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	That's our slogan for today, John.
	Eventually, everyone gets tased.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, October 11, 2012.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 451.
	This is No Agenda.
	That's right, 10, 11, 12, the magical 33 on the best podcast in the universe from the capital of the drone, Star State, Austin, Texas.
	And more, everybody, I'm Adam Curran.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I'm opening a new red book, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	Are you telling me that people in Berkeley blow their nose into their sleeve?
	Yeah, that's what they do.
	No.
	Yeah, especially the Berkeley City Council.
	I'm familiar with, obviously.
	With Berkeley City Council?
	No, blowing your nose on your sleeve.
	Oh.
	Well, you know, ever since I stopped smoking, which we're now, we are now into, I don't know, week six?
	I don't have a drippy nose anymore.
	I might have to blow my nose once in the morning, just, you know, just clear it off.
	In the morning?
	Yeah, only in the morning.
	In the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	In the morning to all ships and sea.
	Boots on the ground.
	Feet in the air and subs in the water.
	And all the knights out there.
	Yeah, in the morning to you, too.
	John C. Dvorak and everybody else who's tuning in live to the best podcast in the universe.
	Thank you so much, love.
	Ms.
	Mickey, always.
	You don't have to do the whole bowing thing, though.
	That's a little much.
	I kind of like it, though.
	Could you wear a skirt next time?
	Bim sala bim.
	Bim sala bim.
	Thanks, Lowell.
	Yes, hello to all the human resources in the chat room.
	You know what you can do with yourself.
	Good to see you all charged up and ready to go.
	My name is Adam.
	He's John.
	We are citizens of Gitmo Nation, and we're just as effed as the rest of you.
	Hey, now.
	So I got a new red book, and I want to tell you, I got a little anecdote here.
	So the red books, people want, you know, I've got them on my third, but this will be my last one of this model, unless I can get a hold of Memjet.
	It turns out these red books were given away at a trade show, and I grabbed three of them.
	And that's it, and we've already filled one or two?
	Two.
	Wow.
	This is the third one, and it's Memjet.
	Memjet's a company.
	They had little flyers trapped around this book.
	3,000 patents.
	Memjet is transforming color printing.
	You have to see it to believe it.
	Memjet.
	Anyway, so I don't know if they have any more of these books at Memjet.
	Hey, they got a video on their site.
	Hold on, let's take a look at what they got on their video.
	Memjet printing technology overview.
	It's hard to believe that printer technology hasn't changed in 20 years.
	Yeah?
	Have you seen a 3D printer recently?
	No evolution.
	No breakthroughs.
	No eureka moment.
	No!
	It's time for a change.
	Uh-oh!
	Introducing printers powered by Memjet patented waterfall technology.
	The paper moves under the printhead.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So that's Memjet.
	What?
	Does the paper move under all the print heads?
	It's covered in ink from edge to edge in just one pass.
	Yes, this is real-time printing you're seeing.
	It's kind of cool.
	It looks like a newspaper that's rolling through.
	It doesn't stop.
	It just goes in one go.
	Oh, so it just drops crap on it.
	I should look into this.
	Yeah, you should.
	All right, so Memjet, I guess they don't make the Red Book anymore.
	I don't know where they got them.
	I mean, they obviously had it.
	It's embossed on the outside of the book.
	It says Memjet.
	Think fast.
	But I suspect they were bought as a premium.
	Oh, they were just a premium.
	But wait a minute.
	If you go to noagendination.com, they have red books there for sale.
	I should get some of those.
	Maybe you'll get a discount if you ask Eric nicely.
	Yeah.
	So did you want to put something in?
	It was for about three months.
	Were you going to put something into the Red Book or did you have something to say?
	Yeah, I start off by putting the date.
	Yes.
	And then I take notes during the show and write down any predictions that either one of us make.
	And how have we done on our previous two books?
	We've probably...
	I've noticed that what we do, which I think is a drawback, is we are like...
	What's it called?
	Front-running.
	We're front-running the news by about a month.
	A month.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I agree.
	And then about a month later, the news that we reported a month earlier starts to crop up in the mainstream media.
	And so we probably should be more redundant and kind of re-mention once in a while what we've talked about before.
	Well, let's do just that.
	So it was, in fact, exactly a month ago on September 11th.
	I believe it was the day after September 11th when we had a program, a broadcast.
	And we said, hey, that Muslim video thing is bullcrap.
	That's not what this is about.
	And have you noticed, as everyone has shifted from, it was outrage and anger over a very bad piece of film with very bad actors, particularly our U.S. president and the administration were swearing that's what it was about.
	out as they have moved to well yeah of course this was a terrorist a terrorist attack have you noticed that around the world no one is protesting the video anymore it's magic so we we should bring you back to say the mainstream media is so complicit that they either went oh yeah we gotta like get some shots of people and roll some b-roll and say there's protests everywhere
	I mean you have to remember there were protests all around the world!
	They're gone all of a sudden.
	Or We had the techno-experts of the State Department handing out signs and riling people up, and of course you still have a cropped shot where you have like 30 people, it looks like 3,000.
	But it is all one big psychological operation against you, and please, please remember that the end was nigh.
	Oh, the Muslims are so angry about the video!
	Now it's just all over.
	You know, I still haven't even seen the video and I don't think very few people have.
	Well, we played bits of the audio even, which no one else has done.
	No one has seen it.
	We played the audio where it's like, you know, hey, was Mohammed a homosexual?
	Yes, I think that Mohammed was a pedophile.
	Yeah.
	So I have here a very nice piece of video, which is a montage, but I think the audio speaks for itself, that I found.
	I didn't put this together, but I liked it so much, I want to play this.
	This is the timeline, starting from the moment that this horrific video caused the death of four American citizens, all the way to current day where, well, this is a terrorist attack!
	So why don't we listen to this so we can recall how we were, of course, right on the money one month ago.
	As usual.
	As usual.
	On the anniversary of the 9-11 attacks, Americans and American symbols in two Arab countries tonight are under attack by radical Islamist forces, and someone at the American consulate in Benghazi is dead, unclear.
	We're not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent.
	This is not a case of Protests directed at the United States.
	It began spontaneously.
	We've seen rage and violence directed at American embassies sparked by this hateful video over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with.
	Protests that arose because of the outrage over the video.
	This video is disgusting.
	Disgusting and reprehensible.
	Where there is an offensive video or cartoon.
	There was a hateful video.
	This is in response to a video that is offensive.
	You don't really believe that.
	Chris, absolutely I believe that because in fact it's the case.
	They weren't there to demonstrate about some obscure film.
	As Leon Panetta said, it was obviously a terrorist attack.
	The government there saying that they had warned the United States about the situation in Benghazi and that it was deteriorating.
	Days before the attack, there were warnings about insufficient security in Benghazi.
	Chris Stevens was the first U.S. ambassador killed in more than 30 years.
	That in the months before his death, he talked about being worried about the never-ending security threats.
	I don't know how you argue we weren't caught flat-footed.
	Specifically about the rise in Islamic extremism and growing Al-Qaeda presence.
	It leads to questions.
	Does it make any sense to you, the level of, or the small level of security he apparently had with him?
	The White House story crumbling.
	I would say yes.
	They were killed in the course of a terrorist attack.
	Hillary Clinton admitted that Al-Qaeda was involved.
	It wasn't just...
	A mob action.
	He said, it is self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack.
	What happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack.
	U.S. officials knew within 24 hours that this was an organized al-Qaeda attack.
	Which said the U.S. government knew about al-Qaeda's involvement within 24 hours of the attack.
	In the intelligence community, there are those who within the first 24 hours were saying that this was a terrorist attack.
	Why did Ambassador Rice give the American people bad information?
	There is more proof that this was all part of an elaborate cover-up by the administration.
	It's either gross incompetence and negligence, or in fact, they are lying.
	The president has a big investment in the narrative that not only is Osama dead, but Al-Qaeda is finished.
	And some of these militias are affiliated with Al-Qaeda.
	Al-Qaeda is very much alive.
	Hear that Al-Qaeda is alive and well.
	Bin Laden dead.
	Al-Qaeda alive.
	I was pretty certain, and continue to be pretty certain, that they're going to do bumps in the road.
	Did you catch the meme in there where they went there?
	The president's trying to stick with the narrative that Osama bin Laden is dead.
	He's dead, yeah.
	Dead.
	As if he's not.
	Well, who knows?
	I mean, what is the message there?
	Ah, so that was...
	Oh, God.
	That was a good...
	You stole that from somebody.
	No, I said...
	I told you.
	The Heritage Foundation.
	Of course.
	Oh, they had all that...
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Of course.
	Hey.
	Well, where were they a month ago?
	Oh, yeah.
	No, of course.
	They were nowhere.
	But here's what's interesting.
	Yesterday, there was an almost five-hour hearing on the Hill.
	Did you watch it?
	I watched part of it.
	I says, and then what's our favorite?
	Shavits.
	Shavits.
	Those two guys.
	I have a clip from each.
	So, really, the ISIS opening...
	Set the stage for the whole thing, and it's only like 30 seconds, and you know exactly that the whole thing is bullcrap.
	And he actually, he's such a shill.
	I mean, they're all a-holes, all of them.
	Contrary to early assertions by the administration, let's understand, there was no protest.
	And cameras...
	We'll reveal that, and the State Department, the FBI, and others have that video.
	Okay, so they actually have video showing that it was not a protest, but they have a video of the attackers, and so this is the opening, the first 30 seconds of this hearing, so you know there's just going to be a bunch of back and forth tit for tat.
	Speaking of video, the one in California made by an individual and out there for a period of time also clearly had no direct effect on this attack.
	In fact, it was September 11th, the 11th anniversary of the greatest terrorist attack.
	You see, this is where he's like, oh, really?
	Now you're going to pull this, you a-hole.
	U.S. history in New York, Pennsylvania, and at the Pentagon.
	It was that anniversary that caused an organization aligned with Al-Qaeda to attack and kill our personnel.
	So he's telling us the outcome of what the five hours is going to be.
	By the way, there's an organization allied with...
	What's the name of these guys?
	CIA. What's the name of this organization?
	I think the organization's name is CIA. That's what they're called.
	So we'll go back to our original premise, which is what we've...
	Considered a possibility, which was the October surprise being the kidnapping scenario that backfired and blew up in their face.
	And that's why, if you remember that one month ago, the early shots of Hillary looking so steamed.
	She looks like she was chewing nails.
	Interestingly enough, our buddy Shaffetz, there was only one thing I found interesting throughout the entire hearing, and there was a lot of, you know, like, we were asking for security, we didn't get security, State Department bad, it was just all back and forth, and of course the Republicans there were doing the usual, why did the administration lie, they lied, they lied, they lied, they lied, they lied.
	Like, okay, we get it.
	But something...
	You gotta listen to Rush Limbaugh and these guys.
	It's hilarious.
	You're a liar!
	We know they're all liars.
	Come on.
	It's like, duh.
	But they're all covering up something.
	But something happened when a woman from the State Department, who looked a bit like Christy Romer, by the way, and she had the same mannerisms and way of talking, which is just...
	It's excruciating to sit through that.
	Yeah, but of course.
	What we do is you don't have to cease to...
	So she has an easel, and she has aerial shots of the compound, and then she switches to another aerial shot, and then Chaffetz just freaks out.
	And on the street outside the compound, but were able to make their way to the annex.
	Point of order.
	The gentleman will suspend.
	The gentleman will state his point of order.
	Mr.
	Chairman, I'm concerned that we're getting into classified issues that deal with sources and methods that would be totally inappropriate in an open forum such as this.
	Everyone's like, what?
	What's your problem?
	The gentlelady, Ms.
	Lamb, Mr.
	Kennedy, is it your intent to declassify any or all material in Ms.
	Lamb's statement?
	Mr.
	Chairman, Mr.
	Chaffetz, the information that we are presenting today in open session is entirely unclassified.
	Mr.
	Chairman, I totally object to the use of that photo.
	I'm like, wow, this is interesting.
	What is it on that?
	And you can't see what it is.
	It just looks like a Google Earth shot of, I don't know, just some area.
	And I'm like, what is going on?
	The gentleman of state is reason.
	I believe it to be classified in information that goes to sources and methods and should not be disseminated in a public manner such as state is doing here today.
	Mr.
	Mr. Chairman, ranking members, I was just wondering, these are people.
	There's that a-hole.
	People from the State Department, they apparently have clearance to show this information.
	What's his name again?
	Yeah, that guy.
	The old bald guy, what's his name?
	They wouldn't come here unless it was cleared.
	He's just a stooge for Obama.
	For anybody.
	Anyone who will pay him.
	I appreciate the gentleman's comments.
	Ambassador, it's your statement that these either are now declassified or you are declassifying them at this hearing.
	Is that correct?
	In other words, is this cleared through your channels to be given here today?
	This information is available, sir, for public dissemination.
	Yes, sir.
	Okay.
	You can Google us.
	You can Google us.
	Point of order, although noted.
	But Chaffetz is pissed, and I think I know why, but let's just listen to his final statement.
	Okay, what committee is this again?
	Oh, is this the Homeland Security?
	No.
	Subcommittee on Crime Terrorism and Homeland Security?
	See, this is on that.
	He's on five or six.
	He's on the Committee of the Budget, the Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime Terrorism, Subcommittee on Intellectual Property, Federal Workers, National Security, Homeland Defense.
	In foreign operations.
	Well, he's chairman.
	He's not chairman of this one.
	No, no, ISA is...
	Yeah, so this has got to be crime, terrorism, and homeland security, I'm guessing.
	I have it here in the show notes.
	Just give me a second.
	It's...
	I have to look at it on C-SPAN. Let's listen to Chaffetz, and I'll look it up, and I'll tell you exactly what committee this is.
	It is the prerogative of the executive branch to determine what is not classified...
	The one thing I would note, my ABLE staff has compared last night's press conference and the opening statement of Ms.
	Lamb, and it appears as though her opening statement should have been given to us last night.
	It was obviously the one given to the press.
	Mr.
	Chairman, we'll reset.
	Here it comes.
	Can I make one more comment?
	While I was in Libya, I could not and should not ever talk about what you're showing here today.
	So I think, first of all, it's the House Committee of Oversight and Government Reform.
	That's what it was.
	So what do you think when you hear him say that?
	Hold on a second.
	Let me just look at the committee member.
	Yeah, this is it, because ICE is the chairman of that.
	And the guy you're talking about is either Elijah Cummings, the Maryland idiot.
	Yes, Elijah Cummings, yes, the Maryland idiot.
	I think he's irked and bringing, just my theory, now you can tell me what you think because I'm sure you picked it for a reason, but I'm guessing that Chavis was reprimanded for discussing or having anything to do with one of these, something similar, a photo or something where he was discussing something with someone in the State Department and then they jumped all over him and said, you can never...
	Talk about that ever for the rest of your life.
	Even mention that we have a building here or something like that.
	And all he's doing now is making a big fuss to draw attention to the fact that these guys are a-holes.
	That would be my off-the-cuff guess.
	So I am listening to...
	There's more of what he says later on, which I didn't clip, which isn't all that interesting.
	No, he was in Libya and he was told specifically, first rule about this is you can never ever talk about this because it's the weapons depot, John.
	Oh, right.
	It's the weapons depot.
	We discussed this on the show.
	Yes.
	That's why they went there, is to get some of the weapons, to recover some of the weapons.
	This was blowing CIA's cover on a weapons depot, which was the whole reason why this thing has been covered up, because these are the weapons, as far as I'm concerned, these are the weapons that we put in there to help the so-called Libya Free.
	It's a weapons library, you can see.
	Check out weapons, but you gotta check them back in.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But the reason why is because they need to be checked over to Syria, you see, because they've got people over there who want to borrow them.
	And this is literally just a fast and furious tube, what is going on with bigger guns.
	Yeah.
	So, something funny happens at the...
	You know how I love watching the White House and the State Department press conferences.
	So, Jake Tapper, who, he's with ABC, isn't he, Jake Tapper?
	I believe he might be, yeah.
	He's off the reservation.
	Yeah, I know, it was pretty funny.
	You saw this?
	He was like, maybe, I don't know.
	So here's, he's now...
	Let me just make sure what network he's with.
	Yeah, ABC News, Washington Correspondent.
	So here he is, nailing spokeshole Carney about this whole kerfuffle.
	President Obama, shortly after the attack, told...
	60 minutes regarding Mitt Romney's response to the attacks, specifically in Egypt.
	The President said that Romney has a tendency to shoot first and aim later.
	Given the fact that so much was made out of the video that apparently had absolutely nothing to do with the attack on Benghazi, that there wasn't even a protest outside the Benghazi post, didn't President Obama shoot first and aim later?
	So this is a very good point.
	This is a great point, and this is the definition of a great question.
	Now, listen to Carney.
	You can hear it.
	It's very interesting.
	You don't even have to see the video to hear what's going on.
	He's going to try and get in there, and then all of a sudden he has to read the legal statement from his pad, which he then reads very quickly.
	It's almost like a disclaimer on a drug ad or a car ad, actually.
	First of all, Jake, I think your assessment about what we know now is not complete.
	But I would simply say that...
	Of course not.
	I'm just going by what the State Department said yesterday.
	There is no question that in the region, including in Cairo, there were demonstrations reacting to the release of that video.
	And I will leave it to...
	Those who are testifying on the Hill to talk about, as they are...
	I said yesterday, there was no protest.
	That's not what you said, though.
	I'm talking about a Benghazi.
	Right.
	I'm not disputing that there was a protest.
	But what we said at the time is our intelligence community assessed that the attack began spontaneously following protests earlier that day at our embassy in Cairo.
	It's like, that's the line.
	You've got to read it exactly like that.
	Otherwise, you could get into trouble with the law.
	And then the best, and I think, you know, so CNN, there's something going on with CNN in all of this because, you know, they claim to have found a notebook belonging, we talked about this, belonging to the ambassador, which, you know, this was only discussed briefly.
	There were a couple of pages in it, and in this notebook, apparently, the ambassador Stevens had written, hey, you know, I'm on the hit list, you know, we need more security, they're out to get me.
	I'm paraphrasing because we've never really seen it.
	CNN only claims to have it and that they wanted to give it back to Stevens' family.
	So there's something going on between CNN and the administration because last night, and I just caught this off chance on a repeat of Anderson Pooper's program, he had on the mother of the vile rat.
	Remember the guy who was in the Eve chat room of the game?
	He was playing the game when they came.
	Right, the guy was playing the game when all hell broke loose.
	And his name is Vile Rat.
	And she is...
	Game name, of course.
	Well, yes.
	And she is pissed.
	And what she said about our administration, individually, about the members, to me was mind-boggling.
	And I still don't know.
	In fact, today I just heard something more, that he died of smoke inhalation.
	So you don't even know the cause of death?
	I don't even know if that's true or not.
	No, I don't.
	I don't know where.
	I look at TV and I see bloody handprints on walls thinking, my God, is that my son's?
	I don't know if he was shot.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	They haven't told me anything.
	They're still studying it.
	And the things that they are telling me are just outright lies.
	That Susan Rice, she talked to me personally and she said, this is the way it was.
	It was...
	It was because of this film that came out.
	So she told you personally that she thought it was a result of that video, the protest?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	In fact, all of them did.
	All of them did.
	Leon Panetta actually took my face in his hands like this, and he says, trust me, I will tell you what happened.
	And so far he's told me nothing.
	Nothing at all.
	And I want to know.
	It's important for you to know all the details, no matter how hard or no matter how tough they are to hear.
	Exactly.
	I told them, if it's such a secret thing, fine.
	Take me in another room, whisper in my ear what happened so that I know, and we'll go from there.
	But no, no.
	They treat me like...
	At first I was so proud because they were treating me so nice when I went to that reception.
	They all came up to me and talked to me and everything.
	I cried on Obama's shoulder.
	And then he kind of looked off into the distance.
	So that was worthless to me.
	I'm like, wow!
	Wow!
	Clip of the day!
	Hit it!
	Come on!
	Thank you!
	Thank you!
	How kind of you!
	Clip of the day!
	And I gotta give props to Anderson Pooper for pulling that out of her!
	Wow.
	That makes Anderson Pooper worth watching once in a while.
	Exactly.
	But you're right.
	This is something they would normally never play.
	So there's some things up between CNN and the administration.
	They obviously got cut out of some meeting.
	Yeah.
	There's a huge row.
	I know there's a row going on, but for them to stay on it like this is so uncharacteristic of CNN. But just the image of Leon Panetta taking this poor woman's face in his hands and going, Trust me.
	Like, wow!
	And her crying on Obama singing and him rolling his eyes.
	How evil!
	How evil are these people?
	They are what they are.
	I'm very happy that we can bring this all together for you here on the best podcast in the universe.
	We are just shittisons like you, except twice a week we get out of bed and we assassinate the media.
	Well, that was good.
	Yeah, thanks.
	Yeah, well, we know the whole thing's a scam of some sort.
	I mean, it would be...
	I don't know why they just can't say what happened.
	Well, I think it would look kind of bad if it turned out that we were moving weapons and it's for our proxy war with Russia, which is now being fought in Syria.
	I guess that's not good.
	Yeah, and we're having...
	I think they come up with a better cover story.
	Well, no, but it was a screw-up.
	Look, you and I both know this now, that it was a screw-up.
	They weren't prepared.
	Yeah, no, I realize that, but I'm saying after the screw-up.
	Well, I want to know who came up with the dumb story.
	I still think it's Carney.
	Oh, the idiotic story about the movie?
	About the movie.
	He's the kind of guy...
	Well, he seems to be the guy who's defending it the most.
	Exactly.
	And he would be the media guy.
	I guess an editor, an ex-editor of Time Magazine.
	Yeah.
	Which tells you everything you need to know right there.
	And I could see him dreaming something like this up and being the puppy dog of the day.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Here's what I see.
	I think he's had this on the back burner for a while.
	Well, the movie's been around for, what, over a year, I think, right?
	You already documented it.
	I actually would like to take that documentation and turn it into a clip show.
	You documented that movie's change of names and all the bull crap that went through it, because it's obviously a phony movie promoted by one of the agencies, intelligence agencies.
	Yeah, the usual...
	The movie, the name was changed.
	You went through all the documentation.
	Right.
	And they finally came up with this one, and they rejiggered the phony baloney overdubbing.
	Yeah.
	And so they had it, yeah, it was in abeyance.
	It was sitting there waiting to be used when needed.
	And he's the kind of guy, he's like a Boy Scout, you know, like, I'm prepared.
	And then he's like, oh, oh, I got some boss.
	I got some boss.
	And the reason why Hillary is like a puppy dog.
	And Hillary is like, oh, my God, I can't believe they use that.
	What an a-hole.
	Oh, no.
	So she's really angry that they use that of all the things they had to use that one.
	Because, you know, Huma's at home going like, oh, no, he didn't.
	Oh, no, he didn't blame it on the Muslims.
	That's what's going on there.
	I think that element is a possibility.
	Hey, let's thank our producers for this very special show, John, and I need to keep my eye on the clock because at 1, 15, and 16 seconds, it will be...
	It's your time, I guess, because it's not my time.
	No, my time.
	If we're doing the show at 1, 15, and 16 seconds, I'm rethinking my life.
	No.
	It's going to be a little too long.
	It'll be 1, 14, and 15 seconds.
	So it'll be 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
	It'll be very, very close.
	16, 16 one-thousands you could do.
	You know that even on this home connection, I think we're doing simplex on Skype.
	Now it is confirmed.
	Well, I'm not hearing you break off.
	I'm talking now.
	Can you hear me talk about it?
	Do you hear me now?
	Yeah, I can hear you.
	Oh, then you're just being rude.
	No, no.
	I can't.
	Yeah, that's it.
	And you can go join the chat room.
	Thank you very much.
	Rick Bressler, we do want to thank.
	He's our instantite for today's show, 451.
	And on 10, 11, 12.
	He's retired at $1,000.
	He came in from Washington.
	Direct deposit to the bank.
	Oh, really?
	Wow.
	People talk a big game about that, but very few people actually do it when they see the charts.
	It costs like $25 or something to do it.
	I'm retiring on it, which is actually cheaper than what PayPal charges for instant information.
	Yeah, it's $30 PayPal, isn't it?
	I think it's closer to $60.
	What?
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	That's a jip.
	So I would recommend just mailing checks.
	We have the post office box 339.
	Or there's a point where it's cheaper.
	I mean, you can't do a direct deposit to the bank account because it's going to cost you $25.
	I believe that's the fee.
	So you wouldn't do that with a $25 donation, obviously.
	I'm retired and on a fixed income, says Rick.
	Given the way the economy is going, it's apparent that my best shot at obtaining hookers and blow is a no-agenda knighthood.
	They may be a bit skanky, but you can get them here.
	What a bargain.
	Well, we do have one of the working girls out of Atlanta who's not skanky.
	What a bargain.
	I know money is tight everywhere, but as I found out when trying to find the resources for this donation, you can easily create some slack in the budget by developing a taste for pet food.
	Get used to it, he says.
	Wait, this is the no-agenda cat food layaway program?
	Is that what this is?
	One suggestion, though, stay away from the higher-end cat foods, as they often cost more than some brands of human-rated food.
	Now, to move aside for a second, you probably weren't old enough, but in the 70s...
	My parents used to talk about this all the time.
	I remember my mom would say, this is what you're talking about.
	My mom would say, she would have an argument with my dad.
	I could just remember this as a child.
	She's like, well, we're going to wind up eating cat food!
	Yeah.
	I think actually it was dog food.
	I think she said dog food, not cat food.
	It tends to be dog food.
	And this was a popular thing that became a meme in the 70s.
	And they show old people with a can of one of these dog food cans and eating straight from it like it was Chinese food.
	Well, have you ever tasted it?
	Some of it's quite tasty.
	I've tasted it.
	Well, some of it might be.
	Now, here's the thing that I wanted to mention, which I thought was, and I wish I could get a hold of this writer, because I thought this was, the Daily Cow once had a female writer who went and did a taste test of all the dog foods.
	Sure.
	And she did a rating.
	It was like, you know, like PC Magazine looking at all the printers.
	So she had all these dog foods that she ate, and the cat foods, and kibble.
	Kibble and bits.
	And so she went through the whole thing and said which is the best ones and all the rest.
	I just thought that was very creative.
	I have cooked dog food before.
	I've tried it.
	And I can't remember what the reason was.
	But it's not bad.
	It's not bad.
	Kids love it.
	One suggestion, though, stay away from the higher-end cat foods, as they often cost more than some brands of human-rated food.
	In the past, I would...
	By the way, horse meat's also quite good.
	You can get that.
	In the past, I would...
	And you just buy it from a horse meat provider.
	In the past, I would...
	In fact, in France, they eat it all the time.
	In the past, I would often fast-forward over some of Adam's more esoteric theories, but have since concluded that the entertainment value usually outweighs the absurdity...
	And no longer use my skip button.
	Oh, okay.
	Seriously, though, keep up the good work.
	Disconnect to my TV about the time of the first golf war and stop listening to the radio more than five years ago.
	When did the golfing war start?
	I like the golfing war.
	Yeah, the golf war.
	It's great to have a good source of relevant information and news that isn't tainted by the establishment or advertisers.
	Yes.
	You need to find an alternative to PayPal.
	Those assholes have been refusing all of my credit cards.
	Oh, boy.
	Anyway, so okay.
	Well, that's awesome.
	That is great.
	It's great to have an instant night on a day like this.
	It's fantastic.
	Very, very happy.
	Very, very happy.
	And Greg Filer from Lauderdale, Minnesota decided to donate 811.12 to take him to the 1011.12 amount, and he will become our 1011.12 night, and he needs the best podcast karma.
	The best podcast in the universe!
	You've got karma.
	You've got karma.
	Happy to oblige.
	Another night today will be Darren Phillips from Flagstaff Hills, South Australia.
	69696969.
	Or no, 6969696969.
	I don't know.
	It's 69669.
	Awesome.
	Great show.
	Truly the best podcast in the universe.
	The donation should be taking me over the edge to the drunken debauchery of knighthood.
	Compelled to donate since John channeled Will Ferrell from Anchorman to tell the chat room to go, well, you know what he said.
	Hey, wait a minute.
	We got this donation because of that?
	Yeah.
	You need to do more of it, my friend.
	We have forgotten that we need to tell our audience to go stuff it.
	Can I get a...
	Douchebag for my friend, Andrew Marozak.
	Douchebag!
	He refuses to believe you can actually read these things out.
	Oh, no, I see.
	He refuses to believe you can actually read these things out, meaning the douchebag.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, hold on a second.
	Hey, dude.
	Douchebag!
	Double douchebag for that.
	Also because he still gets his news from the CIA mouth.
	He's known as Al Jazeera.
	That's MI6, by the way.
	Let's get that straight.
	Close enough.
	Close enough.
	You know, they do talk.
	Yeah.
	Lastly, can I get an atlas shrugged followed by two to the head and that little girl shouting, yay, with a karma shot?
	Oh, well, I mean, it's a tall order, so it's an atlas shrugged, little girl, two to the head, yay, karma.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Atlas shrugged.
	By Ayn Rand.
	Yay!
	Where's the two to the head?
	I couldn't do it.
	You missed the two to the head.
	There you go.
	You've got karma.
	We agreed we would limit it to three sound effects.
	Yeah, try to keep down to three.
	I don't have enough hands.
	Okay, now we've got a little more complicated situation here with Stephen Drew from Newburgh, West Virginia.
	Hey, 451, he's the only member of the 451 Club.
	And he wants to use my NASCAR voice.
	Do I have a NASCAR voice when I talk like this?
	Is this NASCAR to you?
	Yeah, but it has to be a little more...
	Well, NASCAR guys have a twangier voice that I can't quite copy.
	Yeah, but it has to be announcer-y.
	You mean talking with a southern accent with an announcer's voice?
	Yeah, there you go.
	You nailed it.
	There you go.
	Hi, I'm from Newburgh, West Virginia.
	Just a couple of years over from Motown WV, although known after a win against Texas, more correctly known as Gitmo Nation, Burning Couch.
	Good.
	Good, good.
	Keep going.
	Special IDM SS to my neighbor Motown producer is no longer a cubicle slave sysadmin.
	Now part of the No Agenda Wheels on the Rail is still part of the tweeters whom Adam ignores at messages, though.
	So I got that going for me.
	Point of interest.
	I learned from the old gig how big pharma uses plastics for bonding agents and certain drugs would pass harmlessly through the digestive system.
	If that doesn't make you smell a load of crap, not much will.
	Anyway, I'm now transferring some money from my retirement IRA to a better value for value of investment.
	I say transfer.
	Why?
	Because taking it out of the phony baloney stock market scheme and putting into the no agenda where everybody benefits is damn sound money, right?
	The SUNY Morning Sickness Q story and show 450 was the funniest moment in podcasting history and was nearly the end of me and we came close, very, not very, that is, to discovering an 18-wheeler scattered amongst the trees.
	Please be careful listening to the show.
	Keep up the great work.
	If there's a better or a greater podcast in the multiverse, I want to know and add his RSS feed.
	Give me a deduction, Huntsman, clean Japanese shut-up slave karma ITM thing, whatever you call it, as a piece offered for the Sennaku Island mess.
	Very good, John.
	Very, very, very good.
	You've been dedouched.
	You've got karma.
	Shut up, Slade!
	That was really good.
	You liked it?
	I loved it!
	I could do some voiceover work.
	Yeah!
	You know what?
	I know a great...
	In Alabama, maybe.
	I know a great agent.
	I can read a few.
	And finally, we've got one associate executive producer, Joseph Frost in Wooddale, Illinois.
	$200, love karma would be appreciated from this lonely slave, hopefully better than the job karma I begged for in the past.
	Yeah, we've got some love karma coming up for you, no problemo.
	You've got karma.
	That was so good.
	Executive producer, associate executive producer for show 451.
	I want to remind people to go to Dvorak.org slash NA. We do need some help for the Sunday show.
	Yes.
	ChannelDvorak.com slash NA. NoAgendaShow.com and NoAgendaNation.com.
	And there's a donate button there on both those sites.
	And thanks to Martin J.J. for the album on the previous episode of No Agenda.
	I have to say, he's been just knocking it out of the park.
	He's been kicking it out of the park.
	But he almost has no competition.
	Well, that's not entirely true.
	Actually, we had a lot of art on last week.
	It's so hard to choose, but that's why we always encourage...
	And I always have it in every single show notes.
	I put a link to all the art so you can see, so people can go and enjoy it.
	Go ahead, print it out.
	It makes great t-shirts, coasters.
	Coasters.
	Yeah, coasters.
	Be really good for that.
	And we appreciate all the work you do.
	I think one of these days we just might...
	It's very expensive to do, but we can get that Memjet guys, whoever, to print us up the whole stack.
	Wouldn't it be great if you just had the whole set and you sold it in a nice box?
	A collector's item of all the...
	That's kind of what Lou does with business cards.
	And I want to thank Dave Koss.
	I want to thank Dave Koss for a special promotion that he's put on today.
	You remember Dave is our night, Black Knight in Dallas.
	He was our first stop on the 2009 No Agenda Hot Pockets Tour.
	And you'll recall that I left a pair of my HEMA underwear at his house.
	Yeah, very suspicious.
	Yes, so if you go to underwear.curry.com, and I encourage you to do this now, John, so you can be the first one to have a look.
	Underwear.curry.com.
	You will see that this is now an eBay promotion.
	Are you there?
	I'm trying.
	Oh, there it is.
	You wear those?
	Yeah, they're Hema's.
	White?
	Yeah.
	As Fred Astaire said, you should only wear black underwear.
	I have black too, but these were my white ones.
	And as you can see, bidding starts.
	We have zero bids.
	Well, we should.
	This is terrible.
	This show has hit a new low.
	However, you can buy it now for $1,000, and that will make you...
	Buy it now.
	Underwear, if you buy it now, underwear will come in a plastic bag sealed with a genuine No Agenda Black Knight ring-black seal.
	You can't start bidding at $100.
	The only things that ever work are no reserves, you start at zero.
	Let somebody get it, because otherwise you can't...
	Prime the pump.
	I like the fact that it's a celebrity auction under collectibles and historical memorabilia.
	Historical memorabilia.
	It goes to the show.
	It goes to the show, so hopefully you'll like this.
	Yeah, it's...
	What?
	Somebody smart, they'll buy them and send them right back to you.
	I said somebody smart, they'll send them right back to you.
	Exactly.
	All right.
	Well, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Let me just remind you.
	So that concludes our...
	Yes.
	That concludes our broadcast day.
	And of course, we would appreciate it if you could always do the most important thing that we need is to go out and propagate our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	New world order.
	These citizens.
	Shut up, play.
	Shut up, Slay!
	That's right, Shitizens.
	I was looking at the members of this committee that you took the clip from.
	I mean, this is the worst committee there is for the...
	I mean, this has got Kucinich, who's always...
	You know, John, I'm...
	Making trouble.
	He's got that idiot...
	Let's reconnect for a second.
	You keep cutting out, it's just not...
	Yeah, you're...
	Alright, alright.
	Okay, hit it.
	Hit it.
	Hit it.
	How come I can't hang up on you?
	There we go.
	Alright.
	Is he calling me back or should I call him back?
	Oh, there we go.
	Yeah, hopefully it's not your router.
	That seems unlikely because it's always...
	How do I sound now?
	A little worse, but it'll pick up.
	So anyway, it's got Elijah Cummings, that idiot.
	With the egghead.
	Yeah, and Eleanor Holmes Norton.
	Oh, my buddy!
	Yeah, the blowhard, yes.
	Egghead and blowhard.
	It's egghead and blowhard in the morning, everybody!
	Onward.
	What else we got?
	Well, there's tons of stuff.
	Let me get a couple things out of the way.
	Oh, sure.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Go for it.
	I've been dominating.
	You're right.
	You're so submissive today.
	Let's see here.
	Well, you had the clip of the day already.
	I'm doomed.
	You're not doomed.
	I got nothing here that can talk about.
	Well, you have a low chance.
	When you only got ten clips, your ratio is off.
	I'm trying to get to the ideal number of clips is six.
	No, it's not.
	Yeah, because when I have more than ten, it's always...
	Well, what's a clip on CNN? Where is it?
	I don't see it.
	Oh, please!
	CNN. CNN. How about if you could spell a...
	Come on.
	You know this is not fair.
	Okay, I got a gaffe.
	This says PNS. Now I see what you mean.
	This should be PBS. See, this is my point.
	Great PNS clip.
	Okay.
	Okay, wait, wait.
	I'm going to set this.
	This is the announcement for the...
	I want you to see if you've got to catch the gaffe.
	Okay.
	This is the announcement in Sweden for the Americans who won the Nobel Prize for, I think, chemistry.
	The Nobel Prize.
	The Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institute has today decided to award the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2012 jointly to John B. Gurdon and Shinya Yamanaka.
	The two scientists are from two different generations and celebrated today's denouncement half a world apart.
	Did he say denouncement?
	Now, I played it over and over again with other people listening, and he says denouncement.
	Now, give us the definition of denouncement.
	That means, you know, you denounce somebody.
	You tell them that they're no good and they should be banned from the community.
	I denounce you.
	That's funny.
	That's funny.
	And denouncement doesn't sound anything like announcement.
	No.
	I said denouncement.
	Let me roll it back.
	Let's just make sure so people can listen to that themselves and make sure.
	...are from two different generations and celebrated today's denouncement half a world apart.
	Denouncement.
	Not even close.
	These guys are just reading John, you know, and sometimes they make mistakes.
	Some joker, some intern.
	Just make mistakes.
	Put it on the prompter.
	Hey, watch this.
	No, I think they just did it because they didn't know the difference between denouncement.
	What happened?
	There was a denouncement.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Put it on here, denounce, man.
	All right.
	Hey, remember when I was in D.C.? I... I'm sorry.
	I'm reading something weird.
	I noticed the Homeland Security police truck.
	And I was questioning what that was.
	Yeah, they're all over the place.
	There's a bunch of them around here.
	Yeah, okay.
	But you know what that is?
	Because someone snapped a shot of one of them here in Austin.
	And it is actually the Federal Protective Service...
	That is what these cars are.
	And they are a component of, of course, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.
	Their job is to protect federal property and federal buildings.
	But they have all these really expanded powers.
	So if they see you committing a crime, they can immediately arrest you without a warrant.
	But essentially, these guys, they're not police officers.
	They're just hired through private companies.
	And then they're given a badge and they get to put police on their car.
	And they act and they're always like with their siren.
	Yeah, because they love it.
	Yeah, man, let's go get some coffee.
	You bet.
	Woo!
	Right!
	Woo!
	Rockin', baby!
	There's 9,000 of them.
	There's 9,000 of them.
	Yeah, most of them, well, not most of them, but a lot of them are up in Washington State along the border as part of Border Patrol, DHS Border Patrol, and they're up there doing, they're jumping in, they stay on the police bans, and they're jumping in and saying, you guys need any backup?
	Yeah, exactly, because they got nothing better to do than sitting there protecting a building.
	How boring is that?
	And they're like, hey, exactly, it's like...
	We've got a cloud opportunity over there on Dirty Road.
	All right, guys, we're on our way.
	We're here.
	Police!
	Homeland Security!
	How can I help, ma'am?
	Get out of the way, slave!
	Citizen, back up!
	They're out of their mind, but they do have a lot of powers.
	Yeah, they do.
	And one of the problems they were having, this ended about a year ago.
	Luckily, nobody was killed.
	But these guys were, like, up in the Pacific Northwest, and they were, whenever they went to any meetings, they would turn on lights and siren and then go 80, 90 miles an hour on the roads that are 55.
	To the meeting.
	They're going to the meeting.
	Yeah, they're just rushing around for no apparent reason and passing people up.
	Mimi says she almost got killed a couple of times.
	I remember that.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	They talked to the highway patrol of Washington State and said, we can't do anything because they can do whatever they want.
	We can't really do anything.
	And they started moaning and groaning so much that they had to go to Washington and talk to the supervisors, I guess.
	Yeah.
	Somebody and they finally sent a memo out and told these guys to stop driving around like maniacs.
	I remember we talked about this on the show years ago.
	This is how my brain works.
	I actually remember that.
	So here is their services.
	I'm reading from the book of knowledge.
	They are to provide a visible uniform presence in major federal buildings.
	They respond to criminal incidents and other emergencies.
	They install and monitor security devices and systems.
	They investigate criminal incidents.
	They can conduct physical security surveys, coordinate a comprehensive program for occupants' emergency plans, prevent formal crime, prevention and security awareness programs, enforce traffic laws on federal property only, mind you, provide police emergency and special enforce traffic laws on federal property only, mind you, provide police emergency and special security services during national special security events, whatever those are, natural disasters
	hurricanes, and major civil disturbances, as well as during man-made disasters such as bomb explosions and riots.
	So, I'm afraid of these guys.
	They are John Wayne gung-ho crazies.
	Yeah, and they got some of the best gear.
	They've got awesome gear, straight from Janet.
	Yeah.
	They get the big budget, they get the big gear, it makes everybody else look sick.
	Although, they did the...
	Apparently, the DHS has also been bribing all these small communities.
	They must have done that with Albany, because now we have...
	For some reason, out of the blue, we have...
	From having maybe five...
	One square mile town.
	From having five police cars, or six, to having like 12...
	Outfitted beauties with huge battering rams in the front, all black, big giant beams.
	This is a little town.
	It looks like the SWAT team.
	Anyway, it's terrible.
	Indeed it is.
	Completely underreported.
	Really, really, really underreported, but this is a massive shut-up slave moment.
	The U.S. Supreme Court...
	Determined, I guess it was yesterday or the day before, that indeed all of the telecommunications companies who were performing warrantless eavesdropping on United States citizens can maintain their immunity immediately.
	And no harm, no foul, nothing to see here.
	It's okay.
	You guys did good.
	You did good by spying on, illegally spying on United States citizens.
	Good job.
	Good job.
	And the Supreme Court okayed this.
	Yeah.
	The Supreme Court.
	So I think that this is just a, they needed to have this win, I guess, for the cybersecurity law, which is coming up.
	So that, you know, because of course they're already spying on our email and everything.
	This is nothing new.
	So that they can, you know, now everyone can, oh, don't worry about it.
	We'll just do the executive order.
	It's already been cleared.
	We already have the jurisprudence.
	If anyone comes yammering about it before we have the bill passed where you're indemnified from lawsuits, we can just say, here we go.
	We did the same with wiretapping.
	So you're good to go.
	That's the way I see it.
	That's why they needed to get this through the Supreme Court.
	I don't have the exact vote or who voted yay or nay, but...
	I thought it was just that the Supreme Court said, we don't want to hear this, so you guys are good to go already.
	I don't know that was actually presented.
	I don't know either.
	I mean, there's so little reporting on it.
	How can you even find out what actually happened other than, here you go?
	But no one, no one, no one is reporting on that.
	No one.
	Oh, and good news.
	Good, good news.
	So we had Mark, Void Zero, along with DJ Dave Jones and all of our cast of thousands jump in and they figured out a way to at least get the downloads, the shows to people uninterrupted.
	So if you're listening to this, it worked.
	Despite this huge unreported Apple snafu, this is going to be so funny.
	You thought Mapgate was bad?
	There are people who are coming up with thousands of dollars of overages on their data plans because they took their spiffy iPhone 5 or they upgraded to iOS 6 and went to Europe on business or on vacation.
	People in Australia are freaking out.
	I called my daughter.
	I said, do not, do not, do not upgrade to iOS 6.
	She's like, no, no, no, what's up, what's up?
	Then tell your friends immediately.
	These kids can't afford that.
	There is something wrong with iOS 6 and the iPhone 5 that any application, if you have the podcast app on it, then it's the worst.
	But any application that has to download a file is just running out of control and it's just downloading these files over and over and over again.
	And I listened to Twit on Sunday.
	There's no reporting.
	No one is reporting on this.
	No one.
	CNET's not reporting on it.
	New York Times.
	No one.
	No one's reporting on this.
	And it's on their forum.
	You know, because it's a holy apple.
	Ooh, so awesome.
	Blow me with your iPhone.
	There you have it.
	We're paying for it too, by the way.
	Yeah, no, I think so too.
	I mean, it's obvious a lot of people are missing some shows now.
	Yeah, not only are people missing shows, but how about the bandwidth?
	You know, when there are people, you know, one show, they wind up loading, downloading 10 gigabytes of data.
	This is not a joke, John.
	This is like really, really bad.
	Well, it should get resolved.
	But it's okay for us.
	I think we're going to be okay now.
	But it's just interesting how the press is just all about, you know, Apple just can't do anything wrong.
	I guess, you know, Steve's not dead long enough yet to do that.
	We have to wait a little longer.
	What do you think the appropriate time is so we can start?
	The way they're going, I'd say 10 years.
	Wow.
	Wow, wow, wow.
	Although if they keep screwing up.
	Which apparently may be the new theme.
	I think you start to see some nastiness over this mapping deal show up.
	But that's just minor.
	I mean, the map thing is not...
	And this may be related.
	I don't know.
	But they've got something very, very broken.
	And it's costing people real money.
	And they're just now starting to find out, now that they're getting text messages from their carrier saying, okay, you've already sucked up all your data, and now every gigabyte costs $10.
	People are taking their brand new, lovely iPhone, and they have to turn data off as they go outside.
	How awesome is that?
	Well, that iOS 6 apparently is a disaster.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yes.
	Well, you know, all upgrades are tough.
	All software sucks.
	Somebody sent us a note saying they were having some trouble with their Android downloads.
	Well, you know, we were getting so killed with that.
	We now have, I think...
	Like a 20-terabyte line or some crazy pipe like that.
	The problem is we were getting swamped, and so then other people's stuff would break.
	Now we've got round-robin DNS and, I don't know, all kinds.
	Our guys are good.
	We've got a great community working hard on it.
	So it should be okay.
	If not, we'll keep working.
	Okay.
	Just a little...
	But I think we have lost some listeners.
	I'm sure we lost some listeners, for sure.
	Hey, and you probably heard, if you're not in the United Kingdom of Gitmo Nation Easts, Then you probably heard about it on the show here first about Jimmy Savile, the Jim Will Fix It guy.
	This is now, and it's now everyone's coming out of the woodwork in the UK about this pedo bear.
	And it's very interesting to watch and very interesting to hear all these different clips.
	Well, it's gotten so bad, they removed his headstone from the graveyard.
	Yesterday afternoon the family contacted me and said that they'd thought carefully about the course of action with respect to the stone and that they'd decided...
	In order to protect the sanctity and the dignity of this cemetery, they felt it was appropriate to remove the stone.
	Literally, and by the way, he was buried in cement at a 45 degree angle looking towards the mercy or something as per his wishes.
	Guy was a total maniac.
	And you can just see, you can just see he's a fiddler.
	And this is a bit from his autobiography.
	And this stuff is just being played on the radio now.
	Now the UK is really like, they love a good story like this.
	And here he's basically saying, hey, it's basically not just me, it was the entire police force.
	Okay, well in terms of that environment, I mean, which is what in one sense Mark Williams Thomas talks about, not only those who were around him in the places he worked, but also, for example, the police.
	I mean, he makes mention in his own autobiography, there's a rather strange encounter which involves a girl who's run away from...
	From a remand home, and he doesn't bring her back to the police till the following morning.
	And he says in his autobiography, the officeress, the policewoman, was dissuaded from bringing charges against me by her colleagues, for it was well known that were I to go, I'd probably take half the station with me.
	You have to understand, I've been talking about this for years.
	You got a radio station burned down because of your chit-chat about this.
	Now, here he is on an interview in the, I think this is late 70s, Where the allegations, you know, this is one of these non-denial denials.
	The allegations were already out there.
	This is what drives me nuts, is that, you know, these stories go on forever and people, no, that's impossible.
	That can't be, you know, it would be a conspiracy so large, someone would have had to talk about it.
	It can't be the whole police force.
	No, it's not possible.
	No, no, no.
	I was just going to say, the funny thing about that notion is that here, the guy is talking about it.
	I mean, it's like, say you have some horrible thing that takes place.
	And I would put World Trade Center 7 right at the top of the list of this.
	It's like...
	Oh, if that was a conspiracy the way you described it, they couldn't keep it a secret.
	Somebody would talk about it.
	Somebody is talking about it.
	They're talking about it constantly.
	Yeah, but somebodies don't count, you see.
	This is like the Muslims.
	They say, oh, the Muslim, middle-class Muslims who aren't radicals, that they should speak up.
	They do speak up.
	But it's only on a podcast, you see.
	It doesn't count.
	It doesn't count if it's on a podcast.
	Exactly.
	I've seen lots of stories about you over the years and some nasty rumours as well.
	He's like, what?
	Nasty rumours?
	What are you talking about?
	I've never read any of them.
	And listen, she's like...
	Just nasty rumours!
	The Rose documentary I know dealt with some of them and these claims of abuse.
	How did you react to me when this...
	What claims of abuse?
	Claims of abuse with you and young children?
	Oh, never heard of it in my life.
	Oh, never heard of it in my life.
	In my life, John.
	John, have you ever heard of it in your life?
	Never heard of it in my life.
	Never.
	Never heard of it in my life.
	Well, it was mentioned in that documentary.
	No, it wasn't at all.
	No, it wasn't in the documentary.
	It's like the Monty Python character.
	It's just a flesh wound.
	Yeah.
	When you get a documentary like that, what they do is they keep prodding you.
	And what they hope is that you will fall out with them.
	And then they think that makes good television.
	But it doesn't, you see.
	Because when, for instance, they did Louis...
	Louis' problem was we finish up with good friends and he comes and stays with me.
	But...
	When you're working for a living, you're forever prodding, prodding, prodding, because a lot of people, they're called shock jocks.
	Oh, it's the shock jocks, John.
	Clearly we're the shock jocks.
	And they're trying to shock people into either losing their temper or this, but it didn't get early enough to do that with me.
	And the only person that kept one stuck on that was poor old Louie.
	But had you heard rumours and allegations or anything like that, then?
	I have a life like general fiction, but don't listen to things like that.
	And there was no way you were going to respond to any of it, then?
	Well, of course, you'd want to probably respond to something if it's not true.
	You don't do it.
	So what's interesting is if you look at all these stories now in the UK, they're trying to spin it because, you know, we have a new director general at the BBC, and this is his first thing.
	The guy's just in the job.
	It's like, how you doing?
	Welcome to the show.
	By the way, the entire elite in media and politics are abusing children, and they are picking them up at children's hospitals.
	Now there are kids, or grown-ups now, who were abused.
	Saville literally would volunteer at hospitals and he would he would fiddle with the children.
	And they're trying to make it sound like it was always like young girls who were fans of his.
	No, no.
	These were young children, children in hospitals, girls, boys.
	He would take them to parties with politicians and rich people.
	It's all coming out.
	But of course, you are going to be brainwashed into thinking this is just all just crazy shock jock people talking.
	And of course, all of this ties to Haute Laguerre.
	This is the elitist playground on the Isle of Jersey, the orphanage where children's bones and teeth have been found after they've been abused and killed.
	Yes, Jimmy Savo's name did come up during the inquiry, but it was more of an inference than a specific allegation.
	Can I just clarify what that meant?
	What does an inference mean?
	This, by the way, is the police officer who did the investigation who was fired and kicked off the entire island.
	Well, what we were told was that he was a regular visitor to Haute de la Guerin.
	Yeah, just a regular visitor, just dropping by.
	And to other homes on the island.
	And we were also told by a national newspaper that they had asked him to assist us with the inquiry and that he had refused.
	But that was very much a moot point at the time because we hadn't asked him to assist.
	And as I say hello, we were given a photograph which purported to show him at Haute de la Guerin.
	There was really nothing in the photograph, and there was not even enough there to question him at the time.
	Right, so there was no direct allegation at the time.
	No.
	Right, but subsequently it turns out he was at the home.
	It would appear so, and it would appear as if he was there several times, along with other care homes on the island as well.
	Yeah.
	And so you're convinced now that he could have abused or did abuse children there?
	Well, there are a number of reasons why.
	I mean, at the time we obviously had suspicions, but there just wasn't any evidence.
	I know for a fact that at least four, perhaps five, people have come forward to say that they were assaulted by this man at Haute de la Guerin.
	And it's certainly consistent with the pattern of events of what was going on in Jersey at that time.
	So, and I'll wrap this up because I could play these clips all day and then, you know, there's no radio station that can be burned down in this case, but eventually I'll push it too far.
	I want to say something very important.
	There are people who are abused And physically, mentally, and I think it propagates, and I think that it can go from someone who's abused as a child can wind up abusing children, and this is a vicious cycle, and I think these people are just as much victims as they are abusers, and that's a serious health issue.
	But what is happening if you look at...
	Joris Demick at the top of the justice system in the Netherlands, and you look at all the elites who have been covering for him, you look at what's going on with Dutroux in Belgium, it's all connected.
	You look at this Isle of Jersey, you look at Saville and all, and these are people who are blackmailing each other to stay in power, and they are insane, children blood-drinking crazy people.
	Write a book.
	Ugh.
	Keep bringing it up on the show, over and over, same thing.
	Yeah, okay, well...
	Write a book.
	No, because...
	No, why?
	Lots of books have been written about this.
	And by the way, that'll publish well.
	Hey, Penguin!
	I got a great idea.
	Here's my manuscript.
	Publish it.
	Yeah, I don't think so.
	Act to politics.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Go hell with that.
	Yeah.
	Let's play this clip.
	I have a...
	I was watching...
	Oh, by the way, CCTV... One of the reasons I only have 10 clips is because I'm going to play...
	Let's see, where's the clip?
	I only have 10.
	I can't find it.
	Export CCTV news.
	Why don't you read a book?
	There's a real short clip.
	I think it must be this one.
	Yeah, I've got it.
	Here's the reason.
	Yes, export CCTV. Here's the reason every day for the last month, CCTV, when their news broadcasts, goes about 10 minutes, and then they give this little pitch, and then they play a documentary, the same one, every day.
	And that's it for this update of CCTV News.
	Coming up next is a special feature program, the Daoyu Islands of China.
	Ha, ha, ha.
	The Value Islands of China?
	Those are the ones, those are those islands.
	They're called Value now.
	The Japanese call something out.
	They call them Dalyu or whatever.
	Sikaku, Sikaku.
	And yeah, well the Chinese have a different name for them.
	And every single day for the last two or three weeks, they've been playing this 20 minute documentary about why the Chinese own these islands.
	And actually they have been beefing it up.
	Now they've got all kinds of weird stuff in it.
	But it's like, oh please.
	And why do we care?
	Why don't you guys go fight amongst yourselves?
	Meanwhile, they are putting a high-speed bullet train in China from a couple of different towns.
	They're putting them all over the place.
	But I want you to play rail service, learning how to stand, and I want to tell you what I actually witnessed when watching this clip.
	All the crew members had to pass tests including a written examination.
	Ahead of the railway line's formal operation, all the crew members are receiving various training to strengthen their courtesy during the service.
	They also have to undergo physical training including proper stances for walking and standing as well as how to maintain a proper appearance.
	The 198 crew are expected to be divided into 37 groups after the rail service comes into operation.
	They don't do it with anybody in this country.
	They had these women standing there with like a leg up and then with a book on their head and with a chopstick in their mouth.
	And then they had to move.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	There was a chopstick in their mouth.
	Wait a minute.
	Let me get this straight.
	One leg up, book on their head, chopstick in their mouth.
	The chopstick was across the mouth like it would hold a rose.
	What is the point?
	I don't know what the point of the chopstick was.
	And then they had him gesturing.
	Like, here's how you introduce somebody to the door.
	And they had him do this.
	Oh, that's polite.
	Yeah, I like that.
	That's good.
	I'm all for that.
	I'm thinking, would Americans, if they tried to do this in this country, they would sue the company for harassment.
	I am not a slave to you.
	Oh, man.
	That's almost like the noodles kid.
	Yeah, it's exactly...
	Oh, you don't have that clip, do you?
	Let me see.
	I don't know if I have noodles, kid.
	The noodles clip is my all-time favorite clip.
	How come I don't...
	I thought that was an evergreen that we saved that for some reason.
	No, I don't have the noodles clip handy.
	Yeah, the kid who comes to work, hey man, I don't know why you're telling me how to cook.
	Hey man, what is this?
	It's not democratic, man.
	You're telling me what to do.
	I go to work, they're telling me what to do.
	This is no good.
	This is no good.
	I don't want to have to like, hey man.
	Yeah.
	So we're idiots.
	I can't find the noodles clip.
	Okay, well, what are you looking for?
	I got one more clip here that's worth listening to.
	Apparently, according to Hellhound, the chopstick is so you don't bite your tongue when you get tased.
	Right on.
	Did you hear about the pullover talking about crazy comments in the comment room?
	There was...
	They pulled over this guy that's coming in from China or Japan or someplace.
	He was dressed up with a bulletproof suit.
	Oh, I have the clip.
	I have the clip.
	Hold on a second.
	I have it.
	This was great.
	I really like this, actually.
	There have been a lot of questions raised about airport security, but how about this one?
	By the way, she's drunk again.
	Do you hear?
	There's been a lot of questions about airport security.
	There have been a lot of questions raised about airport security, but how about this one?
	A man getting on a plane in Los Angeles, had in his checked bag knives, a club, smoke grenades, handcuffs, and a hatchet.
	How did it happen?
	ABC senior national correspondent Jim Avila explains.
	A lone traveler allowed to fly in a frightening getup from Asia to California.
	Yang DeHarris' flight suit, fireproof leggings, knee pads, a Chinese knockoff bulletproof style vest, all covered by the stereotypical long black trench coat.
	Ooh!
	Ooh!
	The stereotypical long black trench coat!
	This guy is involved in some sort of delusion or fantasy that's totally appropriate, obviously.
	In fact, sources tell ABC News Harris, carrying only a laptop, wore that vest through security in China, but was taken aside and questioned during his route through South Korea and Japan, then allowed to proceed to the United States.
	When he landed in Los Angeles, a customs agent noticed the unusual garb, checked his bag, and police arrested him.
	He had a myriad of items in his checked-in luggage.
	It raised a lot of suspicion.
	He had a gas mask, knives, handcuffs.
	Still, it may surprise the average passenger, none of that frightening gear, not even the body bags in his luggage, is banned from planes.
	Hey, by the way, I'm getting me some body bags and I'm just putting them in my luggage.
	That is a great idea.
	There's a couple of things I want to say.
	There's a number of things in this.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Well, first of all, there used to be an editor at Spy Magazine...
	And I think people should reincorporate this concept.
	We hated these checks at the airport.
	And so he would carry a bag.
	His luggage would be filled with some of the most grotesque dildos that you could possibly carry around.
	So you have to watch these agents have to handle the things.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Um...
	Is there actually a manufacturer who sets out to make grotesque doodos?
	Just go look them up.
	You'll find them.
	Hey, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, son.
	So anyway, I'm reading this in one of the big newspapers with 9,000 comments.
	You won't think this is funny, but some members of the audience will.
	The first comment that comes out of the comment room, which is why this is the call back to the comment room.
	The first comment that comes out is, the guy was just going to a Raiders game.
	Okay.
	In the morning.
	There's something else in this clip, though.
	Remember his name?
	It was something, not really, but it was Yao Wen or something like that.
	Harris.
	Harris?
	His name is Harris.
	His name was Harris, the same as the Harris kid?
	Yes, with a trench coat.
	Oh, okay.
	Total, total recall on the mind control.
	Yeah, good one.
	The whole thing was bullcrap.
	I got the Noodles Kid clip if you want it.
	Should we play Noodles?
	Oh, we love the Noodles Kid.
	Yeah.
	By the way, I found this through search.nashownotes.com.
	It really works.
	I just typed in noodles.
	And the first hit, NoodlesKid.mp3?
	Well, like I described earlier, there are two fundamental classes that are just a plain fact in society.
	You either work for someone else, or you work for yourself.
	And most people work for someone else in a way that they aren't free.
	We don't really get to decide your work.
	For example, I work at Noodles, a restaurant, and basically it's a dictatorship there.
	We're told exactly what we're going to cook, how we're going to cook it, what time we're going to get there.
	And basically, if they don't like what they're doing, they try to tell us what to do.
	If we don't listen, they get rid of us.
	And so we're not able to actually cooperate in a way that we make decisions together.
	I try to convince my fellow employees that we should have a union at Rudolf so it's a source of power to start with.
	And then I think in terms of the bigger picture when you look at revolutions, the way that you actually get rid of any sort of dictatorship is by having workers take control Sure.
	Would it include the owner?
	What capacity would he be granted?
	If the owner wanted to cooperate with us as an equal and provide his skills that he had, we would definitely cooperate with him.
	We'd have to advocate his position as being an owner And this is why we are doomed.
	This is unbelievable.
	Every time I hear that, Kenny, bitches about the dictatorship of noodles.
	Yeah, stick a chopstick in his face.
	Put a book on his head and stick a chopstick in his head.
	That'll teach him.
	You know, I have to say, That somewhere we went wrong in these United States of Gitmo Nation.
	The education system.
	Yeah, it really is.
	Self-esteem bullcrap.
	It really is the education system.
	Everybody has to be a winner.
	Yeah, you're right.
	Yeah, it's sad, but that's where it went wrong.
	Competition is bad.
	Let's hug and tell a secret.
	Let's all hold hands.
	Oh, man.
	Yeah, it's bad.
	And you just see it everywhere.
	Except, I have to say, Southwest Airlines, somehow, they're still great.
	And I think they train them at Southwest Airlines.
	They must.
	Yeah, they probably make them stand at attention with a book on their head.
	No, but Southwest Airlines are generally happy and helpful.
	And, you know, it's like, you know, we've been traveling a lot and we have, you know, the suitcase is 52 pounds instead of 50 or less than 50.
	And not a single one went...
	Like every other airline.
	She's like, man, don't worry about it, man.
	Chill, man.
	Don't worry.
	It's all cool.
	It's all cool, brother.
	It's very nice.
	So the true ruler of the world, Christine Lagarde, has given Greece two more years.
	This never ends.
	This is great.
	This is big news.
	And Lagarde's list, I have to point out, there are now two people dead who are on the list.
	We talked about this, I think, two shows ago over there in Euroland where Christine Lagarde has apparently a list.
	And on this list is 2,000 elites and politicians and people in the media who took a total of 1.9 billion euros in kickbacks from, you know, things like Siemens and just all kinds of stuff.
	So let's see, we have two people dead on Lagarde's list.
	You do not want to be on Lagarde's list.
	One guy hung himself.
	Or he was hung.
	You never really know.
	And the other guy...
	I think he got suicided as well.
	This thing is not getting a lot of play, really, in the press.
	I think it's a great story.
	Who are these two?
	Did you get their names?
	Yeah.
	One of them was...
	Is it Yanis Stournas?
	No, he's the current finance minister.
	Greek businessmen have been accused of being part of the bribery and money laundering network.
	Was found dead in a hotel room in Jakarta.
	His name...
	Vlasis Kamburuguglou.
	It was involved in some Russian stuff going back and forth.
	I mean, these names are kind of hard.
	But it also involved former Defense Minister Akis Tokopuzalupus.
	He's in jail.
	It goes on.
	It doesn't really matter.
	I mean, when Angela Merkel came to town...
	And I don't know if you've seen the pictures, but people literally had big signs of Merkel with a Hitler mustache.
	They had big Nazi flags with Merkel in the middle of them.
	I mean, here's a little report from Euro News.
	And by the way, when you show up and there's a marching band and you're on the red carpet and you're coming out of your douche mobile, your flying douche mobile, you're kind of asking...
	What?
	Yeah, and a tuba.
	Yeah, and you'd be kind of asking for trouble.
	You know, like, she is, she's, okay, she's a politician from another country, but they're bringing her in like she's royalty.
	I mean, who are these, these people are insane.
	They really think they're that awesome.
	Like, whoop-a-da-boom!
	Boom!
	She arrived for her first visit to Greece in over five years, Europe's paymaster touching down in the Eurozone's most indebted nation.
	In the past, she's stayed away, critical at the slow pace of reform here.
	But now she's arrived for a symbolic show of support.
	Now, she came to check up on her island, is what she did.
	But here is a subtlety that the Greeks were very angry about.
	She was wearing the same jacket.
	And if you notice, Ms.
	Merkel...
	She wears the same schnitt of coat.
	It's always the same because she has a big pot belly and she tries to hide it.
	Just Google a picture.
	You'll see it's always the same type of outfit she's wearing.
	But she wore the exact same one she wore to the soccer game when Germany beat Greece.
	And this did not go unnoticed by the Greeks.
	It was like, you know, just an extra slap in the face.
	It's very funny.
	It's not funny.
	Well, I mean, it's very funny to us.
	Yeah, to us it's great.
	So yes, we had 6,000 or 7,000 police officers out there.
	There was no reason for her to go there, just to rub it in people's faces.
	No, there's no reason for her to go there at all.
	No.
	But it's okay.
	Two more years, slaves!
	Two more years!
	Yeah, there you go.
	Two more years of riots is what it's going to amount to.
	Oh, yeah.
	I watched the whole...
	The IMF had their big party in Japan, in Tokyo.
	And I watched it live, and I watched Christine Lagarde do her little speech there.
	It's just nothing worthwhile.
	It wasn't even shocking.
	She never says anything interesting.
	No.
	Even the questions, you know.
	But she always starts off with like some, you know, she'll talk a little French, talk a little Japanese, show how cool she is.
	So I got a letter from one of our producers in Croatia.
	Oh, I know who that is, yeah.
	Ivan?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, Ivosh.
	I can't, I think this is, he just kind of read the newsletter where Garcia discussed the fact that in Brazil, in Madrid, they are mixing, they're putting a bunch of stuff inside the giant plaza.
	To kind of screw it up so you can't do, because in Europe, in many of these old towns, there's these huge public places that you can go.
	I mean, they have one, Beijing has one.
	That's where they had their, and they had a problem, they have problems there too.
	And so, because the public will gather in a large number.
	Oh, so you have to put obstacles in there, you mean?
	Yeah, so they're putting obstacles in.
	He mentioned that in Zagreb, I guess they're starting to do this just already, even though he says the Croatians never riot or anything.
	It's not like their nature.
	And I'm now beginning to wonder if this is a trend that we're seeing the early stages of where all across Europe, all these pleasant plazas, these town squares, which are in every place, that are also recommended, by the way, by city architects as a good idea, are all going to be decimated because it's fearful.
	Because if you don't have no place to gather...
	Yeah, then you can't gather.
	Can't gather.
	Just go home and get on the Xbox.
	Yeah.
	Where we want you.
	Point that out as a possible trend to look out for.
	I got a lot of positive feedback on the newsletter.
	If you're not a member of our newsletter, you can sign up.
	There's always a link where to sign up in the show notes.
	The RSS feed for the thing is broken.
	Someone pointed that out to me.
	I didn't know that...
	They changed the RSS feed or something.
	That was kind of weird.
	I don't know.
	I'm looking into it.
	Yeah, check it out.
	But people liked it.
	They liked the whole idea.
	It was kind of like a special highlight.
	Of course, we have No Agenda News Network, noagendanewsnetwork.com, which our producers post to.
	People put in RSS feeds I think are worthwhile.
	Please, if you find yourself sending emails to John and I on a regular basis, consider just getting a blog somewhere and just...
	You can literally just, freely and available, you can post your RSS feed into noagendanewsnetwork.com and you can share the articles.
	I watch that all the time, all day long.
	It's much better than email.
	Much, much better.
	But taking a boots on the ground story like that That's truly, that's beautiful.
	And we don't have enough of that.
	We don't have people just writing a little bit about something that they're observing in their own hometown.
	So I think it's a good initiative to put that into the newsletter.
	It's an extra service.
	Exactly.
	We're here to...
	We're a public service operation.
	We are?
	I think so.
	Public service operation.
	So before we get to the donation segment, which I think you're leading to...
	Kind of.
	I have a...
	You know, if we were taking advertisements, we'd be taking campaign ads.
	For sure, we'd be making a lot of money.
	Oh, yeah.
	But I ran into it, and when I saw this, I actually had to stop it and go back to make sure it wasn't some parody or something stupid that was on Colbert.
	Because this is definitely, like, written by Stephen Colbert.
	But this was actually an honest-to-God...
	True to form Obama campaign at The Real Deal.
	I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message.
	Bernie Madoff, Ken Lay, Dennis Kozlowski, criminals, gluttons of greed, and the evil genius who towered over them?
	One man has the guts to speak his name.
	Big Bird.
	It's me, Big Bird.
	Big Bird.
	Yellow, a menace to our economy.
	Mitt Romney knows it's not Wall Street you have to worry about.
	It's Sesame Street.
	I'm going to stop this subsidy to PBS? Mitt Romney, taking on our enemies no matter where they nest.
	Yeah, no, and already the children's workshop has said, please take that off the air.
	We know why you am using Big Bird.
	But this is so, a buddy of mine on the radio in Holland asked me to do a little report for him, and I sent him this.
	I said, this is how insane we are in America, and this is actually the conversation.
	We are literally talking about this.
	And here's a president who has put, let me count.
	Zero bankers in jail.
	Zero.
	And has the nerve and the gall to do this.
	It makes my stomach turn.
	It's pretty sickening.
	Yeah.
	I mean, do they think it's funny?
	I mean, if it was on the Colbert Report or Jon Stewart, yeah, it would be funny there.
	But this is like what they're taking the billion dollars that they're collecting and they're doing this with it?
	Yeah.
	Why don't they just do a comedy show?
	Well, they have such disdain and such disrespect for the electorate, for the American people.
	And unfortunately, they're pretty much right that the majority of people think this is hilarious and they love this and they're looking for singers and they're looking for all these little cool things they can tweet about.
	And of course, a population gets the government it deserves.
	People who watch this and like it, You know, I spit on you.
	I mean, you should be tased.
	Severely.
	They probably will get tased.
	Well, yeah.
	Everyone will.
	That's the irony.
	Eventually, everyone will be tased.
	I'm going to show myself old by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda.
	And you'll be tased, too.
	Yeah.
	That's right.
	That's our slogan for today, John.
	Eventually, everyone gets tased.
	Everyone gets tased.
	Everyone gets tased.
	Don't worry.
	There's plenty enough for everyone to go around.
	John Critchley in Forch someplace in the UK. Best wishes and hoping to get the job back in the UK writing Pearl, if it's the right move for me.
	Play the appropriate, please, which I believe is a karma shot.
	Oh, we have that for him, of course.
	You've got karma.
	Kessia Wright in Warsaw, Virginia, $150 with no comment.
	Dean Roker, East...
	Well, let me stretch this thing out here.
	East Grinstead.
	West Sussex, $133.
	A long-time listener, $5 a month subscriber.
	Check it to make sure.
	I couldn't turn down the call for 33 donations for 10, 11, 12, but wanted to give a little extra because yours really is the best podcast in the universe, so I donated 133, and I think all the boners out there should think hard about what you guys do and pony up so Adam is in force to look for more voiceover work.
	This is going to be my first donation on the way to a knighthood, possibly like a MILF shout-out from my smoking hot wife, Simone.
	It's our sixth winning anniversary on 10-13-12.
	And two to the head, shut up slave karma for my new business, RKR Technology, just starting out, providing encrypted off-site backup for small businesses.
	Okay, should we do this?
	By the way, it'll give a 10% discount if they mention best podcast in the universe.
	The website is rkrtech.co.uk.
	All right, here we go.
	That's one mother I'd like to find.
	You've got karma.
	Wouldn't it be a bad idea backing up to the UK? What do you mean?
	What do you mean backing up?
	Oh, you mean...
	Having local backup that can be compromised.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	I mean, Switzerland also has a lot of backup operations.
	How about just onto a CD-ROM? Well, you'd have to...
	I can't believe you, of all people, is advocating a cloud backup service.
	No, I'm just saying, if you're going to back up, you do have to have off-site.
	My backups are all here, but I have one off-site.
	And this is a perfect opportunity for me to talk about Carbonite, John, because if you want it back, you've got to back it up.
	We'd be doing that if we'd taken ads.
	But no, I keep a 2-terabyte hard disk in the trunk of my car.
	Oh, really?
	In the trunk of your car?
	Interesting.
	I carry around a USB drive on my keychain, which has the most important things.
	Well, I have too many important things.
	I got a lot of photos, for example, and I can't put them on anything.
	Oh, say no more.
	Yeah, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
	The photos, eh?
	Yes.
	Michael Klink in Oak Park, Illinois, once to 116, like to make it a 10-12.
	This would make me a 10-11-12.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	On 10-11-12.
	Karma, in other words, he's over the top.
	Give him a Karma.
	You've got Karma.
	Patrick Mackom in Mount Vernon, New York.
	1111.
	El Cid Campiador from the fifth column.
	What is the fifth column?
	What is that?
	It's the fifth column.
	It's the one step after the fourth estate.
	It's the underground.
	Oh, okay.
	Oklahoma, 100.
	I'm going to look that up for a second.
	You've got karma.
	Fifth column.
	You know, because I never really thought about it.
	Fifth column.
	While you're doing that, I'll thank Sir Jesse Wilson from Hobart, Indiana.
	His first donation as a knight.
	Oh.
	99.99 is 33.
	33 times 3.
	Karma, please.
	Very nice.
	Like it.
	You've got karma.
	From the Book of Knowledge, a fifth column is a group of people who clandestinely undermine a larger group such as a nation from within.
	A fifth column can be a group of secret sympathizers of an enemy that are involved in a sabotage within military defense lines or a country's borders.
	We are the fifth column, John.
	I like this.
	Yes, but we're after the media.
	Matthew Lower, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 77-77.
	Keep it great work and congratulations on five years.
	I'm requesting some gambling karma from my upcoming trip to Las Vegas.
	Good luck with that.
	Yeah.
	Hoping to find better craps.
	It was that I found on my last trip.
	Go to the smaller clubs.
	When I thought about it, but failed to make a donation then.
	Now he wants to.
	All right.
	Well, all right.
	Good luck.
	Good luck.
	You've got karma.
	We don't advocate that, but good luck.
	We can't control it.
	We can't give it to you.
	We can only do as you ask.
	And Jonathan Marcus would agree with that.
	He's in San Antonio, Texas in Game 70, saying, I don't believe in Elvis.
	I don't believe in Kennedy.
	I don't believe in karma.
	But I do believe in propagating the formula.
	Please keep hitting people in the mouth.
	Will do.
	Sir Thomas Nussbaum and Virginia Beef.
	Virginia Beef.
	Virginia Beef.
	And, uh-oh.
	Oh my goodness!
	69!
	69, dude!
	Okay, one more week of this.
	Last week.
	Is this the last week?
	I mean, we don't even encourage this.
	No.
	This, of course, is Sir Thomas Nussbaum, who came to our D.C. show, drove up from Virginia Beach with St.
	Nicole, who are getting the ring, and I guess that's all being taken care of, and Mimi's all over that.
	Well, yeah, apparently it was stolen, but there's another one coming out, Express Mail.
	Karma for Mickey, Adam, John, and Mimi.
	Five more years of the best podcast in the universe.
	That's so kind of you.
	We'll take it.
	You've got karma.
	Kyle Ferenc in Aurora, Ontario, 6969.
	My Uncle Kerry gave me karma in June.
	Yeah, I'm a little behind on the episodes, and yes, it worked.
	I was in line to get fired from work and instead got a raise.
	Right!
	In disrespect, I'd like to give an in-the-morning karma shot to my Uncle Kerry and to trigger karma.
	I recently got my black badge and I'm ranking quite well in IPSC with my new G-Lock 34.
	Glock 34.
	I thought he was talking about coding.
	Hey, man.
	I'll bust a cap with my G-Lock in you, boy.
	G-Lock.
	My Glock 34.
	Thanks again, Uncle Kerry, and thanks, guys, for the best podcast in the multiverse.
	In the morning.
	Yo, brah!
	Step back, brah!
	Yeah, yeah, we get the point.
	You made your point.
	Sir Christian Herzog, Elwood, Illinois, 6969.
	Sir Zog.
	I can't let the 5th anniversary nor a date like 10, 11, 12 slip by without a little something for the effort.
	I also worry that the 6969 meme might end in light of 55-55 for this episode.
	So I'm choosing to diverge from the commemorative amount in an attempt to stave off the inevitable for yet another week.
	If I could grab a little vote for jobs, two to the head karma, I'd appreciate it.
	And I'd keep my karma stash ready for when I need it or when somebody else might need it.
	Okay.
	Let's vote for the jobs to the head, Karma.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got Karma.
	I had it.
	You nailed it.
	Baron Von Pelsmacher.
	Yay!
	69-69.
	Good to have him back.
	He's back in action.
	My first donation this year is things are not well in the Barony.
	Uh-oh.
	Yeah, I figured it was about time to help with the production of the best podcast in the universe again.
	Regardless of this personal trials and tribulations, I once am listening to the show shortly after they are produced, but like many producers, I used to...
	Listen.
	Listen to many episodes weeks later.
	As you showed again on the last episode, though, since you are both so far ahead of the curve in the news, as we pointed out earlier, by the time some producers listen to the show, it will be totally actual, on the spot.
	Yeah, that's actually a good idea.
	Wait three weeks and you'll be nailing it.
	And you'll still be a week ahead.
	I would like to request an Italian shut-up-slave, two-to-the-head douchebag call-off.
	For the future ex-baroness.
	What?
	Herewith open the vacancy for the next baroness of Belgium.
	Wait a minute.
	So there's an opening for a baroness in Belgium.
	And he also says...
	That, you know, you're Dutch.
	When you go to Holland, you're getting laid so bad, my friend.
	Just say that.
	What you just said there was great.
	Italian shut-up slave to the head douchebag.
	Shut up, slave!
	Sta zitto, schiavo!
	It was a complicated sequence, but we got through it.
	Richard Harriman in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, 6969.
	I'm never sure what to say with these donations, but first things first, I want to wish the most beautiful and amazing Dr.
	Christina Lake a very happy birthday.
	Hmm.
	Which will be on Friday.
	I happen to be lucky enough to be engaged to marry her.
	Having her in my life is a true blessing and a gift on a daily basis.
	I also want to thank you, Adam and John, for all the work you put into the show.
	May I have a MILF in the morning karma for Christy?
	MILF! That's one mother I'd like to.
	In the morning!
	You've got karma.
	Tight!
	The, um...
	I guess I forgot which...
	Maybe it's in the notes here.
	One of our producers wrote this thing.
	I've been trying to...
	I guess the male thing puts off a lot of...
	Women?
	Feminists.
	Feminists.
	Call me back, John, because you're cutting out a lot again.
	It's just not worth it.
	I wonder how that works, by the way.
	Because I can hear the...
	It's really funny what happens, because Skype will just hold back on a word, and then the word will come out, and then you can hear Skype catching up.
	Does that make any sense?
	Yeah, this is a very old algorithm that I've seen in the past, but I haven't seen it recently, but it's starting to show up.
	I noticed this when I did the podcast with Horowitz.
	Okay, so it's not just us.
	He would say something, but you'd still hear it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And it would still be in time.
	Yeah, it's very...
	I don't like it.
	Let me ask you a question.
	How would you rate the overall quality of this call?
	Two stars.
	Two stars?
	No.
	It's one star.
	No, one star means you can't hear the guy at all.
	Problem so bad the call was impossible.
	Had several...
	Okay, two stars.
	Wow.
	You're, like, honest.
	Choose all that apply.
	The call did not connect.
	None of the above.
	You suck and you blow.
	Okay.
	Send feedback.
	Okay, good.
	Let's continue.
	Thanks for taking the time to tell us what you think.
	Get help with your call quality issues.
	Read about call quality now.
	They should just say, screw you.
	What do you expect for nothing?
	This feedback thing is the same as the button on the crossing light.
	You know there's just two wires at the back there that ain't doing anything.
	Beep, beep, beep.
	Sir Jason Stevens lost wages, Nevada.
	69-69.
	I know you love it.
	And he says, I hope I made the cutoff, from happy lost wages, Nevada.
	What does it say?
	Yeah.
	Can I get a trains good, planes bad?
	Send off for the NDAA FEMA camp.
	Definitely not drunk.
	No, sir.
	Nor trains good, planes bad.
	Woo-hoo!
	69! 69, dibs!
	Yay!
	And that's it, right?
	We're done.
	Yeah, that's it.
	And that'll probably be it for the 69 moment.
	I doubt we'll get any more of those.
	Justin Johnson in Winter Park, Florida, 6666.
	While we're waiting on checks for our business to find out...
	What?
	To find their way out of the USPS black hole after 15 days, we decided to pay you instead.
	Instead of paying the electric bill.
	Wait a minute.
	Go back again.
	We're waiting on checks for our business to find their way out of the USPS black hole after 15 days.
	We decided to pay you instead of our electric bill.
	Wow.
	So here's Justin.
	He's in Winter Park, Florida.
	He is waiting for checks that for some reason are stuck in the postal service.
	And instead of paying the electric bill, they decided to support the best podcast in the universe.
	Thank you.
	That's dedication.
	A round of applause for Justin.
	The best part was that it was my wife's initiative to do it.
	That might have something to do with Adam's sexy voice.
	Oh, yeah.
	Hey, Beth.
	Hey, Beth.
	Thank you so much.
	And in case they turn off the electricity, don't worry.
	I'll keep you warm.
	Love the show and all your hard work.
	33 bucks from each of us and 33 cents for each of our human resources.
	They place no value on their human resources.
	33 cents.
	Eric Bottenfield in Park City, Illinois.
	55.55 in the morning.
	Best podcast in the universe.
	55 in honor of it.
	I'd like to wish my brother and all-around great guy Phil Paxton a happy 33rd.
	We got them on the list.
	In honor, I give 2333 this donation to go towards my knighthood credit, but still keep 2222 in order to alleviate my boner status.
	Oh.
	So please wish Phil a happy birthday, and he needs a simple de-douching in half a karma.
	Okay.
	You've been de-douched.
	You've got...
	I was wondering how you were going to do that.
	You got the harp.
	You get the harp.
	You get a little bit of K. A little bit of K. Hey, man.
	Listen.
	Don't mess with me.
	Anthony Di Carvalho.
	Di Carvalho.
	Di Carvalho.
	Port Lauderdale, Florida.
	Carvalho.
	Carvalho.
	It's Carvalho, my friend.
	The most interesting man in the universe.
	For Lauderdale, Florida, 55-55.
	Wanted to send out a February 5th and send out a magic number 33.
	Challenge all the boners out there on 10, 11, 12.
	For every 33 paid subscribers to DailySkew.com, he will donate $5 to No Agenda.
	So DailySkew.com on Kindle.
	Not sure what that is.
	Oh, no.
	It's DailySkew.
	It's cool.
	Oh, we've talked about it before?
	Yeah, and it's S-K-E-W. DailySkew.com.
	As Adam knows, I have a sick child and I'm living in the new American dream of just getting by, yet somehow I find a way to donate.
	So if you can listen to this podcast, you know you can at least afford 99 cents a month and subscribe to the Daily Skew on your Kindle.
	If you've never donated, you can at least help the Daily Skew.
	Help propagate the formula.
	Let me ask you a question.
	So can we just like publish stuff on Kindle?
	And we can charge money for it?
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	Maybe I can publish my pedo book there.
	Daily Pedo Report.
	Maybe.
	Okay, anyway, he needs a...
	He says, in honor of you playing my Bad Company 6969 jingle last episode, he'll pledge to do a 12-12-12 instant night donation.
	If the Daily Skew on Kindle reaches 6,969 subscribers by November 13th.
	Yeah, okay.
	I wish we had 6,969 subscribers, dude.
	But I'll play that for you.
	I still like what he did.
	Alright, so he has the call.
	He wants us to do...
	What is it?
	I lost track of it.
	I'll just give him a little bit of karma.
	That's what he needs, for sure.
	You've got karma.
	These are our 55-55 donations.
	The 26th of October is when we officially celebrate our 5th anniversary.
	And these are all congratulatory donations by Michael at Madja in San Diego.
	55-55.
	Happy birthday, you guys!
	Adam, you moved to Austin just as I left to Southern California.
	Be honest.
	Are you avoiding me?
	Hell yeah.
	When I first listened 2.5 years ago, I thought you guys were crazy, but now I'm in arguments with all my friends and family about how blind we all are.
	I'm starting to think my stepdad from Corn Love in Nebraska is actually a shill for Monsanto.
	Monsanto broke my mom and dad up so he could infiltrate my family.
	Oh.
	Really?
	Anyway, I don't want no stinking karma or a de-douching.
	Instead, can I just get a Plains Good, see something, say something.
	Thanks for being the best news source in the multiverse.
	Plains Good, Plains Bad.
	If you see something, say something.
	Patrick Coble in Nashville, Tennessee.
	Four or five.
	Sir, Patrick Coble, to you.
	I want to say congratulations on making it five years with the Value for Value model.
	It's been a way to get...
	It's been way too long since my last donation.
	I need to get some karma.
	Simple PR propagation discovered equals everyone should make their home and work wireless.
	SSID, aka the network name, noagendashow.com.
	Yes, with the password in the morning.
	That's our standard.
	That's our standard way of doing it.
	That's right.
	In the morning.
	Thank you so much.
	Alan Schaff in St.
	Paul, Minnesota Nuts.
	55-55, no comment.
	Really?
	Minnesota Nuts?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Sir Russell Williams in Boise.
	Boise, Idaho.
	No, it's Boise.
	Boise.
	Boise.
	And it's the home of the Boise State football team.
	Yeah.
	No need to mention the S in my name since.
	As was pointed out to me by a friend, the S now stands for Sir.
	Thanks for the great five years.
	The way this Skype is going, it's not going to be another five minutes.
	Breaking up again?
	Yeah.
	You want to call me?
	Let's do mumble, man.
	We have so much success.
	The whole show is about mumble.
	Yeah, I'll try calling you and see if that helps.
	Yeah, after the show, we're actually going to test and see if we can get it back together with Mumble.
	I do think it's a pretty good system.
	And we're back.
	Keep on rolling.
	Where was I? Sir Russell.
	Okay, Shane Pettin in Cartersville, Georgia, 5555, driving down the road.
	My wife lists no agenda.
	When the donation segment started, she laughed and she's...
	I said she couldn't believe people actually sent money to you guys.
	Hey.
	I looked at it in a dismay and informed her I was about $11.11 a month producer and I also made larger donations in the past and even gave her a MILF call out once.
	She rolled her eyes and called me a moron.
	I told her if she ever insulted this podcast in the universe or its producers again, I would divorce her bitch ass.
	Wait a minute.
	Please give my wife a douchebag call out.
	Douchebag.
	Like my awesome travel blog, Fotovia.org.
	F-O-T-O-V-I-A. Wow!
	This is hardcore.
	I mean, he's right, of course.
	That's hot.
	That is hardcore.
	Yeah, you've got to put her in her place, but still, I mean, that is pretty, pretty.
	I'm just saying, stand her there with a book on her head and a chopstick in her mouth.
	Exactly.
	On one leg.
	That's where you're going to be headed if you don't start waking up.
	Exactly.
	Wait a minute.
	Can I just hear you say that one more time?
	That's where you're going to be headed if you don't start waking up.
	No, but you've got to do the whole thing.
	You're just going to use it as a free show clip.
	You're trying to use me.
	No.
	I would like to...
	Okay.
	Well, it's not funny anymore.
	No, never.
	Just go.
	Just keep going.
	Steven Sevchuk in West Orange, New Jersey.
	Happy anniversary.
	The slaves just want some karma.
	That's right.
	Hey, it's right near my old hood, man.
	Near Verona and Montclair.
	West Orange.
	Hello.
	You've got karma.
	Jersey.
	Ashir Osman Haro, Middlesex, 5555.
	Lee Donaghy in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, 5555.
	Just getting buy money.
	David Lindbergh, Rochester, New York, 5555.
	Keep the good work.
	Sir Spike in Hamilton, Ohio.
	Been a while since I checked in.
	Some value for values would better time to congratulate you on an awesome five years.
	Thanks for all the hard work.
	Keep hitting them in the mouth.
	Jeremy Cooper, Toronto, Ontario.
	Birthday from his girlfriend, Kelly.
	Got it.
	Oh, that's cool.
	Lawyer Enterprises, La Mesa, California, 5555.
	Thank you for the best podcast in your Remember, it's only my second donation.
	I was just barely getting by.
	That said, I hit people in the mouth whenever I get the chance.
	I want to thank you for the karma you sent me my way.
	When I donate in June, enrollment at our Marshall Arts School is up.
	And our master instructor sold a few more Kindle books.
	Please send my instructor, Scott Conway.
	With one T? Pronounce it with one T. No, that's just Scott.
	With one T, so the karma goes to the right place.
	You've got to pronounce it right, man.
	Do it again.
	You didn't say it right.
	Scott.
	You didn't do it right.
	One T. Otherwise, I would have pronounced it Scott.
	His emotional IQ is being offered free on October 11th, and his extra download would certainly boost his ratings.
	Thanks again, John and Adam.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Anyway, give him a karma.
	Give this boy a karma.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Uh-oh.
	You've got karma.
	I can't wait to take my test.
	I think I'm taking it in 10 days, my ham test.
	Oh, yeah.
	Why don't we just do the hookup on ham and just say over, over, over.
	Can we duplex?
	We can duplex.
	That's legal, right?
	You can duplex it.
	Marysville, Kansas.
	Actually, the repeater is full duplex.
	Marysville, Kansas, 5555.
	Bob Kepford.
	That's an anonymous donation.
	Bob Kepford in Carruthers, California, 5510.
	Keep assassinating the media and mention my weekly newsletter for Drupal developers, theweeklydrop.com.
	We could use a Drupal developer.
	We could use a weekly newsletter.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	We do have one.
	John Fitzgerald, Wes Islip, New York.
	Islip.
	Islip is what I said.
	You went Islip.
	Islip.
	It's Islip.
	Okay, 5451.
	First time donor needs a dedouching.
	Send some karma to our servicemen and women.
	Finally, rest in peace, Ray Bradbury, on show 451.
	Absolutely.
	You've been dedouched.
	You've got karma.
	That's right, boys and girls.
	It's for you out there.
	Aaron Magoffin, or Magoffin, in Woodstock, Ontario, 5150.
	Please help me congratulate Sir Joe Cool Design on his birthday this week with a little fluoride in your cup karma.
	I don't, that's a good one.
	I don't know what day his birthday is, and to be frank, I don't know how old he is, but he's got to be pushing 40.
	I should have gotten this no agenda trinket collector, another challenge coin, but I really couldn't be bothered with the hassle.
	Much like finding out the actual date of his birthday.
	Whatever!
	He'll get a kick out of the card.
	Okay.
	Best clawed past and blast in the Omniverse.
	Alright, so that's an interesting one.
	Is it with fluoride karma?
	Yeah.
	Alright.
	The best part of waking up is fluoride in my cup.
	You've got karma.
	Nice one.
	Now, Rosanna Oglesby in San Antone, Texas.
	Right down the road.
	Fifty bucks.
	She says in the morning, I'd like to donate toward my husband's knighthood.
	This is a woman that knows what she's doing.
	I mean, she ain't going to get no divorce.
	This is a woman who is going to get loved and respected and held up on a pedestal like the princess that she is.
	Exactly.
	This is my anniversary gift to Tyler.
	We got married on 10-10-10.
	That's interesting.
	1010 Day, by the way, is a Chinese holiday.
	Oh.
	Yeah, I think it's Taiwan's Independence Day or something.
	It's called 1010 Day, and they have a huge celebration in Chinatown.
	It's all over the United States.
	The last two years have been the best two of my life.
	By the way, it's easy to remember.
	I'd remember an anniversary if you'd get married on something like that.
	101010.
	He's a great husband.
	He works very hard for me to be able to stay at home with an 11-month-old Sierra, even though he doesn't deserve it because...
	He hasn't donated.
	Uh-oh.
	I'd like a de-douching for Tyler.
	I need some travel karma for myself, and I drive to visit my family.
	That's pretty funny.
	It's spread out between Missouri, Illinois, and Indiana.
	I'll donate again before I come home for some karma.
	Thank you for being the best podcast in the universe.
	Travel karma.
	That is so nice.
	De-douching first.
	You've been de-douched.
	And some travel karma for you, woman.
	You've got karma.
	That is a woman and a half.
	She's a brick house.
	Then George, Black Knight George Vanderhorst, 50, and Gert van Tripe.
	Gert van Tripe.
	Tripe.
	Forget it.
	Gert van Tripe.
	Gert van Tripe.
	Get it together, man.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Nailed it.
	Yeah, nailed it.
	Oh yeah, awesome.
	Nailed it.
	Hey, thank you all so very much for our group of producers for this show.
	Yes, thank you for supporting us.
	This was the Fahrenheit 451 edition.
	I'm stepping on you.
	Yeah, you are stepping on me.
	That's really good.
	One guy, by the way, caught with the Bradbury mention.
	What do you mean?
	Oh, with the 451 you mean?
	He mentioned Ray Bradbury.
	Yeah, we got one.
	And of course, we have a 451 member, which is always very cool.
	So please continue to support us.
	Best podcast in the universe.
	They say it because, well, it's true.
	And we do not take political money.
	The Romney and Obama campaign, Democrats and the other guys, Republicans, they're spending a billion dollars each.
	Guess where that money is going?
	Yeah, a little bit to parties and a little bit to jets and stuff.
	Most of it's going to the media who are just messing with you.
	Yeah, and guess where the money's coming from?
	The public.
	Yeah, exactly.
	They're taking your cash and they're giving it to douches.
	Is that what you're saying?
	To the media.
	Yeah, to the media.
	They give you, in turn, bad information.
	What kind of a deal is this?
	It's a shitty deal is what it is.
	No, here's a better deal for you.
	Dvorak.org slash NA. All right, everybody, it's time to celebrate.
	Sir Thomas Nussbaum congratulates himself.
	He celebrates on the 13th.
	It was nice seeing you and St.
	Nicole there in D.C. Richard Harriman congratulates Dr.
	Christina Lake on the 12th.
	That'll be tomorrow.
	Eric Bottenfield says happy birthday to his brother Phil Paxton turns 33 tomorrow.
	Girlfriend Kelly says hey Jeremy Cooper happy birthday to you today and Aaron McGoffin says happy birthday to Sir Joe Cool.
	Thank you all so very much.
	For using our little show to bring congratulations and well wishes of many more years from your buddies here at the No Agenda Show.
	We have got quite a list today, John.
	People are checking in.
	Oh, I'm going to need two swords!
	Yeah.
	Why don't you get your ninja star, your throwing stars out?
	That could actually be kind of handy.
	We've got a lot of guys, but this is very good.
	I'm very happy to see that people are getting in before the end of the year, and...
	Now that is so that they can still receive their night rings.
	And nice to see that everyone's stepping up here and completing the knighthoods just in time for the end of the universe.
	So I'd like to call forward Michael Klink, Joseph Frost, Darren Phillips, Greg Filer, Rick Bressler, and Sir Snorris Dane's wife, Lady Arctic, should be a lady in a moment, should be a dame, and Paul Senkowski.
	All of you have reached the status of knight or dame here at the Noagent Roundtable, so let me chunk all of you in one go.
	Sir Michael, Sir Joseph, Sir Darren, Sir Greg, Sir Rick, Dame Lady Artic, and Sir Paul, welcome to the Knights of the Noagent Roundtable.
	Hookers and blow, rent boys and chardonnay, and what do we have, sushi and geishas?
	Geishas and sake.
	Hot pants and booze, of course, if you want.
	Thank you all very, very much.
	This is very exciting to have such a list today.
	I'm humbled.
	I like it's on 451, which is the homage to Fahrenheit 451.
	Yes, it is.
	By Ray Bradbury, which is a very good story.
	We were talking...
	You know, about the campaign stuff.
	And Gary Johnson, very interesting.
	He was interviewed.
	Hold on a second.
	Somehow, for some reason, I've gotten duplicate clips here.
	He was interviewed, and something that I did not know...
	It came to light about the way that the elections take place in these United States of Gitmo Nation.
	So for those of you who don't know, we have these debates, and it's rigged because there's only two people invited to the party, except the last, was it Ross Perot?
	He was invited to.
	There was a three-way debate.
	Yeah, it caused a problem.
	Yeah, because he made sense.
	But he also had like a billion dollars of his own, so he was able to buy in.
	You know, he would pony up to the bar.
	And, you know, it's just like me running for 2016 along with John.
	You know, we're not going to get in.
	And I've deconstructed a little bit of that.
	But here's something very interesting I did not know as Gary Johnson is interviewed.
	It's really the issue.
	My name isn't included in the poll.
	But when it is included, it's always a surprise on the upside.
	You were not included in the CPD debates.
	The CPD is the campaign...
	What does it stand for again?
	CPD? I gotta look it up.
	No, I got it here.
	It's the...
	Campaign...
	A Commission on Presidential Debates.
	So these are the guys that determine who's in the debate, who gets on television.
	So he's not included in the debates.
	However...
	Three sponsors have walked away from those debates.
	Yeah, terrific!
	I mean, it's unprecedented, and they're making a statement, not so much in support of Gary Johnson, but just that, hey, this isn't a fair process.
	It's not a two-party country.
	It's not a two-party country, and there's no opportunity for a third voice ever, given the setup.
	I think that's what they're saying.
	You filed lawsuits to get into those debates, even still into the two remaining debates, correct?
	Exactly, exactly.
	Do you think you have any chance of getting into those debates?
	Well, you sure don't have a chance if you don't file the suit.
	So we filed the suit and we're filing it on antitrust grounds, which is a new look at this, something different.
	And, you know, you don't stand a chance if you don't file the suit.
	So I really enjoyed hearing that three of the sponsors of the Commission on Presidential Debates, who essentially pay for the television broadcast, have pulled out.
	And I'm going to tell you which ones they are.
	If I could find them here.
	Here we go.
	Sponsors dropped out.
	Who was pulled out?
	Philips Electronics.
	It's very interesting when you find out who these sponsors are.
	Philips Electronics is pulled out, as has the British...
	Advertising firm BBH and the YWCA, the Young Women's...
	What is that?
	What's the C in YWCA? Young Women's Christian Athletics, is that it?
	Athletics Association?
	Yeah, I think.
	So if you look at the sponsors for this year, they are...
	I don't know what the A means anymore.
	Yeah, the ones that are left over are Southwest Airlines, which I find very disappointing because I like them so much, and I think I'm going to have to not fly with them anymore because they're a part of this douchebag cabal.
	The Kovler Fund, just like some banker.
	International Bottled Water Association, long-time sponsor, by the way, if you look.
	They've been sponsoring these debates for many, many years.
	The Anheuser-Busch Company, so I'm not drinking any Budweiser anymore, but here's an interesting one.
	The Howard G. Buffett Foundation.
	Do you have any idea who Howard G. Buffett is?
	Is it related to Warren Buffett?
	Yeah, it's his son.
	And so these are the people that sponsor it.
	I pulled their Form 990 because, of course, they're a non-profit.
	Here's how it works.
	In the non-election years, they make about $50,000 a year.
	In the election years, it's about $6 million.
	Huh!
	How does that work?
	And their mission here, I'm reading from the forum, organize, produce, finance and publicize the general election debates for candidates for president and vice president of the United States of America.
	Other related educational activities are held in non-debate years such as conferences and symposiums, which I think should be symposia, but that's up to them.
	So I think it's very cool that Gary Johnson has said, you know, screw it, I'm suing you on antitrust.
	I should be in the debate.
	And I think he's absolutely right.
	He has no chance whatsoever of getting in, but it is important that people try this.
	I think that's good.
	I like him even more for that.
	Well, it was probably Ross Perot's being in the debate in the first place that caused the original sponsors of these debates, which was the League of Women Voters, to withdraw their sponsorship because apparently, and this is in the wiki, you can read it, After the Bush-Dukakis campaign secretly agreed to a memorandum of understanding that would decide which candidates could participate in the debates,
	in other words, no third party, and which individual panelists were able to ask questions, and the height of the podiums.
	As you remember, there was kind of a weird scandalous thing about the various sites.
	Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, John, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
	Do you know what that means?
	Count me down, baby.
	Count me down.
	Count me down.
	Five?
	Four?
	No, no, not quite.
	No, I need a little bit more in two.
	Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15!
	All right, let's get back.
	Back to business.
	Anyway, the height of the podiums, you remember that there was a scandal about the podium heights being this and that.
	Anyway, the league rejected the demands and released a statement saying that they were withdrawing support for the debates because, quote, the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter.
	Which they do!
	Yes!
	Exactly.
	And bingo, now we got what we got.
	You know, I was thinking about this.
	About our whole value for value model.
	And let's just point out that these sponsors who pulled out this year, they pulled out because they say it's not non-partisan, it's bipartisan.
	It's only two people who get to play, and it's bullcrap.
	And it's like, you didn't know that?
	Really?
	Okay, you went through all the paperwork and you sponsored, and now you're like, oh, gee, this is not so good.
	Like, you only know this now?
	Yeah.
	Stupid morons.
	Anyway, I'm glad they pulled out.
	I have a feeling, John, that you and I, I think we could do a presidential campaign on Kickstarter.
	Well, if they would allow it, it's possible.
	Why wouldn't they allow it?
	I don't know.
	They have their, I don't know, nobody knows.
	It's a secret.
	Oh, okay, secret.
	Well, we should work on that.
	And Gary Johnson, because, you know, you are considering voting for him.
	I think I'm considering voting.
	I'm not considering.
	You are voting for him.
	I'm torn.
	I'm still on the fence.
	I think Roseanne Barr is also interesting.
	I'm not saying I won't vote for her.
	Mm-hmm.
	Here he is about his tax plan.
	Do you know about Gary Johnson's tax plan since you're voting for him?
	I don't know anything anymore.
	I don't know about his plans.
	All I know is that he's pretty.
	He's got a pretty face and he talks softly.
	He carries a big stick.
	That's the only reason you vote.
	I would have voted for Romney, but I don't like the fact that he likes torturing people.
	I'm advocating eliminating income tax, corporate tax, abolishing the IRS, replacing our entire federal tax system with one federal consumption tax.
	I am advocating the fair tax.
	Let me ask you about that real quick.
	Fair tax meaning no separate corporate tax?
	Exactly.
	No corporate tax.
	Income tax.
	No income tax.
	No IRS. No IRS. No IRS. Simple consumption tax.
	Replace all of it with one federal consumption tax.
	In this case...
	Is it staggered?
	Nope.
	Nope.
	What would the rate be?
	23%.
	But it ends up being cost neutral over a very short amount of time.
	And let me use a can of Coke as an example.
	A can of Coke that sells for a dollar today arguably has 23% embedded non-transparent tax.
	In its can of Coke.
	And that would be corporate tax that Coca-Cola pays.
	It would be Social Security that Coca-Cola pays as a match.
	And by the way, under the fair tax, there would no longer be withholdings from your payroll check.
	No more withholdings for Social Security, Medicare, unemployment.
	All of that would come out of the proceeds of the fair tax.
	Governor, you've advocated...
	Throw in a blowjob and I'm voting for you.
	I don't even think he needs to do that much.
	This is as good as my $40,000 rebate.
	It was $30,000, by the way.
	Oh, I jacked it up.
	It's great.
	I love it.
	No, you can't put a guy like that on the stage because everyone in their right...
	Nobody in their right mind would vote for the other two guys.
	Yeah, they'd be like...
	You have to vote for this guy.
	There's a bunch of people out there.
	I don't get these people, but there's a bunch of people out there.
	Well, I think we need taxes and taxes are good.
	And, you know, these tax nuts that think that the bigger, the more tax we pay, the better off we are.
	Is that massive tax nuts?
	Is that where they're from?
	Massive Tax Nuts.
	Massive Tax Nuts.
	Hey, man, like a big Massive Tax Nuts.
	That's a good one.
	Some talk show guy could pick up on Massive Tax Nuts.
	That is actually a show title.
	I think that's a show title.
	Massive Tax Nuts.
	Massive Tax Nuts.
	I'm from Massive Tax Nuts.
	What?
	But isn't that, first of all, a consumption tax?
	Is that like VAT? Is that basically what he's saying?
	Is that the same?
	Yeah, but there wouldn't be anything else.
	But it is dangerous.
	Yeah, but it is dangerous because then they can start cranking that up.
	Yeah, it is.
	In fact, do you realize before the income tax laws were passed, before we had it in the turn of the century, before they cropped up, do you know how we finance the government?
	90% of the financing of the government was done through tariffs.
	PayPal donations?
	No, it's tariffs.
	So all the junk that we're, this is what he should go after, all the junk we're buying from China, that's what got taxed.
	At all kinds of different rates.
	And that money is what went to the government to pay for things.
	You want to buy junk from China?
	Go ahead.
	Just pay for it.
	Well, that's a good idea.
	I'd like to...
	In 2016, when you and I run on the Kickstarter campaign, sounds good, I'm in total agreement.
	I think we should really up the ante on imports and get people making some crap here at home.
	In fact, if you make something through a Kickstarter campaign, you will not be taxed for anything.
	If it's a value for value model, right?
	So if you raise funds from your customers, I'm not going to tax you on anything.
	And I'll give you a blowjob.
	You heard him.
	That's part of my campaign.
	And you can visit him in Austin, Texas.
	He's listed.
	That's right.
	You can find me on the Googles.
	Meanwhile, President Obama came out and said, and once again, this is my pet peeve.
	This is my pet peeve.
	After 30 years of inaction, we raise fuel standards so that by the middle of the next decade, your cars and trucks will go twice as far on a gallon of gas.
	And today, the United States of America is less dependent on foreign oil than at any time in two decades.
	So now it's time to move forward.
	My plan would cut our oil imports in half and invest in the clean energy that's creating thousands of jobs all across Ohio and America right now.
	Not just oil and natural gas, but solar and wind and clean coal technology and fuel-efficient batteries and fuel-efficient cars.
	And I'm not going to let oil companies continue to collect another $4 billion in taxpayer-funded corporate welfare every single year.
	All right.
	He's talking about Section 199 of the IRS Tax Code.
	This has been around for 100 years, Section 199.
	Anything that is produced in the United States, including software, including movies, radio programs, in fact, arguably podcasts, if we were a corporation, which we're not, Get these tax breaks, just like oil companies.
	This is not some favoritism that the oil companies have been receiving.
	It's because they make so much money and pay so much in taxes already that they benefit to the tune of billions for Section 199.
	It would be discriminatory.
	So it's okay to just say, I'm going to cut these guys off, but don't pretend like they've been getting some kind of free ride.
	You're a lying sack.
	Adam C. Curry's pet peeve of the day.
	I just hate, I just can't stand it when that is a lie that people never propagate, never say, hold on a second, it's just bullcrap!
	It was brought up a couple of times and Romney brought it up in the debate.
	But you know, Obama wasn't paying attention, so.
	He was sleeping.
	He was sleeping.
	Sleeping.
	Hey, so we might as well talk about that briefly.
	So tonight we have Douchebags Round 2.
	Yeah, these guys are worse than the other two.
	Here's my feeling.
	Biden, he's got a woody right now.
	He is so hard for this.
	He's like, I'm going to come out there, I'm going to kick this bitch's ass.
	I can't wait to see.
	This should really be a fun one.
	He has a good shot, by the way, of looking really good.
	He's a dingbat.
	There's no way he's going to look good.
	I don't know.
	He's going to play dirty.
	He always does.
	I don't think there's a question at all about that.
	He's going to play real dirty.
	A couple of things are going to happen.
	This is my take.
	One is that...
	There was a lot of criticism of Obama for not using all the zingers they wrote.
	Zingers!
	They apparently had a bunch of zingers.
	Zingers!
	Yeah.
	Dropped on.
	And there were some of them floating around.
	They said, well, he could have said this, he could have said that, and there were zingers.
	Oh, Biden is going to grab the zingers.
	He says, I can use these.
	And he's going to use, because he's not funny, and he thinks he is, he's going to use them at inappropriate moments.
	And here's, I can guarantee you, at least one Big Bird mention and one Sesame Street versus Wall Street.
	Yeah, probably.
	Maybe even more.
	And a 47% mention, which everyone criticized.
	And he's going to call them out for lying.
	He's going to say, Romney is lying.
	He's going to say this to Ryan, that your boss is lying.
	He's going to say lying.
	This is what the Democrats are all angry about.
	Obama didn't call him out for being a liar, man!
	You see, you have to understand, American people, the electorate in general is stupid.
	Not people who listen to this show because they're switched on and awake and they know what's happening.
	And they know that it's all bull crap.
	It doesn't matter who you vote for.
	The bankers run the show.
	But the Democrats or liberals or progressives or whatever they call themselves...
	They literally believe that you can present a case of reason and people will then make an informed decision.
	Now, you're stupid.
	This is not the way it works.
	You can't dumb down a population for four, five decades of television indoctrination and selling them sugary coated cardboard and think that they're now smart.
	You just got to go with the lie.
	That's what we love.
	That's why Ron Lee's brilliant.
	He's going up there and Ryan, if he's smart, he's going to say, it's not true.
	I don't know what you're talking about, man.
	We walk on water and I'm going to give every one of you a blowjob.
	I'm telling you.
	And people will lap it up.
	They will lap it up.
	I mean, you got to tell me I'm right.
	I think, well, I don't know if he's that smart, but I think you're generally right.
	By the way, this is how we're going to do it, too.
	We're just going to go, when we run for office, we're like, we're going to give you $30,000 a year.
	Twice.
	40.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I was lying.
	It's 40,000.
	Twice.
	Times two.
	We're going to do that.
	We are...
	Oh, by the way.
	Weed.
	Are you kidding me?
	We're going to drop seeds.
	We're going to airlift seeds and drop them in every single public park so that weeds are just growing everywhere.
	You can go ahead and you harvest that.
	You can smoke up.
	We're just going to lie.
	Actually, I'm planning on doing that part.
	That sounds kind of fun.
	Did you read that New York Times article about attention deficit disorder?
	Uh...
	No, I guess you missed it.
	No, I... What?
	No, it was about Michael Anderson.
	What?
	New York Times?
	Well, you...
	What?
	You subscribed to it.
	Yeah.
	I couldn't pay attention to it.
	I couldn't get through the article.
	This is Dr.
	Michael Anderson.
	The attention...
	The title of the...
	It's under the health section.
	And it's from...
	I think it was from...
	Wednesday or Tuesday?
	The title of it is Attention Disorder or Not...
	Pills to Help in School...
	Oh yeah, this is a great story.
	So, the story is essential, and I'm just going to read the main quote of the article.
	Well, here's the intro.
	When Dr.
	Michael Anderson, this is in Canton, Georgia, Anderson, hears about his low-income patients struggling in elementary school, he usually gives them a taste of some powerful medicine, colon, Adderall, which has the exact chemical compound as cocaine, I might point out.
	And here's the quote.
	I don't have a whole lot of choice, said Dr.
	Anderson, a pediatrician for many poor families in Cherokee County, north of Atlanta.
	We've decided as a society that it's too expensive to modify the kid's environment, so we have to modify the kid.
	That is awesome.
	Yep.
	And it's literally, it's like, that's just what it is.
	Medicaid covers every single penny of the doctor and the prescription.
	And the kids are doing great on Adderall.
	Have you seen the numbers?
	The numbers are up.
	Test scores are great.
	Kids are peppy.
	This year is the worst SAT scores in the history of the United States.
	Well, that's because we haven't propagated enough Adderall.
	The worst ever.
	That's how well they...
	Is that true?
	The guy running the Department of Education.
	Yeah.
	I didn't know that.
	Anyway, people who are getting A's and B's, I won't give it to them, he said.
	For some parents, the pills provide great relief.
	Jacqueline Williams said she can't thank Dr.
	Anderson enough for diagnosing ADHD in her children.
	Eric, who's 15.
	Shakira, who's 14.
	And Shamya, who's...
	Shamya, who's 11, and he also prescribes Concerta, a long-acting stimulant for them all.
	Concerta for all, I tell you!
	She said each was having trouble listening to instructions and concentrating on schoolwork, but now the kids are doing great, and they can stand on one leg with a book on their head and a chapstick between their teeth.
	Awesomeness.
	This is so sad.
	This is so incredibly sad.
	Please, and I've said this before, before you put your kid on Adderall, and I have not tried Concerta.
	What is Concerta?
	Is that the...
	I haven't seen it.
	I think we may have done an ad for it.
	I have a feeling we've done an ad for it as well.
	By the way, not an ad that we got paid for.
	We ridiculed the ads.
	It is methylphenidate.
	Oh, phenidate.
	Fen-fen.
	Oh, okay.
	It's Ritalin.
	So you see, you have the Ritalin, which is the downer, and you have Adderall, which is the upper.
	Actually, Ritalin's an upper, too.
	No, it's not.
	Uh-uh.
	No, no, no.
	Ritalin is...
	I thought it was an upper.
	No, no, no.
	Unless you're needed downer, then it's a downer.
	It's a downer upper.
	No.
	Ritalin is for the kids that are too active.
	Yeah, but...
	But isn't it an upper that has the opposite effect on wild kids?
	No, no.
	I'm looking it up.
	Yeah, you look it up.
	But here's what I understand.
	I've not tried Ritalin.
	I've tried Adderall.
	And please, parents...
	And if you're listening to the show and you're giving your kid Adderall, turn off the podcast and go iron your face.
	You shouldn't even be listening to the show if you're doing that.
	But let's just say it's possible that you've fallen for this trap and you're giving your kid synthetic cocaine, which is just go look it up.
	It is synthetic cocaine.
	Take it yourself.
	See how you do.
	See how you do.
	And don't just take it once.
	Take it like, you know, like the kids being prescribed.
	Three times a day.
	I took this crap once.
	I was tripping out for 14 hours.
	Now the real one I gotta try.
	I gotta try that one.
	And Concerta.
	Does anyone have any leftover Concerta?
	Just get some from your kid and send it to me.
	I want to try this.
	Still no Haldol, by the way.
	Disappointed about that.
	But it is so incredibly sad.
	And I think it was Buzzkill Jr.
	who turned me on to the crystalline structure and has shown me that this is literally cocaine.
	It is legal cocaine.
	There are kids who mosh up Adderall pills and snort them.
	I'm reliably informed.
	Well, there you have it.
	But it has the same structure as cocaine.
	And the Ritalin, I'm not sure.
	Did you look it up?
	Well, it's hard to look it up?
	No, it's easy to look it up, but there's way too much information about it.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	It may cause sudden death in children and teenagers, especially children or teenagers with heart defects or serious heart problems.
	The medication may also cause sudden death, heart attack, or stroke in adults, especially adults with heart defects or serious heart problems.
	Talk to your doctor about the risks of taking this medication.
	Oh, and by the way, Ritalin may slow children's growth or weight gain.
	Your kids will be a midget.
	Your child's doctor will watch his or her growth carefully.
	They must.
	Talk to your child's doctor if you have concerns about your child's growth or weight gain while he or she is taking the medication.
	Hey, he's not growing.
	He stopped growing.
	Hey, he's not growing.
	He's not growing.
	They're beating me up at school, the bullies!
	So I was reading USA Today, and I have to say, you know, we were traveling again, and even though South Worst has a couple of planes with Wi-Fi, I typically won't do it.
	I'm just like, I'm just going to cost eight bucks or something.
	It's ridiculous.
	Yeah, and I was listening to podcasts, and it was nice.
	I got my groovy V-Moda headphones, so it was really cool to zone out for a bit.
	USA Today has been redesigned.
	Have you noticed this?
	Yeah, now they're having a ball, apparently.
	I think they're doing very well.
	Well, the guy that's running it is a friend of mine.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, Larry Kramer.
	He was the guy that started MarketWatch.
	That's how I got my job.
	Really?
	Well, get me a gig writing for USA Today.
	Yeah, he won't take my calls anymore.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Why not?
	You tell me.
	You know what happens.
	What, his name is Larry Kramer?
	Yeah.
	Okay, that's a fake name.
	Come on.
	No, it's a real name.
	Larry Kramer.
	Is he the editor?
	With a K, the editor-in-chief.
	Really?
	So if I send an email and say, hey Larry, it's Adam, John's friend, Yeah, I see.
	He won't take your call.
	Okay.
	So, oh, he looks like a...
	Oh, I know.
	I met this guy.
	Sure you did.
	He used to be in the San Francisco Bay Area.
	He was the editor of the Chronicle for a while.
	Started Market Watch, made a lot of money, bought a new car.
	Oh, right.
	Then he got screwed because when he was running Market Watch, the whole plan was to sell the whole thing lock, stock, and barrel to CBS, who bought CNET. And CBS was outbid by Dow Jones, and Dow Jones took the thing over.
	And then they kind of, you know, let the Dow Jones people tell him what to do, and he got sick of it, left, took a couple other people with him, by the way, recently.
	Did he get a younger wife?
	Not that I know of.
	Listen to this.
	One of Kramer's responsibilities at the Examiner was managing gonzo journalist Hunter S. Thompson.
	Yeah.
	That's when I was there.
	Yeah, he says, if I can manage Hunter, I can manage anybody.
	Except for that Dvorak, man.
	He's out of control.
	Man, we can't take that guy's call anymore.
	It's no good.
	Yeah, so we won't take Mike Paul.
	So I really like what they've done with the USA today.
	I think it looks great.
	Well, he's a smart guy.
	So, I mean, I think the thing will be improved.
	And they're going big time online.
	Well, from what I understand, they had digital designers create the paper version.
	But I'm also, I'm reading articles.
	I'm like, wow, this is pretty good.
	And they had this whole article about children with autism.
	And it was a hilarious article.
	So I read the paper version.
	They had the little QR code.
	I'm like, oh, I'll scan this.
	Then I got the online version.
	That worked, surprisingly enough.
	And so, you know, I mean, as a kid, John, You run away from home, haven't you?
	Why would I run away from home?
	Oh, come on.
	You never said, I'm running away from home, and you went out and you hid under the tree for 30 minutes?
	No.
	Really?
	Why would I? That's dumb.
	Oh, come on.
	Every kid says I'm going to run away from home at least once.
	You never said I'm going to run away from home.
	You never did.
	No.
	Why would I? Well, I don't know.
	Now I feel...
	I had a pleasant home environment.
	Now I feel weird.
	My parents weren't beating me.
	Now I feel weird.
	I had a room and board.
	It was fine.
	They gave me a car.
	I mean, what do you want?
	When I was like six is when I was talking like this.
	Never.
	Okay.
	Well, maybe I'm weird.
	Maybe your parents are mean to you.
	Well, I don't feel good now.
	I was abused.
	Apparently you were.
	Well, anyway, so, you know, if you wander away from safety, i.e.
	from home, there is now a, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recently created a medical diagnostic code for wandering as a condition of autism.
	Ha ha ha.
	So, not only do you have autism if you're spinning, but if you just wander off.
	Every kid in the world wanders off.
	No, every kid in the world.
	Now, that's the fact.
	If you're in the airport, that's why we put our kids on leashes.
	On leashes!
	We do, we do!
	They wander off and now they'd be diagnosed wrong.
	No, now they just get some awesome medicine.
	Save them both.
	Now they get some awesome medicine.
	Yeah, well actually, I wonder how much of this guy giving the medicine to the kids and the parents just grab the medicine and sell it on the black market and tell the kids, now you study hard because if you don't, they know you're not taking the medicine.
	You better study and get A's.
	There'll be no Christmas for you, kid.
	That's what I'd do.
	Okay, so your kids won't run away because of abuse.
	You're just making them get A's.
	Interesting, your kids got A's.
	They're all straight A students.
	Are you selling their Ritalin and their Adderall?
	There you go.
	Supplemental income, Dvorak?
	Wow.
	Entrepreneurship at the earliest stages.
	There you go.
	Wow.
	Awesomeness.
	Wow.
	Alrighty.
	Let's see if I had...
	I mean, I had all kinds of stuff.
	Okay, well, I got some stuff.
	Yeah.
	Walk me home before I wander off.
	Yes.
	Here's a good report.
	Apparently Afghanistan is doomed.
	Oh, really?
	That's news to me.
	There's a warning that the government in Afghanistan could collapse after the withdrawal of Western combat troops in 2014.
	A think tank based in Brussels says President Karzai's government is increasingly unpopular and plagued by corruption and factionalism.
	NATO says it disagrees with the assessment.
	Is this breaking news in the UK? Oh my goodness!
	Afghanistan's a mess.
	One of the stories we haven't covered on this show, and I don't think it's been covered on too many shows, is the Huawei kerfluffle with the U.S. Congress.
	And so I took the report on it right from China News, just before they went into their complaining about the islands.
	Now, wait a minute.
	Huawei is the...
	These guys...
	Huawei, Huawei.
	Huawei.
	They make routers?
	It's the Cisco competitor.
	Yeah, they make routers.
	Essentially, as far as I can tell, they've taken all the patents they could take, made a few of their own, did a deal, and now they're cloning Cisco.
	And there's another company called ZTE, and they've both been banned from selling anything to the U.S. government for reasons that are kind of discussed in this report.
	But this is a two-part clip, and the background is in part one, and you can listen.
	Now to the United States, and a powerful congressional committee is telling American companies not to do business with China's two largest telecommunications companies, Huawei and ZTE. It's the latest in a series of reported concerns about these companies, which nevertheless are increasing their share of the U.S. telecom market.
	Correspondent Jessica Stone has more from Washington.
	Huawei and ZTE, two major telecommunications companies based in China, each doing business in 140 countries around the world, including the United States.
	But on Monday, an explosive report from the U.S. Congress.
	Its chief authors alleged a cozy relationship between the corporations and the Chinese government, allowing Beijing to access and meddle with critical U.S. technological infrastructure.
	Huawei and ZTE seek to expand in the United States, but as a result of our investigation, we do not have the confidence that these two companies, with their ties to the Chinese government, can be entrusted with infrastructure of such critical importance.
	Geez.
	Yeah, well, yeah, actually, that's probably more interesting an observation.
	Anyway, the second part of this clip was, and I'll talk about what interests me about the whole thing after this, is that there has an interesting factoid in it that I thought was fascinating, but also not especially...
	Never mind.
	Interesting.
	Not especially interesting.
	However, we will listen to it.
	It's not especially...
	I can't think of the word.
	The report's evidence?
	The companies failed to explain their relationship with the Chinese government to the satisfaction of the U.S. Congress.
	The companies acknowledge Communist Party offices located on site, which is a common practice, even for Western companies operating in China.
	Exactly.
	The report also points out that Huawei's founder, Ren Zhengfei, served in the Chinese army, and the company still has military ties.
	Okay, so, by the way, if you go to Boeing, and you go into the office area, no.
	Navy's got an office there.
	I mean, this is a cool way to get these free office spaces.
	Everybody does this.
	So there's no big deal.
	But here's what the real thing is.
	This is obviously rigged by Cisco because Huawei is a huge worldwide threat.
	Yeah, of course.
	It's a douchebag company.
	I mean, everybody I've talked to, I've talked to people when I was in Brazil.
	I ran to a guy who worked there and he says these guys are the worst.
	He says their whole marketing strategy, for example, Plus, they follow around an Erickson salesman when it comes to putting big switches in.
	And they go in, which is a great way to sell things.
	How much did he do it?
	Because you're taking a beating.
	How much was that bid?
	And then he goes in and just says, oh, 20% less.
	30.
	Oh, wow.
	30% less.
	30%.
	So you can't outbid them.
	I guess Cisco has decided to push these guys to keep them from coming in here, although there's some phones coming in.
	I think your point about the iPhone is more valid than any concerns that we should have about these routers.
	Not just the iPhone.
	Everything.
	Basically everything I'm looking at right now.
	How about my Mac Mini?
	Everything.
	It's all China stuff.
	Yeah, no, so this is just a, this is trumped up by Cisco and the lobbyists.
	Which, you know, it's, it's, it's, I don't care.
	When are we going to put those Chinas in their place?
	They're never going to happen.
	No?
	Not when they're standing around with a chopstick in their mouth.
	Now that, my friend.
	Taking orders.
	Is the most true thing you have said.
	That's right.
	As long as they can still get their slaves to stand around on one leg with a book on their head and a chopstick in their mouth, there's no way we can beat them.
	We have no discipline.
	No discipline at all, I tell you.
	No, we got noodles kids.
	And you know what?
	They're Chinese noodles!
	They are, actually.
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	At Dvorak.org slash NA. As your value for value proposition for this week, we will look happily forward to seeing you on Sunday for the program.
	Yeah, and don't forget to show 452.
	Wouldn't mind seeing somebody jump on that little meme.
	Yeah, exactly.
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