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June 20, 2013 - No Agenda

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523: by Law and by Rule

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	Oh, you can't do that!
	Adam Couric, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, June 20th, 2013.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 523.
	This is No Agenda.
	It's the super soul New York Kowalski here at the Travis Heights Hideout in Austin Tay House in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Kvorak.
	What the hell is that?
	I was trying to stretch it out.
	Well, make up some more words instead of stretching out the words.
	I mean, after I berated the Linux and the Hamshack guys, who then, of course, went right back and said, those guys, they got easy talking.
	They spend three hours jerking each other off!
	Is that what somebody said?
	Pretty much.
	Good for them.
	So, yeah, exactly.
	Right on.
	And you listen to it.
	We need some critics.
	Nah, it's alright.
	I was critical of them, that's why.
	Yeah, you deserve it.
	It's a quid pro quo.
	It's exactly, we're done.
	You can be critical of somebody who has a microphone.
	We're done, we're done.
	Expect it back.
	Exactly.
	Hey man, has it been six weeks?
	No, six weeks comes from the last real incident, I believe, is on the week of July the 4th.
	Yeah.
	What did you see?
	Oh, my God.
	Well, first, let's listen to the George Stephanopoulos report, who...
	On Good Morning America?
	Yes, on Good Morning America, the former Clinton operative has this to report.
	Straight out of Ray Bradbury.
	The FBI has arrested two men for wanting to kill people, including the president, with a ray gun.
	They say the men tried to create a device that would suddenly zap out invisible and lethal x-rays, radiation powerful enough to kill.
	It seems senior justice correspondent Pierre Thomas has the file on this bizarre arrest.
	We've seen death rays in science fiction movies.
	But today, the FBI charged two upstate New York men, Eric Feit and Glenn Crawford, a self-described engineer and Klan member, with building a workable death ray.
	I like this.
	And Klan member with a workable death?
	So he had like Wiley E. Coyote.
	He's got plans from Acme Corp to build a death ray.
	This particular device would be capable of emitting x-ray radiation.
	This device would have been capable of doing that and killing people.
	The murderer's plan allegedly called for attaching an industrial-grade x-ray machine to a specially designed triggering device stored in a truck.
	The weapon would be mobile, shooting concentrated doses of radiation on unsuspected targets who would die within two weeks.
	Among the potential target sources say Muslims and President Obama.
	So I'm like, wow, this is great.
	How would they even get within a million miles of President Obama?
	No, but it's a death ray, John.
	Don't you understand?
	All they need to do is park the van outside the White House and aim the beam.
	Park it in the White House parking lot for that.
	And aim the beam.
	I mean, this is...
	I can't believe that Stephanopoulos can actually sit there and read this news report seriously, this intro.
	MSNBC, I have to say, the douchebag there, he had the real information, which is just hilarious when you hear what this story really is.
	This is a very odd story.
	You've got the details, though, for us.
	Yes, indeed.
	It is an odd story.
	And we should point out before we go through all of this that the FBI says these men never pose any danger because they never got the support they thought they were getting.
	All the people who they met with who agreed to help them turned out to be either informants or undercover agents.
	The whole country's informants.
	Yeah.
	It's just a whole bunch of people like, hey, man.
	Hey.
	I got a great idea.
	We're going to help you build a death ray.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we can get rid of them Muslims.
	Yeah.
	And that head honcho Muslim.
	We can get rid of him with a death ray.
	Yeah, man.
	How stupid are we?
	Well, that's Stephanopoulos.
	He's going to run it straight.
	The guy has no shame to do that.
	He just has no shame.
	Have you seen the ratings on that show?
	He's got no shame because he's making millions.
	He's through the roof.
	He's probably getting about $12 million a year.
	I actually was going to say $15.
	I think he must be $15.
	It could be $15.
	It's unreal.
	Considering we get like, you know, $200 here and there.
	Yeah, okay.
	But you know what?
	I can sleep at night.
	Yeah, well, that's true.
	Well, if you're going to play crazy stuff, I got the craziest.
	Oh, no, no.
	Don't tell me you watched it.
	Of course.
	It's your job.
	I agree.
	It is my job.
	This is my segment.
	In fact, here's the deal.
	You berated me for missing the Miss America beauty pageant.
	I did.
	I was very disappointed.
	You berated me.
	Yes.
	So I said, okay, all right, I've taken this assignment.
	Yep.
	And I'm going to go with it.
	Now, before you say anything, may I point out that Wikipedia now has an entry known as Dvorak's Law.
	You can look it up.
	Dvorak's Law states, the worse the economy, not only do the hookers get better looking, but they get cheaper.
	Yeah.
	I'll be known for that.
	Thanks.
	It's on Wikipedia, and it's irrevocable.
	You cannot erase it.
	And this is a subset.
	Is it an agenda page?
	Where is it?
	No, it has its own wiki entry.
	Yeah, just Google Dvorak's law.
	Ah, you stopped me in my tracks.
	I think you have to do wiki.
	I don't think it's gotten the Google juice just yet.
	Law wiki.
	Where is it?
	Maybe.
	Oh, here it is.
	No, no.
	And maybe it's gone.
	Yeah.
	No, that can't be.
	No.
	It's gone already?
	Now, hold on a second.
	Those guys at Wikipedia, they don't like us.
	But it's...
	Let me just see.
	No, Dvorak's Law.
	It is Dvorak's underscore law.
	Well, it didn't show up on a Google search.
	What's wrong with Google?
	Let me try Bing.
	Here it says, Dvorak's law is proposed that this article be deleted because of the following concern.
	Does not appear to be a notable law.
	Hey!
	Gotta make it notable.
	This is crap.
	A search failed to find enough reliable coverage about it.
	Well, this is no good.
	And I guess then they block search engines from...
	Hey, hold on a second.
	Stop the presses.
	Google could not find it, but Bing found it in the number one search.
	Yeah, so they're in cahoots.
	No, Google's obviously...
	Yeah, Google's in cahoots with Wiki.
	Yeah, and they're biased against your law.
	Yeah, well, apparently.
	This is an outrage.
	However, you can address this concern by improving, copy editing, sourcing, renaming, or merging the page.
	All right, people, get to work.
	The thing is, it only has one reference, and it's from me.
	I guess that was a tip-off.
	A lot of people heard it.
	I'll vouch.
	Proposed deletion as of 19th of June.
	That's pretty funny.
	Anyway, so this is a subset, and you guys should start in the chat room, perhaps.
	You should start filling out the page, because this is a part of Dvorak's Law, as he faithfully tracks all beauty pageants that are televised in the universe.
	Go.
	Okay, so here we go.
	So there was a big stink.
	I thought this was a cover-up for what was going on in this beauty pageant.
	Me too.
	I'm right on board.
	Outrageous political questions of these dumb women.
	Who are smoking hot, by the way.
	Oh, this group was dynamite.
	The two that won, Connecticut and Alabama.
	I thought Miss Alabama, until you hear her talk, was absolutely stunning.
	But she turns out to be a fascist.
	Yeah.
	Mm-hmm.
	So here's what happened.
	This got all the news coverage.
	Apparently Miss Utah, who looks like an Icelandic woman, she's amazingly Icelandic.
	Her eyes are just a millimeter too wide.
	But that's fine.
	She was gorgeous.
	She answered this idiotic question, and this got all over the news.
	This is Miss Utah.
	Not just on the news, but this is what people were blogging us.
	I was surprised that people were tweeting and sending this link.
	I'm like, do you listen to our show?
	Do you know how to look through the BS? Apparently not.
	Judge number three.
	NeNe Leakes.
	Your question, please.
	A recent report shows that in 40% of American families with children, women are the primary earners, yet they continue to earn less than men.
	What does this say about society?
	I think we can relate this back to education and how we are continuing to try to strive to We need to figure out how to create jobs right now.
	That was the biggest problem.
	And I think especially the men are seen as the leaders of this.
	And so we need to try to figure out how to create education better so that we can solve this problem.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Utah.
	Thank you, sweetheart.
	You're an idiot.
	So, she's actually, you have to remember, she's from Utah.
	Why this question was asked in the first place is beyond me, but she's from Utah, and so she's probably a Mormon, and she's thinking when they're asking the question, she's thinking to herself, what?
	Women work?
	Women work?
	Oh my God.
	Hold on, hold on.
	And so she was completely befuddled by that concept.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	I can tell you this was, this is all scripted.
	You know, these questions are not.
	Oh yeah, no.
	You'll see how scripted they are.
	No, I know they're scripted.
	So I think she just blew the lines.
	You know, she just, the answer was there.
	She knew what to say.
	It was just, it was, it happens.
	It happens.
	This is not because she's dumb.
	This is just, you know, it's your moment, it's your acting moment, and you mess it up.
	And people who, if you emailed or tweeted this link to either John or I, turn off the podcast now.
	Go away.
	Go away.
	Because you should know by now.
	This is all scripted.
	All she did was, isn't that dumb?
	All she did, she just made, she just flubbed the lines.
	That's all.
	So, and by the way, if one of these women, and when you hear the rest of the, I've got four more of these, they're all short, less than a minute, but when you hear the questions and how lame they are and how political they are, if just one of these women would say, you know, I don't think it's appropriate to be asking these sorts of political questions, which are loaded, and it's probably just to make us look stupid, I really find it insulting, and that's all I've got to say, I would be this woman's fan, I'd follow her on Twitter.
	I mean, we don't get any of that.
	Instead, we get this kind of weirdness.
	Hey, do you want to build an x-ray machine, too, while you're at it?
	So here we go.
	Now, we're going to go with...
	Now, the one that I thought was the best-looking of the group was Miss Alabama.
	Yeah.
	But she comes...
	Now, they ask her a loaded question, and she just...
	All these women give the worst kind of answer to make them look like either idiots or Nazis.
	And Miss Alabama looks like a Nazi.
	Yeah.
	Alright, next let's have Alabama join us.
	Alabama.
	Please reach in and select a card.
	You went for the middle.
	You went for the middle.
	Okay.
	Judge number two, Wendy Malick, your question please for Alabama.
	Government tracking of phone records has been in the news lately.
	Is this an invasion of privacy or necessary to keep our country safe?
	Why or why not?
	I think the society that we live in today, it's sad that if we go to the movies or to the airport or even to the mall that we have to worry about our safety.
	So I would rather someone track my telephone messages and feel safe wherever I go than feel like they're encroaching on my privacy.
	Whoa!
	Hey, that's a big word there, that encroaching word.
	Hmm, I wonder where she heard that in the script.
	Unbelievable.
	First of all, I loved her teeth.
	Man, could they be any whiter?
	I've got to wear shades because of this girl's teeth.
	But that was so funny.
	Of course, that's completely fascist because she is encouraging corporatism.
	I find it hilarious that the things that we're doing is going to the mall, going to the movie theater...
	What was the other one?
	I forgot the other one.
	It's like, I want to feel safe.
	Airport.
	That's right.
	I've got to go travel to go to another mall.
	Go to another mall.
	What an idiot.
	All right.
	So then we go on and we get Miss South Carolina, who's a very, very pretty black woman.
	She is just gorgeous and kind of cheery.
	Cheerleader like it.
	Miss South...
	What is she?
	South Carolina?
	Yeah.
	Now, the thing about this...
	This one...
	Now I'm wondering about what's wrong with South Carolina, because this is the state that had that crazy Miss Teen who kept saying however, and people can't find the United States on a map because of South Africa, and she went on and on with it.
	She was the worst answer anywhere.
	This woman is in competition with her.
	Huh?
	I didn't understand.
	I didn't do the clip, but every once in a while I bring this clip on the show where Miss South Carolina, in some pageant, answered the question, so many people cannot find the United States on a map.
	What do you think this is?
	And she goes on with this whatever, however, and she says, because of South Africa and feeding the poor, and she just went off the rails.
	And this one damn near beats it.
	South Carolina, it is your turn.
	South Carolina.
	Go ahead.
	All right.
	Let's see who you got.
	Judge number nine, Christina Milian.
	Hey, hold on a second.
	How come we can't get this gig?
	Tell me.
	They've got nine judges, and judge number nine is Christina Milian, the idiot from The Voice.
	Hey, Carson!
	Hey!
	That's who judge number nine is?
	Yeah.
	And we can't get this gig?
	And by the way, just the way they're doing these questions, I'm almost convinced that they have a list of questions, and they say, oh, this is Miss South Carolina, this is what she gets asked.
	Yeah, let's give this one.
	Please give us your question.
	Hey!
	Should people who leave classified documents in the name of public information be charged with treason and stuff?
	Why or why not?
	Wow.
	You know, I feel bad I didn't watch this show now.
	You should, but all you have to do is watch the end because that's where this craziness is.
	You can't write this stuff.
	Is this what we're doing?
	I don't believe that they should be charged with treason.
	Personally, I think that being a part of this country, we have been given specific documents for specific reasons.
	Our lawmakers have put that into their decision for certain reasons.
	And if we feel the need to have to show those documents, then I think that we should show them.
	Show me your documents, girl.
	What?
	What did she say?
	Mm-hmm.
	I don't know.
	Smoke was coming out of her ears, I think.
	She said, if we are given documents, we have to...
	This is actually another fact.
	She doesn't even know what the woman's talking about.
	If one of them would just go like, hi, everybody, that would be funny.
	We should be writing this show.
	She goes and she goes off the rails and pretty much saying that we should all have documents and we have to show them when the authorities ask.
	Show me your papers.
	Show me your Google documents.
	That's what she said.
	I know.
	I know.
	But this is...
	My God.
	We're so lost.
	Oh, totally.
	This is the worst thing I've ever seen.
	This is the worst.
	So they finally come to the winner.
	This is the woman who won, by the way, the last one, which is Connecticut.
	Oh, of course.
	We could have called this.
	Yeah, we could have called.
	We could have called this easily.
	Oh, we could have easily called this.
	Obviously, it's Connecticut because of the school shooting.
	Did she have a question about Sandy Hook by any chance?
	No, they didn't go that far, but this is almost as bad, and she's another fascist.
	Let me just look at her first before you ruin it with this clip.
	Let me see.
	She's the brunette?
	I think so.
	She's pretty.
	She's kind of like a...
	Diamond Dozen.
	Kind of, yeah, Diamond Dozen.
	But a bit like Cindy Crawford used to look.
	Kind of.
	Yeah, a little probably prettier.
	In a Diamond Dozen way.
	I mean, there's a lot of...
	No, yeah, Diamond Dozen.
	And what is she, five foot six?
	No, no, I think she's...
	No, she's not tall.
	The tall one was Texas, who had the best dress on.
	Texas is always awesome, babes.
	But she wasn't as pretty as the other girls, and they had to bring her in with some gimmick.
	They had this stupid gimmick.
	Let me explain this.
	So they had the top five at the end.
	First of all, here's the problem I have with this show.
	They start the show off with these 50 beautiful women.
	And they come out and they introduce them all and say, we're cutting it down to 15, and then we're going to have the bathing suits.
	I'm saying, why can't we see 50 women in bathing suits?
	Yeah, really, this is a mistake.
	I thought it was a huge mistake, and then all the women are hustled off, and a lot of them are very pretty, and who knows how...
	And are you just left clawing at your screen, like, no!
	No!
	Yeah, pretty much.
	And so then you get the 15 come out, and then they cut that down to 10, and then they cut it down to 5 real fast.
	They're moving along.
	So this is Brooke Daniels?
	And then they have some bogus thing.
	If you tweet the name of the one you want, we can save one from the 5 that have been kicked off.
	Is this Brooke Daniels is Miss Texas?
	I don't know.
	She has a mean look about her.
	That could be.
	Whatever the case.
	They brought Miss Texas back.
	What?
	So there were six at the end.
	Oh, okay.
	I get it.
	It's a gimmick.
	Oh, TV. Wow.
	Okay, so here's our last contestant.
	This is going to nail it?
	This is going to knock it out of the park?
	Well, the other women, if you heard their answers, all of them are like that.
	They just...
	Stammering.
	They didn't know what the guy was talking about.
	Documents.
	Yeah, I got documents.
	It's like they're a bunch of idiots.
	Or at least...
	Hey, here's the deal.
	Let me stop right here.
	If we could just get these beauty contestants to listen to No Agenda...
	Yeah, really?
	They would nail these questions.
	It would be a beautiful thing.
	Yeah.
	They would do them good.
	But they don't.
	So here we go.
	All right, Miss Connecticut.
	Down to our last two.
	Connecticut, please join us and select a car.
	Hey, Connecticut.
	Go ahead.
	Judge number seven, Mo Rocca, your question, please.
	Peace.
	Ms.
	Connecticut, the Supreme Court ruled that criminal suspects can be subjected to a police DNA test after arrest.
	Do you agree or disagree with this, and why or why not?
	I would agree with this.
	I think that if somebody's being prosecuted and is committed a crime that's that severe, that they should have a DNA test.
	I think there are so many crimes going on in this world that if that's one step closer to figuring out who has done it, I think we should absolutely do so.
	Thank you, Connecticut.
	It's pre-crime.
	That's right, baby.
	Hey, we picked you up.
	You're guilty.
	Anyway, so that's your last fascist.
	Good work.
	Good work.
	But wow, what questions.
	I mean, this is really kind of disgusting.
	They used to ask questions like, do you like red or blue?
	I mean, which makes more sense.
	No, there were always kind of like world peace questions you could do.
	Yeah, a little bit.
	What are you getting about the starving children in Africa?
	But these questions are current events and they're a little edgy.
	For these women.
	Fascinating.
	That is my report.
	Yeah, very good report, John.
	Congratulations.
	There will be another one in six months when another one of these things shows up.
	Please, please.
	No, we can't have that.
	This world.
	We can't have more of that.
	That's impossible.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Well, while you were doing that, I was watching C-SPAN. Well, I was watching C-SPAN, too, and I have toppers for you.
	Go on.
	Well, I was...
	I mean, there was a couple things I watched, and maybe we should mix and match up the C-SPAN stuff, because, of course, we had...
	Professor had Dr.
	Mueller back again for a second round, and the most important thing that...
	That seems to be the meme that is being propagated by everybody now is obviously, you know, these programs that we have of spying on U.S. persons, and I'll explain that later, they're so cool, so great, so fantastical, that if we had only had them, we could have stopped 9-11.
	So, here he is.
	We're talking about billions of phone numbers.
	How many...
	Yes, but let me, if I could, say two things.
	You are going to get, I know we're working through the list of numbers, or not numbers, the list of cases.
	And of those, domestically, I think it will be anywhere from 10 or 12, where 215 was important in some way, shape, or form.
	Oh, the billions of phone numbers that were collected.
	Yes, but let me go back to September 11th.
	And on September 11th, Al Mithar was one of the principal hijackers.
	Ultimately, I think he was in one of the planes in New York, but I may be wrong on that.
	But he was a principal hijacker, and the intelligence agencies were on him, tracking him through the Far East.
	Nobody had him in the United States.
	Ultimately, he comes to the United States in 2000.
	Sometime thereafter, the intelligence communities are on a number in Yemen that is known to be affiliated with terrorists.
	At that point in time, without this particular capability, they had no...
	Just stop for one second.
	I want to point something out.
	The idea of these administrations, the way they've got these things set up is the guy asking the question gets five minutes.
	And so the idea is when you're a mule or something, you yak and yak and yak and yak to use up the guy's five minutes.
	That's the way they say, in some form or another, they're...
	The various entities that were involved in the, you know, he won't just say anything.
	It's like basketball.
	You've got to run down the shot clock.
	He's running down the shot clock.
	They should have a big timer in the corner.
	A big clock.
	Well, they have one.
	They have the clock and the red lights.
	It's just you don't see it on camera.
	I think it should be an overlay, like a lower third on screen.
	We should have stats.
	Yeah, no, that's what C. Spencer does.
	You should have a lower third with the clock ticking down.
	You know, I have a feeling that we can legitimately do that because these public hearings, that is public domain stuff.
	So we should be able to take that video and do that and make it into...
	I think we've talked about this before.
	It's just, you know, we have no time to do these cool ideas.
	We haven't got time.
	A way of identifying whether there was somebody in San Diego calling this number in Yemen.
	Indeed, the...
	The IG report afterwards indicated that, had we had this information, we may well have been able to stop the attack.
	Wow, boy.
	And Chip Gregory, what's his name, Chip?
	Chip.
	Chip Gregory there on the Sunday show, he turns it around, which I think is even better, and just names a whole bunch of, you know, everyone.
	Science is in.
	Everyone feels this.
	But it's very interesting because...
	It's very interesting.
	Whenever you say it's very interesting, then pay attention.
	Commentators this week have pointed out...
	Commentators?
	Those who are concerned about civil liberties, imagine their reaction if there were another 9-11-style attack and what the American public would rise up to support in terms of quashing civil liberties.
	And you go back to the immediate aftermath of 9-11 and we...
	Oh, hold on a second.
	Hello?
	Hello, safety?
	This is Liberty Calling.
	Alright, got it.
	Do we have great producers or what?
	Fantastic producers.
	So this is pathetic.
	No, but it's all...
	This is now the thing that has come back to haunt us 13 years later, or 12 years later, is to...
	It's literally shut up.
	Shut up, slave.
	Shut up.
	If only we'd had these fantastic programs in place for 9-11...
	We did, by the way.
	Yeah, of course we did.
	It's just...
	What was the line?
	It was...
	We didn't have the...
	We didn't...
	It was like something...
	The NSA wasn't in tune with the new technologies or some bullcrap like that.
	But the funniest thing...
	I don't know if you caught this.
	At the end...
	And this happens on C-SPAN a lot, and I'm always watching, because they have the cameras on before the thing starts and after it ends, and sometimes they have the mics hot.
	Yeah, I love that.
	Did you catch this?
	No.
	Okay, so this is from Carl Alexander.
	What's his name?
	Klingon Alexander.
	Right after his appearance, he thanks the deputy director of the FBI. And I'll play it.
	You may not be able to hear it through the Skype, but I'll tell you what he says.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Sean.
	Well done.
	Tell the boss.
	Good to see you.
	Tell the boss.
	I owe him another freaking beer.
	So he says there, tell your boss I owe him another freaking beer.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, you should give them to me.
	Alright.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Tell your boss I owe him another freaking beer.
	So I guess they're all covering each other's ass or something like that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, this guy came in and covered his ass, this assistant or whatever.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And the guy says to Kaiser Alexander, he says, no, you should give it to me.
	I covered your ass.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, we covered the Obama open mic with Medvedev.
	How come the mainstream media won't cover this?
	This isn't a true outrage where the commanders, the guy, he's got all the ribbons on.
	What's the point of that, by the way?
	He's the head of the NSA. Hayden is the guy who started this.
	You know, most of the time, these are authorities that aren't military.
	The NSA is not a military operation.
	Why is this guy wearing, I guess, his Army or Air Force uniform?
	I mean, why?
	What's the point?
	Look, before I had this job, look at these.
	See these stars?
	I got them on my shoulders.
	You haven't got one.
	Who are you?
	Get out of my way.
	Yeah, shut up.
	I mean, seriously.
	Shut up, slave!
	Now, did you see our president with Charlie Rose?
	No, I heard about this.
	I'm glad you got this.
	Oh, I took several clips.
	I feel it is...
	It warrants our scrutiny and analysis.
	Of what he is saying, because he's being very, very, very clear about certain things.
	Let me just see.
	So first, Charlie Rose appears to be his handler.
	And it's...
	Oh, so he's queuing him?
	Oh!
	Beyond belief, really.
	Really beyond belief.
	So I have a couple of shorter clips which he can dump out of.
	And then there's the one where he really gets into...
	And this probably will come back to haunt him because the way he explains what is going on sounds nothing like reality.
	And so...
	This also, by the way, I think we're looking at the other Obama.
	I don't know where the first one is, because we always have two oaths for him, one in public and then one for the other Obama in private.
	I think the other Obama, that's this guy.
	He's like they've been tag-teamed or something.
	So here he is on the balance between privacy and security, which of course is this whole crazy notion.
	That I specifically said one of the things we need to debate and examine is our surveillance programs, because those were set up right after 9-11.
	It's now been over a decade, and we have to examine them.
	And what should the debate be?
	Well, and what I've said, and I continue to believe, is that we don't have to sacrifice our freedom in order to achieve security.
	Oh, well now he's saying something different.
	We don't have to sacrifice.
	There used to be a balance.
	That's a false choice.
	False choice.
	That doesn't mean that there are not trade-offs involved in any given...
	Instead of giving up, we just call it a trade-off.
	It's a different word, you see.
	Any given action that we take.
	So, all of us make a decision that we go through a whole bunch of security at airports.
	Which, when we were growing up, that wasn't the case, right?
	You ran up to the gate.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	Five minutes to catch the plane, you're running on.
	Been there.
	It's been a while since I went through commercial flying, but...
	Because I am an elitist!
	The experience is not the same anymore.
	It's gotten worse.
	It's gotten worse, Prez.
	Right.
	And so, that's a trade-off we make.
	The same way we make a trade-off about drunk driving.
	We say, occasionally, there are going to be checkpoints.
	They may be intrusive.
	He's rolling it all into one now.
	They may be intrusive.
	Anal probe or something.
	They may be intrusive.
	But hey, that's what we all agree on.
	We all agreed on it.
	Remember?
	To say there's a trade-off doesn't mean somehow that we've abandoned freedom.
	I don't think anybody says we're no longer free because we have checkpoints at airports.
	But there is a balance here.
	But there is a balance.
	Do you hear how Rose is putting the words in his mouth?
	Yeah, he did that time.
	It'll come back several times.
	He just keeps coming.
	There is a balance.
	And don't you think...
	So here's...
	Here is the president telling his handler that he doesn't understand, you stupid civilian.
	You don't understand what it's like to be me, to be the president, to have to make the hard decisions when you're in the situation room.
	A lot of critics have suggested that if we go in...
	This is about Syria, by the way.
	...and heavy...
	Hot and heavy.
	No fly zones, setting up humanitarian corridors and so forth.
	Heavy artillery.
	Heavy artillery.
	He's literally telling him, you know, do people understand?
	Heavy artillery.
	Oh yeah, heavy artillery.
	He is prompting him.
	Rose is prompting him with all the words.
	Yeah, no, I've seen that.
	Okay, go on.
	He offers a simpler solution.
	But the fact of the matter is, for example, 90% of the deaths that have taken place haven't been because of airstrikes by the Syrian Air Force.
	The Syrian Air Force isn't particularly good.
	They can't aim very well.
	It's been happening on the ground.
	Maybe they're not trying to kill people like you say.
	Maybe that's why the Syrian Air Force isn't bombing people.
	So you think a no-fly zone is not necessary?
	What I'm saying is that if you haven't been in the Situation Room...
	Pouring through intelligence.
	Oh, he's pouring through intelligence, John.
	He's painting the picture.
	And meeting directly with our military folks.
	Hey, nice uniform.
	Asking what are all our options.
	And examining what are all the consequences.
	And understanding that, for example, if you set up a no-fly zone, that you may not be actually solving the problem on the ground.
	ground or if you set up a humanitarian corridor are you in fact committed not only to stopping aircrafts from going over that corridor but also missiles and if so does that mean that you then have to take out the armaments in damascus and are you prepared then to bomb damascus and what happens if there's civilian casualties and have we mapped all of the chemical weapons facilities inside of syria to make sure that we don't drop a bomb on a chemical weapons facility that ends up then.
	I'd hate this job.
	That sounds like a horrible job.
	You've got to pour through all that intelligence and make all these decisions.
	My goodness, this is a very, very difficult job.
	I wouldn't want that job.
	As Bush said, it's hard.
	Yes.
	What do you think the number one job of the president is, really?
	Apparently to protect the public.
	What is it according to the Constitution, John?
	To uphold the Constitution.
	Uphold and protect the Constitution.
	Protect the Constitution.
	Try to strike against us.
	We've talked mostly about national security and talked about the responsibilities around the world, and you've certainly indicated by that last answer that the number one responsibility of a president is national security to keep the American people safe.
	Right.
	Correct?
	A douche.
	You think Charlie Rose would know better?
	Well, listen to this.
	He's given it to him.
	Talked about the responsibilities around the world, and you've certainly indicated by that last answer that the number one responsibility of a president is national security to keep the American people safe.
	Correct?
	Well, it is my number one priority, because if I don't get that right, obviously, we don't get anything right.
	That is so despicable.
	That is so...
	No, the whole principle of this country is based upon defending the Constitution, not the people.
	If you don't get the Constitution right, that's where all the other things come into play.
	That's what it's about.
	So, now, the president twice...
	Well, you know, if you could flip-flop this, which he's been doing all his entire career, and everyone's buying into it, as you can tell by what Charlie Rose says...
	If the number one thing is to protect the public, that means the Constitution, maybe you have to get rid of that, because that's not number one.
	Number one is protecting the public, and maybe to protect the public we have to get rid of the Constitution.
	This looks like to me an end-run, well, I think, well, obviously they've been trying to do this for some time, to get rid of the Constitution.
	Well, it is a living document, you know, John.
	There are people like Pat Buchanan who seem very conservative, but he wants to have a constitutional convention, as others do, to rewrite the damn thing.
	Oh, well, go ahead.
	What difference does it make?
	We have the right to do that, don't we?
	Don't we have the right to rewrite it?
	Yeah, no, we do, but I don't think it's a good idea.
	Can you imagine?
	Just take a look at Obamacare.
	This thing will be like a thousand times bigger.
	We'd be dead before we got to the end of this if we started reading it.
	But we'd have material all throughout our painful death.
	Yeah.
	That's what would be great.
	We would have material.
	So that's a plus.
	So there's some messaging here.
	And this was an hour-long interview.
	It sounds pretty dull.
	I'm surprised you got through it.
	Yes.
	In fact, I was saying to Miss Mickey yesterday, she's like, wow, you're working a lot.
	I said, oh, because you have to listen to these two boring guys with one guy prompting the other.
	And then you have to go back and listen to it again to make sure you catch all the words.
	Because this guy is slick.
	He's so slick.
	I'm going to skip the things.
	He mentioned Apple twice, specifically about the Chiners stealing Apple secrets.
	What secrets did they steal?
	Okay, you asked.
	Maybe talking to the Chinese.
	Well, let's separate out the NSA issue, which I'm sure you're going to want to talk to, and the whole balance of privacy and security with the specific issue of Cyber security and our concerns.
	And cyber warfare and cyber espionage.
	Hand more to him, Rose.
	What?
	Yeah, he's just telling him, you're forgetting this, you're forgetting this.
	See, Rose can remember a script, but Obama can't.
	This Obama.
	There's no prompter either.
	No.
	Large and small engages in intelligence gathering.
	And that is an occasional source of tension, but it's generally practiced within bounds.
	Okay, so this is very interesting because here he is saying that all countries spy on each other within kind of like the game.
	You know, it's within bounds.
	There is a big difference between China wanting to figure out how can they find out what my talking points are.
	When I'm meeting with the Japanese, which is standard fare.
	That seems to be normal, apparently.
	I find that's quite a big revelation for a president to say, you know, the Chinese do that.
	And we try to prevent them from penetrating that, and they try to get that information.
	There's a big difference between that and a hacker directly connected with the Chinese government or the Chinese military.
	Breaking into Apple's software systems to see if they can obtain the designs for the latest Apple product.
	Who gives a crap about that?
	Is that your job now, to protect us from the latest iPhone being stolen by the Chinese who make the damn thing?
	Right.
	A, they have the plans in their factory called Foxconn.
	Yes, it's in their country.
	And B, if it's some sort of new thing they're working on, it's usually patented, and you can go to the patent office and take a look and print it out.
	What does this come from?
	Well, thank you.
	Why is this the first example he can come up with?
	And he's saying that it is an outrage that the Chinese government is hacking into our systems.
	I think he even said military in that.
	Let me just check.
	To steal Apple's latest design.
	The big difference between that and a hacker directly connected with the Chinese government or the Chinese military.
	Yeah, the Chinese military.
	Hey, Huang Dong Chong, let us steal iPhone secret.
	We will conquer America.
	Nice try with the accent.
	Pretty good, huh?
	I think that was more my Japanese World War II accent.
	Japanese World War II. It's one of those Green Army men.
	Apple's software systems to see if they can obtain the designs for the latest Apple product.
	That's theft.
	Yeah.
	But that's Apple's problem.
	That's not necessarily the government's...
	This is where this is leading.
	This is why it's troubling.
	If he had said something like, if they're going to go in and hack a system at the Pentagon and get the launch codes for a bunch of missiles, now that would make sense to be concerned about.
	But to be concerned about Apple's new iPhone, I mean, what?
	And he keeps going with that.
	When the Chinese are manufacturing it?
	Yeah.
	We can't tolerate that.
	Can't tolerate that?
	What?
	Maybe we'll get a better phone.
	And so we've had very blunt conversations about this.
	They understand, I think, that this can adversely affect the fundamentals of the U.S.-China relationship.
	So he apparently had a conversation with the president of China about this.
	We can't have you hacking into Apple, man.
	This is insane!
	Don't consider this a side note in our conversations.
	We think this is central in part because our economic relationship is going to continue to be premised on the fact that the United States is the world's innovator.
	We have the greatest R&D. We have the greatest entrepreneurial culture.
	Our value added is at the top of the value chain.
	It's great, isn't it?
	Now, after hearing this, now here's what Rose is going to ask.
	Tell me I'm wrong.
	He's going to say, well, isn't this kind of a minor thing?
	I mean, after all, China does already make the iPhone, and so they have the plans in the country.
	And if there's some sort of innovation, they can just go to the patent office and make a copy of the patent.
	So what's the big deal, Obama?
	Now, tell me that's what he does.
	John, I thought you said you didn't watch the show.
	Ah.
	Yeah.
	Because that's not what Rose says.
	At all.
	No, of course not.
	In fact, that clip is now over.
	But here is where the president takes this whole cyber security thing yet a step further in the total fascist direction.
	Possible extradition.
	I will leave it up to them to answer those questions.
	What's your fear about this?
	Look.
	Look.
	We have to make decisions about how much classified information and how much covert activity we are willing to tolerate as a society.
	And, you know, we could not have carried off the Bin Laden raid if it was on the front page of the papers.
	So now apparently, not only 9-11, but, you know, Bin Laden raid is thanks to this great program.
	Everybody understands that.
	Everyone understands.
	Everyone understands.
	Of course that, but I don't want to say what the relevance of that is.
	Very good, Charlie.
	The reason I'm saying that is that we're going to have to find ways where the public has an assurance that there are checks and balances in place.
	That they have enough information about how we operate that they know that their phone calls aren't being listened into, their text messages aren't being monitored, their emails are not being read by some big brother somewhere.
	They've got to feel that confidence.
	So we'll give that to them.
	It may not be true, but we've got to make them feel that way.
	And that it is not potentially subject to abuse because there are sufficient checks and balances on it.
	While still preserving our capacity to act against folks who are trying to do us harm.
	Okay.
	Folks who are trying to do us harm.
	What could that be?
	And it's not just terrorists.
	We already talked about cyber theft.
	We already talked about potentially critical infrastructure that could be compromised.
	Which he did not, by the way.
	There were a handful of yokels up in New York.
	Yokels!
	Hold on!
	Yokels!
	Yokels!
	We have a new classification.
	laughs Yokel one?
	Wait, let's...
	Hello, Yokel one to Yokel two, over.
	Yokels.
	What is a yokel?
	Hold on a second.
	I've got to check this.
	Yokel.
	A yokel.
	Oh, it has a wiki entry, which is not scheduled for deletion, I might point out.
	Yeah, like mine.
	Oh, this is interesting.
	In the United States, it's used to describe someone living in rural areas.
	Synonymous for yokel include country bumpkin, hayseed, chaw bacon, rube, redneck, hillbilly.
	Wow, that's a racial slur.
	Yokel is a slur.
	From that definition, it would be.
	Well, what he says, we had some yokels, some hicks.
	Yeah.
	Yokels, really?
	A handful of yokels up in New York who stole $45 million out of ATMs.
	Oh, well, that should be the government's job, clearly.
	Wait, hold on a second.
	Play that again?
	Uh-huh.
	...structure that could be compromised.
	You know, there were a handful of yokels up in New York who stole $45 million out of ATMs.
	Hey!
	Hey!
	Whoa!
	Hey!
	What kind of yokels are doing that?
	Hey, yokel one, I got the ATM code.
	Here yokel two.
	How y'all doing back over?
	Roger, roger.
	Our yokels are high-end criminals.
	Yokels!
	No, man, but go beyond the yokel thing.
	It's not the government's job to protect the bank.
	It's the bank's job to protect the bank, and if the bank loses my money because of some yokels, the bank owes that to me.
	That's their problem.
	This is not a government issue.
	Uh...
	Over the course of, I think it was 18 hours.
	And the public expects me and the Justice Department and others to protect them from those things.
	No, I don't expect you to protect me from that.
	No, no, no.
	Wait, they got the 40 million bucks in just a few hours?
	18.
	This guy's got a wrong definition of what a yokel.
	You can't get past the yokel.
	Move on beyond the yokel.
	It is not...
	Go on.
	I do not want the president to protect me from that.
	I'm not a pussy.
	I'll go to the bank.
	Me and the Justice Department and others to protect them from those things.
	To make sure that their bank accounts aren't being compromised.
	Their medical records aren't being compromised.
	All that stuff requires the government to have some capacity to engage with the private sector.
	And we ought to have a debate about it.
	So we've got to have a debate about it.
	Yeah, we've got to have a debate about it.
	So what he's saying...
	But listen carefully.
	Remember, we've learned.
	You've got to listen to what this guy is saying.
	He specifically said banking sector, medical sector.
	Yeah?
	So the government has to have, you've got to give us some leeway, we've got to be able to cooperate, we've got to be able to share with these companies, which means we're going to have your medical information and your financial information if you want us to protect you.
	That's what he's saying.
	This is the final clip, and we can stop whenever.
	But this is very interesting, because this is where the President explains explicitly what is and what is not happening with the PRISM program and the NSA... Here's their PSA. Read your tweets and you miss listening to your phone calls.
	NSA is looking out for you.
	Hey, shut up!
	Get in line, slave!
	I just love that.
	Before you play that clip, I want to do an interlude here.
	Play What Does Alexander Mean?
	And this is Keith, our buddy, with a uniform mom who's testifying before Congress.
	And there's a little gotcha in here that I thought was interesting that relates to what you just said.
	So far, chagreous oversight and compliance our government uses to balance security with civil liberties and privacy.
	Let me start by saying that I would much rather be here today debating this point than trying to explain how we failed to prevent another 9-11.
	It is a testament to the ongoing teamwork Of the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the National Security Agency, working with our allies and industry partners, that we have been able to connect the dots and prevent more terrorist attacks.
	Yes.
	Now he sounds like, I don't know, but he needs to take some public speaking lessons, because he talks like a kid.
	Or some provisional, maybe.
	But our industry, what did he say there?
	Our industry friends?
	Our allies and industry partners.
	Yeah, our industry partners.
	So in other words, corporatism, which is what fascism is, we've said this a million times, we'll say it again.
	Mussolini, yep.
	He's just essentially admitting it.
	Yes.
	And our industry friends are probably Facebook and Google and General Electric.
	Probably.
	Where have you been the past 10 years?
	Probably.
	They are, according to the slide.
	Let me interject, because I want to thank...
	Profusely, everyone who supports our program, we could not be doing this analysis, nor could we have, in any semblance of your imagination, the time to do this if we were not supported by the people who are the producers, and that is monthly producers, that is people who help us with clips, with jingles, with ideas, etc.
	Yes, it also includes the people who send stupid things, because, you know, from time, you know, there's You get the good with the bad.
	It's a balance.
	It's a trade-off.
	You've got to figure it out.
	Particularly our executive and associate executive producers, which I'd like to thank first before we continue with our analysis of the Charlie Rose handling of the president.
	Yeah, we do have a couple for today.
	We have one executive producer, and it's Jan Dubroka from Sharpsburg, Georgia.
	And now he's a knight.
	Sir Dubroka, protector of my family, will be his title.
	$410.
	Just complete my first knighthood plus a few extra pennies.
	My wife says I should be more positive.
	But when you hear of all the crap going on, it's real hard to think positive sometimes.
	I guess it's true that money and power can't corrupt.
	Just wish I had more power and money.
	So let me say that you are taking the right steps because the path to a healthy life and a happy life It is at the very least understanding that you're being bullcrapped.
	And once you understand, you feel better no matter what, and you should be able to rise above it, because it's not the end of the world.
	This too shall pass.
	But to just know it and not be indoctrinated by fear and by just tickling your emotions all day long, and you being able to be within your family life like that, that is the road to health and happiness.
	Yeah, don't worry about it.
	Yeah, as John said, don't worry about it.
	Don't worry about it.
	Don't worry about it.
	Sir Charles Jordan in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 22222, who says he didn't get his ring last year.
	We've been sending rings out consistently.
	A lot of this, I'm going to say this right now because this is the complaint that Eric used to have and Mimi has now.
	She sends out an email to these people, not necessarily you, Charles, but she sends out an email and she never hears back because I think they think it's spam.
	I don't know.
	And that's, you know, if you don't send an email, if you don't get a mailing from her, she always sends something out.
	And it's like when I do the mailing with a newsletter.
	I look at the numbers.
	I get a mailing system.
	I use MailChimp.
	And it tells me, oh yeah, 40% of the people open the email.
	The rest of you guys just threw it away.
	And so this is like a huge problem if you want to get a ring.
	So that's just saying.
	Anyway, Robert Hageddon.
	2222.
	Because now we get to deal with those damn pins.
	Yeah, the pins are still...
	We're still doing rings at the moment.
	We have rings still.
	Robert Hegedus in Spring, Texas.
	She's right up the road from you.
	Heil!
	22222.
	Heil, everybody.
	I wanted to wish my beautiful wife, Summer, a happy birthday.
	Oh, what a beautiful name.
	I got her hooked on the show, and now she calls me a boner for using PayPal.
	I'll get a bank draft set up soon, honey.
	Yeah, well, she's right.
	It sounds like you guys have over 100 donors in Spring, Texas.
	Adam, you may need to grab Miss Mickey and truck up on here for a no-agenda meetup.
	We got cold beer and loaded guns.
	What more could you ask for?
	Not much.
	By the way, if anybody in Spring, Texas has black powder and they shoot black powder, I'll show up.
	Wait, you heard it here first.
	Because what are we going to do?
	Are we going to blow stuff up there in Spring, Texas?
	I've been to ranges where they shoot black powder and it's just the damnedest thing.
	For one thing, it sounds like the world's coming to an end.
	And I can't imagine what the Civil War must have been like with all this racket.
	I really enjoyed your rant on Sunday and reading of the names of our lost warriors.
	It really helps me put things into perspective.
	Thanks and gig'em.
	Let me take a look and see how far...
	Hedgedus.
	How far is Spring, Texas, really?
	Let me see.
	Spring...
	I think you can walk.
	Walk.
	Bike ride.
	I cannot walk.
	What are you talking about?
	Let's see.
	Spring, Texas.
	It's that big.
	You're breaking up for some reason now, by the way.
	Hedgedus.
	I'll tell you, it is exactly...
	Come on, Google.
	I said get directions.
	Oh, it's a three-hour drive.
	It's not like...
	Oh, that's too far.
	No, it's not.
	I'd drive that.
	I'd drive to Springtown.
	It's above Houston.
	If Robert here can make sure they get a group together, it'd be worth it.
	Okay, so this email came in, and I forwarded it to The Shill.
	And Miss Mickey and I were coming back from our dance class, and I read this to her.
	And she went, yeah, there's 100 people.
	Let's go!
	And now that she knows that you're going to be there if we have black powder, you can fly right into Houston.
	I'll pick you up.
	It is a direct flight from San Francisco to Houston.
	And we'll make a day of it.
	Sounds like a plan.
	All right.
	All right.
	Donald Kuhl.
	Cool.
	Cool.
	Anyway, in Wyndham, New Hampshire, $200.
	I'm compelled to donate yet again.
	Adam's rant about our government killing our children last show hit home when my brother's son killed himself today.
	Jeez.
	A veteran of both Iraq and Afghanistan who was severely depressed after the horrific events he witnessed, all in the name of freedom.
	And he says, fuck him.
	Keep going, guys.
	You're right on at so many levels.
	Thank you so much, and please, karma to my brother Fred.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	You've got karma.
	Exactly.
	And we have an anonymous $200 donor from Amsterdam who says he's working in the IT security and oil and gas industry.
	Lots of stories to bring to you soon.
	Yes.
	We've gotten quite a few interesting leads from people from our sysadmins.
	They're stepping up.
	It's good.
	They know things.
	Josh Oman in Madison, Wisconsin, 200 bucks.
	He has a note.
	Sometime last fall, a no agenda bot called into my local...
	Listen to this, everybody.
	I want everyone to listen to this note.
	A No Agenda bot called into my local NPR affiliate and hit everyone listening in the mouth.
	He sounded sincere and thoughtful, so I took his advice and gave the No Agenda show a listen.
	I haven't missed an episode since, and from my third or fourth episode, I've been looking forward to upcoming episodes.
	Wait a minute.
	Huh.
	So someone called in to a local affiliate, promoted the show, and then he caught on to it and he is now an associate executive producer because of that.
	Yes.
	I need a clip of that.
	We need a clip of that promo.
	That's great.
	Still, I've been waiting, just waiting for you to give me an excuse not to give you value.
	An excuse, that is, use Adam's mocking voice, so unbelievable, I would have to send you an angry email instead.
	It's time to accept it.
	I'm not going to find that excuse, and thank you for what you do.
	Wow.
	I appreciate your enthusiasm, the content you assemble, your boundless skepticism.
	And the network of contributing producers you have attracted.
	Thank you, Josh Oman.
	And he put his check in for $200.
	He's only listened to the show for four or five episodes, which kind of makes you wonder why people have been listening for years and have not helped us.
	And he got it from NPR. So he's a convert?
	Nice.
	Or maybe not.
	I listen to NPR. I listen to NPR. Sure.
	By the way, I want to correct him.
	We haven't collected these producers.
	We've scraped them together over the years.
	It's like gum off of your shoe.
	You've got to go pick them up, bring them in, reel them in.
	A lot of them are very sick.
	We have a lot of them.
	But I want to thank Josh and Anonymous and Donald and Robert and Charles and Yan for helping us produce this show.
	523, reminding you all to go to dvorak.org slash na, channeldvorak.com slash na, noagenda show, noagendanation.com.
	There's a donate button you can click on, or you can do a time payment through the bank, which is very nice.
	and it keeps the mail running.
	And we will be thanking the rest of our producers for episode 523 later on.
	As always, the credits given out to our executive producers and associate executive producers are actual credits.
	You can use them anywhere where credits are accepted, including the Producers Guild of America and Producers Guilds around the world.
	And you will find them in the show notes at 523.nashownotes.com.
	It is highly appreciated.
	And also thank you to our artist Martin J.J. gave us the album art for episode 522.
	And we thank him profusely, NoahArtGenerator.com.
	And a tip of the hat to our producer who says, Adam, howdy.
	My name is Daniel.
	I'm not going to do his last name.
	Just want to let you know I will be hosting a skateboarding competition this Friday the 21st for National Go Skateboarding Day.
	And his PR for the show will have a no-agenda table full of free CDs of the latest show to give out.
	I'll take some pics to send y'all.
	Hopefully I'll be able to convert the shittisons to citizens and turn the El Paso boners into donors.
	That way I don't have to call them out as douchebags anymore.
	And I'm pretty sure that he'll pick up a couple people.
	The skaters, I think.
	Yeah, it's all we have to do.
	Yeah, well, it's also the skaters is kind of in our genre there.
	And let me say, in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	Well, in the morning to you, Adam Curry, and I also want to say in the morning to all the ships that see boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	And, of course, the human resources in the chat room at noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net.
	Dvorak.org.
	And just before we continue with our analysis of the Charlie Rose interview, here's a formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	That's right, it's skateboarding competitions.
	No service for you!
	Very nice.
	Alright, good, good, good, good, good.
	We're off to a, we're on a roll here.
	Okay, so let's continue with the President, because here is where something interesting came up, which was interpreted incorrectly by many across the interwebs.
	Of course, we have the analysis that you need, so let's listen to it.
	With respect to the NSA, a government agency that has been in the intelligence-gathering business for a very long time.
	Bigger and better than everybody else.
	Bigger and better than everybody else.
	Now, really?
	Really?
	Was that necessary?
	Was that really necessary, Charlie Rose?
	What was that?
	Bigger and better than anybody else.
	Bigger and better than anybody else.
	Is he working for him, or what's the deal?
	Well, Charlie Rose is working for somebody.
	But for him to say, bigger and better than the NSA, hold on, Mr.
	President, let me interrupt.
	Your valuable time to tell you the NSA is bigger and better than anybody else.
	Does he mean bigger and better than the CIA? Does he?
	I think he might.
	Does he mean bigger and better than what was once the KGB? Maybe.
	I don't know.
	Or MI6 and MI5? But the President clearly says, yes, right, Charlie.
	Bigger and better than anybody else.
	Bigger and better.
	Bigger and better.
	Interesting.
	I'm sure the CIA is very appreciative of that.
	Oh, yeah.
	For sure.
	What?
	And we should take pride in that because they're extraordinary professionals.
	They're dedicated to keeping the American people safe.
	Yeah.
	Which is job one.
	Remember Ford?
	Didn't Ford have that commercial?
	Built tough, Ford is job one.
	Something like that?
	Wasn't that like Ford's slogan?
	Yeah, it was Ford.
	Ford.
	At Ford, safety is job one.
	Something like that.
	We should look that up.
	What I can say unequivocally is that...
	Unequivocally.
	Is it unequivocally?
	I guess that's right.
	Unequivocally.
	Sounded weird.
	He's got me beat on that.
	If you are a U.S. person...
	Ah!
	A U.S. person?
	What is a U.S. person?
	Is that a citizen?
	Well, you know, okay, you looked into this, I looked into it.
	What did you find out?
	Well, this is a legal term that the President is using, because he's slick, and he uses this specifically to point out, and if you look at the Book of Knowledge, that a U.S. person is not just a citizen of the United States.
	It includes, and this is a big eye-opener for all you Obama bots, it includes corporations and companies, because guess what?
	Corporations are people, my friend.
	It turns out that's true.
	Regulation S, this is for the Securities Act, but it also is for the NSA. A citizen of the United States is a U.S. person, an alien lawfully admitted under permanent residence, an unincorporated association with a substantial number of members who are citizens of the U.S. or are aliens lawfully admitted for permanent residence, which is basically the No Agenda show is now a person, a U.S. person, the way I read that.
	We're unincorporated.
	We're in association with a substantial number of members who are citizens or are aliens lawfully admitted.
	We are a U.S. person.
	This show.
	No agenda show.
	A U.S. person.
	Or a corporation that is incorporated in the U.S. That is the definition of a U.S. person.
	But also, if you look at the Securities and Exchange Commission under Rule S, it can be in a state of any executor, any trust of which a trustee is a U.S. person, any agency or branch of a foreign entity located in the United States, so any embassy is a U.S. person.
	The list goes on and on and on.
	What did you come up with?
	Not that.
	That's what I came up with.
	I think you've got nothing to top that with.
	That's what a U.S. person is.
	Yeah, apparently.
	All I know is it keeps cropping up.
	It didn't just start cropping up like yesterday.
	No.
	I saw this in executive order, which is used.
	People should read this thing, by the way.
	This is the executive order.
	Executive Order 12333, or called, it's usually referred to as 12333, which is the order that gives the NSA all this power, and it goes back pre-Reagan, I believe it was in the 70s, this thing.
	And it's been modified a few times, and I've gone through the modifications.
	I spent too much time on that and got nowhere.
	Really?
	Because the modifications were just moving commas.
	I couldn't find any real killer in there.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	But did you find something?
	Well, you might find, you know, if you do this, which is looking at the changes in 12333 over time, I'll bet you you find something interesting.
	I didn't.
	No, I'm going to look at that.
	But I did see persons used in that thing consistently, and they've changed the word eight.
	The one thing I did find, I couldn't figure out why, maybe you can figure it out.
	They've changed all references to agencies, like intelligence agency or agencies of the CIA or agencies of the government.
	They've changed all the word agency to element.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Ah.
	It can soon be part of the natural world.
	It could be on the periodic table of elements.
	The elements.
	You'll have natrium.
	There's an element.
	You're an element of the...
	Chloride.
	CIA. Ah, there you go.
	But it does proscribe in 12333 the CIA doing anything domestically.
	It's real strong in there, and they have not changed that.
	So the CIA is kind of sitting on the sidelines as the NSA is getting all the publicity for being so big and great.
	The term U.S. person is used in the context of data collection and intelligence by the United States, particularly with respect to the provisions of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
	If information from, about, or to a U.S. person who is not a named terrorist is captured in the course of U.S. foreign intelligence activities, there are strict rules about preserving the anonymity of such a person in any subsequent intelligence report.
	Only if the U.S. person informant is relevant to the report is included.
	So, essentially, it's everything and everybody under the sun that is within our borders is a U.S. person.
	Even if you're a corporation somewhere else, if you've got an office here, you are a U.S. person.
	Fair game.
	Okay.
	And so there's a reason why the president uses this, and this was incorrectly interpreted by many freedom and liberty people as, he can't even say citizen!
	He can't even bring him, because he's not a citizen himself!
	But those are the yokels, you see.
	By the way, when someone asks me what I do from now on, I'm saying, I'm a yokel.
	I think I can have business cards made.
	Adam Curry.
	You used to be local yokel.
	That's what you should make.
	You should make it rhyme a little.
	I'm a local yokel.
	Oh, cool.
	Nice.
	I'm a local yokel too.
	The NSA cannot listen to your telephone calls.
	And the NSA cannot target your emails.
	And have not.
	What is he saying?
	What is Rose doing?
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	How does he know they have not?
	How does Rose know anything?
	Because he's his handler.
	Did you not hear me set this whole thing up?
	Now, by the way, talk about misusing words.
	They can read your email.
	They can.
	He didn't say that.
	He said, target.
	He didn't say read, he said target.
	What does that mean?
	I mean, he's got a real misuse of language here, but go on, let's play it out.
	So Rose, let me just, Rose is like, you know, if you get like the rap guys, they always have a dude next to them, so he doubles the, you know, doubles the lyric, or says, yeah, that's right, bitches!
	That's what Rose is doing here.
	Like, the NSA cannot, and will not, and will not.
	And this is total, this is like a rap duo.
	Cannot listen to your telephone calls.
	And the NSA cannot target your emails.
	And have not.
	And have not.
	They cannot and have not.
	That is terrible.
	And he repeats it.
	Because he's forgetting the script.
	This is the new Obama.
	And Rose is there to hold his hand.
	By law and by rule.
	By law and by rule.
	Write this down, John, because that means something.
	I couldn't figure it out.
	But we've learned this.
	This guy is slick.
	By law and by rule.
	So rule is not a law.
	Okay?
	So something's up with that.
	I hate having to second guess this guy, but you can't trust him.
	And unless they, and usually it wouldn't be they, it would be the FBI, go to a court and obtain a warrant and seek probable cause.
	The same way it's always been.
	The same way when we were growing up and we were watching movies, you know, you want to go set up a wiretap, you've got to go to a judge.
	Now, this is very smart, what he's doing here.
	He's giving everyone the theater of the mind where you have the guys in the van with the Bakelite headphones.
	I'm listening in to the phone calls right now because we have a warrant from the judge.
	But, of course, he wants to remove from your entire thought pattern the idea that you correctly pointed out, John, that all these calls are already recorded and stored.
	And they don't give a crap about wiretapping, listening in the van across the street with the curtains drawn.
	No.
	They're just going to retrieve everything you've done so far.
	Every text mail, a text message, every email, every phone call, everything.
	We'll find something.
	You did something wrong somewhere.
	Yeah, but then we'll get the warrant.
	Yeah.
	Get a warrant, and then they say, well...
	You know, I mean, we're getting a warrant for Curry, and we need all his records, and they're going to, besides busting into your place and making a mess and then not cleaning it up, and they won't find anything, and then they collect all your phone calls for the last five years, all your email, IMs, text messages, and they'll sift through them with the warrant and then frame you.
	Right.
	So let's continue.
	Show probable cause, and then the judge looks at the probable cause.
	But have any of those been turned down, all the requests to FISA courts?
	Have they been turned down at all?
	Let me finish here, Charlie, because I want to make sure this debate has gotten cloudy very quickly.
	Exactly.
	All right?
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Point number one, if you're a U.S. person.
	Again, U.S. person.
	Then NSA is not listening to your phone calls, and it's not targeting your emails.
	Again, he says targeting instead of reading.
	Why won't he just say reading?
	Because he's lying.
	Well, he's technically not lying.
	You've got to be careful with this guy.
	Unless it's getting an individualized court order.
	That's the existing rule.
	There are two programs that were revealed by Mr.
	Snowden.
	Mr.
	Snowden.
	Allegedly.
	There's a criminal investigation taking place.
	And that caused all the ruckus.
	Ruckus.
	Program number one.
	I think it's the yokels that caused the ruckus, if you ask me.
	Called the 2015 program.
	What that does is it gets data.
	From the service providers.
	Now, let's be very specific.
	John, you're going to want to write this down because this clip is going to come back to haunt this man.
	Like a Verizon.
	In bulk.
	Isn't this 215?
	Section 215, yes.
	He said 2015.
	He said 215.
	He said something weird like 215 or anything to make it not sound like what it really is.
	He used a different...
	You want to hear it?
	Yeah.
	He said 215 or something like that.
	And that caused all the ruckus.
	Program number one.
	Called the 2015 program.
	2015.
	That's what I said.
	He doesn't even know what he's talking about.
	2015.
	No, he's thinking 2015 because something's coming due in the year 2015 that was on his mind.
	I think he has a balloon payment on his mortgage.
	What that does is it gets data from the service providers, like a Verizon, in bulk.
	And basically, you have call pairs.
	You have...
	My telephone number connecting with your telephone number.
	There are no names.
	There's no content in that database.
	All it is is the number pairs, when those calls took place, how long they took place.
	Now he's very specific about this.
	So there's nothing else in there, no geographic data, and all it is is the number, which number called which number, what time, and how long the call lasted.
	He's being very specific about this.
	So that database is sitting there.
	Now, if the NSA, through some other sources, maybe through the FBI, maybe through a tip that went to the CIA, maybe through the NYPD, gets a number, That where there's a reasonable, articulable suspicion that...
	And it's hard to articulate articulable.
	...this might involve foreign terrorist activity related to al-Qaeda and some other international terrorist actors, then what the NSA can do is it can query that database to see, does this number pop up?
	Did they make any other calls?
	And if they did, those calls will be spit out.
	A report will be produced.
	It will be turned over to the FBI. At no point is any content revealed because there's no content in the database.
	So I hear you saying, I have no problem with what NSA has been doing.
	Well, let me finish.
	Because I don't.
	So, what happened?
	God, did he sound like Ron Bloom there for a minute or what?
	Seriously, that was weird.
	What happens then is that the FBI, if in fact it now wants to get content, if in fact it wants to start tapping that phone, it's got to go to the FISA court with probable cause and ask for a warrant.
	But has FISA courts turned down any request?
	Because, first of all, Charlie, the number of requests are surprisingly small.
	No!
	No!
	Yes.
	What are you talking about?
	There's over 30,000 of them.
	Is that small?
	That's surprisingly small.
	And by the way, this is the second time he asked the question because everyone knows the FISA court, I think, has refused out of 30,000 requests or so.
	Zero.
	Like three.
	No, I don't think any.
	Because it was the guy's own number, I guess, on the court.
	Right.
	So he's being very...
	Now, there's also this concept of content.
	You know, this is only because we've learned we've got to listen to what he's saying.
	So, you know, the definition of content, I'm not sure what that means exactly.
	But he's being very specific here.
	But he's also, and this is what I find kind of cool, he's averting or avoiding the entire conversation about what is really going on, about the wholesale tapping of all the data streams and storing it in...
	In whatever NSA liquid storage facility that is being built or already exists.
	So this is about a procedure that is after the fact, but he's not denying that everything is being stored and ready-made for any future retrieval.
	Number two, folks don't go with a query unless they've got a pretty good suspicion.
	That, by the way, is a country song.
	Folks don't go away with the query unless there's some pretty good suspicion.
	Transparent in some way.
	It is transparent.
	That's why we set up the FISA court.
	Look, the whole point of...
	The secret FISA court is transparent.
	My concern before I was president, because some people say, well, Obama was this raving liberal before, now he's Dick Cheney.
	Dick Cheney sometimes says, yeah, you know, he took it all lock, stock, and barrel.
	My concern has always been Not that we shouldn't do intelligence gathering to prevent terrorism, but rather, are we setting up a system of checks and balances?
	So on this telephone program, you've got a federal court with Independent federal judges overseeing the entire program, and you've got Congress overseeing the program.
	Not just the Intelligence Committee, not just the Judiciary Committee, but all of Congress had available to it before the last reauthorization exactly how this program works.
	Yeah, where they got railroaded through.
	One last point I want to make, because what you'll hear is people say, Okay, we have no evidence that it has been abused so far.
	Wait a minute, didn't FISA get renewed on like January 1st?
	Didn't the President sign it like a New Year's Eve or something?
	Maybe, maybe.
	I mean, I think the NDAA was in that category.
	And they say, let's even grant that Obama's not abusing it.
	There are all these processes.
	DOJ is examining it.
	It's being audited.
	It's being renewed periodically, etc.
	The very fact that there's all this data in bulk...
	It has the enormous potential for abuse because they'll say, you know, when you start looking at metadata, even if you don't know the names...
	Wait a minute.
	Now all of a sudden there's metadata.
	Match it up.
	If there's a call to an oncologist and it's a call to a lawyer, you can pair that up and figure out maybe this person's dying and they're writing their will and you can yield all this information.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, thank you for that outstanding example.
	Another good example of why this is bad.
	True.
	Except for the fact that for the government under the program right now to do that, it would be illegal.
	No, but that's the point.
	That's why Snowden came out saying this was illegal.
	He said he could do these phone calls, he could listen in, and that's the point of his whistleblowing, which is what whistleblowers do.
	They say, look, you guys are doing something that's illegal.
	We would not be allowed to do that.
	So what are you going to change?
	Are you going to issue it?
	But we're not allowed to do it.
	Any kind of instructions to the Director of National Intelligence, Mr.
	Clapper, and say, I want you to change it at least in this way?
	Here's what we need to do.
	Oh, nothing needs to be changed according to these people.
	Before I say that, and I know that we're running out of time, but I... I'm running out of time.
	What?
	I want to make sure I get very clear on this, because there's been a lot of misinformation out there.
	There is a second program called the 702 program.
	And what that does is that does not apply to any U.S. person.
	It has to be a foreign entity.
	It can only be narrowly related.
	So right now he's just going, he's just like, I don't know what you just said, but I'm talking about something else.
	I'm just not going to address that question.
	You want to hear the last minute or are you done?
	No, this is over.
	This is over.
	I'm done.
	We get the picture.
	Yeah, so we're keeping this clip.
	Because this will come back to haunt him, because he is saying things that just, you know, he literally says, people don't trust me, but you've got to trust me because it would be illegal to do what we're being accused of doing.
	So you've got to trust me because I'm the president.
	My job is to protect you.
	I wouldn't do that.
	No, bad.
	Well, I got, just since we're still on this kind of a topic, I can find my clips.
	We do have Alexander.
	I got the one, I gave you the one clip earlier.
	I got another one, which is kind of along the same lines.
	And I do have a, this is kind of like an Ask Adam.
	This is Alexander.
	And you know, the so-called 50 incidents.
	Yes.
	You know, after the billions and billions of dollars.
	I mean, I think they should just put a sign up.
	If you want to do a terrorism, we'll give you $100,000 not to.
	They'd save so much money.
	Yeah.
	But anyway, so here's the 50 instances.
	And I got to ask you this after you play this.
	In a classified setting, gives every one of those cases for your review.
	We'll add two more today publicly.
	We'll discuss.
	But as the chairman noted, if we give all those out, we give all the secrets of how we're tracking down the terrorists as a community, and we can't do that.
	Okay.
	Okay, let me ask you this question.
	All right, all right.
	So he's saying that we got 50 incidents, and we're going to tell you what they are in a classified setting, but we'll give two to the public, which are the two bogus ones we've talked about in the last show.
	Yeah, the beauty store heist.
	Yeah, and some other dumb thing that had nothing to do with the incident.
	No, it was the guy who was going to blow up Wall Street.
	Right, the stock exchange.
	Who was given the phony explosives by the FBI. Right.
	Yeah, they set him up.
	Set him up.
	Yeah, the Patsy, yeah.
	It's got nothing to do with the NSA. So there's 48 other incidents that they can't talk about because it'll give away the tech.
	Wait a minute.
	Let me get this.
	I'm going to ask you this.
	By telling me that somebody tried to blow up the Bay Bridge on January 7th, 2005, and that was one of the things we thwarted, that's what you'd say, how does this give away anything?
	They're not going to give the case file out.
	They're just going to mention it.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	If you're going to say, well, give us the example of 50.
	Okay, here's example one.
	On January 2nd, 2003, there was this.
	On January 10th, 2004, there was this.
	And they do all 50 of them.
	They just tell you what they were, what horrible things could have happened, but they didn't.
	They were stopped.
	How does this have anything to do with methodology?
	Okay.
	That would be giving it away to the terrorists.
	Where's methodology and exemplification?
	How are the two the same?
	How does an example have anything to do with methodology?
	And why does everybody just lap this bullcrap up?
	There aren't 50.
	That's the point.
	That's the kind of question I want to see on the Miss America pageant.
	Well, I don't think it's bullcrap because, you know, there's 48 states and we got Hawaii and Alaska.
	There was 50.
	So if we give you those two, then clearly the terrorists can't win.
	It's all about education.
	Thank you, Miss Texas.
	I find this to be really annoying that this continues and nobody, there's one or two, and if somebody gets into it and they start yelling and screaming or saying this is bullcrap, then they get...
	You're a terrorist.
	Shut up.
	You're a terrorist.
	Shut up.
	I love the fact that now they're just rolling everything out about the G20 spying.
	You heard about that in the UK? Oh yeah, this has become a scandal.
	It's hurting the G8. No, it's not.
	No, it's not hurting the G8. No, no, no.
	Here's the G20 clip.
	It is a very serious revelation, I would imagine.
	This is Don Lemon.
	God, he's getting...
	He's starting to flaunt it a little bit, don't you think?
	But I would think that most people might not find this out of the ordinary, so...
	How can he say this?
	This is what kind of gets me, is that we don't find this strange.
	What is the big revelation in all of this?
	What's the takeaway here?
	I think there are going to be several takeaways.
	One is the timing.
	It seems to be time to embarrass the British government.
	The G8 summit is getting underway right now.
	So it couldn't come at a worse time.
	Absolutely couldn't.
	So this is Nick Robertson, who used to set up the satellite dish for CNN. He's now the senior correspondent for all foreign affairs.
	And he's talking about the G8 summit.
	In this regard, which I have a clip from Haiku Herman from, the real embarrassing part of the G8 is that they went to Northern Ireland to have this.
	Do you know that, because Northern Ireland is a ghost town, that they, and you can Google this, they put up pictures in the shop windows, the closed, empty shop windows, they put up pictures to make it look like there was a bakery, a butcher shop.
	Have you seen this?
	Yeah.
	So that's the disgusting part of the G8. Well, there's also, when you see some of the footage of the kind of armored vehicles and crazy, they're spending like $70 million.
	For lunch?
	Just lunch?
	On security at this obscure place out in the middle of nowhere?
	Yeah, well, of course.
	Let's leave behind, you see.
	We've got to leave some stuff behind.
	Revelation will be some of the specific targeting.
	Setting up a fake internet cafe to trick delegates at this summit.
	Do you get the vision that there was some African guy with a hat and a robe, and they're like, hey, come on, you can do your internet over here.
	Yeah, let me get this straight.
	You have a summit of some of the biggest elites in the world, and to get on the internet, they have to go to an internet cafe.
	Yeah.
	Does this make sense to anybody?
	I can just see the guy with the colorful hat.
	Yeah, hey, I've got to get on the internet.
	Wow, there's an internet cafe down the street.
	How much does it cost?
	I feel right at home from Nigeria.
	I'm always used to doing my internet in the cafe.
	All he does is send out letters to their computers so email accounts can be hacked, so that keystrokes can be learned on their computers, BlackBerry's hacked.
	The BlackBerry thing, I've always been amazed, that any organization in the universe would use a BlackBerry thinking it's secure since everything runs through the BlackBerry server.
	I've never understood this idiocy.
	A bank of 45 people to monitor phone calls in real time of these delegates.
	And this information to be fed to British ministers in real time so that they can make real-time decisions during this summit about how they deal with it and get the outcome they want.
	And meanwhile, our president's worried about the Apple iPhone.
	We suck!
	Yeah, compared to this kind of spying.
	The Brit's got it down.
	But perhaps very embarrassing, and again, this is one of the takeaway revelations, that very careful monitoring of the Russian president, then, Dmitry Medvedev.
	Bullcrap.
	What this is all about, always, always, bottom line, always, is getting the goods on some guy ordering a hooker.
	It's best if it's homosexual or transgendered or weird or leather or underage or something weird.
	And that's what this is all.
	That's always the leverage.
	Always.
	Always.
	That's what it's always about.
	And we know that this...
	What else would it be about?
	This whole thing, this snooping, the basis of most snooping, and I think this falls right into the NSA and everyone else's blackmail.
	So here's the haiku Herman about the G8, which...
	You know how everyone like Alex Jones and Webster Tarpley and everyone's at the Bilderberg Conference, which was in...
	Elton Johnstown there, was it?
	Yeah, it's someplace.
	There's again, of course, I think you say I come around to some of your concepts, I think you've come around to mine on this one.
	Yes, it's a drinking club.
	It's a drinking club.
	The real New World Order is these guys.
	The most important moment of this G8 meeting was the meeting we had on Syria.
	It's a very divisive issue.
	The events are tragic.
	And...
	It struck me that everybody made an effort to come closer in their positions.
	And so we decided, as soon as possible, to start the Geneva Conference.
	Okay, so what does this mean?
	So these eight people, and these are the top, these are the top guys.
	Truly the top, including Putin and Obama and Merkel and Haiku, and everyone's there, and the China guy.
	They're all there.
	They decide to do the Geneva conference about Syria.
	With the aim of a transitory government with real executive powers.
	So they just decide...
	They just took over the place.
	Yeah, let's just fuck this guy.
	Right before our very eyes, they took over the place.
	Yeah, let's just fuck this guy out.
	There's a lot of things to be done, but the political will to engage in negotiations was very clearly present in the meeting with the Russians and with the Americans.
	Now, he's going to tell us how it's different from the G20, which is what that spying was all about.
	We are not speaking with speaking notes, with papers most of the time.
	It is a free conversation, and even if we speak on what's happening in the European Union, for instance, We do it spontaneously.
	So this creates a special climate.
	It's totally different in the G20 meetings, where it is more ritual, more formalized, because we are also with many, many more actors than at the G8 meetings.
	Exactly.
	There's more actors.
	Why does he say this?
	They're always using the term actor.
	Yeah, because they're actors.
	So let's remind people who's in the G8, which is actually nine people.
	You have Canada, Harper, France, Hollande, Germany, Italy, Enrico Letta, Japan, Abe, Russia, Putin, United Kingdom, Cameron, Barack Obama, and Haiku Herman, who's the ninth man out.
	Isn't China in?
	No.
	No, no.
	No.
	No.
	I thought they were a part of the G8. Yeah, no, no, no, no.
	Oh.
	They can be their own little G8 all by themselves.
	Pretty much.
	No, they're not in.
	And so they all sit there and talk about it.
	This is pretty European-centric with Japan as kind of the outsider and Russia a little bit.
	Hmm.
	And they run the world, pretty much.
	Yeah, this is the new world.
	No, but no Brazil.
	Nothing from the Southern Hemisphere whatsoever.
	No Australia, no Brazil.
	How about that Brazil?
	No African countries.
	Hey, how about that Brazil, by the way?
	Nobody from the Middle East.
	I love that Brazil.
	They're going crazy.
	Oh, Brazil.
	Yeah, I know.
	We have to get on this one because this is typical Western European-style coverage, and Brazil, meanwhile, is just blowing up because of a 25-cent increase in the fare on a bus.
	No, no, no.
	They're sick and tired of it.
	It's just like the thing that happened in Turkey, where it began with a little...
	Some of these little protests can blow up the big deals, and these governments don't realize that they may be sitting on a time bomb with something else.
	They should just immediately give in on the first thing.
	Just give in.
	Well, I saw some of the video, and this is not like a little CIA USAID stir-up that someone did.
	In Brazil?
	Yeah, no, this is real.
	People are fucking pissed.
	Yeah, that's why it's not being covered.
	Yeah, well, I got this coverage.
	Hundreds of thousands on the streets, the biggest demonstrations in Brazil for two decades.
	The mood of what started as a peaceful gathering in Rio de Janeiro soon changed.
	Processors threw rocks at police and set fire to the state assembly building.
	The trigger, an increase in the price of bus fare in Sao Paulo.
	Yeah, you can't actually hear it very well.
	You should look at the video report, because you can't really hear what they're saying.
	And by the way, oh, they're pretty down there in Brazil.
	Oh, so beautiful, these people.
	And they're all saying, you know, we're sick and tired.
	We're sick and tired of this World Cup coming in.
	Right in the Olympics, all the money's going to be wasted.
	Yeah, so we get nothing.
	It's equal to Africa.
	Remember when they had the World Cup in Africa?
	It's the same thing.
	There's no difference.
	And then, you know, the Brazilians get nothing.
	They get, you know, here, have a stick.
	Yeah.
	Here, have a vuvuzela to blow on outside the stadium, outside the safe zone, and they can go blow on their horn somewhere else, and then the elites come in, and yeah, and it's FIFA. They get all the money.
	FIFA is a horrible organization, the International Football Federation, and the IOC, the International Olympic Committee, the elite crap a-holes of the universe.
	And thank you.
	The slaves are finally sick and tired of it.
	You're right.
	That's why it's not being covered, because we could take an example.
	Because all you have to do is just come out in these numbers, and then what are you going to do?
	What are you going to do?
	Not much you can do when you have a quarter of a million people in Brazil can get a crowd together.
	Oh, yeah.
	And they seem to be enjoying it.
	Like party, you know?
	Well, the Brazilians are the number one party capital of the world.
	And they hate that, by the way.
	They don't really necessarily like...
	The idea that when you think of Brazil, all you can think of is carnival and football.
	They're tired of that, too.
	I don't know about that.
	That's in this report.
	If you look at the whole report, they're like, we're tired of that.
	Well, I think they're tired of getting scammed.
	We want to do more.
	I've never, ever noticed a Brazilian being tired of being a partier.
	No, of having that brand, that label.
	Look, I'm just telling you what I saw.
	So now let's see, let's go across the globe to Haiku Herman's backyard to Belgium.
	Now, I've lived in Belgium.
	Ms.
	Mickey has lived in Belgium.
	We've both, we grew up in the Netherlands.
	We've seen this change.
	We've seen the third infiltration of the Ottoman Empire, which we've discussed many times on this program.
	And now...
	It's just about to get very real in Belgium, which, as you'll recall, has pretty much been without a government since we started this show.
	Right.
	And now, look what's happening.
	The Islam party in Belgium says it's preparing to campaign for setting up an Islamic state there.
	Two candidates from the newly established Islam party want seats in a recent municipal election.
	Let's discuss this now.
	It's Philip Klass, a Belgian Euro MP. Thank you so much, Mr.
	Klass, for joining our team.
	Now, the party plans to run in Belgium's national election in two years' time.
	What do you make of their achievements thus far?
	Well, of course, it's very worrying to see what's happening now.
	We see people with an Islamic background forming their own political parties now and demanding, you know, the introduction of Sharia law and an Islamic state in Belgium.
	We've always predicted this, but up till now, Muslim people mainly supported socialist parties and other leftist parties, but now they feel apparently confident enough To make their own party and to make their own revendications.
	And this is something really worrying, I think.
	You know, many Belgium cities, including Brussels, have neighborhoods with mainly Muslim populations.
	don't you think it's only natural for those people to want their representatives to be in power well first of all the people who come into our country and i'm not talking about just belgium but any other country in the european union people coming into the eu should adapt to a set of values i think uh...
	Good luck.
	Good luck.
	Well, this is clearly a right-wing propagandist, but this is the feeling that is going on all over Europe.
	And we've been talking about this for a long, long time on this show.
	And it's going to happen in our lifetime.
	We're going to see...
	It's going to get very, very ugly.
	And I think this is your 2017 mark, John.
	It's going to get really ugly in Europe.
	It really is.
	You have no...
	It's so hard for us in America to imagine.
	We're the big melting pot, and we've got every kind of person walking around, and for some reason it works.
	I can't explain it.
	But when you've had a thousand years of a closed society, closed culture, and all these independent Europe states, as they're now known, had kind of kept to themselves, and now you get this...
	This actual infiltration, it's going to come to a head.
	People are going to start freaking out.
	Anders Breivik was just the beginning of what you're going to see in Europe.
	Right now, the number of Muslims in Europe has grown from 29 million in 1994 to 44 million.
	The Muslim population is projected to exceed 58 million by 2030.
	They account for about 6% of Europe's total population, up from 4%.
	It's going to go up to eight.
	I can see where they would get into areas where they could take over the local government and then vote in Sharia law and see what happens because it would be just...
	It'll get in.
	It's a lot of people.
	If you have 8% of your population and one ethnic group that can actually get out and vote because you have these...
	You know, if it's part of a religious movement and everyone, you know, all these people vote, because most people vote, you know, what, 40% of the population votes, typically 50?
	And you have this small percentage that looks bigger because they all actually get out and vote.
	I think it could be an interesting situation.
	2017, I think, was your number, right?
	Well, that's when, yeah, well, that's an economic number.
	It's not the war number.
	The war number is 2020.
	Oh, is that when the war starts or ends?
	No, actually, the way it works, and if you look at them, it's an 80-year cycle.
	It started with the American Revolution.
	80 years later, we had the Civil War.
	80 years later, you can check these numbers.
	80 years later, we had World War II. And 80 years later, it's 2020.
	And that will be something.
	Now, World War II, for example, started before we got involved.
	Right.
	But it's still basically on this 80-year pattern.
	And so in 2020, and the thing is, this is one of the things I've been trying to find, which is the indicators of what the war will be.
	Will it be a war against China?
	I don't think so.
	I think it's going to be what looks like.
	Since it's never been resolved, it wasn't resolved in World War I. It wasn't a big war for us, but we got involved at the end.
	It wasn't resolved in World War I. It wasn't resolved before World War I. There's all this fighting going on.
	It wasn't resolved in World War II, as we can see by today's politics.
	And yeah, you can put together a European Union and you won't have war supposedly, but you have a civil war.
	Even if you had a one world government, you have civil wars then.
	Same thing, ethnic strife.
	It's going to happen again.
	I think it's going to happen in Europe.
	I think this may be part of it.
	And it's possible that because of the economic situation of 2017, which is your prediction, according to your cycle...
	That they may have to move the war forward because war does, of course, that's how you get out of economic problems.
	You have a big war.
	That's a Marxist economic thesis, but I'm not sure that's true.
	Hello, who's running Europe?
	You're telling me these aren't Marxist a-holes?
	Yeah, well, that's true.
	That's my point.
	I'm not saying let's do this.
	But we'll see.
	I'm a lover, not a fighter.
	This is material for the show the way I see it.
	And I'm all with you.
	Good news.
	Good news.
	They finally have a buyer for the Greek port.
	Remember they were asking 800 million euros for it?
	Right.
	Sold for 400 million euros.
	How is it possible?
	Right.
	This is the Hellenic Republic Asset Development Fund who is doing this.
	Now, this is the same way they ruined East Germany.
	Not ruined, but they stole all the goods, all the assets with the fund, which is basically all the banksters sit in this fund.
	And so this Hellenic Republic Asset Development Fund, which you can find at HRADF.com.
	I mean, there is so much cool stuff for sale, John.
	I think we should get in on it.
	Let's buy something.
	Let me give you the options here.
	We have the international broadcast centers for sale.
	There's 28, let me see, there's camping.
	Would you like a camping ground?
	How about the thermal springs?
	Would you like to buy that?
	Oh, that would be cool.
	Let's take a look at the thermal springs.
	Hold on.
	What do they want for that?
	Let's see.
	Thermal Springs.
	Wellness and Thermal Tourism.
	They give us some background here.
	This is Adapasis.
	Location.
	Very popular thermal spa destination in Greece.
	Located in northwestern coastal front of the Evia Island.
	Access from the mainland.
	Temperature.
	Beautiful temperature.
	There's a couple of them.
	There's like seven or eight of these.
	There's no...
	For further inquiries, you have to contact them.
	So there's eight thermal springs for sale.
	Would you like some infrastructure?
	Well, it depends.
	Is it something you can charge money to get people used?
	Yes, we have the motorway.
	Oh, I love the motorway.
	Or do you want the public power corporation?
	Or regional airports?
	Actually, public power is probably a better idea.
	This is for sale!
	What's the digital dividend?
	What's that?
	What's the digital dividend?
	That's also...
	The radio...
	Oh!
	Ooh!
	It's a server farm.
	No, the frequencies.
	The radio frequency spectrum is a valuable national resource of high potential.
	That's why we're selling it to a-holes from outside the country.
	It facilitates the operation of commercial TV, radio broadcasting, and mobile telecommunication providers.
	We should be getting us some frequencies.
	We can get 790 to 862 megahertz...
	That's what they call the digital dividend.
	And then also...
	That's AM, of course.
	That's...
	No, that's...
	No.
	790 megahertz?
	Oh, you're right.
	That is AM. Yeah.
	That's high.
	For AM. You want too much for it?
	Is that what you're saying?
	They're not giving you prices.
	That's what I hate.
	We can also give them...
	This is typical.
	It's like going into an art dealer.
	Yeah.
	When you don't see prices next to the art, you know it's a rip-off.
	And they'll have like an orange sticker on some of them, like someone really bought it.
	Yeah, right.
	And then there's also the 2.5 gig to 2.69 gig band, which is basically...
	Was that Wi-Fi?
	Yeah, well, 2.3 is Wi-Fi, so it's in that area.
	This is probably for a licensed over-the-air internet kind of thing.
	I just find it...
	For phones.
	Phones.
	Good for phones.
	I really get bile in my throat when I read how this is being done and how they're just selling it all off.
	Who is they?
	The fund.
	The Hellenic Republic Asset Development Fund.
	Who are these people?
	Okay.
	Well, we have gone through this.
	We have...
	Yeah, they're a bunch of douchebags.
	Well, it's...
	I think Greece, of all places, and the thing we always have to remember for people who are new to the show, we've researched this to death in Greece.
	Greece is the most productive workers, workforce, period, in terms of productivity numbers.
	They're way over the top.
	So why did they somehow take it in the shorts and all this...
	The Hellenic Republic Asset Development Fund was established on 1st of July 2011 under the medium-term fiscal strategy from the Troika, of course.
	The new law aimed to restrict governmental intervention in the privatization process and its further development within a fully professional context, i.e.
	bring in some outside a-holes to do it for us.
	Board of Directors.
	I think we've done this, Board of Directors.
	We have Stelios Stavridis.
	He's the president and chairman of the board.
	What is he from?
	He is...
	Probably a bank.
	No, they're all bankers.
	Yeah.
	He's the honorary chairman of the Franchise Association of Greece, whatever that is.
	Who's this guy?
	Giannis Emerus.
	Born in Athens, graduate of the Athens School of Economics, MBA from Columbia, Alpha Bank, okay, yeah, Alpha Bank, there's one banker.
	Andreas Trapopanizanes, he is a post-bank banker.
	Gee, it's bankers, John, how could this be?
	And then we have another guy.
	Bankers are getting to my nerves.
	It's all bankers.
	Yeah.
	They got a nice boardroom, though.
	Wow.
	Bitch in chairs.
	So that is in many countries' future.
	Many, many countries can look forward to this awesomeness.
	But it's just, meanwhile, it just kind of continues.
	By the way, since we're talking about the G8, just play the global tax avoidance clip, just the beginning of it, because this is what they were supposed to be talking about, not Syria.
	And had planned to discuss issues such as global tax avoidance and sustainable economic growth, but it looks like rising tensions over the escalating crisis in Syria are going to eclipse that formal agenda.
	So, apparently they had an agenda before, you know, unlike our show.
	They had an agenda, and I guess they're very preoccupied with this global tax avoidance problem that all these countries have.
	Because, you know, one country's storing their money in some other country and then other countries.
	And so they've got to put a stop to it.
	But they didn't get to it.
	They're going to have to have another meeting.
	Yeah.
	Because Obama had to go off to speak at the Brandenburg, the Bilderberg Gate.
	Yes.
	Now, this was problematic for our president.
	He was sweating.
	It wasn't really working out.
	Since when do we put him in an aquarium?
	Did you see that?
	Oh, that's right.
	Yeah.
	I mean, are the Germans out to kill our president?
	Well, because he spies on them, maybe.
	Well, so let's listen to the hagiographic commentary from the Obama-bought channels.
	President Obama calls...
	This is a compilation of CNN....for freedom, equal opportunity, and a reduction in the world's nuclear stockpiles.
	This is in a historic speech in Germany.
	This happened earlier today.
	Back in Berlin, Barack Obama in the footsteps of Reagan and JFK. The images are awesome.
	You can't be at the Brandenburg Gate without hearkening back to so many moments in history.
	Yeah, I can, because it sucked.
	It was a horrible speech.
	He was stumbling all over himself.
	He was not standing there out in the free.
	He was in an aquarium, because I guess the Germans are going to shoot him.
	And here's MSNBC on hard noggins.
	He has gotten along very well with Merkel.
	There's a relationship.
	What is that relationship?
	You know, I wondered about that.
	I wondered if it isn't what he started with.
	We don't look like the normal leaders.
	They're kind of outside.
	He's from the East.
	He's African-American.
	Yeah, that thing from the East is almost like a minority.
	Exactly, exactly.
	They're both outsiders who are now leading these societies.
	I think in a way, you know, Barack and Angela are the new Ronnie and Maggie.
	Now, but here's the funniest.
	Here's the funniest.
	So, of course, as Chris Matthews, the Obama bot extraordinaire, you have to explain why, you know, this was not, so this was all set up, obviously.
	Everyone was, they had their talking points, they had their scripts.
	It's legendary.
	Oh, the Germans loved it.
	It looks so New World Order-ish, by the way.
	And then, you know, but then he was sweating.
	He was stumbling.
	He wasn't getting the words out.
	And of course, you need to be apologetic.
	And how do we do that?
	What is that?
	Well, I think a lot of the problem he had today was the late afternoon sun in Berlin, I think, ruined his use of the teleprompters.
	And so his usual dramatic windup was ruined.
	I think he was really struggling with the text there.
	But on the board, I think the headline is going to be balance.
	He couldn't read the teleprompter because of the sun.
	I can see that happening.
	Of course, that's exactly what happened.
	And then he falls apart.
	And so that's an excuse?
	Yes.
	I can't read the teleprompter, so now I can't talk?
	I'm not that good anymore.
	How about, you know, what a pro does on TV, they have the printout in front of them, and usually they're flipping the page.
	People have seen this.
	You watch Anchor, the ones that really know what they're doing.
	I mean, if you're an amateur, and I've had this happen to me, Yes.
	Yes.
	They're not even looking at the paper.
	They're looking at the prompter, and the prompter is telling them where the page is ending.
	And they reach down, and they flip a page.
	And you see them flipping pages but not looking at these pages.
	Yes.
	That is what you're supposed to do.
	And Obama needs to move to this model because if he can't speak – if the teleprompter drops dead, he's doomed.
	It makes him look like an idiot.
	Well, he pretty much...
	Don't you think it'd be funny that he was flipping paper?
	He was flipping paper.
	You didn't see that?
	No, he was flipping paper?
	Yes.
	Well, then why didn't he just go to the paper?
	Because he's also trying to do his look.
	He's not a professional.
	He's not a good actor.
	He's not a good actor.
	That's just the bottom line.
	Sorry.
	Just not a good actor.
	So when you're talking about CNN and these hagiographic, which I think is the wrong way I'm using it, but whatever.
	Hagiographers.
	Um...
	I'm listening to Eric Burnett.
	Eric?
	Eric, yeah.
	Eric Burnett, yeah.
	So she's on a, she does this twice, and I was thinking, wow, this woman is, this is weird, she's preoccupied with this.
	Play the clip that says...
	WTF? No, no, that's actually a funny clip.
	Play that clip.
	No, we'll play that clip later.
	The one you want is Aaron Burnett stops on the word murder, part one.
	Oh, okay.
	Here we go.
	He had to get out of the U.S., and the government, quote, is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me.
	Murdering?
	So, this is talking about...
	About Snowden.
	Snowden.
	Yeah.
	And he's made this comment, they're going to murder him, which...
	Yeah.
	Do you think that's not...
	Is she so naive to think that that would never happen in a million years because it's crazy?
	It's crazy talk?
	Yeah.
	Well, it's...
	Yeah.
	Because they don't kill journalists unless you are from Rolling Stone and BuzzFeed.
	We'll talk about that in a minute.
	But play the second one.
	She gets into it again.
	On the murder?
	She can't believe that?
	On murder part two.
	Yeah, I got it.
	I'm just bumbling.
	I'm a yokel.
	And what about his allegations here?
	He had to get out of the U.S. because the government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me.
	The U.S. government murdering someone for this?
	No, I mean, that is just ridiculous.
	That's just crazy talk.
	We don't murder people.
	We dispose of them.
	Anyway, I just found that peculiar.
	Well, because she's counsel on foreign relations, John.
	Please.
	So, anyway.
	So, yeah, okay.
	We might as well...
	Well, we can talk about this or we can take a break for the producer list.
	Let me talk about Hastings.
	I also have a potential clip of the day.
	No.
	We haven't had a clip of the day.
	I'm going to do like you did last time.
	I have a potential clip of the day and I'm hoping to get the great award.
	I was going to bitch about NPR's new facility Oh, okay.
	We can take time for that.
	It's a giant new facility.
	It costs millions and millions of dollars so they can, you know, lay people off.
	So NPR, where was this article?
	Was it the New York Times?
	It's a beautiful place, by the way.
	400,000 square foot offices, North Capital.
	Yeah.
	Which is like, hello.
	High rent district.
	Very high rent district.
	Okay, so there was this tour...
	Was it Fishbowl DC? I don't know who did this, but it was pretty funny.
	So here's what they learned about the new NPR facility.
	Everybody at NPR just wants to be together.
	It's one of those open spaces.
	NPR developed its own digital content management system to organize and plan its shows.
	Why?
	Everybody really loves the new building.
	NPR likes random decorations with their logo, like a gong or a dog statue.
	It's like a dog statue with the NPR logo on it, like his master's voice or something.
	The science desk started an underground candy bar market to combat the poor vending selection.
	The building is expected to be L-E-E-D gold certified, and the almost 800 person staff, 800, and this is just the central guys.
	Yeah, they're all spread out all over the country.
	Yeah.
	But there was an update to this report.
	Contrary to reports spreading on Twitter, this story has never indicated NPR's building was paid for with taxpayer money.
	The story makes no mention of funding whatsoever.
	While it is true that NPR's affiliates, like many tax-exempt non-profit organizations, do receive small government grants, such money, according to NPR's audited financial statements, is a relatively small part of the organization's budget.
	That's right.
	It's paid for with underwriters, gifts, and donations.
	Yeah, underwriters.
	This thing cost $201 million, this building.
	And that's off the top.
	Yeah, $201 million.
	Yeah.
	I want people to pay attention to that as we read our donation list.
	I'm going to show myself old by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Let me just make mention, if we were to raise $201 million, I will personally blow every single one of you.
	Thank you.
	And one of our donors would get this treat.
	Derek Boley in North Sydney, New South Wales.
	A hundred bucks.
	Here's my second Knighthood Turbo Plan payment.
	Adam is the film reference in the donation segments of Sunday's show.
	Andrew Largeman is the Zach Braff character in Garden State 2004.
	A film still worth watching.
	I-M-H-O. Okay.
	I am not familiar with the film.
	I shall give it a whirl.
	Put it on the list.
	Mm-hmm.
	John Smith, if that is indeed his real name, $100.
	So do you think we should start saying spooks on the tap when we say in the morning to all ships that see boots on the ground, feet in the air, and spooks on the tap?
	No.
	No.
	Now here's a good $100 donation from Donald Silva because he's got a note that we need to read.
	Send it in.
	Another noteworthy note.
	It came in the mail.
	Dear John and Adam, recently I wanted to know something about Monsanto that I heard on your podcast.
	Okay.
	And I went to your show notes.
	The amount of material you two generated for a single show is astonishing.
	Uh-huh.
	That made me want to contribute another $100 to the show.
	Don in El Cerrito.
	Thank you.
	Well, and people should check out the show notes for this show.
	523.nashownotes.com John Donovan, Sir D. in San Jose, California, 7777.
	William Smith and Nat Chidotochis.
	I forgot.
	7373.
	Carson Overschwartz Nielsen.
	69!
	69, dudes!
	6969, and we have all these 6969.
	We don't have that many today.
	It's finally boiled down to 1, 2, 3, 4, which includes Mark Morley and Twickenham, UK, Miss Seal Gallagher.
	It says Miss Seal in the UK. My name's pronounced Mahal, like U-Hall, but for me, Me-Hall.
	So it's M-I-C-E-A-L is pronounced Me-Hall.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	Impossible.
	John Anderson in Lafayette, Louisiana.
	And that closes the second...
	69!
	69!
	It's still alive, but just barely.
	It's still alive, but barely.
	It's probably dropped dead this Sunday.
	Gerald Small, Chesterfield, Missouri.
	67-89.
	Oscar...
	Quiroga in Spring, another one in Spring, Texas.
	Can you say Porter, Texas for my city?
	I haven't changed my address over yet, sorry.
	But he's probably close enough.
	Pat Deary, Sir Pat Deary in Sarnia, Ontario.
	We have him down for birthday.
	Alan Peterson in Kirkwood, Missouri.
	Double nickels on the dime.
	Also, Rob Warren in Sunderland.
	Stephan, playing Stephan in Denver.
	Stephan in Denver, 55-10.
	James Mann.
	I think it's Stephan, but that's an argument.
	Stephan Stephan, Stephan.
	Ringgold, Louisiana, double nickels on the dime.
	Sean and Christy McDaniel.
	We got an alternate note from them.
	Baton Rouge?
	Baton Rouge.
	Baton Rouge.
	My wife and I made another donation this week for show 523.
	You'll be happy to know we are no longer going to feed our son cat food in order to contribute to the No Agenda show, which we thought, by the way, was an outstanding initiative.
	I've decided to quit smoking instead.
	Oh, very good.
	My wife, Christy, has been gracious enough to allow me to donate half of everything I save to No Agenda every month.
	Wow.
	That's, you know...
	Just stop smoking.
	Does everybody...
	This is a win-win.
	It's a win-win for everybody.
	Christy gets to buy some dresses because she gets the other half.
	And trust me, this is a lot...
	You know that Mickey and I have almost been smoke-free for a year now?
	Okay.
	How about that?
	How much money have you saved?
	Oh.
	If you calculate it, you should calculate it.
	Well, let's do it real quick.
	We were smoking, let's just say, seven days in a week, we smoked five packs.
	Each is ten packs.
	It is $90 times 52 weeks, about $5,000.
	What?
	Yeah, that's the calculation.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Onward.
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	Glenn Riccio in Charlottesville, Virginia, 5033.
	He was driving home from work through Northern Virginia a couple days ago while listening to the No Agenda podcast.
	He was discussing the significance of the number 33 when what do I see in front of me?
	A black Mercedes with the license plate 33.
	Yeah.
	I love how that works.
	Richard Payne in Richmond, Virginia, 50-01.
	And then the following are all $50 donors.
	Keith Gibson in Holly Springs, North Carolina.
	Great shows lately, he says.
	Brian Dore, 50.
	Michael Gates in Colorado Springs.
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	Robert Owens in Oak Hill, Virginia.
	Kyle Bauer, for parts unknown.
	And finally, Matthew Stevens in North Richmond Hill, right up the road from you, in Texas.
	We want to thank them and everyone else who helped us do Show 523.
	And everyone in Texas, look for a meet-up in spring.
	Yeah, bring your black powder, your loaded guns, and your beer and your trucks.
	And we'd be happy to join you.
	Thank you to our monthly donors.
	We always have a nice list of people who...
	It's so endearing.
	It's so nice where people say, look, I'm a student.
	Whatever is going on in my life, I don't have money, but I do have $5 a month or I have $12.12 or $33.
	There's people who are doing very substantial amounts for us.
	And over time, it's really what will keep us going.
	And you have to check to make sure that it's still there.
	PayPal cancels this.
	They cancel it without telling you.
	Yeah, I actually had a guy, I went back, I spot check cancellations.
	I don't do them all, but I do quite a few of them.
	So I sent these guys a $4 a week guy, which is one of the...
	One of the originals, yeah, one of the older ones.
	Well, that's the weekly thing for, you know, a dollar a show.
	Two bucks a show or something like that.
	And so it got canceled.
	That kind of donation is odd enough that I wanted to check.
	So I checked.
	So he says, yeah, I had to cancel it.
	Or no, it got canceled by PayPal because they won't take updated credit cards.
	So I had to redo it from scratch.
	And I'm thinking that the cheapest, crappiest shopping cart software, you go in there and if the cart doesn't work, you can put a new cart in.
	Why come PayPal can't do this?
	Yeah, they're not our friends.
	No.
	And you know, that is, that is, and it's bound to happen.
	I guarantee, I can tell you right now, put it in the red book.
	I hate to put it out in the universe.
	There will be a day, whether it's by accident, it's a mistake, or whatever.
	We're going to get cut off from PayPal.
	It's going to happen.
	You know that's going to happen, right?
	The odds are in favor of the prediction.
	Yes.
	And it'll be like, oh, we're sorry.
	And how many weeks do you think it'll take to get it reinstated?
	Probably about two or three.
	Yeah, I think enough to make us be very hungry.
	Yeah.
	You know it's bound to happen.
	That's all right.
	That's all right.
	At least we don't have to, you know.
	Anyway.
	We're doing what we can.
	We're just getting by.
	We really do appreciate the support.
	And remember, we have a Sunday show coming up where we'll have more analysis for you, more deconstruction.
	Sundays are always a tough one for donations.
	So keep us in your thoughts, please.
	Javorac.org slash NA.
	It's your birthday, birthday.
	Oh, no, I'm a champion.
	And we've got a nice list right now.
	Robert Heganis says happy birthday to his beautiful wife, Summer, who turns 21.
	No, who celebrates tomorrow, June 21st.
	Send pictures.
	Sir Pat Deary congratulates himself on celebrating tomorrow.
	And Sir Borislav Marinov congratulates his human resource, Darren, who turns one.
	And happy 150th birthday today to the state of West Virginia.
	Yes!
	I used to go to school there, so I'm partial to West Virginia.
	And I talked to a guy on the ham radio in West Virginia the other day.
	Oh, you did?
	Yeah.
	Did you say 73 to him?
	Yeah.
	Well, of course.
	I fixed my antenna.
	Did you get a CQCQ? Did you get them that way?
	A QSL card?
	I got lots of cute QSL cards.
	Oh, you're collecting the QSL cards.
	People just send them.
	Did you have one designed for you?
	Miss Mickey has promised me we're going to do it.
	But I don't want the typical.
	So a QSL card means if you have a contact, then you exchange a postcard to the mail, which consists of the report of your reception and a picture, typically of you with a hat in shorts and sandals in front of your rig.
	I like the cartoon versions better.
	And here's another one.
	If I'm going to do QSL cards, I'm going to get an antique one from the archives from the 20s, and I'm going to use that.
	Okay.
	You have not...
	In order to get a QSL card, you have to do a QSO first.
	And we have a knighthood to do, and I'm very, very happy we can do this for Jan Dubroka.
	So if you could...
	It's been...
	My God, John, it's been two months?
	What?
	There you go.
	I guess your sword made a noise.
	Oh, there it is.
	I see.
	Okay, got it.
	John DeBroca, come forward, sir, and kneel as we are very proud to bring you into the roundtable.
	It is fabulous to see you here.
	And as you have now contributed to the No Agenda Show, the best podcast in the universe, the amount of $1,000 or more, we hereby pronounce the...
	Sir protector of your family, or my family, Dubroka, Jan, welcome to the No Agenda Nights.
	For you, sir, hookers and blow-rap boys and chardonnay, hot pants and booze, long-haired heavy metal guys and scotch, wenches and beer, rubin as women and rosé, gushes and sake, bakken and vanilla, bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider and escorts, or mutton and mead right here at the table of the Nights.
	It's round for the Nights and Dames.
	Holy crap.
	Sorry, that was a little...
	I hurt the desk there.
	You dropped the sheet?
	So the thing that we have not heard about, which has been pretty much dropped from the news, was Fast and Furious.
	That, of course, is...
	And aren't we all happy that we have all these distractions to think about?
	So, remember, there's this document from the Sinaloa cartel.
	It's a filing in Chicago.
	Filing in Chicago.
	Well, give us a quick background, and then I'll give you the update.
	All right, there's a filing.
	They got one of the Sinaloa cartel guys mixed up with somebody, and they ended up extraditing him in the United States, and then they're going to sue him for being a punk in Mexico.
	And they took him to Chicago, and it's ridiculous because they...
	The U.S. government, according to this guy, has done a deal with the Sinaloa cartel, and they're not supposed to be bringing people in.
	This was messed up.
	So the court filing, which is the complaint, lists, he says, here's what's been going on.
	We're immune from prosecution, and I shouldn't be here.
	And so they're asking for a bunch of documents to prove it.
	And in the process, they said...
	The whole Fast and Furious thing was not a mistake.
	It was a gun-running operation, and it's all documented, well, who did the deal, who was doing it, why we were doing it, to get the Sinaloa cartel to take over all the cartels, and so the U.S. government only has to deal with one instead of a bunch of different gangs.
	So, in the Federal Register, a little interesting note popped up.
	Now, you know we have Bad Chad, producer, who's also...
	Oh, but wait, wait.
	By the way, nobody else is talking about this.
	Thank you.
	Except us.
	So on the Freedom Controller, which we're working on a new release, we can sign everybody up and take you away from Google+.
	That is my plan, by the way, to make something y'all go like, well, screw this crap, let's get on this thing.
	And it'll be free and open and fair and balanced.
	So Bad Chad is on the Freedom Controllers, and he's in Colorado.
	And he is our Federal Register guy.
	So I subscribe to the feed of the Federal Register, but Chad is really doing the work.
	I've got to say, I've got to be honest, he is the producer of all things Federal Register.
	And so he throws this into his feed on the Freedom Controllers and then I find it.
	And he found what I think is just a spectacular little entry.
	The Treasury has something called the SDN list, which is the specially designated nationals and blocked persons list.
	And this is what they put all the terrorists on.
	So if you're a terrorist and you're in Waziristan, you're on the list.
	If you are some China who's trying to ship some stuff, you're on the list.
	And people get put on this list all the time.
	What does not happen very often, can you guess?
	No, I can't guess.
	I don't know where this is going.
	It's got something to do with the cartel.
	Yeah, well, you don't usually get taken off the list.
	Oh, yeah, this is true.
	In any government, it's kind of rare you get taken off.
	I've been on a list.
	I remember when I was flying in from London a couple times a year.
	The first couple years of the show, you were getting stopped consistently because you were on some lists because they had you mixed up with some would-be terrorist that lived in North Dakota with the name Adam Curry.
	Correct.
	Correct.
	And so you kept coming through, and every time you did, it was like one of the show segments.
	Discuss your experience.
	Discuss your experience.
	Which was always very apologetic.
	They treated you, they didn't beat you up or anything, so it was kind of a plus.
	Well, until the time where I got pissed off, and I said, isn't my passport enough to let me into the country?
	And they went like, oh, bitch, no, you didn't.
	Remember, that was like a three-hour ordeal.
	Yeah, they put you in the room.
	The lock-up.
	So, part of the Kingpin Act is what gets you on the list.
	So, if you're a Kingpin, which means you would be, I don't know, head drug dealer?
	Is that kind of what I... The cartel, I think a gangster, a famous gangster, or maybe some Mexican mafia guy.
	Who knows?
	So the Kingpin Act blocks all property and interest in property subject to U.S. jurisdiction owned or controlled by significant foreign narcotics traffickers as identified by the President.
	The President!
	In addition, the Secretary of the Treasury consults with the Attorney General, the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, the Director of the FBI, the Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Agency, the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, Homeland Security, so everyone's involved in this list.
	And look what happened.
	On June 12, 2013, the director of OFAC, which I guess is Obama for America Care, removed from the SDN list three individuals and two entities listed below.
	Beltran Sanchez, Nationality, Mexican, Address, Sinaloa, Zermino Beltran, Guillermo, Address?
	Sinaloa.
	Zermo Beltran Patricia, I guess this is his wife.
	Her address?
	Sinaloa.
	Entities?
	Fabri Diesel, Juan de Dios Batiz, Los Mochis, Sinaloa.
	Off the list.
	And Fabri Diesel SA, the CV, Sinaloa.
	Do you think that this is coincidence, John?
	No, obviously not.
	It's interesting that nobody's mentioning or covering any of this, of course.
	I mean, it's like a red flag.
	It's Sinaloa.
	Are you kidding me?
	Hello?
	So why were they taken off the list?
	No explanation.
	But they were taken off the list for some reason.
	The president says they could be taken off the list.
	That's because of this guy in Chicago.
	Yes, of course it is.
	Did you know, by the way, that the House passed a $638 billion defense bill like two days ago?
	Did you know this?
	Yeah, I think we were distracted by something.
	Yeah, so this is what I, this is, and they did it very well because, you know, we had the whole sex scandal in the military, and that's where everyone was talking about, oh, getting raped in the military, and oh, this is horrible.
	That's all part of the defense bill.
	So the way it works, and of course it's a problem, There's a problem everywhere.
	There's sex crimes taking place in every industry.
	This happens to be a big industry.
	But they took care of all that problem and put in whatever legislation, which I've not paid attention to, but meanwhile authorized $638 billion in spending on the military.
	Isn't that pretty much 70% of all of our dough?
	Isn't that pretty much it?
	No, still they have the healthcare stuff that's expensive.
	Right, that's the other 70%.
	Yeah, it's a lot of money.
	It's almost a trillion.
	We have some sales to let you know how the America Inc.
	is doing.
	This is from the Defense Security Cooperation Agency.
	Hmm, that's a new one.
	Pursuant to the reporting requirements of Section 36B of the Arms Export Control Act, we are forwarding here with Transmittal No.
	1315.
	We made a sale!
	John, ring the bell!
	Sale, sale, sale!
	Front!
	We have sold $588 million worth of stuff to Libya.
	Libya, where there's tons of terrorists still in Libya.
	It consists of $222 million of major defense equipment and $366 million of other...
	Scanners.
	So, no, we did a couple of C-130 aircraft.
	That's the big deal.
	That's good money.
	Yeah, it's great money.
	We have another sale.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	That's another sale.
	Oh, oh.
	Front.
	This is like, this is a big deal.
	This is like half a billion dollar contracts.
	This is, what are we selling here?
	This is to Kuwait.
	Kuwait.
	We have, oh, wow, not so good.
	Not so good.
	200 million dollars.
	To the government of Kuwait, and also under Section 36B. And this is technical logistics support for F-18s.
	This consists of major defense equipment, $0 million, and $200 million of other.
	Other.
	So good work!
	A lot of others being sold.
	Yeah.
	No, that's not major defense equipment.
	So good work, everybody.
	Good work.
	We've...
	We've sold some more stuff to kill brown people.
	Very good.
	It works.
	Excellent job.
	Fantastic.
	Really, really great.
	Onward.
	Yes.
	So I have...
	These two clips I'm going to play, one which could be...
	No.
	No, no, no.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Which is the caller cutoff clip.
	There's two of them from C-SPAN. There's caller cutoff and then C-SPAN explains.
	But...
	I want people out there to listen to these two clips and realize how many hours it must have taken me to find these two clips, because they're not the same show or anything.
	But they're one of the call-in shows, and I think you're going to really appreciate clip number one.
	Okay, here we go.
	Practices and programs is a manifestation of that continuity.
	Ben is up next from Clayton, Louisiana, on our independent line.
	Good morning, Ben.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Mr.
	Zarate.
	Good morning, Ben.
	How are you, sir?
	Pretty good.
	My question is, I used to drive a truck cross-country, and I was about 15 miles when they hit the towers.
	After that, they made us go west.
	It came out that the NSA knew about that, and we were understanding from the state troopers that were pushing us west, Ben, what are you saying the NSA knew about?
	NSA knew ahead of time that this was going to happen.
	They had put out on the news, didn't have it out very long.
	Are you talking about September 11th, Ben?
	Mm-hmm.
	Well, hold off on the conspiracy theories of September 11th.
	Let's go to Elijah from Oceanside, California, on our Democratic line.
	Good morning, Elijah.
	You actually heard the click.
	Normally you don't even hear the click.
	He's done.
	I'm withholding judgment until we hear your second clip.
	Well, the second clip is not as good.
	I mean, because it's not just...
	But the second clip is another show, Washington Journal.
	It was a different show.
	They had one of the good-looking women.
	And so when I first heard the first clip, I said, oh, my God, this is terrible.
	And then this woman on C-SPAN, she kind of brings it around to make it a little more interesting.
	And you play...
	This is all the talk about the NSA and these people calling it.
	And by the way, I want to remind everyone that apparently...
	Well, you'll see.
	Play this clip.
	New York, New York.
	Alex, Democratic caller.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	And I really appreciate that you're encouraging the healthy skepticism that is really important for democracy.
	I wanted to ask you about spying and the enormous expense of war and security.
	All these, of course, are motivated by 9-11.
	And if you've read the NIST reports, as I have, Then you know that we've given up our civil liberties, even though the government never explained how the towers came down the way they did and never tested for explosives.
	And you know that Building 7, a high-rise...
	Alex, I'm going to stop you there and ask you a question.
	We've been getting a lot of calls lately on this show from people who believe that 9-11 was...
	There's like a theory that it was an inside job.
	Are you part of a group or an effort that's trying to get this on the show?
	Well, actually, I've read in Homeland Security training brochures that 9-11 truth activists are potential terrorists.
	And I guess that means that my email records are among those that the government feels it can read and review.
	And I suppose that under the NDA, I could be indefinitely detained.
	And that has me concerned.
	Well, Alex, can you answer my question about if this is a group effort?
	Are you part of an organization or anything?
	I'm an American citizen concerned about...
	My privacy.
	And that's why I'm calling in because...
	Okay.
	Let's get a response from the congressman on the question of privacy issues.
	Well, I agree with the healthy skepticism, Alex.
	And I think you raise a great point about that.
	I would tell you that I... Right.
	So apparently there's a movement going on.
	Yeah.
	Why don't they do this with our no agenda people?
	Thank you.
	This is what I don't understand.
	Someone's organized somewhere and they're doing something.
	Yeah, and I think this woman was correct, because I guess it wasn't just those two incidents.
	I could have probably tuned in any time and heard another one of these guys come.
	It's like when Howard Stern was having people bababoo on everything they called in.
	We have got nothing except this one story about the NPR local station where somebody did call in, and we got a new listener.
	I'm just very distressed by this.
	But I don't really feel like these are totally clip-of-the-day worthy.
	Well, the first one was, but since you bypassed it, it's okay.
	No, that's okay.
	Don't worry.
	No, no, no, no.
	It was okay, but, you know, it's like, I don't know.
	I mean, if it happened on, you know, like C-SPAN. Yeah, usually you fall out of your chair, then it's clip of the day, and that's about it.
	If I did, but I didn't fall out of my chair.
	I'm honest.
	I give you clip of the day whenever it's warranted.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I mean, don't get mad.
	No, it's fine.
	It's fine.
	I'm not mad.
	Hey, you know who's on CNN? Because they're really ruining this channel now.
	CNN is really...
	You're right.
	They're really...
	They're ruined.
	So, first of all, they brought Michaela in from Good Day LA. Yeah, Michaela, who I know personally, by the way.
	Who I like.
	She's cool.
	But I feel bad because she's not going to last more than six months, and she'll be off the air, and then she'll be screwed.
	So I hope she got a really good deal.
	But also, Morgan Spurlock.
	Now, isn't he the guy that did, like, the documentary...
	Did he do Super Size Me?
	Did he do that?
	Let me think.
	I think...
	Yeah, Morgan's...
	I think he did...
	He did the documentary about...
	See the guy with the beard?
	Morgan Valentine Spurlock is an American documentary filmmaker, humorous television producer, screenwriter, political activist, known for his film Supersize Me.
	That guy.
	Yeah, that guy.
	The hamburger eater.
	The hamburger guy.
	Yes, that's the guy.
	That's the guy.
	He's now on CNN. Yes.
	Yes.
	You want to hear what he has to say?
	Oh, brother.
	I mean, I feel like if you do universal background checks, it's a great start.
	If you create a database where people with mental problems don't have access to firearms, that's a great place to start.
	If you limit the amount of high-capacity magazines, that's a great place to start.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Click.
	Not one place to start.
	Not watching your show, dude.
	How horrible is that, man?
	I don't see any evidence that he's on CNN. You sure it's the same guy?
	Yeah!
	Okay, I'll look it up then for you.
	Yeah, he's got a new...
	The CNN's talking about it.
	Obviously, he doesn't have any fans because it hasn't been updated on his wiki page.
	Somebody has shot the things on the wiki page like two minutes later.
	Let me see.
	Yeah, I think...
	Well, let's see.
	We'll see.
	Morgan Spurlock.
	Spurlock, CNN. Yeah.
	Morgan Spurlock, Inside Man, CNN.com.
	Inside Man.
	Posted by Oscar-nominated filmmaker.
	What is Inside Man?
	Inside Man.
	He's on Inside Man.
	There he is.
	Find out what's really going on.
	Morgan Spurlock, Inside Man.
	Does he have a promo?
	About Inside Man.
	Is CNN... Yeah, I think so.
	There's maybe.
	Underneath there.
	Okay, let's see.
	Inside...
	It's coming to CNN June 23rd.
	Is that...
	That's Sunday.
	Yeah, Sunday, Sunday.
	Inside Man.
	The original series, Inside Man, hosted by Oscar-nominated documentary filmmaker Morgan Spurlock, gives viewers an insider's view of diverse sectors of American life, diving deep into hard-hitting issues like medical marijuana.
	Woo!
	There's a hard-hitting issue.
	The elder care industry.
	Wow.
	Migrant farm workers.
	Woo!
	1967.
	Gun ownership, union workers, bankruptcy.
	This is nothing.
	This sounds like a bunch of bull crap.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well, you just heard what he said.
	It's a good start to get a database on mental health issues.
	Oh, man, it's like...
	Okay, this show's a dog.
	Yeah, Pierce Moron, he had...
	This whole thing, it's nuts.
	They're trying to just...
	You know what?
	I'm not even going to show it.
	I don't care.
	Forget about it.
	Forget I even brought it up.
	It's too stupid.
	It's too stupid.
	It is stupid.
	But if you had Daniel Ellsberg on your show...
	Yeah, you're interviewing Daniel Ellsberg, who was, of course, of the Pentagon Papers.
	Would you be interested in talking to him, or would you want to make room for something else?
	If I had Daniel Ellsberg booked in the situation we're in now, in the news cycle we're in now, I would let him ramble on about all kinds of stuff.
	I think he'd probably be very interesting.
	Church terrified him.
	He said it was a bridge we must never cross to have NSA turn its capabilities, which are directed to foreigners, turn them to the American people.
	He said that is an abyss from which there is no return.
	Well, we have crossed that bridge.
	Daniel, I'm going to have to jump in.
	We have to go to a break, I'm afraid.
	It's been great to talk to you, and also to Glenn Greenwald.
	Thank you both very much indeed for joining me tonight.
	It's a debate that will run, and I'm sure we'll talk again.
	Thank you very much.
	And our condolences obviously go to Michael.
	He interrupted him, cut him off, said, I'm sorry, we have to move on.
	Why?
	He was a regular on the show and will be sorely missed by us and by everyone at CNN and indeed many news organizations.
	He was a terrific, provocative journalist who will be really, really missed.
	When we come back, the true life Hollywood story is so good it just had to become a movie.
	The star-struck teens who broke into the homes of celebrities and their real-life victim, Paris Hilton.
	She's in the chair.
	Yay!
	We have to go to the chair with Paris Hilton.
	What?
	That's why he had to cut off Ellsberg.
	So he cuts off Ellsberg, who's on a roll.
	Yeah.
	Making a pretty good point about turning the gun against yourself kind of thing.
	Yeah.
	Point of no return on all the rest of it.
	And just kills that segment, and it's to bring on Paris Hilton?
	In the chair, yes.
	Oh.
	Welcome to the...
	Adam's gonna read his email.
	Here we go!
	Are you ready for it, everybody?
	Lots of people hating that jingle.
	Including me.
	It is the Rick Roll of our time because it just keeps coming back like bad Mexican lunch.
	Hi, Adam.
	Wanted to update you on one of your emails from episode 521, one hour and three minutes into the podcast.
	I cannot verify if that the NSA FBI was tapping of the calls, etc., but I can explain the technology.
	I sold voice and data switches for over 15 years.
	Avaya, in particular, has been able to push patches, etc., to telephone switches for many, many years.
	The Avaya experts can remotely monitor a system from several of the data centers.
	They, Avaya, would contact their clients proactively to let them know of any issues.
	Regarding the other comment about being able to tell if the caller is upset, etc., well, that has been in place for a long time as well.
	Now, pay attention, people.
	Here comes a No Agenda tip.
	When you call into many call centers and get voicemail, you can tell certain words and you can get to the front of the line.
	So if you're upset, all you have to do is say, "Fuck, fuck, fuck" a few times and you go straight to the front of the queue.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Yeah, this is a great tip!
	So they are analyzing all of what's going on while you're waiting in the queue.
	While you're on call waiting.
	Yeah, while you're hearing that word.
	Your call is important to us.
	Yeah, your call is important to us.
	So all you have to do is start bitching and moaning and you move right to the front.
	So this is a tip worthy of mentioning on No Agenda, I think.
	And we send some karma to his 97-year-old granny.
	Then we have one more note here.
	Fuck you, Curry.
	Last week I was in the middle of some really hot sex and just as it was starting to get really good, Adam's gonna read his email starts going over in my head and it ruined it!
	Thank God there was no one else there, otherwise it would have been embarrassing.
	It got a real chuckle.
	It got a real chuckle.
	I've kept that email for two shows now.
	I haven't gotten to it.
	When I read that, I thought it was funny.
	Yeah, it's cute.
	It's a good joke.
	Yeah, it's a good lead and he gets you going.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So that was it for that.
	Yeah.
	Let's see what else.
	Let's talk a little bit about Hastings.
	Yeah, so this is kind of funny.
	How we have the guy who helped McChrystal get out.
	And I think our analysis at the time, he was writing for Rolling Stone, is that McChrystal wanted out and that this guy was brought in to help him get out.
	You can't quit.
	Right.
	You have to be booted out.
	He got a bad assignment.
	He didn't like it.
	It was getting on his nerves.
	He wanted to retire, but he couldn't just quit.
	So they did a hit piece on him.
	At the bequest of, I mean, McChrystal probably figured out how to do it and told him how to write it, and he put it together, and this was in 2010.
	Yes.
	And so now, I want to play a couple clips here, because...
	Can we just set it up so not everyone, I mean, we're so...
	Oh, yeah, okay, so we had this writer, Michael Hastings, who lived, apparently, in central L.A. I think I saw his, I know where he lives.
	And he was in this little Highland Park, I think is the name of the area, and it's a very tree-lined, very beautiful.
	And he was 33 years old.
	33 years old, right, exactly.
	And he hits a tree, the car blows up like the Simpson cartoon.
	The engine flies 180 feet further.
	Yeah, some very suspicious about all this.
	And so he dies.
	He dies and everyone's doing...
	No, he burns alive in this car.
	Yeah, he burns...
	The car doesn't explode.
	No, the car catches fire.
	This is not a typical...
	I mean, you see the video, the footage.
	This thing is on fire.
	Like, the whole thing is just...
	I mean, Mercedes, which is Mercedes, should be ashamed of themselves.
	How does this happen?
	Is there a record of you have a frontal collision?
	Because it's a fun...
	Oh, and so he does have...
	That's funny, because the car that...
	Because I went to Street View to find his place where he lives, and there was a Mercedes out front.
	It's funny.
	Yeah, it's a Mercedes.
	So the Mercedes, he hits a tree head-on, and apparently it was going very fast, so fast that the engine rips out, and the engine and transmission is 180 feet further.
	This is only from what I've read and seen, obviously.
	I wasn't there.
	And the car catches fire.
	Yeah, it's very suspicious.
	And his wife has been off Twitter like two weeks before this, and then she has yet to return, which is interesting.
	She used to be the speechwriter for Condoleezza Rice.
	And a Republican.
	He was always a Democrat.
	And he was a Democrat in 2010 when he did that piece, that hit piece on McChrystal.
	And he maintained his Obama-bot status through 2012.
	And I have a clip to show you what kind of an Obama-bot he was, which you have to consider, because he turned...
	And went against Obama, and it showed up on all these shows.
	He was getting cut off the way Pierce cut off this guy that you just heard.
	And he eventually went kind of nutty against Obama.
	I don't know if you have any concept of why that happened, but I think he turned on Petraeus.
	He mainly targeted Petraeus, Hillary Clinton, and Benghazi, where it looked like his targets were right.
	This is where I think the problem is.
	Max Kaiser says that he found out the FBI was following him and he had spoken to a WikiLeaks lawyer.
	I think this is all a big bullshit distraction.
	I think this is part of the Clinton body count.
	You might be right, because he definitely got into a...
	In fact, I printed out a lot of these.
	This is the guy...
	He got into a real beef with a Clinton spokesperson.
	This is the guy who...
	Remember, we even talked about this on the show, where Clinton's spokesperson told him to go, fuck off.
	Right.
	So I think, if anything, this has the Clintons written all over it because if you want to kill somebody, if the CIA or the NSA or the FBI, they don't crash you like this.
	No, they walk by you like Breitbart.
	They give you a little pinprick and you die of a heart attack and then the coroner kills himself.
	This is how they do it.
	Go watch Rubicon.
	It's a little pinprick.
	You're dead.
	It's undetectable.
	Sorry, he died of a heart attack.
	This is the way the Clintons do it.
	They have no class.
	Classless.
	The guy's name is Philippe Raines, and they went back and forth.
	I do have a couple of notes that went back and forth.
	Now I understand why the official investigation of the Department of Defense, as reported by the Army Times, the Washington Post, concluded beyond about that you're an unmitigated asshole.
	Yeah.
	How's that for a non-bullshit response?
	Now that we've gotten that out of our systems, have a good day.
	And by that, I mean, fuck off.
	So that's the response from the Clintons, or the Clinton spokesperson.
	And what was that in regard to?
	Do you recall what that was about?
	Yeah, it was a question about Benghazi.
	Yeah, there you go.
	So he was, if anything...
	And it makes sense because he was very heavily involved with the military-industrial complex, and he probably made friends.
	I have friends in the MIC. General Ham, I will point out, is going to be testifying this coming week.
	Did you know that?
	No, that's good.
	Yeah, and he retired after Benghazi.
	So something is up, something is going on, and we'll see what happens to Ham.
	Well, we'll find out.
	But anyway, let's play a couple clips just to give you an idea of what kind of a...
	This is the Michael Hastings before clip.
	It says, number one, this is the clip of Hastings after he came out with his little book about the 2012 elections.
	And he's still an Obama bot.
	And this is probably around January of this year.
	The press.
	And you talk in the book about one member of the press, the White House Press Corps, who tried to get the president to open up to a sock box.
	Puppet.
	Now, honestly, did someone actually produce a sock puppet?
	Yeah, a hand puppet, sock puppet, whatever you want to call it.
	Yes, it was a puppet that looked like Obama.
	This individual reporter who worked for the Wall Street Journal put the puppet on her hand and started asking the president for an interview and going like this and back and forth.
	I refuse to do the squeaky voice on camera because I'll be forever on YouTube.
	But it was very strange.
	And I learned later that Obama said, you know, that was one of the weirdest moments that I've experienced with the media.
	We know journalists like ourselves tend to like a drink.
	Was she drinking somewhere?
	I think she was 100% sober.
	I mean, but that's the presence of Obama, even on the press corps, even on the people who follow him every day.
	When they're near him, they lose their mind sometimes.
	You know, they start behaving in ways that are juvenile and amateurish, and they swoon.
	And, of course, you don't.
	Oh, I do.
	No, I did.
	I did.
	I did.
	Oh, I totally.
	Oh, man.
	You know, I first met President Obama in 2006 when he was a senator.
	He was visiting Baghdad.
	I was the correspondent there.
	You mentioned that.
	I mentioned that, yeah.
	And, of course, I got to ask my question.
	So, of course, I'd say, well, you know, Mr.
	President, this is the second time I met you.
	And did I ask the hardball question?
	Did I ask about drones?
	Did I ask about civil liberties?
	No.
	I did not.
	I guess I'm not at liberty to say what I asked about.
	But it was soft.
	Typical.
	Thank you for the admission, Michael Hastings.
	And the book is called Panic 2012.
	A great read.
	Right.
	Obama bots.
	So that's an Obama guy.
	Yeah.
	That's somewhere changed along the way.
	And Benghazi may have been it because he might be working on that.
	Who knows?
	He's dead now.
	But it started to change on some of these different shows.
	And the last time I believe that he appeared on Bashir's show was when Bashir had to cut him off.
	And I'll just throw this clip in, which is Hastings, he jumps, he's bitching about Petraeus.
	He says the guy was a bit terrible guy and all the rest.
	Bashir tries to turn the conversation around.
	Hastings goes off on Petraeus and then they just cut him off on the show.
	The idea that the fact that he was sleeping with somebody else besides his wife, that that's the thing that's going to bring him down, to me, is very bizarre.
	Mike, that's a fairly harsh assessment of a man who's regarded by many people in the military as an outstanding four-star general.
	Well, I mean, I think that could...
	He might be an outstanding four-star general.
	Everything I said also might be true.
	What I've tried to do in my reporting on him is give a counter-narrative to the man known as King David.
	He's extremely ambitious.
	One of the most memorable quotes that another general told me about General Petraeus was, he leaves the dead dog on your doorstep every time.
	That means every new assignment that he would take over, he would try to make the guy before him look like it was their fault.
	As I said, I think he's been given a pass.
	Michael Hastings, I'm afraid we've run out of time, but thank you so much, Mike.
	Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
	Have you seen the sign MSNBC, bitch?
	Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
	Calm down with that.
	I have too much more of that.
	Now, the last one, I think, is the last time he appeared.
	He was on a show with this guy.
	I've never even seen this show before, and the guy's name, if I have it here.
	I think it's, I don't know, Perry.
	I can't remember who it is, but it's some...
	Douchebag who has a whole bunch of people on, and Hastings really gets into it with a couple of them.
	But before we play that, I have kind of a funny short clip.
	Let's see if I got these right.
	Yeah, I got a short clip where this is when he's still in Obamabot.
	And the only reason I want to play this clip is because I want people to realize what he's saying in this clip.
	He's discussing a meeting with the press corps that Obama decides to visit because he likes to apparently hang out with the press.
	But nobody's supposed to ever report that.
	In this play, this is the Hastings on White House etiquette.
	Covering the Obama campaign for BuzzFeed.
	And during the last two months, when everyone was kind of getting crazy about basically every little thing that went on, I wrote a story pointing out that President Obama had shown up about a month earlier at a drink session with journalists.
	That's all I did, the fact that he showed up.
	Hanging out with journalists.
	Hanging out with journalists.
	That's it.
	Have a Coca-Cola.
	Knocking back a Sam Adams.
	I'm not allowed to say he was doing that, but that's what he might have been doing.
	Might have been doing it.
	If he was there.
	If he were actually there.
	Exactly.
	But I'm not allowed to acknowledge the existence of it.
	However, I did.
	I wasn't up on all the necessarily nice things.
	You're supposed to lie about it.
	That's what I was told afterwards, even though it's part of the White House full policy to note it.
	But anyway...
	And so, the reporters, not the White House, the reporters got really angry with you.
	They did.
	I was lectured by the White House guy who runs the White House Correspondent Association, sort of sat me down and explained to me.
	Who's that?
	Ed Henry at Fox News.
	Nice guy.
	You know, he's in a tough spot.
	He's dealing with reporters, dealing with the White House.
	He's dealing with people like me.
	You know, I pity him.
	That's not easy.
	And then they said, you know, if you continue to do this, you're not going to be welcome here.
	And that was one of the moments that I go into detail in the book.
	Probably more than anyone needs to know, but definitely check it out.
	And before you go on to your final clip...
	I looked into this BuzzFeed, and the more I look at these so-called alternative news sites, the more I'm discouraged about it.
	BuzzFeed, how many people co-founded Huffington Post?
	A million?
	Everyone in the world is a co-founder of the Huffington Post.
	I mean, Arianna Huffington, she apparently, did she have to do anything?
	I have no idea.
	Kenneth Lirer.
	He's the chairman and co-founder of the Huffington Post.
	He set up BuzzFeed.
	And everyone at BuzzFeed is running BuzzFeed.
	And by the way, they have raised $50 million for this BuzzFeed outfit.
	They have a newly announced partnership with CNN. This is the regime.
	This is a propagandistic organization.
	And any news outfit that is raising money from Obama donors who are venture capital firms, it's corrupt.
	Yeah.
	It's completely corrupt.
	Well, I think the story that we just listened to is the most corrupt thing I've heard for a long time.
	Yeah, shut up.
	And they're laughing about it.
	Yeah, it's so hilarious.
	Shut up.
	I was taken aside because I mentioned that Obama was at the bar drinking a Sam Adams.
	Oh, you can't do that.
	No.
	You're going to get kicked off the fence.
	All the other journalists got all bent out.
	You're going to get us all killed.
	You're going to get us all kicked out of this soft job where we don't do anything.
	Yeah.
	We just read the...
	Okay, so this now brings something else to mind.
	Maybe it's not Hillary Clinton.
	Maybe it was just one of his colleagues.
	Like, this guy is such a dick.
	Let's run him off the road.
	No, this is not creative.
	Just run him off the road.
	Do 120 miles an hour into a tree in a residential area?
	That took some effort.
	There's a lot of ways you can do that.
	Well, I know there's ways of doing it, but I'm not going to go about doing it.
	But remember, it's not...
	The guy seemed like, you know, near the end here, when it was this last clip where he just gets into it, with one of the people that's on this panel, he even tells them he's just writing talking points down.
	He's all upset.
	He's very upset.
	Well, all I'm saying is that if you want to kill someone, this is a very unnecessary way of doing it.
	So whoever did this...
	No, I know.
	It's more like a mob hit.
	It's like, let's make an example out of this guy by burning him to a crisp.
	Yeah, which brings me back to the Clintons.
	You're right.
	I first saw George W. Bush give a speech where he conceded that, you know, these decisions aren't that simple.
	He had better speechwriters.
	He had better speechwriters at this time.
	I don't know what happened to the first speechwriters, but certainly they weren't working on this speech.
	I mean, this speech, in my view, if you compare this speech to the speech he gave in Cairo in 2009 or his Nobel Prize speech, you see a kind of almost total rejection of the civil rights tradition that President Obama supposedly came out of, These ideas of a kind of peaceful transition, of a kind of trying to work with the settled people in different nations, and just an embrace of total militarism.
	And the reason I say this is because...
	Stop, stop, stop.
	He's incredibly...
	That's him, Hastings, we're prattling on.
	He's incredibly agitated.
	Yes.
	Which is much unlike his other jocular style, which was before he lost his Obama hood.
	His Obama hood?
	Yes.
	Oh, by the way, brilliant analysis from the chat room as a quick interlude.
	Knocking back a Sam Adams is obviously gay code.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	Yeah.
	And I think it was said as a joke, but I'm like, well, that's not, that's considering how pissed off everyone was about that.
	Just take it into consideration.
	Onward.
	Noted.
	That speech, to me, was essentially agreeing with President Bush and Vice President Cheney that we're in this sort of neoconservative paradigm, that we're at war with a jihadist threat that actually is not a nuisance, but the most important threat we are facing today.
	It is, in my view, a complete rejection of what John Kerry said, and I said, an embrace of militarism.
	But he's talking about...
	He's saying, he says many multiple things.
	Right, no, I agree.
	I agree it's complex.
	Okay, you know what?
	I've got to stop this for a second.
	You know what he sounds like?
	He sounds like...
	I can get this way, by the way.
	And Ms.
	Mickey has taught me how to not do it.
	When you are so convinced, when you know that the bullshit is so clear, and you have the actual story, and you have the backstory, and you have the documents to prove it, that's when your mouth starts falling over itself, when you're trying to explain to someone who is clearly clueless.
	And that's what I'm hearing here.
	Would you agree?
	Yeah, I wouldn't disagree.
	It's not only complex, but he enshrines...
	Look, the two key things that I took away from that speech is that Obama has enshrined the two most radical principles of the Bush Doctrine.
	The first is, oh, he got rid of, sort of got rid of torture and sort of got rid of extraordinary rendition, but enshrines targeted assassination.
	At the same time, he doesn't apologize for, he won't apologize for the Scanlan Maghazi, he won't apologize for the IRS, really, the few bad apples, And he says, no, the AP and spying on journalists is okay.
	So he enshrines killing people and spying on journalists as the two major tenets of his national security state.
	I think this is outrageous.
	I don't agree with what Michael said.
	I'm just going to be blunt about it.
	Well, I read your piece.
	I read your piece.
	It was essentially, you know, talking points from the White House.
	It was stenography.
	And, you know, I mean, look, I did your work and, you know, read it in the past as a colleague, but I was not impressed with the piece that we were sent around by the producers.
	Well, let's let Perry explain what you said before we say we're not impressed with it.
	Well, I can say it.
	I read it.
	Well, let's hear it first.
	I guess, well, we'll go into detail here.
	There were two parts of the speech.
	There was one where the President was trying to redefine where the war on terror is going.
	It's winding down.
	He's trying to talk about drones.
	The part that I didn't agree with you in terms of comparing it to Bush was, I thought the speech showed a lot of ambiguity about the President's views about it, which is not the same.
	George and Bush didn't have an ambiguity about the war on terror.
	This is a speech very much about, he's trying to sort of talking out loud, as Steve said, here are my views.
	He kept saying over and over again, this is a just war, but it should be limited.
	We should look at ways to wind it down, change it.
	He doesn't like the drone program himself, is what I sort of heard in his speech.
	The policy, I agree with you, has not changed that much, but there was certainly no ambiguity about it.
	There was certainly sort of a weariness about the policy itself that I think was important to note here.
	This is also after four years of not only escalating the war in Afghanistan, where he sent 150,000 troops, so he did try the whole occupation thing, but he also exponentially increased the number of drone strikes.
	He's defending murdering an American two years later.
	I mean, so there's an absurdity to this whole discussion.
	And look, I keep saying...
	There's a lot here, and there's a lot in this speech, and he definitely has escalated drone attacks.
	We also have the drone attack, the numbers are coming down.
	That doesn't mean that he has ruled them out, and we can talk about that.
	But one thing that I think is a change in Omar that he laid out in this speech was a real clear commitment to shut down Guantanamo.
	I know we've heard that before, but he laid out, you know, he has talked about...
	That's Hastings cracking up.
	Okay, a couple things here.
	Oh, by the way, before you go with your analysis, I want to say this show was called Up with Steve Karacki, and the guy that he got into the beef with, which is this guy Perry Bacon, who's a black guy from MSNBC, and he's the one who wrote The Talking Points, the stenographer.
	Right.
	And he's clearly upset.
	Okay, so here's the analysis.
	One, this guy is pretty much doing no agenda material and it got him killed.
	And the mistake he made is he was trying to be legit.
	Where you've got to have Tourette's, be a hoarder, be a crackpot, don't believe in moon landings.
	This is how you are able to survive with this type of analysis.
	And he's talking to the wrong people.
	He was young, which is sad because he just hadn't caught on yet.
	He was very young.
	So two, this is how I can imagine the meeting going.
	Let's kill this guy.
	Yeah, but you know, he's like a high profile.
	Fuck it, kill an actor too.
	We'll cover it up.
	Yeah, that would work.
	That's how I imagine it.
	And then we lose two guys.
	Gandolfini.
	Yeah, he's in Italy.
	We can do that.
	No one's going to notice.
	Just put in a call.
	It's easy.
	Yeah, in Italy.
	Yeah, Sicily.
	And so we'll get him.
	What a loss.
	What a loss.
	This kid and Galvin, two great people.
	Why?
	Because some a-hole wants to further his or her agenda.
	God knows what was coming out.
	But stuff is flying fast and furious.
	And people are getting killed.
	I mean, there's no doubt in my mind.
	It's just who did this sloppy job?
	Why did it have to be like this?
	You know, it's so much easier.
	To do it like the Michael Jackson way, you know, like the Breitbart way, it's so much easier.
	So much less messy, you know, no big news stories.
	I think this was just, maybe they got the wrong guy to do it and then they had to get a cover.
	Who knows?
	But people are getting killed.
	There's no doubt about that.
	Well, what's interesting, he went so far off the rails.
	This is the problem that I think everyone has if they become kind of...
	Again, you know, the hagiography is a great word.
	You become, like, you're worshipping Obama.
	Yeah.
	And you're just, he can do no wrong.
	And you know that half the public is like this.
	They would vote him in for a third term, I'm telling you.
	And so, and then you discover that there's something, there's no, this is wrong.
	You're looking at the wrong information.
	You discover this man has betrayed you.
	And you go off the rail.
	You don't just, you know, do what we do.
	We don't believe in any of these characters.
	We just analyze the news.
	It's pretty straight up.
	Right, and so what happens...
	And we don't go nuts about it.
	No.
	Well, sometimes...
	Oh my God, we gotta stop him!
	We don't go, like, Alex Jones is the example of the lightning rod approach.
	He's just, like, completely, and he stays kind of alive by being kind of screwy, by getting a bullhorn and going down a river outside the Bilderberg Castle, and this is dumb.
	You know, hey, you guys, hey, you guys.
	You know, whatever he did.
	Hey, you're making up the New World Order!
	New World Order!
	Buy machines!
	But these guys would take this thing so seriously, and then they show up on these shows and they do something like this.
	I think this was his last appearance, by the way.
	This is part of the sickness.
	This is what you saw with Leo.
	When all this came to light, he's recuperated since then.
	When all this came to light, he was posting on Google +, like, Mr.
	President, you lied, you lied, and Chunk, Chunk is out there on Current TV, you lied, you're a liar.
	He's lost it too, Chunk has lost it.
	Yeah, and Chunk knows because Hastings was a contributor to the Chunk show.
	Yeah.
	So he knows now.
	Now he knows.
	Shut up.
	I'm sure Hastings, whatever Hastings has got that he's now gone, I'm sure it's been taken out of his, I'm sure his place is ransacked and whatever papers he was working on all disappeared.
	But he, I'm sure he talked to Chunk about it.
	Yeah.
	Whatever it is.
	Yeah.
	It's probably just something, it's probably what we've been theorizing about in the Benghazi thing, perhaps, or something similar.
	Yeah.
	Whatever.
	Hey, should we go grab that beer?
	Should we knock back a Sam Adams, John?
	Knock back a Sam.
	We do have to get out of here.
	I do have one last thing.
	Is it an end of show clip?
	No, it could be.
	No.
	Well, no.
	I'll save it for the Sunday show.
	No, no.
	I'll stop.
	It's a bit of commentary.
	It's actually going to take more to develop, so I'm not going to do it.
	You can play the odd Aaron Burnett flub, and we're done.
	Okay, we'll stop this then.
	Let's listen to that.
	Live, obviously, tomorrow morning from Beijing.
	And I want to bring in Gordon Chang now, a columnist for Forbes.com and the author of The Coming Collapse of China.
	All right, Gordon, you were one of the first here to talk about this possible link.
	As a matter of fact, the very first night, say, if you go to China for asylum or to Hong Kong, something smells fishy about the whole thing.
	China's adamant they're not working with Edward Snowden.
	Not that I'd expect him to come out and say that he was.
	What?
	She's supposed to say were!
	That's part of the big script.
	Whoever wrote it.
	All right, so just a last breaking news.
	The Russians and the Chinas announced a deal.
	Russians supply China with Russian oil, $60 billion in rubles.
	The market is collapsing.
	Brent oil down $2.
	Gold is off the rails.
	It's the beginning, everybody.
	And we'll talk about it on DHM Plug next Tuesday.
	Yeah, but first we'll be here Sunday.
	Sunday I will have a report of the, I'm going to go see Pandora's Promise, which is a documentary about nuclear energy, which won a whole bunch of Sundance awards and no one has gone to see.
	Good, I don't want you to do that.
	I may go see the Superman movie.
	And we'll compare notes.
	How does that sound?
	I bet there's more propaganda in mine than there is in yours.
	Yeah, no kidding.
	All right, everybody.
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	Come on, Ritalin, Coumadin, Zantac, Lipitor, Dicepam, Nexium, Prevacid, Percocet, Levitra, Lebequin, Elevil, Fosamax, Plavix, Keflex, Next Day, FedEx, Zythermax, Avalox, Flexeril, Topamax, Prozac, Ativan, Adderall, I take them all, I ain't going nowhere, Prozac, Ativan, Adderall, I take them all, I ain't going nowhere, Never gonna go nowhere.
	I'm cutting my own hair, man.
	Nothing I need out there.
	Outside sunny, but inside share.
	I ain't going nowhere.
	It's me.
	Democracy!
	Read your tweets, and you miss listening to your phone calls.
	NSA is looking out for you.
	Shut up!
	Get lines, lady!

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