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	Oh, he's cool.
	He's so awesome.
	He's awesome.
	He's Tony Stark.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Sunday, September 29, 2013.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 552.
	This is no agenda.
	Free of common contaminants like GMO derivatives that can plague many other forms of podcasting.
	From the Travis Heights hideout in the capital of the Drone Star State, Austin Tejas.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And with all the long-windedness from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We're kind of drawing those out now, like WNBC, Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	Uh-oh, what is this?
	That what?
	This is a new instrument.
	Yes, I have.
	I bought myself, although I'm not recommending this to anyone, a Japanese device called an otomatone.
	Wait a minute, is that one of those, like, it looks like a pipe kind of thing?
	It's an electronic device?
	It looks like a giant note.
	Automata.
	I think so.
	Didn't someone...
	O-T-A-M-A-T-O-N-E. Yeah, somebody recommended it.
	Yeah, yeah, someone recommended it, and you actually went out and got one?
	Yep, I got one, and here it is.
	They're not cheap.
	No, I thought it was overpriced, to be honest about it.
	It looks like it's $127.
	Is that...
	No, no.
	No.
	Okay.
	And how is the family dealing with this new purchase?
	They love it.
	Yeah, because they don't live there right now.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	You sent out an interesting...
	Oh, they're $35.
	It's still too expensive.
	Oh, okay.
	That's still too expensive.
	Yes, indeed.
	I could have bought another harmonica.
	What?
	Well, you sent out an interesting newsletter, quite shocking, actually.
	Shocking!
	I found it to be shocking that you had opted out of, I think, not one, but two beauty pageants to watch C-SPAN. There was two?
	Wait a minute.
	There was Miss World.
	Was there another one?
	No, no.
	Miss World's coming up.
	I'll try to catch that.
	No, no, no.
	Miss World is done.
	No, that's Miss Universe.
	No, Miss World.
	No, Miss Universe.
	No, Miss World.
	Listen to this.
	Miss Philippines has been crowned Miss World on the Indonesian island of Bali.
	Oh, right, right, right.
	It was Miss World.
	Miss Universe is coming up.
	Yeah, who's the expert?
	You are.
	Yeah.
	And by the way, Miss Philippines, she's American.
	Yeah.
	Scam.
	It's a total scam.
	I thought the Panama girl was the best, but, you know.
	Oh, man.
	But have you seen pictures of this Miss Filipino girl?
	Yeah, she's very pretty.
	She's like Angelina Jolie.
	She's got, you know, like...
	She's got actress written on her.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Actress.
	That's what we call it.
	Actress.
	Hail.
	Alright, so there was, I mean, I'm just filled to the gills today with all kinds of stuff, and I kind of tried to stay away from, although I watched it, obviously, and of course, just in case, I pulled a couple of clips from the big Bogative hearing with our buddies.
	Bogative.
	I got a couple of clips from this thing.
	I just want to tell everyone what I did so that you know that that's coming up later on in the show.
	I, of course, am all over the IPCC report, the working group number five.
	As you can expect from your No Agenda show, we've actually read some of it and have some comment on it.
	I'm sure you do.
	That's what you do best.
	Right.
	You know, if I hit this bottle and knock it on the floor again, it's going to be...
	Irksome.
	Never mind.
	I'm just cramped in here.
	It's terrible.
	So I listened to the hearings.
	Explain what hearings are.
	This is all part of the continuing snow job.
	No, no.
	This was the specific C-SPAN 3 Intelligence Committee hearings.
	Right.
	But that's what I call part of the snow job system.
	Well, it's definitely part of the Snowden job.
	Yeah, the snow job.
	Yeah.
	So I got a couple of interesting.
	I actually have quite a few clips.
	I got way too many.
	But set it up just so people understand what this was.
	Yeah, they had Clapper, and then they had...
	Director of National Intelligence, the liar, Clapper the liar.
	Right, the known, he's already the light before Congress.
	Yes, he said...
	Alexander.
	Kaiser.
	Kaiser.
	Kaiser Alexander.
	And our buddy Cole...
	Oh!
	The deputy FBI guy who stands in for a holder who refuses to do these things.
	Because he knows enough not to answer questions.
	Right.
	So Feinstein begins the thing with a bunch of apologetic crap.
	And also brings in a couple of interesting, what I think this thing is really about, is to actually give the NSA more power.
	Well, that's what it appears to be, that what she's proposing would actually give the NSA more power.
	Yeah, well she's worried about the hole.
	Apparently there's a donut hole in the law that allows these people.
	They're collecting all the data, but apparently the one thing they actually follow the rules on is if you're a foreign national who's being tracked.
	Yeah, they can't track you in America.
	As soon as you get to here, they said to stop tracking.
	Now, this makes zero sense, but they're bitching about it.
	Both Feinstein and Alexander complains about this.
	And by the way, I'm totally convinced, even though I re-listened on the clips and it's not so apparent, but when you watched Alexander, I'm absolutely convinced he was in the can.
	He was in the bag.
	What do you mean?
	Stoned?
	Well, from alcohol.
	And they also started the meeting a half hour early for some unknown reason.
	Do you think that's his drug of choice?
	Or do you think he drinks and maybe he does a line of coke just to wake up?
	He has no characteristics of a coke user.
	Well, I wouldn't know how to tell.
	I'm not skilled at that.
	He doesn't go to his nose.
	He doesn't do a million things.
	He doesn't talk a certain way.
	He's not a fast talker, that's for sure.
	So let's get the Romer thing out of the way.
	Here's Feinstein on Romers.
	...to the Congress.
	Through our reviews, we have identified a gap in the government's collection.
	Donut hole!
	Gap!
	If the government learns that an authorized non-United States person target of Section 702 collection enters and remains in the United States, the NSA must cease collection on that target.
	These are known as roaming incidents.
	Of course this collection is stopped just as the individual may be of the greatest concern.
	So we have drafted a provision in law to provide a limited period of seven days under which surveillance may continue while the government goes to FISA court to seek a traditional The thing that really...
	And I have one clip which I think you don't have.
	We can play in a little bit.
	But what really bothered me about Feinstein, who is the...
	She's the chairperson of the...
	What do you call it?
	The Intelligence Committee.
	Right, Senate Intelligence.
	Right, but you'd think that this hearing is like to learn.
	No, no, no.
	It's literally like she's the teacher.
	Posturing.
	And she's going to tell you everything that's going on, what the fact is.
	Her and the loser next to her, who is the Republican guy, and all they did was kiss the ass of the NSA, the whole thing, except for Whiten and Udall.
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, do you think Feinstein's got enough to hide?
	Well, she's also getting these deals of husbands buying post offices and all the rest of it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's a scam.
	She's the biggest scammer.
	But here's the clip that I teased in the newsletter, which I still think is funny.
	This is Feinstein on the Mall and the Somalians.
	Now, if you interpret this clip the way I interpret it, because she does nothing to change her statement, she is actually saying that the NSA can't do its job.
	One...
	This is the subtext.
	She doesn't know what she's saying, but this is the truth.
	This is the real truth coming out.
	The subtext is, one, they didn't know anything about this mall thing in advance, even though apparently some people in Kenya did, because even my economic hitman mentioned that people were warned not to go that day.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But apparently our intelligence agency didn't have anything to do with it.
	And she says that this could just as easily happen here in the United States.
	Which means to me, what she's saying right there, is then you can play the clip to confirm this, because she never backs off of this comment.
	She says it could happen here, means that this agency is doing nothing to stop anything.
	And that NSA surveillance programs have prevented dozens of terrorist attacks.
	Against the United States and numerous other countries around the world.
	Just this past weekend, we were reminded that the terrorist threat remains.
	We watched in horror as a small group of determined gunmen mercilessly killed over 60 innocent men, women and children at the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya.
	The death and destruction we saw at the mall could have been at a mall in the United States.
	We know that al-Shabaab, the terrorist group that has claimed credit for the attack, has successfully recruited young men from the United States to come to Somalia to train in their jihadist camps.
	And the group formally merged with al-Qaeda in February of 2012.
	I'd like to say a few things about this.
	First of all, it's a sad state of affairs when no agenda intelligence is better than that of the NSA, the CIA, and the State Department.
	They got other things to do.
	We were talking about Kenya three weeks ago.
	We were already telling you to be on the lookout for something.
	We didn't specifically know what was going to happen.
	But you've received it from your economic hit, man.
	I've gotten it from my boots on the ground there in Kenya.
	There was a lot of warnings.
	But there's always consistent warnings about that specific mall.
	By the way, the fact that it's called Westgate Mall is just, you know, it's fantastic.
	That's why, you know, Feinstein is using this to scare people.
	What I find interesting is that, you know, there were 50 students apparently shot dead in their beds yesterday or overnight.
	But that's not any news.
	I guess because, I don't know, we can't relate to it or maybe it's not the right Al-Qaeda fraction.
	But this Al-Qaeda Inc.
	thing, which she alluded to, is Al-Shabaab, and it's a subsidiary, and they're all franchises, and everyone seems to be on board with this.
	Al-Qaeda is now...
	It's a small business.
	It's a small or medium business.
	It's a Soho operation.
	Small office, home office.
	Oh, I'd forgotten that one.
	Yeah, it's a Soho operation.
	But you read, like, The Economist, and they're all on board with this.
	And then, you know, big news over the weekend.
	Al-Qaeda has opened its first official Twitter account.
	Are you kidding me?
	I mean, seriously.
	And actually, I have it here.
	What is the...
	Hold on a second.
	It's not like Al-Qaeda, Inc.
	Might as well be.
	Well, this is why you can't trust any of this stuff.
	But people believe it, too.
	We also really only know that it was Al-Shabaab because they tweeted it.
	And I guess apparently you can't track anything that's done on Twitter.
	No, it's impossible.
	So here is Shomokalislam.
	These guys, they need the Curry Devorak Consulting Group.
	This is not a good Twitter handle, people.
	So here's from three hours ago.
	Your governments are responsible for everything that happens to you at the hands of the Mujahideen.
	Stop the black hate of your regimes.
	Ask your government why they are still robbing our lands, killing our childrens.
	Violate our womens and discrate our legions.
	Desecrate.
	Desecrat.
	I'm sorry.
	Desecrat.
	Desecrat our legions.
	So this is the...
	And by the way, only 2,700 followers?
	Come on, Al-Qaeda.
	You can do better than that.
	Yeah, that stinks.
	You should at least buy some off of eBay.
	Yeah, go to eBay and pick up some bullcrap followers.
	Pick up some followers, man.
	This is not looking right.
	So this whole thing, it is such theater of the mind and how Feinenberg sits there and just pontificates from her little...
	Shambliss, is that the guy who's sitting next to her?
	No, no, no.
	That's Saxby Chambers.
	Yeah, Shambliss.
	No, Shambliss is the black guy.
	No, no, no, no.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, yeah.
	Saxby Shambliss.
	Saxby Shambliss.
	He's the worst.
	Yeah.
	I mean, here's a little clip from him if you want to hear just him.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Let's do it.
	Let's do it.
	It says Saxby clip.
	I don't have...
	It says Saxby clip?
	Let's see where it is.
	No, no.
	It doesn't say...
	I know.
	I got too many clips.
	This is a real problem today.
	No.
	You want me to just remove a couple?
	No.
	I do have a point to make on these.
	I know.
	That's why I'm letting you go.
	Well, we can do Saxby later.
	Go ahead and roll it out.
	Okay, well, let's do this one other thing from Feinstein, which is Feinstein makes it worse.
	Okay.
	We know that Al-Shabaab has claimed that some of the attackers it sent to the mall in Nairobi were from the United States and other Western countries, though the United States intelligence community has not confirmed this information.
	Wow.
	Everyone knows they were from Wisconsin by now.
	No, no.
	Minnesota.
	Minnesota.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah.
	Well, where's the NSA? How come they don't name names?
	How come they don't go arrest these people?
	Yeah, this is the thing that is interesting that it's never asked.
	They don't ask anything at this whole thing.
	Here's my favorite one.
	Now, I didn't put this clip in here because there was too many clips.
	We didn't need to play it again, but I'm going to remind people of the clip.
	This is a clip from, I don't know, six months ago.
	So when Clapper lied and when Holder came up, and Holder wouldn't lie, and the question was, and you remember it, Are they collecting information that can be used by the administration to blackmail legislative people and put them at the edge, right?
	And he said, well...
	Can't say.
	He wouldn't say.
	You know what, John?
	This is how good this show is.
	I want to just ask, could you assure to us that no phones inside the Capitol were monitored of members of Congress that would give a future executive branch, if they started pulling this kind of thing off, would give them unique leverage over the legislature?
	With all due respect, Senator, I don't think this is an appropriate setting for me to discuss that issue.
	I'd be more than glad to come back in an appropriate setting to discuss the issues that you have raised.
	Yeah, we can only pull these kinds of clips out because we have a staff here of hundreds.
	A staff of a hundred fingers?
	A hundred people.
	Okay, so that is...
	Now, I'm claiming right now Marco Rubio's been compromised.
	You have Marco Rubio out of Florida.
	Now, Florida is one of the conduit points.
	In fact, there's more Brazilians in Florida.
	And if you go to Brazil, nine times out of ten, you're going to fly through, I think it's Miami.
	Because they don't have flights.
	That's how you get there from now on.
	So everything goes through Miami.
	And he's like the senator from this state.
	So you'd think that if he's given the opportunity, he's on this committee, to ask a question like, why were you spying on the Brazilian president?
	Just some interesting question of any sort.
	And he is supposedly this great libertarian Tea Party guy.
	Now, you play me this clip.
	This is Rubio's entire little thing.
	He just has a little lead and then a question, and then he's done.
	He was given five minutes.
	He uses two.
	You tell me that something's not up with this guy.
	Senator Julio.
	Thank you, and thank you, gentlemen, for being here today.
	This is...
	Doesn't he thank him for their service?
	That's sad.
	You might as well blow them, but go on.
	An interesting issue to try to balance is, especially when you explain it to people back home and you talk to them.
	On the one hand, I think people understand.
	I'm going to echo a lot of what Senator Coates said here, but I think people understand the need to provide for the security of our country, although I think sometimes as the years go by, we tend to forget the threats that we face because they've been prevented in many instances.
	And on the other hand, I think we understand that people have these privacy expectations.
	Sometimes they're not privacy rights, per se, according to the court, but they're certainly expectations.
	And Americans are very uncomfortable with the notion that the government, if they wanted to, could see every phone call they made and everyone they called.
	I think all of this is further complicated by general distrust of the federal government, which I think has been exacerbated, and by the fact that there is a history in this country of abusing intelligence information for political purposes, obviously not in recent times, but in the past.
	So these are things that people are concerned about.
	So now, the question is, you know, how do we balance all this?
	You know, on the one hand, I understand the idea that the government could get your phone records anytime they want and see who you've been calling.
	People would think that they could be targeted.
	On the other hand, as I've told people, you know, if Osama bin Laden had been making regular calls to someone on Wall Street, I guarantee you it wasn't his stockbroker.
	In fact, I bet you it was his stockbroker.
	I know who that was.
	So these are the things that we would want to balance.
	And...
	In light of that, I wanted to talk a little bit about the safeguards so maybe the American people have a better understanding of the things that are already there that protect them.
	So I've noticed in some of the information that's been made available that there's a significant amount of resources at the NSA that are devoted to safeguarding the privacy of Americans.
	General Alexander, can you discuss in more detail The size and the scope of the NSA safeguards to ensure that information about Americans are protected from these sorts of things.
	And while you do that...
	Senator, thanks for that question, because we do have extensive safeguards.
	Could you please spread your cheeks a little bit, because I can't quite put my tongue in.
	I can't quite get it in.
	Oh, thank you.
	Thank you, Kaiser.
	So, Rubio is useless.
	Oh, that's great.
	And he's the great speaker.
	Now he's stammering.
	So they've got something.
	Well, it's either that or he's been offered the deal.
	Well, he might have been offered the deal, but the way he's acting, he had a guilty look.
	He was like a kid kicking dirt, and he's looking down, and he's stammering, and he's getting this out, this question that's pre-done question that was obviously asked.
	It was a setup, a softball question.
	It was useless.
	It meant nothing to anybody.
	He is compromised.
	He is done.
	This guy is over.
	He's got something going on.
	They busted him.
	Well, let me tell you what I think is going on.
	We didn't really talk about it too much, but we had this FBI guy who has now been put away for 15 years, like three months because he compromised information about another fake underwear bomber in Yemen.
	And then all the rest of the time is for kiddie porn on his computer.
	Yeah, right.
	Yeah, this is what's going on.
	I can tell you now, they've planted some kiddie porn on the guy's computer, and it's like, Marco Polo.
	That's it.
	That's all they have.
	In fact, they only have to look at him and go, Marco Polo.
	And he knows what's going on.
	I think that's what they do.
	This is the new narrative.
	It's just, we're going to put kiddie porn on your computer.
	We've busted you, because they busted that guy.
	You know, months ago, before the, actually funny enough, it was like five days before they discovered that he had provided the leak to the Associated Press, they bust him for kiddie porn on his computer.
	Are you kidding me?
	Sorry to use the pun, but that's exactly, this is what they do.
	Yeah, I didn't get the pun.
	I didn't even intend it to be that way.
	So I had a funny thing happen.
	I was clipping a Wyden clip.
	And some kiddie porn showed up on your computer.
	No, thank God.
	So anyway, so the Wyden, you have to play, this is the Wyden with the autoplay.
	My computer cranked up an autoplay.
	And I got on the clip and I said, oh, this is interesting.
	And it was a funny coincidence you'll get a kick out of it.
	Gentlemen, you talked in your opening statements about the damage that was done.
	Does he sound like Bill Gates, by the way, or what?
	He does sound a lot like Bill Gates with a bigger lisp.
	Yeah.
	By the recent disclosures.
	I believe any government official who thought that the intrusive...
	We're not quite sure who to believe anymore.
	Sources have told people that Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta-Jones are on the path to reconciliation after mixed reports for a while now.
	I mean, I know they don't want you doing the show, but this is going a little far.
	It's like, maybe we can trick him with some Catherine Zeta-Jones information.
	Maybe we can distract him from that.
	Before you go on to Wyden, I have two quick Feinstein clips which I don't think you have.
	Okay.
	So one, and this is the part where she's just grandstanding and she uses, I forget now, was it, I think it's coal.
	Maybe it was the Kaiser.
	To basically tell the press to...
	Shut up, slave!
	...do not, under any circumstance, call this a surveillance program.
	That's not what it is.
	...ask one question, and I'll ask it of you, if I may, Mr.
	Cole.
	Much of the press has called this a surveillance program.
	It is not...
	What?
	It's not.
	It is not.
	Well, she's going to use Cole to explain why.
	And the general belief out there is that everybody is surveilled.
	They are not.
	What?
	This is her waterloo right here.
	We've got to keep this clip.
	Oh, that's a keeper.
	Yeah, this is fantastic.
	And you'll listen to Cole.
	And Cole, throughout his entire time on the mic, he's got his shit together.
	He knows how to talk.
	He's getting the words out.
	He starts to fumble so bad in his answer because he's lying.
	The metadata collection of phone numbers has been described in that form, that it's surveillance.
	Please describe exactly what is collected as metadata.
	This is for the press, you understand.
	Hello, journalists.
	You've been put on notice.
	You will not be a part of the Media Shield law if you continue to describe this as a surveillance program.
	You must stop, and here's why.
	Uh...
	Madam Chairman, what is collected as metadata is quite limited.
	It's much like what you would see on a phone record.
	Ah, say it.
	Do you hear her go like, say it.
	Just say it.
	Just say it.
	She bops in there for a second.
	Just say it.
	Because he's not getting to the point.
	It is the number that a telephone calls.
	Just the number.
	It doesn't include the name of the person called.
	It doesn't include the location.
	You don't need to include the name.
	You can look it up on Google.
	You can put a phone number in the Google and you'll get somebody's name.
	It's not that big of a deal.
	Wait for him to stumble and fumble.
	It doesn't include any content of that communication.
	It doesn't include financial information or anything like that.
	By the way, I'm listening for more and more of these linguistic tricks they're trying to pull.
	What he's doing is describing the metadata.
	It doesn't mean that they don't have the other stuff.
	Well, he's about to fumble over exactly that, where he says, what you're going to hear him say, I'm paraphrasing, is, well, we have it, but we can't legally go searching for it, but he kind of brings it around to say, where he says we can't do it, it's technically not possible, but legally it wouldn't be possible.
	You'll hear him fumble, because he realizes he's getting tongue-tied.
	It's just the number that was called.
	The date it was called and the length of the call.
	If you want any additional information beyond that, You would have to go and get other legal processes.
	He's already realized in his head, he's like, oh shit, I just kind of said that we kind of have all the information.
	Yeah, he shouldn't have gone that way.
	These guys are full of themselves.
	There's an instance during this hearing where Clapper was babbling on about something and Alexander decided to jump in.
	Like they're doing a pitch for a venture capitalist.
	It's unbelievable.
	Yes.
	To find that information and acquire it.
	And I think another important point is, while a great deal of metadata is collected, very little of it is actually looked at.
	It is only looked at and only can be looked at when there is the reasonable, articulable suspicion...
	Okay, so this is where he fucks up.
	Reasonable, articulable suspicion.
	He's like, why did I say it like that?
	For a specific phone number...
	To be queried in this database.
	And then whatever that number calls can be looked at.
	Otherwise, we do not and cannot just roam through this database looking for whatever connections we may think are interesting or in any way look at it beyond the restrictions in the court order.
	So, essentially, they roam through the database.
	That's exactly what they're doing.
	We just roam through the database.
	If you worked there and you had access to one of these terminals, like apparently Snowden may have had, or unless it was a fed him, although our theory is that the CIA... Here's what you do.
	Select star from star export.
	That would work.
	To.xls or whatever.
	Are you kidding this?
	Okay, I only have one more clip on this, and then if you have a final point to make, I want to hear this.
	This is, for me, this was the big revealing moment where Frankenstein reveals they are, but she doesn't have all the words right because instead of saying backbone, she says the internet background because she's a fucking moron.
	Sorry, excuse, pardon my language.
	But she means to say the internet backbone.
	And here she literally says, upstream collection, which is what we've been talking about on the show for almost since inception.
	We know of the building on 2nd Street in San Francisco.
	This is what the whistleblower, this is Silent Wind, this is whatever the project was called.
	This is where the fiber optics are literally tapped off from AT&T and Level 3 and whoever else is a big Tier 1 provider.
	And they're just sucking it all up and collecting all of the data.
	It's called upstream collection, and she admits to it in this case because she's so dumb.
	She doesn't understand that email is not bundled like it's a UPS package, but she thinks it is.
	But really, she's talking about just swooping up all packets.
	Can I interrupt this just to respond?
	In mid-2011, NSA notified the DOJ, the DNI, and the FISA Court, and House and Senate Intelligence Committees of a series of compliance incidents impacting a subset of NSA collection under Section 702 of FISA, known as upstream collection.
	Whoa!
	Upstream collection!
	This comprises about 10% of all collection that takes place under 702 and occurs when NSA obtains internet communications, such as emails, from certain US companies that operate the internet background, i.e.
	the companies that own and operate the domestic telecommunication lines Before I continue, now you agree with me what she's talking about is full-on tapping of all packets.
	Yes, that's what it sounds like to me.
	And what's frightening about this...
	She doesn't even get it.
	Well, she doesn't get it, obviously, internet background.
	But what's frightening was the comment that this comprises only 10%.
	Only?
	Yes.
	What else are they collecting?
	In essence, the issue that arose in 2011 was that NSA, while trying to acquire emails to, from, or about an overseas target, realized it and was inadvertently acquiring other emails.
	Including some emails sent between persons inside the United States that happened to be bundled with the email messages NSA was trying to collect.
	Was that with a piece of string?
	With some twine that it was bundled?
	Was it a zip archive?
	What was it, Diane?
	This bundling is done by internet companies in order to make it easier to send information quickly over the telecom lines.
	Where's Ted Stevens when we need him?
	Where's the series of tubes?
	Exactly.
	That make up the internet.
	It's not a truck.
	Let's just back that up.
	That make up the internet.
	Hold on.
	The telecom lines that make up the internet.
	It's the telecom lines that make up the internet.
	By the way, this show is bundled to you right now with all a bunch of other podcasts to make it more efficient, to get them to you.
	That's why AT&T bundles our podcast with Joe Rogan.
	To make sure that it's easier to get it to you.
	Unfortunately, NSA's technical systems could not easily separate the individual messages within these bundles.
	Anyone who has had any experience with, I don't know, a computer, knows that this woman is really, really full of it.
	And the result was the NSA collected some email messages it did not intend to acquire.
	Okay.
	We held a lengthy hearing on the court's ruling on October 20th, 2011, at which General Alexander and Lisa Monaco, then the Assistant Attorney General for National Security, described the court's ruling and what they were doing to address it.
	Here's my point.
	It was a mistake.
	Action was taken immediately to correct it.
	Oh, okay.
	That's really all that I had to...
	I just wanted...
	I just needed to point out.
	Yeah, it was idiotic.
	Yeah, it was very, very sad.
	So I got...
	There's a couple...
	Wyden has a couple...
	One question which...
	Makes you wonder why he's asking this question.
	And Wyden is the guy who originally asked Clapper if they were tapping any citizens.
	Because he knew they were.
	And Clapper lied in front of Congress.
	By the way, during this committee hearing, how many people did that point up?
	I'm sorry?
	During this hearing, or any of these hearings, does anyone ever bring this up to Clapper that he did this?
	No.
	Huh.
	You think maybe Marco Rubio would?
	I know.
	So here's Wyden grandstanding, and these two Wyden clips, one of them has got a very interesting piece of information in it that I think, I'm going to see if you can spot it.
	...shows that in America the truth always managed to come out.
	Notwithstanding the extraordinary professionalism and patriotism of thousands of dedicated intelligence professionals...
	The leadership of your agencies built an intelligence collection system that repeatedly deceived the American people.
	Time and time again, the American people were told one thing about domestic surveillance in public forums while government agencies did something else in private.
	Now these secret interpretations of the law and violations of the constitutional rights of Americans have become public.
	Your agencies face terrible consequences that were not planned for.
	There's been loss of trust in our intelligence apparatus here at home and with friendly foreign allies, and that trust is going to take time to rebuild.
	Now you're going to have to tell me, because I heard a lot in there.
	Okay, that one wasn't in there.
	Okay, all right.
	So it'll be in this clip.
	The next one, which is on the...
	This is the question he asks.
	He can't get an answer.
	And two things come to mind when he does it, by the way.
	One thing comes to mind.
	Why is he asking this question, and why is he so adamant about something as fishy about this question?
	I don't know what.
	We'll figure it out on this show, I'm sure, before anybody gets a clue.
	But in here, he also drops a little bomb I didn't realize.
	Now, with respect to questions, let me start with you, General Alexander, and as you all know...
	Did he say General Alexander?
	No, he said General.
	Well, he sounds like a mix between Bill Gates and Sylvester the Cat.
	I think he said General Alexander.
	Okay, play.
	Go ahead.
	What do you want to say?
	Well, I'm going to say, just play and then see if you can identify the little thing.
	Now, with respect to questions, let me start with you, General Alexander.
	And as you all know, it's my practice to notify you in advance so there won't be any surprises.
	Oh, this is like question time.
	It's scripted.
	So as you know...
	Why don't you just say it?
	It's scripted.
	If you can go to page four, and this is a scene interior at the hearing, and fade from black and cue.
	Now, with respect to questions, let me start with you, General Alexander, and as you all know, it's my practice to notify you in advance so there won't be any surprises about the kinds of issues that I'm going to get into.
	And Director Alexander, Senator Udall, and Senator Heinrich, and I, along with about two dozen other senators, have asked in the past whether the NSA has ever collected Or made any plans to collect Americans' cell site information in bulk?
	What would be your response to that?
	Senator, on July 25th, Director Clapper provided an unclassified written response to this question amongst others, as well as a classified supplement with additional detail.
	Allow me to reaffirm what was stated in that unclassified response.
	Under Section 215, NSA is not receiving cell site location data and has no current plans to do so.
	As you know, I indicated to this committee on October 20, 2011, that I would notify Congress of NSA's intent to obtain cell site location data prior to any such plans being put in place.
	As you may also be aware, I expressed...
	General, if I might just...
	I still have a few more because it does...
	I think we're all...
	But I haven't finished reading the script!
	Hey, hey, man!
	I rehearsed the script!
	You can stop it there.
	They get nowhere.
	I like it.
	I'm familiar with it.
	That's not the question I'm asking respectfully.
	I'm asking, has the NS... Do you like Vista over XP? They ever collect it.
	Or ever made any plans to collect American cell site information.
	That was the question that we still, respectfully, General, have not gotten an answer to.
	Could you give me an answer to that?
	We did.
	We sent that in both places.
	By the way, he says we did.
	Yeah, we got it.
	Allow me to continue.
	As you're also aware, I expressly reaffirmed this commitment to the committee on June 25, 2013.
	Yeah, no.
	Ugh.
	Liars.
	This is getting bad.
	I don't want to bore people stiff with all these clips, but I do have a kind of an Ask Adam question.
	Clip, which is Coates, Indiana on NSA and the media.
	And I'm going to ask you a question after this clip.
	This is the guy that Rubio deferred to.
	He says, I pretty much agree with everything Coates, this is the guy from Indiana, said.
	Which is stuff like what you're going to play now.
	And then the question comes to mind.
	Well, Madam Chairman, the word trust has come up a couple of times here.
	And I think...
	That's clearly something that we're having to deal with that makes it difficult to convince the American people that very significant measures have been taken to protect their privacy.
	What's disturbing to me is that despite the information that has been provided, declassified, made available to the public, directly available to the media, I was shocked one
	morning in listening to a major network program on one of the major networks having discussed previously With General Alexander, General Clapper, and others at NSA that that media outlet had been briefed,
	given relevant, classified information to certain people who were in charge of this programming, only to have in a discussion during that program the comment by the lead individual of, look, They're listening to everything we say.
	This was after a detailed discussion about the programs, what NSA does and what it doesn't do, what the Intelligence Committee does and doesn't do.
	Alright, and here we go.
	Alright, I'm ready for your question.
	Okay, so they say they had a classified discussion with broadcast executives and people from some show to set them straight.
	Now, if I have classified clearance, can I just give away classified information unless the other party has classified clearance?
	Can I just give it to anybody?
	So I have a bunch of classified information because I have clearance.
	I have it in my head.
	And I go tell everybody.
	Can I do that legally?
	Let me ask.
	Hold on a second.
	When I was at...
	When we were at Uncle Don's house...
	During the first Hot Pockets tour, we were there and one of my niece's friends, and they all kind of live in this D.C. area, they were up visiting, she has clearance.
	And I was asking about how long they lived in Japan, and she's 17.
	And she looked at me and she said, I can't tell you because you don't have clearance.
	So that would be a no.
	So that would be a no.
	So that tells me one of two things.
	One, well, that tells me one of three things.
	One, the first one, they're lying about the whole thing.
	Yes, possible.
	Two, they are giving, they are illegally revealing classified information to the news media, who they're never even supposed to talk to.
	We have plenty of clips that say that's true.
	Or, more interestingly, everybody has compromised.
	Oh, whoa, hold on a second.
	Stop the presses.
	So the news media, in other words, has clearance, and it's a total conflict of interest, because they're obviously being fed secret information that they can't reveal, so they can't even do their jobs.
	I can't even find out why my niece's friend was in Japan.
	Yeah, I mean, what's the big deal?
	Classified.
	And as a kid.
	Oh, we were there three months.
	Oh, it's classified.
	You gave away classified information.
	She said, you don't have clearance.
	I can't tell you.
	I'm sorry.
	You have to leave the room and I can answer the question.
	So I think your third option is where it's at.
	And a lot of the news media not only has the clearance, they are compromised 100%.
	Hello!
	And so then the guy gets shocked.
	In fact, probably the people that were on the talk show, because of the clearance issues, never got the word.
	This guy's an idiot, this Coates guy.
	And then, yeah, so one of these guys says, yeah, they're watching everything we do.
	You know, okay, they probably are.
	But it's beside the point.
	Anyway, that really bugged me to hear that one.
	So to wrap this up a little bit with just a couple of things that are taking place in the news as we speak.
	One, in just under three weeks, I think October 18th, the brand new movie, The Fifth Estate, premieres just in time for all of this.
	This, of course, is the movie.
	And it's a Katzenberg, Spielberg, DreamWorks thing, so it's a real movie.
	This is about Julian Assange.
	It's called The Fifth Estate, and so that'll be out October 18th, so that timing is perfect for all of this.
	They probably should have another big leak.
	Oh, wait a minute.
	Glenn Greenwald has now teamed up with Jeremy Scahill.
	Scahill?
	Scahill?
	With the Bertha Foundation-funded Dirty Wars documentary-slash-movie, and they say they are going to be working together and they will come out with a huge story about the U.S. assassination program, tying the National Security Agency's role into the U.S. assassination program.
	Good.
	Yeah, it's fantastic for our show.
	So that will be coming.
	And now the New York Times, interestingly...
	Yes, I saw this too.
	All of a sudden they're getting all kinds of inside dope from Snowden.
	Well, they have Laura Poitras writing for them.
	Oh, gee.
	That's right.
	By James Risen and Laura Poitras.
	And Laura Poitras.
	James Risen is very much an intelligence community guy.
	So they have this little PowerPoint page, a little snippet, which is unreadable.
	I mean, I've tried to blow this thing up.
	I've tried to zoom in on it.
	You can't actually see what it says.
	Have you been able to look at this?
	No, I haven't really.
	I saw it.
	It's the S-Y-A-N-P-S-E data model.
	The synapse?
	No, no, no.
	It's S-Y-A-N-P-S-E. Cyanaps.
	It's probably supposed to be synapses when somebody spells it wrong.
	Hey, man.
	And the PowerPoint has these little blue spider thingies on the side.
	It's all very spooky and lots of diagrams.
	If I brought this to a pitch meeting, I'd be thrown out.
	This is not a diagram that makes any sense.
	You can't read it.
	The only thing you can read is Lexhound, Tasking, TXB, Paki.
	God knows what it is.
	But what the story of Laura Poitras...
	My guest now, she's gone from filmmaker to New York Times journalist.
	She claims that the NSA has been gathering data on social connections of U.S. citizens, which I don't find to be any big revelation.
	You can do that yourself on Facebook.
	Well, yeah.
	What's the thing that Leo Show always promotes?
	I don't know.
	What are they always promoting?
	It's like the new Squarespace company.
	They have a new data thing.
	Oh, yeah.
	Fulcrum, FullMe.
	I don't know.
	Scrotum.
	Scrotum data.
	Come on.
	What's it called?
	I don't know.
	It's like a zone.
	I usually leave when I do the commercials.
	Yeah, no, but it's a service, and then you input your Twitter info and your Google crap.
	I think it's Scrotum data.
	Whatever it is.
	I have two more clips.
	I'm going to get them out of the way so we can get on with this.
	Well, I just wanted to mention one more thing.
	By no coincidence, I'm sure, the Amsterdam Internet Exchange has decided they're going to put a direct line into the U.S. East Coast exchanges, I guess to make it easier.
	For the NSA to tap.
	Yeah.
	So they used to buy Transit, the Am6.
	I guess they were buying Transit.
	And now they want to own their own lines between the Amsterdam Internet Exchange and, I guess, May East.
	Sum all.
	There you go.
	It would be May East, which is in Virginia, by the way.
	Sum all.
	Makes it easier.
	You don't have to commute.
	Sum all scrotum data.
	That's what it is.
	Sum all.
	Sum all.
	I told you it sounded like scrotum.
	Sum all scrotum.
	Alright.
	Okay, so Udall's the only other guy that asks any questions, and he does his thing by asking a blunt question.
	He gets kind of blunt answers, and they're actually frightening.
	He essentially asks three questions.
	He says, do you have any upper limits on what you can collect?
	And the guy says, no, we're collecting everything we can.
	What?
	I mean, after all these denials, this question comes up at the very end of the whole thing, by the way.
	And then he says, is there any, do you collect all kinds of stuff?
	He says, yeah, you have to, this is actually kind of astonishing what you get to hear here.
	General Alexander, if I might turn to you initially.
	The recently released documents that lay out the FISA court's interpretation of relevance In the context of Section 215, to mean that the government can collect the phone records of millions of Americans on a daily, ongoing basis.
	If I could, I'd like to ask you three quick yes or no questions.
	Under the FISA court's analysis, are there upper limits on the number of telephone records you can collect?
	Is it the goal of the NSA to collect the phone records of all Americans?
	And finally, do you believe that the court's analysis gives the NSA the authority to collect other kinds of bulk records in addition to telephone records?
	The answer is yes, yes, and yes.
	It's astonishing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, don't you love it?
	Again, if you could give me a yes or no answer to those three questions, I would appreciate it.
	And I'm going to ask...
	Because I'm not a lawyer reading the opinion.
	I'll give you the answer, but I would ask the Deputy Attorney General to make sure that I say each of these exactly right.
	I thought this was yes, yes, yes.
	If we could.
	Yeah, right.
	How is exactly right?
	What does that get to do with anything?
	By the way, it is a little creepy that the NSA and the FBI are essentially in bed together.
	This is just a sweep of...
	The FBI has always wanted an edge on all this stuff because they can arrest people easier.
	Nobody brought up in the hearings how the IRS got all this data that they got to go bust people with.
	I mean, none of this came up.
	And all this answer does is just confirm everything.
	You know, this is why I'm opting out.
	No, I am.
	No, this is my new thing.
	I, Adam Curry, opt out.
	I opt out.
	I no longer carry a cell phone.
	I just don't.
	No, I don't.
	People look at me like I have my iPod Touch, and it's, by the way, iOS 6, and it's the previous version, so it's the pre-Steve Jobs kicking the bucket version, the iPod Touch, because after that, you know that Tim Collins, what's his name?
	Tim Cook.
	Tim Collins.
	Tom Collins.
	It's like a drink.
	I'm a Tim Collins.
	Yeah, Tim Collins.
	It's got lime juice.
	So the Tim Collins, you know that guy's letting the NSA in.
	We know.
	Why?
	Because we have this document that in 2012 they jumped on board with the program.
	So all I do is I walk around and I've only got a Wi-Fi thing.
	It's off.
	Until I need it, and I have all these little Wi-Fi hotspots I can connect to.
	Can they trace me?
	Yeah.
	Is there a MAC address?
	Yeah, sure.
	But I am opting out.
	And people look at me, wow, what kind of phone is that?
	Yeah, it's a brand new one.
	Wow!
	Wow!
	And boy!
	Oh, I love...
	Is this iOS 8?
	It looks so good.
	No, no, no.
	I'd say this is iOS 6.
	I'm not an idiot like you.
	I didn't upgrade that shit.
	All the spy shit in there.
	So I'm opting out.
	I'm opting out at the airport.
	I'm opting out of cell phones.
	I'm opting out of new vehicles.
	So did you see the story that...
	I opt out!
	One of our listeners said where apparently the New York Police Department is going from person to person when they see someone with an iPhone, handing them a flyer.
	Yes, a flyer.
	Upgrade.
	You have to upgrade.
	You have to upgrade to iOS 7.
	And here's what I was thinking at first.
	Well, they want everyone so they can use the fingerprint thing.
	No, no, no.
	It's only the new phones that get the fingerprint thing.
	There's no reason to upgrade to iOS 7.
	No, there is.
	It's because it has the new locking system.
	So essentially, the phone is registered in this database, which the police have access to.
	Right.
	And not only that, but it has the new ELF transmission system that can talk to your brain.
	So you hear voices in your head.
	I haven't heard that one.
	Well, do you have an iOS 7 device?
	I don't.
	No, no.
	I opt out.
	That's all I'm saying.
	I'm serious about it, John.
	You've opted out a long time ago.
	I know that.
	Well, I just don't like it for other reasons.
	So we had one of our producers send in this note about the – one of our female listeners, as a matter of fact, sent in the note about the New York thing and then sent a copy of a patent that – Yeah.
	So you've got your Apple iPhone, which is typically what a protester would have, because they're all Apple users.
	I'm sure this is already in the Google phone, so that's why Google doesn't use it.
	Android is probably already all in.
	Who knows about the Windows phones?
	So you're at one of these events in Wall Street.
	There's three people with Windows phones.
	No one cares.
	You protest with the Windows phone, the protesters will kill you.
	So you have to occupy Wall Street and you're being kettled like they would do in the UK. And then your phone turns off.
	And your phone turns off and you can't do anything.
	You can't communicate with anybody.
	You can't do anything.
	All the phones in the area get turned off.
	So this is why the New York Police Department, I totally believe this, why else would they give a crap about wanting people to upgrade to iOS 7?
	I think it's a known story by now, although not widely reported, of course.
	Public awareness notice.
	Yeah, that this is about...
	Added security to your voice.
	I like the way they play the, oh, we give you added security.
	Yeah, well...
	I need a t-shirt.
	I opt out.
	Just that's it.
	Frankie says, I opt out.
	I'm just done.
	I'm done with all...
	You don't have to play along with the game.
	Television, I opt out.
	I'm not watching it.
	Except professionally, I watch C-Spanist.
	I got to.
	But I just opt out.
	We sat down for three of the new shows.
	And we were like, let's watch this Michael J. Fox show.
	I like Michael J. Fox.
	Oh, you made the mistake of not watching the McDonald's commercial that was one entire half hour, the Robin Williams show?
	No, I haven't seen that.
	It started off as, oh, they're going to lose McDonald's as a client.
	It was essentially a humorous version of Mad Men.
	Yeah.
	And the whole show was about how they're trying to get Kelly Clarkson to sing the McDonald's theme from the 70s and remind people how home...
	How good McDonald's is.
	The entire show was a McDonald's commercial.
	No, no, that's called native advertising.
	We know what this is.
	It's native advertising.
	It was a jaw-dropper.
	Native advertising.
	I can't believe the public didn't look at that and go, this is disgusting.
	The public is brain-dead, dude.
	Dude.
	All right, forget all that.
	I'd like to say in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	Well, in the morning to you, Adam Curry, and also in the morning to all the ships and sea boots on the ground, feet in the air.
	Sub-committees at work, subs in the water, and the names and knights out there.
	And in the morning to all of our human resources there in the chat room, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net.
	Good to have you here on this Sunday.
	Also in the morning to all of our artists who help us out with our art here on the program, Joshua Pettigrew.
	He's been an executive producer before, and he also was our artist for episode 551, noagendaartgenerator.com.
	Thank you very much.
	For that, Joshua, really appreciated that.
	We look forward to what everyone comes up with for today's show.
	We do have a few executive producers to thank.
	And a lot of them came in today.
	It's really very pleasant, including Ryan Merritt with the 66666.
	But on top of the list is Timothy Dickman.
	Who came in with 124070, which makes him an insta-night, and his birthday.
	So that's why he put it in here.
	And with a note, this is a stretch on the most uninteresting number.
	Perhaps the listeners would love to hear how you two met, seeing as you run in different circles.
	We've told the story.
	We met on Leo's show.
	No, no.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	No, no, no.
	We met at CNET. Oh, no, the first time we met, I was intimidated by you.
	It was the pilot, it was a weekend, I think, a taping of pilots, the entire pilot for CNET, which before it was even a website, was supposed to be a television network.
	And you're right, but I think we only said hi or whatever, and I was like, God, that guy's good.
	Look, he's doing a McLaughlin group thing.
	I was like, man, he's kind of professional.
	I remember.
	I looked at you and I said, man, that's a good looking guy with a lot of hair.
	Look at that bulge.
	Is that what you thought?
	You were a slick talker.
	I'm surprised they didn't hire you.
	No, no, no.
	I opted out.
	And here's the funny thing.
	They offered me, well, of course, I had to move to San Francisco and move away from MTV, which I was doing at the time.
	They offered me like a million, 1.3 million options of CNET stock.
	And I was like, nah, nah, nah.
	I'm like, nah, nah, who needs that shit?
	I bet you I have the letter somewhere still.
	That's how stupid I was.
	I'm like, nah, fuck that.
	This will be nothing.
	It was a long shot.
	1.3 million options.
	This will never turn out to be anything.
	No good.
	So yes, but then we met Matt.
	I think I Skyped in.
	It was...
	I think this was before Leo was even doing video on Twit, wasn't it?
	No, no, no.
	We met again after that.
	It was at Fringal, actually.
	Right.
	No, we had a dinner, but that was only after we met on Leo's show.
	And after the show, you said to me, I remember, you said, Curry, what's your deal?
	You know, you go like, yes, yes, yes.
	You said, what's your deal?
	Are you rich?
	Are you rich?
	That's what you said!
	Oh, that's because I was in Europe and I ran into a newspaper that had a big feature about you, about how rich you were.
	Are you rich?
	People seem to hate you.
	You said something like that and I'm like, oh, by the way, people seem to hate you, mouse man.
	No.
	Not with such vitriol.
	Anyway, so that's how we met.
	So whatever the case, let's get on with the letter.
	Alright, please.
	Boring everyone's stiff.
	No, people love this.
	Or as I call them, orange stories.
	Also how John and Leo got to be friends.
	Leo and I worked...
	Oh yeah, that's boring.
	We don't care about that.
	It is.
	And why Adam never gets on Twit.
	I've been banned.
	This would take a whole show.
	I'm banned.
	He's been reading John's Doss book since I was a teenager.
	Hey, get over him.
	Perhaps John should throw in a copy of his 949 e-book with my instant night donation.
	Okay, I'll do that.
	I have a long-time douchebag, but could use some job and girl karma.
	Well, with your interest, I can see why on the second part.
	If I could be referred to as the Green Knight.
	Oh.
	I think we can, yeah.
	I think that's available.
	Eric, it's clear.
	Feel free to make fun of my last name, Adam.
	He already did.
	Yes.
	Don't think John will have trouble pronouncing it.
	Or you can call me a hoser, eh?
	Eh?
	Cheers from the Great White North, home of Bob and Doug McKenzie.
	You guys are always the highlight of my week.
	Oh, yeah.
	Today's my birthday.
	Aw.
	A request is shut up at science and the Korean kung fu-di-u-ching-ching.
	He means Chinese.
	Chinese.
	Kapu-au-ta-da-ching-ching.
	Yes.
	And he wants a d-douched.
	All right.
	And he wants a karma.
	Okay.
	Let's do it all in one go.
	go here we go shut up already science you've been de-douched .
	You've got karma.
	Nice.
	All right, Timothy Dickman, we will be knighting you as the Green Knight coming up in a little bit.
	Thank you.
	Ryan Merritt in Hoboken, New Jersey came in with a 6666666.
	Five of them, actually.
	Love the show.
	New listener.
	I'm already pre-D-Douche, so I'm just general karma, por favor.
	Don't read any of this crap.
	Okay.
	He wants it.
	Let's give him the karma.
	Thank you very much, Ryan.
	You've got karma.
	For a big sack of sixes for our sixth birthday.
	It's a giant sack of sixes.
	A giant sack of sixes.
	Howard Kraut, 552-52 in Longmont, Colorado.
	Hi, guys.
	I've been listening for a while, but I recently turned my brother on to the show who promptly turned around and accused me of being a douchebag.
	He has no human resources, so he's kindly taken upon himself to de-douche me and start us both on the golden path to knighthood.
	Here is 55252.
	All we ask is that you play this clip of Adam doing Eleanor from the McLaughlin group, which makes him laugh like a hyena every time I play it for him.
	He's a constitutional liar!
	I remember you liking that too, John.
	It is very funny.
	Let's try it one more time.
	He's a Excellent.
	Yeah, that was...
	That's, yeah.
	And Eleanor.
	Eleanor, did you get a de-douche?
	Yes, a de-douche.
	You've been de-douche.
	Excellent.
	Thank you.
	It's the Kraut brothers, everybody.
	The Kraut brothers are here.
	Sir Joseph Sukbeer in London.
	This is Joseph Sir Knight of North London is...
	I would like some job karma to say thank you for the shows.
	The caliber of material has been exceptional of late.
	Exceptional!
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Rounding out our executive producer, Sir David Koss in Arlington, Texas.
	Right up the street from you at 33333.
	Thanks for the karma when I was in the hospital with pulmonary embolisms.
	It worked!
	And they're now gone!
	This is good.
	Due to Obamacare, I got a fat insurance check just for being in there.
	I kid you not.
	As I promised, no wonder everyone's going to like Obamacare.
	You get pulmonary embolism and then you get a check.
	It's my 33rd birthday and we've got him on the list.
	Hence the 3333.
	You guys are a larger...
	That's the magic number.
	He says you guys are a larger part of everyone's lives than you think.
	Well, let me say this, Sir David.
	You guys are a larger part of our lives than you might realize.
	Yes.
	For sure.
	Exactly.
	Like, you know, like you are our living lives.
	So thank you for your executive producership.
	C-Cub in Kennewick, Washington with no note, 33-33-33.
	Michael Leary, $250 out of Oslo, Norway.
	I'm an ex-pat Brit living in Oslo.
	I have to say it's with fondness I've sent an initial donation of $250 not before time A. But as they say, confession is good for the soul.
	I'm always assuming I have one.
	I confess to at least three months of free listening to No Agenda and now righting a wrong.
	It's a brilliant job you guys pull off every week.
	And oh, by the way, I love show 551, not just for the intended content, but for the somewhat fascinating or fractionated opening.
	It took me back to the early 60s and the UK pirate radio days.
	Radio Caroline, when actual glitches so un-BBC-like, stole the show, and seasick DJs throwing up all over the record turntables, the transmitter antenna, towers collapsing in the North Sea storms.
	I'm loving it!
	By the way, you should have heard the whole thing.
	You only got the version where I hit pause.
	The people on the stream, and I'm sure someone recorded that whole sequence.
	I have to say, he says he's a swazzle-noff.
	He's a 69-year-old geezer going on 16, Mr.
	Mike there.
	So, of course, he remembers that.
	I was very young, but there was some charm to that.
	And I was a pirate broadcaster myself.
	It is.
	There's a charm to it.
	There's no pirate broadcaster, if you think about it.
	Only now it's legal.
	Wanton podcasters.
	Wanton, yeah.
	Camilla Hansen in Skeen, Norway, 224.
	The Norwegians are coming through for us.
	Greetings.
	I'd like to make this donation on behalf of my boyfriend, Fredrik Eng, or Eng, for this Sunday's show on the 29th.
	His birthday's Monday.
	He turns 24 as part of his gift.
	We're both from Norway, and he's a huge fan of the show.
	Please give him a birthday shout and some karma points for his engineering studies if it's not too cheesy.
	Tell him I love him.
	Aww.
	You know what?
	We'll tell him, and then you should show it tonight.
	If you know what we mean.
	Also, I'd like a little girl, a shut-up slave for myself, to remind both him and myself it's his birthday.
	Also, I should be in the kitchen cooking him dinner, donations for $200, making him an executive, social executive producer for his age.
	Hey, hey, hey, Frederick, this one's a keeper.
	This is a keeper, dude.
	Don't let this one slip through your fingers.
	So give them, I see, a little birthday.
	Yeah, shut up, shut up.
	He's on the list, so shut up, slave karma.
	So we'll do that.
	Yes.
	You've got karma.
	And Camilla, send us a picture so we know what we're dealing with here.
	Meanwhile, there's a lot of birthdays today.
	Stephen Cogswell at 202-33.
	Eric actually grouped the birthdays by date.
	Yeah, it's nice.
	He must have gotten up early.
	It's nice.
	Stephen Cogswell.
	There wasn't a lot.
	The spreadsheet wasn't a big one, so it was easy.
	20233, New Brunswick, Canada.
	It's my birthday on Tuesday.
	I want to be an associate executive producer or whatever.
	Now I'm 45 and still a douchebag.
	Thanks for the show.
	No, you're no longer a douchebag, my friend.
	And finally, exactly.
	Why don't you de-douche him quick so he doesn't feel that way.
	Oops.
	You've been de-douched.
	I'll give him the karma, too.
	I already hit the bell, so I might as well.
	You've got karma.
	You deserve it, man.
	Lincoln Millwood in Lawrenceville, Georgia.
	200 bucks, our final associate executive producer and donation is for the memory of one of your biggest and most beautiful fans, Rebecca Tumal from Markham, Ontario, who passed away suddenly at the age of 34.
	Wow.
	Check out her foundation at RebeccaTumalFoundation.org and it's T-I-M-O-L. Wow, what happened there?
	I don't know.
	Eric said to note it, so we did.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Okay, I'll take...
	Actually, I wanted to...
	Can I copy that?
	Let me take a look at the webpage.
	We always do this stuff.
	Let me see the...
	Let me just see what the foundation looks like.
	Rebecca...
	Oh, that's pretty.
	The Rebecca Timo Foundation is a charitable organization focused on educating society on how to live sustainably conserving the environment for future generations.
	Okay.
	Very nice.
	I'll put a link to that in the show notes.
	Okay.
	I want to thank all these producers and executive producers for helping us big time for show 552.
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	We'd appreciate your help.
	And we want to thank these people profusely.
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	Dvorak.org slash NA. Two quick PR mentions, two apps.
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	So that's an Android app.
	More images.
	More images, no.
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	No, I don't have anything here, but that is a free app.
	So you can get the stream and all kinds of stuff.
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	And a variety of quick portals to the site.
	Significant portion of the proceeds go to Adam and John.
	Okay, there you go.
	So links for that in the show notes under our PR section.
	And of course, we always appreciate it when you go out there, tell about our show, propagate the formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	God.
	Whoa!
	Oh!
	Order!
	Shut up, slave!
	Shut up, slave!
	Well, really big news, John.
	Big, big, big, big, big, big news.
	Okay.
	We have weathermen who are going to no longer fly, going to get vasectomies, no longer have children.
	What?
	That's right, yes.
	Oh, you didn't hear about this, did you?
	No.
	It's all over the news.
	Yes, the weathermen, this famous weatherman, Wall Street Journal weatherman, when he read the IPCC... Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	The Wall Street Journal has a weatherman?
	Eric Holthaus, who used to do weather for Wall Street Journal.
	And so he read the IPCC report and decided to cut his balls off?
	No, first...
	What is the messaging in that thing?
	Well, I'm going to tell you.
	First he decided he was no longer going to fly.
	He's never going to fly again because of his horrible carbon footprint.
	No, I'm not kidding you.
	This is big news.
	This is in, like, newspapers.
	Is this guy, like, okay, what's his name?
	Eric Holthaus.
	Eric with a C. Holthaus.
	H-O-L-T-H-A-U-S. He also has tweeted that he's considering a vasectomy.
	And this is, by the way, a trend.
	I know a lot of guys will go out of their way to get laid, but this is like ridiculous trying to pick up some of these hippie chicks.
	And one of the hippie chicks is Tinkle Bell, who's a Dutch artist, and she recently had a...
	Due to, you know, none of these people want to continue to ruin the earth.
	And this is on plan.
	This is what it's supposed to be.
	Killing people by not having them.
	Killing off the population.
	Which I think is fantastic.
	I don't want any more air cold houses on the earth.
	Now what's interesting about all this is that, and the IPCC, this is the big climate gate guys.
	Whoops, there we go.
	Take it away.
	To the gate, to the gate, to the climate.
	So they've come out with their fifth edition of the report.
	But wait, that's not entirely true!
	No.
	They came out with an executive summary for policymakers on Friday, and all of the messaging, the report doesn't actually come out until next week, which is...
	John, if you and I had been advising them, we would have advised this.
	I have to say, brilliant.
	Because all the messaging is out there without anyone able to dive into the 2,000-page report, which...
	By the way, I have been reading, because of course I got the final draft.
	I have it in my possession.
	It is almost impossible to comprehend.
	And I'm going to go through some of it with you just to help you understand why the bigger the lie, the easier it is to fool everybody.
	It's incredible how this...
	Bucket of bullcrap is being translated into the messaging.
	Well, here's the IPCC itself.
	What?
	Can I interrupt you before?
	Yes.
	Just a little bit, because I hate to say this, but I opened up Eric Holthaus' Twitter feed.
	No, please.
	Sorry.
	No.
	But I just want to ask you the question.
	This could be an Ask Adam question.
	So, he makes a big deal in this Twitter feed about he's not flying anymore.
	Yes.
	So, if I'm scheduled to fly on a Pac-767 from San Francisco to New York, and I decide not to fly.
	You are saving the Earth, my friend.
	And someone else takes that seat.
	So, how much carbon am I really saving here?
	It depends.
	If you can hold your breath for the entire duration of the flight you would have been on, you're saving carbon.
	Yeah, it could be.
	Okay, well, I'm just wondering what the deal is.
	It doesn't make any sense to me.
	These flights go on with or without him, so they burn fuel with or without him.
	Yes, but it's a start.
	We have to start somewhere, John.
	If we don't all participate, this is another thing.
	Bottom line, he says, we can all make a difference.
	I'm just one person.
	The world is such a beautiful place.
	I can't help but doing everything I can.
	I am opting out.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, you're opting out.
	It's probably going to lower your carbon footprint.
	Here is the release of the IPCC report with El Dujbaglioz on stage giving you the talking points.
	This report confirms and you'll hear a lot more about it with even more certainty.
	Okay, now this is very interesting.
	Even more certainty.
	At no point anywhere in this report that I can find do they actually say fact.
	In fact, there's an entire scale, which we'll get into in a minute.
	So you'll hear words like likely, very likely, virtually certain, very certain, even more certain, but never fact-proof, that's it.
	extremely likely system for the past half a century are due to human influence and it should serve as yet another wake up call that our activities today by the way by the way it That is the line John Kerry used, another wake-up call, so the talking points are propagating.
	We'll have a profound impact on society, not only for us, but for many generations to come.
	Multiple lines of evidence confirm that the X-ray being trapped by the greenhouse gases is indeed warming the Earth's atmosphere, the Earth's surface, the oceans, raising sea levels, melting ice caps, glaciers.
	But we are also changing, and this is of particular concern to my organization, a change in weather patterns and extreme events such as heat waves, droughts, floods.
	Sounds exciting!
	This is very interesting.
	He says the WMO, which is the World Meteorological Organization, that's actually who puts the IPCC together with support from the United Nations.
	So it's really a bunch of weathermen.
	The Working Group 1 report provides new insight into the possible future occurrences of these events that we are now witnessing on a regular basis.
	Many of the extremes of the last decade were unprecedented and the report highlights which ones are likely to become even more frequent.
	The decade, 2001-2010, was the warmest on record, continuing the trend of global warming.
	More temperature records were broken than in any other previous decade.
	Now, this is all disputable, and I don't want to get into this, but we have Dr.
	or Easterbrook.
	We have all kinds of competing data on this, but we'll just let it go for now.
	Of course, and that is discussed in great detail in the report.
	The rate of increase would have been even higher if it was not for the relative cooling influence of Lania event and the role of deep ocean in absorbing the heat.
	This is kind of the fun thing about this report, is that in the report there is an admission that, yeah, well, yeah, it's been kind of on pause recently for like the past 15 years, but that is just normal variance, is how that is explained in the report.
	But that doesn't matter because the key words are global carbon budget and services.
	The report reflects how much our scientific knowledge has advanced since the previous report six years ago.
	Ah, you see, our science and everything's advanced.
	So the stuff we got wrong on the last report, it's better now because we have better computers.
	This is knowledge that can be used, that should be used, to produce actionable climate information and services to help society.
	And as many of you know, the United Nations system has embarked on a major initiative to develop climate services, which will help decision makers in all sectors affected by climate change.
	Okay.
	Climate services, John.
	Can you wait for it?
	For the climate services?
	It's going to be great.
	Unfortunately, it is almost every socio-economic sector to have available information to make informed decisions.
	This is the development of a global framework for climate services.
	And certainly, it's something which will help decision-making.
	Okay, so what he's talking about here, these climate services, is part of the global carbon budget.
	And what the IPCC report claims is that there's a budget.
	There's an amount of carbon, and that's CO2, life itself.
	That's what I'm exhaling right now while I'm talking to you.
	That can be spewed into the atmosphere, this dirty, nasty CO2, now only known as carbon.
	It's important.
	These are key things that are taking place here.
	And we have a 30-year budget.
	We've already used 10 of those 30 years, John.
	So what are we going to do?
	Well, this is new.
	Ah, ah.
	But let's analyze this.
	Let's analyze this.
	Let's say, hmm, okay...
	I've got to do it backwards.
	First, let's deal with the warming that isn't really warming, it's cooling.
	CBS makes a valiant effort to work on this problem as they talk about it.
	Another inconvenient truth has emerged on the way to the apocalypse.
	The new UN report on...
	I love that opening, by the way.
	Climate change is expected to blame man-made greenhouse gases more than ever for global warming.
	But there's a problem.
	The global atmosphere hasn't been warming lately.
	Since 1998, while the amount of greenhouse gases continue to rise, the air temperature hasn't.
	However the apparent pause in global warming is explained, it makes the task for the world's majority of climate scientists who urge urgent action now more difficult.
	For the skeptics, it's ammunition.
	Does this remove the sense of urgency?
	It has already.
	For Benny Peiser, who heads a climate policy think tank, the world doesn't need crippling cuts in fossil fuel use.
	Are you saying that the measures that are being proposed for the quite significant reduction in the production of greenhouse gases are unrealistic, unreachable, wrong?
	What do you say?
	They are unrealistic and unreachable.
	And whatever happens to the temperature, the climate change debate is about to heat up.
	Okay, so I thought that was interesting that CBS would actually help us a little bit by giving us some pieces of the truth.
	Now, the two documents have come out, and again, the full report, 2,000 pages, will not come out until sometime next week, which is a great way to mark it.
	We have the headline statements from the summary for policymakers, and then we have the summary for policymakers itself.
	That's a 36-page document.
	Both of these documents have been annotated, highlighted, marked up, and you can find them in the show notes at 552.nashownotes.com.
	Here is the, and I could go through tons of what's in this document, how they explain away the natural variance of the cooling, which you could all equally say natural variance of warming, but I guess it only works if it's cooling.
	But most importantly is the scale to which the IPCC report is grading things that will happen according to, well, what does it actually mean?
	The working group assessment considers new evidence of climate change based on, this is what the report is based on, many independent scientific analyses from observations of the climate system, paleoclimate archives, theoretical studies of climate paleoclimate archives, theoretical studies of climate processes, and simulations using climate models.
	So this is pretty much based on climate models on computer simulations, the same ones that we're not able to predict this warming that we're in.
	In fact, we're in a cooling, which is kind of what John and I buy into and, you know, And example, of course, they couldn't predict, and they relied on the commentary, which you like to harp on, which I think is wise, that the British children will never see snow again.
	Only in snow globes and on television.
	The degree of certainty in key findings in this assessment is based on the author team's evaluations of underlying scientific understanding and is expressed as qualitative level of confidence from very low to very high.
	Now, what this means to me, John, and correct me if I'm wrong, that this scientific report is assumptions and confidence So it's not like, here's proof.
	So it's more like taking one of those telephone poles.
	Yeah.
	Do you like it very much?
	Do you like it a little?
	Yeah.
	Do you're neutral?
	Do you like it a lot?
	Do you like it very much?
	So here are the...
	It goes from very low to very high, and when possible, probabilistically...
	With a quantified likelihood from exceptionally unlikely to virtually certain.
	Confidence in the validity of a finding is based on the type, the amount, the quality, and consistency of evidence.
	And then they talk about the degree of agreement.
	So this is the consensus of the scientists is measured in something they call the degree of agreement.
	And there's a footnote.
	In this summary for policymakers, the following summary terms are used to describe the available evidence, limited, medium, or robust, and for the degree of agreement, low, medium, or high.
	A level of confidence is expressed using five qualifiers, very low, low, medium, high, very high, and typeset in italics, e.g., medium confidence.
	For a given evidence and agreement statement, different confidence levels can be assigned, but increasing levels of evidence and degrees of agreement are correlated.
	So now they're going to break it down into numbers, and this is where this 95% comes from.
	This is what I'm getting to.
	Unlikely is 0 to 33%.
	Very likely, very unlikely, is like 0-10%.
	But when it is extremely likely, it's 95-100%.
	So when you see or hear the headline, the scientists, the meteorologists who have consensus on this report, they are highly confident that it is very likely...
	That global warming is caused, climate change is caused by man, that 95% number is not actually in the report that is extrapolated from the quote, extremely likely.
	So, first of all, when someone says 95%, you know, it's not in the report.
	The number 95% is not in the report.
	It is extremely likely, is what they said.
	Not 95% of all scientists agree.
	No, extremely likely.
	But here is Connie Hedegaard, the European Commissioner for Climate, and she's going to take this 95% to a whole new level.
	Planet Earth got its diagnosis by the scientific community.
	And I would make this parallel.
	If you as a person got a diagnosis from doctors who said that with 95% certainty you are having a very dangerous disease, would you then do nothing or would you seek a cure?
	I think the message we have gotten from science today is it's more important than ever to seek the cure.
	And that's of course also why in the European Union we are now trying to define our targets for the next period, the period up to 2030.
	This woman should be tar and feathered and rolled in mud.
	How can you take what is in this report and say that?
	She's nuts.
	The planet got its...
	It's got a disease and now we've got to get a cure.
	Alright, so the report is marked up.
	There's just tons and tons of...
	And it's not even the report.
	It's the talking points.
	It's for policy makers.
	They literally explain away this warming period into just some normal variation.
	It happens.
	We have better climate models now.
	Please don't look over here.
	Look over there.
	Natural anthropogenic man-made substances and processes that alter the Earth's energy budget.
	This is a new one.
	The Earth's energy budget are drivers of climate change.
	So we have the energy budget, John, and the climate budget.
	This is all being put in there to bring it down to a dumb level.
	So you can look at your pocketbook and like, oh, I've got a $10 budget for today, so I kind of understand the concept of budget.
	Now, while this is going on, this ludicrous stuff, and of course, all these people are in on it when you get this weatherman, I'm not going to fly anymore, I'm not going to have children, great, fine.
	I had dinner, what was it, was it Thursday night?
	No, Friday night, with Eric Groton.
	And his wife.
	Now, we've had dinner with them before, and we kind of met them somewhere at some event here in Austin almost like two years ago.
	And they were kind of interesting people, and they had an interesting story, and so we had dinner once.
	But I remember this guy was doing, I couldn't quite remember what he was doing, but he's a lawyer, and he's an environmental lawyer.
	But not the kind you'd expect.
	In fact, he probably should not talk too much about what he does within the city limits of Austin.
	Because he is suing the EPA, and we're very hopeful that his case will come before the Supreme Court.
	That announcement will come tomorrow or Tuesday.
	And I have gotten such an education from him on what is really taking place behind the scenes while this report is going to be the headline.
	The lawsuit is...
	Let's see.
	He's actually...
	He was representing the...
	What was it?
	The Coalition for Responsible Regulation, Inc.
	But they ran out of money, he said.
	But he's just doing it on his own dime now because he thinks it's so important versus the EPA. And it is a simple question.
	And this, of course, is all about the Clean Air Act because what is taking place right now is the Environmental Protection Agency has...
	Huge power by being able to regulate life itself.
	Carbon dioxide.
	So remember when we talked on Thursday about Bill Gates, we have to get carbon dioxide down to zero.
	That would basically mean that we're not exhaling, that we're all dead.
	Right?
	Yes, indeed.
	So the Environmental Protection Agency is allowed to make laws to regulate, you know, sure, it's cars, then it's factories, but eventually, at what point does it come down to, well, Dvorak, you are about 30 pounds overweight, you're breathing too heavily?
	Do you think that could happen, John, or am I just off on that?
	Well, I think they're eventually going to.
	I would be stunned if at some point they didn't start charging you airfares based on your weight, which always made more sense to me.
	That makes a lot of sense.
	But whether they're going to start, I think I'm down on the list here, whether they start pulling that stunt.
	So there was a very important case, which was Massachusetts versus the EPA, I think in 2007, which we missed totally, of course.
	And in that case, the EPA was ruled in their favor, and the Supreme Court ruled that carbon dioxide is a poisonous gas deadly to human life.
	Which is weird.
	But, you know, okay, so that happened, that, you know, that is now the case, and you take the Clean Air Act, which was, well, it's from like 63, but in 1970 it was reinvigorated, and it was Nixon, I think, who passed that, right?
	Nixon was president.
	He signed it into law.
	And section 202 of that is specifically about the amount of emissions that automobiles can have, which has, without a doubt, affected industry and economics in America due to what cars can emit.
	Correct?
	Yeah, there was a lot of...
	The cars were basically polluters.
	Sure they were.
	But the question is, and this is the question presented that hopefully will come before the Supreme Court, and I'm quoting from the document here, whether the Clean Air Act and this court's decision in Massachusetts versus EPA prohibit the Environmental Protection Agency from considering whether regulations whether the Clean Air Act and this court's decision in Massachusetts versus EPA prohibit the Environmental Protection Agency from considering whether regulations addressing greenhouse gases under Section 202 of the Act
	In other words, if the Environmental Protection Agency says, Dvorak, you have to pay more because you're too heavy to fly and it's too much carbon you're using, Does the EPA have to be able to prove that it actually is going to help or damage life in general or the citizens based upon what the regulations are putting out there?
	Well, that was a complex thing to try to figure out.
	But it's really interesting.
	Well, maybe.
	If you could explain it a little better.
	Okay.
	In other words...
	Here, I got it here.
	Here's all I want to know.
	What happened in Massachusetts?
	In Massachusetts versus the EPA, it was determined that carbon dioxide is deadly.
	It's a poisonous gas.
	It is an evil, evil, evil gas.
	And so, okay.
	And so the question is, does a department like the environmental...
	Let me ask this question.
	Okay, I'm getting it.
	Let me ask this question.
	I would say I wonder, especially about the attorney you're talking about.
	Mm-hmm.
	It seems to me that if he's taking this case on pro bono, it belies the common, I'd say perhaps misconception or commonplace, that the oil industry's behind all of this.
	Why doesn't the oil industry pony up his fees?
	Well, it's funny because I said, why doesn't the nuclear energy, the nuclear, why doesn't the nuclear guys pony up the trees?
	Either one.
	And he said, no, no, no, they're all on board.
	They want carbon to be evil because they have no carbon emission.
	He says the nuclear guys, they love it.
	Oh, yeah, the nuclear guys, right, right, right.
	That makes sense.
	No, they love it.
	Not so much the oil guys.
	No, so I think he's just a bad sales guy.
	I'm sure it was an oil company that was paying or some collection.
	And I think there's nine other similar lawsuits, but his seems to be the most concise.
	And they ran out of money like, I don't know, six months ago or whatever.
	So he's just, I just got to finish this.
	But what I like about it is the question, to try and simplify it, can the government make a rule without knowing if it's actually going to have a positive effect?
	Because that's what's happening.
	I'm sure they can.
	Well?
	Really?
	I think half the laws that are passed, they have an accident-prone corner, so they put up a red light, put up some traffic seals.
	I think it's different.
	If you have an accident-prone corner, then you've had accidents take place there.
	We haven't actually died from global warming yet.
	The tidal wave hasn't actually hit us yet.
	I have not burned to a crisp yet.
	No, but Superstorm Sandy has ravaged the place, and Katrina has ravaged the place.
	No, the problem is...
	There's evidence all around us.
	You're just blind to it.
	But even the report...
	Global warming is killing us.
	Here's the point.
	The report from the Meteorological Society, from the same guy who predicts the weather for you on television, think about that, they won't even say fact 100%.
	They won't even say that.
	Very likely, extremely probable, pretty much lots of confidence.
	Come on!
	Will someone please just say that the emperor has no clothes?
	Well, I think people have been trying to say that, but nobody's...
	For some reason, the agenda is such that that is not acceptable.
	Anyway...
	I'm not absolutely sure.
	I'm actually somewhat baffled by the way this debate has gone since its inception.
	I mean...
	Well, it's because no one actually wants to stand up and say, yeah, totally, I'm all in.
	Where is that guy from the report that comes along and says, I was the guy that said 100% certainly sure...
	James Hansen.
	Who's that?
	James Hansen's the guy who invented this whole thing.
	James Hansen?
	Why does this name not ring no bells?
	It should be ringing a bell because we talk to him every one, or talk to him, we talk about him every so often.
	He's the NASA guy who dreamed up the entire global warming thing.
	He's the one with the first evidence.
	He's patient zero.
	Yeah, that's a fact.
	And he's the guy who does do what you just said.
	He has said this.
	He's the chicken little.
	He's the one who's really gotten everybody all worked up.
	And he's been very effective at it.
	Well, why isn't he out there right now?
	I don't see him on the TV. He's got the thing going on.
	He doesn't need to do anything.
	In fact, I have a clip about him.
	Oh, good.
	Where's my clip list?
	Where's the clip list?
	Here it is.
	Let's see what it is.
	The sketchy letter to Ecuador.
	This is where James Hansen's ended up.
	He's now become a big shot and he's hanging out with these other...
	Play this clip.
	You'll see what I'm talking about.
	Well, environmentalists Vandana Shiva, Naomi Klein, the scientist James Hansen, and others recently wrote an open letter to President Correa asking him to not forsake the initiative.
	The letter We're good to go.
	Accordingly, we're extremely concerned it reports that your government is attempting to repress the voices of the majority of Ecuadorans who continue to support the SUNY proposal.
	We understand that efforts are underway to block a public referendum on the question, that press freedom is being curtailed, and that students exercising their right of dissent are being threatened with expulsion from their schools.
	That's what the letter to President Correa read.
	I asked Ecuador's foreign minister, Ricardo Patino, to respond to the letter.
	So Hanson has moved on to these other things.
	He's now hanging out with Naomi Klein.
	Big shot.
	Big shot.
	And so now they're making a stink because Ecuador's decided, and this is kind of on topic, Ecuador's decided that, look, it turns out we've got a bunch of oil under a couple of our state parks, essentially, and we're going to drill it out because we have it set up so we have a national...
	A oil company that will give the money, put the money back into the public coffers.
	They haven't quite sold out completely to the economic hitmen, although this is going to happen eventually, but this is kind of a step in the right direction for the economic hitmen.
	But whatever the case is, Ecuador, and the answer was, look, we've got this oil.
	We're a poor country.
	We need the money.
	That's it.
	There's no more to it.
	We're not going to put up with this.
	We made the offer.
	This is a part of an offer that Ecuador said to the world.
	We won't drill into this little park of ours, which is an Amazonian park with 100,000 species of life and lots of plants.
	We won't do it if you guys give us the money we would have been making.
	And they got nothing.
	Nobody gave them a nickel.
	They got like $2 million out of the $5 billion they needed.
	So they said, screw you.
	Did that run through the Clinton Foundation?
	Is that how that was set up?
	Maybe.
	So they said, screw it.
	We're going to drill, and we're going to take the money and run.
	And we're not going to wreck the park.
	It's going to be all angled stuff, and hopefully none of it will splurt out, which, of course, always does happen.
	But maybe not.
	I mean, there's plenty of clean wells around the world.
	It's not like there's millions of wells and not that many are spewing out goo.
	Whatever the case is, so Hanson, Naomi Klein, and a bunch of other do-gooders are trying to tell people how to run their lives.
	And it's like they said, no, we're not going to do it.
	And so what's her name?
	Amy goes down to Ecuador and meets the guy in New York at the...
	And the guy just says, no, we made the offer and nobody ponied up.
	What are we supposed to do?
	Right.
	This is the old strategy.
	The new strategy is the earth is sick.
	If you were sick, would you do something about it?
	The new strategy is the budget.
	We have our carbon budget.
	This is to dumb it down so stupid slaves and human resources can understand.
	You have a budget.
	You're one-third through the budget.
	How old are you?
	You're 20, so by the time you're 60, you're going to be dead.
	And your kids will be 20 and dead.
	So this is the budget you have, and what we need to do is we need to price, price carbon.
	And once the pricing, we already know, what was the IMF, what did they set it at?
	Like 27 bucks per ton?
	Yeah, or something.
	Yeah, something like that.
	Something where someone can make money.
	Let's don't get over this fact that cap and trade is all part of the scam to create an exchange so Al Gore can make money on transaction fees.
	This is bull crap.
	It's so obvious because it's a money scam.
	It's a money grab.
	If you look at the Independent who analyzed the report, their headline I liked, the financial markets are the only hope in the race to stop global warming.
	Yeah, that's exactly the point.
	This is a great article, by the way.
	The financial markets are humanity's only hope in the battle against global warming, the world's top climate expert declared.
	That's Pachauri.
	Yeah, he's probably in on one of these scams.
	We know he's in on the scam.
	We've already seen his other companies and all that other crap.
	So, the no agenda thesis, I'll speak on behalf of John.
	He can interrupt me, if he so wishes.
	Climate change, definitely happening.
	Global warming, clearly not happening.
	Global cooling, clearly happening.
	Been warned about since the 70s.
	This is to kill people.
	Everyone will be ready for, ooh, it's going to be so hot.
	We're going to get air conditioners and fur, all kinds of...
	We'll get Speedos and Crocs.
	When you really need heaters...
	And fur coats.
	And you need to be ready for the global cooling.
	So the end result will be exactly what is desired, is the culling of stupid people.
	Let's read another tweet from Eric Holthaus.
	Yes, please.
	Wait a minute.
	Here's another tweet from Eric Holthaus.
	Things scientists are less sure of than climate change.
	One, cigarettes kill.
	Two, vitamins are healthy.
	And three, the age of the universe.
	Those are three things that scientists are less sure of than climate change.
	Another tweet from Eric Holthaus.
	Yeah, so be prepared for the onslaught The onslaught of how you are denying science, how you are stupid.
	What do you think, John?
	Do you think they can pull it off this time?
	Because I think this is kind of the last shot they have at this.
	They don't have a lot of time left because things are starting to turn around because of the sun.
	They've negated any possibility.
	Although the sun has been changing the weather on a 22-year pattern forever.
	That's actually in the report.
	They say part of the reason why it hasn't been warming up as much is because of the 11-year solar cycle.
	Right.
	Like, yeah, the sun is kind of the thing that keeps the Earth warm, or not.
	It's just nuts.
	And of course, there will be even more initiatives and push to call people out as deniers.
	This will be a big deal.
	This is getting a little old.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I mean, you know, I'm going to have a dinner pretty soon, and I'm going to be sitting there, and I'm going to say, look, I'm, well, I'm actually going to ask the professor.
	I'm going to say, when you have a report, do you always report stuff like, likely, kinda, maybe?
	Yeah, you should, you should.
	Yeah, very likely, high confidence, or do you say, fact?
	Let me read another tweet.
	From Eric Holthaus?
	Yes.
	Oh, very nice.
	Hold on a second.
	Another tweet from Eric Holthaus.
	One long-haul flight equals switching from a Camry to a Prius.
	One long-haul flight equals eating vegan for a year.
	Wow!
	Another tweet from Eric Holthaus.
	Really?
	How does he calculate that?
	He's got computers.
	Oh, okay.
	So, two things.
	One, if Eric's case comes before the Supreme Court, he'll let me carry his briefcase?
	Oh, you're going to go to...
	No.
	Oh, yeah.
	He says I can come along.
	You can come along and carry the briefcase and watch all these people yak.
	How awesome would that be?
	It would be very awesome.
	It would be number one awesome.
	Yeah, to be in the Supreme Court.
	That's pretty cool.
	As an associate.
	And one of the justices is going to say, Hey, isn't that Adam Curry from MTV? Oh yeah, that would be pretty bad.
	And you know it would be Ginsburg.
	It would be Ginsburg.
	Ginsburg.
	Kiki.
	Kiki Ginsburg.
	That's her nickname.
	While I was researching some stuff, I fell into something interesting because we have all these light bulbs and this new energy-saving carbon to save the earth sickness expensive light bulbs.
	How long does a light bulb last?
	What are these newfangled things?
	How long are they supposed to last?
	What, the LEDs?
	Not the LEDs.
	No, the ones that we were all forced to buy.
	Oh, those fluorescent things?
	I'll tell you something.
	I think they're a scam.
	Okay, yeah.
	I'll tell you why.
	They do blow out before they're supposed to.
	They get dimmed.
	They have to be warmed up a certain way when you first get them, even though supposedly the new ones don't need that.
	My experience is they all need it.
	And if you light one of them up, especially when they're older, you can see it.
	You can actually look at it.
	And then about a half an hour later, it's really bright.
	Have you ever heard of the Livermore light bulb?
	The Livermore light bulb.
	Oh, that's it.
	Yes, the Livermore light bulb is, I believe, one of Thomas Edison's light bulbs from the 1800s or the early 1900s that has been burning forever at a firehouse in Livermore.
	Yes, Livermore, California.
	The bulb has been burning for, I think, 110 years, nonstop.
	And if you research the Livermore lightbulb, and how is it possible, you will quickly discover the Phoebus cartel.
	P-H-O-E-B-U-S, the Phoebus cartel.
	And these were the, it was like Philips and Osram and all the light bulb companies got together and said, here's an idea.
	Why don't we make it so that light bulbs will never last longer than 3,000 hours?
	And then they had another meeting and they said, crap, let's make it 1,000 hours because 3,000 hours is too long.
	And they built in what is now, of course, used very successfully, and I'm not against this, by the way, for a number of reasons, planned obsolescence.
	And you can engineer a light bulb that will work for 100 years.
	Yes, you can.
	In fact, I have bulbs that have lasted forever, and they were always specialty bulbs.
	They cost a lot of money, but they last and last and last.
	Now, with the LEDs coming out, we do have the opportunity to actually end this whole planned obsolescence thing because an LED will use less energy at some point.
	They're still at the crossover point right now.
	Less energy than any fluorescent bulb and lasts for 25 years.
	And they give a nice light.
	The problem, of course, is that the idea of planned obsolescence, I think, actually runs a lot of our economy.
	This is why iPhones fall apart.
	This is why cars fall apart.
	Well, here's the deal.
	The problem with the light bulb planned obsolescence in today's world is now the incandescent bulbs, even though they're trying to ban them, they really can't do it.
	But you can get them for $0.25, so it's not like it's going to do that much.
	You know, you exchange a few bulbs.
	But you take a $500 or $600 product like an iPhone and the thing lasts one year.
	JC's, for example, the little on-off button doesn't work.
	Oh, yeah.
	The home button breaks.
	The home button just doesn't work.
	And the iPhone users, they buy a new phone every year or two, probably about once every two years.
	And this is a big ticket item and they sell them by the millions.
	I think the idea is sound, but it doesn't work with the light bulb anymore.
	So they're bailing on the light bulb because it's just a two-bit item.
	And they're making you buy expensive LEDs, which are not cheap.
	And then they just gave up on that market and moved on to some more...
	Well, that was a hundred-year-old idea.
	We've got to move on to something else.
	But what's interesting, and there's a movie called The Lightbulb Conspiracy.
	I'll put it in the show notes.
	It's like an hour-long documentary, and they talk about this.
	But I think this plan, which there was a guy at one point at the turn of the century who wanted to present this as the...
	Actually, it was the recession, the depression, the Great Depression.
	In order to get America out, his idea was essentially planned obsolescence, which I think we have slipped into more not because the government has pushed it on us or on manufacturing, but because manufacturing has figured out, hey, which I think we have slipped into more not because the government has pushed it on us or on manufacturing, but because manufacturing has figured out, hey, or it's easy to trick these stupid slaves into buying stuff by making television Right, the television thing is completely in this endeavor.
	By bullying people.
	You're essentially being bullied into it.
	Yeah, especially the phones.
	Yeah, but...
	If that went away, if we made products that lasted forever, you would have to kill off half the population.
	Because we wouldn't have this continuous workforce making new crap.
	What's interesting to me is that solid state stuff, I always thought when it first started to appear...
	That it was going to...
	Because the olden days, when I was a little kid, they used to...
	Television sets were tubes.
	My dad would take the tubes out, put them in a bag, and go to some tube testing place.
	It was a series of tubes.
	It was a whole bunch of tubes.
	And you take them, put them in a bag, go to a tube testing place.
	Oh, one of the tubes was no good.
	You had to buy a tube.
	Tube.
	And this happened on a couple-month basis because you're watching these TVs all the time.
	Yeah, you blew a tube.
	You get tubes, you get new tubes.
	So you get these tubes.
	So then Solid State came around, and Solid State had no filaments.
	It wasn't going to blow up like a tube.
	And you'd think things were going to last.
	But now it turns out that very few things last for more, and it's always about the same.
	And here's the story I have.
	So my M-Audio device blew up after about five years of use, the one I was using.
	I have a new one now.
	And it blew up while I was doing a DHL. Now, when you say blew up, was this like an actual explosion?
	No, no, no.
	Was there a flash of bang and smoke?
	It just stopped working.
	Okay, so it just stopped working.
	Right.
	So I had this situation with Comcast, which we discussed in the last show.
	And so I ended up, and I don't know why I didn't do this years ago, which is buy your own modem and you save five bucks or seven bucks a month and the fees they charge you.
	So I got myself a nice Motorola.
	Wait a minute.
	Are you on the Comcast connection today?
	No, no.
	We're going to test that after the show.
	I was going to say.
	I'm not going to just start doing it.
	No, you sound dynamite.
	Okay, good.
	Unreal.
	No, this is DSL. But we will test it after the show.
	So I got a new DOCSIS modem, DOCSIS 3 modem from Motorola, and I put it online because the tech guy who came over said, I don't know why you're leasing this modem.
	You should own your own.
	No, no, no.
	First he said, man, I read all your DOS books.
	No, he didn't.
	But he didn't know where it was.
	So he, because he asked what I did, I stole my variety.
	He'd go, whoa!
	Did you say, I do a podcast?
	I'm a podcaster.
	Yeah, whatever.
	He said that the Ares modems, the typical ones that you get from Comcast, They go out every five years.
	Right on cue.
	Yeah, there's no reason for them to blow up.
	They're low power, solid state, they run off of USB power, they got nothing going on, it's not like high voltage, and they're blowing up every five years?
	Why?
	Planned obsolescence.
	Apparently.
	In fact, this show will self-destruct.
	Well, Will, if we don't thank some producers.
	Ah, yes, exactly.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	In the morning.
	We do have some producers to thank.
	Lincoln Millwood, too.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	He was one of our executive producers.
	Timo Zuidema.
	Zuidema.
	Very good.
	Zaudema in Amstelvain, Holland, 10101.
	We have him down for a birthday shout-out.
	For his wife, yep.
	And for the anniversary.
	Trent Drake, $100 in Subiaca, Western Australia, a place I never knew.
	He does have a note I should read.
	Carl Drake from FEMA region down under would like to de-douche our dad, Warren, on his 63rd birthday.
	It doesn't take much to bring him on board, but our mother, Yvonne, will still need a few more good punches in the mouth.
	You've been de-douched.
	We do not encourage punching moms in the mouth on the No Agenda show.
	I always wonder why, you know, you listen to this show, I don't think we're unreasonable.
	Maybe we're a little too entertaining.
	But I don't understand why people reject...
	Well, we're saying it's not that we're making this stuff up.
	No, it's the programming.
	You know how on Windows, sometimes you want to get out of something, you do Control-Alt-Delete, and you have to hold it down the whole time?
	Yeah, I guess.
	Yeah, it's the...
	You know, someone...
	It's funny.
	Let me just find this email and then we can get back to the thank yous.
	The concept was, let me just see, that we are consistently under ELF programming.
	Think about it.
	But you can disconnect.
	And what happens when people go nuts is because there's a little blip in the system.
	Kind of like your modem doesn't work for a moment there or whatever.
	But once you're out, once you have trained yourself to opt out, like I have opted out, Once you're there, then you can stay out.
	But go ahead and sit down in front of the television and you'll see what happens.
	You've seen it happen, John.
	You actually had this experience yourself.
	Read your own newsletter.
	I guess so.
	Adrian Taylor, $100 from Hastings East Sussex.
	He calls us the Chuckle Brothers.
	It was kind of an interesting note.
	Baron Jeffrey Gurlick.
	Baron Jeffrey Gerlach, 69.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	I'm not paying you.
	Hello, Jingle Man.
	69!
	69, dude!
	Okay.
	You did not just call me the Jingle Man?
	Lincoln?
	No, I didn't.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	You must have misheard the programming from the device.
	This thing is great.
	It's fabulous.
	Okay.
	Michael Yeo.
	Yeo.
	Yeo.
	No, it's not Yeo.
	Winnipeg, Manitoba, 69-69.
	He, by the way, I'm going to put this, I'm going to read this out.
	He's calling out Steve as a douchebag.
	Douchebag!
	Because he's been listening longer than I and has not donated.
	Steve, wherever you are.
	Steve.
	Yo, yo.
	Yes, Michael, yo.
	John Tirada.
	I think he's a knight.
	Pasadena, California.
	Sir John, is that right?
	The internet's broke.
	I had trouble connecting to PayPal from your website last week.
	Well, the internet is broken.
	That's because of the background connection.
	Liam Forbes, Fairbanks, Alaska.
	Ken O'Rourke.
	Oops, and that was the end of our 60s.
	Whoa!
	69!
	69, dude!
	Whoa!
	Okay, it's about gone.
	This thing is over.
	Ken O'Rourke has a 6666, and these following people are all 6666 donors to help us celebrate with a sack of sixes our anniversary coming up in a few weeks.
	That's...
	I'm sorry, I'll start with Kent O'Rourke, then Sergio Wagner, Rolf Lehrman, or Lehman, Lehman, Lehman, as in Lehman Brothers, David Zinn, Chicago, Illinois, Lehman is in Switzerland.
	Layman, let's read his note here.
	I think it's time to pull up a new black chair to the round table.
	I made it to knighthood.
	You guys missed it.
	Black Knight Swiss Senna will be sitting on the ever-growing table of the distinguished ladies and gentlemen looking forward to the hookers and blow.
	Yeah, he's on the list.
	Yeah.
	All right, so we're knighting him today.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Good.
	David Zinn in Chicago, Illinois, with a birthday shout-out.
	We have it on the list.
	Sam Harrelson in Columbia, South Carolina.
	Brian Curry, apparently a relative of yours, in Connell, B.C. That's right.
	And I like saying Connell.
	Mark Heimerman in Appleton, Wisconsin, another birthday boy.
	Kevin Thomas in Smyrna, Georgia.
	Love the name of that town.
	Michael Caney in Raleigh, North Carolina.
	Charles Feitenheimer in Tucson, Arizona.
	Israel Cazares in Houston, Texas.
	I love how everyone's using the sack of sixes meme in these notes.
	That's really cool.
	Yeah, and there goes the spreadsheet.
	Who did I just say?
	Israel Cazares in Houston, Texas, which is not right up the road from me.
	It is if you drive long enough.
	But I'd like to read his note.
	Okay.
	Please receive this humble contribution from a blind man who desperately needs a job.
	I was going to wait till my birthday to donate to the best podcast in the universe, but two weeks or so was too long to wait.
	Have this sack of sixes and expect more.
	Keep up the great work and know that everywhere I go I hit people in the mouth.
	Oh, and know that everywhere I go I hit people in the mouth.
	I guess that's his dictation stuff or whatever.
	Give him a karma.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	You've got karma.
	Thank you very much.
	Sir Pat Derry in Sarnia, Ontario wants karma, and we have to give him karma because he's a knight.
	Absolutely.
	You've got karma.
	Ellis Garling Jewelry, if I'm not mistaken, is a knight in Sunnyside, New York.
	Elise Garling.
	Elise.
	What did I say?
	Ellis?
	Yeah.
	Elise is our...
	Elise.
	Elise is our Lumoncello babe.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	The lemon shell is delicious, by the way.
	Sunnyside, New York.
	She wants to give karma to Eric the shill.
	Yeah.
	He can suck off the karma at the end.
	Andrew Kirby in Covington, Louisiana.
	I'm sure he'll appreciate that.
	Necheyev Anatoly in Russia, which is in some town I can't pronounce ever.
	It's...
	Yeah.
	That's drove you.
	Joachim Formalas in Zurich, Switzerland.
	Probably Joachim.
	Joachim.
	Davis...
	Travis Dillman in...
	That's the end of our 66-66s, by the way.
	Long one.
	Travis Dillman, $60 in Red Deer, Alberta.
	Red Deer!
	That's cool.
	I got a visit, Red Deer, Alberta.
	Eric Ortner, 5555, Sioux Center, Iowa.
	Eric Ortner, that's a celebrity.
	Eric Ortner's a celebrity in Sioux Center, Iowa?
	Eric Ortner is...
	Isn't he an actor?
	He might be, but I can't imagine him living in Sioux Center, Iowa.
	Eric Ortner.
	Oh, hold on a second.
	No, Eric Ortner.
	This is how I know about him.
	Here, IMDB. I think he's an ABC executive producer for 2020.
	Yeah.
	And the early show and Good Morning America.
	He probably has an apartment in New York, I would guess.
	Yeah, you'd think.
	Okay, well, hello, Eric, whether you're famous or not.
	All right, thank you.
	James Howard, you're famous to us.
	Double nickels on the dime from James Howard, Indianapolis, Indiana.
	Jacqueline Champlin, who's got a birthday coming up.
	Double nickels on the dime from Santa Ana.
	Eric...
	Hochul in Berlin, Deutschland.
	$52 and all these rest.
	We had two $50 donors.
	Wayne Reichert in Tilson, New York.
	And parts unknown, our friend Peter Totes.
	Sir, if I'm not mistaken.
	And I'd like to revisit Jacqueline Champlin's email.
	Thanks to you.
	My husband punched me in the mouth.
	By the way, we've never actually advocated the punching of people in the mouth.
	It is go out, propagate the formula.
	We hit people in the mouth.
	But, okay.
	My husband punched me in the mouth.
	I wanted to...
	It sounds great.
	What is this show?
	Can you imagine somebody picking this stuff up, finding these old spreads?
	These people are advocating violence.
	Violence?
	I can't believe it.
	That's locked them up.
	They were really violent back in the 2000s.
	Thanks to you, my husband.
	Punched me in the mouth.
	Wanted to give him a birthday shout-out.
	I'd love it if Adam could read this in his smooth Delilah casting voice.
	And read it.
	It says, I love you more than words can say.
	Let's hit it.
	All right.
	I was getting ready for it.
	I love you more than words can say, Brandon Champlin.
	You're the crackpot to my buzzkill.
	Happy birthday.
	You know what I'll do to you later.
	I think her voice is better.
	I haven't even heard it.
	Quite possibly.
	All right.
	Well, that would be our donors for show, contributors for show 552.
	We want to thank each and every one of them and people who have sent in lesser amounts.
	It helps.
	Every penny helps a lot.
	It does.
	And we want to remind you we've got show 553 coming up this Thursday with probably a lot of good stuff because that's all that we're getting.
	Things are picking up.
	Yeah, they are picking up.
	And once again, ELF transmission commencing now.
	Dvorak.org slash NA. All right, group by date today, we say happy birthday to Timothy Dickman, our executive producer of the show.
	Jacqueline Champlin says happy birthday to her husband, Brandon.
	He turns 33 today.
	Tomorrow, Sir David Cost will be congratulating and celebrating.
	Timo Zaudema says happy birthday to his wife.
	She's celebrating tomorrow.
	Camille Hansen wants to say happy birthday to her boyfriend, Frederick Enga, and you know what else he's getting.
	Along with Mark Heimerman, who congratulates his son, Luke, all of them celebrating their birthdays tomorrow.
	On the list as well, Stephen Cogswell.
	Happy birthday to you on Tuesday.
	And Trent Drake and Carl Drake say happy birthday to their dad, Warren, turning 63.
	David Zinn is also congratulating his imminent human resource, Oliver Zinn, on, I guess, his first day here on planet Earth.
	Which is sick, by the way, say 95% of all scientists.
	Happy birthday, everybody!
	It's your birthday, yeah!
	And we have two knightings here.
	Let me...
	wow really and there's the other one thank you Timothy Dickman Rolf Lehman step forward gentlemen both of you have contributed to the No Agenda podcast the amount of $1,000 or more we highly appreciate these contributions and therefore are welcoming both of you to the round table and pronounce the Sir Green Knight Timothy Dickman and Sir Black Knight Rolf Lehman
	both of you are welcome as Knights of the No Agenda round table for you hookers and blow geishas and a bucket of fried chicken rent boys and chardonnay hot pants and booze wenches and beer rubinette's lemon and rosé bong hits and bourbon spark and cider and escorts and mutton and mead all here at the table We're still handing out rings, even though we thought we'd be at pins, but we're still on rings because it's been kind of slow.
	And we ordered some more rings.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, that's what happens.
	Well, you're in charge of all that.
	I don't roll on the reins.
	Part of the peerage, you know.
	Oh.
	A little bullying action for you today, John?
	Well, first, I would like to read one last tweet.
	Oh, wait.
	One second.
	Hold on a second.
	Another tweet from Eric Holthaus.
	This is a retweet.
	Oh.
	Whoa.
	Which is prefaced by fully agree.
	And the tweet is, All evidence points to current economy as dependent on destruction of the planet.
	Another tweet from Eric Holtheis.
	That's right.
	In fact, this podcast can only be successful if we destroy the planet.
	Yes, exactly.
	Give me a toot on that thing.
	Brand new, John, brand new to the table on our bullying, sibling bullying. .
	Oh, well, that's common.
	I saw some kid beating up his little brother the other day.
	It has to be addressed now.
	Sibling bullying is...
	I think they should arrest the parents and put the kids in foster care.
	Well, let's see.
	That's great.
	Sibling bullying is a type of violence that is prevalent in the lives of most children, but little is known about it.
	Yes, Robin Kowalski has done an entire report...
	No, little is known about it.
	We have not done a report on it.
	But Robin Kowalski has.
	And she says the phenomenon has long been overlooked.
	75% of participants in the study reported being bullied by a sibling.
	85% reported bullying as a sibling.
	My goodness, this has to stop.
	I agree.
	I think we need to arrest the parents.
	Did you bully a willow?
	No, Tiffany.
	I really bullied her.
	Tiffany?
	Yeah.
	She's the one who doesn't donate to the show and now you know why.
	I really bullied her.
	Actually, I bullied them both.
	But only once.
	And for a year.
	And then that ended.
	Actually, I wasn't bullying.
	I was blackmailing them.
	You want to hear?
	Yeah, I think this is a story.
	Everyone is well worth...
	Okay, so there was a store in the town that we lived in called the Porcelain Closet, and they sold porcelain flatware.
	Porcelain flatware?
	No, not flatware, but like dishes and stuff.
	Oh, yeah, plates.
	Plates, yeah.
	And so for my mom's birthday, Tiffany and Willow had stolen some plates from the porcelain...
	Oh, no.
	And they had given those plates to my mom for her birthday.
	And somehow I'd found out about it.
	And I decided I was going to use this to my advantage.
	And all I had to do was...
	How old were you?
	Um...
	Fourteen, thirteen, fourteen.
	Thirteen, okay.
	The kids, how old are the sister?
	Nine and eleven at the time.
	And they managed to steal?
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, God.
	Well, it was an easy steal.
	I found out about it.
	I don't know.
	It was an easy one.
	I think I was probably casing the joint and went, ah, it's easy to steal stuff here.
	And then I found out they had already done it.
	But I was curious, because I'm like, how did you guys get the money for these plates?
	So for a, I kid you not, for a year, whenever I wanted something, or wanted my own way, or would I just look at them, I'd go like, and I'd whisper, plates.
	In Dutch, actually, which was border.
	I'd just say border, border, plates.
	And for a year, until finally they couldn't stand it anymore, and they went to my mom and said, look, we stole these plates, but Adam's been blackmailing us for a year.
	And let me say, that was the end of my blackmailing career.
	So the place eventually got paid for then.
	Oh yeah, they got paid for.
	And I never, ever, ever blackmailed anyone again.
	Well, that's the good news.
	So it all worked out.
	But nowadays, you probably have been thrown in jail.
	My parents would have been thrown in jail.
	For being a bully, yeah.
	And your parents have been thrown in jail for receiving stolen goods.
	But we now have several initiatives.
	Calling All Parents is CAP is the latest one.
	They have a whole website.
	There's all kinds of cool stuff.
	And here is their public service announcement, which I wanted to share with you.
	...limited to just the schoolyard.
	You're such a loser.
	You know how stupid you are.
	You're a total freak.
	...or the classroom.
	Everyone hates you, even the teachers.
	You're not invited to sit somewhere else.
	It follows your kids everywhere.
	He eats his lunch out of the garbage.
	Gross!
	And it never takes a break.
	People just pretend to like you.
	I've heard he doesn't shower.
	Now, the things you're hearing here in this really poorly produced PSA, I've heard all of these things when I was in school.
	Yeah, of course.
	Everybody has.
	Anybody normal.
	Yeah, it's like, you know, they only pretend they like you.
	Oh, I hear he eats his lunch out of the garbage.
	I still hear that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah!
	Oh, believe me, it's true.
	Easy for your child to become a target and easier online.
	Talk to your kids about cyberbullying and let them know they can't hide behind the words they type or the images they post.
	Check your child's online activity and block and delete any unwanted texts or emails.
	To learn more, visit smartcyberchoices.org.
	You're such a failure.
	Calling all parents.
	Keep your kids safe.
	Now, pay attention because here it comes at the end.
	Online.
	In partnership with the San Diego Police Foundation Safety Net Program.
	Creating a safer San Diego online and on the street.
	Sponsored by ESET and the Securing Our E-City Foundation.
	Okay, so the E... Yeah, exactly.
	It's an E-City.
	Well, it's a foundation that doesn't exist on record, as far as I can tell.
	I could not find any entry, no Form 990, securing our eCity, sponsored by ESET, E-S-E-T, which is essentially like a McAfee-type outfit.
	This is just the beginning, people.
	Just the beginning of the cybersecurity state that you're going to be lured into.
	It's going to be, oh, so incredibly important to be safe, and you don't want to be bullied, and you have to have all kinds of protection.
	It's just the beginning.
	Well, that's a depressing little side note.
	Nah, not really.
	It's kind of cool.
	Got a lot of emails about my thing about Bill Gates.
	And I was reminded that his dad was one of...
	I think he was on the board, but for a certain point he was in the top management of Planned Parenthood.
	Did you know that?
	I don't know.
	I have no idea that that's true.
	Yes.
	In fact, I tried to get the video from this.
	In 2003, on an interview with Bill Moyers...
	Bill Gates says, when I was growing up, my parents were almost involved in various volunteer things.
	My dad was head of Planned Parenthood, and it was very controversial to be involved with that.
	And so it's fascinating.
	At the dinner table, my parents are very good at sharing things like that, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	I tried to get the video of this, but guess what?
	2003, guess what format the video was in?
	Real player!
	Yes!
	I even downloaded the real player to try and get it.
	Yeah, it never works.
	Oh, well, now my computer, like, I got all kinds of stuff popping up, and, you know, I got all that.
	Oh, yeah, no, real player is just spyware.
	So if you go into the history, and not the recent history, but, you know, like, the real history of Planned Parenthood, guess what you run into pretty quickly?
	Margaret Sanger.
	Yeah, Sanger who's a eugenicist.
	She wants to kill people.
	Yes, exactly.
	She's the one who founded it.
	This plan, like, you know, this guy Eric Holthaus would be all in.
	I'm all in, cutting my nuts off.
	So here is a brief reading of one of Margaret Sanger's notes from early on about eugenics.
	Now, eugenics, as we've discussed on this program many times, is not just something that Alex Jones yells about on his show.
	The eugenics society was real.
	And the US of A, we're the ones who pretty much promoted it.
	The Nazis took all their stuff from us.
	We were the kings of this.
	We were this and time and motion studies and all this other kind of really dehumanizing approach to management.
	And the main issue at hand was we need to have no invalids.
	So if you've got Tourette's or something like that, basically we don't want you to procreate.
	We won't kill you.
	We just don't want you to make more of you.
	And, oh yeah, if you're black, this is a real problem because you hump like bunnies and make lots of you, but you're clearly inferior.
	Sanger's admiration for the eugenics programs of Nazi Germany were well known at the time.
	In 1933, the Birth Control Review published Eugenic Sterilization, an Urgent Need, by Ernst Rudin, who was Hitler's director of genetic sterilization and the founder of the Nazi Society for Racial Hygiene.
	In her praise for the eugenics programs in Germany, Sanger called for the implementation of such programs in the United States, specifically targeting African Americans.
	The following editorial was published in the 1932 issue of the Birth Control Review.
	The Negro problem is one of the most complicated and important confronting America.
	Whatever the ultimate answer may be, such an attitude brings to light the function of birth control as a necessary agency in its solution.
	The present submerged condition of the Negro is due in large part to the high fertility of the race under disastrously adverse circumstances.
	Thus, the question arises, to what extent birth control has had a eugenic effect upon the Negro race?
	If any question should remain about Sanger's racist agenda, a 1939 letter she wrote to Dr.
	Clarence Gamble should remove all doubt.
	We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social service backgrounds and with engaging personalities.
	The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal.
	That's just a little bit of the thinking at the time, and I thought it was kind of interesting to have this.
	It's from a documentary, a short documentary that I found.
	But if you look at what the Eugenics Society was, and I've put all these links for you in the show notes.
	Especially for you kids in high school, if you want to write an interesting paper, take these notes and put some together.
	Yes.
	Yeah, please do.
	Well, here's what I wanted to point out.
	So, eugenics, genetics, you know, eugenics, there was, you know, there was a society and I'm going to wager that there still is a lot of thinking just from the way we listen to what Bill Gates says he is doing is I'm trying to have less people on the earth.
	He says he's doing it through vaccines and it's a very complicated way of saying because people will not die, people will make less He refused to die on us.
	We're going to kill him.
	It is kind of the same theory as eugenics.
	It's still the same basic idea.
	Here's what I want you to be cognizant of.
	When you sign up for 23andMe and you get on your little social network and sharing your little genetic defects...
	Be wary as to who else has that information, and at some point in the future, Bill Gates might be going, well, we really don't want...
	This is dangerous.
	Yeah, I wonder how he feels about the genetics in him that apparently has Parkinson's.
	Really?
	Yeah, it's a little known, but somewhat publicized fact.
	Does he have Parkinson's?
	Yeah, he's got Parkinson's.
	Well, not severe yet.
	No, no.
	Really?
	So that's fact?
	Apparently, yes.
	Well, then we have to do away with him.
	Well, I mean, by the rules.
	I'm opting out of Parkinson's, by the way.
	Good.
	Gates was born...
	Dad.
	Yeah.
	He was born in Bremerton.
	They're all Seattleites.
	William Henry Gates III, or the second is his name.
	He was actually an Eagle Scout...
	Which is nothing to sneeze at, to be honest about.
	I've only known one personally.
	Or maybe a couple.
	So he was a Boy Scout.
	And then when he enlisted in the U.S. Army, he changed his name to William Gates Jr.
	to avoid the appearance of elitism.
	Which he basically was.
	Yeah.
	Elitist.
	He was on the board of Planned Parenthood.
	There's no evidence that he ran it.
	Well, I'm only saying what Bill Gates himself said.
	Yeah, well, you know, they like to exaggerate.
	Make their parents more important than they are.
	But I think being on the board is not necessarily...
	It's not non-trivial.
	It's not like you don't have anything to say.
	It's also on the board of Costco.
	Wow.
	And the founding co-chair of the Pacific Health Summit.
	Mm-hmm.
	Gates is co-author with Chuck Collins of the book Wealth and Our Common Wealth, Why America Should Tax Accumulated Fortunes, a defense of the policies promoted by the estate tax.
	How about the wealth tax?
	Isn't that what he's talking about?
	Excuse me.
	Anyway.
	Okay.
	You made your point.
	Yeah, my point is don't be so happy about your genetic makeup and sharing that with everybody.
	Yeah.
	At least just don't give it to Bill Gates.
	Right.
	I would say that's true.
	I have a clip from last show I wanted to play.
	Okay.
	This is the Obama on guns.
	Oh, ready?
	It ought to be a shock to all of us, as a nation and as a people.
	It ought to obsess us.
	It ought to lead to some sort of transformation.
	That's what happened in other countries when they experienced similar tragedies.
	In the United Kingdom, Did you edit that?
	No, it was pre-edited by somebody else.
	So this all came after the shotgunning of those people in the Navy base.
	I want to ask you a question about that.
	And it seems to me as though since Joe Biden has promoted shotguns, and shotguns are never discussed in any of this gun control stuff, is I don't get the disconnect.
	Guy comes in with a shotgun, starts blowing people up, and so they go right back into this handgun control thing.
	As if there was a connection.
	There is no connection.
	Well, here's the thing that bothers me.
	Have you seen the video?
	They've released video, and you see a Prius...
	Are the guys sneaking around?
	Yeah, so let me...
	Yeah, it's hilarious.
	Okay, so first you see a Prius driving into a garage.
	Oh, my God, that is so scary.
	And then you see the guy, he has no backpack.
	I mean, how did he shoot off 40, 50 rounds?
	Where's all the ammo?
	That thing takes...
	Remington takes seven shells.
	Seven shells, yeah.
	Where's all...
	This is bullshit.
	You're right.
	He didn't have a backpack.
	He didn't have a belt with a bunch of bullets.
	No, nothing.
	In fact, you don't even see him shooting that shotgun in the video.
	You only see him, like, walking around.
	Yeah, why is there no shots of the gun actually discharging?
	And why is every news report, every page, it's like, oh, this is chilling video.
	No, it's not.
	It's some doofus running around with a sawed-off shotgun with nothing.
	He's not shooting anybody?
	He has no huge stash of ammo?
	It's almost like the video of the Sarniff brothers.
	There is this video of them putting the backpacks into the garbage can.
	No one's seen it, but it exists.
	Oh, it's too secret.
	It's too shocking for you to see it, I guess.
	Yeah, it wouldn't be shocking in the least.
	It's like, where's the video of Osama Bin Laden being tossed off the boat?
	How about this one?
	Now, this is Rachel Madcow.
	I try to stay away from playing clips of her.
	By the way, I'm going to stop you right here.
	You condemned me about a year ago for playing clips of Rachel Maddow, and since then, you're the only one playing her clips.
	This is my evil plan to become more popular than you.
	I play this clip because it is such an extreme example of how the media ties into the lying that it has to be played.
	There was a lawsuit about the Sandy Hook 911 calls.
	As you know, these have not been released.
	There has been a protectionary measure that they will not be released.
	There was a lawsuit.
	The court finally said, okay, they can be released.
	Now, they still have not been released, but the whole idea is that we can hear what's on these tapes.
	Very similar to, I don't know, 9-11 tapes.
	Have we heard those?
	Have we heard tapes of calls to 9-11 from people in airplanes, amazingly enough, and in office buildings?
	We've heard those 9-1-1 tapes, haven't we?
	We actually heard a very sketchy tape of some guy on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania or wherever it was that was shot down, according to Rumsfeld, or one of those guys, if you recall.
	Yeah, Rumsfeld.
	But we've heard...
	To his wife in a situation where I don't think the cell could have gotten out of the...
	That's a difference.
	Makes no sense.
	Don't take me down that rabbit hole right now.
	Please.
	Okay, so we agree that 911 tapes have been played all the time, but we can't play them from Sandy Hook.
	On the day of the worst school shooting in U.S. history, this past December in Newtown, Connecticut, on the day that it happened, the Associated Press, among other news organizations, asked for the recordings of the 911 calls that were made that day during that crisis from the Sandy Hook Elementary School.
	And now, asking for the 911 calls, that is a standard news gathering request.
	It is routinely done in basically all emergency situations that get covered by the press.
	Even though it is standard practice, in the case of Newtown, Connecticut, the local police that day made the decision to deny that request by the media.
	They did not allow the tapes to be released.
	Well, yesterday, a state panel in Connecticut overturned that decision and ordered the release of the 911 calls.
	I'm sort of a free speech purist.
	Obviously I work in the news, so I'm inclined to that direction anyway.
	But in general, even personally, I'm a free speech purist.
	This by itself is just funny.
	I believe very strongly that the answer to bad speech or troubling speech is more speech.
	That it is wrong and usually counterproductive to try to suppress information and access to information.
	But honestly, it breaks my heart to think about the audio of those calls being released.
	This is not a done deal yet.
	The AP does not have the tapes yet.
	They may very well never have them.
	The state is in the process of appealing the ruling and they show every sign of fighting this vociferously because they do not want these tapes out.
	But if the audio of those 911 calls is released, if the sound is released of people being terrorized while they are in the act of being terrorized in the course of a mass murder of children, I have to say, I hope the media collectively will have the...
	Well, what do you call it?
	The good judgment, the reasonableness, and the stout enough hearts that no one sees fit to broadcast those tapes if they are ever made available.
	There is no legitimate purpose for those calls to be heard by the public.
	No legitimate purpose!
	If they need to be public, you can put them in public records depositories so people who want to hear that stuff can go seek it out if need be and listen to it privately.
	This is how it should go down, John.
	You go down to the basement, you know, down where the records are for the insider trading from Congressmen and their staff.
	You have to find an old woman down there, and then you have to give some blood.
	Yeah, and sign in and sign out, and it will be on cassette tape, you see.
	It won't be any digital thing.
	You have to have your own player.
	It'll be a Sony Walkman.
	You can put the headphones on so you can listen there if you need to hear it.
	But it shall not be broadcast.
	What is on these tapes?
	They've had nine months to do this.
	It's going to be a great production, I'm sure.
	It's going to be fabulous.
	I'm sure they have.
	It's going to be fabulous.
	This is so uncharacteristic of any news person to say this.
	What is going on with this?
	She's in the bag.
	So to speak.
	Yeah, well.
	Oh, jeez.
	Woo!
	Woo-hoo!
	I'll give myself an In the Morning for that.
	In the Morning!
	Thank you.
	Yeah, you deserve it.
	All right, so Clinton, I guess, is having his little confab, I guess, is ending shortly.
	Did you see him and Obama with Lucifer intro-ing them?
	No, I missed that.
	Oh, you want to hear it?
	Yes.
	Have fabulous daughters.
	Fabulous!
	They each married far above themselves.
	And they each love our country.
	And so, please join me in welcoming number 42 and number 44, Bill Clinton and President Barack Obama.
	Woo!
	Listen to the music.
	Production, Cup 5, Track 3.
	It's that cheesy, like, piano production music.
	Cheesy recorded crap that's public domain, those cheap bastards.
	This guy's got $75 billion in the bank, this Clinton Foundation.
	We were talking about it on another episode.
	And then there's a report on these guys.
	It's like something like seven...
	They got more money than the Gates Foundation.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	And nobody wants to mention any of that because they're just sitting on it.
	The guy's just making money off the interest.
	And it's the loops that come with GarageBand.
	Yeah.
	That's the stuff that...
	Exactly.
	Or something you find on it.
	If you play the Yamaha demo button on the Costco organ.
	200 Buck organ.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	Da-da-da-da.
	Da-da-da.
	Da-da-da.
	Da-da-da-da.
	And they're walking up now.
	Mr.
	President.
	Listen to this.
	Are you interviewing me?
	Are you interviewing me?
	That wouldn't be bad.
	I've been talking a lot today.
	That was a good thing you did.
	Thank you for coming.
	It is wonderful to be back.
	And let me start just by saying...
	Now, this is interesting.
	So, they mess up the script.
	That's why Clinton's like, are you waiting in me?
	He doesn't understand what's going on.
	And the president is waiting until Clinton says, you know, thank you to be here.
	And then that's when Barack just rolls into his script.
	Well, it is wonderful to be back.
	And let me start just by saying to all the people who have, for years now, supported the incredible efforts of CGI. The Saudi Arabians.
	Thank you.
	Because wherever we travel, all across the globe, we see the impact that it's making every single day.
	Syria, Lebanon, Libya.
	Rubble!
	And we're very proud of what you all do.
	Haiti, rubble, and poop.
	And let me say that we still miss our former Secretary of State.
	And I should add that there's nothing she said that was not true.
	Whoa!
	Whoa!
	Particularly the part about us marrying up.
	What does that even mean?
	She didn't say they were marrying...
	Oh, marrying up above their weight?
	Oh, okay.
	Ha ha ha.
	Well, that brings me to my first healthcare comment.
	So, how does that bring you to your first healthcare comment?
	I know, the guy is, he's drunk or high, high, high.
	And listen to him, he, he, it's, the whole thing is so bad.
	There's nothing she said that was not true.
	Particularly the part about us marrying up.
	Well, that brings me to my first healthcare comment.
	This is going to be a conversation about...
	That's what we call a great segue.
	Talk about a crappy segue.
	Well, that brings me to my first question here about healthcare.
	Thanks for leading me into that with this stupid remark.
	Domestic and international health and America's role in it.
	But I want to begin by telling you that...
	I think the First Lady has done a great job in this fight against childhood obesity.
	Oh, okay.
	So what he's doing now, excuse me, while I blow you about your wife.
	We have been honored at our foundation to be asked to represent her effort in 18,000 schools where we've lowered the calories and drinks being served in the schools by 90%.
	She's been great on that.
	The other thing I think is that...
	I was a little upset in his...
	He's in school now.
	Okay, good.
	You know, called one of your administration members when you got to Africa.
	When I read an article, it said that you didn't have a big initiative in Africa.
	And I said, I can't say exactly what I said, but I said, that is inaccurate.
	That's the sanitized version of what I said.
	Anyway, so then he tries to sell Obamacare.
	In one minute.
	And this is how you don't sell Obamacare.
	So there was, in effect, no price competition.
	So what I was terrified of was, you know, we'd open these things and there'd only be one company show up and bid, and this whole thing, we'd be having an academic conversation.
	Instead, it's actually led to the establishment of more companies doing more bidding.
	And I think part of it is they have greater confidence that they can deliver health care at a more modest It costs.
	So, so far it's good, but I think it's important for you to tell the people why we're doing all this outreach, because this only works, for example, if young people show up.
	And even if they buy the cheapest plan, then they claim their tax credit so it won't cost them much, $100 a month or so.
	We've got to have them in the pools because otherwise...
	Everybody in the pool!
	All these projected low costs cannot be held if...
	Older people with pre-existing conditions are disproportionately represented in any given state.
	You've got to have everybody lined up.
	So explain all the work you've been doing on the outreach for the opening in October.
	All right.
	Why doesn't somebody get, Bill, some beer or some weed or something?
	That's the most incoherent thing I've ever heard.
	I've been listening to him on this and that.
	I got one here.
	He was on PBS. And he goes rambling.
	He did this on Letterman.
	He starts talking about one thing and then he confuses himself and starts rambling about something else.
	And it's just the weirdest thing to listen to.
	I think this one here has got some pretty weird crap on it, this clip.
	Ammunition clips, not having assault weapons, anything.
	Americans will support reasonable things as long as they don't interfere with the ability to hunt, sports shoot, or defend your home.
	They will support other measures.
	But the people who are for these things won't vote against you if you're on the other side.
	The people who are against them will vote against you if you're on the other side.
	So that creates a political imbalance.
	One question about your wife, Secretary Clinton.
	She...
	You know, that man who you live with?
	Confirmed for the first time this week, this past week, that she is wrestling with the idea of running for president.
	Why did she choose to say this right now after months of avoiding the press on the subject?
	And how much does she talk to you?
	You two are so close.
	How much do you talk about it?
	I must say, until I read the reports of her interview, it struck me that she was pretty much saying what she always did.
	We don't need a four-year presidential campaign.
	It's amazing how much longer they are now.
	She doesn't have to declare now or in three months or six months.
	And so I think she should just enjoy her life and finish her book.
	And do this work she wants to do with this Too Small to Fail initiative.
	Too small to fail.
	I think she'll make a better decision about this political issue if everything's going well in her life.
	That's what I think.
	Yeah, of course the media, they don't like this because they want to start racking up some of that money.
	Yeah, they do, actually.
	You've got to get to stretch this thing out.
	But this Ready for Hillary campaign has been going on for at least five, six months.
	Yeah.
	I get two emails, maybe one email every day or two from Ready for Hillary.
	I'm on their mailing list.
	It's very interesting.
	I've been Ready for Hillary for years, honey.
	Yeah.
	And so they're just pushing, pushing, pushing.
	And this is not like some independent group of people.
	They're going to try to talk Hillary into running, which is what they try to promote in this, whatever it is, this mailing they keep sending out.
	They're always asking for, can you just give us $5?
	And then sometimes they have the $3 thing, which Obama perfected.
	And it was like $3.
	Well, $3 is not enough.
	So you click on it and you go to the donation page.
	It's not even on there.
	It's other.
	You have to write it in.
	Other.
	Yeah.
	So it's other.
	But whatever the case is, this has been going on.
	They're collecting money.
	They're by the millions, by the way, ready for Hillary.
	They'll just give her all the money when they officially start the campaign.
	So they're going to stretch this out.
	But this is a four-year campaign.
	Just what Bill said.
	But it's going to get tiresome.
	I think people are going to get sick of it.
	Hillary's got her face lift.
	She's got everything ready to go.
	She's got their Too Small to Fail.
	She's got that happening.
	She's got a book, a bullcrap book she's going to put out just before the election, and then they're going to kill Bill, and that'll be the icing on the cake.
	Well, I think we also have to deal with Anthony.
	Yeah, we've got to deal with Wiener.
	We've got to deal with him and Bill.
	So Bill can die before...
	We need him to...
	What's in the book?
	Didn't I say he had to die before everything so that we could have the whole...
	We have a different opinion on the timing.
	What is the timing?
	Do you have the book there handy?
	We've got so many predictions in this thing.
	I'm going to have to dig back.
	You can talk and I'll look.
	Well, first of all, we both believe that they will kill him because he's annoying.
	Chelsea will take over, of course.
	She'll be running the empire, doing it for mom with her banker husband.
	And Bill will, of course, die in the saddle.
	It's already been set up.
	Whether we have proof or not, the word will be that there was a Russian hooker riding him to death.
	But I believe that, I think I said he has to kick, or they have to kill him before, just before the election.
	So we can have a funeral, and we need the sympathy vote.
	I don't know if this is right, what you're saying.
	Yeah, you had a different opinion.
	I did, but I'm not sure whose opinion is whose now.
	I have to find it.
	I'm going to dig through it.
	We'll have to talk about it on the next show.
	I want to mention to people out there who helped us produce this show by funding it that nobody else would even discuss such an issue or a possibility except this show.
	But everybody knows it.
	Everybody knows it, and everybody, you know, they'll talk about it over dinner, but they won't talk about it.
	On their podcast.
	Openly.
	On their podcast.
	Openly.
	Hey, before it's forbidden, because this is all part of the big tolerance push.
	Yeah, no, this is intolerant to even discuss such a thing.
	I'm going to go through page after page to find the little thing in here.
	You do that.
	I want to play...
	On Thursday, we read the proposed European Union legislation for tolerance.
	So you can't talk bad about anybody.
	You can't say anyone's, you know, lame.
	Right, which will limit the lifespan of the show.
	In Europe, it certainly will.
	But I think it's a global thing.
	Here is Watermelon Head Carey, who uses it not once, but twice.
	The T-word.
	It is fair to say that unspeakable evil still exists in our world.
	Woo-hoo!
	Yeah, at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
	And dealing with that is the cause that brings all of us here today.
	We have to remain vigilant, but we have to do more than be vigilant.
	We have to find a way to prevent, to preempt, to act ahead of these kinds of obscenities.
	Cowardly attacks like these cannot be allowed to change who we are.
	By the way, do you hear how he's...
	We know that he signs his name John F. Carey.
	Do you hear him?
	He's actually now doing Kennedy cadence.
	Listen to him.
	And justice for all.
	So I think that these acts call on us to reaffirm our determination.
	To counter violent extremism and promote tolerance everywhere.
	And that's what brings us here today.
	The more I witness these acts over the course of these years, the more I am struck by their emptiness.
	People who attack in masks disappear, kill people.
	And you wonder what the statement is that they leave behind.
	Are they offering a school?
	Are they offering a health clinic?
	Hey everybody, come on down to the Al-Qaeda School of Health.
	Are they offering education and opportunity for a better life?
	It seems there's an emptiness in these actions.
	And I think everybody here feels it.
	So it calls on us to reaffirm our determination to counter violent extremism and to promote tolerance everywhere.
	There you go.
	It's all about the T word.
	Tolerance.
	I'm just identifying it.
	No, I think you're onto something with that.
	That's a good one.
	I give that as catch of the day.
	Catch of the day.
	It's not quite a halibut.
	But it's catch of the day.
	I do want to just point something out to all the techie boys out there.
	I find it interesting that whenever SpaceX does something, it's like everyone's like, oh, it's Elon, SpaceX!
	They're going to the International Space Station.
	Oh, they're launching SpaceX.
	Countdown, we're going.
	Maybe the...
	But when Orbital, Orbital Cygnus, which docked with the International Space Station yesterday, it's crickets.
	No one talks about it.
	And Orbital?
	These guys?
	Do you know Orbital?
	They make rockets that kill people.
	I mean, look at Orbital.
	I think it's Orbital.com.
	Why does no one talk about Orbital when they dock with the space station?
	They are one of two companies who have a private contract with NASA. Yeah, Orbital.com.
	Yeah, I'm looking at it.
	They've been around since 1982.
	That's the reason.
	They're 31 years in space.
	Yes, but look, they have missile defense systems, human spaceflight exploration systems.
	I believe, I believe that the real work, the real business, the real...
	Let me try to guess what you're suggesting.
	You're suggesting that Space X is a distraction to keep us from looking at Orbital, which is the company that needs to be examined.
	Yes.
	Exactly.
	And it's being propagated by little techie fanboys and script kitties who are like, oh, it's so cool!
	You know, a musk has shot a rocket into space!
	Morons, look at what's really going on here!
	The price of the stock, $21.30.
	They've got the Pegasus, the Taurus, the Antares, the Minotaur.
	That's the one that kills people.
	And then they have missile interceptor vehicles, target vehicles, long-range targets.
	These guys, they're building systems that kill people, shoot rockets from outer space.
	Nice!
	Yeah!
	This is the company that's cool.
	These guys have pretty much launched every single satellite you can think of.
	Intelsat, Coreasat, Intelsat 15, Intelsat 16.
	They're making the real money.
	Yeah, no kidding.
	But they literally docked here.
	Orbital Cygna spacecraft successfully burst with International Space Station yesterday.
	Will this be on Twit?
	No.
	No.
	It'll be...
	He's cool.
	He's so awesome.
	He's awesome.
	He's Tony Stark.
	Well, dream on, people.
	So let's take a look here at the, before we end the show, the key statistics of these guys.
	So the company's worth $1.2 billion, which is cheap.
	It's very cheap.
	Yeah, actually Elon can buy them with pocket change.
	You can buy this company.
	Just in the public market.
	That's the market cap is $1.2?
	That's very low.
	I find that to be very low.
	It's very low.
	Well, it's because not a tech company, they're not getting a lot of publicity apparently.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well, we're trying.
	This is our pump and dump scheme.
	So the revenue is...
	Curiously, the market cap is $1.2 billion, but their revenue is $1.4 billion.
	Oh, wow.
	So their one times earnings?
	That's what it looks like.
	That's weird.
	Or one times revenue.
	Oh, one times revenue.
	Oh, yeah.
	What's their earnings?
	Their earnings $339 million, which makes them like four times earnings.
	Although their earnings per share...
	Price-earnings ratio is 18 intraday, so I don't know how that makes any sense.
	Who's the CEO? David W. Thompson.
	Oh!
	No wonder.
	Look at this guy.
	What a dick.
	What a nerd dick.
	Let's see.
	Where is he?
	A dick nerd.
	Let me get the profile of the company.
	He's not sexy.
	Well, guess where they're located?
	Virginia?
	Oh, no, Texas.
	Texas.
	They're located in Texas.
	No, Dulles, Virginia.
	I thought they were in Texas.
	They're on 45-101 Warp Drive on Dulles, Virginia.
	Wow.
	They may have operations in Texas.
	David W. Thompson is the chairman, CEO, and president.
	He gets paid $1.2 million, which is reasonable.
	But look at his head.
	He's no Elon Musk.
	Well, you've got to go to corporate information and then executive profiles.
	It's another thing.
	Well, we could do so much good for this company.
	But I don't think they want it.
	No, no, no, no.
	They don't want it.
	Absolutely not.
	There's no interest.
	He looks like an Eric Schmidt.
	Oh, wait a minute.
	I actually got David W. Thompson, the actor, and when this picture came up, it was kind of a shocker.
	No, it's a different David W. Thompson.
	Yeah, so I do believe, indeed, that particularly if you look at the launching of these two systems, one after another, that this is rigged.
	This is rigged to distract us from the company that's doing the real work.
	It could be.
	It's not a big shocker to anybody if it's true.
	I just find it interesting that why is no one interested in a company that has docked successfully, a commercial company?
	One, they don't want to be noticed.
	And B, the other guy wants to be noticed.
	And you've got a discrepancy here.
	You've got a company that doesn't want to be noticed and a company paying to be noticed.
	And so they get noticed.
	And it's like, we are stunned by this.
	No, it's just the way it is.
	I want people to look inside themselves and ask themselves that question.
	Why are they tweeting about SpaceX and not about Orbital?
	Because they're idiots.
	It's not because they're idiots.
	It's the only point you tried to make there.
	No, it's not because they're idiots.
	It's because they're sucked up into celebrity culture, and it's important that people realize what's happening.
	I would say that's the American way, and what you're saying, which I think is the real point you're making here, is that even the most technological, nerdy geeks, the guys who should be above it all, they might as well be watching the Maury show.
	Yeah.
	Just as bad as people who watch Entertainment Tonight.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And many of them are comic book nuts.
	And they should be ashamed of themselves.
	Well, there's that.
	All right.
	No Agenda Producer Update will be coming up on the live stream right after this program, which is ending as we speak.
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	We dissect it, we slice it, we dice it, we roll it in the mud, we slap it on its butt, and we present it to you on a silver platter.
	Anyway, looking forward to it.
	And of course I'll know if I'm going to the Supreme Court or not.
	Ah, that'd be great.
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