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	I'm sure you haven't read this, so I show love.
	Oh, brother.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, February 21st, 2013.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 489-er.
	This is No Agenda.
	We're the first broadcast from the Travis Heights hideouts on the east side of South Congress in Austin, the capital of the drone star state in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where it's Garbage Day, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	And we're out of sync now because our garbage day is now Tuesday.
	Oh, that's a shame.
	Yeah, from the new Hacienda here.
	What do you think?
	Travis Heights hideout?
	Does that sound...
	I like what?
	It's kind of good, right?
	It just came to me as I was opening the show.
	I had no idea what to do.
	We went into the zone.
	Yeah, Miss Mickey does not like cabana.
	She doesn't want you to be a cabana boy.
	I think she actually might like that.
	Hey, how am I sounding?
	Look at this.
	Once again, I can do my nails.
	I can get a manicure, pedicure.
	Everything runs itself.
	It's all automated.
	It's beautiful.
	I've rebuilt the entire command center.
	Isn't it the same as the old command center?
	You didn't put any new gear?
	No, well, I took some gear out, actually.
	I took out our big bottom.
	So we've removed that.
	And I rerouted things, I think.
	I have a feeling I was routing things incorrectly and just never really realized it.
	And somehow it just kind of worked.
	I was like, whatever, don't mess with it.
	And there used to be a very slight hum, which I've removed.
	Yeah.
	You had a hum?
	A grounded loop or something?
	Ground loop, yeah.
	Like a real problematic ground loop.
	And I haven't really had time to set up any of the ham radio gear, but I did throw the antenna over the tree limb yesterday.
	Oh, that'll put the hum back in it.
	No, no, no.
	In fact, there's like no HF disturbance here.
	Because that's what I wanted to know.
	I was like, am I going to get like the neighbors, you know, God knows what, you know.
	Actually, our neighbor, check this out.
	Our neighbors, Tiger and Bonnie, we met them.
	Tiger rides a Harley.
	You're in Texas now.
	Yeah, Tiger rides a Harley.
	And they got two chickens.
	Oh, that's good.
	They probably maybe sometimes have extra eggs.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And they got fluorescent lights in the workshop.
	Tell them if you give them a couple more chickens, because once you take care of two chickens, you might as well take care of four if you can get the eggs.
	Oh, no, no, they already promised us eggs.
	Yeah, but two chickens can only lay two eggs a day if they're in laying mood.
	Yeah, this is true.
	And usually they won't even do that much.
	They produce maybe an egg and a half every two days.
	An egg and a half, so half an egg.
	Yeah, you can get half an egg.
	I have had chickens, you know.
	I had a lot of chickens.
	Oh.
	Well, you know they're the best eggs.
	Yeah, but I was never a fan of collecting the eggs.
	This is what people don't know.
	When you go and you want to get the egg from the chicken, these chickens become very hostile towards you.
	Well, you don't do it when they're sitting on the eggs.
	Yeah, but if you're hungry and you go out and you want to get your eggs from the chicken, the chicken just, you know, and they will sit there all day.
	They don't move, they don't like, oh, he's coming to get my egg.
	They don't hop off.
	They're protective.
	Well, that's the brooding type of chicken.
	They've got to get hungry once in a while.
	Just go, just push the, do what my daughter does.
	She just kind of kicks the chicken outside.
	Hey, hey, you stupid chicken, get the egg.
	And then grabs the eggs.
	She does that up in Washington.
	If you're stealing their eggs.
	Yeah, that's cool.
	Anyway, so we've kind of done our move.
	We're still in the middle of boxes, and the command center is about the third of the size that I used to have.
	On the other hand, I have windows.
	So now I can see.
	I can see what's going on.
	Yeah, you might as well just leave the boxes packed.
	No.
	Two-year lease.
	We've committed.
	Two years.
	Yeah.
	It's amazing how much crap you...
	We've only been together four years and there's so much crap that we have together.
	It's unbelievable.
	So, what is this?
	Crap?
	Oh, okay.
	Put it in the garage.
	Yeah, that's kind of a problem.
	You're becoming an archivist.
	No, no, no, because the house is nice.
	We have an archivist shack.
	This is what you need as an archivist, i.e.
	a hoarder.
	You need a garage that you do not park a car in.
	Do you have one of these?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It gets filled with junk.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, anyway, yeah, it's amazing.
	Now we're really in the city of Austin, but in the old city of Austin, south of the river.
	And I'm so Austin now, even South by Southwest people called and asked if I wanted to do something.
	Because, of course, I'm sure someone dropped out.
	Like, oh man, it's two weeks.
	We've got to find somebody.
	Who lives in Austin?
	Who's that Bon Jovi guy?
	That hair guy?
	Adam Sandler?
	No.
	Yeah, Adam Curry.
	Mark Goodman?
	No.
	Who what?
	Yeah.
	Call him.
	And so they're like, hey man, we've got a great spot for you.
	We'd like for you to interview They Might Be Giants.
	Oh, that's a good idea.
	I don't know how you're going to plug the show.
	Well, I'll figure out.
	So what do I get in consideration for being a part of your South by Southwest?
	Money-making operation.
	You've got to say your South by Southwest money-making operation.
	Hugely successful money-making operation.
	So the wording that I got back, you want to hear it?
	Oh, yeah.
	That's pretty funny.
	I've heard them all.
	What do you think the wording was?
	Well, for consideration, you know, the publicity.
	You know, you get a lot of publicity.
	No, no, no.
	For the good of the community.
	I mean, there's a million possibilities.
	No, much, much, much slicker than that.
	Much slicker than that.
	Hold on.
	I think his name is, what is it, Sean?
	Let me see.
	Sean of the Dead.
	Sean.
	Sean O'Keefe.
	Here we go.
	Um...
	Oh, crap.
	I guess I might have...
	Did I delete that?
	That makes no sense.
	Hold on.
	Sean...
	A bunch of your delete files is usually...
	Unless you purge them.
	Well, you know what?
	I'm using...
	I can't run Thunderbird on the computer here during the show because it...
	Oh, it just kills everything.
	It totally kills everything.
	It's a piece of crap, Thunderbird.
	It works okay, but not on this machine.
	It works okay on my MacBook Air.
	Here we go.
	Shoot, man.
	Ah, crap.
	I can't believe I don't have this anymore.
	This blows.
	Well, he said something like...
	Well, you know, the promotional platform that South by Southwest is never compensates speakers with fees or honorarium.
	However...
	He said that he would give me more than they give any other participant at South by Southwest, which would be, and this has some value, two platinum passes.
	What's that mean?
	The Platinum Pass, if you are either an incredible insider or rich, the Platinum Pass is an all-access, all areas, all events for the entire duration of South by Southwest.
	I think it's like $1,200 to buy the Pass.
	So to get two of those, and then you basically, you wear the pass everywhere.
	You go out to dinner, you're wearing your pass.
	You just, you know, you walk on your dog, you're wearing your pass.
	Because everyone knows, oh, oh, right.
	Oh, he's on the inside.
	He's wearing the pass.
	Sorry.
	It's okay.
	I, there was a...
	What's the matter, John?
	Sorry.
	What's the matter?
	Sorry.
	Well, there was a FedEx truck.
	I got two people in the house, and a FedEx is going to drop off something that needed signing, and apparently everybody missed it.
	I tried to drive the truck down on the way back.
	I hate it when the real doll arrives and no one's there to sign for it.
	Sucks.
	Anyway, in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak from Austin Tejas here.
	In the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	In the morning, all ships to sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, and subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	And we'd certainly like to thank all of our artists, in particular, our artists.
	I don't think she's ever had an album art score on the show yet.
	Citizen X provided our hipster art for episode 488, and we highly appreciate that.
	And, of course, you can check out the art generator, NoahArtGenerator.com, to find all of the art as provided by our fabulous artists who really do a fantastic job.
	And in the midst of moving and everything going on, there has been some interesting...
	Nay, I would say some outrageous stuff coming through the Ministry of Truth telescreens, the best of which is started with a CBS report.
	They really did a great job.
	And I have to say they.
	I mean, we often, we see things happen, and you can kind of see how the news media has received...
	And it is talking points.
	It's almost like a memo goes out sometimes.
	And it's like, okay, we're only going to focus on this.
	We're going to ignore that.
	In this case, a rare occasion, they all are pointing towards one Ministry of Truth channel and are expanding upon this.
	Of course, I am referring to the report from CBS who have information.
	That Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook shooter, was not only inspired by what was in competition with Anders Breivik, the Norwegian shooter.
	And I'm like, yeah, the similarities are uncanny.
	Adam Lanza's compendium against Muslim integration into America, the bombs that he used to blow up federal buildings, it is uncanny how incredible similar this is, John.
	Yeah, it's exactly the same.
	And, well, of course, what is really happening here is they are showing how mass killers are gamifying their lives to emulate violent video games.
	And I thought we would listen to the CBS report in its entirety, which is about two and a half minutes, and comment on some things being said there, but then also look at the coordinated effort of PBS Frontline, who did their own documentary with the Hartford Courant, And, of course, how CBS and CNN and other news media are jumping on this same meme.
	So shall we listen to the original Ministry of Truth propaganda from CBS regarding this?
	Good evening.
	The one remaining mystery in the tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut, is the question...
	The one remaining mystery is, I don't know, where's the glass that was shattered?
	Where's the video footage from the newly installed security cameras?
	Do you have any last questions about this, John?
	No, I thought it was beaten to death already.
	Why are they beating it to death more?
	Why did Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old gunman, shoot his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School and murder 20 first graders and six members of the school?
	Why?
	Well, tonight, multiple sources in law enforcement tell us that...
	Love this.
	Now, we can't gloss over this anymore.
	Multiple sources in law enforcement who will not speak on camera, who will not be mentioned by name.
	This, to me, is not journalism anymore.
	They're not even saying we're protecting this.
	Remember when they used to have guys, you know, like a black, shadowy figure, and they'd alter their voice?
	Or a box over their head.
	Yeah.
	Or a big black dot that kept moving around.
	Yeah, and then you'd have the voice would be altered with a vocoder.
	How come they don't do that anymore?
	I mean, that at least gave you a little impression that they really had somebody and not just a memo.
	One motivation was an obsession with a mass murder committed the year before.
	Bob Orr is breaking this story for us tonight.
	Now, I just want to remind everybody about the Anders Breivik massacre.
	He specifically blew up federal building.
	He specifically targeted young political, future political leaders of the parties that were pro- Islamification, his words, of Norway.
	So, you know, very specific, went to their summer camp to go and get rid of them to eliminate future generations.
	He called himself, you know, one of the, like a Knights Templar.
	I mean, he had a compendium, which of course I read, which was very detailed about The Crusades and the Ottoman Empire has nothing at all.
	I mean, none of this.
	None of this.
	No trace of this in Sandy Hook.
	The only thing is that he did say in his compendium that he practiced with, I think it was World of Warcraft?
	Was that what he practiced with?
	It might have been.
	It was one of those MM games.
	Law enforcement sources say Adam Lanza saw himself as being in direct competition with Anders Brevik, a Norwegian man who killed 77 people in July 2011.
	Brevik killed eight with a bombing in downtown Oslo.
	He then moved to a nearby island where he hunted down and fatally shot 69 people, mostly teenagers, attending a summer camp.
	Now, you see what they're doing here?
	They were attending a summer camp, John, just teenagers.
	You know, like, they're hanging out, having some beers.
	Forget to mention the whole political aspect to it.
	Two officials who have been briefed on the Newtown, Connecticut investigation say Lanza wanted to top Breivik's death toll and targeted nearby Sandy Hook Elementary School because it was the easiest target with the largest cluster of people.
	So he was trying to beat Breivik's 77 number.
	What is behind this nonsense?
	I think they're talking about gamification of mass murderers.
	They're talking about that he was in competition and that they're going to link all of this to violent video games.
	Based on evidence they have collected, investigators also believe Lanza was acting out the fantasies of a video shooting game as he killed 21st grade students and six adults at the school.
	Sources say Lanza also fired some shots at the first police officers to respond.
	That's a new piece of information.
	We haven't heard anything about that.
	What?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Apparently they shot at police officers.
	This is completely in contrast to anything we've heard so far.
	As they move through the school's parking lot.
	But unlike Brevik, who surrendered, Lanza killed himself as police closed in.
	Now listen to the modem sound in the background.
	This is all very well done.
	Apparently ending his massacre sooner than he had intended.
	What's the modem sound for?
	Yeah, it's online, John.
	Online.
	Bad, bad, bad.
	Nobody uses a modem to play any of those games.
	This is giving you modem sound so you know game.
	Modem.
	Bad.
	Online.
	Bad.
	Officials have not publicly revealed what precisely led them to the motive.
	But sources say investigators have found evidence Lanza was obsessed with Brevick.
	So, sources.
	Where's the guy with the voice?
	They've also recovered what they call a trove of violent video games.
	A trove!
	A trove of violent video games.
	But here's how I would have done the report.
	Oh, so as we were checking out his gaming headquarters, we found a trove, I mean a trove, of very violent video games that he played online.
	Yeah, I'd say that would have been better.
	Much better.
	From the basement of Lanza's home.
	Sources say Lanza spent countless hours there alone, in a private gaming room.
	A private gaming room!
	What kind of visual do you get with a private gaming room, John?
	This is ridiculous.
	And you caught this all over the place.
	There was a couple of things that I've seen about this guy.
	Also bogus.
	I don't know why they keep letting this thing...
	Is the desired effect not working?
	Or why are they even doing these stories?
	Well, I think...
	I think that this...
	There's a couple of talking points.
	So I just want to finish this up and then I'll take you to Brolf and what he's doing with the talking points.
	With the windows blacked out...
	Oh, windows blacked out in the basement.
	Honing his computer shooting skills.
	Lanza also made multiple visits to nearby gun ranges with his mother, Nancy Lanza, where they practiced together with actual weapons.
	Three guns, all registered to Nancy Lanza, were used in the Sandy Hook Massacre.
	Lanza used a fourth weapon to kill his mother before his attack on the school.
	I love the voiceover.
	It's really working well and making me pay attention.
	Police are now reaching out to people in the online gaming community.
	Who out there is going to rat on him?
	Who may have had encounters with Lanza to better understand, Scott, the full scope of what may have motivated him.
	Bob, Lanza did everything he could to destroy the hard drives on the home computers.
	Have the investigators found anything from that?
	No, unfortunately, Scott, so far they have not.
	Lanza's damaged computer has not yielded any usable clues, we're told.
	That's not how CSI works.
	Probably took a shot at one of the hard disks.
	That'd take care of the problem.
	I mean, isn't it possible to retrieve at least some data from the hard disk?
	I mean, is it really that possible to obliterate?
	Because it was done physically, apparently.
	Yeah, bullet hole.
	FBI experts, though, in the lab in Quantico are still trying to piece together the hard drive, which lands at deliberately smashed, but we're told the equipment's in pretty bad shape.
	It's in bad shape.
	It's in bad shape.
	We may not be able to get any real evidence.
	However, Brolf So, Brolf on CNN took this, and he brought in authors of some book, because this is a great bandwagon to jump on, some authors who, I guess, study mass murderers.
	And, of course, they took it in their own personal beautiful direction.
	More now on our breaking news.
	Law enforcement sources telling CBS News' Bob Orr that Adam Lanza chose Sandy Hook Elementary School because he wanted to maximize the death toll because they say he saw himself as being in competition with another mass murderer.
	Now I think it's interesting that CNN jumps on this bandwagon and credits CBS with this.
	This doesn't happen that often.
	This never happens.
	Joining us on the phone right now, Northeastern University criminologists James Allen Fox and Jack Levin.
	Okay, so these guys are criminologists, so they know.
	They're co-authors of Extreme Killing, Understanding Serial, and Mass Murder.
	Book.
	Yeah, book, book.
	Thanks very much for coming in.
	James Fox, first to you.
	Do these details about what he was doing with his time, who he idolized, surprise you at all, or are they fairly typical for individuals like Adam Lanza?
	No, this doesn't surprise me at all.
	Makes total sense!
	It's exactly the same thing.
	It's the same guy, the same motive.
	When the question was raised, why did he go to that school, the clear answer always was that he knew when he got there there'd be a lot of victims under his gun.
	I mean, come on, John!
	I mean, how can I take...
	I mean, this guy's a criminologist?
	These are teachers at university?
	Oh, it's very obvious.
	He just wanted to kill lots of people.
	It's so, so clear.
	I mean, this makes no sense.
	And he could hurt society in a most profound way.
	Where else could he go where there were so many people who would be congregated?
	Well, gee, I know.
	A bus stop, an airport terminal, a city hall.
	You could go to another movie theater.
	Tons of places you could go.
	As far as his admiring another mass murderer, that's one of the problems when we constantly talk about records.
	It's the largest, it's the biggest, it's the worst.
	What that does is it challenges other people to try to break the record.
	I can't take any more of these guys.
	Stop this.
	You have to.
	I'll fast forward.
	Come on, you would stop it if I was playing.
	This is terrible.
	These guys are full of crap.
	What do you think his conclusion is?
	Video games?
	No, he has a different conclusion.
	Okay, play it.
	Why do we keep records?
	Records are there to be broken.
	I think we should downplay that aspect of shooting.
	I think we should no longer compete.
	Are they trying to get to Guinness?
	Fair point, Jack.
	I love that Anders Breivik connection, if you will.
	Connection, if you will.
	Say the copycat factor doesn't necessarily lead someone to kill, but it can suggest the timing and the method.
	Explain.
	It determines, for example, the type of weapon that is used.
	If one killer uses a semi-automatic rifle, the next one may use a semi-automatic rifle.
	He didn't use a semi-automatic rifle.
	No.
	I know, I know, I know.
	Wait for it.
	The big payoff is, you know, you know what's coming.
	When you hear it, you're going to go, oh, of course.
	Brevick himself was inspired by Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber.
	Bull crap!
	I'm like, I read his entire compendium.
	He was not inspired by the Unabomber.
	At all!
	And the Columbine massacre in 1999 inspired a number of school shootings, not only in the United States, but also in Canada, Finland, and Germany.
	Did I miss something?
	Did I miss a big copycat thing?
	So, you know...
	There were some couple kids busted in Georgia, and it was not much after that.
	There were just people wearing trench coats, maybe.
	Okay, but here it is.
	Big payoff.
	Talk about the copycat factor, and it does contribute.
	But the causal factor for Adam Lanza...
	Is the causal factor.
	Come on, John.
	Give it a guess.
	Oh, let's see.
	Bullying.
	Was probably the same causal factor we find in most school shootings.
	He was bullied severely.
	Ha!
	Brutally bullied when he was in elementary school at Sandy Hook.
	That is a much more important causal factor than the copycat influence.
	Which, if you watch the PBS Frontline mockumentary, that's not true.
	He was not brutally bullied.
	He had Asperger's and everyone actually kind of respected his issue, apparently.
	And people were told, you know, don't touch him because he has sensory...
	He's, you know, hypersensitive...
	Right, he had these...
	Hypersensitivity, whatever.
	Nerve problem.
	Yeah.
	So it's not like, you know...
	It's just unbelievable.
	But it all comes down to the video games.
	And, of course, there's not a single mention of movies or any other type of violence.
	It's all about the video games.
	Several weeks ago, that this was not going to be about movies or television.
	It would only be about video games, because Hollywood hates video games.
	Hollywood hates video games, and they're putting up all the money for the presidents.
	And they get breaks from...
	They've got the tax benefits.
	They've got tax benefits, all kinds of breaks, exactly.
	The same breaks that big oil gets, by the way.
	Yeah, which are common breaks, but there are certain risks involved in making movies, so they need certain kinds of tax benefits.
	But what we call this, John, is a lethal cocktail.
	It's a cocktail, you see.
	Clearly, it's a cocktail of things, not least of which the easy access to his mother's weapons, which were in the house.
	Gee, poor dead man.
	It's really getting bad with him.
	The local newspaper, the Hartford Courant, is reporting, I think, tomorrow morning, that they found thousands and thousands of dollars worth of violent video games.
	Thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars?
	How many video games can you buy for thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars?
	I mean, how expensive are these games?
	Like 50 bucks, 65, 75 bucks maybe.
	How many did he have?
	I can see you getting to...
	3,000?
	No.
	Most people that use these games, they recycle them.
	They go to GameStop or whatever, unless they're playing them all the time.
	You don't play that many games at once.
	And in particular, where Adam Lanza used to have his own little private quarters, if you like.
	Oh, he had a workstation.
	His little private quarters.
	This is all meant to build in your mind this idea of the masked madman building a cocktail of violent video games, hands-on experience, and mental health.
	Oh, yes.
	It's all that, all combined.
	All of those things together.
	I want to...
	We weren't even supposed to be talking about this anymore, I thought.
	But it was so big.
	You have to watch the mockumentary, the PBS thing.
	The voiceover was so outstanding.
	They should have hired me.
	I just want you to hear the voiceover.
	There were new reports today about...
	That's not the one.
	Hold on.
	Where is it?
	PBS. Raising Adam Lanza is the title of it.
	The Current has learned that investigators have speculated...
	Oh, yeah, that guy.
	He's the best.
	He's great, isn't he?
	The Current has learned that investigators saw that Adam Lanza...
	Yeah, that's the guy I want.
	...that Adam may have carried out the shooting in a manner consistent with video gaming.
	Hey, they can just reuse this when they kill me.
	Yeah, you're playing way too many video games, I understand.
	I mean, they got the name already?
	The current has learned that investigators have speculated privately that Adam may have carried out the shooting in a manner consistent with video gaming, changing his weapons magazine frequently, even though it was not empty.
	That's not how I game.
	What?
	I mean, that makes no sense.
	I guess he doesn't want to dry shoot the game.
	I don't think that's true.
	I think when you're gaming, you wait and you're out of bullets and that's when you get a new magazine.
	You hit the new magazine button.
	You don't like, oh, I'm running low.
	It's virtual bullets.
	I'm running low.
	I better save some in this magazine.
	I mean, what does that mean?
	It makes no sense.
	It's not consistent.
	When you're gaming and you're shooting, you shoot until you're out and then you put in a new magazine if you have one, right?
	Yeah, that's the way I've always played.
	I watch people play too and I don't know, people just throw in a perfectly good magazine away.
	Even if it's fake, even if it's virtual.
	I'm telling you, it's insane.
	But that just kind of broke yesterday, just all over the place.
	But it kind of came on the heels of our vice president, who had some really good gun advice.
	This was a hangout, the vice president, a hangout with parents.com.
	Parent Magazine, which apparently people still read Parent Magazine.
	I don't think I've ever read it or subscribed to it or have any interest.
	But Parent Magazine gets to do a hangout, and people are asking questions about guns in the home and having guns if you have kids around.
	And this is a dude, by the way, who's asking the question.
	Kate, if you want to protect yourself, get a double-barrel shotgun.
	Have the shelves of 12-gauge shotgun, and I promise you, as I told my wife, we live in an area that's wooded and somewhat secluded.
	Of course, he has no Secret Service or anything.
	He has Joe Biden with his wife, Jill, in a wooded, secluded area, and if something happens, Jill, you go out there and...
	I said, Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here or walk out, put that double-barrel shotgun in your mouth and fire two blasts outside the house.
	This is going to come back and haunt him so bad.
	Something's going to happen.
	And we're going to be playing this over and over again.
	I promise you, whoever's coming in is not going to...
	You don't need an AR-15.
	It's harder to aim.
	It's harder to use.
	And, in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself.
	Just two.
	Buy a shotgun.
	Buy a shotgun.
	This is going to come back and bite him his ass so hard.
	Buy a shotgun.
	But then he threw a new word at me.
	But he's right.
	Yeah, well, of course he's right.
	Buy a shotgun.
	Absolutely.
	We got a shotgun for that very reason.
	But then he comes back, John, with a new word, which I had not heard, and he uses it several times when people equate a gun ban to the war on drugs, and he just went off the deep end on this one.
	We'll ask you to expand on many pieces of that over the course of the next few minutes.
	Samantha Phillips asks...
	That's a guy.
	What?
	That's a guy who's talking here from Parent Magazine.
	Really?
	Yeah, I know.
	Wow.
	I know, it's crazy.
	If the ban on drugs did not work with taking them off the street, how do you think a ban on guns is going to be different?
	Well, Samantha, there is no ban on guns.
	Samantha's not a guy.
	No, no.
	Samantha's asking the question.
	The guy is reading the question.
	It's a hangout.
	He's the moderator.
	Banning the gun.
	No one's taking my shotguns.
	I have two shotguns at home.
	They're in a cabinet.
	They're locked.
	There's ammunition there as well.
	No one's going to come and take my gun.
	No one's going to take anyone's gun.
	We're talking about a background check.
	And the analogy to if there was a ban on drugs, how could there be a ban on, you know, how would any regulation of the...
	He's painting himself into the corner already.
	You can just see it happening.
	type of weapon available out there.
	Why would that make sense?
	Are you suggesting we have no, we just legalize all drugs?
	Yeah, that seems to work very well in Portugal.
	And the Netherlands seems to work pretty well, actually, this complete decriminalization of drugs.
	Yeah, Yeah, that is something...
	I know we're talking about guns, Joe, but I think that would be worth discussing, sure.
	Is that what you're suggesting?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	That would go real well in Parents Magazine.
	Let's talk about everybody being able to, no matter what your age, go out and...
	Now, he's going to mention a drug.
	So, he's off the cuff now.
	So, which drug is he going to use as an example for everyone to go out and buy if it's all legal?
	Well, heroin?
	Yeah.
	I wish.
	Be able to purchase cocaine.
	I think Joe has probably gone out and purchased some.
	That's why it's coming up.
	You know, it's like some people would say marijuana.
	Yeah, that would be the normal one.
	He's like cocaine.
	Yeah, it would be crazy if you could just go buy cocaine.
	What do you think about that idea?
	I think it's great.
	Look, these comparisons are not appropriate, quite frankly.
	But secondly, the idea, you should have no law unless the law you have prevents all violations of that law.
	Okay, what did Joe just say?
	I have no idea.
	You should have no law unless the law prevents...
	You should bring Obama and his drone program into the conversation now.
	You should have no law unless all versions and violations of the law are against the law.
	That is not the way society works.
	Oh, okay.
	That is not the way we...
	Here comes the new word of the day.
	Moral disapprobation of society.
	The moral disapprobation of society.
	Have you ever heard of this word, disapprobation?
	Yeah, actually, I've heard of approbation, so disapprobation is probably legit.
	Did you look it up?
	Yeah, of course.
	The act or state of disapproving.
	So the moral disapproval...
	He's going to do it again.
	...has an impact on behavior in societies.
	And the moral disapprobation of the idea that you can leave a loaded gun around your house, there shouldn't be gun safety practiced by families that own weapons, etc., is a very important element in seeing to there's greater gun safety and security.
	Why shouldn't he use disapproval?
	No, because disapprobation is shaming.
	That's what he's talking about.
	It's a good word.
	I've never heard of this.
	I've never heard it used.
	And he was so proud of himself, he had to use it twice.
	Yeah, somebody looked it up for him and said, I'm using it.
	I'm going with that.
	Right after I tell everyone to buy a shotgun, I'm going to say it.
	Probably had to practice it a few times to say it.
	Disapprobation.
	So it's the act or state of disapproving.
	Yeah, and it's also a word you probably can't say if you're drunk.
	So this is proving you sober.
	I'm sober.
	I might tell you to go out and drive.
	Disapprobation.
	Meanwhile, of course, in Washington State, there's a gun law being proposed now that if you have a registered weapon...
	Do you have any registered weapons up there in Port Angeles?
	I don't think we need to register up there.
	Well, when you buy one, then it's registered.
	We always buy our guns off the streets from black guys.
	Another handy tip from the No Agenda Show.
	Well, should you buy one from a black guy in a gun store, it would be registered.
	And what the proposal is in Washington is once a year, the cops can come by and inspect your weapons to see if they need to disapprobate you.
	I didn't know that.
	Well, it's not a law yet.
	Here, the introduced legislation would allow county sheriffs to inspect the homes of semi-automatic rifle owners once a year.
	Senate Bill 5737 would ban the sale of semi-automatic weapons that use detachable magazines.
	What good is that?
	Magazines that contain more than 10 rounds would also be subject to law-abiding gun owners to random searches by a county sheriff.
	That sounds illegal.
	Yeah.
	In the Federal Register, this showed up yesterday, following the President's plan to reduce gun violence, blah, blah, blah, blah, requesting the National Institute of Justice, which I've never heard of.
	I thought it was going to be farmed out to the science institutes, but the National Institute of Justice will be conducting a review of existing and emerging gun safety technologies, And plans to issue a report on the availability and use of those technologies, including biometrics and RFID. I told you this was coming.
	That your gun will only work if it's in your hand.
	Yeah, yeah.
	James Bond had one of those guns in the last movie, which is, I think, a propagandistic technique to normalize the idea.
	Oh, sure.
	And then in...
	Well, I mean, the James Bond movies are only about promotion and propaganda.
	I mean, you can get anything in a James Bond movie as long as you're willing to pay for it.
	Any product, any idea.
	In New York, they're proposing a bill as, again, we're just genius.
	Gun owners would have to buy at least $1 million in liability insurance.
	Oh yeah, no, this we spotted.
	As soon as it was mentioned, it was like, oh, there it is.
	In Colorado, however, the University of Colorado, Colorado Springs, they have a whole different plan.
	Don't arm yourself, don't get a gun, don't get mace, don't get a taser.
	You know, you should follow advice.
	Part of a really supplemental information intended for women who had completed a self-defense class on campus that we call RAD, Rape Aggression Defense.
	Rad.
	It's rad.
	How rad is it, Brad?
	Corporal Lisa Dipsinski teaches rad and knows there isn't a one-size-fits-all solution to fighting off an attacker.
	As women, we have to cheat to win.
	We have to go for eyes.
	We have to go for ears.
	We have to go for the throat.
	We have to go for a growing strength.
	A groin strike.
	Instead of groin, she says groin.
	Strike.
	And she's reading it.
	Yeah, but listen to the actual advice.
	The more unusual suggestions that surfaced on their public safety webpage.
	If you can use anything to your advantage, which would be to say that you're going to urinate, that you're menstruating, that you're going to vomit.
	These are great tactics, people.
	You don't need a gun.
	Just say, stand back or I'll pee.
	That you have a disease.
	I know it sounds way off the wall, but why not use something to your advantage?
	You could possibly get a perpetrator that is disgusted by one of those things.
	Hey, I'm grossed out by you.
	I'm not attacking you anymore.
	What are these people?
	You know, there was a big thing going on.
	It started with that Houston video, which I think we've probably both seen, and I think most people have seen it.
	It's the run, hide, attack.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	What you're supposed to do...
	Three words, three words.
	So I'm seeing it on the local news.
	Everyone's three words, three words, three words.
	And it's always, you know, run, hide, attack.
	That's your solution.
	Yeah.
	But at least they got the attack part in, but there's never any attack with a gun.
	Yeah, but the attack part is with scissors.
	No, no, no, not that video, the other one, the new one.
	The one where the guy comes in with a shotgun?
	Yeah, but I thought the attack was...
	No, no, no.
	This one ends with the bad guy coming in, and everybody's got chairs, and they got pillows and boots and sticks and pens.
	It's a room full of people, and as soon as he walks in, they attack.
	Attack him.
	Oh, it's a gang attack.
	Got it, got it, got it.
	Yeah, I've seen this, of course.
	Yeah, and then they stop, do a freeze frame, so you don't actually see any violence, especially the one guy who's got one of the Worldwide Wrestling Federation chairs, folding chair, that he's going to smack the guy with right in the head.
	With the desired effect that you get on the Wrestling Federation.
	And it seems as if this has become some sort of a propagandistic meme that they're spreading around.
	And for some unknown reason, it's just like, I guess the terrorist threat is people are just immune to it now.
	So now we have to have these...
	Domestic shooters, the particular video, the one in the Houston video, the guy walks into a building with a double-barrel, no, it's a pump-action shotgun, and first he shotguns two people for no apparent reason, and then he looks like a murderer, looks like a CIA guy, and then he shotguns a couple more people, and now he's just going to shotgun the place up.
	No rhyme or reason.
	It's ridiculous.
	Yeah.
	Whereas if we had...
	I'd rather be in Austin, where you know at least one guy is going to have a concealed weapon.
	Oh yeah, if there's ten people in an office, at least one guy's packing.
	It's so funny that we're here and we're in the middle of a neighborhood.
	We're right near South Congress, but we feel so safe because there are very few, if any, home burglaries in Austin.
	I'm sure all of Texas is pretty low because people know you can get your ass capped.
	Get your ass capped?
	Yeah.
	Get a cap in your ass.
	Cap in your ass?
	Yeah.
	This is street speak.
	Well, first I thought you were referring to the music licensing operation.
	Yeah.
	It's street speak.
	And then the other thing was like some old rap tune from 20 years ago.
	Yeah.
	That's me.
	Yeah.
	Well, anyway, it's a never-ending battle.
	Nobody wants to talk about Texas and their carry thing because it ruins the argument.
	It makes too much sense.
	Don't do that.
	Shut up, up.
	Hey, let's thank...
	And by the way, Vermont's got very similar laws.
	I believe.
	Well, is Vermont not...
	What's their state motto?
	No, that's...
	You're thinking of New Hampshire.
	Live free or die.
	Right.
	What is Vermont, then?
	I don't know if they have one, do they?
	The maple syrup state?
	That's what it should be.
	Vermont.
	Home of Bernie Sanders.
	State...
	I do have a few people to thank.
	I want to thank a few executive producers.
	We have one executive producer and a bunch of associates, Random Hillbilly in Elkins, West Virginia, which is your hometown.
	Still fighting the IRS. He just wants no jingles, no clubs, no nothing.
	I'll go back to my Adderall and weed now and hopefully have a collection of Ariana stories to share soon.
	Adderall and weed.
	Breakfast of champions, my friend.
	I should try that sometime.
	Yeah, you should.
	I bet it's awesome.
	Because, you know, weed makes you like, you know, it's kind of like uppers and downers.
	Like, you smoke some weed, like, hey man, I'm really baked right now, but I'm so productive.
	This is great.
	John White in Jackson, Tennessee.
	I've been lurking for a few months.
	Came in with 233.69.
	Now I beg for a de-douching as well as karma for my medical practice.
	P.S. I hate to tell you, but you have to thank Leo Laporte for introducing me to the show.
	John White, M.D. Hey, thank you very much.
	The more doctors we have on board, the better.
	You've been de-douched.
	And we're happy that Leo introduced you to the show.
	You've got karma.
	Awesome.
	John Brooker in Beaverton, Oregon, $200.
	JNA Karma Works, I got the girl, and we have been married for a year.
	Which reminded me that it's been a while since my last donation.
	The last hundred episodes have been outstanding.
	Astounding.
	Astounding, he says.
	Astounding.
	The last hundred.
	Why are you laughing?
	It just seems like a crazy thing to say.
	I've been watching this show for 40 years.
	Every episode in all 40 years.
	This just doesn't make sense.
	There's got to be a clunker in there somewhere.
	It makes me sick to think that I only paid a dollar for each one.
	Please de-douche the chat room and all the boners out there.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	What did I say?
	Please douchebag the chat room.
	Douchebag!
	And all the boners out there.
	For me, I could really use job karma with a biodiversity chaser.
	Please wish a happy Foundation Day to any other Moonies out there.
	Oh, is that today, Foundation Day?
	I don't know.
	Apparently.
	Well, happy Foundation Day, all you Moonies out there.
	You've got karma.
	And finally, Sir Ryan Bemrose.
	Actually, he did have a little note.
	Not much of it to be read, but he was looking...
	He was mistakenly believed that he hasn't been knighted.
	And we found a record that he was.
	Oh, really?
	But he just missed that show?
	I guess.
	I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	But he was angry because his wife is also a dame.
	She's a dame.
	So anyway, sorry, Ryan, but I think you've been covered in the ring.
	Well, yeah, I think there was a ring available that you can have.
	Anyway, that's our executive producers and associate executive producers for show...
	What show number is it?
	489, which is a nice number.
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	New world order.
	Shut up, slave.
	Hey, citizen.
	Pfft.
	Whoops.
	So I think we're overlooking a story.
	I have a couple that I've been saving to wow you with, so what do you...
	Well, let's start by, let's revisit our old buddy, Reverend Manning.
	It's so funny.
	I have a clip from him today, too, by coincidence.
	I have two, so I got you beat by one.
	All right.
	But one of them is weird.
	I have the Manning kind of deposition on the CIA trying to kill him.
	I didn't see this before.
	No, I haven't seen this.
	What is this, a seven-minute clip?
	I have the whole clip, and you can play it until you can't take it anymore.
	I mean, you can cut it off anytime you want.
	But he...
	This was kind of interesting.
	This isn't the clip I wanted to refer to.
	I wanted to refer to the other one.
	We'll go back to the CIA trying to kill him later.
	Okay.
	But play Manning on the Pope.
	I thought this was kind of interesting.
	People sent out an email overnight, and the Cardinals wake up that morning and don't even know that the news people are talking about the Pope has resigned, and they don't even know.
	That's wrong!
	Wrong!
	And if it was truly about his health, he would have discussed it with the cardinals.
	It would have been something that all sat down and had a meeting and talked about it.
	You don't send out an email in the middle of the doggone night and the cardinals waking up in Latin America, they're waking up in Africa, they're waking up in Armenia, they're waking up in New York City, and somebody's calling them and telling them the Pope just resigned.
	That ain't the way for a Pope to behave!
	That ain't the way for a man of God to behave!
	Why are we even making this show?
	Our show is no good.
	This guy is awesome.
	I mean, you have to sit through hours of crap to get to it, but when he pulls it out, man, he's got gems.
	That ain't God!
	That ain't God!
	Now, I think they need to call for...
	I think they need to call for an investigation.
	Yeah!
	Maybe somebody done kidnapped the Pope!
	Yeah!
	Took him down there in the bottom of the, I don't know, Vatican or someplace.
	Got him down there in one of those catacombs.
	These other guys, they look like, I don't know!
	This don't make no sense to everybody.
	It don't make no sense!
	And God forbid you got all these stupid cardinals and bishops all over the Catholic Church and all these pundits and professors from the seminaries and everything now getting on television.
	They don't know what to say.
	They're trying to be cute.
	They're trying to be politically correct.
	Oh, yes, I think that's a noble thing.
	How humble it was to just up and resign.
	Well, it may have been, but don't you think you ought to call a council?
	Don't you think you ought to talk to somebody?
	Don't you ought to think cardinals ought to know?
	Well, in a couple of weeks, you know, I'm going to be resigning.
	We won't break silence on this matter.
	Until I'm officially...
	And we'll do it before Easter or we'll do it, you know, before Good Friday or something like that.
	You just don't send out an email to all the news organizations.
	That's something the damn devil would do.
	Get out there!
	Whooping, whooping, whooping!
	Whooping, whooping, whooping!
	Whooping with the Constitution!
	So I like this.
	I thought that was an interesting point.
	You know, maybe it was kidnapped.
	If you saw this guy...
	You wouldn't know.
	Who's this old geezer?
	You wouldn't know if it's the real guy.
	No.
	There's no way.
	He's like a beat-up old German man.
	And if you start looking around, there's all these incidents that make you wonder.
	Apparently, he's been choppered out of the place a lot.
	He has his pacemaker.
	And the pacemaker had to be replaced three months ago?
	and they replaced him with a dude and that dude, like, you know, the union is acting up.
	You know, they want more money for him or something.
	Well, he's also apparently been, you know, he fell over supposedly.
	He's got a big, you know, got hit in the head somehow.
	I think they're either trying to either, maybe they're trying to assassinate him There was something still screwy that's never been fully explained about the butler who was spying on him.
	Well, that and they have the new Vatican.
	I always thought it was about the bank.
	And so they have the new bank president of the Vatican who apparently has ties to German warship manufacturing companies.
	I've always thought the Vatican was always about the money, about the bank.
	Manning is right though.
	That's a point well made.
	Yeah.
	You don't just send an email.
	Oh, yeah.
	And he actually goes on and on.
	And one of the things he says that I think is most interesting is when he actually starts preaching about this.
	And he cites all the biblical characters who went through all kinds of misery and refused to, you know, all of a sudden retire.
	I mean, it's the pope.
	The last time there was a resignation was 600 years ago.
	That was because there was a bunch of popes.
	And they're trying to figure out, because they had the Rome versus the area in France, which now makes the Chateauneuf-du-Pape wine, by the way.
	One of the popes had to quit, but they normally just die in office.
	So there's something more to this guy quitting than meets the eye, and we're not getting any of the story.
	So, how do we find out more?
	Where's Father Roderick?
	On this.
	I don't know where Father Roderick is.
	Remember Father Roderick?
	No.
	Yeah, he's the podcasting priest.
	Oh, the podcasting priest.
	Yeah, the Dutch podcasting priest, Father Roderick.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Yeah, I think he should chime in.
	I think he's donated to the show.
	So, hmm.
	Hmm.
	I mean, what, you know, there's a bank scandal coming up, so...
	You know, so what?
	I mean, he's just the head of the church.
	He doesn't run the bank.
	Well, what would they be afraid of?
	Because, you know, to have a pope die, I mean, that's easy.
	Well, supposedly there's a book that's coming out that talks about him in the Hitler Youth.
	That's damn it.
	Yay!
	But even so...
	Hey, even so, yeah.
	What's the problem?
	Essentially, yeah, that's what I said.
	What is the problem?
	Yeah, okay, whatever.
	You know, it was a mistake.
	Yeah, I was young.
	I should have joined the Hitler Youth.
	I was young.
	I didn't know.
	Apparently they should have.
	There was this thing about the Hitler Youth.
	Let's see, what was it?
	It was something to do with...
	Look at my list of crazy things.
	It's just a minor oversight.
	That brown shirt thing, you know.
	It was fashion faux pas.
	I really didn't...
	They're still not going to...
	You know, once you're the Pope, you're the Pope.
	It's like too bad.
	Yeah, don't you have some say?
	Can't you like say, hey, you know, like, hey, you over there.
	Shut up, slave!
	Don't you have anything?
	I mean, are you the Pope?
	I still find it personally amazing.
	To me, it's the same as a queen.
	You know, where you have people just are freaking out about this dude.
	You know, like people love the queen or love the king or the prince.
	I just don't understand.
	It's so medieval to me.
	It's very medieval.
	But it's still an attention getter.
	I'm okay if you believe in a higher power and God or Jesus or Allah or Buddha.
	No, all of that stuff.
	Whatever you call it up there around us.
	Love.
	Whatever you want to call it.
	I'm okay with that.
	Hey, come on.
	Leave me alone.
	Spin now.
	Spin.
	I'm spinning.
	Spinning.
	Whatever you want to call it.
	But when you have a person who then you pledge your allegiance to, that's where I just, it doesn't work for me.
	Our friend was over the other day.
	You know the two top Scientologists?
	I told you about them, right?
	They moved to Austin.
	The PR Scientologist people.
	You have a couple of Scientologists?
	They're trying to convert you.
	Well, no, they're not.
	No, no, no.
	Because I have to bring it up.
	I like you guys.
	I really want to be friends, but I have here my bookcase.
	I have Dianetics by L. Ron Hubbard.
	I read Dianetics.
	I don't see how you get from this book to a church.
	I don't get it.
	Just look yourself up to the E-meter.
	You're not clear.
	Let me be clear.
	Just let it go, let it go, let it go.
	Let me be clear.
	Hey, by the way, that's why Obama says it all the time.
	Maybe he's a Scientologist.
	Let me be clear.
	It might be.
	I don't think so.
	But I'm working on it because I just want him to explain it to me.
	So these guys came over and what happened?
	They don't want to come over to your house for dinner to be grilled about the, how do you get from here to there in the Scientology realm?
	Then you can ask them about Klaatu or whoever.
	I didn't just bring it up.
	It was like, you know, somehow they was in conversation.
	Oh, no, we still go to the church.
	And I was like, hey, can I ask you a question about the church?
	You know, I'm not like, hey, hey, how are you, friend?
	Hey, what's up with that Scientology thing?
	No, I'm not like that.
	No, I have a little more subtlety, but I'm interested.
	Because you look at all the stories about Scientology, and I'm like, these people don't really jive with those stories.
	Yeah, I know.
	Whoa, what's this?
	Most stories are extreme.
	Check this out.
	There's a lot of people that just...
	Viscerally hate Scientology.
	Well, that's how Anonymous started.
	Right, they started by attacking Scientology.
	It's like a boombox car driving by here in the hood.
	Nice neighborhood.
	Anonymous started attacking Scientology.
	I don't know.
	We don't understand.
	But I think it's very valid that Reverend Manning is on his game where he says, screw this, you just don't send an email.
	It just makes no sense.
	Here's my short clip from Manning.
	He has jingles.
	Oh, you know, this is his radio show.
	I love his show.
	Here we go.
	I am here to announce today, officially, that I'm on my way to Hawaii.
	And this, I think, kind of fits into your CIA killing clip.
	Hawaii, here I come.
	I have been talking about Hawaii, the alleged birthplace of Barack Obama.
	I have been examining the certificate of live birth.
	And the Long Farm Birth Certificate, all of this produced out of Hawaii.
	I am here to officially announce today that I'm on my way to Hawaii.
	Now, I will not announce the date of my traveling, as much as I don't know it as of yet.
	I love the way he puts that.
	I will not be announcing the date of my traveling as I do not know of it yet.
	But it's my intent to travel to Hawaii with a group of attorneys.
	And what we will do there is that we're going to file motions and Article 78 of that type.
	So it just keeps on going and going.
	He's so angry about this Barack Obama thing.
	Yeah, he thinks he's the devil.
	So, well, here's the...
	Now, this deposition is interesting because this took place...
	I think he gives the date on here.
	It's like maybe...
	This took place sometime...
	Remember that we used to play in the early...
	Like years ago on the show, the Mac Daddy.
	Oh, yeah.
	I can probably find a Mac Daddy.
	Yeah, the Mac Daddy clips.
	And he was crazy.
	He was going to Mac Daddy and he went on and on about...
	Barack Obama and the Mac Daddy!
	Long-legged Mac Daddy.
	Then he explained what a Mac Daddy was and all the rest of it.
	And then he went into what seemed to us to just completely disappear from the face of the earth.
	For at least a year, we didn't play a Manning clip.
	This situation with the CIA seems to have taken place during that little moment where he went silent, and then he started coming back only recently, actually.
	I don't think he's lying about this, but this deposition is quite interesting to listen to.
	On the 16th of November, the year 2009...
	I was visited by the CIA, I being James Manning.
	Now, is this from his actual church sermon?
	No, this is from his mock trial of Obama for treason or something.
	Well, so this is a year old at least, then?
	No, this is pretty old.
	I think he did this...
	I think it is about a year ago, but he's still discussing the 2009 incident, which would, I think, put him into the silent mode for a while, even though now he seems to be taking it lightly.
	But anyway.
	Was visited by the CIA, Homeland Security, and the New York City Police Department.
	That visit took place here in this church where we're now holding court.
	Albeit in my pastoral studies where the actual meeting happened.
	Following that visit by the CIA, the following Wednesday, which would have been the 18th if I'm correct, I received a call from a defective CIA agent that a hit had been put out on me by the CIA. Oh, really?
	Damn!
	Was called for before the visit by the CIA officers, Homeland Security, and Police Department.
	It showed up on the 16th of November.
	So, how much do you want me to play of this?
	Because it's long.
	Well, I can wrap up a couple of things he brought up.
	First, he discussed the assassination plot.
	Apparently, the guy who was hired to kill him, or the guy who was supposed to shoot him, wouldn't do it.
	He said, I'm not going to shoot this guy.
	Is it possible Manning is making all this up, that he's just delusional?
	I think it's possible.
	Of course, anyone could be making up, but I kind of doubt...
	I'm just going to go along and assume he's sincere.
	But he mentioned a couple of interesting things.
	What he brought out again late, and this is why he can't really play the whole thing, but I'll just summarize.
	He says that Obama, he found out from the same guy that Obama was in the CIA from 90...
	something like 2000, 2002.
	Yeah, at Occidental.
	Yeah.
	After his Occidental years.
	This is a well-established fact.
	But the one thing that he brought up, which I didn't...
	The CIA guy told him that everything you want to know to bust Obama out of this is to be found at Columbia University.
	And then the claim is made that he never went to Colombia.
	You cannot find any evidence that Obama ever was at Colombia.
	And he says that's the big CIA's.
	They have this great story around him, but this part is faulty.
	Right, and the records are sealed and no one's allowed to question it.
	Right.
	So I just thought it was interesting, but I didn't know about the assassination attempt.
	Here we go.
	Oh, that's the rap song.
	Obama pimps white women and black women.
	Oh, God.
	I'll put that in the show notes.
	That's his whole rap video, Obama's a Mac Daddy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's very, very interesting.
	Anyway, so I find that kind of interesting.
	So the full-length clip, of course, along with all of our audio material, is available in the show notes, 489er.nashownotes.com.
	Go to clipsandstuff.com.
	Well, I was digging around some of these older clips.
	I don't know that we've ever played the Larry Sinclair clip.
	Have we ever done that?
	We've definitely talked about them.
	I don't know if we've...
	This is a 10-minute clip.
	This is new for you.
	What are you doing?
	Just because I know you put the whole clip in the show notes, I thought this was a clip that should be in the public domain.
	Very smart.
	So Larry Sinclair is the male prostitute who claims that he showed Barack Obama around Chicago and that he had to snort coke off of the then...
	Was he senator?
	I think maybe he was senator at the time.
	State senator.
	Off of his bare thighs while feliciating him.
	Well, this is his...
	Actually, that's not quite accurate.
	Was it close?
	Here is the...
	Again, you can listen to it as much as you want, but you've got to at least get it to the point where he's sucking on the guy.
	And is Larry Sinclair still alive, right?
	He's not been killed yet.
	Yeah, but a bunch of other guys around him are dead.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, there's guys from the church who are dead.
	There's a whole bunch of...
	A lot of dead guys.
	A lot of dead guys.
	Good afternoon.
	My name is Larry Sinclair.
	In regards to the Obama incident, I flew out of Colorado Springs, Colorado to Chicago on November 2nd, 1999, arriving in O'Hare early in the morning of November 3rd.
	I went to the Chicago area to attend the graduation of my godson, my best friend's son, from basic training from the Great Lakes Navy Training Facility.
	I made reservations at the Comfort Inn in Suites in Gurney, Illinois, based solely on the location to the training center.
	On November 5, 1999, I hired the services of Five Star Limousines.
	Excuse me.
	I had hired them both for November 5 and November 6 of 1999.
	On November 6, 1999, I asked the limo driver, whose name I now reveal for the first time, If he knew anyone who would like to socialize and show me Chicago.
	Mr.
	Mutani understood that I was looking for someone who knew Chicago and would enjoy socializing.
	Mr.
	Mutani said he knew someone who was a friend of his.
	On November 6, 1999, after picking me up at the hotel in Gurney, and this is significant, Mr.
	Mukhtani used his cell phone to make a call.
	That call was made to then Illinois State Senator Barack Obama to set up an introduction between myself and Senator Obama.
	Upon arriving at the bar and exiting the limo, Senator Obama was standing next to Mr.
	Mutani, and I was introduced to Senator Obama by name.
	Later that evening, in a bar which I believed was called Alibis, and my state believed because I have failed so far to get Citigroup to provide the credit card receipts that has the actual name.
	I mentioned I could use a line or two to wake up.
	Senator Obama asked me if I was...
	That's how I could try to come on to all my boyfriends, by the way.
	Hey, honey, I could use a line or two just to wake up.
	Referring to Coke, and I stated I was.
	After stating I was, Obama stated he could purchase cocaine for me and then made a telephone call.
	This too was significant from a cell phone to a presently unknown individual during which Senator Obama arranged the cocaine purchase.
	Senator Obama and I then departed the bar in my limousine and proceeded to an unknown location where Senator Obama exited the limousine with $250, which was provided to him by me.
	Returned a short while later with an eight ball of cocaine, which he gave to me.
	I did ingest a couple of lines of cocaine, and shortly thereafter, Senator Obama produced a glass cylinder pipe and packet of crack cocaine from his pocket.
	Obama then smoked the crack cocaine.
	I performed fellatio on Senator Obama in the limousine during the time Senator Obama was smoking crack cocaine.
	I forgot the crack part.
	Okay, I got pretty close.
	Anyway.
	It goes on and on and on.
	It's actually quite interesting.
	This just showed up all of a sudden.
	I think this comes and goes as a clip.
	I think the reason why it's popped up again is because the president spent a weekend, just him and Reggie Love, In Palm Springs, and he played golf with Tiger Woods, and the press was not told, and the press couldn't come in.
	Right, the press was kept away from the golf game, which is very unusual because Obama doesn't mind the publicity.
	For anything.
	So they were banned, and I didn't know about the Reggie Love thing.
	Yeah, no.
	Reggie Love got off.
	So they come back from the trip.
	The president had a 10-minute off-the-record conversation with the press, which the press is reporting as a 10-minute off-the-record conversation.
	The president de-planed, followed by Reggie Love, who de-planed several minutes later.
	Oh, interesting.
	Tiger Woods...
	Quoted a saying during the game of golf, the president has, quote, amazing touch and pretty good stick.
	I hate to say it.
	I mean, you don't need Tiger.
	Not helpful, okay?
	Not helpful, my friend.
	We're trying to keep this on the down low, baby.
	Jeez.
	How stupid is that?
	Maybe he did it on purpose.
	It's sort of a gag.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Code.
	Hello.
	Wink, wink.
	Hello.
	Get it?
	So I got...
	I spoke to one of our military industrial...
	Well, spoke is a big word.
	I had contact, not actual voice contact, with one of our...
	Military and Distro Complex contacts, one of our higher-ranked ones, and got some pretty good information, which is also one of these, oh my god, that makes so much sense, how come we haven't really put all that together?
	And it surrounds another piece of news that is just a story that is just kind of thrown out there, and of course no one has really I'm not paying any attention to it because, you know, it's much more interesting to talk about the Blade Runner guy who shot his model girlfriend in Australia or any other bullcrap.
	No, South Africa is even that far away.
	I'm sorry, South Africa.
	Why are we, this is an African, South African news story.
	People are, you know, killed all over the world.
	Why is there so much attention being paid to this guy?
	But okay.
	President Barack Obama says he's accepted Marine General John Allen's request to retire rather than move forward with plans to make him commander of NATO forces in Europe.
	General Allen said in a written statement that his reasons for his decision were personal and it's time to focus on his family.
	The Washington Post has reported that his wife suffers from a combination of chronic health issues that include an autoimmune disorder.
	Earlier this month, Allen finished a 19-month stint as the top commander of U.S. and Allied forces in Afghanistan.
	His highly regarded career took a surprise turn last fall when the Pentagon announced that he was being investigated for potentially inappropriate email exchanges with a civilian woman in Florida.
	The Pentagon announced last month that he had been cleared of any wrongdoing.
	It wasn't immediately clear who the White House will nominate for the NATO job.
	So this is big, big news within the military-industrial complex.
	And there's a reason for it.
	And as my operative says, you know, it's all political BS. And of course, I'm like, well, what do you mean exactly by that?
	And he says, he or she says, well, you've got to look a little bit deeper into what is actually going on.
	And it all comes back to Benghazi.
	Now, the thing is, if the general really wanted to go on to become the big kahuna of NATO, he would have to be, apparently, I didn't know this, he would have to be affirmed for this job by the Senate.
	And he absolutely did not want any questions whatsoever in the Senate because, you know, Something really, really horrible went down in Benghazi, and everybody knows about it, and everybody also knows who's responsible for Benghazi.
	And this is the piece we hadn't put together.
	And this is why John McCain is so nutsoid about Benghazi, because the guy who called off all of the support, the air support, the guy who called off Any rescue efforts for the ambassador and the other operatives in Benghazi?
	Which guy was that, John?
	I mean, we know it wasn't the president because he didn't talk to anyone.
	We know it wasn't Hillary Lucifer Clippity-Claw because she didn't talk to anyone that night.
	Who was it that actually...
	John Brennan!
	Oh, gee.
	And this is what we hadn't connected.
	So these guys, they want to, under any circumstances, they are too afraid to death that Brennan will become CIA director because he kills their people.
	And now there's a direct competition between the CIA and the DIA. The DIA currently looking for 5,000 new spies.
	I'm sorry.
	Asymmetrical warfare...
	What is it?
	AWG. Delta operators.
	The Asymmetrical Warfare Operatives.
	Delta?
	No, it's douchebag.
	No, Delta operators.
	Okay.
	The Delta operators, you see, are analysts and advisors of the DIA. And they're all over the place.
	They're in Mali.
	They're in Algeria.
	You can drop these guys in wherever you want.
	You don't need any senatorial approval.
	They're not officially boots on the ground.
	So there's now a war, which we've known.
	Are they the advisors?
	Yes.
	Consultants.
	Consultants.
	So they're hiring 5,000 of them.
	That's a lot.
	That's the DIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and they are in direct competition with the CIA, and the CIA, now Brennan, who was just a consultant, he was an advisor, and he's the one that said, no, the White House says, you don't send any planes out.
	To go save our people, because of course he was in on the whole kidnapping that went awry.
	And that's why John McCain, who was famously of course a military operative, is doing this kind of crap with Chip Gregory last Sunday on the Chips show.
	The President said this week on the issue of Benghazi, you guys are running out of things to ask about.
	So let me ask you, at the end of the day here on Benghazi, if the worst thing is true, what is that truth about how the President handled this crisis?
	Well, I don't know the answer to that question.
	See, he knows the answer, but he can't say it.
	He needs to get this out.
	We do know that there are so many answers we don't know.
	For example, what did the President do the night of the attack?
	We know he met with the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on another issue and then never talked to them again.
	We know that the Secretary of State, who said she was clear-eyed, never saw the warnings about The fact that the consulate could not withstand an attack.
	Why was that?
	We don't even still know.
	We've had five different versions of who put together the talking points.
	We know who put together now was Brennan.
	We want to know why the president alleged to Mitt Romney in a debate that he had called it a terrorist attack when he hadn't.
	And in an interview that very night of September 12th, he said he didn't know what it was and for two weeks later kept saying he didn't know what kind of attack it was.
	And in testimony, the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff both said they knew that night.
	There's so many questions about Benghazi.
	We've had two movies about getting bin Laden, and we don't even know who the people were who were evacuated from the consulate the next day after the attack.
	Isn't that amazing that we still don't know that?
	There's like 50 people?
	I know they snuck those guys out.
	So Brennan...
	Brennan is the one who said to Alan, dude, you are not going to Congress.
	You are not going to testify.
	You are leaving now, or I'm going to completely ruin you.
	Which, of course, he has the emails, the sexed-up emails.
	All these guys are all sexed up.
	They're all boning chicks everywhere.
	The huge cocks just walking around because they can.
	Well, front page of today is New York Times.
	Which I don't read.
	White House refusing legal memo access.
	They're trying to submarine Brennan.
	And it's the Democrats, too.
	Oh, yeah.
	Which makes sense if you're going to take the theory that everybody knows.
	The White House is refusing to share fully with Congress the legal opinions that justify targeted killings.
	They're still after that.
	Well, maneuvering to make sure its stance does not do anything to endanger the confirmation of, in other words, the White House still wants Brennan in as CIA director, rather than agreeing to some Democratic senators.
	Demands for full access to the classified legal memos on the targeted killing program.
	Obama administration officials are negotiating with Republicans to provide more information on the lethal attacks of the American diplomatic compound in Benghazi.
	According to the congressional staff.
	So this is front page right now.
	So something's up.
	Well, here's what's up.
	So according to my source, my source says there will be lots of people leaking information because the military is really, really angry that their people were left out to dry.
	I mean, you know, duh.
	We know General Hamm was told to step down.
	People had been arrested, thrown out of the military.
	Petraeus was...
	And of course, they all had their ulterior motives.
	I think there was also a potential military coup being set up where Petraeus is...
	And he still may run for presidential candidate in 2016.
	I mean, it's all very possible.
	I think that was going on.
	But for sure, and my operative is saying, you know, hey, I'm angry too, that we're just being left out to dry.
	And he says Kerry knows nothing, our new Secretary of State.
	There's the big empty waterhead, as they call him.
	And he better get a clue quick because...
	According to my source, more ambassadors will die.
	How about that, huh?
	That's a good one.
	No, it's not good, but it's one for the red book.
	No, I mean, that's a good piece of tidbit.
	So what I said...
	Well, you know, Kerry, by the way, I didn't make a clip of it, but I was going to do a joke clip.
	Yeah.
	But Kerry gave a speech...
	Yeah, about global warming.
	It was the longest speech.
	It went on for...
	For days, and it went on about this and that.
	Oh, I miss Hillary.
	That guy is an idiot.
	I miss Hillary so much.
	And of course, now the FBI is investigating the Heinz sale for insider trading.
	So that's how they get Carrie.
	So we need something to blackmail her.
	No, it wasn't Carrie that did that.
	Well, who knows if he was in on it or not?
	I doubt it.
	Oh, all right.
	So I told our operative the following.
	I said, we will listen to any leak.
	Complete anonymity assured.
	You know, I'll meet you anywhere.
	Whatever you want.
	Better make sure you're anonymous in all kinds of different ways because they'll go after you for sure.
	And I also asked, how could we get one of those DIA asymmetric warfare gigs?
	I think we'd be great consultants.
	Yeah, we would.
	Analysts or advisors.
	Come on, man.
	Get us on.
	And he sent me to a web page.
	What is asymmetric warfare?
	Here, I'll tell you.
	I know what asymmetric warfare is.
	I'm all over it.
	What is asymmetric warfare?
	It's where you have an unbalanced attacker.
	In other words, essentially, it's like if you're like a small group of a small cadre set up in whatever organizational structure you want and you do nothing but take pot shots at a helpless, large opponent, it's essentially like ankle biting.
	Right.
	Well, we'd be perfect for that.
	Somebody kicks you in the shin and runs off.
	It's essentially what's asymmetrical warfare is.
	A little kid.
	Shin kicker.
	Kicking in the shin and running away.
	And as you're trying to chase him, he runs off.
	He can't catch him.
	All right.
	Operational advisor in the asymmetric warfare group.
	Here's the position that's available.
	Operate in an unconstrained and undefined environment where there are no scripts and where the enemy does not follow a playbook.
	I'd say that's...
	We got that written all over us.
	Understand the supported unit's operational environment or battle space from the platoon to division levels and the associated commander's priorities.
	Yeah, I'll just say we got that.
	I'm not quite sure what it means, but it sounds like we can figure it out.
	Understand the bigger picture and priorities of the theater commander since they affect subordinates' decision-making processes.
	Say yes to the boss.
	Oil pipelines.
	Oil pipelines.
	Yes.
	Understand the friendly, neutral, and threat actors at the different levels without the luxury of developing that knowledge over a period of months.
	Well, hello.
	This is what we do twice a week.
	Generate networks within the supported unit and from outside agencies in order to attack and solve complex problems.
	Well, we already got your network.
	We're talking to your people already.
	Understand the influencers within the supported organization.
	Yeah, Brennan.
	Get to the root cause of a problem and develop an attainable solution given current constraints and limitations.
	Brennan, also Brennan.
	Brennan.
	All right, so here's the traits we look for in operational advisors.
	Adaptability, flexibility, problem-solving skills, time management skills, organizational skills.
	I don't know about that.
	I don't know.
	A weak spot.
	Yeah.
	Our Achilles heel.
	Ability to plan.
	Interpersonal skills.
	Compatibility.
	Communication skills.
	Ability to deal with ambiguity.
	Decision-making skills.
	And ability to self-motivate.
	Oh yeah.
	I can self-motivate all day long.
	So we can apply.
	Click here to apply.
	It's probably...
	I think you get most of it in filthy lucre.
	I got certificate-based authentication failed.
	No, it's because your rig has been compromised.
	Speaking of which, how awesome is it that we're about to go to war with the Chiners over some bogative report?
	Talking about that book, yeah, well, something's going on.
	But how about this for...
	I'm listening to it.
	Unfortunately, I don't have a clip of it because the reason is inexplicable.
	So I'm listening to some more of these...
	Pentagon guys moaning about, oh God, they're taking 7%, but somehow it's 30%.
	We're losing 30%.
	We can't do this.
	We can't do that.
	We're not going to be prepared.
	And the way he kept saying it over and over, we're not going to be prepared for the next war.
	There's a war coming, and we're not prepared.
	We're not going to be prepared.
	We don't have the money.
	We are in perpetual war.
	Well, so I had another operator.
	Talk to me, who is boots on the ground.
	You're talking about the sequestration, about the weak left or whatever.
	Yes, talking about the extreme on the last show.
	Yeah, well, we have a huge, which I think is great.
	Let's be honest.
	Let's just stop spending, whatever.
	So we'll have all kinds of homeless people eating cat food.
	I'm a fan of getting these things over quick.
	When I met Mickey and I knew that I'd fallen in love with her, I told my wife almost immediately.
	Because it sucks no matter what.
	It's painful no matter what.
	I'm for ripping it off and dealing with the pain up front and not dragging it out.
	So that's my philosophy in life.
	And it hurts.
	It's painful and it's not fun, but I feel like get it going up front.
	So let me state that.
	So if you look at the military-industrial complex, which comprises, I think, isn't it almost at this point, almost all the money that we pay in taxes goes into the military?
	Isn't that kind of what it is?
	No, actually, it's not true.
	Most of it goes to Medicare.
	Half.
	It's got to be at least half.
	Yeah, about half.
	It's about half.
	Okay.
	It's a lot.
	We've spoken to many people, particularly the first Hot Pockets tour we went around the Virginia area.
	Spook Central.
	It's not just spooks, but it's all these operations, particularly when it comes to technology.
	These are fiefdoms.
	And the people who run these fiefdoms, they protect the money that comes in.
	They build up these huge things.
	And they've got people that they pay.
	And everyone's on the take.
	And everyone's getting blown.
	And they've got hookers and everything.
	And it's a huge freaking bonanza.
	And they never believed that this would actually happen.
	They never really believed it.
	And of course, now it's like when you're in bed with a mob.
	And you go, hey, listen, mobsters.
	I can't pay you this week because of this stupid sequestration thing.
	There's all kinds of, you know, people are freaking out.
	When you have to put an aircraft carrier into the dock because it's not coming out or whatever, this is, it is very significant in their delusional world.
	Yeah, and by the way, I want to remind people that there was a really good example of what Adam kind of glossed over a second ago.
	One of the Soprano episodes, Tony Soprano had made friends, this guy had actually made friends with him, he was a sporting goods guy.
	And he ran the store, and he borrowed some money from Tony for something.
	And he didn't pay him back on time thinking Tony would let it slide.
	And Tony just beat the crap out of him on the spot.
	And then, you know, you're not your friend.
	And it was just like an eye-opener for this idiot who ended up losing the store.
	So this is going to happen to people.
	People are basically the military version of Tony Soprano beating the crap out of you.
	Because it does go all the way, all across the board.
	And so I understand people are freaking out.
	And we spend too much in our military.
	And I always hear that we're ten times as big as all other military combined.
	Well, we could be five times.
	The problem is it puts hundreds of thousands of people out of work, which we're bound to hit anyway.
	If not in October, then in five years.
	It's going to happen.
	So I'd rather go through the real depression now.
	Just go.
	Come on.
	Cat food, they've tested it.
	You can eat it five days a week and you won't die.
	It does have some dolphin in it.
	So this is the way the media have a little montage here, a one-minute montage of your news media, because I know that people listening to the show don't watch that anymore.
	This is how these slaves are being mind-controlled about this.
	There's a serious catch, though, to this month's crisis in Washington.
	Just for starters, what we're looking at here is a possible loss of 750,000 American jobs by the end of the year.
	President Obama is warning of dire consequences for all of us if lawmakers don't act quickly.
	The justice system is going to be affected across the board, especially the Justice Department.
	The president has said it's an issue of national security.
	Well, if you're flying out of airports like BWI, you are really looking for a tough time if these forced budgets do actually go through.
	Just this morning, the president said, quote, hundreds of thousands of Americans will lose access to primary care and preventive care, like flu vaccinations and cancer screenings.
	And the White House also estimates that cuts to mental health funding will leave 373,000 Americans left untreated.
	Now, that might mean scaling back on youth violence prevention programs that politicians on both sides of the aisle want to see more of after that shooting in Newtown.
	The Agriculture Department also thinks our food supply might be at risk.
	We're all going to die!
	We're all going to die!
	Die!
	Die!
	I tell you!
	Alright, you can give that clip of the week.
	No, no, no.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	There's better.
	There's better.
	I don't feel good about that.
	I don't care.
	I called it.
	You have to...
	When somebody calls, they call it.
	Clip of the day.
	I'll tell you why.
	It's because the...
	I mean, besides this panicky thing, it always goes back to the calculation we did.
	7%.
	So, popular science...
	Did a study about people eating cat food, and their suggestion is to get the Newman's Own canned beef formula, as it is cat food consisting of free-range beef from Uruguay, chock-full of vitamins.
	Ah.
	Yeah.
	They write that down.
	Yeah.
	They also say...
	In this article, that technically a human can ingest and digest a baseball.
	Not recommending that as a survival strategy.
	Well, softball then would be doubly good.
	Anyway, so of course, all of the stupid news media have to play along with the dumb script.
	Like, oh, what's going to happen, boss?
	This is not going to go...
	And, of course, up there in James Carney's territory, James Carney is the spokeshole for the Obama administration, there is a new woman in the press corps who had the audacity to ask What we discussed on this program, if not Sunday the week before, was this not the President's idea in the first place?
	It was kind of his idea and the way we understand it.
	It was like, hey, if you don't come up with the goods on this thing, then I'll make it law so that we just have to cut everybody.
	They'll never go for that.
	And of course, it was all set up for the Republicans to call his bluff.
	They did.
	And they did.
	And here we are.
	And she had the audacity.
	Of hope.
	To ask.
	Remind us.
	To remind us that this was the President's idea.
	No, she's done.
	She's out.
	It's bad for the middle class.
	And last week, didn't...
	Everyone agrees that sequester's a bad idea, but didn't it originate...
	Didn't the idea for the sequester originate here at the White House?
	Well, we've been through this a lot.
	I know you're filling in, but the...
	But wait!
	Here's the fundamental fact.
	During the deficit reduction of the debt ceiling negotiations, because the Republicans refused to embrace balance, refused to, in the end, Join hands with the president and pursue a grand bargain.
	There was an absolute necessity to avoid the default.
	And both sides were looking for trigger mechanisms.
	This is complicated budget speak.
	So listen, slave, I know you're filling in.
	And this is complicated budget speak.
	Trigger mechanisms.
	Wow.
	Do you think we can figure it out?
	Trigger mechanisms.
	No, no.
	Too dumb for me.
	You gotta run a douchebag clip right there.
	Yeah, I think you're right.
	Douchebag!
	What an a-hole.
	I thought it was funny.
	Hey, I know you're filling in, and I will kick your ass later.
	You're out of your mind asking these questions.
	Douchebag.
	Shut up.
	And then on the MSNBC's Chris Matthews, he actually told the truth for once.
	Oh, that's odd.
	Yeah, but he didn't quite realize it.
	Oh.
	Let me finish tonight with this.
	I think the difference between the Democrats and Republicans is getting as wide as the Grand Canyon.
	Watch how they do it.
	President Obama wants to keep the government going.
	Pretty simple, huh?
	Republicans threaten to stop it.
	It's relentless.
	The fiscal abyss, the debt ceiling, the sequester, the end of the continuing resolution.
	Different words, different deadlines all detonate the same explosion.
	They threaten to crash the government if they don't like the way it's doing something.
	If they don't like who the American people have elected as president.
	Isn't that what the Republicans did back in the old days?
	If they didn't like a government somewhere, Guatemala, Iran, the Dominican Republic, Chile, they just brought it down.
	Guess what?
	Republicans are now using the same tactic here at home.
	If they don't like who we've elected president, they find some way to undermine the government, discredit its leaders, whatever it takes to destroy it.
	We are using in this country the same old Cold War CIA tactics to destabilize our own country.
	Yes, exactly.
	Only it's not a Republican-Democrat thing, but that is exactly what is happening.
	We are doing the exact same thing we do.
	And by the way, he forgot to mention some of the Democrat president countries like the Balkans under Clinton and Carter.
	There's a couple he left out there.
	But that is indeed what is happening.
	We are just destroying the world and the United States along with it.
	Not intended to make this any great place to be.
	That's not in the plan.
	So I didn't have a chance.
	I downloaded it, but I didn't have a chance to listen to the new Dvorak Horowitz Unplugged, which I enjoy immensely.
	And I thought that just looking at the title and the topics, like, oh, this is going to be good.
	I'd like to just get a little update, if you don't mind.
	One, when are we all going to die financially?
	And two, how does gold fit into this?
	Because gold has been just hammered down.
	You know me, I like gold.
	Yeah, you do.
	I don't sell it.
	I don't sell seeds.
	Don't sell gold bullion and coins.
	I'd like having it.
	And I bought it when it was $850 an ounce, and now it still is $1,500, so it's still almost double.
	But at a time where the Germans are saying we want our gold back, everyone's like, where's our gold?
	The Chinese apparently, everyone's buying gold.
	Now all of a sudden, gold is down like, what, $30, $40 in the span of a couple weeks?
	What is happening?
	John C. Dvorak, Nobel Prize winning economist here.
	It was overpriced.
	It's just being sold off.
	But isn't it supposed to be like the place that everyone flocks to?
	Well, yeah, when the market's crashing, but the market's doing quite well.
	Because, well, no, the market was down because we heard the Federal Reserve...
	No, it's down a couple of points.
	It's in the 13,000s and it keeps hitting 14.
	It's going to probably go to 15.
	Really?
	Really?
	Yeah, that's what it looks like.
	I think a lot of it has to do with all this.
	I've said it before, and you've said, oh, I don't get that.
	And I think it's from all the wealth we're pulling out of all those tar sands and all the crappy natural gas we're putting out there for free.
	Excuse me, you have me confused with someone else.
	I've never even heard this theory of yours.
	Yeah, it was a couple of weeks ago I gave it to you, and maybe you weren't listening.
	No, that happens.
	Say it again.
	I want to understand.
	My thesis is that we have a 40-year and 80-year-old depression cycle.
	It kind of means every 80 years they're really bad, which is the one we're in.
	And every 40 years they're bad, but not as bad.
	And one of the reasons that nobody believes this thesis is because the period from 1850 to 1860, there was no massive depression, although there was one in 1857.
	And that's because of the free money that was pumped into the system, today's equivalent of $30 trillion in printed money.
	Because of the discovery of gold.
	Gold and silver are all in the New World.
	Right, right, right.
	So you're saying that...
	In fact, if you read the books, the first books, by the way, that were written about depressions and what happened and how it happened and all the rest began in 1857.
	In 1857, there are still some books available in some of the older libraries who haven't burned these books.
	About the Depression of 1857 that was maybe printed in the 1860s anyway.
	So I believe that that influx of cash or essentially printed money, found gold, into the economy, kept it from going into a depression until 1857 when it should have crashed in 1853 or before, in 1849, maybe 18...
	Something modeled after the 39 situation.
	Today, we have a similar situation with all the, apparently, all the oil and gas that we found in the USA that is producing, I think, a lot of wealth similar to the gold wealth, and that is pushing off the inevitable depression.
	And it may push it off, I don't know if there's enough of it, but it may push it off until 2017.
	Oh, okay.
	So, but...
	So we're seeing a similar situation from 1849 to 1860, by the way.
	Okay, no, I remember the conversation because what I said is I took a little bit of issue with it because I can't just go with my pan down to the river and get me some shale gas and go sell it.
	Yeah, well, if you're living in Chicago, you couldn't do that during the gold rush.
	It was just individuals.
	But anyway, that's beside the point.
	Uh...
	The thing that we always have to remember is the real problem with the cycle theory is that there's a war cycle involved.
	And that means we're engulfed to a major extent in 2020 in some sort of conflagration.
	So, okay.
	Very unpleasant situation.
	World War.
	Kind of sucks.
	That will suck.
	So what happened to October?
	Because you've also said that October, everything's going to come crashing down.
	Is that now off the books?
	Is that not happening?
	No, no.
	I'm saying I'm not sure that we're getting enough wealth out of the ground free.
	So I don't know.
	All I do is in my cycle book, which is yet to see print, is I discuss the possibilities, what kind of things fall into place.
	I think it's yet to see.
	We could have a crash in October still.
	I think it's yet to see manuscript.
	I don't know if it's yet to see print.
	I don't think it's in manuscript form yet.
	Anyway, the point is, this is the situation as it now exists.
	But whatever the case is, nobody in any of these cycles has ever been able to avoid the seventh-year crash.
	It happened in the 30s.
	It happened in the 70s.
	In fact, the 70s are very funny.
	It happened in the 1857.
	You're not going to get around that one.
	So it happened in 1987?
	No, no, 77.
	That was the last cycle.
	Oh, that was the last one?
	The 87 crash, which was a flash crash, was actually an 80-year cycle.
	It happened in 1907, and anyone who was familiar with this phenomenon, which happens every 80 years, where you have a one- or two-day crash.
	Can I make a suggestion?
	You can make tons of money on.
	It will happen again in 80 years in 2067.
	Here's what I would recommend.
	2067, sell everything just for the crash and then buy it.
	Okay, so my, as a friend and a colleague, my suggestion would be to get the book ready, you know, like, and even if you print it yourself or whatever, and then pick like your, I like your 2017 target, and just stick to the message, because, you know, you confuse me every single time.
	Just say, I like all that, you know, just go psycho, I like it when you spout off years, like, oh, this and that and go rush, but never ever say, Well, it might not.
	You've got to be like, we're going to die in 2017, followed by World War in 2020.
	It's all going to suck.
	We're going to die.
	That has not changed.
	No, it does.
	You don't do it right.
	No, you think it does.
	Look, I'm the audience.
	I'm asking the question, and then you confuse me.
	I want to feel good about death.
	I want to feel good about death in the future.
	I've got to get this in print, because then people can point at it and say, what about this?
	And then I can explain it.
	Yes, exactly.
	Yes, I know.
	You've got to get this.
	How can I help?
	It's so much work deconstructing the news for this audience.
	I know, I know.
	That it's very difficult to get this thing finished.
	Although I'd say it's mostly written.
	I have the vinegar book is also also written.
	It just needs to be edited down.
	I've never even heard of the vinegar book.
	I've heard of the salt book, the egg book, the cycles book.
	Now there's a vinegar book?
	Oh yeah, the vinegar book.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Huh.
	Is there any other...
	You became even more imperative when I read the article in the recent Seattle Times about how to make homemade vinegar, and it's just wrong.
	It's basically making something that's just going to make you upset.
	Poison.
	Making poison.
	We'll talk about vinegar on another show.
	Yeah, you have to have a mother.
	I know that.
	You've got to have a mother.
	Yeah, a mother, right.
	What is a mother?
	I'm going to show my mood by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah!
	Welcome to my show!
	So we had a newsletter that we sent out, and even beyond the newsletter, John and I had two conversations outside of the show.
	Which is very distressing.
	It is, yes, I can't put it any other way.
	It is extremely distressing.
	And the reason for these conversations is because we both felt...
	That the donation segment has become something beyond our control.
	It's too long.
	And how do we solve this?
	I think it's boring.
	It's becoming boring, yes.
	Now, let's...
	Well, I'd like to say, I'd like to get the elephant in the room within view, because I've thought about this since our last conversation.
	Did you look at any of the notes that people sent us?
	I have not looked at any of the notes.
	Oh, you mean the emails?
	Yeah, no, tons of emails that people sent, and with all kinds of ideas.
	Talk about ideas.
	Okay?
	Because people are very helpful.
	They're saying, you know, raise the limit.
	You know, no notes.
	Only executive producers should do notes or, you know, nothing under $100.
	I mean, a million ideas a million different times a day.
	Just a million things.
	Here's the issue.
	Here's what I am most afraid of, and I want to get it out, get it off my chest, and then I'll feel better moving forward.
	Thanks.
	The issue here is the fear That people are donating only to get their message out there and get some kind of jingle combo or karma or whatever, and it's not actually for support of the show.
	So my fear is that if we change this, and I live 100% off of this money.
	I have no other income but this.
	My fear is that if we change the way the donation segment works in any manner, that we'll wind up with less money.
	And as I say that, I would rather be poor than think that people are only donating to have you read it in a stoner voice and they don't care about the show.
	If it's not for the show, then I would just rather not have it.
	I think this is good.
	Do you feel the same way?
	You thought about this, apparently.
	I did, and I was like, you know, I don't want to be a whore to a corporate entity, but I also don't want people just sending money because, you know, we're like the court jesters, and like, oh, look, Adam did a funny combo of jingles.
	Oh, look, oh, I got a karma jingle.
	Oh, you know, John wrote it in a stoner voice.
	Look what I can make him do now.
	Oh, Atlas Shrug jingle.
	Oh, John hates it.
	That is not actually supporting the work we're doing.
	So if it's not for supporting the work we're doing, then I would rather make less money.
	That's kind of my feeling.
	So whatever we do, as long as it's for support of the work and not for...
	I'm okay with reading notes, and sometimes people have very interesting things to say.
	And I think that we read everything, regardless.
	I'm just not sure that it's helpful for reading all of these long diatribes, and I just look at the list again today, and I can see that it's going to take us 45 minutes to get through it if we read every single one all the way through.
	And I like the numerology, I like swazzle enough, but at a certain point I think it's not going to be entertaining, and I think we're getting very close to that, and it really isn't that constructive for the deconstruction we do.
	All right.
	I think it's reasonable that you feel this way.
	How do you feel?
	I believe that we should just raise the limit for where we start reading and we should just thank people.
	I'm under the camp that we should do the minimum number of reads, some selected ones from the lower numbers, and then thank everybody that's over $50 because everything under $50 is anonymous by rule.
	Or even raise the anonymous point and just essentially cut the segment in half but still read all the executives and all those guys because they tend to be judicious about their donations.
	The executive producers, the top four or five people that donate on any show.
	Mm-hmm.
	So that's kind of what I'm thinking.
	But, you know, we have a million emails that came in on the new email, which will tell people if you want to get a hold of us, although I don't know how effective it's going to be in the long term, which is NA feedback.
	Can I ask you, what the hell were you thinking?
	About what?
	NAFeedback at Outlook.com?
	I tried No Agenda, somebody took it.
	I tried No Agenda Show and somebody took it.
	Really?
	I tried all kinds of stuff and they were all gone.
	All the No Agenda related names were gone.
	So I just made NAFeedback and nobody stole that.
	Hold on one second, John.
	I've got an emergency here.
	Hold on.
	So, as Adam goes off to clear up whatever happened there, I guess his house is on fire.
	Just moved in.
	Let me thank a few people that are on this list.
	Can you turn the air conditioner down for me?
	Like cooler?
	Well, here it comes.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't even want to explain what happened.
	Peter Bennett in Brooklyn, Ontario, 12407, which is an uninteresting number.
	Uh...
	He says that we must continue to read the producer's note.
	He gets a kick out of it, and he should put that in an email to NAfeedback.
	Can I say one other thing kind of about this?
	I'm sorry.
	It's an important topic.
	My suggestion was that we take our own, this is what you and I discussed off air, that we take our own poetic license and we just edit these things down.
	Before the show, and you have balked at that, and I don't understand why.
	Because this spreadsheet comes in five minutes before the show starts.
	So then let's start the show later.
	And sit around editing?
	Yeah, I know it's actual work, but I'm sorry.
	I mean, do you realize that after every show, when you go off on your merry way, do you realize that I do stuff?
	I have edited stuff.
	In fact, I've edited stuff on the fly, and you say, well, you didn't say this.
	No, that's different.
	That's different, because I'm reading along with you.
	It is very different.
	It is different.
	No, and here's what I'm saying.
	It's not you.
	It's them.
	You're going to say something, I'm going to read the guy's note, and I'm going to leave a little thing out that's all he really wanted was the thing that I cut out is what he wanted.
	And I'm going to get another note, and it's going to become a nightmare.
	Okay, good point.
	I got it.
	I agree with that.
	So, but aren't our listeners producers?
	Yes.
	Well, they should take some responsibility as producers and help produce a better show.
	Well, I would agree with that.
	We discussed that if they would just cut these notes down.
	From the length that they are, they're like, you know, 100 words, 200 words.
	They take, you know, this one, Peter Bennett, for example, in Brooklyn, he's got a long note that should have been sent to no agenda at Outlook or NA feedback at Outlook.com, although he might not be on the mailing list.
	I think the first thing we can do, I'm just, you know what, I'm going to say this, I'm sick and tired of doing, I don't mind if you want a karma shot, I'm sick and tired of being your monkey boy with your jingles.
	It's not funny anymore.
	I'll do it for executive producers, a couple.
	But what is the point?
	What value does this bring to anyone's life?
	Well, I think the karma seems to have an effect.
	Yes.
	But all the other stuff may be a little bit much.
	And people keep asking for four, you know, or more, even three.
	I don't know.
	I mean, so look at Peter Bennett.
	I mean, he's typical.
	So he says, you will obey karma shot with a buzzer.
	If someone asks to hear a clip that was played somewhere between episode 14 and 35, but only the first 7.34 seconds through Adam's bullhorn, I mean, you know, it's just like, I mean, I don't get it.
	But then I look at that and go like, well, it's $124.07, so that's not going to show up anymore?
	Well, I don't know.
	We'll find out.
	I'm willing to risk it.
	That's what you say.
	We have to still have a model that we agree on.
	The model is value for value.
	We're not talking about a model for what the cutoffs are and who's an executive producer and all the rest of it.
	My thought was the same.
	I want to take the thing up for $50 for all the mentions and just thank everybody with a list of names.
	You know, this guy, that guy, this woman, that woman, you know, whatever.
	For $50?
	Yeah.
	That's the level or anything above?
	I don't understand.
	No, no.
	To be another level, like $100, before we read anything.
	And then anything below that...
	So you're talking about inflation.
	And say thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, and you're done.
	Alright, so you're talking about inflation, essentially.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Inflation.
	And what we'd like the producers to kind of cut down on their long-windedness.
	I mean, there are some people that have funny stories, but generally speaking...
	Here, let's read these, and then we can say why it should be short.
	Okay, we will evaluate every note.
	That's in the donation segment?
	Yes, in this donation segment today.
	Well, then we can play, might as well do the whole thing from Bennett.
	An interesting number.
	You must continue to read the producer notes.
	I get a kick out of your reading the notes.
	I have sent you along with my contribution.
	I don't mind the length, but I can see how some anally retentive listeners could get grumpy.
	For me, the longer the better.
	I've got a long commute.
	Suggestions for executive and associate.
	You can read their comments if excessive.
	We've talked about that.
	So he goes on.
	Minimum donation $69.69, which is what I thought was not bad.
	And he goes on with some other stuff about minimum jingles and all the rest.
	Anyway, he, uh, but then he has this, if someone here likes to hear a clip that was played between episode 14 and 35, only play the first 7.34 seconds, and through Adam's bullhorn, then give them, I don't, it's just, no, it's not gonna, that's never gonna work.
	Uh, anyway, he wants a karma shot with the, he wants you will obey karma shot buzzer.
	Hmm.
	See, I'm already not doing this right.
	Because I was going to say something, that what people don't take into account, because he's like, oh, the longer the better.
	Okay, very funny, but after the, you know, this is like, this is real, this is not only mental, this is physical work.
	And after we go through these very long donation segments, I don't know why you, I'm tired.
	And then I'm tired, and then we rush, because it's long, and I'm tired, and then there's stuff that doesn't get handled properly, and that's the actual value we're supposed to be bringing.
	You will obey.
	You've got karma.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, no, I understand.
	I'm donating $111.
	I've got to stay on this.
	So when you make us tired with long notes, you are hurting the actual show.
	There you go.
	I would agree with that.
	I also think it changes the pace of the show.
	Yes.
	Luckily the second half is repaced.
	Michael Maluski in Melbourne, Australia.
	I'm donating 111.11 as that famous donation of 2011 is the last year when everything was going well for me.
	Probably because my wife Sarah was turning 33 that year.
	Coincidence?
	I think not.
	That year things were going so well that when someone called me out as a douche on Twitter...
	My ex-employer de-douched me and had the tweet deleted.
	Little did I know that they had no such right to play with these higher powers only entrusted in the greatest podcast in the universe.
	So as an all-show listener, in other words, he's read everything from show one or heard everything, and never donated anything.
	Probably he's not getting the newsletter.
	I need a de-douching.
	I've enjoyed the years of evolution of the show, and especially with John slowly warming and taking part in what seems mostly Adam's influence on the use of jingles.
	I don't know about that.
	Expletives and musical instruments.
	Rarely.
	And musical instruments.
	I'm the one who got the slide whistle.
	As it is my milfy wife's birthday today, we have that listed.
	Put Sarah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We'd like to give her the gift that keeps giving.
	Don't eat me, Hillary milf karma.
	Don't eat me, Hillary Clinton.
	Milf.
	That's one, mother.
	I'd like to.
	You've got karma.
	So, here's an example of a note you could have just said.
	Hey, I've never donated.
	I'm a douche.
	Here's my donation.
	Here's why it's this number.
	And I'd like you to say hi to my wife.
	No, put her on the birthday list.
	Oh, wait, I have to put her on the birthday list?
	If you put birthday in there, it gets on there 90% of the time.
	But she's not on.
	She should be.
	Well, I don't know.
	He put the logo here.
	Oh, okay.
	All right, so she's on.
	Good.
	Oh, great.
	Read the next one.
	What, I have to read the next one?
	You got the phone ringing.
	Well, but who cares?
	I mean, what is it?
	It's annoying.
	It's annoying.
	Ring and ring.
	Just drive me crazy.
	Patrick Coble.
	Sir Patrick Coble.
	I thought you were going to.
	I thought you were going to.
	Just take it off the hook.
	11-11-11.
	It's just the same.
	I'm making notes on this.
	These are the people that have been calling me two or three times a day.
	It's Sarah from Account Services or now some guy who begins the phone call with, do not hang up.
	What is the first thing you're going to do?
	Hang up!
	Of course!
	Anyway, Coble and Nashville...
	And they'll keep ringing.
	That's the problem.
	Okay, all right.
	Will you just go hanging up?
	Don't answer.
	Just go take the phone off the hook.
	It went off by itself.
	Okay, it was probably me.
	Oh, it's magic.
	Sir Patrick Coble to you.
	The donation is for Sir Joe Cool Designs and his awesome custom No Agenda racing helmet.
	Final wrap for an upcoming track day this weekend.
	I want to make sure we get a karma shot with an LGY for Sir Joe Cool Designs Jim Bob Maggie.
	And Sir Joe Cool Designs.
	Anyway, so give him a karma shot.
	Yay!
	You've got karma.
	Uh-oh.
	Tough one.
	Chunchia.
	Wang.
	Chunchia, I think.
	Kansas City.
	X is usually pronounced S-H. Kansas City, Kansas.
	100.
	In the morning from Manchuria.
	Hmm.
	I don't know.
	Hopefully some karma will lead to success in our efforts to improve our economic situation.
	Only can improve at this point.
	Well, let's help you with that then.
	You've got karma.
	Zachary Stager, Troy, Ohio.
	Pleased to see this newsletter about altering the donation segment.
	Its length has been bothering me for some time.
	I enjoy hearing the occasional funny story or tidbit of regional information from the producers, but playing jingles over and over and over again is becoming stale and taking up time.
	Thanks, Zach.
	Yeah, right on, Zach.
	Thank you.
	Note.
	Raymond Williams with no comment from Lafayette, Louisiana.
	$100.
	Adrian Vernoy.
	Vernoy.
	Vernoy.
	Adrian Vernoy.
	Meppel.
	Thank you for the...
	Holland, of course.
	Thank you for the work you put in every week.
	Much appreciated.
	Could I please get a karma shot for my family and friends?
	Yes, absolutely.
	That's a great note, Adrian.
	Thank you.
	You've got karma.
	Heather Aronson in San Francisco.
	And Heather obviously didn't get the email.
	Warning, drunk donations.
	John stopped bellyaching about Microsoft and the effin' ribbon.
	I'm a PowerPoint designer and I do that, by the way.
	I complain endlessly about the ribbon.
	I'm a PowerPoint designer from last year.
	My company switched from 2003 to 2010, and I learned that shit in less than 36 hours.
	Wait a minute.
	It took you 36 hours?
	To learn how to use the ribbon?
	Holy crap.
	And you think that's good?
	I don't even know what the ribbon is.
	It's a new interface that they put in.
	I don't know.
	It's got a bunch of crap across the top that you can't figure out.
	Here's $100.
	I'm going to take 45 minutes off and learn it.
	It's going to take me 36 hours.
	I'm using it now.
	Anyway, she says, shut up already.
	I'm drunk on a small batch of quadruples distilled vodka from London while cooking my vegan dinner.
	Shit, I think I'm a hipster.
	Anyway, you know it's all in love.
	Shoot me some karma, bitches.
	Here's some bitch karma.
	You've got karma.
	They're drinking straight up vodka.
	By the way, Pabst, Jonathan Bingham, new provider, New Jersey.
	Sorry, my first donation.
	Hold on a second.
	That's New Providence, new provider.
	All I see on here is new provider.
	Is this the ribbon?
	I'm using open office.
	It seems fine on my open office.
	Oh, I see it.
	And I also know there's no new provider in New Jersey.
	That does do it.
	I like new providers.
	You got that N right in half, which my spreadsheet did.
	It says new providers.
	That made sense.
	This is a medical village.
	New provider in New Jersey.
	Very nice.
	Sorry my first donation took so long.
	Last Sunday's show was terrific.
	And after listening to Adam go on and on and on and on...
	It doesn't say that.
	It doesn't say that.
	See, there you go.
	This is just proof positive.
	I can no longer continue to be a douchebag who listens but doesn't donate.
	The donation makes up for the time I've been listening, and I'm signing up later today for a monthly subscription going to cancel a premium cable channel that I hardly ever watch.
	Everyone should do that, by the way.
	And realize I'd rather have my money going to people who add value for value and report on what matters.
	Wish this donation could be more, blah, blah, blah.
	He needs a de-douching and some job karma and a little girl yay.
	So you're actually editing on the fly.
	Interesting.
	You've been de-douched.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs.
	Interesting.
	Interesting.
	He does give us a plug.
	He says if you go to Starbucks once a day for a week, you're spending $40 a month on crap that you won't miss.
	$40 a month?
	Wow.
	Is that what people spend on Starbucks?
	Have you been to Starbucks recently?
	No, I try to avoid it.
	It's like $5 for a cup of five-cent coffee.
	We go to Joe's here.
	Joe's on South Congress.
	Joe's.
	Alright, somebody who doesn't want his name mentioned from Broadlands, Virginia.
	Gee, I wonder why.
	Ecuador Eric will suffice.
	Hail Adnan and Job.
	For la manana and thank you for what is truly El Mejor podcast on El Universo.
	I've been listening since last June when Jack Blood kindly hit me in the mouth and recommended your show.
	Adam's recent plea for support finally made me pull the trigger and decided to donate this meager amount of $99.99.
	Which you might want to play the thing for.
	However, more donations will follow.
	He goes on.
	And he would like a science is in science and shut up already at science.
	Karma?
	I'm not seeing karma listed.
	Science is in!
	Science!
	Science!
	You've got karma.
	And now we got 8888 from Jeremy Johnson in Port Angeles, Washington.
	Producers between 50 and 60 should get a jingle, maybe karma, with Biff, Mabel, or Jose selecting comments as they see fit.
	All right.
	Comments cost $70 or above.
	Birthday requests also acceptable.
	Thanks for the show.
	Hot Pockets, please.
	Hot Pockets!
	Now that's how a note should go.
	John Vale in Pennsburg, Pennsylvania.
	Thanks for the best podcast in the universe.
	Can I get a general karma shot, please?
	Absolutely.
	You've got karma.
	Please, and this is Yokohama Anonymous, 75.
	Please invoke the spirits of Job Karma on my behalf.
	The Shintu Charm in your hand.
	He sent a Shintu Charm from the Kanda Moyen Shrine, Mayogen Shrine, located just a stone's throw from Akihabara, which is the place where all the electronics are sold.
	This paper charm wards off software viruses and hardware gremlins.
	According to one of the priests, the charm must be hung in a place that is easy for the spirits to see.
	Basically, keeping it on your desk voids the warranty.
	I have called upon Myogen, the protector deity, to look after the No Agenda show.
	In return, I hope that you use your sway with the gods of fortune on my behalf.
	I think that was really nice, whatever Anonymous did, but I don't understand.
	Here's the problem with this.
	He sent this little card.
	It's got these three items that are kind of pushed into little holding areas.
	I don't know.
	You're supposed to hang the three items up, the whole card.
	There's no instructions on usage.
	I didn't understand that there was some physical object that came along.
	It came in the mail.
	It was like a card.
	And it's got these three things in the card.
	And it's all in Japanese.
	And it's got...
	I don't know.
	I'm not sure what to do with it.
	So he's going to have to send another note or email us.
	Dr.
	Neninger, of course.
	Sir Neninger in Port Jefferson, New York.
	$75.
	Value for value.
	The last show was the best ever.
	Okay.
	Really?
	Really?
	To him.
	Oh, okay.
	Valiantese, shut up and more karma.
	Thanks.
	Shut up, slave.
	I'd seek the scoundrel.
	You've got karma.
	I'm Gil Wright in Waco, Texas, 70, to commemorate the 70th birthday of my smoking hot girlfriend, Nancy, on the 20th.
	Okay.
	He sent a picture.
	Oh, what?
	He sent a picture?
	Came in the mail.
	Came in the mail.
	And?
	She looks better than I do at my age.
	If I look as good as her at 70, I'd go there now.
	So she's smoking hot.
	Wait a minute.
	This is an old one.
	This is from last week.
	Yeah, but this just came in the mail like yesterday.
	Interesting.
	So I think he sent a note on email and somehow...
	Oh, okay.
	I got it.
	You have the picture.
	But now we have honey.
	Sergei Kuznetsov.
	Kuznetsov.
	Sergei Kuznetsov.
	Maybe.
	Ladera Branch, California.
	Thanks for the best podcast in the universe.
	Love to hear your analysis of the Orange County shooting, which started next door to my house.
	I don't know anything about the...
	Some information and we'll do an analysis.
	Orange County.
	We live next to the place.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, really, why don't you do the analysis and help us out?
	Yeah, geez.
	What happened next door, honey?
	I don't know.
	I'll wait for the Noah Jennings show to find out.
	It doesn't make any sense.
	I got pulled over for speeding.
	What's that about?
	I don't know.
	Maybe Adam and John can help.
	What are we, like superheroes?
	Hold on a second, John.
	I think there's something we need to go check out.
	Jingle.
	Jingle.
	69, 69.
	Oh, is it that time again?
	All right.
	Well, this one I always enjoy doing.
	Hold on a second.
	I'm sorry.
	I wasn't quite ready for you.
	Here we go.
	69, 69, dudes!
	Kimberly Lewis in Davis, California, sending a little love to you and my smoking hot hubby, Al Nonimus, who's just had another birthday on the 20th and says he's been a very naughty boy.
	I'm requesting a Parliament mumble whoop it with the Constitution little girl yay karma.
	And the karma goes to us for continuing the best podcast in the universe.
	Okay.
	Get out there!
	Whoopin' whoopin' whoopin' whoopin' whoopin' whoopin' whoopin' whoopin' with the Constitution!
	Wow!
	You've got karma.
	The other six answers now for Sir Papa Guido.
	Sorry to the now former Sir tallest knight.
	I am 6'7".
	There you go.
	And must not be the tallest of our ranks.
	I can try to end the discussion and hit my seven foot tall cousin in the mouth and begin working on his knighthood.
	Wish me luck with that.
	J.C.D. Obey, L.G.Y. and a huntsman who just lost his sister to a heroin overdose.
	That sucks.
	Is that...
	But that's...
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	What is it?
	JCD obey...
	LGY huntsman.
	You will obey.
	Why?
	I'll throw in a karma for good measure.
	You've got karma.
	Well, that's no good.
	No, it's no good.
	I mean, overdosing on heroin, that's like, not a lot of people do that anymore.
	I don't know.
	It's weird.
	Daniel Miller, Knoxville, Tennessee.
	Please thank my friend Matthew for recently hitting me in the mouth.
	The best podcast in the universe is like a mac and cheese karma for my birthday this weekend.
	It's so popular.
	You slaves can get used to mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	Edward Hulsey in San Francisco.
	No karma, just a C-SPAN jingle.
	It's what we do.
	It's what we do so you don't have to.
	C-spin.
	Matthew Chang in San Francisco.
	ITM gents, here's my submission for Biff's new Austin residence, FOB mofo, a.k.a.
	forward-based operating motherfucker.
	Whether or not the name sticks, I'd like Biff to say in announcer voice, forward...
	Say it.
	Hold on, I gotta do that.
	Forward operating base motherfucker.
	Oh, wait a minute.
	It says it's followed by an LGY and a Karma.
	You didn't tell me all that.
	Ugh.
	Okay, I'll do it again then.
	Damn.
	Forward operating base, motherfucker.
	Yay!
	You've got karma.
	Crunch.
	Ivan Rativi with an arrow in his name, apparently, on my thing.
	Brivi.
	Brivi.
	In Castel Camo someplace or other.
	Where is he from?
	He's from Croatia.
	Oh, okay.
	Gitmo Nation of Red Checkerboard.
	He probably reads Bug Magazine.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm sorry.
	John writes a column for a Croatian magazine, everybody.
	Hey, Adam C. Dvorak and John Kersney.
	Greetings from Gitmo Nation of Red Checkerboard.
	Mr.
	Brevich, very, very long-time boner, first-time donor.
	Please can Pope Dvorak grant me a 1D douche?
	I am briefly in Gitmo Nation lowlands, Broken Dam, and I have trouble finding Dutch people over here.
	Calling my friend Lazarus a douchebag until he donates.
	Douchebag!
	Need karma for my new job on my birthday on the 21st.
	Fluoride in my water, best podcast in the universe.
	He says fluoride in my cup is what he says.
	Well, yes.
	Yeah, okay.
	The best part of waking up is fluoride in my cup.
	The best podcast in the universe.
	You've been de-douched.
	Now, this is a reminder of everybody who's going to donate on the Sunday show.
	Get these crazy call-outs in.
	They may be gone forever.
	You are such a whore.
	You are the worst.
	That's right.
	They're going away.
	It's just a thought.
	You know, we're going to stop doing these and now is the time to donate.
	Yeah, we're going to end it.
	That's right.
	Now is the time to get it.
	It's going to be like a two-hour donation segment.
	The whole point is to cut this down, people.
	Sir Roll SK in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, the Paris of Canada.
	Sir Roll here again for another Swazil Nuff.
	This time I'd like to dedicate this donation to my wonderful sister Mara.
	You know he incorrectly as tight and...
	You know him incorrectly as...
	What?
	I don't know.
	You know her?
	I don't know what he's trying to say.
	She's tight and in the chat room.
	You dirty old men need to be corrected.
	Her chat room name is tight and tightened.
	It's pronounced tainted.
	Tainted.
	It creeps me the hell out to hear Adam call her tight end.
	Well, I've seen a picture of her welding.
	Yeah?
	Yeah, she looks hot.
	Tight end welding.
	She's a wonderful sister.
	I want to wish her a wonderful 35th.
	Well, of course, no one wants to think about a dude thinking sexually about your sister.
	Duh.
	But deal with it.
	Congratulations on recent achievements, Mara.
	I'm very proud.
	Now go get your welding red seal, dammit.
	Send her a mac and cheese.
	Why do people like this mac and cheese thing?
	Because it's long.
	Don't eat me, Hillary.
	It's like...
	Why?
	You slaves can get used to mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	Macaroni and cheese.
	Cheddar melted together.
	Mac and cheese, mac and cheese, mac and cheese.
	Shut up already!
	Oops.
	Science!
	Sorry, wrong one.
	How did...
	Kiki's taken over!
	I didn't mean that one.
	I don't know what she means by women and whatever.
	Can you eat me, Hillary Clinton?
	I don't know about girls and women.
	I don't know.
	Is that a clip that you had?
	It's the end of the segment.
	We'll leave it at that.
	69, 69.
	Jingle.
	69!
	69, dudes!
	Poor guy out.
	Adam Daly and Raymond Main.
	Wow.
	63, 71.
	Drunk donation homebrew.
	Just heard your discussion of Velveeta and thought it was hilarious.
	Can I say something?
	I do like your drunk donation reading.
	I mean, is there a reason you've stopped doing this now?
	I'm editing it out.
	Oh, okay.
	I can do it.
	I just heard your discussion of Velveeta and thought it was hilarious.
	I had the same thought when I saw the commercial and was wondering if you would mention it.
	That's why I made the effort to donate at 2.40 a.m.
	I eat mac and cheese made with Greer, and it is delicious.
	What?!
	Donate more often, but look at how much I make a month.
	Great hair.
	Hope you win.
	Folder.
	Thank you.
	You guys seem more drunk than the...
	I think you...
	This sounded pretty drunk.
	You sounded like he was really drunk.
	He sounded kind of drunk.
	It didn't make any sense.
	DeGalien Steven, or Steven DeGalien, I would assume, in Manly, New South Wales.
	Love you guys.
	I've been listening to the show for years and have yet to donate.
	My lovely and hot girlfriend, Laura, send pic to Adam.
	The Korean princess has had a tough time with the douchebag of a bitch boss and quit her job, her first job as a lawyer.
	Wow.
	My girlfriend is the best and I wish her all the best at finding a job that allows her to express herself honestly and be a happy chappy, happy chappy and hopefully she'll stop breaking my balls.
	Talks about the breaking balls part.
	Keep up the good work, fellas.
	Big hugs.
	Could I get a karma for Laura and a sexy message from Adam?
	Really?
	If possible.
	Okay.
	Hey, Laura.
	This is Adam.
	You sexy bitch.
	Send me a picture.
	Do you think that's what Steve wanted?
	I don't know.
	I don't think so.
	It's good enough for me.
	Yeah.
	And a karma.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I didn't realize it was a karma.
	Yes, you're right.
	Job karma.
	You've got karma.
	Christina Norman in Los Angeles, California, 5511.
	My husband is doing his Canadian citizenship exam.
	Why?
	Can I get some Don't Eat Me Hillary Clinton, two to the head, almost too delicious karma for him?
	I'm also glad Alphonse and Magdalene are back safe and sound in Austin.
	Don't eat me!
	Eat me, Hillary Clinton!
	It's almost too delicious to believe, my friend.
	You've got karma.
	And we're happy to be back in Austin as well.
	Keller, Texas, double nickels on the dime.
	I haven't been a complete boner, but it has been too long since the last donation.
	This is in favor of the continued use of the end of show clip.
	And because I thought the master baits joke from John was hilarious on Sunday.
	Ta-da!
	I also appreciate that you two are able to run an independent show on politics, which is not bash on Christians.
	Such shows have been hard to come by.
	Adam, I request a mac and cheese, planes good, trains bad, as that meme has cropped up again here in the Fort Worth area.
	What's up with...
	Really?
	Independent shows that don't make fun of Christians?
	I don't understand.
	What does that mean?
	I don't know.
	I had no idea.
	Independent shows, we make fun of all religions.
	I think we do a pretty...
	You know what, John?
	I think we need to up our Christian bashing.
	I don't know that it's not deconstructing the...
	Here's the deal.
	I'll tell you this, Robert.
	It's not deconstructing to news to just gratuitously bash Christians or Catholics or the Scientologists for that matter, or the Mormons.
	It's just got nothing to do with what we do.
	I mean, we can go bash Christians in our own time.
	Yeah, I'll call you later.
	Yeah, call me up and say, no, I... These Christians, these Christians, I tell ya.
	You slaves can get used to mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	All aboard.
	Trains good.
	Planes bad.
	Woo-hoo!
	What's he talking about?
	You gonna run a high-speed rail or something from Fort Worth to Dallas?
	That'd be funny.
	Now, here's an example from Eric in Athens, Georgia, which I just think is too much.
	Eric Lyons in Athens, Georgia, double nickels on the dime.
	Long note.
	Want to request some job karma for me and my girlfriend from the second year of the law school at UGA. I'm looking for a legal internship, and she's looking for a full-time teaching job.
	Needs a dedouching since I haven't donated in two years.
	Can I get a Pelosi jobs, jobs, jobs karma, and mac and cheese?
	What is with the mac and cheese?
	It says this doesn't have to be read on the air.
	Oh, well, that's kind of cool.
	But he wants a de-douche in karma, mac and cheese, and what else?
	Jobs, jobs, jobs.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've been de-douched.
	You slaves can get used to mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	Yeah, I'm tired of it too.
	Oh, I have an idea.
	You've got karma.
	Mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	What's your idea?
	The idea is to have a counter.
	So after we get to X number of plays of mac and cheese, it gets retired.
	Its number gets retired.
	It gets to be hung from the ceiling of the auditorium.
	That would keep that one out of the...
	Because it gets a little old to hear it over and over again.
	By the way, he says karma got him in the UGA. Anonymous in Leachburg, Pennsylvania, double nickels on the dime.
	He'll take Dr.
	Kiki, two to the head.
	Karma.
	I would love to have a real Dr.
	Kiki, two to the head.
	Wouldn't it be cool if she just came in and just, like, double tapped you?
	You know what I'm saying?
	Shut up already!
	Science!
	Oh, karma.
	Sorry.
	Oh, God.
	Yeah, well.
	You've got karma.
	Christopher Walker in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
	55 of 10.
	In the morning, thank you both for broadcasting the best podcast in the universe.
	I've been listening with fervor since last fall.
	Please give me a dedouching since this is my first donation.
	I love your value for value model.
	Too bad.
	All I have to give you in trade are some rotten Federal Reserve notes.
	May I have an Atlas Shrugged and a Karma Shot, please?
	You've been dedouched.
	By Ayn Rand.
	You've got karma.
	Now, that was tight, I'll have to say.
	Eric Veet in Dublin, California, just down the street from me, 50, have no note.
	Royce Kami in Aiea, Hawaii, Hawaii, or Hawaii.
	Really ask for help on this type of situation.
	My dear friends at Jabroni Pictures are within the 11th hour of their Indiegogo campaign.
	Their movie project is called Battle Hero Absolute, a complete series.
	And I deeply appreciate any donations, if possible.
	Even the slightest gesture of spreading the word on their campaign would be much appreciated.
	The link to Indiegogo.
	Look it up.
	You can look it up on the Google.
	He needs a karma shot to Jabroni Pictures.
	Indiegogo.com slash Battle Hero Absolute, I guess.
	You've got karma.
	And, whoops, I just cleared the screen the wrong way.
	Sarah Davidge.
	In La Jolla, California, 50.
	Been listening to you both since 2008.
	Love you guys, but sorry to call you out as douchebags for bickering and fighting so much on the show recently.
	Please apologize to each other right now.
	You know you have mad love for each other.
	You first.
	I'm sorry that I called you a douchebag for not knowing anything about hipsters.
	I'm sorry that I got all huffy and puffy.
	For no good reason.
	Sorry I acted all whiny.
	Are we done?
	No, we've got Simon Horne and Karen Dale Queensland and Kyle Bauer in Worcester, Ohio, both coming in with $50, and I'd love to just be able to wrap off all the $50 to $100 people just like that.
	But we'll decide in the weeks ahead, and so you might as well take advantage of the short opportunity you have.
	Whatever you put in there, we're going to read it for a while, and then it's done.
	I do like the idea of retiring certain things after a while, but I'm going to put a number on them.
	So like mac and cheese, that's a $100 retiring thing, and you have like 10 more plays, and that's it.
	We're done.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Something like that.
	But also, that sounds like a lot of work.
	I've got to remember.
	We've got to do accounting.
	Accounting.
	Now we have to do bookkeeping on our own jingles.
	You've got to do bookkeeping on the jingles.
	I don't think I can handle that.
	It's too much for me.
	Smoke comes out of my ears now.
	It's just like, ah, what are we doing, people?
	You should be able to do it on the computer.
	Every time you play it, it should trigger a program, a subroutine that just counts.
	Oh yes, a subroutine.
	Should I write that in DOS? What was that OS2 language that I like so much?
	Remember that?
	Yeah, I remember that.
	What was that?
	Actually, I could write a little bit in that.
	What was that OS? What was that?
	Rex.
	Somebody had all the OS2 disks and you had to, like, load it up.
	And then after you're done, you're like, oh, wow, now I've got OS2 loaded on my machine.
	And it would run, like, half as fast as DOS. It was such a piece of crap.
	Didn't you write a book about it?
	Yeah, it was a good product.
	It was much better than Windows at the time.
	Well, it was the right idea, but we didn't have the horsepower at the time.
	They did multitasking.
	That's right.
	Multitasking, that's right.
	That was the main thing they had done right.
	That's right.
	My experience with OSU is I had it for a while.
	I wrote the book and I did all these other things.
	And then at some point...
	Wrecked.
	No Agenda Show, the best podcast in the universe, runs exclusively on Rex.
	So here's what happened with me and my experience with OS2. I had crashed the system about a year earlier.
	Something happened and it was in the middle of an install or something and it just had to be wiped and it took me days to get the machine back on track.
	And you're the guy that wrote the book.
	Yeah.
	And so then there was another incident like that.
	It happened again, but it was like a year later, but it was so painful, I just stopped right there.
	I never ran OS2 a day after that.
	And it had kind of like Unix-y type things, and you could take a command, you can compile it into like a little app, if I recall?
	I don't remember any of that stuff anymore.
	Decades ago.
	It's a long time ago.
	All right, people.
	Thank you very much for supporting our Value for Value model.
	Thank you for all of your feedback.
	It has been enjoyable to see that people are thinking about it and trying to help us make the show better.
	That's why we call you producers, not listeners.
	Go to...
	And, of course, we always like to celebrate...
	Mike Amalewski says happy birthday to his wife Sarah Alexander.
	Ecuador Eric congratulates himself turning 33 to magic number.
	Tom Kilbride says happy birthday to his girlfriend Nancy.
	It was her birthday yesterday.
	Also yesterday, Kimberly Lewis' husband celebrated.
	And Daniel Miller congratulates himself along with Ivan Britvi congratulating himself for his birthday today, the 21st.
	And SirRoleSK in the chat room says happy birthday to his sister Mara.
	She turns 35 on the 27th.
	And boy, she's got a tight end.
	He's going to hate me for that.
	No nights?
	No, no, no.
	No nights.
	He's going to hate you for that.
	He won't hate you.
	The brother will.
	Oops.
	Oops.
	That was fun.
	I do have one off-the-wall clip I want to start the second segment with.
	More off-the-wall than Larry Sinclair?
	No, but that was poignant.
	This is a clip from a woman who wrote a book on Coolidge, and this is the way it was in the United States before the security state was instituted by Truman, as we discussed in a previous show, leading us to the kind of crazy country we are now.
	But just play the Coolidge clip and tell me why this can't happen again.
	The single thing that Coolidge did that we want to remember is that when he left office...
	The budget was lower than when he came in.
	That's the story for us now in a period where we're concerned.
	Well, how did he do that?
	The economy grew a lot, maybe more than 3% sometimes.
	Unemployment was below 5%.
	The budget was balanced due to his own parsimony.
	How did he manage, though, to make the budget go lower?
	And how did that help the economy?
	A lot, because he got the government out of the way of the economy.
	So first of all, that's Dr.
	Kiki.
	Listen, listen.
	Because he got the government out of the way.
	Shut up already.
	Science.
	It's Dr.
	Kiki, I'm telling you.
	He's got a little more trouble.
	Yeah.
	So, this is like a Republican clip.
	It's not a Republican clip, it's a Coolidge clip.
	Yeah, wasn't he a Republican?
	Yeah, but he could have been Democrat.
	No, but he wasn't.
	I just wanted to play the clip.
	Well...
	Did you look at the Mandiant's APT1 report?
	No, you didn't, did you?
	What?
	Okay, so you heard about this thing.
	What's it called again?
	The Mandiant?
	So Mandiant is the name of the company that was originally hired by the New York Times after they got hacked.
	Remember?
	Oh, right, right, right.
	This was only two weeks ago.
	Right.
	And so the New York Times got hacked.
	I guess the Chinese were so interested in their bogative news.
	Hey, let's see what lies the New York Times is going to print.
	Oh, we can steal them.
	And then the New York Times said, oh, we've been hacked.
	It was right in time, by the way, for the big push for the cybersecurity executive order.
	Coincidences just abound.
	It's really, really interesting how that works.
	And so now, I guess they fired them.
	Mandiant?
	Yeah, because they say that...
	So the New York Times then published this huge article about the report that Mandiant has published that China...
	Is cyber-attacking us continuously?
	And the New York Times says, specifically, we have no current business relationship with Mandiant, but we might in the future.
	Yeah, I'll bet.
	So they had hired them after their hack...
	Then they fired them, published about their huge China report, and they might work with them again in the future.
	Shame on you New York Times.
	That sounds like a scam.
	In other words, here's the way I would say it.
	They were working for them and then they fired them and then they wrote about them.
	Hey, we think of this and that.
	And then they hired them back because they didn't want to be writing about them while they were working together.
	That's pretty much...
	You know, don't even try to pull that stunt.
	Just put a little disclaimer in the article.
	We use their product.
	Right.
	That's what they should have done.
	So Mandiant is...
	Do you know anything about this company, Mandiant?
	Looking at them now, you know, I'm pretty...
	I keep up with this stuff.
	But no, that bothers me.
	So Mandiant was founded by...
	A guy named Mandia, I think.
	Seriously.
	It sounds crazy, but let me see.
	I have the leadership here.
	Hold on.
	And this company, if you look at the board, it is filled with consultancies, you know, guys from, you know, big consulting firms, banking firms, of course, you know, Kleiner Perkins, everybody's on the board, everybody's in.
	So this is kind of the go-to company, which are Kevin Mandia, that's the guy, founder and chief executive officer of Mandiant.
	Kevin founded Mandiant to focus on helping organizations detect, respond, and contain computer intrusions, making Mandiant the first company with incident response at its core competence.
	He has spent over 20 years in information security.
	Look at his list of these leadership pages.
	It's a who's who.
	Well, I don't know about that.
	It is.
	It's perfect.
	This is the board you want.
	These are the leaders you want.
	And so they came up with this report, which everyone talks about, but I never read about anyone actually getting the report and looking at it.
	And what are they really saying?
	So it's called Mandiant APT-1, exposing one of China's cyber espionage units.
	And APT, you know what that stands for, I presume, John.
	I do know what it stands for.
	It's not coming to me.
	Advanced Persistent Threat.
	Yeah, okay.
	APT1, Advanced Persistent Threat, everybody.
	That's what it's all about.
	What are these people charging to do what they don't manage to do?
	So they have this whole executive summary about this building that they say is filled with China's Hacking America.
	Yeah, they have a building.
	It's in Shanghai, I believe.
	And they've had it on the news the last week, and they keep...
	They say it's the Army's secret building.
	It's the Army.
	It's the Chinese Army that's doing this.
	They say it's the People's Liberation Army, and this is Unit 61398.
	Now, what's interesting is right off the bat in this report, which I have here in front of me, and of course, as usual, it's marked up in the PDF in the show notes, 489.nashownotes.com.
	Under the executive summary, it says in a little asterisk...
	Our conclusions are based exclusively on unclassified open-source information derived from Mandiant observations.
	None of the information in this report involves access to or confirmation by classified intelligence.
	That kind of tipped me off to the fact that they've really got nothing here in this 28-page report.
	However, I will read a few highlights.
	We estimate that Unit 61398 is staffed by hundreds and perhaps thousands of people based on the size of Unit 61398's physical infrastructure.
	So they look at the building on a satellite photo, and from that they have...
	Google Earth.
	Yes, and they have...
	And literally, they pasted the pictures from Google Earth in the report.
	That probably looks official to some idiot at the New York Times.
	Sorry?
	What's the building number again?
	61398?
	Unit 61398.
	APT1 focuses on compromising organizations across a broad range of industries in English-speaking countries.
	So they say that this APT1, Advanced Persistent Threat 1, which is what the team they're calling, their targets match industries that China has identified as strategic to their growth, including four of the seven strategic emerging industries that China identified in its 12th five-year plan.
	So that's really stretching here.
	So now what they've done is they've looked at fully qualified domain names.
	I mean, this is so funny.
	In the last three years, we have observed APT1 used fully qualified domain names resolving to 988 unique IP addresses.
	So what?
	And that 832 different IP addresses were used with remote desktop.
	So now they're telling us that these hackers, these elite Chinese hackers, are using remote desktop.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that is how most hackers go about it.
	Not.
	Then they say, more proof that it's the Chiners is that we've concluded attacks under our observation the APT1 operator's keyboard layout setting was Chinese simplified.
	Therefore, it must be Chiners.
	And they're using the HTRAN tool.
	Let me tell you.
	Do you know what the HTRAN tool is, John?
	No, no, I don't.
	It's the HUC packet transmit tool.
	It's like a reverse proxy kind of thing.
	It's like every script kitty in the world knows how to use this.
	And this is not unique to China's.
	And if they're using it, they could be reverse proxying to make it look like they're from China.
	I mean, this is no proof.
	But here's the funny thing.
	In an effort to underscore that there are actual individuals behind the keyboard, Mandiant is revealing three personas associated with advanced persistent threat number one activity.
	Are you ready for the three personas?
	Their proof?
	Number one, the first persona, Ugly Gorilla, has been active in computer network operations since October 2004.
	His activities include registering domains attributed to APT1 and authoring malware used in APT1 campaigns.
	Ugly Gorilla publicly expressed his interest in China's cyber troops in January 2004.
	I mean, are these people for real?
	The second persona, an actor we call Dota, D-O-T-A, has registered dozens of email accounts used to conduct social engineering and spear phishing attacks.
	Dota used a Shanghai phone number while registering these accounts.
	Oh, that's proof there, Mandiant.
	And the third persona, here's where they go off the rails, who uses the nickname Superhard.
	The New York Times, why didn't they publish this?
	I don't know.
	It sounds like they were buffaloed by the whole thing.
	Who's the byline on that article?
	This is not an article.
	I'm reading the report.
	Oh, okay.
	This is the report.
	Let me see who wrote the article.
	So the third persona who uses the nickname Superhard is the creator of a significant contributor to the Ariga and Bangat malware families.
	Superhard discloses his location to be the Pudong New Area of Shanghai.
	So they have no proof here.
	They just have hearsay, basically.
	And like, why are we exposing APT1? Well, it's time to acknowledge the threat is originating in China.
	And we wanted to do our part to arm and prepare security professionals to combat that threat effectively.
	The issue of attribution has always been a missing link in publicly understanding the landscape of advanced persistent threat cyber espionage.
	Without establishing a solid connection to China, there will always be room for observers to dismiss APT actions as uncoordinated, solely criminal in nature, or peripheral to larger national security and global economic concerns.
	We hope that this report will lead to increased understanding and coordinated action in countering APT network breaches and make us rich beyond our wildest dream, bitches!
	This is a sales pitch.
	Of course.
	But they're saying it.
	Well, it's because everybody's kind of like, oh, whatever.
	I mean, it's like, maybe we need to hire these guys because they can save our company.
	People are hacking us.
	What are we doing about it?
	I mean, if you have, of course, good people working on your staff, they would see right through this crap.
	Right.
	It's sad.
	If you've got sensitive information, don't put it on the internet.
	Don't connect your networks.
	This is not brain surgery.
	The whole, like, whoa, we're so freaked out, we're so afraid.
	Also, there's a thing called encryption.
	Yeah, no, they're not going to sell you any encryption.
	That would be wrong.
	You encrypt the crap out of something and you leave it in a file.
	Yeah, sure, take it.
	You can get beyond the ability.
	It takes years to crack some of these things.
	Did you see the Chinese animated...
	What are those guys?
	The New Tech or whatever who make the little funny animations?
	No.
	So you know the ones I'm talking about, right?
	Yeah, I know what you're talking about, but I haven't seen it.
	So they have like a Chinese hacker flying through the network into Coca-Cola, and then he gets from a virtual file, he gets the Coca-Cola secret formula, and he opens it up and it says, Coca-Cola secret formula, water plus sugar plus commercials.
	That is the secret formula.
	You got it.
	That is exactly the secret formula.
	Anyway, identifying the APT1 nicknames in the news.
	The Chinese, I love how they have all these Chinese nicknames like Super Hard, Comment Crew, Comment Group, Shady Rat, Nitro Attacks, Elderwood.
	Yeah, those are all very Chinese-y.
	Aurora, Night Dragon.
	Yes, Night Dragon.
	That's the one you've got to be afraid of.
	This is bogus.
	And of course, now what's going to happen is it'll probably become an SEC rule.
	You have to hire a firm.
	It's like the Y2K crap.
	Yeah.
	Remember that?
	Yeah, of course I do.
	I was one of the big naysayers during the Y2K thing.
	And I even had a presentation.
	Which is actually why Y2K will end the Earth as we know it.
	And then I attributed Y2K to causing hurricanes.
	And it was a very funny PowerPoint.
	I should post it somewhere.
	And it was just to mock the whole thing.
	Because it never made any sense.
	I mean, 90% of the work that we do on this show is just looking at something and saying, this doesn't make any sense.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Or as Leo Laporte would say, positive conspiracy theories.
	Conspiracy idiots.
	Anyway, so now, of course, all the news is going to be, yeah, the U.S. is ready to strike back.
	Strike back at the cyber attacks.
	You've got to strike back.
	With the real danger, of course, being what the White House is really doing against the online free radicals.
	That is us, John, and I would like to bring your attention to a blog post on the White House blog of February 5th, 2013.
	Working to counter online radicalization to violence in the United States.
	I'm sure you haven't read this, so I shall...
	Oh, brother.
	Well, there's a new working group, a new interagency working group, the Working Group to Counter Online Radicalization to Violence.
	This is being chaired by the national security staff at the White House and involves specialists in countering violent extremism, Internet safety experts, as, of course, civil liberties and privacy practitioners from across the United States government.
	The working group will be responsible for developing plans to implement an Internet safety approach to address online violent extremism, which you could also confuse with freedom of speech, coordinate the federal government's activities and assessing our progress against these plans, identifying coordinate the federal government's activities and assessing our progress against these plans, identifying additional activities for pursuing, for countering online So I was, of course, reading this.
	I'm like, I'm very interested.
	What kind of groups are violent in their extreme...
	I mean, it's not like online is not coming out and biting you.
	It's not like you plug in your router and then someone comes in and shoots you.
	No, no, no.
	This is violent extremist groups like Al-Qaeda and its affiliates and adherents.
	Here's a new one.
	It's adherents, John.
	Wow, do you hear that?
	Adherent to what?
	Adherent to Al-Qaeda.
	What does that even mean?
	I mean, what are you adhering to?
	To Al-Qaeda.
	You keep saying Al-Qaeda.
	Well, I'm reading the English.
	That, by the way, according to all the experts, Al-Qaeda is dead.
	No, but you can adhere, which I guess means stick to.
	Yeah, me sticks to their principles.
	What is that?
	I don't even know what they stand for.
	They just don't like us.
	Well, you better understand because you're going to be called one.
	You're going to be called an adherent.
	I deny this accusation.
	Violent extremist groups like Al-Qaeda and its affiliates and adherents, violent supremacist groups, and violent sovereign citizens are leveraging online tools and resources to propagate messages of violence and division.
	Oh, wow!
	Division.
	These groups use the internet to disseminate propaganda, identify and groom potential recruits, and supplement their real-world recruitment efforts.
	Some members and supporters of these groups visit mainstream fora to see whether individuals might be recruited or encouraged to commit acts of violence, look for opportunities to draw targets into private exchanges, and exploit popular media like music videos look for opportunities to draw targets into private exchanges, and exploit popular media like
	Although the internet offers countless opportunities for Americans to connect, it has also provided violent extremists with access to new audiences and instruments for radicalization.
	I give us another 14 months before we fall under an adherent category of No, it would be the divisive thing.
	Violent.
	Advising people to complain or something.
	I don't know what it is.
	So they have a link to these sovereign citizens?
	Oh, those guys.
	They're running it for everyone.
	Let me see.
	Today we look at a third threat, the sovereign citizen extremist movement.
	Sovereign citizens are anti-government extremists.
	I'd like to know.
	I want to stop you.
	Anti-government extremists.
	What's an extremist?
	I'm going to tell you.
	I want to know if there's any sovereign citizens in that movement that listen to our show.
	If so, send us a note at any feedback.
	Yeah, raise your hand without talking.
	Without talking.
	Send us a secure note to NAfeedback at Outlook.com and tell us what's going on.
	We'd be interested in finding out.
	Let me just explain what the extremist movement of sovereign citizens are all about, because it's right here on the website.
	Sovereign citizens are anti-government extremists who believe that even though they physically reside in this country, they are separate or sovereign from the United States.
	Oh, my God.
	As a result, they believe they don't have to answer to any government authority, including courts, taxing entities, motor vehicle departments, or law enforcement.
	Shut up, slave!
	This causes all kinds of problems.
	For example, many sovereign citizens don't pay their taxes.
	So if you don't pay your taxes, now you're a sovereign citizen extremist?
	They hold illegal courts that issue warrants for judges and police officers.
	That's manning.
	They clog up the court system with frivolous lawsuits and liens against public officials to harass them.
	And they use fake money, personal checks and the like at government agencies, banks and businesses.
	Oh man, we are so fucked.
	Well, we're not using Bitcoin.
	By the way, I read an article that some French bank is going to recognize Bitcoin and allow you to exchange it for euros.
	Huh.
	Yeah.
	I don't know about this Bitcoin thing.
	I think I have 300 Bitcoin hanging around somewhere.
	You have 300 Bitcoins?
	Yeah, I think that's like $6,000.
	At least.
	You should cash those in at that French bank.
	I'd like to cash it in anywhere.
	Can I get a burger?
	I got some bitcoins.
	If I can get a burger, please.
	Where'd you get all those bitcoins?
	I think I did...
	At one point I said, I'll do a daily source code if you send me bitcoins and I can then buy something with a bitcoin member and I was able to buy like a shampoo.
	Huh.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, let me just wrap it up here.
	I've got some stuff for you.
	Before you do that, I do have Nigel Farage.
	Oh!
	You don't have to ask.
	He's bitching about something I didn't hear him bitch about before.
	But I guess England is preparing to be inundated with Bulgarians.
	Yes.
	No thanks to the EU. You know about this?
	Yes, I do.
	And they were actually creating commercials, I think, that said...
	300 bitcoins.
	Stop the presses.
	Buzzkill Jr.
	ran in.
	300 bitcoins is now worth $9,000.
	How do I get the $9,000?
	I got the bitcoins, but how do I get the money now?
	I'm just telling you what it's worth.
	Great.
	Can I get a blowjob?
	I'll give you 300...
	No, no, no.
	If they're worth 9,000 bucks, give them to the French bank and then cash them out.
	I will give...
	If anyone comes here and blows me right now in the next hour, I'll give you my 300 bitcoins.
	We're going to end up giving him the mickey.
	Well, good morning.
	The highlight today of this debate was the Liberal leader, Mr Verhofstadt, comparing the seven-year EU economic plan with the Soviet Union's five-year economic plan.
	And it was said without any sense of irony at all, which I thought was delicious.
	What does the leaders meet tomorrow to discuss this budget?
	What a curious position David Cameron finds himself in.
	He made the big speech.
	He talked about a referendum in the future.
	And yet he's been criticised at home for making us wait perhaps up to five years before we can have our say.
	Most people doubt his Eurosceptic sincerity.
	Indeed, he emphasised in that speech how pro-European Union he is.
	And yet...
	Here, today, he's met with sort of venomous attacks, as if he's some terrible wrecker.
	I would have thought his chances of renegotiating very much look pretty limited.
	So I feel a bit sorry for him, because he's like piggy in the middle.
	And you all remember from childhood what a frustrating and difficult place that is to be.
	But he's made the speech.
	And we're going to have a proper debate in Britain about EU membership.
	But it's a debate that's changing.
	You see, the budget is not our top-line issue.
	We pay in £53 million a day, and whether that goes up to £60 million or not, many of us are saying, why pay in a penny piece?
	Mr Barroso's idea that a pound or a euro spent at European level is worth more than a pound or euro spent at national level.
	You know, perhaps you've invented nuclear money.
	I've no idea.
	What perhaps we should recognise is that unemployment is actually being caused by Europe's policies, in particular the mistaken Euro project.
	No, the debate in Britain has changed.
	And now it's about immigration.
	People in Britain are shocked.
	It has changed in every single city and market town since we opened the doors to Eastern Europe in 2004.
	And I have nothing against Bulgarians or Romanians, but it is unacceptable that we should open our doors to them unconditionally from the 1st of January next year.
	And if Mr Cameron does not get a substantial renegotiation of the free movement of peoples, then Britain will leave this union.
	I think the island of England will sink.
	All the Bulgarians show up.
	Well, you know, the whole thing is like, this whole thing, this makes no sense, the EU idea, and they're trying to move people around so much that there's no more national, you know, interest, so you wouldn't, there wouldn't be a, you know, a Brit left on the island, it'd be over here, or Spain, or who knows where.
	And I think it's just, it's just all part of the grand scheme to, like, mix and match to the point where there's no more national, there's no more cultures over there.
	This is the whole idea of the United States of Europe.
	The whole point is to have no borders.
	Of course, England's not a part of the Schengen Agreement, which is a little sub-problem that they have.
	Like states, the United States of Europe.
	You can just go back and forth, travel wherever you want to, plop down.
	There is a problem.
	It's an island.
	You can only fit so many people on this small island.
	It's a lot of people there.
	Already.
	And there's no work.
	It's nuts.
	But I have seen the Brits are making commercials saying, Bulgarians, you'll hate it here.
	Bulgarian.
	Go back to Bulgaria.
	It's better.
	I'm telling you.
	By the way, here's your website.
	MTGox.
	Yeah, I know.
	I'm very familiar with the exchange.
	I had an account on MTGox, or I think it was that or the other, and it got hacked, and then all of a sudden I got all kinds of emails, all kinds of bullshit.
	All right.
	All right.
	That's upset enough.
	Do you trust it?
	We're $39 a piece.
	MTGox.net or.com?
	No, it's just mtgox.com.
	Right.
	And you have to open an account, and I don't know.
	Let me see.
	Trade with confidence.
	Yeah, that makes me feel great.
	So can I get money for this?
	Can I just get money?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Really?
	Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
	Well, then I'm going to get this.
	I'm going to party.
	Yeah, get your nine grand out of the bitcoins and you'll party.
	That's what I say, buy a case of wine.
	All right.
	Meanwhile, here's what the slaves across Gitmo Nation are really interested in.
	While you spent the last two and a half hours listening to the best podcast in the universe.
	It's already changed the way we relate to the Internet.
	Now they want to change the way we interact with the offline world.
	The search engine giant is looking for 8,000 people to test its newest venture, Google Glass.
	The device allows you to snap photos and video using voice commands to the glasses that you wear.
	You can also do Google searches and get directions with the results showing up in the glasses right in front of your eye.
	If you'd like to test the product you have until the end of the month to apply.
	Awesome!
	Um...
	That's cool.
	That's so cool.
	Wow, that's so cool.
	It's just giving people the opportunity to buy the glasses at full retail.
	What kind of a scam is this?
	I like augmented reality.
	I like kind of the idea of additional information.
	But you might as well just put a sign on your forehead, do not have sex with me.
	I'm a douchebag.
	I mean, this is not...
	This is transhumanist bullcrap.
	Become a Google bot.
	Wow.
	And everyone...
	The promotion this company gets for this stuff is unbelievable.
	People say, oh, it's great.
	It's awesome.
	Well, they're too expensive.
	And you're right, they're kind of dumb.
	Meanwhile, this is just the last thing I have.
	You heard of the No Hesitation Targets?
	No, I'm sure you haven't.
	I will.
	So the Department of Homeland Security has a contract with this company who makes something called No Hesitation Targets.
	And the No Hesitation Targets are pictures or targets, essentially.
	You know how you have a target, you can get a silhouette, you can also get a shooting target that is...
	You can get Bin Laden, you have some of the shooting ranges have some funny ones.
	Well, the Department of Homeland Security and several police forces have contracts with this company for the so-called no-hesitation targets.
	We were just wondering if it was true or not.
	We do have targets, yes.
	That no-hesitation target, I'm assuming, that you're speaking of.
	Right, and it has pictures of pregnant ladies and women.
	There's a pregnant woman on there, yes.
	Why is that?
	The targets.
	It's a requested law enforcement target for training.
	Why would the law enforcement have to train to shoot pregnant women Sir, I think you'd have to call your local law enforcement agency to find that out.
	So when you see these targets, John, there's like an old geezer with a shotgun, there's like a young schoolgirl with a Glock.
	Yeah, I know what these are.
	These are those targets that you have these real kind of augmented reality things you walk through and then up pops a pregnant woman and you have like one second to shoot her or not shoot her.
	Yeah, but these all have the pregnant woman with a gun, so you're supposed to shoot her.
	Oh, it's a pregnant woman with a gun?
	Yes!
	Oh, that's great.
	And these are sold to the law enforcement, so it's called no hesitation.
	So you see the pregnant woman, but you see the gun, and you know immediately, I have to shoot the bitch.
	That's pretty funny.
	Hilarious.
	That's like what happened in L.A. where they're trying to track down this character and they shot some poor Mexican house cleaner.
	You know, some woman.
	That looks like Droner, whatever his name was.
	Dorner.
	Dorner.
	It's practicing slave shots.
	Yeah, I guess so.
	They assume everybody's out to shoot them.
	Well, I think it's all...
	We're in a security state.
	This is a terrible police state that we're in.
	It's amusing if you stay out of their way.
	Yeah.
	Stay out of their...
	So what, do I just stay inside with my ham radio?
	Hello, I'm Adam out here in Texas.
	Hello, I have a platinum pass to South By.
	You can't shoot me.
	I got 300 bitcoins.
	I am a sovereign citizen with my bitcoins and my ham radio.
	Come to think of it.
	I'm prime.
	Yeah, you are.
	You're a target.
	You should have a big, hairy dude.
	No hesitation.
	Target.
	All right, people.
	Well, thank you so much for showing up in the chat room in the morning to y'all.
	I highly appreciate your hilarious feedback, as always.
	I've been reading along a little bit.
	And John, thank you.
	And I think that the new system sounds okay.
	We'll tweak it a little bit to make it even better for the upcoming program.
	On the next newsletter, we'll discuss some more things such as the shortening of this segment, but we're not going to do it right away.
	So take advantage of that.
	And also, I will put in the beet soup recipe that I was once famous for.
	Beats soup recipe.
	Make sure you sign up.
	You can find it in the show notes.
	Coming to you from the Travis Heights hideout in Austin, Texas in the morning, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where it's takeout to trash day Thursday.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We will talk to you again on Sunday right here on No Agenda.
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