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	What is an artisan?
	They're guys who make pots.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, June 27th, 2013.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 525.
	This is no agenda.
	A full-fledged member of the Flat Earth Society here in the Travis Heights hideout in Austin, Texas.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, the Mecca of something, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	I thought you were going to use your new moniker, man.
	Pretty good, huh?
	The mecca of something.
	Great.
	That's just great.
	You think that sucked?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, a little bit.
	Okay.
	So it's warm out there, you said earlier.
	Oh!
	Really?
	What is warm?
	Is it 80?
	Is that what's warm for you?
	Yeah, 80 is hot for us because of the nature of the barometric pressure and the humidity and the variables.
	And we don't have any cooling mechanisms.
	Yeah, you have no air conditioning, right?
	That's the main problem, yeah.
	But that's okay.
	It's winding up.
	This will be hot for a few days.
	And then, generally speaking, traditionally, on July the 4th, just before the fireworks, the fog rolls in.
	That's right, and then you can't see the fireworks.
	I know.
	We were in San Francisco for two July 4ths, and it's like there's one building that has a party on the rooftop.
	Remember that?
	Yeah.
	And you could just see pew, pew, a couple of rockets just coming above the fog layer.
	That's very funny.
	That doesn't matter because I presume the city is just one big party right now.
	Have you not gone down to the district?
	Have you not hung out with the boys?
	Everyone must be going insane.
	And I'm sure they're all crediting the fact that it's a conservative Supreme Court.
	It's funny because...
	I haven't noticed that anyone said anything.
	No, no, no.
	I saw some of my Obama bot friends.
	You know, their brain was getting scrambled.
	Like, I don't understand.
	How is it possible?
	What?
	How can the Republican guys do this?
	No, man.
	I mean...
	I spent so much time yesterday understanding what actually went down.
	And for those of you who are new to the program, and I'm sure a lot of listeners from other countries probably only got the news in the following manner.
	Highest court in America says gay marriage okay.
	I think that's probably the message.
	That's not exactly what they said, but...
	Yeah, but...
	Well, no, that's what the news is.
	I'm pretty sure that's what the news is.
	Yeah.
	And that's how it's being accepted.
	But this is not about marriage at all.
	I don't think people understand the significance of what happened here.
	I mean, what is your take on this, John?
	As a gay man yourself, what is your take on...
	It's a time to celebrate...
	Run around in a circle, waving your arms, yelling yay.
	Yay!
	Yay!
	There's a lot of things going on here with this.
	This is the Defense of Marriage Act.
	Well, that was doomed.
	That we knew was going to get chucked out.
	But they had the two things.
	One was in California.
	We had Proposition, which was the initiative that didn't allow gay marriage in California.
	It kept voting.
	This is going to come up again, because here's the way the thing went down to begin with.
	Some time back, I can't remember what the original proposition was, but it voted gay marriage out.
	You want gay marriage, go someplace else.
	And so everyone was, you know, the gays were all irked about this, but everyone was, nobody else was, didn't think much about it.
	So they went to court and they did some craziness and they got the thing thrown out.
	And referendums and initiatives in California are really important.
	We like the idea that we can just vote in a law.
	So there was a backlash against the backdoor removal of this initiative.
	And so they came up with Prop 8 and then they voted it in.
	And so then again there's no gay marriage.
	And I think the reason it got voted in the second time was because the certain liberal elements of the society were gloating.
	Yeah, I can't do nothing about it now.
	But the main one was Gavin Newsom.
	And so they voted it again.
	And so now it went to the Supreme Court.
	Now it got thrown out again because it got...
	This is never going to end.
	Let me back up for a second because what you need to understand, and this is what I found.
	The process to me as a government legislation analyst is really kind of fun.
	So when you look at what exactly is the DOMA, as it's called, and I bet you if you went on the street and asked people that 90% wouldn't even know what it stood for.
	Around here they would say it's a stuffed grape leaf.
	And it's tasty.
	DOMA, the Defense of Marriage Act, by itself, it fits on one page.
	It fits on half a page, actually.
	And what it did is it added a number of paragraphs, actually two specifically, To the U.S. law and kind of the rule book, at the very beginning of our United States Code, so that's all of the law, it has a number of definitions.
	We talked about one on the previous show, which is the definition of what a person is, U.S. persons.
	And so that's in there, and it says, you know, a person is a company, a corporation, so all the things that everyone always laughs about, it actually says that there.
	And the Defense of Marriage Act, which was signed into law in 1996 by President Bill Clinton, has two additions to the definition.
	One is paragraph 2, which shows up as, I think, paragraph 7 in the actual U.S. Code.
	It says, Arising from such relationship.
	This has been left in place and was not ruled on by the Supreme Court.
	And the way I understand that kind of long text is no state has the right over any other state, which is kind of how it's supposed to work in our federalist system.
	Right.
	Section 3 is the one that the Supreme Court has deemed unconstitutional.
	And what that exactly means is what I'd like to talk about.
	But let me read specifically Section 3.
	And this happens a lot when judges...
	In fact, most lawsuits are about the meaning of the word.
	And this is why we love talking about words.
	We look up the definition of words all the time.
	So the definition of marriage, which you can find in many dictionaries, and many dictionaries have different definitions.
	In fact, interesting that the Supreme Court did not reference any dictionaries in this case.
	The definition of marriage, according to...
	and this was added as paragraph 7, an addendum, the last definition before you get to the U.S. Code.
	In determining the meaning of any act of Congress or of any ruling regulation or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word marriage means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word spouse refers only the word marriage means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word spouse refers Now...
	Now, here's what I find interesting.
	Everyone's jumping up and down, celebrating, saying, oh yes, the Supreme Court has deemed this unconstitutional.
	Well, so here is the key, to me, the key point.
	And of course, there's lots of other things that we need to talk about, specifically when it comes to what defines marriage.
	But the Supreme Court didn't write a new phrase.
	They didn't say, oh, you know, it can be one person of any gender.
	They just said, this is, or they voted and ruled, this is unconstitutional.
	And this is now, and this is what surprises me, been taken by everyone as, oh, perfect, done, party, I get to file joint taxes.
	And everyone's like loving the fact that now, you know, that they're being ruled over even more by the government.
	But, strangely enough, aren't we supposed to, isn't Congress in charge of doing this?
	Does the Supreme Court now decide who's in charge?
	Are they now, do they determine law?
	Well, they are the oversight of the laws, and yeah.
	They can do that.
	It's what they do.
	There's three parts of the government.
	There's the judicial, the executive, and the legislative, and any one of them can create laws.
	Right.
	But the Supreme Court doesn't do it out of the blue.
	Right.
	But don't they need to put...
	Because I've read both the dissent and the...
	What is it called?
	The opinion and the dissenting opinion.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, so as a bi-curious male, here's my question.
	Can I not now say that I am being discriminated against because I am torn, obviously, and it is LGBT, so I'm bisexual in the making.
	I'm still bi-curious, but when I become bisexual, do I then not have the right to be married to both a man and a woman?
	I think there's another U.S. code about bigamy, or not bigamy, yeah, bigamy, where you can't be married to two people at the same time.
	I think it's a different part of the law.
	And let me ask you a specific question.
	Why is that?
	Well, I've always been against it.
	But I'm asking you a question.
	Why is the government involved in marriage at all?
	Well, a lot of people say that the government should be involved in essentially...
	Licensing businesses, these relationships where you form a joint operation.
	We have companies.
	We have companies with multiple shareholders.
	Between two people.
	The churches are the only ones that really...
	Because it's kind of a religious thing to get married, per se.
	I'm not interested in that.
	I'm interested in why the government...
	Because the government has to make determination, because it's in their best interest, they have some clue and some rigid rules about how they dole out their compensation.
	When you've got somebody on a health care plan, does your wife get part of it?
	What if your wife's a guy and you're a guy?
	Does he get part of it?
	It's a mess.
	Stay with me.
	This is exactly what I want to understand.
	At what point did it become an incentive?
	And to be married, and why has the government been sponsoring this?
	I mean, it's not about children because we don't have rules about how many.
	It's not China.
	There's no rules about how many kids you can or can't have.
	The whole thing seems to be enslavement to me, the whole concept.
	Well, I think that's what it amounts to, but what it stems from is doling out benefits.
	Right.
	Because if you are a slave, you have to get...
	They've got to give you food.
	They've got to give you some bowl of forage.
	Right.
	And so that takes the form of health care in today's world because it's ridiculously expensive in the United States.
	Our greatest health care system is a complete scam.
	It's just a scam, let's face it.
	Right.
	And so they...
	The whole gay marriage thing, to me, has always been about benefits.
	So they get the same benefits.
	Yes, and here's the thing.
	I see my gay friends, they're extremely happy that now they can file jointly, and in some cases that's very beneficial.
	But I can just see, will this not open up?
	Is this going to go on forever now?
	Because why would you not have the right to have a polyamorous marriage?
	I think that would be the next step.
	And by the way, the Mormons are a lot of people who already kind of live that way.
	And this has to be the next step because this is about discrimination of benefits.
	And what difference does it make?
	Can I not have a great family with maybe Mickey wants two husbands?
	What is wrong about that?
	Let's just be really honest about the conversation.
	You can't say that that's not okay.
	You can't keep up, huh?
	I was going to extend the offer to you, but you just blew it now.
	It's all over.
	Yeah, good luck.
	But to me, this is very interesting.
	You're talking to the choir here.
	I've always thought, again, the problem is simple.
	It's like, now let's say you are a guy who you can maintain a relationship with five women.
	I mean, these Mormon guys have done it.
	Many of them, the women are happy because they don't have one guy hounding them all the time for sex.
	Yeah.
	There's one hottie in the group she takes care of.
	Let's just generalize for a moment here.
	Yeah, it's a fact.
	Yeah, fact.
	So any fact.
	So let's say the guy's got seven wives and he's doing a good job with them.
	He's managing this opera.
	It's like a corporation and he's got like 40 kids.
	Right.
	And now he goes to work for, you know, the TSA and they got to give benefits to like seven wives and 40 kids?
	Do you know what that would cost?
	The guys making $50,000 a year and be getting a million dollars worth of benefits?
	They're not going to put up with this.
	Right, right.
	Well, the whole thing, to me, and I watched, there were two sessions.
	One, well, there were multiple things.
	The president called some people from Air Force One.
	I mean, it was pretty, it's a very joyous occasion.
	Congratulations.
	But my bullshit detector went off so bad.
	And it...
	The Defense of Marriage Act, as I understand it, has never really been about gay marriage.
	It's always about who has the right to decide about gay marriage.
	Is it the states?
	Is it Congress?
	Or is it the Supreme Court?
	I believe that the states should have the full reign over that.
	Most of the analysis I've seen say that the states still do, and they did throw out the California deal, but that can be reversed with another law.
	But there's something like 34 states that prohibit gay marriage, and everyone says that that's still in play.
	You're still prohibited from gay marriage in these states.
	So I don't see that anything's really changed.
	The only reason for celebration in San Francisco is because, again, we've gone through this process where the specific law that was passed in California has been overturned.
	It's null and void.
	So everyone's going to go crazy getting married.
	This was done on the Simpsons episode.
	Where they passed a gay marriage and Homer started doing marriages and he was making money hand over fist.
	I'm thinking, geez, I mean this is the way with our low donations we can clean up here.
	Hey, we're both licensed, right?
	I'm licensed.
	Yeah, we're 100 bucks a pop.
	Universal Life Church, we can do all kinds of marriages.
	And of course you get all kinds of extreme examples.
	And yes, this has always been about...
	The whole thing stems from a lawsuit, which is kind of funny because there was a lawsuit and the woman's partner died and this woman, I forget her name, Edwina...
	She had to pay $350,000 in taxes, which she would not have had to pay if they had been legally married.
	That's really what this is about.
	Let's not overlook that.
	Right, and I think that was a reasonably good idea for a lawsuit.
	Yes.
	It's horrible that you get screwed like that.
	But what's interesting is that everyone agreed...
	The administration agreed.
	Everyone was like, yeah, that's no good, that's no good, that's no good.
	But they took it.
	In fact, that's even what the dissenting document says.
	Why is this case here?
	Everyone agrees.
	Why do we have to make a decision?
	And I think...
	Yeah, they were a little irked by this.
	Yeah, and I think...
	But people need to understand that, yeah, we're really happy about this, but what will it be next time that the Supreme Court just decides it's going to be the law?
	That's what I think we need to be a little bit careful about.
	I'm not buying this.
	What do you mean, you're not buying it?
	I'm not worried about anything.
	I mean, it's just the way it is.
	It's the way the system works.
	It has these elements.
	I think it's overplayed.
	I think everyone was a little too enthusiastic.
	But, you know, they're just looking for an excuse to party.
	That's really what it is.
	It's just an excuse to party.
	I don't know.
	By the way, so you said you got my clips and you said you got the same clip.
	I can look at my clip list and tell you which one or two it is.
	No, you get one guess and one guess only.
	Shot spotter.
	No.
	Oh, the spinning mummy.
	Yes.
	I was saving that for second half.
	We can't be doing that.
	We can't be doing that.
	I do want to say that I want to bring something up that apparently, and today's show, my theme is going to be questions the media is supposed to ask and none of them ask.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	And so I got the, there's a, play the clip, the Al Qaeda, this has cracked me up when I heard this.
	Apparently, because of Snowden, Al Qaeda is already changing the way it does business.
	Well, this is happening.
	I'm seeing one of the first reports from the Associated Press that goes into detail about how Al Qaeda, specifically the group, the Al Qaeda group in Yemen, is already changing the way that they're operating due to the information for the leaks.
	So there's a lot at play here, Ambassador.
	We're out of time for today.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you.
	Oh, that's nothing.
	That's nothing.
	Are you kidding me?
	Let's...
	I was gonna...
	Well, no, wait.
	No, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Let me bring out the waterhead for a second.
	Now, you know who I'm talking about.
	John Fitzgerald...
	John Fitzgerald Carey.
	Okay.
	What, man?
	What I see is an individual who threatened his country and put Americans at risk through the acts that he took.
	People may die as a consequence of what this man did.
	It is possible the United States will be attacked because terrorists may now know how to protect themselves in some way or another that they didn't know before.
	This is a very dangerous app.
	So, don't use pal talk is basically the message here.
	Yeah, that was my punchline.
	You stepped on it.
	I'm sorry.
	I didn't know you had a punchline for my clip.
	No, I had a punchline for my clip, which was the same as a punchline for your clip.
	I'm sorry.
	What did Al-Qaeda change?
	Because this is bull crap.
	I mean, we got one week after this thing breaks, and all of a sudden they're so on top of Al-Qaeda making all these changes, why don't they drone them if they know so much?
	And let me say, I have changed a behavior.
	I am, yes, I have disconnected certain computers from the network.
	You know, I already run my own mail server.
	And this, of course, is the definition of tyranny that the government of the United States is not just placing upon us, American citizens, but the entire world.
	And a lot of people are worried.
	The Germans, in fact, are very worried about this.
	They're the only ones actually saying anything about it.
	But I am no longer carrying around a cell phone.
	Of course, there are some cases where I will need to travel and have a phone, but I'm just using a Wi-Fi-enabled device here at home, and if I go out, I'll take a Wi-Fi thing, and if I need to connect, I can.
	If you want to call me, tough shit.
	You can't call me.
	You can't text me.
	I just refuse to be listened to.
	I refuse to be tracked, and it's not even if they're doing it in real time.
	I just refuse to have a log of me where I am.
	I'm just not going to stand for it.
	I have lots of things to hide.
	Lots of things to hide.
	Here's the Germans.
	This is a German minister, I think European Parliament member, who sounds pretty funny, but he's right.
	GCHQ is alleged to have tapped into fiber optic cables that carry international communications traffic.
	That's caused anger among some allies.
	Our concerns are that friends are spying on us.
	And we want to know, is there a legal basis and what...
	This guy from Central Casting?
	Are friends spying on us?
	Does you have?
	Check it out, though.
	This gets creeped.
	Are you spying on any Germans?
	Is there a judge involved?
	But despite all the controversies and criticisms, today the Chancellor announced more money for the intelligence services, including MI6 based here, and the Foreign Secretary in America gave a speech in which he defended their work.
	Let us be clear about it.
	In both our countries...
	I love the performative.
	Let us be clear about it.
	In some countries, secret intelligence is used to control their people.
	In ours, it only exists to protect their freedoms.
	You know, so I heard this, and I'm like, if we just...
	Isn't that billiard ball guy?
	Yeah, it's the billiard ball guy.
	If we just take away the little flub in the beginning, if we slow him down about 5%, if we give him a little bit of echo, and we put some maniacal music underneath him, he's perfect.
	Intelligence work takes place within a strong legal framework.
	We operate under the rule of law and are accountable for it.
	In some countries, secret intelligence is used to control their people.
	In ours, it only exists to protect their freedoms.
	Protect their freedoms.
	I think the guy's a winner.
	Well, that's Clip of the Day.
	Really?
	It was produced, though.
	I like it.
	You never produce anything.
	I'll take it.
	Thank you very much.
	Clip of the Day.
	Now you made me up the ante on this producing thing.
	I spent at least 45, but I swear to God, I heard the guy going like, protect their freedoms.
	I'm like, holy crap.
	And I slowed him down a little bit, put some echo on it.
	The music was good and the echo was ideal.
	The guy is a total George Orwell.
	Okay, so good you've got to play it again.
	Wow, okay, I get that again.
	Woo!
	Oh my goodness, here we go.
	Intelligence work takes place within a strong legal framework.
	We operate under the rule of law and are accountable for it.
	In some countries, secret intelligence is used to control their people.
	In ours, it only exists to protect their freedoms.
	Protect their freedoms.
	And I was looking for the whole...
	It wasn't on C-SPAN. I mean, he said this somewhere in America, and I couldn't find the clips.
	I only had this to work with, and I'm sure we can do more with him.
	That guy's such a creep.
	You think?
	He's super creepy.
	Super creepy.
	Yeah, that's a good one.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's all downhill from here, folks.
	I hope you enjoyed that.
	Wow, how fast we go from gay marriage to protect your freedoms.
	And that's what it's all about, ladies and gentlemen.
	Just to protect your freedoms.
	Have no fear.
	Yeah.
	This morning, Miss Mickey and I were talking.
	I said, I think the Unabomber was really right.
	I come back, I read his manifesto from time to time, and the fun one is the type, there's a PDF of the typed up, you know, his actual typing, because it gives a little more context to how twisted his brain was, but really, I mean, the guy was a genius, he was certified, was he at Harvard or Stanford?
	I think he was at Harvard.
	He was at Harvard.
	A friend of mine knew him and found it unbelievable that he'd become such a maniac because he said he was one of the smartest people he's ever met in his life.
	Yeah.
	And I guess he just, something flipped.
	Well, he saw the writing on the wall and, of course, you know, Unabomber, he was bombing, he was trying to stop people from buying into technology.
	And this morning I was like, have we really benefited from all of this information and all the things we now know?
	I make less money.
	I think the internet screwed us all.
	It's just the way it goes.
	But, you know, things happen.
	Things change.
	What do you mean screwed us all?
	I think it screwed us.
	I think our time is being sucked away with the Facebook addicts and all this kind of thing.
	And I don't notice that I'm better organized with all the computing power I have.
	In fact, it's a mess in this room.
	And it's just, I think we've been screwed.
	I think, and everything's cheapened.
	I mean, you can't, writers don't make as much money because everybody's a writer and they're all bloggers and some people are actually pretty talented at it.
	Artists are making less money.
	Everybody's making less money except CEOs and they're making way too much.
	And they're going to get screwed if there's anything, you know, if the public begins to riot and put their heads on a stick, which could happen.
	It's funny you say that.
	I had a thought.
	About the CEOs, and I was thinking this may start in Silicon Valley.
	If you look at, let's look at the Snowden affair.
	And by the way, what's with the Mr.
	Snowden business?
	Did a memo go out that everyone has to say, Mr.
	Snowden, Mr.
	Snowden, Mr.
	Snowden.
	Have you noticed this?
	Yeah, I've noticed.
	I don't know what the deal is with that.
	But maybe, maybe he was a hitman all along.
	Maybe this is the beginning of going after the corporates, the dissenters, the ones who need to be reined in.
	Like, hey, be careful, Google.
	We can have the slaves riot against you.
	There's all kinds of possibilities.
	Did you see the Ars Technica stuff that came out about Snowden?
	They magically have an IRC chat log from when he was from 2006, I think.
	Gee, I wonder where they got that.
	I don't think there's any mention in the article where that comes from.
	And he's freaking out about the CIA leaking stuff.
	And he's like, wow, I would shoot those guys in the balls, and there's all this really weird stuff.
	Of course, he was an NSA contractor, so it seems like he may have flipped.
	I mean, there's so many parameters to this.
	The one thing that is definitely happening is we've been distracted away from the true issue.
	So all we're talking about is, you know, is he in the Moscow airport hotel?
	Is he in China?
	Watch these idiots go on and on.
	In fact, I have a couple of clips just to prove your point.
	Yeah, please.
	That they're preoccupied with this bull crap.
	And here's the, let's see, we got a McCain clip.
	Let's start with that.
	Okay.
	Always fun to hear our douchebag.
	He'd been hiding out ever since, admitting to leaking information on our government's secret surveillance programs.
	Snowden is wanted in the United States on charges of espionage.
	Just yesterday, we mentioned this on the show, but just to remind you, Russian President Vladimir Putin confirmed for the first time that Snowden is in a Moscow airport.
	And he said he's still, Snowden is still.
	Can I ask a question?
	Now, did you see him say this?
	No.
	Did you see a piece of paper?
	Did you see a representative?
	Did you see anything other than just the talking?
	No, there's a piece of, there's a fact that McCain throws out that I've never heard either.
	You'll see, you'll hear it.
	It stands out like a sore thumb.
	It's all bullcrap.
	In this transit area and hasn't gone through immigration, so he's not in Russia.
	Putin rejecting calls to extradite Snowden into the United States, getting this reaction from Arizona Senator John McCain.
	Did you notice the report first was that he wasn't in Russia?
	That's the classic old Soviet Union doublespeak.
	No, technically, because he was in the lounge at the airport, he was not technically in Russia.
	This is the kind of Cold War, old Soviet-speak kind of behavior that has characterized Colonel Putin, Colonel in the KGB, for a long time.
	We just have refused to recognize it, and we keep pushing that reset button, and now maybe we'll wake up and have a realistic approach to our relations with Russia.
	What did you want us to do, bomb them?
	Well, so Mr.
	Oil is in the back channel here telling me that he saw Putin on television and Putin was basically making a big joke out of it.
	Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's in transit, he's not here.
	Yeah, well, I mean, these guys, I mean...
	Well, this is the problem.
	We have become the laughingstock.
	Well, play the Bolton clip if you want to hear the laughing stock.
	Oh, boy.
	And let's tell everyone who Bolton is again.
	Bolton was our ex-U.S. ambassador who was considered a douchebag when he was running one of the departments in Washington, D.C., in the government.
	But he gives a really great speech about the Tenth Amendment.
	He's on the right side of the argument.
	But funny thing is, in this situation, he's on the wrong side of the argument, and he's back to being a douchebag.
	Joining us now, Ambassador John Bolton, former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. and a Fox News contributor.
	And he just admitted to us during break he's been to the Moscow airport many a times, Ambassador.
	And we keep on saying Edward Snowden's in this, like, it's some sort of legitimate place.
	Like, oh, he's just in the grocery store.
	He's just on the street.
	I mean, what are we really talking about here?
	Well, the notion that because he hasn't gone through Russian customs, somehow he's in a different place than the country called Russia is utterly ridiculous.
	And what makes it so insulting is Putin is a lawyer.
	He knows it's ridiculous.
	Snowden came under Russian jurisdiction when his airplane crossed into Russian airspace.
	Russian security officials could have opened the cabin door and pulled him off the plane and arrested him.
	They should have kicked him out in the air before they landed.
	Yeah, or they could have shot him.
	Why doesn't Bolton just take it to the limit?
	They could have gone in there and shot him like I'd like to see.
	Can I just give you the quick translation of exactly what Putin said on television?
	Mr.
	Oil gave it to me.
	I prefer not to deal with this issue at all.
	It's like shearing a pig.
	Too much squealing, not enough wool.
	That mofo's deep, ain't he?
	Nobody has brought that up on the mainstream media.
	That is a great quote.
	That's a quote of the day.
	These people are idiots.
	Ben, the fact that Russia doesn't have an extradition treaty with the United States is utterly irrelevant.
	No, it's not!
	It's not irrelevant.
	Are you squealing like a pig with no wool?
	You woolless pig.
	They could deliver him back if they wanted to.
	They don't want to for several reasons.
	I think probably the most important, the most dangerous is they're trying to get everything they can off his computers, copying his documents and debriefing him on what he knows personally.
	So you say what Putin is saying is ridiculous.
	Do we validate it then with some sort of response or not?
	Well, I think if they don't turn him over, we should start responding.
	Honestly, we should have started responding to the Chinese when he left Hong Kong.
	They obviously didn't pay any attention to our diplomacy either.
	And to the extent there's any chance to influence Russia, it would help to start penalizing China.
	There are several things we could do.
	Withdraw our ambassador from Beijing.
	Withdraw our consul general from Hong Kong.
	Put all...
	This guy's unbelievable, but this is, I think, you're absolutely correct.
	It's a complete distraction.
	But the thing that's kind of interesting is, you know, is this commentary, running commentary, and everybody's talking about it, from Chip Gregory to everybody else.
	Oh, Chip.
	They're going to steal all the stuff that he knows, and it's going to be a huge disaster.
	Now, what was the number of people with top-secret clearance?
	You always have it on the top of your head.
	Well, there's five million Americans with clearance.
	One and a half million have top-secret clearance.
	One and a half million.
	Here's the question.
	I'm going to ask the question.
	The media has never asked.
	Please, please, ask the question.
	Ask away.
	I don't know why they don't bring this up, especially when they start talking about, oh, they're going to get his computers and he's going to get debriefs and he's going to tell them stuff.
	You're telling me that the Soviets, the Chinese, the French, the British are not one of those five million people that have this sort of clearance or the one million that have the top secret clearance already working in one of these agencies?
	With smarter skills than Snowden, downloading all this stuff.
	The British, the Russians, the Chinese, they don't need Snowden for anything.
	They have everything he's got.
	They've got the routers.
	And anybody who doesn't think that's correct, they're crazy.
	With a million...
	You know, they're throwing away these top-secret clearances left and right, and nobody thinks that these guys aren't there already getting this stuff.
	Everybody knows about this except the American public.
	It's unbelievable.
	Not one journalist has ever even asked that question.
	Oh, John, are you okay?
	Barely.
	Yeah.
	Well, this is, of course, the entire reason that this is being told right now.
	Anyone who knows anything about technology knows a couple things.
	They know all of these possibilities, but they also know the inherent weakness, and this is why I thought it was funny that this came out, of the sysadmins.
	I know a sysadmin who worked in the drone program, and when this sysadmin left to work for a private company, this sysadmin was physically sick, Of working for the drone program because it entailed retrieving pictures of people blown up by drones, by drone strikes.
	This person was asked to change the root password for the next sysadmin.
	This is how dumb this is.
	And now they're going after sysadmins, which is the stupidest thing.
	You want real trouble?
	Mess with those guys.
	We've always said sysadministrators run the world.
	And they keep most things honest.
	But no, now we're going to have to put all kinds of bullcrap there, so it's just going to be even more insecure.
	If there's only one person you can trust in an organization, that's the sysadmin.
	That's the only person you can trust.
	It's the only person who looks away when you type in your password.
	Everyone else is like, hmm, hmm, hmm.
	Everybody else is eyeballing it.
	At the stupid Apple store, I had to go to the genius bar.
	Oh, jeez.
	I went to the Genius Bar recently.
	Did you get a beer?
	It was not a good experience because they don't really fix it.
	And they're condescending.
	Oh yeah, totally.
	A little condescending.
	A little weird.
	Because you're not a genius.
	Not quite as condescending as the Ed show.
	I don't know if I can get two in a day.
	So this is your mainstream media and how they are programming your mind about allowing all of this stuff that the government is actually denying, but which goes way beyond anything they're admitting to.
	Which is why I'm not going to take cell phones with me anymore.
	Screw it.
	I'm just done with it.
	I'm sick and tired of it.
	I'm disconnecting stuff.
	Because I'm just...
	Screw you.
	I'm going to do everything I can to fight this stupidity.
	So here's the Ed Show.
	Truly, truly belongs with that clip of Haig as this is your big brother and how the telescreen tells you that it's all okay.
	I think this kid's a punk.
	I think he's a coward and I don't view him as a patriot at all.
	He's a coward because he won't come home and face the music.
	And if the United States of America is doing something so egregiously wrong in its surveillance program...
	How come he's the only one speaking up?
	You mean nobody else is willing to step up and say we're doing really bad stuff here?
	Look, the Constitution, yes.
	Abiding by it, very important.
	We've been down this road.
	But basically as I see this, this is a white bronco chase today is what this is.
	And we are now balancing the credibility of this guy and the President of the United States.
	Or this guy and our safety.
	I'm going to err on the side of the president.
	I'm going to err on the side of the safety of the country.
	I do not believe that we have done things so terribly wrong to keep the country safe that we need to prop this guy up who won't come home and face the music.
	Because I understand there's a lot of people in America that are willing to support him.
	He should be empowered by that.
	Not going to China, not going to Russia, and certainly not seeking asylum.
	This isn't about you, dude.
	This is about the security of the country.
	I like the, isn't it about you, dude, dude?
	The security of all of us.
	And based on what I saw in Washington, D.C. on September 11, 2001, I'll never forget that smoke coming out of the Pentagon as it just barreled across the city and people screaming and sirens and people scared and everything we've gone after that.
	I don't know.
	I just kind of don't want to go through that again.
	Oh God!
	So I don't trust this guy.
	I don't trust him.
	Have we made mistakes?
	Yes!
	Are we perfect?
	No!
	I don't like getting felt up in airports.
	Do you?
	But sometimes what we have to do is realize that maybe our laws don't keep up with technology.
	Maybe it's not a perfect world out there.
	But I do think the United States since September 11th has done a pretty good job of getting it right.
	I'll go with President Obama and his administration and the NSA over this guy.
	Until, of course, I get more evidence.
	Maybe some of his co-workers, maybe a whole department will come out and say, you know, Snowden's right.
	Don't count on it.
	Stick around.
	Oh, man.
	What's wrong with that guy?
	He's on MSNBC. This is continuous on MSNBC. It never stops.
	This whole Mandela thing.
	Now, you tell me.
	Here's a little Ask John, and we can come back to this crap because it's important, but this Mandela thing, I think the guy's been dead for a couple days, but they're waiting.
	The president finally, you know, the president had to do his climate change speech and everything, and so he finally, you know, is in Africa, so, you know, I guess he can attend the funeral, so it's like now they're going to...
	Everywhere around the world, people have stopped and said, oh, we miss Mandela.
	We're sorry he passed away.
	There's a whole controversy in Gitmo Nation lowlands where officials were saying, oh, he's dead.
	Oh, no, he's not dead.
	Oh, he's dead.
	Oh, no, he's not dead.
	I mean, the whole thing, they're keeping the guy alive until President Obama shows up, no doubt.
	And here's proof, because MSNBC came up with this gem, gem, I tell you, that they repeated several times.
	We have some developing news that we just have to share.
	Nelson Mandela's daughter, Zinzi Mandela, tells NBC that she was with Nelson Mandela, that she told him of President Obama's upcoming visit to South Africa.
	And in Zinzi's words, she told him, quote, Obama is coming.
	And he opened his eyes and gave me a smile.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Let's report on this again.
	Mandela's condition remains critical.
	His daughter telling NBC News that when she told him of President Obama's upcoming visit to South Africa, that he opened his eyes and he smiled.
	Oh, this seems like real news, John.
	Mandela's daughter, Zindy, spoke to NBC News this morning.
	After visiting her father, she said he opened his eyes and smiled.
	When she told him about President Obama.
	I turned on the...
	Can you say something?
	Because I screwed up my speaker.
	Yeah, hold on.
	Please help me, Adam and John.
	The bastards are trying to kill me!
	You okay?
	Can you hear me now?
	As much as I'm going to hate to find this, but I'm going to have to put some headphones on.
	Oh no!
	What happened?
	What happened?
	Oh, that's crap.
	Well, perhaps we should do a little bit of...
	Do you have headphones?
	Hello?
	hmm hello hello Alright.
	We'll just have to wait.
	Oh, hold on.
	You back?
	Yeah, with headphones.
	Oh, well, I mean, do you want to pause?
	I want you to be comfortable, honey.
	Oh, thank you, dear.
	Alright, I'll wait.
	You fix it.
	Here, we'll just wait.
	Okay, you all fixed now?
	Yeah, it's weird.
	What happened, honey?
	Will you quit calling me, honey?
	Okay, sweetie.
	Is it your sound device?
	You want me to explain it so people get a little clue about this?
	Yeah, why not?
	So I got these speakers that are USB speakers that are from Edify.
	And I've never really screwed around with the volume much, but there's a button.
	And you push the button, hold it down, your volume goes down.
	And I was under the impression you push it, and then it cycled back up and went down and up and down.
	No.
	No.
	Now I just figured it out.
	Apparently, so you were not loud enough, and I was fooling around on the console to get louder because I could barely hear you, so I decided to go and push this button, and it turns you down and then off.
	Ooh, that's not good.
	And so then I'm pushing the button, and nothing's happening.
	So then I realized that by fooling around, which is the only way to get anything to work in tech, is...
	Yes.
	Seriously, right?
	Am I wrong?
	You're correct, sir.
	Once people get their clue about that, then they're okay.
	So now what?
	Here's how it works.
	You push the button and hold it down and it turns the volume down to zero.
	To turn the volume back up, you have to click on the button.
	Push, push, push, push, push, push, push over and over.
	It's incremental steps.
	Yeah, and so you have to push, push, push, push, because I noticed when I pushed down, I heard a little bit of you, and then it went away, because I was holding it down.
	Right, right.
	So then I started rat-a-tatting it, bang, bang, bang, bang, and it came right up the way it should.
	Now I know how to use these things.
	Okay, good.
	Well, good.
	Did you get these mail order?
	Hey!
	Did you order them from a catalog?
	That's really good.
	Very nice.
	I think we should move on to Chip Gregory.
	I see you have two clips.
	I have Chip.
	He's like, Chip is the, in this regard, I think, we're listening to this thing going, he is another spokeshole for the government.
	Uh-huh.
	In fact, he is so, he's a horrible, horrible person.
	I didn't realize how much so.
	This is Chip Gregory who hosts Meet the Press, which is, I would say, is that not the premiere of Sunday's show?
	Is that not the one everyone wants to be?
	There's competitors.
	And remember, they killed the other guy.
	They killed the guy who was hosting it.
	Remember that?
	Right.
	They got rid of him.
	Generally speaking, he was the top one.
	Face the Nation was the competitor, and that's with Bob Schieffer, who's damn near as bad, only he's just kind of senile.
	Who's Chip Gregory married to again?
	He's married to some one of our favorite people.
	Yeah, what's his real name?
	David Gregory.
	Okay, David Gregory.
	Isn't he married to like some douche, doucheette?
	I think so.
	I think he, because he truly is a Washington insider.
	He's kind of the definition here.
	David Gregory, also known as Chip, born August 24th, 1970.
	He was on Imus in the Morning.
	Okay, Meet the Press.
	Where's his personal life?
	Um...
	Oh, yeah.
	Married to federal prosecutor, former Fannie Mae executive vice president, Beth Wilkinson.
	That's right.
	Right, okay.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	Yeah, she's screwing us from the back door.
	He's doing it into our face.
	Alright.
	Okay.
	So, Jesse, you have a very short clip of Chip.
	Yeah, well, I just thought this was a disgusting way he asked this question.
	The short clip is just him asking a simple question.
	And he was serious in that he was flabbergasted because he is an insider and probably works for one of the agencies from what I can tell.
	But just play the clip and I'll explain.
	Well, you can hear what it's about.
	What else does he intend to do?
	You have been in contact with him.
	Is there additional information he has prepared to leak to bolster his and your claim that he is actually a whistleblower and not a criminal responsible for espionage?
	Sure.
	I think the key definition of whistleblower is somebody who brings to light what political officials do in the dark that is either deceitful or illegal.
	Interesting.
	You didn't like the...
	No, no, no.
	That's not the clip I was looking for.
	Was that clip one or two?
	Clip one.
	Where's that short clip?
	Wait, hold on.
	That is the short clip.
	No, there's a shorter one.
	This is only 22 seconds.
	Well, there's one that's even shorter.
	What's the shortest thing I got on this list?
	Well, that I don't know.
	I don't have to...
	There it is.
	Here it is.
	Oh, no.
	I'm sorry.
	This is Schieffer that does the short one.
	I mixed the two up.
	Gregory wasn't as bad as this question.
	This is the worst.
	Bart, I want to just ask you to start off the threshold question.
	Why did the Washington Post think it should publish this story?
	No, no, no.
	Let me go back to Chip.
	Let me go back to Chip Gregory.
	I'm sure you saw this in the Greenwald interview.
	Oh, yeah.
	And this is his question with Greenwald's answer.
	To the extent that you have aided and abetted Snowden, even in his current...
	And aided and abetted is a technical term for treason.
	For treason.
	Well, aided and abetted, not just trees and any crime.
	You could do aided and abetted a bank robber.
	Right.
	Movements.
	Why shouldn't you, Mr.
	Greenwald, be charged with a crime?
	Mr.
	Greenwald.
	What is his Mr.
	Mr.
	stuff?
	I want to be Mr.
	Curry.
	I think it's pretty extraordinary that anybody who would call themselves a journalist would publicly muse about whether or not other journalists should be charged with felonies.
	The assumption in your question, David, is completely without evidence, the idea that I've aided and abetted him in any way.
	The scandal that arose in Washington before our stories began was about the fact that the Obama administration is trying to criminalize investigative journalism by going through the emails and phone records of AP reporters, accusing a Fox News journalist of the theory that you just embraced, being a co-conspirator in felonies for working accusing a Fox News journalist of the theory that you just embraced, If you want to embrace that theory, it means that every investigative journalist in the United States who works with their sources, who receives classified information, is a criminal.
	And it's precisely those theories and precisely that climate that has become so menacing in the United States.
	It's why the New Yorker's Jane Mayer said investigative reporting has come to a standstill, her word, as a result of the theories that you just referenced.
	Well, the question of who's a journalist may be up to a debate with regard to what you're doing.
	And, of course, anybody who's watching this understands I was asking a question.
	That question has been raised by lawmakers as well.
	I'm not embracing anything.
	But, obviously, I take your point.
	All right, so to me...
	Play the douchebag clip.
	Yeah, you're absolutely right.
	Douchebag!
	To me, this is spy versus spy.
	You got the white spy and the black spy, and clearly we've got opposite sides.
	And this is a message.
	This is a message to you, Rudy, to every single reporter out there, which is basically, fuck off, because we got your number.
	Yeah, and we got your phone calls.
	We got your phone records.
	We got it all for the last five years.
	We've got it.
	Because this show is not live.
	They didn't have to leave that in, that little tete-a-tete.
	So they put that in for the express reason of putting every single journalist on notice and for putting every whistleblower on notice.
	It's funny.
	I got a...
	You know there's the very first whistleblower that President Obama...
	Had arrested his trial is coming up and I just want to give you the name because I was talking to someone who knows his dad and Here we go.
	Is this it here?
	Here it is.
	No Nah, sorry.
	I can't find it that quickly.
	I'll find it.
	But it was the...
	Oh yeah, here it is.
	Newly elected...
	This is an article from 2009...
	Freshly elected, freshman election night victory.
	The president has charged another former government employee with violating the Espionage Act.
	And this guy's name is Hitzelberger.
	You ever hear of this guy?
	No.
	Okay, so he pleaded not guilty.
	And what happened is he left the service and he went home and he had some documents.
	And they said, oh, you took those documents because you were going to sell them to the Chinese.
	And they locked him up.
	Yeah, well, they locked up that NSA guy, the CIA guy, too.
	Yeah, lock him up.
	Lock him up.
	And they lock all these people up.
	I mean, of course, this is unbelievably fascistic.
	But doesn't it work both ways?
	You know where the government says, if you have nothing to hide, then, you know...
	Yeah, no, but they won't listen to that argument from their perspective.
	But if we say, well, if you have nothing to hide, why don't you show everything, then all of a sudden it's the smoke billowing out of the Pentagon.
	Which, by the way, aside from the people in there, would be a pretty good start.
	I mean, please.
	This is getting annoying.
	I'll tell you, this is, yeah, it's bad.
	But I think you're right.
	Gregory here, who should be fired for even asking the question the way he did, he literally should be fired.
	Because it's like, what kind of a journalist or host is he to ask a question like that and assume the guy he's talking to is a criminal?
	And then, oh, that's not what I meant.
	Bull crap.
	He made it worse by saying, that's not what I meant, but this is what all the lawmakers are saying.
	It's really disgusting.
	Now, here is something interesting.
	I went down a bit of a rabbit hole with the connection, of course, you know, I went back and I looked at John Young.
	Before you go down the rabbit hole, maybe we should thank some producers.
	This is a very good idea.
	Bola manana!
	In the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	Well, in the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	In the morning, all ships and sea boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there, and everyone in between.
	Yes, and in between those people are also our human resources in the chat room, NoAgendaStream.com, NoAgendaChat.net.
	NoAgendaShow.com was down last night for several hours.
	Squarespace went down.
	Oh, really?
	Which never happens.
	I've never seen that.
	I have not seen it either.
	And I don't know if there's...
	No, I wonder donations were off.
	But I couldn't log in, and yeah, yeah, I'm sure...
	Well, that's bound to happen to everybody once in a while.
	Yes, but you see how it hurts us immediately, you know?
	Gary Whitehead, though, with $333.33 from Brunei.
	All right.
	Oh, nice.
	Been a while since I donated because you never gave my swazzle enough karma.
	What?
	I don't know.
	Well, then let me hand it to you now.
	69!
	69, dude!
	69!
	You've got karma.
	There you go.
	Swazenov karma.
	Yeah, but unfortunately he's in Brunei.
	Anyway, he says the show is too outstanding, in all caps, for me to remain forever bitter.
	Do you mean that Swazenov is illegal in Brunei?
	Probably.
	Yeah, probably.
	Michael Slissinger.
	I think it's Schlisinger.
	It could be Sly Singer, but Schlisinger sounds like.
	255, it'd be an associate executive producer from Macomb, Michigan.
	Hey guys, answering the call and making an extra emergency donation in addition to my weekly subscription.
	I think this probably came in as a Sunday one, so I have to give him credit for his second producership on July 4th.
	I thought Thursday's episode 523 was particularly great, especially the Charlie Rose interview breakdown.
	Now that I'm a show producer, I would like to encourage you to start every show by immediately jumping into analysis of the recent news.
	What is it we do?
	Isn't that what we do?
	Yeah, that's kind of weird.
	I think this will help new listeners catch on to the show.
	Okay, I think that's kind of what we've been trying.
	We could be wrong.
	Well, sometimes we talk about your dinner parties.
	I think people like that more than they like the news.
	It's less depressing.
	Yeah.
	I'm not trying to depress people.
	I'm trying to entertain.
	Luke from Munich, Deutschland, 250-252.
	Please refer to me as Luke from Munich.
	I only want to ask for a birthday shout-out for my 30th on Thursday.
	P.S., on the 1st of June, I sent you 6969.
	I believe you missed it.
	It could have been...
	Well, we'll look into it, but we did that make good that all those 6969s that we missed, I think we caught you in that.
	Sometimes we get people saying, man, you know, you didn't read my donation, my birthday, and then we go back and say, well, here it is, and you can hear it on the recording.
	Yeah, there's a lot of that, actually.
	It does happen.
	It does happen.
	This is Sir Sharkey, Dr.
	Sharkey, our buddy in Jackson, Tennessee.
	He's been, yeah, he's a knight.
	Two, three, four, five, six, I think he's up to something else.
	Baronet, yeah.
	There are a growing number of physicians who do not participate in government healthcare programs, like Medicare, Medi-Kool-Aid, etc.
	Medi-Scare, he says.
	This is how doctors talk.
	Oh, Medicare, yeah.
	This is how doctors talk.
	This is interesting.
	This is interesting.
	Yeah, Medicare Kool-Aid.
	The majority of these keep your medical records in paper charts.
	By the way, my doctor told me that they had to go to electronic everything or they couldn't do any Medicare billing.
	Yeah, I know.
	The government has come to give them a one-year notice that every one of you doctors, you've got to put everything down in a computer or else.
	Mm-hmm.
	And so...
	It's obvious what they're up to here.
	They're trying to get everyone's medical records on top of everything else so they can blackmail us.
	Yeah.
	The majority of these independents keep medical records in paper charts, not electronic records.
	Thus, the NSA, CIA, and President Obama cannot snoop in real time unless they perform a breaking and entering after hours.
	The Pentagon, FBI, etc.
	have all been hacked.
	Does anyone really believe that an EHR electronic health record is safe from prying eyes?
	I would encourage all our pre-drunk, pre-diabetic, pre-donors and our fine producers to find a doctor that doesn't use a government-approved health care record, but instead uses paper charts.
	ITM Dr.
	Sharkey.
	Sir Dr.
	Sharkey sent me a number of links, and there's a huge scare campaign now going on.
	All of this, all of this cyber crap, it's all a big money play, and of course some of it's true, but there's article after article.
	I have, I think, five of them in the show notes, 525.nashownotes.com.
	Virus found in heart defibrillators.
	Oh, the medical devices can be attacked.
	They can be hacked.
	Oh, we had to clean all the computers because a virus got on.
	Oh, they could come in and control you and kill you.
	It goes on and on forever.
	It's big, big, big business, this.
	Big business.
	It's a bonanza, and we're not in it, of course.
	No, of course not.
	We're just getting by.
	He wants some karma for his wife's aunt suffering from terminal leukemia, and his uncle just had a stroke, lost vision in one eye.
	So a little karma would be used.
	Well, hold on a second.
	I mean, for the leukemia, I think that qualifies as an F cancer.
	Stop it!
	Stop it!
	We thought karma.
	Hey, man.
	Sir Dr.
	Shark, he's good, man.
	It's good to have these guys on the inside who tell you what's going on.
	And I agree.
	But now we have, Ms.
	Mickey has a doc.
	Women need, I think women, it's important for women to have, I think they just need more help than men in general, I think.
	It's my feeling, my experience.
	Keep digging.
	Yep.
	I'm up to my neck.
	And so all of the, and we have Blue Cross, all of the approved doctors, they all have electronic records.
	And we're like, no, we don't want to do that.
	And then she had to have her procedure.
	And they're like, well, you got to sign in on the website.
	I'm like, no, we're not doing that.
	And we go in and they're like, no, if you don't do it, you can't have your procedure done.
	So she has one doctor who is really good.
	He's the guy that got the compounded stuff for her thyroid that's made locally here in Austin, tailored to her specific situation.
	Yeah, those guys are under attack.
	Well, neither the compound in medication or that doctor is covered by the insurance.
	We have to pay that out of pocket.
	So I'm paying twice, essentially.
	Figures.
	Yeah.
	It's horrible.
	It's so...
	Yeah, don't get me started.
	James Crossett in St.
	Louis, Missouri, 222.22.
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	First-time donor, but like leaving a gentleman's club, hopefully only a semi-boner.
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	I figured after listening to one of those 300 episodes where John was describing a Berkeley Hummer that had me laughing so hard I had to stop mowing my lawn that I decided it was time to donate.
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	I cannot imagine not listening now, so I have to do my part.
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	Okay.
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	Excellent.
	You've got karma.
	He's got a birthday call out coming up.
	We've got that covered.
	That should be known as the Tom Sawyer karma.
	I can't believe he just said front row ticket karma.
	That's not right.
	She's not a huge fan of the show's daughter.
	She's 12 for some reason, but it's not for lack of trying.
	One thing she would like to hear is the original Mac and Cheese song, which always makes her laugh.
	The original Mac and Cheese?
	Does that mean your Mac and Cheese?
	I think he's talking.
	Wasn't there a mac and cheese song?
	Hold on.
	Oh, God.
	Anyway, he says that we have the best thing going and he appreciates the show.
	You can play my mac and cheese thing.
	Yeah, well, I'd love to play it if my mac hadn't completely frozen at this point.
	Well, put some cheese on it.
	All right.
	Hold on a second.
	True mac and cheese.
	The living the mac and cheese life is what you want.
	Oh, my God.
	This is really not...
	Oh, come on, please.
	Living the mac and cheese life.
	Mac and cheese by Ayn Rand.
	And then as a bonus...
	Chief, among many other things, she joined the Times from the Wall Street Journal in 1997.
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	Hey, hey.
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	There's your Hummer, right there.
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	Absolutely.
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	So, Hollywood, we don't get a lot of donations from Hollywood, California.
	No, they're too busy looking at hookers.
	Michael Levin.
	He's the symbiote agency.
	I wonder if I can get a bit part.
	Maybe I need an agent.
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	I don't think they do.
	Michael Levin.
	200 bucks.
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	I'll keep it short.
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	Just send some family karma.
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	Finally, Daniel Miller.
	I have a note.
	He's in Knoxville, Tennessee.
	We've got two Tennessee producers today.
	Isn't that interesting?
	The home of your buddy Al Gore.
	Dear Guardians of Reality, fact.
	The show has been groin-grabbingly good lately.
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	Hold on a second.
	Dan Miller.
	Is he not on there?
	No, he wouldn't be.
	No, okay.
	Dan Miller.
	When's his birthday?
	Uh...
	The 30th.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Yeah, it should work.
	You should be able to bribe the post office.
	Hey, girls.
	Hey, girls.
	I've had so many people come up to me about that one.
	Well, this is why we don't do video.
	Yeah, it would ruin it.
	It would ruin it.
	Yeah, we can't do video.
	Besides that, everyone's listening to the show.
	I mean, most of the video podcasts, when we were doing Cranky Geeks, which was a pure video podcast in a studio, 75% of the people were just downloading the MP3 file.
	They never watched it.
	No, not exactly.
	Who has time?
	Who has time?
	Oh, I'm sorry, chat room.
	Who has time to actually watch for three hours?
	Are you crazy?
	Yeah, it's a three-hour show.
	It's ridiculous.
	You can put it on your little MP3 and play it in the car when you're driving around, whatever.
	Is that how it works?
	So that's, anyway, we want to thank our executive producer and our executive producers for show...
	525, which is a nice number that we could have gotten someone to play with.
	I want to remind people to go to dvorak.org slash nachannel, dvorak.com slash nachannel.
	Also, the No Agenda Show website has a donate button as well as the No Agenda Nation website.
	Click there and help us out for the Sunday show, which is generally coming up.
	It's going to be slow, but This is good.
	This today's was...
	We know we have a lot of producers.
	The overall numbers aren't that great.
	And I think we're entering in the doldrums here for a month or so.
	The dog days.
	I also want to thank all of...
	I want to thank all of our producers...
	Our artists...
	Sab Swiss.
	I think someone who's new to the mix, we used Sab's art on the previous episode of the program, 524.
	Appreciate that.
	You can see all the art at noagendaartgenerator.com.
	A couple of quick PR... Wow!
	Hello.
	Can you back it off a little?
	Wow.
	That was a loud ring.
	This thing's a mile away from the mic, but I think maybe the mic's pointing at it.
	A couple of PR mentions.
	One, there is a...
	Now, one of our producers, Mathieu, Mathieu Gigi, has set up an automatic no agenda to YouTube conversion system.
	So the minute a show hits the RSS feed, it's converted, uploaded to YouTube.
	But check this.
	He does it sped up.
	I don't like that, personally.
	But is it sped up with the right tonal balance?
	Well, no.
	It's sped up like most of these players do.
	Players can play back at one and a half speed.
	I don't like that.
	I've never understood why people do that.
	I think you're missing a lot of the art.
	It's like looking at the Mona Lisa with your sunglasses on.
	No, no, looking at the Mona Lisa using Google Street View.
	That's a better analogy, thank you.
	And you can do that.
	You can actually go into the Louvre.
	I believe the Louvre is available on Google.
	I think the Louvre was the first website ever.
	I remember pitching Reebok and saying, how can you not be here?
	Here's the Mona Lisa!
	And it worked.
	And let's walk by the other paintings.
	That's right.
	Also, anyway, thank you very much.
	And the link in the show notes, of course, under the PR section.
	Scott says, in the morning, Adam and John, just letting you know that I'm continuing to propagate the message, I guess he means formula, by releasing my first Kindle giblet.
	It's called Foot on the Shore.
	And it's a story about an old man and his dog who find a severed foot on a beach.
	Unfortunately, the deal I had to publish one day in Gitmo Nation, which is a great book, has fallen through.
	But I'm working on getting it republished myself.
	And I have a few other No Agenda stories in the works, including one called Death by Autopen.
	Keep up the great work.
	I've attached the Kindle version of the latest story for you both.
	So be on the lookout for that, for the No Agenda giblet in the Amazon store.
	And this is all your fault, and I'm very thankful.
	We now have a No Agenda Texas meetup announcement.
	Hi, everybody.
	A group of the No Agenda producers is putting on a Texas No Agenda meetup.
	We want slaves like you charged up and ready to attend.
	And the link, because they have the website, is noagendatexas.com.
	And you should check this out.
	Go to...
	They've improved it.
	Remember, remember that this September, John fires black powder shot.
	What's the name of this URL? Noagendatexas.com.
	Event details.
	Let me see what's going on with the event.
	Let's see.
	Anyway, so they're working on...
	Very funny.
	Anyway, so they're working on something.
	But I'm leaving this up to you.
	By the way, I don't know what the guys got there, but that is not a black powder gun.
	It looks like a badass.
	Unless it's some new modern version.
	It could be.
	Could be.
	I don't know what that is.
	Why not?
	Why wouldn't you do that?
	You've got a really long scope.
	I don't know what the deal is with that, but I think it's just funny.
	I just love the look.
	I think that's not scope.
	That's not a scope.
	You shoot the black powder, and then you put your mouth on that thing and suck in the pile of smoke flying off of it.
	Yeah.
	Okay, yeah.
	I'm sorry, isn't that funny?
	Dvorak.org slash N-A. Hey, no matter what you do, we always ask you to go out and do this important thing, which is propagate our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	You've got to talk about that!
	Shut up, sleep.
	Alright, rabbit hole?
	Quick little rabbit hole?
	Hit it.
	Alright, so rabbit hole is we...
	Now, we know that John Young, who runs Cryptome.org, left WikiLeaks in 2007 and said, you guys are a CIA front, I want nothing to do with you.
	And, you know, we have gone through this ad nauseum about the Julius Sanchez background, you know, pretty much just feeling like, you know, the way it came down, the way the documents were published in newspapers and not online.
	It's the CIA front.
	There's also some code thing going on.
	Where they're calling him Assange.
	Have you noticed this?
	No.
	Is it Mr.
	Assange?
	No, just Julian Assange.
	And the CIA guys are calling him this.
	Interesting.
	And the whole thing is fishy.
	Interesting.
	I have not heard this.
	Yeah, in fact, there was a douchebag that was the head of the agency for some period of time, I think under Bush.
	I can't remember his name, but it was Woolsey or something like that.
	Yeah, Woolsey.
	He's back in the picture.
	And he came on some show going on and on about something or other, and he called him Assange.
	He said Assange and Manning needed to be thrown in the slammer.
	Anyway, go on.
	So I'm looking at the reports coming in and how WikiLeaks is now basically claiming Mr.
	Snowden as their own.
	And this woman appears.
	What I see...
	I'm sorry.
	That's not that woman.
	That was the waterhead.
	Here it is.
	This is what I wanted.
	Legal advisor to WikiLeaks.
	She joins me here live from London.
	Jennifer, thank you for coming on.
	And I just have to ask first couple of questions.
	Where is Edward Snowden right now?
	Now this woman, her name is...
	Jennifer Robinson.
	And she is a lawyer.
	And let's listen to what she says and then let's go down the hole.
	As Julian Assange confirmed this afternoon on the telephone conference call, he is in direct contact with WikiLeaks, but at this stage they are not disclosing where he is.
	He is in good health, he's in high spirits, we understand, but they are not disclosing his whereabouts.
	Can you tell me where he would like to go?
	Priority number one.
	I understand my instructions are, and as has been widely reported, that he has now sought asylum from Ecuador and has made an application exercising his legal right under international law to seek asylum.
	That is now a matter for the Ecuadorian government.
	This entire interview, she's saying, my instructions are, this is what I have been told to relate to you.
	I am a moron.
	And so I'm like, okay, who is this woman?
	So Jennifer Robinson is a lawyer, and she is the legal director for the Bertha Foundation.
	BerthaFoundation.org.
	Go to this website, and this is a very, very interesting...
	In fact, I'm going to go there myself...
	They hand out money to all kinds of groups, but there's no information about who's behind it.
	How do you spell this?
	B-U? B-E. Bravo Echo Romeo Tango Hotel Alpha.
	Bertha Foundation was established in 2010 by a family who believes that bright ideas combined with resources and strong leadership can create profound social impact.
	We believe in the power of social activism to generate social, political, economic, and environmental change.
	We believe in passionate individuals and projects that can affect change on a local or global scale.
	These are the people who paid for this woman to represent WikiLeaks and Mr.
	Snowden.
	Well, let me mention a couple other things.
	One, the art on the webpage, people should check out.
	There's a bunch of people in a circle, a bunch of kids, and it looks like they're maybe African.
	And then there's a woman with a camera wearing a headscarf, and she appears to be a Muslim.
	I don't know what the point of that is.
	And then there's a quote from Peter Gabriel on the right-hand side.
	So this thing is very...
	Now, go to Grantees, John.
	If you click on Grantees up there at the top, And they also have a weird logo with a B in the middle of it.
	Yep.
	Kind of a fascist-looking thing.
	Oh, yeah.
	So they're handing out money to the Sundance Institute, the Ubuntu Education Fund.
	But here's what's interesting.
	There is no record of the Bertha Foundation that I could find as a non-profit in the United States, even though they claim to be a non-profit foundation.
	Well, obviously, they're claiming that.
	that where they claim that if you look at about they well I'm sorry, they're not talking about being a non-profit.
	We believe philanthropy is more than science, and we focus on people and their vision.
	We try to be trailblazers in finding daring opportunities.
	And you look at the grantees, and it's basically propagandistic.
	Right down to the Ubuntu Education Fund, which I think is the African thing.
	Now, the Ubuntu Education Fund...
	They receive a lot of money.
	They receive like a million dollars just from the Bertha Foundation.
	But who is the Bertha Foundation?
	That's all I really want to know.
	Oh, by the way, on the Grantees page, there's a quote from Harry Belafonte.
	Radical thought is the energy of the universe.
	Now, it's not saying that Harry Belafonte is a member of the Bertha Foundation.
	No, they just put a quote on there.
	I could do that myself if I wanted to.
	And then if you look at...
	They have all of these crazy news stories.
	Let me see.
	Our focus...
	They have a thing called We Own TV. Yeah.
	I'm telling you, this is...
	We aim to inspire lawyers and legal activism.
	We aim to inspire and enable the work of socially minded lawyers and are committed to strengthening the field of public interest law.
	Now, I go on a search for hours to find out, is there a family called Bertha?
	Yeah, who are these people?
	Who are these people?
	And why don't they just disclose that on their website?
	Yeah.
	They do say, we do not fund animal rights welfare organizations, crisis and disaster relief, genetic and rare diseases, governments, large-scale scientific or social research, political candidates and campaigns, religious organizations, universities in the developed world.
	But they do fund WikiLeaks, apparently, because they're paying for WikiLeaks' legal help.
	And I run into a woman who is featured as a part of the Ubuntu Foundation, a video on one of these bullcrap, you know, sites.
	And her name is Lara Tabatsnik.
	Yes, you can't make it any crazier than that.
	And she is the CEO and founder of the Bertha Foundation.
	Ah, you finally got to the bottom of it.
	It's kind of like a fake Ted.
	Being in the position to be able to create change is something I feel is a privilege and a responsibility.
	I'm Lara Tabatsnik, founder and CEO of the Bertha Foundation.
	One of the trips I did this year was out in rural Kenya.
	One of the schools we went to is probably the poorest one I've ever been to in my life.
	It was literally All right, so do you get the point?
	She's full of shit.
	She's talking, what are you talking about?
	She's got that kind of fake accent.
	And then I'm like, okay, what is going on with this woman?
	The only thing I can find...
	So the BerthaFoundation.org is registered to her at what I presume is her address of 70 Washington...
	Hold on a second.
	It is 70...
	I think Washington Street in Brooklyn, New York, Penthouse H. And if you look at it, this is a $2.5 million penthouse.
	This is just some rich woman who likes to help black kids with no clothes and finances this stuff.
	And you cannot find a single thing about her.
	She is invisible as far as anything Bertha Foundation goes.
	She has a wiki page.
	Which only references the Ubuntu Education Foundation.
	The whole thing is like, what is going on?
	And where are these people coming from?
	Who are they?
	And why are they funding this?
	Laura Tabasnik.
	And you found what?
	Nothing!
	Nothing!
	Well, this is not good.
	No!
	This is actually very, very bad.
	Because we have an unknown group with unknown financiers providing legal and spokeshole assistance.
	To WikiLeaks and Mr.
	Snowden, I do have his, you're going to love this, I have inside information that the same PR firm that handles Mr.
	Assange will now also be handling Mr.
	Snowden, and that is Fitzgibbon Media.
	And you need to take a look at their site.
	Fitzgibbon is F-I-T-Z Gibbon Media dot com.
	And their clients is a veritable who's who of douchebags.
	The Courage Campaign, who of course were very big on...
	On the gay marriage thing, the Invisible War, Demand Action to End Gun Violence, MoveOn.org, Amnesty, Safer Chemicals, Healthy Families, Common Cause, America's Voice.
	It goes on and on and on, Democracy for America.
	So this is one of the true Washington Insider PR campaigns.
	And they already represent Mr.
	Assange and WikiLeaks.
	Because, you know, of course, you know, the huge organization, I guess.
	I guess they just have money coming out of their assholes.
	And they will now be doing the PR for Mr.
	Snowdon.
	Interesting is they have a...
	So they don't like exposing backpage.com.
	They're real policy guys.
	They have a...
	What we do.
	You should read this.
	They have something called Artist Action.
	Connecting causes with like-minded artists to raise awareness and inspire action.
	This is how people like Bono and R.E.M. get involved.
	By recruiting musicians, artists, and celebrities to elevate progressive causes, artist action adds a powerful new element to advocacy and outreach efforts that when combined with Fitzgibbon Media's earned media, you know what that is, right?
	No.
	Oh, this is how they calculate how much they charge their clients.
	Oh, one of these operations.
	Well, this is an old idea that comes and goes in public relations.
	We should explain it.
	Yes.
	So the way I understand it, and then you jump in.
	Is they go out and they promote something and they'll say, okay, we're going to have Bono talk about how we need WikiLeaks to be freed.
	Julian Assange needs to be freed.
	And there'll be 50 stories and they'll go and they'll measure the actual size of the stories in print, the time that was spent on the stories on the news.
	And the number of webpages, and let's say, if you had to buy banners, commercials, and other forms of advertising, it would cost this much money to get this much exposure.
	Almost.
	Oh, okay.
	What did I miss?
	Well, how it really works, and I actually, this is 20 years old, this information, from one of the guys who invented this idea.
	Although this has come and gone in public relations.
	Generally speaking, it's looked down upon.
	But they actually have a fee schedule.
	That they present the client and they say, here's the deal.
	We're going to be representing you and here's the fee schedule.
	In other words, if you get an article in the Wall Street Journal because of what we did and actually anything that happens once you sign on with these guys, whether it was because of us or because somebody in the Wall Street Journal actually wanted to know.
	It's what it's going to cost you.
	The Wall Street Journal will be worth like $1,500 for that article and a couple of this.
	And they don't actually go through any trouble measuring anything.
	It's just that if you're in the Wall Street Journal, you have to pay us this much money.
	And essentially, people sign on to that.
	There's not much work involved in this except to...
	Tracking all the places where something showed up.
	You get a guest spot on MSNBC. You have to pay five grand and all the rest of it.
	And it's a pretty straightforward business, but it's really sleazy.
	And I would like to point out that as far as I know, the celebrities that I've known who have participated in stuff like this, they get paid.
	They get paid for their participation.
	If you look at the site here, you see Artists Action.
	Introducing Artists Action.
	Let's see.
	Sir Paul McCartney backs the Global Zero movement, which is...
	Now, he may not have received payment for it, but he was recruited.
	Let's see.
	Do we have any...
	Oh, they have a video here?
	They might have a little promo.
	They have a little promo.
	That would be cool.
	I didn't realize that now.
	It doesn't seem to be working.
	Artists we've worked with.
	REM, Pearl Jam, Tom Morello, Rise Against?
	Jason Mraz, Steve Earle, The Roots, Alicia Keys, Yoko Ono, Chris Cornell, Paul McCartney, Ozo Matli.
	Oh man, I'm showing my age.
	Dirty Projectors, Jackson Brown, Serge Tankian, Talib Kweli, Alabama Shakes, Dave Matthews.
	Artist action adds a powerful new element to advocacy.
	When combined with Fitzgibbon's media, earned media and digital strategies can tip the scales, cause a campaign to stand out and reach a much wider audience.
	Yeah, so in other words, what you're saying, and what I believe is...
	They're selling here is that these bands have sold out to these guys.
	Correct.
	Correct.
	And so when you have, they'll, for one thing, they'll do a, even though they will get paid, but they'll do a benefit for one of these operations, the drop of a hat.
	They'll get paid.
	Exactly.
	They'll get paid, but they'll do the benefit.
	And then while doing the benefit, they'll be saying things on stage like, this is great what they're doing.
	Yeah.
	Have you been a part of this?
	Yeah.
	So they have case studies, and this was the exposingbackpage.com, child sex trafficking in our own backyard.
	Do you remember how big this campaign was?
	Well, these guys, they do that.
	Now, I'm not saying that this is bad, but it's certainly not transparent is how it's happening.
	This was Fair Girls paid for the campaign, which was partnered with Change.org, SignOn.org, the Polaris Project, and something called Auburn.
	And they essentially show how they attacked Backpage.org.
	And so you may think that when you're watching television, you know, that, oh man, it kind of started with We Are the World and Artists United Against Sun City.
	Hands across America.
	There's a million of these.
	And it's all bogative.
	It's all bogative.
	Well, we've been saying that for five years.
	I know, but to advertise it and say, hey...
	Oh yeah, no, actually, if we would do...
	Yeah, we could find all of these operations.
	I think...
	I think exposing them once in a while is a good thing.
	And this is a great example.
	I mean, these guys are pay for play.
	In other words, you get your thing, which is a sleazy way to do public relations, by the way.
	But some people think it's a better deal.
	It turns out not to be.
	And then to have all these sellouts, which you just named, Dave Matthews, Jackson Brown.
	R.E.M. R.E.M. I've always respected that guy.
	Well, there you have it.
	And Jimmy Wales now has said, oh, you know what?
	We're going to break the Wikipedia rules, and we're going to track who was using the Snowden talk page.
	Remember, you're supposed to be able to be anonymous.
	There's no tracking of Wikipedia editors.
	And so, no, no, not Jimmy Wales.
	No, he's the protector of the book of knowledge.
	He'll go and he'll try and track them down.
	I don't think the guy...
	I think...
	You know what?
	I'm not even sure that Snowden exists.
	I'm not even sure.
	It could be a scam.
	It could be.
	Well, it could be a beautiful scam.
	We don't know.
	We've never met him.
	No.
	I have no idea whatsoever.
	No idea whatsoever.
	Of course, you know, that kind of thinking falls...
	I have a clip, which I just cracked.
	I didn't want to clip this whole thing because it was really, really kind of odd.
	But there's a clip, which is called Idiotic Puff Piece for Google.
	The person that you're going to be listening to here...
	Is a woman who I, probably a high-paid executive at Google, sounds just like a moron.
	And they're rolling out some new product, you know, where Google can track you in all kinds of new ways.
	It's going to make your life so much better.
	But there's a couple of zingers in here about, you know, that make you wonder, do they think the American public is as stupid to think that there is no such thing as a Barack Obama and their Eiffel Tower was made up?
	Just play this.
	We're fully wired.
	That's what Google aimed to show at a townhouse in New York City.
	The tech giant demonstrated how its enhanced search capabilities could potentially improve everything from planning a wedding to cooking.
	Google now understands real people, places, and things in the world, like who is Barack Obama, that he's an actual person, or the MoMA, or Eiffel Tower understands.
	It's actually a real thing and can sort of give you all the information you want to know about that topic available through this beautiful panel on the webpage.
	Show me pictures of the boardwalk in Santa Cruz.
	Ah, ah, ah.
	Make it stop my ears.
	Show me pictures of the boardwalk.
	Show me pictures.
	Okay, glass.
	Show me pictures of the boardwalk.
	This is a smart home.
	Oh, wow.
	You know, we have not moved beyond the, your refrigerator will know when to order milk.
	We're still at that stage, aren't we?
	My all-time favorite.
	Yeah, where is that?
	I'm still waiting for the smart refrigerator.
	I will say, the smart meters have got to go.
	This crap is, and let me explain why.
	Because this is very apropos in the whole conversation about cell phone metadata.
	Man, the metadata you get from a smart meter when you're home, when you turn on certain stuff.
	I mean, it is actual RF reception.
	It can do a million different things.
	This is the metadata of your life is in these smart meters.
	And they can shut them off remotely.
	Well, that's the best part.
	Hey, slave.
	Hey, buddy, you don't like the way you're voting.
	Boom!
	Although I got a, and this is funny because it's from FEMA, and I put it in the show notes on the last show.
	I'll republish it.
	It's a wood-burning gasifier.
	Are you familiar with this?
	As a matter of fact, I am.
	This is really cool.
	You build this wood-burning thing with a series of tubes.
	You hook it up to a generator and you can run your car on wood.
	Well, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Well, I mean, it's a weird product because it creates electricity.
	No, no, no.
	Isn't it the electricity one?
	No, no.
	It creates gasoline that powers an engine.
	Oh, okay.
	Have you ever seen this?
	No, I've seen the electricity one, which you burn a bunch of stuff and then you get some voltage out of a plug.
	Ooh, I like that.
	I haven't seen that.
	Yeah, they're very small and you just throw some wood in there and you get electricity.
	And it's from a FEMA brochure.
	So it's a gasification plant.
	Yeah, and you put wood pellets in.
	And then you stir it around, and then it's burning the charcoal and whatever, and it goes through a filtration thing, and then before you know it, you open up the valve, and you hook that up to your generator, or I've seen people with a pickup truck.
	They have actual pickup trucks with this thing in the back.
	I mean, it's huge.
	It's like an alcohol distillery.
	But they have that in the back, and the tube going right into the engine, and they're driving on the right.
	This is right up your alley.
	This is perfect.
	I'm like, where's this been all my life?
	I have the pickup truck.
	If someone would want to help, I try to look to buy one, and there's really, you know, it's like everybody says, oh, buy plans.
	I don't want a plan.
	I want someone to come here, build me the gasifier, put it in the back of the truck, and I want to drive on wood.
	It's great!
	And the FEMA brochure actually says, you know, in case of, you know, if the grid goes down, here's what you need to do.
	You can build this gasifier and you can run your generator on it.
	And there's tons of YouTube videos of guys who have built this.
	And it's fascinating.
	I'm like, wow!
	They put wood in?
	And, you know, you get a barrel full of this stuff and you can run your generator for five hours.
	On wood pellets or whatever wood you want to burn?
	I had not heard of this.
	I was like, wow, yeah, right up my alley.
	You're absolutely right.
	Keep researching it.
	Let's get back to our sleazeball operations.
	Come on, that was the highlight of love.
	Yeah, I know, I can tell.
	You would probably be thrilled by this knowledge.
	Yeah, I'm very, very thrilled.
	I can use wood.
	I can buy some seeds and some water purification.
	Maybe we should sell this stuff.
	Well, yeah, there you go.
	Let's sell plans.
	Hi everybody, buy plans now on how you can drive your car on wood.
	That's right.
	Only $99.95.
	We'll send you the plans.
	And that's with an extra $10 for shipping and handling.
	I read the President's Climate Action Plan.
	Which I read before he did his speech, which conveniently was done on the hottest day he could find, so it would look like he was really sweating from all of this global warming.
	Exactly.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	I need to ask you a couple questions.
	You are, of course, not only a historian, you are a scientist.
	You have worked for an environmental protection agency.
	You are also an outstanding chef.
	So I need to ask you a few questions about the statements made by the president.
	And around the same time we began exploring space, scientists were studying changes taking place in the Earth's atmosphere.
	Now, scientists had known since the 1800s that greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide trap heat.
	Is this true?
	Have we known this since the 1800s?
	Not that I know of.
	I mean, the 1800s, scientists, is this Antony Van Leeuwenhoek?
	He was inventing the telescope, and he went, I see some greenhouse gases up there.
	I mean, is this a fact?
	Not that I know of.
	I'm not doubting the president.
	If you read everything written in the 1800s, somebody probably said something.
	And that burning fossil fuels released those gases into the air.
	That wasn't news.
	But in the late 1950s, the National Weather Service began measuring the levels of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere, with the worry that rising levels might someday disrupt the fragile balance that makes our planet so hospitable.
	Okay, so, alright.
	Fragile balance.
	Alright, fragile balance.
	This is the big one that they're using.
	The 12 warmest years in recorded history have all come in the last 15 years.
	This is a very interesting statistic to me.
	So was it the last three years that it went down?
	There's a gap of three years where they weren't the warmest, and what happened to those?
	And is it just forever and ever or recorded history?
	Do we have records going back to the 1800s when these scientists were watching this and measuring this and knew about fossil fuels?
	To me, it was a mind-boggling statistic.
	Last year, temperatures in some areas of the ocean reached record highs.
	Some.
	And ice in the Arctic shrank to its smallest size on record, faster than most models had predicted it would.
	Models?
	Mm-hmm.
	These are facts.
	Oh!
	Fact!
	Now, we know that no single weather event is caused solely by climate change.
	This is very interesting.
	You can see them working on the new sales pitch.
	This is very well done.
	Very well done.
	Droughts and fires and floods, they go back to ancient times.
	As recorded.
	But we also know that in a world that's warmer than it used to be, all weather events are affected.
	By a warming planet.
	This is a fact.
	All right.
	So, okay.
	All right.
	I'm still good to go.
	Now he comes out with what I think is the best line of the speech.
	In fact, those who are already feeling the effects of climate change don't have time to deny it.
	They're busy dealing with it.
	I think that's a great line.
	Oh, we're in a hurry.
	Actually, I think this was put in there.
	Because we know that this may be, you know, because of the sunspot cycle and whatever, it may be reversing and we're not going to have any more of these examples.
	They're going to start disappearing to enough of an extreme that it's going to make everyone lose interest, which they're already doing because of the fake data and all the rest of it.
	And so I think this was put in there to create the sense of urgency that they need to start doing something so when it does reverse, they can say, look, we started doing something, and it works!
	Oh, yeah.
	No, no, that's very clear.
	It's already going to happen in this term.
	You are already going to see this go down.
	It will change.
	This is what happened, by the way, with acid rain.
	He mentioned that in his speech.
	He mentioned acid rain and how...
	I didn't notice that they had a cap-and-trade program they put in.
	Somebody made a lot of money on acid rain.
	And I don't notice that anything has really changed in the way people do anything.
	The whole acid rain thing was bogus.
	Let's listen to the science, John.
	So the question is not whether we need to act.
	The overwhelming judgment of science, of chemistry and physics...
	Wow.
	And millions of measurements.
	Millions of measurements, I tell you.
	Has put all that to rest.
	97% of scientists.
	Science!
	The science is in!
	Including, by the way, some who originally disputed the data.
	97% of all scientists in the known universe...
	Yeah, this is bogus because there's so many scientists that will not speak up about this because they get shouted down by the maniacs.
	96?
	No, no, no.
	98?
	No.
	97% because there's a known number of scientists.
	We know exactly how many scientists there are.
	We asked them all and 97% said, yep, I'm in.
	Yeah, that's a very sketchy answer.
	They've acknowledged the planet is warming.
	And human activity is contributing to it.
	This is very important.
	That's fact!
	Fact!
	Fact!
	The question now is whether we will have the courage to act before it's too late.
	Okay, courage.
	Very good.
	Now, the president has the...
	We talked about performatives on the show.
	Performatives are...
	I mean, would you like to take a stab at that, John?
	Well, they're a way of couching a phraseology that essentially focuses attention on what you're doing, not what you're saying, I think, is part of the explanation.
	But it's used as propaganda.
	It allows you to tell a lie without really telling a lie.
	As a president, as a father, and as an American, I'm here to say, we need to act.
	It doesn't get any better than that.
	Yeah?
	As a scientist?
	No.
	No.
	As a father, as an American, as a president, I'm here to say...
	He's not doing the fact thing.
	He's like, I'm here to say...
	I found that to be one of the best performatives I've heard him do in a long time.
	It was a good one.
	It was a gem.
	Now, the sad fact of all this, or really not sad, have you looked at the price of natural gas, John?
	Has it gone up?
	It must have gone up.
	It cannot have stayed down.
	It hasn't gone up as much as you'd like to believe.
	Is it around $4 now?
	Is it finally?
	I think it's still under $4.
	Let me take a look.
	I think it's like $3.90 last time I looked.
	It's got to be.
	Okay, but remember it was a $3.
	So it's gone up by 33%.
	Ayo.
	Uh-huh.
	Because this is all about gas.
	It's $3.59.
	Okay, so it's not bounding out of the gate.
	This is all about natural gas.
	By the way, gold is down to $12.12.
	No, no, we can talk about that.
	Let's stay on the natural gas for a moment.
	The bottom line is natural gas is creating jobs.
	Ah.
	It's lowering many families' heat and power bills.
	And it's the transition fuel that can power our economy globally.
	With less carbon pollution, even as our businesses work to develop and then deploy more of the technology required for the even cleaner energy economy of the future.
	In the speech, he very briefly mentions nuclear, which I was happy to hear.
	You know, I'm a big fan of nuclear.
	I think it truly is the ultimate renewable.
	In the plan itself, there is under the $7 billion that will be made available, which is pretty much nothing.
	There is a provision for new compact reactors.
	Now, we have the NEA, the Nuclear Regulatory Agency within our government, pretty much has anti-nuke people running it.
	So I don't expect this to happen because nuclear is not a good deal.
	Nuclear is not...
	You can't gouge people over and over again for nuclear.
	Although I think they're stupid because...
	Right.
	There's actually...
	There is a model that does work for a backyard nuke that will power your house for over 100 years unmaintained.
	You just put it back there and you plug a thing into your circuit and you're done.
	You're good to go forever.
	I don't understand why they don't see the opportunity is to create...
	And nuclear plants are very expensive to build, not because the plant is so expensive to build, but because of all the regulatory bull crap that made it impossible.
	Well, also, there's some elements of the plant because we don't do what the French do.
	We have a non-standardized system, so every plant is different.
	They're all custom-made.
	It's like, let's say we drive cars.
	So instead of buying a Toyota, every time you buy a new car, you'd actually go to a custom guy and have the car built from scratch.
	What do you think that would cost compared to a Toyota?
	Right, right, right.
	I think the opportunity is to build these reactors, hook everyone up to it, and then just charge them for nothing.
	I don't understand why no one sees this.
	Once you build it, it's working.
	It's running.
	These new reactors, the breeders, they eat their own bulk.
	They eat their own poop.
	They put it back into the front end.
	There's almost no waste.
	It's perpetual motion almost.
	That's how good this stuff is.
	And then you could charge people for air!
	I don't understand why no one sees that opportunity.
	But okay.
	I did get a note from producer Steve.
	Adam, I want to confirm gas lines are installed with solar panels.
	I'm an attorney for a large corporation and was asked to review some provisions in a contract for the installation of solar panels on one of our locations.
	In these instances, I usually scan the entire contract before honing in on the language directly related to my speciality.
	Much to my surprise, a lot of information in the contract related to gas lines.
	I found this particularly odd because this is an existing location, so it already has utility service.
	As such, there's no need to back up the solar.
	Presumably, they could just use the existing electrical provider when the solar isn't adequate.
	And wind stuff, it's all hiding gas burners, gas turbines.
	It's all about gas, and we know this because this is what we've been following ever since episode 381, I think.
	We've been following pipelines and gas lines, and that's what this is all about.
	So the idea was, as predicted under the Clean Air Act, is to, I think, essentially give us rolling blackouts or whatever.
	It's going to make coal, which is dirty, although you can make it very clean.
	Actually, most coal today can be made extremely clean.
	Yes.
	With the floating beds and the scrubbers and all the rest of it.
	But nobody wants to talk about any of this.
	No.
	After all, we have 350 years.
	If we just power the entire country with coal, we have so much coal.
	Everyone says this.
	They don't say it anymore.
	We're going to say it again on the show.
	We are the Saudi Arabia of coal.
	We have 350 years supply.
	If we use nothing but coal, we would be powering the United States for the next 350 years, no problem.
	So, well, you know, that's not any good.
	We can't do that.
	And to help them do it faster.
	Now he's talking about this is part of the whole climate change deal.
	You help the poorer nations.
	You give them the money.
	You trade.
	You cap.
	Whatever you do.
	We're going to partner with our private sector to apply...
	What does this partner with the private sector business?
	What does that mean?
	It's corporatism.
	It's fascism is what it means.
	It's very simple.
	I mean, when someone says that, to me, that's like, I'd like a deal like that.
	Can I partner with the government?
	Yeah, let's partner with the No Agenda show.
	Yeah, why don't you partner up with me, bro?
	Private sector technological know-how in countries that transition to natural gas.
	So he's now selling for the gas industry.
	We've mobilized billions of dollars in private capital for clean energy projects.
	How does he mobilize billions of dollars in private capital?
	I'm hearing the words come out of his mouth.
	We've mobilized billions of dollars in private equity.
	Really?
	Then you must have held some carrot in front of them.
	Private equity doesn't just jump up and down and say, oh, I really want to save the world.
	Let me give you billions of dollars.
	No.
	Around the world.
	Today I'm calling for an end of public financing for new coal plants overseas.
	Unless they deploy carbon capture technologies or there's no other viable way for the poorest countries to generate electricity.
	There's GE's contract.
	So unless there's really no other way they can do it, then, you know, but since when do we fund public funds for coal plants overseas?
	Mexico is what it is.
	Foreign.
	I think that means Mexico.
	We don't know that.
	Yes, we do.
	Are you kidding me?
	No, we don't know that it's just Mexico.
	Oh, no, but that's important to us because they're shutting down coal plants in Texas.
	Texas now buys its electricity from Mexico, from coal plants built by GE. Did you know this?
	No.
	This is like a Texas piece of news.
	Yeah, they shut down.
	They're shutting down all these...
	Do you remember the Super Bowl we had here in Texas?
	We have a Super Bowl where the power went out?
	Right, right.
	This was the Super Bowl in Dallas.
	Yeah.
	That's because they had to shut down the plants.
	They're shutting down the coal plants in Texas so that we can then import energy from Mexico from coal plants.
	It's not like the coal dust doesn't float over the border.
	Built by GE. You can't make this stuff up.
	Another viable way for the poorest countries to generate electricity.
	Yeah.
	You know what I say?
	I say screw the poor countries, is what I say.
	Screw you guys.
	Alright, then the final bit, and this just put it all to rest, so the conversation is over, you just need to shut up.
	Nobody has a monopoly on what is a very hard problem, but I don't have much patience for anyone who denies that this challenge is real.
	No!
	Shut up, slave!
	Don't be a denier!
	The science is in!
	We don't have time for a meeting of the Flat Earth Society We don't have time for a meeting of the Flat Earth Society Wow You know, it's funny because I heard that thing, but taking it apart the way you just did by deconstructing and listening to each segment and trying to figure out what it's about because everything's about something.
	And then coming up with the shut-up slave at the end would have got you clip of the week except for the produced thing you did, which I want you to play again at the end of the show.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, I understand.
	I understand.
	And, well, let me wrap it up then, because this whole speech was filled with performatives.
	And one of our producers, who just blew my mind, let me see if I have this producer's...
	Let me see who the...
	This was Mike Kowalczyk.
	Adam, I study linguistics in college and grad school, so your discussion of performatives on Sunday's show was very interesting.
	I was thinking about it.
	So we have smart people listening.
	Grad school, that means you're a professor?
	No, no.
	It means he's a grad student trying to get his PhD or his master's.
	So he may already have it.
	He may already be there.
	But I didn't go to college, so I'm already impressed.
	I got a college kid talking to me.
	Yeah.
	I was thinking, and I think I have found the ultimate performative.
	Would you like to hear it, John?
	No, not really.
	Yes, you do.
	I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear.
	That I will faithfully execute.
	That I will faithfully execute.
	The office of President of the United States.
	The whole oath is a performative.
	I do solemnly swear.
	That I will faithfully execute to the best of my ability.
	The office of President of the United States.
	And will, to the best of my ability.
	And will, to the best of my ability.
	Preserve, protect, and defend.
	Preserve, protect, and defend.
	The Constitution of the United States.
	The whole thing is open to interpretation now.
	Well, he's already interpreted that his job is not to defend the Constitution, but to protect us from evil.
	Ha, ha, ha, ha.
	And let me just mess with you.
	Final note for today from Jared.
	I had to call Microsoft this morning and remembered what was said on Sunday's show.
	I was on hold and I said, fuck, each time the voice system wanted me to say things like office.
	I was then told to hold on for a representative.
	The outsource representative was even nicer than usual to me.
	I think the tip works.
	Why don't you re-explain the tip to somebody who didn't catch that show?
	We've had multiple CIS administrators who work on voice systems.
	Email us about voice recognition that of course the NSA employs and uses to listen to everything.
	And these are used in commercial companies.
	And if the voice system detects you are agitated, you get moved to the front of the line.
	And he specifically said the F word is the word that you use and make it sound like you're really agitated.
	And this guy tested it.
	He called Microsoft and every single time he had to provide an answer, I don't even think you have to wait for the voice prompt.
	He said, fuck!
	And boom!
	He got immediately put onto a live person within 35 seconds.
	That is the tip of the year for us.
	Well, it goes along with our can't raise my arms above my shoulder thing.
	Yeah, well, there's that.
	Not everyone's flying around all the time.
	You do need technical support or you have to call these phony machines constantly.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah, it's interesting.
	No, I mean, we need to try it.
	Everyone, please try this.
	We really, really need to know that this is working.
	But to me, this is fact proof.
	I'm liking it.
	And that alone, that alone will be worth your price of admission to this podcast.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda In the morning This is a fact.
	I think I'm telling you, one hour of that would be ideal.
	Over and over again?
	Yeah, that guy.
	About five seconds in between.
	Try it now.
	Oh, hold on.
	I just dropped it.
	Well, it's kind of...
	Wait, hold on.
	I know how to do this.
	This is a fact.
	Yeah, I'll do a couple times in a row.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me set it up.
	Because now you're asking me to do stuff that wasn't prepared.
	So should it be a little, like something in between?
	No, it should just be, this is a fact, and then a pause of about five seconds.
	Okay.
	Alright, let's try it.
	And then again, and again, forever.
	Alright, here we go.
	This is a fact.
	This is a fact.
	No, it's got to be more in between.
	More time in between?
	I think close to ten seconds.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Okay, well let's try it.
	This is a fact.
	Yeah, I think that would be it.
	I'm not done yet.
	This is a fact.
	This is a fact.
	Yeah.
	This is a fact.
	And then you can play that bald guy, the billionaire guy.
	Okay, I'll do that at the end of the show.
	Okay, here we go.
	Let's just thank a few of the producers.
	Please, please, save me.
	Jason Stevens in Lost Wages, Nevada, $111.11.
	Allen, $110.
	Just plain old Allen in Silverdale, Washington, home of the Silverdale Mall.
	I just got my DOD federal furlough letter, so I'd better do this now while I can still afford it.
	He's got a birthday shout-out for George Orwell.
	Really?
	Is that on the list?
	I would think so.
	It's highlighted.
	Philip Merkert Merkert.
	In Rothelmünster.
	Okay, I would say Merkert.
	Merkert, Merkert.
	Philipp Merkert, Merkert in Deutschland.
	Deutschland, 100 bucks.
	Let's see.
	What does he say here?
	This has lost the show out of sight for a longer period of time.
	I'd like to report back by donating some of my hard-earned money as an employee of the Deutsche Bahn.
	Oh, he's the railroad man.
	Yeah.
	Woo!
	Bahn gut, Flugzeug schlecht.
	Actually, they have that crazy little beep, beep, beep, beep horn, which I'd love to get a good recording of.
	We need to do a German version.
	It should be, Einsteigen!
	All aboard, train's good.
	Deutsche Bahn gut, Flugzeug schlecht.
	I was kind of a...
	Woodman Colon or Colin, 94, 95.
	No note.
	Irvin Owens Jr., 75, 57 in Alameda, California.
	Josh Morris, 69.
	Oh, sorry.
	I was still...
	I'm still in my German vibe.
	There we go.
	69, dude!
	See, the last show we did, there was four.
	And then, of course, it's all been downhill since our big 69, 69 day.
	He says he's been a boner for too long.
	We have some karma at the end of the messaging.
	Matthew Wittering, 69, in Bedford.
	By the way, Morris was in...
	Sir Matthew.
	Kearney, Missouri.
	Sir Matthew Wittering in Bedfordshire, the UK. Gregory Ball in Walsand, Tyne on Thames or someplace.
	And that was it.
	It's done.
	Holy mackerel, that's it.
	69!
	69!
	Done.
	Done, dudes.
	So we'll have probably two on Sunday, and then I think this whole thing, which has been going on for over a year, will be dead.
	Good.
	I know you've been looking forward to it being dead.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's me, man.
	I've been looking forward to it.
	You've been looking forward to it.
	Rebecca Waters came in with 69.00 out of New Mexico.
	Lawrence Dring in Chesterfield, Michigan, 55-55.
	Maxwell Roberts, double nickels on the dime in Manhattan, Kansas.
	Aaron Schnee in Lincoln, Nebraska, 55-10.
	Kevin Payne, 55-10.
	5069 in Richmond, Virginia.
	Second Mile Productions in Liberty, Maine.
	Oh, that's Brian and Susie.
	Is it?
	Yeah, Brian and Susie Morris.
	Remember we stayed at their house in Ohio?
	And they've invited us.
	They went from their place in Ohio...
	Remember, these are the cats who said, oh, you know, we're on vacation, but here's the keys to the car, the keys to the house, you know, do whatever you want.
	They now have like 153 acres in Liberty, Maine.
	Wow.
	I don't think they have electricity.
	You just get one of those wood burners.
	Yeah.
	Brian knows how to do that stuff, I'm sure.
	50 bucks from Peter Totes, Shad Rich in Seattle, 50, Bradley Walker, Spring, Texas, and Gregory Rosati in Suffolk, Virginia.
	That's it.
	We're done.
	Okay.
	Short list.
	Yes.
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	Was there a note here from Sir Ryan we had to read?
	There was something on the...
	I've got, hey John and Adam, when this whole NSA spying thing broke, nobody in the office except for me were completely shocked that our own government wouldn't do such a thing.
	Oh, did we get something from Brian?
	I don't think so.
	Anyway.
	No, but I did get an anonymous thing.
	Well, let me finish this note.
	How could members of our own government sworn to protect the Constitution go behind our backs and do such a thing?
	My boss, with whom I've discussed no agenda several times, summed it up best when he said, you know the worst thing about the NSA spying is that they're proving Adam Curry right.
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	I've been a fan of Howard Stern.
	I've always liked what he does on the radio.
	And I grew up, well, not grew up, but I listened to him in New York.
	When I was driving into MTV from Jersey, when I lived in New York, and also my first company.
	And I listened a lot, and I think he still has quite a big following.
	On SiriusXM.
	Would you say that's pretty much all that people listen to?
	I've listened to, one time, the last time I drove up to Washington, I ended up listening to...
	Howard Stern on a lot of the trip because I had a satellite radio in the car.
	And I would say that one thing, it's interesting about you, this was just best of, so it was just like a lot of his stuff.
	I think the one thing that's overlooked about him since he kind of presents himself as a douchebag, but he is one of the most interesting and outrageously talented interviewers.
	That I've ever heard in my life.
	Because he will get people, because of the way he does it.
	I mean, I follow interviewers because I think you can learn a lot.
	If you do interviewing at all, and I do it occasionally, you can learn a lot by watching the best.
	I mean, Larry King was another good one.
	He had some tricks that were interesting.
	But Stern...
	It's absolutely astonishing the way he will start to dig at somebody when he senses a nugget that he wants to get out of.
	And he will just go after it and dig and dig and dig.
	And he's somewhat irresistible, I suppose.
	Luckily, he has always kept Robin by his side, for she understands how this country works.
	Stern, not so much.
	Government surveillance efforts are credited with foiling more than 50 terror plots since 9-11.
	This is all since, you know, it was leaked that the NSA is spying on us.
	They now are saying, look, because of that spying, we've been foiling terror plots.
	Yeah, of course.
	And so...
	I believe them.
	That is their excuse.
	See, he's truthful here.
	That's the sad part.
	People who don't believe anything the government says, but I believe them.
	You know, we've heard about some of them.
	There's no problem with wanting to catch terrorists.
	Right.
	The problem is...
	When my rights as an American citizen are infringed upon because of your desire to find a freedom.
	Be safe, not get blown up.
	No, listen, we're talking about...
	People being blown up.
	Listen.
	Yes, but we're also talking about people having information they might use against people who don't deserve to be spied upon.
	The next time a World Trade Center thing goes off or a dirty bomb, God forbid, goes off in a city.
	The next time.
	Wow.
	We can't read your...
	How bad is this?
	And he just goes on and on and on.
	He thinks it's great.
	And then they bought into that 50 terror plots, bull crap, because we had a clip on the last show.
	People who didn't listen to the last show, they should listen to this clip, which was a caucus discussion in front of all the aides and some of the congressional aides, where the guy outlined the ones that were revealed, and they were all bogus.
	They have foiled nothing.
	Yeah, it goes on and on and on.
	I'll leave it in the show notes so you can listen to the whole clip.
	But he just keeps on going.
	If you want to say something private, don't say it on the phone.
	Don't say it on email.
	Yeah, let's just turn it into a Stassi-run operation.
	That's terrible.
	There's no excuse for that.
	This is what happens when you're a guy that has over $100 million in the bank.
	He's got half a billion dollars.
	I believe they gave him so much money.
	And he doesn't care anymore.
	He doesn't care about the people.
	The people who made him, man.
	Dude.
	We made you, dude.
	I'm WNEW, man.
	I'm K-Rock, man.
	Interesting job of slamming Ecuador, I've noticed.
	There's a couple of things I want to point out that I thought were...
	Another thing that was never asked by the media, but I thought was hilarious, that no one's ever brought this up.
	When Snowden was supposedly on the flight to, depending on who you talk to, Cuba or Venezuela from the Russian airport on seat 15 on an Aeroflot flight, you remember that?
	He wasn't on.
	No, this is all...
	No, wait, wait, wait.
	This is the part that no one's talking about, and I would like to see somebody even bring it up.
	Does anybody notice the hilarity of this whole thing because that plane was stuffed with reporters?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	And so here you are.
	You're a reporter.
	You found out about this because they publicized the flight number.
	You get a ticket.
	Now you're on a flight to Venezuela with nothing to do.
	And you've got to go turn back around the other way.
	This is just, to me, this is the funniest thing about this whole deal was all these boneheads.
	Oh, yeah.
	Where am I going?
	Oh, man, I'm going to be stuck in Venezuela or Cuba.
	What am I going to do in Cuba?
	I don't even have a hotel room.
	Yeah.
	That's what these guys do.
	They go there, they go get drunk and have sex with each other.
	Maybe.
	That could be.
	But they're already doing that.
	We have to remember, I got two clips about Ecuador and they're doing everything they can to defame the place.
	And they got these people with these crazy analysis that are crap.
	But I want to make sure that people remember, if you've read one of our seminal books that we push on this show, which is Confessions of an Economic Hitman, And we have at least one, if not a bunch of economic hitmen who listen to the show.
	The target of the government was going to be Ecuador.
	And...
	For various reasons, Ecuador managed to pull out of being used by the United States to be just exploited.
	And they're still trying to get money from Standard Oil for screwing up a part of their environment with a big oil spill they won't clean up.
	And the U.S. won't do anything about it.
	And the guy who wrote Confessions of an Economic Hitman...
	One wants to move to Ecuador.
	I think this is a great place.
	And a lot of people, you know, think it's a it's a fine place to live because you don't have a lot of these crazy influences.
	But they're doing everything they can on these TV shows to blast the crap out of Ecuador that make it sound like it's the world's worst place.
	And we just play these clips comments on Ecuador and then Ecuador 2.
	If Ecuador grants the past, should we stop handing them the cash?
	The U.S. shelling out more than $21 million this year to the Latin American nation, on top of another $11 million requested for next year.
	National Security Analyst Aaron Cohen said...
	I love this.
	The sound effects are off the hook on this show.
	They're going to have to use that on PBS. What are we flying through the screen when he's talking like this?
	Nothing.
	They just show a little gist of nothing.
	Okay, hold on.
	Cut them off if they cut this guy a break.
	That's what you do, Anne.
	Just cut them right off, right there.
	Yeah, I think we need to take a look at a couple of hard facts, Stuart, regarding Ecuador.
	I don't think many people are aware, but the fact is we don't even have an Ecuadorian ambassador in the U.S., and the reason why is because in April 2011, a secret classified cable was leaked by our then ambassador in Ecuador, which had significant proof and information that there was such an extreme amount of corruption in Ecuador, And so they ended up tossing him out.
	And so effectively he ended up tossing the ambassador here in the U.S. out to reciprocate it.
	So the fact is that we're giving millions and millions of dollars to this country right now who may potentially be harboring somebody who could have been responsible for one of the most massive intelligent leaks in the history of both private contracting and our It's an espionage world, which could affect the national security or the threat level for us on a very high macro level as it pertains to terrorism.
	So we've had trouble with these guys for a long time.
	Whoever that guy is, does he have a book out?
	He better have a book out.
	No, no, he's in some private operation.
	Oh, man.
	He's a total douche.
	He's just a stooge.
	I don't see that he had anything going on that would even research him.
	Hold on a second.
	We need to sound a little more important.
	I don't think we're doing it right.
	So I'm going to have you intro Ecuador 2, but I'm going to first set you up.
	So this is a No Agenda show.
	We have John C. Dvorak.
	John!
	What is your Ecuador clip?
	I don't know, but I've got it.
	Do we have that much leverage if we suggest we'll take away the cash, $21 million, if you give him asylum?
	Is that much leverage for people who are already hostile to us?
	It's a good question.
	I think that $20 million is a lot of leverage to a country that faces as much corruption as Ecuador does.
	You've got to remember that.
	$21 million, that's what an actor gets for a movie.
	This is not money.
	It's what Johnny This is not money.
	Ecuador is a country that is one of the largest countries involved with money laundering, which is a key element to terrorism.
	It's also one of the hubs for processing one of the chemical elements in cocaine, and they also allow those drugs to be able to...
	Be moved freely.
	And while they claim they want to clean up their country, the fact is that there's very little proof of that.
	And so I think taking away those funds will actually deliver a significant enough hit for those people, for that government to go, hey, wait a second here.
	Maybe we need to have a closer look at our policy regarding U.S. security interests, particularly with our spy business as it relates to terror.
	This is serious stuff.
	You're a national security analyst.
	In your opinion, is it likely?
	Stop.
	Stop, stop, stop, stop.
	This is what I'm going to try at the next dinner when I'm introduced to the professor, the performative linguistic professor.
	Yeah.
	And you say, what do you do?
	I'm a national security analyst.
	Yeah, I think I'm going to become one too.
	I think that's what we are.
	We are national security analysts.
	That Snowden has already given whatever information he can to China and Russia.
	I think that's a good question.
	I think that we have to assume that whatever information Snowden had on his little martyr escapade, which is really what this is right now, it's just a tension.
	Oh, I'm going to throw up.
	Yeah, this gets good.
	You've got to back it up so you can hear the whole thing.
	It's beautiful.
	Okay, all right.
	Escapade.
	Whatever information Snowden had on his little martyr escapade, which is really what this is right now.
	It's just attention-seeking, bizarre thing that's happening.
	I believe that we have to treat this particular case as if all of the information that he may have access to was leaked.
	All right.
	I brought up the other point, which is as if they don't have gotten spies.
	They got more stuff than Snowden ever dug up.
	Can I just say one thing?
	Say two things.
	How fantastic is Australia?
	What, that they finally got rid of the ginger?
	Apparently, I did not know this, that we have a system in Australia...
	Where it's like a poison pill.
	It's like, this one's no good.
	Get rid of this one.
	We'll put another one in place.
	Can you imagine if we had that here?
	Well, they have that in the UK, too, and in Canada.
	It's the same system.
	And yeah, you can oust these people at a drop of a hat.
	I love that system.
	Oh, come on.
	It's great.
	Well, it has its problems, too.
	She got in and she was stuck in there for a long time.
	She should have been out for a long time.
	Some of these people are in there for decades.
	Of course it has its problems.
	The main problem being the Queen has to approve it.
	The Queen of England.
	Yes, it's okay.
	I approve.
	That's the real problem.
	But it's just theater.
	By the way, I want to go back to that clip where the guy says, oh, they had chemical elements.
	Chemical elements in the processing of the cocaine.
	What is that?
	Alcohol?
	Chemical elements.
	Is that pneumonia?
	What is it?
	Pneumonia?
	No.
	You make coke with other stuff, don't you?
	No!
	Yeah.
	Well, it's coca leaves.
	You extract the coca leaves.
	You don't...
	Don't you mix it?
	Let's stop.
	Ecuador and Peru both are cocaine legalized.
	Cocaine's legal, but nobody uses it.
	They use these leaves constantly because they're high-altitude countries, and so people are chewing on these leaves constantly.
	It's a great product, and they're not part of the cartels or anything else.
	This is It's a great product?
	Did you just say that?
	I've used it.
	Cocaine?
	No, no.
	The Leeds.
	Oh, okay.
	And what have you used that in?
	I used it when I was in the Andes and I was floating around.
	And if you don't have this stuff, my favorite example.
	Okay, so there's the old men up there.
	Hold on.
	Please indulge me for a moment.
	I want everyone to get a little visual.
	Close your eyes.
	John is roaming around in the Andes.
	Okay.
	Exactly.
	So here I am, and so I'm up in this, I think we're at 14.5 or some altitude.
	By yourself, or were you with Sherpas?
	No, I was with a group.
	A bunch of people were going to visit some little village.
	Did you have a Sherpa?
	The Sherpas are in a different part of the world.
	Anyway, so there's these old guys.
	I knew about the coca leaf trick.
	Yeah, you chew it for altitude sickness.
	Well, and energy, because there's no oxygen in them.
	Yeah, no kidding!
	You don't get a buzz from it.
	This whole thing is bogus.
	I'm very productive.
	For one thing, they have the coca tea, you drink a bunch of that, and then you get the coca leave, and you put the coca, and the old guy showed me how to do it, you know, and I'm like the only guy, I'm like, oh, I'm the only guy in this group that's chewing this stuff because the other Americans are, oh, it's illegal.
	And so I'm thinking, Grace, where are the Andes, for God's sake?
	They're like, oh, wait, wait, was this group from Berkeley?
	No, there were just a bunch of guys from around the country.
	But whatever the case is, none of them but myself and maybe one other guy would chew these leaves.
	And I'm like the oldest guy by 20 years because they're all a bunch of millennials or ex-geners or whatever.
	So I'm wandering around and it's very hard to walk.
	Alright, stop.
	First of all, you know you've told us this story before, right?
	Oh yeah, twice.
	But I would like you to add a new twist.
	Who were these guys?
	I don't remember.
	Oh, bull crap you don't remember.
	I don't.
	What group were you with?
	You know that they were Gen Xers.
	So who were these people?
	You need to give us new information.
	Yeah, it was a group we were brought up by the...
	Just be honest for once.
	I'm always honest.
	I'm just trying to think what the group was called at the time.
	It was Roberto Milk and a bunch of his compatriots who run an import-export operation that invited a group of us to go visit one of the...
	Import-export, eh?
	Roberto Milk?
	In fact, I think it was bought by National Geographic.
	It's called Novica.
	He's Roberto Milk from Novica?
	Yeah, Novica.
	A mission-driven company that works with artisans around...
	Are you an artisan?
	No, I was brought to meet some of these artisans.
	I was part of a group.
	What is an artisan?
	They're guys who make pots.
	Let me finish the story.
	I want to be an artisan.
	I don't want to be an analyst anymore.
	All right, finish your story.
	I don't know if you have any skills.
	So you're a better analyst.
	So anyway, meanwhile, there's very few of us that are chewing on it.
	But I'm chewing on it.
	It's fine.
	We're wandering around.
	We visited some places.
	And then we have to come down.
	We have to walk up a hill and down a hill to get back to the bus.
	And I am walking past these kids who are 20 years younger than me, and they're bent over trying to catch their breath.
	And it was like, and I just breezed right by them and go get in the bus and wait for them to finally drag their sorry asses to the bus because they're pooped.
	Because they can't, they wouldn't, oh, we can't, it's illegal.
	It's like, I'm just saying, what is wrong with you people?
	And it's still a good story.
	And did you go, hey girls, as you walk by?
	Why do you think this story is so funny?
	I think it's pathetic because you have a situation where you have a very positive product and the coca leaf tea is a great product.
	And it's like it's thought of as cocaine, which is a bull crap.
	Okay, let me explain why it's funny.
	So your story's never tied.
	It's like my Uncle Don.
	I've heard him tell the Shitabajo story ten times, and it's funny every single time.
	And when you tell the story, it's the combination of you painting the picture and the chatroom's comments that really bring it to life.
	Screw the chatroom.
	I like it.
	I'm sad I wasn't there.
	You would have loved it.
	It's great.
	I would have been like, drugs?
	Hand it over.
	Let's do it.
	JCD, we're hot.
	They serve coca-leaf tea in the airport lounge.
	I know.
	I know.
	You are debunking great myths.
	I like it.
	I just like that these idiot Gen Xers are like, oh man, that's coke.
	I can't have that.
	That's funny.
	When they saw you doing it, didn't someone go, wait a minute.
	No, there's an old Berkeley hippie.
	I don't know what they're thinking.
	Alright, so where's Berkeley people?
	Anyway.
	Artisans.
	I'm an entertainment artisan.
	Well, I like that.
	I like your stories.
	I really do.
	I'm not telling that story again ever.
	Oh, please.
	I'll make sure you bring it up.
	So anyway, there's a couple of things I wanted to mention in the second half of the show before we get to the spinning mummy.
	Whoa, hold on a second.
	You can't just go to second half without the official...
	Attending all human resources.
	No entry.
	Second half of show.
	So talking about my anecdotes, have I ever mentioned the story where I worked with Dianne Feinstein?
	No!
	The douchebag of California?
	Yeah, also Barbara Boxer, both of them.
	They were both on the Air Pollution District Board of Directors and did a bunch of things for them, and the Hearing Board, I believe.
	And I've always thought that the two things were noteworthy.
	One is that, and this is like a long time ago, but Barbara Boxer was always trying to pick up the air pollution inspectors.
	You mean for like sex?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Whoa, really?
	Barbara Boxer?
	Yeah.
	Is she still hot?
	Take a look at her.
	I mean, she looks like, you know, the type.
	But anyway, the better story, doesn't she?
	Imagine her 20 years younger.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Yeah.
	Oh, she looks totally slutty.
	Yeah.
	You're so right.
	Is she married?
	I don't know.
	I don't follow her career.
	Can I just say something?
	What?
	Were you married at the time?
	I never would drive her home because I was warned.
	Because these guys didn't like it.
	She was very pushy.
	But 20 years ago?
	Come on.
	I would have done her.
	Well, you probably would have.
	Yeah.
	So anyway, so here's the story.
	The better story is the Dianne Feinstein story.
	So we have a...
	It was actually longer than 20 years ago.
	She was really young.
	So we have the dispatch room, which also is the file room.
	And so there's a couple of women dispatchers in the file room.
	And it's got no windows.
	It's in the middle of the place.
	It's horrible.
	So they decided, the women decided they're going to keep the back door open so they get some sunlight in there and it's a nicer place.
	Once they opened the back door and left it open, inspectors would commonly go into the file part of this operation and steal files.
	They'd just take them because then they wouldn't check them out because it was what's the...
	Pain in the ass.
	Pain in the ass.
	Oh, right.
	Pain in the ass.
	I'll bring it back later.
	So the women working in the dispatch office because they were responsible for all these missing files, they put a chain across the door.
	They bolted a chain to keep guys coming in and out, but they kept the door open.
	Feinstein, with all her wisdom, she comes rolling in and she sees the chain and she sees the women and she makes a big stink saying, why are they chaining the door to lock these women in place?
	It's disgusting.
	It's sexist.
	Right.
	And no one would, they tried to explain to her that this was, no, this was to keep the inspectors from coming in and out and casually grabbing files, which was a huge problem.
	But no, she would have none of it.
	The chain had to be removed.
	And so when they moved, they had to close the door.
	So they locked these girls back up into this dark room.
	And this is the kind of idiot that she is.
	So you have to always assume she's a dummy.
	And the point I'm going to make here, here's her idiotic suppositions about Snowden.
	Let's play that first.
	Okay.
	I was so into the story.
	I had actually thought that China would see this as an opportunity to improve relations and extradite them to the United States.
	China...
	He clearly had a role in this, in my view.
	I don't think this was just Hong Kong without Chinese acquiescence.
	I think his choice of Moscow was interesting.
	I think what's interesting is that he was taken off in a car and his luggage in a separate car.
	I think it'll be very interesting to see what Moscow does with him.
	Thirdly, he clearly was aided and abetted, possibly by the WikiLeaks organization.
	I heard a rumor that he was traveling with someone, and so this had to have been all pre-planned.
	Wow.
	There's not a single fact in there.
	Not a single fact.
	It's all bullshit, whatever she heard.
	She's the head of the Intelligence Committee for the Senate, so she gets to hear everything.
	And the other guy, who's also a stooge, which is Mike Rogers, is the head of the Intelligence Committee for the House.
	And both of these people, Mike Rogers in particular, I believe actually think they're spies.
	They have all this...
	Information that the rest of Congress does not have, and they're essentially working for the agencies that they're supposed to be doing oversight on.
	And this is explained in a clip called Capture Theory that public administrators know about.
	And if you play the Capture Theory clip, you can see what's happening here and why these people are essentially useless in these jobs.
	The court has pretty limited discretion in denying that order.
	And also, more generally, there's a concept in public choice theory called regulatory capture.
	The idea here is that a regulatory agency that works very closely with a particular regulated industry will often get captured by that industry.
	In effect, the regulation will become...
	I'm not a way of checking the industry, but a form of serving its interests, because that's who the regulators are spending most of their time talking to.
	I think there's a lot of evidence to suggest that something similar may have happened with the FISA court, which again is meeting in secret with one side, kind of, you know, continuously.
	Tidbit of evidence here, right, is that we know initially the kind of bulk metadata surveillance that we've seen disclosed in these orders was done just according to presidential directive without court order.
	And so you ask, well, why, if the court can do this, and this is all legal under the Patriot Act, would you not just have gone that route from the beginning?
	The answer seems to be pretty clearly no one, in fact, thought initially that the Patriot Act had authorized this kind of bulk collection, broad as it was, but once that was underway and had been going on for a while, the court was able to be sort of brought around into signing off on that, even though no one had initially imagined it was something that was within their power to authorize.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, really?
	So he...
	It brings up this capture theory, which I thought explains to me at least why when you hear Mike Rogers or you hear Feinstein, the head of these committees, these intelligence oversight committees, they don't talk like anyone who's doing oversight.
	They literally lord it over everybody else, Rogers in particular, and they think they're working for the CIA. They think they're, oh, I'm a spy.
	I know all this cool stuff.
	And Rogers is the worst example of this.
	And his other buddy, the other guy that's on the committee, and they come out and they lord it over everybody.
	We know what's going on.
	We've heard this stuff behind closed doors.
	Take our word for it.
	And they have been captured.
	By the intelligence community, they should all be fired from the intelligence oversight committees and they should put new people in who are not captured and at least do some real oversight.
	This is terrible.
	Yeah, like us.
	Yeah, we should do it.
	We'd be great.
	But Feinstein's a perfect example.
	Everything she said in that little gossipy thing was somebody told her in secret and she's kind of revealing some of it.
	You know, the two cars and all the rest of it.
	Who would know this?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Anyway, I find these people to be disgusting.
	Abhorrent, I think, is the word you're looking for.
	I was going to say that.
	I think the word abhorrent is a good word and valid in this case.
	I need to switch some gears now, and I would like you to acknowledge the fact that I have been very good at not starting off every sentence with so.
	You've been great at it.
	You should acknowledge that I was about to say amazing once in the show and I said astounding.
	Yes, but you also have been saying so quite a bit.
	It's on my secondary list.
	I try this in my daily life.
	It's extremely difficult.
	It is.
	Ring the bell if you hear me sing.
	Oh, please.
	It's called No Agenda, not the bell show.
	Quick move over to Europe.
	I just need to get some international news in here, and then maybe, if you're interested, we can talk about some local Texas news.
	In Euroland, a couple things going on.
	First of all, the Germans are now saying, well, you know, according to the ESM, which is this European Stability Mechanism, which I was all on for months and months and months, and then they passed it two years early, They expect any bank bailout in Germany will also require at least an 8% tax on anyone who has their money in the German bank.
	What?
	Yeah, I think this is quite astounding news.
	Wow.
	Yeah, and so they're really making a big deal out of this.
	Who's they?
	The Bundeskanzliere.
	Bank bailout.
	Germany requires compulsory levy of 8%.
	And this is being discussed at the Bundesbank, but it turns out it's all part of the ESM, which is kind of what we were saying, and this was rushed through, and everyone was like, oh yeah, great, great, great, it'll save everything, but it's coming out of the slaves' very own pockets, and so I think we can expect...
	I think we can expect to see this happen very soon, since they are talking about it more and more.
	Along with that comes a set-up interview, very funny, Haiku Herman, the outgoing president of the United States of Europe.
	And Haiku Herman, this is when he was at the G8, and he had a camera crew with a blonde who was asking fake questions by fake citizens of Europe, only for him to tell you exactly what's going to happen.
	Now, they've been talking about this tax avoidance, that people are stealing from their fellow European citizens by not paying tax.
	In this particular one-minute interview where Haiku Herman answers the question, he's really telling you that the European government in Brussels is going to know everything about your money, where it comes from, and this is about total control of you as an individual.
	Hello, Europe.
	Mr.
	President, we have a question from Johan, who is asking, how does the EU plan to tackle tax fraud and tax havens?
	Sounds like a question Johan would ask, doesn't it, John?
	Of all the questions I could ask the President of Europe, that would be, hey, how are you going to tackle that?
	First and foremost, this is a national competence.
	And we see big difference inside the union on the results of the fight against tax fraud and tax avoidance.
	When you compare the so-called black markets, you see...
	A huge divergence in the Union.
	Some have highly developed black economies, or parts of the economy are black, and others haven't that at all, or mostly, not nearly at all.
	So the effectiveness of tax authorities is absolutely key, and to strengthen tax authorities, to make them more effective, to strengthen also the legislation, is absolutely key in the fight against tax fraud and tax avoidance.
	Now, at the union level, there we decided on automatic exchange of information.
	On savings first, and that we are already working on this automatic exchange since 2005.
	And now we are broadening the scope to all kinds of incomes, also incomes of employment, for instance, capital gains, royalties, dividends, and hopefully we will have that kind of automatic exchange of information starting from 2015.
	So we are not touching upon the tax levels.
	It's not an exercise in tax harmonization.
	It is the automatic exchange of information between the countries.
	And, of course, the removal of cash from the equation, because that's how you get the black markets, as he was saying.
	This is a total clampdown on Europe.
	Total.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, you know, the thing is that the solution to tax fraud, which is illegal, and tax avoidance, which really isn't, is simple.
	And I don't understand why they go through all this trouble when they can solve the problem quite quickly and quite easily.
	By killing everybody?
	Wealth tax.
	Wealth tax, yeah.
	Yeah, that's it, baby.
	That's the ticket.
	Wealth, that's what they do in Switzerland.
	Wealth tax.
	You tax the wealth.
	You don't tax the income.
	Income is crazy to tax.
	People are trying to get wealthy so they can be taxed.
	But it's like the 8% across the board.
	That's no good.
	It should be a wealth tax.
	It should be your total wealth should be taxed a certain amount, not that much.
	And until you make a couple million dollars a year, your taxes will actually go down.
	And they're super wealthy.
	They're just sitting on their money.
	Are you just going to keep saying this until you're dead?
	Until I'm dead, until we're all dead?
	Because it's never going to happen.
	They're not going to do this.
	They want to steal your money.
	They're not interested in fairness.
	There is that.
	You're listening to all this cool stuff.
	You've got a lot of good clips today, I have to say.
	Well, I have a little more.
	Well, I want to just take a break here and show you the unfortunate situation that I was in because I ended up picking up some clips that are just dreadful, horrible.
	Let's not play them.
	You have to play them so you know what agony I've gone through.
	No.
	Come on.
	Not the spinning mummy.
	No, that's later.
	The classic Fox.
	Later.
	The classic Fox name-calling clip.
	This is what you listen to on Fox.
	You are judicially challenged and you're one of the stooges of the left that will always be there to excuse away criminal behavior.
	You suffer from Bob Beckelitis, which is an incurable, fatal condition of liberalism that has caused people like Eric Holder to be the consulary for President Barack Hussein Obama.
	Sign the petition, Tamara, to call for the resignation of the chief law enforcement officer of this nation because he lied on her oath when he criminalized journalism and you know he did it, but you refuse to do what's right.
	But I really hope that when you speak to a judge, you don't point your finger in the person's face the entire time by making your point.
	Are you a judge?
	Because your finger does not...
	Whose finger is in my face right now?
	Mine, because I'm telling you to shut up.
	But anyway...
	I mean, you shut up, know your role, and shut your mouth.
	My role is a woman.
	Never mind.
	What, are you going to cry?
	No, I'm not going to cry.
	Are you not going to cry?
	Shake hands and make friends.
	I don't shake hands to trolls.
	No, no.
	Main calling takes the place of reason.
	You started it.
	You began it.
	Don't you look at me like that.
	You compared me to Bob Beckle.
	I think you're taking lessons from Michelle Malkin on how to call people late.
	Alright, alright.
	Okay, don't ever do that to me again.
	And I am putting my finger in your face.
	Don't ever make me listen to that again.
	That is just a whole minute and three seconds of my life wasted.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We've heard that bit before.
	I know.
	I know.
	I try.
	Come on.
	This is the kind of thing.
	This is Fox.
	These guys are beside themselves because they have to go after Snowden.
	Let me deconstruct something for you.
	I'm so done with Snowden.
	I'm so done with...
	Look, bottom line.
	The government is spying on your ass.
	You're a slave.
	Shut up.
	Now, let's just laugh about some other things.
	I can tell you're very, very annoyed by this total lack of information.
	You grew up in...
	By the coverage.
	The coverage.
	You grew up in a different era with different type of newsmen, because I think it was all men at the time, and you're very annoyed by this lack of coverage, but you can't make up for it.
	I can make up for it with this clip to show you how clamped down this is.
	And by the way, the clip you're going to listen to, this item, this product, ShotSpotter, this product was in Boston when all the craziness was coming about.
	Nobody ever said, can we look at the ShotSpotter data?
	because we could have solved some very interesting, answered some very interesting questions about these two guys running around.
	Every day, gun violence is taking a massive emotional and economic toll on communities all over the world.
	Public safety agencies are doing their best, but resources are shrinking.
	In some communities, fewer than 25% of gunshot incidents are reported.
	These communities aren't just under threat.
	They're losing hope.
	It's time to fight back with a proven force multiplier that's operationally effective and cost effective.
	It's time to fight back with ShotSpotter.
	ShotSpotter is the critical solution agencies need to pinpoint every gunfire incident, even when no one calls, to respond safely and quickly, and to create real deterrence against illegal gunfire.
	ShotSpotter is the critical first step in stopping gun violence.
	ShotSpotter enhances every aspect of law enforcement operations providing unprecedented situational awareness for faster and safer response.
	They should.
	You can play the whole thing or not, but the point is that, unbeknownst to most people, this system is in almost every major city.
	It's in Oakland, it's in San Francisco, it's all over the place.
	Okay, I need to ask you a question.
	One of my military contacts sent me a link about this particular product, and the link was directly to the page about all the cities that this is in.
	Where did you get this from, and why?
	Because I think there's something, someone's trying to communicate something to me, and I looked at this, I saw this, I saw this commercial, and I'm like, okay, why is my contact?
	I don't know.
	All I know is that this would have, the Boston situation, the ShotSpotter data would have told us what was really going on with that bull crap that, that, that, Where did you find out about this product?
	Probably from the same guy who sent you the links.
	I went through all of them.
	I was fascinated by this thing because it's a little box.
	It's got a recorder or some sort of triangulation system for the whole city.
	It's been around for a long time.
	It also just basically listens to everything that's going on.
	It's not just for shots.
	I don't think you can pick up a guy talking.
	No.
	No, that's impossible.
	Sure.
	Mickey got a new iPhone because we got the upgrade from AT&T for being such a loyal customer.
	Yeah.
	So I went to the Apple store.
	That's why we're also the genius.
	Borrow this crap.
	And so now installed on your iPhone is a giant voice system.
	So the president can talk to your iPhone.
	What?
	Yes.
	So pre-installed, you get Amber Alerts and Emergency Alerts, and you can turn those off, but you can't turn off the presidential alerts.
	Yes.
	AT&T, and they're going to do it on all phones.
	Now the president can essentially press a button and talk to all of you on your phone.
	Wow.
	Yeah, take that shot, Spotter.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	This is a scandal.
	Please.
	Have you been following this Paula Deen thing?
	Because I certainly wasn't.
	Yeah, I was kind of offhandedly following it, but I don't care because she's just another celebrity chef on the Food Network.
	It seems like a lot of publicity for them.
	Ah, well, how interesting.
	Because that's what I thought.
	Until a very insistent producer was like, you've got to look at this thing, you've got to look at this thing.
	And what he basically was saying was, did you realize that the so-called, she used the N-word, which we can't use in America, so somewhere she said nigger.
	I love having a podcast because you can say that and not get fired.
	It's just a fucking word, people.
	In context, it's okay to say this.
	But she said this like 15 years ago.
	This is not like she's walking around the Food Network office going, hey nigga, get me this nigga!
	It's not like what happened.
	So why is she being railroaded?
	That was basically the question my producer put to me.
	Okay.
	And I'm like, okay.
	And so you go back and look, and she was in the news around February.
	Why was she in the news in February?
	Do you recall?
	Yeah.
	No, but you're going to tell me.
	She had type 2 diabetes.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	And then from that, she became the voice of Victoza.
	And Victoza is from Novartis.
	It is a diabetes drug.
	And she became, along with her sons, I think, she became the spokesperson for this drug.
	And you can see it at the voices of Victoza, and she's all over this thing, all over the place.
	And so I'm like, okay, that might be interesting.
	And then, here's the news from June 25th.
	Headline, Victoza in its crosshairs, Eli Lilly primes for marketing duel.
	As the dust settles from the American Diabetes Association meeting this week, a marketing battle is brewing.
	Data presented at the Big Confab suggested that Eli Lilly's experimental GLP-1 analog delaglitude is largely on par efficacy-wise with some of its would-be competition.
	There is a huge marketing war underway, and we know what these drugs are.
	Are you kidding me?
	Type 2 diabetes?
	We know that Lipitor, even out of patent, the revenues from Lipitor is $2 billion more than the entire music industry.
	One drug.
	So, type 2 diabetes.
	And then...
	I find this little gem from the Wall Street Journal.
	Lee Hawkins of the Wall Street Journal, the Food Network announcing that it will not be renewing the contract of Food Network star Paula Deen at the end of this month following Deen's recent admission in a court deposition that she's used racial epithets and told socially inappropriate jokes in her past.
	The question now is will Novu Nordisk, a pharmaceutical company that uses Deen to endorse its type 2 diabetes drug, be next?
	It doesn't look good for Deen.
	Novo Nordisk has put a lot of resources into corporate diversity and sponsoring events that bring diabetes testing and awareness to events that target African-Americans and other racial minorities who are disproportionately impacted by type 2 diabetes.
	It's obvious.
	If you want to kill your competition, take the spokesperson and you're going and your market is black people, African-Americans, then go after your spokesperson.
	She's a racist!
	So were you stunned by this revelation?
	I'm stunned that no one's put it together.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, as we've done on the entire show today, pointed out questions aren't asked, the conclusions aren't drawn, the obvious is ignored, and now you just bring another one.
	And then I'd like to finally wind up from my end.
	Oh, wait a minute.
	I just got one thing to say.
	I just want to finalize this.
	When we started podcasting, it truly is a revolutionary thing, even though it's not all that complicated, and these days it's getting so much easier.
	You can basically throw an mp3 file in an email.
	When this started in 2004, it took hours to download stuff.
	We had always on computing, but nothing was fast, and the world has changed so dramatically.
	There is a group of people I am convinced we are serving, that we are serving better than the entire mainstream publishing industry.
	And in particular, because we deliver this information for free.
	No charge.
	No commercials.
	No commercials.
	If you find that there's some value in the program, we'd love to receive something back.
	Money is very important because we have no other jobs.
	John, you seem to be getting increasingly less work.
	You're getting fired from every column you're writing.
	It is near.
	It's ageism.
	Yes, of course it's ageism.
	It's just an observation.
	But yes, so this is what we do.
	I have no other plans.
	Yeah, we'll try and put a podcast device together or some prepper SDR ham thing.
	But there's always something to do.
	But I think the days of, hey, I made a million bucks, that's over.
	That's not happening anymore.
	I will be doing this until I fall down.
	I'm pretty sure of it.
	I had no idea, but there is in Marrakesh right now a huge conference, a douchebag conference, the diplomatic conference to conclude a treaty to facilitate access to published works by visually impaired persons and persons with print disabilities.
	Stevie Wonder has come out with a little video.
	This has been going on for decades, decades to get this done.
	And what it is, it should be evident, but I'll let him talk for a second here.
	I spoke to Francis Curry, who gave me an update on your negotiations.
	I was pleased to hear that you're working very hard and that everyone is committed to leaving Marrakesh with an agreement.
	This is music to my ears, And you all know how much I love Mason Music.
	I promised Francis that I would come to Marrakesh for a special celebration if a Trudy that meets the expectations of the world's blind and visually impaired is concluded.
	Okay, so he goes on for a bit there, and of course at the end he always sings, signed, sealed, delivered, I'm yours.
	So Stevie Wonder is saying, if you guys get this deal together, I will come to Marrakesh and I'll do a free concert for you.
	I'll do whatever it takes.
	I'll blow you.
	And please, because what is happening is the publishers of the world refuse...
	Refuse to publish 90, according to the documents, more than 95% of all published works are not published in print-challenged, what do they call it, formats, because they're afraid that the gooky-eyed motherfuckers are going to steal their work, steal their copyrights.
	How sad is it?
	What?
	Is that what it says?
	It says gooky-eyed motherfuckers right here in the document.
	No, no, besides your profanity.
	Yes.
	But it says that they're afraid that it's going to be ripped off?
	Mindful of the challenges that are pre- Hold on a second.
	Let me get the logic straight because I want to ask a simple question.
	You don't have a version for the blind because if the blind get a version, which they can't – they're not buying anything now, so there's no money being lost in this deal – And if they start passing it around amongst themselves, the blind version, a braille version or a spoken word version, they're going to just pass it around themselves.
	They're going to steal it, but they're not buying it now.
	What are they stealing?
	It's the passing it around and the audio versions that these guys are so fearful of.
	So they are going to make official non-profit organizations who will be sanctioned, who will be able to make this material available.
	There has to be all kinds of DRM. They're so afraid that they can't sell more than one copy because these blind people, turns out they hang out in groups.
	These fuckers, can you believe them?
	They hang out in groups and they trade stuff amongst themselves.
	So how are we going to sell individual copies to all of them?
	We can't make enough money on them.
	That is exactly...
	I have the documents here.
	It blew my fucking mind, John.
	Apparently since you sound like a truck driver.
	It's the Tourettes.
	It's really the Tourettes.
	It just blew me...
	Away!
	And I've highlighted this document.
	You can look at it in the show notes under The War on the Blind.
	It was just appropriate.
	Right, yeah.
	And I was, actually, I have to be honest, I was looking at it like, is there an opportunity for us?
	Can we do like audio book versions of stuff and get a special deal?
	Can we do something?
	And then I'm like, what am I talking about?
	We do this service specifically for visually impaired, blind, gooky-eyed people.
	Hello, we love y'all.
	This is a fantastic service for them.
	What, are you talking about the No Agenda podcast?
	Yes!
	Yes!
	It's the best service.
	I mean, can you imagine where you finally get some history book?
	In Braille?
	Great!
	Yeah, that'll be factual.
	That'll be true.
	We're going to get the New York Times in Braille?
	Oh, I bet, yeah.
	How sad is it that our fellow human homo sapiens who cannot get true information in a topical, accessible manner?
	So I welcome you, and if you know anyone who was blind or print challenged or whatever all the politically correct words are, Let's turn them on to the No Agenda podcast.
	This is a huge market we can go after.
	I think we've already got a good piece of it.
	Oh, I'm sure we have some of it, but this needs to be shared because you're being screwed, people.
	There are a bunch of elitist pricks in Marrakesh.
	A nice little conference.
	Yeah, I got an idea.
	Let's do a conference in Marrakesh.
	Yeah, that'll keep the hoi polloi away.
	Right.
	Well, now that you mention this great service we're doing, I think it's about time we played the clip.
	The spinning mummy.
	The spinning mummy!
	What you're seeing has yet to be explained.
	This ancient Egyptian statue appears to be spinning on its own, as seen in time-lapse footage from the Manchester Museum.
	The nearly 4,000-year-old statue has been part of the museum's collection for 80 years and has never moved until recently.
	Ancient Egyptians believed this type of statuette could act as a vessel for spirits, but the exhibit's curator thinks even the ancient Egyptians would have been surprised by the strange occurrence.
	Some logical explanations could be vibrations from cars outside or foot traffic in the museum.
	But that doesn't explain why it moves in a perfect circle.
	Whatever the answer, the phenomenon is sure to draw more visitors to the exhibit.
	Really?
	This is shameless crap.
	I think it was on the BBC or something.
	Yes!
	It was a TV network.
	I had the same report from a different...
	Oh, it's crazy.
	I had the same one.
	I'm like, you've got to hear this because it's...
	And did you see...
	You saw the video, I take it, right?
	Oh, yeah, the little thing spinning around.
	No, no, but the video I had, I thought it was like six feet tall.
	And then they show that it's just like...
	Yeah, it's a little bitty thing.
	It's like eight inches tall.
	Right.
	Right.
	And it's spinning.
	And of course this is all bull crap.
	This is only done to get this poor museum some more customers because everyone wants to see this spinning mummy.
	Yeah.
	And so it's like, and it's such, it's shameless.
	Shameless.
	Yeah.
	And that passes for actual news and entertainment, people.
	That's what it is.
	Without question.
	Nobody said, well, why don't you put a guard on it?
	Why don't you have somebody standing there?
	Why don't you put a camera on it running, not time-lapse, but just have it running?
	Because, you know, obviously somebody's coming in there and they're moving it.
	They take another picture and they move it some more.
	It's so phony.
	And they play it straight and may have spirits in it.
	What kind of presentation is this to the public?
	This shameless plug for the museum, bogative story, it's disgusting.
	And both of us saw it.
	How horrible is that?
	What a reach.
	That means it was being played all over the place.
	So there is a public relations agency that was behind this.
	I have an idea.
	Yeah.
	So I don't think I can...
	Oops.
	Sorry, I did it.
	I don't know if I can, I don't think we have enough time for today to get into the big abortion bill debate here in Texas.
	No, we'll do it on the Sunday show.
	I also want you and everyone else to go look at something kind of interesting that was kind of revealed recently, that most of the work that's done for the NSA, the CIA, all the people that do the profiling, all the bad actors are kept track of.
	It's not being kept track of by any of these agencies.
	It's being kept, if you're a bad person, You're in the dossiers of the State Department, a special operation that's been around for years that nobody ever talks about, called the Bureau of Intelligence and Research.
	And it's the INR, Intelligence Research, managed by the Assistant Secretary Philip Goldberg.
	This is a major operation that is never discussed.
	Well, Bernstein and Woodward.
	We're done.
	What was the point of that?
	I just want people to get clued in because I'm going to look into this.
	Oh, okay.
	This is a tease.
	It's a tease for Sunday.
	It's a tease for Sunday.
	All right.
	Well, anyway, sorry about Nelson Mandela because he'll be dead by Sunday.
	We need a Deadpool on this.
	He's already dead.
	They just needed Obama to get there.
	He's dead.
	Obama's going to be by his side as he dies.
	How about that for an idea?
	Well, yes.
	Hello.
	That's how we started the whole show.
	As end of show...
	Okay, we don't even have time for an end of show clip.
	I wanted to play...
	We'll do all this on Sunday.
	You know what?
	You got to come back on Sunday.
	You really do.
	Because we...
	Let me get the music going there.
	Because we really got all kinds of groovy stuff for you.
	John's going to be working on the INR, which I had not heard of.
	We'll have more stories about chewing leaves with hookers in the Andes or whatever it was.
	And I would love to give you my analysis of Senate Bill 5 of the Texas legislature, which seemingly thousands of people were able to organize around stopping that.
	And all these other atrocities just go on and, oh, it's all good for your security.
	I don't know.
	I think we need to look at our priorities.
	I'd love to discuss that because no other news outfit can have a frank conversation.
	We can.
	Why?
	Because you support us.
	And that's the only way we stay on the air.
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