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	In front of the firewall says, plug your parts!
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, October 24th, 2013.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 559.
	This is No Agenda.
	Reviewing over 5 million lines of code here at the Traverse Heights Hideout in the capital of the Drone Star State, Austin Tejas.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I review no code, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	That's funny.
	It was like all of a sudden you went like a thousand miles an hour.
	Yeah, I did.
	I'm not used to that from you.
	What?
	Maybe decaf next time for John.
	I drink tea.
	So, there can be caffeine in tea.
	There's a lot of caffeine in tea, but it also has relaxants.
	It's more balanced.
	It's a balanced drink.
	It's healthy.
	Oh, and is this the PGT? You used to drink tea.
	I used to drink it all the time.
	You ran off with that Dutch woman.
	Yeah.
	But hey, come on.
	Dutch people drink more tea than you think.
	My impression is they just drink coffee.
	No, no, no, no.
	They have coffee shops all over Amsterdam.
	Yes.
	When in fact, what's served in the coffee shops is more rightly known, at least in general parlance, as tea.
	So typically the Dutch morning consists of breakfast with tea, and coffee is not until coffee time, which is, I think, anywhere between 10 and 11 is officially coffee time.
	And that is when the Dutch drink a cup of coffee.
	But the morning is rarely spent.
	Breakfast is, I would say, traditionally, in general, in the Netherlands, tea.
	What does a breakfast consist of?
	It consists of, typically, bread with butter and some cheese.
	It could be bread with Nutella.
	Ugh!
	Or bread with Hagelslag, which is like sprinkles.
	There's that.
	Okay.
	I don't know what that is.
	Sprinkles?
	Yeah, you do.
	You know, like Jimmy's, I guess.
	Well, you put them on your eyes.
	Jimmy's?
	You never heard of Jimmy's?
	Hey, Jimmy, can you sprinkle on this for me?
	I'm coming right up, boss.
	Hey, hey, hey, hey.
	Hey, you started it.
	What are sprinkles?
	You're still going to explain.
	Have you ever been in a Baskin-Robbins and you get your ice cream and then...
	Oh, you're talking about that garbage they put on the ice cream?
	Yes, the topping.
	You put that on a breakfast piece of bread?
	Yeah, with butter.
	Oh, jeez.
	Or, you know what a rusk is?
	A rusk.
	You know what a rusk is?
	Isn't rusk just like breadcrumbs?
	No.
	Rusk is beschuit.
	You know what beschuit is, don't you?
	Oh yeah, sure.
	Rusk, I think, consult the Book of Knowledge.
	It's around, yeah, like, let me see if there's a different word for it.
	Rusk.
	It's a dry biscuit, twice-baked bread.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, but that's what they put in.
	Rusk is what's used in the British banger.
	Yeah, but this is, so this is like, imagine a hockey puck.
	I'm not kidding.
	It's Rusk.
	And you put butter on top of that, and you can either have your cheese, or your Nutella, or your Jimmies.
	On top of a hockey puck.
	Yes.
	I kid you not.
	This isn't very exciting.
	Yeah.
	I imagine when I first moved there when I was seven and I saw this crap for breakfast and then they were eating french fries with mayonnaise.
	I'm like, are you insane?
	I want to go home.
	And then I actually got used to it.
	Now I can barely imagine french fries without mayonnaise.
	How weird is that?
	I was at a restaurant yesterday, and they had french fries with aioli.
	It's a little french place.
	And, you know, it's like I can live with the french fries.
	The french fries with the mayonnaise doesn't bother me.
	I mean, I've had it.
	I still prefer ketchup, but the problem is today's ketchup is junk, so I don't eat french fries.
	But with the aioli, which is a mayonnaise with garlic in it, it's just way over the top.
	It's a bit much.
	It must have stuck to high heaven.
	In fact, I can smell you from here.
	You should stop doing that before show day.
	And this is one of those days where, before the show started, of course, we always do the pre-stream for those of you who like to listen live.
	We start around 30 minutes before showtime, and I'm just playing songs.
	But I really, honestly, deep down, I really just wanted to listen to C-SPAN. Because this is the funniest thing you've ever seen.
	You could not write this.
	If we sat down and said, let's write something really funny that the technology community would understand and would laugh their ass off about, you could not write this.
	As there's a congressional hearing with the, I think it's three or four of the 50 consultants who created the healthcare.gov website.
	Oh, jeez, that's got to be great.
	Well, you get these, I guess it's, is it congressmen or senators who are doing this?
	No, I've got to check.
	I'm not sure.
	When you get them asking questions about testing and beta testing and end-to-end processes and batch processing and...
	And you have a bunch of people that don't know anything asking questions.
	Correct.
	And we're always laughing about this because this is like the news in general.
	This is the House Energy and Commerce Committee is what it is.
	In general, whenever you read something or hear something or see something in the news, which is about a topic that you really know something about, you'll be sitting there going like, this is bullcrap!
	They got none of that right.
	What do you expect?
	It's Congress.
	But that's the news, and the news has done absolutely nothing about this healthcare debacle except regurgitate words like, oh, glitch.
	The tech people are all out of the industry, the news industry.
	The only people that have been left over, and if you read any of the publications, you can tell this.
	It's just people interested in iPhones.
	That's all that it is.
	You're absolutely right.
	Who gives a crap about anything else?
	Why bother?
	Yeah, it's just iPhones, iPhones, iPhones.
	Ooh, a new iPhone's coming out.
	Ooh, a new iPhone that's gold is coming out.
	What do you think about that, Bill?
	I think it's great.
	I'm going to buy a gold one.
	Here's a fine example of CNN. I think this is Jake Tapper, you know, the guy who got fired from ABC for whatever he did wrong and got sent down to the farm team there at CNN. We, by the way, now in the morning have 37,000 viewers in the demo.
	Congratulations, McKaylee.
	What's her name?
	Our friend there?
	McKaylee?
	McKayla?
	Oh, McKayla.
	McKayla.
	Isn't she the one from...
	You're talking about what?
	The morning host on CNN. Isn't that Michaela from L.A.? She did the morning show on L.A.? Yeah, it is Michaela.
	She's got that show.
	She came out of Tech TV, then she went to L.A., and now she's there.
	And now she has 37,000 viewers in the demo in the morning.
	Hey, everybody.
	Good morning.
	That's terrible.
	That's not terrible.
	That's almost immeasurable.
	That's what you call it, you know, when they do the...
	By the way, I want to stop you right now.
	You know, you're coming in and out about at a 10 dB fluctuation, and I'm worried that the recording is not consistent.
	Really?
	You're like low, and then you're loud, and then you're low, and then you're loud.
	I'm sure that has something...
	Hold on.
	15...
	Sorry?
	15 dog biscuits?
	I'm sure that has something to do with Skype.
	Let me see if...
	Oh, yeah.
	No, of course.
	I see what happened.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	1-2-1-2-1-2.
	How's that sound?
	Check 1-2-1-2.
	That should be better, yeah?
	Yeah, you're fine.
	Yeah.
	You know what it was?
	I started up Skype and it rechecked the automatic adjust microphone settings.
	Ah.
	Yeah.
	So when I'm powering in, it's trying to compensate for my huge booming voice.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, 37,000.
	When they do the Arbitrons or whatever they do.
	Nielsen.
	Nielsen.
	Actually, that's so low, it's time for Arbitrons.
	They should be in radio.
	Let's just turn off the cameras.
	Do radio.
	Get an asterisk.
	Get a PBX, people.
	Just deliver VHS tapes.
	It would be cheaper.
	It would be cheaper.
	If you're under one or something, they just put an asterisk.
	Yeah, that's correct.
	An asterisk.
	It's like the lowest.
	I think if it's under 0.1, I think that's when you get the asterisk on the ratings.
	Anyway, unfortunately for her, it's a total...
	Perfect fail.
	But here is, on CNN, another epic fail.
	Just to give you an idea of the level of understanding of technology, I guess what happened here is...
	The one lady who got through and was able to register, and I don't even know if she actually...
	Is that the one lady?
	There was one in Ohio apparently who just got through the other day.
	The one with Obama, the one who was in the Rose Garden, and she was the one.
	So the way she got through, apparently it took her like four hours, and she had to clean her cash and her cookies.
	In order to create...
	Oh, that's a good one.
	But here's how it comes across on CNN. It took her seven hours on the phone and online.
	Eventually she had to go through and clean out all the cookies from her cachet.
	And then she was able to sign up.
	Her cachet?
	Clip of the day already.
	Really?
	I get it now?
	Oh my god, I wasn't prepared for that.
	Hold on a second.
	Clip of the day.
	I mean, seriously.
	This is what passes for news.
	She had to clean out her cachet.
	You know, maybe she did have to clean out her cachet.
	Maybe her cachet was the problem to start with.
	You know, hey lady, your attitude is not right.
	Let's work on that cachet.
	Cachet.
	Wow.
	Do these people in themselves even use computers?
	No.
	No, no, no.
	And then...
	So here is...
	Here is Sanjay Gupta, because again, if you have a technology issue in government, the person you want to send is the medical guy.
	Yeah, he'll know.
	And we like him much more, Sanjay, because now he's on the weed wagon.
	He's all for it now, for whatever.
	He's finally toked up.
	Yeah, this guy will do anything.
	But he sat down with the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
	Kathleen Sebelius, and asked her a few pointed questions.
	She's not been fired.
	Well, there's talk now about that she should resign.
	I think he may even, in this clip, even address that.
	But what's funny is she's saying all the wrong things.
	And I've been...
	My first...
	The company I took public It was like 700 people, huge integration.
	We were integrating with back-end systems.
	I talked about it before.
	I don't want to go through the whole story, but I do want to say I've been in this situation where my contact at a company where we screwed something up, whether it was on their side or our side, these are hard projects.
	Then you hear them talking to the boss, and in this case the American public is the boss, and it sounds kind of like this.
	What has he said to you about this?
	Let's get it done.
	You heard him yesterday in the Rose Garden, and he is the first to admit that the website doesn't work the way we need it to work.
	So that's one of the reasons, Sanjay, we have announced this tech surge and bringing in...
	A tech surge, John.
	Wow!
	That would be clip of the day.
	A text surge.
	So this thing is, this is the Iraq War.
	Yes, that's exactly where we're at.
	So we're going to use the word surge any time we want to put a little extra effort into something.
	That's right.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Wow.
	It's the surge.
	New eyes and ears.
	Jeff Zients, who's a...
	New eyes and ears.
	Jeff Zients.
	Okay.
	A colleague and friend of mine from this administration is coming in as a management consultant to the administrator of CMS to make sure we look at the whole management system.
	We want to make sure that we have the best and the brightest in terms of tech folks.
	Tech folks.
	We have gathered them together and asked the contractors to bring their A-team to the table.
	Now, Gupta is actually good with this.
	We have asked the presidential innovation fellows to...
	Presidential Innovation Fellows.
	How come I'm not on that?
	I need to be on that list.
	Add some strength because we just want to make sure we get all the right answers and do what is needed to be done as quickly as possible to open up the doors of this marketplace.
	Jeff Zients brings a CEO background with him.
	What about tech people?
	We hear the best and the brightest.
	Are there people or companies that we're going to recognize?
	Can you give us some names?
	Yeah, because we recognize all these big names.
	I guess, what does he want to hear?
	Apple?
	Google?
	Twitter?
	Facebook?
	What does he want to hear?
	Well, right now, we've asked all of our contractors to look at their teams on the ground and bring in...
	Teams on the ground!
	We've gone from boots on the ground to teams on the ground to tech surge.
	Their absolute A-team.
	I am confident that that is happening every day.
	We also, the Presidential Innovation Fellows...
	The contractors didn't do such a great job so far.
	Why didn't they bring their A-team in in the first place?
	There you go.
	I can't tell.
	There you go.
	Sanjay, good question.
	Why are we saying in three weeks now, bring your A-team into this whole equation?
	We have hoped that they had their A-team on the table, but I am talking to CPE. Your A-team's under the table, apparently.
	Urging them to make sure that we have the talent that they have available.
	I think all of them have folks who are assigned to a project.
	We want new eyes and ears.
	We want to make sure that we get...
	All the questions you're going to start over?
	Well, they're going to have to.
	She is horrible.
	Now, let me ask you this.
	Where is our CTO in all of this?
	Isn't this what a chief technology officer is supposed to bring to the table?
	Isn't this what Parks, isn't that Don Parks, isn't that his name?
	Yeah, well, at least the two Indian guys bailed out.
	They got out of town.
	I think they knew it.
	I think they saw this train wreck coming, and they're like, well, let's go sell into it, but let's not be on the wrong side.
	Where?
	Don Park.
	Todd Park.
	That's a Don.
	Before you go on to that.
	Well, I have one more.
	No, no, don't.
	This is referring to what you just did.
	I've got the list in front of me of the Presidential Innovation Fellows, who they're bringing to the table, according to Sebelius.
	Let's go over the list of the new ones on there.
	Scott Wu, he's from Innovation Ventures at USAID. Oh, he's a State Department.
	He's voted the past two decades to innovation, working with launching and investing in young companies and organizations to disrupt their respective sectors.
	Oh, he's disruptive.
	I don't think we need that right now.
	No, no.
	Okay.
	Well, then let's get rid of him.
	Let's get this guy.
	Scott Hartley.
	He's a presidential innovation fellow working on development innovation at USAID. Oh, he's another State Department shill.
	Okay.
	Well, he's previously worked as a partner at Moore Davidoff, a Sand Hill Road company.
	And prior to that, he worked at Google, Facebook, and Harvard, and Beckman Center for the Internet Society.
	He's an academic.
	It might be okay.
	Hold on.
	Presidential Innovation.
	What is it called?
	Fellow.
	Fellows.
	Fellows.
	And then we have Jacqueline Cazell, who is a Presidential Fellow on Disaster Response and Recovery.
	And this is a disaster.
	Yeah, so she'd be good to have in there.
	Yeah, she'll be in there saying, hey look, this is a disaster.
	We need a tech surge to cover up the disaster.
	Vidya Spadana is in the Open Data Initiative.
	She could be useful.
	She is working on the Open Data Initiative at the Millennium Challenge Corporation.
	Is that a challenge coin?
	It's a challenge corporation.
	Oh, a challenge corporation.
	Much bigger than a coin.
	Somewhat.
	As a college undergrad, apparently she just graduated, she co-founded a gov tech startup.
	Gov tech?
	dv.org.
	What is it called?
	DMV.org.
	Wait a minute.
	That's a tech startup?
	It's a GovTech startup.
	Let's get these terms right.
	It says DMV.org is a privately owned website that is not owned or operated by any state government agency.
	It says GovTech.
	Now, GovTech doesn't mean it's owned by the government.
	No, no, no.
	Like, technology, maybe.
	Well, this is kind of interesting.
	If you look at this website, helping you navigate the DMV since 1999, I immediately, I'm like, I'm liking this.
	Because, in fact, if you open up DMV.gov, I presume there's a website there.
	Oh, no.
	It has to be www.dmv.gov.
	No, no.
	Nobody's that incompetent.
	That's not true.
	There is no dmv.gov, just so you know.
	It does not exist.
	Oh, I'm looking, and there says, server not founded, www.dmv.gov.
	There's no dmv.gov.
	You have to go to subdomains for your...
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Try capital D, capital...
	All right, fine.
	But I like this idea...
	Where, what's her name again?
	I can probably find it on her website here.
	I gotta go back.
	Advertise with us our mission, our company.
	Our company, let me see.
	Vidya, V-I-D-Y-A Spandana.
	S-P-A-N-D-A-N-A. Vidya Spandana.
	Let's see if she's hot.
	She's pretty.
	She's hot.
	I think she's very pretty, actually.
	Okay.
	So this is a great idea because...
	It's not important that she's pretty.
	It's important that she's competent, my friend.
	No, no.
	It's important that she's...
	According to the email I've been getting.
	We'll get into that in a minute.
	I think this actually is a fantastic idea where you take a non...
	In fact, dmv.gov doesn't even exist.
	You take a non-functioning entity online, and that's pretty much anything the government does, and you create a better version of it, just tying into their hooks or whatever, into their systems...
	And then you've got a business, I think.
	It looks like they're basing it on advertising.
	There's a ton of these fellows.
	There's no way they can get all these fellows in one room at the same time.
	So she's full of crap about this.
	Anyway, take it.
	Take it.
	Who else is there?
	Is there anyone else who's a fellow?
	Because I feel a little slighty.
	There's a ton of them.
	There must be 50 of them on this page.
	And this is the second round of fellows.
	And there's nobody that is here.
	It's cyber-physical systems.
	Dr.
	Sakwu Rhee is a presidential fellow in Cyber-Physical Systems Project at the National Institute of Standards and Technology.
	Sakwu is an entrepreneur and executive with expertise in technical fields, including wireless networks.
	His broad experience in pioneering new industries and promoting company growth with a focus on continuous analysis is bullcrap.
	Jeff Mulligan, Cyber Physical Systems.
	MyUSA, Hillary Hartley.
	Oh, here we go.
	She's got a picture of...
	You've got to see the picture of this woman.
	No, I'm not doing that anymore.
	She is...
	I'm out.
	I'm out.
	I could go on forever.
	So this is known as the PIFs.
	I see it right here on WhiteHouse.gov.
	Piffs.
	They're the Piffs, yeah.
	Yeah, the presidential...
	It's Barack Obama and the Piffs, everybody.
	Yeah, Gladys Knight used to play with it.
	With the Piffs.
	So here's spokeshole Carney, and of course he's being grilled and all he can do is read off the paper, and it's kind of sad, but he has...
	It's pathetic when he has to look down and read off the paper.
	Yeah, and so here is his introduction of Jeff Zients.
	Do you know this guy?
	This Zients guy?
	No, I never met him.
	Do you know what he...
	I mean, but he's CEO. He's not like a...
	Yeah, how do you spell his last name?
	It's weird.
	Z-I-E-N-T-S. Zients.
	And let's see.
	We'll look him up while we listen to this clip.
	Launched a tech surge.
	Oh, tech surge.
	There it is.
	Well underway.
	bringing some of the most talented experts to bear on this problem, and they're working 24-7.
	24-7, everybody.
	On fixing the website.
	And I understand that HHS is now announcing some key steps, including the fact that it is bringing in management expert and former CEO, Jeff Zients, on board to work in close cooperation with the HHS team to provide management advice and counsel to the project.
	As those of you who know.
	Yeah.
	He's currently the director of the National Economic Council, so what has he got to do with the price of bread when it comes to computer systems?
	Oh, nothing.
	I don't know.
	They think that somehow you're going to bring in another manager, another guy who's going to have to get up to speed on this debacle, that that's going to work.
	This is just about the worst thing you can do.
	To a team, and many, many teams, who are completely demoralized, and now you're going to...
	I've been here.
	I've done this.
	This is exactly the wrong way to go.
	By the way, I don't see any evidence that he knows anything about systems.
	No, no.
	It's all about management.
	They think that it's just management, management, management.
	Yes.
	This is the idiocy of the...
	Yeah.
	This is crazy.
	And there's nobody in Congress that seems to have a clue about any of this either.
	So...
	Well...
	This site's never going to work.
	I don't think so either.
	I think it's never really going to work very well.
	They're going to have to really go back to...
	It's not the site.
	It's all the back-end stuff.
	That's what it is.
	Anyway, so on Sunday we will have plenty of fun clips to listen to.
	This guy's just a government stooge.
	He's not even a CEO. CEO of what?
	I can't find anything.
	I see the, let's see, advisory board.
	The management.
	He's like, oh, okay.
	He was one of the board of directors of XM Satellite Radio.
	He was?
	No, he was Chief Operating Officer of Advisory Board Company.
	Isn't that the company that the first CTO was part of?
	One of those, some Washington drinking club that was called a company?
	I have no idea what it is.
	We've talked about this company.
	It's not a company.
	It's just a bunch of guys who formed something called a company.
	Research Council of Washington.
	With five employees.
	Yeah, it's a think tank.
	The drinking club.
	Great, bring him in.
	This guy knows nothing.
	In fact, on his wiki page, someone should go in on his wiki page and replace his picture with a target on his head.
	Probably considered a terrorist threat.
	Yeah, true.
	Maybe you don't want to do that.
	Yeah.
	What is interesting is if you look at the House hearing, three women, two men in the witness stand.
	And they say there's no women in tech.
	Well, they're there.
	Yeah, they're there to get blamed.
	Actually, I think the woman from, I don't know if she's from CGI or CMS, but she's actually doing pretty well.
	This guy, by the way, in this day and age, this sounds a little weird, but I'm going to say it anyway.
	This Jeff Zients guy.
	He's not even on, and he's not a high-level guy.
	He's not Larry Ellison.
	This guy isn't even on LinkedIn.
	Wow.
	Really?
	I tell you, everybody who's a CEO in almost every company, with the exception of very few extremely high-level people, they're all on LinkedIn.
	This guy's not on.
	Hmm.
	So he's not even in that league where he's just a slouch.
	Okay, let's go from there.
	Sorry.
	Someone who's going to get blamed.
	That's what's going to happen.
	I even got a note, and this kind of confused me, from Nancy Ann DeParle.
	You know, I'm on the White House.
	Ready for Hillary?
	Well, Nancy and the note was about the Affordable Care Act and the health insurance marketplace and the website launched.
	As you may have heard, the website launched hasn't gone as smoothly as it should have.
	But she's not there anymore.
	She left.
	She left?
	Yeah.
	So they're just sending out letters with her name on it?
	Yes, I think so.
	Because everywhere you look, she's now at a private equity firm.
	So it's just a template.
	I think it is, John.
	Oh, that's disgusting.
	I mean, I got the email, I'm like, Nancy Ann DeParley, didn't she?
	Yeah, here it is.
	Nancy Ann DeParley left the Obama White House last January.
	How do you spell her name?
	So Nancy-Ann, A-N-N, DeParley, D-E-P-A-R-L-E. D-E-P-A-R-L-E. And if you look at the Book of Knowledge, no way does it say she's returned all of a sudden.
	So I think that, you know, the whole, I think the whole, Administration is running on one big Perl script.
	It's worse.
	It's probably Apple script.
	Here it is.
	De Parley.
	Yeah, and here's Nancy Ann De Parley on LinkedIn.
	But she's not.
	She's currently at the Consonance Capital Company.
	Yeah.
	She's a partner.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well, why is she sending out this note then?
	I don't know.
	That's what's so weird.
	I'm telling you, they've got...
	These guys are running on fumes.
	They are.
	It's so bad right now.
	And please transition us right into NATSEC Wonk, because I love...
	I was thinking, as soon as you said things are so bad right now, the first thing I thought of was NAVSEC... NATSEC Wonk.
	Yeah, National Security Wonk.
	NATSEC Wonk.
	And if people haven't heard this story, I actually have a clip that kind of outlines it.
	This is a very short clip I see here.
	Is that the one?
	Yeah, play it.
	And a guy who worked in the White House on national security is looking for a new job tonight.
	He was fired for tweeting.
	This is one of the tweets that Jaffe Joseph, aka NatSecWonk, sent.
	Like this one, many tweets insulted top White House officials.
	He was exposed and fired last week.
	Oh, you didn't have...
	Oh, man, you need the three examples everyone's using.
	Well, there's more than a few examples that you could pick from if you have, and I think it's linked in the show notes.
	Yeah, no, it's in the show notes, of course it is.
	The entire history of this guy, which was taken off of Twitter, and somebody said, you know, I haven't found out why it was taken off.
	It was taken off by Twitter or if he closed the account, but I think it was taken off by the company because it doesn't say he closed the account.
	Usually it says his account's been closed.
	Yeah, or private or something like that, yeah.
	Yeah, but this one says, server error!
	Yeah.
	Did you mean DMV.gov?
	And so he went after everybody, and one of his key targets was Valerie Jeff.
	Yes, yes.
	What is she even doing here?
	Why is she here?
	I think she's got too much influence on the president.
	Who is she, anyway?
	I was like, hey, why is this guy taking my shtick?
	I'm glad they closed the account.
	I'm the only one who sees this.
	And I'm not even on the inside.
	Here's CNN who are just appalled, appalled that anyone would do this.
	This is what everyone hates about Washington.
	This is appalling.
	He's mean.
	Classic.
	First thing the Obama administration needs, a rogue tweeter, believe it or not.
	White House national security official Jofie Joseph fired last week because he posted hundreds of snarky tweets.
	Snarky.
	Critical of his bosses and government policies and bosses' friends and officials and just about anybody because it went on for years.
	Jim Acosta's at the White House with the very latest on this.
	We got the guy on the White House lawn to talk about this, everybody.
	Stop the presses.
	Jim, honestly, when I read these tweets, I thought I was reading the tweets of a 15-year-old mean girl.
	A 15-year-old mean girl.
	Is that Aaron?
	No, that is...
	I think it's the girl, the lady with the glasses and the short blonde hair.
	They are outlandish.
	It sounds like something out of that movie Mean Girls or Heathers or, you know, that sort of stereotype of Mean High School.
	All the movies we watch all the time.
	Apparently.
	How would you know about Heathers unless you watched it?
	Cool behavior.
	And honestly, sometimes Washington can behave like a high school, and this is an example of that.
	One thing we should point out, White House officials say that Jofi Joseph, the National Security Council Director of Nonproliferation, a pretty interesting title there, important title, He was fired immediately once his identity was revealed as the mystery man behind this Twitter handle, NatSecWonk, which, by the way, if you go on Twitter, isn't there anymore.
	And just to give you a sample of the mean-spiritedness that was being vented on Twitter under this handle...
	Okay, now we've transitioned into the bullying meme.
	Hold on, I've got to do it like I'm there.
	The bullying meme!
	He was such a bully, bully, bully!
	There was one about Ambassador Samantha Power.
	He took a tweet from Samantha Power and then modified it and tweeted it out himself.
	Ambassador Power's original tweet was about how she was wrapping up a busy day at the United Nations General Assembly and talking about the President's speech there.
	And Natsak, Wonk, Jofi, Joseph tweeted, Tweets like this are why so many soured on you.
	And really, that sort of scratched it.
	By the way, that was like the what?
	That was dumb.
	That was just a dumb, non-sequitur tweet.
	It made no sense at all.
	If you said, how come you married Cass Sunstein?
	What are you doing with that douchebag?
	That would make sense.
	That tweet, by the way.
	He did that?
	Yeah, he did.
	He had a tweet about Cass.
	What the hell is she doing with Cass?
	Excellent.
	There are many other mean-spirited ones.
	Mean-spirited?
	Sarah Palin and Valerie Jarrett and many other...
	Sarah Palin and Valerie Jarrett!
	But Jofie Joseph, once he was busted, apparently released an apology statement to Politico.
	And I'll read that to you.
	It says, It has been a privilege to serve in this administration.
	I deeply regret violating the trust and confidence placed in me.
	What started out as an intended parody account of D.C. culture developed over time into a series of inappropriate, mean-spirited comments.
	I bear complete responsibility for this affair, and I sincerely apologize to everyone I insulted.
	But, Ashley, I mean, he says it was a parody account of D.C. culture.
	This is what people don't like about DC culture.
	No, this is the best thing that I've ever seen from DC culture.
	I agree.
	What is wrong with these people?
	You wonder why CNN has no ratings.
	Yeah, they totally don't get it.
	They are siding with the wrong side of an argument.
	Always.
	Consistently siding with the wrong side of an argument.
	They are siding with the power.
	They're not.
	Maybe with the people.
	And the people want this.
	Quite frankly, that it can be sort of mean-spirited and cutthroat.
	So it's strange that he would apologize in that fact.
	He was sort of contributing to it.
	Jim, can I just interrupt you for one second?
	Yeah, please interrupt, because you've got something important to say, Ashley.
	Because while he gives you that statement, I want people to know exactly what he did say.
	I'm a fan of Obama, but his continuing reliance and dependence upon a vacuous cipher like Valerie Jarrett...
	Vacuous cipher?
	What does that mean?
	Vacuous cipher.
	What does that mean?
	It's an airhead, vacuous airhead.
	Cipher?
	Cipher, which is someone I think, I'm about to look it up to get it exactly right, but someone who just yaks a lot, I think, is a cipher.
	A zero.
	It's a zero.
	A vacuous cipher.
	An airhead zero.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and?
	That's just one.
	The other one you alluded to.
	So when will someone do us the favor of getting rid of Sarah Palin and the rest of her white trash family?
	What utter useless...
	By the way, that was very interesting.
	The first time I ever heard someone on the news bring up that tweet.
	Because most of these news organizations think that's funny.
	When it's about Sarah Palin, then it's funny.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, it's okay.
	Then it's funny.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	When it's about Sarah Palin.
	They're good to go with all kinds of criticism of Sarah Palin.
	Or Michelle Bachman.
	You see, then it's okay.
	Oh, Bachman.
	Then it's okay.
	Oh, what a clown.
	Then it's okay.
	And by the way, women who complain so stealthily to me, and I'm sure to you as well, John Cash Devorak.
	And I got some complaints about what we said about, what's her name, Ivory, what's her name?
	Keenan Ivory.
	No.
	Emily...
	Emily Dreyfuss.
	Dreyfuss, right.
	Who apparently, I was told, in a funny way, you know she's Richard Dreyfuss' daughter.
	Oh, I pissed on the golden girl!
	I'm so sorry.
	I didn't know that.
	Yeah.
	I was literally told, hey, by the way, you know that it's Richard Dreyfuss' daughter.
	I'm like, oh, now I know everyone's so mad.
	Yeah, well, celebrities.
	Anyway, yeah, exactly.
	The only thing I want to say about that is this.
	And if you didn't hear it, go listen to the last episode, where the one time we don't say that we are evaluating women the way television producers do.
	Right.
	Because we usually disclaim.
	You usually say that.
	That's a disclaimer.
	That's our out.
	But I will expand it for once and all time.
	If you are in media, And you display yourself in media.
	I don't care if it's on a poster.
	I don't care if it's on a podcast, on television, whatever it is.
	And you have an opinion about anything, which most people in media do.
	That's pretty much everyone's job.
	You are susceptible to criticism.
	Subject.
	Subject to criticism of your appearance.
	Yes.
	And it is a part of the game.
	And make no mistake, it's a game.
	And there's a big reason why we don't have video on this show.
	Right, we don't need the aggravation.
	We don't need the aggravation of being told.
	I mean, I've heard my whole professional life, I've been a dumb dude.
	A dumb blonde.
	And I really have never cared, ever.
	But when you say it about a woman, and you say, boy, if I say a million times on this show, she's hot, oh man, she's smoking hot, God, she's so beautiful.
	No complaints.
	Never a complaint.
	When you say, oh man, she used to be hot, not anymore, then all hell breaks loose.
	You're a sexist!
	Misogynist!
	Yeah.
	I didn't pay that much attention to it.
	No, I got...
	The woman, I heard her and saw her on her thing, and she moaned about it.
	She said, we're anti-science.
	They actually were very...
	Her and I guess her brother or somebody else who came on.
	I just blocked them, but...
	They went on about, oh, these two idiots are old white dudes.
	I mean, they go off.
	This is the kind of people who, once a little criticism hits them, they turn into the biggest bigots.
	Who is worse than that, John?
	Ageist, sexist.
	Yes!
	It's racist, racist, ageist, sexist, racist.
	This one guy says we should kill ourselves.
	Slit your wrists, he says to us.
	This is, like, unbelievable when I saw that.
	What kind of person would say that unless they're sick?
	I draw the line.
	I mean, you can say anything you want.
	But when you start calling me a Republican, that's when I get angry.
	Oh, yeah, that's another one.
	Everyone's a Republican.
	Oh.
	If you're just not a checklist liberal, you're a Republican.
	That's not true.
	Most Republicans nowadays have bailed from the Republican Party.
	I'm registered independent.
	You can check it out.
	Not a Republican.
	But every single one of these women...
	I just pointed out to them, I say, can you tell me, can you look me in the eye and tell me you've never made a joke about Donald Trump's hair?
	And they can't, because they've all done it.
	You see, when you turn that around, and there's a much larger conversation that I'm preparing, not for today, about this Agenda 21, promotion of women, and I have some problems with this.
	I really do.
	Well, Agenda 21 is problematic.
	Yeah.
	But just the way that it's being done, and I have some disagreements.
	Unfortunately, there's a lot of women around me, so I've got to watch my back.
	I have to be very, very, very prepared.
	I have to be very, very prepared before I do anything on this topic.
	However, I'm very happy to hear that DefSecWonk, or what was it?
	NatSecWonk called Valerie Jarrett a Vapus...
	What do you call her?
	Vacuous.
	Vacuous Cypher.
	I gotta write that down.
	That's a good one.
	I am your Vacuous Cypher, member of the Presidential Innovation Fellows.
	Vacuous Cypher.
	That's great.
	Well, I read a lot of the tweets.
	I didn't read them all.
	I think we can go over that.
	The list that's on, which came from Scribd.com, which is the capture of the entire Twitter stream before it was vacated.
	And I recommend people actually download it and save it, because I think that'll be pulled.
	When you go to the show notes, 559.nashownotes.com, that is an offline copy.
	Okay, which is better.
	Yeah, duh, of course.
	As we've learned over the years, you have to make copies of things that are online that are controversial because they get pulled.
	They'll use any excuse to pull them because nobody wants to make waves.
	Right.
	It's got some gems in there.
	This guy was inside and he was essentially a fly on the wall, even though he was in there, but he was acting as a fly on the wall, just picking up...
	Just beautiful little observations.
	And the fact that CNN would go after him like this as some sort of a high school mean girl is kind of missing the point of the whole thing.
	We had a view of the inside of the White House that you would otherwise not get.
	And yeah, it was mean spirited.
	But it's probably because of what you observed.
	You can get pretty angry when you start seeing certain kinds of things happening in front of your eyes.
	And if you think you can get away with an anonymous tweet, then you'll do it.
	Now, the best comment I've seen on this looking at various news items was...
	It was this guy, you know, the commenters at the end of the item.
	The guy says, geez, it took two years for the NSA to finally figure out who this guy was?
	And the way they did it apparently is by leaking some particular information to him and then waited for it to tweet out and then they said, okay, we only gave it to you.
	That is, of course, the way to get somebody.
	This is one of the ways, if you have confidential documents, that oftentimes they're coded, so everybody gets a slightly different version.
	And if they get leaked, you can see what your version is.
	They do this, they used to do this, I don't think they do it so much anymore, but in the early days of sending out screeners, Hollywood would put different kinds of codes.
	Oh yeah, the screener VHS tapes, you mean?
	Right.
	If you had a VHS screener and you made a copy of it and it got into the public domain, there would be a code embedded in the screener that was specifically your code.
	Yours.
	I think this is a part of something bigger, John, and that's why you're seeing this type of attack from the government media, the CNN. I mean, I'm sorry.
	They're so all in on this.
	Not with what the people want.
	I think that if you just look down the list, what we've seen in this, besides healthcare.gov, which, you know, I think that's just pure incompetence, but if you see France, Oh, we spied on 70 million French, and we spied on you.
	And the Dutch, we tapped 1.8 million Dutch phone numbers.
	And, oh yeah, and by the way, Le Monde has this information.
	And then Merkel.
	Her phone.
	Her cell phone, her Nokia phone.
	They found, after this, by the way.
	I can tell you that today President Obama and Chancellor Merkel spoke by telephone regarding the allegations that you mentioned, that the U.S. National Security Agency intercepted the communications of the German Chancellor, and I can tell you that the President assured the Chancellor that the United States is not monitoring and will not monitor the communications of...
	Is not, will not.
	Never does he say didn't.
	That was where local news media picked up on that.
	Oh, yeah?
	They actually picked up on the fact that he...
	And I think there may have been some direct questions about this.
	Yeah, there's a follow-up here.
	The United States greatly values our post-cooperation with Germany on a broad range of shared security challenges.
	As the President has said, the U.S. is reviewing the way that we gather intelligence to ensure that we properly balance the security concerns of our citizens and...
	Boy, it sounds so natural when you're reading, Jay.
	...allies with the privacy concerns that all people share.
	Both leaders agreed to intensify further the cooperation between our intelligence...
	And by the way, I love how we are spying on people to protect our allies, not just our American citizens, but we actually claim out loud that we're protecting you.
	You there.
	France.
	...services with the goal of protecting the security of both countries and of our partners.
	Partners.
	And our partners, John.
	Yeah.
	Our partners.
	It's protecting the privacy of our citizens.
	Thank you.
	And when you say, pardon me, not monitoring, does that leave the door open to the possibility of the NSA as part of a broader sweep?
	We've picked up some of our communications, but we're not, quote unquote.
	Oh my God, it's a good question!
	All I can tell you is what the President told the Chancellor.
	The United States is not monitoring and will not monitor the communications of the Chancellor.
	Yeah, right.
	Thank you.
	There's one guy, do you know John Batchelor?
	You ever heard this guy?
	Oh yeah, the John Batchelor show.
	He's a radio guy.
	He's a third tier guy.
	Yeah.
	Big, deep, booming voice.
	However, a lot of...
	Insiders that I know in the D.C. area say he's usually spot on and really has good intel and knows what's happening.
	He's a little weird, bow-tie type guy, like Bill Nye, the science guy.
	He podcasts his radio shows, so I listen to some of it from time to time.
	Here's what he had to say on the Merkle thing.
	I think this is super serious.
	I think the suggestion is that it has happened, and I think this is a sharp break, a very bad breakdown between Berlin and Washington.
	The Chancellor is very angry, and she grew up under the Stasi.
	This is a Stasi-like maneuver, and she right now is more than just a little annoyed, Larry.
	This is going to cause damage throughout Europe.
	She is very pissed!
	And yesterday...
	That's the impression I get.
	I watched a lot of the Euronews and some of these overseas broadcasts, and there is nothing like Jay Carney said, well, they both agreed.
	I don't think they agreed on anything.
	I think she chewed him out, and she's extremely, from what I can tell, like you said, pissed off.
	Well, the European Union Parliament voted yesterday...
	For U.S. access to the global financial database to be suspended because of concerns the United States is snooping on the database for financial gain rather than just to combat terrorism.
	Listen very carefully to what I just said.
	My old theory.
	Uh-huh.
	And the Strasbourg-based parliament, because they switch it up every month or so, voted 280 in favor, 254 against, 30 abstentions in the non-binding vote.
	What kind of government are you people running?
	Non-binding vote.
	Why vote at all?
	This is so dumb.
	But listen again.
	They are worried...
	That the United States has access to this global financial database, and I believe it's all the financial payment system.
	And the concerns are that we're snooping on the database for financial gain.
	Yes!
	Yes, yes, yes!
	You can take that to the bank.
	You really can, in fact...
	You can take that to the bank.
	We are so corrupt.
	So incredibly corrupt, what is going on right now.
	And I think that when you look at this NatSec wonk, when you look at...
	I mean, since when is Snowden in touch with LeMond?
	Oh, I'm sorry, he has a new partner all of a sudden?
	Actually, the article is co-written by Glenn Greenwald.
	Okay.
	And I have a big thing about it.
	It must be just...
	I mean, what was that report that came out of that Texas operation that says we've got to get rid of Glenn Greenwald?
	Stratfor?
	Yeah, Stratfor.
	But it's...
	Where is Snowden right now?
	He's in Russia.
	This, I think, is probably partially at least related to TTIP. This is a big F.U. Obama coming from Russia.
	A really, really, really big one.
	The Russians can do these kinds of games, and I think we take the Russians a little too for granted.
	Lightly, yeah, yeah.
	Now, this is very serious.
	Because this is a good play by them if they're the ones that are really behind this.
	And it's quite possible.
	I mean, Glenn Greenwald's a really old-fashioned, progressive, socialist type.
	I mean, as far as we know, and Snowden's coincidence is in Russia, let's add two and two here.
	Let's open our eyes.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	That's all you have to do, is just take a look and see what's going on.
	And everything is...
	I mean, the Obama administration could not have a worse time of everything.
	I'm not so sure, you know...
	That there's sabotage involved in his key legacy legislation that is supposed to make him the president of the health.gov?
	Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
	I don't think so either.
	I don't think you had to sabotage that.
	Putin, here's how the meeting went.
	Don't worry.
	They'll fuck that up themselves.
	Yeah.
	They have no Russian programmers on here.
	Oh, okay.
	I got it.
	So there was another one of these cyber conferences.
	And the cyber conference is nothing more than a bunch of consultants...
	All, you know, hopping around trying to get money out of the government.
	So who's there?
	It's Hayden, it's Chertoff, it's, oh gosh, who's the Rogers?
	Name their list of the corrupts.
	Rogers, you know, so Rogers is...
	Oh, Rogers, that guy's the worst.
	He is in charge of security in the Senate.
	Is he not, is it Senator or Congressman?
	No, he's the Congressman.
	But so he's in charge of this stuff.
	Feinstein's ahead of the Senate side.
	Right.
	And so he's...
	And they've got all the consultants.
	And I just need to play two little bits here.
	Let's see.
	Here's Hayden.
	And of course, all we can do is scare the public and get ready for legislation so we can...
	The big bonanza of money...
	And it's all about cyber, cyber, cyber, cyber!
	The way I parse it is I talk about cyber sins and cyber sinners.
	Cyber sins and cyber sinners!
	Here we go!
	I really wonder if Hayden can even use a computer.
	It doesn't matter.
	Just listen to his rap.
	He's a smooth talker.
	His rap is awesome.
	So let me just rack up the sins.
	Rack up the sins.
	There's the most prominent one out there, and that's just Ross stealing your stuff.
	It's cyber espionage.
	You mean what we do?
	Yeah.
	What do you mean what we do?
	What do you mean?
	That's what we do.
	That's what the U.S. does.
	We steal stuff.
	By the way, in Idaho, the U.S. District Court ruled that if you call yourself a hacker, your Fourth Amendment rights are essentially gone.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Where did you get that one?
	U.S. District Court for the State of Idaho ruled that an ICS product developer's computer could be seized without him being notified or even heard from in court primarily because he states on his website, quote, we like hacking things and don't want to stop.
	So if you use that term, you are essentially, if you use the word hacking, you're essentially saying that, you know, I could be rogue.
	It's in the show notes.
	Which is somewhat ironic, because hacking has never meant that.
	It's always been cracking.
	Cracking, yeah.
	But, you know, that term has been muddied by the media.
	All right, onward with you.
	Well, that's a...
	Okay, go on.
	...state purposes.
	It's done for commercial purposes.
	It's done for criminal purposes.
	And then there's cyber activity to disrupt your network, to actually not just steal your material, but actually make it more difficult.
	To use your own infrastructure for whatever purposes you've built it.
	And then finally, and this has been rare to date, but it's going to become more common, it's to use a weapon comprised of ones and zeros.
	Oh, John, back up!
	It's a weapon of ones and zeros in duct tape!
	To control someone else's network, to then use that control to create not cyber damage, but to create physical damage.
	You mean like what we did in Iran?
	Well, interesting you say that.
	And the poster child for that, obviously, is Stuxnet.
	He's actually taking credit for doing it!
	...and the destruction of what Iran could only describe as their critical infrastructure.
	Yeah.
	He's just saying it.
	He's just saying it right there.
	Hey, that's the poster child.
	How can you do this?
	I mean, this is like...
	We rock!
	This is an act of war.
	We rock!
	Those are the sins.
	The sinners.
	Oh, that's the sins.
	Now, who are the sinners?
	Our state actors.
	Oh, yeah!
	Yeah, USA. Criminal gangs.
	And then a third group.
	USA. It's very hard for me to define.
	Fairly amorphous.
	Amorphous.
	Disaffected.
	I think vapus...
	I can't remember how to say it.
	Vacuous ciphers.
	Vacuous ciphers.
	Those with perhaps difficult to understand and even more difficult to satisfy demands.
	Yes, that would be us, John.
	We demand money.
	We demand donations.
	It's very difficult to understand these people, these Republicans.
	And blessedly, if you look at this taxonomy of sinners, the most competent are up here at the state level, and then criminals, and then this third group.
	I love it how he said the most competent are up here at the state level.
	He's just calling himself a competent warmonger.
	It's unbelievable, this guy.
	And that's good.
	I mean, states can behave badly, but states have to be aware of consequences.
	Well, the subtext here, we might as well hold it for a second.
	Go for it.
	The subtext here is, to people listening, is not through the no agenda lens.
	They're listening from the...
	Oh!
	They're talking about China!
	Oh, no.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no.
	This is why I brought it up.
	Here is the...
	Thank you for that segue.
	Here is Lewis, I think the CEO of CSIS Technology, which is...
	He's up on the dais, so he's in.
	He's got the contract.
	To echo something that General Hayden said, though, I was talking to...
	I was a member of a European intelligence service a couple weeks ago who said that in their view there are 20 or 30, somewhere between 20 and 30 high-end criminal groups that have the capabilities of a nation state when it comes to cyber activities.
	And that these groups, most of them live in a country that begins with the letter R. You know, that's bulk, by the way.
	Most of them live in the country that begins with the letter U. Yeah, the United States.
	Well, that's funny, but the Ukraine is where these guys...
	If you want to start something up that you don't want to ever get caught, you do it in the Ukraine, but you have to work with the gangsters.
	But the point is, he's on the inside, and he's being told, it's the Russians, man, this frickin' Putin guy.
	Why can't he just say Russia?
	It's the letter R. Yeah, really?
	Now you're talking about acting like a mean girl, a two-year-old.
	Yeah, it starts with the letter R. Why doesn't he say Russia?
	I don't know.
	You want to hear the rest of Hayden?
	No, I want to hear more of this guy.
	It's not Romania.
	It's not Romania.
	It could be...
	Let me see.
	It's not Romania.
	It could be...
	Boy, this is really hard.
	Fonda.
	Rwanda?
	These groups are focused heavily on the financial sector, and they're looking for ways to get money.
	Unlike the Americans who are in your database, hello Europe, looking for ways to steal your money and bet against you.
	God!
	People, we need a revolt.
	And that we're seeing this diffusion of capabilities, the commoditization of cyberattacks, so that people are going to be able to go online and buy them.
	No, you can go on Amazon S3. And order a cyberattack.
	You can order an instance of a cyberattack.
	You can start up an instance.
	It's a commodity.
	How much is a cyberattack?
	What kind of a cyberattack do you want?
	Do they have a little laundry list?
	An aisle of service attack?
	That's literally what you're saying.
	You can rack up your page views on your advertising.
	There's all kinds of things you can do.
	What is that thing called on Amazon when you set up an EC2, an instance?
	It has a name like a...
	What is it called?
	I don't know.
	I-A-S. I'll come back to it.
	I-Tools that will let them go after targets that we might...
	I-Tools.
	I think it's A-M-I. Yeah, Amazon Machine Image.
	That's what it is.
	You just order up an Amazon EC2 AMI. I kind of thought we're safe a year or two ago.
	So there's been some progress, certainly in the last few years.
	There'd be more progress if we could pass the darn bill in the house.
	But...
	What darn bill?
	Well, this is funny because he screws it up.
	He screws it up.
	Listen.
	Well, the Senate.
	Pass the House's bill.
	Oh, sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	The Senate.
	Idiot.
	I'd like to see your bill become law.
	Yeah, of course you do.
	What bill is this?
	It's the Bonanza bill.
	Who knows what bill it is?
	It's a bill for money.
	And all right, I'll finish it off with Rogers, the congressman who's in charge of cybersecurity oversight of the NSA, essentially.
	He's on the committee.
	And, well, besides, of course, giving this guy, this Lewis guy, billions of dollars, no doubt, for bullcrap, so we can't start up our Amazon EC2 AMI instances to commoditize cyber attacks, we also have to educate the stupid slaves.
	How would you do that, John?
	If you were a congressman, and, you know, let's say you and I are both in Congress, And we need to educate people about cyber security.
	Hmm, what should we do?
	I think we should do some PSAs.
	What do you think, John?
	I think PSAs are good.
	They worked very well for the music industry.
	What do you think?
	We need a mascot.
	Ooh, a mascot.
	A mascot.
	That's always got the kids.
	The kids love the mascots.
	They love a mascot.
	A giant chicken.
	Well, you can wait for it, people.
	So what we're trying to accomplish is this.
	About 80% of the threat, roughly, is something that the private sector can absolutely handle.
	We can handle through education.
	You know, the Freddy the Firewall PSA is coming to you real soon about how you can protect your own network.
	I can't wait.
	You're on a roll today.
	Freddy the Firewall.
	Hey, kids, it's Freddy the Firewall.
	Do you want to keep bad Russians, I mean, people from countries with a letter that starts with R, out of your computer?
	Well, you don't have a computer because you only have an iPad.
	You can't actually learn how to do anything on it.
	But Freddy's going to protect you.
	It's Freddy the Firewall.
	Woo-hoo-hoo!
	Hey, I think you found your voiceover gig.
	Hey!
	Hey, kids!
	You can't watch porn!
	It can't get in because Freddy the Firewall is protecting you!
	Oh!
	Oh, no!
	You can't download the podcast from the No Agenda show!
	Freddy the Firewall protecting you!
	I think you're right.
	I got one.
	I nailed it.
	I should do all of them.
	You nailed it!
	I got it.
	I got it.
	You should do a bunch of PSAs.
	I need scripts.
	Run them on the show.
	I need scripts.
	Oh, I can write you scripts.
	Write me some scripts.
	Hey, kids, it's Freddy the Firewall!
	Yeah, I think I can replicate it.
	It's Freddy the Firewall!
	Look at my voice!
	Yeah, I think you can nail that over and over.
	It's because it's a voice that you...
	Well, you don't commonly do that voice ever.
	It's brand new, invented right here.
	You can do that.
	I think now you can just jump to it.
	Okay, ready?
	Freddy the Firewall!
	I'm plugging all the holes!
	I like the cracking part, too, with the voice.
	Freddy the Firewall says, plug your halls, kids!
	Plug your ports!
	What do I see there, little Tina?
	Do you have an open port?
	Maybe the Firewall won't be happy!
	Okay.
	Hey, let me say this.
	In the morning to you, John C. DeVorek!
	Well, in the morning to you, Adam Curry, in the morning to Freddy the Firewall, in the morning to all the ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	Yeah, in the morning, everyone there in the chat room, human resources, good to see you.
	NoagendaStream.com, NoagendaChat.net.
	In the morning to all of our artists.
	Jackie Girl, thank you so much for the album art for episode 5.
	Apparently the updated podcast app on the iOS is not showing.
	The new album art.
	We're not sure why.
	I don't think we're doing anything differently, but some people have had luck by deleting it, reinstalling it.
	You know, it's a glitch.
	It's just a little glitch.
	No worries.
	And, of course, you can always see what the latest art is in all submissions at NoahArtGenerator.com.
	And we have some executive producers to thank for today's show.
	Yeah, we do.
	As we're approaching show...
	Our show that commemorates our sixth anniversary, which is on the 28th, which is coming right up.
	We are getting people helping us to celebrate.
	In fact, our next show will be the last show before the 28th.
	Right, and we'll make that our anniversary show.
	On the 27th.
	Okay, got it.
	Yeah, that would be good.
	So we had an instant night.
	Peter Wiesner in Apple Valley, Minnesota came in with $1,000.
	Although it came in on my spreadsheet as XXXX. If you expand your columns.
	Ah, there it is.
	Yes, I realize you can make these cells bigger.
	Anyway.
	It's crazy.
	He...
	Started off by talking about Leo Laporte when he was doing his IPO called Play Money because they bought Instagram for a billion dollars.
	Then John looked up a put of Facebook.
	Then I'm listening to Max Keiser and he called it a pump and dump.
	This is all true for the first six months of it in the market.
	I emailed Adam saying I did not have the guts to buy the FB IPO, a Facebook put, but I have been trading for the last three months.
	I started with $1,150 and now up to $4,400.
	If you're in Congress, of course, you'd be a millionaire by now.
	Could one of you or John ask Leo what he thinks of the upcoming Twitter IPO? So I guess he plays...
	He plays Leo's advice.
	I guess, or as the opposite.
	The opposite.
	Yeah.
	Which, by the way, is a technique a lot of people use for a lot of stock analysts.
	That's a great idea!
	In the Sunday show, if you guys could give me two stocks that are going to shit the bed, it would be great.
	I made 2K on JCPenney going out of business.
	I need more stocks to look at.
	All right.
	I'm not good at that.
	We can't advise any stocks.
	Yeah, listen to the DHM plug show.
	You get some ideas.
	However, Peter, thank you so much for sharing the wealth.
	We really appreciate that.
	Instant night today.
	That's fantastic.
	Very nice.
	We love the instant nights.
	Very nice.
	Thank you so much.
	Ashley Jones in Provo, Utah, 66666 to celebrate our anniversary.
	In the morning, John and Adam, after learning that Adam is looking into Satanism, I decided a Mark of the Peace donation would be in order.
	Looking into it?
	What do you mean?
	I'm all in.
	What do you mean looking into it?
	Satanism today, wife swapping tomorrow.
	This donation will complete my knighthood since I donated 333 at the Hot Pucket store in SLC. I'd like to be dubbed Sir Jack Mormon Justin.
	Hail Satan!
	Hail Satan!
	Sir Jack Mormon Justin.
	I've got to write this down.
	Sir Jack Mormon Justin.
	This is never in the notes.
	I have to do it manually.
	Andrew Gamble, 66666, another one of our friends.
	Another sack of sixes, very nice.
	Big sack of sixes, Spring Creek, Nevada.
	Francis and Irene, ITM, please accept a six-anniversary special donation early, vaulting me into the realm of knighthood.
	I gave this donation in an effort to get the boners off their asses.
	By the way...
	Karma to all those who support the show.
	Yes.
	I report I am ready for the food riots.
	I would like to be known as Sir Oscar...
	Let me see.
	Okay, so I take some of it back.
	Sir Oscar.
	He needs a...
	Karma?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	You've got karma.
	I take it back.
	Eric actually had Sir Mormon Justin, but he didn't have Sir Oscar.
	We got like super knightage today.
	This is great.
	Today is a record breaker for knighthoods.
	A lot of people went over the top.
	And we have to commend them and we have to put this in the book as a record.
	I think they timed it.
	I think a lot of people timed it.
	To be, you know, just leading up to the 6th anniversary, a lot of people came in.
	Maybe they'll time it again for the Sunday show.
	Wow.
	Peter McConnell, $399.96.
	From your lips to Satan's ears.
	Out of $399.96 from Peter McConnell from Stockholm, New Jersey.
	Greetings from Suzhou.
	He's actually in China.
	Stockholm, New Jersey, and Suzhou.
	Nice.
	Suzhou is a nice town.
	It's the foot of the Silk Road.
	It's funny, throughout China, you go floating around China, and every time you go to these towns like Suzhou, they say, oh yeah, we're on the Silk Road.
	It's like every town in China somehow is on the Silk Road.
	That thing must have been really poorly engineered.
	Do they have signs that say, Silk Road this way?
	Silk Road.
	Gentlemen, thank you for your courage.
	I haven't donated in a while.
	I recently came into some money.
	Here's a 6x sack of sixes in honor of six years of the best podcast in the universe.
	In addition to completing my knighthood, I hope this meager offering will make up for the not-so-kind words my wife had for Miss Mickey after hearing her thoughts on eugenics and the Chinese in episode 552.
	I'd like to remind you, Miss Mickey's idea of saving the world is kill all the Chinese.
	She said that?
	Well, not exactly.
	But that's how it came out on the show.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, that would generate some anger.
	Also, as perhaps one of your only listeners in mainland China, actually we have a couple.
	Yeah.
	I can confirm that in no way do they support or promote the 1010 here.
	No, they wouldn't, because the 1010 celebration is a Taiwanese thing.
	Right.
	It's not a Chinese thing.
	I thought it was a Chinese thing.
	I misunderstood, too.
	I thought I made it clear, but I guess I didn't.
	I wasn't listening.
	Well, nobody was.
	The logic is simple.
	PR China does not recognize the RO, Republic of China, as a sovereign state.
	In other words, People's Republic of.
	And therefore does not celebrate or even note Taiwan's so-called National Day.
	Indeed, my students' first year at university are not even aware of the significance of the date.
	Wow.
	Of course, keep the information from them.
	Why should they know?
	PR China's National Week begins in October, the first week, and the biggest celebration here is the biggest celebration here next to the Chinese New Year, of course.
	Anyway, one simple request for my nighting.
	Can it be the opium and warm orange juice?
	In lieu of titties and beer.
	Well, I don't think we ever had titties and beer, but I really like the opium and warm orange juice, which is, of course, your tip.
	And by the way, I had that in the town of Suzhou.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	That's what he knows all about it, my friend.
	Nice.
	John Zentveld in Nooribar, New South Wales, 345.
	Hello from Gitmo down under Eastside.
	I'm well overdue to support the program after being a long-time listener.
	If we could have some business sale karma in our time of need, it would be most appreciated.
	Absolutely, John Zonfeld.
	And here's Freddie to tell you he has some karma.
	You've got karma.
	I've got to save my voice.
	Yes, save your voice for the firewall guy.
	David Julian, 33333, Morgan Hill, California, our buddy.
	Blue.
	Fire hydrant.
	No agenda.
	Love it.
	Wait, isn't he a knight by now?
	Or like a super knight?
	It should be.
	We'll call him Sir David.
	Yeah, we got to because this is...
	Yeah, he's been giving us this, saying this little meme for people out there.
	If you don't know what we're talking about, blue fire hydrant, no agenda, go listen to the last show.
	Byrar.com is an associate executive producer from Omaha, Nebraska, $250.
	You're a friendly producer from Be Brass Nuts.
	I was cynical here before I found no agenda.
	Your show just helped me realize I was right more often than I had hoped!
	Which, by the way, is a classic response to this show once you start listening to it.
	The people that we have as listeners, I should remind everyone, are people who have always watched the news with some cynicism and they've said, that can't be right.
	But no one has ever come out like we do and do the kind of research to prove that that isn't right.
	And what we've been thinking all along is correct.
	Or even have the audacity to question.
	And here's how it happens.
	We question.
	We mock.
	And then people start sending us information.
	And then before you know it, it turns out our hunch was right.
	Sir Bereslaw Marinoff in Eliso Viejo, California.
	$200 to be a last associate executive producer.
	The lowball karma worked.
	I bid $39,000 under the asking price.
	Now send a loan approval and financial karma.
	Thank you and good luck.
	I know how we can do that.
	You can take that to the bank.
	There you go.
	You've got karma.
	Financial and loan karma.
	And let me just read it one more time.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	Miss Mickey does not want to kill all Chinese.
	Well, maybe too late.
	No, no, no.
	The blade came around the door.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	I just wanted to make sure you all heard it.
	I'm glad that she listens once in a while.
	She always listens.
	Let me tell you.
	My wife listens to every single episode.
	If she has an appointment, go somewhere, she'll listen to it later.
	Every single episode.
	We don't give a crap about the show anymore.
	She used to listen to it when she was driving a lot.
	Yeah.
	But now she's not driving.
	This is the only problem we have with our show.
	It tends to be for people who are driving around a lot, which is most of the public.
	You know what a lot of people do?
	They clean their house listening to the show.
	Yeah, a lot of people use the show as an exercise because some of the stuff that we bring up is so aggravating.
	You really want to bike.
	I want to bike more.
	Well, thank you very much to this stellar list of executive producers and associate executive producers.
	I feel so superior to Hollywood.
	I mean, this is superior to what Netflix is doing, to what anyone's doing.
	And we have the people who want the show supporting the show.
	And not just financially, but with information and insight and experience, quite honestly.
	I got a...
	We get so much...
	I got an email here.
	Just an example.
	Just a little example.
	Adam, I'm a criminal defense attorney in Los Angeles.
	I'm sitting in court now listening to a bail hearing in regards to the kid who put a couple of dry ice bottles at LAX. If this judge says post 9-11 world one more time, I'm going to have an aneurysm.
	Anyway, so he says, hey, you know, I'm happy to chat on my perspective, fill you in on anything you need to know, just keep me anonymous.
	That's the kind of people we have listening.
	We're sitting there listening to this crap and know that it's crap and go home and have understanding and watch the news or read the news and the paper and see that the reporting is crap.
	The reporting is dreadful.
	It's dreadful crap.
	Before you say so again, I want to remind people to go to Dvorak.org slash NA. Sunday will be the 6th anniversary show.
	Go to Dvorak.org slash NA. Help us celebrate.
	Go to...
	ChannelDivorek.com slash NA. Or if you hit No Agenda Show or NoAgendaNation.com, you can find a button to push.
	But Divorek.org slash NA. And we'll have a nice Sunday to discuss the next six years.
	Divorek.org slash NA. Donate enough to be your night someday.
	I look forward to that episode.
	I've got some things to say.
	Please propagate our formula in the meantime.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out...
	We hit people in the mouth.
	You can take that to the bank.
	Shut up, Steve.
	you If you would indulge me for just a moment longer, John, because we had to thank our execs and associate execs, but I was kind of on a roll here about the cyber and the stuff that's going on and the meeting and the media and how things are being reported on, and I think I stumbled upon something pretty big.
	That is right up our alley, and I think I'm actually very, very interested, and this involves Glenn Greenwald, who I am usually quite critical of, but this may be very, very interesting.
	I think I figured out what they are going to do.
	And I started my research and the first thing I found was an interview on NPR, our national treasure, who of course have absolutely no interest in promoting anything alternative to them.
	And they had on Jay Rosen, who is, is he a professor?
	He teaches journalism at NYU. I think he's a Presidential Innovation Fellow.
	I don't think so.
	Is he a Vaca cipher?
	More along those lines.
	Uh-oh, uh-oh.
	Quick, say something about his appearance, so we can distract.
	So here's just a setup, and then I'll tell you where it went from there.
	New York University journalism professor and founder of the PressThink blog says Omidyar told him that he wants to build a new kind of news organization.
	So this is about the...
	The rumored $250 million commitment.
	I heard this interview, and it was on that show that they have on the National Treasure.
	On the media.
	On the media.
	And yeah, give a little background on Omidyar.
	Omidyar.
	Pierre.
	Pierre Omidyar.
	Pierre is the founder of eBay, multi-billionaire.
	And as it turns out, quite a few people in technology...
	Are getting into the news business.
	Of course, we have Jeff Bezos, who bought the Washington Post for $250 million.
	This was the impetus for Omidyar to say he's going to commit $250 million to this new venture with Greenwald, Skyhill, and Laura Poitras.
	The big three that are always on Democracy Now!
	The team!
	But also know that...
	Steve Jobs' widow invested in OZ Media, which is, you know, there's a couple of people in there.
	I don't know this.
	Now you're going to have to stop for a second and tell me more.
	OZ Media, a new startup.
	With her investment, she joins a group that includes angel investor Ron Conway, Larry Sonsini.
	Sonsini is huge.
	Sonsini is a law firm.
	Yes.
	But Larry Sonsini is investing in this...
	Wilson Sonsini has always been Apple's law firm.
	So that's logical.
	Dan Rosenzweig...
	Well, they need a lawyer to run a big media company.
	You need lawyers, man.
	David Drummond, Google's chief legal officer.
	I can see that she's going to be sued by Oz Media Works.
	I can see that coming down Broadway.
	But if you look, if you just kind of look out over the new media realm, we have nothing but venture-backed investment, no news organizations that are just, other than, by the way, a few like the No Agenda show, That have no investment, no strings attached.
	I mean, if you look at Vice...
	Oh, they all have strings attached.
	I mean, Pando, I think, is the best example of a media company that was started, Sarah Lacey's operation, started with venture capitalists giving her a lot of money to write positive things.
	Well, I would say it started more with TechCrunch, where...
	TechCrunch, right, right.
	That's where it was modeled after, because she came out of TechCrunch.
	But even Huffington Post, you know, it was losing its shirt, you know, before it teamed up with AOL. And AOL is, of course, I think, I believe, still losing money.
	Vox Media, BuzzFeed, Business Insider.
	BuzzFeed is one of the progenitors and one of the main players when it comes to native advertising.
	Yes.
	In fact, it's often cited as one of the examples of how great this is.
	And I think what you're seeing here with all these venture capital and people getting involved is they see, and believe me, I would start a little company on the side too, Besides the no agenda, the no agenda show I'd be telling the truth in an adult media company would be the native advertising company.
	You might as well just put nothing but ads.
	Hey kids, it's Freddy the Firewall!
	Yeah, put Freddy in there, put the General Electric guy in there, put the Freddy Kilowatt, you know, just take as much money as you can.
	All right, so that's what this is all about in my opinion.
	Well, here's what's interesting.
	And it really came out in a weird way.
	But I think most people are interested in, A, why did Greenwald...
	Why did this come out?
	You know, apparently it was leaked.
	We'll get into that in a second.
	What are they going to do with $250 million?
	Because there's lots and lots of questions.
	Oh, my God.
	And I think journalism in general is in such a state of flux that there should be a lot of interest.
	So, of course, what do we do is we call the expert Jay Rosen.
	Jay Rosen.
	You want, first of all, to find more people like Glenn Greenwald who are independent journalists who have subject matter expertise, that's very important to him, as well as their own voice, as well as an online following.
	And then provide them with a platform and tools and support.
	He also believes that you need to bring the work of such journalists to a broader audience than their niches might allow them on their own.
	They're bitches.
	Okay.
	So, clearly, it's like, he knows nothing.
	Now, here's what happened.
	There is this, I think it's a podcast in Germany, called Jung and Naive.
	Which I think is young and naive.
	Young and naive.
	And I know that you've had this happen to you, John.
	You're on the road.
	Maybe you're doing a press tour or whatever.
	And you're in a hotel.
	And it's like, you know...
	And either you've set it up or you're a press agent or whoever's arranging the speech that you're doing.
	Hey, you know, we've got these local guys and they really want to do an interview with you.
	Yeah, it happens all the time.
	Right?
	And what happens when you do these interviews?
	You let your guard down.
	Because you're like, oh, this is just some stupid little German thing.
	Some guy who can barely speak English.
	Yeah, I don't let my guard down because I don't have a guard.
	So Jeremy Skyhill...
	Is in Germany.
	And he's in a hotel.
	And he's in this video interview.
	I pulled a couple.
	It was so phenomenal because he is such an amateur.
	He completely spills everything.
	Everything about what is going on.
	Oh, that's funny.
	Before you play this, I want to add to this because it was...
	There was a huge kind of a...
	Apparently Pierre found this annoying that the whole idea of this thing that he was developing was leaked.
	And I've always been convinced that Scahill can't keep his mouth shut.
	It wasn't Scahill.
	Oh, so he says who it was.
	Let's get into it.
	Okay, play it.
	And please, with the knowledge, know that the WikiLeaks movie opened up to a whopping $1.6 million box office.
	So that's a complete failure.
	That movie is closing as we speak.
	Wow!
	I didn't know this either.
	You got me done three or four things today.
	You got to get up early in the morning, Dvorak.
	I get up early in the morning.
	That's the problem.
	I'm dazed.
	About three o'clock, I'm kind of zoned out.
	So either the promotion was wrong, or it's also possible no one gives a crap.
	I think the second is the rationale.
	I think you're right.
	And I think that has opened up an opportunity.
	But let's listen first to Skyhill about the leak.
	He's not hiring us.
	We're not employees.
	This is something we're doing as a collaborative project.
	And we're going to be bringing on board some really exciting young journalists and also some veteran journalists to work with us.
	And, you know, it's still in its...
	You know, word of it got leaked.
	We all deal in the world of leaks.
	Someone leaked that we were doing this.
	I have no idea who it was.
	Now...
	Now, right there, I want to say, how can you be trusted?
	I would never trust him now.
	You can't even keep your own plans secret?
	Or, Glenn Greenwald planned it, because as far as I can tell, the news was broken, quote-unquote, on BuzzFeed with an interview with Glenn Greenwald, and BuzzFeed didn't say that it was leaked or anything.
	They just have an interview with the guy, and he's the one that leaked it.
	And I think it's related to...
	What's happening with this movie and WikiLeaks and The Stance?
	I'm not happy about it, but I don't have the power to prosecute them like Obama does.
	I was going to say that.
	Right, I'm going to go after that.
	I'm going to hunt them down and smoke them out and pull some George Bush...
	By the way, stop.
	I don't have the power of the blah, blah, blah.
	That whole line.
	I heard him on another show.
	Saying the same thing?
	Delivering that line almost verbatim.
	So he's rehearsed his shtick.
	Which I always find annoying, by the way.
	I think it's worse.
	I think he's so disinterested in this that he's just rattling off whatever's coming to mind.
	But the kid, the guy in this...
	I've got to find out who that is.
	uh tilo jung is good and every single time he asked a question he got a dumb answer the next question was the question i would have asked i'm really impressed with this with this with our german brother here so once it was out there then we you know we were sort of in a position where we had to kind of tell people where it was at but it's still you know we're still in the strategic stage of it and figuring out but i think it's gonna be extremely exciting and um i think we're gonna be producing some really hard-hitting journalism okay so So, of course, what we want to know is what exactly is it going to be?
	How is it going to work?
	Is this a new model?
	And our German, I'm going to call him our German correspondent.
	I think this guy should be a part of our family.
	He's so good.
	He's going to love it!
	Okay, well, play it.
	Play on.
	What do you want to do differently?
	A lot of media, and one of the reasons why we're really excited about working with Pierre is that he said that he didn't want to have a top-down model of editorial process where editors are telling reporters what to do.
	So we're going to develop more of a horizontal model.
	Sure.
	No, but wait.
	You're having the exact same response I had at first, and then it dawned on me what's taking place here.
	So bear with it.
	But if you listen to this, you're like, this is the dumbest idea ever.
	This is like letting the noodles kid run noodles.
	Exactly.
	Editors are supporting the work of the journalists, but that it's going to be a journalism-driven website.
	We're not just trying to fill positions with people.
	We're trying to bring people on board based on a proven track record of great journalism and trying to create a space for them where they can do that journalism without being hindered by bureaucratic institutions or processes.
	Now, what would your follow-up question be?
	Wouldn't you say something like, wow, that sounds like the dream job?
	I don't know what my follow-up question would be, because I'm not in the groove with this guy at the moment.
	But I'd probably ask him, I'd say, doesn't the New York Times pretty much do that?
	They've got a lot of award-winning journalists.
	No, no, no.
	All they have, and their editing is like the process that you're calling a bureaucratic, you know, whatever it is, he said.
	It is the process.
	It's not right.
	It's not the way it works.
	Does this guy ever work for a newspaper?
	I have no idea.
	Schleraffenland in Germany, we would say, it's like the paradise.
	It is, like a journalist's paradise.
	You don't have a boss where you have to ask them if you can write the story or can write the story this way.
	Right, I mean, it's like, well, to quote that old CIA torture, you know, we've got to put on the big boy pants.
	No, but it is like everybody's going to...
	What the hell was that non sequitur?
	What was that?
	I've never heard of that.
	That old CIA? Maybe it's something he hears at the office.
	I don't know.
	We're expected to do their thing.
	We want to work with people whose respect is already there.
	It's proven.
	We want to create a space where they can do their work.
	It is like a journalist's paradise.
	We're not naive.
	There will be challenges.
	It will be difficult.
	When you're dealing with a model where no one is exactly the boss, you have to work out how that's going to happen.
	We're trying to create teams of people who already have shown a proven track record of being able to do serious journalism and to do it on their own initiative.
	Okay, so now I'm like, alright, this sounds...
	This guy, I'm looking at his background, by the way.
	He's a documentarian right now.
	Before that, he wrote for magazines.
	The Nation is his...
	He's written books.
	He's written books.
	And he's written a lot of books.
	But this is not the same as working in a newspaper, cranking out these sort of things that he's describing.
	And I'm looking at, from a businessman's perspective and a media analyst, And I'm thinking, really?
	I can burn through $250 million without a boss?
	That'd be pretty easy.
	Is this Pierre a pushover?
	And what happens when...
	Pierre is not a pushover.
	No, no, no, because...
	That's the problem with Pierre.
	Ah, but look out, John.
	They have a plan.
	Now, first, our German colleague is going to ask the obvious.
	If one of you guys, if you get in trouble, if it's proven that you've fucked up something, like...
	Can the others throw you out?
	That's a great question.
	That's the question.
	Well, kick your ass out.
	Right.
	Kick your ass out.
	This is where he loses his guard entirely.
	That's why it's going to come out in a minute.
	We're going to elect Glenn is going to be the interior minister, Glenn Greenwald, and he's going to have a secret intelligence service that's going to be investigating me and Laura.
	No, no, we'll work it out.
	We'll work it out.
	I don't want to get too much into the details about this before we get it, but maybe there aren't any details?
	I mean, I'd have to kill you if I told you that.
	Oh, that's so funny.
	Name of the thing?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	It hasn't been announced yet, but it doesn't translate into schmoozy Craig or whatever.
	So it's not going to be a German thing?
	It doesn't have a German name?
	Can you confirm that?
	I don't want to rule out that it's not going to be a German name.
	As I told you, my understanding of the German language is that there's an incredible volume of that.
	Okay, so here it comes.
	Now for the money shot.
	So I'm thinking, so I'm processing this.
	I'm like, okay, we have, this Pierre is no dummy.
	He wants to put, you know, although, you know, talk is cheap.
	Oh, I'll put my, here's my, you know, I didn't see a $250 million check.
	Yeah, this reminds me, by the way, of the $1 billion that, what's the guy that used to own?
	A Turner.
	Yeah.
	Turner Networks, the guy, Turner.
	Yeah.
	What's his first name?
	I can't remember it.
	Ted.
	Ted.
	Ted Turner.
	I'm going to, you know, after Gates started up his operation, I'm giving a billion dollars here and a billion dollars.
	He gave nothing.
	He gave nothing.
	Okay.
	So if I was to start a news organization, here's what I would do.
	And you'll hear this in the next clip.
	I would start a new WikiLeaks.
	And I've already got the team, and here's how it works.
	We sit there, we receive documents from whistleblowers, we then turn around, we report on that, but we sell it to all the other publications.
	So our model is in doing the work, doing the investigative reporting, and then quote-unquote partnering with New York Times, The Bilt, LeMond, The Guardian, and we sell our services from our whistleblowers, which is what we do.
	This is the Glenn Greenwald approach.
	This is his invention.
	It's his dream.
	He wants to be Julian Assange.
	And I think, if you look, I think there has been a structured...
	Certainly on Greenwald's part, but I think this movie, something happened.
	This had to come out now before someone else got this idea.
	I have the feeling that this was quote-unquote leaked because Greenwald thought someone else might come up with this genius idea.
	I have some more data points to prove my point here.
	We have to see the movie now because perhaps the movie actually hints.
	Yeah, it may hint at this model.
	So here is Skyhill talking about actually being WikiLeaks.
	We ultimately want this to be a public service.
	I love my German brother, listen!
	We're going to be looking for partnerships around the world and journalists to work with who do investigative reporting.
	I remember WikiLeaks saying, we do a public service.
	Is this a new form of WikiLeaks?
	Because WikiLeaks consider themselves journalism as well.
	Well, I mean, I think what WikiLeaks did was incredible.
	It was extraordinary.
	I mean, it started a ball in motion that has just picked up momentum.
	And I think a big part of journalism going forward is going to be finding sources of independent information, including from whistleblowers and people who want to leak documents that they think are in the public interest to have access to.
	And we're going to continue to do that.
	So I'm over at Glenn Greenwald's Twitter, and he tweets something like, so proud of Freedom of the Press Foundation, so proud of Aaron Schwartz.
	I'm like, what?
	Now, to remind you, the Freedom of the Press Foundation is this little drinking club funded by Mother Jones, who I guess didn't want to fund him anymore.
	That's why they got a new bitch.
	And this is the club that has Greenwald in it, Poitras is in it, everyone's in this little club, and then the freedom of the press.
	And what have they just done?
	They have just released Secure Drop.
	And SecureDrop is the...
	It's a WikiLeaks clone.
	It's a Wiki, thank you.
	Developed by Aaron Schwartz.
	Let me just throw a couple of thoughts in here.
	So what they, when they're going on and on, we want the best journalist, we want the best this, we want the best award winning, I don't know what they want.
	But it seems to me what they want and what they're putting together is an intelligence agency.
	Yes.
	They are looking for analysts.
	Now, this is not journalism, people.
	If anybody thinks they're going to go...
	Jay Rosen obviously missed this by a mile.
	If you're just pulling in a bunch of documents that you have to analyze, you're not doing any reporting.
	You're doing intelligence analyst.
	That's what you are.
	You're sitting plowing.
	That's what they do.
	Go watch the series Rubicon.
	It's available on Amazon.com.
	It's a free video you can watch.
	It's a 13-episode series that discusses this in great detail.
	And that's what they're asking.
	But this is not journalism.
	It's a great idea.
	Yeah.
	It is a great idea, but you end up being part of the machine.
	Hello!
	Like they're not already part of the machine?
	Yeah, they're part of the machine.
	But it's a high and mighty thing.
	I don't think Pierre knows they're part of the machine.
	I think he's going to find out.
	And he's going to say stuff like, you know, this is not what I wanted to do.
	Well, I just want to finish up here with the last bits of frustration about this leak.
	This is just another 40 seconds of Scahill.
	First of all, SecureDrop, that's the new version of Aaron Schwartz's Dead Drop.
	So they basically took the code from the dead kid and are marketing it as such under the name SecureDrop, which has been checked by, oh, there he is again, Jacob Applebaum.
	Did a security audit.
	Why would you want a guy who's from the Navy to look inside what you're doing?
	But okay, that's the Tor guy, the Tor network.
	It's the same people over and over and over again.
	Which I'm fine with, because I think the idea is genius.
	No, I'm not going to comment on my personal employment status.
	This got leaked yesterday, but I got woken up by a reporter calling me at 3 a.m.
	the other day asking me about my new venture with Glenn Greenwald.
	I'm like, what are you talking about?
	Now I know, I guess, what Obama felt like when Snowden leaked all those...
	No, I'm just kidding.
	I just had a minor leak in my life.
	A minor leak?
	Give this guy the hook.
	I don't want to hear any more from him.
	All I'm saying is, how can you trust this guy if he can't even keep something secret amongst the three people he's supposed to keep stuff secret about?
	No, you can't trust any of these people.
	And it's not about trust anyway.
	It's about secure drop.
	It's about WikiLeaks isn't doing its job.
	Or WikiLeaks is...
	No, no.
	They are doing their job.
	But let's take anything away from them, any mojo they might have, and let's do it in a more commercial way.
	And maybe we can make some serious money.
	Serious money.
	Exactly.
	Because the WikiLeaks guys don't know how to make a nickel.
	And they got this one guy, the guy's one of the...
	He's in the embassy.
	He's locked up in a...
	What a moron!
	So I... I'm telling you.
	I'm telling you.
	This is how it went.
	Pierre, it's Glenn.
	I got a great idea.
	Okay.
	WikiLeaks meets eBay.
	You got to play this guy.
	This is like a movie pitch.
	Yeah, of course they pitch it.
	Well, I bet you they pitch the movie too.
	We've got Laura.
	Laura makes the movies.
	We've got the whole thing will be documented.
	Everything's going to happen.
	It's going to be great.
	She makes movies, too, so you have two documentary people.
	So what we need to be on the lookout for is, A, what is in the movie?
	I guess you're right.
	We're going to have to watch the movie.
	We'll probably wait until it's on demand somewhere, which may be next week.
	It might be on HBO next week.
	Yeah, so we have to look at that.
	But my feeling is that Greenwald popped this out really quickly.
	And from what I've read from Pierre, he was also kind of taken by surprise.
	But I can only see that it was Glenn Greenwald who told BuzzFeed.
	I can't see any other origin of the story.
	When I look at Glenn Greenwald, I'm like, yeah, he'll do that.
	That's the kind of guy he is.
	He will stab people in the back to get wherever Glenn Greenwald needs to go.
	Well, he has his vision.
	He doesn't see it as stabbing anybody in the back.
	He sees it as, here's the opportunity for a certain kind of promotion that's going to benefit us all, and so I'm going to do it.
	And I'm going to do this, and I'm going to do that.
	He's probably the smartest guy in the room.
	He's probably...
	Smarter than Pierre, maybe not.
	Technology-wise, I doubt it.
	But whatever the case is, he sees he got this vision of this drop box.
	What is it called?
	Dead drop.
	It's dead drop, now secure drop.
	Secure drop.
	Because he just sold that article to Le Monde with a French guy.
	Yeah.
	And made probably...
	Reasonable money, but then he saw the opportunity to make this a business in itself, which is to take crap and write it up as news.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's not bad.
	I think we're the only ones who figured that out.
	Well, they'll start to figure it out shortly, once they start seeing what comes out of this operation.
	If anything, they think it'd collapse in the meantime.
	But I think it's a moneymaker.
	I think it's a fabulous idea.
	And I think we're both right about WikiLeaks doesn't know how to make money with all this stuff.
	It's money in the bank what people drop off at WikiLeaks, if you want to write it up.
	But you're right, it's not necessarily journalism.
	No, it's not journalism at all.
	It's analyst.
	It's intelligence analyst.
	What do I look for?
	I've got that theme going into me.
	I can't talk.
	Analytics?
	Vaca Cipher?
	You're never going to get that.
	I'm never going to get it.
	You know why I get it?
	Because I wrote it down.
	Vacuous.
	Cipher.
	Vacuous.
	I wrote it down.
	Yeah, it's just basically being one of those analysts that ends up talking out of their butts on MSNBC and elsewhere.
	Okay, well, I think we've got that.
	That's it for that.
	We're done.
	Earlier we were talking about, there's another thing that's coming up that's kind of interesting, and I'm going to put in the Red Book some of this stuff, but...
	I have two clips.
	One I was going to play on the last show, and I still have it here, and it kind of introduces the situation.
	Play this clip.
	Saudi Arabia and the UN. Mm-hmm.
	Saudi Arabia appeared to reject its newly acquired seat on the UN Security Council today.
	It accused the 15-member body of failing to resolve international conflicts like this civil war in Syria.
	Its foreign ministry issued a statement that said, allowing the ruling regime in Syria to kill its people is clear proof and evidence of the UN Security Council's inability to perform its duties and shoulder its responsibilities.
	But UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said he is yet to receive official notification of Saudi Arabia's withdrawal.
	Well, the official notification came through, and it was interesting, and it caught the White House off guard, and everybody was all in a tizzy over there.
	And I have some other clips on this, but I can probably summarize it better.
	The Saudis have been making us help promote them to the Security Council.
	They've been, as one reporter said, coveting the role.
	And so they got it, and then they said, nah, screw it, we don't want it because it sucks.
	They're mean.
	And they kind of pointed a finger at us, and now they're bitching about, we didn't do this, we didn't do that.
	And now all kinds of these analysts are coming out saying, well, you know, we had these two of our best allies in the Middle East were always Saudi Arabia and Egypt, and the Egypt situation fell apart.
	And the Saudis were irked at we threw Mubarak under the bus, and all this is going on.
	So I'm thinking, what the heck is...
	For one thing, I think Saudi Arabia is now going to be targeted for a takeover so we can steal their oil, which is fine, but it's going to cause all kinds of repercussions, especially in the area.
	In the region, John.
	John, in the region.
	Yeah, in the region.
	So I'm thinking...
	Who is behind this?
	Because it's not the Russians, because the Saudis wanted to get rid of Assad, and the Russians want to keep him, so it's not them.
	I believe the Chinese have started to meddle.
	Because they've been meddling.
	We saw the places they were building in Libya.
	They had a whole town that was going up.
	They got most of Africa already.
	Let's put it this way.
	The Chinese are...
	It's about time they did something to stop our insane advance on their crap.
	Yeah.
	So the Chinese, I believe, are somehow behind this.
	And I don't have any evidence of this, but it's the only thing that makes sense because they're the ones who probably goaded the Saudis, you know, to turn on us.
	And now the discussion, when you hear other...
	This has been going on on most of the public stations.
	When you hear other discussions, you hear this one, too.
	This is kind of a meme that's going around.
	Oh, what happens if we buy all of our military supplies from the United States?
	What would happen to us if the United States pulled the plug on spare parts?
	Now, there's a couple of things to think about in this.
	One, the Chinese are the major makers of spare parts for American products.
	Yeah, we take all their counterfeit parts and put them into our airplanes.
	Yeah, the parts are no good, by the way.
	Most of them are off-spec.
	Yeah.
	But that doesn't matter because they can sell these things.
	We buy off-spec stuff all the time and, you know, wings fall off.
	People don't realize how important the specs are for bolts.
	You'd be amazed.
	Yeah, it's actually true.
	So the Chinese just make the cheap crap.
	I think the Chinese are horning in on the defense stuff.
	I think they're going to first start with the parts.
	They're going to come and then we're going to start.
	We already start to see Chinese jets being manufactured now.
	Let me play this back what you're saying.
	You're saying that our tool...
	Is military stuff, military industrial complex, but mainly stuff that we sell to our partners, like the Saudis.
	And we would say, hey, Saudis, if you don't shut up, don't laugh.
	If you don't shut up, we're going to stop the supply of parts and your stuff's going to fall apart.
	And maybe we've said that in so many words.
	And the Chinese are saying, hey, want some parts?
	And by the way, we can get you some brand new stuff.
	Look at this shiny plane over here.
	So I think exactly that.
	We're going to start to see a slow shift.
	What we have to do is we can get a hold of our contacts over there and our economic hitman folks and try to see what the connection, if there's any connection between China and Saudi Arabia that's worth noting.
	Because they're definitely not on the Russian side on this deal.
	The Russians have got nothing to do with the Saudi decision to jump the Security Council.
	And it's got nothing to do with us.
	So it's got to be somebody else.
	And who else?
	There's only three players, and the Chinese are the third player.
	And it's got to be them doing something.
	They're sneaking around.
	Interesting analysis.
	Yeah, we'll see what happens.
	I agree that...
	The White House was completely caught off guard about this.
	And I will say the first thing I thought was, oh, more Russian crap.
	But this makes more sense.
	Yeah.
	I like it.
	A lot.
	Yeah, I was trying to put a Russian thing in there and I couldn't do it.
	Besides that, the Russians could use another no vote on the Security Council.
	I just don't understand how the Chinese managed to do this, but they did.
	There's an analysis clip you might want to play of this Saudi relationship, which kind of outlines some of this.
	Mr.
	Bannerman, you were talking about your long experience there.
	This is a deep relationship, right?
	I mean, explain it.
	Put the present into that larger context.
	How important is this relationship?
	Has it been?
	This relationship has been a cornerstone of the American relations in the region for 50 years, as has the relationship with Egypt since the peace treaty.
	We have both those countries.
	The future of that relationship is in question now from the policies we're undertaking.
	And so I think the United States is facing the potential of serious changes in the balance of forces in the region because our relationship is changing with the two states that are most important to us.
	Which has potential in what kind of areas?
	All kinds of areas?
	Across the region.
	Because of our relationship with Saudi Arabia and Egypt, we've been the dominant force for the last 50 years within the Arab context.
	There's been no rivals.
	The Soviet Union is gone, Russia is there, but no one has been able to rival us.
	If these relationships were to change, the American role in the region would be reduced.
	We're still the world's most important power.
	We still will be important there, but our position will be different.
	Well, one part of that relationship clearly is military.
	You were able to talk to some U.S. officials, military officials.
	Yeah, and former military officials.
	It's been the crucial military relationship, along with the U.S. relationship.
	Who's this lady?
	This is the woman that used to be one of the anchors on the NewsHour, and now they shoved her out into the field, and she's become a correspondent.
	It's Margaret Warner, the woman with the eyes too close set.
	Her eyes are too close set, so the Gates Foundation said, you know, she's not presentable as a...
	That's right.
	Get her off.
	That's exactly, in my opinion, what happened.
	Bill went, she doesn't look hot.
	Get her off.
	Yeah, that's how it goes, people.
	Egypt in the region since the early 50s.
	The U.S. is the major arms supplier to Saudi Arabia.
	It has a commitment to protect the kingdom.
	The kingdom has always regarded that as a bulwark of their position there.
	So for Saudi Arabia, the U.S. still maintains, despite a very ostentatious withdrawal of U.S. forces after the first Gulf War, still maintains a presence there to train and equip and manage the weaponry that we sell to Saudi Arabia.
	We read that all the time on the show where there's another $2- $3 billion sale and it's like $1 million of needles and then $1.9 billion other.
	Yeah, that's what that is.
	I'm told there's a two-star general there that the U.S. helps train the Saudi National Guard, one job of which is to protect the Saudi royal family.
	On the other hand, so it's hard to know where they would go for all of this weaponry.
	On the other hand, to the U.S., it's also very important.
	They were an important ally in the first Gulf War.
	The role was a little murkier in the second Iraq War.
	They publicly took a neutral stance, but there have been reports that they were helpful in that.
	There have been reports unconfirmed of secret U.S. drone bases in Saudi Arabia more recently because the U.S. and Saudi Arabia still share the goal of combating jihadi terrorism.
	So it's hard to see how that military relationship gets extricated, but if the political bonds do, then, you know, who knows?
	Did she say jihadi?
	I don't know.
	Maybe.
	It didn't sound like jihad.
	It sounded like he-hadi.
	He-hadi.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, that'll be very interesting to watch.
	Well, yeah.
	Kind of the interesting thing about...
	There was a number of aspects to that, but...
	I think you're on to something.
	There's a couple of things going on, I think, that we'll follow up on this, and we'll find that there's something up, and the only explanation is the Chinese.
	It's always the Chinese.
	These guys are big.
	It's a big country.
	They've got lots of people.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Big props to you, John C. Dvorak.
	As we were talking about the fires in Australia.
	And, in fact, just to prove, I pulled the clip that you played from France...
	Van Cat.
	France...
	In Australia, the country's military says it's investigating whether major bushfires are linked to an explosives training exercise on its land.
	Well, and John, not only did you put us on the path, you were completely right.
	Now, I want to remind everybody that these bushfires started early.
	It's October, and Australia goes into its summer.
	And what was weird about this is this is the first time the fires were all near Sydney.
	And here is the mayor of the region.
	Whenever you don't know what you're talking about, you just say the region.
	That's how we do it in news.
	Talking about how this actually was started by the military.
	Mayor Greenhill, a few moments ago the RFS put out a statement confirming that the state mine fire near Lithgow was started as a result of live ordnance exercises on Morangaroo Army Range.
	The fire started on Wednesday.
	There were no total fire bans at the time, the statement points out.
	In view of what you've just said about what your community's been through and the efforts of the firefighters over the past week, how do you feel about that revelation?
	Look, I'm not happy.
	Okay, so he's not happy, but he's not happy.
	Now, but of course, that didn't stop the usual suspects before this news came out.
	And by the way, this will be the only media program that will call these a-holes on it.
	Let's see.
	Al Gore.
	Mr Gore, we're also having something of a national debate about the connection between climate change and bushfires and the Australian Prime Minister has said in the last couple of hours that bushfires are a function of life in Australia and nothing to do with climate change.
	What do you make of those remarks?
	Well, it's not my place to get involved in your politics, but it reminds me of politicians here in the United States who got a lot of support from the tobacco companies and who argued to the public.
	Al, Al, it wasn't started by global warming, Al.
	There was absolutely no connection between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer.
	And for 40 years, the tobacco companies were able to persuade pliant politicians within their grip.
	To tell the public what they wanted them to tell them.
	And for 40 years, the tragedy continued.
	Bushfires can occur naturally, and do.
	But the science shows clearly that when the temperature goes up and when the vegetation and soils dry out, then wildfires become more pervasive and more dangerous.
	That's not me saying it.
	That's what the scientific community says.
	Bitch!
	Look it up, it's science!
	That's right!
	Douchebag!
	So, of course, he looks kind of stupid in hindsight, but not as stupid as both Christiana Anampur, who I used to like a lot as a journalist, and then she went to ABC, and then she went back to CNN, and something happened.
	Well, for a while, she was on the 60 Minutes show where she showed that she really couldn't handle that level.
	I think what happened is, you're right, they saw that she really, she had a whole thing going, you know, the Arab vibe and, you know, she could, I don't know, she had something going on and it just fell apart on her.
	Because she didn't really have it.
	She didn't have the chops, yeah.
	Well, or maybe just the warranty expired on something.
	I don't know.
	It's weird.
	So she is with a new puppet on the scene who is now out there with a new climate change communication.
	UN Climate Chief Christiana Figueres.
	I think that's how you pronounce her name.
	And have you seen this woman?
	No, I'm going to look her up.
	How do you spell her last name?
	I think it's F-I-G-U-E-R-E-S. Let me see.
	Cristiana Figueres.
	UN Climate Chief.
	She's kind of like an IMF woman.
	What's her name?
	Oh, come on.
	Lagarde.
	Yeah, what's her name?
	Like Lagarde.
	She's got the short hair.
	Is this Jean Christophe Figueroa?
	No, this is Karen Christiana Figueras.
	Figueras?
	Karen looks like Figueroa to me.
	She is the Executive Secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, also known as the UNFCCC. I can't find her.
	Christiana Figueras.
	If you Google that name, Christiana...
	That's what I'm doing.
	I'm getting nothing.
	You're binging it, aren't you?
	No, I'm not binging it.
	I don't bing it.
	Sometimes after midnight, maybe.
	Oh, hey-oh, everybody!
	All right, so you've got a picture now?
	You see her?
	Well, I have...
	She's a total...
	The only one...
	I got Christian figure...
	Oh, there she is.
	She's the one with the scarf.
	She's the one who looks like she should be an upper-class twit.
	That one?
	Or she's the one...
	Oh, no, there's another one.
	There's a bunch of these people.
	Or she's the one...
	Yes, it's the same woman.
	The one with the blue shirt and the scarf, like a KLM stewardess.
	Yeah, she looks like a stewardess.
	But then if you...
	Oh!
	And then she looks like an old woman.
	And then she has a lot of looks.
	She's good for TV. She's great for TV. She has a professional experience.
	Minister, counselor at the Embassy of Costa Rica in Bonn in Germany.
	Very good.
	Directed the work of all departments of the Embassy.
	She's from Costa Rica, actually.
	She was named Director of International Cooperation in the Ministry of Planning.
	Oh, God, what a dream job.
	I'm the Ministry of Planning.
	We're going to plan something.
	She and her husband moved to D.C. I wonder what her husband does.
	I don't see here.
	He must be doing something.
	Okay, anyway, so now she's a muckety-muck, and she's out there, and she's promoting climate change, what we need to do about it, and she and Christiana Ampour got sucked into the bushfires.
	Bushfires, but also the politics behind trying to figure out climate change.
	First and foremost, is there a link between climate and wildfires, brushfires?
	Oh.
	Well, John, as Undersecretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, what would your answer be?
	We're all going to die!
	Yes, there is.
	Absolutely.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	The World Meteorological Organization has not established the direct link between this wildfire and climate change yet.
	Oh, okay.
	Not yet.
	In fact, they didn't because it was set off by the military.
	However...
	But what is absolutely clear...
	Clear!
	...is the science is telling us...
	Science, science, science is in!
	That there are increasing heat waves in Asia, Europe, and Australia.
	That these will continue, that they will continue in their intensity and in their frequency.
	So what we've just seen on the screen is an example of what we may be looking at unless we take actually vigorous action.
	Ah, okay.
	Vigorous action that makes somebody money with cap and trade.
	Well, so it's very nice that she's on.
	I appreciate her being on the show.
	Because she is giving us the new talking point, and the talking point is, well, of course, we need to price carbon, right?
	Because if we then price it, then we can trade it, and then we can do all these.
	It's a financial instrument, and it's another way of printing money, essentially.
	Here's this thing.
	I think that's actually correct.
	Here's the thing.
	We all exhale it, but only certain people get to count it.
	And it's going to have a price on it, and that will be a commodity that you can trade.
	And whenever there's trading, just look at the stock market today.
	There's billions, if not trillions of monies to be made.
	We need more vehicles.
	That would be the way you'd say it.
	We don't have enough trading vehicles, and this one's a gem.
	Thank you, John.
	This is why we do this show together.
	It's another trading vehicle.
	And the meme is, you're already paying the price for climate change.
	You're saying, though, by not having the carbon tax, it could have the same effect on people.
	Or worse.
	Because the fact is, we are already, as you have just pointed out, we are really already paying the price of carbon.
	Okay, so here's the idea.
	We're already paying the price.
	Why do we need to give a shit?
	Well, listen to what she says.
	We're already paying the price.
	Just listen closely.
	We're paying the price with wildfires.
	We're paying the price with droughts.
	We're paying the price with so many other disturbances to the hydrological cycle.
	Disturbances to the hydrological cycle?
	Wait, wait, wait, wait for it.
	That is all the price that we're paying.
	So what we need to do is put a price on carbon so that we don't have to continue to pay the price of carbon.
	Did you hear what she just said?
	That was my favorite.
	Say that again.
	She's crazy.
	What she says is we need to put a price on carbon so we don't need to pay the price of carbon.
	On carbon so that we don't have to continue to pay the price of carbon.
	Wow.
	That's good, isn't it?
	That is all the price that we're paying.
	Double talk.
	So what we need to do is put a price on carbon so that we don't have to continue to pay the price of carbon.
	And in fact, what you've just seen on the screen is one scenario, Christiane.
	And it is a scenario that we would walk toward unless we take, as I say, vigorous action.
	But there is another scenario.
	And the scenario she's pointing to is a huge fire scenario.
	It's just Sodom and Gomorrah on the screen of fire.
	Okay, what we have seen are just introductions to the doom and gloom that we could be facing.
	But that's not the only scenario.
	It's just an introduction.
	This fire you see, that's just an introduction.
	Wait until you meet Satan.
	We could, as humankind, we could take vigorous action and we could have a very, very different scenario.
	That's a scenario that is worth examining.
	Oh!
	And then I'll wind it up with a...
	She has a phrase here, which...
	Two phrases, actually.
	And I googled this, and I couldn't really find what she's talking about.
	But what about, then, trying to convince people that this is something that you actually have to tackle quickly before it becomes irreversible?
	What is the timeline that we as a...
	And irreversible for the last decade, according to these people.
	How much time do we have, John?
	It's too late.
	Let's just give up.
	Okay.
	Before this becomes irreversible?
	We have very little time.
	Very little time.
	Very little time.
	In fact, would you look at the time?
	I've got to go.
	The important thing is that we still have time, although in as much as we delay, we are closing the window upon ourselves.
	But we do have time.
	What we know is that we have to reach global peaking.
	That means we have to get to the maximum.
	Global peaking.
	Now, tell me if you can find global peaking and then this next phrase.
	The trajectory of emissions is still going up.
	We're still rising.
	So we have to get to the global peaking point this decade and then begin our trajectory down as opposed to up, which is where we are, and we have to get to zero net emissions.
	Zero net emissions.
	Not zero emissions, but zero net emissions.
	Oh, they changed the old Bill Gates meme.
	Zero net emissions.
	You can Google this all you want.
	I can't find a straight answer on zero net emissions and global peaking.
	Global peaking?
	What is this?
	They're going to make it up as they go along.
	This would be like peak oil.
	Okay, so her husband is Conrad Von Ritter.
	Heil!
	World Bank.
	Oh, no.
	Now, let me read this little clip.
	Oh, no.
	This is from a...
	I'm going to read you something from this...
	Wait a minute.
	Hold on a second.
	You're telling me that the lady who was out there pushing the next financial vehicle is married to a guy who works...
	Is he big at the bank?
	I can't tell yet.
	But he's at the bank and he's sitting in this.
	This is from 2007 when they were worried sick because it was near the end then.
	This was an event at a meeting called the Earth Negotiations Bulletin.
	That's where it was published.
	Special report on the selected side events of the 26 sessions of the subsidiary bodies SB26, the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.
	So he's in on this deal.
	And here's what he says when they're doing the synopsis of the meeting of a bunch of guys sitting, a bunch of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 guys on the dais.
	Conrad von Ritter, World Bank, said that in a response to CDM barriers...
	CDM barriers.
	I don't know what that means.
	You can look it up while I'm talking.
	But it's got something to do with Africa.
	The World Bank developed a carbon finance assistance program for Africa with the support of a number of bilateral donors.
	He noted that the program focuses on overcoming barriers, providing institutional capacity.
	A lot of this is...
	Oh, CDM, John?
	Clean Development Mechanisms.
	Okay, got it.
	That's what this meeting was about.
	And engaging finance and private sector participation.
	So they're trying to buffalo the Africans into buying in on all this because they're still burning pieces of wood in their houses.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Now I'm going to look into this a little more, this group.
	Now I'd just like to say something because we get a lot of flack That we are anti-science.
	Oh, we're not science.
	We're Republicans.
	I was actually a chemist.
	I'm actually trained as a scientist.
	And I was also an inspector for the air pollution district.
	I'm actually trained.
	I'm actually a scientist.
	I took it in college.
	I did it for a living.
	These people that say this about us are just...
	They're a bunch of guys that get degrees in English.
	They just buy anything.
	They'll hook, line, and sinker.
	They soak it up.
	I just want to understand.
	You were trained as a chemist.
	You studied chemistry in college.
	You are an air pollution inspector for the People's Republic of California.
	I was also a chemist, per se, an analytic chemist for Union Oil.
	An analytic chemist for Union Oil.
	It makes total sense that you are on the payroll still.
	Clearly, you are still on the...
	Does Union Oil still exist?
	Who is Union Oil?
	Now it's Uniql.
	Oh, better.
	It was a shame that Union Oil was a great company, I have to say.
	I've said this before on the show a number of years ago.
	I'll say it again.
	The oil companies, they would lecture us every so often to have a big meeting and they'd show us all these slides about why we had to go to unleaded gasoline.
	This was during that era.
	And the oil companies, at least from what I could tell, unless there was somebody in the back room laughing to themselves, they were all in on the peak oil idea.
	100% in.
	So I have read the IPCC reports.
	We have deconstructed some of that on the show where possible.
	The science is not in.
	These are models.
	The models have been proven wrong to date.
	And all that is said is, oh, well, you know, we've got better models now.
	Those are computers from five years ago.
	Now we have new computers.
	So, so far, the models have been wrong.
	This is all predictive.
	This is not science.
	This is computer predictive models.
	The same models that have predicted many other interesting things, such as where the volcanic ash would be.
	Oh boy, the skies over Europe were never so blue.
	It was beautiful.
	Yeah, that was a botch.
	What we're seeing, and what we're pointing out, and I'm all for keeping the world clean, and of course, I want nuclear.
	I'm the guy that, oh, I'm sorry, that's all going to kill us with radiation.
	Get your iodine, everybody, there in California.
	You're all going to die.
	John, did you take your iodine?
	Because you're going to die.
	You're going to die.
	The cloud is coming.
	I've seen it.
	I've seen it on the web.
	What we take offense, literally offense to, is this financial vehicle that they've been trying to create.
	Al Gore started this.
	He had the carbon exchange.
	He was a co-investor in the carbon exchange.
	That all got thwarted because, you know, things just didn't work out.
	He continues to try.
	I'm all for a cleaner world, but the...
	The CO2 emission, taking that and turning it into a financial vehicle, when there's little proof of what it's really doing, just supposition and predictive models, I can't get on board with that.
	I just can't.
	You know, what's funny is that the same people, and I don't know if you're actually communicating this message to the Dreyfus girl, who's not listening, by the way, is...
	Yes, she is.
	I guarantee you she is.
	Is the idea that these people that are all, you know, it's science.
	It's not debatable.
	The clip you won't play anymore, which is the Molly Wood clip.
	I have it.
	I have it somewhere.
	Is that they're all in on this and things like air power and wind power and all the solar power and all these alternative things.
	But the science is also in on nuclear power.
	I mean, it's been studied to death.
	And there are products you can buy, small nukes that you can put in a neighborhood and power the neighborhood for the next 120 years with using up as much energy as you want, almost free.
	And none of them are in on that.
	They're all, oh, that's dangerous.
	We're all going to die.
	And they listen to the phony baloney reports on Fukushima, which everybody knows.
	We get a lot – we have a lot of nuclear engineers that listen to the show.
	Not a lot, but we have more than a typical show.
	And they're always feeding us information, telling us what these bogus reports are all about.
	And it's all just to push everyone to natural gas.
	I mean that's like the big thing so we can blow up all the shale beds around the world.
	Follow the money.
	It's where the money is.
	You don't want, if you are running a big energy company, do you think for one second that the boss, the big evil bosses with the white pussies they're stroking all day at the oil companies, that they give a rat's ass what they're selling you?
	As long as they can sell it to you.
	If they could really make money off of nuclear, they'd be doing it.
	But that's the problem.
	Nuclear, you put a little football in there, it goes for 50 years.
	And it's like, oh, well, we can't keep selling stuff over and over and over again.
	So what is the next logical thing?
	And conspiratorially speaking, I've always been suspicious of that tsunami.
	Play the oil shale commercial.
	I got a new little mini-meme in there that I think is kind of cool.
	Americans are asking, just what will our energy future look like?
	Well, it could look very bright.
	New technologies are safely unlocking vast domestic supplies of oil and natural gas, like energy from shale.
	And with smart policies, we can create even more great jobs and could generate billions to fund schools, roads, and other services.
	So what does all that look like?
	A secure energy future for generations to come.
	Shh!
	Log on to learn more.
	So the term that I thought was interesting, and I think maybe JC or somebody noticed it immediately, is energy from shale.
	Not gas from shale.
	Right.
	And the term fracking, of course, can't be used in such a commercial public service announcement.
	But energy from shale.
	Ooh, you can get energy from shale.
	I'm sure a lot of people are all, ooh, ooh, energy from shale.
	Yeah, yeah, I've heard of something like that.
	Yeah, it's called steam.
	Yeah, it's called steam.
	It's not steam.
	It's the gas that comes off when they frack the shale.
	Oh, that's your energy from shale?
	Okay.
	Yeah, it's fracking.
	You frack the shale.
	It's down there.
	By the way, they had a graphic.
	Apparently, it's near the core of the earth.
	It's so far away.
	You still burn it to create energy.
	Oh yeah, in the long run, yeah, but they're referring to it as fracking.
	You frack the shale, you pull out the natural gas, and then you burn it and make steam, which is the same thing a nuke does without all the work.
	Yeah, and we're looking at thorium, cesium, all these...
	Well, thorium, I think, is really...
	The thorium's the hot...
	You've got the breeder reactors that eat their own poop.
	There's no waste.
	But you get guys I respect, like Joe Rogan, who's tweeting out stuff that...
	What was the tweet he sent here?
	Headline, 28 signs the West Coast is being absolutely fried with nuclear radiation from Fukushima.
	This is the problem.
	And it's actually beautiful the way this is going, if you're on the big oil, big gas side, is even the people in alternative media are so suspect of their government lying that they think that there's some big cover-up about nuclear.
	And let me tell you, Germany, they're on a collision course with this Umwende, I think is what they call it.
	Shut down all the nuclear plants.
	They're subsidizing everything.
	I had a conversation with them.
	They're going to go broke doing this, by the way.
	Yes, they are.
	I had a conversation.
	The French have not bought into this.
	No.
	But listen, here's the conversation.
	Here's how it goes.
	I'll say, look, solar and wind, it just doesn't add up.
	It costs more to make, and it's not profitable.
	And here's what you hear.
	My neighbors are selling their energy back to the energy company, and they're making money!
	It's all subsidized.
	This is what people understand.
	There are windmills.
	In fact, most of these giant windmills are their own LLC with investors.
	You can buy into a windmill and it's a bonanza because of the subsidies.
	Yeah, the government gives you money to do it.
	There was the same thing with the solar stuff in California.
	When they were subsidizing it by, I think, 33% of the total cost, you could actually make the calculations showing that you'd do a little better than you would without the solar.
	So you'd save a few bucks on your PG&E bill.
	But then once they pulled the plug on that, which they did, now you can't rationalize it, and nobody's putting any solar gear up because of it.
	Zero.
	So your friends here at the No Agenda show are not anti-science.
	They're not Republicans.
	Anti-bullcrap.
	Here, you want to look up something funny?
	Get your Google going.
	Can I use Bing?
	No, I think Google's better.
	Okay.
	And type in windmill fires.
	Yeah, a lot of...
	Have you seen these giant...
	No, I know.
	These are the ones that you can...
	Yeah, no, of course I've seen them.
	These are the ones you buy in.
	Yeah, these you buy into.
	And they catch on fire, commonly.
	Yes, because of the friction.
	Yeah.
	It's moving parts.
	It's a lot of stuff.
	There's a lot of fires is what's going on there.
	Yeah, if you look in the...
	If you go to images and then type...
	Go to images and type...
	No, no, I see it.
	I see it.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on the agenda In the morning And by the way, I just can't, I can't, You didn't call that clip Twit, did you?
	What Twit?
	The thing about science that you said I won't play, which of course I will.
	I just can't find what you called it.
	I don't think I called it Twit.
	Maybe science?
	No, that's the one that science is in.
	No, no, no.
	Well, maybe it is Twit.
	Play it.
	See what it says.
	I can't...
	I think that's one of your clips.
	No, it's your clip.
	I can't...
	I'm searching.
	This is why I'm not...
	My clip naming stinks.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that is...
	It does.
	It tends to stink, and I feel bad about it.
	It's a little hard to...
	I mean, I got a lot of these clip names that just make no...
	I look at them myself.
	Here I'm doing the show with you, and I'm looking at the clip list, and I'm thinking...
	I read the clip name, I go, what the hell's that about?
	And I try to be more descriptive, but...
	Then again, it's like...
	I don't know why I'm inept at this, but I am.
	I can't name clips properly.
	It was only a couple shows ago, but I can't find it.
	No, it was a while back.
	We've got a few people to thank.
	Yes.
	Including horse presents in Pacifica, California for $170.66.
	It's $104 plus my dollar and episode annual donation plus $66.66 sack of sixes.
	Nice.
	Thank you.
	Jeremy Goldworthy in Midland, Michigan came in with $166.56.
	And I put all the notes from everybody in one place.
	I don't care about how you name clips, but some of these notes we should probably pay closer attention to.
	Yeah, well this one we're not going to read in this entirety because you might as well just name the thing War and Peace.
	But that's what we do for our execs and associate execs, but maybe there's something there.
	Question at hand.
	The Book of Knowledge reports that no agenda is a property of Mevio.
	So I ask, how does...
	No.
	It's not true, by the way.
	It's just a Book of Knowledge.
	We used to host the show on Mevio servers.
	Yeah.
	But they've never owned a company.
	It's not a company.
	It's two guys.
	It's a partnership.
	It's a podcast.
	It's a podcast.
	That's lower than whale poop.
	You know, I think it's moved up above whale, and now it's just below bat guano.
	But still below curable lepers?
	That's a possibility.
	I wanted to send another value-for-value payment, which I greatly appreciate and understand as a consultant.
	In fact, I digress here.
	I've been using your value-for-value proposition statement with my clients.
	Thanks for that.
	Really?
	He has a couple other things to say.
	But okay, that was the only thing that was important to me to get that cleared up.
	Richard Gardner in $129 from Enmore, New South Wales.
	James Dwyer, you can read over on the side there.
	What I like is he calls us the courageous crusaders, which I think is good since everyone is thanking us for our courage.
	And it's a double donation of a sack of sixes.
	And he will be moving to his new home in FEMA Region 5.
	So we look forward to welcoming you to five.
	Wow.
	James Dwyer in Hong Kong, $100.01.
	He says, in the morning, Statler and Waldorf.
	We've heard that one before.
	I made my first donation to your outstanding podcast last week only to hear Adam burp my name.
	You did that by accident, remember?
	Yeah, accidentally.
	Is that a hidden message?
	Am I working my way to night of burp-dom?
	Yeah.
	That wasn't a compelling enough reason to write and donate again.
	Imagine my surprise when walking down the street, listening to Blue Hydrant, the explanation.
	I saw these, and he sent us some photos.
	Van Glitchka in Salem, Oregon, $100.
	Another note there is lengthy.
	Well, nice little nod.
	The one thing he asked at the end is just, and I think it's okay, he says, can you play anything from the Reverend Manning?
	I haven't heard anything in a long time.
	You got to talk about that!
	There you go.
	By the way, you go north from Salem on the 99 West North.
	There's two 99s.
	One's on the east side and the other one's on the west side of Highway 5.
	And you get to go through some of the finest wine country you'll ever see.
	I think that area north of Salem, south of Portland, which is a pinot growing area, kind of highlighted by the Dundee Hills appellation, I think is just astonishingly pretty.
	I'm going to buy a place up there.
	Yeah, I can't wait.
	It can be expensive.
	Hey, you know what?
	You should sell your house now, man.
	It's like the market is crazy in the Bay Area.
	Yeah, I'm watching it.
	Believe me.
	You need to sell.
	Get the hell out of Dodge, man.
	By Tautas...
	Jeez, you're going to be 80 in five years.
	Quit already.
	Go buy your place in Oregon.
	By Tautas and Sadowskos in Vilnius, Lithuania.
	I don't know if I botched that name.
	By Tautas Sadowskos, I think.
	Okay.
	He's got a 33rd birthday thing coming up.
	We got him listed.
	He's in Vilnius.
	Jay Kumar, our buddy from Beverly, Massachusetts.
	Nuts.
	He has a note.
	Let's see if it's a note that was the one I wanted to read.
	Here it is.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Albeit on the community newspaper level, it's been disappointing to see how lazy and terrible our media has become.
	If anything, I've gotten even more cynical about politics and the media than I was when I left the newspaper business, and I didn't think it was possible.
	Thankfully, no agenda provides plenty of laughs as well as head-shaking moments.
	Keep up the great work, and I promise to keep contributing.
	Oops, sorry.
	I meant this one.
	You've been de-douched.
	I've ruined it.
	Sir Mike Shoemaker in Rancho Cucamonga.
	Anaheim Azusa in Rancho Cucamonga.
	$99.99.
	I haven't heard...
	There you go.
	I haven't heard Adam do the nine thing for a while, so now he just gave it to you.
	Okay, here we go.
	Ready?
	Hit it.
	$69.69, dudes.
	Baroness Baronetis Janice Kang from Milpitas, California.
	These are all 69-69.
	Craig Porter from Jacksonville, Florida.
	Peter Tangstrom from Amsterdam.
	Stuart Fawcett from Liverpool, Merseyside.
	Reykjavik I.O. from Reykjavik.
	And by the way, so I got a note.
	I think it's Reykjavik.
	Reykjavik.
	Reykjavik.
	So I got a note from the guy, because the town is great, but I made a generalization about what I thought to describe the Icelandic situation, which was a bunch of drunks, lousiest food in the world, tons of cod liver.
	How about the women?
	Are they hot?
	Oh, the women are terrific.
	They're all beautiful.
	That's when you're drunk.
	They're all beautiful.
	I think every woman in Iceland is gorgeous, and they're all tall and redhead or blonde.
	Ugh.
	Nice.
	And so I had all these generalizations.
	He told me I was at least 10 years, which is when I went to Iceland about 10 years ago.
	I said 10 years behind the times.
	He says, for one thing, the Icelanders, and I find, by the way, find this incredibly hard to believe, having eaten there, that the Icelanders have become the forefront of the foodie movement.
	In the northern climes.
	And it's like you get really great food in Iceland now.
	Apparently there's a bunch of famous chefs and there's all this.
	I also bitched about the expressionist art that was so popular.
	He says that stuff's gone by the wayside.
	And then what really disappointed me is I said, well, you know, in Iceland when you're in this hotel or wherever you are, you take a shower and they run the geyser water through the hot water side and you get sprayed with this sulfuric water.
	It's SO2 comes off of it and you stink.
	You smell like It's just stink.
	He says, that ended.
	Why bother?
	Why bother?
	Yeah, I mean, all the good stuff is gone.
	By the way, I've always believed there was health benefits to those showers.
	A lot of SO2. That's good.
	You never catch a cold in Iceland because of that.
	Sir Funk Josh McDonald in Brunswick, Victoria, 69-69.
	Raymond Bressler in Arlington, Washington.
	And that closes our...
	69!
	69, dude!
	Nathan Howell, 69 Plain, New Lenox, Illinois.
	Morton Keeman.
	Kiernan.
	Oh, that's right.
	I can never see that on the screen.
	Kiernan in Copenhagen, 66-66.
	There's a Janice King.
	And these are all for our 6th anniversary.
	Are you sure it's the 28th and not the 26th?
	Yeah.
	Look it up.
	I will.
	We've decided.
	We've discussed this a million times.
	Yeah, I keep forgetting.
	You're the one that made us stink about me saying it was the 26th.
	No, you were saying the 23rd.
	No, I never said the 23rd.
	Okay, our first show ever was, I have it here, on the 26th.
	No, it wasn't?
	Yes, 10-26-2007.
	Hold on a second.
	Go to noagendanation.com.
	Well, then how do we keep thinking it's the 28th?
	I don't know.
	You're in charge of that part of the show.
	You're in charge of newsletters and scheduling.
	Scheduling.
	I'm also the head of the peerage committee, I might add.
	Yes.
	That's too much work.
	You do the finances.
	Okay, we still celebrate the show on Sunday.
	It just so happens that the anniversary is on Saturday, so if anybody wants to get a donation on the exact day, it will be Saturday.
	That would be nice.
	But just so we're clear, you really botched this one.
	How did I botch it?
	Well, you kept saying the 28th.
	No, you kept saying that.
	I said the 26th, and then you corrected me.
	Okay.
	I don't see that you're on top of it either.
	Excuse me.
	Whatever the case, it's Saturday.
	Have you seen the show notes?
	Have you seen the show notes?
	That's what I thought.
	That's what I do.
	You know how much work that is?
	Oh, the show notes are...
	I'll give you 100% credit for the show notes.
	Those show notes are worth their weight in gold.
	I've said this to people.
	If you're a student at any high school or college and you want to do some dynamite papers, just go into these show notes and get all the material you'll ever need.
	Onward.
	All right, these are 6666s.
	Where was I? Janet Baronetess Janus.
	Sir Hank Biglin in Kew Gardens, New York.
	John Gross in Springfield, Virginia.
	Matthew Greensmith in Victoria, Wheelers Hill.
	Bas Brunix.
	Brunix.
	G-E-R-R-I-S Corporation in Arlington, Virginia.
	Sack of sixes, he says.
	Doug Dodge in Oxnard, California.
	That's a porn name right there.
	Doug Dodge.
	Doug Dodge, everybody.
	How are you doing?
	Do you think the Jairus Corporation being in Arlington, Virginia is some sort of...
	Nothing to see here.
	Guy Bozzi.
	That's right.
	He's in Israel.
	6666.
	Carol Reed.
	Market Drayton Shropshire.
	David Masciangelo.
	Masciangelo.
	What do you think?
	Peoria, Arizona 66.
	I think so.
	Kenneth Michaelbust in Oslo, Norway.
	Adam Tucker, Moranba, Queensland.
	Richard Gardner, Enmore, New South Wales.
	Harvey Lee in Federal Way, Washington.
	Chris Bolton in Newcastle-under-Lyme in the UK.
	Thank you for your courage, he says.
	Preston Theller in Sonoma, California.
	John Porter in Ayrsouth Ayrshire, UK.
	Dave, we've got a lot of good UK donors.
	Dave the Mormon from the Czech Republic.
	I do have a note from Dave the Mormon.
	It's handwritten, and it starts off with, Dear Jebel and Abdullah, I'm writing in longhand to prove that my 80s U.S. education is still good.
	He can barely write.
	I can tell you that.
	And now, it's obvious his wife took over the writing.
	She says, of course, I have my wife's Czech education.
	Wives?
	Good thing I chose a career in IT. No agenda and biscuits.
	Something me alive, because some of the scrawl here looks very French.
	During a week of my driving on windy check roads.
	So here's 66 and okay, something or other for J. Bolden.
	People, we're happy to read your notes, but, you know, come on.
	I know, that's what I'm saying.
	But here's the joke of it.
	He didn't send 66-66.
	No?
	He sent $1,200 in korunas.
	Oh, very nice.
	Kroners.
	No, they're called korunas.
	You said korunas.
	Well, korunas.
	Kroners.
	Isn't it kroners?
	No, no, no.
	It's K-O-R-U-N-A. If you look it up, that's what it is.
	I believe it.
	And so it's $1,200, which I don't know where I'm going to exchange these.
	And it comes to, I hate to say it, on today's exchange rate, because the dollar's falling, $64.23.
	Ooh, okay.
	Close.
	Anyway, where was I? Joshua Mandel.
	Greenville, South Carolina.
	Chad Biederman in Round Lake, Illinois.
	Whoops!
	And my page just scrolled down to the $4 donors.
	Computer Solutions and Services, Santa Barbara, California, 5560.
	Brand new listener hooked after episode 556, so that's why he did 5.56 times 10.
	Thank you.
	Christopher Ward, Cold Field in the UK. And I'll finish it off with George Oberhofer in Jackson, New Jersey, 5033.
	And then these few people have $50 donations, including Macy Stolowski in Calgary, Alberta.
	Eric Veit in Dublin, California, right up the street for me.
	Kyle Bauer.
	From Parts Unknown.
	Dan Greb from Lansdale, Pennsylvania.
	And finally, David, greatest name on the list.
	Trotsky from, of all places, Romeoville, Illinois.
	And that will be our donors for show 559.
	I want to thank them all.
	And we do have the anniversary on Saturday, apparently.
	Yep, that is the official anniversary.
	But we celebrated on...
	It's kind of like the inauguration of the president.
	Well, we could, yeah, celebrate.
	We can do a different day.
	I mean, I'm going to celebrate at home.
	That doesn't sound like us.
	Here's what we'll do.
	I'm going to celebrate Saturday by prepping for the Sunday show.
	How does that sound?
	That's pretty much what we do.
	Yeah, it's a celebration.
	Anyways, I am looking forward to that.
	That should be a lot of fun.
	So hit us up with a sack of sixes.
	We'd love that.
	And, of course, thank you so much for supporting us throughout the years, and we hope you continue to do so.
	I will, of course, be doing a big edit of the healthcare.gov C-SPAN broadcast.
	Which I'm sure will be well worth listening.
	It sounds like a comedy already.
	Yes, from anyone who listens to the show who has half an inkling about anything, you'll get quite a kick out of it, obviously.
	Dvorak.org slash N.A. All right, apparently I messed up on Sunday, so I have a make-good birthday call-out from Dame Elise Garling to her sister Brielle.
	I guess I didn't do the pronunciation right.
	Always happy to do something for our dames, though.
	Also on this, Bas Bramings turns 34 on the 25th.
	Carol Reed says happy birthday to son Sir Simon Reed of New York on the 26th.
	That'll be our anniversary as well.
	Kenneth Mikkelbust, or Mikkelbust.
	Happy birthday to Marius Sortland Mikkelbass, 32 on the 24th.
	Today and Christopher Ward celebrated 33 on the 21st.
	Happy birthday from all your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe!
	Happy birthday, yeah!
	And then we have quite a list of knights.
	This is a weird situation.
	Well, I don't think so.
	It's just people are topping up, you know?
	It's like you get to that level and there you are.
	I know, but this is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
	This is a record.
	I cut my thumb.
	I got my sword out.
	I need a plaster.
	I need a plaster.
	All right.
	I would like to have here at the roundtable Peter Wessner, Ashley Jones, Andrew Gamble, Peter McConnell, Richard Gardner, Bas Brannix, and Brett Farrell.
	I hereby pronounce the all-night to the Noah General Roundtable.
	We have Sir Peter Wessner, Sir Jack Mormon Justin, Sir Oscar, Sir Peter McConnell, Sir Richard Gardner, Sir Bush Bramix, and Sir Beth Farrell.
	Congratulations and welcome to the Roundtable for you.
	This is such a long list, I need more music.
	And Brett...
	Hold on, I got it here.
	What?
	What?
	Brett, it's a Black Knight.
	Yes, Black Knight from Cincinnati.
	For all of you, my God, I can't believe this.
	For your contributions to the best podcast in the universe in the amount of $1,000 or more, we thank you.
	An offer for you here at the round table.
	Opium and warm orange juice.
	Hookers and blow.
	Three geishas and a bucket of fried chicken.
	Rempoise and chardonnay.
	Hot pants and booze.
	Long-haired heavy metal guys and scotch if you're into that.
	Rubenes women and rosé.
	Vodka and vanilla bong hits and bourbon.
	Sparkling cider and escorts.
	Or mutton and mead.
	And thank you again for producing your No Agenda show.
	That was a lot of work.
	I'm tired and I cut my thumb too.
	I've got a couple of things.
	I've got a couple of shorties before you go on.
	A couple of shorties.
	Just news that people need to know about.
	Brunei Goes Sharia is one of the interesting little stories that popped up.
	Okay.
	Sultan of Brunei.
	The oil king.
	Oh, sorry.
	I was going to say, since you stalled there, I was going to set it up a little bit.
	The Sultan of Brunei, we have to remember, was once extolled as the richest man in the world.
	He was the guy who was always on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, and he would fly what's-his-name around.
	Apparently, it means a lot of hookers or something.
	And he's the guy who built the kitchens for the...
	The Cirque Restaurant in Manhattan, because that's where he eats when he comes into town.
	And now this...
	The oil kingdom of Brunei will soon be under Islamic criminal law.
	The ruling sultan announced today that enforcement of the Sharia penal code will begin in six months.
	Penalties include amputations for convicted thieves and stoning for those who commit adultery.
	Brunei already bans the sale of alcohol and evangelism by other religions.
	It's the Texas of Saudi Arabia.
	It's a place we've got to visit.
	We've got to go.
	And put a big cork in my face so I don't say anything wrong.
	And then there's this story that was kind of odd, which I'd never heard about the Bishop of Bling, but apparently it's some guy, who by the way is very weird looking, but he's the Bishop of Bling.
	In Germany.
	Yeah, and I guess he finally got called out by the Pope because the Pope's a Jesuit for the poor, you know, and he sees this guy.
	The Pope's taking the bus to work.
	Our instant index begins with lifestyles of the rich and holy, some tough love from Pope Francis.
	Today, suspending the so-called Bishop of Bling, who flew first class, spent $42 million to renovate his home in Germany, and even had a $20,000 bathtub.
	He was summoned to the Vatican for a face-to-face with the Pope, and tonight the Vatican will not say how long that suspension will last.
	It's funny, you know, this was one of those throwaway reports that everyone reported on.
	The bathtub went from 10,000 to 15,000 to 20,000.
	You know, people need to be ashamed of yourselves with all this stupid bullcrap news.
	Do some real news!
	And here's another thing that's going on, which I still have.
	You're in Texas, so you must have picked up on this, because it's got to be all over the news in Texas.
	I think it's a hoax that got out of control, and I've tweeted that it was, which is this idea that there's some lame football team in high school that lost to one of the championship teams, because Texas has got a lot of really great high school football teams, 91-0, and supposedly some parents sued No, no, no, no, no.
	That's not true.
	Do you have a clip where someone says sued?
	No.
	No, I'm telling you, this is the meme.
	They say it all over here.
	I didn't think I needed a clip.
	That's all they talked about on all the talk shows.
	And there's no way.
	This is a bullshit story.
	I have the story here.
	Running the ball into the end zone, Alito's Cats Friday made one touchdown after another, winning their game 91-0.
	That's a cremation, is what that is.
	I wish at some point they could just say, okay, game over, why even finish it?
	A parent for the opposing team, Fort Worth's Western Hills, considered it more than just a painful loss.
	Alito ISD says he filed an official complaint online against its entire coaching staff for bullying.
	That's what really happened.
	So that got out of control from some guy just bitching online?
	Yeah, he went on the school website.
	Remember we had those forms?
	And he filled out the form and said the entire coaching staff bullied.
	I'm glad you're in Texas because we could not...
	Doug and Doug and Doug, I knew this was a bullcrap story.
	And you know what this is?
	This is just to make Texans look stupid.
	Well, I think it has two purposes.
	I think it definitely makes Texans look stupid.
	But that's a common thing.
	That goes on.
	You get used to it.
	I know people in Texas that say when any news thing happens in Texas, the news media comes and finds the dumbest, toothless guy they can find and asks for his opinion.
	She told me that that's all she's ever seen on the news.
	She's been a lifelong Texas person.
	True, true.
	And, well, anyway, so that, I knew this was good.
	I'm glad that you got to the bottom of it, because I was concerned.
	But the other reason for it is so all the right-wing talk shows can get all worked up about, oh, bullying is like, you know, this has gotten out of control, you know, this is terrible, and they went, they just...
	Yeah, moan and groan.
	Well, let me throw a shorty at you.
	This is something that we have discussed.
	We have prognosticated.
	We have put in the Red Book.
	We have held steadfast as fact, truth, and the way it is for many, many, many years.
	And now someone finally did a survey.
	Fact, fact, fact.
	Ah!
	On the best podcast in the universe.
	Ah!
	This is Scientific American's 60 Second Science.
	I'm Erica Barris.
	Got a minute?
	Other side effects can include internal hemorrhaging, heart rupture, brain rupture, rabies, loss of eyesight or smell.
	Medications come with long lists of potential side effects.
	Now a study finds that the litany of unpleasant consequences does not deter prospective purchasers.
	In fact, those warnings might actually increase drug sales.
	For the study, subjects were shown two different versions of ads for three different products, cigarettes, artificial sweeteners, and medications.
	One version of the ads clearly warned of potential perils.
	For example, hair loss, weight gain, or stroke.
	The other set of ads were warning-free.
	Subjects who saw ads with warnings were initially less likely to buy the products.
	But when surveyed again some time later, they were actually more likely to make the purchase than were those who saw ads without the warnings.
	The study is in the journal Psychological Science.
	The researchers say after some time goes, viewers of the ads interpret the listing of negative side effects as a show of good faith, a sign of trustworthiness.
	Who would have thought you could increase demand with...
	Nausea, diarrhea, bloating, flatulence, weight gain, migraines, mood swings.
	Thanks.
	There you go.
	We've always said...
	No, but this is not news.
	We discussed this.
	We had the reports from years ago.
	No, this is a new survey.
	Oh, to prove it.
	Yeah.
	However, if we had done the survey, we clearly would have put tongue protrudes in snake-like motion and anal leakage may occur.
	You mean like John Kerry?
	Yeah.
	What is with his tongue?
	I don't know, man.
	He's freaky.
	It sticks out.
	He's a little bitty, thin, little snake-like tongue, and it keeps sticking it out.
	Keeps sneaking out.
	I know.
	It's a little frightening.
	Okay, let me try this one on you.
	This is a good, this is a story I know you didn't get, and nobody in the country's got it.
	It's a local story, but I think it's a good one.
	Pepper Spray Cop.
	Former UC Davis police officer who pepper sprayed a row of seated campus protesters will get more money out of it than they did.
	A judge just approved a $38,000 workers' comp settlement between John Pike and the university.
	He claims that he suffered depression and anxiety due to death threats.
	The protesters each received $30,000 in damages.
	You know, the pepper spray cup, the one that became a meme, right?
	That's that guy.
	He got more money than the kids.
	Some psychologically burdened.
	That's great.
	And what do we get?
	What do we get?
	We get called out as Republicans and deniers.
	Here's a good one.
	Can I do something here?
	Yeah, after this.
	Zuckerberg pay.
	This is the sacrifice we're making.
	Listen to what this guy does.
	We learned tonight Mark Zuckerberg makes $30,000 about every seven minutes.
	The Facebook founder's corporate compensation package last year was worth a record-breaking $2.3 billion.
	Oh, right.
	Okay, whatever.
	I really don't care.
	Power to him.
	Just put things in perspective.
	No, you know what?
	I'm over that.
	I personally, I know you're not.
	I personally, I know you're not.
	I'm not.
	I know you're not.
	I know you're not, but I've been to the mountaintop, my friend.
	All right, go play your game.
	I have been at the global peaking, and I have learned that it's better to have zero net wallet.
	It's the way to go.
	And I'm very successful at it.
	We're doing a lot of zero peaking as it speaks.
	Global peaking.
	What am I saying?
	Go on.
	This is from Gitmo Nation Lowlands, and this is an example of how news media is just making people insane.
	Every single year it crops up again, but this year there was a little twist.
	The annual celebration, as you know, John, in the Netherlands, there never was a Santa Claus or a Father Christmas or some fat dude come down the chimney.
	Instead of the 25th of December with the Santa Claus red suit elves reindeer, the Dutch have Sinterklaas.
	And Sinterklaas comes on December 5th.
	That is his big day.
	He's dressed like the Pope, he rides on a white horse, and he has his helpers, the Black Peets.
	And this, of course, throughout the years of cultural Marxism, I'm sorry, multicultural integration, has become quite the issue with the politically correct.
	A tradition that has been going on for 170 years has to stop because, of course, it's racist.
	And we've talked about this at least three or four years in a row, would you say?
	Yeah, and sometimes in between.
	So now there's a new twist to it as this pops up again.
	A woman from the United...
	Wait, wait, stop, stop.
	How far back does this tradition go?
	I think 170 years or something.
	Oh, okay.
	It's new then.
	You mean it's new?
	It's new.
	Yeah, it's real new.
	By European standards, that's new.
	That's new.
	Okay.
	So what was new this year is a woman by the name of Vereen Shepard of the United Nations.
	Actually, to be quite specific, the United Nations working group...
	A working group of experts on people of African descent.
	But we actually didn't know that that was what she was in, was just the woman from the United Nations.
	And she sent, on United Nations letterhead, We're good to go.
	Independent expert on minority issues, special rapporteur on the contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia, and related intolerance pursuant to Human Rights Council Resolution 1828-19666-19633.
	And then I'll skip a whole bunch.
	The character and image of Black Pete perpetuates a stereotype image of African people and people of African descent as second-class citizens!
	It's in the show notes.
	It sounds pretty funny.
	Now, I'm looking at Black Pete here, at least one version.
	Yeah.
	And you think if they used actual Africans instead of guys in blackface, that might allay some of this?
	Well, from the tradition, you have to...
	And the origins really are that there were two ravens who turned into boys who then would go and...
	And bring the kids presents and the reason why they're black is because they go down the chimney and that's why they got...
	You know, it doesn't matter.
	The thing is, it's a racial thing, but she did an interview for one of the main news programs on television.
	And it's at the very end where she gives it away that she's full of crap, because that, of course, is what I'm going to expose here.
	But when you listen to this, this is how the United Nations or people affiliated with the United Nations go to work on their own agenda.
	She's from Jamaica, by the way.
	The working group cannot understand why it is that people in the Netherlands cannot see that this is a throwback to slavery and that in the 21st century, this practice should stop.
	From what you're saying right now, I get the impression that your mind already is made up.
	As a black person, I feel that I, if I were living in the Netherlands as a black person, I would object to it.
	As a member of the working group, I'm obliged to do further investigation.
	But as a black person, I believe that if I lived in the Netherlands and saw this, that I would object.
	But how independent can your investigation be then, if you come here?
	But we can be proven wrong.
	You go into it.
	To find out if what people are saying is really what is going on.
	If we find out that our information is wrong, then we will change our position.
	But the information we have at this moment from the people from the Netherlands who come to our meeting and who have been sending complaints to us is that it is racist, it is a throwback to slavery, and it should not happen.
	That is a complaint that has come to us.
	So we are going to see, is this so or is this not so?
	But you are right.
	My personal view is that in the 21st century, this should not be happening.
	I just want to, before we get to this end bit where she gives herself away, this is a cultural issue that the Netherlands itself needs to decide, and it is a relatively small group of people who are complaining from the former Dutch colony of Suriname,
	I believe, half of whom I think now live in the Netherlands, and they have been the ones that have legitimately been complaining, but somehow they got this This numbskull from the so-called United Nations to write this letter on UN letterhead, and you'll hear, you already hear that she's, yes?
	Well, first of all, if Black Pete is a function of some guy who's covered with soot, I don't get it.
	I'm not getting this.
	You can be covered with soot and be called black peat.
	It's irrelevant.
	Culture changes all the time.
	If the Netherlands wants to make it orange peat or green peat, they can figure it out.
	We don't need the United Nations throwing around someone's huge UN dick trying to tell us what to do.
	Our Prime Minister is walking away from the problem.
	He says that there are these cultural groups who keep This festival, hi, it's not government-orientated, so we cannot do anything about it.
	Well then, if the government feels it is wrong, then they should tell the cultural groups to stop doing it.
	The Prime Minister has the power to change policy and to influence the groups that are keeping this habit.
	So if the Prime Minister is saying it's not government policy, There you go.
	Showing that she's a total moron.
	She actually thinks there's two Santa Clauses in the Netherlands, the one that comes on the 25th, and then this racist guy.
	By the way, nothing about dwarfs and little people and cruelty to animals and whatever else, but Vern Shepard, Miss Vern Shepard actually works for the Institute of Gender and Development Studies.
	She's a consultant.
	And she misused this letterhead because she happens to be a member of a working group.
	That's very similar to the Presidential Innovation Fellows, okay?
	What she really is a part of is the Caribbean nation's slavery compensation program.
	And this is what she's after.
	This is why she's a consultant.
	There is a movement to go and...
	This just happened in the U.K., Had to pay money to descendants of colonies for slavery.
	This is a new thing that's happening.
	I have it here.
	Mau Mau?
	Where was Mau Mau, John?
	Mau Mau?
	Mau Mau?
	Mau Mau.
	I thought the Mau Mau were in Africa.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	The Mau Mau.
	Is that Africa?
	Well, it's all about compensating people who were slaves.
	They should make some of those African tribes who put these guys into slavery compensate them, too.
	Yeah, but that's not how it works with the guilt.
	So what she's after is getting money, I believe, is getting money for the former Dutch colonies in the West Indies.
	Remember, she's from Jamaica, from the West Indies.
	So she stirred up this thing.
	You have no idea how this got so out of control.
	There are people yelling on television in Holland.
	There's guys going like, Santa Claus is fake, children!
	I mean, it's 7 o'clock at night.
	Just to prove a point, people are freaking out about this.
	And everyone has an opinion, and it all started with this woman.
	I mean, it started a long time ago, of course, but it's a cultural issue that the Netherlands can change if they want, but this Vereen Shepherd of the United Nations, you hear how they come in?
	You hear how they talk?
	Even though she has no standing whatsoever, this is the stuff you've got to be careful of.
	Interesting.
	Alright, well, I've got a couple of things you want to wrap up.
	A couple of short items, if you want to hear something short.
	Yeah.
	Well, let's see.
	There's a...
	Environmental media awards were given out with a bunch of celebrities.
	But here's the other one.
	You heard about the Facebook and the beheadings videos?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I've heard about them.
	What is this all about?
	Facebook announced today it's working on new ways to warn users about graphic violence on its site.
	The social media giant issued the statement after an uproar over videos that show beheadings.
	Facebook banned such videos in May, but recently lifted the prohibition.
	Yeah.
	No side boob, but a beheading video is good.
	Yeah, you can't have side boob.
	Yeah, there's a bunch of things they won't let you do on Facebook, which is another reason not to be a member.
	But what is the thing with beheadings?
	You've got to have, you know, this is, you know, this old infidel should have their heads chopped off.
	Here, let me show you a video.
	It's disgusting.
	It's great.
	I think we should do that here.
	Why kill people with an injection?
	That's no good.
	Well, that's what the French had.
	That's why they invented the guillotine.
	I'm all for it.
	It always worked.
	You didn't have the incompetent head chopper that missed a couple of times.
	And it's quick.
	And it's quick.
	Yeah.
	It's quick.
	Get in a bucket.
	What state was talking about bringing back the gas chamber because they can't get the drugs?
	I don't know.
	It's hard to get lethal injection drugs anymore.
	Yeah, because they're contaminated.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And people die really slowly and horribly.
	I think the guillotine is a good idea.
	So I have a clip of the, you know, the woman behind Obama that passed out is a news story that's been floating around and everybody's seen it.
	And they said, how about the patch on the back of her arm and all this other stuff?
	I have a clip that has one little tidbit of information that got my attention.
	And I'm going to, this is an Ask Adam, you have to tell me what little tidbit in this clip got my attention.
	President Obama had to pause near the end of his remarks when, as you can see, this woman standing behind him there in the red nearly fainted.
	Carmel Allison became a little wobbly after 25 minutes of standing.
	In a telephone interview this afternoon, Allison said dehydration as well as being diabetic and pregnant all took their toll.
	I'm 20 weeks pregnant at this point, and I hadn't had that much to drink that morning because I was worried about possibly needing to go to the bathroom during the speech, so I wanted to avoid that.
	And then just as the sun hit me, I got a little bit lightheaded, but everything is okay now and back to normal.
	And she won't forget that visit to the White House.
	She was treated by the White House physician.
	The president joked, this is what happens when he talks too long.
	Allison lives in San Diego.
	She graduated from UC Berkeley.
	She was there representing the American Diabetes Association at today's event.
	Well, there's a couple of things, and this is one of those things.
	I typically stay away from it because it's such a...
	Oh, she's a plant!
	It was on the teleprompter!
	It was on the teleprompter.
	It could be.
	Let me give you my view, and then I want to hear what you have to say.
	I clearly saw the woman next to her nudge her, like give her an elbow...
	Just before it happened, I have no idea how the President knew what was happening.
	I looked over, I didn't see anyone say anything.
	There was a teleprompter, because I saw the teleprompter in the Rose Garden.
	Always a teleprompter.
	Yeah.
	Frankly, I don't give a shit.
	But I'm interested to hear what you have to say.
	University of California, Berkeley.
	Oh, boy.
	Yeah.
	Well, Spook Central.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I hadn't heard that one.
	Yeah, I've only heard it on that one report.
	She actually doesn't even have Obamacare.
	She doesn't.
	No, she doesn't.
	She doesn't need it.
	She had the White House doctor help her.
	No, she has health care.
	She has health care from the agency.
	Yeah.
	Speaking of which, the Free University of Brussels is starting a study.
	If you are a stutterer, guess what we're going to try and give you now?
	Money.
	Ritalin.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, that'd make you stutter twice as fast.
	It might work.
	It might work.
	Alright, so stuff I'm working on for Sunday.
	There's a lot going on about the Silk Road.
	It seems more and more like something is wrong with this bust.
	We have not heard anything.
	They're trying to sweep it under the carpet.
	Well, either that or there's a whole Reddit right now where the discussion is that it is possibly a hoax by multiple people involved, including some people from Gawker, actually.
	In fact, if you look at the two people who have done any reporting on Silk Road is the guy from Forbes and a guy from Gawker.
	And if you wanted to steal a whole bunch of Bitcoins from somebody...
	The way to do it, of course, is to have a whole bunch of bitcoins in escrow and then shut it down.
	I don't know.
	Okay, well, I'm sure you'll have more on this.
	I have dug into the...
	Because it just galls me.
	And I brought this up in a couple...
	I was at a meeting the other day and some...
	Is this the meeting when you were texting me and I had no idea what you were talking about?
	Yes.
	So I bring it out here.
	I've got to the bottom of kale.
	Uh-huh.
	Comes out of a group, a public relations agency that promotes kale.
	It's out of the UK. I found an American analog, even though I have notes into the agency to tell me, but they won't say anything.
	And I found the talking points and everything else.
	And you bring up kale with anybody, and they all go right down to talking points.
	You could actually put a little card in your pocket and pull it out.
	And show them that what they just told you is right off the list.
	Oh, nice.
	And the top of the list is, of course, as soon as you bring up kale with anybody who's been propagandized by why anybody would promote this inedible piece of crap brassica is beyond me.
	But they all say the same thing right off the bat.
	The first thing they say is superfood.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Superfood.
	Yeah, they all say it.
	It's astonishing how many people will throw that immediately right back in.
	And they'll tell you how great it is.
	They don't cook it.
	They never use it.
	But they all have their opinion of it.
	I believe that the whole thing is to lead us into making a normal vegetable, one of the things that we're going to be eating commonly, Cavallo Nero.
	And I'll leave it at that.
	I'm sorry, what did you say?
	Cavallo Nero?
	Yeah, you've never heard of it, have you?
	I'm putting it in the Red Book.
	Is that what kale is?
	Cavallo Nero?
	Cavallo Nero is also known as dinosaur kale, or black kale is out of Tuscany, and it's actually edible.
	Okay.
	But where's the angle?
	Is this just a really cheap vegetable that is being sold as some douchebaggy superfood to make a lot of money?
	Not the Cavallo Nero.
	That's the expensive one.
	The regular kale.
	Try cooking it this week.
	I am, as you know, not a big fan of kale.
	However, there is one salad that Miss Mickey gets sometimes from the Twigs and Branches shop, which that's what they eat over there, the Twigs and Branches.
	And she brings that home, and it has a particular dressing, which of course is what makes it work, that is delicious.
	And I'm going to...
	What is the name of that?
	I'm going to write it down on Sunday.
	I'll tell you what it is.
	And that I find highly edible.
	Somehow the combination with the kale and that dressing works.
	It's almost like...
	This is the kind of length you have to go to to actually...
	Choked down kale.
	Well, yeah.
	But believe me that women have bought into this as superfood.
	Oh no, they're all in on this.
	They all say the same thing when you bring it up, superfood.
	Oh, it's delicious.
	They all say it's delicious.
	Is there any evidence to this that it's a superfood?
	Turns out, and I've got the research, it turns out that they have studied brassicas in general, which are the cabbage family.
	And the cabbage family has all kinds of variants, and they're all very nutritious in every sort of way.
	Kale is just a member of the family, but it's been singled out as something special when it's not.
	It's probably the worst of the group.
	Yeah.
	It's the worst.
	It is the worst.
	Can you mention five types of kale?
	There's black kale, there's dinosaur kale, there's red kale, there's Russian kale, there's the Russian red and the curly kale, and then the...
	Rape kale.
	Rape kale is my favorite.
	Red kale, right.
	So Cavolo Nero, the black cabbage, that's the one, huh?
	The dinosaur.
	Cavolo.
	Cavolo.
	Yeah, that's the one that is going to become a big deal in the foodie community, and I put my name on initial prediction.
	Okay, well...
	And you've never heard of it, but you will.
	No, I see it in the book of knowledge here.
	What?
	What?
	This is what the whole kale thing is leading up to.
	That's why it's happening.
	The whole thing is leading up to a new category.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	It's apparently been eaten in Italy forever.
	Okay.
	Well, John, let me say in advance, happy anniversary.
	Happy anniversary to you, Adam Curry.
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	Oh, that must be an experience.
	He should be sharing is what I'm thinking.
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