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	I don't know about your flag, but I wouldn't mind seeing your poll.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Sunday, October 14, 2012.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, episode 452.
	This is no agenda.
	Watching the watchers and fact-checking the fact-checkers.
	From the capital of the drone, Star State, Austin Tejas.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where the fog has rolled in, it's gloomy.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's gloomy.
	Ah, you sound great.
	Well, for as long as it lasts.
	Just don't have me watch any videos.
	Hey, you gotta be using Chrome.
	Did you see the Michael Dunn piece?
	Who's Michael Dunn?
	If you're not listening live to this show, you have no idea why we think this is so hilarious.
	But no, I did not watch them, Michael.
	Who is Michael Dunn?
	No, go to your Twitter feed.
	You get your Twitter open because you tweeted.
	Yeah.
	And there should be an Adam Curry, Michael Dunn.
	I made this.
	I know you'll both appreciate it.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	No, I saw that.
	Yeah, it's pretty...
	His image.
	Yeah, it's pretty good.
	It's great, yeah.
	But did he put it on the art generator?
	Well, I don't think it actually would fit as a logo.
	Maybe.
	Let me see.
	You never know.
	People sometimes...
	Noagendaartgenerator.com.
	I should probably take a look at that.
	No.
	No, it's not.
	Because he's probably not listening anyway.
	Yeah, true.
	So we're on the mumble today to see how that works.
	See if we get any better vibe than Skype.
	So this is a test.
	So far, so good.
	We are exactly two minutes into the show.
	That's great.
	Yeah, and ten minutes late.
	So, any news this week?
	I think there's a few distractions of the week.
	I don't know if there's any real news.
	I have a question for you right off the bat.
	Something has really been bugging me.
	And this is a callback really to the...
	To the presidential, the first presidential debate.
	Of course, we had the vice presidential debate on Thursday evening.
	We might talk about that a little bit.
	But I'm seeing one thing.
	And again, I know a lot of really smart people who are Republicans.
	I know a lot of smart people who are Democrats.
	They're very diehard.
	And the people I know who are Democrats, there's something that's really been bugging me.
	They are using this 15-second clip from the presidential debates, and I'll tell you what people are saying about this.
	I want to get your take on it.
	That's not the case.
	Look, I got five boys.
	I'm used to people saying something that's not always true, but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping I'll believe it.
	But that is not the case, all right?
	I will not reduce the taxes paid by...
	So that clip...
	People are saying he called the president boy!
	To his face!
	Okay.
	So saying that this, what Romney said here was racial, was a racial attack on the president.
	Was a racial attack?
	Why?
	Because he's like, where's the connection between that and racism?
	Because of the word boy.
	Because he's the equivalent of five young white boys.
	I'm telling you, this is a total meme.
	I haven't seen this meme at all.
	You're kidding me.
	No.
	You may be getting into Texas, but I haven't seen it appear at all.
	No, not at all.
	This is everywhere.
	In fact, I'll tell you what.
	This is the one that pissed me off this morning.
	I will read this to you, and then you tell me who wrote this.
	Blog post.
	He called the president boy.
	Oh, it's from the boy thing?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I have five boys.
	Yeah.
	Oh my gosh, you're kidding.
	I'm going to read this.
	I've been seeing this ever since the debate and then showed up this morning on someone's blog and I'm like, okay, now I have to say something because this person is not dumb.
	All right, here's the blog post.
	He called the president boy.
	Just tuned in to a little of the Sunday morning news discussion on various networks.
	The big issue seems to be whether or not VP Biden was disrespectful of Congressman Ryan in the Wednesday debate.
	Yes, he was.
	But I haven't forgotten what Mitt Romney said to President Obama.
	He said the president is like a boy who doesn't tell the truth.
	Look, I've got five boys.
	I'm used to people saying that's not always true, but just keep on repeating until ultimately hoping I'll believe it.
	He called the president boy to his face with 70 million witnesses.
	Watch the video a few times.
	I think this is far more outrageous than anything he said at the 47% dinner in May.
	So, this person is literally saying that this 15 second clip...
	That is not the case.
	Look, I got five boys.
	I'm used to people saying something that's not always true, but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping I'll believe it.
	But that is not the case, alright?
	That that is a racial slur.
	You can Google this, John.
	You can Google and see how many people think that this is a racial slur.
	That it was a smart, a really smart, subtle move.
	That was a tricky, tricky slur.
	Because he gay snuck in the word boys.
	It wasn't even boy, it was boys.
	So who do you think wrote that blog post?
	Well, it would have to be some a-hole.
	Dave Weiner.
	Oh, you're kidding.
	The guy is not dumb.
	He's a very smart guy.
	He's a huge Obama bot, though.
	No kidding, but the people who say this have been programmed.
	Programmed.
	This is actual mind control at work.
	Anyway, okay, so I'm not crazy, right?
	Because I don't like either of these douchebags.
	But I'm not crazy.
	When I hear that, I'm not thinking, he said boys, he called him a boy to his face.
	And don't forget, your reference to douchebags is Romney and Obama, not Weiner.
	No, no, exactly, Romney.
	Because I'll create a scene right now.
	You called him a douchebag.
	You called him a douchebag.
	No, no, no, no.
	I didn't add up.
	Thank you.
	But this is some form of mind control.
	And if you Google this, you'll see that lots of people tuned into this.
	And the only thing I can say is, if you think this when you hear that sentence, you've got to be a racist yourself.
	Oh no, you're a huge racist.
	There's no two ways about it.
	Then you're thinking about these things.
	The Democrats are very racist.
	I mean, let's face it.
	Just go take a look in Palo Alto.
	They've got the whole area.
	Where all the blacks live, they're across the freeway in East Palo Alto living by themselves and they don't like them getting over across the...
	Don't go across the freeway.
	It's like the tracks.
	Stay there.
	It's like the tracks.
	Boys.
	It lives across the tracks.
	And the funny thing is, I think a lot of Europeans don't even know That calling someone boy is racial.
	And that really...
	And in fact, the whole boy...
	I think most people don't even...
	I think most modern Americans don't know the reference.
	That reference is way old.
	Yeah, where is it from?
	It's from the 40s or the 50s or something.
	I have no idea.
	It's way old.
	I mean, nobody...
	You know, I think a few people...
	It's like the references to watermelon and fried chicken that Richard Pryor used to always like to make because it was like to continue the...
	And that's more or less gone away.
	Yeah.
	So I know you didn't Google it, but I'm seeing 118 million results for Romney calling Obama boy.
	Yeah.
	Here, Obama is like a...
	Yeah, I'm telling you.
	I'm telling you.
	And then Ann Romney, of course, compared him to a petulant child.
	So that's also a boy reference.
	I'm telling you.
	Did Romney call Obama a boy?
	Romney calls Obama a boy!
	My goodness, people.
	Get a frickin' grip.
	Yeah, anyway, so that's the state of mind-controlled America, ladies and gentlemen.
	Yeah, that's a good one.
	And I was thinking of posting...
	I'd give you a clip of the day if there was a clip.
	Well, you heard the clip.
	It's just it's not a big deal.
	The thing is, you know, I saw this on Weiner's blog this morning, and I started writing a blog post, or a comment, like, no, this is a mistake.
	This is a mistake.
	This is not my form.
	I should not be writing a response to this.
	I've got to ask John if I'm crazy first.
	So I'm not, obviously.
	Ugh.
	Ugh.
	Well, that's kind of criminal, I think, to be honest about it, that kind of analysis that Weiner would have made, or anybody else, would make the assumption that somebody, hey, yeah, do you have any kids?
	Yeah, I've got two boys and a girl.
	Ah, you racers!
	You're calling Obama a boy!
	What?
	I don't have a boy named Obama.
	It's just, it's making me crazy!
	It's making me crazy when I hear this!
	First of all, let me just say, John, John, in the morning to you, my friend.
	In the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	In the morning to all ships at sea, boots on the ground, subs in the water, feet in the air, and to all our knights out there who have continued to support this show in the best way possible.
	Yes, indeed.
	And to Martin J.J., who brought us our art on the previous episode.
	What is wrong with our other artists that Martin J.J.'s kicking everybody's behind?
	I mean, it's not like...
	We spend a lot of time, by the way...
	After every single show...
	Going over the art.
	We do.
	And we debate it.
	And then in fact, and I don't want to make it sound as though we're trying to even things out a little bit, but I don't care.
	But Adam likes to see other artists get their names up there.
	But...
	After long discussions, Martin J.J. wins again and again.
	And it's just a combination, you know?
	It's just a combination.
	In fact, it's hard to explain.
	It's hard to explain.
	But if anything, we have the debate.
	I'm like, man, again, I mean, we've got to give someone else a shot, but it's just the best stuff.
	So keep going at it, people.
	And always check out all of the art we have.
	And I also use a different art clip for the newsletter.
	True.
	Usually one of the ones that came in second.
	True.
	And I do want to say in the morning to all of the human resources in the chat room, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net, who are always there to keep us on the straight and narrow and to piss me off from time to time, which is sometimes challenging.
	So, of course, I did watch the vice presidential debate, and I have a few comments.
	I don't know.
	I had to take a couple of cups of hard coffee to stay away through that thing.
	And then Biden, of course, now the big deal is whether, you know, there's two sides.
	This is amazing how, this is why, really, seriously, voting third party is the way to go.
	Oh, yeah.
	Because that way you don't have to deal with this crap.
	I would, ran into somebody the other day, I said, yeah, what are you voting for?
	I said, I'm voting for Gary Johnson.
	Yeah.
	Oh, you're going to waste your vote.
	Oh, really?
	The old waste your vote thing?
	You're going to waste your vote.
	Oh, you're wasting your vote.
	I said, oh, really?
	I'm going to waste my vote if I vote for Obama.
	I'm going to waste my vote if I vote for Romney then.
	And who was this person?
	How's this any different?
	I don't care about those two guys.
	Why should I be voting for either one of them?
	Call this person out.
	Who was this?
	I'm not going to do it.
	You know, so we've discussed multiple times that the other candidates are not invited into the debate.
	And this, of course, is the corrupt debates that only have two parties of the, well, there's at least 15 that we've discussed.
	However, Don King, Don King, Don Lemon to the rescue, John.
	CNN steps up to the plate for us.
	So you've seen Obama versus Romney and Biden versus Ryan.
	Tonight, though, a presidential debate you won't see anywhere else.
	Two presidential candidates not afraid to speak their minds about the issues that matter most.
	So now I'm getting excited.
	I'm like...
	Oh my God!
	They're going to do a presidential debate between two other candidates.
	This is huge!
	Kerry Johnson, Libertarian Party nominee, and Jill Stein.
	I'm like, we're going to have the stage, we're going to have the audience, we're going to have Don Lemon as moderator.
	You know, I'm getting moist just thinking about it.
	Green Party nominee.
	They weren't allowed in the official debate, so we brought them here so they could add their voices to the national discussion.
	Now, John, can you understand my excitement at this part?
	I'm like, oh my god.
	Apparently we're suckered.
	We're going to cover a lot of topics from the economy to social issues.
	But as third, even fourth party candidates, I decided to start with the obvious question, though.
	Why are you running?
	I'm running as a mother.
	And now they add it to a Skype conversation.
	She's on Skype, and Gary Johnson's, he's like in some other room.
	They have a tri-screen up.
	This is not a debate.
	And let's just listen to Jill Stein for a moment.
	People ask me what kind of medicine I'm practicing.
	Listen, because she's no good.
	Political medicine, because it's a mother of all of us, and we've got to fix this one in order to fix everything else that ails us.
	But what propelled me into this race was when the president put Medicare and Social Security on the chopping block as the solution to the debt ceiling crisis.
	A year ago.
	So I'm basically in this to ensure that everyday people have a voice in this election and a choice at the polls that's not bought and paid for by Wall Street.
	Now this is like, whoa, you're so boring, Jill Stein.
	You have no platform.
	All you're doing is, well, I don't like what they're doing.
	You have no message.
	And to ensure that we can put forward the solutions American people are clamoring for.
	Now let's listen to Gary Johnson.
	That was a little bit longer than 30 seconds.
	I didn't give you the time, but let's do...
	No, you didn't.
	We'll try to let Gary...
	We'll give him a minute or so to do it, but if you can...
	Now, you ready, John?
	Because, you know, I'm still on the fence between Roseanne Barr and Gary Johnson.
	Yeah.
	But I think Gary Johnson clinches it with this performance in his CNN third-party debate.
	I'm doing it in 30 seconds, Gary.
	So, why do you feel you'd be best suited to run the country, and why are you running?
	Well, I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think I could do a really good job at being President of the United States.
	I've been an entrepreneur my entire life, two-term governor of New Mexico, I think very successfully at that.
	And the difference is between myself and other candidates.
	Look, let's not bomb Iran.
	Let's get out of Afghanistan now, bring the troops home.
	I think that marriage equality is a constitutionally guaranteed right.
	Let's end the drug wars.
	Let's legalize marijuana now.
	I would have never signed the National Defense Authorization Act.
	I would repeal the Patriot Act.
	I think that we need to balance the federal budget now or we're going to find ourselves in a monetary collapse and let's abolish the IRS and eliminate income tax and corporate tax.
	That will reboot the American economy.
	Tens of millions of jobs get created in a zero corporate tax rate environment.
	How good is that guy?
	Yeah, you don't want him up there debating.
	The only thing he didn't say was, hookers and blow for everybody.
	That's the only thing I was missing.
	That guy's great.
	Well, so all the good it does.
	Right.
	Now, how funny would it be, though, if you had that debate?
	If you had, like, Biden or Obama or Romney against Gary Johnson?
	It would be like no contest.
	Yeah, no, he would wipe the room with those two guys.
	Those two guys are stooges.
	They're stooges for the military-industrial complex.
	It's so apparent.
	They didn't do anything.
	I mean, Obama's just essentially, like somebody said to me, I said, who are you going to vote for in the 2008 election?
	I said, I don't know.
	I think I'm going to vote for McCain.
	Don't vote for McCain because if you vote for McCain, these wars are going to drag on.
	They're never going to repeal the Patriot Act.
	The economy is probably going to get worse and worse.
	And I said, well, maybe.
	And it turns out he was right.
	I voted for McCain.
	The economy got worse.
	I know it's an old joke.
	So the only thing...
	Well, there's a couple things.
	Biden had a big, fat lie.
	A big, big lie that I was surprised that I have not heard...
	One?
	He had a bunch of bullcrap in there.
	But there was like a really big one.
	Which one do you think?
	Well, listen to this audio.
	They talk about this Great Recession.
	If it fell out of the sky, like, oh my goodness, where did it come from?
	It came from this man voting to put two wars in a credit card, to at the same time put a prescription drug benefit in the credit card.
	A trillion dollar tax cut, very wealthy.
	I was there.
	I voted against him.
	I said, no, we can't afford that.
	Now, did I hear him just say that he voted against the wars, the two wars that we put on the credit card?
	Is that what I heard him say, John?
	Yeah, that's what he said.
	Okay, let me just see.
	But wait, wait, wait.
	If you parse it, if you parse it carefully, it may be that he really said he voted against the one thing that he said at the end of his little list.
	No, but he says I voted against them.
	So that would be plural.
	Try it again.
	I bet you said I voted against it.
	They talk about this great recession.
	If it fell out of the sky, like, oh my goodness, where did it come from?
	It came from this man voting to put two wars in a credit card, to at the same time put a prescription drug benefit in the credit card.
	A trillion dollar tax cut for a very wealthy.
	I was there.
	I voted against them.
	I said, no, we can't afford that.
	I voted against them.
	Yeah, vague.
	Okay, well, just wanted to point out that on Joint Resolution 23, September 14, 2001, Joe O'Biden voted yay.
	And on the Iraqi vote, Joe O'Biden voted yay.
	So unless I misunderstood, which is possible, but it sure sounded to me like he was saying, I was there, my friends.
	I was there.
	I voted against it.
	I voted against it.
	Well, he voted for them.
	Yeah, that's a lie.
	Well, he also, apparently, Rupert Murdoch took him to task on his Twitter feed, which I actually now believe he's actually writing.
	Okay.
	He's got nothing else to do.
	He says it's bullcrap.
	He says Obama and Netanyahu aren't the best of friends, as though Biden made it sound.
	Oh, they're chatting all the time.
	They're drinking together.
	They're on Facebook.
	They're Facebook friends.
	Chatting it out.
	They're on Mumble, I hear.
	Okay, so there was some really...
	I mean, I lost the kind of interest in watching when these guys, they don't even understand the basic principles of what their jobs are or what their boss's jobs are.
	Here's the question came to Ryan.
	They should not have waited for Russia to give us the green light at the UN to do something.
	They're still arming the man.
	Iran is flying flights over Iraq.
	And the opposition is being armed.
	To help Bashar Assad.
	And by the way, if we had the status of forces agreement that the vice president said he would bet his vice presidency on in Iraq, we probably would have been able to prevent that.
	But he failed to achieve that as well.
	Let me ask you, what's your criteria for intervention?
	Okay, so the question is, what is your criteria for intervention in Syria?
	There is only one, but we'll listen to what Ryan says.
	In Syria?
	Worldwide.
	What is in the national interest of the American people?
	Wrong!
	I'm sorry.
	That is wrong.
	That is only if Congress votes to go to war.
	There's no other criteria.
	The people.
	The people.
	Not you, douchey.
	Only the people can do that.
	Now let's listen to a very egregious statement by O'Biden.
	What would you say to that American hero about this campaign?
	And at the end of the day, are you ever embarrassed by the tone?
	Vice President Biden.
	I would say to him the same thing I say to my son, who did serve a year in Iraq, that we only have one Truly sacred obligation.
	Only one truly sacred obligation.
	As a government.
	As a government.
	As to equip those we send into harm's way and care for those who come home.
	Now, I'm sorry.
	That is wrong.
	That should be to defend the Constitution.
	That is the only sacred thing you have, you douche.
	These things really get me when I hear them say this.
	I'm like, how can you do this?
	How can you do these things?
	This is just, it's so nasty.
	Well, for one thing, the Constitution is being marginalized on a daily basis so we can just get rid of it.
	But I did learn something.
	And I'm surprised that, well, maybe, I learned what the fighting season is all about.
	Oh, the fighting season.
	Yes.
	...illustrate the issue here, because I think this can get a little confusing.
	We've all met with General Allen and General Scraparati in Afghanistan to talk about fighting seasons.
	Here's the way it works.
	I'm like, whoa, we're going to get an explanation.
	The mountain pass is filling with snow.
	The Taliban and the terrorists and the Akhani and the Qadashura come over from Pakistan to fight our men and women.
	When it fills in with snow, they can't do it.
	That's what we call fighting seasons.
	In the warm months, fighting gets really high.
	In the winter, it goes down.
	And so, when Admiral Mullen and General Petraeus came to Congress and said...
	If you pull these people out before the fighting season is end, it puts people more...
	I like that grammar.
	If you pull these people out before the fighting season is end, you could say over or has ended, but fighting season is end?
	Something's wrong with your programming, sir.
	...or at risk.
	That's the problem.
	Yes, we drew 22,000 troops down last month, but the remaining troops that are there, who still have the same mission to prosecute, counterinsurgency, are doing it with fewer people.
	That makes them less...
	Now, here's where it got really interesting.
	Same mission to prosecute.
	Oh, yeah.
	The wording is beautiful.
	He's got a weird way of saying things.
	Well, some of it's just grammatically incorrect.
	But now they get into a little tit-for-tat, which had me thinking about something.
	We're sending fewer people out in all these hot spots to do the same job that they were supposed to do a month ago, but we took 22,000 people out for them to do it.
	We turned it over to the Afghan troops.
	We trained.
	No one got pulled out that didn't get filled in by trained Afghan personnel.
	And he's conflating two issues.
	The fighting season that Petraeus was talking about.
	Is that correct?
	Conflating?
	Yeah.
	Is it like conflagration or conflating?
	I've never heard the word conflate.
	I've heard it, but I don't think he's used it right.
	Let's look it up.
	Yes, this is a very good idea.
	What does conflate mean?
	Conflate.
	Definition.
	Hmm.
	Conflate.
	To combine.
	No, it's actually a very good use of the word.
	To conflate.
	To combine.
	Yeah, okay.
	We'll take it.
	Yeah, they did well.
	Yes.
	We will take that as a correct answer.
	Former Admiral Mullen was the fighting season this spring.
	That's what he was talking about.
	We did not pull them out.
	The calendar works the same every year.
	It does work the same every year.
	Spring, summer, fall.
	It's warm or it's not.
	So when I heard that, I thought...
	Winter, spring, summer or fall.
	Long way to go for a joke.
	Wow, yeah.
	Jeez.
	Yeah.
	So that was just the worst debate ever.
	It was pretty bad.
	And then old Biden yucking it up.
	And I'm surprised, you know, all Ryan had to do was stop and look at him while he was mugging and say to him, What are you doing?
	What's wrong with your face?
	I mean, why didn't he call him out and just stop or say something like, are you done yet?
	Or anything.
	I mean, he could have called him out as a little kid by just stopping and looking at him because he just had to see him because the way the table was set up.
	He had to see him rolling his eyes and giving that big dumb smile, laughing, and all the rest of it.
	But he didn't do anything.
	He's just such a weenie.
	Yeah.
	Well, and it's interesting.
	Who was it?
	I think Krauthammer.
	He said you would interpret this debate one way if you only read the transcript.
	You would interpret it another way if you heard it on radio.
	Because, of course, you wouldn't see O'Biden making all the grimacing faces and laughing and yucking it up.
	And on television, of course, I found it to be very uncomfortable.
	It's one thing if you think somebody's lying.
	It's another thing to just keep smiling about it.
	It's creepy.
	Just creepy.
	No, it's totally creepy.
	The guy's creepy.
	But Lawrence O'Donnell, he's on the Lean Forward Obama channel.
	Yeah.
	MSNBC Obama channel.
	He has an idea.
	He knows how to fix all of this.
	He thinks we should change the rules of the debate.
	The debates now put candidates through ridiculous memorization tests that have nothing to do with the job of being president.
	What?
	A memorization test?
	Really?
	Maybe your guy is on a memorization trip.
	There will always be staff present to remind the president or brief the president on whatever he or she needs to remember or know.
	Or to change his batteries.
	Which is why, to return to the protocol of senators debating in the Senate chamber, each candidate should be allowed at least one staff member to sit beside the candidate throughout the debate.
	How crazy is this?
	It's like your lawyer whispering in your ear.
	It is not even slightly distracting to Senate debates to have a silent staff member sitting beside the Senator, as you see every day on C-SPAN, handing the Senator a document that will support what the Senator is about to say.
	I used to be one of those people in the staff chair on the Senate floor or in hearings.
	This is nuts.
	And I'm telling you that this is, they're really considering making this change.
	Because, oh, you know, you can't have somebody remembering.
	Hey, why don't you just give the guy his teleprompter?
	Just put teleprompters.
	That'd be great.
	Wait a minute.
	He's suggesting that everyone do what Bush did in the last debate and have that thing in his ear.
	The transmitter.
	Exactly.
	Well, he goes even further.
	Is that what he wants?
	Obama, you said that he might have had one in the last debate.
	He wants to go even.
	Which would have made sense.
	That's why he had to keep looking down so he could listen to the guy.
	He's like, hold on a second, I can't hear you.
	Larry here suggests even more.
	Some friends of mine who were watching on C-SPAN didn't even notice me.
	That's how invisible staff can be in government, but they are absolutely essential in government.
	The president is never alone with a decision, and you would never want him to be.
	What is this?
	This guy's on drugs, and he's not sharing, and he's not sharing his drugs.
	He's just nuts.
	Meanwhile, of course, Biden really made a big mistake.
	And his biggest mistake was throwing Hillary Clinton under the bus.
	You may or may not have caught this.
	I'm subscribing to the notion, I think you might be too, which is that Hillary is trying to...
	Derail the Obama re-election so she has a better shot at 2016.
	And so I think they're becoming aware of this.
	And they're fighting back.
	Yeah.
	So this is from the...
	The press, of course, is completely complicit in this, and they know their role.
	This was spokeshole Carney trying to defend his man versus the press saying, well, you know, how could Biden say that they didn't know more security had been requested, even though he knew that security had been requested previously?
	When he did the debate, because that had already been out in testimony, in that four-hour testimony.
	But he's still saying, hey, we didn't know, we didn't know.
	And Carney is basically saying, it's Clinton's job.
	Jay, I wanted to ask you about Libya and the Vice President's response yesterday in the debate.
	Martha Raddatz mentioned to him that U.S. officials in Libya had asked for more security there, and the Vice President replied, Well, we weren't told they wanted more security there.
	We did not know they wanted more security again.
	That wasn't the testimony at the oversight hearing on Wednesday, though.
	Charlene Lamb conceded that she had refused requests for more security.
	What did the Vice President mean?
	What did he mean by we?
	Did he mean the administration?
	Did he mean the White House?
	He was speaking directly for himself and for the President.
	He meant the White House.
	Oh, okay.
	Just want to make sure we understand that.
	These guys don't hear anything.
	We don't know anything.
	We just sit up here in our little White House.
	Yeah, we get those guys talking in our ear, but I guess they don't talk loud enough.
	That's about all I had on the debate.
	I think that's enough.
	Yeah, I would agree.
	And it means nothing.
	I guess there's the next debate.
	What is Tuesday?
	Tuesday is the next debate.
	Yep.
	It'll be interesting to see how Obama does on this one.
	We want to make predictions?
	Well, I think we predicted pretty well that Biden was going to bring up the 47%, and he did.
	He did, yeah.
	And you made some prediction that somebody on Twitter went crazy about saying you were unbelievably visionary for coming up with something.
	I don't remember what it was.
	I am visionary.
	I am visionary, I tell you.
	I see into the future.
	Well, something happened.
	And I'm not quite sure, because here's what I think is going on.
	We have the Benghazi situation, of course, Benghazi gate, as we're calling it now, Benghazi gate.
	That is the meme we want to put out there, because this, of course, would be great to have this conversation during the next debate.
	So you can see the entire move, the push, like, oh, let's say they were lying, they were covering up, you know, this has got to come out to the forefront of Of the debate on Tuesday.
	And so that would be the Republican side.
	The Democratic side is trying to thwart that.
	And somehow, someone gave the wrong message to al-Zawahi.
	Is he now the new number one in Al-Qaeda, or is he still number two?
	I don't really keep a...
	I don't subscribe to Ring Magazine anymore, so I don't know where he sits in the world championship scale there.
	But he definitely has gotten the wrong memo.
	Tonight we're hearing from Al-Qaeda's leader for the first time since September 11th.
	In an audio posted to a website, Ayman al-Zawahri urges Muslims to wage holy war against the U.S. and Israel.
	That's new.
	No.
	Never heard of such a thing.
	Don't step on it.
	Wage holy war against the U.S. and Israel over that YouTube video that mocked the Prophet Muhammad.
	What?
	What?
	He got the wrong script!
	What an idiot.
	Yeah, so now we know the guy's on someone's payroll, but someone's not communicating properly.
	Yeah, they're not getting his memos around fast enough.
	How dumb is that?
	No, dude, Ixnay on the idiotape.
	What are you saying?
	And even the fact that this report says, on a site somewhere, nondescript, just on a site he said...
	Yeah, and they never have the actual video.
	They just have some B-roll and just tell you what they think the guy said according to some kind of intelligence.
	But, you know, this is wrong.
	This is really stupid.
	So the video thing is on the back burner.
	So what do you think?
	I think that what's going to happen is I think the Democrats are maybe, although I don't think Hillary thinks it's such a great idea because she's going to take a lot of heat for this, which isn't good, but for her, I think anything to get the conversation off the economy benefits to Democrats is a big deal.
	Well, yeah.
	Yeah, but the Benghazi thing is tough because...
	I don't think the public cares at all.
	Oh, I'm not going to argue whether the public cares, but I think the campaigns believe it matters.
	Yeah, I think they do, but I think they're wrong.
	What does the public care about?
	They care about getting, you know, having a job, getting more money than they made last year.
	I mean, that's all the public cares about.
	Right.
	And they're not making more money than they made last year, the year before, the year before, and they want to be able to sell and buy houses.
	They can't do that.
	The banks aren't lending money.
	I mean, those are the issues that the people care about, and they don't care about Benghazi.
	You know, you could go out in the street right now and interview 100 people, and I would say 99 of them would not even know where Benghazi is or have you ever heard of it.
	Yeah.
	You're probably right.
	And the one guy would probably be wrong that he had something to say.
	So are you saying that both candidates actually want to focus on things other than the economy?
	No, no.
	The Republicans are being suckered left and right and just focusing on the wrong things.
	And the Democrats just love anything but talking about the economy.
	Right.
	Good point.
	Good point.
	So they'll be contrived to say mistakes were made, mistakes were made, it won't happen again, and we're moving our troops out of Afghanistan in 2014, and all foreign policy stuff.
	And the next debate, by the way, is about foreign policy, which means it's going to be really bad.
	It's going to be just dull.
	The first debate was about domestic policy, and tell me, remember the first debate?
	No.
	What was important that was discussed?
	I don't remember anything.
	Of course not.
	I don't remember a single thing they talked about.
	No, I don't remember anything either.
	We did have a huge distraction.
	They floated a little trial balloon and tried to do this again.
	Let's do it home as well.
	For staying with us for the next hour.
	We do have to start tonight.
	Getting noticed is the MSNBC Obama channel again.
	With some breaking news.
	We have some more details for you about the breaking news that is just in tonight.
	Breaking news!
	Breaking news!
	More details on the breaking news is breaking news.
	John, stand by.
	I've got to tell you.
	It's breaking news.
	Okay, mad cow, what is it?
	about this shot, this gunshot, fired at the Obama campaign's headquarters in Denver, Colorado, late today.
	These are pictures that we've got of the shadowed window front of the Obama campaign office.
	According to the reports that we have so far, there were people inside the campaign office at the time of this incident, which is in part what makes this a story of national significance.
	What?
	Really?
	That was national significance.
	Because someone was around a bullet.
	Hey, come to Oakland, lady.
	National significance.
	Come to Oakland.
	Ladies and gentlemen.
	Come to Oakland where the Occupy people rammed the Obama campaign headquarters and they busted into the place and tore it up.
	How about that?
	They didn't cover that, did they, on MSNBC? It was not of national significance.
	It seems like it was to me, but no.
	No, a stray bullet.
	I think it was white supremacists.
	Well, I think the story would have been better if somebody had put a swastika on the thing.
	No, swastikas are not for...
	No, we don't do...
	It could have been the Obama campaign.
	Nobody was hurt at this because everyone was told the bullet's coming through.
	No, no, you see, the bullet went from the inside out.
	That's the way I see it.
	And they had the, I didn't clip it, but they had the cops on.
	Normally in this type of story, the cop was like, you know, it was a 9mm, it was an AK-47, it was, you know, a getaway car.
	Nothing of that.
	Just no one got hit.
	That's it.
	That's all the cops are saying.
	No details.
	And, of course, the story went nowhere.
	It was a trial balloon.
	They've done this before.
	We've seen this.
	Trying to distract it.
	That's the thing I'm still waiting for.
	Will there be another?
	Because there's such megalomaniacs there in the White House.
	That they probably want to distract from the economy and from Benghazi, so they'll try and come up with something else to change the story.
	I think they've got a winner with this Benghazi thing.
	Let it suck up all the cycles and screw it.
	Who cares?
	Interesting.
	Which could also make us think that it's always been in their interest from the get-go to have this Benghazi thing happen.
	Maybe they have to get rid of that guy.
	I mean, it's like Serpico.
	Explain the Serpico.
	Serpico the movie.
	Yeah.
	Serpico was a very famous police officer who was, I guess, in New York City or Jersey.
	I think it was New York.
	No, no.
	He was in New Jersey.
	He was a Jersey cop.
	And he was not corrupt.
	Yeah.
	And so he wouldn't take bribes.
	He wouldn't do all this stuff.
	But there was a known fact that a lot of drug dealing and all this stuff was going on.
	It was right under the police's watch because they were just taking money.
	But he wouldn't do it.
	And so one day he was sent off to some bus somewhere where he was supposed to have all his backup and nobody showed up.
	It's like, hey, you're on your own, asshole.
	And so they almost killed him.
	Do you know where he lives now?
	You know where Frank Serpico lives now?
	Where?
	Amsterdam.
	Oh, does he?
	Really?
	Yeah, he's laying low in Amsterdam.
	People still want to kill him.
	Well, yeah, it wouldn't surprise me.
	So anyway, so this guy may have been in that boat.
	I mean, even though I still think it was a botched kidnapping, but...
	No, no, I'm down with that.
	Anything that they're reporting, we just know that's wrong.
	Yeah.
	So we have to just assume that, you know, any of these theories that are possibilities are probably, one of them is more likely to be correct, but...
	Obviously, they didn't send any extra help there, and this whole thing was in the dead of night.
	I mean, it's fishy from the get-go.
	But I think it's a great distraction for them, because the public does not care at all.
	We just care about eating.
	And honey boo-boo.
	Hey, that has been banned from the airwaves.
	No, no, you say clips.
	Clips are banned.
	Oh, okay.
	You can say the name Honey Boo Boo.
	I don't know.
	The voice is kicking everyone's ass, so Honey Boo Boo is...
	No, Honey Boo Boo is a reality show.
	They're on cable, so the voice isn't really competing with it.
	Duck Dynasty is kicking Honey Boo Boo's ass.
	Oh, Duck Dynasty is a winner.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Did you see the guy?
	No.
	Do you have the clip?
	No.
	I don't watch it.
	Oh, no.
	There's a clip.
	They had the Duck Dynasty.
	I think it was on The View or something.
	Oh, no.
	I got other things to do.
	I wish I had this clip.
	I saw it.
	I didn't clip it.
	I don't know why.
	They got the guy on The View.
	He's a big...
	And somebody asked him, what is it that scares you?
	And the guy goes, uh, chlamydia?
	Yeah.
	Really?
	So the guy's a comedian?
	No, he's just an idiot.
	Hey, let's thank our producers before we go any further.
	We've been yapping way too long.
	Oh boy.
	Do we have any producers?
	Well, luckily we got at InstaNight, which is a big deal.
	Oh, thank goodness.
	But generally speaking, I would say this particular show is quite light.
	Right.
	Which is unfortunate.
	There you go.
	That's what happens.
	Meanwhile, I'm downloading it.
	Oh, really?
	I'm using Chrome, and normally when I was using, we always used to automatically download, but just know I've got to click on something.
	All right, so we have one executive producer, our instant knight, and one associate executive producer, and that's it.
	So our instant knight is Sir Will Be.
	Oh, he's already a Sir.
	Oh, okay.
	He's doubling down, man.
	Brian Bemrose, Sir Ryan Bemrose in Everett, Washington, the thousand.
	The text is supposed to go with my donation.
	Every October, my company has a giving campaign where they badger their employees into donating to a charity.
	By the way, I worked for Union Oil, and they did that to us.
	It was like...
	In fact, he mentions who it was.
	Hold on one second.
	Okay.
	Since I can't stomach the thought of my hard tax dollars going to the United Way or the Clinton Foundation, I'm instead sending it to no agenda, though I don't expect a matching contribution from the company.
	The only thing I ask in return is some karma for Dame Lisa as she continues her battle with MS. With all the drugs the doctors have prescribed, this place is starting to feel like a Pfizer commercial.
	Alright, well we definitely will hand out some F the MS karma.
	You've got karma.
	Thank you very much for your donation.
	Now, when I was working at Union Oil as a youngster, they had United Way.
	It was United Way, which is exactly what he says.
	They had their yearly fundraising for God knows what.
	We never knew.
	And it was like, you donated or, you know, because it was apparently every manager and I guess my supervisor had to make sure that they got X numbers of dollars or else.
	I don't know.
	It was his bonus, or he wouldn't get a raise, or they wouldn't talk to him again, or they had to sit in the corner and wash him.
	I have no idea.
	Let me ask you this.
	Is this like a union thing?
	No, no.
	It was a non-union department.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, thank you very much, Sir Ryan.
	That is so incredibly nice of you.
	And power to Dame Lisa there.
	Thank you for doubling down on the best podcast in the universe.
	It really did help, particularly today.
	We knew it was going to be light, so we're happy that you checked in.
	Thank you so much for supporting the show.
	Thomas Weiler is our associate executive producer and now becomes a knight with $240.79 and he's in Oder-Dreisbach, which I believe is in Deutschland.
	Deutschland, yeah.
	I reached the amount of 10, 11, 12.
	I can't wait to get my precious ring.
	I love and enjoy your podcast since day one.
	It's truly the best podcast in the universe and a big part of the daily commute.
	The Visa Karma I asked for in 427 worked very well.
	I have five and a half weeks in the USA this summer.
	Could you please send me some good luck karma for a new band I'm with called 77 Bombay Street.
	They're four talented brothers, and it's big fun to work as a sound engineer and backliner for them.
	Check out their website, 77bombaystreet.com.
	Since a year ago, I started listening to the Joe Rogan show as well.
	I think, Adam, you should get on that show as a guest.
	She tries.
	If you could send my karma-hot-milf-little-girl-stay-zito-shavo jingle.
	I love you guys, Thomas Weiler, a.k.a.
	Weilisau.
	Oh, he's in Swiss.
	He's in Switzerland.
	Oh, so, well, let me see.
	How does he want this?
	Oberdreisbach, Swiss.
	He wants one hot milf, little girl, so that's the, uh, okay, shut up, slay.
	Okay, let me see if I can do this.
	I'm sure we can one way or the other.
	Shut up, slave!
	You've got karma.
	Nailed it.
	That was good.
	Anyway, that concludes our producer segment, unfortunately, for this show.
	452...
	And we will probably, hopefully, pick up a little bit of steam on the next show as we approach the fifth anniversary, which is on October 26th.
	Big deal.
	It's a big deal.
	Five years of doing this deconstruction.
	Five years.
	And still nobody can come close to what we do.
	And we never had a fight.
	And we still...
	We've had a couple fights.
	And we still have...
	People that say, I don't know, these guys are crazy.
	They're crazy.
	And all we do is read the bills and we tell what's in the bill that somebody else has fallen all over themselves about.
	And we say, look, here's what it's really about.
	How's that crazy?
	All you do is a little homework, which is a term I don't like.
	Some people call it, what's the word?
	Oh, journalism.
	That's it.
	Actually looking at things, you know, looking at indictments, reading through them, watching C-SPAN, seeing what people actually say, recording what they say, and then calling them on it, finding that, you know, Joe Biden says he didn't vote for the two wars on a credit card.
	Of course he did.
	I got some of that stuff.
	I've done some government legislation analysis today.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	I got a doozy for you.
	The only thing I came up with, I was hoping to find some good stuff with those Russians down in Houston there that were indicted as spies.
	Oh, let me talk.
	Hold on a second.
	First, the reminder for everyone, we have the 55-55 donation level for our fifth anniversary, October 26th.
	So please go to...
	Dvorak.org slash N-A. And if there's nothing for you to donate so far, it's okay, because you can always go out and propagate our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out...
	We hit people in the mouth.
	Come on, baby, tell me now.
	Shut up, baby.
	I am receiving information on this.
	Now, who do we know in the Dallas area who's Russian?
	Who?
	Sergin Naftuliev.
	Oh, I didn't know he was in Dallas.
	Yeah.
	Dude, he...
	I don't know which agency he works for, but he was responsible for this takedown one way or the other.
	I know he was involved in it.
	This is what he does.
	And if you ever meet the guy, I hope you do, you'll be like, okay, no doubt.
	It was one of those guys you meet.
	Let me give you a call about it.
	He lives alone with his pet python.
	Are you getting a picture of Sir Gene?
	I'm getting there.
	Okay.
	Is he tall, short, thin, heavy?
	You don't want to bump into him in a dark alley.
	Let's put it that way.
	He's a sweetheart, though.
	Don't get me wrong.
	Total sweetheart.
	Just don't be rushing on the wrong side of him.
	That would be kind of bad.
	So I ran into a legal blog, Export Law blog or something like that.
	He says this is a bunch of bull crap, this indictment, because they're mostly nailing these guys for not registering as foreign agents.
	Which all spies have to do.
	Yeah, but no.
	Yeah, right.
	Yeah, no, that's true.
	In every country.
	No, no.
	This guy explained something.
	Okay, okay.
	Let me just make sure that we have an understanding here.
	That I have no knowledge of this.
	That each country has agents and they have to register.
	And of course they have unregistered agents.
	But the idea is all your agents are supposed to be registered.
	That is the general Geneva Convention law.
	No.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	I don't know what I'm talking about.
	I have no family history.
	The way this...
	If you look at...
	I'd have to go find that post.
	But the reason for registering...
	It's not because he's...
	This is not.
	You're wrong.
	Okay, I'm wrong.
	All right, I'm wrong.
	The thing was in the 30s when they came up with this registering as a foreign agent, it was to keep propagandists out of Washington, D.C. It wasn't for export, guys, because if you're exporting to a foreign country, which everybody does, Caterpillar, the way this indictment went down is to say, okay, if they have to register as foreign agents for exporting processors, by the way, there was no processor chips involved.
	It was memory chips and D-to-A converters.
	That's all they were saying.
	And by the way, to the tune of $50 million since 2008.
	Why now was this bust taking place?
	Now, I looked up all the parts.
	To see what they were exporting.
	And yes, they were militarized.
	Isn't that your answer right there then?
	Because they were militarized?
	Well...
	We're in a proxy war with Russia.
	I think we agree with this.
	Yeah, but I think because they've been shipping parts since 2008 that they come up out of the blue and bust these guys.
	I think it is part of the proxy war.
	Yes.
	It's like, hey, we got an idea.
	Because for one thing, you can take a look at the bag of parts.
	It looks to me as though they were shipping stuff for testing because there were too many different D-to-A converters.
	It's not like, how many of these things do you need?
	I mean, it wasn't like they had shipping buckets full of one type.
	There was all these different ones.
	And what is a DD? Is it digital to analog converter?
	What would that be used for, typically?
	Well, you'd use it for, like, if you have a fin that you have to move on a missile.
	Oh, one of those.
	You've got digital information that has to be turned into a gear and has to move it around.
	Oh, okay.
	I got it.
	You know, like that, that kind of thing?
	Oh, yeah.
	All right.
	So you need D-Day converters, a lot of D-Day converters.
	And then they had all the memory chips that they were ordering were all militarized.
	In other words, they were the hardened type of memory that can work under extreme conditions.
	Right.
	But, you know, the bag of parts looks pretty sketchy, but they've been doing it since 2008, and they do a big business.
	It's a whole family, a bunch of these people.
	So I think it's part, the whole thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if they got off eventually, but meanwhile, the indictment wants to confiscate everything.
	They have all their bank accounts listed, they're taking all their money.
	They have all their houses and all their offices listed, they're taking all that.
	You know the way they operate?
	Yeah, of course.
	They're just taking everything.
	Hey, we're taking your stuff.
	Oh, you gotta love it.
	Anyway, there is a report that I have on the clips that came from...
	I figured if I'm going to get a clip about this, I'm going to get the Russia Today clip, because that will be the most slanted.
	You can play that, and it gives people a background on what we're talking about.
	I don't have one specifically.
	The only one that says Russia Today is Turkey, so you have to help me out.
	Yeah, no, it's another clip.
	It's...
	Something labeled very clearly, I'm sure.
	Yeah, let's see.
	Russia Today and Turkey, salt, but this is the...
	New Russian spies.
	How about that one?
	That would make it.
	Yeah, okay.
	It's so clearly RT. What we've seen is a statement being issued by the Russian Foreign Ministry regarding the four Russian citizens currently still in custody who have been charged with the illegal export of military technology.
	The Foreign Ministry is suggesting that these four Russians are being put under extreme psychological and moral pressure in order to get them to sign confessions.
	The Foreign Ministry is also wanting a review of the decision to deny these four Russian citizens It has taken the media by storm a little bit.
	It has been all over the media.
	This is some kind of spy scandal.
	This is dismissed by the foreign ministry.
	They say all you have to do is look at the charges that have been levelled against these four Russian citizens.
	They're criminal charges.
	The families of these Russian citizens have been expressing concern over the way that they're being treated while they're in custody.
	There's been suggestions that they're being forced to sleep on the floor, that they're in very crowded cells.
	These four Russian citizens were picked up on the 3rd of October as part of a group of 11 people that the FBI wanted to speak to in connection with the export of high-tech technology from the United States to Russia.
	It's believed that technology has a potential military use.
	They were picked up in Houston, in Texas.
	Over the next few days, they're going to be moved to New York, where the first hearings on this case will be heard next week.
	Do you think they couldn't make it clear that they were citizens any more than they already did?
	smack There's that.
	And, of course, they left out the waterboarding part, which may or may not have taken place.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah, no, this is part of whatever scheme, whatever, this is getting worse by the minute, this action between the United States and Russia.
	And it's becoming very clear how nasty it's getting, because Russia today has its own channel now, by the way, an own network on the dish.
	Yeah.
	And it's all really, it's gone, they cranked up the propaganda.
	I mean, it's really propagandistic, much more than it was a year ago.
	But I think in general you can say that about everything on cable.
	We have RT is completely pro-Russia, screw America.
	And they hammer on all the things we like, I have to say.
	You know, NDAA, you know, drones.
	Essentially, I mean, we could work for the Russians in that regard.
	Yeah, you know, it's what bothers me.
	Yeah, then we have MSNBC Obama channel.
	They're not even apologizing for it.
	No, and if you get that idiot Ed Schultz, that guy goes crazy.
	You know, he just screams and he rants about how evil the Republicans are.
	He's a horrible person.
	There was something I caught on Current, which...
	And I had to do a little bit of research, and it wasn't all that hard.
	Who do you think Current is working for?
	I mean, besides for Al Gore.
	But who do you think they're representing?
	Because they must represent...
	They can't just be completely...
	When you hear the report...
	They're not an Obama...
	They have some of the old Obama-bot people from MSNBC, so we know that they're on that side of things.
	But I would say more Hillary...
	Well, I'm going to say it may be more Obama than you think.
	Listen to this report, and then I did a little bit of deconstruction of it, and we'll see where this is all coming from.
	First time ever, warehouse employees at Walmart stores are walking out and striking.
	And this is a very big deal, because we've heard a lot of drama with Walmart.
	They refuse to unionize their workers.
	They refuse to pay them a fair wage for their hard work.
	And a lot of employees are now so tired of it that they're willing to risk their jobs to walk out and do this strike.
	Can I say something first?
	Yeah.
	Walmart...
	Isn't refusing to unionize their workers.
	Thank you.
	Yep, that's a good point.
	You're catching on.
	Why would they throw that in there?
	Oh, they're refusing to unionize.
	No.
	The workers themselves have to create a situation where they can take a ballot and then decide to unionize and then a bunch of laws fall into place.
	There's no company that refuses to unionize their workers or wants to unionize their workers unless it's corrupt.
	So that is the first clue.
	So, you know, they're asking for something very simple.
	For instance, there's one employee who's been there.
	He's striking.
	He's been there for three years, and he's still making a little over $8.
	$8.90 an hour, okay?
	And he's working in the produce section.
	By the way, that's what I make at Mevio.
	They're not giving these employees what they need to survive, despite the fact that they are massively profitable.
	Now, this is disguised as news.
	I don't know who this woman is, but now Chunk's going to come in, and Chunk has some facts.
	Multi-city strike for the first time in Walmart's history in the last 50 years.
	And one of the original strikes that began this was in a place for subcontractors as they were doing business.
	The factory got to be 120 degrees.
	So the two things they were asking for.
	They weren't asking for, like, great benefits or even increased salaries.
	They wanted ceiling fans, because it was 120 degrees in there.
	And they wanted shin guards, because those heavy carts that they were pushing around kept running into their shins, and they were getting hurt.
	Okay.
	So let's just revisit what we've heard here.
	Walmart evil.
	Evil, evil, evil Walmart.
	They won't let their workers unionize.
	All they wanted were some ceiling fans and some shin guards.
	So I start to research who is organizing this strike.
	This is an outfit called R-Walmart.
	If you go to forrespect.org, John, F-O-R-R-E-S-P-E-C-T. F-O-R-R-E-S-P-E-C-T! ForRespect.org.
	Our Walmart.
	Organization United for Respect at Walmart.
	About us.
	Our Walmart vision.
	We envision a future in which our company treats us, the associates of Walmart, with respect and dignity.
	We envision a world where we succeed in our careers.
	Our company succeeds in business.
	Our customers receive great service and value.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	So I'm looking, you know, who is this organization?
	And all it says is organization united for respected Walmart, independent not-for-profit organization for hourly associates.
	Our organization is not affiliated with Walmart Stores, Inc., etc., etc.
	So I do a little who is on them, which, by the way, a chunk could have done with his TV station there.
	That woman could have done that.
	Yeah, he's got a budget.
	Yeah, he's got cameras and people running around.
	Yeah.
	Now, let's see.
	And there's staff.
	He's got staff.
	It is the organization United for Respect at Walmart.
	They are located at, I mean, for just a bunch of people who just like, you know, we're workers.
	We're, you know, evil Walmart.
	We're going to strike.
	It's a multi-state strike, by the way.
	It's funny they have an office at 1775 K Street Northwest in the District of Columbia.
	That would be the lobbyist street.
	And this is registered, this domain name, this forrespect.org, by certain...
	W. O'Neill at UFCW.org.
	Oh my!
	What is the UFCW, John?
	Uh...
	I don't know offhand.
	United Food and Commercial Workers International Union.
	Hello!
	Okay, that makes sense.
	It's the union people.
	It's the union people.
	Of course!
	Yeah, but they're pretending these people on current TV... Oh, they're pretending to be grassroots.
	Exactly.
	It's a hijack.
	Well, no, it's a, what do you call it?
	AstroTurf.
	AstroTurfing, okay.
	So, who is Current TV working for?
	They can't be completely stupid.
	I mean, this is so silly.
	Instead of the report should be, well, it looks like Walmart is trying to unionize, and here's who's helping them with it through this front organization called ForRespect.org, our Walmart.
	This is not a tough story to bring, and I think it's actually quite exciting to see.
	We know that Walmart...
	That's actually more interesting than the story that they're telling.
	Yes, thank you.
	Because, you know, these union guys are trying, yeah, if they could unionize a few Walmarts, these guys, the UF, whatever they are, the UFCW, yeah.
	They would have, I mean, there's a bonanza in union dues.
	Thank you, and where does that go to?
	It goes right to paying for that expensive office at 775-1775 K Street.
	Yeah, but we also know that...
	I'm looking at it now on the Google thing.
	It's a nice office.
	You can go right down on the street and look at it.
	Can you go in?
	Do they have an inside on the Googles?
	Not yet, but they're building them up.
	I think it's one of those where you go inside and it has a guy with a big hand saying, you can't go any further.
	Right.
	But, of course, Obama is backed by the union.
	So this is why I think current TV is still somehow shilling for Obama.
	Well, I know Chunk is a big Obama bot, so that's...
	Chunk.
	What is his real name?
	Chunk.
	I don't know his real name.
	I think he pronounces it Chink.
	Chink Greek.
	Chunk.
	Chunk is easier.
	Chunk is easier.
	Here's looking at our elites of the world.
	This was very, very funny.
	So we arrested one banker, I think.
	And not even really for screwing the world economy, but this was the Indian guy, the Gupta guy.
	Who got nailed for insider trading.
	Oh, yeah.
	I think he was a fall guy, but anyway.
	Well, now the elites are coming out.
	Of course, he's going to get sentenced because he got nailed for insider trading.
	Here's a quote from Kofi Annan.
	Kofi Annan is the guy who fights for justice, who actually gave up, but he was fighting for justice in Syria.
	Kofi Annan says to the judge, I urge you to recognize Rajat for the good that he has done in this world, to give him the credit that he deserves for helping others, and to take into account his effort to improve the lives of millions of people.
	Okay.
	What?
	Yeah, that's Kofi Annan.
	But who's next?
	Bill Gates checks in.
	I wanted to add my voice to those of other friends and colleagues of Rajat Gupta who are writing to you in order to round out Rajat's profile.
	He says he's on the board of the Melinda Gates Foundation.
	So Bill Gates is in there shilling for him.
	We as a society need more visionaries like Rajat Gupta.
	Rajat Gupta is no threat to anyone inside or outside the prison fence.
	Neither is any other insider traitor.
	Yeah.
	And you know what?
	It might just work.
	These elite a-holes, they all stick up for each other.
	Well, that's pretty wild.
	You should denounce your Windows machine.
	You should throw it out the window right now.
	So, it reminds me of these people coming out of the woodwork.
	It reminds me of the Kenned Bunkport hooker.
	Am I missing a clip?
	No, I don't have the clip.
	But you know about the story, though, right?
	I have the link in the show notes.
	I didn't look at it because I figured it would...
	You rarely send me a link, so I just put it in there.
	I didn't look at it.
	Tell me the story.
	Well, there's a hooker.
	Who ran a...
	I guess she was a personal trainer or she ran a yoga studio or something in Kennebunkport.
	And they busted her for prostitution.
	Isn't that where the Kennedys had the compound?
	That's...
	Oh, this may be Kennebunk.
	Oh.
	It's not Kennebunk Port.
	It's Kennebunk.
	It's right next door.
	It's the other side of the tracks where the hookers are.
	And I guess she was screwing everybody.
	The other side of the bridge?
	Is that possible?
	Yeah, something.
	I'm glad she thought that was funny.
	Anyway, she was, I guess, and she apparently had the bad habit of filming everything.
	Oh.
	So she has all these tapes.
	I hate it when my hookers do that.
	And all these guys.
	And the thing goes on, and I thought I had a...
	Oh, actually, now I remember where the clip went.
	I don't have it on my list here.
	But there's a report I had that took it from the YouTube.
	Anyway, the...
	They're making a big stink about this because she apparently has a black book with all the stuff, people's names.
	But I'm watching this report and they're going on and on and on and on and on.
	And then they said, yeah, she's indicted.
	It's a misdemeanor in the town.
	So this is like nationwide breaking news and it's a crappy misdemeanor.
	But this is not a good idea to have black books and videotapes and tell people about it.
	This is usually how you wind up suicided.
	This is not a good plan.
	I think she was an idiot.
	Not a good plan at all.
	But I'm reminded of that.
	Why are these guys coming out of the woodwork to defend Gupta when they should probably be staying away from it?
	Because it sounds to me as though they've got something to do with insider trading.
	Mm-hmm.
	Oh, right.
	Oh, ooh, ooh, ooh.
	They're worried that he might blow the whistle on them.
	So they're like, yeah, my buddy Gupta, come on, man, go easy on him.
	Yeah, because once they flip a guy like that, let's face it, he's not the only guy doing illegal trades.
	No, you're right.
	And he must know everybody and their sister.
	And so now these guys are getting on his good side, it seems to me.
	That's the only reason.
	That's what the hooker, this is just what happens with the hooker.
	You know, the judge lets her off.
	Why?
	Oh, well, gee, judge, lift up them robes.
	Let's see if we can get a match.
	Wow.
	So anyway.
	Okay.
	Well, Rajat is cruising for freedom, and the hooker is cruising for an unfortunate lead poisoning at high velocity.
	She is.
	Wow.
	She barely taped all of her encounters.
	That is so not smart.
	Yeah.
	And they have the tapes, so now it's evidence against her.
	The whole thing's a disaster.
	Wow.
	Well, maybe now would be time for me to...
	To sit down and...
	Well, actually, I'd like to continue our celebration, John.
	Our celebration of National Cybersecurity Awareness Month.
	Oh, that's right.
	It does not stop.
	It started at the beginning of October.
	I took part today.
	I took part today.
	Oh, yeah.
	What did you do to celebrate National Cybersecurity Awareness?
	I upgraded Avast.
	Avast?
	Yeah, it's the current anti-virus software.
	Free.
	Free anti-virus software.
	Oh, free.
	Oh, yeah.
	And it comes up, bing!
	Your vest needs to be up for dated.
	Yes, no.
	So you're guaranteed they can spy on you now.
	That's good.
	Good job.
	I always make sure there's a backdoor.
	Well, everybody is celebrating along with us.
	CNN. Iranian hackers have launched a cyber war on U.S. targets.
	That's according to the Wall Street Journal, which cites top U.S. officials.
	They say there's been a string of hacking attacks on American banks and on oil and energy companies in the Persian Gulf and Middle East.
	Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is sounding the alarm.
	Yes, and of course, CNN and the Wall Street Journal, we cannot leave out CNBC, also celebrating Cybersecurity Awareness Month.
	Wells Fargo, America's fourth largest bank, has been hit with a cyber attack.
	The bank says no major damage was done to their accounts.
	U.S. officials are now saying Iran and others are now repairing a cyberattack on the U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta suggested a Pearl Harbor type threat and he laid out his worst case scenarios.
	So I pulled a number of clips from this speech that Leon Panetta gave in New York on the Intrepid Before the Business Enterprise Organization.
	And I think some of them are a couple minutes.
	Would you like to go through these?
	Because his whole speech was 40 minutes in total.
	I've been able to boil it down.
	But I think what he was saying is so incredibly important so that we understand just how screwed we are as freedom fighters on the Internet.
	You and I are going to be off the air very, very soon.
	I wouldn't be surprised.
	The first thing that I found very interesting was Panetta's connection to 9-11, which I didn't even know there was one.
	A strong national defense is all about, and you understand that a strong national defense and a strong economy go hand in hand.
	Let me see, is that the one I was looking for?
	I think so.
	With that in mind, tonight I'd like to discuss with you An issue...
	Oh no, I'm sorry.
	We'll just listen to this one.
	I have no idea where that clip went.
	...that I think is at the very nexus of business and national security.
	The threats facing the United States in cyberspace and the role that the Defense Department must play in defending this country from those kinds of threats.
	We're on an aircraft carrier, a famous and great aircraft carrier, and it's a fitting and appropriate venue to have this discussion.
	This ship and the technology that's on display at this museum attest to one of the central achievements Of the United States in the 20th century.
	You know what's so horrible about this guy?
	When he talks, he takes so long to get the words out.
	Now, when you use audacity, you can crank it up and you can speed him up.
	It's annoying, but therefore, it was easy to edit.
	Well, so far, you didn't edit that part out, and it's pretty dull.
	Yeah.
	Well, then let's go to the exciting bit.
	But even more alarming.
	Is an attack that happened two months ago when a very sophisticated virus called Shamoon.
	Shamoon!
	Have we heard of the Shamoon virus, John?
	It doesn't ring a bell.
	Did your Vast update for the Shamoon virus, my friend?
	Ha ha ha!
	I don't think so.
	Listen to what this virus can do.
	It can destroy you.
	Infected computers in the Saudi Arabian state oil company Aramco Shamoon included a routine called a wiper.
	Oh, a wiper.
	A wiper.
	Not a folder, not a scruncher, but a wiper.
	Coded to self-execute.
	This routine replaced crucial systems files with an image of a burning U.S. flag.
	Okay, let me just get this straight.
	So it placed JPEGs instead of your registry or something?
	I don't know.
	Let's listen some more.
	How do you spell this virus?
	Shamoon!
	You can look it up in the Book of Knowledge.
	It is exactly his description.
	S-H-A-M-O-O-N. S-H-A-M-O-O-N. Okay, Shamoon.
	When you read the Wikipedia, you'll hear exactly his description.
	But it also put additional garbage data.
	Ooh, garbage data!
	That overwrote all the real data on the machine.
	This guy should be teaching IT. More than 30,000 computers that it infected...
	We're rendered useless and had to be replaced.
	Now, that's bullcrap.
	That's bullcrap.
	That's bullcrap.
	What?
	Yeah.
	No, no.
	But wait.
	But wait.
	Now, remember who he's talking to.
	He's talking to business enterprise executives.
	So, of course, first you say, Oh, my God!
	It blew up 30,000 computers!
	It virtually destroyed...
	30,000 computers.
	Then, just days after this incident, there was a similar attack on Ross Gas of Qatar, a major energy company in the region.
	All told, the Shamoon virus was probably the most destructive attack That the private sector has seen today.
	Okay.
	Really?
	Now wait for the scary bit.
	Imagine the impact an attack like that would have on your company.
	You a-hole!
	First you lie about how the computers were trashed, and then imagine if that happened.
	If that happened to your company.
	Imagine if that happened.
	So this goes on and on and on.
	And you can see in the Wikipedia, it is literally the same example of the 30,000.
	It's a relatively new article.
	So whatever.
	Shamu virus.
	Okay.
	Fine.
	Fine.
	So what do we need?
	What do we need for all this?
	We need new rules.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me tell you the...
	I'm looking at the great thing about Wikipedia now is you can look at the history of the article.
	And AT&T is the most recent editor.
	Someone at the AT&T Abuse Center.
	Yeah, this thing started showing up on August 19th of this year.
	Uh-huh.
	And there's two people, Numos and Thorwald.
	They're discussing it here.
	Yeah, Thorwald, yeah.
	It's shills, obviously.
	Of course it's bullcrap.
	So what do we need, John?
	What do we need to take action?
	What do we need?
	I don't know, but it's using 30,000 machines.
	We need new rules.
	Responding to the cyber threat requires the right policies and organizations across the federal government.
	For the past year, the Department of Defense has been working very closely with other agencies.
	To understand where are the lines of responsibility when it comes to cyber defense?
	Where do we draw those lines?
	And how do those responsibilities get executed?
	As part of that effort...
	The department is now finalizing the most comprehensive change to our rules of engagement in cyberspace in seven years.
	Okay, so we don't know what the rules are yet.
	But this is what's happening.
	We're changing the rules.
	The most significant change in seven years.
	We're in the process.
	No worries.
	We're getting there.
	Now, of course...
	The Department of Defense also has a role.
	It is a supporting role, but it is an essential role.
	And tonight I want to explain what that means.
	Thank you.
	But first let me make clear what it does not mean.
	It does not mean that the Department of Defense...
	Do you notice that he stumbles every single time he's trying to say Department of Defense, he says Department of Depends?
	Yeah, he seems to have trouble saying defense.
	...clear what it does not mean.
	Department.
	He's always saying department.
	It does not mean the Department of Defense will monitor citizens' personal computers.
	Oh, no, of course not.
	Hey, citizen.
	No, not at all.
	Hey, citizen, we won't monitor your personal email.
	We're not interested in personal communication.
	Oh, no, of course not.
	Or in emails.
	No.
	Or in providing the day-to-day security of private and commercial networks.
	Like Vast.
	That is not our goal.
	That is not our job.
	That is not our mission.
	Oh, Goody.
	Whose job is it?
	Well, the mission is, of course...
	The way he says it, he says it assumes that the way...
	You have to assume the way he made that phrase that somebody's job is not his, though.
	Whose job is it to monitor our email?
	The commercial companies.
	That's what he's leading up to.
	He's leading up to saying it is your job to do that.
	Is to defend the nation.
	Defend the nation.
	We defend, we deter, and have called upon...
	We take decisive action to protect our citizens.
	In the past, we have done so through operations on land and at sea, in the skies, and in space.
	In this century, the United States military must help defend the nation in cyberspace as well.
	If a foreign adversary attacked U.S. soil, The American people have every right to expect their national defense forces to respond.
	So it's kind of interesting that we're under attack right now because I heard it on CNN and CNBC. So we are under attack.
	So at any moment, Leon Panetta will don his Tron cyber suit and come to our rescue.
	How can you help companies?
	Ultimately, no one has a greater interest in cyber security than the businesses that depend on a safe, secure, and resilient global digital infrastructure.
	Particularly those who operate the critical networks that we must help defend.
	To defend those networks more effectively, we must share information between the government and the private sector about threats in cyberspace.
	We've made real progress.
	In sharing information with the private sector.
	Yeah, just go look on 2nd Street in San Francisco, or just look up Echelon, or wiretapping without warrants.
	We've made some real progress.
	But very frankly, we need Congress to act to ensure that this sharing is timely and comprehensive.
	Companies should be able to share specific threat information with the government.
	Without the prospect of lawsuits hanging over their heads.
	Oh, here we go.
	There it is!
	There it is!
	And a key principle must be to protect the fundamental liberties and privacy in cyberspace that we are all duty-bound to uphold.
	What could possibly go wrong?
	The fact is that to fully provide the necessary protection in our democracy, cybersecurity legislation must be passed by the Congress.
	Without it, we are and we will be vulnerable.
	And then, of course, we've got to wrap the whole thing up by really putting the fear of God into you while you're on an aircraft carrier in New York.
	Before September 11, 2001, the warning signs were there.
	We weren't organized, we weren't ready, and we suffered terribly.
	For that lack of attention.
	We cannot let that happen again.
	This is pre-9-11 moment.
	The attackers are plotting.
	Our systems will never be impenetrable, just like our physical defenses Are not perfect, but more can be done to improve them.
	We need Congress, and we need all of you to help in that effort.
	I want you to know that the Department of Defense is doing our part.
	Right.
	So, there you go.
	Pre-9-11, this is a Pearl Harbor event.
	Pearl spelled P-E-R-L. So, you should read my column, Cyber War, Bring It On, October 12th, PC Magazine, people out there.
	Oh, great.
	Where I discuss this exact topic.
	Yeah.
	And I have a couple good lines in here.
	One is...
	Now, according to the government officials, we have, again, a threat looming over our heads.
	This time it's a form of cyberterrorism.
	Never mind that the terrorists who we manage to identify tend to be living in mud huts in Waziristan, where they enjoy blasting them left and right with drone strikes.
	As far as I know, these folks and their dirt roads do not sit on any OC768 fiber network.
	Even if they have a phone line, it would be a miracle.
	Exactly how they can manage to get the skills necessary to develop complex cyber attacks is beyond me.
	You should have added in there, didn't our government just tell us that Iran was disconnecting the entire country from the interwebs?
	I mentioned that in the column.
	Oh, good, good.
	I mean, you can't have it both ways.
	There is Iran, or Iran, who, by the way, in the debates, it's interesting that Ryan pronounced it Iran correctly, the host pronounced it Iran correctly, and Biden pronounced it Iran.
	He's not in the loop.
	He's not in the loop.
	But here's where I was leading up to.
	This is some legislation.
	Unless you want to read more from your column, which I always enjoy.
	People should go get this column and they get a point here.
	I brought out everybody.
	Is there a free decoder ring if you read the column?
	Is there something?
	They learn something.
	So I have the latest draft document of CleanIt, the Clean IT, which is now circulating through the European Union.
	Now, we read this legislation earlier, the August briefing.
	And I have now come into possession of the most recent update.
	It is the Clean IT Project.
	This is from the European Union.
	There's a link in the show notes at 452.nashownotes.com.
	You can see the entire Clean IT site.
	This, of course, this document is not listed there because it is confidential, not for publication, limited distribution, This document, the recipient may share this document only with others within their organization on a need-to-know basis.
	Now, the fact that I am in possession of this probably means that it's being floated to see what the response will be.
	It's being purposely leaked.
	Yes, it is being leaked.
	I would like to read you some of the recommendations that will be a part of the legislation of the European Union as it pertains to terrorism, illegal activities, and the Internet.
	Are you ready?
	No.
	Okay, so the lead in the European Commission will be approached to consider finding a European organization that will adopt the results of the clean IT, continue its activities and host a new European public-private dialogue and cooperation format to reduce terrorist use of continue its activities and host a new European public-private dialogue and cooperation So what they're doing here is they're pitching for regulation and of course another government body that will regulate your internet freedoms.
	And in Europe, it is the European Commission who does this.
	They have all the power.
	These are the non-elected elites who run the show.
	So let's just run through a couple of things of what this will...
	Oh, by the way, governments that commit to this document will start the National Clean IT Cooperation format within half a year.
	So this is six months from now, John.
	We could be off air within six months, and I'll tell you why.
	Listen to what's going on here.
	Under the legal framework, internet companies must be obliged by law to provide LEAs, that's law enforcement agencies, but I'll just call them LEAs from now on because they use it throughout the entire document.
	With all necessary customer information for investigations of terrorist use of the internet, it must be legal for police officers to patrol on social media.
	This includes having a profile, joining user groups, sending and receiving messages on the platform.
	So we're going to have cops on the social media.
	Oh, this is a cop job I wouldn't mind having.
	Well, stand by.
	Hey, I'm going to be on patrol today.
	I'll be on Twitter.
	I need a break.
	No, I'm on patrol.
	Yeah, I got to take a break from Twitter.
	I'm going to go.
	I'll see you guys at lunch.
	I'm going to be on.
	Yeah, this afternoon I'm going to be patrolling Facebook, if you know what I mean.
	And then I'm going to go patrol friend finder, if you know what I mean.
	I got a camera.
	Got to check on everybody.
	Got to check on the terrorists.
	Okay, knowingly providing hyperlinks on websites to terrorist content must be defined by law as illegal.
	Let me repeat that.
	Yes, please repeat that.
	That was a good one.
	Knowingly providing hyperlinks on websites to terrorist content must be defined by law as illegal.
	Really?
	What is terrorist content?
	CNN. There you go.
	Terrorist content.
	States, and that means, of course, the member states of the European Union countries, must make clear that original terrorist content and terrorist activities on the Internet of people and organizations is illegal and should not be allowed on Internet company platforms.
	And the platforms is the thing that becomes very interesting because we're going to explain what that means.
	Okay.
	I love this.
	Judges, public prosecutors, and specialized police officers must be legally allowed to order by means of a notice and take action procedure to remove terrorist content from the internet.
	So that doesn't mean you're going to have a trial.
	That means specialized police officers can go, let's remove this from the internet.
	This is terrorist content.
	Let's get rid of it.
	Governments must have LEAs or intelligence agencies monitor terrorist use of the internet, but only monitor specific threats, not primarily the population as a whole or all internet use.
	Again, what could possibly go wrong with that?
	Governments have clear policies on intelligence gathering and when to take action against terrorists, radicalizing content on the internet.
	So now it's radicalizing content that they will be policing.
	Governments must have specialized police officers patrol on social media.
	There it is again.
	Governments must disseminate lists of domain names that are not allowed to be registered to prevent terrorist propaganda.
	So what would that be?
	Like what?
	Like, I don't know, noagendashow.com?
	No agenda.
	That's got a very nebulous.
	It's propaganda, man.
	It's to prevent terrorist propaganda.
	This is so open for interpretation.
	Governments must subsidize competent NGOs, that's non-governmental organizations.
	Well, that's going to have to be us.
	Exactly.
	That substantially contribute to reducing terrorist use on the internet and radicalize...
	That's what we're up.
	That's exactly what the No Agenda show is all about.
	But then we have to become a registered NGO. Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, there's money in it for us, I'm telling you.
	There's big money in it for us.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I don't have a problem with this.
	Okay.
	Let me skip down to the next bit here.
	And by the way, we also consider Hillary a terrorist.
	Yes.
	And just saying this is enough to get us kicked off.
	Now we have to implement flagging and reporting button systems.
	Flagging slash report button systems must be implemented.
	Where?
	Everywhere?
	Ah, yes.
	On my blog?
	Yes, I'll tell you.
	This has to happen on the following.
	Providers of chat boxes, email services, messaging systems, social networks, retailing sites, voice over internet protocol, web forums must all have flagging systems.
	Web forums.
	Now it's dumb.
	It gets better.
	The anonymity of the...
	Hey, boing, boing.
	Yeah.
	The anonymity of the reporter must be preserved.
	Reporter details must...
	Wait a minute.
	This is contradictory because there's other laws saying you can't have anonymity.
	What's the deal?
	Let me finish the sentence.
	Reporter details must never be shown to content owners.
	In other words, you can just go rat on people and you're never going to have any repercussions because you'll be protected.
	You'll be protected by ratting someone out.
	I'm ratting out the New York Times.
	Specialized NGOs should actively flag illegal terrorist content.
	Oh my god, John.
	Can you imagine just sitting around all day just clicking flagging stuff?
	All day.
	I don't like this guy's face, Dick.
	And it gets better.
	Internet companies could extend a higher credibility status to trusted flagging organizations.
	Ooh, trusted flaggers.
	I'm a trusted flagger.
	Want to see my flag?
	We'll have the brown shirts in cyberspace.
	I don't know about your flag, but I wouldn't mind seeing your poll.
	Hey, now.
	Voice over IP services.
	It must be possible to flag users for terrorist activity.
	There you go, Skype.
	How can you do that?
	Unless you're listening in.
	If messaging systems are attached, it must also be possible to flag specific messages.
	Some voice over IP technologies allow for conversations to be flagged.
	Yeah, I guess that's what Skype's doing.
	That's why they're sucking so bad.
	Yeah, too many flags clogging up the bandwidth.
	Internet companies offering users the opportunity to create their own subgroups should make flagging reporting buttons available on these subgroups.
	This is ridiculous.
	Now you're getting me mad.
	There's a column in this.
	This is my Monday column.
	PC Magazine, how stupid this is.
	You can't have every blog and every comment stream and everything else have a flagging button that goes to the government.
	And for the moderators...
	To remove content.
	So we need to have Nazis.
	That's what moderators can do already.
	Yeah.
	Nazis.
	Moderators moderate for a reason.
	Is it terrorism if somebody comes on the blog and says, you suck?
	Well, this is interesting because I'm glad you asked me that question.
	They're terrorizing me.
	Here it is.
	So they're calling for this advisory organization which will determine all of these things.
	This is the Ministry of Appropriate Freedoms.
	The organization will provide research and advice on terrorists and other content which is recognized as dangerous throughout the EU and in each individual country.
	They would be, the organization should provide advice on legislation and jurisprudence, academic work on the subject, material that can be researched and used for machine learning, known terrorist and extremist content, and here it comes, hate speech.
	Duh!
	Ha ha ha!
	Ha ha ha!
	So that's where you're going to get kicked off the interwebs, is because of your hate speech, because you said something hateful.
	You bullied somebody.
	Boo-hoo-hoo-hoo.
	And by the way, if you're going to join one of the NGOs, the Nazi group organizations, it states here specifically governments.
	Legal law enforcement agencies, NGOs, and internet companies could employ or use former terrorists and victims to reduce radicalization online.
	So there's a gig in it for you.
	So we can flip you.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	So, let's see.
	I had one more thing.
	Referral units.
	What are you reading from again?
	Why don't you remind me?
	This is the Clean IT, September 2012, Document for Best Practices and Permanent Dialogue.
	And this came from?
	From the interwebs.
	No, I mean it came from the EU? Or who's the author?
	This is the...
	I'll give you the website.
	Hold on a second.
	It is...
	Here it is.
	Come on, mouse.
	The URL is cleanitproject.eu.
	And they have the August...
	Up there, the August draft, this is September.
	This is reduced, so the most recent article on the Clean IT is reducing the impact of terrorist use of the internet.
	And so September is not published officially.
	Now interestingly enough, How does this differ from the August?
	Did you do a comparison?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	The August one is just like, oh, terrorists, you know, using the internet, whatever.
	Radicalizing.
	No, no.
	This has specific rules and regulations they're laying out here.
	You sure this wasn't just planted and it's bull crap and it never will appear in the real document?
	No, because the last time I got one, it was published a few weeks later.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Internet companies must only ask customers' users to identify themselves with real names.
	Wait a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	What are the cops doing?
	They're going to be patrolling the Facebook and the Twitter and the Friend Finder and all the rest of these things.
	Are they going to be using their real names?
	Office Sergeant John Jenkins?
	Well, I'm glad you asked that.
	We have the heading Virtual Community Policing.
	Let me read you some...
	And this, by the way, is all marked up in the show notes.
	You can download the PDF. Virtual community policing must be used to find and connect to persons in danger of being radicalized.
	There's a whole bunch of...
	Just arrest them and throw them in the slammer like we normally do.
	Virtual police officers should be...
	Oh, hey, I got a better idea.
	Why don't we find these people and then trick them into pushing a button that says there's a bomb blowing up a building?
	That would be a...
	Well...
	Are we doing most of the radicalization ourselves?
	I mean, just cutting out the middleman thing doesn't make sense.
	Then I'll jump straight to point eight.
	Virtual police officers should become members in extremist and terrorist fora as much as possible, subscribing to news, mailing lists, alerts, etc., to be able to detect any terrorist content or activity.
	It's saying it right there.
	The virtual police officers have to join the terrorist forums, which they call fora, subscribe to the news lists and mailing lists, I guess get involved in the community so you can then go bust people.
	Virtual police officers, on the other hand, should be easily recognizable, make clear they are real policemen, and use their real photos, names, and various ways to contact them.
	Ha ha!
	Virtual police officers should use...
	That's not gonna work.
	Virtual police officers should use easy-to-understand popular language, friendly icons, and profile photographs in order to lower the threshold of being contacted and in order to be effective in combination with the younger users of social media.
	What's up?
	Yo, brah.
	Yo, bro.
	What's up?
	What's up?
	You guys...
	Anyone leet around here?
	So, this is what's coming.
	And you know what's going to happen.
	There's no stopping this.
	And this is also going to be used for intellectual property.
	This is going to be used to curb your free speech, which you already don't have.
	Certainly not in Europe.
	Because you might be practicing hate speech.
	Oh, I hate speech.
	I hate hate speech.
	You suck.
	Yeah.
	Now, here in the United States...
	Isn't you stuck hate speech?
	It's totally hate speech.
	Yeah.
	Here in Gitmo Nation proper, AT&T has now announced that in November, they will start on their U-verse with these six strikes and you're out policy.
	And it looks like everyone else is joining in on this.
	So if you download, yeah, November 28th, customers whose accounts are repeatedly flagged, there you go, there's the flagging already sneaking in, for alleged copyright infringements, which means downloading something, will have their access to frequently visited websites blocked until they complete an online copyright course.
	Yeah.
	You need to turn on your speakers just a little bit, John.
	Just a tad.
	I'm coming back.
	This is a...
	Reminds me of Traffic School.
	It's exactly the same as Traffic School.
	And AT&T's U-verse is not the only one that's going to do this.
	Time Warner...
	Who else do we have?
	We have the...
	What's the other cable outfit?
	Time Warner, Comcast.
	Comcast, yeah.
	They're going to do it.
	Verizon.
	Everyone's jumping on the bandwagon.
	November 28th is when everyone's going to start.
	Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner, and Verizon.
	If you download something illegally more than six times, then you will basically only get a webpage that says you have to complete the copyright course.
	Hmm.
	Which is just like traffic school.
	You're right.
	Yeah, and you know what that means?
	This is what the scam is.
	I'll tell you right now where you're...
	Oh, it's a money scam.
	Exactly.
	This course is going to cost you $100.
	Why don't we set the course up?
	We should be ahead of the game.
	That's the first thing I thought of is...
	There's some money.
	We need something.
	Yeah, we do.
	I'm going to show myself the world by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	Come clean my course, man.
	In the morning.
	We do have a few people to thank.
	We want to thank them right now.
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	I couldn't find one in the email either.
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	Keep up the great work.
	And as Adam said, There's nothing funnier than making you say stuff in Dutch.
	To you.
	And you're really pretty good.
	So if it's an I and a J, it's an A. That's the only thing.
	So it would be bleift.
	Bleift?
	Where's the word?
	Okay.
	You see the ferder bleift lesen.
	Ferder bleift lesen?
	Right.
	Wait, now read the one after Lage Lande.
	Ongetwijfeld?
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	Ongetwijfeld.
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	Maybe I should take the language at a small course.
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	Keep up the great work.
	It's also my birthday.
	He says whoops.
	I think that's very funny, actually.
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	Double tap.
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	I propagate the formula and hit my husband in the mouth.
	Now he's addicted and propagates too.
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	Can you lower the speakers just a tad more?
	This is a funny irony to this.
	For one thing, you shouldn't be hearing the speakers because they got the mic set up in such a way.
	So I don't know where that echo is coming from.
	But one, the mumble configuration volume control doesn't do anything.
	And the system volume controls doesn't do anything.
	So you can't actually turn down the volume?
	No.
	I can't change the volume at all.
	I can't even mute it.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Because I'm hearing my voice come back, and I can see it's coming from you, because I can see your VU meter.
	It was possibly coming from me, but it's awfully sensitive, because it never has before, and whatever.
	You're stuck with it.
	No, it's alright, because what I've done here is I've just added a little more gait.
	So, you have to make sure you're talking to the mic, otherwise you're not...
	I'm talking into the mic now.
	Is this good?
	Yeah, what...
	Sir Scott in Leesburg, Virginia, 69-69.
	I haven't been getting any 69-69 action lately, and I couldn't bear...
	Oh boy.
	What?
	Oh boy, he's not getting any 69 action.
	That sucks.
	I couldn't bear the thought of you two suffering the same fate.
	Please send a double tap strike to the drone-loving drones with whom I work.
	By the way, there's a bunch of people like that.
	He wants a douchebag two to the head.
	Let me do that first.
	Douchebag!
	All right, you got it.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, there's a bunch of people out there that you talk, bring up the drones thing.
	Yeah, well, you know, we have to protect Americans.
	Seriously, it's weird.
	Well, they are programmed.
	The mind control is working.
	It's great.
	It's a success.
	Beth Visser in Winnipeg, Manitoba, 6969.
	I wish to wish my smoking hot DILF husband.
	Dad, I'd like to.
	Happy 33rd and the 13th.
	We both love the No Agenda Show and have filled many a road trip listening in.
	Our three human resources are often found singing the jingles.
	Douchebag being a family favorite.
	Hey kids, we got one for you.
	Ready?
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	Shut up, slave!
	There you go.
	Good job, kids.
	Keep saying that to mommy and daddy.
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	6969.
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	Here's my Swazzle Enough donation for the month.
	John Adam C. was 100% correct about my last name.
	Thank you, Adam.
	Please send me some 6969 Karma for adventures in such matters.
	Please keep up the great work on the media assassination and please, if you can, add some Canadian content.
	Us Canucks have been stepping it up, so I figure we deserve it.
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	Promise.
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	And Dr.
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	I didn't get my karma last time, just my Italian shut-up slave.
	Oh.
	So I've been sitting here with my mouth shut.
	Please give me some long-delayed karma.
	Hopefully it has been sitting in the charger and a karma dose for all my Long Island No Agenda karma.
	Yeah, we both screwed this one up.
	That was dumb.
	By the way, that Islip town is pronounced Islip.
	Yeah, Islip.
	Yeah, I should have known a lot better.
	Honestly.
	It's the airport when you fly in at some point.
	Okay.
	Alright, here's the karma.
	Sorry it took so long, but it'll do it.
	You've got karma.
	Why do I say Islip?
	Why?
	But it's Islip.
	I'm never going to...
	That's a correction I can't make.
	It's like...
	Yeah, you can.
	I can't seem to get that right.
	Okay, John, hold on a second.
	Just close your eyes.
	Alright, I'm going to anchor you forever.
	Islip!
	Islip!
	You'll never forget.
	Iceland.
	Sir Michael Miller in Tiburon, California, 69-69.
	Is it over, he asks?
	Apparently not.
	It probably is this week, though.
	John Haller, Missoula, Montana, 69-69, Letterman country.
	Some of this must go directly to Adam and Miss Mickey for quitting smoking.
	Yay!
	Congrats, and spend it on some new computers.
	I nearly died laughing two weeks ago as you struggle with Skype and mumble.
	I get excited on Sundays and Thursdays, awaiting the day's deconstruction.
	I just attended a lecture by Robert Hastings, author of UFOs, The Untold Truth.
	He calls it a government cover-up for unknown reasons.
	What do you two rational thinkers think about UFOs?
	Are you kidding me?
	They're real?
	Of course.
	I'm a believer.
	I have no karma or anything.
	He's retired.
	But he is the last on the list of...
	69!
	69, dude!
	That totally...
	That has to kill it now.
	That's our 69-69 segment.
	No, no, that's...
	I can't...
	Well, maybe somebody else will come in one more time.
	I just can't see this.
	This has almost been a year since Carrie Shun...
	In Deutschland started this thing.
	Has it been a year, really?
	A year?
	I think it's almost...
	I have an original note here somewhere.
	I'm going to dig through and I'll get the date.
	Harvey Lee in Federal Way, Washington.
	Now we have our 5555 thank you donations.
	One of the things that makes me laugh, your attempt to pronounce Dutch names.
	If you can pronounce...
	Ugh, nuts.
	I would have gotten this right.
	Hugens correctly.
	To Adam's satisfaction, I'll make four more donations at 5555.
	Here, that means give me some...
	Incorrect pronunciation.
	Well, tell me how to pronounce it.
	Huygens.
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	Look, you want to get more donations or you want to mess around with me?
	That's what I'm saying.
	I'm just saying what you say.
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	Wanted to get this in for the fifth anniversary.
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	As an aside, the last one of the big distractions was the Romney wants to kill Bigberg meme.
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	Yeah.
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	Could I get a two-to-the-head, shut-up slave combo?
	You know what's really a shame?
	By the time he hears this episode, we'll be off the air.
	Probably.
	Slave.
	We have to really struggle to get to the fifth anniversary from the sounds of things.
	Well, that's going to take six months.
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	5510.
	Please credit this donation until Sylvester J. Taylor IV. Sylvester J. Taylor IV. Keep hitting him in the mouth and please de-douche my black ass.
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	Wash it all off.
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	I'm assuming he's got a donkey in the backyard.
	Brett Farrell, Mason, Ohio, 50.
	And finally, our Sir Mike Westerfield from Parts Unknown, although I think we do know, 50.
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	Your hookers and blow, rent boys and chardonnay, gaishas and sake.
	Actually, Mickey made me say geishas in sake.
	She said we were saying it wrong.
	It's geisha, not geisha.
	I never said geisha.
	No, I guess I did.
	And I knocked off my crap.
	My light fell off my desk lamp.
	I was so excited.
	When I do these night hoes, I actually...
	You like to be in the dark when you podcast.
	I do.
	Like in a cave.
	But I actually have a...
	Oh, man, it broke.
	Oh, crap.
	Now you can't see your keyboard.
	Turn the light on in the room.
	Well, you know, the thing is I have a light that actually just is clipped onto the monitor.
	And when I do these night hoods, I actually wave my arms.
	You know, I am doing the whole chunking thing.
	You know, I get all wild and stuff, and so I knocked the light off and broke the whole attachment while I was at it.
	I'm reminded, I'm walking down the street, and there's some woman sitting on a park bench on her cell phone yakking at somebody, and she's wiggling her arms all over the place as if this gesticulating actually is being communicated somehow magically over the phone.
	Well, that's pretty much me, John, just like that.
	I'm gesticulating.
	So I promised some Canadian content.
	Here it is.
	A page dedicated to Amanda Todd's memory.
	The bullies have found her again.
	The hangman's noose below it.
	Rest in peace, Amanda.
	Laugh out loud.
	I'm so happy she's dead now, wrote another who identified herself as a classmate.
	And pictures, the one the teen wished she'd never shared, posted over and over again.
	Police investigating her death are now also investigating this.
	What?
	So clearly you need a little setup to this clip.
	This is about Amanda Todd, and there's a reason why I'm playing this clip.
	Amanda Todd, who killed herself after being cyber-bullied in Canada.
	...identify an individual that may in some way have played a role in her ultimately making this terrible decision.
	This is Amanda Todd just weeks ago in flashcards detailing a teenage mistake.
	A nude photo sent in Trust, then broadcast for all to ridicule.
	She changed homes, she changed schools, but the internet bullies wouldn't allow the gossip to die.
	The 15-year-old killed herself Wednesday.
	Her mother said she's proud her daughter made that video.
	She didn't want anyone to feel the pain that she felt.
	She had the biggest heart.
	It changes your life forever.
	If anyone understands this pain, Alan Hubley does.
	His son Jamie was bullied.
	Last October, the 15-year-old killed himself.
	Hubley's been fighting for change ever since.
	People in British Columbia will come together and just say to the bullies that it's over.
	The game's up.
	Stop.
	Cyberbullying and sexting are words experts say need to become part of all Canadians' vocabulary.
	Advice for parents, educate your kids, remind them what goes online stays online.
	Just like they teach kids about being street smart and street safety, they can teach about cyber safety.
	While police investigate how and why Amanda Todd died, BC's premier is calling for change, potentially making cyberbullying a criminal offense, identifying and punishing kids who hurt kids.
	Ah, there you go.
	There you go.
	It will become a criminal offense to bully online, and are you still with me, John?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I would like to remind everyone that we have seen this happen over and over again where kids get cyberbullied and then they wind up committing suicide.
	Usually the lawyers who come out for this are representing certain other entities because what is not being told in this story, whenever I read this, whenever I read Teen Kills Themself, Because of bullying, I immediately Google for the following, and here it is.
	Amanda's bullying continued despite moving to a new city.
	Antidepressants and counseling did little to combat the severe depression.
	What happens is these kids...
	Of course, they become depressed.
	It sucks to be bullied.
	This is when parents need to step up.
	You need to help your child, not take them to the doctor and put them on the drugs where the commercial literally says may induce thoughts of suicide in young people.
	These kids are killing themselves because you put them on the drugs that make them kill themselves.
	Stop doing this.
	It is not the cyberbullying.
	It is the drugs that are supposedly helping them against their depression.
	Stop giving your children these drugs.
	You can Google it every single time.
	Yeah, I think you're probably right.
	It makes sense.
	You remember that we had that big one here in America.
	And then the lawyers who showed up were lawyers for pharmaceutical companies.
	Because they want to steer these poor parents in the direction of, oh, it's cyberbullying, we need laws against cyberbullying, which of course will completely shut down free speech, because it'll be hate speech, or terrorism speech, or radicalization speech, or whatever it is.
	Please, don't look at the antidepressants we had the kid on.
	Don't look at the meds.
	That had nothing to do with it.
	Yeah, I'm thinking that's probably right.
	Yeah, dope somebody up and...
	Yeah, dope them up.
	They get weirded out, especially kids.
	She's only 15.
	Yeah, and don't the commercials specifically say...
	Yeah, no, they do.
	We play those commercials constantly with all the disclaimers.
	Yeah, they say specifically, may cause suicidal thoughts in young people.
	Hmm, okay.
	Well, that's your Canadian news, ladies and gentlemen.
	We try to stay upbeat.
	How's that working out for you?
	Alright.
	I got a couple of interesting items.
	These are like old stories that were never reported that I remember.
	When I watched them, I said, what?
	I didn't know this.
	What?
	I didn't know that.
	Now here's a couple of them.
	Let's go through them.
	I got three.
	How about the weird Gore-Bush debate anecdote?
	Now let me set this up.
	They were discussing with some consultants how you do practice for the debates and all the rest of it.
	And these consultants dropped a little bombshell in here that I had no idea...
	This was during the Bush-Gore debates of 2000.
	I keep up with the news.
	I never heard this story, ever.
	You never see videotape of this.
	You don't even see pictures.
	No.
	There's a reason why.
	You don't want to show those vulnerable moments.
	We don't want to give away any component to our prep.
	In the 2000 campaign, one of McKinnon's secretaries gave Bush debate prep video to the Gore campaign.
	The Gore campaign very smartly went right to the FBI. And what happened to her?
	She went to prison for a year.
	Well, I remember that.
	Wasn't that they were getting it off of the satellite, off of the raw feed?
	Wasn't that how they were obtaining that video?
	That's illegal.
	I'm just saying, that's...
	No, apparently they had some tapes and this woman, who I guess was a double agent for the campaign, if you want to call it that, she gives this stuff over to the Gore campaign and they call the FBI and they throw the woman in prison.
	For doing what?
	For stealing the sex tape.
	I mean, really?
	What was there?
	Something more to this?
	This doesn't sound right.
	Well, it's theft, I guess you can call it.
	I mean, all these, you know, the DNC, the RNC, they're incorporated, they're corporations.
	So that's industrial theft, industrial espionage.
	So meanwhile, there's this story that's floating around, which the mainstream media didn't pick up, and I think it's just a provocative action taking place.
	This came off of, I think, the Chinese news.
	This is a simulated drill that's going to take place with the United States working with Japan.
	And tell me what you think this might be about.
	The Japanese newspaper Sankei Shimbun reports that the US and Japan will hold joint military drills in November near an inhabited island in Okinawa Prefecture.
	Naval, land and air forces from both countries are expected to participate in the drills, which are reportedly aimed at simulating the retaking of an island occupied by enemy forces.
	Hmm.
	Gee.
	What do you think that might be about?
	Well, a couple of things.
	We've got to keep these Chiners in check.
	Because these Chiners are doing some really bad stuff.
	There is an all-out assault on our petrodollar by the Chiners.
	They are making their own deals outside of the U.S. petrodollar system.
	What do they have, like 10 countries now they're doing oil deals with?
	We've got to check these guys.
	And now they're moving in Toledo.
	They're in Ohio.
	They're all over Africa.
	I forget Toledo.
	They're taking over Toledo.
	Oh, no.
	Holy Toledo.
	So we've got to let these Chiners know that you can't mess with us that way.
	And then there's this clip, which this is the...
	I'll set this up.
	This is the odd TEPCO analysis.
	This is just a clip of Palooza you're laying out on me here.
	Come up a palooza.
	This I didn't realize.
	I think we may have talked about it.
	I don't remember this specifically.
	But they're reanalyzing.
	They had an independent panel look at the meltdown of the reactors in Japan.
	And by the way...
	I just want to remind some of our listeners who were all panicky about these things we're going to blow.
	There's fake reports that were put out there that we're supposed to bite into like some other deconstruction shows might have done.
	You mean like people getting Geiger counters to check their sushi, John?
	Is that what you're talking about?
	Yeah.
	Ready?
	Now, this I did not know.
	You ready?
	Yeah, this I did not know.
	And I want to talk about this after we hit it.
	And still with news from Japan, the head of Tokyo Electric Power Company's new independent panel says the company blew it on nuclear plant safety.
	It was the first time the company had admitted that last year's nuclear crisis was avoidable.
	The operator should have known if certain things happen, they vent.
	If certain things happen, they add seawater.
	I can assure you in the United States, if they had an issue of reactor cooling, where the core was about to become uncovered, the operators would not call the CEO of the company, and they certainly would not call the President of the United States, and ask, could they do that?
	They would do it.
	So what he's saying, he didn't come out and say it, but apparently the guy's running these reactors, the thing is falling apart, and the guy says, what are we going to do?
	We can follow procedures.
	No, let's call the boss.
	Well, that's exactly how it works there in Japan.
	That's the whole culture.
	Yeah.
	So they called the boss, and I guess they called the Prime Minister somebody to the Premier.
	I mean, they wouldn't, they didn't just take care of it.
	This is really a flaw in certain Asian cultures.
	I mean, this is like...
	But what I'm not getting from the report is, did they get through to the boss or the Premier, and what was the answer?
	Well, I don't know if they did.
	It sounds to me that the guy wasn't home.
	Yeah.
	Well, let's just let it melt down until he gets home.
	Hey, Jinson, no one's home, man.
	What are we going to do?
	I don't know, dude.
	Call again.
	Call the Prime Minister.
	Do you have a cell number?
	Post it on Twitter, man.
	I don't know.
	We've got to get through.
	And so I have one other one that's a little tidbit that is just completely alien to me.
	This is something of a long clip, but it adds a little piece of, a fundamental piece of information that I think we need to know on this show.
	And apparently the French, especially with Hollande, really intend to be one of the players.
	I don't know, I guess they got this hair up their ass.
	They want to be now one of the players in Africa.
	Before we play the clip, can I ask you a question?
	Sure.
	The hair up your ass analogy is an interesting one.
	Is this something that actually has happened to you?
	No, it's just an old phrase.
	But does it come from, in the old days, people used to have a hair up their ass?
	I don't know why it's even used as a term.
	Just ask and thought maybe you had an idea.
	You never heard it before?
	Yeah, but only now that I just think about it.
	It's like, wow, is that annoying?
	Well, I didn't really expect to deconstruct old colloquialisms on the show.
	I mean, every time I say one of these old things, like cripes...
	Well, no.
	In fact, yes, we have discussed cripe.
	We have discussed get on the stick.
	We've discussed fiddle sticks.
	We've discussed all these things.
	I don't say fiddle sticks.
	We've discussed it.
	I don't even remember what was Phil's sticks.
	And we discussed your mother wears army boots.
	Ah, that was a good one.
	Yeah.
	But hair up your ass.
	I'll look it up while we listen to the clip.
	It's supposed to be a celebration of the French language.
	Seventy heads of state are gathering in the Democratic Republic of Congo this Saturday, along with French President Francois Hollande.
	But the summit is shrouded in controversy.
	Earlier this week, Hollande himself said the situation in Congo was unacceptable in terms of human rights, democracy and the respect of the opposition.
	But he agreed to attend in an effort to promote democracy in Africa.
	Earlier, we spoke to our reporter, Nicolas Germain, who's covering the summit for France Fancat.
	He told us what's at the top of the agenda today.
	Well we know that first of all they're going to talk about the crisis situations in the francophone areas and first of all about Mali and northern Mali.
	The territory is occupied by Islamist forces.
	They will discuss the possible military intervention of a regional force.
	They will also talk about Congo here where in the east of the country the M23 rebels are opposed to government forces.
	The UN says that Rwanda supports these rebels.
	Kigali denies the accusations.
	So here today, the Congolese and Rwandan delegations will be able to discuss that topic.
	And of course, it's a Francophone summit, so they're going to talk about the future of the French language.
	Today, French is spoken by 220 million people.
	In 2050, 700 million people will talk French, and most of them will be here in Africa.
	And they will all be singing Swazolnauf.
	Did you know that 700 million people are going to be speaking French and most of them in Africa?
	It is still, I believe, the official language of politics.
	French.
	Yeah, I think it's still the elitist language.
	I think that ended some time back.
	Well, not according to the French.
	I just thought that was peculiar.
	Well, you know, the French colonialism certainly spread out quite a bit.
	I mean, you talk to any of these people from Africa, they all speak French, most of them.
	And then I have the one last thing, which is my clip gone bad.
	Hold on a sec.
	Clip gone bad.
	all right was that actually broadcast that way on rt no it was a clip gone bad uh Oh, okay.
	Wow.
	Gee.
	The correct use of the phrase is have a wild hair up your ass.
	Not just a hair.
	I guess it's been concatenated.
	Yes, it has been.
	A wild hair, which would be a psychological irritation.
	A wild hair.
	No, that doesn't...
	There has to be a better...
	There has to be an etymology that makes sense.
	Well, I'm looking at the etymology and there's, you know, 1952 as a reference, but...
	And it was as wild, H-A-I-R, H-A-R-E. H-A-I-R, I believe.
	You can have a hair across your ass.
	How about you can have a hairy canary?
	That's a good one.
	We should use the hairy canary line.
	I never heard it.
	What is it used for?
	As in wild hair up your ass.
	It's just another way to use it.
	Hairy canary?
	Yeah.
	Hairy canary.
	That's where we're going.
	Hairy canary.
	And we're sticking with it.
	Well, John, I think it is now time, since we have everybody listening, I think it is time to congratulate the European Union.
	Welcome to the program.
	This year's Nobel Peace Prize has been awarded to the European Union, the Nobel Committee, so the EU deserved the award for its long-term role in uniting the continent after World War II. Yes, that's right.
	I mean, how...
	How lame is this?
	It's as bad as Obama.
	I mean, yeah, we have a Nobel Peace Prize winner with a kill list.
	I mean, that was already crazy.
	But now, well, here's Barroso.
	He's very happy.
	Barroso thinks it's great.
	I have to say that when I woke up this morning, I did not expect it to be such a good day.
	Because, you know, Europe is going down in flames.
	Everything is breaking away, but we have a prize.
	It was with great emotion that I received the news of the award of the Nobel Peace Prize to the European Union.
	What?
	He said noble.
	Oh, he keeps saying noble.
	The European Union, then European community, has unified countries split by the Cold War.
	And has made it around the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, justice, the rule of law, and respect for human rights.
	And just wait until we get the police on the cyber networks.
	It will be great.
	Oh, sand in your vag is another one that's being recommended here.
	So here is, of course, our friend Nigel Farage, who pretty much expresses the same sentiments we have on the best podcast in the universe about this ludicrous, ridiculous, elite, megalomaniac-inspired idea and degradation of the entire concept of any Nobel Prize by handing it to the European Union rife with war.
	Let's get more on that top story, the Nobel Peace Prize being awarded to the...
	And please pay attention to the BBC shill trying to confront Nigel Farage about this.
	The European Union joining us live now from central London is the leader of the UK Independence Party, Nigel Farage.
	Mr.
	Farage, welcome to BBC World News.
	So, you've been phoning José Manuel Barroso to say congratulations, well done.
	Ha ha ha!
	You are so funny, newsman!
	I think the whole thing's a nonsense.
	I mean, if anyone's seriously suggesting that a democratic, stable, post-war Germany would have invaded France again with the intention of smashing it to smithereens, I would suggest they're misreading history.
	I don't believe there was any prospect of war.
	What's happening in Western Europe after 1945 and arguably projects that take different nation states, force them together under a new identity, a new flag and a new anthem, if they do it without the consent of the peoples, far from creating peace, This can actually create war as Yugoslavia has showed us.
	So I'm baffled by this prize as I think the viewers will be because the last big European story was Angela Merkel going to Athens and there we saw swastikas being flown and Europe now being dominated by grief, violence and division.
	So you've completely omitted or you've forgotten what the Cold War was about then?
	Yes, the Cold War was about NATO. NATO and the nuclear deterrent.
	The fact the Russians didn't invade us had absolutely nothing to do with the European Union, which after all wasn't actually fully created until 1992.
	So you're saying the European Union now is not about freedom, it's not about law, it's not about human rights, it's not about reconciliation?
	It's about the destruction of nation-state democracy.
	Mr.
	Barroso was perfectly clear one month ago in Strasbourg.
	National democracy has to go.
	It has to be transferred up to a European level.
	And that is being done without consent.
	And far from making the peoples of Europe love each other, what has actually happened is the Eurozone has divided Europe north to south and there are increasing, growing eminities and violence on the streets.
	Yippee!
	Who's that douchebag from the BBC? Jeez.
	This just in.
	Jerry Sandusky has won the Think of the Children Award.
	Oh, yeah.
	Geert Wilders had a good one.
	He said, what's next?
	Herman Van Rompuy wins an Oscar?
	Yeah.
	Oh, funny enough, the...
	That wasn't a good one.
	It wasn't funny.
	I liked that one.
	I liked it when it came out.
	You didn't like that one?
	No.
	It wasn't nominated.
	What was it?
	Iran has...
	They're creating the Islamic Nobel Prize.
	They figured, you know, the thing is now so devalued.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I missed this one.
	Yeah, Iran, which has themselves only one Nobel Prize laureate, announced the inception of a rival award intended solely for outstanding scientists of the Islamic world.
	This is great.
	This is very smart.
	But they shouldn't just do it for the Islamic world.
	It'll be the Great Prophet World Prize.
	Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
	This should be a fun ceremony.
	This should be great.
	There's a million jokes in there.
	I can't come up with one.
	Yeah, but they're in there.
	They're in there for sure.
	Let's just talk about this for one second.
	Why did they do this?
	Well, there's a couple of factors here.
	One, you have to remember, the country that does the Nobel Peace Prize is not the same country that does the Nobel Prize for Literature and Chemistry and all the rest.
	It's a different award altogether, and it is done out of Norway, as opposed to the Nobel Prizes, which are done out of Sweden.
	And Norway, ironically enough, is not part of the European Union.
	They stayed out.
	That's interesting.
	So I thought that, yeah, I thought that little, like, we're not in it, but you guys can hear or give you an award.
	Shut up.
	Maybe they were trying to buy them off or something.
	I have no idea.
	Wow.
	Interesting.
	Or maybe it was just poking their eye out.
	It's like, we're here, we're outside of that whole debacle.
	I know something funny.
	Let's kick sand in their face and give them the Peace Prize Award.
	You know, that element does exist in the awards system.
	all award systems, because I've been a judge in different awards, and every once in a while there's a political thing that takes place when you decide between A or B, which are both deserving, and you'll pick one or the group will pick one or somebody will boss everybody into and you'll pick one or the group will pick one or somebody will boss everybody into picking the one that will cause more controversy, or it'll be the one to just throw sand I mean, that does happen, so that wouldn't surprise me.
	Can you give me a specific example?
	Yeah.
	There was a Computer Press Award some time back.
	This was in the 80s.
	And I was a judge, and I was a co-judge, actually, with William Randolph Hearst III. Oh, Billy.
	Billy.
	And so the two of us were picking Best Computer Magazine, I believe.
	It was in 1985, I think.
	Set the stage.
	Are you on his yacht?
	He doesn't have a yacht.
	He doesn't?
	In fact, at the time, he was driving around a Honda Civic.
	But anyway...
	And it was one of those Honda Civics.
	You can find the old Civics.
	If anybody knows this, these old Civics, they had a – they were all right-hand drive because in Japan, they're all on the right-hand side.
	So they make the left-hand drive one special for the United States and other countries.
	But the way they did those old Civics, they still had the gears for the right-hand drive stuff on the – in the passenger side.
	So there was a little bump at the top of the floor panel that you could push down and stop the car from the driver's side.
	Wait a minute.
	All these cars had that.
	Did it have a clutch as well?
	No, there was no clutch.
	There might have been, but it was the brake that was sticking out.
	Really?
	Yeah, so you could...
	Every time I got in one of these cars, I'd always feel around for the bump, and then I'd slam on the brakes.
	It would drive the...
	What the hell's wrong with my car?
	Really?
	Okay, so you're full of lies.
	You are full of jokes.
	I've got a million of them.
	So anyway, so we came down to Byte Magazine and Computer Currents, which was a throwaway free newsprint magazine.
	And we just thought it would be so funny to give it to Computer Currents as opposed to Byte Magazine, which is like a big, you know, big fat magazine.
	This is like a local magazine.
	You couldn't resist.
	Oh, man.
	And that's the only example you have?
	I'm sure there are more.
	Yeah, I got tons of them.
	I'm just not going to tell you all the examples.
	Why not?
	Somebody will throw a brick through the window.
	Someone's pissed because I didn't get some hokey computer press award.
	Well, I'm just saying.
	Generally speaking, I played it straight, but there was always a little consideration.
	Like, who would get the most benefit from the award?
	Do these guys need another award?
	Wow.
	You know, that kind of thing.
	That's very common.
	Wow.
	And when you're in meetings, if you're like an editorial system, where they give out the top 100 people, you sit around a table, generally speaking, just the editorial staff, and somebody, they just throw out names, and it's like, I think you should be number 30.
	What about so-and-so?
	It's a 15.
	What's her name?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Let's put her up to number two.
	But don't put her number one because if she's number one, it won't be good.
	Let's put somebody else that she hates number one.
	Okay.
	How about this person?
	So spiteful.
	So spiteful and mean.
	Wow.
	That's what you do when you're in the business.
	So you think that goes on at the Oscars and the country music awards and all that stuff?
	Yeah, of course.
	All awards and all lists are bull crap.
	Top 100 most influencers.
	Come on.
	I mean, you know when they have the meeting, the guy says, well, this will really piss this guy off.
	Let's put him number eight and then put so-and-so number seven.
	I know that even happens when they do the richest list.
	I know they're totally making that up.
	Because in Holland, when I actually had a lot of money, they would put me on the list and they'd be like, he's got 50 million.
	I'd be like...
	I wish!
	They just make up numbers.
	And then they actually would have the audacity to say, well, you could always just open your accounting to us so we can take a look at it.
	It's like, yeah.
	Because I would always...
	I didn't want to be on your stupid list.
	I don't have that kind of money.
	I never did.
	But they would just put you on the list just to draw you in, I guess.
	I don't know.
	It's all bullcrap.
	In general...
	All press is bullcrap.
	The only thing that's not bullcrap is this program right here.
	Well, there's some truth to that.
	Do you remember the first time we met, John?
	And I hate to be revealing all this insight information.
	Are you kidding me?
	But I think you have to know this is going on.
	Donations are soaring through the roof as we speak.
	Because this is information people just don't get.
	So I think it's very smart you did this.
	We've met in 1993 at CNET. That's correct.
	And what was the occasion at CNET? Well, you were auditioning to be the host of something, to have the main host job that was eventually taken by Richard Hart.
	No, no.
	Incorrect.
	I'm sorry.
	We were doing...
	No, that's exactly right.
	No.
	Incorrect.
	I'll do it again.
	It was the pilot weekend.
	We were shooting the pilots.
	I refused the job.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	I refused the job because they weren't going to...
	I saw you standing up there reading lines.
	That was the pilot.
	It was the pilot weekend.
	And by the way, you're a handsome young man.
	So what show were you doing?
	What was the name of the show?
	No, they had me doing some...
	They had a couple of different things.
	What was the name of the show, the discussion show?
	Yeah, the discussion show.
	What was it called?
	I don't remember.
	Because I found yesterday...
	In cleaning up, so I did two things yesterday.
	One is a very, very unhappy moment on Friday.
	A very unhappy moment.
	I did my taxes.
	Because, you know, of course, is it Monday or Tuesday when you actually have to send the check?
	Yes.
	And we don't get no refunds around here.
	So I'm sure Mimi does your taxes, right?
	She took care of that for you guys?
	That's being finished as we speak.
	Yes, see?
	So I did it.
	Unhappy moment.
	And I'm like, you know, I'm so pissed off.
	Why don't I just continue and I'll clean out the entire garage, which included 10 boxes of crap that were unceremoniously packed by my ex-wife and shipped off to L.A., which means that literally, imagine a box and just throwing everything in there.
	Just like dumping a trash can on top of it.
	Yeah, it sounds exactly like my office.
	Right.
	And I cleaned up the studio, and I found the entire pilot tape of that whole CNET weekend.
	Because that was never broadcast.
	That way we were just doing a pilot to sell to cable stations, because CNET was supposed to be a cable channel before it became an internet network.
	And I have the pilot of that show that you did.
	Really?
	Mm-hmm.
	Can you make a dub for me?
	Uh, if I could even, if I can even find a machine to play it on, I'll make a dump for it.
	Oh, so you have probably an old, uh, umatic?
	No, it's a VHS. It's just, I don't have a VHS player.
	Oh, I do.
	You have a VHS player?
	Yeah, I'll dub it.
	I think it was called the Insiders or something like that?
	Maybe.
	Yep.
	And, uh, so I do want to reiterate, they offered me the job.
	I was doing it with Dr.
	Mae Jemison, the astronaut, you'll recall, beautiful black woman.
	Remember?
	You don't remember her?
	I can't barely remember what time I got up.
	And they offered me like some bullcrap salary and 18 million shares of stock.
	And I was like, well, how much do you have outstanding?
	They wouldn't tell me.
	I'm like, well, then there's no good.
	They're not going to tell me how many shares are outstanding.
	I don't know what you're giving me.
	And they want me to move to San Francisco.
	Interesting tidbit.
	I had registered.
	I registered for them on the spot that day, that weekend, CNET.com.
	And I hosted their email for at least six months.
	You did that with MTV, too.
	Yeah.
	Well, MTV, I set up a server.
	But this is just...
	I remember telling them, Kevin Wendell, remember he was sitting there and Halsey Minor?
	And I said, guys, this needs to be a computer thing.
	This is a whole computer...
	This cable thing, great idea.
	That's not where your future is.
	In fact, do you have a website?
	No.
	Okay, we have Prodigy.
	No, no, no, look.
	In fact, I'm not kidding.
	I used to forward Kevin Wendell and Halsey Miner's email to their Prodigy account.
	And I registered CNET.com on the spot and set up email aliases so that it would go to their Prodigy email.
	Again, ahead of your time.
	As with this show.
	Look where it got me.
	Yeah, nowhere.
	That's the problem with being that ahead of you.
	You're too far ahead.
	But that does qualify me as a visionary.
	Yeah, I guess.
	Well, that's interesting.
	So anyway, I'll make sure you get that one.
	I thought you were going for the main host of the whole network.
	No!
	No, they were offering me a job as a host.
	I don't know if it was the main host.
	I think it was the main host.
	But I said I wasn't interested because, you know, we're going to pay just not enough money to move out there, move my whole family, no security with this bullcrap fly-by-night operation.
	They had some talk show.
	Yeah, I didn't have much faith in them either.
	Talk show with some white-haired guy who was all grouchy.
	I'm like, this is going to fail.
	I'm just kidding, man.
	I love you.
	You know that.
	Wouldn't know what to do without you.
	Wouldn't know what to do without being able to talk with you at least twice a week.
	I'd probably be divorced again Yeah, it could be.
	But I'll tell you this.
	We'll play an end-of-show clip after this is over.
	Okay.
	UK and Russia and the Merchant Marines.
	Apparently the Russians want to give some old Merchant Mariners that were in the British Merchant Marines who went all through the icebergs to drop off supplies and award.
	And the British government, mainly because of that one douchebag guy that we keep pointing out, The foreign secretary.
	Oh, Haig?
	William Haig?
	Yeah, Haig.
	Haig, whatever.
	They said, no, you can't do it.
	You can't have the awards screw you.
	Okay.
	It's a big scandal.
	And please, everybody, enjoy your weekend.
	Remember us as you...
	Think about what you want to spend your valuable assets on if you felt this program was valuable.
	Dvorak.org slash NA. I am here in the capital of the Drone Star State, Austin, Texas.
	In the morning, everybody, my name's Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley.
	And let me look outside for a second.
	Yep, still foggy.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We will be back again on Thursday right here on No Agenda.
	No Agenda.
	If it fell overboard, that was a certain death.
	I mean, the temperature was well, well below zero.
	I mean, I was 18 years of age.
	18 years of age, going up to Russia and enduring all that hardships and whatever.
	But we'd done it with a good heart, because the job had to be done.
	John's stories and memories are among the most harrowing of the war.
	For the Russians, it was more than just supplies.
	It was psychological support, contributing hugely to the war effort.
	That's why in April, the Russian president awarded the Ushakov Medal to the Allies who'd taken part in the convoy missions.
	But incredibly, the British government's blocking Russia from rewarding British veterans for their valour.
	The veteran of the Arctic Convoys, in recognition of your outstanding contribution into our allied cooperation due to World War II. The description of the medal is attached forthwith.
	But apparently, unless the British government sanctions it, it's a non-starter.
	Which I think is unforgivable.
	Why?
	The Foreign Office says it's against the rules.
	In order for permission to be given for an award to be accepted, there has to be a specific service to the country concerned, and that service should have taken place within the previous five years.
	John's wife says that's ridiculous.
	They're all late 80s, early 90s, some of them.
	What on earth are they supposed to do over the last five years?
	They're still proud men of what they were during the war.
	It never leaves them.
	So why are they being penalized and not being given this medal?
	I think it's disgraceful.
	Absolutely disgraceful.
	Turn off your television!
	Wow!

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