Good afternoon as well for those of you that are watching live.
I am Rick Weibel, hosting for Mike Lindell and the rest of the team here tonight.
And we're having a little bit of technical difficulties already this evening, but that's okay.
We've got a great show scheduled for you today.
We've got some breaking news out of DC.
And Kara, it sounds like we have some interesting news that you have learned today.
So good to see you, Kara.
How are you doing?
Hey, good to see you as well.
So right now I'm in the Senate building and there's a hearing going on right now inside where I have a clip for you.
It's actually a very interesting hearing run by Ron Johnson, the senator, who is talking about the adverse effects of the COVID vaccine and how the Biden administration potentially hid those side effects related to myocardosis and other things.
So please take a listen to this clip that just came out of the hearing right behind me.
And what I came away with was understanding that the spike protein, the S1 subunit specifically, is not a benign protein.
It triggers inflammation.
It disrupts endothelial rares.
It induces fibrin resistant to breakdown, and it promotes a lot of amyloid aggregates, which is what I research.
These effects impair oxygen delivery, damage blood vessels, contribute to clotting pathologies that manifest with a lot of the symptoms that we're seeing in the long COVID and vaccine injured, which to this day is a huge amount of people.
We're talking upwards of 10 to 15 million people in America that are being affected by the consequences of COVID in the long form or vaccine injury.
And the typical symptoms are things like heart racing, brain fog, shortness of breath, and post-exertional malaise.
In my clinic, I actually use immunofluorescent microscopy to be able to actually see what's going on in the blood and look for these amyloid aggregates.
Some as young as teenagers that are unable to stand.
Others are previously active adults suffering small strokes without typical identifiable causes.
These are not abstract theories.
They are the lived realities of my patients in Alabama and beyond.
The mRNA injection, heralded as a solution, introduced a novel mechanism, lipid nanoparticles delivering modified mRNA that instructs the cells to produce a stabilized spike protein.
Unlike traditional vaccines, this approach resulted in uncontrolled production of the spike protein for an unknown duration and distributes it widely across organs, including the heart, brain, and vasculature, and ovaries and testes.
Oh my gosh, thank you for getting us that video.
That is so important.
I remember years ago when Ron Johnson said something that was so important during an interview.
He made the distinction that there is a story and then there's the story.
You just provided one of the best examples of the real story that is out there.
This is earth-shattering and so damaging and provides the answer for so many Americans as to what happened to their loved ones and what is potentially happening to themselves.
Those people who were duped and pressured against their will to take these vaccines.
I don't even want to call them vaccines because they were completely experimental and they're not in the same definition of vaccines.
Correct.
I know, you know, right now it's kind of indicating to be able to see all these witnesses like Peter McCarlla, Dr. Merculla, who was a canceled doctor, as you know, during COVID and he was really out there exposing the truth about the vaccine, given a chance to testify.
Really a redemption story, I think, for so many people like Aaron Aaron Siri, who's an attorney who fights for medical freedom.
But of course, there's the senators in there like Senator Blumenthal from Connecticut, a Democrat, who, of course, is pushing disinformation about vaccines, saying that they're safe and effective.
Still, after all of this evidence has now come out that these vaccines were the opposite of, they were causing myocarditis and so many other side effects with children, with American citizens that didn't know what they were putting in their arm, unfortunately.
And it's come out that the Biden administration was actually hiding that data.
They actually were aware of that data, and it took them many, many months to update their databases and to inform the American public about that.
So that's going on in that hearing room today.
And at the same time, over at the White House, a little bit earlier, President Trump met with Cyril Ramaposa, the president of South Africa, who was here.
And it was a very interesting meeting, to say the least.
A lot of different interpretations on what went on.
People in the Oval Office, of course, mainstream media saying that the South African president was quote-unquote ambushed by President Trump.
A president Trump in classic character, obviously, always calling people out, calling out South Africa for the murder of many white farmers, what he's calling a potential genocide of white farmers in South Africa, and played a video for the president of South Africa, pretty much probably expecting Cyril Ramaposa to deny these things that were going on.
So he played this video.
It was a four-minute video, and I have a couple clips from that video that was played in the Oval Office today.
Please roll the tape on clip one.
There's nothing you can do.
There's nothing this parliament can do.
With or without you, people are going to occupy land.
We require no permission from you, from the president, from no one.
We don't care.
We can do whatever you want to do.
Who are you to tell us whether we can occupy land or not?
We are going to occupy land.
South African occupy land.
That's who we are.
Honorable member.
I can withdraw my membership from this useless parliamentary must never be scared to kill a revolution.
Demands that at some point there must be killing because the killing is part of a revolutionary act Pa!
Pa!
Wow, another incredible story.
It's insane.
It's, you know, that radical politician is a part of a South African opposition group.
His name is Julius Malemma, and he is, you know, that trademark song that he constantly sings is called Shoot the Boer.
And what is so crazy is that you look this stuff up and you watch the mainstream media and you have the BBC actually saying, which is disinformation, that this song means shoot the farmer.
Literally, if you look up what Boer, like Google B-O-E-R, means it means the white, the white man or the Dutch man or something along those lines of the German, it just means an Afrikaner of, or an African, South African of white descent.
But then you have the BBC reporting that it means the farmer, which is obviously not correct.
So you have this person, this radical person, who is a part of a political party there in Africa, South Africa rather, singing this song.
And I think we have one more clip.
If we have that clip and we can roll that, that President Trump played in the Oval Office today.
It's just appalling.
And the mainstream media continues to deny that this is happening in South Africa.
We go, right?
Yes.
So it's obviously, you know, packed stadiums, people chanting this song, and Cyril and Maposa obviously saying that, you know, this isn't government policy.
This is an opposition party.
We don't believe in the things that they believe in.
We don't believe in violence and all of these things.
Yet these things are still happening and bills are being passed that are taking away land that belongs to white farmers and appropriating them or giving them to other people and back to the government.
So these bills are still being passed in South Africa.
And President Trump had a lot of questions.
And of course, the mainstream media, you know, again, pushing disinformation and for some reason, just outrage that people that would get refugee just because they're white, saying, why aren't you giving refugee status to people of color when obviously the border was opened to 21 million people from various parts of the world, a lot of them being people of color.
So to be, you know, obviously upset and offended by the fact that President Trump extended refugee status to a couple dozen white South Africans is outrageous.
But here is President Trump today in the Oval Office and it was really a remarkably interesting Oval Office meeting to say the least.
And I encourage everybody watching to please go watch that meeting in its entirety.
But President Trump is here basically talking about the fake news and NBC that literally asked a question earlier in the press conference about the Qatari plane, literally trying to change the subject from what's going on right now in South Africa and was really reprimanded by President Trump.
And here's another clip of President Trump talking to that very same fake news NBC reporter.
Can you explain to Americans why it's appropriate to welcome white Afrikaners here when other refugees like Afghans, Venezuelans, Asians have all had their protective status revoked?
Well, this is a group, NBC, that is truly fake news.
They ask a lot of questions in a very pointed way.
They're not questions statements.
We've had tremendous complaints about Africa, about other countries too, from people.
They say there's a lot of bad things going on in Africa, and that's what we're going to be discussing today.
When you say we don't take others, all you have to do is take a look at the southern border.
We let 21 million people come through our border, totally unchecked, totally unvetted.
They came from all over the world.
In many cases, they're criminals.
They come from prisons.
They come from mental institutions.
They come from street gangs.
They're drug dealers.
So don't say that we didn't take them.
We take them.
We're trying to get them out as fast as we can.
And we're doing record business on that.
And we just won a big case where we're allowed to send back hundreds of criminals to Venezuela.
Just won that today in the Supreme Court.
I'm happy to hear.
But we do have a lot of people are very concerned with regard to South Africa, and that's really the purpose of the meeting.
And we'll see how that turns out.
But we have many people that feel they're being persecuted and they're coming to the United States.
So we take from many, many locations if we feel there's persecution or genocide going on.
And we had a lot of people.
I must tell you, Mr. President, we have had a tremendous number of people, especially since they've seen this.
Generally, they're white farmers and they're fleeing South Africa.
And it's a very sad thing to see.
But I hope we can have an explanation of that because I know you don't want that.
And it's kind of a different meeting.
Normally we have meetings, we talk about trade, and we'll be talking about trade and other things.
But that certainly will be a subject that comes up.
So, yes, you know, Ramaposa obviously tried to defend his government.
He's here to talk to the president about trade.
There's a lot of unemployment going on right now in South Africa.
And the trade partnership with the United States is obviously very important.
So he's here really trying to focus on that.
But President Trump challenging him on these things and him just saying, you know, that's an opposition party, you know, trying to really discredit or not discredit, more or less saying that his party doesn't agree with these things.
Yet they're still happening.
Yet, you know, these people aren't being arrested.
They're not really being penalized.
They're able to go on saying kill the white man in South Africa and murdering white farmers.
These are things that are happening.
And he brought the president of South Africa brought two top golfers that are white, sort of trying to show and prove the point that there are prominent Afrikaner personalities that support him, but actually that backfired because Trump invited these golfers into the Oval Office.
And one of them said two wrongs don't make a right.
So obviously he was sort of telling President Trump behind the back of the South African president, yeah, two wrongs don't make a right.
And the other golfer, Gustin, said that his family was living behind electric fences on a farm.
So these far these golfers, these white golfers from South Africa, actually really just substantiating President Trump's claims.
And I have one more clip to play for you.
President Trump, again, confronting President Ramaposa, but this is a little bit of the South African president's response to President Trump.
And take a listen to this exchange.
We have hundreds of people, thousands of people trying to come into our country because they feel they're going to be killed and their land is going to be confiscated.
And you do have laws that were passed that gives you the right to confiscate land for no payment.
You can take away land for no payment.
I want to clarify that because we have a constitution.
Our constitution guarantees and protects the sanctity of tenure of land ownership.
And that constitution protects all South Africans with regards to land ownership.
However, we do say, because we've got to deal with the past, the government and us your government also has the right to expropriate land for public use.
And you're doing that.
And we've never really gotten underway with that.
And we are going to be doing that.
You're taking people's land from them.
And those people, in many cases, are being executed.
They're being executed.
And they happen to be white, and most of them happen to be farmers.
And that's a tough situation.
I don't know how you explain that.
How do you explain that?
They're taking people's land away.
And in many cases, those people are being executed.
And in many cases, it's not the government that's doing it, it's people that kill them and then take their land, and nothing happens to them.
But we have thousands of people that want to come into our country.
They're also going to Australia in a smaller number.
But we have thousands of people that want to come into our country, and they're white farmers, and they feel that they're going to die in South Africa.
And it's a bad thing.
Yes.
Yeah, so the South African president headed out just a little while ago.
Like I mentioned earlier, really, for him, the most important thing was trade deals with the United States.
And a lot of people are predicting that President Trump will want some concessions when it comes to maybe cracking down more on these killings of white farmers and things like this in order to have a more favorable trade deal.
You know, it's really sad is I first heard of this through Lauren Southern, who had a documentary back in 2018 called Farmlands.
Take a look on YouTube, watch that video, and you'll see the actual truth about what Donald Trump is talking about, the land and the conflict with the Constitution and what that president just said about how they're trying to restore historical pieces.
That's also in that documentary, as well as the murders that are going on.
And this is a real issue.
And I thank God that Donald Trump is addressing it and giving worldwide exposure to this.
And so we as Americans have to have open heart in this type of situation to protect these people's land and to protect their lives as well.
Correct.
And I'm sure if there was a South African politician out there singing a song that said shoot the black man, President Trump would have a similar reaction.
So again, it's just to me absolutely mind-boggling that the mainstream media continues to say that this is not a true story.
It's a discredited claim.
It's absolutely outrageous and hypocritical.
Yeah, thank you for covering this.
It is so important.
And I want to thank the Lindell Show and Lindell TV for exposing the truth about what is actually going on.
And of course, the early media that wasn't fake, that was telling the truth.
And so special credit to Lauren Southern, who did the early work on this.
And thank God we have that evidence from 2018.
And here we still see it today with the video highlights of these extremists going out there wishing death on their fellow countrymen.
That's no way to run a country.
That's right.
We'll have a great show.
It was good talking to you today.
Likewise, thank you so much.
And keep on them.
And thank you for what you do.
And keep reporting the story, not just a story, as Senator Ron Johnson always warned us about.
So thank you.
Thank you so much.
All right.
So after we come back from the break, we'll be joined by both Laura Scharr of South Carolina and Joe Coffin from Wyoming to kind of get some latest updates.
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While thinking back on that previous segment that we just saw regarding the COVID and what we're learning and the information that they held back, I'm thinking back to 2022 and the run for governor with Dr. Scott Jensen against the current Tampon Tim governor there.
Tim Wall.
What the incredible is that Scott Jensen also had concerns about COVID at that time.
I mean, he was protecting his patients and they weaponized the doctor's board as well as the law or law fair against Dr. Scott Jensen in Minnesota.
And he had to waste a ton of money, a ton of time to defend himself and to protect his patients.
And that whole weaponization that we see by government against people who are trying to tell the truth and actually protect their patients and people is akin to where I look at Mike Lindell sounding the alarm regarding the voting systems.
And here we have on June 2nd his trial coming up regarding Dominion in a defamation of defamation lawsuit that they have filed against originally Fox News and Lindell and other folks as well.
Fox News, we know, settled and caved on that.
And Lindell is trying to protect himself and to get the evidence out there.
And so whatever you can do to pray for Mr. Lindell or financially support his trial, please do that.
Also, if you have any type of evidence whatsoever, make sure you get it out there on social media.
Make sure you get it to the Lindell team.
It may be hard for them to use that evidence and kind of looking at the history of what has happened in Colorado and we see the railroading that they did with Tina Peters.
And I was even talking to some of the attorneys right before the case, and they told me that they were unable to put up basic facts regarding backing up systems before upgrades and all of that.
And I was even showing them the basic online recommendations from Microsoft, and they couldn't use that in the courts.
And so this type of lawfare and stay tuned for what is happening out there with this case, but be prayerful for Mike and that he and his team will be successful.
It is so important.
And we have to also anything that you've got out there regarding any type of evidence of Dominion, ESNS, HART, please post it on social media so that way we can get that spread out.
And so some of the stuff that I want to point to in our conversations with both Jill and Laura here, and I hate to focus on Minnesota, but there's so much evidence in Minnesota that just comes forth because Minnesota is one of those rare states where it uses three of the top vendors, Dominion, ESNS, and HART.
And so kind of like what we were talking about before, your two states solely use ESNS.
My new state of South Dakota uses ESNS solely.
And so with ESNS having 40% of the market in this whole case of Dominion, it doesn't mean that Dominion is the only one that's bad.
ESNS also has its vulnerabilities and its faults in the way that they manage their voting systems.
And so, and we've worked together in trying to uncover and even try to help the vendors fix their systems.
So when we look at just your computers that you guys have, do you ladies have antivirus on your systems?
Yes.
Of course.
Yeah.
Right.
Does your antivirus update almost at least daily with new threats that are out there?
Yeah, I get daily scans.
For sure.
Yeah.
And so what's interesting is that in my home state here of South Dakota, when I looked at the EAC certificate that's out there from the United States Election Assistance Commission, it says that the laptops, their antivirus is stuck back of March of 2019.
And when I talked to an election official to ask her, okay, what is the latest antivirus that is on there?
And she confirmed that it hadn't been updated since then.
And then what did we find out in Wyoming when we investigated your systems, Jill?
Well, our systems are way outdated.
And we actually had a couple of our counties that had pop-up screens during our logic and accuracy testing.
One county was over Hot Springs County and the other one was my county.
And we got to see two pop-ups that come up.
And very quickly, did the clerk go up there and click it off and click it off?
And he says, oh, that's just update.
It just shows that we're up to date and it keeps us current.
And I'm like, but it wouldn't pop up if you were current and so on and so forth.
So they were not current.
And the executive, or excuse me, the engineering change order was supposed to have been done, which is the change order 1141 should have been done.
But along with that, we found in a FOIA request or a public request that ESNS had, or excuse me, EA, yeah, it was ESNS had contacted our Secretary of State's office and said, whoops, we dropped the ball.
We didn't put it, we didn't put in your engineering change order, so we need to schedule it in.
And this was July 31st of 2024.
So we are way, way not updated.
And it's sad.
It's very, very sad.
And if I remember right, I hate to put you on the spot here.
I did not prepare my guests for today's show.
So the reactions that you're going to get today are pure and raw.
Now, if I remember back from last year, I believe there was a report that was done in South Carolina that investigated some of the machines and some of the security.
What were some of the highlights there?
There were some concerns, right?
Or was everything just a five-star rating?
Oh, it was so not a five-star rating.
It was, to me, an epic fail.
I call it the epic fail.
So one of the things that they found out was that they looked at the inventory and they couldn't actually account for all of the machines.
I think it was roughly 10% of our inventory could not be accounted for.
Now, this is kind of scary because and concerning because in, I believe it was 2021 or 2022, they were actually given HAVA funds of around, I think they purchased an inventory management system for over $300,000, but they had never actually put it to use and implemented it.
So they really were not inventorying and tracking the inventory.
To me, that is a massive security issue.
Now, that was just one of the issues.
There were multiple ones.
But the other one that was pretty disturbing was when they walked into, I believe it was Richland County, into one of their warehouses right in the, which, by the way, people would tour, the passwords were sitting up on the whiteboard as you went in, the administrative passwords.
So it's like, maybe that's not a good idea.
That's great.
You know, and even in South Dakota, it was great to hear in testimony from Leah Anderson, where she used the Minnehaha County Otter.
And when she first arrived, all of the express vote machines were sitting in the mailroom where every single employee that could walk into the mailroom had direct access to that equipment.
It wasn't secured at all.
And so that was kind of the clown show that we were seeing.
And so, and it was kind of appalling because you know that there's maintenance agreements with ESNS and you would think that a worker coming in would say, hey, that's not a good idea.
Maybe you should secure that a little bit more.
And so to have two previous election officials before Leah operate in that type of standard and be held in such high standard, and it wasn't until Leah comes forward to actually secure it, it was very concerning.
So now if we switch over to Dominion, there's some stuff that's publicly available.
And so on slide six, one of the things that we have available is the Minnesota Secretary of State actually talking about the DVS order vulnerability.
This was directly on the Secretary of State's website where he talks about how the cast vote records, the ballot images, are not randomized.
And on the next slide, Alex Halderman, who was the one who kind of discovered this and created a fix, here are the states that were impacted by that vulnerability.
And so it's like it's part of 21 states that are sitting out there.
And so this is absolutely incredible.
And so that kind of points to an issue where the EAC missed that checkbox to basically protect the voters.
The other piece of this is that the Secretary of State then points to this website and basically says, here's the fix so that you can download it and go ahead and run the fix on it.
And so that's just absolutely disgusting that that actually happened.
Now, what we're looking at here is a certificate that the Secretary of State of Minnesota issued.
And what's funny is that this is 5.5C, which from the EAC does not have modems in it.
And on the last page, on the first paragraph at the top, it talks about how there are modems with this, but they don't actually certify it.
And they basically reference another version of 5.5 CS is not included in the certification.
However, D Suite 5.5 CS is not prohibited from being used because it was shown that the modeming did not affect the ability of the components of the D Suite 5.5C system to meet the certification requirements in Minnesota.
So here's the stunning truth about that.
We have heard and seen fines to vendors when they include hardware or software that is not supposed to be there.
So why is any modeming function available in Dominion 5.5C, or if they want to call it 5.5 CS, how is that even allowed?
So what's going on here?
Because those should be two different systems, or there should be a separate chart for it.
There shouldn't be this conflation.
The EAC voluntary voting system guidelines don't allow for that.
And so this kind of raises some red alarms that really need to be investigated.
So right out of the gate here, this is something that definitely the Lindell team could use because we just showed you publicly available information from the state of Minnesota regarding a vulnerability of the cast vote records and the vulnerability of extra software on the systems that the Secretary of State said we don't certify.
Are you kidding me?
That's your job.
You're supposed to secure the elections and certify this.
You're not supposed to allow other things that come out.
Now, Jill, when we looked at some of the manuals of ES&S, isn't it funny that they have kind of an interesting statement when we started investigating additional extra credit devices in Wyoming?
They basically have...
Go ahead.
I'm so sorry.
I didn't mean to interrupt.
I'm just saying, yes.
It basically said that we warranty nothing.
And when and or if you use any type of other certificate or other machines, for instance, in our state, we use what's called a sysdar formatter or the OK712 ballot on demand, but they were not certified with our systems.
But in this disclosure at the back of the ESNS manual you're referring to, it says any deviation away from the guidelines of the of the ESNS certification is then that puts this system as in void.
Yeah, in all of their manuals in the beginning of the ESNS manuals and every single one of them, if you add anything to their system, they warn you that it decertifies the system.
We found this in manuals, even in South Carolina as well.
We found it in Discovery in manuals in Minnesota as well.
That statement is consistent across the United States of what we've been able to review so far.
Now, when we look at Minnesota again, our link from slide eight, where ESNS also has this new little system.
There's a 6060 system that Wyoming uses, but then Minnesota has a 6070 system that has modeming.
And when we go to page 3 of that certificate, it gets really interesting that we actually see further down on item 6 where it will actually tell us that this is actually, the modems are not tested and they're not certified.
It's actually on page, maybe it's on page 6 near the signature page.
So we'll keep scrolling through here and we'll look at the last page here.
And this is still the Dominion 5.5 C.
So we want to go to the previous slide before this and you'll see the ESNS one.
Okay, so moving on, we actually, you can actually get that information publicly available from the Secretary of State site.
You can do a Google search on official documents, MNSOS.
Then you can go to their official documents page.
You can do the drop-down box, elections, and then select ESNS in the description, hit search.
You can see the certificate and the research documents, the reports there, and it'll show you in both their reporting document and their original certificate that they did not test for the modems themselves or certify them.
And so that is publicly available, and that is just so damaging for both vendors.
And it also just rips away the trust of us as the voter that these things are even secure.
We just had an alert from the Daily Mail that I shared out on X that basically says 1.8 billion iPhone users are at risk.
And so this points to the poll pads that are out there in the elections that the voter rolls are even potentially insecure.
And so I shared that out on X earlier.
And it's like, we just cannot keep up with this stuff.
And so when we look at, and the three of us looked at the original standard from the voluntary voting system guidelines, it's one of the simplest ones out there.
And so on our slide 10, we actually talk about 7.4.2.
This is the antivirus that we talked about.
So one slide before this, we actually talk about the required voting system guidelines because a lot of states actually adopt that rather than voluntary.
So I made that little fix for you.
But here, it says right here, vendors shall develop and document the procedures to be followed to ensure that such protection is maintained in a current status.
Here's a tip for the Lindell team.
Why don't you go ahead and review the antivirus level that the systems were at before the 2020 election?
And you can actually see what Windows system was there at that time because we have to remember, just like we're approaching this year, where Windows 10 is going to be expired on October 14th, 2025, back in the day, Windows 7 was sunsetted on January 14th, 2020.
And many of the voting systems had Windows 7 on them, not Windows 10.
And so there is just a bountiful amount of evidence of vulnerability.
Plus, Holderman, who's a Democrat out of Michigan that basically showed all of the vulnerabilities in Dominion, I want to say his original case started in 2018, so that predates 2020.
And that's just absolutely devastating that here we are again, and we don't have our voting systems fixed.
Yeah, so here's a couple things just number one, South Carolina was one of those states who had the Windows 7 operating system on their, all of their voting, throughout their voting system.
And what was really shocking about that was when we had just bought new machines for the 2020 election and we bought them with the outdated Windows 7.
We didn't say, okay, yeah, give us the 10.
We said, no, we'll just have the old 7, even though it was going out of, you know, that it wasn't being serviced by Microsoft any longer.
And what was weird is when we did a FOIA, they actually, our now election director was saying, don't worry, we don't need to worry about Windows 7 versus Windows 10 because the systems are not connected to the internet.
I was just like, wow, there's so many ways that you can hack or infiltrate or tamper with the system.
It doesn't necessarily have to be connected to the internet.
That's such a ruse, really.
It's a fallacy.
So we were one of those systems.
The other thing I wanted to just, you know, emphasize from what you're saying, because anytime you have something that's more than a de minimis change, and obviously having a modem would be a significant change to your system, that will require a new certification.
And just like you said, that means it rendered that system non-certified.
It's not certified.
So how can you have an election with a system that is not certified?
The other issue you brought up is this lack of security.
People have to know that the federal government gives these states millions of dollars for security.
In South Carolina, when there was an audit done in 20, it was through 2022, through 2023, I believe, but it came out in January of 24.
They found that we were only using less than 2% of the HAVA funds, the Help America Vote Act, which is federal funds, for security.
So we took all that money, but we didn't spend it on security.
So that's disturbing as well.
So what are these states doing to ensure that the systems are secure?
Each of these secretary of states and election directors need to take their job seriously and ask the right questions and be as diligent as you are in terms of scrutinizing these systems and Jill and myself scrutinize them, put the fine-tooth comb, understand the systems so that we understand the security vulnerabilities.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
We're not election deniers, but we are trying to be security enhancers.
And the reality is we have been trying to work with the vendors to get them to step up to the plate.
We have asked for engineering change orders to secure the systems.
We have been asking the vendors as well as the EAC, what is the status of the new systems for the 2.0.
You know, just as you point out, this didn't sneak up on the vendors.
They actually participated in the Voluntary Voting System Guidelines 2.0.
They were on the committees.
They actually had a chance to respond to all of the questions and the open requests that were out there.
There were two rounds of it.
You can see that they did participate.
But yet, how did they miss the boat in preparing systems to be ready to go after the labs had passed their circumstances and ready to go?
Just like you said, Rick, we're the ones who are being proactive.
They don't care.
They like these systems that are inherently not secure, not transparent, and not verifiable.
And we as people have to say, we're putting our foot down, enough is enough.
No more black box voting systems.
Why is it that we care more about it than the people who are being paid?
We're all volunteers here.
We put money out actually on this, all this work.
Why is it that the people who are being paid don't care as much about as, and why are they not being proactive?
These standards were 2021.
It's now 2025, and they haven't even been submitted for testing.
Cut me a break.
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And we're going to discuss kind of what Trump did with the executive order to really put the conversation in place for us.
But there's definitely a lot more that needs to be done.
And the executive order doesn't fix everything.
It basically kind of sets the table as here's the gold standard that I believe that we should have as a country.
Now, the biggest problem that we have, or actually opportunity, is our state legislatures.
Our state legislatures under Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution basically have the right to determine the time, place, and manner of the elections.
And so that's where we're going to see kind of this collision course between what is happening in the federal lexicon, but also within the states, but even at the local level too.
And so what's interesting is that I was talking with an auditor out of South Dakota, Leah Anderson, and she attended a meeting last week and some of the executive order questions were asked of Monet Johnson's team and specifically about the 2.0.
So let me set the table here.
Leia has run into an issue during the last election that the reporting times took a long time.
They are a central count type of accounting.
So one of the ideas that we had was let's get tabulators out into the precincts where the voters are actually inserting the ballots in.
And then at the close of the election, they take the thumb drives, drive them into the county, and then insert it in.
So it would help speed it up, especially on the larger precincts.
And so she was looking at quotes there.
And unfortunately, she ran into issue number one.
ESNS no longer sells the DS200.
So they have a DS-300 model.
Our current system is certified under 1.0.
Our administrative rules require 2.0 for the next certification.
And the DS200 is not going to be sold anymore.
So the DS-300 is not approved in our existing 6.1.1.0.
It's on the newer systems like 6.3, 6.4, and 6.5.
But we've created this conflict now in South Dakota that those three systems are not certified for 3.0 or 2.0.
And so ESNS hasn't even crossed the finish line or filled out the application to start testing any one of those three.
So that immediately creates a conflict just in our own state.
So now if we overlay the executive order across the rest of the United States and we don't have a 2.0 certified system of Dominion or ESNS right now, what are our states supposed to do?
So the answer already coming out of the Johnson administration in South Dakota is we're going to ignore the executive order and we are just going to stay kind of where we're at.
I don't think that is a tenable solution.
And this executive order came out on March 25th and here we are almost 60 days into this and there are some deadlines.
And so there's 180 days originally, so 120 days left for the EAC to review systems, get them ready for 2.0 and decertify the other systems for federal elections.
And so talking with another expert that's also associated with the Lindell case, he and I were talking this morning and he said, there are so many federal laws that if South Dakota thinks that they're going to get away with this, they're in for a rude awakening.
Now talking in Wyoming and Chuck Gray it was actually refreshing to sit down through several meetings with his administrative staff and also a few legislators.
And we actually came together and actually kind of laid out here are the problems, here are the hurdles.
And now they're actually talking about a legislative interim to try and fix some of the issues.
But they also kind of want to see what's ESNS going to do because we can't put numbers on the table if there's not an actual system, right, Jill?
That is correct.
You know, I am grateful for you to sit down with myself a couple of phone calls or Zoom calls with the Secretary of State and his staff and then also some legislatures.
We had our Speaker of House and multiple people attend.
And I have to tell you that I've been sending them more information and they are absolutely fired up.
So we struck a chord with them in a really good way.
So what we're trying to do is in our interim is we're trying to get the machines removed.
We're also trying to clean up our voter role.
And I've heard some people talk about some different ways to do that, but our voter roles are really in a bad way so that we, I believe we need to just totally delete it and then start over.
And the same thing with these election systems that I've had some conversations with some legislatures just last night and this morning.
And one of them was just saying, well, this is just unacceptable.
This is not certifiable.
We can't run substandard systems for whatever reason, no matter if there's not one available or not.
And he says, the only way we see forward is if we start training people across the state to do hand counting.
And this can consider itself as basically a continuity of government situation with these systems not being updated.
So I am very, very encouraged by their at least thinking in that process of it that there is another way to do it.
And with that, they've talked about, well, in our state, we also have a law or rule that says that you cannot purchase a system that has not been in use two elections.
So with that, we are for sure not going to be able to have anything before almost the 2030 election that will be in there.
So it's a pretty big deal, I think.
And I think they're believing that what we're saying is true.
So thank you, Rick, for helping me with that and continuing to get that information out.
You bet.
And so as part of the disaster recovery plan, we want to raise the red alarm and red flag.
And tomorrow's show, we want to introduce a hand count method that you can use available at uscase.org.
I have updated the website on there that you can actually download the tally sheet, grab a red pen and a blue pen, and Laura and I are going to show you the hand count process.
And so Laura, why should we be prepared for a hand count?
Well, because just like Jill said, these states are going to really be in a bit of a pickle.
Literally, the executive order says that the existing certifications may be rescinded within 180 days.
If they're not going to comply with the new VVSG2 standards, and we assume they're going to be even more stringent than what is currently out there, then they're not going to get a certified system.
And you can't have a voting in South Carolina with an uncertified system.
And then on top of it, if they're not going to comply, like you're intimating, Rick, they're not going to get federal funds.
And a lot of these states really require, rely on these federal funds for, you know, multiple functions of running elections.
So I think they're going to be hard pressed to just go, yeah, we're just going to ignore that.
So they better get ready for the hand counting.
And it's people paper pens.
So it's super simple.
And that's why I encourage all of you, please join us tomorrow because it's fun too.
And we want you to experience it to know, hey, I can do this.
I would be willing to hand count.
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Stay awesome, everyone.
And that's it for today's show.
Thank both of my guests and Gary behind the scenes.