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	And bear is close to bear.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Sunday, June 30th, 2013.
	It's time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 526.
	This is no agenda.
	Officially declaring the C word to mean cracker here in the Travis Heights hot out in Austin, Texas.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where it's sunny, beautiful, and I've decided that Martha Stewart can't cook.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	And she's not too good at stock tips either.
	Well, that brings up the point of my theme for today's show.
	Oh, what's that?
	Don't look over here.
	I've noticed I have themes.
	Oh, I have problems.
	You have themes, I got problems.
	Well, my theme is liars.
	Oh, that's a good one.
	Isn't that our theme every show?
	Yeah, I'm thinking that now.
	Isn't that just like the ongoing theme of this program?
	Miss Mickey is out.
	She went back to Amsterdam for her special project she left yesterday.
	So you didn't get your pancakes.
	No, I didn't get my pancakes, exactly.
	And I got to do everything myself.
	So you're going to be grumpy the whole show.
	Well, it's...
	Low carbs, no carbs.
	No carbs.
	And I'm like, I'm going to be great husband.
	And yesterday, we have water restrictions in Texas, pretty much permanent.
	So I'm like, okay, it's going to be at night.
	What?
	Does it even mean water restrictions?
	Oh, water usage restriction.
	What if you're dehydrated?
	No, no, you can drink.
	You can drink all you can drink, but it's watering your lawn that's a problem.
	Do you have a lawn?
	Yeah, we're on the corner, so we have quite a bit of grass.
	Oh, okay.
	I want you just to recycle your rainwater.
	Yeah, well, this is Texas, John.
	What rainwater?
	Okay, go on with the story.
	Yeah, so yes, I'm a great husband, because, you know, it's starting to turn brown.
	It's like it's not looking good, except for, you know, the grass is frying, except, well, we had these big oak trees, and underneath the oak trees, it's fantastic.
	It's beautiful green.
	And so I'm, you know, it's dark out and I'm running around with the sprinklers, you know.
	Although they can actually, you know, they look at your water usage bill and they will come and bust you if they think you're using too much.
	This is not even with the smart grid water meters.
	What are they going to do to you?
	Oh, they fine you.
	Do they work you over?
	Yeah, with Ugly Stick.
	No, they fine you for that.
	Anyway, but, you know, we're in a family house, and so just the two of us, you know, like, wow, this took a lot of showers this particular week.
	So three hours of moving the sprinklers all around in the dark, and I swear to God, and I sit down and I string out the wire on the back porch for the new little bit of hamming, because, you know, we had a huge magnetic storm, so 40 meters was cranked up.
	And boom!
	Thunder, lightning, it rains.
	After three hours of doing all this crap.
	And it rained all night.
	Well, that's just the way it works.
	Did you try the rain stick?
	No, but I'm thinking we should do a rain stick for everybody in Phoenix and in Southern California.
	How's it there with you?
	Is it crazy hot?
	You'd think from the reporting in Europe, you'd think that Armageddon is upon us.
	They've taken this opportunity for a little bit of what we used to call, I think, a heat wave.
	And it's like, they're cooking eggs on the street!
	They're all gonna die!
	Death Valley!
	This is it!
	Armageddon!
	Agenda 21!
	Oh, this is global warming!
	It's over!
	Yeah.
	It's really sad how this is being portrayed.
	And you almost would think that the president, after announcing his climate change goals on the hottest day, he was wiping down his forehead.
	Whew!
	He's so hot!
	He's so hot!
	That they cranked up harp or something just to prove the point.
	You know?
	To hammer it home.
	In fact, the president yesterday...
	He did his little show, his little podcast, the presidential podcast.
	Is that on iTunes?
	If it's not, I'll talk to the guys.
	If I have some pull, I'll probably get the press on iTunes.
	Essentially, he repeats his entire message that he did in his 40-45 minute speech there at Georgetown University.
	He added a couple things that I wanted to highlight.
	And of course, he does not disappoint by giving us a hearty...
	Hi, everybody!
	Hi, everybody.
	A few days ago, I unveiled a new national plan to confront the growing threat of a changing climate.
	Decades of carefully reviewed science tells us our planet is changing in ways that will have profound impacts on the world we leave our children.
	That is a little new, what he just said there.
	Decades of carefully reviewed science.
	That's harsh.
	It's bullcrap.
	Yeah, but to say that, this is so blatant.
	And this is, and you have to admit, this is the other Obama now.
	This is number two.
	It's like they've tag-teamed.
	The first guy was tired.
	He's invigorated.
	He looks great.
	He looks tighter for some reason.
	Yeah, he got a couple of shots in him.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Already we know that the 12 warmest years in recorded history have all come in the last 15.
	That's right.
	And the last year was the warmest in American history.
	Which doesn't mean it was the warmest in the world.
	Okay, that's global warming taking place only in America.
	And while we know no single weather event is caused solely by climate change.
	This is so good.
	This is the hedge.
	He keeps putting that in there.
	Yeah, they've had to go from, oh, weather's not climate, weather's not climate, to weather and climate are interlinked, and bad weather is related to climate.
	Now they've got this.
	This is the latest.
	They have been experimenting so much with the various means to see which ones they'll catch.
	Yeah, they've been doing that with the language.
	Very good.
	Science!
	We also know that in a world that's getting warmer than it used to be, I love this.
	This is really good language.
	He didn't say this either.
	In a world that is getting warmer than it used to be, what does that mean?
	It used to be last year, 1,000 years ago, 10,000 years ago.
	What does it even mean?
	More extreme droughts, floods, wildfires, and hurricanes.
	So we haven't had any hurricanes.
	Why did he say hurricanes and not tornadoes?
	I probably should have said tornadoes.
	I think that was a mistake.
	No, no, John.
	Yeah, God, man.
	You and I know better than this.
	Nothing is by mistake with these people.
	This guy's been making a lot of mistakes recently, I think.
	When did he give this speech?
	Is this after South Africa?
	No, this is before he left.
	This was pre-taped.
	Pre-taped.
	Those who already feel the effects of a changing climate don't have time to deny it.
	What?
	We don't have time to deny it?
	Wow, now that's a gem.
	He said this last time.
	I don't remember him saying we don't have time to deny it.
	By the way, the Flat Earth Society that he referenced, they have documentation that they're all in on global warming.
	Yeah, of course.
	It's kind of ironic.
	It's beautiful.
	It's a beautiful thing.
	Uh-huh, yeah.
	So yeah, we don't have time, because what are they doing?
	Apparently it's firefighters who deny global warming.
	They're busy dealing with it.
	The firefighters who brave longer wildfire seasons.
	See, this is a misread of the prompter.
	Did you hear what happened here?
	He's just reading and he's not even thinking anymore about what he's saying.
	No, he doesn't think.
	No, so he's saying, people don't even have time to deny global warming because they're too busy dealing with it.
	And then he goes in and the inflection is the firefighters, like the firefighters are denying it.
	Listen to it again.
	Oh, it's very poorly done, poorly worded.
	Firefighters.
	Hold on, let me back it up a little bit more.
	No, it's just, no, he's not paying attention to the script.
	He's just reading it.
	By climate change.
	We also know that in a world that's getting warmer than it used to be, all weather events are affected by it.
	More extreme droughts, floods, wildfires, and hurricanes.
	Those who already feel the effects of a changing climate don't have time to deny it.
	They're busy dealing with it.
	The firefighters who brave longer wildfire seasons.
	The farmers who see crops wilted one year and washed away the next.
	These are the deniers, apparently.
	Dumb.
	Western families worried about water that's drying up.
	The costs of these events can be measured in lost lives and livelihoods, lost homes and businesses, and hundreds of billions of dollars in emergency services and disaster relief.
	And Americans across the country are already paying the price of inaction in higher food costs, insurance premiums, and the tab for rebuilding.
	Now, and that's all I have.
	I didn't record all four minutes, five minutes.
	But that last bit that he just said where you're already paying the tab, that is directly from the university that does the climate change communication.
	That is their line.
	That is exactly their line.
	Remember when we read the documents and it's like, here's the new mission is to say you're already paying for it, so you might as well pony up and I guess that will lead to...
	Pay more?
	Yeah, that'll lead to...
	You're already paying for it.
	Pay more.
	Pay some more.
	You're already being taxed.
	What difference is making it taxed more?
	What difference does it make?
	You're already taxed.
	So...
	I love the logic.
	With this, I just want to lead into something.
	We kind of got started on this and didn't even intend to do it.
	I got a note from our insider.
	We have an industry insider who really confirmed for us that all of these wind farms and solar panel farms are really concealing gas-fired electrical plants.
	And he's a lawyer.
	He has some contracts.
	He says, you know, oh my God, all these contracts that I'm doing for these solar and wind farms, they all have gas pipelines leading up to them.
	And if you take that back even a little bit more, this is a huge setup that we've seen.
	And the setup was for natural gas.
	And a lot of these plants, mainly built by General Electric, I might add, big buddies there of the Obama administration, and of course NBC and all the other television channels who have been propagating this, they got huge subsidies from the government for building solar and wind farms.
	So the scam is now obvious.
	It's like we're just building, you know, we're getting ready for natural gas.
	It'll be a part of the climate change plan.
	We're going to push everyone towards natural gas.
	Get in now on the ground floor.
	And I'll ask you in a minute, I'll ask you to give us some ideas of what we can invest in.
	And by the way, we should mention that they are literally bulldozing the coal plants.
	Yeah, pushing them down.
	They don't want to have them there to restart them.
	They're just tearing them down.
	Got another email from our insider.
	And this brought up something that we talked about three years ago, which it's really cool how these things come around and what we already identified back in the day.
	So the insider, we'll just call the gas scam insider, I saw another energy-related contract yesterday, Adam.
	At first assumed it was another solar contract, but instead it was for a fuel cell technology that turns natural gas into electricity using a, quote, electromechanical reaction rather than combustion.
	Having never heard of this before, I looked up the company.
	Do you remember what company this is, John?
	No, I don't.
	I know the technology, but I don't remember the company.
	Bloom Energy.
	Oh, yeah, Bloom.
	Right.
	I do remember.
	Yes.
	And Bloom Energy was the company...
	They had a huge hype on 60 Minutes.
	This was...
	In fact, I went back.
	I pulled the clip because it was...
	I remember that we...
	We actually talked about watching this.
	Oh, everyone's going to watch this tonight.
	It's going to be unveiled.
	It's the big, massive news.
	It's the fuel cell.
	It's the secret is being unveiled.
	And this has been funded by Kleiner Perkins and John Doerr.
	And so I wanted to just replay the opening.
	Oh, you found the old clip.
	Oh, yeah.
	The 60 Minutes hype.
	Yeah, it was an unbelievable hype.
	And then I'll read the rest of our insiders' communique to us.
	In the world of energy, the Holy Grail is a power source that's inexpensive.
	Now remember, this is three years ago almost.
	Yes, three years ago.
	Three years ago when this was being set up.
	And clean with no emissions.
	Well over a hundred startups in Silicon Valley are working on it.
	One of them is Bloom Energy.
	This was also before all of the Solyndra's and this is when all the money was going into all this stuff that started to fail a couple years later.
	Their invention?
	A little power plant in a box they want to put literally in your backyard.
	You'll generate your own electricity with the box and it'll be wireless.
	The idea is to one day replace the big power plants and transmission line grid the way the laptop moved in on the desktop and cell phone supplanted landlines.
	It has a lot of smart people believing and buzzing, even though the company has been unusually secretive until this past February, when K.R. Schreeder invited us to be the first news organization to take a look at the innards of the bloom box that he'd been toiling on for nearly a decade.
	Now you remember this, right?
	Oh yeah, and they had the little thing in his hand.
	I pulled that clip too.
	I had to.
	I had to.
	It's also, it makes it extra funny because he's Indian.
	Yeah.
	Bullcrap Indian.
	Oh, we've got the database here and look at my hand.
	It's very, very small.
	What could this power?
	This could power a U.S. home.
	Average United States home.
	Entire house 24-7-365.
	Something that small?
	The way we make it is in two blocks.
	This is a European home.
	The two put together is a U.S. home.
	Because we use twice as much energy.
	Yeah, and this is our 4-H energy.
	So four homes in India, your native country.
	Absolutely.
	Four to six homes in our country.
	We need energy.
	We just need energy like you people.
	Home's awfully dazzling.
	It is real.
	It works.
	Yeah, only where is it?
	He says he knows it works because he originally invented a similar device for NASA. He really is a rocket scientist.
	Remember he looked into this?
	Bullcrap, too.
	Right?
	And so where is his cube on Mars with the rover?
	This invention working on Mars would have allowed the NASA administrator to pick up a phone and say, Mr.
	President, we know how to produce oxygen on Mars.
	Yeah, that worked out, huh?
	This guy's an a-hole.
	This was going to produce oxygen so people could actually live on Mars.
	Absolutely.
	All right.
	For NASA. This is where you know the guys.
	I mean, you have to calculate the cubic feet of the atmosphere of what could be an atmosphere in Mars.
	It's just a lot ridiculous.
	It's going to produce it from what?
	By the way, I want people to know...
	From a vacuum?
	We are not racist.
	We just love making fun of silly accents and funny walks.
	Scrap that Mars mission.
	We're actually, in this case...
	Racist.
	We're not racist.
	This guy's a fake.
	Yeah, he's a phony, but we're attacking the entire peoples of India.
	Well, if they donate more, I don't think there would be such an issue.
	I had an idea.
	He reversed his Mars machine, so instead of...
	I love this.
	This is 60 minutes.
	He reversed his Mars machine and came up with the answer for all future energy.
	Making oxygen, he pumped oxygen in.
	He invented a new kind of fuel cell.
	Okay, so, well, 20 seconds later.
	Yeah, I think we all get the point.
	Okay, so the idea was it was not a fuel cell.
	It is a well-known technology of creating energy from natural gas.
	And you can do it, but it's one of these things that has to run for more than an hour.
	It can't just crap out and he was making it from sand on beaches and all this bull crap.
	So let's go back to our insider's email.
	And so he said he had not heard of this company.
	I actually sent him this link.
	He said, oh man, it's too funny.
	I went back to the contract and noticed that it requires confidentiality about the actual performance of the device.
	So here's this fabulous fuel cell that's going to save the world, but they want to keep the performance of this natural gas slurper confidential.
	Well, you know what that means, of course.
	It sucks.
	It totally does.
	It sucks.
	Yeah.
	Let's look at it from a marketing perspective.
	If this thing kicked total butt and it had unbelievable performance, which it doesn't, you wouldn't want to keep that a secret because that's your marketing tool.
	Yep.
	But you do want to keep it a secret if it's a piece of crap, because keeping it a secret is your marketing tool.
	But here's where it all ties together.
	So the president comes out, says natural gas is the transitional fuel of the future as we get to fuel that farmers will have to grow, which I guess will be sugarcane or whatever it's going to be.
	And all of a sudden, these contracts start popping up for this Bloom Energy bullcrap.
	It's cash-in time.
	That's what's coming now.
	There's $7 billion.
	That's only what he talked about and what he announced.
	And all these guys are jumping on it with these confidentiality contracts.
	And so it's going to be incredibly inefficient, expensive, and it's going to be a bonanza.
	And finally, Kleiner Perkins will get their money back.
	Yeah, they've got to get their money out.
	A couple hundred.
	But they've got to get it out.
	They've got to get it back.
	It's funny because the last piece of article written...
	About Bloom Energy in terms of a press release was in June 4th, just recently in 2013.
	Verizon to buy Bloom Energy fuel cells, blah, blah, blah.
	And why would this, this is like a minor story to me, but who else would run it but GigaOM, which is an Indian mafia company?
	Yes, of course.
	Hey, GigaOM, it's time to turn on the marketing heat.
	So why are these companies buying the Bloom Energy machine?
	Because they get a 35% tax credit.
	That's why Google got them.
	Okay.
	So it's a government scam that's going to roll out this Bloom Energy as an IPO. Or somebody's going to buy them.
	But I think it'll be an IPO because nobody in their right mind will buy them, right?
	It has to be an IPO because there's $400 million invested in this thing.
	Yeah, so they'll do an IPO for a billion.
	More, more, more, more, more than a billion.
	Okay, more than a billion.
	So this, ladies and gentlemen, even though I do not give stock tips, sounds like a future short to just live with.
	It's going to be dynamite.
	Buy the stock when it comes out and just wait for it to go up.
	Hiccup.
	As soon as it hiccups.
	Then short the hell out of it.
	Wait a minute.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So we're going to say, okay, I think you're right.
	I think you're dead on.
	I think this is a lead-in to an IPO that'll make Kleiner, get Kleiner out of the woods, make the government look good, and make Obama look good.
	And he'll be out of office by the time this thing finally craters.
	The cool thing, well, maybe not even.
	Well, you never know.
	The cool thing about all of this...
	The cool thing about all of this is that the taxpayer gets screwed on both ends of the stick.
	And we get screwed when these guys build these phony baloney fronts for basically gas-fired turbines with a wind farm in front as a facade.
	Look at the wind farm.
	Don't look at the turbine.
	And they're getting huge tax breaks there.
	We get screwed.
	And then when the consumer, when the customer, the big, you know, we're all in, of course, Google has it, Verizon has it, when they buy it, there's another tax break.
	Right, which again comes out of our pocket.
	Yeah, we got screwed twice.
	And then Verizon still sends you a bill.
	Yeah, they should be sending us money.
	You want to hear John Doerr at the time?
	Oh, yeah, might as well.
	Might as well.
	Make me cringe.
	Yeah.
	In October 2001, he managed to get a meeting with John Doerr from the big Silicon Valley venture capital firm Kleiner Perkins.
	How much do you think I need to come up with the next big thing?
	Oh, that's my job, to find entrepreneurs.
	That's my job.
	No, your job is to make money for your limited partners, which you're not doing a great job of, I might add.
	No, they haven't really failed.
	There's been a continuum of failures ever since they went green.
	Oh, yeah.
	It was a huge blunder.
	Yeah.
	Oh, green, green, green.
	Because, you know, he's buddies with...
	Dore's buddies with Al Gore, and Gore's over there.
	All the time.
	All the time.
	His snake oil.
	His carbon exchange.
	Yes.
	That.
	Okay.
	So, listen, listen.
	It gets better.
	Remember, this is 2010...
	And, oh, that's my job.
	We're going to change the world.
	We're going to change.
	That's my job.
	We're going to change the world.
	We are the world.
	And then help them.
	And help them by taking away all their stock and giving them nothing.
	John Doerr has certainly changed our world.
	He's the one who discovered and funded Netscape.
	Bullcrap.
	We discovered Netscape.
	What does that mean?
	This is 60 Minutes, mind you, on the Tiffany Network.
	They're clueless about all this stuff.
	He didn't discover Netscape.
	Amazon?
	He didn't discover Amazon.
	And Google.
	And Google.
	There are late comers to Google.
	Yeah, they had to buy a billion dollars worth of stock to get into Google.
	They didn't discover nothing.
	When he listened to KR, the idea seemed just as transformative.
	Efficient, inexpensive, clean energy out of a box.
	But Google, $25 million.
	I don't know where that came from.
	And you can see his expression is like, oh my God, where'd you come up with that number?
	We did a backroom overnight deal for a billion before the IPO. What are you talking about $25 million?
	Okay, I'm just going to shut up about it.
	It'll make me look good.
	This man said how much money?
	At the time, he said over $100 million.
	Didn't smoke start coming out of your ears?
	No?
	No.
	That was okay?
	That was okay.
	So nothing he said scared you?
	Oh, I wasn't at all sure it could be done.
	But there was a selling point.
	Clean energy was an emerging market worth gazillions.
	Gazillions!
	I just heard gazillions.
	I didn't know there was gazillions.
	Write that down.
	This is 60 Minutes, John.
	CBS, CBS. The Tiffany Network apparently now has invented the monetary unit of a gazillion.
	The fawning of this.
	They are so complicit.
	In this bullcrap.
	I like to say that the new energy technologies could be the largest economic opportunity of the 21st century.
	Yeah, and that's what you told all your investors, and gee, how'd that work out?
	Was this your very first clean energy investment?
	Yeah.
	This was the very first.
	Yes.
	I forgot that part.
	It would be funnier if...
	You know, it'd be better if...
	You start off on the wrong foot, and it just gets worse.
	Wouldn't it be funnier if John Doerr was Indian?
	John Doerr, you know, I think the funny thing is John Doerr has dealt, the guy they used to have there, who finally got, there was a big battle royale between him and Doerr, the Indian guy.
	Who was the Indian guy?
	Oh, you mean that wasn't Ram Sharam, was it?
	No.
	No, no, no.
	The real big shot, the big Indian guy, the guy who's the biggest blowhard of them all.
	I don't know who this is.
	And he was at Kleiner?
	He was one of the main guys at Kleiner, and he was about to take over the place.
	And him and Dora got into this huge battle royale of egos, and he lost and had to go off.
	And he was one of the founders of Sun.
	He got kicked out, booted out Vishni, Vishner.
	Vishnoy, that guy?
	Vishnoy, that's the Jewish guy that was there.
	Vinod Khosla.
	Vinod.
	Vinod.
	Vinod is really, really up there in terms of he's got the right degrees, he's got the right attitude, he's very patronizing.
	He looks like he should be on Star Trek almost.
	Yeah, he looks like an actor.
	And him and Dora were always battling it out.
	I won.
	Of course, the company hasn't been...
	But Vinod was probably the highest end of these kinds of blowhards.
	He was really good at talking.
	He wouldn't let you talk about anything but himself.
	He's just an amazing guy.
	He could be on this show.
	He hasn't exactly.
	He hasn't done anything since leaving Kleiner Perkins that I can tell.
	Let me see.
	Career, career, career.
	2006...
	His wife co-founded the CK12 Foundation, aims to develop open source textbooks.
	Ugh, the philanthropist.
	How boring.
	Open source text.
	What is that?
	They're also donors to the Wikimedia Foundation.
	Oh, okay.
	So if you see something nasty about you on your wiki, it's him.
	He's doing it.
	He's actually amazing.
	His ego is so big that he wouldn't even consider stooping to anything.
	He's the type of guy in India who's got the big giant house, a bunch of servants, and they just think they're fantastic people.
	Really?
	A whole bunch of servants?
	Okay, in 2010, so he has Khosla Ventures, Tony Blair's on board.
	Here, you take Alhor, I'll take Tony Blair.
	And he invests in clean tech.
	And he also raised $250 million for Khosla Seed, which will invest in higher risk opportunities.
	Damn, I thought it would be Seeds.
	That would be funny.
	He was selling seeds.
	Coastless seeds.
	Coastless seeds.
	So there's the scam for you.
	Just wanted to make sure you understood it.
	And note that we spotted this three years ago.
	Three years ago.
	When it first showed up.
	Well, you could sniff it out.
	It just didn't make any...
	In science in particular, there's this thing about making sense.
	Yeah.
	And also breakthrough technologies and batteries and fuel cells, there is none.
	I mean, it's all fine-tuning what was invented in the 1800s.
	Yeah, thank you.
	It's been around since the 1800s.
	Would you please explain that this so-called fuel cell technology has indeed been around since, well, late 1800s?
	Throughout the 1800s, but late 1800s.
	And the one, for example, the ones that the technology that's used in hydrogen cars.
	Oh, and by the way, whatever happened to hydrogen cars and the hydrogen economy?
	Where did that go?
	Well...
	So anyway, so the fuel cells that were...
	We're not going to be in these hydrogen cars.
	And I've driven most of the hydrogen cars with the prototypes that were around.
	And they're horrible.
	And it's not like it's kind of cool to have a car running on hydrogen, but they all work on the same technology.
	It's a weird fuel cell.
	And they run rough, right?
	No, no, they run fine.
	It's just they scream.
	Oh, really?
	Oh!
	And apparently you can't do anything about this.
	They have a high-pitched squeal that I think would be banned if there was a city full of these cars.
	There'd be people with blood coming out of their ears.
	Okay.
	And they still can't get enough hydrogen in one of these tanks because you want to go 300 to 400 miles on a charge or a fuel cell or a tank of gas or something like that.
	And they had to finally get these things to get close to 300 miles.
	They had to use a tank technology that resulted in the hydrogen gas...
	At 10,000 pounds per square inch in the tank.
	Nice.
	Which means that a rupture would blow the car to smithereens and everybody nearby.
	That would be so exciting, wouldn't it?
	The I-35.
	And I was talking about the...
	It has an actual word.
	What's the word?
	The wood-burning car is gasogene, I think is what they used to call it.
	Yeah, gasogene.
	In World War II, there were tons of cars.
	And if you just Google wood-burning car...
	Yeah, they were all over Europe.
	Oh, my God.
	And some of them are really beautiful.
	And there's just tons of cars that have these big burners on the back with burning wood driving around.
	This has to make a comeback.
	Well, it's getting there.
	A lot of people sent me tons of links to 10 kilowatt wood-burning generators, which I really appreciate that there's people making these, but maybe next time I have a spare $35,000 laying around, I'll get one of those.
	I really would like just a homebrew deal in the pickup truck.
	And there's tons of guys who have done it.
	You're in the right part of the country.
	Those Texans like to weld.
	They like to weld and we...
	What are you eating?
	I'm just eating a lozenge.
	I see your throat hurt.
	You need a lozenge for your throat.
	I have a mild cough.
	Anyway, I would like to wrap this up by telling the peoples of Europe that we are not burning up alive.
	Yeah, it's warm.
	And I don't know what this bull crap is that they're selling people in Phoenix.
	They have grounded flights in Phoenix.
	Saying that because of the heat, the aircraft cannot take off properly.
	I happen to know a few things about aircraft.
	What is the problem with it?
	I've heard this before that it's sometimes difficult to take off if it's too hot.
	Yes.
	Well, the air density definitely changes and you have less lift.
	So this can be obfuscated in a number of ways.
	Longer runway is a good one.
	But I think Phoenix is plenty long for what they're doing.
	I'm pretty sure that you can solve a lot of this with your weight and balance.
	So there might be some flights that might be a challenge, but the difference between 100 degrees and 110 degrees is not the difference between taking off or not taking off.
	I think something else is going on here.
	And this is what we learned when we were on our last Hot Pockets tour, and we went up to Wichita, and we stayed with our buddy there, the dunebugygolfcarts.com?
	Oh yeah, our dunebuggy guy.
	Yeah, our dunebuggy guy.
	And he told me that the...
	Whatever happened to him?
	No, he's still selling dunebuggies.
	He sold a couple.
	Remember he sold some to some A-Rabs?
	Yeah, vaguely.
	And he told me that the big problem with the planes that they're building now, the composite planes, the plastic planes, is they start to melt around 130 degrees on the tarmac.
	I'm thinking something else is going on.
	I'm thinking that the planes that can take off are the ones with sheet metal and rivets, and the ones that have a problem, they have to move them into the hangar because they become unsafe.
	And it's 140 degrees in Phoenix, is it not?
	I don't know, but I know the ground temperature gets way up there.
	Yeah.
	It's horrible, that place.
	And you think they put coverings over their parking lots and things?
	No.
	You go to some strip mall in Phoenix, you park your car outside, five minutes later you can't get back in the car.
	You have to open, you leave the windows open and you have to kind of reach in without burning yourself.
	Start the engine and turn on the air conditioner while you stand outside until the car cools off enough because you can't even touch the steering wheel.
	Yeah.
	And you'll get third degree burns if you sit down.
	It's horrible.
	Yeah, well, yeah.
	There you go.
	That's what it is.
	Hey, let me say in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	In the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	In the morning to all ships at sea.
	Boots on the ground, feet in the water, subs in the air, and all the dames and knights out there.
	Yes, indeedy.
	How y'all doing?
	And in the morning to our human resources in the chat room.
	Noagendastream.com, Noagendachat.net already bickering and fighting amongst each other.
	Great.
	I love it.
	You get new people in the chat room like, Daddy, hold on what he's talking about!
	And then people go, Adam is a rated helicopter pilot!
	He knows what he's talking of!
	It's funny.
	Yeah, it's always that way.
	I've always noticed that when you come into, or somebody runs into you in a media market, so you're presenting your information, and a lot of people have the backstory, what you know, what you don't know, what your opinions are, where your prejudices lie, your bigotries, and all the rest, and it's all factored in.
	And you get some newbie who comes in, and they're usually blowhards.
	And they start trying to lord it over a group of people that are insiders, essentially.
	And then they usually get shouted down and they have to shut up, slave, for a while.
	And then they finally get a clue and then they're allowed to discuss things.
	So I'm reading, I'm looking at I've got a bottle of, and this is just an example of how this kind of works in more serious venues.
	So I'm checking out, I'm going to auction off some of my wine collection.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
	Hold, stop, hold the front door!
	What?
	You're going to auction off some of your wine collection?
	Now, you can't just pass by that comment just lightly.
	Yeah.
	Whoa!
	Hello!
	I'd like to be in...
	How can I get in on this?
	You don't own any of it.
	No, but I want to help you.
	How can we get in?
	No, no, no.
	You just give it to an auction house or one of these places.
	Do you have a collection that you can give to an auction house?
	Is the kind of collection you have?
	Like Christie's?
	Yeah.
	I get Christie's stuff.
	So it's hard times, huh?
	Well, yeah.
	That's exactly right.
	That's why you've got to sell the wine.
	That's heartbreaking.
	You have to turn over your wine anyway because you're never going to drink it.
	It's heartbreaking to hear this.
	This is your collection.
	You are an archivist.
	This is not normal.
	You can't archive wine forever.
	Okay.
	So anyway, I'm noticing I have a bottle which I actually received under interesting circumstances of Hennessy's Richard.
	And I didn't realize, I always knew it was on par with the, I didn't realize what it's worth because the Chinese have been screwing up the cognac market.
	Yes.
	So I'm reading about this, about what this thing's worth and I'm reading about the Hennessy operation and the master taster and the people and how they do tastings because the thing about cognac is it has to taste the same taste.
	The Hennessy XO from 1950 has to taste the same as the Hennessy XO from 2020.
	It's got to all taste the same.
	You have these master tasters who can blend so you have this consistent product.
	So when you buy a bottle of it, you know you're going to get the same thing.
	You're always going to...
	Well, yeah, that's what you're paying for.
	It's not cheap.
	What you're paying for, exactly.
	But they're always bringing people in.
	The main taster, the guy who's, I think, insured for $5 million and then there's two or three of these other guys.
	He has the most expensive tongue in the business.
	It's a nose, mostly.
	As they bring these guys in, I just was reading about this, and the guy says, when you're one of the newbies, you're brought in for the first time, you're brought in to the Taste and Click, and you cannot speak for 10 years.
	Really?
	That's your nondisclosure?
	No, you can't speak at the meeting.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	For 10 years.
	Wow.
	You shut up.
	Shut up.
	And listen.
	Sit down and watch the experts do their thing.
	Wow.
	And then you can say something in 10 years.
	That's the way the chat room should be.
	A long way to go, but I like it.
	10 years.
	Okay, I'm going to write this down.
	We have a 10-year moratorium.
	I would like to point out one other thing.
	Ladies and gentlemen, you have just witnessed a Black Swan event.
	JCD selling his wine collection is an economic indicator of...
	I'm not selling the entire collection.
	There are wines in the collection.
	And I'll just tell you what the deal is.
	I'm not saying the world's going to burn, but this is clearly...
	You cannot afford to drink these wines.
	That's the problem.
	John, this is an economic indicator of epic proportions.
	It might be.
	This is the tipping point.
	Well, for my collection, I hope.
	When is the auction taking?
	Are you doing this on eBay?
	No, no, no.
	No, there's these auction houses that specialize in wine.
	There's places that buy and sell wine.
	There's a huge infrastructure for selling your wine if you have the right wine to sell.
	The right wine to sell, for example, would be my...
	I have a bottle, just a single magnum, two bottles of Latour 1990.
	Can I guess the price of the Latour 1990 without Googling or anything?
	Because I've had Latour...
	And I would say that's going to be about, I would say $2,000?
	Yeah, probably something like that.
	Might be more.
	Because Latour 90 is considered one of the greatest Latours ever.
	And you only have one?
	I have a bottle, which I'm keeping, and I have a Magnum.
	It's the Magnum I'm selling.
	Can I come over one day and we'll just go crazy, run around naked, and drink the other one?
	No.
	Just straight out of the bottle?
	It's a nice thought, but it's not going to happen.
	Okay.
	Well, I can dream.
	You could drink a bottle of something, I'm sure, one of these.
	Oh, here it is.
	Here's the 1990 Latour Bordeaux Magnum from Colt Wine.
	Are you still there?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, I'm on the floor still realizing what has happened here.
	There's two of them available for $2,500.
	That's close.
	That was close.
	Yeah, that was actually a good guess.
	I can't afford to drink a $2,500 wine.
	No, duh.
	I just can't.
	No, of course not.
	Of course not.
	But somebody else can, so they can have it.
	Well, I'm sad.
	I'm sad for you because I wish we could hang around and drink $2,500 bottles of wine.
	We can't afford it.
	That would be a nice life.
	And the hookers are getting cheaper.
	And better looking.
	And better looking.
	This is Dvorak's Law.
	So that's not going to happen.
	However, we do have people to thank who keep us on a fine diet of mac and cheese as we continue to get by bringing you the best podcast in the universe.
	Value for value is our motto.
	And we're going to thank the executive producer.
	We have producers today and associate executive producers for show number 526.
	And they, by the way, get a double producership.
	That's correct.
	Because these people will all be producers on the July 4th show, which will be coming up this next Thursday, when we're actually working, probably the only people in show business that work on July the 4th.
	Wait a minute, we're in show business?
	Except for the guys who are on these microphones saying, and now it's fireworks demonstration.
	Hey, dude, we are two donation segments away from being that guy.
	Isn't it beautiful?
	And now from the 7th School District.
	And by the way, tonight's fireworks are coordinated with 95.5 FM. Yeah, we've got that going on here.
	Yeah, of course.
	David Foley, the Black Baron of Silicon Valley, came in with $630.13.
	Lost Cats, California.
	Nice.
	In the morning, keep up the great work.
	You can only be found here on the best podcast in the universe.
	Please send some of that good N.A. karma my way from David Foley, the Black Baron of Silicon Valley.
	Here it comes.
	A heap full of karma for you, my friend.
	You've got karma.
	H.J. Schmidt.
	In Utrecht.
	Utrecht.
	Utrecht.
	This is so nice to have our Dutch producers, but I didn't get a note.
	Did you get a note from HJ? I didn't see one.
	I didn't see one either.
	34567.
	Also, good old Dame Francine Hardaway came in to help us out.
	She's in Half Moon Bay, California.
	33369.
	Wait a minute.
	Baroness Von Stealth.
	Wait a minute.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	What?
	Did she just hammer out a magic number and a swazzle enough?
	Yeah.
	Nasty girl.
	Baron Von Stealth mode here when you...
	Baroness.
	Baroness, sorry.
	How about some cooling karma for Phoenix where it's 120 degrees?
	Yeah, here we go.
	We're going to give you some karma and some rain sticks.
	You've got karma.
	You've got karma.
	There you go.
	Ryan Bemrose in Everett, Washington, 3-3-3-3-3.
	You know, I think that he may...
	This came in through the time payment system of one of the banks.
	So he may actually be donating 3-3-3-3-3 routinely.
	Really?
	Wow.
	That is fantastic.
	So we have to look into Ryan and find out what's going on.
	Robert Hagridis in Spring, Texas.
	Hold on.
	He sent me a clip.
	Call me sir, goddammit.
	$300?
	He's a knight.
	You have to call him Sir.
	Sir.
	Sir Hegedus.
	And he got his note?
	I didn't see his note.
	It says, email note.
	Oh, I thought the email note...
	Yeah, the note had the clip on it.
	I got the same note you did.
	It said, here's a clip I want you to play.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Nicholas, which you played.
	Yes.
	Nicholas Roth in Heron.
	Sir Robert Hagridis from now on.
	Yeah, well, hopefully we can get part of the database fixed.
	Nicholas Roth, $250 in Heron, Illinois.
	I think it's time for one of those multi-language ITM sequences.
	In the morning.
	There you go.
	So, anonymous $250 out of New Orleans, California.
	That's funny.
	We need a New Orleans, California, Louisiana.
	The way it's going, it could happen.
	Salutations.
	I've been a pre-donor since somewhere around show 350.
	Jeez.
	But it finally self-actualized to full-fledged donor.
	I write to you at 11 p.m.
	from LaGuardia Airport after a long day of getting kicked around by U.S. Airways, culminating in my flight being canceled and being told to eat mac and cheese.
	Now I'm stuck here, though luckily I found a flight home in the morning on a different carrier.
	Oh, before I forget, please toss a D-bag shout-out to the LaGuardia U.S. Airways staff.
	That treated us all so poorly and shots of karma for me and my similarly situated co-passengers.
	Alright, we'll do that in a minute.
	Okay, now in a general sense, I'm donating today because you guys work hard to produce something that I like listening to.
	The show is funny, sarcastic, satirical, weighty, well produced, and includes something that very few news programs do today.
	Lots of primary source material.
	I can't imagine how much C-SPAN you both listen to.
	Regardless of the opinions you hold, you surely must have a better grasp of current events and policy than most anyone else outside of the Capitol.
	And very importantly, your show makes keeping up with current events downright entertaining.
	Ah, there you go.
	Now, mission accomplished.
	Recently, I was late for a flight.
	I knew if I opted out, I'd miss my plane.
	Now he's got some anecdotes about TSC, and I think we've covered all we need to.
	I do want to mention that Miss Mickey, once again, went through airport security here at Bergstrom Airport in Austin.
	Said, sorry, I can't lift my arms.
	Straight through, magnetometer, no frisking, no touching.
	Good to go.
	System still works.
	Yeah, well, I'm sure it will work until we abuse it to death.
	Robert Tennant, 244-47 in New Zealand, long-time listener, Deuce Club member, 11-11 club for two years.
	Check to make sure you're still 11-11.
	This brings me to 80% of a knighthood, not bad for a cheap Kiwi.
	Long live the best podcast in the universe.
	Apparently, 1,000 people a day are leaving New Zealand for Australia.
	Why?
	Jobs.
	Oh, because they got rid of Gileard.
	Well, yeah.
	Well, there's that.
	But there's no work.
	All the oil and the gas stuff is all in Australia.
	And people are just 1,000 people a day.
	That's what my Kiwi girl here told me.
	Kevin Lacombe in Port Orchard, Washington.
	2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
	I know I told you I was sending this check...
	In the mail, but life interrupted me.
	I found out my dad has cancer, so I need an urgent cancer on top of that.
	I had my physical, and the doctor found a lump in my thyroid.
	He couldn't find it digitally, although it sure felt like it.
	I got John's email plea for help and felt PayPal was the best meth this time.
	Adam, since you can't make the show tonight in Austin, I'm sending you a link to the video of her Rachel Yamagata's recent set in Salt Lake City.
	Let me tell you.
	So he invited me to go to the show by this girl who's performing in Austin tonight.
	And here's his email.
	His email was, you know, it's not a school night because you'll be done with the show.
	You don't have, you know, some Professor Obama bot dinner lined up because you don't do those on Sunday nights.
	You know, it's perfect.
	It's right nearby.
	You're going to love her.
	There's going to be tons of lesbians in the audience.
	I'm like, oh, you're hitting all my buttons.
	But guess what?
	I can't go because...
	Why because?
	Why because?
	Miss Molly Wood is coming to visit for three days.
	Take her!
	Well, she's got her son with her.
	Take him!
	And this...
	Hey, Eli.
	He's five.
	Eli, these women, who you'll learn to love, they like to kiss other women.
	Isn't that cool?
	Yeah, now I get a short picture of Molly Wood enjoying this.
	So I'm here alone with Molly.
	Oh, that sounds pretty risque.
	I hope I get in some kind of trouble.
	Tobiah Marks 22644 in San Jose, California.
	Retroactive donation of $333 per month.
	Oh, wait, hold up.
	I'm sorry, sorry.
	I've got to do his F cancer thing.
	Oh, yes, and also karma.
	You've got karma.
	There you go.
	That's for Kevin.
	Yep.
	Retroactive donation, 333 per month for every month.
	An agenda show has been on the air 68 months.
	I'd appreciate some indie game development karma for my new company, PlayPero, and my first game, Space Repair, Inc., for the iOS Android.
	Oh, I'll try that out.
	That sounds kind of fun.
	Space Repair, Inc.
	You've got karma.
	All right, good luck with that.
	We encourage entrepreneurs.
	Karen Edwards in Thunder Bay, Ontario, 222.
	With losing my school bus driver job for the summer, becoming a producer for the show makes sense, right?
	I was hit in the mouth last summer by your listener Richard Garrett, Thunder Bay, last summer over the pipeline so he could get credit for this donation.
	I enjoy and appreciate your show and make sure my kids listen each time so they don't become mindless robots to the media as they grow up.
	This is great.
	That warms my heart.
	Thank you, Karen.
	Let me give you a little bit of job karma.
	You deserve that.
	Bus driver?
	You've got karma.
	Hey, bus driver!
	You'll get something.
	It's funny how that works out.
	In Foothill Ranch, California, 21212.
	No comment.
	And then we got a long note.
	Making up for it is Roy Pingle in New York, 211.
	Hey, guys.
	You guys are better than myth busters.
	Love your deconstructions, but what do you think?
	Sometimes it seems to me that the U.S. public can pretty easily deal with the abstract knowledge that its government has the ability to spy on everyone.
	This knowledge remains a suspicion, a rumor, an idea.
	The public does not have to do anything about it except maybe use the knowledge in cafe small talk or small group discussions around conspiracy theories.
	And it goes on.
	I'm not seeing where he's headed with this.
	Keep going.
	Maybe something will happen.
	On the other hand, when the knowledge becomes concrete with documentary proof that your government is consistently...
	Oh, I see.
	What he's referring to is that we've known that this has been going on, but because Snowden came around and actually had a slideshow, because the public at large are idiots, and unless they see a PowerPoint, they don't believe anything.
	We need pictures.
	Pretty pictures with colors.
	Don't make me read.
	Now you really have to do something about concrete knowledge.
	Now you have to act.
	Very few in the US public want to be in that situation.
	Very few want to have the concrete proven knowledge that the government is criminal and that the governing authorities are criminals.
	And even fewer want to have to act on that knowledge to have to do something.
	They will not be appreciated if...
	They will not be appreciative of the person who has duly and properly provided them with the concrete knowledge to do something.
	In other words, what he's saying is Snowden's a pain in the butt because he's made everyone actually aware so he should be hung up and so should Greenwald.
	No, I read it differently.
	That's the way I'm reading it.
	No, the way I read it is you and I are the ones who are going to be hung up.
	Well, we're minor players in this Greenwald thing.
	Yeah, peons, I tell you.
	Yeah, peons.
	And all we do is just, we're just, I don't know what we do.
	Brian Newman, $210 in Cincinnati, Ohio, without comment.
	And finally, Wesley Young, $200 in Warren, Pennsylvania.
	I want to thank them and all the other donors we'll mention later that came in to help us on the Sunday show to beat the Thursday show, which is very poor, by the way.
	Yeah, but this is great because everyone who came in today gets the double producership.
	And I think with this trick that you blatantly played on everyone, this trinket you hung out for everyone.
	I think these producerships are worth their weight in gold.
	A little bit of mirror magic.
	Yeah, well, it's good because...
	We have a huge list on the 4th.
	And by the way, everyone who donated on Thursday will be on the same list.
	Same list.
	Thank you so much.
	Yeah, I want to remind you to go to Dvorak.org slash NA, channeldvorak.com slash NA, noagenda show, noagendanation.com.
	There's a donate button.
	And we do have a show coming up on the 4th of July where the two of us...
	The only two in show business will be working on the 4th of July.
	Which proves we are actually in show business.
	This is the part I like the most about what you're saying here.
	And yes, please go to...
	Now, I want you to close your eyes...
	No, no, John, please.
	Don't notice.
	I'm doing some programming here.
	Oh, okay.
	Go.
	I'm going to close your eyes.
	Okay.
	Now, I'm going to ask you to open your eyes, and I want you to look.
	The first thing that you see, I want you to realize.
	So if you're in the car, it may be a stop sign.
	It may be a traffic light.
	It may be a car in front of you.
	Just whatever it is.
	Okay, ready?
	Ready?
	One, two, three, and open.
	Okay, now hopefully every single time you see the stop sign, you'll think of that song.
	Why would you want somebody to think of that song?
	I want them to think about it a lot.
	Did you hear the song?
	No, it's all breaking up.
	It's all breaky.
	Five, three, three, nine.
	Three, three, nine.
	El Cerrito.
	What's the zip code called?
	945-3-0 339 El Cerrito Well, that reminds me.
	I'm caught again the other day with D.D. Dinah hitting me.
	Oh, no.
	I think they're beaming it into the house.
	Thank you very much, Ryan Santangelo, for bringing us that.
	And thank you all very much.
	And, of course, you can always go out and help us by, well, propagating our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Water! Order!
	Shut up, stranger!
	Shut up, slave!
	Yay, yay, yay!
	Wow.
	It's a good group.
	Good group.
	Yeah, very good group.
	Thank you.
	Those, of course, are also official credits, which means they are good in the world of show business.
	You can use it anywhere.
	You can flash a card.
	Excuse me.
	Executive producer.
	I have a question.
	Ask Adam.
	Okay.
	Do I need to play the jingle or do you trust me?
	The jingle we don't need.
	Are you sure?
	Does she have a new one?
	No, no, no.
	I have the short one.
	Okay.
	Play this.
	This is a clip we've had before, and we're going to play it again.
	Play that Clapper Says No Way.
	Okay.
	You know, Clapper, I think, is with a C, but I'll let you slide today.
	Jesus Christ.
	So, what I wanted to see is if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question...
	Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?
	No, sir.
	It does not.
	No data.
	Not wittingly.
	There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly.
	Baby, it didn't happen wittingly.
	It just kind of slipped up a little bit.
	I'm sorry.
	So, the question for you is, why isn't this guy brought in front of Congress on charges of perjury?
	Well, that would make no sense.
	He perjured himself.
	He lied.
	That was a lie.
	It was a blatant lie.
	He admitted it later.
	Yeah, well, I mean, do you expect me to have...
	I'm just wondering why, because they threw Martha Stewart in jail.
	Yeah, for less.
	For less than this.
	This is right in front of Congress, a bold-faced lie.
	Yeah, but clearly...
	Why is there contempt of Congress?
	I'm asking you.
	Tell me.
	Explain it to me.
	I'm just trying to understand from my constitutional expert here, you.
	Well, thank you very much for recognizing my years of study.
	This is, of course, because birds of a feather flock together.
	They're all criminals and crooks.
	And they're not going to make any stink.
	All they need to do is just, you know, kill a celebrity or, you know, bring...
	Hey, call up The Globe and tell them that Michael Jackson, like, had sex with 25 kids.
	That'll keep them busy for a while.
	Because they're all criminal.
	That's why.
	This is what's going on.
	Constitutionally, of course, they should be thrown out.
	We should have pitchforks and shotguns, and we should be on the mall in Washington, D.C. We should be calling for their heads to be chopped off.
	But again, the nature of show business is just too appealing.
	We are distracted by way too many things.
	The New York Times, did you read the opinion piece by any chance?
	That came out yesterday.
	I was blown away by the New York Times saying it is criminal.
	The Obama administration has overstepped their constitutional boundaries.
	Yeah, of course I read this.
	And they said, but the American public just goes, and the New York Times wrote, the American public goes, meh.
	Meh.
	That's the word they used.
	The word they used in the article, the New York Times.
	Yeah.
	So there's your answer.
	Meh.
	United States of America.
	No, but it's very important that Lindsay Lohan finds justice.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Of course.
	I like that.
	The United States of America.
	That's who we are.
	Did you see, by any chance, John, the interview with Charlie Rose and MI5?
	Okay, well, MI5 is, of course, The Guardian.
	The Brits...
	It hit me when I saw this.
	And you've really got to get on the Charlie Rose tip.
	Because people think that they're talking to an elite audience who go on the show.
	And Charlie Rose thinks that he's asking all the right hard elite questions.
	Well, we've tracked him before and we find him asking a lot of leading questions.
	Oh, he's totally...
	He's a handler.
	He is a handler.
	But what's interesting is that people...
	Say things that never...
	It's like an insider's club.
	Charlie Rose is almost as hard to watch as C-SPAN. He is in the level of paint drying when it comes to this show.
	So now he has the two editors on from The Guardian.
	And the first thing that strikes me is, oh my god, this whole thing, this Snowden thing, which of course we know there's messaging, there's fractions warring internally.
	This is, you know, this is the MI5 has been setting us up for this, and I'll play just a little bit of these two Brits, and it just makes you sick to your stomach that, what are these, go away with the Brits already!
	Just get out of our country!
	I need the premise better, because you said there's no MI5 person here, though, technically.
	Technically, maybe not.
	We have two British editors from The Guardian.
	Well, I would say one is MI5, and the other is the handler who worked with Glenn, who then worked with Snowden.
	But the big reveal is coming after this little setup.
	The future remains unclear.
	Meanwhile, the revelations continue.
	Today, The Guardian reported that the National Security Agency had been collecting...
	Again, this is The Guardian.
	So, Charlie Rose doesn't even go to The Washington Post.
	He goes to The Guardian.
	America's bulk email data for a decade.
	Joining me now are the editors under whose watch the leaks became public.
	Janine Gibson is the U.S. editor of The Guardian.
	Alan Rusbridger is the paper's editor-in-chief.
	I am pleased to have them here at this table.
	Welcome.
	So my question here, and I have no more questions, what does the Guardian know?
	Maybe you'll tell me.
	Well, we have more material.
	Listen to this guy.
	Listen to what he's saying.
	Very closely to the words.
	We have more material.
	And we're doing what a news organization should do, which is to sit through it.
	And I think the reason that Snowden gave it to a news organization is he felt that this whole area of oversight, this debate about the boundaries between security and privacy, is not, he thinks, safe in the hands of the people who should be doing that.
	Right there!
	You're telling me...
	That Snowden felt that the debate, which was not going on, that the debate about privacy and security was not in the right hands.
	Uh-uh.
	That is a psychological operation this guy is playing right there.
	That is bullcrap.
	The debate came after These documents came out.
	That's not why Snowden said, oh, I don't know if the balance is right, if it's in the right hands.
	This is coming from the Guardian?
	John, am I imagining things here?
	I keep playing.
	This is interesting.
	The judicial...
	Well, I think that's the debate we have to have.
	What is this?
	What do you mean debate we have to have?
	Who are we, Kimo Sabe?
	Get the F out!
	And the debate that was suggested by the President, although I'm not sure it's a debate.
	And I think we know a lot more than we did a month ago.
	And he thinks that Congress has been misled and that the courts that are doing this are secret and are effectively rubber-stamp courts.
	That's his opinion.
	And so he's saying, here's a news organization, I will give it to you, I want you to act responsibly and put things into the public domain that you think should...
	Really?
	Really?
	He went to the, which he did not.
	We know that he did not go to the Guardian.
	He was approached by the filmmaker, Leni Rufenstahl, and whatever her name is.
	And she then went to the Guardian and to the Post.
	So this guy, he's lying.
	I think he went to the Post earlier and they just sat on it.
	Right, correct.
	It wasn't until Greenwald started doing stuff that the Post brought their stuff out.
	But it came via the filmmaker.
	Yeah, maybe.
	Whatever the case was, they were getting nowhere.
	Yeah, so this guy is lying.
	And he's saying he wanted to be in safe hands?
	What?
	There'd be none of us.
	Okay, now here's what I understand.
	Did you call him up?
	Okay, so now he's talking to the woman who is beside...
	She's moist.
	She's beside herself with how awesome she is.
	And she's Glenn Greenwald's editor.
	And so I have a little story I need to talk about.
	Well, actually, I texted him.
	Oh, you texted him, okay.
	Of course you did.
	But yes, I did say...
	I'm so modern.
	You said telephone.
	So old school.
	It is, I know.
	No, I... John, did you catch that little ditty she threw out there?
	Very good.
	Hilarious, really.
	I texted him.
	He said, we have a little story that we might want to have a chat about.
	What was the little story?
	A little chat about...
	This is how Glenn talks.
	He says, hello, love, I've got a little story to go for a checkabout.
	At that point, I understood from Glenn that he had a significant amount.
	Glenn Greenwald.
	Right.
	Yes, that he had a significant amount of...
	No, Glenn Campbell.
	What were you thinking?
	That's what I was thinking, Glenn.
	Glenn.
	That was an unnecessary interruption to make yourself look knowledgeable on the topic.
	Interviewers do this a lot.
	It's like throw out a non sequitur completely irrelevant to the...
	Everyone knows it's Glenn Greenwald.
	Greenwald, I did my homework.
	Please.
	Extremely secret material.
	It's like, Bono, oh you mean of U2? Yeah, thank you.
	And the broad, the very broad brush of what it was.
	And of course what we didn't know at that point was whether it was verified, whether we could verify the source.
	And we were communicating via phone, which, you know, as this story, if nothing else shows, that's not a great way to be communicating.
	One of the great challenges of this story has been how you can communicate with reporters in many time zones when you can't really communicate by phone.
	That's not what this story was about.
	I'm sorry.
	That was the previous story of the AP reporters being spied on.
	This is not your story, but okay.
	So he got on a plane and came to New York, and we had to look through a sort of sample.
	A sample?
	A sample?
	Was he showing, like, swatches of clothing?
	Which turned out to be the 41-page PRISM presentation.
	He looked at that and thought, well, that's quite a big story if it turns out to be true.
	Oh, interesting.
	If it turns out to be true, which of course has not really been verified and they really did no business verifying it.
	So she goes on a little bit with that.
	But here's where it blew me away.
	And I don't understand why this is not front page New York Times.
	Well, of course I do, but that would be an Ask John.
	It would be silly.
	When Julian Assange went to WikiLeaks, when Bradley Manning went to Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, what did WikiLeaks do with the material?
	Did they, A, publish everything in a fine database format so the entire world could download it and take a look at it?
	No.
	Or did they, B, Hand it over to a number of select mainstream media publications who then dissected it and talked to various agencies about what they could actually publish or not.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	How did it work with The Guardian, John?
	Well, it looks to me like it could be the same process.
	Do you believe national security of the United States has been damaged?
	I do not.
	But the question was, do you believe by publishing this, the security of the United States, the national security of the United States has been damaged?
	Her answer, as you just heard, was, I do not.
	Do you believe national security of the United States has been damaged?
	I do not.
	And we have consulted with the authorities about everything that we have published, and we've invited them with the NSA, with the White House, the DNI. Is this damaging to national security and should we...
	Is there any real reason we should not publish this?
	We've invited specific national security concerns about...
	We've let them know what we're going to publish and, you know, to the specifics of which slide of which presentation or which document on which date...
	Tell me how that happens.
	Wait a minute.
	So they called the White House, called DNI, called the NSA, said, take a look at this.
	We want to publish these slides on this date, at this time, in this publication.
	Do you have a problem?
	Because it's interesting to me.
	It's come up before with other news organizations in the United States.
	Do you go to NSA authorities, whether it's General Alexander or someone else, and say, this is what we're prepared to publish?
	What's the next part of the question?
	Well, in this situation, you're not really asking a question because you have the information.
	You're saying, I'm going to publish this.
	What's your response?
	You're saying, this is what we have.
	Do you have a specific national security concern that you would like to alert us to?
	That's a question.
	Well, yes, that is a question.
	Or we are inviting you to raise.
	And then we don't guarantee that we will agree with their interpretation.
	But what we're saying is we'd like to hear that.
	And you heard it.
	Actually, we haven't heard specific national security concerns about any of those.
	They never expressed any national security specific concerns.
	I think it's fantastic.
	Well, hold on a second.
	There's a couple that brings up a couple interesting points.
	Well, yeah.
	How about the people are going to die?
	Yeah, and Mueller's saying this is the worst disaster ever.
	And they should arrest Glenn Greenwald.
	Here is the publication saying, do you have a national security issue?
	And they didn't even answer.
	So, you tell me what's going on here.
	So, that sounds like a number of possibilities.
	One, all the information is bullcrap.
	They're doing a lot more, and this is just a smoke screen to make it look like they're not.
	Could be testing the waters.
	We could have this phony slideshow, maybe only has the five slides, and they're testing the water to see how the public reacts to this, and if the public is good with it.
	Fine.
	Throw the switch.
	We'll just put everybody in a database and we'll spy on everybody 24-7.
	Who cares?
	It's funny you say that, John, because on my favorite show, Aaron Burnett had our favorite guy, Wes Clark, known as the Wes Clark Seven, and it's like you're taking the words right out of his mouth.
	Everything he was going to release that was a problem was done at the beginning, but then he said I'm worried about things he may still have.
	So which is it?
	Well, I think the fact is that the way it came out at the time of the summit meeting with the Chinese president, it was hurtful.
	But, on the other hand, there may be some more stuff behind it, but the truth is people know what's in there, and the American people are solidly behind the PRISM program and all that's going on.
	The American people want protection.
	And most people say, look, if that's what it takes, I'm happy.
	So I think the president's on very solid ground here.
	Let it work out.
	Edward Snowden's going to disappear from the pages of history.
	I love that little pause.
	He's going to disappear from the pages of history.
	So now you can put the New York Times into context.
	They are not on your side.
	They are part of the, oh, everyone's fine with it program.
	That's what's going on here.
	It is to marginalize any dissenting voice saying, excuse me, you're clearly not with the majority.
	You're not with the cool kids.
	Everyone's fine with this.
	Everyone's fine.
	Clearly, America is behind prison.
	That's what he just said!
	And then Erin Burnett goes, yeah!
	She said yes, she's in total agreement.
	Because, you know, she's a Council of Foreign Relations member.
	Yeah, oh yeah, and of course the President has to downplay it just a little bit.
	I think that was the funniest line I heard all week.
	I'm not going to be scrambling jets to get a...
	29-year-old hacker.
	I love that.
	I'm keeping that because this is in the same, to me, in the same line as this one.
	Because it hasn't happened yet, but it will.
	Imagine boarding a train in the center of a city.
	No racing to an airport and across the terminal.
	No delays.
	No sitting on the tarmac.
	No lost luggage.
	No taking off your shoes.
	Little shoes!
	Ho, ho, ho!
	Yeah, okay.
	We're lining them up.
	There'll be more like that.
	And then his dad comes out.
	Snowden's dad.
	Yeah, this was interesting.
	You got his dad?
	Okay, well, this is not his dad.
	I don't know who this guy is, but you're a father.
	Your kid screws up.
	They'll say J or J.C. They screw up.
	And big time.
	And let's just leave out of the equation whether you're conflicted about whether the kid did the right thing or not.
	This is not how a father talks.
	And we update the story of Edward Snowden as a family member of the former intelligence contractor.
	Also note family member.
	Spended him on national television this morning.
	Ray Suarez reports.
	At this point, I don't feel that he's committed treason.
	The father of former CIA contractor Edward Snowden told NBC News today his son is not a traitor.
	He has, in fact, broken U.S. law in the sense that he has released classified information.
	And if folks want to classify him as a traitor, in fact, he has betrayed his government.
	But I don't believe that he's betrayed the people of the United States.
	This is unbelievable to me.
	First of all, the guy is a talker.
	He's spoken on television or he's spoken before a microphone or before media.
	I don't know too much about him.
	I haven't put a lot of research in, but I saw this and I'm like, that's not his dad.
	That's not his father.
	I don't care what you're saying.
	That's not how parents speak.
	That's not how they act around their children.
	Your thoughts, Johnson Dvorak, child behavior specialist.
	I'm 100% with you on this.
	Well, he did break U.S. law.
	I mean, nobody would say that.
	Generally speaking, especially in some situations, he didn't do anything wrong.
	I mean, there's a million ways of doing this, but you don't come out with a statement like, he broke U.S. law, I know.
	I am programmed to talk this way.
	But it was like...
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think he may be an actor.
	I'm thinking total actor.
	Lonnie Snowden also told Attorney General Eric Holder he believes his son would voluntarily return to the U.S. to face espionage charges if the Justice Department promises not to hold him before trial or subject him to a gag order.
	Snowden himself remains out of sight.
	His passport has been revoked by...
	This is another thing that's bothering me about this story.
	This continuous...
	His messaging, and this is where I think we get into the messages that are being sent with all this, his passport has been revoked.
	What, did it blow up?
	It burned in midair?
	When you go to, like, Russia, it's like, I mean, what does it mean?
	Well, there's a couple of things.
	I thought about this, too, and I thought it was very strange.
	If I'm in South America with an American passport and going from country to country, I just go from country to country.
	They look at the passport.
	They look at you.
	They stamp it.
	You're done.
	They're not hooked to the U.S. database.
	They're not hooked to any database, generally speaking.
	But even if they are, what do they care?
	Yeah, they don't care.
	The revocation...
	This passport's no good.
	Revocation means...
	Your money's no good with us.
	No, I think it means...
	It's like the PayPal thing we have.
	Yeah, well, I think it's worse.
	Well, let me consult the Book of Knowledge while you give your opinion.
	I'm just saying that in the PayPal case, apparently we're killing people's passports to pay us.
	Anyway, it was a minor point.
	I can't really go on about it.
	What does it mean when your passport revocation, I guess, would be the word.
	What does passport revocation actually mean?
	I don't know.
	What does it mean?
	I don't know how you even do it.
	In fact, if you're in court and you're a flight risk, they take your passport.
	That's the only way you can keep people from using a passport.
	I have it here.
	51.65 of USCIS.gov's, whatever they call it, notification of denial or revocation of passport.
	A. The department will notify in writing any person whose application for issuance of a passport has been denied or whose passport has been revoked.
	The notification will be set forth, the specific reasons for the denial or revocation, and if applicable, procedures for review are available.
	An application for a passport will be denied or treated as abandoned if an applicant fails to meet his or her burden of proof.
	It doesn't say anything about what this means.
	I think it means you can't come back into the country.
	It has nothing to do with traveling around the world.
	And revoking, it sounds like his passport flew out of his bag.
	You have no passport now all of a sudden.
	He still has a passport?
	This is messaging, and I'm not quite sure if it's really intentional, but it feels like it.
	No, I am 100% with you on this.
	It feels like it because I noticed this meme coming up over and over.
	Oh, his passport was revoked.
	Oh, how can the Russians let him go?
	His passport was revoked, obviously.
	They have no concern for the rule of law.
	By the way, our economic hitman has some...
	Stuff coming in on the Syrian situation.
	Ah, nice.
	And apparently, according to his people, or his milieu, Syria has long since, I don't have all the details, but has long since been a proxy war.
	Not about pipelines, but pipelines are part of it, but there's even more to it than that, but it's a proxy war with the United States and Russia using Syria as the, you know, and the Chinas.
	Ah, then drugs must be involved.
	I don't know, but there's something going on.
	He was in there.
	You sent it from the phone.
	He's on the move.
	I don't know where he's going.
	Really?
	He's always on the move.
	Wait a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	You didn't answer the call, did you?
	It wasn't a call.
	Did you turn on the scrambler?
	How did he get in touch with you?
	It was a text message over his iPhone.
	Oh, no.
	I figured they'd just do this routine.
	Did he use code?
	No code.
	No code?
	Oh, God.
	No, you're kidding me.
	No, this is fine, because it's only apparently if you're using encryption, the latest word is...
	Mr.
	D.C. Vora!
	Open up the door, Jebediah!
	Now!
	Jebediah!
	Jebediah.
	Yeah, if you use encryption or Tor, then you actually are targeted.
	Yeah, because you must have something to hide.
	That's right.
	That's exactly it.
	Oh, I had a jingle for that, too.
	Hold on a second.
	Where is...
	Oh, my goodness.
	Wow.
	I have so many cool jingles to play.
	First, let's do this one.
	Someone tell me where the hell is snowed in.
	Someone tell me now 'cause I need to know.
	Need to know.
	Could you hear that over the Skype?
	It was hard to understand.
	Oh, someone tell me where the hell is Snowden, because I need to know.
	I need to know.
	It was a little bit muffled.
	Am I overmodulating on the back channel?
	No, no, it was coming through clear as a bell.
	It's just that it was muffled.
	Oh, okay.
	As a production thing.
	I don't think it's usable.
	Well, it's not.
	I mean, you know, this is our producers.
	You know, they just throw stuff together.
	Yeah, like this one.
	It's David Bowie sending in some tracks for us.
	It's time you really pissed the song.
	Tell the people all the secrets.
	Secret, secret, secret, secret.
	Now the drones are coming for your eyes Cause you've been back And you You're not playing by our rules.
	Well intended.
	Yes.
	So, I just said the word so.
	Good.
	Caught myself.
	That's a positive sign.
	I caught myself saying amazing a couple of times.
	Not today.
	No, no.
	I mean at the dinner table.
	Oh.
	Except to the point that we got the dinner table.
	Oh, I know.
	Mickey and I are catching each other on it now.
	So, so, so, so, so far, la, ti, do.
	Where were we?
	That we're all going to a hell in the hand basket.
	South Carolina's Lindsey Graham was among the Republican supporters.
	You will be paying taxes.
	You're going to have the pleasure of getting to know the IRS like the rest of us.
	Welcome to America.
	That's right.
	I just want to make sure we got that in there.
	Welcome to my show.
	So I think that Anderson Pooper is kind of on the Snowden side of the equation because I'm kind of keeping tabs on these guys.
	What do you mean on the Snowden side?
	Sorry?
	What do you mean on the Snowden side?
	Well, he's on the Snowden Glenn Greenwald side because he had Greenwald on.
	Is he playing the gay card?
	No, no, he's not.
	Oh, I didn't think of that.
	Could be.
	Well, he definitely is defending Greenwald.
	I have a couple of clips that talk about the real sleazeball, which is Peter King, who apparently accused Greenwald of threatening the country by, he says he was going to out all the CIA agents around the world.
	Oh, about time.
	And I never said that, but Peter King says he should be jailed immediately.
	And so this was kind of upsetting to Greenwald.
	Is this King Part 1?
	Yeah, play King Part 1.
	You get a little feeling for it.
	On Fox News, he went even further when he was talking to Megyn Kelly.
	He said that Glenn Greenwald, who writes for The Guardian, should be prosecuted also because he threatened to reveal the identities of CIA agents and other personnel operating around the world.
	We've researched this.
	We found absolutely no evidence that Glenn Greenwald has ever said that.
	And in fact, we're going to talk to Glenn Greenwald right now from The Guardian.
	Hey girl!
	So Glenn, Congressman King is saying you are threatening to disclose names of CIA agents and officers and other personnel around the world and says that's a direct attack on America and that's a reason why you should be prosecuted.
	I haven't found any quote where you have threatened this.
	And the congressman's office hasn't responded to our request for proof you actually said this.
	So just for the record, have you or are you threatening to disclose the names of CIA agents and officers around the world?
	Yeah, the reason you haven't found that, Anderson, is because it doesn't exist.
	I was really staggered that a United States congressman, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, actually could go on national television and make up an accusation, literally fabricated out of whole cloth.
	Really?
	You were stunned by this, Glenn?
	Stunned?
	He plays a good what?
	Stunned that this can happen?
	Really?
	You were just flabbergasted?
	I think he's doing it for a guy who may have been set up for this whole thing.
	I think he's been playing this better than I could.
	He's handling it well.
	He's not flustered.
	I would have been so done by now.
	I'm like, okay, I've done the...
	Look, act one, two, and three are over.
	Yeah, no, he's hanging in there.
	It's like this is more than 15 minutes of fame.
	Now, the one that really got me, and I've actually corresponded with some...
	People about Sorkin, Andrew Ross Sorkin, who's on CNBC, another journalist from the New York Times, saying that Greenwald should be prosecuted or maybe arrested, which is a funny thing for a journalist to say about a journalist.
	I mean, David Gregory.
	No, it's an outchip.
	It's an outrage.
	It is an outrage for any journalist to talk this way.
	You're not a journalist if you say that.
	And I want to play these two clips because first he says this and the next day apparently he got a lot of flack from everybody and so he apologizes.
	And the reason that I want to play the apology is because there is no apology.
	I think it's one of the great things to deconstruct.
	It's got performatives.
	It's got all the crap in there.
	And he never says, I'm sorry, Glenn.
	But play the first word he actually calls for his arrest.
	Let's talk about some of the headlines, the big one this morning.
	There is heavy security this morning at Moscow's airport today.
	National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden, yep, he's there.
	There is speculation he is planning to fly to Havana en route to Ecuador.
	The government of Ecuador has confirmed it is considering an asylum application for Snowden.
	He faces American espionage charges now after he admitted to revealing classified documents and...
	I've got to say, I feel like, A, we've screwed this up to even let him get to Russia.
	B, clearly the Chinese hate us to even let him out of the country.
	I mean, that says something.
	Russia hated us, and we knew that beforehand, but that's sort of right.
	And now, I don't know.
	And then my second piece of this, I told you this in the green room, I would arrest him, and now I'd almost arrest Glenn Greenwald, who's the journalist, who seems to be out there.
	He wants to help him get to Ecuador or whatever.
	I mean, it's almost like a whole...
	And then WikiLeaks.
	Quite a diplomatic issue as well, right?
	He's also just throwing stuff out there.
	WikiLeaks and snow cones.
	Well, he's also on the bubble.
	That show that he does, he was moved to CNBC to take over Aaron Burnett's spot.
	And the ratings have tanked.
	And there's lots of stories about how they want to get rid of him.
	So he's, I think, just grasping at straws trying to be Mr.
	Personality by saying, WikiLeaks!
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And then the panel, there are the other people that are there.
	There's one woman going, uh-huh, uh-huh, like an old black woman.
	So it's ridiculous.
	So the next day, he realizes he's an idiot for saying this.
	And so he does this apology.
	And I want you to listen to every word of this apology because he's apologizing.
	He's not apologizing.
	He says he regrets saying it.
	Just to address something that I said actually about Snowden.
	Performative number one.
	Let me address something.
	Right off the bat.
	I won't stop the clip anymore.
	I just wanted to say that I heard it right there.
	Just to address something that I said actually about Snowden yesterday in relation to that Snowden story and Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian journalist who broke the Snowden story...
	I put my foot in my mouth, and I'm sorry about this, when I veered into hyperbole and suggested that he almost be arrested.
	That was the quote, and I have to say it didn't come out right, and I misspoke.
	I'm sorry I said it that way, and I'm sorry I said it.
	I didn't realize, actually, the way I said it until later when I saw the clip.
	Just a little context, because I know there was some media around this.
	I was trying, as we did in another segment, to raise a question not about the legality of publishing the leaked information about the NSA, but About the implications if a journalist aided someone like Snowden in trying to evade authorities on the run and what that would all mean.
	And I overstepped with my language.
	Let me be clear just a couple things here.
	I believe, of course, in the First Amendment and transparency and, of course, investigative journalism, like the reports about the NSA programs.
	And I think there are fair and important questions to be asked about the government and our privacy on this ongoing story.
	story but I also think there are fair questions to be asked about Snowden himself and the role of the media but on my comment about Greenwald I regret it you know we do live TV for three hours every single day and sometimes we make mistakes say things we don't mean and we hope that when we do we acknowledge it and correct it and I wanted to do that here on this program yeah okay well Well, regretting it is something different than apologizing, I agree.
	There's something different there.
	And what is that awful music?
	If they stop the music, maybe they get some ratings.
	That's just super annoying.
	Super annoying.
	And this guy is a dick.
	He's a total dick.
	And David Gregory, who got eviscerated...
	Chip, chip, chip.
	Chip.
	Chip Gregory got eviscerated by apparently Frank Rich, who wrote, I think, in New York Magazine.
	And Frank Rich is considered the columnist's columnist.
	He is the top of the heap.
	Oh, no wonder I don't know who he is.
	Yes, of course.
	But if you were a writer, you'd know who he is.
	And he just essentially said that David Gregory is not a journalist.
	No, he's not.
	He's a clown.
	It's a douche.
	And when you play the David Gregory clip, the last show, which is the one where he's calling out Greenwald, you didn't play the second one, which was later in the show, and he's with a bunch of creeps.
	They're all in the same boat.
	Oh, you know, this is terrible.
	We know we should trust our government more.
	But I want to play this clip because this is his apology, kind of.
	And it's not an apology in any way.
	He's essentially gloating over the fact that he's gotten attention.
	You know, part of the tactics of this and part of the debate is, frankly, around journalism.
	And Glenn Greenwald referenced it when I asked him a question about whether he should or will face charges, which has been raised.
	And, you know, I want to acknowledge there is a debate on Twitter that goes on online about this, even as we're speaking.
	And here's what Greenwald has tweeted after his appearance this morning.
	Who needs the government to try to criminalize journalism when you have David Gregory to do it?
	And I want to directly take that on because this is the problem with somebody who claims that he's a journalist, who would object to a journalist raising questions, which is not actually embracing any particular point of view.
	Wait a minute.
	Did he just go meta?
	Did he just go, because you said that I said...
	Because he said that I said that I didn't say that I said it, did he really say something that I said or not?
	And that's part of the tactics of the debate here, when in fact lawmakers have questioned him.
	There's a question about his role in this, the Guardian's role in all of this.
	It is actually part of the debate.
	Rather than going after the questioner, he could take on the issues, and he had an opportunity to do that here on Meet the Press.
	What is journalism, Mike Murphy, and what is appropriate is actually part of this debate.
	Absolutely, and the great irony to me about this is this so-called whistleblower.
	Can only go to almost rogue nations to hide.
	Because anywhere there's rule of law, he'd get extradited.
	He's a felon and he's a fugitive.
	It's a bad sign for Hong Kong that has built an image of having its own independence from the PRC with its own system of law.
	That's up in smoke today.
	And that's going to have repercussions in our relationship, I think, with the Chinese.
	So we'll see what happens.
	He may wind up on the run in Caracas, but it's clear he's a felon and a fugitive, and he will not have a good life now.
	Okay, here's the...
	What do you mean?
	Sounds like a great life.
	Mike Murphy is a Republican stude, should be ashamed of himself.
	This man is not a felon.
	No!
	How do you become a felon?
	By being convicted.
	Yeah, he's not convicted.
	He hasn't even had his day in court, so how is he a felon?
	A felon and a fugitive.
	This guy should be ashamed of himself.
	This is the kind of guy that sits there on the Meet the Press show saying this sort of thing, and Gregory says nothing about it.
	You know, the so-called whistleblower is a felon and a fugitive.
	And he goes on and on, and nobody stops him.
	And the other guys around the whole table are a bunch of...
	The whole group was a huge group of douchebags, and they were just thinking they were making points with I don't know who.
	But by the way...
	Just to mention one thing, part of the show, because one of the things I do is I'm the beauty contest guy.
	I think that is what you do.
	It's what I do.
	I caught this, and we didn't report on it because it was all in Spanish, but I saw the Miss Venezuela show.
	Yes.
	The Miss Venezuela, the competition, I don't know why it was on the Dish Network, but it was.
	If Snowden has a clue, he'd go to Venezuela.
	I would say that this was the most, there were like 50 of the most, it was outrageous.
	Stunning, stunning, stunning, stunning.
	Yeah, I'll bet.
	Let me check.
	Miss Venezuela.
	Did you record it?
	No, this is like months and months ago.
	Images from Miss Venezuela.
	Oh yeah, and they're all built.
	Oh my goodness.
	Oh, wow.
	Oh, I know what I want for my 50th birthday.
	Miss Venezuela.
	Run her up.
	Who cares?
	Give me the one who got the poodle prize.
	I don't care.
	What do you call it when you last?
	I don't know.
	Do you have a word for that?
	That's Dutch poodle prize.
	It's the...
	Give me the door prize.
	It'll take anything.
	Wow.
	That's pretty amazing.
	Now Mickey's going to come home like...
	I heard that.
	I heard that.
	Is there a problem?
	No, honey.
	Anyway, so these guys are just really out the list.
	Can I make an observation about this?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Okay, so...
	Oh, God, I did a really long one there.
	That was bad.
	The American public and the European public...
	Europe is...
	Now we have Europe saying, Hey!
	Das Bildt.
	It's saying, hey, the Americans spied on EU Parliament members.
	The Dutch and the Germans and all these countries are handing over information, this one big spy network.
	Every government, the whole thing is everyone's spying on everybody.
	And the population in general is meh.
	Meh.
	They don't care.
	And meh is close to meh.
	They don't care.
	They don't care.
	You should use that.
	You've got to use that at the beginning of the show.
	Meh is close to meh.
	They really don't care.
	Okay?
	And I see things in the chat room.
	People say, hey, Snowden is waking people up.
	I'm sorry.
	No.
	No, he's not waking up anybody.
	No.
	It's not true.
	It is not true.
	And what's happening...
	Is the corporate-owned media, and the little pieces don't make up, you know, that much individually, but together, it's kind of the wall of information that, and I'll talk about it a little bit later, I want to talk about some local stuff here in Austin.
	And people don't really analyze stuff the way we do it, and they just take these bits and pieces and all these media outlets and just copy each other, and it's copying of copying, and before you know it, you've got Kanye West, and it can't be undone.
	It just can't be undone, and that's the way it is, and it's fact, and it's the truth, and that's what it is.
	And people do not care in general.
	The thing that it's uncovering for me personally, and I have a little clip here about The generals and admirals, something that I didn't really realize, what this Chip Gregory thing and all these guys, it is showing you the elite structure, the elite political, military, media, industrial complex.
	Really, it's illegal.
	You have to put the lawyers in there somewhere as well, but the politicians are kind of lawyers these days.
	And they have nothing but one big frickin' party, one big group, and it's all who's above who and who's got the bigger jet and who's got the more cars and the entourage.
	And you can see this.
	I was always under the impression until I saw this report.
	That when I grew up, it'd be like, hey man, he's a five-star general.
	I thought a five-star general meant someone, you get medals for stuff, but then you've beaten enemies with your bare hands, you've jumped out of airplanes without parachutes, you've led your men into battle.
	I thought that was like an award.
	It turns out it's a job description.
	This is General's Row, a line of luxurious mansions in a corner of Washington where some of the military's top brass call home.
	Today's Navy has nearly as many admirals as it does ships.
	There's been an explosion of perks and officers to enjoy them.
	What's it going to look like if somebody sees you staying in the Ritz-Carlton?
	You know, for four days and doing one hour's worth of work.
	The Pentagon is still struggling to reduce the number of stars, nearly a thousand generals and admirals, even as DOD civilians prepare for furloughs.
	Meanwhile, the number of enlisted soldiers and Marines is being slashed.
	Since the year 2000, the ranks of generals have been swelling, especially at the top.
	The number of three and four stars rose by 20 percent.
	The more stars, the more they earn, up to $180,000.
	And they're surrounded by an entourage of speechwriters, schedulers, and security, even a personal chef, and in some cases, their own $60 million jet.
	I get that the four-star running NATO needs a Gulfstream because he's got to have a plane to get around Europe, but he's not the only one.
	There is also Gulfstream attached to, assigned to, if you will, the Secretary of the Army, Chief of Staff of the Army, the Undersecretary of the Army, and the Vice Chief of Staff of the Army.
	Former Pentagon budget official Raymond Dubois says the Pentagon needs to stop creating expensive four-star slots for every new command.
	Did you know any of this?
	Yeah, I knew all this.
	I mean, really, when it's in your face like that?
	Well, probably nothing I think about, but yeah.
	It's out of control.
	And then take into account that you've got Nancy Pelosi flying on her own jet.
	You've got Watermelon Head flying on his jet.
	The Obamas fly two jets.
	Everyone's got a jet.
	747s, by the way.
	Everyone's got a jet.
	Everyone's got an entourage.
	Everyone's got personal shifts.
	Yeah, they make $108,000 a year plus...
	First little chef, plus a limo.
	That's just pocket money.
	Pocket money.
	Pocket money.
	Right, because they got all these perks.
	The perks are at least a million dollars a year for each one of these guys.
	And it's all one big douchebag elite circle.
	And I'm thinking, it's about time we blow up Washington, D.C. I'm sorry.
	We'll have some poor people.
	Knock on the door, come in.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	We'll have some poor people who, you know, die in the process, but really...
	Uh-oh, there it is.
	And so now, it's gotten so bad, and I have to think a lot of this is coming from the White House directly, and not from the new President Obama, the new invigorated guy.
	It's Valerie Jarrett.
	It's the Chicago mobsters, whatever connection it is.
	So first, it's like, oh, really?
	Watch what we do now.
	And they got Petraeus.
	And they screwed that guy.
	And he was a douchebag.
	He had an 18 motorcycle motorcade.
	He was part of the big thing.
	He was like, oh, you're not going to play by our rules?
	You're not going to protect our ass in Benghazi?
	Watch what we do with you, okay?
	Boom, you're out.
	And just to show everyone, just to show everyone that, you know what, you think you can get out?
	You think you can just drop out and then you're out?
	I don't think so.
	There is more tonight on a story we broke here last night.
	It's about retired Marine Corps General James Cartwright, who was this country's second-ranking military official, and how he is being investigated in connection with leaking information about a secret U.S. cyber attack against Iran.
	Now, this report, John, I want to play the rest of it.
	I don't know what you thought.
	I thought, wow, they are messaging something really big here.
	This is a message because it was the White House themselves who leaked this.
	But the message is we can screw anybody.
	Did you get that?
	No, I didn't.
	I thought you were going to play another clip.
	No, no, no.
	My question is, did you get that message from what they're doing with Cartwright, with Haas?
	No, I can't say that I did, but I think you might be right.
	Why don't you, yeah, maybe.
	I'll play the rest of the clip and then you tell me.
	Play the thing and let me know.
	Now remember, the story broke.
	NBC is taking credit for it.
	NBC is, of course, the White House.
	General Electric.
	General Electric, blah, blah, blah.
	Insiders.
	Insiders.
	NBC's National Investigative Correspondent, Michael Isikoff, continues his reporting tonight.
	General Cartwright retired from the Marine Corps in August 2011 after nearly 40 years of service.
	And Cartwright continued to serve, appointed to the Defense Policy Board, an elite Pentagon advisory panel with top-secret security clearance.
	But last January, Cartwright resigned, out of the blue, a board member tells NBC News, citing health reasons and the press of business.
	Legal sources tell NBC News that the FBI was already investigating Cartwright, suspecting him of leaking highly classified secrets about a covert U.S. cyber attack using a computer virus called Stuxnet on Iran's nuclear program.
	A Cartwright spokesman said his resignation was unrelated.
	Late today, Cartwright's lawyer, Gregory Craig, said in a statement...
	General Jim Cartwright is an American hero who served his country with distinction for four decades.
	Any suggestion that he could have betrayed the country he loves is preposterous.
	Attorney General Eric Holder wasn't talking.
	Cartwright was known as a politically savvy general with back-channel contacts at the White House, where he worked closely with top aides, even helping select the targets for drone strikes.
	But his real mark was in developing the country's future military needs in cyberspace.
	I'm telling you, this is a message.
	Nothing is going to happen to the guy, but this is a message.
	No, nothing will happen.
	Probably the message, I think you're right about what, you know, he did something.
	And I'll bet that there wasn't even, I'll bet that they actually, to get him to resign, because instead of making a stink, which he could do.
	Mm-hmm.
	They pulled out the old blackmail thing, and they probably find he's like one of those guys who probably screwing around with one of his secretaries, and the NSA just pulled his file, pulled all his old phone calls, put that brand in that program to show the connections, and say, ah, there she is.
	There it is.
	And then they went over to her and threatened her and said, look, did you screw Cartwright?
	Yeah?
	Okay, good.
	And then, you know, you shut up now.
	And then they went and they told him to...
	I mean, this is what this is all about.
	This is political.
	In fact, there was a good article in one of the online magazines about one of these old 71-year-old colonelists in the Stasi, the East German police.
	And he said two things that were interesting.
	One, he says...
	If we had this kind of capability, could we do some serious damage?
	It would be great.
	If we would have won the war.
	And then he says, this is East Germany and the communists.
	Then he says, there is no way that you collect all this information and not use it.
	He says you always use it.
	Of course.
	Of course.
	And if people don't realize that this collection of everything they do isn't going to be used against them if they want to get you.
	I mean, you obviously, yeah, most of you people listen to the show and just nothing's going to happen because they don't care about you.
	But if for some reason somebody, and it could be a bureaucrat you crossed or somebody you look cross-eyed at, they want to go after you, they'll find a way and they can just take stuff out of context and put a dossier together, have somebody following you around.
	I've had this happen.
	This happened to me.
	In the Netherlands.
	We've been through this several times.
	And they humiliated me and called me a cheat and a tax cheat and a liar and screwing my partners.
	And I went through a year of bull crap.
	And then finally, when the judge ruled that I was right, they had to publicly issue an apology.
	That was never printed, of course.
	No fun.
	Before we go into our next topic...
	Well, before we...
	Yeah, I also have one more Greenwald thing I want to do.
	Oh, sure.
	So Greenwald went, before I do it, let me preface it with this.
	And by the way, look for the cadence.
	Tell me that when you hear this woman, this is the meeting called Socialism 2013.
	Tell me when you hear this woman introducing the session in front of the audience of 2013, tell me that...
	You don't hear a cadence, a specific cadence that you've heard elsewhere, and I'll just tip it off by saying microphone, mic check, I'm sorry, mic check.
	This is the way the woman opens.
	She's up at a mic, the audience is sitting there, and she, instead of saying, hello everybody, I'm so-and-so, listen to this.
	Good evening, my name is Sherry Wolfe.
	You're welcome.
	This is the Socialism 2013 Conference, a weekend of revolutionary politics, debate, and entertainment.
	I'd be like, can't wait to hear what the entertainment's going to be like.
	So she's yelling, like, mic check.
	Mic check, mic check.
	My name is Sherry Wolf.
	I think someone actually said that when she yelled.
	I think someone said, my name, oh, whoops.
	I heard it.
	Wait, let me play the opening again.
	I think someone actually started to say it.
	Good evening!
	My name is Sherry Wolfe.
	I can hear someone go, good deal!
	I think you're right.
	Oh, oh, whoops.
	I'm sorry.
	Went too many.
	So anyway, so Greenwald was on, and I have to say...
	He was on through Skype at this meeting, and he was trying to be humorous, but he did say something that I thought was actually quite interesting, and this is it.
	Is this Cooper, King, and Greenwald?
	No, no, no.
	This is Army, I'm sorry, Army Blocks Greenwald.
	Ah, got it, got it.
	Sorry, he's a lot of journalists.
	And editors and the like have debates about what the most prestigious journalism award is.
	Is it a Polk Award or a Peabody or a Pulitzer?
	And those are definitely all prestigious awards.
	But I actually think the one that we got yesterday is a significant level above them all.
	And I'm very humbled and honored to have received this award.
	The U.S. Army announced yesterday that it was blocking access at all Army facilities across the world to the Guard and the Guard.
	Wow.
	We get blocked by Google all the time.
	Our award is bigger than that.
	Well, the point is that we have the arm of the government.
	We moan and groan about China.
	Yeah.
	The reasoning, and I've seen people have sent me, many people have sent me the notices they've received, because, and it's all part of the same charade, because some of the documents that are published in these articles are considered to be top secret.
	They have no clearance to view them.
	So yeah, we're totally China, Russia.
	This is what our immigration lawyer told you.
	We are in, we are living, seek Heil, Heil, Heil!
	We played all those clips from that caucus that was discussing with the congressional aides all these interesting issues like the 50 bogus things that never happen that prevent terror.
	One of the guys, I don't know if I clipped it or not, but one of the guys said, I know you can't read The Guardian.
	Because apparently the congressional staff...
	Can't read The Guardian?
	They can't read...
	Apparently he's blocked.
	Really?
	That's what he implied.
	Huh.
	Clark?
	Sorry?
	Clark implied that?
	No, no.
	One of these guys that were giving...
	Remember all these guys that were in front of the congressional...
	Oh, right, right, right, right, right.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The party where everyone's...
	It's stacked with all these people.
	Right, and so one of the guys implied that, I know you can't read The Guardian because of the...
	And he just casually said it.
	I guess everyone in Washington knows that.
	Because you don't have an iPhone.
	This is ridiculous.
	So you don't have an iPhone.
	You can't read The Guardian.
	Glenn Greenwald's new name is Clark.
	Clark?
	Greenwald.
	Yeah, this is a pop cultural reference.
	I don't know if you get it.
	I don't.
	Clark Griswold?
	Wow.
	National Lampoon's Holiday, Chevy Chase.
	That's a pretty old, old reference.
	Yeah, Griswold.
	I remember him.
	Yeah, Chevy Chase playing the bonehead dad.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, I guess I'll just buzz myself off for that.
	I think so, yeah.
	Before we go to thanking some of our supporters for the program, I have finally found the actual language from travel.state.gov who are in charge of your passport.
	Passport, restrictive action, and future passport information.
	Denial or revocation of a passport does not prevent the use of an outstanding valid passport.
	Passport revocation may be effected when the person obtained the passport fraudulently, when the passport was issued in error, when the passport's certificate of naturalization was cancelled by a federal court, or when the person would not be entitled to a new passport.
	The physical revocation of a passport is often difficult, and an apparently valid passport can be used for travel until officially taken by an arresting officer or by a court.
	In other words, it's meaningless.
	Wait a minute.
	Wait, it gets better.
	Revocations are coordinated with the Department of Justice and the requesting agency.
	A passport will not be revoked when the whereabouts of the bearer is unknown.
	Hello?
	Wow, now that's the price of admission.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	I'll read that to you again.
	This is from the State Department.
	Revocations are coordinated with the Department of Justice and the requesting agency.
	So that would in this case be DOJ, NSA, I presume, or DOD. A passport will not be revoked when the whereabouts of the bearer is unknown.
	When there is a passport hit...
	On an individual within the United States, based on the request, the interested law enforcement agency will be informed of the person's address so that an arrest can be made.
	So, the way they're playing this, first of all, it can't be done, according to their own rules.
	So they break their own rules, if it's true.
	So all these guys are pontificating about, well, he's lost his passport, now he can't go anywhere.
	No, it means nothing, because they're literally saying that a revoked passport means nothing.
	You can use it as a valid passport.
	So he could get out of China the way he did.
	Yes, and the only point of...
	It wasn't the PRC sneaking him out.
	No, the only point of the revocation is when you enter the United States, when you re-enter, you'll be arrested.
	And they call it a hit, literally in this document.
	When there's a passport hit, in quotes, uh-huh, that's Hillary's old gang who wrote this, I'm sure.
	So, bullshit.
	Bullshit.
	Play the bullshit.
	Yeah, I will.
	Bullshit.
	I'm going to show my salute by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	Bullshit.
	What does it take to look this stuff up?
	I did it while we were talking.
	Yeah, I know.
	You were doing something because you weren't paying much attention to me, but you're digging away.
	On a podcast.
	And you did it on the fly.
	While we're doing the show and these guys with all their staffs.
	On a podcast.
	It's not a podcast, no less.
	It's not a podcast.
	It's a podcast.
	These guys, all their staff, they can't even look something up and question.
	They're on.
	There's David Dick...
	Chip Gregory sitting there, and he could say, well, how did they revoke his passport when it's clear you can't really do that.
	Nobody asks.
	No, because they're reading the memo that comes directly from the Ministry of Truth.
	But we shouldn't...
	Proof.
	This is horrible, what situation we're in.
	In all your years, John, in all your 59 years...
	Have you ever felt this bad about the situation at hand?
	Well, there's nothing like it.
	There's nothing to compare it to.
	Well, the way you say it could be a good thing.
	So we have some people to thank for this show.
	$250 came in and says PayPal is apparently sending us money and would like to call out Google Wallet as a douchebag.
	Hell yeah!
	Douchebag!
	Villiers Strauss in Cape Town, South Africa.
	Beautiful place, by the way.
	$119.74.
	And he says, in de ogend, Adam and John.
	What?
	What does he say?
	In de ogend.
	In de ochend.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, so this is...
	Oh, that's South Africa.
	See, South African...
	Afrikaans.
	In de ochend.
	In de ochend.
	Yeah.
	He says, he agrees with that.
	He says, your recent episodes have been fantastic.
	I decided I could no longer continue to be a boner.
	Will other people please listen to this?
	I agree with Adam that Nelson Mandela has been dead for a while now.
	We're going to talk about that right after the break, by the way, because I think he...
	I'm now wondering whether he was alive or dead, but whatever the case was, Obama was snubbed.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, yes.
	Not being played.
	No one's talking about it.
	You mean people actually hitting pictures of him with their shoes?
	Did you see this?
	No.
	Oh, I've got the video.
	It's in the show notes, the video, and people carrying signs of him, and it's Obama, and the sign says, I have changed, and it's Obama with a Hitler mustache.
	Nice.
	And I'm like, they listen to our show.
	Heil everybody.
	It's beautiful.
	Could be orchestrated.
	Heil South Africa.
	The ruling ANC can benefit more from him being in critical condition than from him being dead.
	If all the slaves keep praying for Mandela to get better, they'll forget about the president's $200 million, $20 million private home built with taxpayer money and the fact that the police killed 34, not 33, but close, striking miners last year, among other scandals.
	Please call my...
	Call Jacob Zuma out as a douchebag.
	Douchebag!
	There goes our free trip.
	And we have the birthday call out on the list.
	Yes, we do.
	Onward.
	Anonymous, $100 from Randwick, New South Wales, Australia.
	We'll get some karma from him at the end.
	Richard Ballard in 7272 from Auburn, Vermont.
	Andrew Lemesney.
	I think you skipped over Sir Borislav Marinov.
	Sir Borislav Marinov.
	Sorry, Aliso Viejo, 8080.
	He's the one who needs some post-surgery.
	Since he's a sir, we'll give it to him now.
	Post-surgery recovery karma to his son, Sir Simeon Marinov.
	You've got karma.
	I'm looking out for the sirs and the dames.
	Somebody's got to.
	Andrew Lemesini in Colorado Springs.
	Uh-oh.
	Oh, sorry.
	I'm too busy looking at the dames.
	And I thought it would be over, honestly.
	69!
	69, dudes!
	And so we have a few of these.
	Michael Miller in Tiburon, 6969.
	Chris Whitten in Millboro, Virginia, 6969.
	And it looks like he's got a knighthood coming.
	Charles Walters in Schaumburg, Illinois, 6969.
	Can I stop you for one second?
	Since he's got a knighthood coming today, I think we should plug his wedding videography business.
	Whiddenproductions.com W-H-I-D-D-O-N Productions, all one word, dot com.
	There you go.
	And we close the segment.
	Oh, I barely had time to rewind the tape.
	69!
	69, dude!
	A rewind button.
	These are all cassettes and I have to stick the pencil in and manually rewind it.
	Yeah, I know how it works.
	Rolf Lehman in Vaudensville.
	Oh, he's back.
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	Rolf.
	Swiss.
	Heil Rolf.
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	Every contribution to the show is commendable.
	I want to remind the co-producers out there, there's a lot of infrastructure in the background for which must cost a lot.
	No agenda producers.
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	Fiel Sabah.
	Working towards becoming your first Arab night, Arabian night.
	So he's saying Fiel Sabah, which I believe is in the morning in Arabic.
	Fiel Sabah.
	Fiel Sabah.
	Yeah, he says like in Arabic in the morning.
	Please call out Joel Mifsud as a douchebag.
	Douchebag.
	Fiel Sabah.
	Actually, that came out from Paul Webb.
	That was Paul Webb, yeah.
	Okay, sorry.
	Well, Paul Webb called out Joel as a douchebag, and he's in Twickenham Middle Six.
	That's all we got.
	Fial Sabah.
	Of the $50 donations there.
	I just got to keep saying it.
	It's a great word.
	Great phrase.
	Fial Sabah.
	I'll be knocking on the door pretty soon on you.
	You know, you can make jokes about it, but you better hope they don't because, you know.
	Yeah, I know.
	I'm screwed.
	We're each other's ticket, baby.
	So anyway, so I want to thank them and all the people that came with lesser amounts and commentary.
	We do read all the notes, and so tell us what you think.
	You know, we discussed a lot of these people that do recommend changes, you know, like get off the air and stuff like that.
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	Stop before you kill again.
	Just give up.
	So anyway, we want to thank everyone.
	Devark.org slash NA. We do have July the 4th, and we're the only two guys I know of working on July the 4th for your benefit so you can keep up with what's going on or be disgusted by what's going on.
	I think also it's going to be kind of good because it's a Thursday, so we have a long weekend.
	Here's what's going to happen.
	No one will be listening to the show on Thursday.
	We know that.
	Well, the Eurolanders will show up, of course, because there's no change for them.
	It's just another Thursday.
	To all other countries except for the United States of Gitmo Nation, which obviously is still one of our biggest markets, Wait, wait, wait.
	You're telling me there's no July the 4th in Holland?
	Right.
	What comes after July the 3rd then?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	But what will happen is you're going to be hanging out with your friends and relatives and Friday is going to be the big day because, you know, after you're drunk and, you know, the hot dogs and everything and then, you know, you just stay overnight and then you're going to need something to talk about and what's going to come up.
	This is going to be, this whole weekend, regardless of where you are, is going to be, oh, how about that NSA spying on you?
	Meh.
	We've got another cold one over there, another And that's when you get to strike.
	I had to call AT&T today because Ms.
	Mickey, even though I had the international services set up, maybe it's because it was a new phone or something.
	It wasn't working.
	Yeah, this always happens.
	It's annoying.
	So I call.
	And the guy's like, hey, what can I do for you today?
	I'm like, oh, this morning, too.
	This is going to take 20 minutes of my life.
	More.
	He has to go through the whole script.
	How much data do you want?
	Definitely turn off the data when you're overseas.
	She's working.
	She needs to have some access.
	Tell her to get a little card over there.
	John, you can't put that into an AT&T phone.
	It won't work.
	She doesn't have an unlocked phone?
	Okay, I'm not going to play this game with you.
	Okay, go on.
	No, you know what?
	She's not a tech...
	I am her sysadmin, okay?
	Oh, so you're going to get a bill that you're going to...
	The shit just has to work.
	And let me tell you, this Apple stuff, it doesn't just work.
	It doesn't just work.
	And when you're trying to get it to work, and just for simple use of people who just want to use the device, it costs you an arm and a leg.
	All this jailbreaking, I'm not going to do that to my wife's iPhone.
	Anyway, the point is, and this whole thing, well, the data was turned off because she was there last month.
	It was turned on.
	I put a note on your account so you won't get a $1,000 bill if she went over.
	He was going back and forth, this whole rigmarole.
	And I said, well, the NSA has recorded this call, so I know that I can always sue you for lying to me.
	And he went, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
	And that's pretty much what your relatives will be doing this weekend.
	Well, they're spying on me.
	Oh, well, whatever.
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	Hand me a beer and I say, guy!
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	We really appreciate it.
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	And there's not a single show that goes by that I don't think to myself, holy crap, am I a lucky bastard.
	Yeah, I'm going to live in the mac and cheese life, but I'm a lucky bastard.
	I get to do this.
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	Yeah, and it's going to be more appreciated because I just put it in the red book.
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	Yeah, but then they promised me that they would take care of me.
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	up, it's going to cost you $5,000.
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	And Villier Strauss congratulates his brother Stein's new human resource, who apparently will be born tomorrow.
	Talk about your red book predictions.
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	Usually try to talk him out of donating since we're saving for our upcoming wedding.
	But who needs dry salmon once you've been hit in the mouth?
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	Thanks and keep up the great work from Erica.
	Somehow we missed it or whatever went wrong.
	I apologize profusely.
	And certainly when it comes to women donating on behalf of their dudes, that's always worth a little karma shout out.
	You've got karma.
	And...
	Nice today.
	Of course, part of our double producerships for us working on July 4th.
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	Onward to the baronets and subsequently baron status as you move up in the world of Sherwood Forest.
	I need to talk about something here.
	Or did you have something you wanted to do?
	I put a little thing here just to get you in a bad mood.
	Just to piss me off?
	Good.
	This will work.
	So, did you see Bill Maury?
	No.
	No, I don't watch him.
	I don't watch television.
	I don't watch television.
	I'm done.
	You're going to like this one.
	Oh, jeez.
	So play, there's actually two of them.
	There's one that's a little, that's a mild one.
	They had a climate change guy on, and it was kind of weird to listen to this clip, where Marr asks the guy, or is it too late?
	Is it too late?
	We're all going to die?
	And the guy says, no, it's not too late.
	And Marr in the background goes, oh, good.
	And it's just like, jeez, what is wrong with this guy?
	Is that the one I got to play?
	Well, play that one for, that's the teaser for the one that you're going to get a kick out of.
	He probably can achieve that if he actually implements everything he laid out.
	And he said the time, I love this quote, he said that the time for waiting for the Flat Earth Society to adjourn is over.
	That's the kind of red meat I like to eat up.
	But, you know, is it too late?
	I mean, the time he was talking about?
	No.
	No, it's not too late.
	It is not too late.
	Great.
	We absolutely have this within our power to limit climate change to horrible levels.
	It's always like, will they still have chocolate shakes at the Burger King?
	Yes.
	Oh, great.
	Okay, so now this is the one, this is going to make you...
	Mar, mar, maher.
	Mar?
	Yes, what?
	Mar.
	That's good.
	That's good.
	All right, I bring this up because besides the heroic Wendy Davis, there were two stories in the news last week dealing with teenage sex.
	And just to be safe, the Vatican issued a denial.
	Yeah, you'll get over it.
	One story was about Plan B. That's the morning after pill.
	That's the FDA says is safer than Motrin and which any American can now buy over-the-counter just like milk and ammo.
	And because it's a birth control pill, it will prevent abortions.
	Now, the other story was about the vaccine for HPV, which is the STD that leads to cervical cancer, and how that vaccine, since its introduction in 2006, has reduced teenage infections by 56%.
	All good news, right?
	Wrong!
	No, over in family values world...
	Things like Plan B and the HPV vaccine are bad because they remove God's natural-intended punishments for sluts who put asses.
	A. Being saddled with a baby you don't want or B. Stricken with a horrible disease.
	You don't think that's how these people think?
	Then tell me why conservatives always couch their objections to the HPV vaccine in parental rights.
	But never complain about other state-mandated vaccines their kids have to get.
	Why not throw a shit fit about the measles vaccine?
	Or mumps, rubella, whooping cough, chicken pox.
	because you don't get those diseases from screwing or yodeling in the canyon.
	Laugh track, by the way.
	Total laugh track.
	They do not want a vaccine for HPV because that's the good kind of cancer that makes hussies think twice about going all the way.
	That is terrible.
	Ron Paul, a fucking doctor, said this vaccine, which prevents thousands of cases of a fatal disease, was, quote, not good medicine.
	And Michelle Bachman said it caused mental retardation.
	Her source?
	The New England Journal of a lady who stopped me on the street and told me that.
	Yes, Republicans actually think this vaccine encourages girls to have sex because now there are no consequences.
	Just the way when I got my first tetanus shot, I couldn't wait to jab rusty nails into my feet.
	It was a freebie.
	I knew you'd love it.
	He is the first on the train.
	He's got a first class ticket.
	Yeah, I can't even get into how asinine...
	Hey, John, fuck you.
	Fuck you.
	I love the way the guy just...
	He takes...
	It's just like...
	It's so...
	It's like he's on Mars or Neptune with his analysis.
	This is like his analysis.
	But then the...
	And laugh track or not, the result is the same.
	The audience is like...
	And then the hatred for people who have a different opinion and the science is in and you're a moron.
	Okay, so this leads me into what he started off with, the heroic Wendy Davis.
	Yes, I knew that you'd make a new segue.
	Yeah, so thank you.
	It's almost like we planned this, which of course we didn't.
	Don't have to.
	The universe plans it for us.
	I'm still picking my jaw up from the floor after that clip.
	I'm going to recompose myself by playing a little medley of your mainstream media and the heroic Wendy Davis, state senator in Tejas.
	It was a live and unfolding political drama.
	A woman that chose to make a stand in front of her fellow lawmakers and a viewing audience that grew based on word of mouth and social media.
	It went on until the early hours of this morning in the Texas State Senate.
	And by the time it was over, a lot of people knew the name Wendy Davis.
	Our report tonight from NBC's Chris Jansen.
	The raucous cheers from the Texas Statehouse capped a long, dramatic session that had started almost 13 hours earlier.
	Democrats were fighting a bill they said would close 37 of the state's 42 abortion clinics.
	Republicans said it would make them safer and expected a win.
	Then came Senator Wendy Davis.
	I'm rising on the floor today.
	In an elegant white suit and comfy pink sneakers, the marathon began.
	Hundreds of supporters packed in the gallery and lined up outside erupted, hoping to stall the vote.
	Browning out attempts to pass the bill.
	By then, nearly 200,000 viewers had logged into a live stream of the event.
	Amid the chaos, the bill didn't get signed in time.
	An unexpected victory for a woman who had defied expectations before.
	A single mother of two who graduated with honors from Harvard Law School.
	And today, a rising political star.
	Now what I want to talk about today, because I follow this, and this of course happened over a week ago, and I've done a lot of thinking about this, a lot of talking to people, and I was trying to figure out why it bothered me so much.
	And it starts off with, I love protests.
	I love it when people get raucous, and you see the video, there were hundreds of people inside the Capitol here, the Capitol building, and yelling and screaming, and I love this.
	But I have to say, you are nothing more than a bunch of icon changers, and you're pathetic, and I'll tell you why.
	When you hear all the news reports about this particular bill, Senate Bill 5, and I have to ask you, John, what is your impression that this bill is about?
	I know you haven't read it.
	I have, of course.
	Yeah.
	What is your impression of the bill and the controversy surrounding it?
	Well, you know, this is funny because I didn't think much about this whole thing or the bill.
	So it seemed like a Texas bill.
	It was about Texas.
	And there's Wendy Davis who's gotten a little attention for herself.
	I thought she was just a publicity seeker.
	And I didn't look into it.
	Just from what I got from the mainstream media...
	Although, again, like I said, I didn't even bother with it, was that it closed some abortion clinics and they hate women in Texas or something.
	That's about all.
	That's it.
	Right.
	So the protests, and it was interesting that all of the news reports only bring up the closure of clinics and the reason why.
	And by the way, there's...
	This is a meme that has been propagated.
	There is no, to my knowledge, actual calculation of how many clinics would close.
	Someone said, oh, if you implement these rules, and the rules are certain standards for the clinics, and predominantly they have to be within 30 miles of a hospital, And therefore, a number of them would have to close, unless, of course, they, I don't know, like, improve their situation.
	So, but that's not what these people were protesting.
	That's what's interesting about this, because I'm so convinced that, and this is a lot of battleground Texas women, you know, the ones like that, the...
	Which I signed up for their newsletter and I started getting it and then the next thing you know I unsigned up because it's horrible.
	Spammers.
	Right.
	So a lot of Battleground Texas women were there.
	They were all saying men, particularly Republican men, stay out of my womb.
	And so they weren't...
	It's like, you want to control our bodies, control when we want to have an abortion, and you want to make it impossible for us to have an abortion.
	And I'm looking, okay, I have to read this bill.
	What is in this?
	Because all I'm hearing from women around me who have not read the bill, who only get their information from mainstream media, they're the fucking Republicans!
	They want to tell me whether I have a baby or not!
	Okay, you're angry.
	I get it.
	You don't like men telling you what to do.
	So the bill, it specifies very clearly, and that's part two of the bill, by the way.
	It's almost a minor part about what, that a clinic has to adhere to certain standards, which I think is kind of fair, but there's all of this pontification that because of the proximity, it'll have to be, they're going to have to close so many.
	But look, you can drive anywhere in Texas in a day.
	If you get an abortion, are we truly in the stone ages in Texas that the distance you have to drive, and people in Texas drive for days to get anywhere, that if you really feel you need an abortion, for some reason this is a problem.
	I'll give you that.
	The main part of the bill was about the, and this goes to the core, the core of the argument in America, Roe versus Wade, etc., is when is human life a lifetime?
	At what point is a life a human being, and does that human being or life have rights?
	And I was astounded to find that what was being proposed was a 20-week cutoff.
	That's five months!
	I was, wow!
	So, and this is Texas.
	I'm like, this is supposed to be the most hick, redneck, crazy-ass Republican state in the universe.
	And they're actually saying, well, if you want to have an abortion after five months of being pregnant, you've had five months, and typically you don't announce a pregnancy until three months, but then five months.
	I remember when my ex-wife was pregnant, five months, we were talking to this thing like it was a kid.
	Five months is a big deal.
	I personally feel that then there's something that has rights, but it's kind of irrelevant.
	Five months!
	And they're not saying it's forbidden.
	Not saying that at all.
	They're saying, you know, then we have to have some questions.
	You know, then there has to be some really good reasons.
	If you've been pregnant for five months, you've had five months to do this.
	Now, women get insane, at least these women, when you put any type of restriction on it.
	And I personally...
	You know, I've changed my views throughout the years.
	I'm thinking, well, you know, if you really look at pure human rights, you know, do the human rights start when you pop out of the womb or does it start earlier?
	But that's my personal conviction.
	It doesn't matter.
	The problem I have is that here are these icon changers who go there and they're supporting their mythical hero Wendy Davis and her shoes.
	You can look at the Amazon review for these shoes, like a thousand comments and one's more hilarious than the next.
	And I'm like, where is the protest for all the real outrage in this country?
	And why do I not see you come out for that?
	You come out for this, you spend 10 hours of your day hooting and hollering about something that really is very manageable, I believe, and you go home and you change your icon and you tweet Sarah Palin that she's an idiot, but do you ever complain about the other things that happen with your body and your reproductive rights?
	Do you ever protest about the fluoride and other crap they're putting in your water, which directly affects your child or can even give you spontaneous abortions, genetically modified shit in your food, chemtrails, you're being sprayed like bugs.
	And then if you do decide to have a child, Do you go out there and protest for the actual vaccinations and a-holes like Bill Maher who are telling you to stick your children with all kinds of crap that they absolutely do not need?
	Do you ever look at what really could be beneficial and what not could be beneficial?
	Well, then you send your kid to school and you give him psychotropic drugs like Adderall and all this other crap that could be in the slave training institutions we call schools.
	And then to add insult to injury because you're so...
	Apathetic about the economy and the society that you're part of and your meh attitude towards everything else except some icon-changing event.
	You allow your kids to take a job in the only place that still offers a job, which is the military, so they can get their shit blown off while fighting some other futurist kids in the fucking sand.
	Where's all the rioting and campaigning for that?
	I don't see Curry's pet peeve of the day.
	So this is the one you've been sitting on, this little rant.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Makes me mad.
	Yeah, you seem to be into it.
	I feel much better now.
	This is why I love doing this show.
	That was good.
	You got it out of your system, I hope.
	Oh yeah.
	No, it's out of my system.
	I just get a little annoyed by...
	I talked to the chicken lady at the market.
	She's pretty funny.
	She loves our show, by the way.
	And she's very no agenda.
	And she said, oh, I'm so sad that Mitt Romney didn't win.
	I'm like, are you kidding me?
	She said, oh, but then at least we'd have real protests.
	I'm like, shit.
	There's that, that's true.
	Wow, what a great line.
	I said, I gotta use that line.
	You're so right.
	We would have had real protests, people getting really angry.
	And she says, no, because, you know, you can't offend Obama.
	And which is true, and I think we should probably move on to this, now that Obama...
	Have we seen this on American television?
	Of course, it is on RT. The US president, who's on his first visit to Africa since 2009, has pledged $7 billion to help build up the shaky electric power grids of sub-Saharan countries.
	The move's been seen as an effort by Washington to step in and rival China as a key investor on the continent.
	But Barack Obama's been met by protesters, angry at unfulfilled pledges he made last time around.
	Washington has slashed aid to Africa in recent years while stepping up controversial military activity in the region.
	As anti-American protests spiralled out of control in Johannesburg, stun grenades and warning shots were fired by riot police.
	Hundreds have also been demonstrating in Pretoria and Cape Town.
	South African politician Solly Mapaila says America's pursuit of its economic interest comes at a heavy price for the continent.
	And this is what is amazing to me.
	Ah, the Russians are back!
	Yes, but what amazes me...
	So this is what Obama's doing in Africa.
	He's gone over there and said, Hello, poor Africans.
	Hello, black people.
	This is totally what he's doing.
	Hello, black people of Africa.
	You poor saps.
	I'm bringing you electricity.
	We have this thing we developed called electricity.
	So you in Ethiopia, Ghana, and Kenya, we're going to put you on this electricity stuff.
	It'll be great.
	And I'm going to use the OPIC... Yes, have you heard of the OPIC, John?
	I'm going to hear about it in a very short order.
	The Overseas Private Investment Corporation.
	Yes,.gov.
	.gov, so it's an American operation.
	Well, it's a government operation.
	Yeah, government operation.
	OPIC. Let's go straight to the board of directors of the OPIC. This is the economic hitmen are out of business.
	The government has become the economic hitmen.
	On the board, Littlefield, who's the chair.
	Rajiv Shah, he's the USAID, which is basically State Department CIA. Ambassador Miriam Shapiro, United States Trade Representative.
	But look on the right-hand side.
	Kennedy, director of Kennedy Enterprises.
	Then we have CEO of Gale Foods.
	And then we have Albright Stonebridge, Madeleine Albright.
	Those are the economic hitmen.
	Demers Blaisdell, Tory Family Office.
	What the hell is that?
	Look into that one.
	$7 billion.
	And ahead of AFSCME. So $7 billion is going to be given to American corporations to go over there and do exactly what the Chinese have been doing for years.
	Right.
	The Chinese have been doing this for over a decade.
	Yes.
	And so we come in with our drones in Djibouti, and Djibouti are the people who are protesting.
	Yeah, no wonder they're protesting.
	Yeah, they're like, dudes, we have the Chinese, we're happy.
	They built the roads, they built the infrastructure, they built the dams, a lot of them they don't finish so they can scam the people.
	And now you're coming in and showing me fire and telling me it's something beautiful?
	Fire.
	We have something called wheels.
	It's an insult.
	And there's some professional organizations protesting because you can see the signs.
	The signs are professionally made with really good American slogans.
	But the one with Obama with the Hitler mustache is hilarious.
	And what do they call him?
	Top assassin in the world.
	That was a good one.
	This is Russia.
	This is the Russians.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	We welcome the top assassin in the world.
	We're going to be on this proxy war, I think, more on this show as we become more aware of some of the details.
	And when this situation occurred in South Africa and the fact that Obama went all the way down there and was snubbed by Mandela and wouldn't see him.
	And, of course, we'll start to see memes about, well, Mandela apparently is not happy about the drones that About assassinating people, even though Mundell is dead.
	And there's going to be all this kind of messaging going on.
	The Russians are behind it all because they have given up on trying to be our friends.
	And the only good Russian is a dead Russian, John.
	What do you say?
	Yeah, it sounds right.
	This is exactly what we're going to start seeing.
	It'll be interesting the way they sneak it into the general public's mind that the Russians are enemies.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	It's so clear.
	They are starting to fool around, but just because they can't take it anymore.
	The Syrian thing was the end of the line for them.
	That was their last port.
	And have you heard about the internet cables all around Africa being cut?
	Yeah, I have heard about that.
	Like every three weeks, it's cut again.
	Yeah.
	So, who's doing this?
	I don't know.
	The problem is you've got three players.
	You've got the United States, the Chinese who are playing coy, even though they're the ones that got the biggest screwjob from us in Africa, and the Russians who just can't take it anymore.
	All right, so let's play this game.
	Go to maps.google.com.
	I did this the other day, and it just made me crazy.
	Maps.google.com, and let's just type in, just for shits and giggles, we'll just type in Israel, because that'll give you kind of a center point.
	Alright, you gotta zoom out.
	Alright?
	Excuse me.
	Zoom out from Israel.
	Are you doing it?
	Yeah, I'm looking at Israel now.
	Okay.
	Zoom out, so that's kind of your center point, and then you see...
	Okay, we start at the top left Tunisia.
	Got it.
	Then we go Libya?
	Got it.
	Then we go Egypt?
	Got it.
	Then we go Israel?
	Got it.
	Then we go Jordan?
	Got it.
	Then we go Libya?
	Lebanon?
	Just about got it.
	Then we go Iraq?
	Got it.
	Syria?
	Got it.
	Turkey?
	Got it.
	Do you see what's happening?
	Do you see this entire ring?
	All around the northern part of Africa and the western part of the Middle East, it's a total ring, a total buffer zone, which is locking out Russia and anything they want to bring from the right-hand side.
	Now, the crazy thing, if you type in 33 North, 33 East on the map, it puts you right smack in the middle of the Leviathan gas field.
	It puts me on 33 North 33rd Street, San Jose.
	You gotta do 3-3-N. Yes, that's where the Leviathan gas field is.
	That's the guy that lives there.
	That's the Mecca, right there.
	I'm telling you, you gotta find out who this guy is.
	Who is that man?
	I need to shake his hand.
	Exactly.
	So there's your proxy.
	This is global geopolitics on a global scale that most people cannot imagine because meh.
	And you should, anyone who's listening to this program, count yourself a lucky bastard.
	Because you have some understanding of what's going on in the world, despite every effort being made to deprogram you and put in new information of important things like, well...
	Lindsay Lohan.
	Exactly.
	No, I think it's a very positive thing for people to do.
	It's kind of relaxing to know what's going on, even if they don't have all...
	At least you know...
	You're not being suckered into believing all this weird crap that they keep throwing out there.
	So anyway, this front page of the Sunday Times, and by the way, I'm killing my New York Times subscription.
	Maybe take a Sunday only, and I do use some of the online resources.
	But it's ridiculous.
	You pile up newspapers.
	They pile up, pile up.
	You don't get to read half of the stuff.
	And this stuff is dumb.
	There's a lot too many features.
	There's a bunch of dumb articles about it.
	So it's gone.
	Yeah, it's dumb.
	You're right.
	Oh, can you put something in the book for me?
	Yeah?
	July 12th.
	Okay.
	July 12th.
	What happens on July 12th?
	Riots in Ireland.
	Big, big, big riots.
	Could be?
	Northern Ireland.
	I'll tell you why.
	By the way, I want to mention that this coming week is FBI six-week cycle time.
	Oh, perfect.
	Well, that's 4th of July.
	We predicted something big on 4th of July, right?
	Yeah, we've been predicting it for, I don't know, months.
	That's why we'll be live on the air.
	We won't stop until the FBI strikes.
	So the Irish, if you have not heard the tapes of Anglo Bank, Fitzgerald and Beau, these two douchebags, who are sitting there laughing about going to the Irish regulator and saying, oh, we need 7 billion euros to plug our hole and we're never paying you back, ever.
	And they're laughing about it.
	And these tapes came out and there's a hashtag, oh yeah, the icon changers at work.
	There's a hashtag, Anglo Bank and jail the bankers.
	But on July 12th, and we have several Irish producers out there, because I said, they sent me these links, and I put the, I'm not going to play it for you.
	It's kind of hard to hear.
	You can listen to it on your own.
	It's in the show notes, 526.nashownotes.com.
	You can listen to these douchebags.
	Laughing about how they're going to screw the public.
	And it turned out to be more like $30 billion.
	The seven was just kind of a down payment.
	And I said to these producers, I said, oh, well, this, yeah, yeah, you know, oh, wow, where's all the rioting?
	Where are your, where's everyone running around and causing a ruckus?
	So there's nothing going to happen.
	And they point to July 12th, and if you look at the book of knowledge, July 12th, In Ireland is already a huge ruckus day.
	Are you familiar with this?
	Mm-mm.
	Okay, so July 12th, they just call it the 12th, 12th in the Orange Order.
	I'll read from the Book of Knowledge.
	A yearly Protestant celebration held on 12th of July, originally in Ireland during the 18th century, celebrates the glorious revolution and victory of Protestant King William of Orange, the Dutch douche, Over Catholic King James II. So what happens is everyone parades around in their colors up there in Northern Ireland, and there's always some kerfuffle and some fighting.
	Prediction?
	July 12th will be a massive, massive protest in Northern Ireland.
	And with a little bit of luck, it'll all just be about killing bankers.
	I'm just hopeful.
	I'm in jail.
	I'm sorry.
	Did I say kill?
	I'm sorry.
	I meant jail the bankers.
	And it could just be a massive hashtag.
	Because that's pretty much par for the typical citizen of the universe these days.
	Yeah.
	Meh.
	Meh.
	Hashtag meh.
	Okay.
	I think you must have something.
	No, I got a couple fillers.
	Let's not bother with the filler.
	I got a good filler.
	I want you to listen to it.
	This is Stossel to get an award for being a libertarian that actually gets airtime.
	Which is quite a feat.
	It is quite a feat.
	So he did a couple of things I caught.
	I'll just play one of them.
	This is legal.
	No, no.
	We're going to play the prostitution clip.
	And he's got a bunch of girls from one of the bunny ranches in Nevada.
	Why do they always go for that?
	That's so lame.
	Well, they're cute.
	That's why.
	Oh, come on.
	It's totally lame.
	And then he's got some woman who's arguing with them.
	Oh, nice.
	And then, of course, they follow the whole thing up with apparently Harry Reid, I didn't know this, is trying to abolish prostitution in the state.
	I'm thinking, what?
	Really?
	That's dumb.
	Why just ruin the state?
	But just listen to this punt, this sanctimonious woman chewing out these prostitutes for being, you know, for having a job, essentially.
	Yeah.
	We like it.
	We like it.
	It's your own choice.
	If you want to do it, do it.
	And if you don't like it, then leave.
	I'm happy that you're happy.
	That's terrific.
	The fact that you are having a good time is not an excuse to ignore the harm.
	Tell me why it's so bad for me.
	Darling, it isn't about you.
	And you say we get our souls sucked.
	I have been nothing but happy.
	I believe that the majority of prostituted women suffer harm that is so serious, I would compromise your freedom to protect the majority of women, absolutely.
	So you want to basically tell everybody in the world what they can and can't do with their own bodies and take away everybody's feet of foot.
	I would like to live in a world where people didn't hurt each other.
	You should be ashamed of yourself.
	The Senate Majority Leader agrees.
	The time has come to outlaw prostitution.
	That is a great point that I should have put in my rant.
	Everyone's so like, oh, you know, I'm the boss of my own body, but then you get this, like, but we have to outlaw prostitution.
	And by the way, you know, it's the same woman.
	That woman that you're bitching about in your rant is the same woman who's sitting there telling these girls that they can't do that, and she'd be glad to take their freedoms away, to save them.
	Right.
	Right.
	That's the same woman.
	And I'm always amazed that women say, you know, I want to have an abortion and the right to kill my fetus or whatever, but then they're all outraged that Texas has killed 500 people on death row.
	Which way do you want to have it?
	No, that's one of the short circuit models that I always like to use.
	Yeah.
	You know, if you're for the death penalty, you should be for abortion.
	For abortion, yeah.
	And if you're against the death penalty, you should be against abortion, but that's not the way it works.
	No.
	It's just the opposite.
	It's a short circuit.
	I'm for reality shows of all of it.
	Well, we both are on that camp.
	That's the only way we're going to make any money.
	I want to have death row.
	I want electrocution reality show.
	We should have a reality show about abortions.
	That would be fantastic.
	Debbie is five months pregnant.
	She wants to remove that baby bump.
	Hey-o!
	Well, we have 16, was it, I was 16 and pregnant.
	I love this MTV show where the kids are always like, oh, I was pooping on the toilet and the kids slipped out and went through the drain pipes.
	Those shows are outrageous.
	Yeah.
	You could have that, but then my idea is crazy.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Well, I think that...
	Oh, no.
	Well, no, no, no.
	You can't just end me on that.
	No, no, no, no.
	I like a downer.
	No, no, no, no.
	No, no.
	We'll end on a new sickness.
	Uh-oh.
	A new type of dementia has been reported.
	A new type of dementia?
	A new type of dementia.
	Wow.
	And you and I are prime candidates, my friend.
	Doctors at the Balance Brain Center in Seoul, Korea have noticed a deterioration in our cognitive abilities that is usually only found in people who have suffered a head injury or psychiatric illness.
	And the worst part about this dementia is that it is self-inflicted.
	According to the researchers, it is overuse of smartphones, tablets, and game devices.
	That's hampering the balanced development of the brain.
	So, a person who spends more than seven hours a day on devices shows a significant lack of development in the right side of their brain.
	That is the side of your brain responsible for concentration and memory.
	This, by the way, according to my brain professor pal, the right brain, left brain stuff has been debunked years ago.
	And it's total bullcrap.
	He says there's no empirical evidence that one side of your brain does more than the specific tasks versus the other.
	Did you know that?
	Nope.
	He says no empirical evidence whatsoever has been known for years.
	I'm sure not shocked that I don't know that because obviously the mainstream media doesn't like to discuss recent developments in science.
	In science?
	And of course, if you're Aaron Burnett, you have to take this story of the digital dementia diagnosis and make a dumb joke.
	That can lead to emotional problems, and yes, the early onset of dementia.
	Dementia is horrific to witness and horrible to imagine in your own life.
	Impossible to imagine.
	This is not something to take lightly.
	And while we're not saying you should stop using your device altogether, there is a reason why, for months, we have warned about the slippery slope that is technology.
	And yes, probably we sound like a broken record, but you know what?
	We like records, and probably a lot of you don't know what a record is.
	But we do, and we're proud of it.
	We look outside our devices for some mental stimulation, and that is why we here out front are not worried about digital dementia.
	AC360 starts right now.
	Wow!
	She thinks that people who are watching her show are young for some reason.
	Memo.
	Memo to Miss Burnett.
	Your average age is 65, girl.
	These people know what her record is.
	Douche.
	Wow.
	How dumb is that?
	Who writes this stuff for her and she doesn't have any ability to say that's stupid?
	Jeff Zucker, I'm sure.
	Is Michaela gone already at CNN? Michaela?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	She didn't even start yet, as far as I can tell.
	Come on.
	The show's been on the air.
	I have a feeling that she's gone already.
	I think I saw a message somewhere.
	No, it said, okay, hold on.
	CNN, what is it, First Shout?
	What is it, First?
	No, she's from Saskatoon.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	That's where all the money is.
	No, no, that's Alberta.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	Saskatoon is the Paris of Canada.
	Alberta.
	You know what's happening in Alberta?
	Did you hear about this?
	What, the floods?
	Yeah, but not about the floods.
	You hear what the Mounties did?
	No, they beat someone up.
	No.
	Alberta.
	They're already impatient.
	Now anger is building about what has happened while they've been out of their homes.
	They're supposed to be here to protect us, to keep looters away, and they're the ones doing the looting.
	It came to a head yesterday as word spread among High River residents.
	The RCMP had seized hundreds of guns from evacuated homes.
	The RCMP's own video of the days following the flood shows they did go into houses.
	But the force says it only took guns that posed a safety risk.
	In those situations, when they were out in plain view and they were not properly secured and stored, those firearms were taken by the RCMP members and safely secured.
	The Prime Minister's office jumped into the controversy with a statement chastising the RCMP. We expect they will be returned to their owners as soon as possible, the statement reads.
	The RCMP should focus on more important tasks.
	Human resources in Canada are outraged by this.
	So they came into their...
	Video bullcrap and stupid website shit.
	Hey!
	I'm sorry!
	I'm sorry, I got like pre-rolls popping up.
	I can't stop this music from playing.
	I'm angry.
	Yeah, but you're going to lose your concentration.
	I'm looking here.
	June 27, 2013.
	There's Michaela, who looks different for some reason.
	I don't know what she did.
	CNN's New Day rating sluggish.
	Morning show ribbed on Twitter as Jeff Zucker nears six-month mark.
	Oh, they're toast.
	Sorry, Michaela.
	I hope you got a good deal.
	Yeah, probably pay for play or pay for whatever it's called.
	Yeah.
	So it's sluggish.
	What does sluggish mean?
	They must have zero ratings.
	Yeah, it was sluggish.
	What is sluggish on CNN? I mean, you didn't even know if the show had started yet.
	This is how bad it is.
	Yeah, you're right.
	I didn't know.
	Sluggish.
	And you're in show business.
	I'm in show business.
	So anyway, sorry about that, people of Canada.
	And it's like, yes, you can get your gun back if you can show you are a legal owner of the gun.
	Yeah, in your house that is now completely washed out, you're going to go find your receipt.
	They took their guns.
	That's pretty scary.
	Yeah, well, that's going to happen here.
	Oh, yeah, of course.
	They just can't figure out how to do it here.
	They've tried this, they've tried that.
	They're going to do it.
	They haven't figured it out yet.
	They haven't.
	They've been working on it.
	I guarantee you, at a certain point, the American citizens will just go, Meh.
	Meh.
	Exactly.
	Meh.
	Here you go.
	Meh.
	Meh.
	All good.
	All right, everybody.
	Have yourselves a fantastic weekend, the rest of the weekend, and enjoy your week leading up to the celebration in Americas of our independence.
	I shall...
	I'm going to be nice saying that.
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	Uh, I have to check.
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