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	Oh, mac and cheese?
	Oh, let's get some mac and cheese.
	Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
	It's Thursday, July 4th, 2013.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 527.
	This is no agenda.
	Celebrating 237 years of the empire here at the Travis Heights High Dot in Austin Tejas, the capital of the Drone Star State.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from Northern Silicon Valley, I want to wish everyone a merry day.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Craig Vaughn and Boothkill.
	In the morning.
	A merry day?
	Yeah, a merry day.
	I realized right in the middle of what I was going to say, this is only a holiday in one place.
	So go to Twitter right now and search and go into the little search box.
	Hold on.
	And then search for 213 years old.
	E-W-I-T-T-E-R dot com.
	Mm-hmm.
	It doesn't autocomplete for you?
	Uh, 213?
	No, 2013 years old.
	Oh, right, there's a bunch of that, yeah.
	And tell me that you don't see a number of tweets of people saying, Wow, happy birthday, America!
	2013 years!
	Well, it's hard to believe America turns 213 years old today.
	2013.
	Yeah, 2013.
	This is the state of...
	And then somebody comes back with, well, Britain's oldest tree may be up to 5,000 years old.
	This is the state of the...
	We are living in World War Z. It's not...
	It's all a metaphor for the world we're living in.
	I can't believe that people actually are tweeting these things.
	It's like the whole thing.
	It's a list of hundreds of people.
	Can't believe America's already 2,013 years old.
	How sad is it?
	I think it's a joke meme.
	No, it did not start off as a joke meme.
	This really started as people seriously saying this.
	Join the movement.
	Move free ultra.
	Omega.
	A revolutionary Omega 3 formula for two times better joint comfort.
	Healthy joints move free.
	What?
	Also from Move Free, joint health is yummy.
	It's new Move Free gummies.
	I don't know what the hell is going on.
	I got like this huge commercial all of a sudden for...
	Where did that come from?
	Let's see if it's on my screen.
	Oh my God.
	No, mine stopped.
	What was your last commercial?
	It was Mazda.
	That was crazy.
	What the hell was that?
	It wasn't on my side.
	I think it was coming from you.
	No, no, it could have been on your side.
	No, no.
	It could have been coming from me.
	No.
	Oh, my God.
	That was freaky.
	Well, anyway, happy 4th of July, John.
	Let's just move on.
	Happy 4th of July.
	Uh-oh.
	What?
	It's coming.
	There it is again.
	What?
	The advertisement.
	Do you hear it?
	Yeah.
	Well, no, I don't hear it.
	It's apparently just going through the mixer right to you.
	Well, I don't hear it now.
	Oh, then I'm hearing something, but do it okay.
	All right.
	So why don't you just minimize that so you don't see it?
	No.
	It's not possible.
	This is what I'm telling you.
	This is a disaster.
	Can't you just minimize all of Skype or just put it in the background or something?
	Okay, let me just see what happens when the next ad comes up.
	Okay, here comes one for...
	They're just going to play these things just incessantly while I'm trying to talk on Skype.
	That was really weird.
	We just got like this really, I think it was coming through your channel though.
	I didn't have any browser windows open or anything.
	Well, for people that want to know what I'm talking about is that my Skype is playing ads at me.
	Like within the window of this conversation.
	Yeah, no, I understand.
	I understand what you're saying.
	So I got it.
	I got my kazoo.
	Okay.
	Well, I told you I had one.
	What about Morsi?
	What do you think?
	Well, I think a number of things.
	If you look at...
	I think it's a pretty big scale, actually.
	If you look at Obama being in Africa, and you look at what's going on with Snowden, it appears to me...
	That we have Russia and the Chiners essentially teaming up just to embarrass Obama wherever they can.
	And I'm pretty sure, looking at the professional signs that I've seen all these Egyptians walking around with.
	Remember the Japanese, they would always have this, like, American Yankee go home!
	Yankee go home.
	These kind of weird signs and slogans that were...
	Yeah, Yankee go home in English.
	Yankee go home.
	Right.
	I'm sure you've seen the 15 signs you'll never see on mainstream media in the United States.
	And there's like, Obama, your bitch is our leader.
	He's the top war criminal, but really kind of in a funky sense.
	It's clearly not written by the CIA. And I'm thinking...
	No, I'm totally convinced it's not CIA. No, it's not.
	I think it's the Chinese and the Russians...
	I think it's the Russians.
	Well, I think it's together, John.
	They're doing a joint...
	You know, they've got a huge naval exercise they're doing right now.
	Both the Russians and Chinese warships have been refueling in Cyprus in the past few months.
	You know, this is clearly all about...
	The endgame, I think, is about Syria.
	Yeah, I agree.
	But to me, it seems like it truly is...
	You know, we know that...
	For the listeners out there who use us as the news source, we better play an overview to catch them up.
	I thought the PBS one with Margaret Warner floating around the Middle East was the best.
	Okay, let me see.
	And I'm a little confused, actually.
	Have we decided to spell Morsi with a Y now instead of an I? When did this happen?
	That's the point of controversy.
	I think it's code.
	I don't know what it means.
	Okay.
	Well, exactly.
	It depends on whose team you're on.
	Is that the deal?
	I'm guessing.
	Okay.
	Let's go.
	Egypt's first democratically elected leader has been overthrown by the country's armed forces.
	President Mohamed Morsi has reportedly been moved to an undisclosed location.
	Morsi's Twitter account quotes him saying he rejects what he called a full coup.
	Margaret Warner begins our...
	I love it where all of a sudden, you know, Twitter accounts are, you know, news.
	It's official.
	It's science.
	I know.
	Unbelievable.
	Full coup.
	Cheers erupted from hundreds of thousands celebrating in Tahrir Square as the commander of Egypt's army announced President Mohamed Morsi was no longer in power.
	The Chief Justice of the Constitutional Court will declare before the court the early presidential election, where the Justice of the Constitutional Court will run the state's affairs unit in the interim period until the new president is elected.
	He also said the state's Islamic-backed constitution would be suspended pending review.
	It all happened after a tension filled 24 hours, as a military-imposed deadline neared for President Morsi to respond to the demands of the people in the streets.
	In a defiant speech to the nation last night, Morsi vehemently defended his position as the elected leader of the country.
	We now have a reference.
	We now have legitimacy.
	With our own will, an elected president, a constitution voted by the people, and we are working according to this legitimacy.
	The revolution of January 25th and the achievement of its goals completely, the price tag for protecting it, is my life, my own life.
	I want to take care of all of your lives.
	When morning came, Egyptians awoke to reports that the military had taken over the Al Aram newspaper.
	An armored vehicle surrounded the state television headquarters as officers were stationed in corridors and the newsroom.
	Minutes before the military deadline passed, Morsi's office did release a statement backing a coalition government as a means to resolve the conflict.
	But the last ditch effort was largely ignored by opposition political, religious and youth leaders who met instead with the military chiefs to plan a way forward and security officials reportedly imposed travel bans on Morsi and his top allies.
	It's really interesting.
	The words are very important in this case.
	I heard Anderson Pooper last night.
	Immediately, he was like, oh, you know, can we call it a coup?
	Can we call it a half coup?
	Don't call it a comeback.
	Because, of course, if it's a coup, then we can't send our billions of dollars in military aid.
	And I saw Dempsey, the top dog of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on a live interview on CNN. Clearly, they're clueless.
	They have no idea what to do.
	Right?
	I thought the whole thing was hilarious.
	You know what?
	I love those laser pointers.
	I think that looks so smoking hot.
	You get the aerial shots and they've got the green laser pointers flying everywhere.
	Yeah, great.
	That's what we need.
	More of that.
	More laser pointers!
	And so, there was...
	Did you get any of the videos of the fireworks display?
	Yeah, the whole thing was just incredibly bizarre.
	Do you think it was an interesting coincidence?
	We have the 4th of July here, you know, and then there's this 4th of July looking fireworks display, which I think was a mockery.
	Well, here's the code.
	And these were not just mild.
	This was like a...
	This was a set-up thing.
	John, this is where the code is.
	Who makes the best fireworks in the universe?
	The Chinese.
	Thank you very much.
	It's a total China operation.
	Well, they've been getting screwed over by us left and right, and then the Russians are irked to no end, and now Obama won't talk to Putin anymore kind of thing.
	Well, did you see the thing that came out yesterday?
	So imagine this.
	Putin is sitting around, and he's hanging out with his boys, and believe me, I think he hangs out with boys.
	And this thing is a little too...
	I'm using some new equipment here, so I'm also regulating stuff while we're at it.
	So he's hanging out with his boys.
	And he says, you know what we'll do?
	Why don't we have that smoking hot Russian spy, Anna Chapman?
	We'll have her, like, write a love letter to Snowden in the newspaper.
	That'll be hilarious.
	Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
	Did you see this?
	Yeah, it's funny.
	And they're just going over, going back at it every single time.
	Oh, we can go back to that joke, Will.
	No, callbacks are their specialty.
	This is fantastic.
	I'm really impressed with what they're doing.
	What I'm kind of still wondering about is how, you know, the military in Egypt is a U.S. operation.
	I mean, we're the ones who trained all these guys.
	Not one of them has not gone through our schools in our country.
	Right.
	And they're always on our side.
	I think what happened is the Russians, being the slicers that they are, they'd go over there, hey, you know, these Americans, you're siding with the wrong group.
	These guys are going to screw you.
	Look, they let that Morsi guy get in there.
	He probably works for them.
	And they're screwing you over.
	You're getting screwed over by your sponsors.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	You know, those Americans can't be trusted.
	They can't be trusted.
	You're going to have to do something before it's too late.
	So here's what I think, how it kind of went down.
	So the president goes to Africa, and we know he's going there to do some kind of, you know, get something started.
	But when you hear his speech at Symbion Energy, which, I don't know if you saw this, Symbion Energy, there's huge signs that are left and to the right of our president.
	And the symbiont is a little word on the placard, and then there's a huge GE logo above it.
	So here's the president.
	I mean, it's a great shot.
	This should be the picture of his presidency, really, when you think about it.
	And he's got left and right, he's got big GE logos.
	And here's what he said, which I think was just when the Chinas went, oh yeah, okay, you know what?
	You want to muscle in on our business?
	Well, screw you.
	We are here today to focus on one of the biggest hurdles to Africa's economic development, the fact that nearly 70 percent of Africans lack access to electricity.
	And that's why, in my speech in Cape Town, I announced a major new initiative, Power Africa, to double access to electricity here in Africa.
	Now, the first step That we're going to take is to try to bring electricity to 20 million homes and businesses.
	And this plant represents the kind of public-private partnership that we want to replicate all across the continent.
	This facility was idle.
	But the Tanzanian government, under President Kikwete's leadership, committed to making reforms in the energy sector.
	With the support from the Millennium Challenge grant.
	General Electric and Symbion, they got it up and running again.
	More Tanzanians got electricity.
	So, Power Africa embraces this model.
	Public and private resources will be matched with projects led by African countries that are taking the lead on reform.
	In this case, African governments commit to energy reforms.
	The U.S. This is exactly what is going on.
	This is the Chinese game.
	We come in, we're going to build power plants, we're going to build roads, we're going to build schools, we're going to build hospitals.
	The difference is, the Chinese probably actually do it, and we just talk a big game.
	Yeah, but the Chinese also, the game that we discussed this years ago, and I should reiterate it, Is that the games the Chinese were playing before we realized what was going on...
	And we can't play this game because we don't...
	And you'll see why when I explain it.
	It's obvious we can't play this game.
	The Chinese come in.
	They make a lot of promises.
	They start building roads to get to wherever they want to get.
	They rebuild the towns.
	They do all these things.
	And they do it with a blank check as...
	Right.
	they want to bring in to build their projects.
	No questions asked, no tariffs.
	And in the process, they bring in all this crap to sell.
	They bring in Chinese restaurants.
	Well, that too, I'm sure.
	And they bring in all these.
	So they set up shop.
	They put all these little vendors out of business because they're selling stuff without import tariffs.
	Right.
	And they dump the stuff in the...
	We don't have that at all.
	We don't have anything to sell.
	And we don't even know that game.
	That game is weird.
	It's a Chinese thing.
	And all we're doing now is just freaking out and saying, oh my god, let's just throw a lot of money at this and kind of do what the Chinese, what it looks like the Chinese are doing when that's not what they're doing.
	Well, but we're also doing it with our aerial drone support because we're droning people out of existence.
	Let's remember when we saved Libya from their evil dictator that everyone used to hang out with and had nice little photo ops with.
	When we saved Libya from him, the first people out of Libya were 50,000 Chinese.
	This is every single place that we go to save people from terrorism because they're plotting to strike America.
	This is the first people out.
	It's the Chinese.
	They go, oh crap, here, those guys come.
	I think they really, I think you're right.
	They got so fed up with it and said, okay, you know, we're going to show you're there in Africa with your little $7 billion with GE, with the Millennium Challenge Corporation.
	Have we ever discussed this, John, the Millennium Challenge Corporation?
	I think we did some time back.
	MCC.gov.
	This is just taxpayer money going to GE to give Africans electricity.
	I need some electricity.
	This is crazy.
	It's crazy.
	They just went, screw you.
	And we've got Putin, on the other hand, just making jokes and really ridiculing not just, of course, our president, but the country, all of us, in fact.
	Did you see that latest picture of him crouching?
	No.
	Oh, my God.
	Let me see if you can...
	Can I look it up under Putin crouching?
	Yeah, maybe.
	Let me see Putin.
	Yeah, probably.
	It's like, you know, this is the guy you want as your president.
	You want this guy.
	Let me see.
	Putin crouching.
	I'm looking up on the book of knowledge.
	He had a picture of him in Aikido.
	Outfit.
	No, that's not the one.
	It's funny, though.
	No, there's a new one, and he has his big guns and biceps sticking out.
	It's like, holy crap.
	Why can't I find this one?
	Hmm.
	Well, it's around.
	But, you know, this guy, he's macho, you know?
	And here he is swimming.
	Butterfly.
	Of course!
	And here he is in the woods shirtless with a Kalashnikov hunting something in the woods.
	Just remember that picture of...
	Here he is with a dead tiger.
	Remember the picture of our president who was running around the pool in his Crocs with a water gun?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, please.
	This is not good.
	We are looking pretty silly.
	Here he is with two dogs, a big giant St.
	Bernard and a husky rolling around in the snow with the dogs.
	That's right.
	Biting the dogs.
	Biting the dogs and the dogs are hurt.
	A lot of stuff here.
	I have to play this clip.
	There's a great picture here of Putin in EurasiaForeignPolicy.com of Putin and Obama doing a stare down and Obama's just leaning over and threatening him and Putin's looking at him like he's an idiot.
	Yeah, really.
	Great, great, great photo.
	I'll save that in a few minutes.
	I think on this day of our independence, we could not be more isolated from the entire universe.
	Everyone is hating America right now.
	And, of course, the worst thing is to have the Chinese and the Russians.
	This is some serious...
	This is not even Cold War.
	This is lukewarm war.
	And the funny thing is, nobody is reporting on it.
	No one is just...
	I know.
	This is so funny.
	I know.
	The first thing I thought when I saw this, you know, we immediately, because of all the meddling we did in the Middle East, the first thing you think is some intelligence agency.
	You think American.
	Then you start looking at it for five minutes.
	You say, this is no scheme of ours.
	No.
	No.
	So who could it be?
	It has to be the Russians.
	And then if you put them together with the Chinese, who are also irked, and the Russians and the Chinese rarely work together on any level.
	Well, hold on a second.
	They just did that huge quarter-of-a-trillion-dollar oil deal together.
	So they are definitely in bed together.
	Yeah, they're in bed together now, which is dangerous for us.
	Yes, for the dollar, for everything.
	As you can see, they just screwed up our Egypt scheme.
	Yeah, and it's only the largest Muslim country in the universe.
	It's the one that we have had total control over for decades.
	And then they just walk out and put up a bunch of cool signs.
	Done!
	Yeah, Indonesia is the largest, by the way.
	Oh, really?
	Is that true?
	I didn't know Indonesia was large.
	Oh, okay.
	So, anyway, yeah, no, it's a big...
	It's pretty funny, but it also sends an interesting message to the other...
	The Islamist wannabe, which is the guy who's Erdogan, who's the head of Turkey, and they're subject to problems that may not be caused by us.
	What are you seeing as the possible...
	Next step for Egypt, because I'm already seeing everyone put them...
	I'm seeing mainstream and alternative news, I'll say, but they're probably just copying mainstream.
	I'm already seeing them say ElBaradei is going to be the guy, and I can't believe that, because ElBaradei, he's the guy that's in the international crisis group, educated in the U.S. It doesn't seem like...
	Are they just pushing for this guy to be it?
	It doesn't make any sense to me.
	Maybe they're hoping.
	Well, yeah, right.
	They're going to have an election.
	Right.
	So the guy who's going to be the guy is going to show up during this election period while they have a temporary government.
	Right.
	And everybody will be happy for a while, and then they're going to elect somebody.
	And it's going to be...
	This is where we're going to have to go in there, obviously, because we know by this time...
	Even though everybody was befuddled.
	I think by now we know what's going on and our people have to go in there and try to get somebody elected.
	The problem is that they were really smart about this and they preempted it by really highlighting the American ambassador.
	I forget her name for a second, but she's been one of the main poster children of this as well.
	They're the one they're calling a horrible bitch and a traitor and all this stuff.
	So we're going to have to put a new ambassador in.
	I mean, the whole operation is destroyed.
	We got USAID. It started with throwing all of the NGO people in jail.
	Rightly so, by the way.
	These are all CIA or the other State Department operations.
	And this is what we've been doing for decades.
	And someone's finally calling our bluff.
	And what turns out now is this president, this administration, is not going to be the worst because they're evil.
	It's because they're idiotically stupid.
	They can't even keep a good thing going.
	Well, it's apparent that Putin's a little sharper on the draw than Obama.
	I think Obama's too...
	I don't think he's connected well.
	And he's got all these stooges working for him that are just a bunch of yes-men and lackeys.
	He doesn't have any smart people in there.
	But, John, the guy has no experience.
	He was a one-term senator in Illinois.
	He bops through.
	He does a great speech at the 2004 convention.
	And then he's president.
	This was a made man.
	Of course, he has no experience.
	He's way out of his league.
	Way out of his league.
	How would he even know what to do?
	I don't think he'd ever even been to Russia.
	He doesn't know what to do.
	Again, I feel sad for Barack Obama, the human being, because he's now in this horrible position where everything's like, just read your lines, don't bump into the furniture, everything's going to be great, it's going to be one awesome party, and then he gets all this crap, and his mother-in-law's living with him.
	I mean, jeez.
	The mother-in-law thing, I forgot about that.
	You're right.
	That is just the worst.
	Right?
	Yeah, no, I mean, this is not a guy who is a strong male.
	Okay, hey, Barack, listen, man, we've got some good news and some bad news.
	The good news is you're going to live in the White House.
	The bad news is, so is your mother-in-law.
	And Valerie Jarrett, for that matter.
	The new book came out, they're trying to do damage control.
	I don't think it's out yet.
	I know what you're talking about.
	Oh, no, apparently the publisher accidentally shipped it.
	Oh, no!
	And so all places where it showed up was at the airport in Washington, D.C. Oh, how coincidental.
	Great PR campaign.
	Great PR campaign.
	So everybody in D.C. has read it.
	I want to play this clip of the president in Africa.
	He did a town hall meeting.
	And, you know, Ms.
	Molly Wood was here for the past couple of days while Mickey was in Europe.
	Is Mickey back?
	She's coming back tonight.
	Thank you for asking.
	And so Molly was here with her six-year-old son, Eli, which was kind of fun.
	I got to practice being, I guess, a granddad.
	Oh, I didn't know that Eli was coming.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, I was prepared, man.
	I had the slide whistle out, the kazoo, whoopee cushions, walkie-talkies, you know, the whole deal.
	I know how to do this.
	A few of my listeners got that one.
	Go on.
	Exactly.
	So I'm here with Miss Molly Wood.
	I would say she's not Obama bot, but she has potential to be a bot.
	Whenever she's here, of course, it's essentially a deprogramming class for her.
	And I played this clip for her of the president at this town hall in, I think it might have been Tanzania.
	And this is a brain-frying moment for anyone, but certainly if you are only just getting hit in the mouth.
	Africa.
	We're going to all have to work together to find ways in which...
	Collectively, we reduce carbon, but we make sure that there's some differentiation so that countries that are very wealthy are expected to do more, and countries that are still developing, obviously, they shouldn't be resigned to poverty simply because You know, the West and Europe and America got there first.
	But this right here, before we move any further, this is Agenda 21.
	This is the whole climate change thing.
	The whole idea is we have to give up, you know, some of our stuff here in the West to give it over to the poor people with no electricity in Africa because, you know, you've seen the pictures.
	They've got flies on their face.
	They're eating mush.
	You know, it's horrible.
	We have to take care of them.
	But here comes the kicker, because yes, yes, the great hope from America is going to bring you electricity, but there is a small catch, African, a little one.
	That wouldn't be fair.
	But everybody's going to have to do something.
	Everybody's going to have to make some important choices here.
	And I expect that it's going to be your generation that helps lead this, because if we don't, it's going to be your generation that suffers the most.
	Ultimately, if you think about all the youth that everybody's mentioned here in Africa, if everybody's raising living standards to the point where everybody's got a car and everybody's got air conditioning and everybody's got a big house, well, the planet will boil over.
	Oh, okay.
	Hold on.
	Let me just get this straight.
	So Africans, you cannot have a car and a big house and air conditioning.
	I have the same clip, by the way.
	Because the planet will actually boil over.
	John, we're like lobsters.
	It's going to boil over.
	We're all going to die.
	Is this guy a piece of work or what?
	They can't let him go off script.
	I know, this is the stupidest thing I've heard for a long time.
	We can't let you have cars and houses.
	Or electricity.
	Or refrigerated.
	It's going to boil over on you, so don't expect too much.
	You can dream, but you can't really achieve.
	You can be sure the Chinese aren't saying these things.
	No!
	This is so dumb.
	It is like the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
	Yeah, well...
	It's astounding.
	And I'm ashamed.
	I'm just, you know, on what should be a great day of celebration, I'm just ashamed.
	I'm just ashamed of what is happening.
	It's sad.
	I mean, it's so transparent.
	And the Africans, they're going there like, we've seen their signs too.
	Get out, drone man.
	Go away.
	We don't want you to take your Djibouti ass and go.
	We don't want your drones.
	We don't want your crap.
	You know, at least the Chinese have nice trinkets.
	Yeah, that's about right.
	Yeah, I don't think we're that welcome in Africa.
	We're not doing a very good job of promotion or anything.
	And then to get snubbed by Mandela, that was the end.
	What was the snub?
	It wasn't Mandela himself, it was his family?
	No, it was the family, but the people surrounding him.
	But if Mandela, although we assume he's dead, if he were alive, he would have probably done the same thing.
	Yeah.
	The drone thing is getting on everyone's nerves.
	In fact, there's already been an indictment in Malaysia, I believe.
	And there's a whole bunch of...
	Of course, RT, again, Russians, is another clue that they're out to screw with him.
	If you watch the network, RT, there's all this sort of thing.
	Play the Obama indictment report.
	Hold on a second.
	So here we go.
	Tomorrow when Obama lands in South Africa, lawyers have filed for his arrest for genocide.
	The country that went through apartheid attack on ethnic groups classed as inferior charges the Obama administration's now doing the exact same thing.
	Indiscriminate confinement of Muslims without charge and targeted drone attacks on Muslim civilian populations around the globe.
	I think it's time that the Obama administration hire the Curry-Dvorak Consulting Group.
	Because, you know, just give us a channel.
	Give us MSNBC. I mean, I can even make Rachel Maddow work for the cause.
	Anything better than what we're doing right now.
	RT guys, they're great!
	I'm watching this stuff.
	You're playing another clip.
	This is the Bush prelude.
	The way this report was set up is that Bush is an obvious war criminal.
	He got all the goods on him.
	He can't travel anywhere.
	He wanted to go to Switzerland, by the way, recently.
	And the Swiss could not assure his safety.
	So what does he get to do?
	Oh, paint houses in Africa.
	Oh, okay.
	It's kind of a vacation.
	Bush prelude to Obama, which is another RT report by the same character.
	Civilians were targeted.
	U.S. soldiers went house to house and took them out and shot them.
	They shot families crossing the river.
	Helicopters and snipers shot people.
	There were unknown numbers, hundreds of people that were killed in Fallujah.
	God bless America!
	Then the fourth violation of the law is the prison camp that the United States maintains at Guantanamo.
	Then the fifth example of lawbreaking by the Bush administration was the illegal spying program, surveillance program, spying on Americans' conversations.
	And then a data mining program, very much like we've heard about lately from Edward Snowden.
	And then finally, the refusal to fulfill the law.
	When Congress would pass a law, frequent George W. Bush would sign the law and then attach what we call a signing statement saying, yes, I'm signing this law, but I am only going to follow the parts of it that I agree with.
	Right, signing statements.
	Yeah, we haven't really talked much about signing statements.
	No.
	But you can look them up.
	People can look them up.
	There's one operation that documents these things pretty well, the American Presidency Project.
	And they have documented, the thing came into its own during the Clinton administration.
	And everybody just says, this is great.
	Although apparently Reagan did signing statements quite a bit.
	Hasn't Obama done one or threatened to do one?
	I don't think he's really done any signing statements, has he?
	Hundreds.
	Oh, really?
	I thought he did zero signing statements.
	No, I got, here's one right here.
	He did it on February 17th, 2009, March 11th, March 30th, May 20th, June 2nd, June 24th, June 24th.
	And the more interesting one is, to this day, he's doing them.
	Well, that's weird.
	That's not being reported on.
	It's not being reported on at all.
	How is that possible?
	It's amazing.
	I don't know what's going on.
	If you look up signing statements, you'll only find very little evidence that anyone's documented, the Obama ones.
	But Obama, the one that got me, as I was reading the signing statement on signing the Supplemental Appropriations Act in 2009, and he has a little zinger in here at the end.
	His signing statements are interesting because he says, I'm signing this law.
	This is essentially what he's saying.
	He doesn't say it in so many words, but this is what he's saying.
	I'm signing this law because I'm great.
	Oh, okay.
	Don't you agree?
	So then he puts his fingers in, for example, on this one, June 24, 2009, I looked this one up.
	This is Obama's words.
	However, provisions of this bill within Section 1110 to 1112 of Title 11 and Sections 1403 and 1404 of Title 14 would interfere with my constitutional authority, which is the key words in signing statements.
	Right, his constitutional authority.
	His constitutional authority to conduct foreign relations by directing the executive to take certain positions when negotiations are doing, and it goes on.
	And I... Look this up very carefully.
	This was his mandate to continue to arrest and incarcerate at Gitmo.
	So he's been on this, yeah, if you really look into this, it all has to do with Gitmo.
	So he is saying that, look, because apparently they're trying to get Gitmo, even though he's blaming everybody else for wanting to keep Gitmo going.
	He's, in this situation, is saying, I want to have these powers to do foreign relations to be able to grab somebody and throw them in the Gitmo.
	I don't want to have that taken away from me, and that's what this all says.
	And this was...
	June 24, 2009.
	He says, unbelievable.
	I'm just looking at the most recent signing statement for the National Defense Authorization Act for 2013.
	It's like four pages!
	I had no idea.
	Wasn't this one of the things he said he wouldn't do?
	That he wouldn't do signing statements?
	Am I confusing that with line item vetoes?
	This is never published.
	I never hear about this.
	Yeah.
	And they're all bad.
	Essentially, like this woman said in the Bush case, the signing statement says, here's the law, I'm going to sign it, but I'm not going to enforce it the way it's written.
	I'm going to do my own thing.
	Yeah, not only that, but also like, but you know, I'm kind of above it.
	This is not the way it should be.
	Everyone's stupid.
	That's what I'm reading here, just in reading one page or one paragraph of this stuff.
	He's gotten very verbose.
	This is actually now on your radar, which means this is similar.
	I'm giving it to you because this is executive orders.
	This is the kind of stuff I love.
	On a higher end.
	Yeah, this is the executive order behind the executive order.
	I can't believe that I haven't seen all of this.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's because apparently you were under the false impression that he wasn't going to pull this crap.
	I thought that was one of his promises.
	Maybe I'm confusing it with line item vetoes.
	How can you keep track of these things?
	I just don't want to take off my shoes.
	So anyway, so RT gave us a little tip there, which I appreciate.
	So they go on and they start ragging on Obama about it, because first they outline Bush being the horrible person that he is, and then the next thing they do, and this is a form of propaganda, of course, and the Russians are really good at it, is first you create this horrible person, George Bush, who can't leave the country, and probably doesn't care to, by the way, can't leave the country, and then you associate him with Obama, so anyone who's a...
	Bush hater, because where's the impeach Obama bumper stickers that were all over the place with a peach bush?
	So play RT rags on Obama, just a straight up one.
	Okay, here we go.
	What people don't realize is that there's been a war for four years.
	They fought a war down through Sudan and Ethiopia and into Somalia.
	Who's this?
	Is this Clooney?
	No, this is no.
	Sounds like Clooney, doesn't it?
	And then they tell us in the news that there's been a terrible drought and 250,000 people have died.
	When in fact, what had happened is that all the food supply and all the water supply was basically wiped out.
	And so they're left to die in the desert because now they're going and developing the oil fields in this new country created, South Sudan.
	And then when it comes to war crimes using weapons of mass destruction, I mean, the depleted uranium-lined Hellfire missiles, and this is a fact, they're fired from Predator and Reaper drones.
	They deliver at least 10 kilograms of depleted uranium, which permanently contaminates the target areas.
	So when you go back in there, you're guaranteed, if you spend too much time, to get some form of horrific cancer that will kill you between 10 and 15 years.
	That's how poisonous this stuff is.
	And we've got a lot of our soldiers around this stuff that are dying, but they don't talk a lot about it.
	It's like our generation's Agent Orange.
	I call him Obama the odious.
	Then you've also got the secret kill list by Obama.
	You've got the legal wars in Libya and elsewhere.
	He started the covert war in Yemen and basically deposed another leader in that country.
	And you know what they've done so well with this RT outfit?
	Is they've taken this...
	What's the girl's name from Oakland?
	Or is she from New Jersey?
	Or where is she from?
	Yeah, she's from Oakland.
	Abby.
	Abby, yeah.
	So they take her.
	And by the way, she is...
	I'm sorry to say, she's a moron.
	I mean, I've seen her speak on camera and off camera.
	And she has a hard time, by the way, walking and talking at the same time.
	You literally can see that.
	I'll bring this stuff.
	If I can find it, I'll bring it for Sunday.
	I still think I have it.
	Where she says some of the dumbest stuff I have ever heard.
	She's on somebody's podcast.
	Yes, yeah.
	I think we had that clip, but we didn't play it or something.
	Yeah, I think we had it and didn't play it.
	But it's unbelievable.
	So she's sexy in a...
	I mean, it's not my type at all.
	But I can see where a guy's like, oh, yeah.
	And she's talking...
	She's sexy and a sultry kind of a sultry guy.
	Yeah, and she's like a little bit of Alex Jones-y without the seed sale.
	It kind of floats in between.
	And they've got all these interesting characters they bring in on Skype.
	And so there's enough there to make it look kind of like an alternative news when really it's just pure propaganda.
	That's amazing.
	And I said amazing, sorry.
	No, no.
	It truly is amazing.
	It truly is.
	And then I look at what we're doing, and I'm like, how pathetic.
	I mean, we really have absolutely no game.
	Ed Schultz.
	Wow, hold on.
	Let me just buzz ourselves off for that.
	Yeah, that's how pathetic it is.
	Or Toure.
	Oh!
	We gots us some Toure and Don Lemon.
	I mean, come on, people.
	How are we ever going to win this war against our own people?
	Hire us!
	Hire us, please!
	And the competitive to the South African public is, you didn't condone it then, why must you allow it to happen on an international basis now?
	And so this is a genocide, a torture, a perpetuated campaign against people of the Muslim faith.
	One of the judges in a Pakistani high court judgment That we've attached to our complaint has declared the drone attacks to be illegal and has asked the UN to investigate it.
	He seems to want to joke about the drone attacks.
	He's recorded as having said at one of his balls held in the US that if any person's had designs on his daughters, he's got predator drones.
	But boys don't get any ideas.
	I have two words for you.
	Predator drones.
	You will never see it coming.
	You think I'm joking?
	I Yeah, hey, hold on a second.
	They're taking our material now.
	Yeah, they are.
	This is not good.
	I think it's amazing, I mean, interesting the way they're trying to make it sound as if he's at one of his balls.
	Yeah.
	And he's so cavalier.
	One of his many balls.
	One of his many balls, which makes it sound like he's partying all the time.
	Which he is!
	He had Carole King at the White House last week.
	I mean, he's always living it up and partying.
	Yeah, which is a good image for the opposition, for the Russians to portray him, because they're just nailing him.
	I forgot there's one other one, which is the war crimes overview from Malaysia, which is talking about all of this stuff put together, and this is where they indicted him.
	Okay.
	The court said commanders were responsible for war crimes their subordinates committed.
	But the chamber suddenly backtracked.
	The U.S. felt they were getting too close to their own commanders.
	The Malaysian court already found George W. Bush and his deputies guilty of torture and war crimes.
	At the trial, Mahathir Mohamed, Malaysia's ex-premier, heard from victims and witnesses and was blunt.
	These are basically murderers, and they kill on a large scale.
	The eight convicted were.
	John Yu, Newsweek reports he advised Bush that whole villages can be legally, quote, massacred.
	The dean of Yale Law School called Jay Bybee's infamous torture memo the most erroneous legal opinion he has ever read.
	The National Lawyers Guild filed a complaint over William Haynes' recommendations for so-called stress positions and use of dogs against prisoners.
	Newsweek notes Richard Cheney's lawyer, David Addington, penned a key memorandum that the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to them.
	Alberto Gonzalez wrote that the laws against torture are, quote, obsolete and quaint.
	The Senate Armed Services Committee reports Donald Rumsfeld approved the, quote, aggressive techniques used in Guantanamo and black sites around the world.
	Richard Cheney told the Washington Times he, quote, signed off on the so-called enhanced interrogations.
	I don't care what the international lawyers say, we're going to kick the ****, said Bush, notes counter-terrorism head Richard Clarke.
	The world's leading war crimes lawyer was on that prosecution team.
	Francis Boyle sent President Milosevic to The Hague in 2001.
	These guys are good, and they've got a lot of outfits.
	You heard it quoted in that article, Washington Times.
	This is a great name for a publication, by the way, because you think of Washington Post, Washington Times, and it's propaganda.
	It's a total propaganda outfit.
	Well, they're definitely putting the pressure on these guys.
	By the way, the clip before that...
	I thought they're going to try to do this.
	This guy threw it in.
	You may have missed it.
	You probably heard it subliminally, which is he threw in this, what do we call Obama?
	Obama the odious.
	Oh, I didn't hear that.
	What does odious mean exactly?
	Just look it up.
	It's like the world's worst person.
	Hold on a second.
	Look up odious.
	They call him Obama the odious.
	Extremely unpleasant and repulsive.
	Synonyms, hateful, obnoxious, detestable, loathsome, and abominable.
	Yeah, I think that would kind of sum it up.
	I think there's going to crop up Obama the odious.
	I like that.
	Obama.
	It's pushing it, though.
	It's pushing it.
	These Russians are...
	Did you hear about this other trial?
	They're through.
	They're through being cool.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	It's all out now.
	It's all out war.
	And the crazy thing is, not a single outfit is acknowledging it.
	No one is saying, hey, man, we're under attack.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we're under attack by the Russians and the Chinese together.
	Did you hear about this other trial, the big one?
	No, and before you go to that, I want to say, why is RT even on the American cables?
	I mean, do we have a channel over there?
	I'm sure we have MSNBC over there, and they're all laughing at Rachel Meadow.
	Ha ha ha!
	Comrade, look at the Dykesky!
	Ha ha ha ha ha!
	What an idiot!
	Maybe.
	The court hereby finds the defendants, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak, guilty of telling slaves the truth.
	And our sentence is 72 hours of Pierce Morgan.
	The court is now adjourned.
	Do we have the best people in the universe producing our show or what?
	So, uh...
	By the way, it was funny.
	I just had a Pavlovian reaction because at the beginning it starts with...
	Right, and you went...
	And every time I hear that, I'm waiting to hear bullshit.
	Bullshit!
	Interesting.
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	In the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	Well, in the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	In the morning, all the ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	And to our artists, who are always working hard, we had an unbelievable amount of art for the previous episode.
	You can find it all at NoahGenerator.com.
	And we thank R.J. Hegedus, Sir R.J., Who graciously, I think he provided artwork for two shows in a row by some crazy coincidence of genius artwork.
	It's just been very good.
	But Nick the Rat, we do love you!
	I can see Nick going like...
	Newbies coming in.
	I think Martin J.J. kind of thinks the same, but Nick DeRat for sure, because he's the most active of our traditional artists.
	Martin J.J., it hasn't happened enough to him that he's put stuff up and something else got chosen and he's pissed off yet.
	But I can see Nick is, yeah, totally.
	Nick is like, hey man, I started doing all that crap, man.
	You know, we had so much art sent in that I think that what happened was somebody in some artist's forum said, hey, these guys are publishing, you can use it as a cheap thing.
	Yeah, as a way to promote yourself.
	That's the only reason it would jump that much.
	It went from like 10 to 50.
	Yeah, it's possible.
	It could be.
	Yeah, well...
	I'm sure we have some producers that we can thank here today, John.
	Yeah, we do.
	And just as you say that...
	The spreadsheet closed.
	Oh, no.
	I'm not quite sure how this happened, but I would like to profusely apologize to Baronetess Dame Janice Kang.
	I went back and listened to our last episode, and it was very interesting how, because we both have identical spreadsheets, and we're doing the executive producers, and we literally talk about one, and then we skip right over her, and I don't know why, and I'm trying to figure out what...
	Yeah, you're supposed to be my back.
	I know!
	And I think it's because there were two dames in a row or something.
	It was very, very weird.
	And I apologize.
	And she had put in $333.33, which I think was also the identical number of the other executive producer who was on Sunday's show.
	So really, really sorry.
	And I will read her note.
	Dear Speed Racer and Chim Chim, Am I Speed Racer, or are you Chim Chim, or what do you think?
	I have no idea.
	I meant to send this last month, but roofing repairs depleted my ITM funds.
	Please send karma and shake the rain sticks for California.
	Mutton and mead for the masses.
	Baronet Hess Janice Kang from Mil...
	Mil...
	P-Nuts?
	Milpanuts?
	That's what she says.
	Milpanuts.
	She's in...
	Milpitas?
	Milpitas, yeah.
	So she says Milpanuts, California.
	So I'm going to grab the rain stick while I hit some karma here.
	You've got karma.
	And thank you very much for the support.
	We highly appreciate it.
	And she'll be an executive producer today, correct?
	Yeah, and we're going to probably give her one for the Sunday.
	A lot of people came in, not a lot, her and also Ron in Holland came in for the Thursday show, and they were going to get double producerships, so we're going to give them today and Sunday.
	I have no idea what you just said.
	I really don't understand what you're talking about.
	Maybe I'm not being clear.
	I'll explain it later.
	But she knows what I'm talking about.
	Because we had double producerships for anyone who gave us over $200 over the last couple of shows.
	I know.
	I got the whole list from the shill.
	Yeah, I know.
	I saw that list.
	Yeah.
	Those will be on the website.
	And credits.
	We don't have to name them all.
	Show notes, yeah.
	Good.
	But we do want to thank our executive producers.
	We have a few today for today's show.
	Fourth of July.
	We're working.
	We're working Fourth of July.
	Live.
	Yes.
	David Burnaff in Raleigh, North Carolina.
	Uh...
	66669 and he says he's got an email.
	Let me see if he does.
	No.
	You are...
	We're so well prepared on this show, aren't we?
	We do everything.
	We do things in real time so this sort of thing happens.
	Why do we do things in real time?
	It's because we're...
	That's what we do.
	That's what the show is.
	It's real time.
	We're doing the show on the fly.
	The show is not rehearsed.
	It's not...
	You know, we compete with the clips and all the rest.
	And so this is part of it.
	And we just get the things in late at night.
	By the way, everyone who got in after midnight, you'll recall that on Sunday.
	And then we have these situations like this.
	I didn't know that he said that.
	And when I go look at my email, there's no note.
	Oh, come on.
	I must have a note.
	Burn F. B-U-R-N-E-F-F. Now, I got the via PayPal thing, but there's no attached note.
	So that didn't work out.
	Back to the spreadsheet.
	Where are you?
	Anyway, if he has no, we'll read it some other time because it was a good amount of money.
	Probably knighthood coming.
	Big Ass Blonde in San Antonio, Texas, 527.
	Happy 4th.
	I figured you'd deserve some overtime pay for working on the holiday.
	Oh, man.
	I can't wait to see her again.
	And she's also the sole 527 Club member on today's Best Podcast in the Universe.
	Indeed she is.
	She is!
	And I can't wait to see her.
	She's in San Antone, I think, but she'll be coming back to Austin, I'm sure, in the neighborhood.
	It's nice because she is a big-ass blonde.
	It's not really all that big, actually.
	It's kind of nice.
	Well, it depends on your perspective.
	I've never seen her butt.
	Well, I have.
	Miss Mickey has seen it, too, and we agree.
	Oh, do we have a...
	We need a third person for the butt panel.
	Yes, we need you to confirm the butt panel.
	Yes, anytime you can drop by and check out her butt, that would be fine.
	Ron, okay.
	Shuyen.
	Let me see.
	I don't...
	I don't have him on my list.
	What are you talking about?
	It's number four on the spreadsheet.
	Number four on my spreadsheet is Big Ass Blonde.
	Number four on your...
	We just did David Burniff, and then Big Ass Blonde would be the second person on the list.
	I'm telling you...
	Okay, so...
	Who's number one, then?
	It says name.
	Baronet S. Yeah, number one is name.
	Number two, if you're looking at cell numbers, Baronet S. Janice Kang.
	Number three, David Burniff.
	Number four, Big Ass Blonde.
	Then I have Dame Francine Hardaway.
	Well, you must have not loaded the last spreadsheet.
	Well, you can pronounce it for me.
	S-C-H-U-T-J-E-N-S. You should get the newer spreadsheet because it's got a bunch of checks in it.
	Was there a new one?
	It says spreadsheet with checks.
	Okay, well that came in at 11.03.
	I'm not looking at my email by that time.
	I'm playing the fat bitch.
	I'm rolling the show.
	Hey, we don't need excuses.
	I just want the pronunciation.
	Spell it again for me.
	S-C-H-U-T-J-E-N-S. S-C-H-U-I-T? No, no.
	S-C-H-U... Mm-hmm.
	T-J-E-N-S. Schutjes.
	Schutjens.
	Holy mackerel.
	That's impossible.
	Schutjens.
	You can say it.
	Schwitzjens. Schwitzjens. Schwitzjens.
	Can't be done. .
	It can be done.
	You can do it, John.
	Come on, you can do it.
	I'll do it.
	I'm going to start.
	I'm going to now take that.
	I'm going to, you know, Buzz, not Buzzkill, but Eric the Shill.
	Shillkill.
	Shillkill sent me a, for Christmas or my birthday, one of the two.
	Oh, no.
	My birthday.
	How to speak Dutch.
	A bunch of discs, and I'm going to have to do it.
	You know, he loves you.
	That's clear.
	He's in Sweet Lake City.
	Where's Sweet Lake City?
	Oh, Soutermier.
	Okay, I get it.
	No.
	Schutten, yeah.
	Ron Schutten in Sweet Lake City.
	That would be Soutermier, Sweet Lake City.
	No.
	Well, that's...
	Wow, that's nice.
	It's nice to get such a good donation.
	This was a...
	We passed him.
	He needs to be on Sunday, too.
	He sent us a...
	This was a direct deposit with a wire transfer.
	Wow.
	With IBAN and the whole thing?
	Yeah, I guess.
	All right.
	And then he has to say, well, he doesn't really say.
	New listener, four to five months, and urge to donate was finally too much after I read in the last newsletter about the double producership, which you'll get on Sunday, and show on my birthday.
	Oh.
	I can't think of a better present than listening to a live NA show on the 4th of July.
	So put him on the birthday list.
	Okay.
	And maybe you should do the birthday list since you're so good at pronouncing his name.
	Very funny.
	The most peculiar thing happened to me about a month ago where I got the phishing and malware warning using Chrome while checking my Gmail?
	Is this a mistake or is Google becoming more transparent to people about their own spying program?
	I wonder.
	Screenshot will be sent later.
	I would want to end by noting I got some problems with trying and hitting my girlfriend in the mouth.
	An example is when I told her it's important to be critical when reading and listening to any kind of report.
	This backfired!
	In such a way that for two whole weeks you would not accept any statement or argument whatsoever if I was not able to provide proof from at least three independent sources, reviewed, signed, and reviewed again.
	I think it's time for a new girlfriend.
	Yeah, I think so, too.
	But he needs some job karma, and then he'll be good to go.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Thank you very much for your support.
	You've got karma.
	And he was in, it was 34567.
	Nice.
	34567s.
	Dame Francine Hardaway is here at 333.69.
	She's been doing Google Glass.
	I've seen her on the Google+.
	It's pretty funny.
	Oh, I didn't.
	I haven't seen that.
	She's doing selfies.
	Selfies in the mirror.
	Selfies.
	I forgot that's what it was called.
	Selfies.
	Yeah.
	When did that become a thing?
	I don't know.
	When did it become...
	Hello?
	That's right.
	You're not on Facebook.
	That's all that Facebook is.
	It should be face selfie book.
	That's all that it is.
	Face selfie book.
	And everyone's going to get one big fat arm from holding the camera out and shooting pictures of themselves.
	I mean, it's even been a whole thing in the Zimmerman trial where the lawyer, the prosecutor, was it the defendant or whoever, did a selfie with his daughters and eating an ice cream, going like, yeah, we nailed it today.
	And the whole universe has become their own reality show of insanity.
	Yeah, that's pretty true.
	Pathetic.
	All right, onward.
	Francis and Nancy McClure are giving us a 33333.
	Let me see if I find that.
	They have a note here.
	They're from Texas, I think, right?
	Yep, Glanberry.
	Or Granberry.
	Cranberry.
	Cranberry.
	Gran, Granberry.
	Granberry.
	This is for the 4th of July show.
	Hope the check makes it in time.
	I don't trust PayPal.
	They are never wrong, so I'm sending by mail.
	I would like to donate this in the name of my son, James McClure, who lives in Austin.
	We met Adam on the Hot Pockets tour and are happy to call him a fellow Texan now.
	Right on.
	Yeah.
	So anyway, thanks to them.
	Sir Random Hillbilly in Wilkins, West Virginia.
	That's where you used to be from.
	33333.
	Not exactly Wilkins, but yeah.
	Sir Random Hillbilly.
	I don't know if I can just move this stuff here and close this.
	Sir Random Hillbilly.
	Warning others that the Portland to West Virginia migration is beginning.
	In other words, they're getting hipsters in West Virginia.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's tough.
	It's going to be tough.
	You guys can endure it, though.
	Just make sure there's a good supply of Pabst Blue Ribbon.
	Steven Fettig at 333 in Darien, Wisconsin.
	Please give a shout-out to Ramsey and the No Agenda CD project.
	Remember, that's also available as a podcast.
	Check out noagendacd.com.
	Keep hitting him in the mouth.
	Yeah, I also wanted to mention, because I got a note from Ramsey, they have a special Pipeline CD episode, and it's also available at noagendacd.com.
	If you want to hit someone in the mouth, this is the place to go because they've got all kinds of one, two, you know, two and a half minute clips of real nuggets that we've done and some longer episodes, but really it's just specific little pieces of, you know, it's our version of a giblet, really.
	And it's good.
	It's a good place to go if you want to just send someone a link to something no agenda related and get them into the show.
	Francis Lambert in Zabak.
	Croatia, or Zabik.
	Hey, welcome to the European Union.
	Yeah, good luck, 24343.
	I'm a French-Canadian married to a Bosnian living in Croatia and working in Germany.
	Wow, and you're still alive?
	I'm a change consultant and speak five languages.
	I've been listening since show 500 and thought it appropriate to give you some well-deserved value back.
	Looking forward to the next 43 episodes.
	He's been in 43 episodes, so it's 43.
	Get it?
	What is a change consultant?
	What do you think that is?
	Well...
	That's what we're going to find out because we're asking him now to explain himself in an email and then we'll go from there because he sounds like a valuable asset to the show.
	He does.
	Sounds like kind of an economic hitman type guy.
	Five languages.
	You know, he's from Croatia.
	French Canadian.
	Yeah, working in Germany.
	This is one of our dudes.
	Married to a Bosnian.
	Spy.
	Spy?
	What, for Canada?
	No, I think he's married to a spy.
	Oh, it could be.
	Bosnian?
	Yeah, maybe.
	Jerry Zack in Elektra, Texas.
	I love the name of that town, by the way.
	There's two towns in Texas I like.
	One is Elektra and the other one I think is called Atomic.
	You don't like LaGrange?
	No.
	233-16, I mean, I like the town, but I'm talking about the name of the town.
	LaGrange is not interesting.
	Okay.
	Atomic is.
	23369.
	ITM gents from Bone Dry Electra, Texas.
	Give them some stick there.
	I didn't have the stick handy.
	It has been so nice.
	It's been 92 degrees every single day.
	It's just been beautiful here.
	I'm telling you, this global cooling is fantastic.
	Yeah, normally it'd be hotter than that, wouldn't it?
	Well, we did have a few days.
	Let's see.
	Was it last Friday and Saturday was like 104 to 110?
	And then all of a sudden it was like, boom, down to 90s.
	And the night is like 78, 77 degrees.
	And this is the summer in Texas.
	People don't believe me.
	I get people emailing me or texting me even from the Netherlands saying, Man, how you doing in that heat?
	We hear America's on fire.
	You're burning up this global warming.
	It's going to kill us all.
	I'm like, no.
	It's beautiful here.
	Of course, they hear about the fires in Arizona.
	We've had fires since I was a little kid.
	Yeah, well, of course, there was 19 firefighters who died.
	No, that's a bad thing.
	That's a very bad thing.
	But they've been dying in these things since I was a little kid, too.
	Colin Sloman in London, UK. 200 bucks.
	He'll be our last associate executive producer.
	Live from Glastonbury, the slaves are getting their music fixed with mac and cheese.
	See photos sent by email.
	You rockin' producer.
	Colin Sloman.
	Yeah, there was some kind of like mac and cheese.
	It was actually a very sad statement about the United States, this Glastonbury, which is a big rock, big festival, multi-day festival.
	It had this kind of American diner-type thing, and it was really the most gaudiest, almost like a caricature of America, this booth.
	And they were selling mac and cheese on top of it all.
	This is our true export.
	We used to be known for country and western and jazz and all kinds of...
	Resident blues.
	Rhythm and blues and technology.
	Hey, mac and cheese!
	Wow, that's great!
	You Americans are fantastic!
	We love your mac and cheese!
	That is pathetic.
	So sad.
	So sad.
	We want to thank, these are our executive and associate executive producers for show 527.
	We want to thank them for helping us get through the 4th of July since we're working today.
	And remind people to go to Dvorak.org slash NADvorak, channeldvorak.com slash NA or No Agenda Show, NoAgendaNation.com.
	Click on the donate button there.
	It's better.
	I think the previous one was out of phase.
	This one's a little better.
	I've got the 339 El Cerrito, but I can't quite remember the zip code yet.
	945.
	945.
	3-0?
	Is that it?
	I don't know.
	Do you even know what it is?
	9453-0.
	9453?
	Okay.
	And of course, as always...
	Dvorak.org slash NSA. And just a quick PR mention outside of NoAgendaCD.com.
	There's a link in the show notes to the Team No Agenda Racing.
	We now have three riders, John, on Team No Agenda.
	We have three riders.
	They're still motorcycles.
	We haven't moved up to NASCAR yet.
	We're not at Formula One yet.
	No, this is a serious...
	So the video is three onboard cameras of the No Agenda racing team.
	And I think we have a pretty good shot of...
	We need to get one of these NASCAR trucks to just put the No Agenda sticker on there.
	You know, we also have, I think we're going to be represented at the Tour de France this summer with some no-agenda writers.
	You know, we're expanding.
	We're expanding our empire.
	Yeah, we've got to get some, yeah.
	Good.
	So link in the show notes for that and, of course, for everything else.
	And thank you so much to our executive producers and associate executive producers.
	And, of course, we'll have them listed along with the double credits for everyone from the previous two episodes.
	And on Sunday, we, what are you doing?
	I had a six-year-old here who makes less noise than you do when I'm talking.
	Go on.
	So we'll have everything listed in the show notes, and these are real credits.
	You can use them for a number of things, such as getting jobs.
	It's a very valuable possession, and we'll vouch for you if necessary.
	Yeah, no, it's a real deal.
	Yeah, it's no joke.
	People are like, what am I going to do?
	I see all the time people with this at the bottom of their, in their email signature.
	Executive producer.
	No agenda show.
	And you don't even have to put the episode there.
	I wouldn't do that, by the way.
	I just say, or associate executive producer.
	Yeah, it's fine.
	Good to go.
	Yeah, and put it on your LinkedIn.
	It's been proven.
	That's a little bit, you know, and leave out the details, which is very Hollywood-like.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But you put them in your LinkedIn profile.
	This is facts.
	It has been known to attract people to your profile.
	They're like, oh, that's interesting.
	Starlets.
	Yes, starlets and coke dealers will show up at your door.
	It's fantastic.
	You can always go out and propagate our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	New world border.
	Go someplace and shoot yourself.
	Shut up.
	I'm telling you, everyone's been busy for us here.
	I'm working very, very hard on making sure we have everything we need to produce the best podcast in the universe.
	And of course, we will be thanking more people later on during our thank you segment.
	So where are we right now?
	Oh, yes.
	We were talking about, we had that piece from RT about the drones, and I was, I'm not quite sure, maybe if we listen to this together, maybe you can tell me why this is happening.
	NBC aired an interview with a drone operator.
	Did you, by any chance, happen to see this?
	No, I think I saw a teaser for it, but I never did.
	I don't understand why they would allow this guy, unless they're working for the Russians, to embarrass this administration.
	I think we should listen to it together because it was shocking to hear what this guy had to say.
	Operate the camera.
	So, like, the camera, zoom in, zoom out, make sure that everyone can see a good picture, make sure it's in focus, guide the laser, shoot the spot tracker.
	How clear are the resolutions?
	How clear are these images?
	It's pretty clear.
	Depending on, like, atmospherics and what your elevation is at, it can be pretty clear.
	We're just sitting there.
	And we're like, okay, these guys are obviously bad guys, you know?
	The guy in the back hears the sonic boom when it reaches him.
	And he runs forward.
	We were actually told to get the two guys in front, worry about the guy in the back.
	There's a clue for us right there.
	When you hear the sonic boom, it's too late.
	That means the hellfire has been shot.
	Did you know this, that these things create a sonic boom?
	Yeah, when they're going faster than the speed of sound, they would make a pop.
	Later, follow him to wherever he goes.
	Guy in the back runs forward between the two, and we strike all three of them.
	And the guy that was running forward...
	When the smoke clears, there's a crater there.
	He's missing his right leg, and I watch this guy bleed out.
	And it's clear enough that I watch him.
	He's grabbing his leg and he's rolling.
	Like, I can almost see the agony on this guy's face.
	And eventually, this guy becomes the same color as the ground that he bled upon.
	What is this?
	This is what I was saying.
	I was blown away by this.
	This is NBC. They put this on the air.
	It's disgusting.
	NBC News.
	Oh, it gets better.
	You ready?
	Go.
	You watch him die.
	Yeah.
	Yeah!
	And I will say, I know drone operators who have been involved in the business who have left the business because this has to be one of the worst jobs in the world.
	And they're civilians.
	They're not even on forces.
	They're civilians operating this.
	Right, which makes them liable.
	We've talked about that before.
	Drone strikes are like mortar attacks, artillery.
	Well, artillery doesn't see this.
	Artillery doesn't see the result of their actions.
	It's really more intimate for us because we see everything.
	We see the before action and then after.
	And so I watched this guy...
	I watched him bleed out.
	I watched the result of...
	I guess, collectively, it was our action, but ultimately, I'm the responsible one who guided the missile in.
	So, when did you start feeling bad about this program, and why?
	Why did it start to eat away at your...
	Because I lost that respect for life.
	So you'd become an assassin?
	I'd become heartless.
	I'd become...
	And it, like...
	You felt like you were a hitman now.
	Not necessarily.
	I just felt like a sociopath, actually, if you want to say that.
	I wanted to kill these people.
	These were bad guys.
	We had a list of their accomplishments underneath them, but instead of being like, man, these guys need to die, but I'm really sad that we have to execute extreme measures, I was like, man...
	I can't wait for these guys to die.
	When I left the third SOS, they gave me a sheet of paper that had all my accomplishments on it.
	And they handed me this paper, so of all the missions combined, either...
	Notice that the paper probably actually said accomplishments.
	So he hates the word, but he said that in a way that, oh, here's all your accomplishments.
	Directly fired shots.
	Buddy lasers, bombs dropped from the aircraft that I guided in, insurgents, raids, people that were captured.
	It was 1,626 total people killed on every mission that I've ever been on.
	How did you feel when you saw that piece of paper and it written there, 1,626 dead people?
	Disgusted with myself, actually.
	I couldn't believe this was on NBC. I couldn't believe it was on anything.
	So, okay, so we got a couple interesting things here.
	One, they keep pushing the leading the witness with it.
	You felt like an assassin.
	Right.
	You felt like a hitman.
	Exactly.
	A lot of leading the witness.
	Exactly.
	Trying to get that.
	I mean, he never said that.
	He just felt like a nutball.
	But the one thing that I don't know if you noticed, what he says, first of all, it starts off with, we know he's a bad guy, so we can kill him, which is, of course, you know, extrajudicial.
	In other words, you're the...
	Court, you're the executioner remotely.
	It's a bull trap, by the way.
	You don't know anything about these people.
	You can't.
	It's impossible.
	But then he mentioned the one thing he says, and he used the word accomplishments again, but this is the first time he uses it.
	He says, when he was shooting, he says he knew because their accomplishments were underneath them.
	Remember that line?
	Yeah.
	That means on his heads-up display, what he's saying, as far as I can tell, there's nothing...
	Oh, yeah, when he was talking about seeing them on the display.
	To me, I got the visual of that being like a World of Warcraft, where you get someone's accomplishments when you have them in your sights.
	Well, I've never played World of Warcraft.
	I can't even pronounce it, let alone play it.
	But that was the visual I got when I heard him say that.
	Well, I got the visual that on the screen, there was like a little thing underneath the guy that was tracking the guy with his name and what he had done, all these murders.
	Yeah, and his accomplishments.
	Yeah, which, by the way, was not an accomplishment.
	But wait a minute, the bad guy's accomplishment or this guy's accomplishment?
	Both.
	Okay.
	These are accomplishments.
	You mean basically high score, is what you're saying?
	So, no, the point is, I think, is like you're driving to, this is what, somebody's got to explain this, some drone pilot.
	But it sounds, the way he's describing it, is he's got these guys in his sight, and underneath them, a little thing comes up, identifying them, saying, this is Bill, and he murdered an old lady.
	Right.
	And this is Jim, and he murdered his son.
	And right underneath, as they move around, because you can see it in real time, the guy walking, and the little thing underneath him moves with them, and they're good to go once they're identified.
	Good to kill.
	But it's like, this seems very sketchy.
	I don't care how pretty the picture is.
	It's still a video image from 15,000 feet or whatever those things are at.
	That's the other...
	Well, you know, I'm pretty sure that a lot of the visuals are quite good.
	When you look at some of the technology of Gorgon Stare and all this stuff...
	Yeah, I understand that.
	And they've got adaptive optics and they do all these really cool things.
	But you're still talking about a desert environment with a lot of motion in the air.
	There's things moving because the air is unstable, and so I don't see it being a really sharp image.
	I see it as seeing a wiggly image.
	Well, I think, well, probably when they're teeing him up and getting ready for the strike.
	That's when it may not be the clearest, but after the strike, they can have their other...
	I mean, I don't think...
	They may have multiple drones doing multiple things.
	Yeah.
	And we'll find out, because we know people.
	They'll let us know specifically about this question, because I know people who have left the program because their job was to go and retrieve images after the strike, and it was just messed up.
	It's just stupid.
	Oh, here's someone else's accomplishment.
	The funny thing, this guy didn't bring up the double tap, which is the...
	Well, this is only a piece of the interview, so I haven't seen the entire thing.
	This is the only piece that I got, and so there may be more to it.
	But now that I think about it, it sounds more like this is a great propagandistic thing, where...
	Yeah.
	For who?
	For the drone program, I think you're right.
	It was reinforcing the, well, it's a bad guy.
	It's clearly a bad guy, so he's got to die.
	But yeah, sure, I watched him bleed out.
	I don't know.
	I'm sure if we had someone who knows what they're talking about and we really could analyze this, there's a lot of programming in here that may actually be positive.
	Well, I think it's disgusting.
	Well, of course it is, but it's almost like the whole conversation now about Mr.
	Snowden, Edward J., Mr.
	Snowden, is about whether he's a traitor or not, and not about whether we're being spied on by our own government.
	This is what you do.
	You just move that conversation over.
	Yeah, well, that's what we do well, but it's not helping us when it comes to all of a sudden the re-emergence of a tepid war with Russia over some property that they lay claim to, Syria.
	Let's roll this out for a second.
	I have not heard this, so it might suck.
	Well, he sneaks around the world, dodging drones sent by Obama.
	He was an NSA contractor, but he snitched on all their plans.
	And if you go online and tune into No Agenda, you'll find out where in the world is Edward Joseph Snowden.
	That wasn't too bad.
	No, no, no.
	Too long.
	Yeah.
	It's a setup.
	It's a setup for the segment.
	Are we going to talk about Snowden for a minute?
	I would like to because there's a couple of really strange things happening.
	All right.
	I'm in.
	Okay.
	First of all, there is the WikiLeaks statement that he released.
	That immediately, anyone who actually took the time to read it instead of just reading a blog that points to another blog that says, hey, he posted something, the way it was written was very weird, and they have since changed that.
	Oh, they changed it?
	Yeah, because the language said the United States have...
	Whereas any American says the United States has.
	And this is a linguistic mistake that a lot of people picked up on immediately.
	You're thinking this was written by someone not from the United States.
	Oh no, most definitely not from the United States.
	Like maybe Julian Assange?
	Here is Mr.
	Snowden's puppet master.
	Because, of course, we don't even, this guy could be, he could be one of those things, one of those animatrons that they do, you know, what is that outfit that always makes those cool animated videos whenever something happens?
	Those guys in Japan?
	Yeah, those guys.
	I mean, we have no idea if Snowden is for real at this point.
	We really don't.
	I like the picture of him sitting at the cafe or wherever it was reading the Zeit.
	Did you see that one?
	No, no.
	Where's his girlfriend, by the way?
	I mean, we've got his dad, his phony dad.
	Yeah, but why isn't she being followed?
	Why doesn't somebody chat her up on CNBC? Yeah, exactly.
	We've got the camel toe pictures of her.
	We've got her on the stripper pole.
	Can we not have her on television, please?
	No.
	There were a lot of people who felt like the syntax and the voice of that statement did not sound even like a native English speaker.
	And I'm just curious, when you read that statement, what your reaction was to it.
	Of course I'm being speculative here because I don't actually know who wrote it or who influenced it.
	It seemed to me like the core ideas were very much consistent with how Edward Snowden thinks, but that it was sort of flavored with some person who isn't Edward Snowden.
	Cover up much, Glenn?
	It was flavored by someone else.
	Yeah.
	All the world really knows about him in terms of how he expresses himself is the video.
	It's that video, yeah.
	That Laura Poitras made of my interviewing him.
	and he's very mild-mannered, very soft-spoken, even though his ideas are very emphatic.
	So the idea that he won't accept asylum in Russia if he's not allowed to continue to leak, the idea that he thinks that the U.S. is being extremely unjust in its treatment of him and in pressuring other countries, those are all consistent with his philosophy, but I agree there was sort of a virulent tone to it that didn't strike me as his own.
	Then again, he's in a pretty stressful situation, given that he seems to be in suspended animation in an airport.
	suspended animation.
	There's another clue!
	Let's ask a good guy.
	Here's a question for you.
	Do you really think he's at that airport?
	No!
	The guy...
	No!
	He never...
	Of course not.
	Why would he be there?
	He was never even in Hong Kong.
	We don't even know if he was there.
	Actually, we don't know.
	He's in Alabama or somewhere.
	I'll go with that he was in Hong Kong.
	No, I won't even go there.
	I won't even go there.
	He was in Hong Kong and then we went to the airport and then the Russians came in immediately and said, you're coming with us.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I'm not buying that.
	I have huge doubts about this whole Snowden thing.
	And if I see one more picture of a street scene in Hong Kong with a telescreen in the background with a huge head of Snowden, which is obviously photoshopped.
	This whole thing is one gigantic scam.
	The whole thing is a scam.
	Did you read his note?
	I know it was lame.
	I am a stateless person.
	No, you're not.
	It's all a lie.
	What he's saying is factually untrue.
	Your passport being revoked does not mean you're a stateless person.
	As we've already shown, his passport really can't be revoked.
	No!
	The whole thing is bullcrap.
	I have another little interesting ditty I picked up here regarding how this all works.
	I need to remind people that Snowden did not...
	Uh, leak anything.
	You know, he's not put anything on BitTorrents.
	He's not, you know, uploaded anything to a public website.
	He apparently gave a PowerPoint to the Washington Post and to Glenn Greenwald while his, uh, his buddy, the, uh, the filmmaker who made, who was making a documentary.
	This whole thing is going to be a feature film.
	You're all going to go watch it.
	You're going to pay 17 bucks to go see it, whatever.
	Um, He has not actually done anything himself.
	He has given things, if we believe it, he has given these PowerPoints to Glenn.
	And on the C-spans, Bob Schieffer has his own little show.
	Have you ever seen this?
	He has the Bob Schieffer School of Journalism.
	No, I've never seen this.
	When is it on?
	Thursday nights at 8 o'clock.
	I don't know.
	Who knows when it's on?
	It's the Central 6-7.
	Exactly.
	6-7, exactly.
	So he has the Bob Schieffer School of Journalism thing.
	It's like some foundation.
	And it's on C-SPAN. And he has on Barton Gelman.
	And Barton Gelman, I guess, has been around.
	He's written books.
	The Washington Post apparently hired him specifically to report on the Snowden affair, which right there is hugely suspicious.
	Why couldn't they have their staff reporters do it?
	Why did they have to bring in the special guy?
	And just to reiterate what we know happened, as we heard from the Guardian editors on Sunday's show, they were on Charlie Rose, they were saying, well, we got the document and then we took that to the State Department, to the Defense Intelligence Agency.
	We took it to the NSA, we took it to the CIA, we showed it to the White House, and we said, do you have any concerns, is there any national security concerns about publishing this?
	And they said, no, not a problem at all.
	Not a problem at all.
	Good to go.
	Good to go.
	Go ahead and publish it.
	Well, the same thing happened with the post.
	Security might be damaged.
	So here, that's Bob Schieffer saying, was there anything, were you worried that the national security might be damaged by publishing this?
	With what you published.
	Yeah, I did.
	I mean, over my career in journalism, having covered a lot of national security stories, there have been quite a few times when I saw a really hard balance to be struck and when I've had conversations with the government about their concerns.
	And we had those conversations this time, and I'll tell you how I started the first conversation.
	I said, I'm not going to hand you this document that I have, but here's the date and title and author, and I know you can find it.
	And before we start talking, I just want you to know that everything from slides 21 to 27, we're not even thinking about publishing.
	Let's talk about the rest.
	And this is the way you presented it to the Post?
	Kind of in that way?
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, when I came to the Post, I had a similar conversation.
	I said...
	I mean, you're going to make your own decisions.
	Because I no longer work there full-time.
	I did for 21 years.
	I came back to them on contract for this story.
	So you'll make your own decisions about what you're willing to publish.
	And at the start of the conversation, this is the part I would not myself be willing to publish.
	So this is Bob Schieffer being a total idiot and not listening.
	He's thinking about the double martini he has lined up.
	Because the guy...
	The guy just said, and I think this is why this clip is important, the guy just said he's a contractor who came in specifically for this story for some reason that he doesn't explain, and of course Schieffer, instead of jumping on that and saying, well, why were you...
	Who picked to do this story?
	And who picked you?
	And the way I heard it is this guy had the document.
	He went to the government and said, well, here's what I'm not going to publish, but here's the document.
	I'm not going to do pages 21 through 47.
	Okay, well, then the question still needs to be asked.
	No, but wait.
	But then, I think then he went to the Post and he was hired.
	Well, then the question still needs to be asked, which is what I was going to say.
	Where did he get the document to begin with since he wasn't a reporter?
	I mean, he was in the past, and now he's doing what?
	We have to find whoever he's working for now is the key to this.
	And does Schaefer ask him, oh, well, who were you working for between when you used to be a reporter and when you came to do this contract job?
	What were you doing in the middle there?
	How did you get this document?
	How does that work?
	Explain it to me.
	He said that, right?
	No, he didn't say.
	The whole rest of it was an hour-long show.
	It was incredibly boring about, you know, bleh, bleh.
	Why wouldn't he ask?
	That's the first question you would ask.
	Schieffer is a douche.
	No, he's not.
	He's just...
	I don't know what his problem is.
	He doesn't listen.
	No, no.
	He was not listening at all.
	Here's Barton Gelman from the Book of Knowledge.
	After 21 years on the staff of the Washington Post, Gelman resigned in February 2010 to concentrate on book and magazine writing.
	Now holds positions as senior fellow at the Century Foundation.
	There you go.
	That's it.
	What's the Century Foundation?
	Well, let's find out.
	He's also contributing editor-at-large of Time Magazine.
	Well, hello...
	How come he didn't give the article to Time Magazine?
	I don't know.
	Huh?
	I don't know.
	Can I ask you, this has always bothered me.
	What significance does the, in a title, does the at-large mean?
	I've never understood this.
	It means you don't have a specific beat.
	Can I just say I am the podcaster at large?
	Yeah.
	Hello, Adam Curry, podcaster at large.
	You could.
	It's just a bogus thing.
	It doesn't mean anything.
	It's just bullcrap.
	Okay, thank you.
	Well, I've always wondered because I'm the editor at large.
	I was once, when I was the editor of InfoWorld and I quit to just write columns and go off and not do anything...
	I wanted to keep a title there for a while, and I kept for about two years.
	I was one of my favorites.
	I don't see too many people using this.
	Now it's used all the time.
	Consulting editor.
	Yeah, nice one.
	Consulting editor.
	It's a beauty.
	I was a consulting editor there for two years.
	Well, what did you do?
	Nothing?
	Okay, well that was my job.
	At Time, Gellman's work has included cover stories on extremist domestic militias, on FBI Director Robert Mueller, and on the early influences in the life of Republican Party presidential nominee Mitt Romney.
	He also writes Time's counter-spy blog on digital privacy and security.
	Why didn't Time get the story?
	I don't know.
	He wasn't large enough.
	No.
	Well, what is the Century Foundation?
	Looking at it, it's like, it's just a really vague foundation.
	It looks like a front for something.
	Well, of course it's going to be a front for something.
	Really?
	But who is it the front for?
	Who else is it?
	I'm trying to find it.
	I can't find anything here.
	Oh, come on.
	Here it is.
	Experts and staff.
	Go to experts and staff.
	Let's see who's in here.
	Looks like in, let's see.
	Orton Abramowitz.
	We're in policy wonks.
	Hey, wait a minute.
	Where did I just...
	Where did I see...
	He's also...
	Abramowitz?
	Abramowitz is also the head of the International Crisis Institute.
	That's the Morsi thing.
	Or the ElBaradi thing.
	That's interesting.
	Hold on a second.
	It's the Crisis...
	Isn't it called the Crisis Institute?
	The Crisis Group.
	Crisis Group.
	Here.
	Let me see Board of Directors.
	Crisis Group.
	Morton.
	Here.
	Executive Committee.
	Morton Abramowitz on the Executive Committee of the Crisis Group.
	And here he is.
	He is a senior fellow at the Century Foundation.
	It's all of this stuff.
	All of this.
	Who is this Abramowitz?
	Who is this guy?
	He's got to have some government background.
	Let's see.
	What is he doing?
	Oh, yeah.
	Department of State.
	Numerous positions in the Department of State.
	Also serving as acting president of the International Crisis Group, a multinational non-government, or blah, blah, blah.
	Prior to joining the Carnegie Endowment in August 1991, these guys are all together.
	He was an ambassador to Turkey.
	He's also served as assistant secretary of state for intelligence and research, Intel.
	United States Ambassador to the Mutual and Balanced Force Reduction Negotiations in Vienna.
	What kind of bullcrap title is that, United States Ambassador to the Mutual and Balanced Force Reduction Negotiations in Vienna?
	Ambassador to Thailand?
	It sounds like a spook.
	Most of them are, of course.
	Wow.
	So this is what it is.
	So you can't say that this journalist is an independent journalist.
	He's not.
	This guy, he's influenced.
	Yeah, this is an agency operation.
	Yeah, it's a total agency.
	And if he was spying, if he wrote a book or was covering Mueller, then you've got to think he was CIA. Well, let's find out what the book about Mueller was.
	What's his last guy's name?
	This is how we do it in real time, ladies and gentlemen.
	This is how we do it.
	In real time, we do a better job than the networks, which have huge staffs.
	And money.
	And money.
	Actual dough.
	Actual money.
	Here we go.
	His name is Gelman.
	G-E-L-L-M-A-N. Barton Gelman.
	He's a Pulitzer Prize-winning American journalist, a blogger, and best-selling author.
	And while you're looking at that, let me see what else he's done.
	He wrote the book on Dick Cheney.
	Gellman broke important stories about the use of intelligence leading to the war in Iraq, including the first public reporting on the secretive White House Iraq group.
	Okay, so...
	This is an interesting guy.
	Yeah, he's one of those guys that, you know, I'm not going to say that somebody else writes all this stuff for him, but he's got a lot of it.
	All the stuff is Washington Insider stuff.
	You know what, because you're a writer?
	Martin Gelman says Dick Cheney is a liar.
	Oh, so the guy's a genius, huh?
	He's got a crystal ball or something.
	Oh, wow.
	How'd you come up with that?
	It's okay, John.
	You're a writer, so you can't say that.
	I'll say it.
	Barton Gelman is a CIA asset, and if he's writing any of these stories, he's probably getting them handed to them by Project Pundit or any of the other secret ops where they literally just write it for these guys and just hand it over.
	So he gets the documents, and he says, okay, why don't you go take this to the Post?
	The thing is, the guy is not photogenic.
	He He doesn't have a story.
	There's nothing behind it.
	And I don't know if they gave it to him first.
	It sounds like, from what we know, they gave the documents to him first to expose.
	They didn't do anything with it, or maybe the post, for whatever reason, delayed it.
	I heard that it was said over and over again, the post sat on the story.
	Right, because they didn't...
	So they had to take it up a level and give it to all people.
	I'm sure nobody likes him.
	He's...
	Which he's supposed to be a personable person, but a hard guy to work with is, although that could be bullcrap too, but they gave it to Glenn Greenwald who takes it, you know, he knows how to run with a story.
	I'm sure they'd love it if Glenn, who's been sitting essentially on every talk show in the world, giving himself as much publicity as he can, I'm sure they would have rather not him ever have anything to do with this.
	Hey, Salty Hash, fuck off.
	What are you telling me?
	No, I'm talking to the chat room.
	Sorry.
	Let's get Salty Hash out of the chat room.
	Kick him out.
	Yeah, someone will now.
	You see, people say, there you go, Adam.
	Just call him CIA and be done with it.
	We're doing analysis in real time.
	I would say that considering where he works now and this Time Magazine thing and this story that he has and nobody else has because somebody handed it to him on a silver platter, obviously, I wouldn't make the argument against that comment.
	Sorry, I haven't gotten irritated by the chatroom in a long time, but it's just...
	You know, on 4th of July, we get weirdos in, I guess.
	I don't know what's going on.
	Well, just keep them out.
	Yeah, but, you know, I think we've...
	Well, new people who come in, they don't really...
	They don't have the backstory.
	We know about all these covert operations.
	You go look at the church commission, where...
	It was admitted that Time Magazine has CIA agents writing and on the editorial staff.
	Which has got to be a really easy to do gig because you don't have to do much writing.
	God, I could use it.
	It's like being a writer.
	I could use a gig like that.
	That's what I'm thinking.
	It's like being a writer and having...
	It's kind of like the way when I do my books.
	I used to do these big fat books.
	They were all...
	Everybody wrote about me.
	Except I, you know, beefed them up so I at least had some noise.
	Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
	Hold it, hold a second.
	You didn't write telecommunications for DOS? If you read the opening of the...
	Everybody had a chapter assigned to them.
	And they wrote them, and then I just went there and plugged in my voice.
	But it's apparent.
	You can't write a book.
	This book was 1,200 pages, and it was produced in less than a year, and I'm a columnist that has to write routinely.
	I always wondered about that.
	Nobody could write a book.
	Nobody in their right mind writes a big right book.
	But you had your head on the front cover going like, hey!
	Hey, by the way, I never wanted my head on the front cover.
	I never liked my head on the front cover.
	And it had a gold star that said, instant bestseller.
	I saw it.
	That was fun.
	But it was the head that bugged me.
	Who made that decision?
	No, the book was written by a team of people.
	Who made that decision?
	O'Reilly?
	And it's the only way to do a book like that.
	I didn't know this.
	Of course, I've never actually read the book.
	I'm like, eh, all right.
	I don't need to know about Terminal.
	Anyway, you might have learned something.
	But it was written by a team of people, which is big books are all written by teams of people.
	And that's when you wonder about some of these guys who are full-time journalists working at a newspaper, and all of a sudden a huge book comes out.
	John Markoff's working on a book right now, a New York Times science writer, and he has to take a leave of absence.
	And the book will be maybe 350, 400 pages when he's done it, but he'll work on it for a year.
	He's not working at the Times during the leave of absence.
	But these other guys, they're working on day-to-day and then they're cranking out an 800-page book?
	You're telling me that's not written by the CIA? It's obvious it is.
	Thank you for clarifying.
	You're absolutely right.
	I mean, this is...
	You've got to wonder how much is actually written by the CIA. People always think CIA, you know, ops and all.
	I heard a BBC, it was crazy, a BBC, what is it on NPR, it's like, what the hell is your world?
	I don't know.
	It's like NPR for some reason is all BBC now.
	I don't know when this happened or when this was approved or when this was okay to do.
	It's cheap.
	Well, maybe.
	There's a whole bunch of Brits on, and then they had this call-in show, and there were five former CIA... They're all consultants now.
	Five former CIA agents, and they were all talking about, oh, it's a lot of paperwork, and oh, it's not what people think.
	I'm like, oh my God, I can't believe there's five of you on the phone.
	And they're just analysts, consultants, and they're writers.
	This is...
	It's all that it is.
	Your entire world is run by the CIA. The CIA runs the United States of America, and they are pissed off at the NSA because Kaiser Alexander gets to make his own crazy uniform.
	He's got huge buildings and bunkers, and they're impenetrable.
	They've got anti-tank measures outside, and it was time to tap this guy down a little bit.
	That's what's going on here.
	I'm totally convinced that's correct.
	And before I went off about my books, the big books, I will say that it would be cool...
	To be one of these writers because you have a team of people working for you full time.
	It's like, you know, there are writers that can afford that, but most writers can't afford to have a bunch of minions writing stuff for them.
	It's just not possible.
	It's too expensive.
	But if you have a bunch of guys doing it for free, geez, you get the salary and you probably get an extra pension payment from those guys.
	It's dynamite.
	I mean, they even gave Anwar Al-Awlaki hookers.
	I mean, come on.
	Do you read about that?
	Yeah.
	It's funny.
	Yeah.
	It's like, hey, why don't you come speak at the Pentagon and we'll do a little luncheon thing.
	And oh, and by the way, we have a special guest surprise for you tonight at the hotel.
	I mean, it's so obvious.
	No job, Betty.
	This is so obvious what's going on here.
	I mean, these generals are getting it.
	The generals and the...
	I gotta read this.
	Yeah, until they're not useful anymore.
	I gotta read this email.
	Hold on a second.
	Where is it?
	It's under...
	Well, I thought I had...
	Here it is.
	Justin.
	Producer Justin.
	In fact, you know what?
	I'm gonna do it just because I can.
	Adam just read his email.
	That's the ending.
	Producer Justin says, Adam, I love what you guys are talking about on the show about the ridiculous number of general officers in the military.
	Notice how he addresses them as general officers.
	As a junior officer in the Army, I spend upwards of 20% of my personal pay on things like pens, pencils, notebooks, and printer paper so my soldiers can function on a day-to-day basis.
	And I'm sure the GOs don't spend a lot of their personal pay just to keep their job.
	Instead, they roll around with their personal chauffeurs in a government-owned and fueled vehicles.
	I get it.
	Perks come with a job, but we, the military, are also accountable to the American public and the money they put into our pockets.
	And they're alienating.
	This is all alienating.
	Yeah.
	Well, let's put yourself in one of these guys, Dempsey.
	You got all these perks.
	You got a secretarial staff.
	You got a limo.
	You got a chopper.
	Any place you want to go around town.
	Dude, you have a motorcade.
	A motorcade.
	You got a motorcade.
	You got free trips to Europe.
	Whatever you want.
	You don't have to spend a nickel of your own money.
	And then you take the $185,000 and they pay you or whatever it is for a general.
	Probably more for the chief of staff.
	And you just bank it.
	That's just walking around money.
	And or you invest it in hot stocks that you're told to invest in.
	Right.
	I mean, a lot of these guys get filthy rich.
	Investing in the stock market is a risky business.
	You can't be hitting home runs left and right.
	Which brings us to another thing that was brought up.
	Before we do that, I just wanted to say one last thing about this.
	You know the Band of Brothers?
	Yeah.
	The movie?
	Yeah, the movie.
	So the 101st Airborne.
	I guess it was the 101st 506 Division.
	These are the guys, like a TV show, a movie.
	They're the guys who got blown up at the Ford operating base in Afghanistan.
	That was in the Argo.
	Was it the Argo movie?
	No, not Argo.
	In the Compromise Bin Laden movie.
	That one.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Right.
	We Got Bin Laden.
	Is that the name of it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the We Got Bin Laden, Obama's awesome propaganda movie.
	Remember that one?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it was a good one.
	This outfit, it's the 506 Parachute Infantry Regiment.
	Because of the sequestration, and these guys have been around, I think since the Civil War.
	You know, the Normandy, these are the guys.
	This is like, if you want to have an awesome, like, if you want to call anyone a hero in the military, these are the guys.
	Their unit's about to be chopped up, just done.
	Just go home.
	Because of this, everyone in the military hates Obama.
	They hate him.
	That's all I hear.
	They hate him.
	They hate that all his generals are walking around.
	They got all the hookers and literally.
	And the guys that are kind of good, they've been kicked out.
	They've been pushed out.
	They've been moved out.
	I'm amazed we don't have an Egypt situation here.
	Well, we've done a pretty good job, I think, of placating the public.
	They don't even know what we're talking about on this show, for example.
	Nobody's talking about it.
	We've got the public completely buffaloed.
	John, I'm watching.
	I've got CNN on the corner.
	I see live General Dempsey singing the national anthem at a ball game.
	Are you kidding me?
	All right.
	Good work, Dempsey.
	I mean, you've got guys sitting in the sand right now, waiting to get fired, and Dempsey is singing the national anthem.
	Yeah.
	Probably at the Boston game.
	He probably took a special flight to Boston.
	What do you mean special flight?
	He jumped in his jet.
	It's his own plane.
	No, it's not a Challenger.
	It's a Gulfstream.
	Okay, he's got a big Gulfstream.
	Yeah, the G5. G5, and he goes up to Boston, and then he gets a limo entourage ride to the mall park.
	No, no, no.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Back it up.
	His motorcade has already flown in the night before.
	Okay, so they're rested.
	So they're rested.
	They're good to go.
	So he's got his 24 motorcycles.
	His limo is there with the backup limo just in case that one breaks.
	And then he's going to land at National.
	And then he takes the helicopter to the pad where he can rest up for a second and get his composure together.
	You can't do that.
	So have you ever tried to do your hair on a Gulfstream?
	It sucks.
	It's just no good.
	Why doesn't he fly into Boston?
	Hartford or whatever it is.
	That's Atlanta, I think.
	I'm making it up now.
	But anyway.
	Yeah, no, but it's something like that.
	It's like that.
	And he gets to be at the ball game, watch a good game, and then salute and, you know, go back to work.
	Salute.
	And they probably would do a flyover since he's there.
	It would cost like a quarter of a million dollars in taxpayer funds.
	General, I got an idea.
	Should we do a flyover on the stadium?
	Yeah, good one.
	Wait a minute.
	Wait, wait.
	Circle back.
	I didn't get a picture.
	I'm sorry.
	It is that disgusting.
	It truly is that disgusting.
	They're very cavalier.
	Yeah.
	And they don't care.
	They throw it in your face and the public eats it up.
	I bet you they get Dempsey at the ballpark.
	He stands up and in the audience, ladies and gentlemen.
	And then he stands up and he gets a huge standing O from the entire audience of the ballgame.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	It's gold.
	It's very much like Hayden said.
	Hayden, of course, was the...
	Is he a general or an admiral?
	Yeah, he was a Navy Admiral.
	And then he was head of the NSA, then he became head of the CIA, and now he's trying to defend himself against international indictments.
	He was on, I think he was with Bob Schieffer, and he kind of nails it.
	This is what we hear over and over again from everybody, and this is why the title of our last show was Meh, because we are the United States of America.
	Like, meh, we don't care.
	And he just reiterates how dumbed down we've become to all of this.
	Look, one of the results of the Snowden leaks is that it's launched a national debate about the balance between privacy and security.
	I'm convinced the more the American people know exactly what it is we are doing in this balance between privacy and security, the more they know, the more comfortable they will feel.
	So frankly, I think we ought to be doing a bit more to explain what it is we're doing, why, and the very tight safeguards under which we're operating.
	You know, this...
	How comfortable are you feeling, John?
	Are you feeling comfortable with how everything's going?
	Is it good for you?
	Ah, meh.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'm going to show myself the world by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	The world is...
	We do have a few people to thank for a good part of our donations today.
	July the 4th, the day we're actually working in real time.
	Anonymous from Anonymous, or Anonymous actually from Sweden, 19840, William Hague's speech is now my ringtone.
	You missed his doublespeak.
	In our countries, it exists to protect their, our country's freedoms.
	Most likely referring to the intelligence.
	Wait a minute.
	Let me see if I get this.
	I'm not getting it.
	In our countries...
	Well, should we listen to it?
	Yeah.
	I don't remember what it was called.
	William Hague's speech is not my ringtone.
	You missed the double speech.
	In our countries, it exists to protect their, our country's freedoms.
	Most likely referring to the intelligence-sharing countries.
	Here it is.
	Here it is.
	Intelligence work takes place within a strong legal framework.
	We operate under the rule of law and are accountable for it.
	In some countries, secret intelligence is used to control their people.
	In ours, it only exists to protect their freedoms.
	I don't think you got it right.
	Nah, I don't know.
	It's hard to say.
	It's bad enough.
	There'll be more to come from this clown.
	Well, thank you very much, Anonymous in Sweden.
	Christine Zachman in Lost Wages, Nevada, $118.
	After listening to John's theory on the 33 meme, I saw during the local newscast as they were showing the Boston feat of the manhunt.
	A name came across the ticker at the bottom of the screen, Richard H. Donahue, 33, shot during gun battle.
	I knew right away it was a CIA setup.
	If you look into this, you'll notice they didn't remove the bullet so no one can prove friendly fire.
	Thanks for a great show.
	Yeah!
	She's got something going on.
	Thank you, Christine.
	What do we got here?
	We got Murray Stone.
	Murray Stone, who sent us a note.
	He's in Stowe, Vermont.
	And it says, thanks for the excellent show.
	It's in cursive, by the way.
	And by the way, you can't read cursive through the envelope.
	And thanks for the tip about Audacity.
	I have been looking for a way to bust your long MP3s up into smaller pieces.
	It works great.
	In exchange for this donation, please send me some job karma.
	Okay, we'll give them some job karma.
	Okay.
	You've got karma.
	Anyone who goes into trouble sending a check...
	Can expect some job karma.
	Matthew Wilbur.
	Maybe that should be one of our new policies.
	We read your note if you send a check.
	Yeah, that would be good.
	Assuming, yeah, well, he's going to send us.
	I know there's one guy that used to constantly do a PayPal for one cent.
	Yeah, we're not going to read your note for that.
	He would keep doing this.
	He did it and did it and did it, and we just stopped paying attention, because it always came through as zero, because PayPal takes the penny.
	So he's essentially stupidly sending PayPal money.
	And then he stopped listening to the show.
	I will show those idiots, here's a penny, which you get nothing from.
	Yeah, I'm sure it was amusing.
	He did it for almost six months.
	I just got to break this for a second.
	I got to read this to you.
	This made me curious.
	Adam, I've been listening to No Agenda since the start of the year and loving it.
	Thanks for an entertaining and informative show.
	As I respect your value-for-value funding model, I figure that I owe you an explanation as to why I won't be donating for the foreseeable future.
	Living outside of the U.S., any money that I might send to the show would end up in the broader American economy, where a portion would be taken by your government and used to fund drone strikes, torture and surveillance of people throughout the world.
	It's really crappy that good guys like yourself and John end up caught in the middle of this, but I hope you can see why I can't in all good conscience send money into the U.S. Doing so would simply be proxy funding for your government's war on the rest of the world.
	Sincerely, Patrick.
	Well, let's hope that that logic doesn't play out.
	Right?
	I mean, it's a reasonable excuse.
	We, uh, we, uh, whatever.
	Spit in the bucket.
	Speak for yourself.
	Murray Stone, Stoverman 100.
	Matthew Wilber 100 from Rutherglen, Virginia.
	That's where you came from.
	Got $100 from the Microsoft Cash for Apps program and wanted to pass it along.
	If you're interested, slaves with kids looking to get their mac and cheese can check out my app.
	Available on Android and iOS.
	Just look for the prize inside.
	Ooh, it's like a Cracker Jack box.
	All right.
	Benjamin Ritgers in Ames, Iowa, who also sent in a note.
	I think you two were right a couple of episodes ago when you said Mitt Romney was planning to run for president in 2016.
	I answered a political survey that hinted in that direction.
	Huh?
	He's hitting his friend Jerry in the mouth by singing jingles.
	She likes to try macaroni at various restaurants.
	Wait a minute.
	How is the name Jerry spelled?
	G-E-R-I-E. G or J? G. Okay.
	I just want to make sure I know who's who here.
	She likes to try macaroni and cheese at various restaurants.
	This, by the way, is a trend.
	There's a bunch of trucks, you know, these food trucks in San Francisco.
	They all have mac and cheese.
	Oh, mac and cheese!
	Oh, let's get some mac and cheese.
	It's disgusting.
	So when she orders mac and cheese, he sings the mac and cheese jingle.
	And for those of you who do not know the mac and cheese jingle...
	Living the mac and cheese life.
	Mac and cheese by Ayn Rand.
	Alright, onward.
	Where were we?
	Matthew Wilbur, Rickers, Brock Harvey, and Prince Albert Rupert.
	Prince Rupert in a can.
	British Columbia, Canada.
	He's a professional radio operator for the Canadian Coast Guard.
	Station's call sign is VAJ. Victor Apple Jerry, if you are able to try and tune up to 2182 kilohertz sometime and listen to the Marine FMF distress and calling frequency, we get a ton of skip.
	And I also often hear all around the world and have work at Maydays thousands of miles away.
	Unfortunately, I can't afford to contribute more than I do, but my wife and I get entertainment, more entertainment from you than from any other source.
	Oh.
	Hold on, let me send him a little code back.
	Brian Hall in Ann Arbor, Michigan, 7473.
	He's also a ham, by the way.
	He says 73 from Moses.
	It's from Moses Hall.
	Kevin ate thanks in year.
	Will you please stop doing that?
	That's like all the hams over 75 do that.
	Kilo 8 Tango India Yankee.
	Okay?
	We're just going to do it the proper way.
	James Murray and Huntington Beach 7413.
	These are our 74 people that send in.
	This is a commemorative donation.
	He's doing it in honor of Doug Engelbart.
	Patrick Coble, Nashville, Tennessee.
	Daniel Terrellio in Charleston, South Carolina.
	Thomas Nussbaum, Sir Thomas Nussbaum, do you?
	In Virginia Beach, Virginia.
	St.
	Nicole.
	And St.
	Nicole.
	Matthew Medina in Plano, Texas, which is right up the road from here.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	MC Square, Davenport, Iowa.
	Noel Vincente in Landing, New Jersey.
	Dwayne Biblo in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
	We got him on the birthday list.
	Sam Leung in Toronto, 74-13.
	David Perico, Cedonia, Arizona.
	Keith Gibson, Holly Springs, North Carolina.
	J.K.L.M. Inc.
	in Hilton Head.
	Unbelievable place, by the way.
	Hilton Head, South Carolina, 7413.
	Robert Montoya in Pleasant Hill, California, down the street from me.
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	Stephen Stephen.
	Sorry, Stephen.
	Sir, Baron Grand Duke Pelsmokers.
	Hey, now.
	7413.
	Morton Kiernan in Copenhagen, 7413.
	And finally, Narada Stapel in Safety Bay, Australia.
	Those people all got in on the 7413 thing.
	Thank you very much.
	We also have a lot of people who did 40...
	What was it?
	4713.
	4713.
	Or 4731.
	Wasn't it 47?
	No, no, it was 13.
	13 is the...
	Oh, no, 13.
	Yeah, 4713.
	Actually, it was only like four people.
	It wasn't all that much.
	One, two, three, four, five.
	One, two, three, four, five.
	There's only five.
	Yeah.
	So, hey, great promotion, John.
	I'm happy.
	I'm happy.
	People stepped up.
	It's 4th of July.
	We could have had nothing.
	Yeah, which we would have had normally.
	So now we have...
	Hello?
	69!
	69, dudes!
	Unfortunately, it grew.
	So it's not going to fade yet.
	Julio Percival in Los Angeles, California.
	Howl the footie says.
	Anonymous in Spookville, Virginia.
	Yay.
	Isn't that all of Virginia?
	69, 69.
	Joseph Abreu in Lisbon.
	69, 69.
	Portugal.
	Steven Pelsmacher is again the Grand Duke Baron.
	He can't resist this, by the way.
	He says, it's always handy to have around.
	He's on the move.
	Wait, wait, let me give him the actual Swazenov karma.
	You've got karma.
	He's on the move.
	Yeah, right.
	Stacey Tarpley in Webster Grove, Missouri.
	Jack Mangano in Avondale, Arizona.
	Joe Wagner in Atlanta.
	Audrey Symes in St.
	Louis.
	And, whoops, you didn't close out.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	69, 33.
	69, dude!
	Yeah!
	She's picking up on the 69-33 idea, by the way.
	Simon Taylor, 69 even in Chichester, West Sussex.
	Chichester?
	Wait a minute.
	Chichester?
	I think that's where they have an airfield with a racing track around it.
	Is that Chichester?
	I don't know.
	I've been there, I think.
	I think I've been there.
	I'll look it up on the wiki.
	I'm going to look it up right now.
	Royce Kokami in Aiea, Hawaii, 64-64.
	Scott Olson, 56-33, San Diego.
	John White in 56-33, Jackson, Tennessee.
	Paolo.
	I was right.
	It's Goodwood.
	Oh, Goodwood.
	Goodwood.
	Well, it's a racetrack and it has a grass airport right in the middle of the racing track.
	Okay, Paola Valencia Duarez in Zurich, Switzerland, says he needs some karma for a cool job.
	His last donation, he asked for karma to get his holiday apartment in the Swiss Alps.
	Got it.
	And we're welcome to visit.
	Hey!
	Let's hand him some karma, then.
	You've got karma.
	All we need now is tickets.
	Yeah.
	Matthew Januszewski in Chicago.
	50.
	These are all 50.
	Wait, did you get Sir Alan Bean?
	I think you might have skipped him.
	Oh, Sir Alan Bean here in Oakland.
	He sent us a nice little note, by the way.
	He sends us a $50 donation every month.
	This is symbolic from my July 4th show.
	It's my 41st anniversary of joining the U.S. Navy in 1969.
	Wow.
	He's...
	He has some nasty thing to say about the Vietnam War.
	Matthew Januszewski.
	Which you're not going to share with us.
	Adam Hebert in South Windsor, Connecticut.
	Josh McDonald in Brunswick, Victoria.
	Greg Runsell, good old Greg, Sir Greg, actually, $50 in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
	And finally, Carl Barron in Malmo, Sweden, along with Aidan Clark in North Lakes, Queensland, Australia.
	A lot of Australians came in today.
	It's nice.
	I want to thank them and everyone else who donated, especially all the five people in the 4713 Club.
	And I would like to point out that Josh McDonald, and I think a couple people mentioned this maybe on Twitter where I saw it.
	Josh sent us $50 and he said, here's what would have been my Wikipedia donation.
	Right.
	Since they're acting shady, my regular subscription, of course, will go on.
	And I've also seen people say the same thing about WikiLeaks, that they want to give, what they would have donated to them, they want to hand it to us.
	And I would say, you know, for all of you who are going to be tricked into believing the Electronic Frontier Foundation is good for you, today is an icon changer day.
	John, if you know about this, where they've given you some code, you can put it on your Facebook, and you'll be like, we want Independence Day!
	We want to stop spying on us!
	EFF rocks!
	Woo!
	Oh, brother.
	You might want to consider supporting someone who's actually uncovering stuff and not working for them.
	Whoever them may be.
	Yeah, them.
	Them.
	Yeah, well, essentially, if you're doing anything but helping us, you're contributing to one side or another of this internecine kind of thing where these people are battling with each other.
	Who knows what they're up to?
	We can only get so far in our analysis without actually, you know, just by looking at what's available to us.
	But just something up.
	Right.
	I think we're getting further than most with our analysis.
	Oh no, we're way out there.
	Nobody's even trying.
	They don't talk about the Russians' involvement in this Egypt deal.
	They don't talk about Snowden as a, you know, who knows what the hell he is.
	And all the stuff that we've looked into about him.
	It's just, you know, but it's, I think...
	People appreciate this.
	It's a conversation they're probably having.
	If they're having a conversation, most people, I was out with a couple of guys having a beer the other day, and they don't even have this conversation.
	And you bring it up, some of the stuff we've dug up, oh, I don't know, what?
	It doesn't make any sense.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Set the stage.
	You were out with a couple...
	It's not that interesting.
	I'd set the stage if I had an interesting thing to say.
	I just want to know, who are these dudes you're hanging out with?
	It was Mark Hall from the Times and Greg Zachary.
	These are not dudes.
	The guy who's in Africa all the time who took our night in Ghana and turned him against the show.
	And you were having a beer with him?
	It just bugs me to no end.
	And there's also some...
	And Markov is doing a book.
	Like I said, he took time off.
	And he's hired both these.
	Him and a Swedish journalist that was there.
	He was a really nice guy.
	And he's hired the two of them to help him on the book.
	How come you didn't get hired to work on the book?
	What am I going to do?
	I don't know.
	What's the book about?
	I just ridicule these books.
	I've got enough work to do.
	What's the book about?
	It's about, it's something about robots.
	You know what you should have said?
	You said, oh yeah?
	Well, Adam and I are working on a robot book too.
	Yeah, he'd believe that.
	Well, all right.
	Please support us so John doesn't have to go hang out with dudes who are writing books about robots.
	That's really bad, because I know you were trying to get a gig.
	That's why you were there.
	No, the one guy's taken off for Europe for something, and we had to say goodbye to him or something.
	I don't know why I was...
	I could have skipped...
	I didn't get anything out of it.
	I just got a bunch of grief.
	You could have stayed home.
	Ah, you and your conspiracies.
	It's the easiest way to get out of talking about anything.
	I know.
	It's bad.
	It's people who you've known for years.
	And these are intelligent guys.
	For them to actually say, you and your conspiracy theories.
	I mean, do they even hear the bull crap coming out of their own pie holes when they say that?
	No.
	They're done.
	Yeah, well, they got the cool robot book writing gig.
	Yeah, well.
	I didn't get any of that.
	Oh, well, there you go.
	Thank you all so very much for supporting the program.
	As you can tell, it's pretty much all we got going.
	And we like it.
	Yeah.
	Oh, there's that.
	Well, no, but we like it that way because ne'er a show goes by that at the end of the show I don't say, I can't believe I get to do this.
	And we don't sell seeds.
	No.
	Heck no!
	Dvorak.org slash NA. Oops.
	Wrong one.
	I meant to hit this one.
	Here we go.
	Celebrating, everybody!
	Rock Harvey says happy birthday to his new human resource, Elijah Anakin Glenn Harvey, born on June 26th.
	Hello, welcome to Gitmo Nation.
	Ron Swickens, celebrating as we put him on the birthday list.
	Dwayne Biblo congratulates himself.
	He is born on Independence Day, 4th of July.
	And Royce Kokami...
	It says happy birthday to good friend Mar who turns 40 years old today.
	Happy birthday from all your friends here at The Best Podcast in the Universe.
	It's your birthday, yeah!
	And no nightings or anything like that.
	I will say, if you're looking for a way to contribute to The Best Podcast in the Universe, Lots of people do new things, you know, like, so I got some coupons, or I'm emptying out my PayPal account.
	Or, if you would listen to us, we had a hot stock tip.
	We told you about Noodles, that it was going public.
	It opened at $18 a share, closed at $38.47.
	Despite the noodle boy.
	I think you actually said, this is a hot stock.
	This is going to be hot because it's depression food, it's noodles, it's going to be great.
	And the title of the article that I was reading about, was it Daily Beast here?
	How a pasta chain called Noodles& Co.
	punked Wall Street.
	It's the hottest IPO of the year, and we told you about it.
	You could have gotten in on that.
	You could have bought...
	I mean, did you buy anything?
	No.
	Did I buy anything?
	No.
	We can't sit around touting stocks and then buying them.
	No, but we do have people who buy stocks and bonds all the time.
	And if they had listened to us, they would have made a bundle that's doubling your money right there.
	Doubling your money in one day.
	That's right, and supporting the show.
	Probably going to continue to climb moderately.
	But yes, depression food.
	Anything that comes out that's going to be like a mac and cheese chain would kick butt.
	I'm sure it's in the works.
	So I got a couple of things.
	One of the things you say you might want to look into.
	So, you know, the Austin kid and the slammer.
	Yeah, I'm on the fence about this story.
	Okay, well, let's play the clips I have, which is Austin kid and the slammer zero.
	Okay.
	His mother says her son is on suicide watch and is in solitary confinement after having been assaulted in jail.
	It's very hopeless and very depressed and very scared.
	It's very hard to hear your child Hopeless.
	Alina Machado, CNN, Atlanta.
	Alina, thank you so much.
	I want to bring in Justin Carter's father, Jack Carter.
	He's joining us from Austin this morning.
	Jack, thank you so much for coming in.
	This is clearly difficult for you and your family, especially your son.
	First off, how is your son doing?
	Do we need to set this up?
	I thought there would be a little setup in there, but we can set it up.
	This kid was on Facebook or something, and he just said he was going to blow up a school.
	He was playing a video game, and then someone said he was crazy, and he said, yeah, and then he put on his Facebook, he posted, yeah, I'm crazy, I'm going to go shoot up a school and kill a whole bunch of kids.
	LOL, just kidding.
	Right.
	Well, that is the story.
	That's the story.
	I have not seen any of this myself.
	Right.
	The story is weird.
	And also the LOLJK thing, which was like, it was beside the point.
	You know, he was just joking.
	It doesn't make any difference.
	This is a pre-crime nonsense.
	Right.
	So if this is the case, well, we don't know.
	But meanwhile, so they're going after this kid.
	And this woman that you just heard at the end, it was on CNN. She's a robot.
	And she is robotically, in clip number two, She's robotically asking questions.
	It sounds very scripted.
	Everything sounds very scripted, including the dad.
	Absolutely.
	And at one point, he says something like, yeah, he's just an innocent kid.
	And then she, just under her breath, says, yeah, just, yeah.
	She says, yeah, very salty.
	See if you can even hear it.
	Absolutely.
	I definitely see the need to investigate such claims, you know, absolutely.
	But at some point during the investigation, there has to be some common sense.
	So what do you want people to know about your son?
	More importantly, what do you want a judge to know about your son?
	He's a good kid.
	He didn't mean it.
	It was a joke.
	And he would never hurt anybody.
	He's got younger siblings, and he's good with children.
	He would never hurt anybody.
	Yeah.
	Well, we'll be following this very closely.
	Good luck to you and your family, and good luck to your son.
	Yeah.
	So I'm trying to decide whether she said, yeah, as in, yeah, right.
	Yeah, that's what it sounded like.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, right.
	Now...
	That's creepy.
	Anyway, the story is weird.
	You're right.
	Well, the thing about the story is this apparently happened in October?
	Well, he's been in jail for five months, so...
	Yeah.
	Okay, it's February.
	February.
	And it makes no sense to me.
	Jail, I mean, so he's being held on terrorism charges.
	None of this makes sense.
	I don't have any documents.
	I can't find court documents.
	He was supposed to have had a court date on July 2nd.
	This has not been my main focus of research, so when I say I can't, that means I looked around, I poked around, I couldn't find it.
	This is one of the most emailed articles of the week.
	That's crazy!
	They're putting kids in jail!
	I think it's like a salvo, personally.
	I don't even know if this kid's in jail.
	I don't know anything about him.
	It looks to me as a shut-up slave moment, as it makes some kid who may not even, I mean, who knows?
	I mean, you can't find anything out about it.
	Make an example out of him to keep everybody, just get people to shut up.
	And in fact, that's why I think this clip, which is a total shut-up, Moment, which is the chalk stories.
	There's a couple of them out there.
	And they're only played up on Democracy Now!
	Because that audience is the kind of audience that needs to know this chalk story.
	Can I play it?
	Yeah, play it.
	A protester in California has been acquitted of all charges after being tried for writing protest slogans on a sidewalk.
	Jeff Olson faced up to 13 years in prison and $13,000 in fines on misdemeanor vandalism charges after using washable chalk outside three Bank of America branches in San Diego.
	Olson's messages included no thanks, big banks, and shame on Bank of America.
	He's accused a Bank of America executive, Daryl Freeman, of pressuring local prosecutors to go through with the case.
	After the verdict, Olson urged supporters to protest big banks by moving their money to local credit unions.
	There's one way for them to send a message that will be heard, and that's to close your account at a big Wall Street bank and move your money to a local non-profit community credit union.
	If you're mad about this, you think this wasn't fair what happened to me, close your Wall Street bank account.
	Olson's acquittal comes days after a similar arrest in Pennsylvania.
	Healthcare activist A.J. Morin was detained for using chalk to write a sidewalk slogan against Republican Governor Tom Corbett's decision to reject federal funds for expanding Medicare.
	Morin wrote, quote, Governor Corbett has health insurance.
	We should, too.
	He's been charged with disorderly conduct.
	Okay, I was just going to say, I was about to get really angry, but then finally she told me what the charge was, disorderly conduct.
	And it is a total shut-up, slave.
	And may I point out that while this chalk-writing guy gets sentenced for writing chalk...
	You probably didn't see on the news that HSBC, the bank that laundered billions of dollars, billions of drug money dollars from Mexico into the United States, probably in cahoots with the government, no coincidence that James Comey, our nominated FBI director, is on the board of HSBC. No one goes to jail.
	No one.
	They get a $1.92 billion fine, and it's all good.
	Done.
	This is the insanity that we're living in.
	Yeah, yeah, get some kid who's writing chalk slogans.
	Chalk.
	With chalk on a sidewalk, which is public thoroughfare.
	It seems to be free speech if you ask me, but no, they arrest him and they're going to throw him in jail for 13 years.
	You can't throw him in jail for 13 years.
	That's ridiculous.
	But it's just a shut up slave moment.
	They weren't going to find him.
	No, they weren't going to throw him in jail, but they threatened it.
	And it could happen to you and all this sort of thing.
	And meanwhile, these HBC guys who are criminals.
	Yeah, true criminals.
	They get a slap on their wrist.
	Okay, here's a billion.
	A billion is there.
	Is the government cut, by the way?
	Not just...
	Yes, they're cut.
	It's their vig.
	And it's not just that.
	And oh, and by the way, we'll make your guy head of the FBI. Yes.
	Yeah, that makes it even better.
	How good is that?
	It's amazing that this stuff goes on.
	It's just in front of everybody.
	Just throw it in your face.
	Throw it in your face.
	That was PBS. NPR had a fantastic shut-up slave moment, which I'd like to share with you.
	This is talk of the nation.
	And talk of the nation, the whole idea is you call in and people talk about what is the talk of the nation.
	This was...
	Who's the guy that runs Talk of the Nation?
	What's the guy's name?
	Who's on that show?
	Talk of the Nation?
	Oh, the thing on the NPR. Yeah, it's on the National Treasure.
	Well, here's the clip.
	This is the most incredible, literally shut-up slave clip I have ever heard.
	Your voices ring in our ears.
	So tell us one more time.
	What's the Talk of the Nation?
	800-989-8255.
	Email us, talk at NPR.org.
	You can also find us on Twitter.
	That's at TOTN. And let's go...
	When are they going to start saying org instead of dot-O-R-G? What memo do they have about this?
	People too stupid to know what dot-org means?
	John Hockenberry?
	No.
	Way Suarez?
	Ira Flatow?
	I think this is Ira.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Maybe Ira's a chick.
	I don't know.
	Here it comes.
	Go to Bob.
	Bob Withers from Gainesville.
	Thank you, Neil.
	I find that the Edward Snowden case has certainly been the talk of the nation.
	But the underlying issues behind this are very much interesting to me and many others.
	The idea as to whether or not what the government is doing in encroaching on our civil liberties and reading into our phone lines and whatnot, Whether or not that is done in the name of security is a very interesting discussion.
	I feel that we should not trade our liberties for security.
	And, of course, the president for this was 9-11.
	Many might fear that we might have another 9-11 attack.
	And 9-11 being the false flag attack that it was with Building 7 being a building 47 stories tall that fell in free-fall speed in a matter of seconds, was not hit by any other airplane.
	Ah, I see we have a truther with us.
	Yes, well, I think that's a very derogatory term, and perhaps on your last show...
	It's derogatory because you're talking scientific nonsense.
	I'm sorry to upbraid you.
	I am sorry to upbraid you.
	Please, I try to listen with respect to callers, except when they have their facts flat wrong.
	You think Building 7 is not a very telling incident, sir?
	I think it fell for different reasons, and the scientific community agrees with me.
	Well, more to the point, I agree with them.
	What do I know about Building 7?
	Well, actually, the architects and engineers all are in a consensus.
	No, they are not, Bob, and I'm sorry.
	Yes, they're called architects and engineers.
	Bob, I'm hanging up on you because this is nonsense.
	Thank you.
	Let's move right along.
	Wow.
	That's doing your job.
	I love the word abrade.
	At first I was like, I'm sorry to upgrade you.
	I'm like, you're not upgrading him.
	You're throwing him down to economy class.
	Abrade.
	Have you ever used this word?
	No, I've never used that word.
	Do you know what it means?
	I know what it means.
	Okay.
	Scold.
	Well, I got...
	The definition I found was scrape or wear away by friction or erosion.
	I think it means scold.
	Maybe I spelled it wrong?
	It's A-B-R-A-D-E? A braid?
	No, I think it's A-I-D. Try that.
	Oh, okay.
	That sounds like...
	Why would you say...
	I'm sorry to scrape you.
	Ah, a braid.
	Okay, to...
	No, to awake, to arouse, to stir...
	This is...
	Oh, okay.
	This is like...
	I'm sorry.
	That's the NPR version of hitting you in the mouth.
	I guess.
	I'm sorry to awaken you.
	So, you know, when did you get this?
	Because this...
	Apparently the show was just discontinued.
	I don't know.
	Someone sent it to me.
	On Thursday, June 27th, that was the last day of this show.
	They killed the show.
	Too many truthers calling in.
	We can't have that.
	I don't know.
	I don't know when the show was from.
	This is like the truthers they called in when we heard it on.
	At least on C-SPAN, when one of them, one guy just hung up on the truth.
	But the woman actually asked if this was a conspiracy.
	Thinking a little outside the box and saying that somebody would tell you to call us.
	We've been telling people to call these shows forever.
	For a long time.
	They never do it.
	One guy did recently.
	One guy made a call to a local NPR, but that was it.
	Let me do one more shut-up slave moment because this is taking place as we speak in Los Angeles, California.
	It started yesterday and continuing today.
	Here's local news coverage.
	A show of force from local public transit officers.
	Pay attention to the words in this.
	A show of force.
	Okay?
	This is a show of force, slaves.
	Part training drill, part message to would-be troublemakers.
	Hey, hey, hey!
	I love this clip.
	CBS News' Carl Finston this morning is live at Union Station in downtown LA with the details.
	Carl?
	Well, many people here who've seen that show up for us, as well as some of the more unusual resources like these behind us here, have come up to us asking us what's going on, and officials say that's part of their goal, to get everyone thinking about the Southlands security.
	And what you're seeing, you're seeing video of...
	She sounds like a stereotype.
	What are we seeing?
	Oh, you're seeing army guys.
	I mean, they're not.
	Marching around?
	They're police, but there's combat fatigues, helmets, M4s, night vision goggles.
	Was this done at night?
	No, this is during the day.
	And they're at the metro station.
	Let me tell you something.
	The LA metro, 99% of people in Los Angeles don't even know they have a subway system.
	I didn't know it until I was visiting recently.
	Right.
	And it is a very good subway system, actually.
	And so these guys are there.
	They're checking bags.
	They're frightening people.
	So they're standing around in combat fatigues with flak jackets and backpacks and antennas and literally the night vision goggles on top of the head and cameras off the side and just complete militaristic gear.
	Explosive sniffing dogs at a huge visible and undercover force have converged on Union Station.
	But this is not a huge visible and undercover force.
	It's not an emergency response.
	It's an anti-terrorism drill.
	We've seen some complacency amongst even law enforcement and our community.
	Complacency!
	General regarding potential terrorist activity from abroad or even your home from domestic terrorists.
	Sheriff Division Chief Ted Sexton says authorities started planning for this drill in LA's mass transit system right after the Boston Marathon bombings, in part to exercise the security lessons learned.
	But the high visibility drill, dubbed Operation Independence, will continue through July 4th, a major holiday.
	Yesterday, federal authorities released a bulletin saying the country is on heightened alert.
	Anytime you have a holiday, it's something that you want to look at.
	The Boston bombing took place on Patriots Day.
	The Times Square incident took place on May Day.
	I completely missed that one.
	So she sets it up by saying, July 4th, it's a major holiday!
	Like, I'm sorry?
	Really?
	I was unaware this was a major holiday.
	And then he's coming back and saying, Times Square happened on May Day?
	May Day's not a major holiday!
	It's not a major holiday at all.
	Crazy.
	Significant dates are always a concern to us.
	Chief Saxton says there are no credible threats to the L.A. area right now, and the drill's main purpose is for different agencies to work together, exercising resources.
	If lights are going out in this tunnel, we can almost see you like it's daytime.
	Officials also hope to remind the public of their anti-terrorism role.
	If you see something that looks out of the ordinary, a behavior that looks out of the ordinary, please call your local law enforcement agency and report it.
	We all should do our part, be a little bit more vigilant.
	And as already said, the other reason they chose the holiday for this drill is because there's fewer people traveling and using the metro system, so they say there will be less disruption.
	I just find this so abhorrent.
	Every single meme is in this package, right down to the guy going, I think it's good, you know?
	And the police chief saying, we've become complacent, we're not reporting, we're not ratting on each other, there's not enough reports coming in, or whatever it is.
	This is so disgusting.
	Nazis.
	This is Nazism.
	Well, fascism.
	Yeah, I call it Nazism, whatever.
	Tomato, tomato.
	Advertising.
	So, I just said the word so.
	You've been saying it all during the whole show.
	Well, at least I caught myself here at the end.
	But you don't just say so, you say so-uh.
	So-uh.
	So-uh.
	Yeah, no, it's just a time field.
	It's just a bad broadcasting habit.
	It's just to make noise.
	There's no difference than doing that.
	I'm berating myself so you don't have to.
	There's no difference between me doing that, and people do it all commonly, especially over the air.
	There's no difference between that and being a Hummer.
	Because Hummers are just trying to make noise.
	Well, I think...
	Don't be so harsh on yourself, John.
	It's not that bad.
	It's not horrible.
	I'm so...
	Could be.
	I could go down that road.
	If you don't start ringing the bell on me, I can't continue this way.
	You're too bold.
	I can't live this way.
	Here we go.
	Drunk again.
	Drink and sigh and die.
	Drunk again.
	That's right.
	It's time for Diane Sawyer.
	Drunk or not drunk.
	And this just in tonight, and it's on health care.
	A surprising delay to announce tonight, and one of the most controversial parts...
	Of the president's new health care reform.
	That employer mandate, which requires companies with 50 or more workers to provide health insurance or face funds.
	She's laughing.
	She's so hemorrhaging.
	And starting next year, well, tonight, a timeout.
	I think we can conclude she's drunk again.
	But she's so damn cute when she's drunk.
	You know, she's like 80.
	You know that?
	She's really old.
	It's amazing.
	She looks as good as she does.
	She is.
	She's had work done.
	By the way, I'm going to, I think we need to change this, the vernacular, the vocabulary.
	It's not, she's tipsy.
	I think Diane doesn't really get drunk.
	I think she gets tipsy.
	Okay, I like it.
	Tipsy.
	I think she is more tipsy than drunk.
	Yeah.
	It's so cute, though, because she's so pretty.
	And she talks like she's...
	What?
	I like to see where she's just...
	One of these days, I think we've had some clips in the press where she is just hammered.
	What's up with the health care?
	Health care?
	Oh!
	Gosh, I've got to tell you, I've been so annoyed by this Wendy Davis thing.
	This is bugging you to no end.
	You heard my rant, of course.
	I think I figured it out, and I was like, oh my God, I can't believe I was so dense not to see this.
	And actually, it hit me when, let me see, there was another...
	There was another report.
	This is North Carolina.
	It came to be weird, but more breaking news tonight.
	This time out of North Carolina.
	This evening in North Carolina, the Republican majority in the legislature there made a surprise move against abortion rights in that state.
	This came out of nowhere.
	So at the last minute, North Carolina Republicans jammed a brand new, previously unseen set of anti-abortion measures into an existing bill about Sharia law, of all things.
	The surprise amendments tonight include requirements that are designed to shut down as many clinics as possible in North Carolina.
	Some advocates saying they would shut down all but one clinic in North Carolina.
	They would force clinics to meet new standards that are supposed to be impossible for them to meet, just like the restrictions Republicans have already passed in Ohio and Mississippi and North Dakota and Wisconsin, the ones they're trying to pass in Texas right now.
	OK.
	This is when the bells went off in my head, and I went and looked at this, and of course the Sharia law thing is a red herring, and it's like, pfft, you know, don't even pay attention to that.
	And it is the exact same wording as Senate Bill 5 that was the big, huge controversy here in Texas.
	And it's about being within 30 minutes of a hospital.
	The doctor at the clinic has to have walk-in rights.
	You have to have two meetings before the abortion.
	And I have gone so deep into this rabbit hole, I even know the insurance codes for RU486. I mean, I've been all through this.
	And this...
	I just went, oh, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
	Okay, here's what's happening.
	And remember now that these protests that took place here in Austin, the capital of the drone star state, there were people with, they had coordinated t-shirts, they had coordinated signs.
	Those are never the ones you really see highlighted.
	You see someone with the handwritten sign.
	But if you really look, you see, oh, wait a minute, these are professionally made signs.
	That is always a clue that this is coming from somewhere.
	And The meme is that these are crazy religious Republican a-holes who are all about God and religion, and that's why they don't want anyone to kill babies.
	And I can tell you one thing about a lot of these crazy Republican religious a-holes.
	There's one thing they love more than God, and that's money.
	And this is when it hit me.
	Now, the reason what is going on here is because of the Hyde Amendment.
	Are you familiar with this, John, the Hyde Amendment?
	Yeah, a little bit.
	Okay.
	I'll just summarize, because people need to know.
	The Hyde Amendment came after the landmark Supreme Court ruling Roe v.
	versus Wade, in which abortion was deemed legal by our American standards.
	Now, the Hyde Amendment was put into place in 1977 and has been renewed by Congress every single year.
	It's usually tacked onto some bill.
	It's not a law.
	It's an amendment that keeps coming back like just bad Mexican food.
	And the Hyde Amendment says that no federal funds may be used to pay for an abortion.
	And this is kind of the way that Roe v.
	Wade has kind of been accepted by all parties.
	It's like, okay, well, you're allowed to do it, but the federal government is not going to pay for it.
	So when you heard all this stuff a couple of years ago, but, oh, crazy Republicans, they won't put it in the health care bill.
	Specifically signed an executive order that said as a part of what is now known as the ACA, the Affordable Care Act, which has nothing to do with affordable care but about insurance companies.
	That specifically said, no federal funds, to reiterate the Hyde Amendment, stays intact.
	And this has kind of replaced the Hyde Amendment.
	No federal funds may be used for abortions.
	However, states may put their own money into their local Medicare, Medicaid programs or whatever program they want.
	But if that is put into an insurance package, they actually have to segregate the money.
	It's kind of like we're going to the supermarket and Mickey brings $10 and I bring $10 and we're only going to use her $10 to buy the milk because we've agreed I won't pay for milk.
	I mean, it's total bullcrap is what it is.
	And so I've been following this very closely.
	We have the money that was going into Planned Parenthood in Texas.
	They have new rules about affiliation with an abortion clinic.
	You can't advise and be affiliated with a clinic that aborts.
	The money is going to crisis pregnancy centers, and there's all kinds of organizations.
	What I'm going to tell you right now, put this in the book, because I'm seeing this exact same wording everywhere and in this Senate Bill 5 it actually repeals one of the important parts of Texas legislature which states that it used to be that the requirements for an abortion clinic could not be higher than those placed upon Medicaid clinics.
	That has now been repealed and been replaced with this language which is now cropping up in every single state and it is exactly the same language.
	Three quarters of the Texas bill is about the requirement for the clinic.
	And whoever...
	I think it's problem, reaction, solution.
	Whoever is funding this, which I suspect insurance companies, something is going to change and there's going to be a bonanza in clinics that adhere exactly to what is...
	It is so well laid out, John.
	It's like a blueprint.
	You can go...
	If I had money, I'd start one of these clinics tomorrow because it's going to be a bonanza.
	It's going to get funded somehow, someway, and I think a part of this delaying of the implementation of the healthcare bill until 2015 has something to do with this.
	There's no other reason why every single state comes up with the same requirements for a clinic.
	Well, it would make sense because what you would end up with is similar to what the pharmaceutical companies have done, is you create a market for your product, which is, in this case, abortions, and then you look over the code, the Affordable Care Act in this case or whatever, is going to come down the road or something they expect.
	They might know about some legislation, something where you can get these abortions actually funded by the government, and so thus you jack up the price.
	So now it's $5,000.
	Well, here's the beauty.
	You crank them out and you make crap loads of money.
	Well, here's the beauty of it.
	The actual amount of second-term or what they would call late-term abortions, I mean, it's so disgusting I have to research this, but I do it because it's important to wade through the bowl crap.
	It's very, very low.
	The percentage is much smaller than you'd expect, at least the ones that are researched in Texas.
	Most of the abortions are done through RU-486.
	Essentially, it's medication.
	You go in, and this is what's great about it.
	You can have clinics.
	We have to have two appointments.
	It has to be in a certain proximity.
	More money, more money.
	Right.
	But they won't actually be doing a lot of surgical procedures there.
	You're just going to go in, and you're going to take a pill, and you come back and get two more sessions or whatever it is, and your baby aborts.
	That's what's going to happen.
	And you're right.
	It's now $500.
	It's going to go to $5,000.
	It's so obvious what is going on here.
	It's because you're not paying for it.
	So nobody's going to complain.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And it's going to happen.
	And so the weird, twisted bit about all this, and I'm thinking maybe these protesters are...
	The way I would do it if I were running the show would be, okay, look, here's what we're going to do.
	We understand you're all pissed.
	We're going to have this bill go through, but we're going to have a little compromise.
	So we have all these stringent restrictions on what a clinic can do.
	We don't want to shut everything down.
	We're going to take a part of the Texas Women's Health Care Program, and we're going to fund this specific type of clinic.
	And done!
	It's going to be a bonanza.
	And I think you're going to see it very soon, and North Carolina is going to be in, and all these other states have to have the exact...
	I mean, you can't tell me that they're all thinking, oh, let's do exactly the same requirements.
	Let's all have the same requirements for these types of clinics.
	It's what you're saying to summarize.
	What you're saying, it seems highly unlikely that all these places where this activity is taking place would use the exact same language and the exact same type of bill for some obvious reason which is not being explored.
	And why all of a sudden did North Carolina have to jam it in?
	Period.
	And North Carolina had to jam it in all of a sudden.
	Why?
	Because something's happening.
	Yeah, something's up.
	Something's up.
	Anyway, so I just wanted to, because I got a lot of people, I got a lot of response to that rant, which I'm very appreciative of, mostly positive, some negative, but I also did want to say that, you know, outside of the crazy slaves that got riled up to go yell and scream and shout and talk about, get the government out of my vagina and all this stuff, whatever, it's fine, but please, you know, also know there's something else going on here, and it's not just a bunch of crazy religious Republicans.
	Yeah.
	That also, I dislike that because that breeds so much hate for people who have a different opinion.
	And it's okay to have a different opinion.
	Nah, no.
	I was talking to someone about this the other day, which will go unmentioned.
	And the woman said, you can't just steamroll over the minority.
	I was like, that's a very interesting way of looking at things.
	Well, that's why we have a federalist-style government.
	No, but the point being, so this bill passes because the majority of the Texas Senate voted for the bill.
	Yeah.
	But then it's like, yeah, but you can't just roll over the minority who lost the vote.
	Well, yeah, that's why you have a vote.
	I don't understand the problem.
	We can't have losers.
	Your idea wins, the other one loses.
	I don't understand.
	How does that work?
	Isn't that how a democracy functions?
	Yeah, it's like the marijuana thing.
	We lost legalizing marijuana in the state of California, so you can't just roll over the minority so we should be able to smoke marijuana?
	I mean, I don't get the logic.
	It's just a craziness if people say something.
	It's a little discouraging.
	Like, no, this is not how it works.
	Like, you have a vote, and then the vote's done.
	If you don't like it, then elect some other people and go vote again.
	Very strange.
	Very, very strange.
	All of this is very strange.
	All right.
	Well, I think I'm done.
	Okay.
	I just wanted to welcome Croatia to the United States of Europe and to the Trans Adriatic Pipeline Project.
	Good work.
	Yeah.
	Well, at least they're sending us money.
	Alright, we've got tons of stuff we'll be doing on Sunday, and we will be back with another show just for you.
	We wish everybody a very happy 4th of July.
	I'll be celebrating alone here until Miss Mickey comes home around...
	I think she lands at 8.30.
	Oh, right during the fireworks.
	Yeah, we're probably not going to be able to make it home to get on the roof, but...
	Such is life of a podcaster at large.
	What did you think of my sound today?
	It sounds like you sound always...
	Why?
	What, you got new gear?
	Yeah, this is the Ultimate Podcast device.
	Are you using the device?
	Yeah.
	Oh, I wouldn't know the difference.
	Yeah, well, I've been regulating it and tweaking it throughout the whole show, and I think I've finally come up with kind of a good setting.
	It's a good sound.
	But I didn't want to...
	You don't want to tip it off.
	I didn't want to tell you ahead of time, so...
	Oh my God!
	So this box is about the size of a cigarette pack, and it replaces three 19-inch rack boxes.
	Yeah, welcome to the technology.
	That's right.
	Eventually nobody will have a job.
	What?
	Eventually nobody will have a job.
	Right.
	Okay.
	You put people out of work with this thing.
	You and the robots.
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	I'm Adam Curry.
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