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July 23, 2024 - The Lindell Report - Mike Lindell
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The Lindell Report - 23 July 2024
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Hi, my name is Rick Weibel from Midwest Swamp Watch, and I'm very grateful to be hosting tonight's show.
Mike Lindell gave me a call tonight and asked if I could host, and I said, sure.
I've got some great news, and I've got a great guest on tonight.
Gary Meyer from Minnehaha County, South Dakota, who's also part of SD Canadazine, has a great update as to what has happened in Minnehaha County.
But first, we have some breaking news around the country.
So, not only in Minnehaha County, but S.D.
Kamenstein here in South Dakota, they are filing multiple lawsuits along with volunteers across the state that are now filing cases pro se.
Jessica will have updates later in the week, so stay tuned with the interview with Mike Lindell and Jessica Palmea later on this week.
Also in Minnesota, breaking news, President Trump will be visiting St.
Cloud, Minnesota on Saturday.
So those of you up here in the Upper Midwest, you may want to get your tickets right away.
Then in Montana, it has been discovered that there are voter roll issues, and believe it or not, The team out there has discovered voters that have already voted in the fall election.
Stay tuned for those amazing updates.
And then Wyoming is going through public accuracy testing as well as Minnesota this week.
So stay tuned for all of those great pieces.
If we can have Gary come up, then I've got a few questions to ask him regarding the situation in Minnehaha County.
Hey Gary, how you doing?
Howdy Rick, glad to join you.
Great.
You and I have known each other for a couple of years through SDKavancing.
You and your wife provide great leadership, along with Jessica Palmea, for a lot of the activities happening in South Dakota.
And today was kind of an interesting meeting.
It was the second meeting discussing... Well, I'll let you bring it up.
Well, I was discussing Home Rule Charter, which essentially is our county commissioners trying to change our form of government.
We have three elected positions, the Auditor, the Register of Deeds, and the Treasurer.
And the Auditor is the one that actually has probably instigated this.
A couple of the commissioners are very much against her.
She is a patriot, trying to verify our elections, and they are dead set against that.
One commissioner in particular, and our commissioners are also elected, and he found a way to overturn the election by introducing Home Rule Charter, which basically throws out those three positions if passed by the voters.
It creates a finance officer position to oversee these.
And last week they introduced the idea and we had over 150 people show up.
I would say 99% of those were against this.
Not only did we fill the commissioner's room, we filled the overflow room and we had people in the next room as well.
Very vocal.
The only people that stood up for this thing were elected officials or past elected officials.
And it was very obvious that this was a way to throw out the auditor.
And this proposal, this charter that they were proposing, had three objectives.
It was to maximize local control, consistent with the state constitution and state statutes, provide Minnehaha County with a more efficient executive leadership and a proper separation of powers with the appointment of a county manager.
And their wording was in particular interesting here.
They said, with a more efficient executive leadership.
Implying that the people in these three positions were not providing effective executive leadership.
And then they were combining the offices of the auditor, the registered deeds, and treasurer into a newly established county finance office, which would be led by an appointed finance officer selected to provide professional and efficient fiscal leadership.
Again, as though we don't have professional leadership now.
And it would be an appointed position Um, as opposed to an elected position.
And the commission is made up of five people.
So majority would only be three.
So they only needed three people actually to overthrow the form of government in this county that's currently taking place and effectively overthrow the election.
Uh, some, uh, two of these positions I believe were elected in 2022 and one of the positions was elected in 2020.
So isn't it true that the elected positions, in essence, they're executive.
So your treasurer, your deeds, and then the auditors, that's an executive role.
And then your county commissioners provide kind of a legislative branch.
So this was a way to basically have the legislative branch destroy the executive branch in your form of government, correct?
Correct.
And then isn't it also true that those executive positions, every time they ran, they got more votes than each of the individual commissioners during those same elections, correct?
Yes.
And that was actually presented at one of the commission meetings.
Right.
And these are Republicans proposing this.
Yes.
So is it true that somebody offered to help one of them out and give them a voter registration form to change their party identification?
Because it wasn't a grassroots Republican?
Yes, because this particular commissioner in question does not seem to vote for the people.
And so there was a guest or there was a speaker during public comment today that actually offered him a voter registration form to change his party from Republican to Democrat.
Did it sound like the chair tried to stop that because they were upset that they needed to address the entire commission?
Yes, they felt that this person was picking on one commissioner in particular.
And that is more than obvious by everybody that's seen this.
And they also tried to sell this as it's been in the works for 21 years they've been talking about it.
And that it had nothing to do with the current auditor who was trying to provide election integrity.
But everybody knew it had everything to do with that auditor.
They wanted her out of there.
I did find it interesting in reading the subsequent document that was available last week.
It's about 11 pages.
And what was interesting is that the transition for the auditor would have happened in essence immediately, like in January.
Whereas I believe in South Dakota state statutes, typically the transition for the auditor is usually in March, after all of the fiscal paperwork is typically done.
So this would leave very little transition for Minnehaha County after the November election and certification of the election and even year-end, correct?
Correct.
And so the auditor would have only been in office for a year and about nine months of her four-year term.
And it also seemed like there was really no transition plan.
And there didn't seem to be any type of study or information as to how much this proposal would potentially save.
And I guess I would like to challenge the government.
Why can't they make some of the cost savings now?
What are the ideas that they think that they can accomplish?
And have they approached the three executives to bring up the challenge?
And that question was actually proposed last week at the County Commission meeting as to what are the costs of this?
How are they going to implement it?
And the response back was, this is a meeting for public input.
And so that was their only goal.
They allowed one hour for public input.
Even though one hour was not enough, they cut them off after about an hour and 10 minutes.
Now, if I remember right at the meeting, it sounded like one of the commissioners seemed to be caught off guard that they received the information the Sunday night before the meeting.
Yes, actually two of the commissioners made that comment that they had not received notification of this coming in and they only had a day or two to look over the actual charter itself and felt very uncomfortable.
That they were being put on the spot that they weren't included in the discussions as to how this all came about.
And one of the commissioners even made the comment that she had constituents call her and asking her questions about it.
And she says, I couldn't even answer her because I knew nothing about this till a day or two ago.
Wow.
Wow.
So it is really important for voters.
So you as S.D.
Kamenstein, you're not only about election integrity, but also the stability of government itself to make sure that government is operating correctly and that the people themselves actually have a direct connection to the officers that are running.
The county and the city so I guess this is kind of an expansion that makes sense for SD canvassing is to kind of in essence be a government watch organization to make sure that the people who vote for elected officials retain that connection.
Oh very much so and this this charter came about because of SD canvassing trying to watch how our election systems are run.
I have been going to county commission meetings for many, many, many years, never on this regular basis.
But when we started going for election integrity, all of a sudden we started realizing there were other things on the agenda that came up that weren't related to elections, but were the result of stolen elections.
As people being put in office, the way they voted started looking very peculiar as to why would somebody that's been elected to our county government be voting what seemed to be against the constituents of the county.
And so we started putting two and two together and started wondering, were these folks barely elected?
And of course, we've been at that battle ever since.
Yeah, so this is, as I step back and I look at where, since I came from the state of Minnesota, and now I'm a South Dakota resident since 2018, it is interesting to kind of see where the paradigm has really shifted.
And looking at Minnesota, most of the counties are moving towards an appointed auditor position, which runs the elections.
Now, I'm going to advise people across the United States, you really need to look at who your election official is.
Are they elected so that the public has oversight over that person?
Or are they appointed to where the bureaucracy has oversight of that position?
Because that will determine the path of your elections and also the path of your government.
And so I think it's really a wake-up call for all of us to basically start looking at that.
Now I kind of want to transition into some of our work that we've done at SDKM&C, Midwest Swamp Watch and also USKs.
I'd like to make one more point on this.
Will that run you out of time?
I'd like to make one more point on this.
Will that run you out of time?
Sure.
Okay.
No.
Today, and I actually presented this to them last week too, but today I want to know a
little more detail on this charter.
And I actually went back and I looked in the rules of general conduct for the county commissioners.
And under general conduct, it said, no county commissioner shall use or attempt to use their official position to secure an exemption for themselves or others.
And in this charter for home rule, There is a section in there that said commission members in office when this charter goes into effect will remain in office until the end of their term.
So they are securing their own positions in this, which is which violates their own rules.
And then in a later section, it says the terms of office for the county auditor, the Register of Deeds and Treasurer shall expire on the first Monday of January following the adoption of this charter.
I just I just felt that was That was a very blatant attempt to overthrow our government while protecting their own positions.
So, sorry to sidetrack you.
I just thought that was a note that I had written down that I wanted to make.
Yep, yep.
No, that is absolutely important.
I'm glad you shared that because that extreme violation, if they would have continued going forward, would have resulted in lawsuits and would have cost the county a lot more money than what they would have potentially tried to save.
And it tells me that they didn't even involve enough people, like even the state's attorney, to do just a cursory basic overview.
And it was interesting when I was there and how many lies were presented in regards saying that, oh, there's a lot of counties that are already doing this.
In fact, there's only two counties that do this home rule charter.
And the reason that they do it is because they are so small, so poor, that they actually have voted to basically, in essence, do this so that they can basically hire another county to do a lot of the administrative functions for them.
And so that's the reason, and that's not what your county was seeking to do.
And so that is not an apples-to-apples comparison.
It is apples and oranges in the direction that they were trying to go.
And so I want to give credit to the public there with well over 150 people at both of the meetings that showed up, testified and listened to what everybody had to say.
And I think they learned a lot about themselves as well as about their county government.
And so this is an awakening for us at the local level.
And I think even with President Trump and the assassination attempt, I think it's waking up a lot more.
More people and even just the investigations and the testimony happening in front of Congress with the Secret Service, the FBI and even some of the local law enforcement groups.
We are definitely seeing a clear distinction of the rot within our government and it's time for we the people to take back control.
And in South Dakota, what's our state model?
and regard the people rule. That's right and so we have to ask ourselves in South Dakota and across
the country do we take this model seriously or is it just a nice little plaque that sits up there and
we do nothing about it. So it's more of a do rather than just a not do anything and so we just have
to remember we are Americans not Americans. I'd like to echo the sentiment for our volunteers
to have that many volunteers show up to take off work take off personal time.
I have never, ever been to a meeting where we've had that many volunteers show up.
And of course we were called by this commissioner, the vocal minority.
Even though we had two rooms overflowing, he called us the vocal minority.
And he also called us today.
Today he announced that they would not be pursuing this.
They are going to hold off probably till the next election.
But he said he didn't want it considered to be a heckler's veto.
So he essentially called those 150 people hecklers.
Yeah, they're called voters.
And so those voters with discernment came in and spoke their minds.
That's disgusting to hear.
And that's too bad.
And so I do want to get transitioning into kind of now the 2024 election.
And so I should have introduced this kind of at the beginning, so I apologize that I messed this up.
So those viewers that snuck in and have come in a little bit later, but also those that have stuck with us, we are going to transition into what can you do and the gold standard that we want to have for elections across the United States.
And so now we'll go to one of the slides here and Gary and I will kind of talk about some of the things that we've learned through our research across the United States.
And so the first slide that I want to transition to here is basically what can voters do?
And it is so important that you have to understand how the machines work.
And that we don't want to overmark the ballot.
Otherwise, your vote will not count.
And so if we look at the right-hand side here of your screen, you'll see that the person filled in Donald Trump and then they filled in the write-in area and wrote in Donald Trump.
Well, guess what?
That was an overvote and that vote was not caught in Wisconsin.
And so that vote was canceled.
The voter did the same thing in all of those other two races there where you can see that they selected A representative for Congress, and then wrote in that representative in the write-in, and because of that double vote, that's an overvote, and the machine ignores that, and it didn't make it through adjudication, and it was lost.
So that voter lost their vote.
And then down here at the bottom, we can see that the machines don't care about voter intent at all.
And here are a couple, here are three examples here where the machines, the first two would see it as an overvote.
And then on the other side, we see that that would be an undervote.
Even though the voter selected that candidate, because it was not in the oval, the machine isn't going to read it.
And typically in adjudication in most states, undervotes are not pulled out and reviewed for us in the elections.
And so this is serious to understand this.
And this is why we were requesting the cast vote records and ballot images across the United States so we could understand how prevalent this is.
I can tell you in my research and looking at multiple states, it is prevalent enough to actually turn elections.
That is how scary this is.
Now going back.
So election officials, this is our challenge to you.
Number one, we have to have clean voter rolls.
We need to make sure that the death records are reviewed monthly and we're taking off the dead voters.
We need to make sure that every state is looking at the national change of address.
That needs to be reviewed monthly.
And there's a three year look back within that data when you sign up for it.
And you also need to be working with your county clerk of courts, and they should be sending a list to the county auditor each month for anybody that has moved, anybody that has been identified as mentally incompetent, or anybody who's been excused from jury duty because they don't even live there.
Or they've been sentenced to be in prison, or they're dead, or they're not even citizens of the United States.
We also need to be asking that there be no charge for the voter rolls.
It's our data.
We already paid for all the systems you're using.
Why do we have to pay for this data?
It's us.
And that's just ridiculous that we see these fees across the nation.
Plus, the election officials, the use of machines.
If you're going to use the machines, you need to audit your equipment and accessories.
If it is not listed on the certified list, you can't use it.
You can't be using the Amazon thumb drives.
It's not certified.
You have to use the Delkin or other thumb drives that are certified.
You need to make sure that exact desktop, laptop, and server are exactly as certified or even on the engineering change orders.
And if you have a laptop or desktop that is used in an election for the election management reports or even the design and it's not listed, you need to work with your vendor to get a change order requested and approved.
Also, check your antivirus.
If it's not up to date, ask your vendor for an engineering change order so they can update it.
Reusing of thumb drives?
Not allowed.
The vendor should be reformatting them for you.
Do not risk doing it yourself on your equipment at the county or the city.
Make the vendor do it.
That's part of your maintenance agreement.
And only the thumb drives on the certified list are allowed to be inserted into an election.
And you know what?
If you're unable to do those tasks, you qualify to be hand counting the election.
It's that simple.
Next up on the list for election officials is that we want to make sure that all the testing and everything is transparent.
So the public testing should be announced two weeks prior to the event so that the public can actually attend.
And don't do it during the day.
Try and do it during the evening so more of us can attend.
Create a standard test deck for logic and accuracy and that should be the control set.
Use prime numbers in each race.
Every ballot option should be assigned a unique number on the ballot.
I have more information on this at uscase.org.
Test 20% should be absentee mail-in folded ballots so that we can determine if any of the folds traverse any of the ovals that could be throwing off votes.
Also, let voters fill out ballots and test those separately.
Publish the test deck reports on the county website.
And the public test at CastVote records, publish those on the website as well.
So we can actually see that you actually understand how to use the reporting system and that you can actually decrypt the CastVote records and the ballot images.
Also for election transparency.
Party balance for absentee, early voting, and election day judges is absolutely essential.
It is unbelievable in states like Minnesota and other states that they don't have party balance.
I wouldn't trust them at all regarding that.
You have to have party balance.
That way we can make sure that we're the inoculation of conspiracy theories Against each other.
So that way we can actually be doing this process together as in a bipartisan way in that we can shake hands at the end to basically say there were no issues.
We also need to make sure that we're retesting the machines ahead of tabulation.
In South Dakota, for example, we test it on the night of election before we actually tabulate the actual votes to make sure that nothing has changed.
Post those retests on the county website.
Zero report should also be published on the county website.
Ballot images and cast vote records should be published on the night of election.
There are areas in Wisconsin that do this.
Election poll book data should be published the night of election as well, so we can start verifying and validating voters.
And we should be doing a post-election audit of 100% of all precincts and races by hand.
Because of the things that we have seen across the United States, unless you're going to hand count, we have to go in and actually review everything.
Because right now, Many of these counties don't even have the laptop to look at the ballot images and cast vote records to see and investigate any of those overvotes, even the undervotes.
Now, candidates and party organizations, we need you to recruit, organize, and train poll workers and election judges.
You need to train them on a partisan on what the laws are, what the rules are, so that they understand what to watch for.
Especially when it comes to chain of custody issues, signatures, folds, and errors.
They need to understand that.
Shame on you for not teaching that in the past.
Absentee ballot boards, we have to have that party balance.
You need to fight for it, especially in Minnesota and other states.
Recruit and organize and train poll workers on the laws, the rules, what to watch for specifically.
The poll watchers, you need to be watching for what's happening inside the room that the election judges can't see.
The backpacks coming in, the extra ballots, the interpretations of how they're looking at the bad ballots, how they're using the thumb drives between unsecured areas and processes.
We also need you to report incidences, and the party and the candidates have to have ready-made affidavit templates ready to go.
We also need to make sure that the candidates and party understand their rights and assemble legal teams.
We need them to validate the voter rolls.
And part of that is candidates, you need to use mailers and postcards with return mail service.
So that way, if somebody is requesting an absentee ballot, but yet you sent them a postcard and it bounced back, you could challenge that absentee ballot.
If that is absolutely incorrect, that's evidence.
You need to do digital and door-to-door canvassing to make sure that those voters are there.
What can voters do?
This is where we need the biggest help.
Number one, there's all these threats going on about our elections and even rumors that the elections may not happen.
No, not on our watch.
We want to make sure that we're helping our election officials.
First, we want to get the cost of the election equipment and maintenance agreements.
Two, we want to review the cost of hand counting within your area.
And we believe hand counting is more efficient at the precinct level.
We want you to attend the public accuracy test so that you understand the election equipment, the way that they're testing it.
Consider being an election judge or worker to make sure that they have enough staff.
Attend the hand count training.
We also have it available online at uscase.org.
Get ballot images and cast vote records to help review the accuracy of the equipment.
Also, you can help your party or candidate also attend those public accuracy tests on their behalf.
Consider being a poll watcher to observe what's going on on election day.
Go out and help register voters.
Validate voter rolls by canvassing voters.
Write letters to the editor on how you are helping protect the election.
That's the biggest message.
We need more people out there talking positively about how we're protecting the election so that people have confidence to vote in this fall election.
Also, when you're helping others to vote, encourage friends and family to vote.
Register others to vote.
Also schedule time for those who are elderly or disabled within your neighborhoods and drive them to the polling place on election day.
And also you yourself should verify that no one voted absentee for you.
Some states don't allow you to change your vote early.
or early on Election Day.
Minnesota, for example, has an 18-day window where they close it down on you.
So, in Minnesota, I would request that you request an absentee ballot and bring it with you, unused, and that way if they say that you voted absentee, you have the evidence there that you did not.
Vote in person, maintain 100% chain of custody.
Don't use the drop boxes.
Don't mail it in.
Don't take the risk.
Also, if you want to help out, the biggest area that you can sign up for all 50 states is Cause of America.
You can visit this website and you can get involved and then they will distribute that contact to all of the other great organizations throughout the United States that can get you connected with a local election integrity group throughout the United States.
As a review, these marks mean everything.
This is the cost of election integrity when we look at the entire United States as filling out the ballots correctly and making sure that we do a good job.
And so as kind of a wrap-up of this part here, we're going to go more in with Gary here, but there's some resources available for you at US Council.
And that's uscase.org.
There's antivirus research there from January 1st, 2022, all the way through 2024.
Most vendors did not update their antivirus before the 2022 election and still have not updated for this election.
Most of our states went into the primaries without an antivirus update.
You can also learn more about ES&S modem security and how to detect modems at uscase.org.
We also have hand count training at uscase.org and also at causeofamerica.org.
And then we also talk about the logic and accuracy test stacks at uscase.org.
And again, make sure you sign up at Cause of America.
And so I know that was a lot for everybody to digest.
Thankfully, this is going to be on the internet so that we can basically share this with everyone.
And you can go back and actually re-review any of these things here.
And so, Gary, if you are still there, What are your thoughts on that?
Anything else that you would add to this list?
No, I think that's a pretty comprehensive list, and I think they probably are going to have enough time to digest that thing.
Right, and so this is some of the things that we're working on in South Dakota, and I really want to thank Jessica Palmea, the Montgomery's, you guys, and so many other great patriots across the state of South Dakota.
It is absolutely amazing.
I'm actually going to be out there doing hand count training.
I know Jessica is going to be out there as well.
You guys have helped a lot to develop the different hand counting strategies and methodologies out there as well.
And so you guys are blessed to have a great leader in Also, I'm going to call her America's Auditor, Leigh Anderson.
She is actually a true professional, a true auditor, and she has dived deep into making sure that her elections are good.
And were you part of the post-election audit that was held in Minnehaha County?
Yes, I was.
Okay, and so you've used U.S.
cases worksheets and then you've used now the state of South Dakota's worksheets that Leah had to design within the spirit of the law.
What were your impressions between the two?
Uh, the ones that the state required us to use were not very user friendly.
And actually Leah did a very wonderful job of revising that to the extent she could to stay within the law.
But it still, uh, was not as smooth as the ones that you provided or that SD canvassing did their training on.
And it did slow down the process.
Um, it, it, uh, it was definitely better than what the state had.
And I know when we first started doing our hand counting to try it out, we found out it was difficult to do with the hash marks.
One of the things that the state's form was, it was very hard on the eyes.
So after you've been doing this a few hours, it got to be very hard to see where you were at.
Leah's form that she designed trying to stay in compliance with the state.
If we could have used The revised form, yes, I think it would have been much easier.
And the other thing that was very difficult was all the paperwork that the state made us do.
I believe Mike, the elections coordinator, he brought a box of papers after this was all over to the commission room, and there must have been four or five reams of paper, and every one of those pieces of paper had to be signed by multiple people saying that they were verifying the counts that they came up with.
greatly increased our time.
Again, trying to stay within the law to make sure that they wouldn't come back and try and throw our results out.
So let me see if this is fair.
Would it be fair that it appears that the hand count method within the state of South Dakota, and if we look at some of the other states, does it appear that they tried to make the hand counting method more difficult so that people would want to use the machines?
Either that, or they just plain didn't put any thought into it and didn't try and make it a smooth operation.
My thought is the latter, is they just decided they didn't want to do it, so they just slapped something together and said, here, use this.
But yeah, it could very well have been intentional.
Now, the other thing, in the way that South Dakota had interpretations of how you had to read the ballots, I'm hearing that you had to think like the machine and not take into account voter intent?
You know, I didn't find that so much on the audit we did in Minnehaha, but yes, that was talked about.
And I know in another county that was very specific.
They had counted a ballot, and when the auditor came over and saw what they were doing, they made them change their count because it had to match the machine.
They told them they had to think like a machine.
So actually, what the voter intended to vote for was not the way the machine counted it.
I don't know.
I don't know if we had any situations like that in Minnehaha County.
I actually could not participate in the actual counting because my wife was on the ballot.
And so they wouldn't allow anybody or their spouses or family members that was on the ballot to actually do the counting.
So I had to be a bystander and try and answer questions from a distance.
Okay, great.
Now, up in McPherson County, I heard that they had to redo their post-election audit, and the auditor got basically a judge's order so that she could force the count to match the machines, correct?
Correct.
And it's somewhat similar down in Lincoln County.
They were forced to make the ballot count match the machines, thus throwing out voter intent.
Okay.
And so when we talk about disability rights, there are many voters that may not want to use a disability machine to cast their ballots because they may feel that they're being singled out.
And so this appears to be an area of miss that maybe disability rights organizations and us as regular voters have to train people better, but also It appears that we're trusting the machines and we're losing kind of the compassion of the spectrum of abilities of voters.
Is that your impression too?
Yeah, it is.
It's, uh, and I'm not sure again, if that's intentional, uh, to make it harder, more difficult, uh, to throw people off.
But I think too, most people want to be treated equally.
Give me a ballot and let me vote.
Don't make me use a disabled machine or Uh, yeah, that one, I've not been involved enough to know the true intent on that, but it's a very expensive venture for counties to have all this equipment in every precinct and then have nobody use it.
And I believe it was Leah Anderson that reported that very few of the express boat machines were used during the primary election.
Is that correct?
That is correct.
Very few.
Out of the, how many precincts?
Out of the 81 precincts.
Yeah, there were very few express vote ballots.
And I was involved in the poll working.
We had none in our precinct.
Wow.
Nobody even inquired about it.
Wow.
And I believe that also happened in two previous races this year as well, where you had a city election and then a runoff election.
That's correct.
That's correct.
Yeah.
Now let's talk about election security.
So we have in your county, ES&S, and it was observed that during the city election, the hardened laptop That was an uncertified laptop, an HP, and we see clearly on the certificate that it's supposed to be a Dell laptop, so that's easy just to not to go any further.
We saw that they were taking a thumb drive from the Hardin laptop to another laptop and then using the data from the first laptop into the second laptop to upload to the Secretary of State's website and then bring it back and forth 12 times.
Yes, it looked like they used the same thumb drive to do that, back and forth.
And yeah, your chain of custody was completely gone.
Yeah, so the chain of custody was gone, and then also you're potentially exposing an older laptop that doesn't have an up-to-date antivirus with new features that this internet-connected laptop may not be able to defend against.
Correct.
Correct.
And they, of course, they tout that these machines are not connected to the internet.
And I guess if you want to get technical with them, you can say, okay, they're not, but the internet is connected to these machines.
Right.
Exactly.
Because we still have to get our results up somehow.
And when you take that thumb drive back and forth, you are in essence, kind of connecting it to the internet indirectly.
Oh, exactly.
And one of the other things is that we also observed that there was the IT department wanting to, on your primary night, we observed that they There was an order of a bunch of Amazon thumb drives that they had in a sealed package, and they wanted to use those on election night.
And we stood strong and we presented to the auditor a list of approved, certified thumb drives that could be used.
And do you remember the expression of the IT department that night?
Yeah, not very favorable.
Not very pleased.
Not very pleased.
And it comes back to our auditor, Leah Anderson.
Yeah, she's doing everything she can to verify these elections and every corner she turns around, it seems like she's being worked against.
Right.
And so I really appreciate her perseverance, her integrity, and her willingness to learn and to try and actually conduct the audits.
There was also a case that she brought up almost a month ago now regarding when she started looking at, from a training perspective, The 2020 election and there was over 24,000 records that don't seem to be correct in the laptop.
And hopefully we'll get more information on that from her in the coming months.
Yes, she was comparing the audit logs from the machines every time they upload a batch to the Secretary of State.
And every time they run a batch through all this, everything that they do on these machines is recorded step by step.
So her and volunteers and whoever else was involved went through these audit logs and put them in a spreadsheet to show how many actually went through the machines.
And we came up with over 24,000 that says the machines counted 24,000 short from what the state said they received in our accounts.
And so the first thing we thought was we were missing one of the machine logs.
But we went and verified that we were not.
And so we were unable to come up with the difference.
Why did the number that was spit out from those machines in the audit logs not match what was sent to the Secretary of State?
Wow.
Yeah, that's incredible.
And that's kind of a big number.
So 24,000 votes out of 93,000 votes in that election, that's kind of a big hill that should be investigated immediately to find out, is there something wrong with the logging process?
Was an unauthorized thumb drive being used at that time?
You know, and I think that's important.
So I think Leah's right to look at the past to make sure that things were on the up and up, but to also Give her instruction as a base point.
Is there anything potentially that she needs to worry about within the machine programming itself, within the thumb drives, or is there a process issue?
And so I really want to give Leah Anderson high marks for investigating this, even though she's getting persuasion threats, People writing her letters, calling her from commissioners, the state's attorney, and even the secretary of state's office basically saying, no, don't cross that line.
And, um, that's pretty interesting because the reality is that when you have a transition of power from one order to another one, Legally, the incoming person should actually validate that they received the totality of all of the materials that they're supposed to be responsible in maintaining.
Now, granted, This is the 2020 election and we're far past the 22 months, but part of that retention was caused by S.D.
Kamenstein or another group that filed a lawsuit to review the cast vote records for the 2020 and the 2022 elections.
And so that's why it was kept well beyond because we're waiting for that court case to kind of resolve itself.
And there is no deadline in South Dakota that says after 22 months you destroy it.
And so it's kind of a state law that basically says the auditor may destroy.
And so it's not a shall.
And so that means that it is assumed that the auditor retains those records, not the commissioners, not the canvassing board, and not anyone else.
And so therefore it is the direction and decision of the auditor to do whatever they may want to do with that.
And I would even encourage auditors that do have older ballots, use that as part of your post-election training.
Um, because you have a known quantity of how the election results were supposed to be, take those precincts in whole and test it.
So that way you can train on real ballots, um, and learn some of the idiosyncrasies, especially with how people.
Um, transition through belts, whether they stick together, whether you need the little thumb, uh, pieces, you know, the little fingertips or even the, uh, uh, slick, uh, pink oil type stuff, the wax, you know, to kind of help that overall process.
Um, and so I just find it ironic that we have government that wants to be efficient as you're talking about starting up, but now we have government that doesn't want them to be efficient and to learn lessons or to be better.
So it seems to be a little bit of a conflict in Minnehaha County.
That they say one thing, but they are evidence based upon doing the other thing and trying to prevent Leah Anderson from trying to learn.
So that's just my impression.
It's rather interesting.
When we started this, we had to file injunctions against our counties so that they didn't throw out these ballots after the 22 months.
And now they are guarding them with their life to keep them locked up and sealed so that we make sure that we will never see them.
And why are they doing that?
So is that what they mean by safe and secure?
Is that what they mean by safe and secure?
They are definitely safe and secure.
They do not want us, they are, like I say, they are guarding them with their life now and using every law they can find to tell Leah that if she tries in any way, shape or form to get them out and count them, she could be charged with some kind of crime.
Yeah, doesn't exist.
So that's going to be interesting.
I really hope we can turn things around.
So one of the things that Leah also did is she had a very vibrant test deck and logic and accuracy test.
No, I was not.
one that she had originally ordered, she found out wasn't sufficient enough.
And so she brought in volunteers to go in and fill out a bunch of ballots so
that there would be unique numbers for candidates within the races.
Were you part of that team as well?
No, I was not.
Okay.
So I heard about it, but no, I was not part of that team.
Yep.
So I was there and also helping out with it.
And there were a lot of great volunteers that came in to help fill out ballots.
It took us a few hours to fill out ballots for every single race, every single candidate, and every single ballot style.
And it was interesting what we learned from that and what we discovered.
We found out that light blue pen marks We're not picked up at the same rate as black ink.
That was something that we did not know.
And so through this process, that's a piece of evidence that we do now know.
And so that's a tip for voters out there in the field is please use a black pen, ballpoint preferably.
Don't use sharpies because we've discovered looking at Wisconsin's ballots that they can actually bleed through.
Another thing that we've discovered in Wyoming's ballots is where the election judges are initially, in the upper right hand corner, is actually a spot on the other side for an oval.
And we've observed the potential that you can have bleed through of election judges now casting votes for a person on the other side of the ballot that they didn't intend.
So these are ballot design issues that I think are important that we have to review across the country because these standards came out in 2005.
They haven't really changed and our systems going into the 2024 fall election have all been tested and certified on that 2005 standard and there were all these warnings and we just don't have the professionalism To make sure that our elections are at the gold standard.
And so this is where I'm really done with the machines as a computer expert, because these auditors, most of them don't know how to use them properly.
And that's sickening.
And so when the state of South Dakota basically turns off the cast vote records and save ballot image feature on our elections in the primary, I'm done.
You know, these were required to be saved.
And when we look at the federal law of 52 U.S.C.
20701, it says that we're supposed to, in a federal election, save all the records.
It's called a cast vote record.
It's a record.
We're supposed to be saving that.
That's the plain language interpretation of law.
And the fact that they don't even want to save it, review it, Just tells me that they're disingenuous and they're not serious about actually using the equipment to its full capabilities.
So in those areas where you're getting resistance, this is the exact reason why we must go back to hand counting.
There's lots of arguments out there and we are just dumbfounded why our elected officials are so dead set against verifying these machines.
Right.
And we've done time trials in South Dakota and other states that a table of four people can do 250 ballots with 11 races and get it done between two and a half and three hours.
You know, and so that's scalable.
And so two people on one side of the table are reviewing the ballots in a bipartisan fashion, a Democrat and a Republican.
And then on the other side of the table, you have two people with tally sheets, a Republican and a Democrat, that basically tally the votes as they're being called out on the other side.
And when you do it in stacks of 25, doing one race at a time, You get a flow, you get it done, and it's pretty easy.
And so it's when you have a precinct of a thousand ballots, that's four tables.
When you have a precinct with 2000 ballots, that's eight tables.
And so if you do it at the precinct level, it's easy to do.
And don't, don't you dare make us use the people that have been there all day long.
You can have fresh people that come in after work, come in and do this.
And in some States, You could even have high school students get a credit for their citizenship or their government class and be able to come in and do this.
We should have fresh eyes, fresh people that would do this.
If you promote this, there's a lot of people that would step up and do that just for their civic duty and just to make sure that everything is done the way it's supposed to, to save our country.
We actually have volunteers in 41 counties in our state.
So that's a lot of people.
In South Dakota.
And just in Minnehaha County alone, in the last 10 years, we have spent $1.2 million paying for these machines.
So that's a lot of money that could be used.
That's a lot of money that could be used to put into hand counting to pay volunteers.
That's right.
And so just the maintenance agreement in Wyoming is the cost of hand counting in most of the counties.
And that doesn't even include the purchase of the machines.
That's how sad this is.
You could keep the money local, and you can actually keep the results, restore trust in our elections.
See more at sdkavansing.com, uscase.org, and Midwest Swamp Watch.
And stay tuned for the Lindell Report for the rest of this week.
And thank you.
Thank you, Mike Lindell.
Thank you, Cause of America.
Thank you, Frank Speech.
Thank you, Gary.
And stay awesome, everyone.
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