My name is Patrick Colbeck, and I'm filling in for Mike Lindell on the Mike Lindell Show.
Thank you for tuning in today.
There's a lot of stuff that we need to cover today, and the primary focus of today's show is going to be on the events of yesterday pertaining to Tina Peters, the former Mesa County, Colorado clerk that was imprisoned for nine years by state officials for doing her job and complying with federal law to preserve election records.
And so it's a big deal.
A lot of us have been waiting for this moment.
There's still a lot of boxes that still need to be checked, including, of course, her release from prison.
But this is definitely a step in the right direction and something that a lot of folks didn't even think was possible.
And I got to admit, I'm one of those folks that didn't think that this pardon was possible.
But actually, we've got some constitutional scholars that have evaluated and looked into it.
And we're going to get into that with a little bit of a legal analysis later on in this show.
Of course, we're going to have our DC update.
And I guess let's just go right into the DC update because we got Kara Castranova joining us from the Lindell TV correspondence crew out in D.C. Kara, it's always great to have you on the show.
And by the way, Kara's just one of three key correspondents that we have in the DC area.
One's Allison Steinberg.
The other is Heather Mullins.
And of course, Kara.
And you guys are doing Yeoman's duty there.
And I bet you're looking forward to spring.
Anyway, it's good to see you, Kara.
Thank you.
We're definitely looking forward to spring here at the White House.
It is pretty cold in Washington, D.C.
A lot of people saying unseasonably cold even for this part of the country, but a lot coming out of the White House.
President Trump has had a busy month in December, quite busy here in Washington, D.C. as well.
And breaking news today, Kilmore Abrego-Garcia will remain free from ICE custody following, quote-unquote, a judge's order.
If you guys could pull up that story on NBC News, and as you know, NBC News very much on the side of this Garcia Abrego-Garcia, so it is a slanted article.
But that U.S. District Judge, Paula Zinnis, ruled that the Trump administration lacked, quote unquote, the legal authority to continue holding a brego.
Obrego was seen outside of that courthouse speaking to his supporters, saying things like, I stand before you as a free man, and I want you to remember me this way with my head held up high.
He said he'll continue to fight and stand firm against all the injustices that he perceives that this government has, quote unquote, done upon him.
And he said, regardless of the administration, I believe this is a country of laws and I believe that this injustice will come to an end.
So that is something that is obviously being very highly celebrated by leftist activists, including probably some judges that a lot of people say are activist judges here in Washington, D.C., and also around the country.
But that, as you know, a big, yes, go ahead.
Yeah, I can't help but contrast this.
We have an illegal immigrant that is being let out of jail, and we've got a gold star mother who was doing her job and complying with federal law that is kept in jail by state authorities in Colorado.
I just, it's difficult to get my head wrapped around that.
It's bizarre.
You know, as you know, Tina Peters is not doing well physically.
She's a gold star mom, like you said.
She's completely innocent in so many ways.
She now has a presidential pardon from President Trump.
That was breaking news yesterday.
So although it's a federal pardon, you know, there's a lot of interesting, I think, legal theories how that could be applied statewide.
So the fact that a gold star mom who literally was just acting as a whistleblower to fight for election integrity, but because it had to do with that 2020 election, that again, so many people are afraid to talk about and speak on, you know, she's a warrior and she's still in jail.
Then you have the likes of someone like Garcia, Obrego Garcia, who is being released and people are celebrating on the streets.
It's bizarre to me that a judge wouldn't see just how unfair this really has been, especially, you know, just when it comes to the comparison, like you mentioned earlier, and just how lopsided it is.
I think that Tina Peters has done more than enough time and it's time to release her.
And I don't feel the same way, to be quite honest, about Obrego Garcia.
But, you know, obviously this federal judge does, and he's a free man as of right now.
I'm sure the Trump administration will be appealing this.
And this is an ongoing fight between the Trump administration and these activist judges that are seemingly part of the part of the defense team of Obrego Garcia.
Patrick.
Yeah, obviously.
Yeah.
Well, I'm hoping justice will be served and that Tina will finally be released, but at least we got one step in the right direction and we'll see where this goes.
And in other news, again, with the activist judges, it seems to be a topic today.
I'm actually writing an article on it this weekend, but the Justice Department failed.
Again, they're saying failed.
Now, this is politico, which is obviously slanted news.
Really, I would word it.
If I was writing this article, that the Justice Department, I guess, I wouldn't say failed.
It's the activist judges that, again, they are the biggest problem.
The judiciary is the problem here, and the Justice Department really does stand no chance.
And I have my own criticisms, as you know, of the Justice Department, but with these activist judges, they stand no chance, especially when it comes to indicting alleged criminals like New York Attorney General Letitia James.
So this is the second time, according to this very slanted Politico article in as many weeks as it has sought to revive a mortgage fraud case against her amid President Trump's pressure.
And this is the way they word it to prosecute his political adversaries.
So again, calling out President Trump for quote unquote trying to prosecute his political adversaries after the president himself was prosecuted by his political adversary and indicted almost 100 times.
And so were all of his allies, Jay Sixers, and everybody else, for that matter.
But that was not being called out by the fake news.
Was the narrative at the time was if you break the law, then you have to pay the penalty for it.
And now there's, again, going to bat for Letitia James, who clearly committed mortgage fraud, a lot of experts say.
And she's being indicted and she should stay on trial.
And if she's innocent, then they she'll likely be found not guilty because, again, sadly, the jury in New York is completely lopsided.
It just makes you really question moving forward how the court system is going to survive in this country.
I think it was once really something that a lot of other countries looked up to: our legal system, our court system, our judges, the way that we have due process in this country.
But I think that just really with social media and with a lot of bad actors using a lot of pressure to really, I guess, tarnish juries and judges and judges becoming activist judges.
This is something that's going to become an even bigger problem moving forward into the future.
But as of right now, Letitia James feeling victorious, doing a victory lap when that grand jury, rather, that judge in Virginia is siding with her and saying that the case is not a valid case and they won't re-indict Letitia James.
So that was breaking today.
That grand jury in Norfolk, Virginia, turned down an indictment against Letitia James last week.
And that was an Alexandria-based grand jury, Patrick.
Yeah, I hope that's a case of Letitia James jumping the shark to borrow a happy days analogy here.
But it's clear.
I mean, I got out my old Constitution here.
It's clear that in Article 3, the judiciary branch was supposed to be the weakest branch.
And our founders, when they put together this country, they actually warned us about an out-of-control judiciary.
And they deliberately did not give it the authority that they've been assuming lately.
So now it's time for the executive branch and the congressional and the congressional branch, the legislative branch to assert themselves yet again.
And if they don't, then we kind of deserve what we get there.
But I think President Trump is definitely carrying the water on his part.
Certainly.
And the whole case they're trying to make is that Lindsay Halligan was illegally pointed to her position.
I guess this is the case that this is what is being presented to the grand jury by the prosecution.
So more to come, I guess.
I'm sure the Trump administration will fight this tooth and nail because obviously if you do the crime, you should do the time.
And that applies to Letitia James, the attorney of New York, just like anybody else that she's prosecuted.
I don't know why she's getting special favors here from grand juries and from judges, but this is a country that we live in.
This judiciary has gone unchecked for way too long.
A lot of people agree to that.
Here at the White House, though, there was a nice party last night.
Good news there, Congressional Ball.
Congress generally, it's a tradition to come to the White House and celebrate the Christmas season where the president usually makes an appearance as he did last night.
We have that footage of President Trump and Melania entering the ball, the congressional ball, walking down some stairs.
If you guys could pull up that big bash at the White House, big bash at the White House.
Go ahead and roll it.
So that's so reflective.
Yeah, it is.
Imagine it was Kamala Harris and the first man, whatever, coming down those stairs.
Thank God, you know, we're not going to be able to do that.
Don't say that to me, Cara.
Yeah, but we live in a timeline that really worked, I guess, in our favor, and we're hoping that it will continue to do so as we go into 2026.
Hopefully, President Trump will do something about these judges, or Congress will put them in front of a committee and interrogate them as to why that, you know, a lot of the decisions that were made during the Biden administration, and that continues on into Trump's first year of this second administration.
But President Trump spoke to congressional Democrats that were in attendance last night.
He had a long speech, and here's the clip that I chose.
Take a listen to President Trump last night at the congressional ball.
Many of you in Congress worked very hard, both, both sides, this year to keep the promises that you were elected on to deliver big wins for the American people.
And Democrats worked very hard too.
I mean, I think you could get rid of a couple of your little policies like men and women sports, open borders, transgender for everybody.
But other than that, other than that, I like what you're doing.
So, President Trump always having a fun time at a party and always at his best.
I think best at a rally when he's around Trump's supporters, and then second, when he's at a party, you know, he has a very serious job, obviously, here in the Oval Office every day when reporters are completely attacking him.
And there's a lot of stress, I'm sure, for the president.
So, to see him in a good mood and in a celebratory mood as we come to the end of the year is always nice.
Melania Trump spoke as well, and I really wanted to highlight the Take It Down Act.
She thanked members of Congress for supporting that Take It Down Act, which was a bill that was passed pretty much across both parties with the exception of two, and I'll talk about that in a second.
Such an important, I think, piece of legislation.
I was really supportive of it, where it makes it illegal for people to post deep fakes of women.
Obviously, this is here to protect women who ruins their lives, really.
When naked photos of them are posted online, they're embarrassed, they're mortified.
It could ruin their life, it could ruin their job.
A lot of them are young girls, where people are using AI to create deep fakes of women not in the nude and in other positions that I was reading about.
And also, even more so, revenge porn, where you have a lot of these individuals, predominantly men, who will threaten women to put nude photos of them that were maybe taken with consent during a relationship, afterwards, threatening to put those online to embarrass women and to sort of almost what's the word or blackmail, use it as blackmail.
I'm going to post this photo of you naked that I took when you were sleeping and we were in a relationship if you don't answer my phone calls.
You know, every woman has experienced this.
I can say from speaking to a lot of them.
This is a very common practice that people do.
So, that is now illegal and punishable up to two years in prison.
Again, taking it with a grain of salt, Massey and Eric Berlinson, two representatives that I have a lot of respect and regard for, were the two that voted against the Take It Down Act because they believe that it could possibly have ramifications on free speech.
So, I always take seriously what those two guys say.
And I'm curious, and I was to always read more about why they were against the Take It Down Act.
But here is Melania Trump speaking on the Take It Down Act and thanking members of Congress for supporting her legislation.
Take a listen.
Good evening.
Welcome to the White House.
As the President said, our greatest triumph in my office in the First Lady office in 2025 is a Take It Down Act.
I want to, I appreciate all of your support.
I appreciate your bipartisan, overwhelmingly bipartisan support and across the House and the Senate.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker Johnson.
And I hope you will be excited to support my new legislative initiative in 2026.
Some of you already know about it because it's already in the works.
Thank you very much.
I wish you and your families a very happy and Merry Christmas and a healthy new year.
Thank you.
So obviously more to come in 2026 from Melania Trump and things that she finds important.
And a lot of Americans, again, like I said, especially women, very grateful for that piece of legislation.
Criminalizing revenge porn and deep fakes, very, very important there.
And President Trump today at 3 p.m. will honor Miracle on Ice U.S. Olympic men's team during a Congressional Medal Act signing.
A lot of people looking forward to that.
That very storied Miracle on Ice story from the 1980 U.S. men's hockey team that were famous for defeating the Soviet Union in the quote-unquote Miracle on Ice.
That will happen today to bill signing to award congressional medals to the team in the team's honor.
And the event will be held in the Oval Office and it will feature hockey stars from the gold medal winning team and also the son and daughter and widow of the deceased coach Herb Brooks are also expected to attend.
This legislation will award all the players with congressional gold medals.
And this was a bill passed through the House and Senate in September.
So President Trump will be awarding those medals to those very famous, you could say, and storied hockey players.
Patrick.
You may be a little bit too young for this, but I actually remember where I was during that game.
And I was at a, believe it or not, a debate competition in high school as a freshman in high school.
And I was being forced to participate in something called impromptu speaking competition.
And I hated it.
And with God's sense of humor, of course, that's what I'm doing now, right now on TV as we speak, and what I did in my eight years in the Michigan Senate.
But I'll tell you, there was such joy that happened in that moment at the whole place.
Here he had a bunch of people that were debating each other back and forth for the longest time.
But when we saw that victory, everybody was up in arms cheering.
And so it was a huge unifying moment for the United States.
And I'm looking forward to getting back to a country that does that again.
Fray, everybody loves the story of the underdog, especially in that time period, the U.S. versus Russia in so many ways.
But Captain Mike Girazzoni, goaltender Jim Craig, and forward Buzz Schneider, who are still around, even though it was 45 years ago.
So now they're a little bit older, but they will be there in attendance to receive those congressional medals.
So we're looking forward to seeing that at 3 p.m. here at the White House.
And one last thing that President Trump announced today, and this was on social media, this was also on X. If you guys could pull up that truth social post, I believe was put out by President Trump and then reshared on X. President Trump talking about his peacemaking efforts.
And he said, this is according to Candlestine.
This is an X account.
Trump just got Thailand and Cambodia to cease all shooting and return to their original peace deal made after there was an accidental explosion from a roadside bomb that sparked a minor break in the ceasefire.
Trump is using trade as a means to maintain peace around the globe.
So President Trump's original post today was, I had a very good conversation this morning with the Prime Minister of Thailand, Anutin Charnevirakal, and the Prime Minister of Cambodia, Hun Manitz, concerning their very unfortunate reawakening of their long-running war.
They agreed to cease all shooting effective this evening and go back to the original peace accord made with me and them with the help of great prime minister of Malaysia Anwar Ibrahim.
He's saying that the roadside bomb that originally killed and wounded numerous Thai soldiers was an accident.
Okay, an accident, but Thailand nevertheless retaliated very strongly.
Both countries now are ready for peace and continue trade with the United States of America.
It is my honor to work with Anatoon and Hun in resolving what could have evolved into a major war between two otherwise wonderful and prosperous countries.
I would also like to thank the Prime Minister of Malaysia and Moir Abraham for his assistance in this very important matter.
That all coming this morning, or rather this afternoon from President Trump earlier today as he continues to use trade to mitigate and to fight for peace all over the world.
A lot of these countries really wanted to get on the president's good side when it comes to trade and tariffs.
So it's definitely a weapon you can say that the president has in his arsenal to keep the peace and less people from getting killed in countries like Cambodia and Thailand as illustrated this morning.
Patrick.
Well, very good news indeed, especially at this time of peace, the Christmas season.
So really applaud President Trump's efforts towards that end.
And thank you for getting it out there in the chill.
And maybe that's your way of channeling that miracle on ice because it's certainly looking icy cold over there in D.C.
So thank you for the update.
As usual, Kara, appreciate all the good work you're doing out there.
Thanks, Patrick.
All right, everybody.
Well, we're going to kick off with a quick news brief, quick update.
As you know, Mike Lindell, there was news of him launching his campaign for the governor of Minnesota yesterday.
And just want to put out a quick note that he's already signing documents on the campaign trail.
And I want to make sure everybody was aware that his first pledge that he signed was actually a petition called the Never Again Petition.
And it harkens back to supporting legislation that would prevent the governor from usurping emergency authority and shutting down businesses in the state without the consensus of the governed.
So what a concept.
So that is one of his first acts after kicking off on the campaign trail.
So I wanted to make sure everybody was aware of that.
And now we're going to get into that discussion of Tina Peters because, you know, I was filling in for Mike yesterday.
Obviously, he was preoccupied with this thing called running for governor.
And so I, in the show, I actually called out a letter from Peter Ticton.
He was a former, he's been a lawyer for President Trump.
He was actually his former commander at the Military Academy that they both attended when they were in high school, I think it was.
They've had a long relationship.
Peter Ticton's represented him in several lawsuits and obviously highly respected.
Well, Mr. Ticton put out a letter to President Trump earlier this week.
And I honestly think that President Trump, if you watch all the social media that he's been putting out for the last few months, he really, really was looking for a legal argument to allow him as president to pardon Tina Peters, who was prosecuted under Colorado state law.
And I think that Peter Ticton actually finally put together the legal arguments.
And we went over that yesterday.
And we're going to go over it a little bit more detail today at the bottom half of the hour here.
But bottom line is it appears that this letter actually was the catalyst to push President Trump over the edge and issue a pardon for Tina Peters.
So this broke after the show yesterday.
But I'll tell you, it was very well received by all the folks who respect the efforts of Tina Peters, a gold star mom, over 70 years old, just doing her duty and put into prison by Colorado,
trying to hide up, hide and cover up some of the discoveries that she enabled by making sure that we had copies of the Dominion election management system server for Mesa County before being serviced by Dominion voting systems.
And then she took another one after so that you can do a comparison.
And it was obvious that in the new version, they had deleted all the previous election records that were needed to help adjudicate and support any challenges against elections that had been committed or that had been conducted previously.
Under federal law, those records are supposed to be preserved for 22 months after an election.
And it was obvious that under the direction of Colorado Secretary of State Jenna Griswold, Dominion was actually ordered to replace the quote-unquote trusted bill to overwrite the existing records with a new set of data, a new configuration.
So, and Tina Peters, in the case of Mesa County, Colorado, in the wake of the 2020 election and later municipal elections in her area, she actually preserved those records.
And for that, she was sent to prison for nine years.
So it's the latest tweet, and we're looking for updates.
We'll go through that.
But here's the, I'm sorry, I call it tweet, but it's a latest truth put out by Donald Trump.
And this was after the show.
It was early evening yesterday.
Here's what President Trump had to say.
And he was going over and pull up item two if he could.
And President Trump, who's been issuing lots of truth regarding support for, nope, not that one, item two, Trump pardon of Tina, please.
In that truth, he highlighted that, you know, it's about time to issue a pardon for Tina and get her out of jail.
She's been there for far too long.
And looks like we're having trouble getting that truth up.
But I'll tell you, the truth was true.
And it was really highlighting the fact that Tina has been in jail for well over a year now.
I think it's over 430 days so far.
And so I will, of course, here we go.
For years, Democrats ignored the violin vision crime of all shapes and sizes.
Here we, I mean, today, we just saw earlier in the news segment with Kara Castranova that Albredo Garcia has been allowed to go free, even though he has abused his wife in the past.
He's an MS-13 gang member, and he came into the United States illegally and has been trafficking humans inside the United States, according to federal authorities for quite some time.
He is let out of jail while Tina Peters, a gold star mother over 70 years old, just doing her duty as a county clerk, is still in jail.
So I'm sure this may have played a little bit of a role with President Trump in saying he's got to do whatever he can to reconcile this injustice.
He highlights that the Democrats have been relentless in their targeting of Tina Peters.
And he calls her a patriot who simply wanted to make sure that our elections were fair and honest.
And I know Tina, and I know that's indeed true as well.
Now she's sitting in that Colorado prison for the crime of demanding honest elections.
And he goes on to say that he's granting Tina a full pardon for her attempts to expose voter fraud in the RIG 2020 presidential election.
And if you want, you can look at, there's a great documentary on Tina's story called Selection Code.
Just Google it.
You can find it.
And if you go to electioncrimebure.com, you'll be able to find it out there as well.
But I'll tell you, it's very important that President Trump takes the action that he did.
And I'm going to highlight how I believe this is teeing up a constitutional challenge that we haven't had in the United States for decades.
But I think it's a very important one to have a discussion around.
Predictably, you know, by the way, this pardon, the actual wording of the pardon is not been posted yet as of the time of the start of this show.
I went out to the office of, if you want, you can all see all the different pardons that President Trump has issued.
You just go out to the office of the pardon attorney, scroll through there.
That's where you can find the latest pardons.
And if you go through, I think the latest ones that he had out there were from early December and hasn't quite gotten to December 12th yet.
So meanwhile, another way that sometimes they get up the information a little bit quicker is out at the White House Executive Actions website.
And so once again, this is another opportunity to go off and get an understanding of everything that President Trump's been doing.
And I tell you, he's been busy.
For someone who's up in years as a president, he's got more energy than I've got.
And I got to tell you, nobody can accuse him of sleeping on the beach like Mr. Autopen did.
So predictably, here's the response of some of the Colorado state officials responsible for keeping Tina Peters in jail.
First, let's look at what Governor Polis had to say.
And he has the authority to pardon Tina Peters.
And many people, including myself, have made impassioned pleas for him to do so.
But he is pushing back and saying that he doesn't care if the president has issued a pardon.
He says he doesn't have jurisdiction.
Well, we're going to go over the legal arguments that counter that argument later in this show.
But let's look at what the Colorado Secretary of State, General Griswold, had to say on this topic.
She made a brief statement and essentially said that repeated some of the key themes that Governor Polis did.
But I'll tell you, once again, there are counter-legal legal arguments to this.
And I think it's very important they examine those arguments and we'll see how this all works out.
And I just want to point out and just remind everybody that this is the same Jenna Griswold who, you know, one of the assertions for Tina Peters, because she didn't know how to do this forensic backup herself, she got an administrative password and gave it to somebody who did know how to do the forensic backup.
And for that, she's being penalized.
And they're saying that she made, she shared a very sensitive password out to a third party.
I just want to remind everybody that Jenna Griswold, the Secretary of State of Colorado, herself for months put out hundreds of system passwords and plain text up on the Colorado Secretary of State's website.
So Tina, in the context of doing her duty as clerk, found a way to actually enable her to execute her duty as a clerk, deliberately enlisted an expert to provide a forensic copy of the records under her jurisdiction.
She's in prison for nine years.
Jen Ellis, who was grossly negligent as a minimum for putting out all these passwords up on a state website for months.
I mean, I think it was up to six months.
She's going around, you know, asserting that Tina Peters is going to stay where she is.
Well, I'll tell you, we're going to examine why she's wrong and why there are strong legal arguments in support of the release of Tina Peters when we return from this break.
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I'm your guest host, Patrick Colbeck, filling in for Mike as he hits the campaign trail.
Hey, guys, you know, before the break, we were talking about the truth that President Trump put out issuing, telling about him issuing a pardon of Tina Peters, a former Macy County Colorado clerk, who is currently serving a nine-year prison sentence in the Colorado Department of Corrections.
And so a lot of folks, such as myself, realize that she never should have been charged, much less convicted.
And if you followed her court trial very closely, you'd understand that the trial, for all intents and purposes, was rigged.
If you actually look at it objectively, the judge actually prevented introduction of some key evidence in support of Tina called exculpatory evidence.
This evidence included what her duties were as a county clerk in the state of Colorado to preserve records under her purview.
It also prohibited the disclosure and discussion around federal law that required her to preserve election records for a period of 22 months.
So it's kind of a big deal that she is in prison and a travesty of justice.
So the fact that President Trump is issuing a pardon for her is very, very welcome.
But there's an issue.
A lot of people had an issue.
And this is something that, frankly, I was concerned with as well at the beginning.
And I've been very public.
I highlighted that I had assumed that the pardon authority for the President of the United States was only pertinent to federal crimes and not to state crimes.
And I will highlight that I'm a former Michigan State Senator.
I served for eight years in the Michigan Senate.
I was actually serving on the Michigan Senate Judiciary Committee.
I've written more than my share of laws, and I'm very familiar, and I've read a heck of a lot more.
I can tell you that.
So I'm very familiar with the law, the structure of law, and particular around legislative intent.
And when it comes to the pardon authority of the President of the United States, I always look at the just the letter of the law.
I can see what's in there.
I've got in some different sections, I've got more historical understanding by reading the Federalist Papers and other documents around original intent.
But I'm just going to leave this out for you guys because this is the core of the argument around getting Tina Peters out of jail.
Remember, I'm not a lawyer.
I'm a former legislator, former Michigan State Senator, and who's somebody who's actually reading the bills put in front of me and actually writing many of the bills instead of having them written for me.
So I'm not a slouch in that category.
So I want to make sure that you guys are reading the same things that I'm reading.
And we're going to share some of the content of Peter Ticton's testimony in just a little bit.
So in Article 2, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, it specifically says that the President shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.
Now, kind of the traditional interpretation of the United States is that it's dealing specifically with the federal government.
It doesn't say that, though.
It doesn't say federal offenses only.
It says specifically the United States.
And that's at the core of Peter Ticton's argument in the letter that he sent to President Trump that I went over with everybody during yesterday's show for the Mike Lindell show.
And we're going to go through that again.
By the way, if you want to hear from Peter Ticton himself, I just encourage you to tune in at 4 p.m. today on Spinroom with Vanessa Broussard.
She's going to have Peter Ticton on live as a guest.
And so I'm sure that's going to be a very interesting discussion.
They're going to delve into some of the same things that we're going to be talking about.
But what I've got to go over is actually the text of Peter Ticton's letter.
And for convenience, I put this information up at the Election Crime Bureau website.
And if you go to electioncrimebure.com slash evidence, you'll see a post specifically on Peter Ticton and his letter.
So you can read what I'm about to go over with each and every one of you.
If you can call up item eight there, I appreciate it.
Yeah, so this is just the first page of the letter he's got in there.
If you scroll down, you can actually click and actually download and look at your own copy of the letter.
But here's some of the key assertions that he made.
And he goes back to original intent.
And when you actually read the details of the letter, and all you're seeing up on that page right now is just an excerpt of the top.
But when you actually go into the details of the letter, Peter Ticton highlights the following.
He says, first of all, Tina Peters committed no crime.
What she did was obey the federal requirement to preserve the evidence of the election.
She followed federal law.
And by charging Mrs. Peters with collateral state offenses, the state of Colorado believes that it can operate in the shadows of the president where the light of his authority does not extend.
And he says, this could not have been what the founders envisioned.
The president of the United States has the power to grant a pardon in any of the states of the United States.
And he, in a different section of the document, he goes into what he means by that.
In particular, he highlights that we have one country and it's called the United States.
And when we consider the United States, it's a personal pronoun.
Its personal pronoun is it, which, and by the way, I haven't gone over to the liberal side by talking about pronouns.
Trust me, this is more grammar and legalese.
When we consider the United States, its personal pronoun is it, which exemplifies that it is one nation.
Therefore, we read offensive offenses against the United States to mean offenses against the federal government.
However, from the time of its inception until the Civil War, when one considered the United States, it was thought of as the various countries or states which had become united.
Hence, when its pronoun was used, it was always they, them, or there.
For instance, Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 3 of the U.S. Constitution says, treason of the United States shall consist only in levying war against them or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
And obviously, he's referring to, or the Constitution is referring to, the United States.
So he is making a very nuanced, but I think powerful assertion that the authority of the pardon extends not just to federal violations, but also to reported violations of state law as well.
And remember, Article 6, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution is the supremacy clause.
And so this document, this U.S. Constitution, overrides any laws that are in conflict with any of the assertions made through the powers asserted by the federal government and granted to it in the U.S. Constitution.
So that is the core of Peter Ticton's law argument.
And he's been practicing law for quite some time, as we mentioned at the beginning of the show, and very respected attorney.
On the opposing side of the fence, they're trying to sit there and say, obviously, that the federal government does not have jurisdiction in this case.
And, you know, for people familiar with all these court cases that supposedly have been ruled against the fact that the 2020 election was stolen, they all almost always were rejected on the basis that the court said that we had no standing for making those assertions.
Well, they're continuing that basic theme here when it comes to Tina Peters and President Trump's pardon of Tina Peters.
And I want to remind everybody, though, that there is a very much, if there's very much a federal law that's at stake here, they refuse to allow hearing of that in the trial with Tina Peters, but it is very important.
And I just want to point everybody to what federal law we're talking about.
It's under United States Code, Title 52, Section 20701.
And it deals with the preservation of records.
And if you go to item 9, pull that up for everybody.
This isn't something I'm making up.
This is actual federal law that requires, nope, that's not the one.
That's the next one.
Item 9 is pulling up Section 20701 that specifically states, and this is a little small here, try to get a little bit larger, but the basic idea here, you can look this up on your own.
It's Title 52.
No, that's not it either.
Sorry.
Anyway, you go to Title 52, Section 20701, and you will find that all election records are required to be preserved for a period of no less than 22 months after an election.
That's all Tina Peters was doing.
She was enforcing federal law, by the way, in conflict with a directive issued by Colorado State Secretary of State, Jenna Griswold.
Whenever there's a conflict, guess who gets to adjudicate that conflict?
Under Article 6, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, federal government has supremacy over the state government.
That's what's at stake here.
That's what's being discussed.
And furthermore, Jenna Griswold was not so lippy regarding federal involvement when she accepted millions of dollars in grants from the federal government as part of the HAVA grant program.
And as part of those grants, there were strings that tied, as they usually are, from the federal government.
If you want the money, you have to play by our rules.
Well, part of those rules is giving them access to these records that Jenna Griswold decided that she wanted to order destroyed.
So the one who's violating the law and federal law in particular is Jenna Griswold.
And if you call up that one screenshot that you'd purled up earlier that's in section 2111, specifically, that is from the Hava bill.
And it says that the Attorney General may bring civil action against any state or jurisdiction if they are not in compliance with the requirements that are defined in the Hava grant process.
And literally, Colorado received $6.6 million in HAVA grants in 2020, and they've received over $44 million in total.
And so when you sign up for that money and you agree to comply with the federal oversight of specific aspects of your election process, and Tina Peters was executing her duties in compliance with those requirements, Jenna Greswold, however, was not.
And so guess what?
Using this authority that was granted to them under the Help America Vote Act, the Department of Justice actually did sue Jenna Griswold.
And if you pull up the item, oops, yeah, I can see where the confusion.
The Denver Gazette had a story on this particular, just highlighting that the Department of First, the Department of Justice did a mother may I.
They requested that the Colorado Secretary of State provided information to would provide them in accordance with the federal government's analysis of whether or not Colorado was in compliance with the terms of the Help America Vote Act.
And Jenna Griswold said, talk to the hand, kind of like she's doing right now to President Trump's pardon.
And so the Department of Justice, as is their duty, they proceeded to go off and file a federal lawsuit against Jenna Griswold.
And so guys, that's important because now Jenna Griswold is being named in a lawsuit.
Now, it's not a criminal lawsuit.
It is a civil lawsuit being filed by the Department of Justice under Pam Bondi.
And as her agent, I believe this one is being led by Hermine Dillon and the Civil Rights Department within the Department of Justice.
So they are now going off and prosecuting that law.
Now, I haven't seen any developments yet on that.
All I know right now is that the lawsuit has been filed.
And so now, this begs a question.
Everybody's sitting there going, so what now?
President Trump has issued a pardon for Tina Peters.
It says that she should be let out of jail.
She should be having a press conference like this Kilmar Garcia just had, Bredo Garcia had.
But the path towards that end is still a little bit murky.
We are in uncharted territory.
And as Peter Ticton mentioned in his memo and his letter to President Trump, the idea of this federal authority and federal pardon authority over state offenses has never been tried in court.
And so ultimately, this will probably go into the United States Supreme Court potentially.
But I want to harken back to, as a student of history, I think is what an analogous situation was.
And it harkens back all the way back to 1963.
There was a Supreme Court case called Brown versus a Board of Education.
And as a result of that trial, the Supreme Court ordered the desegregation of schools, public schools across the country.
And, you know, one of the Democrat governors, just like Governor Polis in Colorado, who's a Democrat, one of the Democrat governors, George Wallace in Alabama, said, you know what, over my dead body.
And he sit in the door with a bunch of state troopers and prohibited the registration of two black students in the, I think it was at the University of Alabama.
But they refused to allow them to register for classes in Alabama.
And it led to an obvious standoff.
And once again, Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower issued an executive order that cited the Insurrection Act and the fact that Governor Wallace was acting in defiance of federal authority.
He used that to effectively nationalize the National Guard and use them to clear a path for these two black students to get registered and attend class as a student in what had previously been a segregated school.
So I think the analogy is powerful here.
I think we've still got the same issue of states' rights versus the federal government.
And in this case, it was very clear.
The federal government had the authority and they're enforcing federal law.
And that's all President Trump is seeking to do with this pardon.
He's recognizing the fact that Tina Peters was actually complying with federal law.
And in so doing, it conflicted with and conflicted with the directives from a state official.
And it was on the basis of that conflict that Tina was put in prison.
So if you look at that, I think it's pretty clear that what we've got is another civil rights battle.
And in this context, we've got a clerk that was doing her duty to preserve records under her jurisdiction that is the victim and very analogous to what happened in 1963.
1963, we had a Republican president trying to do the right thing and enforce a Michigan or a United States Supreme Court order to desegregate the schools.
Now flash forward to 2025, we've got a Republican president issuing a directive, a pardon, if you will, that would release Mesa County Clerk Tina Peters from jail.
And guess who's standing in the way?
It's another Democrat governor.
This time it's Governor Polis in Colorado.
We're hoping it doesn't come to the stage where he's going to bar the release of Tina Peters in the prison and put up corrections officers or state police to bar duly appointed emissaries of President Trump into the prison to escort Tina out of prison.
We hope it doesn't come to that.
But I'm seeing things shaping up to the point where we're reaching a very important decision, very important decision point in our country.
And so just to give you guys an understanding of exactly what happened and how it went down, I thought it would be useful to pick out a clip from history and particularly what happened in the case of the enforcement of the Supreme Court decision in Brown versus the Board of Education.
And so let's flash back to the news coverage of that day as to how George Wallace acted in the face of the order by President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
It was hot in Tuscaloosa this morning, very hot, nearly 100 degrees, and it was humid.
And weather merely to serve to add to the tense atmosphere on the campus of the University of Alabama.
This is what happened as Nicholas Kotzenbach, accompanied by two federal marshals, left their car and approached Governor Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door.
The two Negro students, Vivian Malone and Jimmy A. Hood, stayed in the car.
The time was about 12.47 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time.
Just a minute.
Just a minute.
I'm the Deputy Attorney General of the United States.
I am here to, accompanied by the United States Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama and by the Marshal for the Northern District of Alabama.
And I have with me here a proclamation signed by the President of the United States, which calls upon you to cease obstruction to justice in this state.
The proclamation, Governor, was signed by the President within the last hour.
As Governor and Chief Magistrate of the State of Alabama, I deem it to be my solemn obligation and duty to stand before you, representing the rights and sovereignty of this state and its peoples.
The unwelcomed, unwanted, unwarranted, and force-induced intrusion upon the campus of the University of Alabama, today of the might of the central government, offers frightful example of the oppression of the rights, privileges, and sovereignty of this state by officers of the federal government.
Now, therefore, I, George C. Wallace, as governor of the state of Alabama, have by my action raised issues between the central government and the sovereign state of Alabama, which said issues should be adjudicated in the manner prescribed by the Constitution of the United States, and now being mindful of my duties and responsibilities under the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution of the state of Alabama,
and seeking to preserve and maintain the peace and dignity of this state and the individual freedoms of the citizens thereof, do hereby denounce and forbid this illegal and unwarranted action by the central government.
Governor Wallace, I take it from that statement that you are going to stand in that gore and that you are not going to carry out the orders of this court and that you are going to resist us from doing so.
Is that correct?
I stand upon the statement.
I stand upon that statement.
Governor, I'm not interested in a show.
I don't know what the purpose of the show is.
I am interested in the orders of these courts being enforced.
That is my only responsibility here.
I ask you once more, the choice is yours.
There is no choice that the United States government has in this but to see that the lawful orders of its court are enforced.
The consequences of your stand must rest with you.
The choice is yours.
I would ask you once again to responsibly step aside.
And if you do not, I'm going to assure you that the orders of those courts will be enforced.
Two students who simply seek an education on this campus are presently on the campus.
They have a right to be here, protected by that court order.
They have a right to register here.
It is a simple problem, scarcely worth this kind of attention, in my judgment.
And those students who remain on this campus, they will register today.
They will go to school tomorrow, and they will go to school at this university at this summer session.
The university has indicated its willingness to accept them.
From the outset, Governor, all of us have known that the final chapter of this would be the admission of these students.
I ask you once again to reconsider the consequences of your statement, and I'll ask you once again, will you give me the assurance that you will step aside and peacefully do your duty?
Very well.
The student will remain on the campus.
We are winning in this fight because we are awakening the American people to the dangers that we have spoken about so many times, which is so evident today, the trend toward military dictatorship in this country.
We shall now return to Montgomery for the purpose of continuing this fight, this constitutional fight, because we are winning.
We shall continue to work for a better Alabama for all the people of this state, both white and Negro.
And it is my prayer that God above shall bless all the people of this state, both white and black.
This, then, is the moment when Governor George Wallace of Alabama walked away from the schoolhouse door.
Well, I would just like to say that I'm glad that registration is over and everything is over now.
I think we can get down to studying.
This is our main purpose here, and I'm glad that it has all been over now.
And all we have to do now is get down, go get our books, and start studying.
That's all.
Well, I'd like to say that at this time, this is our first and final press conference.
And we'd like to say that we are very happy to note that our registration has taken place without incident.
And we hope that we will be able to get down to our main purpose for being here, and that is to get an education.
And this is our final statement.
Well, they say that history repeats itself, and it's hopeful that we'll have a happy ending to this showdown right now between the federal government and the state government.
Once again, we've got a Republican president, President Trump, facing off against a Democrat governor in Governor Polis of Colorado.
And I'm hopeful that the end game on all this is going to be the release of Tina Peters very soon.