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524: Bono Douchebag

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	Hey man, we could have like 50 terror strikes a year every single week.
	We could be like dead from like people like blowing up the stock exchange.
	It'll crash our entire economy.
	There'll be no money coming out of the ATMs.
	We should be freaking out, man.
	We can't do this.
	Hey, what are you afraid of?
	Let's trade a little bit of our security for our liberty or whatever.
	I don't care.
	We can't do this.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Sunday, June 23rd, 2013.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 524.
	This is no agenda.
	Hello, howdy and howdy everybody from the Travis Heights High Dog Nostin-Tay House in the morning.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, the Mecca of Cheka.
	I'm John C. Porras.
	It's Crackbott and Buzzkill.
	In the morning.
	That's right.
	I forgot to say I'm in the capital of the Drone Star State.
	That would make your Mecca of Tecca come out better.
	Alright, here we are.
	No, actually, John, I'm here at Moscow Airport, where I'm here with many reporters and photographers.
	It's just wall-to-wall crazy, John.
	We're waiting for leaker Snowden to show up!
	Tell me what you've learned, Adam.
	Well, I'm learning that everyone knows he's going to be here, and we don't know.
	Glenn Greenwald will be calling in soon, who seems to be his PR person now.
	Are you sure they're going to be at the airport, not the train station?
	No, no, no.
	We have the graphics on screen.
	We have the little airplane flying from Hong Kong to Moscow, so therefore we know that he will be arriving here, John.
	This is like porn for these people.
	It's total TV news porn what's taking place now.
	So it's like, of course, I guess Snowden never read the confessions of an economic hitman concerning these little planes, but okay.
	Well, he's not taking a little plane.
	He's like on an aeroflot, like a commercial airline.
	Oh, it's an aeroflot.
	Yeah.
	And of course, WikiLeaks has to tweet his exact flight number.
	This thing is so transparent what's going on now.
	And so I retweet this Wikilinks thing.
	I'm like...
	Yeah, it's just sneaking him out of the country by telling the flight number.
	That's good work.
	Yeah, and then of course everyone's like, no man, this is good.
	They should do that because he's protected by being public now.
	It's what?
	Do people not realize that WikiLeaks is the CIA? John F. Kennedy.
	Oh, please.
	It's so crazy what is going on right now.
	I think such a perfect job is being done of sucking in the alternative thinking masses, which truly are masses.
	People no longer believe The news media, because the news media is now baiting them with, you know, little conspiracy nuggets.
	It's just like, here, take this.
	The conspiracy nuggets.
	Have a little conspiracy, little doggy treat here.
	I'll give this to you.
	Let them all fight over that.
	It's just, wow.
	I mean, wow.
	Wow.
	It's funny the way they've done that, too.
	They've got Alex Jones on the one hand for the people who have to go off the deep end and think they're going to die at any minute.
	Yeah.
	And then the spectrum goes all the way to, you know, bemoaning the conspiracy theory and everything in between.
	The people who don't know what a conspiracy is.
	Yep.
	It's just amazing.
	The spectrum of reality has been stretched to the limit.
	And even our own audience...
	Who I know listen to almost every single show and they forget.
	They've already forgotten.
	It's like, oh, the Snowden.
	I really think you have to reevaluate where he stands in this debate.
	It is not necessarily your hero or your villain.
	Let us remember that he came forward thanks to this documentary maker.
	Lenny Riefenstahl, who also, you know, did the highly stylized video of him, who has been doing all of these, you know, NSA-like exposure missions, who has received half a million dollars in fund money.
	You know, there's a lot going on here.
	And since the...
	Did you see this Wired article about Kaiser Alexander?
	No, what?
	Oh, my God!
	Ugh!
	No wonder they want to get the NSA is being exposed.
	These guys are out of control.
	How much power?
	This Kaiser Alexander?
	Now, this is from the Wired Threat Level blog, which we know is a direct pipeline from the CIA. I think that's, to most people, that's obvious.
	I'll just read a little bit of this.
	In fact, the title of the piece is The Secret War, Infiltration, Sabotage, Mayhem.
	For years, four-star general Keith Alexander has been building a secret army capable of launching devastating cyber attacks.
	Now it's ready to unleash hell.
	That's just the title of this piece.
	Inside Fort Meade, Maryland, top secret city bustles.
	Tens of thousands of people move through more than 50 buildings.
	The city has its own post office, fire department, police force.
	But as if designed by Kafka, it sits among a forest of trees surrounded by electrified fences and heavily armed guards, protected by anti-tank barriers, monitored by sensitive motion detectors, and watched by rotating cameras.
	To block any telltale electromagnetic signals from escaping the inner walls of the building are wrapped in protective copper shielding, and the one-way windows are embedded in it with a fine copper mesh.
	This is the undisputed domain of General Keith Alexander, a man few even in Washington would likely recognize.
	Never before has anyone in America's intelligence sphere come close to his degree of power.
	The number of people under his command, the expanse of his rule, the length of his reign, or the depth of his secrecy.
	A four-star army general, his authority extends across three domains.
	He is director of the world's largest intelligence service, the National Security Agency, chief of the Central Security Service, that's the CSS, John, the hitman, Are you kidding me?
	This guy owns us!
	It's no wonder they're trying to out his agency.
	This is all set up to get rid of this guy and out the secret, what should we call it?
	The SS. Yeah, well, literally.
	Or maybe the Gestapo.
	I don't know.
	And guess what showed up in the mail here yesterday, in the post?
	What?
	A CSS challenge coin.
	You have a CSS challenge coin?
	Yes!
	Holy crap!
	With no return address.
	Oh, man.
	Hey, whoever said that to Adam, get me one.
	And no note.
	It came to the house.
	Yeah, no note.
	Of course not.
	It came to the house.
	And so...
	So the CSS has its own challenge.
	You know, everybody does.
	What's his name?
	Oh, yeah.
	We saw the picture of...
	What's his name?
	Chuck Hagel.
	Chuck Hagel.
	Chuck Hagel's got a challenge coin just to his own.
	Yeah.
	And now there's this new guy doing the rounds.
	A whistleblower who's been around for six or seven years.
	I guess got no traction back in the day.
	This Russell Tice, have you seen him anywhere?
	I don't know.
	I have not seen him anywhere.
	Okay, so Russell Tice, he first caught my eye on MSNBC where they kind of don't really...
	He even says, you know, here's what I want to talk about, but they kind of shut him up a little bit.
	And then he showed up on a couple of podcasts, and that's what I really want to focus our attention on.
	But first, here is a quick minute of him, Russell Tice, former NSA employee.
	He's a whistleblower, and I have to believe that he is now being sent out by the agency to help uncover what Snowden had been sent to start.
	How far will that go to help squash some of the outrage or confusion that's out there?
	Well, I mean, there's a lot of disinformation going on.
	I've always said that the situation is much worse.
	At some point, I'd like to talk about that.
	In the pre-interview, they said, shut up.
	You're not going to talk about that.
	Boy, that's a great catch.
	That's almost the day that you caught that.
	They fall back to the next line of defense.
	We've seen the previous director of NSA, and I've seen this director.
	They're basically not telling the truth about what's going on, and they look at what's coming at them from Mr.
	Snowden's information and what's happened in the past, and they just fall back to the next line of defense.
	The situation is much worse than what's going on that we know.
	How much worse?
	Well, for instance, NSA today is collecting everything, including content of every digital communication in this country, both computer and phone, and that information is being stored indefinitely, and that's something that they're lying about.
	And that facility out there in Utah is online right now.
	And the fact that they have said that they do not do that, you're saying that that's just a flat-out lie?
	That's correct.
	They don't get much further with this guy there, but on the Boiling Frogs podcast, he shows up again, and again, I'm quite convinced that he's being sent, but the information that he gives us is just, wow.
	They went after, and I know this because I had my hands literally on the paperwork for these sort of things.
	They went after high-ranking military officers.
	They went after members of Congress, both Senate and the House, especially on the intelligence committees and on the...
	The Armed Services Committees and Judicial.
	But they went after other ones too.
	They went after lawyers and law firms.
	All kinds of, heaps of lawyers and law firms.
	They went after judges.
	One of the judges is now sitting on the Supreme Court that I had.
	His wiretap information in my hand.
	Two are former FISA court judges.
	They went after State Department officials.
	They went after people in the executive service that were part of the White House, their own people.
	They went after anti-war groups.
	They went after U.S. companies that do international business around the world.
	They went after U.S. banking firms and financial firms that do international business.
	They went after NGOs like the Red Cross and people like that that go overseas and do humanitarian work.
	They went after a few anti-war civil rights groups.
	So don't tell me that there's no abuse because I've had this stuff in my hand and looked at it.
	And in some cases, I literally was involved in the technology that was going after this stuff.
	And, you know, when I said to Overman, I said, my particular thing is high tech and what's going on, you know, is the other thing, which is the dragnet.
	The dragnet is what Mark Klein is talking about, the terrestrial dragnet.
	Well, my specialty is outer space.
	I deal with satellites and everything that goes in and out of space.
	I did my spying via space.
	Yeah!
	My favorite kinds of spying.
	Internet schminternet, bitches.
	Yeah.
	It's going through outer space.
	I'm liking this guy.
	Yeah, well, they sure drug him out of the woodwork.
	He used to be with the DIA, the Air Force Intelligence, and then the NSA. And I guess the NSA is the one that set him off.
	And so here's the kicker, is the person he spied on in 2004.
	Here's the big one.
	I haven't given you any names.
	This was in summer of 2004.
	One of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with a 40-some year old wannabe senator from Illinois.
	And, you know, I totally believe this.
	It makes so much sense because, yeah, you want to have the goods.
	You want to blackmail everybody.
	This is exactly what the FBI was initially set up to do or what the FBI became.
	Yeah, under Hoover.
	Yeah, under Hoover.
	And it transformed.
	And now the NSA, who really, honestly, until this probably, if you went on the street and you asked any American about the NSA, they'd be like, what is that?
	What?
	Never heard of it.
	So, before we go on too long, what does the NSA operation in Maryland need anti-tank barriers for?
	In case the CIA comes trying to rip them down.
	This is its own army inside the system, John.
	So, who has tanks in the United States except the National Guard?
	Yeah, so who are you afraid of?
	So, they're protecting themselves against the National Guard.
	Yes!
	Of course they are.
	This is so obvious to me now.
	And Snowden is just a little peon in the whole game.
	And everyone's afraid that this guy, he's got the goods on everybody.
	Kaiser Alexander.
	Heil!
	He's got the goods.
	He's got everyone's little dirty little secrets, because they all have them.
	Everyone has a dirty secret.
	He's spying from space.
	You don't need to send an email.
	Just...
	That's good stuff.
	Welcome to America.
	I think that we have to be viewing this from a very different angle.
	All this Snowden stuff is minor, minor distraction.
	Just minor.
	And Glenn Greenwald, I'm not sure what side he's on anymore.
	I mean, he has nothing better to do in his day than answer the phone from CNN and MSNBC and go on the air all the time.
	That's all he seems to do.
	This morning, with a nondescript, unimportant woman from CNN, Glenn Greenwald is smart enough to know that no one watches CNN. Seriously, no one watches CNN. And just some Jane Schmo anchor is grilling him like he's Snowden's manager.
	This is CNN Breaking News.
	Breaking News!
	Let's get back to our breaking news this morning.
	We know that admitted NSA leaker Edward Snowden has left Hong Kong, and reports say he's on his way to Russia right now, but that's not expected to be his final destination.
	Joining me now on the phone is Glenn Greenwald.
	He's the journalist who interviewed Snowden and broke the NSA story in the Guardian newspaper.
	Glenn, thanks for joining us.
	Thanks for having me.
	Thanks for having me.
	Have you noticed this?
	Greenwald is just answering anyone's call?
	Yeah, he's on all the time.
	Why is he doing this?
	Nothing comes of it.
	It's not like he reveals anything interesting.
	No, but why is he doing this?
	Is this for his own ego or something?
	Or what's the point?
	What is the point of him doing it?
	He should be working on the story.
	Well, I don't know.
	I think he's always wanted to be a higher profile writer.
	And I think he thinks he's making it this way.
	What he should have had.
	See, the kicker here, especially for CNN, is that he had a book out right now.
	He should be writing that book.
	He needs to be plugging that book.
	He should be taking any book and throwing a new cover on it.
	Oh yeah.
	Exactly.
	Here's my book.
	But Snowden, the story of Snowden, put that in the cover.
	Go, go, go.
	Do some e-books.
	Do a giblet.
	Something.
	Anything.
	No, it makes no sense why he's doing this.
	It makes no journalistic sense.
	Because I really never followed Greenwald.
	You followed him.
	You had him in high regard.
	Maybe you still do.
	I follow his tweets and I follow his writings in Salon.
	I always thought the guy had a really good perspective.
	He's a progressive.
	He's like a progressive libertarian, which there's plenty of them.
	In fact, I was thinking about this recently, and the only difference between the conservative libertarians, you know, the Ron Pauls and those types, and the progressive libertarians are essentially – if they ever can break through these two topics, there's just two topics separating these monstrous groups of progressives there's just two topics separating these monstrous groups of progressives and conservatives.
	And the two topics are abortion and global warming.
	Yeah.
	Those two are the barriers for these two guys.
	To be exactly the same.
	Exactly the same, getting together and changing everything.
	But they can't.
	These phony topics, and I would say both of them are phony.
	I think the global warming thing is a distraction, bullcrap, and I think the abortion argument has got nothing to do with politics.
	No.
	It shouldn't be in there.
	So these two things...
	It only has to do with politics.
	I think it's only about politics.
	But Greenwald, I'm surprised.
	Of course, you respect someone.
	I'm going to give this guy the benefit of the doubt.
	But I'm sorry.
	I cannot do that anymore.
	It makes no sense.
	Because he's a media whore?
	Yes.
	That's the only reason?
	No, that is the reason.
	And the whole setup with the stylized video.
	I mean, he didn't break it.
	The guy didn't go to him.
	The guy went to the video chick.
	Or she went to him.
	Actually, they also went to the Washington Post way early, and the Post wouldn't do anything with the story until Greenwald did.
	Right.
	So, this whole thing is a little...
	Greenwald.
	Greenwald.
	Greenwald, yeah.
	He...
	He was kind of the go-to guy to get some attention to the story, bring some attention to the story so they could blow it out.
	Well, did they give him like a bonus to keep doing it or something?
	I don't think they did give him anything.
	It's like, go do more.
	He's like, do I have to?
	He needs to get some little product out of there, you know?
	Yeah.
	No, because he...
	Do a long 30-page interview and make it into an e-book and sell it for five bucks.
	He makes some money.
	And here's the thing that gets me.
	Where was Glenn in 2008 when he was writing for Salon in 2008?
	He was covering this kind of stuff when Shia LaBeouf And I don't know if you saw this.
	This has been going around the YouTube, so I want to make sure we played it.
	Who was an actor, apparently, who I've never heard of.
	Was on the...
	Of course, I don't know these things.
	Was on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno.
	I've heard of him.
	Promoting the movie Eagle Eye, which I also don't remember.
	Have you seen this video?
	This clip?
	No, I don't think so.
	I remember we had an FBI consultant on the picture telling me that they can use your ADT security box microphone to get your stuff that's going on in your house.
	Or OnStar, they could shut your car down.
	And he told me that one in five phone calls that you make are recorded and logged.
	And I laughed at him, and then he played back a phone conversation I'd had two years prior to joining the picture.
	The FBI consultant.
	And it was like one of those phone calls that was like, you know, what are you wearing type of things.
	Really?
	Yes.
	It was mad weird.
	So, you mean they had a record of you from two years prior to me joining the picture?
	Even being associated with the movie.
	Well, that seems extremely creepy.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	All right.
	Well, let's...
	Wow.
	That's pretty amazing.
	It's pretty amazing.
	I'm trying to think of what the last four phone calls have been.
	Yeah, what a bang.
	So that was 2008.
	Yeah, bada bing.
	Laugh it off.
	Ha ha.
	Yeah.
	We knew about this all along.
	Yeah.
	So to me, it's been fascinating to watch how this is being played.
	There was, of course, this guy was a contractor.
	And I've had a couple contractors contact me and say, look, the only thing...
	The only way the administration really thinks is, you know, when you sign up as a contractor, you're essentially signing an NDA. From a legal standpoint, you're nailed.
	You're screwed.
	There's no oath.
	I didn't take no oath.
	Just signs a contract.
	You break the contract, we're going to throw your ass in jail.
	That's how they think.
	And so they had a contractor thing up on the hill, and they had...
	You know, the head of recruitment and everything.
	And I turned it off after this statement.
	That in terms of securing classified information, we just don't have an external problem.
	We have an internal one.
	Today, there are nearly five million individuals, five million individuals inside and outside of our government, who have been granted security clearances and access to our nation's most sensitive data.
	1.4 million hold a top-secret security clearance.
	Given the increasing amount of classified information produced and maintained by our government and the increasing number of folks with access to that information, we have a real problem on our hands if we can't get this right.
	Yeah, no shit, Sherlock.
	Five million people have clearance.
	Five million.
	And we're not one of them.
	Right.
	Which is good.
	Can you believe it?
	In that hearing, they also discussed the overall corruption, which they mentioned a number of times, in most of these agencies.
	And they discussed it openly.
	The Office of Personal Management is what they were talking about was corrupt.
	The NSA was corrupt.
	This was all brought out in this hearing.
	Instead, on television, we're watching little airplanes with red arrows of how Snowden is flying.
	It's like a holiday travel itinerary.
	Are you kidding me?
	So now they say that this may not be his final destination.
	The Russians got him out because he probably couldn't have gotten out on anything that didn't have a Russian logo on the side because no one's going to really take a chance with starting World War III. Well, there's a couple things that are not being discussed here in relationship to this.
	First of all, this happened on Thursday, where Russia essentially said, F you dollar, and did a $270 billion deal with China, which will be paid in rubles or shekels or euros or whatever, but it won't be dollars.
	Then the president comes back with a continuation of the national emergency on Russian fissile material, It's like, you can't ignore these things.
	It's like, oh yeah?
	Oh, well take that.
	I'm going to continue my national emergency.
	Because you got nukes.
	It's back and forth.
	It's back and forth.
	Oh yeah?
	Well, we'll take your Snowden guy.
	We'll take your Snowden guy right here.
	Yeah, he is.
	What are you going to do now?
	You can't ignore that stuff.
	So the right...
	No, there's a little funny battle.
	So the Snowman, of course, is just a pawn in the greater scheme of things, but they're going to have to get rid of him.
	So they're going to either...
	On an aeroflot plane...
	Well, I know how they're going to get rid of him.
	You think they're just going to push him out the door, which has always been my theory?
	Guess who's going to represent him?
	Let's fly over Greenland.
	Who's going to represent him?
	The name you sent me two weeks ago, before Snowden even came out, you sent me an email, and you said, this is a name we have to watch.
	And I'm like, who the hell is this?
	And I put it into my system.
	Baltazar Garzon.
	Yeah.
	He's going to represent him.
	Think so?
	No, this is already out.
	Well, see, I'm glad somebody's watching this guy.
	Because I lost track of him already two weeks later.
	So Baltazar, this guy is a gangster.
	He's a real gangster.
	And he's a CIA operative, so I have the feeling that he is going to be taken to some place where they can make him pop up whenever they need him to.
	Very similar.
	I don't think he's going to go kill Assange, although it's still a possibility.
	But Garzon, this guy, he's a made man.
	He's a total gangster.
	He's not in jail, so he's being protected.
	I would say CIA. NSA doesn't really have that.
	That's not really the racket they're in.
	They just like to send little notes.
	They send the CSS. Or coins.
	Let me get that coin.
	Hold on a second.
	Here it is.
	It's a beautiful coin.
	See if it pops open.
	It has a whole bunch.
	It has their whole...
	Their motto?
	Well, they don't have a motto.
	It's like, shut up or I'll shoot you.
	Well, they're part of NSA. They're the enforcement arm.
	And it's called the CSS what?
	Central Security Service, the CSS. CSS, which also means cascading style sheets.
	That's right.
	Interestingly enough.
	Yes.
	And it has, wait, I can't quite read it.
	The letters are too small.
	And old.
	I can't, yeah, no kidding.
	I can't read what's on there.
	It says, oh, that says United States.
	They sell for, that coin you're holding sells for $18.99 on eBay.
	So, for some reason, they've got the Coast Guard logo.
	Is this the one that's got the five-star on the back?
	Yeah, the five-star.
	Yeah.
	No, that's the front.
	I think that's the blood or the crypts, one of the two.
	One of them has five stars.
	Five-pointed star.
	It's the five-pointed star.
	Got to be careful.
	She has a tattoo with five-pointed star.
	That guy's trouble.
	But this is a five-pointed star.
	It has the key, the crypto key, and the torch.
	You got like a marine thing and a...
	No, Coast Guard.
	It says Coast Guard.
	And I've got a horse, a knight with a key in it.
	You have a horse?
	A knight.
	Top left.
	Oh, right, right.
	Yeah, top left.
	The knight with a little north star.
	This shit is like...
	This is the one you keep on you.
	Yeah, no kidding.
	It pulled over.
	It's like...
	Empty out your pockets.
	Empty out your pockets, Curry.
	Let me see your wallet.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I didn't mean to drop that.
	No.
	How awesome is this?
	Maybe we should put it in some water.
	Put it in some water.
	Yes, please.
	NWT Mint.
	Northwest Territorial Mint.
	Oh, well.
	I mean, you think that's screwy.
	So Miss Mickey, her green card shows up yesterday.
	This thing, now I wouldn't let her publish a picture of it because it's got numbers and all kinds of, like, you know, let's not do that.
	Yeah, well, I said if you want to do that, you have to black that out.
	On the back it has, so first of all, it says, to protect your card from being used remotely, please always carry it in the supplied envelope.
	Right, they've got a Faraday cage.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, because people will activate it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I know it's a problem.
	But the back of it is beautiful because it has this magnetic strip and it has...
	In the magnetic strip, her picture is in the magnetic strip, and down below, all of the president's heads, really minuscule, like smaller than pinheads.
	Yeah, it's maniacal is what it is.
	It's really maniacal.
	It's like, wow.
	Heil.
	Well, here's the challenge coin I want.
	The Hegel one.
	It's the Osama Bin Laden, Abbottabad, Pakistan, SEAL Team 6 Challenge coin.
	Wow, does that come with a one-way helicopter ride?
	No, but it's got a weird...
	You should actually look at this coin and try to tell me...
	Yeah, very funny.
	You should tell me what is the meaning of the background being two-thirds green.
	There's a ring around it, and the ring around the thing has got a background that's two-thirds green and one-third white.
	Yeah, I don't even want to talk about that coin.
	That's not a good coin to have.
	No, probably not.
	Really, it's not.
	Probably got a GPS device in it.
	Yeah, it's not a good thing.
	So this debate continues, and I think that the way I'm viewing it, just what I'm doing is I'm only looking at, okay, most people in the media are controlled by the CIA. This all came out with the Church Commission in the 70s.
	This is nothing new.
	We've discussed this many, many times.
	And the NSA... They're to be dealt with.
	Now, the CIA, they run a lot of the show as well, but we've now put Brennan in place, and we've taken some lawyer chick, and we've put her in number two, so Obama feels kind of safe.
	He's taking the drones away.
	Please, we can't have anyone having any drones in this fight.
	This is not a good idea.
	So he thinks he can control the military.
	And I'm on the president's side on all this, by the way.
	I think the guy is running scared and he's just pooping his pants and he's doing whatever he can and he wants to protect Snowden.
	We need to get Snowden in because we need to have him leak more.
	We need to control the guy.
	More information about the NSA, please, because the NSA, they've got their own fortress.
	With anti-tank stuff.
	That's hilarious.
	For what?
	For my tank?
	Probably have the area mined.
	Yeah.
	Who knows what's going on?
	So I'm just going to think that everything is pretty much a CIA operative.
	And so now we have on Sky News, I know you and I both saw this, Julian Assange.
	And Julian Assange is in the Ecuadorian embassy, we presume.
	He could be on the set of Another World, for all I know.
	And he's there with John Perry Barlow sitting on the couch hanging out.
	Are you kidding me?
	I was going to send Barlow a note saying, hey, sit up straight.
	Sit up straight, Barlow.
	You're not that old.
	And Barlow, it's so obvious that he's an operative for the CIA. That's right.
	I said it.
	Don't trust this EFF. Look, I didn't trust them from the day I reached out to them.
	They're like, oh, no, we're not interested.
	And Barlow is lying about that now.
	He tweeted me.
	I'm so sorry.
	That's the way you remember how it went.
	We didn't have the resources.
	Bullshit.
	You didn't even look at the case.
	Liar.
	CIA liar.
	Yeah, I mean, look, here's the problem.
	You know, personally, I actually do trust, to some large extent, the people who are running the NSA. Yeah, okay.
	What a tell there, huh?
	Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure you do, John.
	Many of whom I know.
	Uh-huh.
	And I trust the underlying faith of the Obama administration.
	Whoa!
	I trust the underlying faith of the Obama industry, is what he wanted to say.
	But then he said administration.
	What is the underlying faith?
	What does that mean?
	I think it's what you're kind of suggesting, which is that Obama's a good guy underneath it all.
	Although, by the way, I'm not buying any of this at this point, with Obama being the good guy.
	I think he's got co-opted, sold out.
	He's done.
	No, I'm not saying he's a good guy.
	I said I feel for him.
	He's running scared.
	He's not running anything.
	It's not even the same guy from four years ago.
	It's just the other guy.
	It's tag-teamed.
	It's like the Mexican wrestlers.
	So, yeah, but why would he compliment the NSA? Because I think we can say that there's a turf war between God knows what groups, but we can assume that the people involved in one way or another would be the FBI, the CIA, the DIA for sure, the NSA, the White House, and God knows who else.
	There may be other players, but there's something running amok, and I do believe that The Keith, I'm sorry, Kaiser Alexander, which is the better name for him, with his uniform on.
	I didn't realize he's still an active member of the military at the same time running.
	Does this guy get any sleep?
	John, he runs all this stuff.
	Listen, he has ships and airplanes and troops.
	He has actual, like a whole panzer division or whatever.
	I didn't know that.
	I didn't know the guy can order some ships around.
	It's pretty amazing, his power.
	Yeah!
	Well, that's totally out of control.
	Now, there was a couple of...
	Well, anyway, I have to go get my print out of my clips.
	Yeah, no, go get that, and I'll just play this 40 seconds of John Perry collaborateur Barlow.
	And I trust the underlying faith of the Obama administration to a greater extent than I think my colleague does.
	But the point is that they're...
	Colleague?
	Colleague?
	Assange is his colleague?
	I mean, does he understand how much he's giving away, this Barlow?
	He doesn't do a lot of media.
	I've always wondered about this guy, because as far as I know, the only thing we know him from is he wrote, like, a B-side on a Grateful Dead record.
	And that was like, oh, it's John Perry Bardo, he wrote for the Grateful Dead.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and what else has he done?
	How does he make his money?
	He's always hanging around.
	He's a great guy to hang out with, by the way.
	He is a raconteur.
	A raconteur?
	A raconteur.
	What is a raconteur?
	No, a raconteur.
	He's a raconteur.
	A raconteur, yes.
	And he is a poet, which I think is...
	Oh, right.
	But it's not that just being a poet is something that's to be...
	Well, you said it yourself that these poets are dangerous.
	Hello.
	Yeah.
	And he is one, and it's the funniest thing, what I like to hang out of, because he'll come up with these turns of phrases or some peculiar way of thinking about something.
	It's kind of like what we do on the show, only it's poetic.
	So he gets laid.
	Can I steal that?
	Yes, you can.
	So he gets laid with it, is what you're saying.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, hold on a second.
	Let's look at the CIA-controlled book of knowledge.
	Hold on a second.
	That should help.
	The book of knowledge.
	All right, let's see.
	American poet and essayist, retired Wyoming cattle rancher, and cyber-libertarian political activist.
	Who's been associated with both Democratic and Republican parties, also a former lyricist for the Grateful Dead and founding member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
	He's been a fellow at Harvard University's Berkman Center for Internet and Society and been identified by Time Magazine as one of the School of Rock's ten super smart musicians.
	Oh, I threw up in my mouth.
	Excuse me.
	Really?
	So how does he make money?
	On that EFF thing?
	Must be.
	Yeah, a cattle rancher.
	No, he's a retired cattle rancher.
	Yeah, he retired on all the wealth that he made from cattle ranching.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't know where he makes his money.
	And he does have...
	I do remember I was at some function, I think it was an EFF function in San Francisco, and Barlow went off on John Poindexter, who I think was working for the...
	Well, he was a former, obviously, you know, he was the head of...
	The National Security Council under Reagan, and he has a lot of connections in the industry, but I don't know why.
	I couldn't quite fathom what the point was.
	So I'm wondering, because you like to make the claim that he's like a CIA handler, and for Osange in this case.
	Yeah, a colleague.
	But do we know that?
	I mean, why can't he be an NSA guy?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Why can't he be a DIA guy?
	Which makes more sense to me.
	Well, that's possible.
	But he's sitting with Assange.
	He's with Assange, his colleague, Assange.
	And he's obviously there.
	I mean, is he drinking tea?
	Are they, like, strategizing about how to break him out?
	I mean, come on.
	Well, Barlow lives over here across the bay.
	When he gets back, I'm going to go have lunch with him and find out what he was doing.
	Yeah, and kick him in the nuts from me.
	Exactly.
	Say, hey, this is from Adam.
	I have two friends that seem to hate Barlow.
	Well, you don't hate him.
	No, I just think he's a liar.
	That's all.
	He lies to me.
	He's lied.
	So, done.
	That's all.
	And the other one is...
	Greg, Zachary Pascal used to write for the Wall Street Journal.
	He has some real issues with Barlow, and if the two of them are, and I've seen this, if the two of them are in the room together, it gets one inch away from becoming a fistfight.
	Well, more importantly, you just called me one of your friends, and that's appreciated.
	That's a first.
	You might want to retract that.
	Oh!
	Oh, poor Adam!
	My boat was just Poor Adam Let's get a jingle about this No, let's not.
	No, no, no.
	Let's not get a jingle about that.
	There'll be another thing that I wake up with in the middle of the night.
	All right.
	Can I play some?
	Yeah, play some.
	Let me play some.
	Let me play some.
	So here's the McLaughlin group again.
	And the McLaughlin Group is just part of the Stasi system meant to make us feel good about all this.
	It's all good.
	No matter who's doing the spying.
	And rehearsed.
	And rehearsed.
	And scripted.
	This is Mortimer.
	What's his name again?
	Zuckerman?
	Zuckerberg?
	Yeah, Mortimer Zuckerberg.
	Zuckerberg.
	The old grouch there.
	Mortimer Zuckerberg.
	Oh, no, you're talking about Buchanan.
	No, not Pat Buchanan.
	Mort.
	He's the old grouch.
	No, the other guy's a grouch, too.
	Yeah, Mort.
	Mort and Zuckerberg.
	Mort Zuckerberg, whatever.
	Of three who were expelled after 20 years or so, having served in that position that Snowden held.
	And they were innocent, and they are innocent, and their agreements are for Americans to read about.
	So we ought to hold off on judging Snowden.
	Do you agree with that?
	No, I do not.
	I do think what Snowden did is definitely detrimental to the security of this American country.
	And by that I mean if 50 terrorist attacks were in one form or another deterred or exposed, just think of what this country would be like if you had one major terrorist attack like you had in Boston every month in this country.
	You would change the whole tenor of life in this country.
	So it is absolutely critical for the government to put in enough security measures to block these.
	And that's what we're going to be facing.
	And it's going to be a very, very challenging time.
	But we must find a way to make sure that terrorist attacks do not become...
	You know, the regular fare of what this country is going to have to deal with.
	Whoa!
	Yes!
	What evidence does he have that this is becoming the regular fare of anything?
	Well, he has the 50 ways to block your terrorist.
	That's what he's basing it on.
	He said it right there.
	You know, there was 50.
	So, in the course of a year that we won every single week.
	This is how he extrapolates it.
	What is the capital of Ecuador?
	Is it Quito?
	It starts with a Q. Quisha?
	No.
	Yeah.
	No.
	No.
	What is it?
	Keto.
	It's Keto, I think.
	Uh, Keto.
	Keto.
	Yes, Keto.
	Keto.
	There you go.
	That's exactly what I said.
	All right.
	Yes, John, I'm here at the Kido International Airport where Snowden should be arriving any minute now from Moscow.
	Oh, it's okay.
	Is he coming with his gang of thugs to kill Assange?
	No, he's coming with a WikiLeaks representative.
	As you know, WikiLeaks is now a corporation.
	They have an entire PR arm and just fantastic.
	They go to the same meetings with Al-Qaeda.
	Yes, they do.
	In fact, they seem to share office space and like to hang out together at the Starbucks.
	So we're just awaiting his arrival here, John.
	You can see the arrows on the screen as his flight will be here shortly.
	I'll let you know if we are learning any more.
	Thank you, Adam.
	He's officially requested asylum in Ecuador.
	What did I predict?
	Yeah, no...
	Wow, gee.
	I just want to mention, because it's in the Red Book, because we caught it as an aside, if you remember, from some commentator who seemed a little sketchy, who just dropped the two names, Ecuador and Iceland.
	And Iceland just had a meeting about this, by the way.
	I don't know what came of it.
	But I think Ecuador has always been the target, because that's where Assange is going to end up.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	There's going to be a negotiation, and Assange and this guy are going to get together, and then...
	But he's still in...
	Heart attack.
	Yeah, heart attack, that's it.
	And that guy who sent you that note saying, no, there's no way, the guy's a loser.
	That guy's a plant.
	Who's going to send me a note?
	No, you already got the note.
	You read it about three shows ago.
	Some guy in JSOC. No, he didn't say he was a loser.
	He just said that he hadn't done any special training.
	He doesn't know that for a fact.
	Okay.
	He doesn't know the guy.
	He's just going on based on the news reports.
	Okay, okay.
	He could be this stealth assassin.
	We don't know who he is.
	Let's just back it up for a second and I'll be done with this topic because I don't know what else we can say.
	All I know is that WikiLeaks inserted itself into the process after the fact.
	Okay?
	So, this wasn't a WikiLeaks project.
	It wasn't leaked on WikiLeaks.
	It went to the same channels, the same way, because WikiLeaks, you know, there wasn't all this...
	Bradley Manning didn't send stuff to WikiLeaks that was published on the web.
	No, it was published in the New York Times, in Bilt, and in the Guardian before anything else.
	And it was all redacted, and they talked to the State Department.
	So, we deduced and concluded that it was...
	Clearly some form of psychological operation, i.e.
	CIA. This guy comes out of the woodwork through a dubious channel, at best, a paid-for channel, and the WikiLeaks is like, oh, yeah, we're tweeting about him.
	Yeah, we got a representative with him.
	Like, since WikiLeaks now has reps, coaches, like media coaches, what is this?
	I didn't just wake up yesterday and...
	Media coaches.
	Yeah.
	I mean, come on.
	What is Wikipedia now?
	I mean, the WikiLeaks.
	What is it now?
	Is it Assange?
	Is it a whole organization who's running it?
	Where's the office?
	Who takes care of this?
	Who's the liaison?
	Or just some guy puts on the WikiLeaks t-shirt and says, hey, I'm here.
	I'm here to take you.
	I mean, how does this work?
	Come on.
	There's a lot more going on.
	And for people to just accept this at face value and say, yeah, WikiLeaks is helping him out.
	No, no, no.
	Back up.
	So what do you think Barlow is doing there?
	I just found it peculiar.
	You're a news guy.
	We both worked in and around this business in news.
	And you're going to do an interview with the guy.
	This is Sky News where this showed up.
	And so Sky News is going to do an interview with Assange.
	So they started off with a two-shot interview.
	Now, when has this happened so far with any interview with Assange?
	No.
	Usually it's a piece of crap interview.
	You know, sometimes on Skype and sometimes, you know, with the camera.
	They obviously set up shop in the Ecuadorian embassy because that was a professional setup.
	It was well lit.
	It was well mic'd.
	It was a horrible shot.
	You were looking right in their crotch.
	It was the stupidest shot ever.
	I'm talking about the lighting and the mic.
	Well, I'll tell you...
	That's what I'm bitching about.
	What's the point of a two-shot with some guy that's got nothing to do with this sitting there?
	I believe it was to send a message.
	Yes.
	And the message...
	I don't know what my takeaway is...
	Hello, we're from the CIA. We're still supporting Assange.
	We're still supporting WikiLeaks.
	And we're supporting Snowden.
	So it could only be a message.
	I don't see any other reason.
	I agree.
	I don't know if that, what you surmise, is the exact message.
	I mean, it could also mean...
	Either that or Jerry Garcia is coming back.
	We've got this guy covered.
	We'll shoot him in a minute.
	It could be a million different messages.
	Your message, I think, is the idealistic one.
	It's a good message if it was true.
	But I'm not convinced that this is CIA. I don't know.
	But I agree 100%.
	There's no reason to do that shot...
	No, unless it's a message.
	Unless it's a message.
	It's the same thing with Clooney and the guy who's always hanging around him, the handler.
	Because it's just to let everyone know that Clooney's not gone off the rails.
	Pendergrass.
	To make sure that Clooney doesn't do anything dumb.
	Pendergrass.
	He's an actor, after all.
	Pendergrass.
	Pendergrass, that guy.
	Yeah.
	That guy.
	Right, so I think that, but the message is clear to everyone who needs to know it.
	You know, this is our guy.
	Right, it's like the number 33.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You know what it means.
	You know when it shows up, what it means to you at that moment.
	We don't know.
	Again, we're not in the loop.
	No, we're just guessing.
	That's what we do.
	But we're guessing in an intelligent way that I think the public needs to at least have some second thoughts about a lot of this stuff.
	And I think that these kinds of things, they stand out like sore thumbs.
	You do not do an interview with Julian Assange about Snowden with a third party sitting there.
	You just don't.
	No.
	No, no.
	It made no sense other than messaging.
	And Barlow's a great guy.
	He's very recognizable.
	And I think in the intelligence community, he says, I have lots of people I know at the NSA. Well, isn't that what better reason to sit him next to Assange and then say, I know people in the NSA. And yeah, Obama's okay, the underlying principle, so who's he working for?
	Well, I'd say CIA or maybe DIA. But CIA makes a lot more sense.
	From the WikiLeaks perspective.
	Maybe.
	Yeah, because your thesis is that the whole thing is a CIA operation.
	Well, it's not...
	At some level.
	I mean, I don't know if the people working there know that.
	Most people that work for a CIA operation don't find out until it's like, you know...
	Too late.
	Years later.
	Too late.
	They go, what?
	What?
	Until they read the book.
	They read the book and they find out there were stooges.
	I could have got paid a lot more money if I'd known what was going on.
	Yeah.
	Cheap bastards.
	Yeah.
	All right, well, so I was spending my time on a very interesting and entertaining hearing.
	Actually, it was a caucus.
	I'll tell you what.
	When I see one of these things on C-SPAN, I really pay attention because this is the real deal.
	This is the thing you really want to watch in its entirety.
	And this was a group was called the...
	The Congressional Internet Caucus Advisory Committee.
	The what?
	The what?
	The Congressional Internet Caucus Advisory Committee.
	These things...
	These are committees that...
	That talk in private generally to all the top aides of the congressmen and senators.
	Oh, okay.
	And so you look at the audience, it's all kids.
	Right.
	It's an old fart.
	Yeah, right.
	It's an old guy.
	Hey, I think that's the best work I can get.
	But it's mostly the young women who are ambitious and a lot of guys and policy wonks.
	The place is filled to the gills.
	When you get to see one of these advisory committees meet over a current event topic, these things are people hanging off the rafters.
	And this was on NSA data collection.
	And they had a number of people there.
	They had a guy from Cato.
	They had an ACLU woman who was a nervous wreck.
	They had the old privacy expert from the DHS, who's now a privacy attorney, who led the thing, Mary Ellen Callahan.
	And she was very, very interesting.
	Wow.
	And they discussed all the crap that was going on, and I want to play, just to give you a sense of this, and I can play a couple different clips, but the clip that got my real attention is the actual causes clip, which I have here, that discuss, besides an obvious FBI lie, they discuss, remember that, oh, the stock market, they're going to blow up the stock exchange.
	Yeah, this was the guy that they had again enticed, and they had a...
	It was even more interesting than that.
	This guy, the guy speaking is Julian Sanchez from Cato, who has this very East Coast kind of preppy, weird accent that is a little off-putting, but he's a classic Washington, D.C. style guy.
	And he's from Cato, which is a conservative think tank that doesn't really support any of this stuff, even though the conservatives in the Republican Party and all the talk show guys do.
	But Cato doesn't seem to.
	He explains all these cases that were brought out, including one that we never discussed.
	Essentially, the 50 cases that Kaiser Alexander brought up.
	Yeah, he says they're all bullshit.
	Yeah.
	They're all bullshit.
	And then when you start looking at exactly what that means, you say, well, how many of those was 215 actually used, specifically this metadata program?
	And it says, well, the majority, we believe.
	So, okay, six or seven.
	And then what are those cases?
	Well, the cases they described, one involved finding someone who had been donating money to Shabab, the Ethiopian terror group, and, of course, you know, absolutely find and prosecute those people.
	But that's not exactly a terror plot foiled, and it's not clear in that case why the same thing could not have been achieved using traditional tools like subpoenas and targeted pen registers and records orders.
	Najib Al-Azazi, who appears to have been identified through a link to a known terrorist email address already being monitored, Whatever use was made of 215 later, again, not clear why a more targeted use of that would not have been possible.
	There was this other case involving a supposed plot to bomb the New York Stock Exchange.
	Was it a serious plot?
	Deputy Director Sean Joyce for the FBI says, well, the jury thought it was serious because they were all convicted.
	As it turns out, there was no jury trial.
	They were not convicted of plotting terrorism.
	These were people who were convicted, again, of material support for a terrorist organization, meaning, again, assistance, money.
	And the New York Stock Exchange plot part of it appears to have involved the fact that the U.S. person involved in this case sort of scoped out several tourist targets, didn't provide very useful information, and it appears to have been abandoned.
	The U.S. attorney who worked that case said there was no specific plot.
	So I think we should treat with some skepticism.
	If these are the showpiece cases they're bringing up to justify the bulk collection of all Americans' phone and possibly Internet records, it's not clear that that is a justification that passes that cost-benefit test.
	This is a very important clip you've just shared with us, John, because with a $200 million a year budget, the world's news organization, CNN, was not able to put together what Kaiser Alexander was not able to put together what Kaiser Alexander said and the facts as they are presented here to say, to present to the world that maybe there's some bull crap going on here.
	Yeah, I know.
	When I heard that clip, I said, I've never heard this anywhere.
	I'm listening to it in this caucus, or this committee, and it's like, how hard is it to just take that down word for a while?
	In fact, I may turn it into a column just by quoting that guy.
	Oh, well, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	You will not.
	You are not going to write any column like that.
	First of all, you can put it in the book right now.
	You write that column, it will not get published.
	Eh.
	Guarantee it.
	Oh, yeah.
	Guarantee it.
	Guarantee it.
	It will not get published.
	It'll be something like, oh, I'm sorry.
	Oh, you know, the iPhone 5S is coming out.
	We had to make space.
	We didn't have room for your column this week.
	I know it's the internet, but we didn't really have space for it.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, I can guarantee it.
	And I don't want you doing that because that puts our whole operation in jeopardy.
	You can't put that on a legit new site.
	I will bring it up to a legit...
	Market Watch?
	You can't do that.
	I don't wait for Market Watch anymore.
	They already got rid of me.
	Oh, really?
	Thanks to this show, no doubt.
	Oh, no, man.
	So now we have another clip.
	Let's go to Callahan.
	Good clip.
	Good clip, by the way.
	Good clip.
	It's a great clip.
	Good clip.
	No, no, it could be.
	I could give you that posthumously.
	No, no.
	It happens when it happens.
	I just wanted to say that all of these clips are available in the show notes.
	It'll be 524.nashownotes.com.
	You go to Clips and Stuff.
	And there you can find JCD. And in his little folder there, you'll have all of his clips.
	And so when you are, you can even load it on your phone.
	And then when someone says, Hey, man, we can have like 50 terror strikes a year every single week.
	We can be like dead from like people like blowing up the stock exchange.
	It'll crash our entire economy.
	There'll be no money coming out of the ATMs.
	We'll be freaking out, man.
	We can't do this.
	Hey, what are you afraid of?
	Let's trade a little bit of our security for our liberty or whatever.
	I don't care.
	We can't do this.
	That is the opening clip for the show.
	One hour?
	Hold on a second.
	How did we get to an hour?
	Can we stop your clips and thank some producers so we can just...
	Or do you want to finish...
	We better thank some producers.
	And in fact, this is how you do it.
	You do the great opening tease.
	Everyone's all hot and horny for the show.
	Boom!
	Bring in the people who pay for the show.
	Yeah.
	In fact, I do have the spreadsheet loaded.
	We do have a number of executive producers today.
	I want to thank them all.
	We have...
	Where's the one at the top?
	And by the way, hello, this is great value for value.
	We just gave you something that not a single news organization has done.
	And we've put it together for you right here.
	You can take this information and say, it's bullshit.
	It's simply not true.
	The Kaiser wear no clothes.
	Yeah, no, the thing about those 50, oh, the 50, the big 50, you know, it just was, you know, I'm really glad that this guy, this Cato guy, gave us the real outline.
	In fact, one of them, the first one about the guy just sending some money overseas, and that's a big terrorist plot.
	Yeah, like I did.
	Remember, like I did, sent some money to my daughter, got rejected because of, oh, terrorists, you use foreign language.
	Right.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's very funny, by the way.
	All right, we have a number of executive producers to thank.
	We had a call out for some extra ones.
	They all get credit for today and July the 4th.
	Gary Blatt, 524, member of the 524 Club now.
	Nice.
	ITM, figured I would have been a donor long enough and time to be a donor.
	Never mind.
	I'd like some karma for my wife who's getting ready to write her first solo book.
	Oh.
	Oh, lovely.
	Let me hand you that.
	Great.
	Send a copy with pictures.
	We've got karma.
	Nice.
	Gary Blatt, Wayne, Pennsylvania.
	Dwayne, Sir Dwayne Melanson.
	Oh, man.
	They had the head of all Oregon.
	He's the Baron.
	444?
	69.
	69.
	Uh, in Tigard, Oregon...
	ITM, gents, removed and reinstalled my Chrome plug-ins, and comments now work on PayPal.
	Aha!
	Ah, so it's a Chrome issue.
	Interesting.
	So here's three fours for the fourth, and a little swazzle enough at the end.
	I know the show has been better than ever lately.
	Also, keep it up.
	Or keep it up.
	I'm very close.
	Sorry.
	Great show, and keep it up.
	Keep that thing up.
	I'm very close to my dukedom, and I want lots of territory.
	We end up in the West Coast.
	You're going to...
	Yeah, California.
	Screw them.
	And we're going to throw in Mexico just for the hell of it.
	Rolf Lehman, 291, and those are our executive producers, and Rolf Lehman will be an associate executive producer, 291.85.
	Hold on a second.
	I need to ask you a question here.
	Yeah?
	I saw that you made a special offer.
	Yeah.
	On double producerships.
	Yeah, I said that when I just started reading these names.
	Wow.
	July the 4th.
	I'm sorry.
	I was keeping it up.
	I'm sorry.
	You...
	Yeah, these people all get a double producer show.
	Got it, got it.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	I had to do something because things were not looking that good.
	It was a Heil Mary is what it was.
	It was a Heil Mary.
	Good one.
	So Rolf Lehman in Switzerland, I don't have a note from him.
	Is he one of the Lehman brothers?
	Well, it seems unlikely, although he is in Switzerland.
	That's what I mean.
	Rolf Lehman, special double producer, happy birthday to me.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	Well, let's do this part.
	Let me read this part.
	Even though my birthday is eight days away, accumulated, accumulated is now reached number 66666.
	Okay, let me read this.
	Even though my birthday is eight days away, I felt a compulsion to donate some money.
	Accumulated with my previous donations, my knighthood meter has now reached 666.66.
	Nice!
	Please put me on the birthday list for next Sunday because June 30th.
	We will never remember this.
	Put him on today's birthday list.
	He's on today's list, but he has to get on again.
	This will never work.
	Yeah, we can't do that because we don't have any...
	Brains.
	Brains.
	No, there's no mechanism.
	We can't unless we try to remember it.
	It's not going to work.
	I mean...
	He once said, Dr.
	Kiki, ah yeah, it seems like the donation service can't handle an umlaut.
	My hometown is called Wiedensville, and it's located in the beautiful Lake Zurich, which is, I've been there, it's nice.
	All the best of my favorite two podcasters keep up with the crackpottery and buzzkillin', the sheriff of Zurich, that's what he's headed for.
	So he wants a Dr.
	Kiki, a karma, or just a Dr.
	Kiki, or what does he want?
	Well, he wants a karma, let's face it.
	Shut up already!
	Science!
	You've got karma.
	Alrighty.
	Thank you.
	Rolf.
	Rolf.
	We need more Swiss donors.
	I mean, this is where all the money is.
	That's kind of the Alberta of Europe.
	Yeah.
	Zug.
	Zug.
	And Zug is there.
	Zug.
	Zug.
	Elizabeth Bozeran, Borozan, in Tucson, Arizona.
	269.
	Please don't rain stick my upcoming NorCal trip.
	And kudos to Adam for his ability to pronounce my last name.
	JCD, eh, not so much.
	Well, first of all, she says Heil, gents.
	You missed the whole beauty of her nose.
	Oh, I did miss Heil.
	Heil, gents.
	Borrow's on.
	Charles Jordan.
	Or Jordan.
	222-22 out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
	Thanks for reaching out to me.
	FoundationBar.com, Milwaukee's Best Mai Tai.
	Hey, now.
	I actually gave our upcoming night a phone call.
	Actually, he's a night.
	Oh, really?
	He's a double night, I think.
	Maybe two or three or something like that.
	And, yeah, because he was irked about something, so I called him up and calmed him down, and then I found, and I gave him a tip.
	Wait a minute, wait a minute.
	Who is this?
	This is Charles.
	Wait a minute.
	Here's our good.
	He's a Milwaukee Mai Tai.
	He's a bar guy.
	Hey, hey, hey, Charles, calm down.
	Is that what you did?
	Did you do one of those?
	No, I actually gave him the tip to use a little splash of Okali Hao, a Hawaiian...
	Booze based on the tea plant that is used as a secret ingredient in many Mai Tais in Hawaii.
	Oh, and he had not heard of this tip?
	No, no, but he's on it.
	He's got apparently a brother or someone who's just combing Hawaii for recipes.
	And have we worked everything out with him?
	I mean, is he...
	Yeah, yeah, no, he's good to go.
	Yeah, good.
	Chris Spears and...
	That's super service.
	Can we just...
	Is there a donation?
	No, this is not something I commonly do.
	Well, is there a donation level that we can get you to call people?
	Yeah, I'd say 220-222.
	I'll give you a call.
	Hey there.
	Thanks for the money.
	How's that going to work?
	Great.
	I love it.
	I think you can do this on Mondays.
	We can fit it into your schedule.
	On the phone.
	Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
	Hi, I'm John.
	Hey.
	All right.
	Chris Spears in Austin, Texas, 222-222.
	That is actually right up the road from me.
	I would think...
	Please credit Mr.
	Bobo, the nickname I use in the chat room, in the morning, John and Adam, from a techno expert whose job keeps them constantly away from Austin.
	I hope this small bit of value for the value they provide funds fight you well.
	Lovely.
	Thank you.
	Robert Cersima.
	Cersima.
	Cersima in Portage.
	Indiana, or if it was in France, it would be Portage 219.
	The show's been fantastic lately.
	Keep up with your great work.
	We get a lot of compliments that way.
	Thank you.
	Sir Borislav Marinov in Aliso Viejo, California, 200 bucks.
	He had a 15th anniversary a couple days ago.
	Can you send some obedience karma to my wife?
	Oh, hold on a second.
	I think I know what he means.
	Okay, here we go.
	We'll send it from you.
	You will obey.
	You've got karma.
	And you know it.
	I'm sure that'll work out just fine.
	Nice knowing you.
	Todd and Kathleen in Iowa, Davenport, the exact 200 bucks.
	ITM, thanks for the weekly email updates.
	Keep them coming.
	Thanks for watching more C-SPAN than we do.
	You're welcome.
	The family that gives together loves together.
	I think so.
	Sir Alan Bowes in Langley, British Columbia, 200 bucks.
	Sir Alan Bowes here, although this makes me a baronet.
	I'm planning a No Agenda meet-up on the Norwegian Pearl Cruise ship this February during the Spring Song at Sea Bluegrass and or Kayamo Americana music cruises.
	Noagenda at live.ca for details.
	Huh?
	Noagenda at live.ca.
	He has half a room to sublet for these cruises if you're interested.
	Underwriting, not advertising.
	All right.
	Sounds good to me.
	Barron Robert Goschko in Sherwood Park, Alberta, 200.
	Keep up the great work, the best podcast in the universe, Barron Rob.
	Thank you.
	Jeffrey Kayum, I'm guessing.
	Kayum?
	Kayum.
	I think Kayum, yeah.
	Could be.
	I have very little money, but I want you to have it.
	Otherwise, I would have to listen to the news.
	And that would surely kill me.
	There was a whole report I was reading.
	It was a funny report.
	Actually, I should have sent it to you.
	It turns out that people who have less donate more.
	Yeah, well, they've not...
	Did you see this?
	I know what...
	This has been studied, yeah.
	There's a lot of people that are very generous.
	And it's typically the people who...
	As opposed to some people who have a lot of wealth and they're cheap.
	Yeah, and they're cheap.
	They're cheap asses.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Surprising.
	Yeah.
	Thank you, Jeffrey.
	Appreciate it.
	Anonymous in Springfield, Virginia.
	And Janet Waters in Indio, California.
	She sent a note.
	ITM boys giving a shit once again.
	Janet Waters, Indio, California.
	John, that's Indio, not India.
	I don't...
	I never said India, did I? You remember saying India?
	In all the hours that we talked together, I really remember very little.
	Yeah, that's true.
	I don't remember anything.
	Maybe I said, if so, I apologize profusely.
	I want to thank these people, all of the producers that were named.
	Good work.
	Oh, I wanted to thank, did you get an award?
	Yeah, I got the best podcaster in the known universe.
	Well, hold on a second.
	How can that be?
	Why, because you got the same award?
	I got the best podcaster in the known universe award.
	These are the Bauman Awards, I believe the guy.
	Bauman.
	It's, I want to say...
	They have it downstairs.
	I have to get it.
	I got it.
	I got it.
	It's Dan.
	Dan Baumgartner.
	Yeah, the Baumgartner Award.
	We both won a Baumgartner Award.
	Mickey came home and went, I'm going to put it on my resume.
	Me too.
	It's on the IMDB. The 2013 Baumgartner Award for podcasting.
	Best podcaster in the known universe, by the way.
	You know, it is as good an award as any other.
	As any of the other bullcrap awards that are given away.
	I love it.
	Mickey came home and she went, wow, what's that ugly thing?
	And she looked and said, best podcaster.
	She said, oh honey, you finally have an award.
	And then she put it away.
	She put it on the mantle.
	Yeah, well, that's what she did.
	She put it on my bookcase.
	I'm like, hey, hold on.
	I was still enjoying it.
	I was still basking in the glow.
	The glow of the bombs are true.
	I had it on the kitchen table.
	She said, we have guests coming.
	It's got three stars.
	Yeah, it's beautiful.
	I want to thank Dan for that.
	I thought that was pretty funny.
	And I would like to profusely thank all of our executive producers who get a double credit along with our associate executive producers.
	This is great and also nice to see that we have a 524 Club member.
	This does not happen very often.
	Really, really appreciate that because it was not looking good and John threw out the Hail Mary and everyone stepped up and that's great.
	And it's great when people actually support the show and say that they think they're getting the value for it.
	Not just like, oh, we're like some dude on the corner of the highway.
	You know, it's like, hey.
	Which, by the way, we're only two paychecks away from that, probably.
	We're two shows away.
	Two shows away from that guy.
	I also want to thank Martin JJ, who provided the artwork for us.
	Two weeks in a row, Martin JJ has been doing the album artwork.
	Fantastic.
	Noagendaartgenerator.com.
	And I would like to mention that the itm.im URL shortener has gotten an overhaul.
	And it's a very useful wagon.
	And it's a nice show.
	You can get a bookmarklet even.
	Go to itm.im.
	And, you know, it's kind of a signal for just about everybody.
	When they see an itm.im link, they're like, oh, this is going to be worth it.
	So I suggest you use that.
	I'm going to start using it.
	I haven't been using it.
	No, I think you should.
	And you can get the bookmarklet.
	So you just drag that.
	I'll tell you how that works, John.
	You drag that.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Let me get a pen.
	And, oh, by the way, in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	Well, in the morning to you, Adam Curry, and also in the morning to all the ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	And I want to remind everybody, after reading this list, that they should go to dvorak.org slash na, channeldvorak.com slash na, noagendashow.com, go ahead and click on the donate button.
	Also, noagendanation.com, which will have a similar button.
	And help us for the next show, which is on Thursday.
	That's right.
	And, of course, we have a formula.
	You can always go out there and help us out by propagating it to others.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	And I'd also like to say in the morning to all of the human resources in the chat room, at NordenStream.com, NordenChat.net, And might as well say hey to Mr.
	Oil, Sir Mr.
	Oil, Sir Gitmo Slave, Sir 19-Inch Rack Void Zero, everyone who helps keep the show on the air.
	Which is Sir Gene, it's like a million people.
	We can't thank them all.
	Can't thank them enough.
	That's for sure.
	Do you want to continue here with your little...
	Yeah, let's go.
	We're going to go back to the caucus.
	And again, this is the stuff that is being told to the wonks that work for the various representatives.
	The senators will never show up to these things.
	And they don't know anything anyway.
	They're idiots.
	But they're aides.
	If they have sharp aides, they go to these events.
	And this is the kind of thing that when I see one of these, I am glued to it.
	Because I know I'm going to get stuff that's going to show up in policy statements.
	It's going to show up in the congressional hearings.
	It's going to show up.
	But the one that was, I thought this Callahan woman, ex-DHS woman, she made the commentary on damages to the American image.
	And I thought it was quite good.
	To our image?
	Interesting.
	I'm going to use a little discretion and just talk.
	I have three points that I want to highlight.
	One, having gone to 20 EU member states to talk about government information sharing and my role as the U.S. Department Homeland Security's Chief Privacy Officer.
	Okay, can I just say something for just an observation?
	She's really full of herself.
	She's a very happy woman.
	I said, oh, don't worry.
	Business record rules are only used 21 times in 2009 and only used 96 times in 2010.
	I'm going to tell you, the relationships with the European Union and with the European Commission are likely irreparably damaged.
	I used to go and say, no, no, believe me.
	No, don't worry.
	It's going to be fine.
	And they say, we don't believe you.
	You lied to us about Guantanamo.
	You lied to us about rendition.
	So now they've got a third one in there.
	So I think that our relations with the European Commission, particularly the non-national security portion of it, is going to be a problem.
	And candidly, our relationship with European citizens is going to be a problem.
	I also think that the concept of trust in government and the concept of transparency has been harmed.
	And that particularly the nine named companies, but at the same time the other companies that are operating in this space will have a cloud over their heads of saying, well, are you participating in this?
	How much are you giving?
	What is the access?
	It seems to be awfully clear.
	So I think the point on transparency that has been a theme among my panelists is going to have to be an element that we've got to develop because To affect the internet economy, you know, something in privacy, I call it the ick factor.
	You can't define it, but people go, ick!
	That seems icky to me.
	And I fear that the ick factor may color both the private sector economy as well as the government use of this data.
	Oh, for a minute there I thought that there was going to be a real problem, like people didn't want to watch Superman, Man of Steel, or the Kardashians.
	Oh, we've got nothing to worry about.
	Your cynicism is funny because there was one guy, everybody kind of agreed with her, but there was one guy at the end that says, well, I'm going to play the devil's advocate, and I'll just summarize this.
	You don't have to listen to another one of these.
	These clips are long.
	He says, you know, it's a lot of lip service because these governments in the EU, they love our data.
	We're sharing with them.
	We're trading data.
	And the public, they're idiots.
	They're just a bunch of slaves.
	They don't care.
	They're not going to pay any attention to this.
	Wait, do you have this in a clip form?
	No, I'm just summarizing what his real – I mean, he didn't say slaves.
	I'm just saying the way he presented.
	He says, and what damage is being done to Google?
	People are still using it.
	Nobody cares.
	This is exaggerated.
	It is.
	That's what I thought for a second.
	Oh my God, people won't be.
	They're going to stop using Google.
	They're going to stop watching.
	You know, we were at Halcyon yesterday.
	And it was very funny.
	Some friends of ours, who we haven't seen in a while, we don't know them that super well, but we're getting to know them quite well.
	I like him a lot.
	He's a lobbyist here in Austin, but he's a funny one.
	Actually, he's perfect for no agenda, because he knows he's in a totally evil business, and he doesn't really feel good about it.
	His wife, who is...
	She's sick.
	Oh, yeah.
	Now, his wife, she's a fascinating woman.
	She looks like Cleopatra Jones.
	You know, she's got the fro.
	She's black.
	She's got the fro.
	I mean, he just went, oh, you expect her to pull a gun on you at any minute.
	But then, I don't know what happened, but all of a sudden, she's like, can you believe that they named that child Cadence?
	I'm like, what?
	What are you talking about?
	Ha ha!
	And it took me a while, and it dawned on me, she was talking about that, I guess the thing was that they had to come up with a K name for Kanye and Kim's kid.
	Yeah.
	Did you know this?
	Yeah.
	You knew that they called it Cadence?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	I think it was, I mean, I just, I couldn't avoid finding out, because the way I'm doing searches, they kept cropping up as like the top distraction of the week, and it hurts.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	We went to see a movie.
	Star Trek?
	Or not Star Trek, I mean the new Superman?
	No, no.
	Oh, man.
	No, there's a documentary out, and it is a pro-nuclear documentary.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, this movie.
	Do you know what the title of it is?
	It's called Buy Nukes Today.
	That's correct.
	It's Pandora's Promise.
	Yeah.
	And it was playing at one theater here in Austin.
	So it was about 20 minutes of an alternative distribution system where about five theaters in the world get to play the movie.
	Then it shows up on Link TV at two in the morning and then that's the end of it.
	Well, so this documentary was playing at a Cineplex.
	And we go there.
	And you were the only two people in the room.
	Well, we went there, and the place was packed.
	No.
	Packed, I tell you.
	Yes, because the bling ring was playing next door.
	That's the Paris Hilton movie.
	Oh, and so all these people just scrounged and went to get a free show into this movie.
	No, no, no.
	What I'm saying is that the Cineplex was packed.
	Oh, the cineplex was packed.
	Okay, you're confusing me.
	Yeah, well, if you're being such a shit about the movie, won't let me even give my review.
	I'm going to trick you.
	Yes, we were the only two people in the theater.
	This has never happened to me.
	We were the only two people.
	But the movie was playing that was packed?
	The Bling Ring.
	You know, the Paris Hilton movie.
	And so we're in this now.
	And Mickey, I love this woman to death.
	Because if we had not wanted to see this, we would have walked out after 20 minutes.
	We would have walked out after the ads.
	I can't believe they wasted actual electricity on showing ads to us.
	Because we were the only two people.
	I mean, we were making comments, hooting and hollering, because there was no one in the theater.
	And still, every 15 minutes, some dude would come by to make sure we were obeying the rules.
	Pandora's Promise, which was financed by a couple of Silicon Valley people.
	Richard Branson's in there.
	The budget was about $1.5 million.
	Let me tell you, not only should they have given that money to us because we have done better for the pro-nuclear movement on this show than this movie ever will, they need to take that movie, burn every single print, burn every poster, pretend it never happened ever.
	It is the worst piece of crap that I could not believe.
	Nuclear energy is over.
	If they don't realize how wrong this movie was.
	And it's filled with great facts.
	It really is.
	With nothing that you haven't heard on this show previously.
	And I'm convinced that there was someone in there who was actually evil and putting stuff in to make you still kind of second guess.
	I mean, it was like a bunch of academics sat down like...
	Oh, really?
	That's a good trick, by the way.
	What?
	That's a good trick.
	Well, but let me see.
	If they gave us another million to re-edit it, get Woody Harrelson...
	They had no voiceover.
	To get Woody Harrelson to do a voiceover...
	Their main character was Stuart Brandt.
	Okay?
	Stuart Brand, the whole Earth guy?
	Yes!
	So the idea was, the premise was, first of all, Pandora's promise.
	It's like, you're expecting, like, shit's going to fly off the screen.
	I'm going to want to go out and put a backyard nuke in.
	This is going to be great.
	The premise is, here's these environmentalists who are extremely anti-nuke all their life, and they are taken on a journey, which we never see their journey, and they're never positioned, because it says, Stuart Brand, editor, founder of Whole Earth Catalog, like anyone under 50 knows what that means.
	It's stupid.
	And then there's a couple other guys.
	So there's no positioning of who they are.
	And there's no real journey.
	It got so bad where instead of And by the way, it's distributed by CNN Films, which is why it sucks so bad, why it sucks complete balls.
	Because instead of showing what's actually going on, which is the public are being indoctrinated and tricked into thinking that nuclear is like bombs and you're going to die...
	You know, by the media, because the media is doing it, and they're doing it mainly for whorish reasons, because it's sexy, to, you know, ooh, ooh, the fish are gonna be radiated, ooh, we're all gonna die.
	And they have all the counterpoints neatly lined up in the movie.
	Instead of doing that, they actually at some point said...
	Well, it's very coincidental that the same language that is used against nuclear energy is what the global warming skeptics use.
	I'm like, are you kidding me?
	You gotta step that in?
	But are you kidding me?
	You just turned me into a hater.
	Now, let me just tell you a couple things that were great in the movie.
	Some things that I think they did very well.
	So they spent the money on traveling.
	They went to Chernobyl, and they took a Geiger counter, which at this point, the movie is so poorly made, you're thinking the Geiger counter's fake.
	You know, they're on the airplane.
	They're showing background radiation.
	The airplane is, you know, 20 times higher than on the ground in Chernobyl.
	They're giving you the real facts.
	They're showing you the documents from the World Health Organization and from UNSCR and all the, you know, because most people think a million people died from Chernobyl, where it was really like 20.
	And, you know, and they were and, you know, and maybe 500 people died earlier.
	But it was like a weapons grade thing.
	It wasn't protected.
	It was all these things that are completely unknown.
	No one died from Three Mile Island.
	Then they show Fukushima where there's no radiation.
	And I'm not even going to fight this because they had such an opportunity to do this right.
	And they show France.
	So the French are just laughing at us because 80% of all their energy is from nuclear.
	So they get all these beautiful things.
	They show the...
	The actual amount of all the nuclear waste in the United States, all of it, if you put it all together, and I believe the fact, it would fit on one football field.
	And the amount of nuclear energy that is hot, or nuclear waste that is hot, would fit on one-tenth of one yard line.
	Of all ever used, ever produced.
	And they show how a breeder reactor reuses its fuel.
	And then the best thing, and this is where it freaked me out, someone sabotaged this.
	So they've got this...
	Do you remember the IFR reactor?
	This was, I think, 94 maybe?
	Yeah, it must have been...
	I vaguely remember.
	I think we even talked about it once.
	No, no, no.
	94.
	I mean, we certainly weren't talking about it then.
	No, no.
	I think we talked about this technology.
	Okay.
	So they had the IFR reactor, and Kerry was the guy.
	They only showed him on like a C-SPAN clip of him kiboshing the IFR reactor.
	And what they did is they showed these tests where they cut all the power.
	Every power, you know, everything was cut off, you know, no backup generators, nothing, and this thing shuts itself down.
	And then, you know, they pull the plug on like the water or whatever, the thing shuts itself down.
	It's completely, it shuts itself down.
	That's the technology of the IFR reactor.
	And a meltdown is impossible.
	And we have talked about this on the show.
	But then the guy who did it, who is now 60, 70 years old, and he's saying, yeah, no, no, we showed it.
	We had the press right there, and the thing shut down.
	We did this, this thing shut down.
	And then the interviewer asked him, so this thing could never melt down.
	And the way the guy answered, it was like, no, no.
	I was like, oh my god, couldn't you ask the fucking question again?
	And put it in, put it, I mean, Mickey and I looked at each other and were like, that wasn't very convincing.
	It was like the money shot of the movie.
	And then they leave that in there?
	Now, this was sabotaged, it's a piece of crap, and they should never send that money to us.
	Please.
	We could do a million and a half annual budget.
	That would be really nice.
	And we'll spread the facts about nuclear energy.
	This was so sad.
	And we would have walked out if it hadn't been...
	You didn't have to watch it for the show.
	No.
	So you sacrificed yourself when you could have gone next door to watch the Paris Hilton movie.
	Yeah!
	But also, I was so sad.
	I was so incredibly sad.
	That here's this opportunity.
	They're in a real movie theater.
	I mean, you can't even put...
	If you put this online, you know how people will be like, oh man, you've got to see this video.
	No one will even send it to you.
	It's so crap.
	We'll never hear from it again.
	So they made a movie with a million dollar budget and they're not going to make money on it.
	That's great.
	It's not about making money.
	They're not going to convince anybody.
	No, the whole thing.
	It sounds like a fiasco.
	It is a total fiasco.
	And they talk about backyard nukes, the possibility that you can make a little bitty thing now that could power your whole house.
	Man, I just touched on it lightly.
	A hundred years?
	John, I'm telling you, we could take the raw material...
	Get Woody Harrelson to do the voiceover, and we could turn it into a blockbuster, but you'd have to put in all this stuff to show how the media is lying.
	And of course, it will not get distributed in theaters.
	It will not get any promotion, not that it's getting any promotion now.
	It would be great, but the nuclear industry, there's money in this industry, right?
	I mean, there's hundreds, if not billions, hundreds of millions, billions of dollars being spent on nuclear industry.
	Are you guys insane?
	Are you out of your fucking minds?
	You've got the definition of renewable energy.
	By the way, love the little tidbit in there that all of these wind farms and solar farms, they all have gas pipes running up to them because they're basically gas-fired installations in disguise.
	I thought that was pretty cool.
	I don't know anything about this.
	Neither did I. So you have a wind farm, but of course, when the wind is not blowing, you still want to produce some energy, and then they open up the gas pipe, and then the turbines are rolling, and basically they're just selling gas.
	I didn't know that either.
	That was a revelation to me, that if you look at all the wind farms and solar farms, almost all of them have a gas-fired plant right there on the premises to make up for when the sun's not shining or the wind's not blowing.
	So there was tons of good information, but it was completely sabotaged, and I can't believe...
	And they never really made the point that, hello, we live in a petrochemical world.
	The oil and coal industries are so huge.
	They own everything.
	They own the media.
	They own all of the politicians.
	They couldn't even bring themselves to say it, let alone insinuate it.
	No, it was the global warming, the climate change deniers.
	Stupid, stupid, stupid idiots.
	Stupid.
	Now, the Courier-de-Vore Consulting Group is, of course, available at any time, should you want to know how to do this.
	Yeah, we're listed.
	Yeah, we're in the book.
	Send us an email.
	We're ready to go.
	We're ready to do something.
	We're ready to kill some time.
	Yeah, so that is very disappointing.
	Very, very, very, very disappointing.
	Because, you know, I'm pro-nuke.
	I'm pro-backyard nuke.
	Yeah, well, we're never going to get there at this rate.
	No.
	Never.
	Never.
	Sad.
	Well, you were right, by the way.
	There was a good job of getting the Hastings story off the front page.
	It's like now gone.
	Oh, yeah.
	So that's the end of that.
	And then they gave him a little snipe.
	They sniped at him in the New York Times, which I thought was funny, with his obit.
	I might have the clip of the day.
	You give me the obit.
	What's the...
	Well, I have a clip of the obit.
	Oh, very nice.
	What you got?
	It's the Hastings obit clip.
	The widow of journalist Michael Hastings is firing back at the New York Times after the paper published an obituary that left a sour taste in readers' mouths.
	The Times obituary had cast doubt on the accuracy of Hastings' profile of General Stanley McChrystal.
	It read, An inquiry into the article by the Defense Department Inspector General the next year found insufficient evidence of wrongdoing by the general, his military aides, and civilian advisers.
	The Inspector General's report also questioned the accuracy of some aspects of the article, which was repeatedly defended by Mr.
	Hastings and Rolling Stone.
	Zach, what do you make of this?
	Do you give the benefit of the doubt to Rolling Stone?
	Certainly.
	I mean, if you go through the Inspector General report that they're referring to there, of course the Inspector General doesn't confirm every last detail that Michael Hastings got in his report because the people who said things that were inflammatory and controversial in the report aren't just going to turn around and tell the IG, yes, I did that and the military should fire me for doing so.
	Wait, is that the only way to corroborate it?
	Surely the Inspector General talks to a third party, doesn't he?
	Certainly, I think so.
	And if you go through the report, you can actually see that the IG actually says, in many circumstances, we've confirmed that the basic substance of the exchange took place, but perhaps not in the precise context in which Hastings portrayed them.
	I think it's absurd to look at an IG report and say, okay, it's supposed to corroborate every detail of an incredibly damning story about the government.
	The IG is trying to get to the truth of these things, but They're conducting an investigation after another journalistic investigation has taken place.
	The evidence is going to be different a year or several months after the actual story comes out.
	And that's basically what the IG report said.
	I think the Times is really grossly mischaracterizing this and has grossly mischaracterized it for a long time as a report that somehow cleared McChrystal and the military leadership in Afghanistan of any of the charges that actually took place that were launched in the Hastings piece.
	Why would the Times do it?
	Are they just mistaken or do you think that they're just tying a political-military line?
	You know, it's hard to know.
	I mean, as a journalist, I will say it really does suck when you cover something for a long time and then some punk comes in and just blows up all your reporting and does a much better job than you.
	Sour grapes!
	Sour grapes from the Times!
	Yeah, but when you get your clock cleaned like that, you just kind of suck it up and say, well, that was a great story and move on.
	The Times really seems to have really...
	This has been the editorial position of the newsroom for a long time.
	The piece they have on the IG report, which is years old now, Still says, you know, IG report clears McChrystal.
	I mean, that's not what the IG report did.
	So I think the edit, for whatever reason, the Times just has journalists that have interpreted the scene a lot differently than Hastings and Rolling Stone have.
	And, you know, they can write whatever obituary they want.
	I think ultimately most people remember the Hastings piece, and the Hastings piece had a lot more impact on the public debate than the obituaries.
	And maybe an obit is not the place to air that sort of stuff anyway.
	Right.
	Yeah, so the Times are happy.
	They're like, oh, good riddance to that a-hole.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, so here's a clip from January 2012 when Hastings released his book.
	He was promoting it on, I think this is Russia Today, and he was still a young and hopeful and chipper and enthusiastic journalist full of idealistic views.
	It almost seems like any time someone comes out and says something that goes against the mainstream narrative, they're exiled as some sort of a heretic.
	And I don't see that really changing, do you?
	Well, I think the way to change it is...
	Back in the day, if you did something like this, I would have been hammered and buried.
	But now there's enough other outlets out who will defend you, who will put you on TV, who will put you on the radio show, who will support you on Twitter, Facebook, other social media.
	So there is, I think, this opportunity for this sort of golden age to kind of resist against this.
	But it's an uphill battle.
	You know, I mean, the lesson...
	The reason why the response was so severe in my case, or in a case like WikiLeaks with Bradley Manning and Julian Assange, is because they want to set an example.
	They want to show, oh no, you can't do this.
	You can't actually report what powerful people say.
	You can't try to write as accurately and as truthful as possible about these people.
	Because if you do, you will be exiled.
	But that's no longer the case.
	And in fact, what I've tried to do and show with this book is, look, I'm still alive.
	I'm still standing.
	They haven't put a drone strike out on me yet.
	I'm not in Gitmo.
	How sad is that?
	That's terrible.
	What a clip.
	They haven't put me in Gitmo.
	They haven't put a drone strike on me yet.
	They haven't killed me.
	He's dead.
	Yeah, and now he's dead.
	Oh, my.
	Yeah.
	Now, I have received several reports.
	And this, of course, is all, oh, it's crazy conspiracy theory talk.
	But the word is that this possibly could have been a small drone strike.
	And if you look at the...
	Well, before you go on, I want to report, because I went through all these things, as many as I could, and all the reports from the neighbors said it sounded like a bomb went off.
	Explosion, exactly.
	Now, I live on a hill where there was a terrible intersection, not an intersection, but a freeway and exit.
	They took it out.
	But it had routinely had one or two wrecks.
	A week.
	Where somebody was drunk or they were going too fast and they tried to get off on this exit and they just plow into the pole.
	Right.
	And it happened week after week.
	And I can also hear wrecks on the ferry.
	There's a distinctive sound to a car crash that is not an explosion.
	Right.
	In fact, it's, yeah, exactly.
	Say, oh, a car wreck.
	Very distinctive.
	So when all these witnesses are saying, oh, it sounded like an explosion, I thought the car had a bomb in it.
	It could have had a bomb in it.
	Well, here's...
	I got a lot of...
	And from some of our younger producers, actually, who sent me academic speeches, videos on YouTube.
	And you can go watch the whole thing.
	Here's one minute from...
	This is Stephen Checkaway from University of California, San Diego.
	And the work that they did...
	This is 2011 on compromising automobiles through multiple, multiple ways.
	We have vehicle-to-vehicle communications for things like crash avoidance.
	The final category that we considered was long-range wireless communication, where here we're considering attackers who are able to send signals over miles or even at a global scale.
	So we have a bunch of digital radio signals like HD radio or satellite radio that can transmit over a number of miles.
	And telematics units are becoming common in basically every car.
	Every manufacturer either has one or is making one.
	And these are used for things like roadside assistance or automatic crash reporting.
	So now I'm going to talk about several of these that we actually attacked.
	In particular, we were able to compromise the diagnostic tool, the media player, Bluetooth, and cellular.
	And to be clear, every single one of these that we looked at led to a complete car compromise doing everything that we showed in the previous work, including doing things like disabling the brakes.
	This is a great speech.
	You've got to see this thing.
	Yeah, I'm going to definitely watch it.
	And just as an adjunct to these clips, or this concept, play the clip, does the FBI use drones?
	Yeah, Mueller.
	Does the FBI owner currently use drones, and if so, for what purpose?
	Yes, and for surveillance.
	Does the FBI use drones for surveillance on U.S. soil?
	Yes.
	I want to go on to a question.
	Let me just put it in context in a very, very minimal way.
	That's right.
	Only one car at a time.
	Minimal way.
	I like the way he says yes and then starts thinking about his answer.
	So the Shadowhawk is what is being suggested.
	The Shadowhawk might be the kind of drone that could carry, could be weaponized just enough to blow up a vehicle.
	And with certainly one that has its brakes disabled and maybe the accelerator is being punched down.
	I mean, I'm sorry.
	Call me a conspiracy theorist.
	You're a conspiracy theorist.
	You're crazy.
	Yes, I am.
	Keep it up.
	But if someone gives you a CD and says, hey, play that in your car, don't do it.
	That is one of the ways.
	That's exactly what this speech is about, is that they could burn a WMA file.
	That would play perfectly, but the minute you put it in your car player, it releases a virus, it causes a core dump, and boom, they've gotten a hold of the entire system.
	It's kind of scary.
	I see that, you know, especially like Fords have this, they're using...
	Ixnay on the Ordfe.
	They're using Microsoft.
	But that's after 2005, right?
	Yeah.
	I don't know when they started using the sink system.
	We don't have...
	Please, please say yes, Adam, after 2005.
	Yes, Adam, after 2005, I believe.
	We don't have...
	We don't have the sink touch or whatever.
	We don't have that.
	You have a big clunker of a fork.
	Yeah, we got the big clunker with the old school with the really big knobs.
	Okay, well, that's probably okay.
	Yeah.
	Yes, thank you.
	No, this is horrible.
	It's just totally, totally horrible.
	Here's DARPA. Good afternoon.
	Right, so we've been hearing a lot today about the importance of improving computer security.
	As Dan just alluded to, though, it's not just traditional computers that we need to worry about.
	There are many other kinds of systems as well.
	The slide that's been omitted showed a result of the researchers at UCSD and the University of Washington hacking into the dashboard display of a typical American sedan, making it show that the car was going 140 miles an hour while in park.
	Drilling down a little bit, modern vehicles consist of between 30 and 100 embedded control units, which are essentially small computers connected via CAN bus.
	These cars are required by law to have a diagnostic port, typically located under the steering wheel, that allows mechanics to download diagnostic information and to perform software updates.
	In a first paper, the researchers from UCSD and the University of Washington showed that if they could touch the canvas through that diagnostic port, they could take over all of the functionality of the car that's controlled by software.
	And in a modern automobile, that's pretty much everything.
	The brakes are controlled by software because of anti-lock braking.
	The acceleration is controlled by software because of cruise control.
	And in those fancy new cars that can park themselves, even the steering is under software control.
	Enough said.
	I don't think we have to go any further.
	Well, how about this?
	Remember when they had all these Toyotas that were going out of control?
	Yeah.
	This was actually just a test run of some people trying to hack into these systems and making mistakes.
	Yeah.
	And...
	Because it never made any sense.
	It was going on for...
	Everyone remembers this.
	It never gets revisited by the media.
	No.
	The Toyotas were going out of control day after day.
	Let's be specific.
	Toyota Prius.
	Yeah, they were just...
	Car of your typical Obamabot.
	Exactly.
	It is the car of the Obamabots.
	And...
	It would get a stuck accelerator, and they go, oh, what am I going to do?
	And it was like, you know, and then they never got to the bottom of it.
	Floor mat.
	They never figured out what it was causing.
	Floor mat.
	Yeah, it was a floor mat.
	Then they decided, and then it just stopped.
	Magically stopped.
	Same floor mats.
	Yeah.
	Now, it magically stopped because...
	Now, we, of course, assumed there was some way of gouging Toyota by the government to extort money, which is still a valid idea, but who knows that the government wasn't setting these things into high speed.
	Well, it appears to me, if you put all the pieces together, and it's very hard often for people to...
	They think it's like science fiction.
	When you hear, going back to the beginning of this program, and you hear Russell Tice say, oh, no, I did all my spying from space.
	So, yeah, and it's very easy, and then we just beam down whatever we need to do.
	We talk to your Sirius satellite radio, your Bluetooth, something, and then we just take over control of your car.
	I'm happy.
	I like our old cars.
	I'm driving around.
	Keep that Lexus, John.
	Don't get anything new.
	Nothing.
	Keep the Lexus.
	I'll get a hot rod next.
	Yeah.
	Buy some old 35 Ford.
	A hot rod.
	Don't you think I should be like the old fart in the hot rod?
	That would be pretty sexy.
	Hey, girls.
	Really?
	Hey, girls?
	Do you think that still works?
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	With the exposed engine.
	Pipes.
	With the pipes coming out.
	The chrome inch with the pipes hanging out.
	Right, right, right.
	And you've got the fenderless wheels, of course.
	Oh, yeah.
	You can do that if the car's under a certain weight.
	You don't need fenders.
	Right.
	So it throws dirt everywhere.
	I think this is, I envision you in like a pickup truck hot rod.
	One of those, like the short bed Ford.
	Yeah, that'd be cool.
	Right, and it has the little wheels in the front so you're slanted.
	Right.
	And I think you got flames on the side.
	You need flames.
	You need flames.
	Can't the Apple Red X still have a proponent?
	And then do you have a big blower?
	A big, you know, tooter on the front?
	Blower.
	Right?
	When you hit the accelerator, you see the valves open up.
	The car kind of really rockets forward.
	Oh, yeah.
	And I think you've got super fat tires in the back.
	What do you think?
	Yeah, you have to with that blower.
	Yeah.
	Hey, girls.
	Hey, girls.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Who the hell is that guy?
	What is that he's driving?
	What?
	I've never seen these cars anymore.
	You have to go to special meetings to find them.
	No, we had them, what, it was maybe five weeks ago.
	Oh, you had them in town.
	In Austin, yeah.
	We get the big hot rod weekend.
	And every guy is at least 60.
	No.
	Oh, well, that's a plus.
	No.
	That's really, that was last weekend we had the Republic of Texas rally.
	That's essentially a whole bunch of dentists and, you know, veterinarians who are all weekend warriors.
	They all get on their Harley and they come to Austin.
	Hey, you got my bitch on the back.
	But, you know, they're really tame.
	Really tame kind of guys.
	So, let's move to this.
	You heard the Daily Woman, I assume.
	Oh, my God.
	Do you want to play it?
	Yeah, I want to play it before we dig a bigger place.
	I have the whole thing.
	I have it broken up, but I think it's two and a half minutes.
	I have the part one and part two.
	If you have the complete thing where she starts slobbering...
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Let's just play it from the beginning.
	Yeah, let's play it.
	So this is Claire Daly.
	She is in the Irish Parliament, I believe.
	Right, and she's a lefty, but she seems like a reasonably attuned person.
	I like her.
	She's my friend is what she is.
	She's hilarious.
	Hold on a second.
	I have her wiki page here.
	I want to give her props.
	She's our new Nigel Farage.
	Yes.
	Elected Socialist Party...
	She got kicked out of the Socialist Party, by the way.
	Oh, really?
	She had to form her own party.
	Let me see.
	She was previously a Socialist Party counselor for the Swords electoral area.
	This is very complicated.
	I don't know how Ireland works.
	Sorry, Ireland.
	She resigned from the Socialist Party on the 31st of August, redesignating herself as a United Left Alliance, TD, whatever that is.
	So anyway, here she is.
	Taoiseach, I think it's important to take this opportunity to bring a bit of balance into the discussions around the visits of the US President and his wife, given the almost unprecedented slobbering over them that the nation has been exposed to.
	By the way, we've got to start using some of these terms.
	Unprecedented is beautiful.
	Unprecedented slobbering.
	No, she's unprecedented.
	I want to start talking like that.
	Unprecedented slobbering.
	Over the last number of days, and it's really hard to know which is worse, whether it's the outpourings of the Obamas themselves or the sycophantic fawning over them by sections of the media and the political establishment.
	We've had separate and special news bulletins by the state broadcaster to tell us what Michelle Obama and her daughters had for lunch in Dublin, but very little questioning of the fact that she was having lunch with Mr.
	Tax Exile himself.
	Who was that, by the way?
	Bono!
	Oh, it was Bono?
	Yeah!
	We had very little challenging of the fact that she's glad to be home.
	Home, a country that she's been in less than a week, and that her husband has very tenuous links in.
	And of course, the biggest irony of all, the protestations of Obama himself in his speech to children in Northern Ireland about peace.
	When he said, those who choose a path of peace, I promise you that the United States of America will support you every step of the way.
	We will be the wind at your back.
	Now I ask you, is this person going for the hypocrite of the century award?
	Because we have to call things by their right names.
	And the reality is that by any serious examination, this man is a war criminal.
	He has just announced his decision to supply arms to the Syrian opposition, including the jihadists, fueling the destabilization of that region and continuing to undermine secularism and knock back conditions for women.
	So that was beautiful, but then she goes in and she hammers all these guys, which I love the most.
	This is the man who is in essence stalling the Geneva peace talks by trying to broker enhanced leverage for the Syrian opposition by giving them arms and to hell with the thousands more who lose their lives or the tens of thousands more who will be displaced as this war goes on.
	This is the man who has facilitated a 200% increase in the use of drones which have killed thousands of people including hundreds of children.
	A new Taoiseach You are the one who's turned a blind eye on these activities.
	You've talked about the G8 being an opportunity to showcase Ireland.
	But is it not a reality that you have showcased us as a nation of pimps prostituting ourselves in return for a pat on the head?
	To be honest with you, we were really...
	I was speculating this morning whether you were going to deck the cabinet out in leprechaun hats decorated with a bit of stars and stripes to really mark abject humiliation here.
	I love this woman.
	I love her.
	She just lays it on.
	She doesn't stop.
	She just keeps hounding.
	I just love the leprechauns.
	The imagery is great.
	The leprechauns with the stars and stripes on the hat.
	And I'm like, yeah!
	This will be on every single channel.
	Oh.
	It's not.
	Yeah, good work.
	Very, very, very good.
	And I love the whole slamming of the Mr.
	Tax exile himself.
	Sometimes it takes someone like that to open everyone's eyes, but it doesn't get any exposure.
	No one is paying attention.
	No, nobody picks it up.
	I haven't seen it on CNN. It's on all these couple of blogs I've got.
	Leprechauns!
	It is getting around the internet, though.
	Yes, but I'm...
	It's so funny.
	Unprecedented hypocrisy!
	Is he going for the hypocrisy of the year or what?
	I tell you, Mr.
	Drone himself!
	So Bono is there for the cheating.
	Can I just say one thing?
	Yeah?
	If you have children in the room, cover their ears.
	Fuck Bono.
	All right.
	Bono was there for the G8 to argue against, which we played on the last show, that they were supposed to be talking about tax evasion.
	And they turned it serious.
	He was there to promote the idea that this was okay.
	He had moved his money.
	I don't know.
	Explain this to me.
	Bono has moved most of his money out of Ireland, which I always thought was a tax haven, to Holland.
	Yes, because Holland is a tax haven because Holland does not tax royalties.
	This is why...
	I can show you the Rolling Stones buildings in Amsterdam.
	Sir Bono?
	Sir Bono.
	Yeah, I'm sure he's a sir.
	Yeah, he's a sir.
	I'm sure he's got a title of knighthood or something.
	Yes, so the Rolling Stones have four buildings, entire buildings in Amsterdam.
	Entire buildings filled with people doing important stuff.
	Important stuff, I tell you.
	Like what?
	They're the leprechauns running around investing his money.
	So there's no tax on royalties, which is why...
	And that also goes for patent royalties.
	This is why you have the Dutch Irish sandwich.
	APE, Knight of the British Empire.
	I told you.
	I told you.
	This is why if you have a patent, or as they would say, a patent, on a technology such as, I don't know, an iPhone...
	Then you want to charge money for the use of the patent and you want that money to be paid to your other company, Apple Patent Inc.
	in Amsterdam, who then subsequently have no tax on the royalties because that's a creative royalty.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Now, if we had royalties from this show...
	Which we don't.
	No.
	But we'd set up shop in Amsterdam.
	Hell yeah!
	Hell yeah!
	We'd be living large.
	Like Bono.
	Like Bono.
	He's a dick.
	I told you about it.
	I interviewed him once.
	Yeah, you said he was a dick.
	Totally, and he walked away.
	He walked from your ear because you were being mean to him?
	No, I asked him a question about something, I don't know, something he didn't like.
	And instead of being a man, and he walked away, and the edges were still there.
	The edges were like, oh yeah, he gets all that.
	What is it you asked?
	I don't remember.
	It was nothing.
	I remember being like, what?
	Wait, he just walked away?
	I'd probably ask something, you know, about...
	I don't know.
	I mean, it was innocent.
	This is old MTV days.
	This is maybe...
	I don't know.
	What's your creative process?
	I have no idea what I have.
	Whatever it was, it wasn't...
	How did you come up with this crap?
	It wasn't to his liking, and he just walked away.
	He's a dick.
	He's a dick.
	Douche dick.
	Well, he's losing favor in Ireland after this speech.
	If you look at the Sun newspaper in Ireland, they've got a story as Bono losing his popularity.
	I think the Irish are going to reject him.
	Because of this thing, because there was a front page story about, in Ireland, not here, with Obama, Michelle having lunch with Bono.
	It's like it was a big scandal.
	Because he was only there to promote the idea that he shouldn't be taxed.
	But this is, right.
	But this is how the elites of the world, you know, so the only reason the Obamas were there is because it's the tax haven.
	He's had Apple on his mind.
	He can only talk about Apple, Apple, Apple because this is where Apple has set up their shop and tons of companies have set up there because of the low tax rate.
	That's the only reason that they're like, hey, thanks, guys.
	Good work.
	Thank you.
	I got an interesting note from one of our producers about, remember what Obama was, we talked about in the last show, about the yokels?
	Yeah, the yokels.
	Let me just refresh your memory.
	...about potentially critical infrastructure that could be compromised.
	There were a handful of yokels up in New York who stole $45 million out of ATMs over the course of, I think it was 18 hours.
	So our producer says, you know, you didn't get it.
	He said, Obama is used to such big scams, like billions and billions and trillions of dollars with his banker buddies, that when someone steals $45 million from ATMs, they're yokels.
	Amateurs.
	It's amateurs.
	I'm like, yeah, there's something to that.
	Why else would he say it?
	By the way, I doubt the math.
	They stole $45 million in 48 hours from ATMs?
	Yeah.
	It doesn't sound right.
	It would have to be more than yokels.
	It would have to be an army of yokels.
	I still like the whole idea of him just thinking, what amateurs?
	Yeah, yokels.
	45 mil.
	Losers.
	Really?
	Really?
	Are you kidding me?
	That's a good observation.
	Hey, speaking of yokels, why don't we thank some of our local yokels?
	What do you say?
	Our local yokels are...
	I'm going to show my support by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on the agenda.
	In the morning.
	Have a bunch of...
	I do have a letter I want to read before I go in, because he donated 80, which I'll get to his name, but it's Dodge, as he calls himself, artist, bartender, waiter, slave.
	And he says he's dropping donation in the mail, PayPal being a douche all of a sudden with my card, and yada, yada, blah, blah, blah.
	Been a listener since January 2013, as a new listener, relatively speaking.
	Loved the show, but...
	Uh-oh.
	It's always the big butt.
	Especially in Louisiana.
	Hey-o!
	No, I'm just kidding.
	Louisiana women are beautiful.
	Well, listening to an old podcast of the No Agenda show, Mr.
	D'Vorek went into this great ramble about how disgusting Louisiana Cajun cooking is.
	Oh, God!
	This is not something to be repeated.
	This was a...
	I think we lost half of our audience.
	Yeah.
	Just wanted you to know, again though, of course we didn't get fired.
	No, we did not get fired.
	We're still here.
	We're still here.
	Just wanted you to know, all of my donations to the show came directly from money acquired at my upscale Cajun restaurant.
	Yes, John, you can put upscale and Cajun next to each other.
	Alright, so he is in...
	Good work.
	He is in a town called Beach, Alabama, actually, and he runs the, there's apparently a chain of these things, and this is called the Louisiana Laniap, which is spelled L-A-G-N-I-A-P-P-E, which is a classic, God knows where that came from, word.
	And so if you want to go to the Louisiana Laniap, Which is in Orange Beach, Alabama.
	Orange Beach.
	Or the Cafe Grazie, which is an Italian place.
	Forget that.
	Go to the Louisiana land...
	Yap.
	Anyway, I'm sorry.
	I do like the style of cooking in Louisiana.
	I'm just saying a lot of it is pretty old-fashioned.
	Well, I will say, as an aside note...
	But Emeril, who came out of New York, went to Louisiana, adopted the cuisine, has modernized it in some ways, at least for that area.
	And all his restaurants are fantastic.
	Seriously.
	Did you know that Noodles is going public?
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	With all that bad publicity?
	Yeah.
	I'm thinking this is a short sell.
	Because this thing is going to have the IPO pop, and then all the kids are going to revolt because of, hey, man.
	Like, they may come to work on time.
	Just come to work on time.
	I would not invest in that company.
	Noodles.
	IPO. Mm-hmm.
	Noodles expects an IPO of $13 to $15 a share.
	IPO terms, they're going to raise up to $77.5 million, which will open a couple more stores, I guess.
	Uh-huh.
	I think it's a depression company.
	Noodles, come on, give me a break.
	Okay, might be, might be.
	But we've got to be careful.
	I mean, we could have a slave revolt on our hands and no one will be serving at Noodles.
	Well, Don Mills...
	We'll not be eating there.
	He said $131 from Shasta Lake, and I'm saying that because there's no noodles in Shasta Lake.
	ITM, here's what I owe you for your two-bit show.
	What is that?
	25 cents.
	He sent us 25 cents a show since the beginning.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, that's a two-bit show.
	Thank you.
	Two-bit show.
	Get it?
	Love it.
	Love it.
	Quarter each time.
	Nice.
	Jason Doolin in Lost Wages, Nevada, 12358.
	As I listen to my comments on the show, I become unhappy.
	My comment wasn't appropriate in any way, shape, or form.
	I don't remember this comment.
	I can only extend an embarrassed and humble apology.
	Do you remember a comment that was...
	Yeah, don't do that again.
	Don't do what again?
	I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	I'm going to scold it.
	Don't do that again, Jason.
	Brian Morton in Casper, Wyoming, $100.
	Helen Barber in Wilton, Australia, $100.
	We have a Sunday birthday call-out that's listed on here.
	We do.
	Javier Vasquez in San Diego, California, $100.
	Loves the show.
	Been donating for a while.
	Decides time to help out.
	Antonio McMullen in Round Rock, Texas, which is right up the road from you, $100.
	Yeah, but he's not there right now.
	No, because he's doing contract work in Afghan land.
	He hasn't donated in a while since...
	But when he saw the number 33 painted on a wall, I decided to sing the 33 is a magic number jingle.
	If you decide to use the comment during the show, I'd appreciate that you left my name out.
	Oops.
	Oh, God.
	Gareth, good work, Eric.
	Yeah.
	Gareth Herdman in Victoria, New Zealand.
	Whitney Jacobs in El Cajon, California, 83.
	Gareth was 99.
	Joe Thompson in Allen, Texas.
	Like a birthday shot, we got that.
	Hey, question, question, question, question.
	So we have a producer now who has taken you to task over this Spring, Texas producer meetup.
	Yeah.
	I think you're going to have to get on a plane.
	We'll see.
	And by the way, everyone in Texas is invited to this.
	I sent him a little thing.
	He can contact people if he wants to.
	Yeah.
	Elliot Rothman in Atlanta, Georgia.
	What does he say here?
	I can't actually...
	This thing doesn't...
	Wow, he has a huge note.
	No need to read this note.
	Okay, next.
	Good.
	Paul, we read the note, but we read it in private.
	Paul Schneider in, and by the way, Dodge in Orange Beach, Alabama.
	I read his note already.
	The $80 guy.
	Sir John Johnson, Troy, New York.
	Paul Schneider in Edmonton.
	Oh, by the way, you didn't play...
	We got it.
	Here.
	69!
	There we are.
	You skipped one.
	Paul Schneider.
	Yeah.
	I did.
	John Johnson.
	These are all 69 69s.
	Charles Massey in Milledgeville, Georgia.
	Give him a de-douching.
	Okay.
	And a karma.
	You've been de-douched.
	What does he need the karma for?
	He's taking the LSAT. Oh.
	You've got karma.
	We need every lawyer we can get.
	Yeah, we do.
	Yeah, for sure.
	And the good old Grand Duke Baron von Pelsmacher's in Belgium.
	He had to come on with another 69-69.
	He could use some swazzle enough, Carmen.
	We'd give him whatever he wants.
	Oh, whatever the Baron, whatever the Grand Duke wants.
	You've got Carmen.
	He is da man.
	He's the man.
	Christopher Gray in Grand Blanc, Michigan.
	Sir Gray to you.
	He's got some MILF karma coming, I think, or some sort.
	You want some?
	He wants...
	He's a bride of nine years.
	He was your sister, Sandra.
	He's a bride of nine years.
	Well, he's going to be knighted today.
	Oh, he's getting knighted.
	Yeah, so let me give him...
	Let me give him his MILF karma.
	MILF. That's one mother.
	I like this.
	MILF. You've got karma.
	Good work.
	Grant McHeron.
	Whoops, that's the end of the segment.
	Oh, my goodness.
	69!
	69, dude!
	Five.
	We're down to five.
	Yeah.
	From the all-time high of, like, 90.
	Yeah.
	That's all right.
	It'll go away eventually.
	69 from Grant McHeron in McKinnon, Victoria, Australia.
	Colter Padgett in Bandera, Texas.
	55-55.
	First-time donor.
	He's been on the show with something.
	We have to give her karma at the end of the episode here.
	Karen E. Edwards, $51 in Ontario, Canada.
	Stephen Arnold, $50.
	United States, these are all $50.
	Massey Stolowski.
	I think it's Massey, Massey.
	Calgary, which is flooded.
	We're not talking about the floods, but they got slammed.
	They just flooded out the Stampede.
	Really?
	They didn't have it this year?
	No, they decided to have it in the flood.
	Those Canadians are tough.
	I told you I've been to the Stampede.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's one of the things I've always wanted to go to.
	I got the belt buckle still somewhere, somewhere.
	Josh Johnson, Kingston, Ontario, 50.
	Eric Veet, Dublin, California.
	Dan Greb, Lansdale, Pennsylvania.
	Finally, Kyle Bauer in parts unknown.
	Mark Tanner and Whittier and the last $50 donors.
	Michael Hassenkamp, local boy in Santa Clara, California.
	Wrap the street from me.
	Mm-hmm.
	And that will be our contributors for this show, 524.
	I want to remind everyone to help us.
	We've got another show coming up.
	This has to be done.
	I'm sorry.
	It's just the way we do the show.
	Instead of a bunch of ads every two minutes, this is how we finance the show.
	This is how it gets done.
	We get all the support we get.
	We have to thank everybody for the support, especially over a certain amount.
	And I want to thank the lesser donors, too.
	And anyone who just, you know, we get a lot of $5 come in from people.
	There's been a lot of people who tweeted saying, oh, you know, thanks for reminding me to check my monthly because PayPal canceled.
	And the way PayPal cancels is they say, no agenda show has rejected your payment.
	Yeah, it's unbelievable.
	I mean, I hate that.
	I got a tweet from some guy, maybe it was the same one, the guy says, they've been bitching about this all this time and it happened to me.
	Yeah.
	Don't check.
	I think it was one of our no agenda hams.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Let me see.
	I have it here.
	No, it's horrible.
	I don't understand why they say that we rejected it.
	It's something wrong with their system.
	No, but they don't give it.
	It's not their system.
	It's just their language.
	I mean, their system.
	It's just horrible.
	Hey, I see a couple of interesting things here.
	One of them is, let me see if I can bring this up quickly.
	Hey, that was N3PRO. Yeah.
	I noticed that you...
	Wait, I have the language here.
	I'm going to read it to you.
	Hello, name.
	No Agenda Show has suspended your automatic payments.
	Contact No Agenda Show for more details or to reactivate your payments.
	Yeah.
	Well, what kind of bullshit is that?
	Yes, we're going to say, no, we're suspending you.
	Your money's no good here.
	Suspend him, John.
	Block him.
	Block him from sending us money.
	I bitched to them about this and they never replied in my comments.
	No.
	Send me that mail, I'll do that one again.
	This is bogus.
	I mean, we're not rejecting anybody.
	I mean, we can't afford it.
	Oh, some Dick Cheney.
	Screw him.
	We don't need his money.
	No, if Dick Cheney sends his money, it goes into the coffers.
	We can pay some bills.
	That's right.
	Hell yeah.
	So I see you're using your call sign.
	Yes, I started using it.
	Adam Curry, Kentucky Fried 5, Salt Lake News.
	Kentucky Fried 5, Salt Lake News.
	And what does it say underneath that?
	www.curry.com.
	And underneath that?
	Your government is reading your email.
	Slow them down with encryption.
	My public key.
	Pubkey.curry.com.
	How much email do you get that uses your public key?
	A lot.
	A lot.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	You'd be amazed.
	I'd say...
	Well, I mean, as a percentage, very small.
	But per day, at least five.
	Oh, that's nice.
	Good.
	Well, then all the government spooks can send Curry, the cool stuff, and we'll analyze it.
	Well, I mean, I have no illusions about the NSA can crack it, but it slows them down.
	That's exactly what I said.
	It's like, oh, really?
	Yeah, I'm sure the NSA, if they wanted to.
	I mean, it's like, those two idiots, screw them.
	We've got better fish to fry.
	Let's get the goods on Schumer.
	Swing that dish around.
	Yeah, who gives a crap about them?
	Oh, let me just...
	We've got to finish up the segment, and I've got some cool stuff to talk about.
	We have a title.
	We have a change in title.
	This is Sir Dr.
	Sharky, who becomes Baronet, so he doesn't get a piece of land yet, but he's on his way to barondom.
	And he gets that.
	He wasn't on the list today, but we know that he's good for his donation, but he sent it in late.
	Cut-off time is midnight.
	Pacific.
	Pacific time on the day before, the evening before the show.
	And yes, I'll reiterate what John said.
	Thank you so much.
	This is the only way that we can get by.
	And I think...
	Just looking at today's show, hello, the value has been right there.
	We saved you $20.
	That's without water and M&Ms for that crappy movie, right?
	Because we bought two waters and some M&Ms.
	So the bill was $40 before you know it.
	We have helped you understand what bullcrap the Kaiser Alexander is spewing, which is public information.
	It's just public information.
	That you're not even getting.
	No, you can't even get the simplest stuff.
	Yeah.
	It's amazing.
	It's the simplest stuff.
	I hate to use the word.
	I used the word amazing.
	I should be slapped.
	That's okay.
	And I will mention that we got a great note with a couple of ideas from one of our producers.
	And he said, why don't you have a jingle for your P.O. box?
	Because in this case, you have to go to the website to get the P.O. box, whereas if we had a P.O. box jingle, then people could just, you know, I need to donate money, and they could just sing the jingle.
	What's our P.O. box?
	Box 339, El Cerrito, California, 94530.
	So maybe we need a whole song.
	Well, no.
	Why don't you just take what I just said and run it through that stupid thing, that device, that makes it into an auto-tune.
	All right.
	Hopefully someone will do that for us.
	But I thought it was a good idea.
	I thought that was...
	Yeah, that would be a good idea.
	It sounds like a tough one.
	But again, www.thevork.org slash NA could be done.
	Thank you.
	And we have some very, very talented mofos listening to this show.
	And here's a big karma for everybody.
	All you monthly donors, you one-time smaller donation numbers, our associates, of course, our executives, associate executive producers, just everyone who is supporting the show.
	Thank you so much.
	You've got karma.
	It's your birthday, birthday.
	Oh, no, I can't.
	So he's getting his birthday.
	Rolf Lehman, who will be celebrating on June 30th.
	I hope you remember to do it again on Thursday.
	Helen Barber celebrates today, the 23rd, as does Joe Thomason, who turns 40 today.
	Happy birthday from your friends here at the Best Podcast in the Universe!
	And we have a nighting.
	Yes!
	Yay!
	I got my blade.
	Jean, Jean, Jean, you have your blade.
	Very nice.
	Okay.
	All right, Christopher Gray, please step forward, sir!
	We have already provided you with the required Milfidge Karma for your lovely bride, Sandra.
	And now we would like to present you with your award.
	Unlike that douchebag Bono, this one's real.
	We pronounce the Sir Gray Knight of the No-A-Generian Roundtable for you, sir.
	Hookers and blow, rent boys and chardonnay, hot pants and booze, long-haired heavy metal guys and scotch, bunches and beer, rubinettes, women and rosé, gushes and sake, vodka and vanilla, bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider and escorts and mutt and mead.
	And you can share it with your lady.
	All of that.
	Wow, I'm good at that.
	I remember that so well.
	You've got that thing down.
	I got it down.
	I do.
	All right.
	So we've got a very interesting invitation.
	You know, we have our little dinner club here in Austin.
	Yeah, the discreet charm of the bourgeoisie club.
	What do you call it?
	It's a movie by Bunuel which perfectly describes the situation in which you're ensnared.
	Say it again?
	The discreet charm of the bourgeoisie.
	Well, yes.
	And so we have our next dinner.
	It will be on July 5th.
	Because Miss Mickey is going back to Amsterdam to do her foot project.
	And then she's going back for three days.
	She's coming back on the 4th.
	And on the 5th we have our next dinner.
	And so there's a little email that goes around.
	It's really beautiful.
	Actually, it's kind of funny because they always make fun of me on the email.
	They make fun of you?
	Oh, yeah.
	So Russ, the brain professor, he's like, I'm in Washington, D.C. Despite my association with you, I had no problem with my clearances into the White House.
	Oh, yeah.
	Gotcha.
	And I'm like, no, it's because of your association with me you had no problem.
	And then the other person is like, Laurie, he's like, have you ever requested your file on the Freedom of Information Act from the FBI? And I'm like, no, UPS doesn't ship anything over 50 pounds, thank you very much.
	So this is kind of the extent...
	So, we will have new guests at the table.
	This is very smart.
	This is very smart.
	These are new people all together?
	They haven't been...
	You've never met them?
	I have not met them.
	They are, however, in Austin, and...
	Why are you having them for dinner if you've never met them?
	No, no, no.
	The dinner party is at Lori's place.
	It's her turn.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay.
	And she is adding people to the mix.
	What about that woman that you insulted the last time you hit?
	Is she gone?
	Is she out of the group?
	Wait a minute.
	Who did I insult?
	Oh, no, no, no.
	That was a different dinner.
	That was with the gay friends.
	Oh, the gay dinners.
	You're just a party animal.
	Oh, yeah.
	How do you get any of these clips?
	I don't know how you have time.
	It's very hard.
	Well, even better, I have a clip of the new guest.
	How about that?
	I've got a clip of the guest.
	Oh, so you're moving up the ladder.
	Oh, yeah.
	They're actually clippable.
	They provide their own clips.
	Yeah.
	They're like, hey, we're having dinner with Curry.
	Let me send him a clip.
	A little teaser.
	This is James Pennebaker and his lovely wife.
	And I shall be reading both of their books.
	I have them on the Kindles, and I haven't told them that, of course.
	And I'm not going to say, hey, nice to meet you.
	I read your book.
	No, I'm going to sneak it in.
	Because they're professors, of course.
	And he is actually brain professor's boss.
	At the university here, that Longhorn thing, UT, Texas, University of Texas.
	But he wrote a book, which I thought would be, it's real no agenda material, I can't recommend it yet because I haven't really gotten into it, called The Secret Life of Pronouns.
	And he has developed not just a thesis, but computer software and all kinds of stuff that can help you detect people through people's use of language when they're lying.
	And in particular, when people are using something he has coined performatives.
	I don't know if he's coined it, but he calls them performatives.
	And I think it's going to be really interesting to meet this guy, but I wanted to play a little clip where he has clips inside his clip.
	And it's something that we follow all the time about how, in particular, presidents use particular phrases and language to lie to us.
	And I wanted to share that.
	Shall we listen to this for a moment?
	Oh, this sounds like a winner.
	Yeah.
	You know, language is a complicated world, especially when we're trying to understand how language differs when someone's telling the truth versus lying.
	Now, one thing that is common is that when people tell the truth, they tend to use the words like I, me, and my at higher rates than when they're lying, except under one circumstance.
	And this circumstance is one that was first studied by philosophers, and specifically a guy by the name of John Austin.
	Austin studied something called performatives.
	An example of this would be, I want you to know I'm holding a shovel.
	In the video he's holding a pen when he says this.
	Now, in reality, this is not a shovel.
	Nevertheless, what I just said, is it true or not?
	I want you to know I'm holding a shovel.
	In a weird kind of way, that's true.
	Why?
	Because the first part of that sentence, I want you to know, is true.
	I do really want you to know I'm holding a shovel.
	Now, I'm holding a shovel is completely false, but that's not the premise of the sentence.
	And that's what a performative is.
	Now, it so happens that this is used quite a bit.
	And I've seen it a lot, especially in politicians.
	I'd like to begin with one of my favorite lies of all times, and one that you may well know from Bill Clinton when he was president.
	But I want to say one thing to the American people.
	I want you to listen to me.
	I'm going to say this again.
	I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms.
	Lewinsky.
	Was that stunning or what?
	We just heard three powerful performatives right in a row.
	I want to say one thing to the American people.
	I want you to listen to me.
	I'm going to say this again.
	I did not have sexual relationships with that woman, Ms.
	Lewinsky.
	What he said was technically true.
	I want to say this again.
	I didn't have sex with that woman.
	Well, he was saying it again.
	He was being completely honest, except for the minor part about the big lie part.
	But from a pure linguistic and logical philosophical perspective, he was telling the truth.
	Let's finish this with a few recent presidents and other people who use performatives without any judgment on whether these people are telling the truth or not.
	And I want to say this to the television audience.
	I made my mistakes.
	I just want to tell you that when we negotiate, I'm going to, as I say, on my side, I've got $22 billion.
	And the American people have got to understand this, that this program won't go forward.
	And I want everybody to understand that this is a jobs issue.
	So, things like, let me be clear, the fact of the matter.
	This is all great stuff.
	Well, this is a guy you need to know.
	Yeah.
	I'm very excited.
	He's an expert at looking at structures.
	Yep.
	In other words, there's different ways that people deal with liars.
	I mean, especially when you deal with somebody who is a pathological liar, which is very difficult to catch, because this is like a game they play, but...
	Generally speaking, when you're dealing with liars, a normal process is using their body language and cues and other things, which sometimes never works.
	I mean, it's a good idea, but he's doing it by deconstructing the actual structure of what they say.
	Yeah, and it goes pretty deep.
	And of course now I'm really nervous because I'm going to be so conscious that he's like...
	Oh yeah, you're going to be lying.
	Hey, wait a minute, that's not true.
	Who are you trying to kid, Curry?
	Best podcast in the universe.
	Says who?
	He seems great.
	Yeah.
	He might get along famously.
	I'm going to have to temper myself though because I get excited.
	I have to calm down.
	It's dinner after all.
	Yeah, maybe he'll clam up when he's at dinner.
	He might be one of those guys who's not talking.
	He doesn't trust the outside.
	Maybe he's weird.
	I liked it very much, though.
	I like, because I learned this, and we have a word for it called a performative, and we are usually looking at the physical tells, which there are a lot of.
	And the coughs.
	Yeah, the coughs.
	And in his book, it's really all the small words.
	It's the pronouns.
	It's the I. It's the uh, the, am.
	All these little things and how people use those tells you if they're really full of crap or not.
	But the big ones, it's like the fact of the matter, let me be clear.
	Let me be clear doesn't mean it's true.
	Yeah, no, you're just being clear.
	Yeah, just being very clear.
	I'll talk slower.
	Let me tell the American people.
	Okay, it doesn't mean you're telling us the truth.
	That's very smart.
	So, this is a good example.
	This is the definition, the free dictionary of performative, which is kind of interesting because it's more than just that.
	It's relating to or being an utterance that performs an act or creates a state of affairs by the fact that it's being uttered under appropriate or conventional circumstances, and this includes...
	A justice of the peace uttering, I now pronounce you husband and wife.
	Yeah, what does that mean?
	Thus creating a legal union, or as one uttering, I promise, thus performing the act of promising.
	So anything that's a performative utterance is another definition.
	Demanding an utterance that constitutes some act, especially the act described by the verb.
	For example, I confess that I was...
	I was there.
	I confess that I was there is in itself a confession.
	It's also performative in the narrower sense.
	While I'd like you to meet, affecting an introduction, is performative only in the looser sense.
	This is a very interesting word, this performative thing.
	I'm going to look into this.
	I think we use it quite a bit.
	I think we use it a lot.
	And also, is it not possible, and this is probably what I'm most interested in, is can you defeat this?
	Or can you use this to your advantage?
	And how, you know, is it really close to neuro-linguistic programming?
	I mean, where is the line?
	Well, this is the question you'll be asking at dinner.
	Yes!
	I'll say, could you pass the potato salad?
	Is that any, just performatives, anything like, can it be used in a neuro-linguistic programming manner?
	Can I get it?
	Can I use it to make people send me money?
	Please?
	To support the show, of course.
	Obviously.
	It's going to be an interesting dinner.
	That's July 5th.
	I'll keep you appraised.
	You know, we actually do a show on July 4th.
	We're actually going to be working, the two of us.
	That's right.
	On the 4th of July.
	That's right.
	I'll have a flag hanging outside the door.
	Yes.
	And I've got this huge flag hanging off the balcony.
	I have a flag that hung above...
	Well...
	I have...
	You have a flag that hung at the...
	It's one of those souvenir flags.
	They hang the flag in front of the white, in front of the state house, and then they sell it?
	No, it was...
	It's not a bad idea, though, is it?
	I have here a certificate of authenticity.
	Right.
	We know those are never faked.
	Well, no, it's signed by...
	Commander Hill and Command Sergeant Major Menton.
	Eddie Hill?
	Yeah.
	To all who shall see these presents the flag of the United States of America accompanying this certificate has been proudly flown over Forward Operating Base Organ E, headquarter of Task Force White Kurahi.
	Oh, you got this when you're in Iraq.
	No, this is Afghanistan.
	This is the 101st Airborne Division.
	That's a nice flag to have.
	Presented to Mr.
	Adam Curry in sincere appreciation for your support and sacrifice.
	For my sacrifices, John.
	Yeah, well, there's that.
	I always tell him I don't feel good about the things you send me.
	I really don't feel good about that.
	I'll take the flag and I love the certificate, but the standard language really doesn't apply to me.
	They could have customized it.
	You're a douchebag.
	I would have loved that.
	For your douchebaggery, while we're here eating sand, you douchebag, here's a flag.
	So Erdogan of Turkey, did you hear what he said?
	I've heard a lot of what he said.
	What are you referring to?
	He's saying...
	Well, this is translated, of course.
	He's saying that what's happening here is the same forces, foreign forces, who are stoking the protest in Brazil.
	The same game is now being played over in Brazil, Erdogan said.
	The symbols are the same.
	The protesters, the posters are the same.
	Twitter, Facebook are the same.
	The international media is the same.
	The protests are being led from the same center.
	They are doing their best to achieve in Brazil what they could not achieve in Turkey.
	It's the same game, the same trap, the same aim.
	And the goal of this, and the rationale, the goal, I mean the motive.
	Regime change.
	Regime change?
	Well, you know, the Brazil thing is not...
	Yeah, well, it might be true in Turkey, but Brazil, they have regime changes constantly.
	Yeah.
	So this Brazil thing doesn't apply.
	I think that's wrong.
	Well, I'm not saying it.
	Erdogan is saying it.
	Who is he accusing?
	CIA. The Russians or the Americans or who?
	Americans.
	I think he's accusing the Americans.
	I think he's accusing the Americans.
	That seems more like a Russian ploy.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	And here's a little Federal Register note that popped up.
	Remember we had...
	Well, actually, I can just read it to you.
	This is from the President.
	Hey, Mr.
	Speaker!
	Mr.
	President!
	Certain U.S. forces recently deployed to Jordan solely to participate in a training exercise.
	We talked about this, which was...
	A lot.
	Early Eagle, I think it was.
	This exercise ended on June 20th, 2013.
	At the request of the government of Jordan, a combat-equipped detachment of approximately 700 of these forces remained in Jordan after the conclusion of the exercise to join other US forces already in Jordan.
	The detachment that participated in the exercise and remained in Jordan includes Patriot missile systems, fighter aircraft, and related support, command, control, and communications personnel and systems.
	The detachment will remain in Jordan in full coordination with the government of Jordan until the security situation becomes such that it is no longer needed.
	This is unbelievable.
	Which is never, by the way.
	The guy just, and this is the letter from the President regarding the War Powers Resolution.
	So under War Powers Resolution, he's saying, I'm just going to deploy 700 guys.
	Yeah, in addition.
	Yeah, to whatever was already there.
	How many people are already there?
	Is that that crazy colonel?
	God knows.
	Yeah, yeah.
	God knows.
	The deployment of this detachment has been directed in furtherance of U.S. national security.
	Oh, it's protecting us.
	And foreign policy interests.
	Yeah.
	Including the important national interest in supporting the security of Jordan and promoting regional stability.
	You are a war criminal.
	Yeah.
	You're just defending the guy at the beginning of the show.
	Now you're calling him a war criminal.
	Make up your mind.
	He's a nice war criminal.
	I like him.
	What about the Flight 800 thing keeps getting murkier?
	Yeah, I think...
	I have a feeling this is...
	This feels like more a distraction than anything.
	I'm not quite sure why.
	I don't see this as a distraction because it's not getting as much play.
	It gets kind of a mention here and there.
	But more guys keep coming out of the woodwork saying, hey, this is bullcrap.
	Hold on a second.
	Where are you seeing the promo?
	Because this is...
	It's just scattered.
	I don't have a...
	No, that's not true.
	It's a new TV network.
	It's not a new...
	It's like a Netflix network.
	This is their thing.
	This is their big documentary.
	It's on a...
	It doesn't mean it's all bull crap just because somebody's, you know, doing a little PR for it.
	No, but there's no...
	I mean, it's just riling up the same old theory where we know this thing was brought down by some kind of shoulder-fired missile.
	Duh!
	Well, I think I have the passenger manifest.
	Oh, well, okay.
	How it was brought down is irrelevant versus who was brought down.
	That is very interesting.
	Well, there's a number of...
	Lots of bankers are on this flight.
	Oh, okay.
	Interesting.
	They took out a lot of bankers.
	Then they took out the guy who was the senior systems engineer for the Aegis missile system.
	I thought that was interesting.
	Yeah.
	So they got rid of him.
	But the one that gets me, and I'm still looking into this one, because Mohamed Farad...
	Killed.
	And on the list of one of these websites, it says, we don't know too much why this guy was killed, but he was one of the guys who did business with Ron Brown on the Ivory Coast.
	And we know Ron Brown was assassinated.
	He was the Secretary of Commerce under Clinton.
	And he was killed, and around the time that this plane went down, within the same time frame.
	And there was a whole bunch of guys that died, and of course then we ended up getting back to the Clinton kill list, and I found another good version of it.
	The Clinton body count.
	The body count.
	One of the body count websites.
	There's a bunch of them, but I think we have one linked in the show notes that I think you'll enjoy.
	Yes, I put it under two to the head.
	The Clinton body count, which you sent, it was very interesting, you sent this to me, and you said, wow, I hadn't really tracked this for a while, and it's grown.
	It has.
	And I put Hastings on there, they haven't put him on there yet.
	No, he's not on yet.
	But then I said, oh my god, I had just planned on bringing up the Obama body count.
	And do you want to just, because when you think about how many people have died in association with the Obama administration, let's just put it politely.
	Yeah, but this is all during the Hillary Clinton Secretary of State.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I had forgotten how many people have croaked.
	Oh, it goes back further?
	Oh my God!
	Okay, I'm all ears now.
	Okay, Mama Louise Anderson.
	79 and her 52-year-old daughter Zelda White, the two women aid workers who were shot dead in Nairobi, Kenya in 2008.
	Of course, you know, they probably, you know, the rumor was that they probably knew something about the true origins of the president.
	Lieutenant Colonel Christopher Rabel and Sergeant Bradley Atwell died in Camp Bastion.
	That was three days after Benghazi.
	Has never been talked about, by the way.
	No one has really brought, even we haven't brought that up.
	Mohammed Bakhti, this is the Tunisian guy that they had to get rid of because, of course, Tunisia helped set up the fake kidnapping that went wrong.
	Jeff Joe Black found dead on a hiking trail from blunt force trauma to the head.
	He's the Chicago activist who claimed that Rahm Emanuel was put into place in Chicago to oversee a coming false flag event.
	Larry Bland and Nate Spencer, two members of the Trinity Church, murdered at the same time.
	Andrew Breitbart, of course.
	Steve Bridges.
	Remember this guy?
	The impersonator who offended President Obama?
	Remember the guy who did Bush?
	Yeah, he did Obama.
	And then he did Obama, and then he died?
	I don't remember him dying.
	Yeah, we talked about it.
	Oh, we must have talked about it, but I forgot about that.
	This is August 2011.
	Yeah, the guy does an impression of Obama.
	No wonder none of these impressionists do Obama.
	Well, what happened to that guy?
	The best impression was this guy.
	Well, what happened?
	He's dead.
	Yeah.
	Murdered by...
	I think he won't do that impression.
	And he died by anaphylaxis.
	This is like, you know, eating a bad peanut, essentially, and being allergic.
	It's shellfish poisoning.
	Robin Copeland, former Energy Department official who took part in several significant disarmament programs, died suddenly.
	People always die with heart attacks or some weird thing, all very young.
	Yeah, prussic acid.
	Michael Cormier, forensic technician.
	He's the guy who was the coroner on Breitbart.
	Remember?
	That guy died.
	Remember that?
	Yeah.
	Madeleine Payne Dunham, Obama's grandmother, died two days before the general election.
	He flew out to see her for one hour alone.
	No records cremated immediately.
	Ashes dispersed.
	That's kind of crude.
	Beverly Eckert, Oh, yeah.
	Of course, Extortion 17, that is the Chinook helicopter, call sign Extortion 17, shot down while transporting the Navy SEALs.
	Right.
	Yeah, we found that to be suspicious.
	Yeah.
	Bill Gwatney, close friend of Bill and Hillary Clinton, a Clinton superdelegate, Was fatally shot in 2008.
	Shooter had a post-it note with a mystery phone number.
	I'm not quite sure why that was linked to Obama.
	Lieutenant queries Harris Jr.
	key witness in federal probe into passport information stolen from the State Department.
	Oh, remember that?
	That's also Hillary.
	Yeah, but what's interesting, Obama's passport breach unanswered questions.
	Harris worked for a security firm run by John Brennan.
	Later to be a terrorism advisor to Obama, listed as detail in YouTube video, was an employee of John Brennan when murdered, and Brennan, of course, is now head of the CIA. Andy P. Hart, Guantanamo attorney, assigned to defend Mohammed Rahim al-Afghani, and he died.
	Michael Hastings is in here.
	Hazem, Benghazi attack suspect, dies in Cairo shootouts.
	Stephanie Tubbs Jones...
	She's the one that crashed her car in the garage.
	Remember that?
	Some of these are ludicrous.
	Yeah.
	David Kochman, Murdered in Chicago, Rush Street Brawl by a nephew of Mayor Daley and White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley.
	The Crim Children.
	Oh yeah, that was the writer.
	No, wait a minute.
	Yeah, CNBC's Exec Children.
	That's right.
	Nanny Stabbed Herself Upon Mother's Arrival.
	Uh-huh.
	Kamkwata.
	We know who that is.
	That was the guy who told people about the weird Obama ritual going on at the National Assembly.
	What do you call it?
	His name was Kamkwata?
	Kamkwata.
	And he wound up dead?
	Yeah, I remember that, vaguely.
	Chris Kyle, of course, American sniper.
	We know him.
	Got no props, even though he was a prominent SEAL. Yep, he just died.
	Marco McMillan, Mississippi's first gay mayoral candidate, 34, beaten and burned, body dumped out on the riverbank.
	Stephanie Moses, NYPD sergeant photographed with Obama at 9-11 ceremony, found dead in apparent suicide.
	And this is a pretty good document.
	I mean, the list goes on and on and on and on and on.
	And of course there's all the gay guys in Chicago who got killed.
	There's the gay kid who was working for the Obama campaign in Chicago headquarters who dropped dead.
	Everyone's a heart attack with who's around here.
	Everybody's a fucking heart attack.
	So it's a pretty good list.
	Yeah, that's a damn good list.
	And I like this list because it has a lot of links to the original stories.
	Now, your Clinton body count, I mean, that list, they've categorized it by numbers.
	Yeah, no, it's like the Library of Congress has done so much work on it.
	It's as much information as the Library of Congress.
	Yeah.
	So, you know, maybe, you know, if you're just, if you're well-known, maybe just, you know, when people die around you, it's just, you know.
	But I don't know that many people who've died of horrible deaths just around me.
	I know a lot of people.
	Yeah, just over a couple of years.
	This is not like a lifetime of people dropping dead.
	Lifetime Achievement Award.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, I know people that have died too that are, you know, here and there, but it's not more than a few dozen people.
	Yeah, and it's not like, you know, burning up in your garage.
	Yeah, and they're all just, yeah, they died in their sleep or something.
	They weren't roaming around.
	Yeah.
	They're in the hospital.
	They had cancer.
	Yeah.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, by the way.
	Steve Jobs took forever to die.
	Right.
	It's not like these guys just dropped dead.
	By the way, take a look at the list and you tell me how many of these people died of cancer.
	None.
	None.
	Right, which is very suspicious.
	Almost everyone I know, most of them actually have died from cancer.
	So on Tuesday, it will be a very, very big day, and I'll be paying a lot of attention and working very, very hard on everybody's behalf, so you don't have to.
	And that means mainly there will be documents to read, lots of documents, and I can already tell you what it's going to be.
	We will be shutting down the coal plants.
	With new regulation or rules or law of rule or whatever it is.
	And the president has done a little promo video, which he has on the whitehouse.gov.
	...that America would respond to the growing threat of climate change for the sake of our children and future generations.
	This Tuesday at Georgetown University, I'll lay out my vision for where I believe we need to go.
	A national plan to reduce carbon pollution, prepare our country for the impacts of climate change, and lead global efforts to fight it.
	This is a serious challenge, but it's one uniquely suited to America's strengths.
	Now I want to say something about this video.
	The music track is very loud, and I tried to sound-hound it, and it sounds like a Jay-Z track who stole it from Prince.
	It sounds like Diamonds and Pearls is what it sounds like.
	But it has kind of a Jay-Z vibe to it, kind of like in New York.
	But why does he have to have this whole stylized thing and the music?
	And of course, again, we're seeing waves crashing up against the Jersey Shore.
	He didn't put polar bears in this time, but...
	So Tuesday, Tuesday, don't miss it, Tuesday.
	We'll need scientists to design new fuels and farmers to grow them.
	We'll design new fuels and tell you how farmers can grow them.
	Nice.
	Engineers to devise new sources of energy and businesses to make and sell them.
	We'll need workers to build the foundation for a clean energy economy.
	And we'll need all of our citizens to do our part to preserve God's creation for future generations.
	Our forests and waterways, our croplands and snow-capped peaks.
	There's no single step that can reverse the effects of climate change.
	But when it comes to the world we leave our children, we owe it to them to do what we can.
	So I hope you'll share this message with your friends.
	Because this is a challenge that affects everyone.
	And we all have a stake in solving it together.
	I hope to see you Tuesday.
	Thanks.
	Call me diamonds and pearls.
	That's kind of a creepy thing.
	Weird, isn't it?
	That music stinks, by the way.
	Did you ever notice that the Brits have a complimentary operation?
	Of course, this is how they exchange data.
	They spy on us, and we spy on them, and then we give you stuff.
	Yeah, they've got the GQ or whatever.
	GCH2. Have you ever looked at their building?
	Tell me what it reminds you of.
	It reminds me of either a Mercedes logo or kind of like a steering wheel.
	It's the Apple building.
	Yeah, the new one you mean.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, interesting.
	But they have like kind of some weird star configuration over three points.
	There's a three-point deal on there, yeah.
	Three-point deal.
	It's a three-point deal.
	It's a nice design.
	It's a hell of a building.
	It's a nice design.
	Yeah, except if you're on one end, you have to get to the other.
	Actually, there's a bunch.
	I guess you can cut through.
	It's a huge building.
	You can cut through.
	Hey, what are you doing?
	I'm cutting through.
	The courtyard.
	You can't cut through here.
	I have two things to wind up with.
	I got the minister of the UK, Gitmo Nation East minister of, I guess he's agriculture or something.
	And you know that the European Union is against genetically modified crops.
	They say they are, but there's all kinds of evidence that they're not.
	Yeah, this would be one of them.
	So they've got a field where they're testing some stuff.
	And this is a whole report, and I just got a little clip of it because I thought that was kind of funny.
	The guy's clearly trying to sway our opinion of genetically modified foods and crops.
	Yeah.
	The Environment Secretary wants to rehabilitate GM technology.
	It'll help to feed the world's billions, he says, and put the UK at the forefront of an agricultural and economic revolution.
	In very large parts of the world, this isn't some strange, spooky innovation being led by funny professors with spiky hair and flapping coats.
	This is an absolute standard part of everyday life.
	No, I think it is done by you.
	It's very funny.
	Okay.
	And I want to say hello to our friends in Australia, who a lot of them listen, a lot of them support the show.
	A lot of them have said, thank you so much for recognizing that we really, we actually kind of really do hate it when you talk about Australia and you do a stupid, lame-ass Australian accent.
	I think I got confirmation that that is quite annoying to them, so I'm not going to do it.
	I will, however, play this bit, which is a piece of news, which is all about the pedo bear down under.
	Well, New South Wales police have admitted shredding all documents of the force's involvement with a key Catholic church body set up to deal with sex abuse cases.
	The sex crime squad officer on the church body destroyed all her documents after each meeting.
	The top level group established by the church's bishops met monthly with a senior police woman for at least three hours over many years.
	After being contacted by Lakeline, the New South Wales Police Minister Mike Gallagher has now demanded an urgent briefing from his police commissioner.
	And the former director of public prosecutions in New South Wales has described the police actions as destroying evidence.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You think?
	The public person does that.
	The next thing you know, they're in the slammer.
	Yeah.
	So let me see.
	So you had a meeting, and like, oh, man.
	Oh, damn.
	We got some problems here.
	We got these bishops and sodomizing kids.
	Good meeting.
	All right, everybody.
	All right.
	Who's shredding today?
	Good meeting.
	Well, I have one last clip from the...
	Can you bring us out?
	Can you lift us up?
	Can you lift our...
	Oh, yeah, yeah, this will do it.
	Uplifting and make us feel great?
	Every clip that I've closed the show with has always been uplifting, and this will be one of them.
	This is, again, the caucus.
	They were talking to the helpers of the congressmen.
	And this is from the ACLU woman.
	And you know, ACLU is always uplifting.
	This is the American Civil Liberties Union.
	Yes, it's a group of lawyers that sues everybody every time anybody's liberties are violated, no matter who they are.
	Right.
	And this is the clip called Good One from the ACLU. So far, Congress has allowed the intelligence committees to do secret oversight of secret programs allowed under secret court orders, and it has led to the collection of every American's phone calls.
	This cannot continue.
	We need to pull this information out into the public sphere so the rank and file members can understand what they've authorized, so the public can understand how the government spies on them, and people can make an informed decision about whether these programs should continue.
	But secret oversight is not working, and from the information that's been leaked over the last couple of weeks, it's pretty clear that some of this information has unnecessarily been kept secret, and that your bosses, with your advice, need to make some very strong decisions here about what's appropriate.
	Yeah, sounds like there's a lot of secret things going on.
	Secret?
	Secret.
	I thought this was the most transparent administration in the history of the universe.
	My goodness.
	All right, everybody.
	That's going to have to do it.
	We need to move on with things.
	Got to produce this show.
	Dare I ask if you're going to go up north today, John?
	Are you going up north?
	No, no, no.
	I've got some stuff to do.
	Looks like there will be a No Agenda producer update on the stream, so all of y'all can stay tuned for that.
	That's funny, actually.
	I got an email from the White House.
	Did you get the email from the White House?
	I get a lot of emails from the White House.
	You might as well read yours.
	Well, it was just funny the way it opened.
	This is from some woman.
	You always want $5 for some reason.
	Well, this is about the nonpartisan experts who estimate the financial.
	This is about the immigration bill.
	But it starts off with, hi, all.
	I'm like, oh, my God.
	Hi, all?
	Yes!
	That's what it is.
	Hi, all.
	Yeah, I know exactly.
	That's exactly what it is.
	I can't believe she actually said hi, all.
	I mean, wow.
	Hi, all.
	Well, hi, all to you, everybody.
	And thank you very much for being with us.
	Remember, Dvorak.org slash NA is where you can support the program so we can bring you more of this.
	And we look forward to doing that.
	Exactly that.
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	And from northern Silicon Valley, the Mecca of Tecca, I'm John C. Dvorak.
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