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Sept. 5, 2024 - The Lindell Report - Mike Lindell
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The Lindell Report | 5 SEPTEMBER 2024
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My pillow guy, Mike Lindau.
He is the greatest.
My pillow guy, Mike Lindau.
And he's been with us right from the beginning.
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Michael Dell will be here in just a second.
As I said, you can follow him on Twix at RealMikeLindell.
And I do suggest you check out his organization, Lindell Recovery Network.
FrankSpeech.com also.
And the book is What Are the Odds?
From Crack Addict to CEO.
So please welcome Mike Lindell.
There's the book, CEO.
MyPillow.
Welcome, Mike.
Oh, thanks for having me on.
So, you know, I know a little bit about your condition, you know, having worked in that field for a long time.
How long have it been sober?
January 16, 2009.
Congratulations.
That's a big deal.
And thank you for helping others in recovery.
I mean, I know that's a, you know, my patients always tell me that's how they stay sober.
You know, it's by keeping other people being of service.
These are the ones that are serious.
That is my, I have had many recovery.
Yeah.
Recovering people over the years.
Well, you know, they always tell me I'll go to the mat if they're serious, but if they're, if they're BSing or obfuscating, you're on your own.
Good luck with it.
Right.
You know, for me, I went through all different secular treatment centers throughout the 80s and, you know, get your license back, get a DWI, get your license back, go play the game.
And the instructors, since they had never been there, you know, it really was just like a game we were playing.
And they put all the shame on you.
Well, you spent all your money, you hurt your loved ones.
You know, well, we already knew all this stuff.
We're addicts.
You know, so when I quit, by the grace of God, overnight, you know, like my Linda Recovery Network, it's all people that have been there, like I've been there.
You know, I've been there, and if I want to hear from someone that's been there, and they've made it through, that resonates with me.
And I call them hope matches.
You got a hope match out there, you know?
Same addiction, maybe same age or whatever.
The commonality of the addiction and going, wow, he made it through that.
He made it through that.
I can too.
Not only that, in terms of the peer model, you know, there is a program, the mutual aid program does work.
It stands up to scientific scrutiny as much as any other treatment modalities.
And using peers is clearly the most efficient thing.
Not only that, But there just aren't enough professionals on earth to sit on and meet the needs of somebody early in this process.
They have huge needs, and it's only because someone has done it for them, the peer individual, that they're willing to do it freely for others.
And guess what?
More often than not, it's free.
Right, right.
My book, LyndaleRecoveryNetwork.org, it's, wait on it, free.
Yeah.
And whenever that stuff is attacked, I'm like, what?
It's free!
What part of free do you not get?
This is a form of health care that stands up to scientific scrutiny, and it's free, and what is wrong with people?
It's just odd to me.
But there is usually, as you sort of alluded to, there needs to be some sort of spiritual program embedded in people's recovery. 100%.
Yeah, it's good things to be faith-based.
You've got 85% success versus 5%.
Back when I quit everything overnight, two months later, I actually went to my church.
It was a faith-based treatment center there.
I went there to find out why I was an addict in the first place.
The first thing I did, I walk in the place and I'm going, and I'm bragging up on how many drugs I used to do and all this.
They go, we don't care about that.
We want to know.
The first thing I said, tell us about your father.
I go, what did my father have to do with anything?
They started digging back.
I come from a divorced family back when divorces weren't common back in, you know, 1969.
And, and, um, do I blame everything on that?
No, but I'll tell you the family unit, they did a poll once and, uh, Kansas, of the felons that were in prison,
now these are felons, what percentage of their parents got together, planned on getting married,
got married, had the child, and then were still married while the guy or gal was in prison?
Zero percent, everybody, zero percent.
As you get down to the county level, it goes up and up from there.
So the family and God are so important in getting through that.
Yeah, okay, so for sure.
And finally in the later 90s, 2000s, my profession started looking at something called
the adverse childhood experience scale.
And lo and behold, an adverse childhood experience is divorce, shocking, addict in the home,
you know, somebody's an alcoholic, which I suspect you probably had that
because the gene comes, the thing comes from somewhere.
It's a biological process, you know?
And...
And yet we have still been living in a time when the families have been allowed to decay.
Kids are, you know, no one's born within wedlock anymore.
They're not, you know, single-family homes are just ridiculously common.
Marriages don't last.
And then the spiritual side of things, we'll go to that next.
But why have we allowed families to deteriorate so much in this country?
In fact, I don't know if you saw the president of Mexico.
He was being interviewed And he was glib in his answer, but it's getting at this point.
He said they were talking about fentanyl, the journalist was, why aren't your people using fentanyl?
And he quickly, you saw this snap back, we have families.
Our families are intact here.
Which I thought was a very interesting answer.
Absolutely.
And that's been the attack on our country.
It's not just through our, you know, we're in a spiritual battle of historical proportions.
And, you know, as everyone knows, I've been fighting for our election platforms, but you go deeper than that.
You go back a couple of decades when this started, it was to destroy the family unit.
And, you know, our college kids have been brainwashed.
I mean, there's been just all kinds of stuff that happened back then, and it's been a manifestation of now of just, you know, I believe, you know, this is evil.
This is just taking, you know, you started with that, destroy the, you know, and it's, you know, they had, you know, already in the inner cities, you know, I spent a lot of time in the inner cities in addiction, and there was so much fatherlessness there.
I did a thing.
I was in the projects once in Chicago.
I was on a radio show and I said something on there about fatherlessness and everybody's an addict or addicted to drugs or on drugs and this lady shamed me.
She goes, how dare you stereotype us?
And I said, And I said, you know what?
Other than my one drug dealer's mom that was in the corner praying every day for us, I said everybody was affected.
I think everyone in Chicago called this lady, this host, and just said, he's right, he's right.
She had to have me back on and apologize.
That's reality.
We didn't make it up.
I think they tried to destroy the black community long before everything else, but that was the part of this, let's destroy the family unit.
And, um, you know, you talk about Mexico, you know, with the Hispanics, they're still very tight in that unit, you know, probably the most tight, um, um, of the, of the people, um, you know, the families, yeah, they're the most tight right now.
And I think anyway, and so that what he was saying is true.
Yeah, no, it has been a concern and yet it's under constant assault as recovery has been under assault.
So recovery is under assault, family is under assault, certainly spirituality and any kind of religious program.
As we saw the religion decay or back down in the 20th century, you start to see the rise of charismatic leaders and centralized authorities and mass formation psychosis such as in Germany.
These become commonplace.
And I would argue we're getting into another wave of that kind of thing.
At least a lot of people are still completely swept into these mass formations where they're not even thinking.
They're just in a mob.
And I think it is lack of, lack of anchoring, lack of, you know, whether it's some sort of meaning in life that religion used to give people or meaning that families give people.
If you don't have that, you're sort of prone to almost, you know, swept into cults.
Absolutely, absolutely.
I tell people right now though, you know, I do it in my speeches even.
I just came from Wisconsin today in a speech I gave with our real president.
Can I say that on your show?
With our real president.
I don't know, it might get you in trouble.
I don't think it'll get me in trouble.
Caleb will just put up a disclaimer.
You better get that side ready.
No, what I said, what I said to everybody, I said, you go back to December of 2019, where
you have the highest consumer confidence.
There it is.
But you have the highest consumer confidence in history.
Everybody's lives had physically improved because of political decisions being made.
But everybody wasn't giving thanks to God.
They weren't getting on their knees going, thank you God, thank you for all this.
But their physical lives had improved.
Now, as we see our country in total destruction and fentanyl pouring in, like you're saying, people are feeling hopeless and they're turning to drugs.
People that haven't been addicted before are addicted, and people that are addicted get further addicted, so to speak, because addiction can be a massive escape from reality.
Yeah, but I tell it when I say what's going on right now is we're in the greatest revival for Jesus Christ in history because people look to God when things are going bad.
So you're seeing more and more people pour into this bucket over and over and over again just like my network on my network.
Yeah, getting off your addictions is just a bonus. It's getting to your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
And that's and so all the things that are going bad out there in our country right now
If you look at it from that perspective It's a more and more people are being saved and I and I
think that's a you know, that's what I look at People say, well, honey, you know, you have a strength.
You keep going and going.
Well, it's my faith in God, and I'm looking at it as a positive.
Of course, I'm always optimistic about everything, but we've got to look at it like that.
You know, people say, well, if Donald Trump gets back in, everything will be fixed.
Well, we don't know that.
This is all in God's timing and God's plan.
And if things have to get bad and bad and worse and worse so people, you know, can, you know, their eyes can be open both politically And spiritually and I think it's a I think what's happening now has a lot of the silver lining will be what we see down the road and we look back and say well look at all this that got all the people that got saved and returned our country from a
Like I said, the 2020 election was probably the most important election in history because it's opening people's eyes as things keep happening in our country that don't make sense.
Why would you have an open border and fentanyl pouring across the border and killing people?
Why would you have all this stuff if it doesn't help people?
I don't care what party you're in.
I don't even care if you're liberal or conservative.
If it doesn't help the people, there's a different agenda and it's a very evil agenda And like I say, we're in, and I've said it before, you know what?
If we don't get through it, if we don't get through it, then it's end times.
You know, we all go to heaven as believers, it's a win-win.
So, I've always said, the times we're in now are probably the most historical times, the best times to be alive, because everything now is is going to be changed and it's going to be according to God's will.
And so I'm looking forward to wherever we end up there and I'll look back and say, wow, it was on his time.
And if you look up patience, if you Google patience, you don't see a picture of me, trust me.
But I've had to learn to be patient.
I've had to go, okay, I want it to happen right now.
But that's not reality.
Right, I'm afraid not, but we've had many great awakenings in this country.
They've been very interesting.
One of the things that doesn't make sense is that we allow people to die on our streets of addiction, and we give them drugs and give them needles, and we make it all legal to steal to support your habit and traffic in the drugs and whatnot.
I'm wondering if you ran afoul of the legal system a few times with your, and I'm guessing it was crack that you got into, you were saying inner city Chicago.
Did the legal system get in, and did having the consequences of the legalities affect your, get you towards recovery?
No, I never, ever, ever got caught with drugs or any drugs.
In fact, I'll tell you this quick story.
It's in my book of my intervention.
I had a warrant out for my arrest.
Mine was always, you know, DWIs and such, and I had a warrant out for my arrest.
I was downtown Minneapolis hiding out until I would get to court and be found innocent of it.
And I had been up for about 14 days, and I came out of the room and all three drug dealers were standing there to control these areas.
And I go, what do you guys know each other?
And they go, yeah, we know each other.
But they had never met.
They said, they go, I said, well, what are you doing?
He goes, well, Mike, we're cutting you off.
You've been up for 14 days.
I said, what is this, an intervention?
They go, you call it whatever you want, Mike.
One of them laughed in disgust and the other one went down the street and got the word out.
Now I sat there with the other guy.
How much crack do you have left?
I showed him and he sat in the chair and tried to wait me out until I ran out of crack.
Well, I finally did run out and I'm carpet farming and scraping the pipe and everything.
I look over and he's sound asleep.
So I head down the streets of Minneapolis.
I come back upstairs at 2.30 in the morning And after an hour of trying to buy crack, nobody would sell me crack.
They had got the word out.
Don't sell them anything.
Well, I got back upstairs and he says, uh, how'd that work out for you?
And he said, man, you've been telling us for years that this, uh, your addiction thing, that you're going to quit someday.
And you're going to come back and help us all out of this addiction world we're in.
And he said, give me your phone.
I want to take a picture for that book.
You said you're going to write someday.
And that picture on here where, where it turns from the good mic to the bad mic.
That's the book or the picture he took that day.
Now, to finish what I was saying there, I actually went to bed then and slept for probably 20 hours.
Well, I had to get back out to Carver, Minnesota to give something to my brother or my pillow wouldn't be here.
Okay, so I head out to Harbor, Minnesota, and we're working out of a little schoolhouse, and I'm looking around, and I'm kind of paranoid going out there because if I get caught, they're going to haul me right to jail before I can get this to my brother, these papers.
But I pull into the schoolhouse.
There's only one way in and one way out, and here I pass Larry, the cop.
And I go, oh no, and I fly up the hill.
He gets out of his car and he's trying to grab for his gun.
Stop, Mike, stop!
And I go, and I did stop and I said, Larry, here's exactly what I said to him.
I said, Larry, I said, Um, I know you're going to arrest me anyway, but here's the deal.
I got to get these papers to my brother.
It's something to do with God that's going to affect millions of people.
And I said, I don't know what it is, but I said, I know you're going to arrest me anyway, but I said, if you can let, let him, let him get these papers.
And I said, and I'll tell you what, if you do that, you're going to arrest me anyway.
I promise I'll be.
Innocent next Tuesday, and if I'm not you can arrest me anytime and I promise I'll have cocaine on me now I said this to Larry the cop.
I had never been Busted for drugs or anything ever you know I did have a bar for 13 years and not a good place for an addict But anyway to finish that story Nine years went by.
Remember, I quit on January 16, 2009.
It was like maybe five, six years ago, and I was doing a little parade in Carver, Minnesota, wanting to throw little pillows out like these to the kids there in this parade.
And I went to do that.
Now, I hadn't seen Larry in nine years from that day.
And here, the floats are lining up, and all of a sudden, I hear, And that was a familiar sound.
I look and here's Larry, the cop, pulls up and he gets out of his car.
I go, Larry!
He goes, Mike!
And he goes, he goes, am I in that book?
You remember what I did for the people?
And I get off the float and I said, Larry, Why did you believe me back then?
He quoted exactly what I just told you, everybody.
He quoted me.
He said, and you promised you'd have cocaine on you.
You said, it would have something to do with God if I didn't give the things to your brother.
And I said, well, why would you believe that?
And he said, you know, Mike, he said, everything you said, you were so transparent and you just put it out there.
And I said, well, what about the cocaine thing?
And he goes, he goes, well, we all had our suspicions, but you never, you know, I was never caught or whatever.
But he said, and he, and then he did say, he goes, Mike, he goes, one of the things in your eyes, you believed what you, what you were telling me.
And he said, who was I to, you know, do something against God's will.
I just thought that was kind of a, and so I got a picture of Larry and I in the book that day.
So to answer your question, that was a long answer, but I had a bar for 13 years.
I think everybody in the county knew I did drugs.
Interestingly enough, after I met Donald Trump in the summer of 2016, I met him for the first time.
He invited me there to just as a businessman asking me about, you know, doing
manufacturing here in the US.
Well, I came back to Minnesota and I did a press release saying, hey, this presidential
candidate, I met with him.
I didn't even tell him what it was for.
And the media attacked me.
And one of the things they said was I was a drug.
They said I was a drug dealer.
Now, at that time, I'm going, what?
And we made him do a retraction.
And the way I did the retraction was I wasn't a drug dealer.
In fact, I did so many drugs that I tried to rid the city of Minneapolis by doing them all.
But I never dealt a drug in my life, I just did them all.
And there was that kind of transparency with the media, that's where that started.
Well, it's interesting.
I mean, cops gotta have a sense of when people are lying and when they're not, because they're lied to all the time, and they're certainly used to hearing lies, especially from addicts.
And I wonder how paranoid the cocaine got you, because crack boy, you start to get real preoccupied about cops.
I'm surprised you could talk to him.
He's a little bit sober at that point.
Remember I had slept for a day, but you know, I did.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
In my book, I talk about, you know, I was a very functioning addict for two decades before
crack.
It was cocaine, alcohol, and everyone, crack and cocaine, they're really, they're two different drugs, I consider
them.
Very different, very different.
Yeah, very different.
Anyone that's on crack knows that.
But I was a functioning addict.
I think people confuse addicts.
They go, oh, you were, you know, someone homeless on the streets and whatever.
And I say in my book, addiction affects everyone, no matter how many forks you eat with.
I don't care if it's no forks all the way, no, you eat with four forks.
I was a functioning addict, raised a family for over two decades, and I got into crack right around the year 2000.
And I invented my pillow in 2004.
Well, so you had these parallel tracks of crack addiction with the inventing of my pillow.
But one of the things I always did, I was, this was a miracle.
This is what anybody that's been on crack say, that's a miracle that I was able to keep the two separate.
Where I couldn't smoke crack.
There's no way you could do a pillow show and smoke crack because you'd be paranoid, tweaking out windows.
You would be, it's a very paranoid drug.
There's nothing like it in the planet.
And it's horrific.
It is absolutely horrific.
Yeah, the strange thing about the paranoia, I mean, meth creates paranoias too, but when you smoke meth, but the different paranoia, the meth creates paranoias that's focused on people close to you, family, friends, neighbors, co-workers.
So their relationships get completely tied into the delusions of meth.
With crack, it's preoccupation with uniformed officers.
Uniformed officers.
And you said you're tweaking, looking out the window, and that's what you see out there is Absolutely.
There's just a fear.
It's beyond anything anyone could ever experience.
And before I was on crack, I had a friend that was, these crack addicts that were friends of mine, and they'd always be so paranoid.
And I go, well, I always feel secure around so-and-so because there's always cops around, you know?
But I feel safe, you know, there's cops everywhere.
We could be in the middle of the dangerous place, whether it's Mexico or an inner city.
I go, don't worry, there's cops around protecting us.
You can see them.
He sees them in the trees.
And then the other thing is that crack addicts, it's always up high, it's often up high a little bit, but the other thing crack addicts do is they do something with their windows.
So what did you used to do with your windows, other than shut the curtains?
Yeah, there's that.
You're tweaking out the shades.
It's horrific.
I've said it before.
You didn't put the foil on the windows?
No, I didn't get that far.
That's the usual.
That's a go-to.
So if you see foil on the windows, it's your buddies.
Oh, they all have that.
They all have that.
Um, I know one thing is you could, you knew how many windows were in every house you were in.
I'll tell you that, you know, going window to window.
And we call it, when I said before, I talked about carpet farming.
I can do a speech nowadays, Rome of addicts.
And, and I started talking about crack with the carpet farming and, and, uh, and not having any chore boy or whatever.
And they all know what I'm talking about.
You can see the ones reacting.
I know what you're talking about too, yes.
Sniffing, raking the carpet, sniffing the cracks in the, sniffing the cracks in the, anyway.
Right, exactly.
But you know, here's the thing too, is I want to say, my Lindo Recovery Network, when you first get to the website, you actually put in your age and your addiction, because every single addiction has a commonality to it. Now, and we all say what you didn't
like about the drug.
I never have any of them say the manifestation like, oh I did this, I got these tickets,
I rolled a car, you know, got in an accident, killed someone, whatever it is. Because another
addict that hears that, they think two things in their head, either I'm not that bad or
I'm worse than that.
So I don't want that.
What I do is, when you get to these hope matches, is I just want the commonality of the drug.
So when I sit and say to you all, hey, I got tired of tweaking out windows, what I hated about crack, tweaking out windows, running out of Choriboy, not having baking soda, carpet farming.
I say all this, every crack addict watching right now going, yep, he's been where I've been.
And then I tell you that I got through it and they're trusting me.
Wow, he's been where I've been and I want to find out how did he get through it.
And so that's the website.
If you go to lyndalerecoverynetwork.org and whether it's in meth, we'll have the same
thing.
Heroin, I don't like the sticky thing.
I mean, I've watched all these.
Every single addiction.
And then with alcohol, there's binge drinkers and there's maintenance drinkers.
So you see the two things.
So all these addictions have a commonality, but one of the things they all do is they'll, most of them will give you false courage or mass pain.
I think most of them, all of them, mass pain.
That's right.
Or give you escape.
Escape from reality, masking, and then also false courage.
When I say false courage, if you read my book, one of the things that cocaine would get me,
of course, was being able to talk to people and talk because I was very, I was almost
shy where I wouldn't talk to strangers.
I had a bar.
If someone came into my bar and I was straight and I was bartending and there was no one else in the bar, I'd say, I would say, here, here you go.
I said, let me know if you need the, I'd be over there wiping the bar going, please leave, please leave.
Cause I didn't want to, I thought I didn't like small talk, but I had fear of rejection.
You don't get rejected if you don't talk.
So one of my biggest miracles in my book is that when I got saved, I actually got saved February 18, 2017.
That's when I totally surrendered to Jesus Christ.
From that day on, I've been able to talk in public.
It's a little different than doing infomercials.
Now it's like, we can't shut the guy up, you know?
Let's attack his company!
Maybe he'll stop talking!
Well, I want to talk about a number of things.
I want to take a little break here.
I want to talk about election integrity.
I want to talk about some of the cases that you've been subjected to and talk some business as well.
But you're absolutely correct about the sort of natural history of addiction.
The drug of choice like trauma survivors, opiates, alcohol, right?
And as you say, people that have sort of social phobias, oftentimes cocaine, alcohol,
it's just each of the sort of different sort of categories that starts people off.
And then the biology of the drugs have very characteristic consequences down the line,
which is why the guys that you're talking to in the groups can relate when you start telling your story,
because it's very, particularly crack, very repetitive in how it affects the human brain.
But Michael Dell, thank you.
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Mike Lindell, again, I've given you the particulars. Real Mike Lindell. If you can follow him, the website for
recovery is LindellRecoveryNetwork.org and of course you can go to
FrankSpeech.com. Mike, let's talk.
Hey Mike, how did he do on the ad except for the part where I screwed it up?
Oh, he was doing his little coaching session here for Ad Reads.
Looking good, I knew you would.
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So, business.
So, I am fascinated by, well, I'm fascinated by your business and your story in the sense that it is such a clear story about, amongst other things, your recovery and, you know, your faith and your...
Sort of commitment to growing your business and your customers, but parallel economies.
I feel like most customers feel like the businesses that serve them hate them or don't care about them at minimum, but maybe actually hate them.
And it's clear that you made it clear to customers that I know I love you and I want to serve you and people seem to respond to that.
Absolutely, that's what's kept us where we're at right now.
I've sold 84 million MyPillows from the time I invented them.
and everyone's got to remember that the first time my pillow was attacked was
the summer of 2020, not with the election stuff, it was attacked with, I had a
supplement that worked on the China virus and I put all my money into that
and then instead Pfizer, not Pfizer, the FDA turned on me.
They wouldn't let me give it out.
I was going to give it out free.
I had $10 million worth.
I borrowed money to buy it all.
They stopped it here in the U.S.
Then they stopped me getting it into Israel when they made a dirty deal with Pfizer.
Then they stopped me to get it into the Philippines.
They stopped me getting it in Brazil.
That was to give it away and save lives.
Now we used it here at MyPillow.
We never had to shut down.
So there was blessings that saved lives, but millions of dollars in the product
that became outdated.
And it was, I'm still fighting the IRS and audits over that.
And, but this is just when they attacked MyPillow, that's when I was, at that time,
on the shopping channels, that's when they canceled me.
And then all of a sudden, after I go in and I want secure election platforms, and then all the box stores attack and cancel me.
The people didn't change.
The people all want my pillow.
I can go anywhere in this country and they come up to me.
I don't care what side of politics they're on.
Mike, we love your products.
We love your company.
It's the American Dream on steroids, where you have an ex-addict, where you have thousands of employees, 100% made in the USA for our flagship product, my pillow, right here.
And to be able to, I mean, that's the American Dream, and to sell 83 million, I'm almost 84 million now, and watch my friends and family, we grew up together, and everybody side-by-side working and helping people.
You know, you're right.
It goes back to our principle of we view every customer like it's our only customer.
Back in the day, I drove three states one time, 16 hours, to deliver a birthday present, a MyPillow, to this young kid because they didn't come in time in the mail.
And it wasn't our fault, but I wanted him to have that present.
We've ever, you know, this goes back to, too, when you talk about 2016, when I did go all in for our real president, Donald Trump, after meeting him, did my due diligence, and I go on, and what was the penalty for that?
The Better Business Bureau takes me from an A-plus to an F rating.
This pay-per-play entity, the Better Business Bureau.
And, by the way, it's still an F, everybody.
That's just fantastic, okay?
It's disgusting.
I was up for their torch award, my pillow was.
The highest award, the better business gets out, because we didn't have any complaints.
Every customer, we took care of them.
Because at one time, I only had a few customers, and I didn't lose track of those days where I'd be doing home shows and fairs all the way across the country, and I'm making them in a garage, and selling them on weekends, and going face-to-face with people.
You know, that's where we're at, and it's a shame that we get attacked every day.
The most attacked company in the history of the world is MyPillow.
My employees sit here all the time and they have to worry, are we going to have a company tomorrow?
Because they're relentless, all because their CEO wants to go to paper ballots, hand count it, and secure our
elections here in the United States.
They're not attacking me anymore because Mike wants to overturn the 2020 election.
They're attacking me because they want to keep these computers in our elections, and they don't want to go to
paper ballots.
And it's a shame. This is an employee-owned company. I just happen to have the most shares.
But God's getting us through, and if they thought it would stop me from talking, they were very much wrong.
When they attacked me after the 2020 election, and I lost all the box stores, you know, I didn't change.
I'm the same transparent person I was when I told the whole world, hey, I was a crack addict.
I want to help people that were on it.
I want to use something bad for good.
God uses all things for good.
I didn't change.
What changed was I was revealed to me things in this country that needed to be fixed or we're going to lose the American dream.
And I've lived it.
I've lived it more than you can ever imagine.
And we don't want to lose that for the future of our great kids, grandkids, our children.
It's just disgusting what they've done.
And I was just at a rally today in Wisconsin, and this is one of the few times a journalist got out there and this kid just attacked me in front of the crowd.
And the crowd was going to go after the journalist.
They're yelling at me, going, no, no, no, you guys.
This is what I live for.
All these journalists that attack me, I've actually, that's how I've gotten the word out.
I've had to learn to deal with those attacks because then I can get the word out that, yes, we're still I'm still working every day to try and secure our election, and this kid that did this attacking, you know, I just told the crowd, I said, no, we need to pray for this guy.
He doesn't know.
He's just like, it's like he's still brainwashed.
And so I use that for good.
These journalists, a lot of them, I have every one of their numbers now.
A lot of them, we become kind of weird friends.
They give me their articles before they print and I go, you better bash me more or your boss isn't going to print this.
So when you see, I gotta do it all the time because we became kind of weird friends.
You know, look at, look at Jimmy Kimmel.
When I went on Jimmy Kimmel, he attacked me in the spring of 21.
I recently went on their inside of a claw machine.
I went inside of a claw machine.
I didn't care.
I just want to get the word out.
I didn't do it to be funny.
I did it because I want to reach out to people that are misconstrued and their eyes are getting open now to the destruction of our country.
And, uh, I don't care if they're going to ridicule me and attack me.
It doesn't bother me.
It does bother me when they attack my company and my employees every day.
And that's disgusting as far as I'm concerned.
Mike, I wonder if you have a theory, since you're in sort of the eye of the tornado, eye of the hurricane here, on what this is.
You know, I can look at people's behavior since 2015-16, all the way through COVID, as sort of this mass formation, hysteria, delusion, and it seems like this one guy, Donald Trump, creates this tremendous reaction in people.
It's just really...
I don't, you know, I'm sort of neutral, and so I can see these reactions.
I go, what is that?
And then, so A, what is that?
And then B, what is the...
What's coming after you?
It seems organized from somewhere.
What are your theories?
Or do you know?
It's very organized, everybody.
And like I said earlier in the show, I didn't even know.
I was an ex-crack addict.
I had never voted in my life.
I didn't know a Democrat from a Republican.
I didn't know what a liberal or conservative.
I didn't know a filibuster from a millibuster.
I was invited in August of 2016 to go meet Donald Trump in a divine appointment.
It's in my book.
If you want to find out how I met Donald Trump, he invited me to come and meet him.
It was just him and I in a room.
He had no agenda, everybody, other than this.
He asked me, Mike, I want to bring manufacturing back in.
Into the U.S., you know, like my pillow.
How is it?
How is it going?
He asked my opinion.
My opinion on that.
And then also they said, now whatever you do, don't tell Mr. Trump that you were an ex-crack addict.
I walked in that room and one of the first things I said was, yeah, I was an ex-crack addict.
And I kind of looked at him and he goes, and I said, I got this Lindell Recovery Network I'm setting up.
And he goes, you know what?
I'm going to shut down that border and stop the drugs pouring in.
It was a businessman with a common sense solution, problem solution.
I walked out of that office, I go, wow, I don't know what a president is supposed to be, but this guy makes sense.
It's like a great businessman and if he makes those, if he is what he is there, he's going to be awesome.
But I questioned all his employees at that time.
Every one of them said the same thing.
Great boss, great man.
And he had done something for him individually, you know.
So, as everybody knows now, I've become great friends with him.
He didn't change from the first day I met him.
Everybody loved him as this businessman before he ran for president.
And I say what happened to our country there in the election in 2020, this is the deep state, globalist, A uniparty, everybody remember that, the uniparty, and this is what's taken over, and the CCP, you add them together.
This has been bad.
You go to see what broke up the family unit.
This is a battle of spiritual, it's a spiritual battle of good and evil.
This isn't, you know, we're just all pieces of this much bigger picture.
When you ask who attacks, here's what, I always look for deviations in behavior.
One of the biggest things that surprised me When I went all in, when I finally got the, you know, one of the things I want to tell everybody in 20, right after the 2020 election, I took calculus in ninth grade.
And I'm looking at all these things.
I look at numbers every single day.
I look at numbers.
I look at numbers and I go, wow, this radio station did better than it usually does.
I check in to see why.
You need a different input to get a different output.
It's mathematics.
Well, one of the things I noticed in 2020 with my own investigations in November and December was all the states and counties I looked into had people that voted there that didn't live there, which is a crime.
Well, then I'm going, this is impossible.
4,000 some people voted in Nevada that didn't live there.
I just couldn't imagine people are genuinely good people.
Hey, who wants to vote for Biden?
Let's go run into another state.
No, I didn't believe it.
Then when I got my evidence in January 9th of 2021, that it was computers, and I said, wow, that explains it all.
So one of the things, and I never shut up about it.
Everyone in this country and the world even knows that.
As my pillow's getting attacked and losing their boxers, I go, doesn't anybody care?
We know we've got to, we can't use these.
We have to use paper ballots, hand counted.
But anyway, uh, you go through that and, and, These attacks, as these kept coming, the biggest thing that surprised me, everybody, was the Republicans that blocked me every step of the way.
I'm going, why are you blocking?
I call them Uniparty Republicans.
I'm going, if people are making decisions that don't help even their own party, or at least don't help all people, if it doesn't help either side, if it doesn't help us as a people, there's a hidden agenda.
And it's so deep and evil, you guys cannot imagine this.
They say, well, who's doing this to you, Mike?
It is actually so organized from way higher up that you can't even imagine.
There's things I say in the media when they attack me.
I called the vaccine once the mark of the beast.
You'd think that would have been everywhere.
It would have been everywhere.
The media went out to two outlets and they scrubbed it.
They said, you know, you can't even find that I said that.
Because they didn't want people to actually listen to what Mike Lindell had to say.
So when they went completely silent on me, that scared me.
Back in 21, after I came out with the movie of what happened in the election, they went completely silent on me.
They didn't even attack me.
That's when I came up with FrankSpeech.com so I would at least have a voice.
And I want to tell everybody, the day we started winning, I'm going to give everybody a lot of hope right now.
Two days in history that everybody needs to know is January 7th and 8th of 2021.
Those two days, 1.2 million Americans were de-platformed off YouTube, Gimmeo, Sucker Bucks, Facebook, Twitter, all these things.
And anyone else was put fear of God into them that they wouldn't talk because of January 6th.
Well, that's the day our voice went down to this little tiny dot.
And if that dot went out forever, it was over.
But our voice, it didn't get put out those days.
And now it got bigger and bigger and bigger.
People started, and today where we got it now, people are getting their information from podcasts and everywhere else.
The media platforms have went, you have all different social media platforms now.
And it's almost like word of mouth that people are getting the real news and the real hope.
So that's the day we started winning, and I've said it before.
If the 2020 election was flipped over right away to Donald Trump because of, oh, there was fraud and they didn't get to the root of all of it, we would have lost our country forever, everybody.
If evil would have been smart, they would have just said, okay, we were caught.
Let's just put them back in for four years.
We'll put up with it.
And then it's over.
But now so much has been found over the last three years.
And that's going to, you know, that's going to manifest all the stuff we've found into a beautiful place we're going to get to out here.
And we're going to look back and say all these bad things had to happen for people's eyes to get open.
And all we, as we learn, I'll give you an example in my pillow in 2012, when I did my first infomercial, we went from, I said, my friends and family, we all pooled our money.
We went from 10 employees to 500 employees in 20 days, the number one infomercial in the world, the end of December of 2011.
But I took in $100 million in six months.
I woke up, I was $6 million in debts, and I couldn't get money from a bank.
Here's the next crack at it.
And I'm going, God, what did I do wrong?
But you know what?
I still had faith.
And I pulled everything in-house.
There had been so much betrayal.
And I learned from 2012.
And if 2012 had not happened, everybody, I know now there's no way my pillow would have gotten as big as it did because I learned from the mistakes I made and I learned from those that was horrific at the time.
Same way with the 2020 election.
So much has been found out.
Same way with the vaccine and all the thing we had to go through with the China virus.
We've learned from that.
You think that evil could repeat that the way it went down?
Not a chance.
Yeah, I've had a similar feeling about COVID, that it really revealed, it didn't not just reveal a lot about our health care system, but a lot about what was going on in this country.
And I agree with you 100%.
Hey, can I intervene for a sec?
So the chat is going wild because they're trying to buy your products.
Oh, is it his stuff that's out of stock?
I don't know.
I don't know.
No, it's our stuff that's out of stock.
No, they are stuff.
They said that at the top of the chat, we get credit and they want to know what the code is because they've run out of the code.
It said it said they've run out.
Yeah, it's a new feature on YouTube where you can post products that are related to the current guest.
And so I just I listed like four or five of the MyPillow products.
Some of them might be out of stock in those retailers, like in certain areas.
But if they click through from there, they go, oh, and Walmart has them.
I didn't know that.
Well, they're trying to buy your Walmart.
Cancel this, too.
I'll tell you what right now.
I don't know if I can say it.
You guys will get credit.
Use promo code Drew.
You use promo code Drew.
How's that?
There you go.
Promo code Drew.
Yeah, I told them Dr. Drew or Drew, but I didn't know.
You guys get all the savings.
Everything is right now.
We have our biggest commercial out there.
$25 towels, 20 sets of towels.
We put everything on sale for $25.
We don't have a we don't have a middleman anymore.
The box stores are gone.
They're gone.
They're gone.
Walmart, and by the way, when my pillow was canceled, everybody, when they canceled us,
my pillow is the number one selling product in every box store in this country's history,
including Walmart, $60 buy-through, their number one $60 and $50 buy-through in history.
They canceled.
Costco, same thing.
Kohl's, Bed, Bath, and Beyond.
We were their number one product.
So you know there was a hidden agenda.
They canceled us back then.
Disgusting.
So non-American.
Disgusting.
In fact, I saw you in a deposition expressing your disgust at the lawyers and I practically stood up in my seat.
I was like, oh, I know what that feels like.
I mean, we sell stuff.
The only way we can keep the show afloat is by selling stuff.
And if that happened, I mean, I know that YouTube, like, you know, censored us and wouldn't monetize us for a while because we said the word ivermectin.
But yeah, so that is such a Terrible thing to have to deal with in the United States.
It's just it's disgusting.
Two things, a couple things jumped out of the channel.
And it was the one, you know, I want to say, okay, I want to say one more thing about you
All the cancelizations that went down in 21.
All the box stores except for a few.
Then, last August, I announced a plan at LyndalePlan.com to secure our elections.
Just to secure them and get to paper ballots.
I announced that plan.
That's when we were debanked, demerchants served, American Express left.
We were attacked more than 21!
You know, because, I mean, this, and it doesn't end.
They just go, we want this.
The evil wants me to shut up about these elections.
And, and, uh, you know, like I said before, it doesn't matter.
I will never stop talking and try.
I love our country.
I love people and it's not going to work.
So they should probably quit trying.
I think it gives you superpowers.
Amen.
But two things jumped out of the chat.
One was everyone caught note of your taking calculus in ninth grade.
Like, huh?
Wow, that's advanced math in ninth grade.
So congratulations.
And secondly, somebody quoted you from 1996 that news was inaccurate.
You were ahead of the curve on that.
What news in 1996?
I don't know.
Somebody quoted you saying, or someone in an interview saying that you thought the news was fake.
Essentially, that something was wrong with the news outlets in the mid-90s.
Oh, yeah, I can't remember all the stuff back then that I, but I was always, if something was wrong, when I had to sell my bar, there was a thing that happened in Minnesota, that's in my book too, it had to do with gambling, with casinos that had come to Minnesota and stuff, and I did something to protect our industry, which restaurants and bars, and I fought for what was right, and I lost on a technicality, I lost everything I had, And three years later, everything I fought for came true, and I got calls from all over Minnesota from restaurants going, we know you lost everything, but thanks for saving our industry.
And they looked back then and said, would you do that again?
I said, absolutely I would.
You know, the media asks me all the time.
Mike, now that you've spent every dime you've had, which I've spent upwards of $40 million, I've borrowed money, everything, for this fight.
And this doesn't include my own lawsuits with lawfare, mind you, the billions of dollars I'm being sued for.
This is just to try and—you're putting money to causes trying to help our country.
And they said, looking back now that you've been destroyed, if you could turn back time, I said, are you kidding me?
Absolutely.
I'd still be sounding the alarm louder than ever back then, knowing where I'm at right today.
And they actually questioned, we came back after Jimmy Kimmel asked me, he said, In the spring of 21, he said, Mike, if your friend Donald Trump was selected like you say Biden was, would you still be sounding the alarm?
I said, absolutely, I would.
Well, the Washington Post and Politico came to Minnesota and they went around my county here and questioned all the people that knew me, would he really be sounding the alarm?
And every one of them said, yes, he would.
In fact, one of my friends called me up, this Paul, and he said, he said, Mike, I'm sorry, the Washington Post asked me, would you ever quit?
And I said, they'd have to kill you.
And I said, I'm sure they already know.
True.
That's so funny.
My last question is, how did you settle on a pillow?
I had problems sleeping all my life with that, you know?
When I was 16, kind of ironic, I bought a down pillow with one of my first paychecks.
I worked at a little grocery store here in Chaska, Minnesota.
And I took my first paycheck, it was like $80 or $90, and bought the most expensive pillow I could find.
It was a down pillow, I'll never forget it.
And it went flat, and it was the worst sleep I ever slept on.
And I couldn't return it, I was kind of devastated.
But all my life I had problems.
And then in 2004, I guess it was early 2004, you know, I said, there's got to be something better.
I wanted something you could adjust and that you could adjust the height and it would stay there.
And because everybody's shoulders are different.
At that time, pillows were the number one non-disposable product sold in the world that didn't work.
And it was all because of adjustable.
When I invented my pillow, when I went to shows, anything that came out of someone's mouth, I had the answer for.
So anybody that invents anything, just look at problem and solution.
And one of the ones was, I bet you don't have a pillow you can adjust and it stays there.
Yes, I do.
I bet you don't have one that stays cool.
Yes, I do.
Well, you certainly don't have one you can wash and dry.
Yes, I do.
How about one that lasts?
10-year warranty.
So you follow me.
When I did those home shows and fairs back then, Whatever anybody would ask me, I had that problem solved.
And then if they didn't want to buy when we came to that, then they weren't going to buy in the first place.
My pillow solves such a problem with sleep because it's all about our frame size and keeping our necks aligned from a distance from the head to the bed.
Someone with wider shoulders needs more fill there.
Nobody wants a hard pillow.
and went south, went to stay there.
So, then you all know that, you know, it's so different than any other thing you've slept on.
You know, when I had the box stores, we made a lot more money because people would forget
their pillows when they would go to hotels and stuff to bring them and they'd be sitting there
going, we got to run up and buy a pillow, right? Because I'm getting my pillow because they get to
the, the hotels.
Somebody named Jen Madison said, my pillows, put them in the dryer, fluff them up.
It's down, well down, that's why you name it down, it's a downer.
You go down, your arms are asleep, your head's aching, you wake up in the morning like this,
it's horrible.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Problem, solution.
It's a downer.
Somebody named Jen Madison said, my pillows, put them in the dryer, fluff them up.
Amazing.
Yeah, yeah.
Amazing.
My bad, sorry.
And you know, I do that with all my products.
Like, take my towels.
All of a sudden I've seen a problem with towels.
I'm going, wow, they feel slimy or lotion-y and they don't dry you.
When I grew up, towels worked.
So I found out that here I did some research I found out in 2006 our government here in the U.S.
made deals with Pakistan, China and India and stuff that they could import towels and with no tariffs on them or whatever and and so then it became very competitive in the retail store so the towel companies started adding fabric softeners and lotions to them so you feel them in the stores you get them home and they don't dry you.
So I went and did the technology I researched it, put the technology back into it with advanced technology where they actually dry you and they're soft.
I think I said, what a concept.
In my commercial, I say, look, you can line a swimming pool with it, you know, throw it out.
I have fun with those commercials.
It's really fun.
Well, Mike, I appreciate you being here.
I also appreciate your work with Recovery.
Again, it's Lindell Recovery Network.
The book is What Are the Odds?
From Crack Addict to CEO.
You can, Mike, I'm sure Caleb will put it up there.
And Real Mike Lindell on X is where you should go.
And really, it's been fun to talk to you, Mike.
And please do stay in touch with us, whatever we do to help and support you and the people you serve.
Both the addicts in Recovery and your customers.
I mean, I feel like you're part of their Their family, their community, you know, that's a nice way to create a business.
Can you also repeat the place to go to buy these?
The best place?
The pillows?
Yeah, you can go to MyPillow.com or by the way, MyStore.com.
Use promo code Drew.
And either one, either one helps out the program here, this great show.
But you're helping.
My store, by the way, is entrepreneurs.
I set it up three years ago.
100% made in the USA products.
Thousands of entrepreneurs.
I vetted and protect them so they're not on Amazon, their products get copied and they're made in China.
These entrepreneurs, they rely on the sales here at my store.
And then otherwise go to mypillow.com.
Everything we discount because there's no middleman.
It's right to the people that have protected my pillow and supported us.
And people say, well, Michael, you know, you just never let up to selling my pillow and my pillow product.
I won't.
I have a passion for it.
I love helping people.
This not only helps all of you, but with all the products, most of them are actually help you.
And you're helping a great USA company that's employee owned.
You got it, Mike.
Thank you so much, my friend.
Talk soon.
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