.
If you're a smoker, then you're a burden on society.
And I'm like, wait a minute.
Are you the kind of guy that also wants to have a GPS tracker in your car to lower your insurance rates?
Yeah, it's unavoidable.
I'll have the chip.
He even said he would have the chip.
And a nice guy, by the way.
But wow!
He was like a transhumanist.
Ray Kurzweil is great.
Bill Gates is saving the world.
My head was exploding.
Yeah, every meme and cliche that we are against on this show is coming at you in stereo.
And I'm trying to eat sushi at the same time.
It's very difficult.
Back to these mignon people.
Educators, even where there is high capacity connection at that school, feel that their students may not be able to take advantage of the best in digital learning if the quality of the content is poor.
Because your YouTube is buffering?
Is that what's going to happen?
The content will be poor?
Oh, please.
Healthcare professionals worrying that the images they need to view will load too slowly and that patients will be unable to benefit from the latest technologies in specialized care.
This is insane!
This woman is rolling out every meme possible.
Let me think.
I'm just going to guess.
What else is she going to talk about?
That we won't be able to get our milk ordered automatically?
Internet of things?
She does a little bit of internet of things.
Made possible through remote monitoring.
And I am hearing from everyday people who say that we need to maintain the openness of the internet.
For Netflix!
And that this openness enables today's discourse to be viewed by thousands and offers them the ability to interact directly with public policy makers and engage in robust exchanges like we are experiencing today.
Let me say how impressed I was when I spoke to some of you on May Street earlier this week.
You came to Washington from North Carolina, New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia on your own dime to affirm just how important this issue is to you.
You made it clear that the Internet is a great equalizer in our society and that average consumers should have the same access to the Internet.
As those with deep pockets.
There are dozens of examples across the globe where we have seen firsthand the dangers to society when people are not allowed to choose.
Government blocking access to content and stifling free speech and public discourse.
Countries like, including some in Europe, where providers have congested or degraded content and apps are being blocked from certain mobile devices.
Oh, excuse me.
That happens here.
It's everywhere.
This is rampant.
And what she's calling for is for legislation that literally will put in place the ability to block so-called illegal content, whatever that means.
Yeah, it would mean downloaded movies and music.
I got an email just before the show, and a lot of people are very happy with our stance and trying to explain what is happening, because if your only source of information is...
You know, mainstream media.
Or the hysterical tech media.
Let me give you...
Here's an example of MSNBC. I know, I know, the more people listen to this show than watch MSNBC, but it is an example of how...
Dumb the mainstream media treats its public.
I don't think the public is dumb, but this is a dumbing down when you talk about this issue like this.
Net neutrality.
It's a wonky techie term.
Oh, it's a wonky techie term.
It's a wonky techie term.
Probably heard thrown around the interwebs.
The interwebs.
It's thrown around the interwebs.
Or read about here and there in the past few months.
And perhaps as a person who uses a computer or a smartphone or a tablet or anything with Wi-Fi, you've wondered whether you should care.
Do you have Wi-Fi?
If you don't have Wi-Fi, you shouldn't care?
Well, you should.
And we figured that given new events unfolding this week in Washington, now is a good time to bring you up to speed.
Get it?
Get it?
If not, hopefully you will in a minute.
For starters, the term net or network neutrality is based on a principle that basic internet protocols should be non-discriminatory.
In short, that content providers should treat all internet traffic equally.
Back in January, an appeals court struck down regulations from the Federal Communications Commission that were designed to protect net neutrality.
And that brings us to this week.
And FCC Chairman Tom Wheelers proposed new rules to protect the open internet.
But with a very big caveat.
A caveat that would essentially create a fast toll road for those who can afford it, and a slower lane for those who can't.
And that has some activists for the open internet really fired up.
Fired up!
On Thursday, protesters gathered outside as FCC board members voted on and weighed in on these new proposed rules for the road for access to high-speed internet.
Alright, you are wrong!
Now, let me just...
So this is an email that came in just before the show.
I've been listening to No Agenda for quite some time now.
Although I disagree with some opinions you have, especially about global warming.
I kept watching you and John.
I hope this person is actually not watching us.
I am too.
I'm looking around for the camera.
Where are you?
I kept watching you and John because you're funny and provide other more reasonable points of view and ways of thinking.
You say a lot of wrong stuff about other topics too, but I have let them all slide because of the same reasons, because we're funny.
I think you've crossed a boundary.
In my head, when you went on the attack against net neutrality...
Although you claim to have more knowledge on the subject than the shittizenry, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Now, I'm not going to do a sentence-by-sentence dissection of your speech on net neutrality or global warming because that would be boring for me.
Boring for you and plainly ineffective since you just dismiss it.
If you don't know who the guy in the video you played is, it's CGP Grey.
Who is that?
I don't know.
He's very well loved on the internet, and I predict you'll get a lot of backlash because of that.
Seems unlikely.
Note, however, that it's not the reason I'm turning you off.
I'm not CGP's bodyguard, although many people are.
We're going to get beat up, John.
I'm turning you off because I think that sometimes you take a position about a subject not because of what you read and believe, but because you just want to be against the majority.
Have fun in Japan!
Wow.
You didn't say anything else?
Did you have fun in Japan creep or anything?
No.
It was kind of like a last line.
Have fun in Japan.
And I'm gone.
I'm out.
I'm stopped listening.
I'm done.
Yeah, well, he's not much of a listener because if he was, he would have heard that letter before the rant that you just recently gave.
You read that letter from the Sysop guy who explained the problem with equal packets.
And in fact, I was watching another thing on C-SPAN. I don't have a clip of it because these guys are a little long-winded, but it was a group of high-end guys in one of the smaller conference rooms discussing the net neutrality issues and why it's bogative.
They were all thinking the same way you were.
And one of them described the situation, if all packets are equal, how do you deal with the following situation?
You have a congested network, which they always get to be because of some people running videos, and you are running a remote control surgery operation where a doctor is in, you know, New York and he's operating on a remote control patient.
Okay, okay, here's how it works.
Hey, I'm going to watch Sharknado in high def.
Who cares about some doctor?
And so the doctor's working, and he needs real-time connectivity through the internet, and he has to have a high priority.
And if it was, let's say, a high-end operation where this sort of thing was happening, which it will in the future, because there's not going to be enough surgeons, there'll be these remote control operations, they're going to have to buy a straight pipe through the same internets, because these are all privately owned pipes anyway, there's very few public ones, And according to all these people, nope, that should be illegal.
You can't do that because now all of a sudden you're prioritizing packets.
How does that work?
That's a very good argument.
And I bet a lot of people would love to pressure their insurance company to ensure, not insure, but ensure that they actually have high priority, paid priority access if they're being operated on.
If you had that option, would you say, oh no, I want my packets for my open heart surgery to be equal to Netflix.
Yeah, and then they gave plenty of examples like that, and it makes nothing but sense when you think about it.
This is a hysterical argument that we're listening to.
Everybody is freaky.
They're not thinking this through.
This is the way the society is now working.
It makes people like this.
I mean, when I was doing Twitch, I mean, everyone's literally shaking.
They're shaking.
They're so mad at you, by the way.
They're so mad at you.
I didn't even do it.
Well, just by even...
Well, Joel, I said, well, I think this is a dog...
Just by poo-pooing it?
Yeah.
Just by not jumping on board?
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You are, by definition, you are the enemy when you do stuff like that.
You are not poo-pooing it, you are...
You are poo-pooing it!
You're poo-pooing it, baby.
There's no good.
You're poo-poo-pooing it.
Well, let's finish off Mignon here, and then I want to play clip two of her, which is a short one, and it's poignant enough that we have to play it.
The second question she posed was, can providers just do what they want?
Now, this is her mom, right?
Yeah, her mom posed the question.
And I'm sure her mom would say, can those service providers, you know, the ISPs, do whatever what they want?
You know, as if she's going to ask that at all.
Of course they did.
The short answer is yes.
As of January, we have no rules to prevent discrimination or blocking.
This is actually a significant change because the FCC has had policies in place dating back to 2004 when the commission under former chairman and my good friend Michael Powell unanimously adopted four principles of an open internet in the internet policy statement.
The internet policy statement which is not enforceable is what she's talking about.
Right.
Back it up, back it up.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I was pouring coffee and I couldn't...
Back it up because she makes this comment, she always does this, she says, the internet policy statement...
Which we're maybe going to enforce one of these days.
And then she keeps bringing this non-enforcing thing up in a very funny way as though it was going to be enforced or we should enforce or maybe net neutrality meeting is about enforcing it.
Okay.
The commission under former chairman and my good friend Michael Powell.
All right, let's just do it again.
Unanimously adopted four principles of an open Internet in the Internet policy statement.
These principles became the rules of the road with the potential for enforcement.
Potential for enforcement.
And this is important to point out because people are being taught now in the media that there were rules that are being dismissed and broken and taken away, which they just were not.
No, there were suggestions.
Yes.
Then in 2010, the commission formally adopted rules to promote an open internet by preventing blocking and unreasonable discrimination.
When the commission approved these rules, I explained why...
Notice, by the way, it's unreasonable discrimination.
This is where we're coming from, which has been working pretty well.
Unreasonable discrimination, and that will remain in place.
...done some things differently.
For instance, I would have applied the same rules to both fixed and mobile broadband, prohibited paid priority agreements, limited any exceptions to the rule, and I am on record as preferring a different legal structure.
The 2010 rules reflect a compromise.
Yes, Mom, I do compromise at times.
But in January of 2014, the D.C. Circuit disagreed with our legal framework, And here we are again.
Yeah, this woman is a moron.
And the main...
Not that she's actually a moron, but...
No, no.
She has no...
She doesn't understand how this works.
She's just talking out of her butt.
She's against paid priority agreements.
That is called peering.
Yeah.
Where you have the unbalanced.
You have an unbalanced.
You've got one side that's delivering a lot of stuff and the other side is not.
It's also known as transit.
That's the technical term.
Transit.
You pay for transit.
And that is because you have no peering and you need to get somewhere and you can't get there for free.
You have to pay for it.
These people have no idea how the internet works.
Interwebs, I'm sorry.
They really have no idea.
And you're right, the hysterical tech press who think that it's just one big round-robin network that everything's flowing and it's all free and it's all equal up and down.
No one ever talks about that anymore, by the way.
Well, I want to point out something.
Talk about it.
Talking about peering and these agreements, all the rest of it.
We changed the connection on this show today in real time from one connection that did not have good peering to Japan, which ran over AT&T, I might add, which would make sense because the Japanese are, you know, centric with their telephone system and they probably don't like AT&T and they probably never got together and the cable company probably did.
So there's a different peering agreement with Comcast than there is.
How is that equal packets?
How can it ever be equal packets?
The overhead to make equal packets is outrageous.
As it cuts out.
Did it cut out?
No, just for a second.
I'm not going to edit the beginning of the show so people can actually hear that, how horrible it was.
You switch to a different network.
And if we had the time, we could do trace routing, and you could see it's probably far fewer hops to get from here to there.
And in fact, it's paid priority.
You pay a certain amount for this particular connection.
But people don't...
They've taken it so for granted...
And you and I know how this works.
Well, people who are the designated technologists in the family, I don't know if that's you, or is that Buzzkill Jr., maybe?
Who's the designated techie in the family that gets the call?
We all get calls.
Eric, probably more than anyone.
He's the wires guy.
The internet doesn't work.
And you have to say, well, what do you mean the internet doesn't work?
Well, I'm trying to get to Facebook.
Oh yeah, that would be me in this house.
Right.
And by the way...
But they never say that.
Everyone knows it.
The internet's down!
Check the router!
Check the router.
But I have an agreement with my wife, the darling Miss Mickey, because I don't mind being the guy when something's wrong, but I said, look, if you want tech support, I'm going to teach you, and let this be a lesson for everybody who deals with tech support, Um, now, actually, I'm going to be very, uh, I'm going to be very misogynistic for a moment.
If you're a woman, and you're asking for tech support from a man, sex it up a little bit.
We respond well to that.
And Mickey does this now.
She says, hey.
This leaves me all kinds of humorous situations.
She does, she comes in, hey, tech support.
And I'm like, I pull off her top or anything?
Sometimes.
Hmm.
Well, that's a way to get results.
That's what I'm saying!
You better believe it gets results.
Now, if you're a dude, there's other ways to dude it up, you know, and you'll get results.
But you have to treat technologists who are going to help you with some respect.
And a little sex.
I don't know how he got off on that bit.
It was good.
I think it's interesting.
It's true.
People don't respect their technology help desk.
They don't.
No, they don't.
They do not respect them.
Because it's like your car.
You know, when your car breaks on, hey, take it to Joe.
Hey, Joe, fix my car.
This stuff is barely working.
It's barely working.
And then it's like, oh, the internet done.
It's like Facebook sucks sometimes.
Or maybe you have to refresh.
There's so many different things.
Anyway.
There was...
Let me reiterate one thing, which is that this is a hopeless argument.
I think the letter you got from that guy...
It's classic.
He is all in on this net neutrality argument from this perspective, and he's all in on global warming.
Gee, what else is he all in on?
He's obviously listened to the show twice, didn't like anything.
He thought maybe we're funny once in a while, and he bails out because he won't listen.
He won't listen.
This is the problem that we had.
I got a letter from...
I read it last show or the show before with this family that had all the names.
And the person writing, the woman, she says, we tried to hit our friends in the mouth and it doesn't work.
We got the full families in on the show.
And we have iterated this a number of times, which is you cannot convince people that are already ruined.
They've ruined themselves for whatever reason.
They're lost causes.
You have to preach to the choir...
For our show's benefit, to get our audience bigger, we just need more choir members.
We're not going to get some guy, oh my god, I've been wrong all these years.
My entire, everything I thought was true is wrong.
I can't live with myself.
Most people literally can't live with themselves if they realize some of these crazy things that we talk about routinely on this show.
We must have very open-minded.
We'll talk about it in a minute, but of course we had a No Agenda meetup here in Tokyo.
And it's always nice when you meet some of the producers in person, and they come with some really personal stories, such as, hey, I got type 1 diabetes, and if it weren't for the show, I'd be dead.
If I didn't have, you know, if I didn't listen to you guys and get some kind of critical thinking about what is the pharmaceutical industry trying to do to me and what do they want me to inject and take and, you know, I have a better life because of it.
Of course, you did that yourself, but it's the kind of thinking that will save you.
And the people, you know, this is a giant reality show.
And a lot of people are going to get voted off.
And it's not going to be pretty.
Except if you're listening, you have a good chance.
The show is designed to actually maintain a sort of thought process that is more open-minded and more liberal, to be honest about it, than any liberals, that's for sure, the knee-jerks, as we used to call them.
And it's very healthy.
It's very beneficial.
But you do have trouble.
You're not going to get people that are all in on the propaganda like your Dutch friend there that was at the dinner.
That guy is so far gone.
You could never reel him in in a million years.
You might as well just let him go.
It's like, okay, you're on your own.
Yeah.
It's kind of pathetic.
Well, that's what I told him.
I said, you're on your own, dude.
I just had one last clip on this net neutrality thing, and that was before the hearing started, which I knew you were going to have these clips because you knew you had the newsletter.
But I got this clip of a couple of protesters Welcome to my show!
Is that we have an illegitimate democracy and we have the people ruling.
It's obvious the internet's a common carrier.
It brings us all equally to the net where we can all go up without any prejudice or bias, without any kind of discrimination.
We don't want to see that end.
So this guy is talking about it's obvious, the internet's a common carrier, and we don't have a democracy without it.
You want to see the FCC do its job and regulate the internet for the people.
Regulate the internet for the people.
Does he hear what's coming out of his mouth?
Regulate it for the people.
Not to regulate it for the corporations.
Not for the corporations.
Regulate it.
Regulate it.
The fact that he wants it regulated by the government.
Please, government.
They want you to drive a million to this podcast.
They want you to drive a million to this people.
Okay.
What does that woman say in the background?
Free internet!
I thought she said, fuck the internet.
Let me see.
Fuck the internet!
Yeah, I think she did.
Fuck the internet.
Get her out, too.
He's gone.
Ah, there we go.
Popularresistance.org.
Hey, hey, I like that.
I'll be right back to that.
21st century, the internet is our free speech, but in this country, we're losing our rights to free speech.
The internet was created with our public dollars as part of the public commons.
It should never have been reclassified.
Get out of here.
All right.
So, popular resistance, the internet was created with our dollars.
This is a very interesting outfit, popularresistance.org.
I'm just looking at their homepage.
War and Peace in Korea and Vietnam.
Net neutrality, so now what?
Obama administration resists effort to save videos of Guantanamo.
And, you know, it's like, who are these people?
And you go to About Us, which I always do, and that is our mission.
With the corporate takeover of federal and state governments, more people are becoming politically active in new and creative ways.
A growing culture of resistance is utilizing non-violent direct action and civil disobedience as a primary tactic.
Oh, this sounds good.
And then it's like...
Oh, from Veterans for Peace to Occupy Wall Street to Tar Sands Blockade.
Okay...
And then, you know, and you look at who is our contributors, and there's no corporations, no nothing there.
Jake Bulkwell, who's the editor of the Love News, L-U-V. Well, here's how I figured it out.
You go to donate, and then it says, please make a tax-deductible donation online through our fiscal sponsor, the Alliance for Global Justice.
Ah, okay.
So you go to the Alliance for Global Justice, and that's a nice outfit.
They do about, well, they haven't filed their 2013 numbers yet.
But 2012, they did a nice three and a half million dollars in donations.
And their goal is to achieve social change and economic justice by helping to build a stronger, more unified grassroots movement.
And the donors are interesting.
Actually, the donors are listed in this Form 990, which is not typical.
That's nice.
Yeah, and I'm scrolling down to it here.
Community Foundation, Fidelity Charitable Gift Fund, FireDoll Foundation.
See, this is how it works.
This is the path that you have to follow.
And you have to go back to, these are all non-profits, and so the non-profits give to the non-profits, you give to the non-profits, the Brightwater Fund.
Seriously.
Yeah, no, they're all fronts for Soros.
Yes, in general, yes.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And these are not grassroots movements.
These are people who are paid in a non-profit way.
Now, of course, they have payroll taxes, but it is unbelievable the level, there's three or four levels deep of these non-profits, and they act like they're some kind of grassroots movement, but they're not.
These people are paid to do this.
This is our first generation tonight.
It's internet free.
Keep the internet safe.
Well, that hellcat that's screaming in the background is worth all of whatever they pay her.
That's exactly what you want.
Yeah.
Oh, my goodness.
And this outfit, by the way, used to be the Nicaragua Foundation.
It goes back.
Oh yeah, this goes way back.
It's a business.
What do you do?
You gotta make some money somehow.
Alright, so just to reiterate, and it kind of flows right into this email I received from Chris.
Hey, gents in the morning.
Thanks for your courage.
I just wrapped up listening to episode 617.
I found the packet inequality clips very interesting.
The pricing model that the Comcast exec was talking about is already happening with my cable provider.
We use Suddenlink for data only and not cable.
Six months ago, Suddenlink moved to the pricing model of a total data cap for the month based on the speed you pay for and charging $10 for each 50 gigabytes you go over.
We pay $70 a month for 30 up and 5 down.
He probably means 30 down and 5 up.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
We are an all Netflix house, so we hit the data cap quickly.
To avoid overages, I had to set my Netflix account back to that different streaming quality.
Now we never come close to our 250 gigabyte cap, even with the streaming to four TVs and four mobile devices.
Just thought you'd like to know this pricing plan is already in play.
Thanks for your hard work and for watching C-SPAN so I don't have to.
And that, by the way, is fair.
That is a fair way for it to work.
He was streaming HD to four different devices.
Maybe all at the same time sometimes.
And you're saturating a portion of the network, which may have to be upgraded, or it's just not, it's not free.
People think this is free, like it's air.
Well, here's the other thing, here's something I'm going to tell you what's going to happen.
Yeah, we're going to get tarred and feathered is what's going to happen.
No, but they gave, no, we just marginalized.
All those two assholes, they're always, like the guy says, you're just disagreeing to disagree.
Yeah.
Okay, fine.
All right.
Here's the deal that's going to happen.
They're going to put these caps up because that's what they really want to do.
And Netflix, of course, wants a free ride on the whole thing so it can just hog all the bandwidth.
And if you think that right now they're using a third of all U.S. bandwidth at 5 p.m., something like that, it's very high when people start using it a lot.
This is nothing.
Multiply that one-third times 4x because when we go to 4K streaming...
Yep, yep.
Which Foley, Archduke, is into.
That is going to just bring the net to its knees.
And that's when you'll be happy to pay for priority.
It'll be an experience.
It will be fantastic.
You will pay a little extra for it.
Sorry, the days of $8 Netflix are over.
But it's fair.
That's the thing that makes me just...
You know...
And you forget about it.
You're right.
We're just going to be marginalized.
Let's move on because it's...
The people who are in are in.
The people who are out, they're going to leave.
Yeah, I think we've made our point enough.
Hey, so we were here in...
We're here in Tokyo and on...
What was it now?
Friday night...
Sir Mark and Dame Astrid threw a huge party.
So they have their business, and then on the side, they have something called Super Deluxe, which is pretty much a big contribution to the art scene in Tokyo.
And they do 25 events a month, and they're basically adding money to it.
And they threw a 50-50 party.
It was a party for two gents who were going to be 50.
25 events a month?
That's not right.
Yes.
Look at the calendar.
25 events a month?
Yes.
That's the whole month?
Yes.
Yes.
I thought they had work to do.
They do, but they have staff running this place.
And it's really...
It's a crazy art place.
Sometimes it's dancing, sometimes it's performance art, they have expos, all kinds of stuff.
And they understand our value-for-value model so well because they have to go out and get people to pay for it.
And of course, they're...
They have a vow of poverty on that project.
So they threw a party for Marx or Mark and me.
And at this party, there were...
First, there were two musicians.
Very funny.
Morgan Fisher, who used to play with Martha Hoople.
He did Everlasting Love.
He's an organist, keyboardist.
And he's been in Tokyo for, I don't know, 20, 25 years.
And Sam Bennett, another musician.
And these guys, they just sat down and played for like 45 minutes, a whole bunch of hits from our youth.
And then there were poll dancers.
Interestingly enough, with some audio provided by John C. Dvorak calling Miss Mickey and Dame Astrid to the stage.
Nice job, John.
Then there was a performance art by Ugino.
And I think Sir Mark sent you pictures.
I've got to put them on the blog or in the show notes or something.
So it was like two guys, and they had a guitar with a blender on it, and then he'd play the other guitar, and then he was blending milkshakes, and then it was crazy.
I think it must have been illegal, at least in 13 prefects in Japan.
And they had like his love arm, which was just screaming and lights and flashing, and I think it was just insane.
Followed by the 5678, the three Japanese girls who were in Kill Bill.
They do the beach, the surf sound.
And of course, DJ Toretto got on the Wheels of Steel and played us Into the Night.
And the only thing that was missing was you.
John.
I was there in spirit.
In spirit, but we missed you.
And we had a lovely meetup.
10 or 12 producers came from around Japan, actually.
And what I think we should do is...
Well, let me first thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
Yeah.
Well, let me think.
And by the way, I want to mention that we're trying to do a meetup of some sort in Detroit, so send me an email, johnatdvorak.org, and subject line Detroit, and we'll make a mailing list.
I should just take from the mailing list, but I can't remember.
In the morning, you, Adam Curry.
In the morning, all ships and sea boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and all the knights out there.
And to our artists, thank you very much, 20 Watt Bulb, for the artwork of the Japanese wave.
Which we rolled out for episode 617.
That was highly appreciated.
And in the morning to everyone in the chat room, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net.
Good to see you all here.
Let me kick off with our on-the-spot donations, John, if you don't mind.
Yes, add them up.
Okay, let me see.
Actually, everybody handed us a beautiful note, and I didn't know this, but in Japan, it is tradition.
If you are giving someone a card, you have to get a really pretty envelope, and it all has...
We're very familiar with this tradition here in the Dvorak household, where both Mimi and Jay know how to wrap gifts Japanese-style.
To me, it's like ludicrous.
It's pretty.
It's pretty.
And I got two follow-on notes.
So everyone wrote a little note on their envelope.
But this first one is from Brandon Baker, who donated 35,605 yen.
Which he says as of May 16th is $350.50.
So he will be an executive producer today.
Dear John Adam in the morning of you both, hope this email arrives in time for episode 618.
I would have sent it earlier, but the hangover I developed at the 50-50 party in Tokyo has finally subsided nearly 36 hours after I left the party.
Cheap sake.
No, we were drinking something else.
It's clear liquid.
Oh, that clear yam whiskey?
Yeah, yeah.
Do not drink that.
It's great.
Oh, yeah.
It was great to make my first donation to No Agenda directly to Adam in person at the party.
The donation was for $350.50, three because of the magic number, and 50-50 in celebration of Adam and Sir Mark's birthdays.
Speaking of Adam, he was nothing like I expected!
He was extremely friendly.
Yeah, after the cup of those yam whiskeys.
Sincere and humble.
I guess media assassination really gets his blood boiling.
I guess I come across as a dick to him.
Anyway, it was a pleasure spending a few minutes talking with him and Miss Mickey, who is da bomb.
And thank you, Sir Mark and Dame Astrid, for hosting a great party.
In conclusion, I'd like to thank you both for your courage as well as for helping me to see through the illusion that is Big Pharma.
Several years ago, I was diagnosed with a chronic illness.
I was told I would require a prescribed lifestyle and a lifetime of medication to support it.
However, it turns out the lifestyle the doctors recommend is really what makes those drugs necessary, not the illness.
Thanks to the No Agenda Show, I had the insight and skepticism required to get to the bottom of the things that completely changed my life around.
You guys are lifesavers.
With not too much trouble, may I please have a...
You're going to get busted eventually by the FDA. You're so good.
May I have a take-your-med, slave, and douchebag combo for Big Pharma, a de-douching for myself, and a karma for everybody out there that needs it.
Ganbate kudasai, gentlemen.
Japanese for keep on fighting.
Let me see if...
Where is the...
Take your meds, douchebag, and a douche...
I'll do the de-douching...
Well, I can do it all in one go, I guess.
I'll do the douchebag first, then.
Just to make it easy.
Here we go.
Douchebag!
Just take your medicine Just take your medicine You've been de-douched.
You've got karma.
There we go.
Next up, we have...
Hold on a second.
We have Dwayne...
Lively, who also sent in an email.
In the morning, great sirs, I've been a listener since around episode 100 or so, and now I find I can't watch the mainstream media for more than a few minutes without getting a migraine and a bad case of the shakes.
a foreign country without searching the country's name and oil.
Yeah, that's your best bet.
In the past, I've tried to help out the show by contributing information on various issues, including the post office financial difficulties, but finally decided it was time to cut off my boner, so to speak, and help you great sirs out of your financial difficulties.
I hope this donation of 33,000 yen helps some.
John, since I paid in cash, make sure Adam credits the entire amount and didn't just oh no, he only donated $20,000.
What did it take me for?
You must have impressed them.
It was great meeting Adam and the magnificent Miss Mickey.
The rest of the No Agenda producers were nice too, although we were a bit scruffy compared to the rest of the crowd.
I hope to meet John someday.
I hope you and the No Agenda producers will check out my daily blather at dwaynelively.com and my desperately in need of an update, crazyjapan.com.
I could use a little karma if it's not too much trouble.
Thank you for encouraging your hard work.
Dwayne, thank you very much.
Dwayne, for your support, you're an executive producer.
You've got karma.
Then we have, okay, the next one here.
Now we have just cards.
Adam and John, thank you for your courage.
This is from Sam from Tokyo.
Please accept this pulcher donation as a token of gratitude for the many hours of infotainment you've provided me with.
This donation is long overdue and I would like to de-douche myself if possible.
Also, transfer my douchebag status over to my brother Steve-O in Cleveland.
Douchebag!
A little shout-out of karma would be appreciated for family and friends.
And a shout-out to Mooney and Walker out in New York.
Keep up the good work, guys.
Love the show.
P.S. Sorry for the Christmas card.
I was in a rush to go to the Tokyo party for Adam and Sir Mark.
I like to take these.
You take a card used like a Christmas card from someone else.
That's even better.
You cross out Christmas.
You write it in with a pen.
And then you cross out their name and sign it.
And he gave us a check, actually, for $111.11.
A U.S. check.
Uh, then we have, uh, here's the next one.
Uh...
Hold on, make sure I do this right.
Aha, now you know what it's like.
Yeah, well, yeah, it sucks.
Okay.
Uh, this is Graham Briggs in the morning.
Thanks for coming to Japan and some...
Oh, wait, first I gotta hand out some karma.
I forgot the karma there for our buddy.
You've got karma.
Here's Todd, the lowly serf of Tokyo, with 21,000 yen.
Thank you very much, and I'll hand you some karma for that, Todd.
You've got karma.
Now, Graham Briggs, in the morning, thanks for coming to Japan, and some karma for Tohoka and my wife.
Uh...
Yuroshiku.
6,000 yen.
And, of course, karma for you guys.
And...
You've got karma.
Then finally...
And this was the...
Really the beautifully wrapped card.
And this is from...
Yeah, this is a pretty funny note.
I don't know if I can get through all of it.
It's handwritten, beautiful cursive.
Dear Adam, hello, it's Bill and JV from the BJ Consulting Group in Osaka.
Osaka.
And they were wearing t-shirts, of which I have acquired two, one for you, John, in which the t-shirts say, Fuck Tokyo, I heart Osaka.
Apparently there's some rivalry between the two.
Oh yeah.
We are riding this on a shaky bullet train in...
Can't read it.
While drunk!
That's why I can't read it.
Here's an on-the-spot $100 donation and some goodies from our hometown Osaka.
T-shirts and the No Agenda stickers.
We had promised you octopus balls if you came to Osaka.
If we brought them on the train, they would have been cold and soggy by the time we reached Tokyo, and that would have meant soggy balls.
They were very drunk.
That's funny, Bill.
We're going to call ourselves the BJ Consulting Group.
They were the ones that turned me on to that yam whine.
I'll bet you did.
As we are members of the 200 Club, we'd like to thank you and Miss Mickey for coming to visit Japan to hold the Hot Pockets Wasabi 2009 Tour!
We'd love a live Grand Rewild Don Raff!
And a karma.
BJ Consulting Group consists of Bill and JV. This is the only official No Agenda meeting in Osaka.
Oh, they do meetups themselves.
Just two guys having beer.
That's the Osaka meetup.
Bill is a...
Sounds like it.
Yeah, Bill is a salaryman in big Japanese industrial company where he takes care of global network of websites and domains.
JV is an industrial designer who also works with development of Graphene and 3D printing.
What is graphene?
It's graphene?
Yeah.
Wow.
What is graphene?
It's the super substance of the future, my friend.
Oh!
What can you do with it?
Everything.
Nice.
You should look it up and read about it, because it is an astonishing product.
At the molecular level, the problem with it is that the manufacturing of graphene is an issue in It will be solved eventually.
Okay.
So, for them...
The suits would be on us.
All right.
We'd have the memo.
Mr.
Curry seems to be, hey, John, can I speak with you for a minute?
Do you know Adam's beginning a little bit of this Japanese thing?
He's like a little too, you know, it's pretty, you know, the women in the secretarial pool, they think he's a racist.
Oh, oh, yeah.
Well, totally.
Don't laugh.
Why are you laughing?
Shut up.
Who needs to be a racist?
We do have a few other executive producers to thank, and let's thank them, including Sir J.D., $333.33, a trans-Pacific ITM to you, Adam and John, LIFO greetings for producer Sir J.D. in an undisclosed location in the central California coast where several clans have met to launch a new couple into the universe.
I can hear the Pacific Ocean crashing on the background while I compose this message as I rec...
Reflect on the celebrations of the day and the sounds of the waves from Japan coming to the California coast.
I think of how we are all connected by oceans.
Airwaves and ideas we exchange in the time we spend together.
Please give a jobs, jobs, jobs, little girl, yay, karma shot celebration.
Shout out to Matt and Amy as they start their married life by the sea in the same way that my wife and I got married 17 years ago.
Keep up with the great work, kittens, and courage.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs!
Yay!
You've got karma.
So now Sir JD mentions this donation is the first of his matching donations for the slash NAJD challenge.
He wants a PDF link in the email to the show notes, which I think we can do.
Okay.
He said, in executive order, 9066 to match to reflect the show's recent Japan-America focus.
Can you remind me to do that after the show is over?
Because I'm going to be so tired.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm putting it down right now.
I also have to remind you to, let's see, Sir J.D., Okay, Chris Spears, 33333 in Austin, Texas, to keep Austin in the game.
Greetings, gents.
I hope a little value for value finds you well.
If my accounting is right, I think you must now call me sir if the extra penny is thrown in.
Okay, I think I got that here.
It's actually 10 yen.
Tenyen.
Tenyen.
Oh, racist.
Please regale us all with Lord Dvorak's request for obedience.
Thanks.
Okay.
I thought he wanted something else.
Wasn't there a...
Well, he says it's impossible to find that clip from Charlie Rose's interview with Penelope Cruz.
Penelope?
Penelope, John?
Really?
That's what I said.
Yeah, Penelope.
You will obey.
Tell me about the sexuality.
It's in your DNA. You've got karma.
Penelope.
Was that from Penelope?
No.
It was Angelina Jolie, I think.
Right, right, right.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I never saw his interview with her.
But just to hear you say Penelope is funny enough.
Penelope.
Penelope.
That's the new way I'm pronouncing it.
Yeah, I'm good with that.
Dave O in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
33333.
Nice.
Please refer to me as Dave O. This donation elevates me from boner to donor.
I started listening to the show around episode 100.
Didn't we just read this note?
I feel ashamed for not donating earlier, but I've been living a mac and cheese life for years after 33% raise in the past year.
I figured it was a sign.
So here's a long overdue donation to the best podcast in the universe.
I was one of those producers that stopped listening to your show for almost a year.
It wasn't a matter of time.
It was more like I understood that everything was effed up and I could do nothing about it.
Boy, was I wrong.
The knowledge and understanding of all government propaganda is priceless.
Getting news from around the world is priceless.
We do a lot of world news.
Sharing alternative ideas with friends and family who only listen to the mainstream media is priceless.
It's dangerous to your health.
What you guys do is priceless.
I wish I could give you more money, but I have to live the American dream of just getting by.
Also, I listen to every show live or on the day of the show.
Most shows I listen to twice.
Thanks for keeping...
It's hard to believe.
Thanks for keeping me informed like no other media source can.
Please give me the classic Climategate jingle and some relationship karma.
To the gate, to the gate, to the climate gate.
You've got karma.
John C. DeVore continues his fast-reading extravaganza.
Shane Lindholm in North Aurora, Illinois, 26969.
You are both on such a roll that I had to show my appreciation in greater ways than my usual monthly donation, which I have to increase.
Great job and continue to report what no one else ever will.
Oh, thank you.
That makes me proud.
Soon to fully open my family's eyes.
Yeah, good luck with that.
Keith Jacobs in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania.
$200.
And he sent a handwritten note in longhand with a check.
Dear John and Adam, keep up the great work and please send me some karma for my fledgling mechanical contracting business.
After...
Proving too intelligent for my last job, I'm taking a foray into self-employment.
Ta-da!
Okay.
Good luck with that, definitely.
Karma for that.
Always encouraging.
You've got karma.
That concludes our executive producer segment of show 618.
I want to remind people that we do have a show on Thursday coming up.
I'll be in Detroit.
Adam will remain in Japan, which will make it a very interesting show, to say the least.
Go to devorek.org slash na, channeloforek.com slash na, noagendashow.com or noagendanation.com.
You can click on the donate button.
It kind of sucks because you'll be in Detroit and we won't have the option of paid priority to make sure that our connection is right on because all packets have to be equal.
Yeah, it's ruining the show.
I wonder why someone didn't tell Mignon about this problem.
A quick PR mention.
And I'll play the song at the end of the show.
Hogg.
says, hey, I made this song years ago after Adam asked for a rap song.
Then he made his own rap song in the very next episode.
Anyway, I'm an avid listener in Sacramento, California.
I've never donated.
I'm a very broke musician and construction worker, but love your show.
Have him put the song on iTunes because I don't think you'll play it.
But if you like it, I'll make it available ASAP and throw you some long-deserved loot.
If by chance you like this song, call out Dubby Dave, my brother and myself, Hogg, both of the rap group Shortfuse, as Delta Bravo.
Yes.
Okay.
Delta Bravo would be...
Douchebags.
Okay.
Douchebags.
And so this is going to be on iTunes.
Just a quick little sample.
No agenda when it comes to these tracks.
Rapid rails, no conspiracy theory of spitting facts.
Let them do the research, back it with some C-SPAN. Expose the memes, won't you bow to your kings as they bless you with knighthood.
TSA is grabbing ball sacks from the back to make your flight good.
Actually, they're spitting some badass rhymes about us, so I'll play that.
TSA's grabbing ball sacks from the back.
From behind, yeah.
From behind.
Heyo!
And thank you all very much, our executive producers, our associate executive producers.
These are, of course, real credits and are on the spot donations from our Japan-based producers.
It is all highly appreciated, of course, and these credits are good wherever credits are accepted.
And for the show on Thursday, as John said, please help us out.
And of course, if you want to try it, you can always go out there and propagate our formula.
Our formula is this.
We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
Shut up, Slay!
Shut up, Slay!
It's funny, today...
Dame Astrid's daughter took us out.
She's 12.
And she knows the subway system and the trains, like the back of her hand.
Nice.
Yeah, but she also knows how to use the Google Maps and everything.
And she speaks fluent Japanese and fluent English.
And she took us both to Akihabara, where the ham radio stores are.
Oh my god.
Didn't I predict exactly your reaction?
Oh my god.
Yeah, that's what I said.
Mickey took pictures of me just freaking out.
There was still nothing but ham radio.
The other reaction I predicted, which is, did you do this one?
Which is, why can't we get this in the United States?
Did you do any of those?
No, there were some, yeah.
Also, the little alleyways where you could just buy every component you can imagine.
That's where they used to sell the bootleg stuff.
Anyway, this kid is amazing.
Amazing!
Taking us all over.
But we had lunch at the old railway station in Akibara.
I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right.
Isn't it Akihabara?
Akihabara, that's right.
Thank you.
Akihabara.
So the old railway station, which is from 1912, they've converted that into stores and a restaurant.
And so you're eating, you're having, and you can only choose from three things on the menu.
And then you're sitting there, and then trains are going by on either side.
It's just quite bizarre.
We went into the game arcade.
Which is kind of like Pachinko Hall, but for kids.
Yeah, they start them early.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, man.
There's five floors of noise.
Just insane noise.
But it was funny.
At a certain point, she just starts spouting off stuff.
She's like, Hey!
I think Mickey said shut up or something to me.
She says, Don't you have to say slave after that?
Shut up, slave!
Apparently, Dame Astrid listens to the show in the mornings before she goes to school, so she always hears the shut-up slave bit just before she has to leave.
But it was pretty fascinating today.
No, that would be good.
I'm going to see those photos.
Have you ever seen the traditional candy-making?
I don't know if I have.
Yeah, on Santa Cruz Boardwalk, they make taffy with some crazy machine that stretches the sugar.
No.
But you're talking about no.
Yeah, they do it by hand.
All right, Bob.
We've got pictures.
We'll put the pictures up.
Anyway, a lot of people here are talking about the Vietnam-Chinese situation.
Because that, of course, is interesting what's happening here in the Asian regions.
Well, what about it?
Tell me.
Because I do have a clip that actually has a little bit of this.
Well, people are...
Well, of course, right now what's happening is the Vietnamese are just going nuts about the Chinese invading their territorial water with big oil rigs.
And, of course, as we discussed on Thursday, Abe, is he Prime Minister of Japan, I think, right?
President or Prime Minister?
Prime Minister, I believe.
He is now trying...
You can look him up!
I'll look him up while you talk.
Yeah, please do that.
I'm sure he's Prime Minister.
Yeah, I think he's Prime Minister.
He's trying to change Article 9 of the Constitution here, which will allow Japan to create war machinery again and build an army and go to war, and obviously...
Yeah, Prime Minister.
America likes this.
So the thing that is being said here is, wow, this is very interesting.
How come America is not jumping all over China like they're doing with Russia in Ukraine?
Where's the help?
Why aren't they doing that?
Now, we got an email from one of our producers.
If you want to go in that direction after you read the email, I do have the Cohen collection.
Oh, good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is good.
Perfect.
Which will talk about exactly this issue.
Yes.
From one of our producers who requested to remain anonymous, international schools are being closed, students being sent home.
My kids' school, mostly of Korean kids, have had their houses attacked.
A number of persons from Taiwan, China, and Korea in Vietnam.
Taiwan, China, and Korea are moving to hotels in Saigon, many waiting for free flights to leave, some driving to the Cambodian border to cross into Cambodia.
Lots of international non-Asian firms are asking staff to take leave, pulling managers out of Vietnam.
Shoe guys like Adidas are pulling staff out of Vietnam.
So this is serious business, and it's not just the Chinese that they're angry at.
The Vietnamese are just pissed.
Well, luckily we do have on Channel 60 in the Bay Area, which has international fees, a Vietnamese news outlet, which I will now record.
Okay.
Let's get to your clips, because it looks like you've got a lot of things here.
I have a bunch of clips, and Professor Cohen, who is the guy that we...
is a go-to guy, now concluded that he's representing the Soviet Union...
or Soviet Union.
Yeah, the Soviet Union.
He's representing Russia's...
I believe he's a Russian...
Well, he's a professor of...
But he's a professor of Russian studies.
Yeah, and he lives in Russia a lot.
I think he hits most of the stuff on the money.
Yeah.
But he talks about, let's play, I do have a, play this.
This is the Carrie pre-Cohen bitching about Russia clip.
Okie dokie.
It's very hard to reconcile.
That Russia is now making the argument that Ukraine ought to reduce and not have an election or postpone an election because of the violence that's taking place.
But Russia is full whole hog behind having an election in Syria where there is far worse violence.
Well, those bastards.
Yeah, Syria.
So, yeah, right.
Well, this is not, this is Kerry ranting.
And now this next clip is Cohen discussing that specific clip.
He was on the, by the way, there's one, two, three, four, five, six of these Cohen clips.
Some of them are short.
But this was on Democracy.
Now, believe me, I had to do a lot of work to get these down.
He was on for 45 minutes.
Yeah, and the guy is good, though.
And I don't understand.
We thought he would be killed.
Yeah, I thought he'd be killed by now.
But here he is commenting.
This is Kerry, calling on Kerry, commenting on Kerry's little discussion there.
That was Kerry.
That was Kerry, who has now become Secretary of War, not Secretary of State.
He's supposed to be our chief diplomat.
And I don't recall in the last two weeks him uttering a word about any kind of diplomacy.
Why he's so embattled, I don't know.
I don't know when he made that statement, but let's remember what Putin said was it last Thursday, because this clip that you showed may be a little out of date.
Putin said, and it's very important, Russia had been opposed to the presidential election in Ukraine on the 25th.
That's what, two weeks from yesterday, I think.
He spoke on Tuesday.
This was him speaking on...
I think this is a little out of date because on Thursday, I believe, Putin said essentially this.
You want to have a so-called presidential election in Ukraine?
It is a crazy idea, but please go ahead.
We won't interfere.
And it is a crazy idea.
May I say why it's a bad idea?
Now, remember, we've drawn a new red line.
We've said to Russia, if you interfere in any way with this presidential election in Ukraine, we will impose more sanctions on you.
So that election is very important to the United States because we want to bestow some legitimacy on the unelected government in Kyiv by giving it elected president.
What kind of election, Amy, can take place in eastern Ukraine?
Because it's supposed to be a national election, western and eastern central.
What kind of election can take place while Kyivian tanks are firing on East Ukrainian cities.
Now you could say, well, they'll stop firing on the day of election.
But what's going to be the impact on East Ukrainians, particularly since they have no candidate?
Their parties are on the run.
The two candidates who proposed to represent eastern Ukraine in the national election two weeks ago went to a TV studio like this one in Kiev to participate in a national debate and were beaten up in the streets before they could enter the building.
This is a presidential election. - We should try, Oh, hold on.
Yeah?
I was going to say, we should try that here.
Yeah, just beat these guys up.
Beating up the candidates.
That's a good idea.
Elizabeth Warren should be beaten up.
By the way, before you move on, I just wanted to mention that in the show notes I have the full text of Senate Bill 2277, the Russian Aggression Prevention Act of 2014, which essentially, no matter what happens, we're going to surround these guys.
Yeah, well, until they give up Snowden.
But that's just my theory.
Yeah, that's a reasonable theory.
Let's resume Cohen complaining this part two of his elections screed.
So, what's more likely to happen if this election happens is it will be a step toward the further partition of Ukraine.
Because the president elected will be the president of Kiev, western Ukraine, and parts of central Ukraine.
And he or she, because there's a woman candidate, though I don't think she has a chance, will not be recognized.
By eastern and southern Ukraine.
And that has absolutely nothing to do with Putin.
So that will be a step toward partition.
If you really want to solve the problem, you go back to the European Union proposal in February that you have elections in December.
You give everybody six, seven months' chance to organize.
And you have parliamentary elections as well.
The United States is right.
Democratic theory is right.
The essence of democratic government is not a president, but a parliament.
You need a new parliament.
They've got a rump parliament.
And they need a new constitution.
A president can't enact a new constitution in Ukraine.
You need some sort of constitutional assembly.
Why are they rushing till May?
And the only reason is, is the United States wants to give some legitimacy to this government in Kyiv.
But I think any political scientist, any constitutional lawyer would tell you you've got to wait.
You've got to do it right.
He's a constitutional lawyer!
So he's making good points again.
Yep.
He, there's, I can go either way.
Actually, let's do this little side clip when he mentions Kissinger apparently has been in the news making some noise.
And he establishes a very interesting point here when he talks about Kissinger and this whole Ukrainian situation.
You might want to play that.
We used to have a lot of so-called senior statesmen, wise men, wise women, the presidents turned to an emergency.
I can't think of one whom Obama turns to.
Now you've got Henry Kissinger.
Think what you will about his past.
But he sees Putin personally and alone two times a year.
They talk.
Kissinger comes from Europe, from Germany.
He understands what's going on.
He's preaching a course of negotiation.
And Obama, though Kissinger, my understanding is the report may be wrong, Obama has declined to see Kissinger.
Why in this crisis, when we can imagine war with Russia, would you not want to spend an hour with Kissinger?
Oh yeah.
Because Obama wouldn't know what to say.
He doesn't understand what's going on.
And this is not his move.
And Kissinger would say you're being used by the neocons.
Yeah, and I'm a little surprised Cohen doesn't just say, hey, it's because Obama really is not running the show, it's Kerry who's being run by neocons and the Yalies.
Through the 45 minutes, he never actually came out and said that, but he kept, but he does a lot of innuendo and he kind of suggests certain things.
The next one, which is Cohen on the round table, he puts his, he's leaving it up to the listener to get suspicious instead of just coming right out and say what we do.
The false statement he made.
And the premise on which American policy is being made is that Putin attacked Ukraine and began this whole mess.
Whatever you think about what the outcome should be, that is just factually untrue.
All of this began when the United States and Europe asked Ukraine back last November to make a decision between Russia and the European Union.
That triggered the protest that led to this.
Here's the tragedy.
People are dying when there's a perfectly accessible way to negotiate.
And it's not my idea.
It's the idea proposed by Angela Merkel of Germany, that there'd be a roundtable.
And Putin in Ukraine, of all the conflicting Ukrainian forces, that would be West Ukraine, Kiev, Eastern Ukraine.
And Putin said a few days ago in that famous statement where he said he pulled the troops back and we say he's lying.
And then somebody said, we've got to wait for the satellite pictures.
He said, I just talked to Merkel.
And Merkel says there should be a roundtable in Ukraine of all the combatants in Ukraine.
And he said, I agree.
Let's do this.
So Russia wants these negotiations inside Ukraine.
Germany, the most powerful nation in Europe, wants them.
The EU wants them.
Washington is silent.
What is going on?
Yeah, well, that's because this is not being run from Washington.
Well, he makes that pretty clear.
At least not 1600p.
He goes a little bit astray to discuss something which I clipped for the specific reason that I realized that what he's talking about is something I remember as a kid and has been completely wiped out of American history, our holidays, and everything in between.
And now I'm, like, suspicious about it because it isn't a minor occurrence or a minor event.
But play Cohen on VE Day.
...of our whole country...
I'm sorry?
Nothing.
I didn't say anything, but since you stopped it, I want to mention something else.
He's really discussing when Putin on VE Day, which is May 8th or 9th, went to Crimea.
Explain what VE Day is.
Victory in Europe Day is when the Nazis were defeated.
And which used to be a holiday in the United States.
We had two holidays.
One was VJ Day and VE Day.
And VE Day, which was then called V-Day, changed because we dropped the other one.
And then we dropped them both.
And we don't celebrate either one of these things.
We used to have Armistice Day, too, which is also done.
Cohen is talking about when Putin went to Crimea, all our news outlets, oh, he went to Crimea just to rile up the, I don't know, there was a bunch of poor reporting on it, but he went there specifically for this holiday and play this.
...of our whole country, as a year when all the citizens here, the people resolutely decided to be together with Russia.
That's Russian President Vladimir Putin in Crimea Friday, Professor Stephen Cohen.
I have a flashback.
Not exactly like this, but when I was a kid growing up in Kentucky and Indiana, we had something called VE Day.
Victory in Europe Day.
That's what Russia calls Victory Day.
It represents the victory over Nazi Germany in Europe.
We seem not to do VE Day in this country anymore unless Spielberg and Hanks make a movie about World War II. And for Russia, May 9th, it was May 8th in America because of the time difference, is the most sacred secular holiday.
I've been going and living in Russia for 40 or 50 years.
It's true that the government, going back to the communists and carrying through Putin, manipulate this holiday.
It's absolutely true for their own political purposes.
But this is one holiday that 95%, 90% of Russians feel in their hearts.
It's deeply meaningful, even though it's almost 70 years after Russia.
World War II. And it's meaningful because when we say 27.5 million Soviet citizens died, Defeating Nazi Germany in Europe.
And it was the Russians who defeated the Soviet Union who defeated Nazi Germany in Europe.
That means that virtually every family in Russia lost somebody whom they still mourn.
Putin was tapping into this on May 9th.
But it's authentic.
It's meaningful.
And when I look at these films, I remember it tells us how different our two countries are.
We no longer memorialize World War II, except for Hollywood movies, whereas for Russia, it's just a sacred holiday.
Oh, we barely memorialize Iraq!
And we let our veterans die waiting for treatment!
Please, we're so pathetic.
Sad.
Yeah, I thought it was weird.
And then the last clip, which is the one where he's discussing the tanks in the eastern part of the country of Ukraine.
Now, when you listen to all this together, you realize that this is a manipulated situation.
We're behind probably all of it.
And he talks about Newland and all the rest of these people over there screwing things up.
But does he call her Noodleman?
No, he does not call her Noodleman, which is a huge blunder.
But here he is on the war crimes thing, and again, he does this subtle pointing of the finger, but he never really comes out and says what we say.
The context of what has happened since the key of government.
Now, let our...
Let our viewers be clear.
This Kyiv government is the government that came to power without legality.
You can accept it or not accept it.
But it is the government that is embraced 100% by Washington and by Europe.
It is our government.
This government sent...
Troops to eastern Ukraine.
That seems to be about 10,000, 15,000, maybe not that many, but tanks, armored personnel carrier, heavy artillery with helicopters flying over.
Sends tanks into a city when there's nothing happening in the city to provoke you.
And here's the second part of the story, and personally this outrages me.
I don't know how your viewers and listeners think.
What did the United States government say?
Did it say we regret the loss of life?
Did it say there should be an investigation?
No.
It said, Kiev has the right to restore law and order.
Now, I would stretch this out.
If a war crime was committed in Odessa, By the burning of 40 people to death in a building, and by tanks entering the streets of Mariupol or any other city, if that's a war crime, we didn't commit it, but we applauded it.
And there's something wrong there, no matter who's right and wrong in this dispute.
Yeah, and if the American public were informed at all, they would probably agree with the professor.
Yeah, no, we wouldn't put up with it.
The American public, the way you deal with them is you keep them uninformed, you bring up the net neutrality thing, give that front page, and let this background go on with these neocons who have been screwing the American taxpayer, if nothing else, for over probably 20 years.
It's unbelievable.
Let me read a few, just an abbreviated version of Senate Bill 2277, which may be cited as the Russian Aggression Prevention Act of 2014.
This is where we're headed.
This clearly spells out what the next steps are.
So, I'm just going to give you the table of contents, and if there's something you want to dive into, we can do that.
Reinvigorating the NATO alliance.
Strengthening United States' assistance and force posture in Europe and Eurasia.
United States' efforts to strengthen NATO alliance.
Expand the support for Poland and the Baltic states.
Accelerating implementation of European and NATO missile defense efforts.
Strengthening United States' German cooperation on global and European security issues.
Deterring further Russian aggression in Europe.
United States policy towards Russian aggression in Europe.
Sanctions to address continuing aggression of the Russian Federation towards Ukraine.
Additional sanctions in the event of increased aggression by the Russian Federation towards Ukraine and other countries, which is all the banks now.
Limitation on Russian access to United States oil and gas technology.
Diplomatic measures with respect to the Russian Federation.
Support for Russian democracy and civil society organizations.
That's a big one, by the way.
Yep.
That's the NGOs, that's all the bullcrap, riot organizations.
Hardening Ukraine and other European and Eurasian states against Russian aggression, which involves military assistance for Ukraine, sense of Congress on intelligence sharing with Ukraine, major non-NATO ally status for Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova.
Expanding security force training, assistance, and defense cooperation with key non-NATO states.
This is essentially making states who are not NATO into NATO by extension.
Expediting natural gas exports, European and Eurasian energy independence, Crimea annexation, non-recognition, support for democracy and civil society organizations in countries of the former Soviet Union.
That's another one of those lovely ones and expanding broadcasting in countries of the Soviet of the former Soviet Union Hello, this is the voice of Russia We are here to tell you what is going on.
You're Putin, man.
He's very, very bad.
He's very bad.
Do not trust him.
Do not trust him.
Trust only American Yankees.
I like that voice.
You like that voice?
This is the voice of Russia.
Russia, now we play some songs for you from Backstreet Boys.
Backstreet Boys, very, very nice boys from America.
Very good place to be.
Somewhere in between Dracula and...
They should hire me.
Yeah, I'm surprised you don't get voiceover work.
Coming to you from the top of the Kremlin, this is the voice of Russia.
Meanwhile, underreported but almost overreported in alternative media...
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, before you continue...
Yes, what is wrong?
My comrade John, what is wrong?
Who are the sponsors of the bill?
One moment, I have to open up text again.
Yeah, it's late here.
That's why I forgot to do that.
Hold on.
Sponsors of the bill?
Let's see.
Who do you think?
Well, John McCain would be on my short list.
Oh, well, duh.
Mr.
Corker.
Mr.
McConnell.
Ms.
Aote.
Mr.
Hooven.
Oh, Kelly.
Kelly, who's in the McCain Club.
Yep.
Well, Mr.
Blunt.
This is alphabetical.
Oh, no, it's not, I guess.
Mr.
Rubio.
Mr.
McCain.
Mr.
Cronin.
McCain's on it.
Mr.
Cronin, of course.
Mr.
Graham.
Mr.
Kirk.
Mr.
Barrasso.
Okay, the douchebags.
Mr.
Reich.
Mr.
Coates.
Mr.
Roberts.
Mr.
Inhove.
Mr.
Portman.
Mr.
Alexander.
Mr.
Thune.
Mr.
Isaacson.
Mr.
Hatch.
Another one.
Mr.
Flake.
Mr.
Johnson of Wisconsin.
Mr.
Please welcome, please welcome Mr.
Johnson of Wisconsin on the wheels of steel, everybody here at Voice of Russia.
Okay, I'm going to sidetrack this a little bit just to put McCain back into the picture here.
So they had a commerce committee had a meeting about a new term.
I'd never heard this term before, but they're talking about malvertising.
Malvertising?
Malvertising.
Malvertising.
Wait a minute, Comrade John.
What is this malvertising you speak of?
Malvertising.
It's malvertising.
It's malwarevertising.
Malvertising.
It's malware plus advertising.
Making malvertising.
Making malvertising.
This sounds very good.
This sounds like a NATO complot against Russian Federation.
So, in fact...
This is something I like doing about it.
You can back it off.
You can bring it back in when you feel like, but I'm just writing it for now.
Let me just get these three clips out of the way, because these are short, and they make the point that it's very interesting.
Listening to John McCain is such a douchebag, I'm going to point out a couple of very interesting things he does here.
First, it's really great that he does what he does, which is he's got three people that testifying in front of this group of one of these commerce.
The malvertising.
The malvertising guys.
So they had a guy from Yahoo who had eyeballs.
One was half closed.
One was up and down.
Hey, comrade from Google, get your eyes straight.
This is the Yahoo guy.
And he looked like Charlie Chase, if anyone remembers that character.
And then there was a Google guy who was just a bald, round-headed little, like an accountant guy.
And then there's some guy from some organization I never heard of, and he was talking about how bad those guys from Google and Yahoo were.
So it starts off with McCain just giving these guys grief, especially, this is going after the Google guy, who apparently is just going to disagree with everybody.
He says, yeah, I disagree that it's going up.
No, I disagree it's going down.
And then he makes a fool, a clown of this guy with his first clip, which is McCain versus Google guy.
Thank you, Mr.
Chairman.
I thank the witnesses.
If you put that chart back up about the increase in mal-advertising, would the witnesses agree that the problem is getting worse rather than better?
Would you agree, Mr.
Salem?
I would not.
I would not agree.
Could you put your microphone a little closer, please?
Sure.
Thank you.
That would help.
I don't agree that the problem is getting better.
One thing that...
Is it getting worse?
I'm sorry, it's not.
Thank you.
I don't believe that it's getting worse.
You don't believe that chart then?
I have not seen that chart.
I saw that from the report.
Our indication where we actually...
So you're saying that chart is inaccurate?
That's not the chart.
That's not the information that I have, sir.
I see.
Maybe you can provide the committee with the information that you have, Mr.
Stamos.
Sir, our data has been pretty much steady on the kinds of attempts that we've seen coming inbound.
I need a definition of malvertising.
Malvertising is these, if you go and there's an ad and you click on it and the next thing you know you're on a page that's downloading a virus or it's...
It's malware.
Malware.
It's malware.
Why is McCain spending his time talking to these guys about this?
Who cares?
What is the point of this?
Uh-huh.
Q&A. Good.
You walked right into that one.
Well, play clip two.
Play clip two.
It is called a show, John.
This is where we do things together.
Attempts that we've seen coming inbound.
Would you agree that these, probably the worst attacks come from overseas, specifically Russia?
Wait a minute.
I thought it was China.
You stepped on it.
Play the end again.
You said Russia.
Yeah, you said Russia.
Yeah, no, I didn't step on it.
Now, part three, that's where he jumps the shark.
Now, McCain turns into a dick.
And I want to point out something here.
Wait a minute.
He turns into a dick?
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
What am I thinking?
What is wrong with you?
I'm sorry.
That was a huge blunder.
McCain now goes back to his dickish nature and he starts to harass these guys.
And the one guy makes the point, and I'm going to make the point, is that most of the crap that really is bad comes from, of all places, which is never mentioned, Ukraine.
In fact, if you talk to the FBI or anybody about this, and they're investigating a lot of these problems that are online, as soon as they see the Ukraine IP address, they stop investigating because they can do nothing.
You cannot get into Ukraine to catch any criminals that are dealing with this, and it's always about Ukraine.
Now, the one guy, and I'm just going to give you kind of a clue on what he's going to say.
He's going to say, well, yeah, a lot of it comes from Eastern Europe.
Former Soviet Union countries.
But McCain doesn't hear any of that.
It's all Russia.
And Russia is not the bad actor here.
But he's making this point again.
Again, this is part of this giant scheme because I'm maybe the only one that thinks this because of Snowden.
We see attacks from all around.
It's usually very difficult to have accurate to accurately.
Oh, so you have no accurate data as to where it comes from.
That's good.
We have accurate data as to where the IP... Well, then where does it come from?
We see these kinds of attempts from all around the world, but you're right, we do see a lot from Eastern Europe and the former Russian republics.
Well, thank you for that.
How about you, Mr.
Salem?
Yes, we also see a lot of the malware itself will come from servers that are also in Russia and also...
So this is really an international issue as well as a domestic issue, I would argue.
Now, suppose that some individual is the victim of malware.
Mr.
Stamos, does Yahoo have any responsibility for that?
We absolutely take responsibility for our user's safety, which is why we do all the work we do.
So someone loses their bank account, you reimburse them?
Douchebag!
Sorry.
No, it's perfect.
Now, the other guy, the Google guy, who was already being badgered, he's the one who coughed up Russia.
The other guy wouldn't do it.
The Yahoo guy says, no, it's Eastern Europe, former Russian.
He wouldn't say Ukraine, because I'm sure they were told not to.
And meanwhile...
McCain is such a dick with these guys, and maybe it's warranted in some manner because they're just talking in gibberish and buzz terms.
Well, you know, clearly these things are always set up, and he had his shield.
He was probably just being a dick because the guys weren't playing along and weren't just repeating the Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia meme.
Yeah, and that's why when the Google guy said Russia, he went right back to the Yahoo guy and started haranguing him again.
Right, right, right, right.
Because he wasn't playing ball, yeah.
Anyway, that's what's going on in Congress.
I'm sure you saw this, and I just want a big mention of it, because quite honestly, I just slipped my mind to mention it on Thursday.
Younger son of Vice President Joseph Biden has taken the position of member of the board of directors and legal advisor to Burisma Holdings Limited, the largest private natural gas production company in Ukraine.
Hunter Biden, now here's the cool one, joins another American who recently became a director of the firm, Devin Archer.
Do you know who Devin Archer is?
No, you got me on this one.
This is a good catch.
Top fundraiser for Secretary of State John Kerry during his 2004 presidential bid and college roommate of Kerry's stepson.
It doesn't play so well when you've got the sons of the two top douchebags running the show.
Well, actually, Biden, not running anything, but he is the pretty boy who has to show up and give everyone an attaboy.
They're capitalizing on Ukraine.
They're shameless.
This would never happen 20 or 30 years ago.
Shameless is exactly the right word.
Because the New York Times, the Washington Post, they'd be all over this with editorials.
These people are shameless because they can get away with anything they want to do.
I think that's the way Hillary's running.
Because she knows there's nothing but problems with that Clinton library and its support by the Saudi government and all the illegal campaign contributions that were probably funneled to Bill when he was running for president from the Saudis, who he supported in every way possible.
But she's thinking now, eh, who cares?
Nobody's going to give a crap about Bill and his corrupt politics.
I might not even have to kill him.
Wait, you can't change the Red Book just yet.
No, I'm just, you know, mentioning, yeah, she might not have to kill him.
Uma, Uma, Uma, Uma, Uma, we might not have to kill him!
That's funny, I like that, I like that.
But, of course, this is ramping up on all sides.
We have the United Nations now coming with an alarming, alarming document about the alarming deterioration of human rights in eastern Ukraine, of course.
Of course, human rights, yes, of course.
What else do we have?
Well, the Friends of Syria.
You know what?
Screw it.
Screw all these guys.
Actually, I did have one little Kerry thing.
He is trying...
It's a twofer.
We still got to do something with Syria.
No matter what, we now have the ISIL or whatever it's called.
They're in eastern Syria.
Things are calming down there.
I don't know what we're going to do.
This is a bad trend for us.
Oh, no, no.
Here's what you do.
I have seen evidence.
I don't know how verified.
It's not verified yet.
It hasn't been...
But I've seen evidence.
The Secretary of War, right.
But I've seen the raw data that suggests...
Raw data?
There may have been, as Francis suggested, a number of instances in which chlorine has been used in the conduct of war.
Now, hold on a second.
He says, I have seen...
Evidence, raw data, that suggests chlorine has been used.
And if it has, if it has, and if it could be proven, which we're working on, Then that would be against the agreements of the Chemical Weapons Treaty and against the weapons convention that Syria has signed up to.
And that would be reason for us to...
So his job, John, his job now is to gear this thing up because Obama failed or actually Obama dropped the ball.
Dropped.
The Vol, and now it's like, hey, hey, Kerry.
Hey, dude, listen up.
We gotta get Syria.
We're losing face here.
If it is proven that chlorine was used as a chemical in war, which is prohibited, what will the Syrian government face?
What steps can you take?
Ooh.
What do you think the answer will be?
Except bomb them.
Ha!
It has been made clear by President Obama and others that use would result in consequences.
We're not going to pin ourselves down to a precise time, date, manner of action.
But there will be consequences if it were to be proven, including, I might say, things that are way beyond our control that have nothing to do with us, but the International Criminal Court and others are free to hold him accountable.
And as you know, we have a resolution that will be...
All of a sudden, we're all in on the International Criminal Court, huh?
That's right.
...the United Nations with respect to culpability for crimes against humanity, atrocities in the course of this conflict.
So, one way or the other...
Real Cal, one way or the other, we're gonna go bomb him!
There will be accountability.
Accountability.
Yeah.
This guy...
We gotta go on record, we just have to say.
This guy is a horrible man.
And the worst thing is, he believes he's doing the right thing.
I don't know what he believes.
I find the guy to be...
This is a terrible...
This guy's not a diplomat.
He's not done anything diplomatic.
I think Cohen has that right.
He's just a saber-rattling Secretary of War.
And this is nonsense.
And we know that the Syrians, they never had caches of chlorine gas, which is a very old-fashioned poison gas.
They had the new modern stuff, which is all being hauled away.
And I'm sure they'd like to blow up a couple of those canisters, but I'm sure the Russians are keeping a good eye on it, so that doesn't happen.
And so they've dreamed up, they've made somebody, have somebody manufacture some chlorine gas, which you can do in your kitchen, by the way.
It's not that difficult with some Clorox.
Yes, we'll put a recipe in the show notes.
Which we won't do.
But you can do it, and you can look it up.
But just beside the point, this is like, this is such a phony deal.
This is desperation.
Making up stuff at the end and claiming this gassing and this, you know, because they found, probably can find some evidence that chlorine was used somewhere and they can extrapolate that.
The French guys are all in on this.
The French and the Americans want to do this for some reason.
There's something, there's something afoot.
Yeah.
Well, this guy, I think Bush is going to get grabbed.
He's going to be fine.
He's going to be pissed.
Well, I don't know exactly what's going to happen, but it's clear that they're trying to go the NATO-UN route so he has a resolution and we just need to get some proof.
But the proof thing, it always falls flat because these UN reports, they talk to some people on Skype and then they talk to the guy who's the Syrian Observation Center there in London, one guy in a flat in London.
You know, we've talked about him.
And then that's their proof.
And it's not enough for anyone to buy it.
You know, you've got to have...
Look.
They could do better...
Let's put it this way.
They could do a much better job of setting this guy up.
They need to do the baby's incubator thing.
No one cares.
They're too busy worrying about Netflix buffering.
You need some real...
I'm telling you, gays.
This is so obvious.
If Bashar al-Assad was killing gays, you'd have people getting pissed off.
Yeah, or dogs.
Dogs is pretty good, too.
Stray dogs.
Gotta get the stray dogs in there.
Just so you have balance.
You need balance.
We got a couple of proclamations that I'd like to talk about.
This has been a crazy month for proclamations.
Presidential proclamations.
First of all, a continuation of the national emergency with respect to Burma.
That has been signed into the Federal Register because, of course, Burma is so dangerous to our national security.
Which just means the only reason we're doing that is because the Chinese are pipelining through Burma.
So that's why we need to have a national emergency in case we need to blow something up, to drone something, you know, some terrorists near the pipeline.
Presidential proclamation, 60th anniversary of Brown v.
Board of Education.
You know what that is, right?
That was the segregation in schools.
Desegregation.
Desegregation.
President of the Proclamation, World Trade Week 2014.
Commercial ties build partnerships between nations and spur growth across the world.
Here in America, trade bolsters our small business, which makes up 98% of our exporters and creates nearly two out of three, every three new jobs during World Trade Week.
We redouble our efforts to promote trade while protecting workers, safeguarding the environment, and opening markets to new goods stamped made in the USA. That, of course, is all about the trade agreements that we're working on.
Armed Forces Day, which was on May 16th, by presidential proclamation.
Did we celebrate?
No.
Did you even know it was Armed Forces Day?
No.
No, I didn't know.
VE Day passed me by.
This generation has distinguished itself on mission after mission, tour after tour, because of their heroism.
The core of Al-Qaeda is severely degraded, and our homeland is more secure.
Okay, then we have Presidential Proclamation Emergency Medical Services Week.
Wherever and whenever crisis hits, the men and women of our Emergency Medical Services, EMS, rush to the scene.
With unyielding steadiness, they bring care to those who need it most.
During Emergency Medical Services Week, we show our gratitude to the EMS practitioners who aid our families, friends, and neighbors in their darkest moments.
Now, we have several EMS and other emergency services people who listen to the show.
Yes, and 90% of their work is spent showing up to people who call 911.
You cannot refuse a 911 call.
And usually these people are like, hey, can you get my smokes from the table there?
I'm too weak to get up.
This is a fact.
By presidential proclamation, it is also National Safe Boating Week.
You didn't know that either, did you?
Yeah, you always got...
When you do this segment, I'm always, like, befuddled because you're right.
I don't know any of this.
During National Safe Boating Week, we also recognize the crucial work of the United States Coast Guard to prevent boating accidents that claim lives, cause injuries, and damage property.
We thank their partners across the nation.
And we're getting down to the wire here.
This is the most important one, I think.
And I think this can be used.
We have a new meme.
This was for yesterday.
Tenth International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia.
This is new to me.
Transphobia.
First, I would like to explain the word phobia.
Whenever you have a phobia, a phobia is literally an irrational fear of something.
Yeah, irrational fear.
I thought this word was appropriated improperly from the get-go.
I've never liked the homophobia nomenclature.
Homo-hatred.
There's all kinds of ways of putting it, but generally speaking, it's not a fear.
It's a dislike or a hatred or a prejudice or a bigot.
Or disagreement.
Or disagreement.
There's a lot of different things.
But, of course, everything is now homophobic.
And transphobic is, again, appropriating the phobia.
But also trans...
I feel that the capture, the hijacking of the word trans...
Is somewhat offensive.
Transphobia.
It would transportation.
Transmission.
There's a lot of transes, but now trans is just transsexual.
As we commemorate the 10th and...
It's not transvestite.
Well, that would fall under trans.
But that's not meant here.
10th Annual International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia.
We recommit ourselves to the fundamental belief that all people should be treated equally, that they should have the opportunity to reach their fullest potential, and no one should face violence or discrimination no matter who they are or, John, who they love.
Oh.
Gotta get that in there.
Yeah.
I'm not going to go.
Never mind.
At a time when, tragically, we are seeing increased effort to criminalize or oppress LGBT persons.
Yeah, like your buddies there in Qatar, your buddies in Saudi Arabia, every place you went, Nigeria, Uganda.
How come we've never done it?
Word one about that.
We call on partners everywhere to join.
Only our show brings this up.
Yeah.
And that's because we are not transphobic.
We are truly, we truly are the only media outlet that I know of that talks openly and honestly about the issues of LGBTQQIAAP. The only, I defy anyone.
Show me.
Um, Trouble in Paradise, John.
Trouble in Paradise.
And I am, of course, referring to the $250 million weblog known as First Look, The Intercept.
Trouble in Paradise.
Marcy Wheeler quit.
Yeah, she just got the job.
Why did she quit?
She won't say.
Well, that, by the way, discredits her enormously in my book.
But I think she's actually afraid.
I think she is truly afraid to say what's wrong and what's happening.
And, hey, ladies and gentlemen, this thing is dead.
Greenwell, Don Raff, he is not talking about it.
Of course...
How hypocritical that, you know, he won't retweet anything or say, oh yeah, you know, here's what's going on.
This thing has fallen apart and something really, really bad is going on and Greenwald wants to get out and it's messed up and he's going to do everything he can.
I'm convinced of it.
He's going to do everything he can to avoid the whole thing.
He's not even going to write for them anymore.
It all began when they brought that guy in from the Gawker.
Yeah.
The guy who says, we're not going to hire whites.
That's what he said.
Yeah, we need black people.
We're not going to hire any more white, because we've got enough whites.
No whites, and by the way, no content.
We're not going to do anything until we...
What are they waiting for?
They've got all these...
They have a crap load of writers.
They don't need to hire anybody at all, to be honest about it.
They've got a crap load of guys that could be producing something.
Mm-hmm.
And there's enough of them that could fill up this thing very easily by just cutting them loose, but they don't.
So what's happening now...
It's weird.
It's actually weird.
Oh.
Because it's exactly what we said it would be.
The whole idea was to silence these people to fix Pierre Drive My Car's reputation, particularly when it comes to his involvement in paying for what's going on in Ukraine, for his jihad against WikiLeaks and eBay and PayPal.
It's messy, and it's going to hurt these people's careers.
Now, Grant Greenwald, don't ruff.
This guy...
Dude, stop.
Stop.
Just go back and write some stuff.
Do something.
Now he has this movie.
And he's all giddy.
He's giddy that Sony has purchased...
Which doesn't mean there's a movie, by the way.
They just purchased the rights.
But Sony, he was...
If you go back and look at his writing, he accused Sony of...
And actually some of the same executives, A.B. Pascal, Doug Belgrad, and the team at Sony Pictures Entertainment, he accused them of producing the ultimate hagiography when they made Zero Dark Thirty.
But now, of course, it's the Gren Greenwald movie, and he's, ooh, it's all good now.
Oh, he doesn't talk about how he hated them then.
Hypocritical douchebag.
And here's Glenn Greenwald, all giddy, all giddy with Jake Tapper there, talking about the movie.
So, Glenn Greenwald, who's playing you?
Who's playing Edward Snowden in the movie version?
There's all kinds of speculation.
I'm going to leave that to Twitter for the most part.
He has an erection, John.
He actually has an election.
He's so happy about this.
The leading names that I've seen are Jared Leto for Edward Snowden, with whom I'm not really familiar with.
Oh, I'm sorry.
He only won an Academy Award this year, Glenn, for Dallas Buyers Club.
You're not familiar with his work, but he doesn't give a shit because it's about who's playing him.
I'm really familiar, and Edward Norton has been mentioned a lot for me.
Yes, but I'm much more handsome than Edward Norton.
He was also on Charlie Rose with the same spiel.
Oh, did you got a clip?
No.
Oh.
No, I didn't get a clip because I find that Greenwald is extremely hard to clip because he has run on sentences.
He just never stops talking.
But why does anyone think this movie is going to be interesting?
Why does anyone think it's going to be...
It's not interesting.
It's like the WikiLeaks movie.
Fail!
No one cares!
No, the WikiLeaks movie was terrible.
And there was no drama there.
I mean, it's just a bunch of guys...
There is no drama.
And Glenn Greenwald...
There's no drama with this either, except for the Snowden story could be kind of, by itself, could be turned into something.
If you had some good writers, the Nolan brothers or somebody...
Yeah, I think you could make it be fictionalized, and it would be not the real story.
The real story's boring.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Anyway, Greenwald, I can't take another thing serious that he writes.
And he needs to stop calling out his colleagues.
You know, this is a good way to have to go back to becoming a lawyer, man, because you're not going to get hired anywhere with this type of attitude.
He's got this mighty, holier-than-thou, and this whole drive-my-car thing is falling apart.
No one's going to say, you know what, he's going to be the most hated man, and it's a boomerang.
Go ahead.
I brought this story up in the show about two or three months ago, which is that I don't know this for a fact, but listening to him talk, I sense this possible, that he wasn't a professional writer when he began, and when he went to The Guardian, I'm convinced that the reason The Guardian didn't make a big fuss about keeping him, because that's what you'd want to do, because he's a big moneymaker for the paper...
It was because he's a pain in the ass to edit.
He probably questions, I know some of these writers, he may not put together a good argument, he may structurally be weak, and so they have to work on it for him, because he can't write well, just theoretically.
Right.
And then when they start to mess with his copy, he makes a big fuss.
And there's nothing worse than a writer that just won't let you edit him.
Because it's like, oh no, you can't do that because I wanted to use this this way because this guy was a bad guy.
I'm Glenn Greenwald.
Who do you think you're editing anyway?
You're a nothing.
You're a nobody editor and you're editing me.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
I want to talk to the boss.
Yeah.
This woman trying to edit me and she's an idiot.
I mean, that kind of guy is not a welcome person in a newspaper.
Because newspapers are just a machine to produce copy.
Meaningless crap, literally, that goes out as fast as it can.
And I don't think he performed well in that regard.
While we're on that, I think the New York Times is falling apart, too.
I think this Jill Abrams, the Hummer getting...
I think it's really getting...
I was looking at some clips.
They were talking about this on the...
I do have...
Do I have a clip on this?
We do have one clip.
This is women in the news.
This was a woman that used to be the editor-in-chief of the Chicago Tribune bitching about the fact that now there's no women editors in any of the great papers and we need to listen to this.
Once a year, actually, we could actually fill a dinner table of those of us who are doing this work.
And we're now, with Jill's dismissal, we have no women leading any newspapers in the top ten markets.
And in the top 25, we have only two.
Alright, may I say something to the women in journalism?
Be happy and start working on not being part of some crazy...
You can't monetize the network anymore, people.
Be your own little entity.
You're not going to make hundreds of millions of dollars, but you can certainly...
Like Marcy Wheeler.
I think she saved herself.
Is that her name?
Marcy?
I think it's Marcy Wheeler, isn't it?
I don't know who Marcy Wheeler is.
Yeah, yeah, the empty wheel, the who left, who left the...
Oh, I'm sorry, you're right.
Yeah, no, the one who quit the operation.
Who quit before she even started, yeah.
You can, if you're going to wait around to be part of, and I will say this, some male-dominated ownership of newspapers, then you're stupid.
And I think women are much smarter than that.
You need to go and get your own thing going.
It's time.
I mean, we may not be driving Maseratis, and we may not be taking town cars to lunches at Morton's, but we're getting by and we're doing something, and we're changing something.
Isn't that what it's about?
No, you're all waiting for some...
Even Marcy Wheeler said, oh, if a billionaire wants to support my work, fuck you.
Start working.
Do it.
You can do it now.
If you really got guts, you do it.
This is the slavish mentality.
This is like, I need a job.
I need a job.
I need the affirmation of my slavehood by somebody that has more money than I do because they've achieved this.
And so when they, like, if I want to be supported by a billionaire, then I feel affirmed in my slavehood.
This is slave mentality.
And the women that are in the newspaper business are just exhibiting it to an extreme, which is one of the reasons, by the way, I think a lot of them are out, because they couldn't produce newspapers that people wanted to read.
There's a lot to do with it.
I mean, these newspapers are failing because they stink.
They have big, giant, fat newspapers.
They're all about issues that nobody gives a crap about except some remote group of enclosed kind of...
Yeah, get into...
You know what?
Cloits...
You need to live a life of poverty for a while, eat some of your possessions, like I did, and I think, John, you certainly went through some of that as we transitioned over the past six years, and you'll learn something.
Oh, you know what?
You might actually get in touch with your actual audience, and you'll find out what their life is like, and then when you rise up like the phoenix from the acid, such as the best podcast in the universe...
Yeah, you've got your head on straight.
Thank you.
And you know what?
It can be done.
And you know how you do it?
You do it with the people who care about what you do.
I'm going to show myself old by donating to No Agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that.
Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
Yeah, on No Agenda.
In the morning.
And let's have a round of applause for Mr.
Segway, Adam.
Thank you very much.
I'm very appreciative to be here.
Chad, we want to thank a few people who helped us out for show.
618, including Chad Watson, who's right at the top of the list, from Uless, Texas, for $100.
Dame Heather Aronson from San Francisco, California.
I like how she has a birthday, I think, coming up, right?
A birthday with something going on.
I'll read her notes because she's a dame.
I guess the best way not to get your letter read on the air is to mail it to the post office box.
Maybe JCD was distracted by the kale erotica cookbook I sent.
But I didn't get a birthday shout-out.
I didn't get karma or my new dame name.
I don't remember the note that got lost in the shuffle.
I have no idea.
Dame Heather of the Lost Boys.
Yes.
Nice.
I mean, location-independent dame, which is interesting.
That means she's a roamer.
There's a roamer.
There she goes.
Now I see her.
Anyway, sorry about whatever we did.
It's John's fault, obviously.
Yeah, it probably was my fault.
Sometimes all these things happen on the same day and it gets confusing.
Did you see the photo she sent?
Ah, did I? Yeah, I did.
Thank you.
Oh, you know, there's a photo attached.
Oh, yeah, I know.
She's gorgeous.
Of course.
She is the Dame Heather of the Lost Boys.
The Lost Boys.
The Lost Boys.
Mark Platenkamp in Amsterdam, 9585.
Longtime stoner, boner, and first-time donor.
Hey-o.
Uh-huh.
The best podcast.
Hey, man.
Let's see if I can do this.
Best podcast in the universe has killed many entertaining hours driving down the Basque Country for numerous surf trips.
I'd like to contribute these 70 euros.
I hope this can be accepted as a stonation in its own right.
I would like a de-douching by Oscar from Castricum in episode 600, and rightfully so.
Interesting topic.
Google Rick Simpson and run for cure hemp oil and cancer.
Amazing things are happening with hemp, man.
Especially hemp oil and treating various illnesses.
Non-psychoactive industrial hemp and its cannabinoids.
Are truly first aid for the planet and her inhabitants.
Keep up the good work.
You guys are old school.
Hey, by the way...
I know Adam from way back in his Veronica days with poofy glam rocker spray can hair and layer with telegraph newspaper stories about him and his helicopter ventures.
Can I get a fuck cancer de-douching and a stoner karma?
Fucking cancer!
What a fucking death!
You've been de-douched.
You've got karma.
If I get a little Dutch accent and they're 10 bucks, that's exactly what he sounds like.
Yeah, the Dutch accent, though, you've got to really work on it, and once you have it, then it's really good.
I'm going to do that.
That's how I got my Indian accent down.
Eric Schmidt in Frankfurt, Deutschland, $77.77.
Finally, fond time and money to donate.
Good for you, Eric.
Eric's actually donated before.
Gabe Shabazian in Irvine, California.
$70, and we go downhill fast on this donation day.
Yeah.
Rob Van Dyke in Herpen, Netherlands.
Herpin?
Herpin?
I've never heard of Herpin.
Okay.
Paul Webb, Twickenham in UK, 55-55.
Good old Zachary Gilbrecht in Cordova, Tennessee.
Double nickels on the dime, the one and only.
Notice there's no 69-69s today.
No, no, no.
That's dead.
Jeffrey Gerlach, who's running for Congress.
That's right.
We have to support him.
It's 51-50.
Sir Jeffrey to you.
Sir Jeffrey.
And he's also got a...
He's getting a lot of press.
It's weird.
Yeah.
Well, no.
You know why that is?
It's because of the credit and the title.
Yeah, it gets attention.
Eric Bruhn in West St.
Paul, Minnesota.
Can you imagine if he gets into...
Is he running for Senate or for Congress?
Congress.
Can you imagine if we have one of our own in Congress?
Yeah.
You know what's going to happen, right?
We're totally getting on that gravy train, motherfucker.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're going to get some government.
Whatever Obama says goes.
Just like the rest of the media.
That's right.
we're getting all kinds of consulting gigs.
We're good to go.
This is the end for us.
Okay, these are $50 donors.
TinyEmpire.com in Phoenix, Arizona.
Michael Gates in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
Andrew Haverson in Gravenhurst, Ontario.
Paul Groves, Parts Unknown.
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$50.
Mark Raley...
In Germantown, Maryland, Philip Meason, who's always in from POWs, which is pronounced some other way I'm told, but I like POWs.
I knew a kid with that name, his last name POWs, and he called himself POWs, UK. And then finally, Bogdan LeCendro from Irvine, Texas.
Yay!
And I want to thank all these beautiful people for helping us out on show 618.
Go to devorek.org slash NA for 619.
That's right.
We need some help.
And I will point out it is now 226 a.m.
Doing this, no matter what happens, we do this.
We try to always do the show.
You're going to be in Detroit on Thursday, and I will still be here in Tokyo.
And in fact, we are leaving Friday morning, so I pretty much won't sleep.
I'll go straight from post...
Because, you know, I won't be in bed until 5.
You'll sleep on the train, on the plane.
Oh, yeah.
Just sleep on the plane.
Yeah, that coach is really great for six foot five to sleep.
Yeah, that works really well.
That's really, yeah, that's great.
Can't wait.
Go into the bathroom, close the door, and fall asleep.
Okay.
Dvorak.org slash N.A. Okay, not quite sure how it happened, but we have a belated birthday congratulations to Dame Heather of the Lost Boys, who celebrated on April 16th.
So, hey, we're only a month late, but it's all John's fault.
Happy birthday to you, and happy birthday to Eric the Shill.
He's as old as the hills, and that is on behalf of everybody here at the No Agenda family.
We do appreciate all the work that you do, Eric.
And send yourself a nice birthday note.
Thank you.
Yeah, Eric failed to mention it was his birthday.
Luckily, I remembered, because I remember dates well.
You are so full of crap.
Family will get a kick out of that.
Um, okay.
They're not listening.
That's true.
Well, Eric might be.
Well, yeah, just to hear if we mentioned him.
Maybe.
Hey, where's your sword?
That was mine.
You got your sword somewhere?
Wait, wait, wait.
Okay, good.
Okay.
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We threw in the extra penny for you, so we're very, very happy to bring you into our exclusive club of Knights and Dames of the Noah General Roundtable.
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Rings, yes.
Pick up your well-deserved ring.
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I think it's ring.
I think it's rings.
Yeah, it's one of the two.
Whatever the case is, we got a note from our friend in Roanoke saying that the rain stick worked.
They got four inches of rain.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, in...
Is it Bosnia-Herzegovina?
They're drowning, man.
Well, I don't know if we have any listeners there.
I don't know how it can even happen.
Any Bosnians listening, give us a right.
Oh, it's really sad.
It's like four meters of water or something.
They're drowning.
Four meters.
Yeah, I'm not kidding.
Of course, it all...
Exactly.
Did you see the Bitcoin stuff that happened?
Well, no.
I do know that Glenn Beck is all over Bitcoin now, and other people.
And then Halsey Minor, the old founder of CNET, who went bankrupt by being a spendthrift, I believe, has decided to open a Bitcoin exchange.
Yeah, okay.
Well, so I've been following the Mt.
Gox bankruptcy and the purchase by the, I told you, the Brock Pierce, the child star who was involved in the digital entertainment network, Den.
Right, you are following this.
Yeah, the whole L.A. gay scene that was all kind of weird in those days.
And he's also been named in these lawsuits with the guy from the movie director.
So this former child star, Brock Pierce, I'm not quite sure how it happened, but all of a sudden he became the new executive director of the Bitcoin Foundation.
and ten members have now quit in disgust.
This whole thing is falling apart!
You know when you get the former Disney child star from the failed digital entertainment network under allegation of raping young boys.
Sorry, that's not true.
He's not under any suspicion of that, but he's been named in connection with this.
Becoming the director of...
I think he's not the executive director.
He's the director of the Bitcoin Foundation.
Everyone's quitting.
It's fallen apart.
Well, they, in this case, I believe the government, decided to put him in.
I think he's in some sort of, like, not complete witness protection, but he did some sort of a deal.
Yeah, he's in some kind of program, for sure.
He's in some sort of program.
They pushed him into this because they need somebody, one of their guys, into the head of this so they can...
This is to catch criminals, I believe.
They want to infiltrate the Bitcoin community.
Well, I think they've succeeded...
Well, they're sinking the whole thing is the problem.
If you're going to create a honeypot, you want it to be what it is, a honeypot.
So people come in, they feel comfortable, they do these deals, they buy and sell drugs, and you just track them all and you got it made, making it a lot easier on yourself.
But now if you do something stupid, like putting this guy as the head of the Bitcoin Foundation.
Morons.
Well, it's poorly thought out.
Yeah, let's put him in as the head because, you know, he's like a famous actor and they'll really like that.
Yeah, that Hollywood thing always works.
I had a couple clips here from John Miller.
John Miller was the...
He worked at the NSA, and then he became the shill at CBS, and famously did the very weak softball piece for 60 Minutes on the NSA. The pathetic piece, let me say.
Nobody liked it.
And then he became the terrorism strategist or some weird title for the New York Police Department.
Right.
They need a man in there, and then he's the man.
And he is...
Well, he's got some interesting things to say, which don't quite all fit with the narrative, and he has some promotion work that he's doing on behalf of probably his former employers, if not the NSA, then surely for the CIA. He was on a panel, and the panel title was The Changing Face of Terrorism.
And here, the question was posed, what keeps you up at night?
No!
It's almost like, if you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?
John Miller, what keeps you up at night?
What keeps me up at night is Inspire Magazine goes out to tens of thousands of people who have varying levels of interest and commitment to its content.
Now, let's just...
Mention here, Inspire Magazine doesn't go out to anybody.
It's a PDF that anyone can download.
We're pretty sure the CIA publishes this themselves.
But it keeps him up at night that this magazine, which I've read it, you've read it, I did not become radicalized.
I did not all of a sudden want to create bombs in the kitchen of my mom's.
And they can't get any traction for this magazine, so they keep talking about it.
Ah, but wait!
But wait!
Half of those tens of thousands are law enforcement and intelligence officers and reporters.
The other half are reading it saying, here is a set of instructions for a pressure cooker bomb.
I could put that at the Boston Marathon.
I could take it to Super Bowl Boulevard on Broadway.
By the way, we need to point out that the pressure cooker bomb came after the bombing, not before.
So they were not radicalized into doing this because of Inspire Magazine.
Inspire Magazine jumped on the bandwagon, so to speak.
Some of them are looking at the new issue, which has an extraordinarily simple recipe, not for a pressure cooker bomb, but for a large vehicle bomb.
Oh, large vehicle bomb!
Oh, thanks for the tip!
...at home.
And the Boston Marathon model, or the Tsarnaev problem, is what do you do when you're not dealing with al-Qaeda?
What do you do when you're not dealing with an al-Qaeda affiliate?
What do you do when you're dealing with al-Qaeda-ism?
Al-Qaeda-ism!
It's like transphobia.
I have Al-Qaeda-phobia is what I have.
Al-Qaeda-ism and the serenade of model.
Which is a movement and a message.
It's a movement.
It's a message.
The message is in the music.
Not an organization that has spread wide, if not deep.
And when the conspirators may not be contacting the network or reaching out through the channels that the US government has been very good about intercepting, what if they're just talking to each other?
And how does that give them opportunity to fly under your intelligence radar?
And that is what keeps me up at night, because every night when I go to bed, I go down that list and say, what could we have missed today?
Where did we not look?
Which case that we were about to step out of, are we going to step out of just a month too early?
Because we need the resources to start the next one.
So, I'm just not sleeping that much.
So, now he comes with something that was very interesting to me.
I did not know, but I appreciate his promoing the new magazine.
You know, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
And when you look...
To your Inspire magazine, or you look at your Azan magazine, which is the same publication but from Tariq E. Taliban.
If you look at the upcoming magazine, which we haven't seen yet, which is Resurgence, which I believe will be targeted.
So he has not seen it yet.
Madar thing?
Is Glenn Greenwald going to write for it?
I think it's a first look property.
It is the Resurgence magazine, which we have not seen yet.
However, somehow John Miller knows all about it.
Which we haven't seen yet, which is Resurgence, which I believe will be targeted specifically looking at the market itself to African-American converts.
Hey, Mohammed!
Mohammed!
Hey, Mohammed!
Hey, Mohammed!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hold on a second.
Hello, hello, Muhammad!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hello, Muhammad.
Yeah, who is this?
Are you in publishing?
Who is this?
This is the Jihadi Joe.
Okay, what?
We need a new magazine.
Oh, okay.
This Inspire magazine not working no more.
Oh, no, we do.
Yeah.
We do new magazine.
Why do you sound Asian?
I'm Asian.
It's too late for this.
I can't do this right now.
Let's listen to this fine new publication.
And I say that because it's lead-off promotional video featured Malcolm X. Oh, yes.
What?
Okay.
Oh, Malcolm X. So, it's targeted at Africans.
If I was a member of the black community, especially the black Muslims...
I'd be outraged.
I would be so irked by it.
I would be...
Yeah, this is not right.
...which I believe will be targeted, specifically looking at the market itself to African-American converts.
African-American converts...
African-American converts.
How many African-American terrorists have we seen so far?
Yeah, but wait!
Well, zero.
But now, this is so disgusting what he is now saying.
He's saying, yeah, the African Americans, they're going to get self-radicalized because, uh, Malcolm X. Yeah, let's set them up.
Let's set them up for a while.
Malcolm X. Malcolm X. We had a meeting the other day, and, uh, you seem to be pretty white.
Yeah.
We need some blackies in there.
I know.
Let's do a video.
Oh, look, here's the video.
If you and I would just realize that once we learn to talk the language that they understand, they will then get the point.
You can never reach a man if you don't speak his language.
This is the actual audio track from the Resurgence video.
Yeah, and I guess the language is cocking a gun or shooting someone.
Oh no, you see nothing but shooting and fighting and killing.
A man speaks the language of brute force.
You can't come to him with peace.
Why, goodnight.
He'll break you in two.
As he has been doing all along.
You have to find out what does this man speak.
And once you know his language, learn how to speak his language.
And he'll get the point.
They only know one language.
Two rapid-fire explosions at the finish line.
Learn the language that they understand.
And then when they come up on our doorstep to talk, we can talk.
Hello, Westworld!
So there you go.
What was that?
The guy was yelling Ali Akbar?
Yeah.
So you have to kind of see the videos in the show notes, of course.
It's bad enough with the audio.
618.nashownotes.com So the CIA, who create these publications and put together this video, have now determined that we are going to turn African Americans, i.e.
the black people of North America, into Muslim terrorists who will start blowing stuff up and yelling, And I say that because it's lead-off promotional video featured Malcolm X. They're going to be talking the key to terrorism.
How does he know any of this?
Because he's part of the team that put it together.
Weren't you in the meeting?
Doesn't it make nothing but sense to everybody?
Or isn't it transparent to everybody that this is a scam?
The old Al-Qaeda, which is organizing a complex two and a half year planning arc for a $500,000 plot to collapse the World Trade Center, is really the opposite.
It should be low tech.
It should be low cost.
It should be high yield.
And the examples of that that apply to a place like Los Angeles or New York or anywhere in between are the Mumbai attacks, the active shooter model.
The active shooter model when you combine it with fire.
You saw that used effectively by the terrorists in Mumbai.
You saw it used again in Benghazi.
You'll see it used again elsewhere.
And all of these things are within reach.
Did we play the clip, I don't remember if we played it, of the testing going on at the Hayward Mall?
In Kenya?
No, in California, down here.
Oh, Hayward, California?
No, I don't think we played that.
I will have to put that in the next show because it's a Hayward Mall clip.
Yeah, we didn't play it.
They were doing these exercises.
There was a kicker in there.
Actually, I wish I had that.
This was a while back.
But exactly what he said, that's what they're working on.
When I play this clip, too much you can't get it.
It's from the May 11th show.
Because it has a little interesting tip at the end.
That is exactly what he's talking about.
Well, just to make it a little nuttier, I have one more clip by this douche knuckle.
And when you listen to this, he is talking about terrorism events like a movie producer slash director.
As if it really is a movie.
Listen.
We obsess.
They'll attack the water supply.
They'll go after the food supply.
They'll poison the milk and the cows.
They'll do a biological...
They sit around, up at night, while we're tossing and turning, thinking about what they're thinking, and they're thinking about, I need to kill people.
I need to have the streets running with blood.
I need people running and screaming.
I need it on TV. I'm not worried about causing a blackout.
I need people to die.
Terrorism.
It's theater.
It requires a storyline.
It needs a big dramatic scene.
It needs that story arc.
And the big scene, the money shot, involves blood and bodies.
And that's what they're thinking about.
They're thinking about the great.
Oh, this is very interesting.
So this cyber...
You have recorded a psychopath.
Yes!
Yes!
And he's essentially saying that all of this cyber stuff, we don't have to worry about it because these guys are only out for blood.
And that's all they do at night is like, hey, can I come over to your house and we'll strategize on some blood?
It goes contrary to everything.
Well, it definitely goes contrary to the money-making ideas of Richard Clark and some of these other characters.
You could say Dick.
Dick.
Yeah.
Well, they call him Dick Clark.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyway.
But every time I see Dick Clark, I think the dead guy doesn't work on me.
I like Richard.
By the way, do you know that Casey Kasem has gone missing?
He's disappeared from the face of the earth, apparently, or he's been locked in a closet by his sister or whoever he is that's holding him hostage.
That's weird, man.
Or his wife, I guess, has got a crazy wife.
That's, yeah, didn't he have the really hot wife, like young...
The blonde with the weird hair?
Yeah, who was, wasn't she an actress or something?
I think she's still married to him, and she's the one that locked him up, maybe?
That guy could be wrong.
Freaky.
That could happen to me, by the way.
Oh yeah, I'm expecting it.
It could happen to me at any moment.
Attention all the human resources.
No entry.
Second half of show.
Second half of show.
Oh, which we rarely do.
Yes, well, interesting clip came my way following the news that the HAARP array in Alaska is closing down.
Yep, shutting her down.
Shutting her down.
And HAARP, of course, long thought to be a weather manipulation station, a system to fry people at great distance.
Not saying I don't believe in that.
David Walker, Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Air Force, in charge.
I get the right sound effect mechanism.
Keep talking.
David Walker, Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Air Force.
You can do that after you listen to the clip.
It's very short.
He is going to tell us why HAARP is no longer necessary.
Do you have any idea why HAARP is no longer necessary, John?
Because they cost too much.
It's too expensive.
The Air Force has gotten great value out of HAARP in the past.
We took it over from the Navy and managed it and actually did a number of experiment campaigns up there and have finished our work that we're interested in doing up there.
We've moved on to other ways of managing the ionosphere, which the HAARP was really designed to do, was to inject energy into the ionosphere and be able to actually control it.
What happens when you control the ionosphere?
Well, there's a couple of things about this.
One is that they haven't shut it down yet.
And on, apparently, June 15th, they're going to do their last experiment.
June 15th coincides perfectly.
Six weeks cycle!
Six weeks cycle.
Nice.
So there you have it.
Now, this is being touted in the circles in which I often travel as proof that there's weather manipulation going on.
But quite honestly, I have to say, controlling the ionosphere is really, certainly what I think it was initially meant for, was controlling radio waves.
But also creating plasma and all kinds of funky stuff.
But I found it interesting that he says, no, we have all these other ways of doing it.
Now, this is old school.
That's just old technology.
All you harp people, directed energy weapons people.
This harp stuff, that's like Stone Age.
That's like ham radio to our internet.
Yeah, well, there you have it.
I think that's a good summary.
June 15th.
June 15th.
Very interesting.
We will definitely mark that down.
Maybe we're going to have the big event.
They have to have a good one a year.
As opposed to some dipshit, you know, plan to dial the phone number and blow up the bank.
It is time, I agree.
Uh, okay.
I have a couple things I want to get out of here, which is apparently China's having nothing but labor problems, and this is going to get worse and worse.
And I want to play two clips.
One is the China striker's hilarious clip, because apparently their labor problems are essentially the following.
You hire me, we sign a contract that you're going to pay me this much, I work my ass off for you, I'm working 16 hours a day, day after day, and you don't pay me.
That's essentially the bitch that they have.
No, we don't get paid.
This is bad.
But play the first clip, which is China strikers hilarious.
China is poised to overtake the U.S. as the world's largest economy this year.
And one reason for that success has been an endless supply of cheap labor.
What outfit is claiming this?
This is Van Cat.
The past decades, Chinese workers doing long hours for little pay.
But things might be about to change.
Tens of thousands of workers went on strike last month in Guangdong province, demanding better working conditions.
And that's a new trend in a region that's sometimes referred to as the world's factory.
Duncan Hewitt, Clemence Dibout, and Charlie Wang report.
The guards still keep a watchful eye, but on the surface, all seems back to normal at Yu Yuan's huge factory complex in Dongguan.
No trace of the strikes which began in April to demand welfare payments from the firm, which makes shoes for brands including Nike, Adidas and Puma.
After two weeks of tension and dozens of arrests, the authorities ordered the strikers back to work.
But many seem unconvinced by their boss's pledge to repay what they're owed.
We're not satisfied, but we have no choice.
You have to go back to work.
If we don't go on strike, how will we ever get paid what we're owed?
That was our only demand, that they meet the terms of our contract and pay our social security.
Interesting.
So this is the kind of management that goes on in China.
We just don't ever talk about this sort of thing.
But I got the bigger kick out of this guy, the next clip, which is Boston, China.
This is the guy who runs one of the factories.
And don't forget, out of the blue, within the last very few years, over 340 billionaires have been minted in China because they don't pay people.
They're crooked.
And this guy essentially admits it.
He's one of the managers of one of these factories.
And he says...
You know, if we actually had to pay these people, we'd go broke!
It's getting increasingly difficult to recruit workers.
More and more of them are demanding to check their contracts to make sure they get complete social security.
So we really have to respect the labor law.
And with rising wages and production costs, some bosses, me included, are thinking of moving out to Vietnam or Cambodia.
Three decades after its industry first took off, Shenzhen is one of China's four richest cities.
As production costs rise, it's aiming to focus more on high-tech, high-value-added industries like electronics, telecommunications, and biotechnology, and to depend less on an increasingly savvy labor force.
Yeah, well, enjoy your iPhone.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
I thought that clip, and especially, let's go to Vietnam, where they're going to run into a very intelligent population.
97% literacy rate, much higher than ours here in the United States.
And the economy in Vietnam is booming.
Yeah, so Vietnam's out.
Cambodia, I can see that.
Right, right.
Well, Cambodia's got problems.
No, the Chinese can deal with it.
Or maybe just move all their facilities to Africa.
There you go.
Get people to work cheap there.
All right, let me wrap up my end with one email and one clip regarding Nigeria.
Of course, people who listen to the show know our stance on Nigeria.
Very interesting to see that they've sent over accountants to go and find the $49.6 billion that has gone missing from the National Nigerian Petroleum Corporation, a joint venture with Shell and Chevron.
Oops!
Sorry, yeah, Royal Dutch Shell and Chevron.
If this is the email I think you're going to read, it's a beauty.
From Hector.
Subject, Boko Haram.
I like your guy's show and everything, but I just don't see your angle of how you can confidently just call this Boko Haram thing a hoax.
Literally, from what I've heard, you seem to think there isn't much foliage or building, so it couldn't happen, or that parents should be able to pick their children out of a crowd quicker.
Honestly, come with something better, because this is one of the worst analysis or justification for a hoax I've ever heard from you guys.
P.S. It's also getting a bit too obvious that whatever country Adam happens to pop into is 100% pristine, but when you return home, everything is awful!
I've been to many other airports all over the world, and they're very similar.
The fact that you try to paint every security worker in foreign airports as nice, then every security worker in the U.S. is a deuce just makes you look biased!
Yeah.
Well, it's funny, because my wife doesn't get detained in other countries.
I love that letter.
That guy's great.
He is good.
Keep it up.
He doesn't listen to the show, though.
You can tell these guys.
Of course not.
Because our expositions, when we develop these theses, it really is generally two or three shows of...
And information comes from people who have been there and give us this information.
We have feats on the ground everywhere.
Yes.
So now I have a quick clip from Alice Friend, is her name, and Boko Haram, as you know, so here's another little data point for you about the scam.
Why?
And we asked this the minute this happened.
Why haven't we had, you know, bring back our boys who were burned in their dorm rooms?
Or, you know, this has been going on for years.
And Boko Haram, of course, has been on the payroll.
That's why they've been paid to do crap.
And Miss Friend is going to tell us exactly what this is really about.
What is Boko Haram really fighting, John?
I have no idea.
Mr.
Chairman, the threat to Nigeria from Boko Haram has grown over the past five years and mutates day by day, extending its reach, increasing the sophistication and lethality of its attacks, and growing its military capacity.
These most recent attacks are especially unconscionable because they were perpetrated against innocent girls and because of the sheer scale of the attack in Chibok.
Unfortunately, these kidnappings are only the most recent outrages in a growing portfolio of attacks perpetrated by Boko Haram in its war against education.
Oh, okay.
It's the war against education.
Oh, this is the one that...
The one that Michelle brought up.
No reports coming out of the European news sources have said this ever.
No.
Michelle Obama is the first one which we had the clip of her saying it.
We identified it because it's part of the agenda, the Obama agenda is education.
To screw up, get Common Core working, which we haven't discussed enough.
And so now that she drops this bomb, who was that woman and where was she testifying?
She was in Congress, and she works for the Department of Defense.
She works for the Pentagon.
Okay, so she's just part of the whole...
She's part of the whole...
Yeah.
Of course, yeah.
Okay, I'm going to...
You know what?
I like that clip so much because it caught me off guard that you do get a clip of the day we have where you're overdue.
Wow, that's very kind.
I don't know if I deserve it, but I'll take it.
Clip of the day.
Well, with that, it being almost 3 a.m., what do you say?
I think we should close shop.
That's right.
Well, we hope you enjoyed the value that we've provided for you.
And we've got our little rap song coming up here, as promised, at the very end of the show.
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Detroit.
Depressing people.
And I will be still in Tokyo.
Indeed.
On the cusp, the eve of our departure back home to, no doubt, another fine incarceration moment of the lovely Miss Mickey.
So with that, coming to you from the Hot Pockets Wasabi Love Hotel here in Tokyo.
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