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	It is only a question of time when popular self-government will be impossible and will be succeeded by chaos and finally a dictatorship.
	Hello 2013!
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, October 3rd, 2013.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 553.
	This is No Agenda.
	Monitoring JT65 on 20 meters.
	KF5 SLN from the Travis Heights hideout in the capital of the Drone Star State, Austin Tejas.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I'm not monitoring anything except the news, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Craig Vaughn and Buzzkill in the morning.
	It's like you're giving me a bad name, like I'm not monitoring, like I'm not doing my job or something.
	No, I'm just saying you were monitoring, you were spending your time on the hands.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm multitasking.
	I've got it rolling here, just in case someone needs to send me a secure message.
	Let's be honest, the JT65 is more secure than anything these days.
	Probably.
	Yeah.
	They figure, what are all these old coots going to do anyway?
	The conditions are great, though, right now, today.
	Five watts, I'm all over the continental U.S., up into Canada, Mexico.
	It's pretty cool how that works.
	Yeah, well, I'm sure there's a couple of agents listening in.
	No, I don't think so.
	Yeah, they're probably hams, too.
	They have no time for this bullcrap.
	Besides, they're all sequestered.
	Yeah, that's right.
	There's that.
	I never thought I would be so affected by a shutdown.
	Oh, you're affected?
	Like, emotionally?
	Yes.
	No, I am emotionally, physically, economically, I'm affected.
	I'm absolutely affected.
	Well, you're not nearly as affected as that poor little town in Kentucky.
	Yeah, but no.
	Let's talk about me for a second.
	I'm affected.
	Okay, well, we've known that for a while, that you're effective.
	But what do you mean?
	Well, I'm not going to get my latest Silk Road order.
	You're not going to get it anyway.
	It's got nothing to do with the budget shutdown.
	I'm not talking about that.
	I'm talking about the shutdown of the Silk Road.
	What are you talking about?
	Oh, you ordered something again?
	Yeah, and I went to go check, and I got the shutdown notice.
	Too late.
	No, I'm hoping the guy sent it.
	We'll talk about that in a minute.
	I want to talk about a couple of things here about this government.
	I don't care about your...
	The Silk Road shutdown is affecting more people than the government shutdown.
	So I don't know why you prioritize it this way, but okay, I'll hang back and listen.
	I'm just wondering, this show, my theme today is numbers.
	I keep hearing numbers that don't make any sense and people keep throwing them out.
	And here's one, this is just a little side note, but this is the little town in Kentucky story and there's a number in here that kind of baffles me.
	I don't know, maybe somebody can explain it.
	It's possible to play this.
	We also don't know for sure yet whether or not these federal employees who are furloughed, not by any choice of their own, will be paid retroactively.
	That would be the first time they weren't paid retroactively, but if they're not, they'll also be down all that amount of money that they could have been earning while they were, actually, if they had been working and the government had been open.
	So we really start to see this cascade, and I think the important issue is the spillover to the private sector, as Mark said, cab drivers, restaurants.
	I know of a case in Kentucky where 4,000 IRS agents didn't show up for work And usually people don't worry about the IRS, but they certainly do now.
	The Chamber of Commerce, the president of the Chamber of Commerce in that little town in Kentucky, said none of the restaurants, they were all dead, and all of the retail establishments around there were all dead.
	And each week that this goes on, we could see, you know, it's starting to shave real growth off of GDP. What little town in Kentucky would have 4,000 IRS agents?
	Did you do any research?
	I didn't care to.
	If it's a little town, by definition, that means...
	You know what a little town is?
	You ever been to one?
	Texas is filled with them.
	Yeah, like Round Rock is a little town.
	Yeah.
	Why would there be 4,000 of any one thing in a little town?
	It just makes zero sense.
	This 4,000 agent seems to be a meme.
	I'm not quite sure where this is coming from.
	This is kind of interesting.
	As you said, you've got numbers on the brain today, which is a first.
	Hey.
	We'll talk about this a lot, I'm sure.
	You know, I got a song in my head, too.
	I didn't make the clip.
	I'll put the clip in on Sunday.
	What song is it?
	What song?
	Nigel.
	We are making plans for Nigel.
	Yeah, that song.
	So I played a song this morning on the pre-stream, which is Jim Diamond.
	And I should have known better to lie to one as beautiful as you.
	I never heard that song in my life.
	But it was in my brain.
	There you go.
	This is the song that's been in your brain for a while.
	What, are you lying to Mickey?
	Is that just a subconscious thing?
	No, we both heard this.
	That's interesting you say that.
	No.
	Well, that's what the song is about, and that's what you just keep cropping up in your brain.
	Nigel, it's because I was looking for some Nigel Farage clips.
	No, we were having dinner the other night, and the song came on, and we're like, oh, it's a beautiful song.
	And I said, oh, I'm going to put it on the pre-stream.
	So no, I'm not lying to Mickey.
	Well, no, I'm just suggesting that the psychological reasons for this song being in your brain might be some guilt.
	No, it's because we both heard it on the radio.
	That's why.
	Okay.
	Now, I want to say something about the government shutdown, because, of course, you know, it looks like, you know, the roads are still open.
	It looks like, you know, I think I still have electricity.
	I noticed that we had a 9 o'clock happen.
	We did a toast.
	At the buzzkill bunker?
	Yes, we did it.
	The government shut down.
	The lights stayed on.
	The roads weren't shut down.
	Everything was still running.
	But let me say, we will speak lightheartedly of this, but we have a lot of people listening to this very show who are on furlough.
	So I don't want to sound cavalier.
	Which may, the way it's been done in the past, may amount to a paid vacation.
	It may be, but I think it's already hurt us.
	I'm just looking at the spreadsheet for today.
	I'm like, okay.
	Oh, you don't think it's because Google and Yahoo threw 90% of the email in the spam box?
	Oh, I think it's all related.
	We've been getting through 50% this last mailing.
	I was going to send out a second mailing.
	I should have.
	After it came in at 12%, and then everybody's complaining to me.
	Oh, I found it, and he says it's been going to the promotions box, but now it went straight to spam.
	Went straight to spam.
	And the curious thing was when I, so I tested these things.
	So I tested by signing up for, I created a bogus Yahoo account.
	Signed up.
	So I went through, this is the process where you click on sign up for the newsletter, you sign up, and then because MailChimp and all these services actually do a very good job of making sure that it's not a spammer and all the rest, they do that pre-work for these companies.
	And they abide by all the laws and everything.
	When the process of signing up, you sign up, then they send you an email to confirm.
	So you're just not signing people up to porn sites or whatever.
	Right, right, right.
	The confirmation on the Yahoo site, the Google one did get through, but the Yahoo site, the confirmation notice...
	Went to spam.
	Went to spam, which tells me that Yahoo is either...
	There's some corruption going on.
	I specifically asked Google if you have to pay to get your email through nowadays, and I sent it right to the press office, which is the process you have to go through.
	And I haven't yet to hear anything back yet, but I'll ask him again just to give him a second shot.
	If this is true, because if somebody, if you remember, we got an email from somebody saying, ah, it's all rigged, the whole thing's fixed, and apparently mail is not paying their bribes.
	I don't know.
	There is an absolute bribe system in place, and it's called Strongmail, which is now called Strongview.
	And these are the guys that help you get whitelists as a company.
	But even they have no control over the promotions tab, but they do have control over spam.
	And, yeah, if our livelihood is dependent upon the spam filters of Google and Yahoo, well, let's just cut the show short.
	Let's go find something else to do.
	Seriously?
	Yeah.
	So I looked at the numbers that came in today.
	I'm like, we're really going to have a very short segment today on donations.
	On both.
	Yeah.
	And to me, it was like, well, yes, I got a lot of email about the newsletter, which is a reminder for people to listen.
	And by the way, there's a lot of content here in your newsletter.
	Maybe it was that.
	Yeah, but that was a waste of my time, apparently.
	Yeah, no, that was a huge waste of your time.
	It reminds people to listen, who then are like, oh, shoot, maybe it's time to support them.
	So it absolutely works.
	But I think the furlough is also partly responsible.
	The shutdown.
	I know a lot of people who listen to this show who are now furloughed.
	They're getting IOUs.
	There's DOD police.
	There's all kinds of different entities that you don't think about necessarily.
	It certainly seems like all the assist admins and web admins have been furloughed since every government website has, you know, like, oh, because of the shutdown, we can't, you know, update our website, which is, to me, hurt preparatory actions for the show.
	I mean, I could not find out if, for instance, if this Silk Road complaint, and I have two of them, one from New York and one from Maryland, if they're true or not.
	I can't see if they release them on their website because they haven't been updated.
	There's a lot of things.
	So I'm not too cavalier about this shutdown.
	It would be better if there wasn't a shutdown for us.
	In general, I'm just not going to be that cavalier about ha ha ha ha.
	But I'm going to be cavalier, so you don't have to.
	Okay, good.
	So here's another number that got to me after listening to that other clip.
	This one here.
	This, by the way, was done at KSBW in Salinas, a little station in this.
	This guy's in the Digital Center, Digital Operations Center.
	This guy's reporting from, apparently, you know, the fake studio they set up in a green screen room.
	But listen to this report on government shutdown costs.
	The game of tug-of-war as our nation's leaders fight over the national budget has ended once again.
	In a stalemate, the sun will soon come up on the second day of the first partial government shutdown since 1996.
	I'm in our digital operations center monitoring the feeds with the latest out of Washington, D.C. as the tab to fund...
	Government shutdown keeps running up.
	Now, the irony is the dispute over government spending will actually end up costing the U.S. government more money.
	It costs $12.5 million each hour the government is shut down.
	That is $300 million each day and $16 billion in just a week.
	And that's just for government contracts.
	Does this make any sense to you?
	Yeah, I think it makes sense.
	By the way, $300 million a day times 7?
	What is that?
	$2.1 billion?
	How does that come to $16 billion?
	How do you get to $16 billion from $300 million a day loss?
	Wait, did he say...
	Play it again.
	Do the math yourself.
	This is $16 billion.
	How does it cost...
	I lay off everybody.
	This is costing me money.
	I'm with you.
	I'm with you.
	There seems to be a problem in general, not just in the news media, but also in our House of Representatives with math.
	Let me play for you two quickies here from Louise Slaughter.
	I believe she is the Democratic representative from Maryland, I think?
	And she's really full of crap, but funnily so.
	The Washington Post this morning sum up what this fight always has been and continues to be about.
	Defunding the Affordable Care Act and taking health care away from 300 million Americans who have no insurance.
	300 million Americans have no insurance, John.
	Holy crap!
	But it didn't stop there.
	It got better.
	Yesterday was indeed a historic day for our nation and for every American who's ever been denied access to health care.
	In my home state of New York, there were more than 2 million visits to our online exchange in less than 90 minutes.
	And by later in the day, the last number that I have just for yesterday, 10 million people had visited the website at the end of the day.
	That is about 12% of the entire population of the state of New York yesterday.
	Okay, so 10 million people is 12% of the entire state of New York.
	How many millions do they have?
	Most of the country, apparently, who have no health care.
	90 million people in New York, according to her.
	Yeah, so this is what we're dealing with.
	Thank you.
	By the way, a lot of producers, I guess the non-essential personnel are the ones who listen to this podcast, they had a lot of time to make some great clips for us.
	I got some good stuff.
	People clipping on C-SPAN and sending in MP3s.
	Thank you.
	This is very, very helpful.
	Yeah.
	I'm telling you, 50% of the No Agenda audience is non-essential personnel.
	Welcome!
	So...
	The point is that these numbers are being thrown around, and the public are idiots to listen to this.
	I mean, the $300 million times 7 being $16 billion is one good example.
	But the question where I started digging into this was the question, I have an agency that costs me $100 million a year to run.
	That's a small agency.
	I'm just throwing some numbers out just as an example of the way the logic is here.
	$100 million budget because I got all these people working.
	I shut the agency down and turn off the lights.
	Yeah, where does the $100 million go?
	Now it's costing me $200 million?
	How's it costing me more with all these people?
	$800,000 potentially.
	How's it cost me more in the billions of dollars to not be paying people?
	Yeah, here's what I don't think we should do.
	We should not participate in this reality show, this insanity that is the reality show of the shutdown, because that's all that it is.
	And it's funny, Miss Mickey and I were advised to watch a documentary, and I think everyone should watch this documentary even though I have issues with it.
	It's called I Am.
	You ever heard of this documentary?
	Yep.
	Have you seen it?
	No.
	So this is the director who directed, I think, most of the Jim Carrey movies.
	He did, his name is Tom Shadiac.
	He did Ace Ventura, Bruce Almighty, some really huge hit movies.
	Have you seen it?
	And he had a horrible accident and soul-searching, whatever.
	He went on this journey to find out about human nature and why we're not like our natural brothers, like the apes, or how birds can all do things together, even though we do apparently mirror all kinds of emotions.
	Anyway, a little bit fuzzy here and there, but in general...
	The idea was right.
	The real takeaway I had from it, which was kind of a scientific bit that I liked, and almost at the beginning of the documentary, they monitored someone's heart.
	And when you're in love, or when you have pure happy thoughts, then you have a beautiful sine wave of your entire heart rate and everything that's pumping.
	And the whole idea here is that really it's not our brain that is the main mechanism but our heart is the main mechanism.
	And when you're angry, that's when it's all distorted and it's got, you know, like choppy, it's all over the place.
	And when that happens, your heart, in this theory that your heart, you know, is really feeding your brain with information instead of the other way around, your heart can then not send proper or any information to the brain, so you kind of become dumb.
	And, you know, that's why you have blind rage, you know, people who are really angry, you know, they do stuff without thinking.
	And I'm like, this has got to be what some of this is.
	If you just look on Twitter or on Facebook, people are mad.
	They're getting mad, and I think they're being riled up to be mad.
	And when you're mad, you become dumb.
	And when you're dumb, that's when all kinds of other shit happens that we're supposed to catch here on the No Agenda show.
	Well, my favorite catch is, have you heard about this guy Beal?
	Beal?
	One of the whistleblowers?
	So I caught this on C-SPAN 3.
	There's a hearing going on as we speak.
	Of course, nobody knows it.
	No, of course not.
	No, why would we do that?
	So this guy, Beal, for the last 13 years has been a high-level executive at the EPA posing to the EPA administration as a CIA agent.
	Oh, wow.
	So he's dropped like at least a million dollars in just expenses over these years.
	Yeah.
	And so now he was busted because he retired and they had a big retirement party for him.
	But he decided because he's such a slime ball that he was going to rig the computers and make sure he still got his paycheck.
	Yeah.
	So that's how he got busted, actually.
	And it turned out, ICE is one of the committee members.
	He said, would this guy have ever been caught if he hadn't have done this one last thing?
	And apparently not.
	He wouldn't have.
	So this hearing goes on.
	It's one of the funniest hearings I've ever seen.
	There was a couple of weird things that were brought out into it, including the fact that probably most of the government agencies have CIA people embedded in the agencies.
	And the way that works is kind of explained in this clip right here, which is the embedded...
	They typically call it a civilian in the Pentagon.
	It's how the agent is always identified.
	Yes, here's the clip.
	Embedded CIA. Oh, I'm sorry.
	Which one?
	Embedded CIA? I have...
	Yeah, embedded CIA. I don't have that one.
	Yes, embedded CIA in agencies.
	Yeah, I love you, man, but I don't have that clip.
	It's right under Eliquis drug.
	Yeah, I have the Eliquis, but why don't I have the...
	Hold on.
	I'm sorry.
	Are you getting these from the Food Bar account or the other account?
	Yeah, well, they all come in the same one.
	It's also just possible that somehow when I'm downloading them, something...
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I got it here.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Sorry about that.
	Here we go.
	I'm not allowed to see classified material because there was no security clearance on file with the EPA Office of Security.
	I thank the gentleman.
	I just want to hear one more time.
	Since 2008, the head of each agency is given a list of anyone who is a clandestine agent working under their cover.
	That's my understanding, Mr.
	Chairman, from an Intelligence Directive 304.
	It's on the internet, and it pretty much explains that the requirement of the Directive of National Intelligence and the CIA to inform executive branch agencies.
	So, Secretary Clinton would know everyone at the State Department.
	The EPA directors, each of them, or administrators, each would have been given this information.
	So, if...
	If the administrator had even one person who was embedded, they would know that.
	We don't need to know if they have one, but if any agency had an embedded CIA person, they would have, in fact, had a list and he would not have been on it since 2008.
	That's right.
	That's my understanding, Mr.
	Chairman.
	Well, I share with the gentleman from South Carolina his outrage, but 2008 was a long time ago, too.
	I seem to remember George W. Bush was president then.
	So...
	You know, he throws that in for no apparent reason, but 2008 is when Lisa Jackson got the job, and these memos were apparently showing up on desks with the names of any agents that were in the EPA. EPA or any department.
	And so this character, Beale...
	Was working for her, and I guess she was so stupid, this Lisa Jackson, that she's the arrogant woman that's out.
	The new woman that came in, McCarthy, is the one who busted this, found this out because she was suspicious.
	What she did was she looked at the list and didn't see his name.
	Meanwhile, Jackson's such an idiot, she didn't see his name and didn't care, apparently, or who knows, maybe he took her out to dinner a lot.
	Whatever the case is, this is a growing scandal that is not being covered by anybody, although you can look it up.
	I mean, you'll find some obscure reports on it, but to me, it's very humorous.
	And it seemed to me that Issa, if nothing else, when he threw this question, I was...
	Why was he, because this was like yesterday, why is he talking about Hillary as Secretary of State knowing who the CIA, so he's going right back to Benghazi.
	Yeah, no, of course that's what he's doing, but he's also really trying to make the connection between the CIA and the State Department, which is, it is, you know, they're side by side, they're intertwined, they're like DNA together.
	That's what they do.
	Obviously.
	Yeah.
	My uncle, Uncle Don, he would always say he worked for the State Department.
	Which we always find very funny.
	Yeah.
	Of course, he was an ambassador, so, you know.
	That's working for the State Department.
	But before that, he was also for the State Department as a civilian in the Pentagon.
	I'm telling you, I know these things.
	A few things I know for sure.
	So they do have a little commentary here on Gina McCarthy and Beal, if you want to play that.
	With that, we go to the gentleman from Maryland.
	I understand that Mr.
	Beal's fraud was initially uncovered by the EPA Karen Administrator, Gina McCarthy, back when she was Assistant Administrator of the Office of Air and Radiation, is that right?
	Is that correct?
	Yes, sir.
	I'm talking to you.
	I understand that the administrator, McCarthy, started asking questions about...
	That's all you got?
	Oh, must have cut it off.
	Whatever the case, I'll tell you what happened.
	So he goes on and kind of deconstructs how McCarthy found out about it and how this fraud would have continued forever because the guy was quitting the agency once she started nosing around.
	But somehow he decided he thinks he could sneak a check out of there anyway.
	But this is the kind of thing that must be going on at all levels of government.
	You know where Lisa Jackson went, don't you?
	No, where'd she go?
	The World Bank?
	No.
	Hold on a second.
	No.
	You'll never guess.
	If you don't know, you'll never guess.
	If I don't know, I'll never guess?
	Yes, correct.
	She went to Apple.
	Oh, that's right.
	I did know.
	I did know that.
	She'll be head of the environmental programs.
	Yeah, she's just a bullcrap job.
	All right, so I watched a little bit of C-SPAN because, of course, this is what we're trained to do, and I was happy to see a lot of the producers of the program doing the same and looking elsewhere because that is always what these things are about.
	Don't look over here.
	Nothing to see here.
	Ooh, look at that.
	And we had an interesting session going on with our favorite douchebaglets, Clapper.
	The Kaiser was there.
	Lindsey Graham was pontificating.
	And Clapper, and this of course is all about the shutdown and how dangerous this is, and oh my goodness, what are we going to do?
	And Clapper, it's unbelievable.
	We know everyone, even the New York Times, I think, says openly now, Clapper lied.
	He said no.
	To Congress under oath.
	To Congress under oath.
	And what's come of that, by the way?
	No, nothing.
	Why don't you tell me what happened?
	Nothing.
	Oh.
	So nothing happened.
	Except that...
	Mimi got mad.
	Mimi got mad.
	So Clapper is here, and for the next minute and a half, he will lie to you again.
	I'm sorry with you.
	I would like to answer your question about the impacts of the government shutdown and furloughing our civilians.
	First, the legal standard against which we make decisions about who is furloughed and who isn't is And this is, quoting from the law, is that which is necessary to protect against eminent threat, eminent threat to life or...
	Isn't it imminent?
	He keeps saying eminent.
	I don't think that's the correct word, is it?
	Isn't it imminent?
	I think it is imminent.
	What does imminent mean?
	Let's take a look.
	You take a look while we listen to more.
	Property.
	And so our applying that standard is what resulted across the board in furloughing roughly 70%.
	I think that will change if this drags on.
	And we will make adjustments depending on what we see as the potential imminent threats to life or property, to quote the law.
	I keep saying eminent, but I'm telling you.
	Eminent means a high station rank or repute, like, you know, you're the eminent statesman.
	Right, or eminent domain.
	But it also means, in a secondary way, it also means even though this is not what he means, because eminent to him, he's meaning, you know, happening any minute now, or a threat that is upon imminent.
	In fact, here's the definition of imminent.
	It's ready to take place.
	Yeah.
	But you could say, well, I meant eminent because eminent also means, as a secondary definition, conspicuous.
	Signal or note.
	Which is really a stretch.
	Well, you know.
	He's using the wrong word.
	He's like an idiot.
	Yes.
	I will tell you, as to impacts, I've been in the intelligence business for about 50 years.
	How old is he?
	Apparently he's 70-something, I guess.
	He's been in the intelligence business for 50 years.
	Let's look at him up.
	I think we need to pull this guy apart.
	What do you have on age?
	He must be 70.
	I mean, you're not in intelligence services when you're 15.
	He was born in 41, and so that makes him 70.
	Older than 70.
	41.
	Yeah, it makes him 72.
	So he joined when he was in the...
	So now there was...
	Wait a minute.
	Let me get this straight.
	He's never done anything else in his life, apparently.
	Except spy.
	Except spy.
	So he's a full-time...
	He's a spy.
	He's a spy.
	First top.
	That's right.
	Who knows what he was...
	He was probably peeping out of his mama.
	...in the United States Marine Corps, transferred to Air Force Reserve training camps.
	He was commissioned in 63 as a distinguished military graduate for the...
	50, that'd be 50 years.
	He commanded signals intelligence.
	Okay, that's where he began.
	Signals intelligence, yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	A quick update from the back channel.
	Please, everybody, do not keep hitting reconnect if your stream is jittery.
	Just stay calm, look at the floor, and it will all go away.
	Let's continue with Clapper.
	Never seen anything like this.
	From my view, I think this, on top of the sequestration cuts that we're already taking, that this seriously damages our ability to protect the safety and security of this nation and its citizens.
	I would commend to you Senator Feinstein's superb statement yesterday on the floor.
	I think the words Feinstein and superb just can't go in the same sentence structure.
	No, it makes zero sense.
	I don't know what he's talking about.
	I think it's a different Feinstein.
	This affects our ability.
	This is not just a beltway issue.
	This affects our global capability.
	So we understand what he's saying there.
	So he's in the hot seats there with the Kaiser.
	And Lindsey Graham is doing it.
	Lindsey Graham.
	We're in this position because of people like Lindsey Graham.
	We really need to get rid of these people.
	These people have to be voted out for good.
	Really, they have to go.
	We get the government we deserve, so you can't be blaming government.
	It's your fault, my fault, everyone's fault.
	This is what we deserve.
	But listen to this guy as he is just talking about...
	We'll see.
	We'll see.
	No, many of them, and they're patriots as much as anybody who criticizes the program.
	All right.
	Did you tell the President of the United States what you just told us?
	Stop, stop, stop.
	Stop.
	Doesn't he sound like that creepy gay guy on the Family Guy show?
	Not Herbert the pervert, but the other one.
	The creepy hick guy?
	No, he sounds like the next door neighbor guy.
	No, the guy that talks kind of soft.
	No, he's not the next door neighbor.
	Okay, I'll have to get his name.
	Somebody in the chat room would know.
	Honestly, I don't watch anything.
	Okay, well, I'm sorry.
	He sounds like that guy.
	Also, the government shut down that our nation is less secure.
	Yes.
	What did he say?
	Okay, so apparently he told the president that we would be less secure.
	I discussed it yesterday.
	Well, you scared the hell out of all of us.
	At least I'm scared.
	I'm pooping in my pants.
	When you're telling me that 70% of the NSA is unable to go to work, not because they're necessary, but because of the statutes, the way it's worded, both of you have made very clear presentations to this committee that the government shutdown in a post-9-11 world is making this nation less safe.
	Whoa, okay.
	It's a post-9-11 world.
	Is that right, General Alexander?
	That's correct, Senator.
	That's correct.
	Is that right, Mr.
	Clapper?
	Yes, sir.
	Well, to Mr.
	Gibbs, who told the President, his political advisor, former press secretary, he advised the President to just watch the shutdown.
	Do you think that's the responsible thing for the President to do as Commander-in-Chief, to not negotiate or just watch the shutdown?
	Notice the little...
	The showdown.
	Notice the little flub there.
	The showdown.
	I mean, the shutdown.
	Oops, sorry about that.
	The showdown.
	What is it?
	The showdown at OK Corral?
	Was that showdown?
	Isn't that the title of it?
	The showdown at OK Corral.
	I don't think it was showdown.
	Well, this is showdown is what he's talking about.
	That's funny.
	Well, I'm not going to...
	You don't have to.
	I'll do it for you.
	You don't have to call the president a jerk.
	I'll do it for you.
	I'll do it for you.
	I'll do it again.
	I think it's irresponsible for all of us to let it continue, but where the hell is the Commander-in-Chief?
	If you really told him that, that our nation is less safe...
	I agree with this.
	I'm with Lindsey Graham on this.
	It's a very funny idea.
	This isn't very political, but it's funny.
	This is the showdown part.
	And Clapper's beside himself.
	Yeah, but I'm agreeing with Lindsey Graham here because, yeah, the president always tells us his number one priority is keeping the American citizenry safe.
	So he's his number one priority.
	He should give in on anything just to make sure that continues to happen.
	This reminds me of the Feinstein clip we had last show where she says, oh, this raid of the mall could happen here, which is admitting that we have...
	Well, now I will cut straight to clip number two here.
	And this is where, now of course, whenever we're talking about security and intelligence, we have to talk about pre-9-11, post-9-11.
	And I have a question.
	This will be an Ask John question, but it may turn out to be rhetorical if I can't help myself from screaming the answer.
	Now, about 9-11.
	General Alexander, if we had the technology and the programs in place today, before 9-11, What would be the likelihood that we have detected that attack?
	Oh, John, what do you think?
	Whoa, this is a big question.
	Senator, in my professional opinion, it will have been very high.
	Do you agree with that?
	I do.
	I do agree.
	I am here to tell the American people, if we had in place today, before 9-11, The 19 hijackers who were here in the country, most of them in legal status, talking to people abroad, we would have known what they were up to.
	We would have known why the guy was just taking flying lessons to take the plane off and didn't care about the part of the flying lessons to land it, which was kind of odd to me.
	I want to pay for flying lessons, but I don't care to learn to land the plane.
	So at the end of the day...
	Wow, that's really simplifying what happened, isn't it?
	My question to both of you is simple.
	Simple.
	Let's reform this program where it's gotten out of line.
	Let's be sensitive.
	Let me ask you a question.
	I'll just stop it here.
	If that is true, if today we could have thwarted this, you know, they'd be talking to each other.
	By the way, there's been plenty of hearings.
	We've heard many of them.
	We've had many on the show that say this is a bullcrap argument.
	It's not true.
	We had most of these programs in place before 9-11 and some other programs.
	Excuse me.
	Excuse me, who are you to question 50 years in intelligence?
	Who are you to question the Kaiser who has Star Trek Enterprise Bridge as an office?
	Who are you to question that slave?
	I'm not in a position to question it, and I'm sure that he would do anything to keep his budget.
	Now let me ask you this.
	That job never existed before 9-11.
	Here's the Ask John question.
	If they indeed, if we had everything we know today...
	Which is the same we would have known six months ago.
	I presume that, you know, the intelligence is kind of, for about a year or so, is kind of on par.
	Why were the Sarnoff brothers able to make the Boston bombing happen?
	What happened to this great apparatus?
	I don't understand.
	The apparatus doesn't work.
	How come they didn't stop the mall shooting in Kenya since they're all worldwide and most of the things they've stopped have been overseas?
	They didn't do anything about that.
	Yeah.
	They didn't do anything about the guy in Times Square who was stopped by the public.
	Yeah.
	They didn't do anything about it except the one guy where we saw those crazy videos of the guy loading up with peroxide.
	Remember this about three years ago?
	Yeah.
	He was at the beauty supply place that had apparently cameras hooked to the NSA. It seems unlikely.
	They haven't stopped anything except one money laundering guy.
	We've had the clip of the guy doing the briefing where he went through all these 50 supposed terrorist plots.
	There was only none that were worth the powder.
	And then we'll wind it up with an interesting...
	This is just lies.
	And Lindsey Graham is just part of some system to soak the American public.
	And, of course, there was a good article about, which I put in the newsletter, linked to it, of a poor woman who was the privacy person.
	I didn't get the newsletter, so I don't know what you're talking about.
	There's a privacy person at DHS, and everybody called her a terrorist, and people would come up to her and say, these concerns are yours.
	When the next 9-11 happens, we're going to blame you.
	It'll be your fault.
	Where was she working?
	She was at DHS. Wow.
	And she also made the comment that no, there is no such person at NSA, even though they claim to have one.
	Interesting.
	No, they don't care about it.
	The whole thing is cover your ass.
	Compartmentalize ass covering, yes.
	Do whatever you can to keep your budgets high.
	Lindsey Graham brings up two concepts here.
	One I found very exciting, and the other I was found curious.
	Much we live.
	Are there active efforts by terrorist organizations to penetrate the United States?
	Now, this got me all excited.
	Because I'm like, if there's going to be any penetrating going on, come on to Austin, brothers.
	Let's have a party.
	Penetrate here.
	Yes.
	Absolutely, yes.
	As we speak.
	As we speak, John.
	As we speak.
	I'm being penetrated as we speak.
	Do you believe there are people probably already here as part of a fifth column movement?
	What is a fifth column movement?
	I don't know, but it doesn't sound good.
	I've got a fifth column, and I'm coming to penetrate you as we speak.
	There are sleeper presents.
	Sleeper presents.
	Go get them.
	Go get them.
	No, they're asleep.
	They're asleep.
	Don't wake them up.
	Go get them.
	You've got all these phone records.
	Go get them.
	Go pick them up.
	Shh.
	They're asleep.
	Getting ready to penetrate.
	Column.
	There are various entities.
	Fair enough.
	And I'll end with this.
	Fair enough.
	Hey, what is a fifth column?
	What's a various entity?
	And if you know about them, go get them.
	Go pick them up.
	Fifth column.
	All right.
	Oh, it has an actual book of knowledge entry?
	Oh, yeah.
	The fifth column.
	It used to be...
	Yeah, it's got a funny definition.
	Let me read from the definition.
	A fifth column is a group of people who undermine a larger group, such as a nation or a besieged city, from within.
	The activities of a fifth column can be overt or clandestine.
	Enemy within.
	Forces gathered in secret can mobilize when coordination with an external attack requires and extend even to uniform military forces.
	Oh.
	That kind of conflicts with the lone wolf.
	Just a little bit.
	Oh!
	They can be clandestine involving acts of sabotage, disinformation campaigns, or espionage.
	Oh, that sounds right to me.
	Yeah, it sounds like the fifth column is headed up by Clapper.
	The fifth column is sitting right there in Congress.
	Man, oh man, oh man.
	But the penetration thing, you know that they're all laughing about it.
	You know that they're saying it's code.
	No, you're right.
	They're saying it and probably giggling to themselves.
	Yeah, like me.
	Here's an example of that kind of thing on the TV. This is just a casual report about, again, the shutdown or something.
	But you've got to listen to this.
	This is called the prick comment.
	And I know they're giggling in the control room when this guy does his little spiel.
	And the possibility for calamity is all too real.
	I think there's a very serious likelihood that we'll plunge the country and possibly the world into a financial crisis similar to what we had in 2007, 2008, 2009.
	Of course, we all remember what that was like.
	Now, it should be said we are still a few weeks away from the U.S. hitting its debt ceiling, and Field says it is possible lawmakers will see how Americans react to this shutdown and reverse their course.
	But if they don't, the shutdown could feel like a prick.
	Let's hope they see the lights.
	I'm Sam Brock.
	That's today's reality check.
	Back to you.
	Hey, man, I'm writing a script for tonight's show.
	Seriously.
	I'm going to put this in.
	Hey, remember those guys who...
	And he shouts it.
	Prick!
	He shouts it.
	Yeah, because it's like Tourette's.
	It's better to have a podcast and just say it when you want to.
	Otherwise, you're so contained and confined.
	So I did have a question about this.
	And I'd like to have that question answered right after I say, in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	I thought you were going to have it answered in the form of a question.
	I'm going to just say, in the morning to you.
	Well, in the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	In the morning, all ships and sea boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	And, of course, in the morning to our human resources who have showed up loyally for our chat room, despite some stream issues.
	Thank you very much, Void Zero, Sir, Gitmo, Slave.
	They fixed everything, so it's working again.
	You can find that at noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net.
	And, of course, to our artists, thank you so much, Nick the Rat.
	Back!
	Nick came back with a vengeance with the art for 552.
	Really did a great job on the I Opt Out t-shirt.
	I got inquiries if it was for real and where could someone buy one, which I promptly sent it to Eric DeShill, who ignored my email altogether.
	He doesn't like you anymore.
	He hates me.
	He hates me.
	Noagenda, artgenerator.com.
	We always look forward to seeing what you incredible artists have teed up for us right when we're about to upload the show, when we're done recording.
	And we have a short list today on both ends.
	We have one executive producer and one associate executive producer, period.
	And we'll thank them both.
	All right.
	I don't think either one sent anything from the newsletter since nobody got the newsletter.
	And the other half are furloughed, so they've got no money.
	They're saving.
	People got to save.
	You don't know what's going to happen.
	Brian Moses Hall in Ann Arbor, Michigan, 33333, be the executive producer for show 5.53.
	He says, in the morning, Jun, Uchiro, and Akira.
	He's apparently in Japan at the moment.
	He says, in the morning, close find a check.
	To bring the knighthood crosshairs just a bit closer, I dare to request a playing of the original You Slaves Mac and Cheese.
	Could anyone ever get sick of that clip?
	Heck, play it six or seven times back-to-back.
	You slaves can get used to mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	All right, there you go.
	Anyway, he goes on to say, Needless to say, you've been hitting it out of the park lately?
	Indeed, all summer.
	Round here, I am mouth-hitting at a furious pace and call on my fellow A2 listeners to do the same.
	A squared.
	Actually.
	And by the by, what happened to the rain sticks?
	Oh.
	Let's wrap this up with a douchebag call-out to Tango Hotel Kilo.
	Douchebag!
	Feel free to apply the patented J.C. Dvorak Amateur Radio Mnemonic Obfuscation Filter.
	And there's your rain stick.
	Brian Moses Hall.
	Kitty ate total inward your...
	Oh, boy.
	Oh, brother.
	An old ham.
	He's got just the one letter.
	Come over to Echo Link 3373.
	That's where we hang out sometimes.
	Thank him for being the executive producer, the sole executive producer for our show 553.
	Anonymous in anonymous California or Canada.
	I can't tell.
	But he's anonymous, anonymous, and more anonymous at $210.12.
	And he just would like some job karma.
	All right.
	We'll give him to that.
	Here you go.
	You've got karma.
	Yeah, so that's...
	So we have to kind of make up for lost time on show 554 coming up.
	Go to Dvorak.org slash NA. ChannelDvorak.com slash NA. NoagendaShow.com.
	Hit the donate button.
	Noagenda Nation's got one, too.
	And I'll hit the donate button here.
	Dvorak.org.
	Quick shout-out, since we have so much time in this particular segment, to producer James, who registered governmentslimdown.com for us, forwarding to noagendashow.com.
	He says he's heard this as a meme.
	I haven't heard this as a meme anywhere.
	Have you?
	What, government slingbox?
	That's what I need.
	Yes, government slingbox.
	Hey, you know, our slingbox support has kind of fallen by the wayside.
	It's faltering, yes.
	It's not a very popular device anymore, I don't think.
	Well, it's still a good device for people who are on the road a lot.
	Yeah, I don't think...
	And if anybody's got a slingbox, I still need one in Europe, and I need one in London.
	One of our...
	I forgot which one of our...
	You have the one from Mr.
	Oil, don't you?
	Yeah, it's Oil.
	Mr.
	Oil.
	It doesn't work.
	It's an old software, and it doesn't...
	Ah, this guy's got to upgrade his firmware.
	I gave up on it.
	No, but they've also made it more complicated for you to be sharing your Slingbox.
	There's all kinds of stuff.
	They don't want that.
	No, they do want it.
	Talk to your buddy Leo.
	He has a sponsorship with them.
	They should be like...
	No, he does not.
	Yes, he does.
	All of Twitch's live coverage of Apple events are brought to you by Slingbox.
	Oh.
	Well, that doesn't help me.
	I still need somebody in London or Paris or Europe or something.
	The Australian box is still working and it's great.
	And there's a box in Tampa that works and there was a box in Los Angeles that doesn't work anymore and one in New York and one in Canada.
	I'm short a couple.
	I'd like to get with South America.
	All right, everybody, help John out.
	He clearly needs the help.
	Bermuda.
	And we need you to do something else, which is go out and propagate the formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	New world.
	Order.
	Shut up, slave.
	Squirrel.
	Shut up, slave.
	Alright, so here is the question that I need answered.
	Now, we have been talking on this very program, sometimes known as the best podcast in the universe, about the potential for a meltdown of the economy in October.
	Right.
	Now, let me just understand.
	I'm going to ask you some rhetorical questions.
	Rhetorical questions are not real questions.
	No, but I'm still going to ask them.
	The way I understand what is happening with the quantitative easing in the Federal Reserve is the following.
	The Federal Reserve lends money to banks for free, basically, at 0% interest.
	Well, it's pretty close to that.
	It may be at, what do you call that, a basis point, maybe a hundredth of a percent.
	It's just a small prick.
	Just a prick.
	And so a bank will then take that and they will then go and buy U.S. bonds, which will give them a return of 2.3% or whatever.
	That's kind of the scam, right?
	Isn't that kind of how it works?
	Well, I think that's just one element of a bigger picture.
	But that's a multi-billion dollar system right there, right?
	Well, it's mostly the Federal Reserve buying the bonds, right?
	Yeah, but the Federal Reserve consists of banks.
	I mean, that's what Goldman Sachs.
	Yeah.
	It's the Federal Reserve system.
	So it's the bank.
	Okay, thank you.
	We're buying.
	We're essentially creating money in some fashion.
	Well, here comes the question.
	To the point of $80-plus billion a month.
	And the American people pay interest on that on the 10-year bond, 2.3%.
	It's a very small amount of money.
	Well, that depends on how big the number of bonds are.
	I mean, what's 2.3% of $80 billion of a trillion?
	Well, it adds up.
	It adds up.
	Now, if we continue with the government shutdown, and we possibly, you know, we all know how the fake rating agencies work, they'll get pulled in, and they give us a ding on the rating.
	There's no evidence of that.
	I'm asking...
	Can I get the question out before you...
	Well, it's a rhetorical question, so I'm kibitzing.
	Let's say that we're a month down the road, and so now the full faith and credit is being questioned, etc.
	Would it not behoove the system...
	Behoove.
	Behoove the system.
	Write that down.
	Behoove.
	Would it not behoove the system to have the credit rating affected or the markets in some other way start to raise the yield on these treasury bonds?
	Which is what happens, right?
	Isn't it like the less...
	It could happen, yes.
	No, it's terrible!
	No, but that would be great for the banks, wouldn't it?
	The banks are holding all these bonds.
	Yeah, no, but they'll be making more interest.
	No, no.
	Is that not how it works?
	The bond goes down in value.
	Goes down in value, but the return, the interest...
	And so whatever return you get...
	Yeah, well, hold on.
	It's a fulcrum.
	It's like a teeter-totter.
	No, hold on a sec.
	But that goes on for a little while, and then everything back to normal.
	We settle everything, and then they've made a nice little...
	Everyone could make like $10 billion.
	Easy, easy money.
	Is that not possible?
	Is that part of an overall scheme?
	Look, JP Morgan is about to pay an $11 billion fine.
	That's at best.
	Yeah, those guys have got lots of money.
	Where do they get this money from?
	I like to know myself.
	We're in the wrong business.
	Did you see that...
	It's been going around.
	Did you see the CNBC... This was actually phenomenally funny.
	I guess the guy from...
	Is it Slate?
	I think it's Slate.
	Or Salon, maybe.
	He wrote an article about Jamie Dimon saying Jamie Dimon shouldn't be the...
	Under no circumstance should he be the CEO of JPMorgan Chase.
	The guy's horrible.
	And then he went on CNBC with Maria...
	Alex Perrine is his name.
	And he went on...
	And he's on Salon.
	Salon.
	Yeah, he went on CNBC with Maria Bartiromo.
	Did you see this thing?
	No, no.
	Well, let's just listen to it.
	Comment as it goes along.
	It is unbelievable how these people just pretend like JPMorgan Chase has done nothing wrong.
	Like they've never paid billions of dollars in fines before.
	There's nothing to see here.
	There's no corruption going on.
	Because it's the most profitable bank in the universe, therefore it's all great.
	This was really an unbelievable eye-opener to me.
	Yep, absolutely.
	That stock's down over 1% this week.
	Jamie Dimon looking to end government probes into its selling of potentially shoddy mortgage securities.
	He was at the Justice Department yesterday working out the particulars.
	The guy's literally working out a deal.
	...on a possible $11 billion settlement on both federal and state levels.
	So why is the firm getting so much heat from regulators?
	Salon journalist Alex Perrine is with us.
	He says, Jamie Dimon is the reason, and he's doing more harm than good to J.P. Morgan.
	Fortune's Duff McDonald could not disagree more.
	So they've got the duo box.
	Perrine is there in the studio, and then they've got the guy from Fortune, who's a shill.
	He's on the remote.
	Here we are talking about this.
	Alex, to you first.
	Legal problems aside, J.P. Morgan remains one of the best.
	Legal problems aside, John.
	Did we just not notice that?
	If not the best performing major bank in the world today, do you believe the leader of that bank should step down?
	I think anytime you're looking at the greatest fine in the history of Wall Street regulation, it's really worth asking, is this guy, should this guy stay in his job in any other industry?
	I can't think of another industry.
	If he managed a restaurant and he got the biggest health department fine in the history of restaurants, no one would be like, yeah, but the restaurant's making a lot of money.
	There's only a little bit of poison in the food.
	Has the qualifications.
	I thought this guy was very funny, by the way.
	It's a false comparison and an illogic, but okay, it's very funny.
	Well, he had to do that because these people are shilling so hard for Jamie Dimon.
	I think a bank might be too big and too complicated and at this point too corrupt for anyone to run, but we could just give almost anyone else a shot and see if they could do better.
	Too corrupt is a bit hyperbolic, perhaps.
	Hey, you can't be saying that about J.P. Morgan.
	You can't say it is too corrupt.
	That is hyperbole, I tell you.
	You agree or disagree?
	Absolutely not.
	He obviously got attention with this article.
	He got your attention.
	It's preposterous.
	The stock's touching a 10-year high.
	It's a cash-generating machine.
	Sure, they've had their regulatory issues, but...
	John, do you not see the humor in this?
	That's very good.
	Yeah, they've had their regulatory issues.
	Yes, they've had some issues, but look at this, a cash-generating machine.
	A cash-generating machine.
	Looking to settle them expeditiously at this point.
	It gets even funnier.
	Bartiromo.
	This guy's got, like, a stick up his ass or something, the way he talks.
	Wait until you hear Bartiromo, though.
	She goes off.
	It's hilarious.
	Which is everything you want out of a CEO.
	It's an absurd suggestion.
	Duff, maybe we should pose the question.
	Does Jamie Dimon want...
	Sorry?
	The guy's name is Duff?
	I guess.
	Duff?
	Yeah.
	Like Duff Beer?
	Like, well, Duff McKagan.
	Famous.
	Sorry.
	That's all right.
	But to go.
	I mean, given everything that's been going on around this company, it seems like he's taking arrows from all sides almost every week at this point.
	Maybe he doesn't want it anymore.
	And within a year, he's not even going to be there.
	Who knows?
	Aw, poor Jamie!
	I doubt he's interested in leaving.
	For one, he probably wouldn't want to leave on a low note like this.
	But, you know, he's expressed a desire to stick around for quite some time.
	The only thing that's going to have him leave is the board or shareholders basically showing him the door.
	And, you know, despite suggestions that he should leave because they're paying a fine, you know, no major shareholders are calling for his departure.
	No, it's a cash-generating machine.
	Of course not.
	Who cares?
	I mean, you just have to pay, you know, 30% of your net profit is going in fines.
	Well, it's like during the era where AT&T was slamming its customers.
	I remember this.
	We had this problem at this house right here.
	And they would slam and slam and slam, and it turned out the money they were making by ripping people off with the long-distance charges...
	It was worth it.
	The money they had to pay in fines was less than the profits they were making on the scam.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	So as long as that's in play, only an idiot wouldn't take advantage of it.
	Talk about the financial strength of J.P. Morgan at this point.
	I mean, even with all of these losses, the company continues to churn out tens of billions of dollars in earnings and hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue.
	How do you criticize that?
	How can you criticize the blatant corruption and criminal enterprise that is J.P. Morgan?
	You can't do that.
	Well, I think a lot of their earnings and revenue we've seen have come from really shady dealings.
	Oh, come on.
	Name three shady dealings.
	Oh, wow.
	Do you have a minute?
	All right.
	Bribery in China.
	Hiring.
	This is where he went off the rails.
	That was not a good one.
	I mean, come on, man.
	Didn't they just pay like a billion dollar fine for something just last year?
	They've been paying, I think, seven, eight, maybe nine.
	You shouldn't be saying things that you can't prove.
	Well, the nepotism is her problem.
	Because she is blowing Jamie Dimon.
	Listen, hold on a second.
	Hold on a second.
	This is CNBC, right?
	Yeah.
	They bring you on for the sole purpose of making these arguments.
	When you do CNBC, they call you in advance.
	And the producer asks you, they tell you what they're going to ask you, and then they get your answers.
	And you actually do the show kind of in advance before they drop you into that box.
	And when you're in the box, you are supposed to perform like a monkey.
	Well, he's in the studio, and he's supposed to do that.
	I think this is, he wrote this article, this blog post, And it was Jamie Dimon has to go.
	And so they know.
	It seems to me that the target of this discussion was J.P. Morgan and Jamie Dimon, not this guy in Salon.
	They set him up.
	No, the target is this guy from Salon.
	He is to be brought down.
	This is what's so beautiful about this.
	Because this is not real reporting.
	This is Maria Bartiromo on the J.P. Morgan chase prick.
	Bribery in China, hiring based on nepotism.
	You shouldn't be saying things that you can't prove.
	Well, the nepotism hiring the children of prominent Chinese officials is not something I just made up.
	Have they been charged?
	They haven't been charged, but it's a fact.
	It's in the news.
	Everyone knows about it.
	What's a fact?
	What is a fact?
	The fact that they hired the children of prominent party officials and there's a spreadsheet on which it's connected to deals they were trying to do in China.
	I don't like hearing things that are not actual facts on this program.
	Anyone can just Google China and J.P. Morgan and see this.
	I mean, it's not.
	It was in the New York Times.
	It's not.
	Oh, the New York Times.
	Oh.
	You know...
	Oh!
	The New York Times!
	I'm sorry.
	The New York Times, for as little regard as I might have for it, is still kind of the paper of record of the United States.
	And she's going like, oh, well, the New York Times, who believes that rag?
	She sounds like she's on one of the Fox shows.
	It's never been a crime to hire the children of connected people.
	It's not a crime to do so.
	It's just shady.
	Part of the point Maria makes when she cites the performance of the bank, I mean, Shareholders have no reason to want this guy to leave.
	Stock is up 18% year to date.
	He's considered to be one of the most respected CEOs on the street, sometimes in some forms, even mentioned as a possible Treasury Secretary somewhere down the line, if he so chooses and is so asked.
	I mean, why would shareholders want this guy to go?
	I think that because he's a PR nightmare for the bank.
	If you look outside of the financial media, if you look outside of CNBC, Like, every time J.P. Morgan has been in the headlines for the last year, it's been for terrible news.
	It's been bad PR for the bank.
	And I think maybe there is a bubble you can be in in which you never hear anything negative about the man, and you hear he's the smartest guy on Wall Street.
	But, like, out in the rest of the world, it's nothing but bad PR from Diamond and for J.P. Morgan.
	Duff, what about that?
	The guy's a lightweight.
	We would have been so much better on doing this interview.
	But it goes on.
	I just thought it was so funny just to hear Maria Bartiromo.
	Maybe she's auditioning.
	Maybe she's getting fired.
	Well, she does have a shorter career.
	I mean, ever since Cutie Pie came in and then left, she pushed Bartiromo aside.
	Oh, you mean...
	Burn it?
	Burn it?
	Yeah, burn it.
	Burn it.
	Join it and burn it.
	So, anyway, I think this is kind of poorly handled.
	I'm not absolutely sure what the point of it was, but I do remember years and years ago when I was in New York, so I caught some of the early shows on CNBC while I was there, and there was a guy that came on.
	This is before Lehman Brothers went broke, and he had all the goods on Lehman Brothers saying, here's what's going to happen.
	He came out with a little book on it.
	About Lehman Brothers is like, down the tubes, they're telling me they had the same exact aggressive approach with this guy, who was well known to the CNBC crew, and they jumped all over him for just saying anything bad about Lehman or that they were in trouble.
	It was a huge, it was just the same thing.
	Like, they were defending this company that, it turns out, was in great trouble, which does, of course, their viewership no good.
	And CNBC has this huge weakness.
	They're kind of boosters for these big banks and some of these other guys, even though they...
	They're on the wrong side of the argument.
	I'm now thinking, after hearing this, that there's something really wrong at J.P. Morgan that should be looked into.
	Maybe it's going to fall apart.
	Something's up.
	The thing that is not being discussed, which I kind of would expect from a CNBC news program...
	Is $11 billion in fines.
	What did they do?
	I mean, you can't just say, oh yeah, London Whale.
	I mean, I was speeding by 14 miles.
	I was going 94 in an 80 zone.
	I got a $248 ticket.
	I see it go up with the more miles per hour that I'm exceeding that limit and a certain point they just take me off the road, take my license away, I'm done, adios mofo.
	What did you do And who then works with you on determining that we're going to...
	I mean, this has to be organized crime.
	If you're saying, okay, well, you made $35 billion in profit, that's your net, but you did it with some illegal activity, why else are you getting fined?
	It's not like you're not running your business properly.
	That's not how America works.
	What was the HSBC fine for all the money laundering?
	I think it was $300 million or something.
	HSBC money laundering fine.
	And that was like just nothing but straight up illegal doings.
	Yeah, it was literally laundering drug money through Mexican banks.
	Yes, they're Mexican outfits.
	1.9 billion.
	1.9 billion, okay.
	Okay, so they got hit with 1.9 billion for one of the most onerous crimes supporting the drug industry.
	And these guys were 11.
	So what you're saying is why?
	Yeah, what did they really do that we don't know about?
	Because it's like an awfully big fine considering that HSBC... You know, it was $1.9 billion.
	These fines, by the way, are just outrageous.
	Well, but you have to think.
	So the number seems to be, of course, it's 33, obviously.
	About a third, about 33% of whatever you make illegally, you have to kick back...
	To the government.
	Yeah, but I'm not quite sure.
	And by the way, where does that go?
	Does that go into the Treasury?
	Does that go...
	Yeah, I think it does.
	I think it goes to the general funds.
	Does it go into Obama's stash?
	Maybe.
	But I think it's supposed to go into the general funds, I believe.
	But, of course, it's a spit in the bucket.
	But it has to be that they're really doing something highly illegal.
	And it's got to be more illegal than this money drug laundering.
	I'm telling you, the Silk Road shutdown, it's funny.
	Let me tell you something.
	I got a note.
	I got a message through back channels.
	Remember our friends in Zouk?
	Oh yeah.
	Zoog.
	Zoog, yeah.
	We're going to see it.
	We're going to fuck everybody!
	They love it when I... Yeah, that's probably what they sound like.
	No, they were astounded.
	They thought it was a recording of them.
	So, I got a message from the Zook guys that there was going to be a huge...
	Now, the message I got was a little different, and it was the day before yesterday.
	The message was, there's going to be a currency manipulation scam, and they were saying it was Iraqi dinars.
	Now, the Iraqi dinar scam, you know, this has been going on for a long time, and it's not an official currency.
	You know, it's like, well, it's an official currency, but it's not really a forex currency that people trade in.
	So I'm looking into it, I'm like, why would these guys set me up on an Iraqi dinar scam?
	Like, I'm not supposed to go out and buy some Iraqi dinars, or wait for it to drop and then buy because it's going to go up.
	And then the next day...
	We see, because of the Silk Road shutdown, we see the Bitcoin price go from $140 to $109, and then within an hour, it's back at $130.
	Nice rebound.
	And today it is still hovering around 130.
	The high so far was 132.
	So a lot of money was made on this.
	And it's not like everyone just went, oh, we can't buy drugs, no more Bitcoin.
	So I'm thinking they were giving me code.
	I misunderstood the code.
	Why would they be giving you code?
	Because they like how I imitate their voice.
	They can't just say, you know, this is a pretty serious thing that happened.
	If it's true, I can't verify.
	Well, let's talk about this now, because I think people are interested in our analysis of the Silk Road situation.
	Yes, I agree.
	And so what do you have?
	I mean, I... I have a number of things.
	I have a number of things.
	I have a number of things, but my things are all superficial.
	You'll have a number of things that are probably more interesting.
	Well, yeah, I went down...
	Well, let's see.
	If it's true, what do I assert?
	I went down multiple roads.
	All right, well, let me come up with a couple of superficial things first.
	All right.
	First of all, I'm not sure that this is the same guy that was running...
	That started it off.
	No, we know that...
	There's no evidence of that.
	And if you look at the indictment, at least the New York one...
	This indictment, I felt...
	It is a crock of crap.
	It looked to me like an advertisement for online drug buying.
	And it's looked at me, well, which reminds me I've got a great advertisement.
	We'll remember, but here's why.
	First of all, it completely explains how you do it, how it works.
	So it's like, okay, in case you ever want to buy drugs illegally online, you can go to Black Market Reloaded.
	There's a ton of drug sites just like Silk Road that are around and that have now garnered strength amazingly.
	It tells you how to do it.
	It tells you how it works.
	It tells you how you stay anonymous.
	In fact, it tells you the thing is completely secure as long as you're not having fake IDs sent over to rent servers that you log in as the douche at douchebag.org.
	Or actually, frosty at frosty.com.
	Frosty.com.
	Well, frosty.com is a Wendy's domain name, so that's kind of bullcrap right there.
	Yeah, no, that's a good example.
	But it literally says...
	That the quality of the drugs was extremely high.
	Great drugs, great product.
	So I felt that if anything...
	This was a great...
	I don't know if they even arrested anybody.
	We have no way of knowing.
	There's no one coming out.
	Well, the guy's supposed to be over in San Francisco.
	Yeah, but where's the perp walk?
	Where's the press release?
	We haven't seen him arrested.
	Come on!
	I mean, this is huge.
	This is a billion dollars, they're saying.
	And no one's coming out and claiming victory?
	Are you kidding me?
	Here's another thing.
	The guy, the Silk Road guy...
	He supposedly made $80 million in commissions.
	He was essentially a middleman.
	Living in his buddy's apartment.
	Yeah, and he's living in some shithole in San Francisco with two roommates.
	Like, yeah, okay, let me tell you.
	I don't care how clandestine you want to be.
	If I have $80 million in commissions from my little Silk Road project, dude...
	So just to make it a little weirder, and I agree with you, I thought the complaint, which was basically a request for an arrest warrant...
	And by the way, I find it to be very strange the way it was written.
	I thought it was poorly written.
	It uses the special FBI agent...
	The Elliot Ness of narcotics.
	Well, he's the same guy that nabbed Sabu of Anonymous.
	Christopher Tarbell.
	So I thought that, to me, that was more a red flag than anything.
	I'm like, oh, really?
	It's that guy again?
	This is all they got?
	They only have one guy who can do this?
	And then there's a second complaint that was filed in Maryland.
	By the way, just go back to the first complaint before you go to the second.
	All right.
	I want to mention that the only evidence they have that it's the same guy is because he was on some forum with his real name asking for some code that he could run on the PHP server to fix a bug that apparently was on the Silk Road servers.
	And they took the code that they used to...
	This is bullcrap, by the way, but this is what they say.
	They found the code on the Silk Road service that was similar, but not the same, as the code he was given in this forum to fix a bug problem.
	But that doesn't mean he wasn't like a contractor.
	I mean, this is the evidence that he's the guy?
	Yeah.
	So, well, this was only used apparently to get a warrant.
	I know.
	So here's stuff that I didn't like.
	Count one of the original complaint.
	Is this in the Maryland complaint?
	No, no.
	I'm going to do the Maryland.
	This is count one of the New York one.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Narcotics trafficking conspiracy.
	And under the conspiracy, there's four points.
	And then the sixth point is under overt acts.
	Under the first count is where he tried to have someone execute another Silk Road user under murder for hire.
	Why is that under...
	I'm not a lawyer, but why is that under narcotics trafficking conspiracy?
	And by the way, computer hacking conspiracy, money laundering conspiracy.
	So, conspiring is one thing, to do something is another.
	So, I'm not sure about any of this.
	The other thing that's weird is that this assassination, supposedly...
	Which was, I guess they wiretapped some conversation or they got some of his messages.
	They could never prove that anyone was even killed.
	And they mention that in here.
	No, no, no.
	I saw it because they check with the Canadian authorities.
	However, the Bitcoin chain of the payment equaling this $150,000, that, of course, everyone immediately all over the web is, oh, look, you can see, here's the money.
	You don't know really where it's going.
	You can follow the chain as to this exact amount which was sent on that exact day.
	So it feels to me like this was very carefully constructed to have this part of the story make sense, even though we can't find a body.
	In the Maryland complaint, this is what's interesting.
	You know, in the one you read, he refers to having someone killed before for $80,000.
	Right?
	Well, there was a range of prices, but yes.
	Well, he says, why does it have to be between $150,000 and $300,000?
	I've had it done before for $80,000.
	Right, right, right.
	So that $80,000 in the Maryland complaint on or about January 26, 2013, Ross William Olbrecht, a.k.a. Dread Pirate Roberts, a.k.a. DPR, communicated with the undercover agent via the Internet, told the EUC that the employee had been arrested by law enforcement.
	The employee had stolen funds from other Silk Road users, asked the undercover agent to arrange for the employee to be beaten and forced to return the money, stating specifically, I'd like him beat up, then forced to send the bitcoins he stole back, and then later he says, I'd like to change the order to execute, I'd like to change the order to execute, rather torture, And this is where that $80,000 came from.
	Apparently, according to this, he was, you know, and they staged with photos, they staged that this employee got beat up and was killed.
	But the cops were luring him into doing this.
	Another one of those deals.
	Yeah, but it seems like we have two separate agencies, two separate people working on this.
	No one has really released this.
	I mean, no one's talking about the Maryland complaint.
	Everyone's talking about the New York one.
	And then, of course, we get everyone jumping up and down about how incredibly secure Tor is and how great it works.
	Yeah, I noticed that, too.
	It seemed to be overdone.
	Ah, now, so here's where I found something, I believe, of interesting value.
	So the Tor blog, and of course this is our buddy, what's his name?
	Applebaum.
	This is the, you know, he speaks on behalf of Julian Assange and Laura Poitras.
	So he writes this huge blog post about, you know, if you read the complaint, you can see that, you know, yes, he did some careless stuff happen, but that had nothing to do with the security of Tor.
	The Onion, everything works fantastic.
	Everything's great.
	EFF comes out, says something very similar.
	I've always been suspicious of EFF. And I'm like, you know, and then I see in this blog post that Tor...
	This is a 5013C non-profit corporation.
	Did you know that?
	Uh-oh.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	You got me on that one.
	And this is where Adam gets a hard-on.
	So I pull the 990.
	And this is always fun because you want to look at the address.
	Oh, by the way, they brought in $1.3 million in 2011.
	2012 has not been filed yet.
	They have a couple more weeks to do that.
	Not bad.
	$1.3 million for the Tor project.
	Of course, you always have to consider where that money is coming from.
	They have a statement to develop, improve, distribute free, publicly available tools and programs that promote free speech, free expression, civic engagement, and privacy rights online.
	Okay, makes sense.
	Now, let's find out a little bit about where their money is going.
	They have...
	By the way, this Applebaum is not on the...
	He's not an employee.
	So we have Roger Dingledine, which that's an alice I've ever heard one.
	But okay, Roger Dingledine, he's making $126,000.
	Nick Mathewson, he makes $126,000.
	Andrew Luman...
	He makes $140,000.
	And then they have this interesting entry, you know, if you give more than $100,000 of compensation to any external organization, you have to report that.
	And they spent $127,500 on Formless Networking LLC. 3080 Raymond Street, San Francisco.
	So I'm looking around, and it turns out that Formless LLC was target of an anonymous hit.
	A couple years ago, that Anonymous was outing this same organization as the company that was helping to create servers for pedophiles and for pedo-bear networks.
	Right.
	I remember this when this went down.
	So, for some reason, Formless LLC received $127,500.
	Wouldn't it make more sense that Formless would be giving them money?
	Not the other way around?
	That doesn't make any sense.
	Well, let's take a look at where their money comes from.
	This is kind of cool.
	Now, remember, this is for free speech and to protect your speech.
	I've just learned.
	Well, we've both taken this approach.
	If it says it's something pro, it's against.
	Let's stop all this for it.
	Everything is the opposite.
	Contract income from SRI, which is some form of institute.
	It used to be Stanford Research Institute that went private and it's a think tank.
	Yes.
	Half a million dollars from them.
	SIDA, contract income.
	I believe this is a Swedish think tank.
	279.
	The National Science Foundation, 143.
	And then something called the Internews Network.
	Inter News Network.
	Wow, John, have you ever heard of the Inter News Network?
	No.
	Oh, please, point your browser to...
	Yeah, it's going to be a good one.
	It's really bad.
	Internews.org.
	Yeah, go to internews.org while I bring up their Form 990.
	This one's a little longer.
	Yeah.
	Local voices, global change, global issues, where we work, our stories.
	Yeah, why don't you go to our stories.
	Yeah, go to our stories slash in the news.
	So you get r-stories.
	Right, I'm looking.
	And what do we see?
	All kinds of logos here from people who are helping.
	USAID, right at the top of the list.
	Gee, yes, that would be correct.
	IJNet, GeoJournalism Handbook.
	Global Voices.
	World Wildlife Federation.
	Global Voices.
	Iron.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	How much money do you think this little non-profit, this internews...
	Let's just see what their...
	These guys basically produce propaganda for various organizations.
	Yes, that would be correct.
	And so they give money to the TOR project.
	Why?
	Okay, so let me just read from this here.
	I've circled their...
	Okay, so Internews Network, they work in Asia, Africa, Europe and Eurasia.
	I'll just give you Europe just an example.
	This is from their Form 990.
	This is what they tell the government that they do.
	We provide technical support to independent TV, radio, print, and online media sources in the region, train career and citizen journalists in professional ethical journalism, and assist traditional media outlets to create interactive multimedia online presences.
	We work with local media NGOs and associations to create active networks of media professionals, enabling them to speak out with one voice against censorship and repressive policies.
	We provide legal assistance to journalists and bloggers in trouble and advocate for free and open Internet policies.
	Our work in the region creates opportunities for dialogue across borders, bringing colleagues from polarized societies together in collaborative exchanges.
	This is for Europe.
	you And you know how much money they brought in in 2011, John, to help journalists and bloggers and non-governmental organizations across the world?
	I would assume it would be over $10 million.
	$56 million.
	Are you fucking kidding me?
	This is the propaganda arm.
	This is where it comes from.
	And it comes in from USAID and all these other bullcrap government organizations.
	David Hoffman, by the way, the CEO, makes $350,000.
	It's a bonanza.
	Their assets at the end of 2011 was over $100 million.
	Do they lobby?
	Oh, yeah.
	They spend a couple million dollars on lobbying.
	Why would a news organization be doing that?
	Because it's propaganda.
	And the Tor network is a part of it.
	And if they're not, then they should refuse money from this organization.
	This organization stands for everything the Tor network should not be.
	Unless it's compromised in some way, and it's just one big joke.
	Well, I tend to kind of be along those lines of thinking.
	Well, check it out.
	I'm just looking at some of the money they spent.
	So, for media assistance to Russia and the newly independent states in 2011, $11 million.
	Yeah, to F. Putin.
	You think that these are the techno-experts, John?
	This is Hillary's techno-expert program right here.
	That's one of them.
	We're going to teach you how to blog and blog about your horrible leader.
	America good!
	Putin bad!
	Anyway, you can find all of these Form 990s under Silk Road in the show notes, 553.nashownotes.com.
	So, you know, there's a couple things going on.
	Number one, Silk Road, I think, is definitely gone.
	I have to say I found the logo that the so-called law enforcement agencies who have seized this hidden site.
	It's nice of them to put a little Silk Road logo in the background.
	I thought that was a nice touch.
	I had no idea they had time to Photoshop that stuff, but okay.
	I found that to be strange.
	Yes.
	If anything, if we don't see a perp, if we don't see some guy getting strung up, if we don't see people claiming big victory over this $1.2 billion, I'm going to say it was one, a great manipulation scheme of Bitcoin.
	Someone made a lot of good money on that.
	I will also say that it's probably going to be Black Market Reloaded, although I don't think that's a great name.
	There's going to be a Silk Road, too, that will take off in the same manner.
	People will feel confident.
	They'll feel, oh, there's this tour stuff.
	It totally works.
	And I think the government will actually be running that one.
	I thought the government was running this one because it was just too easy.
	It was working too well.
	It may have been.
	It still could be, but I think that this is a great marketing exercise.
	Like, let's bust this.
	No, I could make the argument that the government was running it.
	It was a honeypot.
	And the reason that...
	Because you actually yourself said that the indictment was really more of a promotion for how to use these systems to encourage more people to try them.
	And so it would make sense because the only reason...
	The way you're going to get this marketing information, this collateral information out, is by busting them.
	Yeah, and having this document, which is poorly written, I feel...
	It's like a mediocre user's guide written by a Chinese.
	Yes.
	Well, hold on.
	And since when does an FBI special officer, special agent, use the word fake?
	Fake IDs, fake this, fake that.
	No, no.
	There are other words you use in these types of reports.
	Counterfeit.
	Counterfeit, illegal, illicit.
	But, you know, it's fake.
	It was a fake ID. That, to me, was not FBI language.
	And for it to be the same guy who brought down Anonymous, yeah, very funny.
	So we'll see.
	And it would be funny if my order still showed up.
	That would be cool.
	Otherwise, I'm out.8 Bitcoin.
	Damn.
	Oh well.
	Well they had a really, I picked up a couple different reports that were in the news.
	They had a really long, in fact I didn't even clip any of it because it was so long.
	It was on PBS NewsHour and It was done, apparently some woman from ITV or some other organization had done some report.
	And it was, I would like to, I'm going to send it to you eventually so you can listen to the horrible cuts that were the long click, you know, every time there was an edit.
	There was all these edits.
	Everything was edited and you just hear click.
	Really?
	Yeah, it was terrible.
	It was the worst edited piece I'd ever heard anywhere.
	As we speak, by the way, just us talking about it, Bitcoin up to 130.6.
	God, look, we're good.
	rock it.
	We're good, John.
	So, okay, so you weren't buying this either.
	I mean, it No.
	There's just too much missing.
	It was way too much missing, and the thing about the guy living in an apartment with two roommates, Josh, was like a little much.
	Meanwhile...
	I mean, there's a million ways.
	If you're like someone...
	I mean, you could live at one of the apartments at the Ritz-Carlton.
	Maybe, of course, the whole thing was bad.
	Yeah.
	But we'll see.
	It will slowly emerge.
	Oh, here.
	I've got the report here.
	It's a Silk Road and bad editing clip.
	Maybe some of this is on there.
	You can just listen carefully to this report and tell me what you think.
	Television News investigated the world of online drug sales recently.
	We begin with this account from correspondent Cordelia Lynch.
	We decided to see just how easy it is to buy drugs on a site called Silk Road.
	Well, on here I can see everything from heroin, crack, ecstasy pills.
	The heroin here goes from US $225 up to US $5,000.
	You can even rate people.
	This is a system based on trust.
	Here the seller says two grams of the best Afghan brown heroin.
	Satisfaction guaranteed, it promises.
	We bought three and a half grams of MDMA, a key ingredient in ecstasy, and one gram of opium.
	Well, the envelopes have arrived.
	It took just three days, and now we're going to find out what's inside.
	We're at a government-licensed laboratory, and they're going to test the contents for us.
	John Ramsey is a toxicologist who spent nearly three decades analyzing drugs for the police.
	So we've got an almost perfect match for crystal MDI. Next he tested the opium we ordered.
	So we've got one small package which could be opium.
	It too tested positive.
	Are you surprised that these things are so readily available on the internet?
	Yes I am.
	We know there's a ready market in legal highs but these are illegal compounds and I am surprised that it's relatively straightforward to buy them across the world.
	This is a giant promotion.
	You're right.
	It's an ad.
	It's an ad.
	The quality is great.
	And the funny thing is that the Bitcoin on the Silk Road becomes its own entity.
	And what I mean by that is...
	I think, at least I noticed this, that you are no longer thinking about what is that really worth.
	It's just, oh, it's like, that's.8 Bitcoin.
	That's a good deal.
	Without even thinking, of course, I never actually spent any money on my Bitcoins.
	You know, they were kind of given to me when they were worth nothing.
	You know, it's like the economy of that marketplace really worked.
	It really, really worked.
	And by the way, I think, what a great system.
	You know, we don't have people going out, you know, to buy drugs on the street.
	You know, it's delivered to your home.
	I passed a black man.
	Starve him out.
	They're not all black.
	What is that?
	That's bad.
	That's bad what you just said.
	That's no good.
	That's something Eric would say.
	That's no good.
	Really?
	No wonder he hates me.
	Well, let's take another look at this as a promotional tool because this is what it seems like.
	They were just saying this is great quality.
	The question that comes to mind as I watch any of these is where are the sniffer dogs?
	Now, I don't care what anybody says.
	If you put marijuana in anything, they're just a residual aroma.
	The dogs can find that.
	Of course they can.
	The dogs can find it in a heartbeat.
	I don't care what you do.
	That's because those dogs have got, you know, sensory organs that are outstanding and they're keyed in to some of these drugs.
	And so, where, how come people haven't been, how do these things arrive in the mail?
	You got a shipment, I don't know what you put in it, but whatever it was, it could have been caught by a dog, it seems to me.
	And meanwhile...
	Drugs flying around with all these dogs that can smell this stuff going right through the post office service.
	Although if it was something like one of these toxins that they had a big stink over, they could catch those things.
	Ricin, they can find ricin beans, but they can't find marijuana, right?
	And they also managed to stop this bogus stoppage of this guy, the guy in San Francisco with his fake IDs, using the word fake, apparently all came in one big bundle with a bunch of different passports and other things.
	They stopped that.
	Yeah, and conveniently they opened it up.
	Routine, routine, routine, routine.
	Yeah, it was what I said, a routine check.
	And so they catch that, which seems unlikely.
	But also how this story broke.
	This was another flag for me.
	We first got this document from some guy at UC Berkeley, who's like some computer analyst or security analyst, and he somehow got the document.
	See, this is why the government shutdown is an issue, because there's nothing as updated on any government websites past September 30th, which is conveniently timed.
	So we don't really know the authenticity of this.
	Other than that they look like documents that have been typed up and or printed out and then scanned.
	I think they're authentic, but you're right.
	I couldn't find the assistant district attorney anywhere in New York, the name.
	Couldn't find that.
	You know, it's easy to put MAS on there because everyone knows MAS. But, you know, they do press releases for everything.
	They're always out in front of the cameras.
	There's always something to boast about.
	Now they're not a $1.2 billion marketplace of illegal drugs and firearms, which is not true.
	There were no firearms on Silk Road.
	Not that I could find, at least.
	And an $80 million take, and a guy in an apartment.
	What?
	What?
	We had Bloomberg in New York, and this was a New York indictment, or a New York warrant.
	Bloomberg in New York, he had the biggest haul of guns ever.
	He had like, you know, 50 guns on a table.
	Press conference.
	Remember that one where he had all the guns pointed towards the press, which was kind of funny?
	They had it on the table, all with the firing end pointed towards the audience.
	There was like 50 guns, you know, and then, oh, here comes, look at these guns we got.
	I mean, so...
	Let's just say it was compromised a long time ago, probably the time when it went offline for two weeks.
	They brought it back online, made it better, everyone's in place, they're running everything, they got it all good to go.
	Maybe they have to bring in a few agents to make them think like they're actually doing something good and they're on board with something.
	Meanwhile, it's being run by the guys who actually run the drugs in America, which is the CIA. It's just another outlet.
	The only annoying thing is they can't get the banks involved, so they have to grab this Bitcoin thing, and they've got to start shuttling that through Jamie Dimon.
	And we've got to have everyone on board with this thing.
	It's a great way.
	The post office will soon be out of business.
	They'll shut that down under bogative circumstances, and then we'll make more money by shipping it through FedEx.
	This is going to be great.
	This could save our economy, by the way.
	So I'm not against it.
	Well, you're not against whether or not it saves the economy.
	Let's be honest.
	I think I love seeing how this works.
	Oh, and by the way, little side note, you also get to think that you're completely secure with your tour and all your other stuff.
	Joke's on you, my friend.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	They'll be knocking on your door pretty soon.
	Although with one million customers, which is the number that came out in this thing, at least one million people registered.
	Of course, they patted.
	Another thing.
	I'm sorry to interrupt.
	Another thing.
	When you see Reuters and you see AP and every single news agency writing things like, officials said...
	Colon, parentheses, or quotes.
	Here comes the quote.
	There were 995,000 accounts, which is literally taken from this document.
	They did not speak to anybody.
	I did not find a single news source who spoke to someone.
	The only thing I could find is they tried to reach the public defender who might be defending this guy and got no response.
	So they're taking quotes out of this document and pretending like the government said that.
	Instead of saying, as was written in the complaint...
	Yes, that's actually wrong.
	I saw Reuters do this.
	Yeah, I know.
	If you're taken from the indictment, that's what you reference.
	You don't say public officials anything.
	It was an indictment that was written.
	It wasn't even said.
	Nobody read this out loud, and then somebody wrote it down.
	So it was never said.
	Let's take a look at Reuters.
	I happen to have it here.
	Before we shut down...
	Let me see if I can find this.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So they do say this Silk Road has emerged as the most sophisticated and extensive criminal marketplace on the Internet today, FBI agent Christopher Tarbell said in the criminal complaint.
	So that's proper.
	Okay, that's fine.
	That's proper.
	But then they go on...
	To say a half pound of hydroponic bud was running about 17.2 bitcoins.
	The website included 13,000 listings for controlled substances as of September 23rd.
	And then here, quote, quality is superb.
	Best stuff I've seen in a while, one user reported.
	Yeah, but that's in the document.
	You know what I'm saying?
	It's like, you've got to be careful.
	I don't think they did that properly.
	Yeah, well, nothing's done properly anymore.
	Let's just not, like, we're stunned by any of this.
	Anyway, so I got a couple of links there.
	We'll keep on this and we'll see what happens with this kid, Josh Frosty.
	That led me to the Tor Network and their funding of $1.3 million.
	And where it's coming from, from this inter-news network, which is clearly the propaganda arm...
	Maybe they're all on the up and up.
	Maybe they really want it.
	Maybe they need it for their blogger spy so that they don't get busted.
	But this is a propagandistic outfit.
	And you don't just get $56 million in a year just because, oh, you're doing the Lord's work of helping bloggers.
	Bullshit.
	Please, please.
	Bullshit!
	You're helping bloggers in Europe.
	Hey, here's a million dollars.
	We need the freedom of speech in Europe.
	Well, it's true.
	That is actually true, but that's not how they're positioning this.
	Where we work.
	They're all over the world.
	Helping bloggers in sub-Saharan Africa.
	They have a whole speakers bureau.
	Yeah, I see that.
	We should be on that, man.
	With guys like Manisha Aral, director of the Global Human Rights Program.
	Oh, yeah.
	And Andrea Bosch, vice president for Asia and Environment Languages.
	What?
	Oh, no, it's languages.
	She speaks apparently no languages.
	The first guy speaks, or woman, I guess, speaks English and Nepali, and Andrea Bosch apparently speaks no languages.
	I definitely would not hire her.
	I'm sorry.
	Janine Burgote, the president and CEO, speaks English and Russian.
	So she runs the place.
	I never heard any of these people, by the way.
	Interesting group.
	Alright, well maybe we'll hear from our various economic hitmen to tell us what they know, if they know anything.
	I got an interesting little economic hitman, well actually boots on the ground from Nairobi.
	Yeah, how's it going down there?
	I got my guy there, yeah.
	I can read this verbatim.
	Word here from investigators is that the Westgate Mall attackers left the building very quickly via some sort of service tunnel that was unknown to the police and the army.
	Now, this, of course, has been in the news, certainly in the UK.
	But what we're now finding out is that, I'll continue to read, apparently they had set up some sort of timed weapons and explosions to make the army think they were still there.
	So...
	So the army comes in with their rocket grenade launchers and everything else, wrecks the place, probably kills half the people.
	Yes.
	This, of course, is a well...
	This is not your typical Al-Shabaab thing.
	There's intent in this, and I'm always going to be looking at just making it scary.
	They don't even have a dead body of one of these so-called terrorists.
	They don't have that.
	You know this, right?
	They don't have a single...
	Yeah, that's probably because they never didn't shoot any of them.
	Yeah.
	And by the way, I see all these pictures in the mall.
	I see very little blood for all these dead people.
	I saw a series of pictures in a European publication with lots of blood.
	Oh, yeah?
	Okay.
	So I think that's...
	Inside or outside?
	Inside.
	All right.
	Well, I still think that if anything...
	If anything, there were some fake photos.
	I think the Daily Mail published, you know, it could be a mistake, but they published a photo of, like, a terrorist and, you know, people under...
	Right, and there was the same person shot it, you know, showing someone else.
	Well, no, it was actually a picture of a bank heist in the U.S. from, like, 97 or something.
	Yeah.
	This is the problem.
	The news media is just terrible.
	They can't seem to manage their own jobs.
	Meanwhile, we've got guys in Kenya telling us exactly what's going on.
	You know what?
	Could I please get a million dollars from Internews?
	Yeah, you're not going to get a nickel from Internews, I can tell you right now.
	Yeah, well...
	That's kind of par for the course, John.
	I'm going to show myself mood by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda.
	I think we can actually read some of the notes today since the list is so short.
	We can just read some notes.
	Yeah, I've got a couple of notes to read.
	You can read the notes as I go along the side to the left and then you can look on the right.
	Oh, that's a good idea.
	Kendall Powers in Sparta, New Jersey, for example, has $150 and said, I've been wanting to donate more than $4 a week and after working 105 hours a week for the last month, I can't.
	I know I'm no knight, but can I please get a douchebag for Chris Christie?
	Douchebag!
	And some not losing my job karma after a recent DUI with mandatory seven-month loss of license.
	I need my license for my job.
	The state doesn't care.
	New Jersey offers no provisional license, so this may be my last donation for a while.
	Uh-oh.
	Needs a little...
	Karma.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	You've got karma.
	Russell Rem in Spearfish, South Dakota, which is a great name for a town.
	It came in with $111.11.
	A great name for a town.
	I like these town names.
	My favorite town name of all time, which I've actually driven through, is Gnawbone, Indiana.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Isaac Chase, $100 from Colorado Springs.
	He's got a juicy porn story.
	Your show is too good for me to continue to stiff you guys.
	Thanks to you guys, I no longer believe I am crazy.
	And I can confidently go off my pharmaceutical meds and stick to just hookers and blow.
	I'd like a de-douching and a douchebag call out for my brother Josh.
	Douchebag!
	Who hit me in the mouth a couple of months ago and is still not donated.
	Oh no, let me de-douching for a second.
	You've been de-douched.
	That's no good.
	And he goes on with some other stuff that's kind of interesting.
	We read it.
	Sir Brian Barrow in my favorite town of all time, Wooten Bassett.
	And he came in with an interesting amount of money that deserves a jingle.
	Oh, no.
	And we're there already.
	What?
	Oh, man.
	Okay, well, yeah.
	David Carey, 69-69.
	Sam Manor in Box Hill, South Victoria, Australia, 69-69.
	Edwards S. Hines in Jacksonville, Florida, 69-69.
	And that closes the segment with four.
	Wow.
	Which means this thing's not going to last long this second round.
	69!
	69, dude!
	Stop playing the jingle when this little streak is over.
	Okay.
	Matthew Stevens, and here we have some 66-66 well-wishers for our sixth anniversary.
	And we have a birthday call out from Matthew Stevens, 6666, in North Richmond Hills, Texas.
	Sam Lung in Toronto, our buddy, who's, I'm never sure again, he's the Baron of the Great Lakes in Toronto.
	Sir Bill Bowman, is it Bowman, Bowman or Bowman?
	I can't remember.
	But he's in this town.
	I gotta keep looking that up.
	Look it up.
	Hanami.
	Is it Hanami?
	It's not Hanami.
	It's Hoonami.
	I don't know.
	Michael Land in Sir Michael, I believe, in Burbank, California.
	Chad Cheneau in Hearst, Texas.
	And finally, David Bierce in Altoona, Iowa.
	And these are all our sack of sixes.
	That's sixes.
	And we have one, two, three, four $50 donors, and that's all we got.
	Aidan Clark in Queensland, the Carol Barron in Malmo, Sweden.
	We need some reports from you, by the way.
	Yes.
	Greg Brunsel in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and Michael Mendel in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.
	I do have a handwritten note because he sent in a check.
	And let's see if there's anything on here.
	Check, check.
	Where are you?
	You know, fell to the ground.
	So if you send in a check, I'll read these notes.
	No one can hold out forever.
	Years of relentless hounding finally paid off.
	Here's my first check.
	Hopefully not my last.
	I've loved your show from way back near the beginning.
	Wish I could listen to the beginning to the end twice a week.
	But I'm too busy wasting time.
	Thanks for putting in all the work.
	Although I believe you are too dangerous to too many entrenched institutions to become popular in the mainstream.
	You will develop an ever-loyal following of enlightened listeners.
	Someday, somebody big and well-known is going to refer to your prescience in the national media and all hell will break loose.
	Until that day I remain your faithful serf.
	That was a good letter.
	That's a nice letter.
	I love that.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I thought so.
	And that's it?
	He's right.
	Most counts.
	And that's all we got.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Yahoo.
	Thank you, government.
	Thank you, furlough.
	I think it's a combination.
	That could be.
	I'm sure we lost some money because of the furloughs.
	I mean, at the time you get kicked out of your job, you don't know if you're going to get the back pay or not.
	That's the problem.
	Which means you will, by the way, but when they get the back pay, it'll be like a paid vacation.
	We should get a nice donation from them.
	If it happens.
	It's happened all the time in the past, every time.
	This is not a new thing.
	No, I know, I know, I know, I know.
	I know.
	But kind of going back to my original...
	You know what they're going to do?
	I know what they're going to do.
	They're going to give them their back pay, but they're going to make the post office pay for it.
	People out there think that's hilarious.
	But if you listen to other alternative media sources, you will hear a lot of, this is by design!
	They're going to bring it down!
	Bring down the whole economy!
	They're going to kill us!
	Is there anything to that, do you think?
	No.
	Of course not.
	No?
	No.
	There's nothing to it.
	This is just a big bunch of political bull crap.
	These guys are playing some...
	We don't even know what's behind it all.
	I think a lot of it still has to do...
	There was a front line that was about this particular episode where the last time came around for the debt ceiling argument.
	Boehner and...
	And this was on front line and they had the whole thing documented.
	It was gorgeous.
	Front line.
	Boehner and Obama made a deal.
	Obama...
	They were going to agree to something, and Obama said, you just have to get your guys to get on board, and I'm in on this, and he handshaked the whole thing.
	Bainer went through a lot of trouble to get everybody to vote his way so they could finish this deal off, and then Obama reneged on it at the very last minute and says, nah, screw you, we don't care.
	And Boehner just thought that was the worst possible thing that could ever happen.
	It was a humiliation because he went through all this trouble for Obama.
	And he got stiffed.
	And Boehner is behind most of this that you're seeing happen here because this is the payback to just make Obama sweat.
	All right.
	I'm sorry I asked because I just I don't care.
	No, I know you don't care, but I told people, there's people listening that do care.
	Dig up that old front line.
	There's some kind of fiber cut somewhere, so the stream has been almost off and off.
	There's a fiber cut?
	Oh.
	Yeah, the stream, I'm trying to send the stream.
	We're being routed through Europe to get to our server.
	That's why you're not listening to me.
	No, I'm listening.
	I just choose not to pay attention.
	Okay, well, I got something that'll wake you up.
	Well, no, there's a couple things we typically do.
	I know the donation segment was short, but first we always tell people, help us support this show.
	We're doing the work.
	You need to support us.
	And then, of course, we have birthday.
	One birthday.
	Just one.
	Actually, I was wrong.
	Matthew Stevens says happy birthday to his kids, Gabriel and Ariel.
	So that's actually two in one.
	But that's all.
	Happy birthday from your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe.
	It's your birthday, yeah.
	And no knightings, of course, but Sir Alan Bean does get his baronet today as his second knighthood is in the bag, and we congratulate him on that.
	Please support us, people.
	This has been a very, this is a troubling, troubling for us.
	Yeah, Alan Bean is like, there's a number of people that do this.
	They send checks in.
	There's many to do it through the banking system.
	Right.
	And he sends in $50 a month.
	Yeah, and he's up to his second knighthood.
	He said when he started his little program of sending $50 a month, which are handwritten checks, he doesn't go through a bank.
	He said...
	As long as the show's good, you're getting the $50.
	And so we've been getting the $50 ever since.
	Just do a baronet so far.
	He'll probably get to Duke if he keeps us up.
	Oh, yeah.
	He'll definitely get there.
	Definitely.
	I was going to...
	You know...
	Hold on a second.
	I was...
	Stop typing in the chat.
	I'm trying to copy that IP address.
	That's funny.
	I'm trying to help with the...
	With the stream.
	Yeah.
	They want me to try and get on some other thing.
	Hold on one second.
	So I got an email from our Limoncello babe.
	Yeah.
	Elise Garling.
	Yeah, Elise.
	It was a really long, really beautiful email about her mom and stuff.
	We'd communicate a little bit.
	And her whole family, her whole family, their brothers and her buddies and their boyfriends.
	Everyone is a supporter of the show.
	It was really beautiful, but there's one little paragraph in the email that I just thought I had to share with you.
	Share it.
	Share.
	All right.
	I hung out with you and JCD hard a few nights this summer in my dreams.
	That's recent.
	Yeah.
	It was good fun.
	Let me finish.
	Let me finish.
	Hold on a second.
	I'm telling you, when I read this, just that line alone to me was like, that's very weirdly sexual.
	I hung out with you and JCD hard a few nights this summer in my dreams.
	It was good fun.
	A fire truck full of hot chicks drove by us as we were all in a car together.
	The two of you were doing the show live as we were cruising around.
	They were listening to the show live and were freaking out as they realized who it was they were just passing.
	It was hilarious.
	If you have any dreams like that, please send them to me.
	Send him something.
	No, I'm stuck there in Austin.
	So in town, on the 28th, just recently, was the Being Human 2013.
	What is this?
	Second annual conference.
	What is this, a transhumanist thing?
	Yeah.
	No.
	So you've got to go to the website just to look at these douchebags.
	And you listen to these guys, beinghuman.org.
	And I got a little bit of one woman who's there, and you've got to check this woman out.
	Look at the website first, and then you have to look up one of the speakers that was a keynoter.
	Oh, just the front page, this woman, is that what you're talking about?
	No, not the biological anthropologist.
	The one that's funnier, and you have to look her up to realize how funny it is, because she has a wiki page.
	It's Natasha Vitamore.
	Natasha Voldemort?
	Vita Moore.
	And you've got to see how her name is spelled.
	Okay.
	This is luminaries.
	Who's a luminary?
	Let me see.
	Sapolsky?
	You've got to see the Wikipedia page.
	What's her name again?
	Natasha Vita Moore.
	Okay.
	Is she hot?
	Oh, well, she's kind of weirdly milfy.
	She's old, too.
	I hadn't clicked on the picture yet, but thanks.
	But you look at her name.
	Her real name is Susan Jones or something, but she's got this name, Vita Moore, and it's hyphenated as Vita-More.
	She is currently Chairman of the Board of Directors of Humanity.
	She is the designer and author of Primo Post-Human.
	I think she's already a post-human, just looking at her picture.
	Well, you can listen to the kind of chitchat she has by playing the clip Transhuman Event.
	By the way, if you go to natasha.cc, that's her website.
	She looks real vampy there.
	Transhuman Event, that's what you want me to play?
	Yeah, number one.
	This area is all about what could become of human nature.
	Certainly we would contain many of the values, the experiences that we have as biological animals.
	But looking beyond that, whereas digitality, electronics interface with us through human-machine interaction, what could we become with this type of immersivity, transparency, almost indisfinishable invisibility of technology?
	Wow.
	Hold on.
	I have to slash my wrist right now.
	I knew you'd like that.
	Wow.
	Invisibility, transparency, technology.
	New York Times 2008 calls her the first female philosopher of transhumanism.
	There's your philosophy.
	You just heard it.
	Wow.
	She went on for like an hour with this kind of gibberish.
	And there's another...
	I have a second part where she's just...
	Yeah, yeah.
	More of this, please.
	More of this.
	Won't be that good.
	It's all around us.
	It has become part of us.
	And we'll have many different issues about ethics and who we might become.
	But the bottom line of it all is, what is the future of human enhancement?
	Where are we going?
	I have an enhancement I want to show you, Miss Vitamore.
	Who do we want to become?
	I look at it from two perspectives.
	Number one is life expansion.
	Taking the notion of life extension, looking beyond our limitation of biology, which for the human animal is approximately 120 to 123 years, to what we might become through the implementation of design.
	Now one of the most interesting innate characteristics of human to me is our love of exploration and our ability to innovate.
	We're inventors.
	We love to problem solve.
	And that ties very neatly into design, because design, as you know, is an iterative process.
	We're constantly reforming, remaking our concepts, so that they're not only feasible, they're doable.
	Yeah, sure.
	So she was a performance artist before she became a guru.
	She's still in.
	In theater, film, and video.
	Let's see.
	I'm looking at her website.
	Since the 1980s, I have focused on human technology integration and the relationship between arts and design and science.
	My theoretical activity is concerned with human enhancement and the methods for extending and expanding human capabilities.
	Oh my god.
	This is a coincidental, I would say, as we learned today that 23andMe, the swab your butt send us your DNA, they have received a patent for the creation of designer babies.
	That's disgusting.
	The system, according to the patent, can be used to identify a preferred donor among the plurality of donors based on genetic information.
	A woman undergoing in vitro fertilization using a sperm donor, for example, could ask 23andMe to crunch numbers on her own genetic profile and those of various donors and then recommend a donor who'd most likely yield a child with the traits she desires.
	Why don't we just go back to Nazi Germany and get it over with?
	This is eugenics.
	This is the stuff of the 20s.
	Okay, well, thank you very much for taking me right there, because I have in the show notes a specialty for everybody.
	First of all, you will find the folder called Eugenics.
	We've just decided to name it that.
	And in the Eugenics, you will find a PDF of a book, and this book is titled...
	Eugenical Sterilization in the United States, a report of the Psychopathic Laboratory of the Municipal Court of Chicago, written by Harry H. Laughlin.
	And Harry H. Laughlin was assistant director of the Eugenics Record Office Carnegie Institution of Washington, I guess from the Carnegie family, the Carnegie Hall, the Carnegie Institute.
	And Eugenics Associate of the Psychopathic Laboratory.
	Psychopath is the right word.
	And there's a foreword written by Harry Olson, Chief Justice in Chicago at the time.
	And I figured it might be...
	This is 500 pages, so you can just grab this thing.
	It's from the 20s.
	I figured it may be fun to just read a little bit of the introduction.
	Oh, yeah.
	Go for it.
	We have another reading from Adam Curry.
	Yes, we have another reading, ladies and gentlemen.
	Hang in there.
	Dr.
	Harry H. Laughlin, Eugenics Associate of the Psychopathic Laboratory of the Municipal Court of Chicago and Eugenics Director of Carnegie Institute of Washington, has rendered the nation a signal service in the preparation of this work, Eugenical Sterilization in the United States.
	Would you like me to play a little of the...
	Yes, yes.
	I'd like you to do the lower tones, though.
	Okay, hold on.
	A little slow, but make it slow.
	Since the rediscovery of Mendel's Law of Heredity and the recent advances made by biologists and psychopathologists in respect to the causal of mental...
	Stop.
	It's not going to work.
	It's not working for me.
	I need you to listen.
	I need you to listen.
	This is from a chief justice of Chicago.
	Chief Justice.
	I'm jumping around here.
	Welcome to America!
	The success of democracy depends...
	Democracy, John, depends upon the quality of its individual elements.
	If in these elements the racial values are high, government will be equal to all the economic, educational, religious, and scientific demands of the times.
	If, on the contrary, there is a constant and progressive racial degeneracy...
	It is only a question of time when popular self-government will be impossible and will be succeeded by chaos and finally a dictatorship.
	Hello 2013!
	These guys were on the money!
	It's true!
	He was right!
	Like the Unabomber was right!
	These guys are right!
	And we screwed it up!
	We should have been killing people!
	This is a great book.
	It is hilarious from beginning to end.
	It sounds hilarious already.
	From beginning to end.
	You can take that PDF file and put it on your Kindle and you can read that book casually.
	I wouldn't drop it.
	Don't let anyone see where it says, kill all the Negroes.
	That's essentially what that's about, yes.
	But also, if you're invalid, you know, this is where the word invalid comes from.
	You're invalid.
	You're not valid.
	You're invalid.
	Yeah, you got a wooden leg or something like that.
	Now, I also, one of our producers, Producer Brian, did a fantastic job on a Melinda Gates video.
	I pulled those clips, if you think we should...
	No, I didn't pull them, but I know that...
	I don't want to play all of them, but I think that reading his note and then playing the pertinent clip would be, I think, worthwhile.
	Well, that's exactly what I thought we would do, so let me open up his note here.
	And by the way, this is a good example of our listeners, supporters, and producers being able to use the techniques that we promote, which is the deconstruction of, in other words, looking for the hidden meanings, finding the flubs and the looking for the hidden meanings, finding the flubs and the truth.
	People, as we've discussed before and other people will say it, you can't not tell the truth.
	At some point it comes out and essentially you just dig for it.
	And our producer here did a really good job of finding a little gem.
	Yeah.
	So this is Brian.
	And I don't know if he wants his last name mentioned, so I'll just say it was producer Brian.
	And he grabbed the...
	And we've played this before.
	I know we have played pieces of this a long time ago on the show.
	This is Bill's wife, Melinda Gates, and she does a TED Talk.
	And it's all about the Gates Foundation, their mission to reduce the amount of people in the world.
	And, of course, people call her a eugenicist, and the whole idea of killing people or sterilizing them one way or the other to have a race die off, and they're doing all of this in Africa.
	And here's a little bit.
	I'll play the bit and then we'll play...
	Actually, here's the opening that is interesting where she denies.
	Some people think when we talk about contraception that it's code for abortion, which it's not.
	Some people, let's be honest, they're uncomfortable with the topic because it's about sex.
	Some people worry that the real goal of family planning is to control populations.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So, you doth protesteth too much, me thinketh?
	So if we're going to make progress on this issue, we have to be really clear about what our agenda is.
	We're not talking about abortion.
	We're not talking about population control.
	What I'm talking about is giving women the power to save their lives, to save their children's lives, and to give their families the best possible future.
	To be all that you can be.
	So Brian says these first two snippets are interesting because they established that Melinda Gates considered the public awareness of population control when she wrote her speech and intends to distance herself from it.
	She instead intends to propagate her message that we want to bring every good thing to our children and where is the controversy in that?
	A motto she repeated three times throughout the course of the speech.
	Now we move on, and this is, I think, kind of the big crux of her denial of the population control.
	But there's a little gotcha in here which is just astounding as to the words you use.
	Words matter.
	But I think, as we go through this history, it's important to pause for a moment and to remember why this has become such a contentious issue.
	It's because some family planning programs resorted to unfortunate incentives and coercive policies.
	For instance, in the 1960s, India adopted very specific numeric targets, and they paid women to accept having an IUD placed in their bodies.
	Now, Indian women were really smart in this situation.
	When they went to get an IUD inserted, they got paid six rupees.
	And so what did they do?
	They waited a few hours or a few days, and they went to another service provider, and they had the IUD removed for one rupee.
	For decades in the United States, African-American women were sterilized without their consent.
	The procedure was so common it became known as the Mississippi appendectomy, a tragic chapter in my country's history.
	And as recently as the 1990s in Peru, women from the Andes region were given anesthesia and they were sterilized without their knowledge.
	I wonder, were these all great missions from America?
	I mean, who was doing all this?
	Because she doesn't mention that, and I haven't looked it up, but were these...
	Well, I don't know about the Andes one, but obviously the ones that was...
	Mississippi was us, yeah.
	It was obviously us.
	Obviously us.
	The most startling thing about this is that these coercive policies weren't even needed.
	They were carried out in places where parents already wanted to lower their family size.
	This is the one that is kind of...
	Our producer picked up on this, and if you analyze what she said...
	She actually said...
	She actually...
	Instead of moaning about what she should be moaning about, which is the ethics of these forced sterilizations, she casually passed it off as something that wasn't even needed.
	It's startling!
	We didn't have to go through all that trouble.
	We didn't have to go through all that trouble.
	Which is essentially what...
	Not essentially.
	That is exactly what she said.
	Yeah.
	So she...
	And this is a very weird catch and a very difficult thing to normally catch.
	I guess our producer was listening to this thing and just was in the right mood to catch it because he had a skeptical nature, which is important if you're going to catch these sorts of comments.
	And other people say, well, you know, she just saw what she meant.
	You know, that's what she said.
	And first she defends herself about not being a eugenicist.
	I think, personally...
	I don't see why you just don't come out and say it.
	I think somebody could come out and say, you know, these were great programs.
	We should be sterilizing everybody.
	And we should be limiting in this 43andMe or whatever that thing is with the gene thing.
	That's the way to go.
	And then screw everybody else.
	You don't need a bunch of cripples and criminals.
	You know what Ms.
	Mickey's plan is?
	And she's a eugenicist, by the way.
	She'll tell you straight up.
	She says, kill all the Chinese.
	Yeah.
	She says, their penises are small.
	They've been trying to do that for a long time.
	She says, they're rude.
	They're tiny.
	They're in the way.
	Their penises are no good.
	They all look alike.
	That's a billion people.
	Just get rid of them.
	Done.
	It's funny because it just came out today that China's National Tourism Administration has, and I don't have a copy of this.
	I want a copy of this guidebook.
	It's the guidebook for civilized tourism, which advises Chinese nationals not to do a number of things when they are on vacation in the West that they normally would do, such as pick their noses in public, urinate in pools, steal airplane life jackets, What are these people?
	I didn't know they did that.
	Well, apparently, here, in May, a mainland Chinese woman let her son relieve himself in a bottle in a restaurant.
	Because this is normal over there.
	It's not normal everywhere.
	Yeah, no, I'm telling you, this is culture.
	Hey, come on, man.
	The Chinese are always eating weird animals, too.
	It's like, oh, is that a white tiger?
	Let me eat it.
	Oh!
	That's mostly the Cantonese, by the way.
	Read off this list.
	Any more things on that list?
	This is fascinating.
	Yeah, I don't have the...
	This is the problem.
	I don't have the...
	There was outrage when a 15-year-old tourist from Najing recently carved his name into an ancient temple in Luxor, Egypt.
	These people are no good!
	We've got to send Melinda Gates and Bill over to China.
	I want this guide.
	Maybe it's only in Chinese, I just don't have a copy of it.
	I'd love to see this, what you can't do.
	This is the Chinese Golden Week Holidays.
	I guess this is when everyone's traveling.
	Well, the Chinese that aren't in China, there's a new network on television called the Esquire Network.
	Yeah, I've seen them advertise like a beer show.
	They got a lot of shows, but they have, for one thing, they have the guy that does Talk Soup, or The Soup, Joel McHale, doing a, I watched it, so this is an Anthony Bourdain rip-off.
	He's roaming around, making wisecracks, eating food, getting drunk, all the rest of it.
	And I was beside myself with what a rip-off the show was.
	Executive producer, Anthony Bourdain.
	Oh, really?
	That's funny.
	So I wasn't beside myself.
	No wonder.
	He just made a clone of himself.
	So somehow we got...
	I just want to get back to Melinda.
	No, no.
	I want to get back to my point.
	Sorry.
	It was my fault for saying the Chinese got to go.
	Well, anyway, they did a thing in Hong Kong, and they had a bunch of this kind of commentary about the Chinese.
	But most of it was the expats who had moved there that were Chinese, like Canadian Chinese, for example, or American Chinese.
	They get nothing but grief.
	The Chinese don't – I mean, it's not like even a racial thing.
	They're a cultural operation.
	Right.
	And you can be Chinese.
	You can even speak Chinese, but if you're not the Chinese people, you're a scum.
	You're an outcast, yeah.
	The Japanese are worse at that, by the way.
	Well...
	I don't know.
	I don't know what they're trying to hide.
	There's a lot of Chinese...
	Apparently this memo.
	Alright, let's listen to Melinda Gates again.
	Just that last bit where she says, it was so startling we didn't even have to force sterilize these people.
	The most startling thing about this is that these coercive policies weren't even needed.
	They were carried out in places where parents already...
	They weren't even needed!
	What irony!
	So, then at the end, is Chris Anderson, is he British?
	Well, there's a couple of Chris Anderson's.
	The wired guy?
	The wired guy is not the guy in Ted.
	Oh, okay.
	That's Chris Anderson.
	The other Chris Anderson is a British guy, and he's the guy who used to do Mac Addy.
	I don't know who this is.
	So, there's a host of Ted, and I thought it was Chris Anderson.
	It is.
	Chris Anderson's the host, but it's a different Chris Anderson.
	Wow.
	The Chris Anderson that people confuse him with is the Wired Chris Anderson.
	Did I just slip into the Twilight Zone?
	Oh, what?
	There's like two Chris Andersons?
	Yes, there's two Chris Andersons.
	They're different people.
	One of them is the Wired editor, and he's a book writer, and he's a nice guy.
	I know both of them.
	Oh.
	And the other guy's a British guy, and he owns Ted.
	Okay, so the British guy is now going to ask Melinda a question, and listen to her answer.
	It's just short, less than a minute.
	How this woman, she truly believes that she, along with her other elitist a-holes, run the show.
	We do this.
	We, we, we.
	The royal we.
	The royal we.
	Thank you for your courage and everything else.
	So, Melinda, in the last...
	Thank you for your courage and everything else.
	What courage?
	I don't know.
	I'm just going to keep saying that to everybody I see.
	Hey, nice to meet you.
	Thank you for your courage.
	I like it.
	Hey, John.
	Thank you for your courage.
	You're welcome.
	Melinda, in the last few years, I've heard a lot of smart people say something to the effect of...
	We don't need to worry about the population issue anymore.
	You know, family sizes are coming down naturally all over the world.
	We're going to peak at 9 or 10 billion and that's it.
	Are they wrong?
	Well, if you look at the statistics across Africa, they are wrong.
	And I think we need to look at it, though, from a different lens.
	We need to look at it from the ground upwards.
	I think that's one of the reasons we got ourselves in so much trouble on this issue of contraception.
	We looked at it from top down and said, we want to have different population numbers over time.
	Yes, we care about the planet.
	Yes, we need to make the right choices.
	But the choices have to be made at the family level.
	And it's only by giving people access and letting them choose what to do that you get those sweeping changes that we have seen globally, except for sub-Saharan Africa, except for those places in South Asia and Afghanistan.
	Alright, so she is elite.
	And she is just part of, and this is kind of where it comes back to Vitamore, this is the trend.
	The trend is...
	Less people, but we are going to live forever because we will become one with machines.
	And let me tell you, Joe Rogan is on this trip too.
	It's very tempting because it seems kind of cool, the basic idea.
	It doesn't seem cool to me.
	No, not to me.
	But, you know, it's like you're already kind of one with your iPhone.
	People are like, oh, yeah, no, I just had this thing in my head.
	It's embedded.
	Just a slot.
	I wanted the connector right there.
	People are looking forward to that.
	Google Glass is close to it.
	Google Glass is a part of that.
	Absolutely.
	And I urge you to go read the Unabomber Manifesto.
	I'll put it into the show notes.
	I'm not advocating blowing up anybody to get attention for it, but the document itself is very interesting.
	Very interesting.
	Particularly in light of what you're hearing here, what you're hearing from Natasha Vittemore.
	I love my friends to death, but they are on their way to transhumanism with this 23andMe and the quantified self.
	Natalie Del Conte, or Morris, is her new name.
	She's really into that quantified thing.
	Oh, really?
	She's got wires on herself.
	Oh, my God, my blood pressure went up by a point.
	Let me just relax.
	Serenity now!
	Serenity now!
	Where did I... Did I miss something?
	Where was this?
	She talked about it on one of the Twitch shows.
	Oh, I can't believe I missed that.
	What?
	Yeah, she's all wired.
	She's all hooked up.
	She's got stuff, you know, all over her, I guess.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	But is it connected to the web?
	Can we monitor her?
	Probably it is.
	I think that's the main thing people are doing.
	Can you give her a jolt?
	That's what I love.
	Okay.
	Can we...
	Shh!
	Shh!
	Yes.
	I'm talking about science and all the rest of it.
	You know, you did this once, so I'm going to do it.
	The science is in!
	Okay.
	One of our producers said, you've got to listen to the last clip.
	It gave me the exact point of time.
	This was the last week's show.
	Tom Merritt was running it.
	By the way, Tom Merritt, I didn't realize until I recorded him and listened with Molly, your friend Molly.
	Who I love.
	I did not pull this clip.
	I did.
	I know, because I was like, I love Molly.
	I don't want to do this.
	Yeah, you wouldn't be able to.
	I like Molly a lot.
	I introduced her to...
	Mickey.
	Mickey, I set the whole thing up, and I like Molly as much as I can like her.
	And I sent you pictures, didn't I? Yeah.
	And they're both naked.
	It's fantastic.
	So Molly was on the show agreeing with everything Merit was saying.
	She was actually in town.
	Never called, of course.
	No.
	And they're yakking away and they're talking really fast.
	So I just kind of slow it down at the end so you can understand what she said.
	But somebody came up and this is, I don't think it's as good as Kiki.
	You might as well play Kiki's little clip.
	Dr.
	Wow, you're like all over the map here.
	Okay.
	Shut up already.
	Science.
	They're talking about comments.
	People make comments and it's terrible.
	We should ban all comments from the internet even though comments provide most of the entertainment.
	Nobody brought that up, of course.
	And they talked about how popular science dropped the comments on all these people because people would chime in because these articles are bullcrap.
	They're a bunch of pseudoscience themselves, but they pose as science.
	So somebody says, this is bullcrap, and they put some citation or whatever.
	Just play this and you'll see what we're looking for here.
	Crap that appears in YouTube comments.
	So Google and YouTube are making a very smart play here to say...
	We're worth the higher CPMs.
	Look at what Popular Science did turning off comments because they cited a study saying when you had comments that were disputing the science without good science behind it, it lessened people's confidence in science.
	Now, there's some other people saying, like, that's the wrong way to go about it, popular science, what you should have done is heavy moderation, etc., etc., and there's probably valid reasons to that, but in absence of the resources to do all of the better things, shutting down the comments versus leaving them up and having people not believe your content because of the commenters is the decision they made.
	I was in favor of that decision by PopSci.
	I really do, because I think you could devote ridiculous amounts of staff that they don't have to trying to make sure that the comments are okay and that they don't distort the science in some way.
	Or you could say, like, you know what?
	This is not up for debate.
	It's science.
	This is not up for debate.
	It's science.
	This is not up for debate.
	It's science.
	Science!
	You produced!
	It's funny because the exact same story ran on NPR, our national treasure, on Marketplace.
	And I thought it would be interesting to get the more mainstream opinion on this, which of course is obviously exactly the same.
	This is Marketplace from APM. I'm Kai Rizdal.
	You've got a couple of options if you hear something on this program that you like or that you hate, for that matter.
	You can email us.
	You could hit us up on Twitter at MarketplaceAPM or you could go to our website, Marketplace.org, and leave a comment.
	But there's the rub.
	Because comment sections on journalism sites can be painful, often hijacked by trolls who knock down pretty much everything they read.
	Hijacked!
	Hijacked, I say.
	Hijacked!
	They're like hot-tat terrorists!
	That, in part, helps explain why popular science has shut down its comment section.
	Marketplace's Adrienne Hill reports.
	Hey, all you internet trolls, I know you aren't much for nuance and stuff.
	By the way, I love how Molly calls it PopSci.
	Pop side.
	She's going to hate me for doing it.
	This is all your fault.
	She's the one who said it.
	But now to bring this up, what you brought up is the point that all she's doing, like everybody else that is out there, not that Molly's the only one, she's just parroting mainstream media.
	She's like a stenographer.
	That's okay, because you just need to be saved.
	That's all.
	That's all that needs to happen.
	It's just a little programming.
	Slowly, and in words you might understand.
	People who care about civilization hate you.
	Your predictable, boring diatribes are ruining the internet for the rest of us.
	Just so you know.
	What?
	We're ruining the internet for the rest of us!
	Get a job.
	Get a job.
	All right, I'm done.
	Aretha Hill is a professor at Arizona State University's Walter Cronkite School of Journalism.
	Commenting has gotten really out of control with a lot of nasty comments, with arguments, with everything going to political.
	It doesn't matter what the story is, she says, it can be anything and can get ugly.
	People really go after each other in a way that discourages really good, thoughtful conversation.
	Popular Science, for its part, has had enough anti-science bashers and political railing.
	It's closing its comment section down.
	Suzanne Labar is Popular Science's online content director.
	This research came out a few months ago that showed that how people perceive science is actually shaped in part by comment sections.
	And that, she says, was all the motivation that we needed to just finally get into it.
	Oh, that was it!
	Shut the door!
	Hey, by the way, John, I've been waiting to be able to play this clip.
	Lockdown.
	U.S. Capitol in lockdown right now.
	Shots fired at the Capitol.
	Seriously, I'm not kidding.
	Horrible news coming over the police radio in the House Press Gallery.
	I'm just reading tweets.
	Capitol Police scrambling.
	Gunshots in front of Capitol.
	Cops scramble.
	Hmm.
	Well, that's interesting.
	Yeah, it is interesting.
	I don't have a TV here.
	It's funny they would do it when nobody's there.
	It's weird.
	What do you mean nobody's there?
	I mean, everyone's on, you know, furlough.
	Isn't anybody in the Capitol building?
	Probably just a couple guards, I'm guessing.
	Maybe not.
	Okay.
	This is very interesting because it comes at a very odd time.
	I think the timing is weird.
	No one was hurt when someone fired shots at a restaurant on Capitol Hill.
	Oh, this is in Seattle.
	From three years ago.
	Let's see if CNN has anything.
	It's actually from July.
	Well, let's get back to the other article.
	We'll go to that.
	I just have to say something.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	First of all, it's not that hard to moderate.
	And it's done very easily, as a matter of fact.
	And if you have a staff of people, like for example, say I'm a writer for popular science and I write something and people come in, I should be able to moderate my own stream of comments, even though there could be hundreds of them.
	And one of the things you really have to have the power to do is to ban people.
	And the key to real good moderation is finding the jerks that are just troublemakers that come in and they say stupid stuff.
	And put them on the bozo filter.
	You put them either on a Bozo filter, which is the absolute funniest if you have one, or you just blacklist them and they can't get in.
	And if they do get in again, first of all, you look up their IP address, which you can do, and you take a look at all their comments.
	And then if you look up their person...
	The name they usually use, sometimes their IP address changes, and you can see when it changes, and it'll probably change again sometime.
	You just ban those IP addresses, and you let the guys, they generally will go to someplace else to make their comments.
	So it's not that difficult to moderate.
	It's not like, oh, there's no resources.
	A place like Popular Science has plenty of money, more than a blogger does.
	Most bloggers can do this.
	PopSci.
	Say it right.
	PopSci.
	Most bloggers can do this, so it's not that hard to do.
	And that's what they should do, because comments are important.
	They're part of the reason people will go to a website, because you want to read the comments.
	Yeah, but you're ruining the internet, you troll.
	And sometimes it's more entertaining than the article, and sometimes there's articles, and I have to say it, are wrong.
	They're not just because it's climate science wrong, but I mean there's regular articles written by regular people about something like rocket propulsion, and they've got it wrong, and somebody needs to jump in and tell them that this is wrong, you've got the wrong formula, or something like that.
	Comment in the comments.
	Is PopSci not the magazine that, was it not Popular Science who explained exactly how the World Trade Centers had melted steel from the jet fuel?
	That was the definitive work.
	Yeah, that would be a reason why.
	They don't need comments.
	I don't go there.
	That was enough science for me.
	Yeah.
	Physics.
	Physics.
	It's just math, people.
	Right.
	Anyway, so I think that this is wrong-headed.
	Apparently, PBS, where this got started and popular science, they couldn't take it anymore.
	It's like, it seems to me that they just couldn't take it.
	They said, I can't take it anymore.
	These people are reading the comments and don't believe a word we say.
	They're mean.
	They're mean to us.
	They're mean.
	I don't like it when you're mean.
	There's all kinds of hoops you can create.
	You need comments.
	Yeah, but this is...
	Unless you're just writing an essay and you don't care.
	So what is your takeaway on this?
	Is this an overall trend?
	I think it would like to be a trend, but I think what you're going to run into with it as a trend is that your numbers will fall off.
	The readers will get so aggravated.
	I've had this happen to me.
	So wait a minute, this isn't right.
	And you look, I'm going to put a comment in as though that's going to do anything, but you feel better.
	So you go to put your feel better comment in.
	And by the way, very few people that if you have some of these sites that have 500 comments, nobody's reading all these things.
	But so anyway, you want to put your comet in and blow off some steam, and there's not one there.
	You rarely go back to that site.
	So let's just look at some of the PopSci.
	Look at their top stories today.
	Number one, death by collider.
	What would happen if you were zapped by the Large Hadron Collider?
	Ooh, science!
	Science.
	Number two...
	Lessons from Mr.
	White, the six best science tips we picked up from watching Breaking Bad.
	Ooh, the science is in!
	October's best gadgets, a dozen great ideas in gear featuring the best gaming laptop, a high-tech beer growler, and more.
	Overboard, what happens if an astronaut floats off into space?
	Blatant promotion for the Gravity movie.
	Images of the week, including an inflatable concert hall, exploding light bulbs, and a guy with one hell of a beard.
	There's other reasons why I don't go to your site, PopSci.
	It's bullshit.
	Who gives a crap?
	Wow.
	What crap.
	Wow.
	I mean, we're no scientists.
	We're no scientists here.
	We're no scientists here.
	But, you know, we're historians.
	We are historians of popular culture.
	And we can see where all this is headed.
	And go ahead and look at Natasha.cc and tell me the selfie photo of Natasha Vittemore is not what you want to be.
	Look at that face.
	It's frightening.
	I think that she's already transhumanized.
	You know, I was reluctant to go there the first time, but now you got my attention.
	It's interesting because she could, N-A-T-A-S-H-A dot C-C. Yeah, there she is.
	She looks like she could be a really pretty Sophia Loren kind of thing.
	But, no.
	She has a style of speaking, and she sounds a lot like her, because I kept listening to her going, who does she sound like?
	She sounds like Pastor Melissa, what's her name that's on, that used to be this one guy, I can't remember her last name.
	Oh, I don't know why.
	Anyway, she sounds like one of these preachers who talks with kind of a weird affectation.
	And then when you look her up, her real name is what got to me, which is Natasha.
	Let me look her up.
	I'm looking at her site, and she was at South by Southwest, or as we say here in Austin, South by.
	In 2009, and she did a speech called Plutopia, Living Systems.
	What's her respect in 2009?
	Her real name is Nancy Clark.
	She looks like a Nancy Clark.
	Nancy Clark, PR lady.
	Plutopia.
	Plutopia.
	Plutopia is a premier marketing opportunity for sponsors to drive brand recognition.
	Yeah.
	This is all scam.
	All of this is just one big giant scam.
	But it's great, you know?
	It's okay.
	I got friends who are in on this scam, and they're doing great.
	Stuff needs to be sold.
	Primo post.
	Yes.
	By the way, I think that we may have a fellow traveler, or it could just be kind of a verbal typo.
	But tell me that there's not something up with this short clip.
	Cal, explosion in the morning.
	The hope is that the lights will be back on by in the morning and time for classes to start tomorrow because...
	He was so busy getting the in the morning out he didn't even make a sentence.
	I gotta say it.
	Time for it.
	Lights in the morning.
	The hope is that the lights will be back on by in the morning.
	Time for classes to start tomorrow.
	I wanted to say in the morning.
	Oh, I said bye!
	I'll just say it anyway.
	In the morning.
	In the morning to you, dude.
	Yeah, that was the explosion you guys had, right?
	It was weird.
	Yeah, there's something fishy about it, too.
	That was weird.
	I don't know what it was.
	I think it was maybe some, maybe the KGB decided to give the CIA a message.
	I have no idea.
	I did want to just roll one thing at you because we talked about it a while ago.
	Remember all those, and this is how this show works.
	Sometimes you've got to be patient.
	You've got to wait for months, years, and then there it is.
	We are our own manifesto.
	Every single episode is a manifesto of sorts.
	We talked about, there were all these, we knew, and now it turns out correctly, that it was effectively PR against the pharmaceutical compounding industry.
	Oh, right.
	Remember that we had all these, like, oh, horrible people got, you know, dying from stuff.
	Compounders.
	Compounders, no good.
	Well, here it is, ladies and gentlemen.
	This is HR 113.
	So this is a House resolution on its way to becoming a bill to amend the Food and Drug and Cosmetic Act with respect to human drug compounding and drug supply chain security, and for other purposes.
	This act may be cited as the Drug Quality and Security Act.
	Ah, there you go.
	Now let me explain compounding, and I am a layman.
	However, I know Miss Mickey has a thyroid issue, and instead of going on the synthetic bull crap...
	That is synthetic.
	That's enough said.
	She has found a doctor in Austin who has hooked her up with something called the People's Pharmacy and they compound out of natural elements, it's probably pig hormones and stuff like that, a specific compound of progesterone which is perfect for her issue.
	Right.
	And the thyroid is kind of like, as she called it, it's like the director of your entire body.
	I mean, the thyroid is like, you're awake, you're asleep, you're gaining weight, you're losing weight.
	It has a lot to do with everything.
	Your memory.
	I mean, everything is involved in it.
	It's critical.
	And so she's had this for, I don't know, probably 15, 20 years.
	And now her life has changed dramatically by no longer being on the synthetic stuff and having the stuff compounded.
	The people care about her, you know, the pharmacists.
	It's a personal thing.
	It's an important service.
	It's really good.
	And this is now under threat.
	And how are they going to do this?
	So if you look at what has happened here in the legislation, they're changing sections 502, 505, and 585 about when you can compound something and when you can't.
	Drug compounding buyer under the direct supervision of a licensed pharmacist in a facility that elects to register as an outsourcing facility if each of the following conditions is met.
	So you cannot compound drugs anymore unless you meet the following conditions.
	There's a lot of them.
	I'm just going to pick a couple of them.
	Registration reporting the drug is compounded in an outsourcing facility that is in compliance.
	With the requirements of subsection B, you've got a whole bunch of new requirements popping up.
	I think most compounders can get through that.
	Then we have the bulk drug substance appears on a list established by the secretary identifying bulk drug substances for which there is a clinical need.
	And here it is, down by number five.
	You may not compound a drug...
	If the drug is essentially a copy of one or more approved drugs.
	So let me run that by you in a real-world scenario.
	And that real-world scenario would be actually a progesterone named Makena, M-A-K-E-N-A. And Makena is basically a progesterone, it's an injection, so there's nothing Ms.
	Mickey has, but it's a progesterone injection, which was made by compounding, would cost about 20 bucks.
	Along comes Makina, and I think that's a Merck company.
	Along comes Makina.
	They take the exact elements of that compound, which apparently is a popular compound, they turn it into a drug, get it approved, put a label on it, now it costs $1,200.
	And you can no longer get the compounded version.
	That's how they're doing it.
	That's a scandal.
	I am certainly contacting our representative to tell them that they should fight this.
	This should not go through.
	This is an outrage.
	It's a total outrage.
	It's unbelievable.
	And they get away with this stuff.
	Who is the sponsor of these bills?
	Let me see who's on this one.
	Hold on a sec.
	I mean, these guys should be called out.
	Mr.
	Upton.
	Voted out of office.
	Upton.
	Who the hell is Upton?
	Let me find out.
	Upton.
	He's a congressman, right?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Let's see.
	Upton.
	Congress.
	There's got to be some co-sponsors.
	Fred Upton.
	Fred Upton.
	Michigan.
	These guys all come out of Michigan.
	Fred, he's got nothing to do with anything.
	He's obviously in the payroll.
	Stooge, stooge.
	Let me see.
	HR11. He's been in offices 93, 20 years.
	Yeah.
	Fourth district.
	Let me see if there's any co-sponsors on this thing yet.
	It's got to be.
	Yes.
	Is this the one?
	No, that's the library.
	Sometimes it's very hard to get...
	He's a Republican.
	Yeah.
	Douchebag.
	Committee on Energy and Commerce.
	What's he got to do with any of this?
	Well, Commerce, I guess.
	He's a douchebag.
	He's a total douchebag if he put that law into play.
	Let me see if I can find the sponsors.
	He earned a BA in Journalism from the University of Michigan.
	It's funny.
	Let's see.
	Committee Leaders.
	Sports Editor.
	Oh, hold on a second.
	Oh.
	Well, here you go.
	Committee leaders applaud passage of Drug Quality and Security Act.
	The House of Representatives today passed.
	Oh, I see they've changed it.
	H.R. 3204 by a voice vote.
	They did this sneaky.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's the way you do it.
	I am proud to say this piece of legislation is a product of true bipartisan and bicameral work.
	Yeah, they'll always be bipartisan when it comes to big pharma.
	The Senate and the House, Republicans and Democrats, came together to produce a bill that would protect American patients by ensuring they receive safe drugs, says Chairman Upton.
	Oh, he's the chairman.
	Wow.
	Oh, yeah.
	I like a roll call.
	Forget it, buddy.
	Wow.
	H would protect traditional pharmacies and clarify FDA's authority over the compounding of human drugs while requiring the agency to engage and coordinate with states to ensure the safety of compounded drugs.
	To date, the CDC has linked 64 deaths in 20 states to contaminated drugs by compounding.
	Wow.
	Yeah, well, let me tell you.
	I did not put it past the pharmaceutical industry to kill 64 people just to get this.
	Hey, I got an idea.
	Let's kill some people.
	Make it law.
	Legislation creates a uniform national standard for drug supply chain secure to protect Americans.
	So I guess the president hasn't signed this yet.
	Wow.
	That's horrible.
	Let me just make sure it's in...
	Yeah, no, it's in the final one.
	This is the final.
	The one about the can't copy a drug?
	Yeah, it's in there.
	I thought I might not be reading from the final, but I am.
	I'd like to get that anecdote about the $12 versus $1,200.
	Is that printed somewhere?
	Somebody published that?
	This was sent to us by one of our doctor producers.
	I'll forward you the email.
	He turned me on to this.
	Of course.
	And he's been listening that long.
	He's like, hey, remember you were talking about that?
	Guess what?
	Here it is.
	Yeah, we're a little ahead of the curve on some of these things.
	So now I have to figure out, you know, let's say the world shuts down in October.
	I have to figure out how to extract pig hormones to save my wife.
	I have to learn how to do this.
	It's really scary when you think that you need a certain type of something to basically stay alive.
	Huh.
	Interesting.
	What's the deal with...
	I got this clip.
	President plugging kayak.
	What is this?
	Oh, yeah, I heard about it.
	You and your friends and your family and your co-workers can get covered, too.
	Just visit healthcare.gov, and there you can compare insurance plans side by side, the same way you'd shop for a plane ticket on kayak or a TV on Amazon.
	Let me tell you, if Amazon was running the healthcare stuff, it would work.
	So I got some one-class clip I'll play, and then I can move these other ones to Sunday.
	But I do think we need to play this because this seems to be somewhat underreported.
	And, of course, Syria is not being discussed because everyone's all up in arms about the government shutdown, or at least they're talking about it to excess.
	I mean, how much analysis do we need of this thing where every news show is just talking about this one thing?
	When this particular thing about Syria goes under the radar, I have to see it on Democracy Now!, The U.S. and its allies are facing what could be a major setback in efforts to influence the outcome of Syria's civil war.
	A coalition of Syrian rebel groups is openly split with the Western-backed foreign opposition.
	In a joint statement, 13 armed rebel factions, including units of the Free Syrian Army, said they reject the authority of the Turkey-based National Coalition, which is backed by countries including the U.S. and Saudi Arabia.
	The new front has dubbed itself the Islamist Alliance and claims to represent three-quarters of the armed rebels fighting the Assad regime.
	The alliance's lead signatory is the al-Nusra Front, an al-Qaeda-linked group deemed a terrorist organization by the United States.
	Ha!
	Yeah.
	Hello!
	Are they verified on Twitter, though?
	They'll be giving their messages on Twitter.
	Woo!
	I can't even get verified by Twitter, yet Twitter verifies Al-Shabaab and Al-Qaeda and everybody.
	How do they verify Al-Shabaab?
	You think if they can verify Al-Shabaab, we can go over there and grab them.
	I have a clip.
	...actually did a study on this, and what they found is that Twitter helped spur a 30% growth in online forums for hate and terrorism over the past year.
	20,000 what they called hate-spewing hashtags.
	Nice one, by the way.
	I wish I'd come up with that.
	Hate-spewing hashtags.
	And handles appeared on Twitter, up 5,000 from the year before.
	Ooh, up 5,000!
	I don't even know how you monitor that breadth of activity, honestly.
	It's very, very tough, and that's one of the most challenging things, not just for us, but actually also for terrorist groups, is that who is the real representative of the group on Twitter?
	Because Twitter doesn't validate accounts from Al-Qaeda or Shabaab.
	So if someone goes on there and says that they're Shabaab al-Mujahideen or they're Al-Qaeda, how do we really know they are who they say they are?
	You and I talked during the whole Kenya incident because they kept shutting down their Twitter account and a new one would open.
	They'd shut it down.
	They'd open it.
	I think it happened five or six times.
	How do you know if this really is who's inside that building?
	Yeah, and look, and one of the accounts that popped up really does look like it was a copycat account created as a friend.
	But here it comes because they're going to tell you how they know it was proof fact.
	Yeah.
	But, look, there are ways of validating this.
	And so, for instance, last week, an account that claimed to be Ash Shabab released an original audio recording of the leader.
	An original audio recording, no less.
	Of Ash Shabab.
	So, presumably, if you're releasing that type of information, that's validating the authenticity.
	And unfortunately, look, if you look at the number of followers on these accounts, you're talking about thousands and thousands of followers, never mind people that are just browsing across this normally.
	So it really does increase their reach pretty dramatically.
	Fact!
	Ah!
	On the best podcast in the universe.
	That's right, everybody.
	You heard it right here.
	Fact!
	That's a good one.
	Who gave you that?
	That's from Flash Gordon.
	Yes.
	Very good.
	The original one...
	I thought it wasn't clear.
	Here's the original.
	Fact!
	Ah!
	On the best podcast in the universe.
	So I made it three times.
	I thought it was...
	Because otherwise you don't really know what they're saying.
	Fact.
	Oh, okay.
	Which one do you like?
	I stick with your judgment on this.
	I would go with the fact, fact, fact.
	Fact, fact, fact.
	On the best podcast in the universe.
	Fact!
	That's all right, people.
	We know nothing.
	Report shot fired on Capitol Hill.
	Capitol Police shelter in place.
	There it is!
	Shelter in place.
	An order was given under the Capitol speaker system, the giant voice system.
	Let's do it.
	Let's do it.
	Hold on a second.
	Now we do it.
	Ladies and gentlemen, time to shelter in place.
	Resume normal activity after sheltering in place.
	Cower in the corner.
	I wonder, I wonder, I wonder, will CNN let me watch live?
	Oh, that's interesting.
	This is coordinated.
	This is what they do.
	They do this well.
	You're allowed to watch live?
	Yeah, sure.
	Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
	Select your TV service provider.
	Oh, well, you're on the net.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you have to have something.
	I don't have to.
	So I got a funny story.
	Play the Tesla clip.
	This is hilarious.
	Wait.
	I think I know what this is.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	Come on, baby.
	Go.
	One of Tesla's electric cars caught fire today.
	Kiddo shows us the flames, the damage to the car, and the resulting damage to the company's stock.
	That's a brand new car.
	To the cameraman, it's just another car fire on the freeway near Seattle.
	Wow, I can feel the heat in here.
	Until he realizes what's burning.
	Oh, that's a Tesla, dude.
	The Tesla driver told the police he stretched metal doors.
	Oh, it's a Tesla, dude.
	This crap's on fire, man.
	Three.
	The car warned him to pull over.
	He did and escaped okay.
	The $70,000 car then burst into flames.
	Firefighters had a bit of trouble putting it out.
	They had to flip the car on its side, then used a circular saw to cut into the battery housing and douse the flames.
	The only thing that got hurt was Tesla's stock price.
	Tesla trades on this perception of perfection.
	People have this image of the Tesla like it's so perfect it can't fail.
	Tech analyst Rob Enderly says the stock had already been downgraded, and news of the fire burst their bubble.
	The problem here is the perception's so far ahead of reality that when you have a problem like this, it tends to adjust back something closer to reality.
	So it just means that the stock is overvalued, and the end result is when you have a problem like this, the market will overreact.
	Isn't this thing trading like 100 times earnings or something?
	Yes, it's really.
	It's way up there.
	Anyway, the key to this whole thing is the bull crap you get from the PR girl.
	Yeah.
	Looking at here in the shiny black is the underside of that battery casing.
	This Tesla training video made for firefighters offers a glimpse of the smooth underbelly.
	The high-energy lithium-ion battery runs the length of the car.
	Engineers are now looking at the data and the onboard computer for clues as to what might have happened.
	The Tesla was just ranked the safest car in America.
	Tonight, a company spokeswoman says every indication is that the fire was the result of the collision and the damage the car sustained.
	What collision?
	There was no collision.
	They just read this right off the prompter.
	Oh, it was because of the collision.
	What?
	There was no collision.
	The guy ran over a piece of metal or something.
	The car told him to pull over and get out, which I think was great, if that's true.
	And then the car blew up.
	Where's the collision?
	There's no collision in any part of that report.
	Technically, he collided into a paper bag.
	I mean, this is what really galls me when you watch these news reports.
	I know, I know.
	The facts are right in front of them, and then they still, whatever the PR person says, they spew it.
	It's unbelievable.
	Okay, anyway, it's done.
	I'll tell you what, since we have a show on Sunday, I think I'd like to get to the Batcave right now and start looking for whatever we're being distracted from right now.
	With this Capitol shooting?
	Yeah.
	We've done the show.
	I think we've definitely put in the hours.
	So we will try to get you another newsletter, which will be filled with facts!
	And no commenting, please.
	No commenting on the newsletter.
	We don't want you ruining our conspiracies.
	You're ruining everything.
	You're ruining it.
	It's science.
	It doesn't need comments.
	You're ruining it for the rest of everybody, you trolls.
	All right.
	Hey, chat room, thanks for hanging in there.
	Those of you who were able to, thank you.
	Void Zero, Mr.
	Oil, Sir Gitmo Slave, for hooking up alternate routes.
	At least the second half of the show was streamable due to the fiber cuts.
	And God knows what's going on.
	You know what?
	It's the furloughs.
	It's the shutdowns.
	It's happening.
	And go to the show notes, 553.nashownotes.com.
	You will not be disappointed when you see all of the marked documents that we have in there for you.
	Still monitoring JT65 on 20 meters.
	You know where to find me, KF5SLN. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And I'm Kevin Johnson.
	Ah, never mind.
	I'm John C. Dvorak of Northern Silicon Valley.
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