I'm Heather Mullins filling in for Mike Lindell today.
And it's such an honor to be sitting here getting to fill in for Mike Lindell.
I mean, I've gotten to know him over the years as a journalist on the election integrity front, and I just have so much respect for him.
So it's truly an honor to be filling in for him today.
First on our schedule today is we're going to go out to Capitol Hill, where our Lindell TV correspondent, Allison Steinberg, is going to give us the latest on what's going on over there on the Hill.
Allison, thank you so much for joining us today.
Hi, Heather.
Thanks so much for having me.
Yes, it's an exciting day here on the Hill.
A lot's going on as we sort of wrap up the last week ahead of the break.
As we know, Congress is out of session for two weeks at the end of December to celebrate Christmas and New Year.
So lots to get done with the time remaining.
As we approach the end of the session here, there's rumors now that Marjorie Taylor Greene is potentially plotting, allegedly plotting, to try to oust Speaker Johnson before she is done.
As we know, she announced her resignation not long ago and is actually cutting her term short, leaving us in early January, January 5th, I believe.
And there's rumors around the hill that she's trying to get rid of Johnson before her time is up.
Now, what would need to happen is she would need to find eight others to sign on with her to move forward with this motion to vacate the speaker's seat.
We saw this back in October of 2023 with Kevin McCarthy, though, interestingly enough, Marjorie Taylor Greene did not support ousting Kevin McCarthy as speaker back then.
So it's interesting to see how she sort of changed perhaps on that note now.
But I do know that a lot of members of Congress are extremely frustrated with what is happening as far as leadership is concerned in Congress.
Lots of the MAGA members of Congress feel like not enough is being done.
They are expressing their frustration, like Congressman Eli Crane, who recently said we have this critical moment in time and Congress is behaving like it's business as usual when we should be acting to move forward with America First legislation that President Trump was elected on.
So it's a little bit frustrating at this point in time.
I know Congressman Tim Burch is also another member who has been very outspoken about his frustrations within Congress and how slowly things move and how really nothing gets done, which I think is a sentiment we all share right now as we approach the midterms and the outlook is not looking good.
Let's sit and listen to Congressman Tim Burchett with more on the inside scoop of what actually happens in Congress.
Watch.
You have a better connection with the American people in the MAGA base than I think possibly any member of Congress.
How do Republicans keep the House?
How do Republicans win?
It's a structural problem, Benny.
I think, yes, you know, I don't can't speak for the Senate.
I don't know Thune that well.
I mean, he calls me by my name.
I'm sure he's got a bouncer or a handbrake that says, oh, that's Tim Burchett right there.
Say hello to him.
Oh, hey, Tim.
But I feel like a lot of folks are undermined.
I think you've got staffers in key spots that are crooked.
I think they're in bed literally or figuratively with lobbyists and they kill very good pieces of legislation.
That's why you see study committees or they're going to study this bill for a year and then it, you know, then it magically goes away.
I think that's part of the design because they want to undermine Trump.
Ultimately, they hate him because he is cutting off their money.
And the Taliban bill, which I'll talk about in a minute, exactly, this proves my point, actually.
I've talked about this a lot.
You and I have talked about it, but you have a staff.
These committees are so big.
I mean, I serve on one committee that I know of has at least 50 staffers on the Republican side.
So you've got that on the Democrat side.
You've got a great piece of legislation.
It's not going anywhere.
You go to the committee and say, what's going on?
The chairman, they said, well, talk to this staffer.
It's under their purview.
You go in this office and generally some of them are pretty arrogant.
And it's kind of scary, an unelected bureaucrat who's sitting back there and, you know, no name, no.
Nobody knows who they are except.
So as Tim Burgett points out there, there's all these unelected bureaucrats behind the scenes that are actually running the show.
You know, we, the people, have elected these members of Congress to represent us, and they're not even doing that.
So it's extremely frustrating when, you know, we have measures like the SAVE Act that is just sitting in the Senate.
This would protect voter.
It would require voter ID in our federal elections.
That has yet to be voted on.
It's passed the House twice.
And what is the Senate doing?
It's just like nothing is getting done.
And I think the American people are fed up.
And, you know, obviously Marjorie Taylor Greene is too, amongst other members of Congress.
So, you know, we're in a critical time, Heather, where we have President Trump in office and we have a very razor-thin majority.
Why are we wasting the little bit of time that we have here?
It's very frustrating.
That is a great question, Allison, is that we have the majority right now, but are we making the most of it?
And it doesn't seem like it sometimes when you point out that one of the biggest talking points for Republicans coming into the previous election was election integrity.
They did a straw poll at CPAC and it was the number one issue amongst conservatives.
So why were we not able to pass something as simple as requiring voter ID?
It doesn't make any sense, Allison.
It makes no sense at all.
It's a question I will continue to ask so long as I am in the halls of Congress.
You know, I try to ask every member of Congress that I talk to what is going on.
I know, you know, much of the House is trying to pressure the Senate to pass this.
And I think when we get into the Senate, it's where we have the highest level of rhinos.
And, you know, it's basically just a uniparty.
They're all one and the same, two wings of the same bird.
So nothing is getting done.
And it's extremely frustrating.
Another issue that I think we need to be talking about as we approach the end of the year here is the healthcare issue because these ACA subsidies, these COVID-era subsidies that literally fund the current healthcare system are set to expire at the end of this year on December 31st.
Again, as we approach the end of this week, it's the end of basically the year for Congress.
So they have a lot to do and not a whole lot of time, which is extremely frustrating once again, because we knew these subsidies were going to expire at the end of the year.
This is a date Democrats actually set for these subsidies to expire.
Republicans knew this was going to happen.
And I love that they're all talking about reforming Obamacare, getting rid of it, repealing it entirely.
But what is the Republican plan to actually move forward with a new solution?
Well, I have yet to hear about anything.
We have heard about President Trump talking about these health savings accounts, just giving the money directly to the American people and bypassing the big insurance companies entirely.
But what is actually being done in Congress to codify that into law?
Well, nothing yet, unfortunately.
And the time is ticking, like I said, because these subsidies expire at the end of the year.
Now, Heather, we're learning that I guess because Republicans in Congress are so pathetic that they can't come up with an alternative plan.
Now they're actually going so far as to side with Democrats on the healthcare issue because they're just, I guess, at a loss for what to do now.
Democrats are proposing that we move forward with an additional three years of these ACA subsidies to kick the can further down the road for another three years.
They have a discharge petition out right now that would require four Republicans to get on board.
And it looks like they may have the four now.
In this post from Punch Bowl News, it's being reported that Fitz, Kiggins, Valledo, Lawler may be the four that are going to join on with Democrats to extend these Democrat ACA subsidies for another three years.
So again, Heather, instead of actually working together, coming up with a new solution, a new framework that would actually reform the healthcare system, Republicans are so pathetic.
They're now just going to throw all that behind them and side with Democrats on it.
It's just ridiculous.
Yeah, it's crazy because when you look at how many, I mean, look at how much, I mean, even just companies in the private sector have no issue getting, you know, the health insurance figured out.
Why can't our members of Congress?
It just seems like, you know, there's enough people that specialize in this stuff.
Why not create a model that works?
Or I just don't understand why they can't find a solution.
But are we, do you think, Allison, that we're going to be hitting another government shutdown?
Because we only have so much time on that side of things as well, correct?
Like, doesn't that only go toward the end of January?
Like, do you see negotiations happening or do you foresee another shutdown in January?
That's a great point.
And it's a question I've been trying to ask every member of Congress that I can talk to because you're absolutely right.
The government at this point in time is only funded through the end of January.
So we are, I think, very likely looking at another government shutdown in the near future.
Now, every member of Congress will tell you, oh, no, that's not going to happen.
It's very unlikely.
But given the way things happened last time, given the fact that even though Republicans do have this razor-thin majority, it still seems like Democrats are in control and Democrats run the show and Democrats get everything they want.
And we know last time the Democrats were using the American people as leverage, as they themselves said.
So if they need to do so again to move forward with one of their corrupt agenda items, then I wouldn't put it past them to enact another government shutdown again come January.
So time will tell.
Obviously, we'll see what happens.
Hopefully Republicans can get it together in time to prevent that entirely because I don't think another government shutdown would really behoove anyone, obviously.
Yeah, no, I don't either.
And then one other question I want to ask you too is about the Freedom Caucus.
I know Marjorie Taylor Greene was a member of the Freedom Caucus, and so was Congressman Matt Gates before he left.
Is like, what is actually happening with the Freedom Caucus?
How many members are still remaining now that we have, you know, Matt Gates and Marjorie Taylor Greene expected to leave in January?
Is that still a thing over there on the Hill?
That's a great question, Heather.
I haven't looked at the latest numbers of members in the Freedom Caucus, though I do know it's still, you know, ongoing.
And I do know Freedom Caucus are, you know, the real true patriotic MAGA members of Congress that we can usually count on to vote the right way and do the right thing.
You know, unfortunately, I feel like they are dropping the ball on this healthcare issue.
I'd love to see more from the Freedom Caucus on the healthcare matter and these other issues that we could be really making a good impact on.
But, you know, again, I just feel like they're sort of dropping the ball.
The only ones that I really hear from loud and clear on lately are Tim Burgett and Anna Paulina Luna, who are vehemently fighting against the swamp.
We know Anna Paulina Luna has her discharge petition out right now to ban congressional stock trading, which actually shockingly has bipartisan support.
So I think, you know, I got to give credit to her.
That is long overdue.
It's very disappointing that that's been able to go on as long as it have.
As we know, many members of Congress have come in, you know, making an average salary and leave millionaires.
So we got to put an end to that.
And, you know, I always love Congressman Tim Burchett, who just says it like it is and really, I think, represents the true American patriot.
So, you know, there's a little bit, a little bit of good there, but we need a whole lot more of it.
For sure, for sure.
And did we have like something with Rep Hakeem Jeffries in New York?
I see something here about him claiming Republicans are amidst the Civil War.
Is that this, I think, is a funny clip because it's maybe the only time in history I've ever agreed with Hakeem Jeffries.
He's just pointing to the fact that Democrats are always united on everything, no matter what it is.
Republicans, on the other hand, can't seem to get anything done because they're too busy fighting within the party.
And he perfectly outlines it in this little clip.
Let's take a listen to that.
We have a whole set of spending agreements that we need to find common ground on in advance of those agreements expiring in terms of the continuing resolution by the end of January.
We just need partnership on the other side of the aisle.
You know, what we have right now is that the Republicans are in the midst of an ongoing civil war.
I mean, Donald Trump is fighting with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Mike Johnson and John Thune are fighting with each other.
Corey Mills and Nancy Mace are fighting with each other.
House Republicans are strongly disagreeing with Senate Republicans.
The whole thing on the other side of the aisle is a mess.
Meanwhile, as Democrats, we just want to fight for working class Americans.
So I don't know if Democrats actually want to fight for working class Americans, but I do like that.
Go ahead.
I was just going to say, what are they saying?
A broken clock is right twice a day.
So that's very true.
Yes.
I mean, I really think the infighting amongst Republicans is going to be the downfall of us all, which is, again, just so tragic because, you know, we have the upper hand.
Let's take advantage while we can.
But I don't know.
We'll see what Congress can do.
Yeah.
Well, you really appreciate you joining us today, Allison.
Is there anything that we can expect between now and their break?
Anything big coming out that you're aware of?
We're hearing now the Epstein files will be released.
I don't know what Congress's role in all of that is.
That's set to happen Friday.
But I think it's just, you know, boring votes that are set to take place between now and then.
Things just kind of pop up last minute in Congress.
I'm always, you know, on guard to see what comes up throughout the day.
So nothing major yet.
I think everyone's kind of just ready to go on their two week long vacation.
So we'll keep you up there together.
And what a gift to America that would be if we actually got the Jeffrey Epstein files before Christmas.
I mean, this is something Americans have been asking for for a long time, but will we see them?
Who knows?
Who knows, Allison.
But thank you so much for joining us today on the Lindell TV or Mike Lindell show.
So I appreciate you.
Thanks so much, Heather.
All right.
So that was Allison with our updates from Capitol Hill.
And joining us next, a dear friend of mine that I met down in Georgia throughout my years investigating election fraud.
He's got a big update for us.
Plus, President Trump saying truckloads of new evidence coming out.
But we're going to take a quick break.
And when we come back, Jason Frazier joins us live on The Michael and Dell Show.
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And for the remainder of this program, I'm really going to zero in on none other than election integrity, something that brought actually Mike Lindell and I together.
That's how we met.
And I covered a lot down in Georgia.
The 2020 election is still being investigated in 2025.
We're almost in 2026, and still there's a lot of controversy.
You know, a lot of people think, oh, 2020 election, it happened years ago.
Should we still investigate?
And other people are like, yes, we need to get justice.
I happen to be in the camp that says we need to hold accountable the people that commit fraud in 2020.
Because if we don't, right, I liken it to a murder, right?
Just because you can't bring back a victim doesn't mean you don't investigate the crime and hold the killer accountable.
Well, in 2020, we had so many problems with our elections from the voter rolls to the voting machines to the ballot drop boxes and illegal ballot trafficking.
If we don't hold those people accountable, what precedent does it set?
And fortunately, President Trump agrees that there needs to be justice for what happened in 2020.
So I want to start this segment off by playing a clip from the president saying that truckloads of election fraud and information is going to be coming out.
Take a listen.
That's all they're doing.
They're good at cheating in elections.
Very good at cheating.
They're professionals at cheating because we won in 2016 by a lot.
The election was rigged in 2020.
We have all the ammunition, all the stuff, and you'll see it come out.
It's coming out in truck clubs.
And California's election, New York also, but California more than any other place is so rigged.
It's such a rigged election.
You know, we won the Hispanic vote.
So a lot of people say Republican wouldn't win California, but I won the Hispanic vote.
I won in Miami.
Think of that.
In Miami, I won the Hispanic vote.
Along the Texas border, I won every single city or town touching the Texas border, and they're 85 to 90% Hispanic.
We won the Hispanic vote.
If the vote in California was legitimate, which it's not, they have 38 million ballots.
Everything is mail-in voting.
They mail out 38 million ballots and they come in.
Where the hell do they go and where do they come from?
It's a rigged election in California because we would win California by a lot.
And again, they feel they have the advantage with Hispanic.
They don't.
Well, as you heard there, I mean, we all know that this is taking place, right?
And as I was listening to that clip, it actually made me think of the segment that you guys just watched me do with Allison and how we're unable to really get much done in Congress.
It really made me think: imagine how much more effective our members of Congress would be if we had actual free and fair elections that put the people America actually wanted in those seats, right?
Right.
Part of the reason that we can't get things passed like the SAVE Act is because there's a number of those seats that are essentially occupied by people that didn't legitimately win their races.
And, you know, we're going to go down to Georgia, right?
Two of the people there, Raphael Warnock and John Osaw from Georgia, they were in a neck and neck race with David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler back in 2020.
And there was a lot of shenanigans that I personally covered and exposed that happened in that Georgia Senate runoff races.
So, those two races alone at the time controlled our Senate.
Think about the magnitude of like stolen elections when it controls something like the outcome of the White House or the control of the Senate.
Election integrity is by far the most important thing that every American across this country, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, should be focused on.
And fraud occurs a number of different ways.
As I'm sure you've heard on Mike Lindell's show and the network, Emerald Robinson does a great job talking about election integrity.
But also, the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, came out recently saying now they know they have evidence of how these voting machines are compromised.
So let's take a listen at Tulsi Gabbard.
I've got a long list of things that we're investigating.
We have the best of the best going after this.
Election integrity being one of them.
We have evidence of how these electronic voting systems have been vulnerable to hackers for a very long time and vulnerable to exploitation to manipulate the results of the votes being cast, which further drives forward your mandate to bring about paper ballots across the country so that voters can have faith in the integrity of our elections.
So there you have it, right?
We know the voting machines are compromised.
Contrary to what the CISA director Chris Krebs in 2020 said, calling 2020 the most secure election in U.S. history.
But that was before CISA, you know, weighed in on that Curling v. Raffensperger case where Professor Alex Halderman hacked a voting machine in the courtroom with a pen.
And then CISA had to review Alex Halderman's report and weigh in to Judge Amy Totenberg saying, oh, well, would you look at that?
Yes, the machines actually can be compromised, but we have no reason to believe that they were in 2020.
Mind you, CISA didn't do a forensic analysis of any of the voting machines used in 2020.
So how would they, in fact, know?
They wouldn't.
And so joining me after this clip, I want to bring in Jason Frazier.
We're going to play a clip of him recently, actually.
He had a double voting case that was finally heard by the Georgia State Board of Elections.
And he goes into a lot of really good detail of his analysis of the voter roles and sort of some of the anomalies and very alarming data points that he found through assessing the statewide voter roles in Georgia.
So I want you to take a listen.
It's a pretty lengthy clip from Jason.
We're going to play his testimony and then bring him in on the other side to break it down in more detail for you.
So take a listen.
So as you've been hearing some of these other cases, double voting is a problem in the state of Georgia.
I would like to disagree with Anne Brumbaugh, her statement that all is well, everything has been fixed.
On those three sets of documents, the first one is a stack of addresses, which are all the exact same address with people registered within two different counties.
So what that means is somebody might be registered at, I'll make up an address, one Main Street in Fulton County, and their wife is registered at one Main Street in DeKalb.
Clearly, these addresses should only be in one county.
And that may not seem pertinent to this case, but what happens is let's say I live in Fulton County.
Somehow I got registered in DeKalb.
I may re-register in Fulton County.
Now I'm double registered.
Okay, so that is a problem.
So we need to be a little more thorough on that.
The next set are about 360 people that have 1,800 and 1,900 up to 1910 as their birthdays.
If you don't have a birthday, a lot of times you're not found in the voter rolls.
Thus, you end up registering twice.
Whenever they say, hey, we can't find you, you register again.
Or you go on my voter page.
I don't know anybody that was born in 1800.
So again, that's another issue.
The last stack of documents I gave you are approximately 1,000 people that are currently registered in Fulton County more than once.
There's a few people registered three times.
But the bulk of those, I just found them over the weekend.
This is from the December 1st voter roll.
A thousand people are currently registered in Fulton County more than once.
I view that as problematic.
What could happen there is if you registered more than once, which you might hear from some of these folks, is you request an absentee ballot under ID number one.
You get it.
You turn it in.
You go on my voter page and look yourself up.
Did I vote?
Was my vote counted?
But you're looking up ID number two.
It says you didn't vote.
So I know I would probably just go in person and make sure my vote counted.
These were all from 2020.
People were very excited to make sure the votes counted.
If you're registered twice, you could easily be pulled up two different times or be told, nope, you didn't vote.
So you're going to make sure you vote.
So I believe that onus should be on the county to prevent this, not on the individual.
And as we know, well, on these cases, almost every double voter I have found, one of their votes is via absentee.
We know that's a gap.
We know that should be looked at.
And whenever there's lots of ballots coming out, I don't know if these people filled out that absentee ballot or if somebody else did or if it was lost in the mail or they sat it on their counter and their spouse turned it in.
I don't know the ins and outs of what happened.
All I know is the root cause analysis.
Again, my background is mechanical engineering, so I always try to find root cause analysis.
We've got to fix the problem.
Everybody should be registered one time in the state of Georgia, one time in America.
I've also let this board know that I found last year 30,000 people that had moved to Florida registered to vote in Florida and they're still registered in Georgia.
That also is another problem, which allows people to vote in two states or somebody to vote for them if they mail, get an absentee ballot and it gets lost in the mail and somebody votes it for them.
Either way, it allows this to happen.
Root cause analysis says eliminate the possibility.
Fulton County, if you recall, a couple of years ago, the chair of the Fulton County Board of Elections said at the Board of Commissioners, Fulton County never does an independent search for anybody.
That's a problem.
They need to be looking at this.
I view this as a HAVA violation also because HAVA requires a process of finding double registrations.
Maybe we have a process.
I've heard Eric claims they help find double registrations.
But if that's the case, how was I able to find 10,000 people registered more than once in Fulton County a few years ago and currently today another thousand?
Clearly, we have a problem.
My focus here today is that you guys will look at the counties or the state or both to resolve this.
So these people aren't drugged through the mud on double voting that they may or may not have done.
Eliminate the problem.
Thank you.
And now joining us, none other than Jason Frazier himself.
Jason, thank you so much for joining us.
I mean, you're truly a blessing to the people of Georgia and your fight to get to the bottom of all this stuff is just so very much appreciated here at Lindell TV.
Thank you, Heather.
So I want you to just bring our audience.
I don't know if you've been on Lindell TV before, but bring our audience, the people watching.
Give us a little background.
What is your background, Jason?
You have quite some election integrity experience, but bring everybody up to speed.
Yeah, so I stumbled into this hobby, I guess you'd call it, or that's what some people call this kind of work after 2020.
You know, like a lot of folks, I saw some things that didn't add up.
You listen to one news station, they say one thing, another news station says the opposite.
So, where I come from, if things don't make sense, I like to just grab the data and look at it myself.
And that's what I did.
And I live here in Fulton County and happened to look at the Fulton County voter roll.
And it didn't take me very long at all to start finding people registered more than once.
You know, four and five times wasn't that uncommon.
And I just started adding it up.
And after a couple of weeks of digging in, I got up to 10,000 just in Fulton County alone.
I found a couple thousand people that were registered at an address called Missing Address Street.
And there was a guy named No Name, No Name.
Another guy registered as Missing, Missing.
You know, we hear about the truck drivers whose licenses say missing, missing.
Well, there was a guy registered in Georgia in Fulton County with that same name.
So, I mean, they just did not take the voter roll seriously.
I would say they currently do not take the voter roll seriously in Georgia.
And as you heard on my case with the state election board, you know, when people are registered more than once, they can vote more than once.
And in that hearing was discussing folks that were registered more than once within Fulton County, as that's what I stumbled on in the beginning.
But there are tens of thousands of people registered in Georgia and other states.
Because what happens is if you move out of state, Georgia just leaves you on for many years to come, a lot of times.
And if you, you know, you move to Florida, you could easily vote there and in Georgia, or somebody could vote for you if you have an absentee ballot.
So that sort of thing does happen.
We find double voters in every election.
What's changing now is we've got a very strong state election board and finally they're starting to look at these.
I turned in that case three and a half years ago and now they're just finally looking at it.
So the momentum is shifting.
We'll just put it that way.
Yes.
Is there a timeline?
Like, what all can the state election board do to remedy this situation?
And what does the timeline look like now that they've finally heard your case?
Well, the timelines are definitely improving.
I mean, it was, they had a three, four, five-year backlog of cases, but now I'll just put it nicely.
There was some delaying and stonewalling of the board on which cases they could bring up and which cases could get heard.
And certain people in power did not want double voting cases heard.
Thus, they just kind of went on the back burden.
And what happens is a couple of hearings ago, they brought up people that had double voting accusations against them just simply to close the case because it had been so long that they had passed away.
So you delay these long enough, they become pointless.
Totally meaningless.
They've got, and that is what the state.
Yeah, I don't know.
Can you hear me?
Okay.
He's so good.
So can you hear me, Jason?
Yes, yes.
It seemed like I had an audio glitch there for a second.
Right.
Somebody listening to our call, they don't want us to talk about election integrity, Jason.
It does feel that way some days.
Right, right.
I want to quickly play a clip of something that you mentioned in that testimony there about how Fulton County admitted to Commissioner Bridget Thorne when she was raising the question in one of their meetings that they're not actively removing dead people or felons or people that moved from their voter rolls.
So let's take a listen to this Fulton County sought here of one of the commissioners admitting that.
So my question is, are we doing routine maintenance of the voter rolls by removing felons, convicted felons from our list?
Commissioner Thorne, Fulton County never does an independent search for anybody.
Dead people, felons, people who live out of state.
Now, I mean, you brought that up, Jason, and you said you believe that's a HAVA violation.
So can you explain that?
Well, they are, well, Georgia law clearly stipulates that counties are supposed to maintain their voter rolls, but HAVA also has some language in there that states are supposed to have a process for merging duplicate registrations.
And again, if I, just with my computer sitting on the couch, was able to find 10,000 plus people registered more than once, and I don't have full date of birth.
I don't have their social security number, their driver's license, anything to systematically do this.
Literally, I'm just sorting the voter rolls.
And if I see a guy named Robert Smith and a guy named Bob Smith, both born in 1972 at the exact same address, pretty good odds that's the same guy.
And I mean, you're talking tens of thousands across the state like that.
If you have a hyphenated last name, you're usually in there two or three times.
If you've got a common name or a name that might be a Bob and a Robert, a lot of times you're in there as both, or one might have a middle initial, the other one doesn't have a middle name.
So it just goes on and on and on.
So they're not taking it seriously and that causes these problems.
So if it's a HAVA violation, is that something the DOJ can get involved with?
And have they?
Well, last Friday, I mean, the DOJ has been trying to get voter rolls across the country.
And my understanding is only four states have complied with that.
What I'm told is Georgia gave them a voter list, but it was an incomplete voter list.
So the way the law is, my understanding of the law is the DOJ can ask and should be granted access to a complete voter roll.
So that way they can check to see if there are non-citizens in there, to see if there are other issues.
You know, they should be able to get more access to something to a role than, say, you or I could have access to.
We have no business with SILS numbers.
I don't want to see them.
But one would think the DOJ should be able to have that so they can check to make sure only citizens are on the on the voter rolls.
Okay.
And now I know recently one of the other things the DOJ is getting involved in, there's a NBC article here that we can pull up.
I believe they're suing for the ballots there in Fulton County.
So have you been following this, this, the DOJ file suit to obtain 2020 election records in Fulton County?
Let's see.
Eight-page complaint filed in federal court in Atlanta on Thursday names Fulton County Clerk of Court Shea Alexander as a defendant, alleging that the clerk violated Civil Rights Act by failing to produce records tied to the 2020 presidential election as requested by state and federal officials.
So have you been following that, Jason?
Yes.
I mean, I live in Fulton County.
It's something that a lot of us have been following.
We've been trying to see 2020 ballots, 2020 information since 2020.
I mean, let's be honest.
And Garland Fabarito currently has a lawsuit trying to get a copy of those ballots.
The State Board of Elections has been trying to get a copy of those ballots.
Now the DOJ is trying to see those ballots.
I mean, there are cases saying that there were double scanned ballots.
There's pretty good evidence of that.
There are missing poll tapes.
There are all kinds of issues.
And all we want to do, all they want to do is see, you know, if you had this many votes, you should have that many ballots.
Make sure things tie.
And if they don't, we've got a problem.
But if there were no problems, just like when my daughters clean their room, they're not going to lock the door after they say they clean the room and stand in front of it and guard it like Fulton County's doing.
If everything is fine, you open that door and say, hey, hey, check it out.
This is beautiful.
We have no problems.
But that leads a lot of us to believe there are problems in Fulton County.
And based on the voter roll work I've done and some of the other things I've seen, there are problems everywhere you look in Fulton County.
So it's time they come clean.
It's time somebody takes a look at that.
Yeah, 100%.
Now, are those ballots that Garland and the State Election Board and the DOJ are trying to get access to, are those still subpoena or like basically protected somewhere?
Because I know there's like a two-year, like where you're supposed to maintain records for two years.
But then because this case has been going on for so long, in particular, Garland's case, are those ballots still ordered by a judge to be preserved?
Yes, they are still supposed to be preserved.
Hopefully they are, but you know, it's been five years.
They've moved warehouses.
But what I'm told is they still exist in that warehouse.
So if they are there and they're supposed to be there, just, you know, if they say everything is fine, just show us.
We'll go away.
We'll look at something else.
But you only hide the evidence if there's something you don't want us to see.
Yeah, 100%.
And so what is the next step then, right?
What is Brad Raffensperger, Secretary Raffensperger, has he done any maintenance on the voter rolls at all?
Has he weighed in on the DOJ's lawsuit to access these ballots?
I mean, what, if anything, is he even doing on, you know, other than maybe like thwarting efforts?
But like, what is he doing right now for election integrity in Georgia?
Pretty much what Brad Raffensberger does is he him or some of his minions will go on TV and say, we have the cleanest voter rolls in history, you know, the cleanest elections.
I heard you speaking earlier that we had the cleanest election in history on a previous election, but it's almost like in the COVID days when the next variant was the most transmissible variant the world has ever seen and the one after that is 10 times more.
It's like every election is 10 times safer and effective than the previous election.
But at some point, you know, you gotta, you gotta at least let us look at it and we'll determine how safe and effective these elections are.
Yeah.
And you just brought up actually, you just reminded me of something else in Fulton County, the drop boxes.
I know like in 2020, right, there was all of the ballot trafficking that happened at the drop boxes.
I covered that extensively.
True, the vote did phenomenal work doing the geofencing and stuff like that.
I know since then, to my knowledge, the drop boxes are no longer outdoors, but are they still indoors?
And what is the security like surrounding drop boxes, particularly in Fulton County, where you're based out of?
Well, we have come a long way.
In 2020, the drop boxes were just outside of libraries.
I mean, they were, you could walk up to them anytime, day or night.
But now they have been moved inside in the polling locations to where they are only available during voting hours.
And then they are emptied at the end of the day.
They're checked first thing in the morning before the elections start.
And so they're monitored a lot closer.
But still, when you allow a large number of mail-in ballots without chain of custody, you've got risk.
You know, if I request a mail-in ballot and it gets lost in the mail, somebody could easily fill that out for me.
If we're not checking signatures, somebody else could sign it.
Their mail-in ballots just pose a large risk.
So, you know, I think we need to take a look at that, improve it, tighten it.
But yes, drop boxes have improved.
I guess is the short answer.
Well, I mean, that's good because I mean, when they were outside like that, I mean, we saw people showing up at three o'clock in the morning with these drop boxes.
You're like, what are you doing voting at three o'clock in the morning?
I've just got 14 ballots here.
I don't know why.
Now, are they still on camera inside the buildings?
So you can open record request the footage of the boxes from within the buildings?
I believe they are, but I don't know.
I've struggled with open record requests and especially in Fulton County, but also with the state.
So if it's something you need an open record for, you're better off just have a clean process because it's going to be tough to resolve the issue once an issue has already occurred.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, so midterms, right around the corner, Jason, like how are we looking?
I know there's all these cases and things being heard and the DOJ is trying to get stuff.
How are we looking right now going into midterms?
And what can people do to sort of help going into it?
I mean, like, what efforts are there to ensure that come midterms, our elections are as secure as possible given, you know, the current status of the elections?
You know, the biggest hope I've got is with Harmee Dillon trying to get a copy of the voter rolls nationwide.
That once once she gets all of those, that'll be the biggest thing that we can do to help out our elections.
Like I mentioned before, you got to have clean voter rolls.
Fulton County, the last time I checked, has about 113% registration rate versus voting age population.
That means there are 13% more people registered to vote than warm bodies that are legally allowed to vote in Fulton County.
And that's not uncommon across the state.
So cleaning up the voter rolls, leaning on your legislators to enact or to improve the law or even put penalties on counties that aren't cleaning the voter rolls.
That's another thing we can do.
But we've just got to have, we've got to have stronger legislation with penalties in the state of Georgia, in my opinion.
And, you know, full boards of elections that have access to data so that way they can monitor elections.
That's another big gap, especially in Fulton County.
Yeah.
Now, is True the Vote?
Do you know if True the Vote is still doing their sort of like voter record cleanup projects or anything like that, or maybe an update on the Mark Elias Stacey Abrams case that they were?
Yeah, I haven't followed that.
I mean, that is where you and I met is when they were going through court in Hall County in federal court.
And but I haven't followed a lot since that.
Yeah.
There's just so much going on in Fulton County.
They had that victory in the Northern Atlanta court there.
And this is all over cleaning the voter rolls, right?
Like they developed the software program.
They all, you know, gave access to people at the grassroots level to clean their own voter rolls and bring those petitions to the state election or county election boards.
And then, of course, Stacey Abrams and Mark Elias said, no, you can't clean the voter rolls.
We don't want you removing, you know, dead people.
Or, well, they claim it's voter suppression, right?
And they made this whole argument how, like, oh, you know, I mean, the whole thing was just ridiculous sitting in on that hearing as an independent journalist.
It was, it was wild.
But, you know, if you have death taxes, you should be able to keep voting after you die, right?
I mean, yeah.
Well, you said some of the you found people born in what year?
What was the like the oldest person you found on the voter rolls in Fulton County?
Yeah, in the Georgia voter rolls, they're not supposed to register people without complete information.
And so, what they do if they don't have a birth date or they can't read the birth date, instead of checking and verifying with other information, they just put 1800 or 1900 or some other fictitious date for their birthday.
So, yeah, there's, I want to say, as of December 1st, there were, what was it, 362 people born before 1910, and it goes all the way back to 1800.
So, it's just fictitious birthdays, which again, it's unlawful to do that.
But Fulton County, you know, let's be honest, laws are voluntary in Fulton County.
Yeah, 100%.
Well, I mean, good grief.
So, so what's what's next?
What's next for you?
I know you've got a lot going on.
There's another case you can't really talk too much about, but are you able to give people watching maybe a little bird's eye overview of that?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I've got one more thing.
So, I guess jumping back to the case of the state board of elections, that case is going to be heard again next month at the state board to look a little deeper on some of the double voters.
So, that's that's high on my list.
But then, I guess moving forward to bring your listeners up to speed, I was nominated to be on the Fulton County Board of Elections actually for the second time.
I was nominated in 2023.
And the Board of Commissioners, the way it works is each party, the Democrats and the Republicans, get to nominate two people each to be on the board of elections in Fulton County.
And then the chair is chosen by the Board of Commissioners.
Well, the Board of Commissioners is supposed to simply place you on that board once you're nominated.
The law says shall.
Shall is a legal term that says they're supposed to do it.
Well, Fulton County blocked my seat two years ago.
I was re-nominated in July.
They have blocked me again.
So, right now, there's only Republican representing Fulton County on the elections.
It is to get me here sometime early next year, but that case is going through the appeals court at the moment.
Okay, well, so Julie Adams is still on that board, correct?
Yes, yes.
Julie's doing a fantastic job.
She was actually put on there two years ago when my seat was blocked.
They put her as an alternative name.
The board accepted her.
And I guess they didn't expect her to be nearly as strong as she is.
She's doing a heck of a job there.
So I'm quite proud that she is there.
Yes, yes.
So I think they regret that move.
They actually denied both Julie and I this go-around, except the way the law is written: if Julie will stay on there until her replacement, which is her, is placed in that spot.
So that doesn't do a whole lot for them to block her, but they're doing it, I guess, just because, I mean, why wouldn't you?
It's Fulton County.
But she's sitting there by herself right now.
Yeah.
So she's also been pushing to get access to some information from other members of the board, correct?
That they were trying to, I guess, like keep her from having access to.
Yeah, it's a little frustrating.
Yeah, they uh Fulton County does not want their information audited.
We'll put it that way.
Um, the you, if you are on the board, you are supposed to sign on the dotted line that the election was true and accurate when you certify.
Unfortunately, Fulton County does not like to give full access to data for these board members to fully audit an election.
I mean, if you're on the board, you should know you should have a list of everyone that is allowed to vote, all of their addresses to make sure they're not voting from, say, UPS stores, which does happen in almost every election.
They claim they live in a little UPS box, which is unlawful.
You should be able to check that.
You should be able to check every precinct to make sure that the people voting there are living there, registered there, essentially audit the entire election.
But Fulton County does not like to be questioned.
So they play games on what you can see.
You're not allowed to bring in your own laptop.
You can't compare data files to see if somebody was registered and they voted, or this list over here is the ones that voted.
Oh, you got to sit at this other laptop to see who was allowed to vote.
So you can't cross-reference, so you can't find the issues.
So Fulton County is somewhat within the letter of the law and somewhat not.
They give you access to some data, not complete data.
It's really smoking mirrors down there.
So one thing I'm pushing hard for is give me full access, give Julie full access to all data.
If everything is clean, you have nothing to hide.
Why wouldn't you show all the data so we can make sure it is a clean election?
And then I'd be happy to certify.
But right now, you're required to certify no matter what.
It just seems like no matter what we ask for of Fulton County, like they don't hand it over, whether it's the ballots, whether it's any records.
It's just like they are guarding it like a dog in a bone.
Like there's something there they don't want the taxpayer to see.
And this was what's so frustrating, Jason, is like people like yourself are spending your time, your money, Garland too, Catherine withdrew the vote.
Like all these people are putting in so much time to try to just simply audit our elections that we pay for, that the American taxpayer pays for.
And we can't do that.
And not only are we like paying for the elections, now we're paying for Fulton County's defense attorneys.
Like all of their efforts legally in the courtrooms that are fighting you, that are fighting the DOJ, that are fighting, you know, Catherine Engelbrecht or whoever, we're paying for their defense against transparency to us.
Like you can't make this stuff up, Jason.
So I want to thank you for your work and just ask you, is there anything else you'd like to share with our viewers today?
And finally, make sure you plug where can people go follow you and the work that you're doing in Georgia?
Because it is just phenomenal.
Yeah, I would recommend that folks just get involved.
Listen to a board of elections meeting, start at your county.
You can listen to the ones in the county, listen to the ones at the state, show up in person.
Once you start hearing the things they're doing, you know, some counties do a great job.
Other ones, they just, when you see firsthand the stonewalling, the lack of transparency, it gets people fired up.
It gets them more involved.
And then maybe we can vote out the rotten apples.
So just getting involved is step one.
And you can follow me.
I've got an X account at Jason Fraser USA.
So I'd like to post some of the things that I'm doing, some of the hearings that are going on, and just some of the egregious things that I find in the voter roll.
So people can see, you know, firsthand, this really is a problem.
It's not just some commentator on, you know, some national TV station yelling from the hilltops.
These are actual real issues that if I can find it, I had no background in this.
Anybody can.
You just got to get involved.
Amen.
Amen.
Well, thank you so much, Jason.
We really appreciate you joining us here on the Mike Lindell show today.
Absolutely.
Thank you, Heather.
All right.
Thank you.
And one last clip I want to play for you guys before we end this show is in memory of a dear friend of mine, Charlie Kirk, who, you know, was another patriot sort of in the election integrity trenches.
And he had me on his podcast to talk about election integrity.
And so, in light of Vanessa and I covering America Fest this coming week, actually, the end of this week, we'll be there covering it for Lindell TV.
I wanted to play this clip of a time where I joined Charlie Kirk, and he specifically asked me about none other than Brad Raffensperger.
Take a listen.
Very quickly, in 15 seconds or less, Heather, can you tell us, is Brad Raffensperger playing ball with this or is he trying to interfere with this entire process?
That's a great question.
I mean, I've caught him in several lives.
He's changed his stories.
He wrote a letter to Congress on January 6th, telling them that his team did all the investigating and found no fraud.
And now he's backpedaled and is saying that, you know, there's reason to believe Fulton County didn't do things properly.
So he changed his story, and I wouldn't trust a word out of his mouth.
Well, Arizona coming next, Maricopa County update.
Heather Mullins from Real America Voice.
Email us your thoughts already, freedom at charliekirk.com as we give you an audit update with the people who know what they're talking about.
Charlie Kirk, be right back.
Welcome back.
Oh, God, it's just, it's so bittersweet listening to that.
Charlie Kirk was truly just a comrade in this fight.
And I was telling this to Mike Lindell when I saw him in Minnesota the other day, just how when you were when 2021 happened and we were going through the investigations and the audits, and I didn't know what I was going to find at the time.
And so as an investigative reporter on the ground, it was just sort of like, you know, experiencing things firsthand without any preconceived notions.
And so as I'm uncovering all this stuff and realizing how much the fake news didn't want to cover the truth, it really gave me a deep appreciation for people like Charlie Kirk, who would bring me on his podcast.
He had a big platform.
Steve Bannon, Mike Lindell.
I mean, the people speaking truth in the election integrity arena were very few initially, right?
There was this, all this pressure from the legacy media not to come out and talk about election integrity.
And they called it the big lie, if you remember that narrative, but it was just, I, I just, I have such a big heart for Charlie in that space.
And so losing Charlie a few months ago is just so devastating to us as like the election integrity community because he was one of the biggest patriots.
So it's going to be tough going into America Fest at the end of this week because it's going to be the first event I've ever covered without Charlie there.
I've been to every conference they've had pretty much for the last six or seven years.
But I'm excited to bring coverage to Lindell TV with Vanessa.
And I want to end by showing you guys this really touching text message I got yesterday, which happened to be my birthday.
And right after Charlie Kirk had passed away in my state, someone organized a prayer vigil for him.
And because they knew of my connections to Turning Point and to Charlie, they asked me to speak and say a few words.
And mind you, this was two days after Charlie was killed.
And I honestly couldn't even think straight.
It was a very emotional speech for me.
And I had nothing prepared, but God somehow came through me, gave me the words to say.
But after that speech that I gave at this vigil, I met a young girl who came up to me and said, I'm really interested in going to church.
Like, I feel really called, but I've never been.
I don't want to go alone.
And I connected with her, gave her my number, and we sort of talked, but she lives kind of far.
So I never got to bring her to my church, even though I invited her.
But I got this text message from her yesterday, and she said, Hi, Heather.
I'm not sure if you remember me.
We met at the vigil for Charlie Kirk in Concord.
We talked about church as I hadn't really ever been, but I felt such a calling and awake after Charlie was killed.
Thank you for your kindness at the time.
I thought you should know I was baptized today.
Thanks to you and to Charlie for being the push I needed.
I hope you and your family have a lovely Christmas.
So I wanted to share that with you guys because, you know, obviously right now it's like Christ is the reason for the season.
Everything we do is about that.
It's about what Charlie would always say: making heaven crowded.
And if there's one thing I loved about Charlie, it's that from the moment I met him, he was on a mission from God.
He wasn't on a political mission.
He wasn't on, you know, a personal mission.
He was on a mission for God to make heaven crowded, to make more believers.
And he did that through communicating, through educating people at these events and bringing on speakers that would, you know, pour wisdom into the next generation, the younger generation that needs to hear that message so much.
So, you know, I'm just grateful that God, I'm just grateful that God used me.
And I'm grateful for Charlie for his wisdom over so many years and how he just continues to shape America long after he's gone.
God uses all things for good.
And I think that text message is proof of that.
So don't go anywhere.
You're going to have to join us on Spin Room coming up.
I'll be there with Vanessa to talk about our Amphest coverage this weekend.