Ep. 1875 - UPDATE: Two Mass Shootings, Brown Killer Still On The Loose
A shooting at Brown leaves two people dead, another shooting at a Sydney Hanukkah celebration leaves sixteen people dead, and as always the Left won't condemn the people that cause the bloodshed.
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A shooting at Brown University left two people dead.
A shooting at a Sydney Hanukkah celebration left 16 people dead.
And a stabbing in Los Angeles left a major Hollywood star and his wife dead.
All horrifying, pretty grisly start to the week.
Even more disturbing, however, than the innocent people who were murdered is the fact that our society consistently refuses to confront the guilty people who did and do the murdering.
I'm Michael Knowles.
This is The Michael Knowles Show.
Welcome back to the show.
Charlie Kirk's widow Erica sat down for an interview on CBS with Barry Weiss.
There was one question that was asked.
It wasn't asked by Barry.
It was asked by someone in the audience that was completely revolting.
It was just totally out of line and disgusting.
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Okay, where to start?
A lot of gruesome stuff on Monday.
Happy Monday.
Let's start with the deadliest attack in Sydney, Australia.
This was at a Hanukkah celebration in Sydney.
The gun men, not gunmen, gunmen, targeted the Jews who were celebrating Hanukkah.
They killed 16 people, including a child.
42 people were treated at a hospital, some in critical conditions, so more people might end up dead.
The really relevant piece of this attack, when we're trying to come to political conclusions here, is related to the gun men part.
Namely, it wasn't just one person.
It was two people.
It wasn't just two random people.
It was a father and a son.
Close your eyes.
There's an attack in a Western nation on Jews.
Who did it?
Who did it?
I know you're not supposed to be prejudiced.
I know you're not supposed to ever, ever come to any prejudgments.
Who was it?
You're right.
It turns out that 100% of you, if you're being honest with yourselves, who guess that it was some crazy Muslims, were right.
It was.
It was two Pakistanis.
Sorry, you wouldn't just say crazy Muslims.
You would say crazy Muslim migrants.
And you would be right about that.
It was a father and a son from Pakistan, our strength, more, because that's what diversity is.
It's our strength.
So Australia imported some of our strength in.
They enriched their culture with Pakistani migrants.
And then the father and the son go out and shoot up a group of Jews.
Now, Look, crazy people exist everywhere and in every culture.
The fact that it's a father and a son, I think, shows the qualitative difference between Muslim terror and other kinds of terror.
We'll get to other kinds of terrorism too.
But the qualitative difference here is this sort of thing is sanctioned in Islam.
It's promoted in Islam in a mainstream version of Islam.
Killings of innocent people, spreading the faith by the sword.
This is stuff that is distinctive to Islam that you don't find in Christianity.
Sometimes you see weird aberrations and heresies and freak spin-off cults in Christianity that do bad stuff, but you don't see this kind of widespread mainstreaming.
You don't see father-son terror teams whose acts of terrorism are then celebrated more broadly.
That's the qualitative difference.
That's one of several, but it's a chief reason why it's probably not a wise idea for Western nations to import these people in en masse.
The Prime Minister of Australia has come out.
He said, look, we are going to do everything we can to stop this.
This was obviously horrific.
There might have been some advance warning.
There are reports that there was advance warning from Israeli intelligence.
There were reports that there was advance warning from actually one of the rabbis who was killed asking the prime minister to pay attention to the Muslim problem.
The PM says he's going to do everything he can to stop it.
And here's what he's going to do.
And I want to conclude finally by saying that the government is prepared to take whatever action is necessary.
Included in that is the need for tougher gun laws.
And this afternoon at four o'clock, I will put on the agenda of the National Cabinet.
Tougher gun laws, including limits on the number of guns that can be used or licensed by individuals.
A review of licenses over a period of time.
People's circumstances change.
People can be radicalized over a period of time.
Licenses should not be in perpetuity.
And checks, of course, making sure that those checks and balances are in place as well.
Yeah, that's it.
That's got to be it, right?
Croikey, yeah.
Well, you see he, I can't really do it in an Australian accent.
It quickly becomes a Michael Caine accent, but I'll bear with me anyway.
The guy comes out there.
He goes, Croikey, that's not a knife.
You know, Australia has 11 million gun control laws.
We need 11 million and one.
Australia has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country.
Has some of the strictest gun controls, sorry, in the entire world.
And he says, yeah, we need stricter gun control laws.
Yeah, you know what we need?
We need to take away licenses from people who've already passed the gun control checks to have guns because they can be radicalized over time.
Okay, now we're getting closer.
Radicalized by what?
Radicalized by whom, pray tell.
He won't say.
Two distinctive features of this attack.
The weapon used, sure, and the kind of people who did it.
The kind of people who pretty much always do it.
Not always.
Sometimes it's radical leftists too.
We'll get to that in a moment.
But generally, if you were to say, hey, close your eyes, there was a terror attack in a Western nation.
Who did it?
Close your eyes.
You're right.
You're right.
Hey, there was an attack on Jews.
Not just Jews.
There was an attack on Jews.
There was an attack on a Christmas market.
There was an attack on just random Westerners walking around the street.
Who was it?
Who did it?
You're right.
You're right.
It was the guns.
You're right.
It was the guns that did it.
They jumped up and they started firing off by themselves.
What's so insidious about this is that I suspect the prime minister is not a complete idiot.
So he's a deceiver.
So he's lying.
He's just, he's taking a big shovel.
He's digging a lot of sand out and he's shoving his head right in and he's burying his head in the sand.
That's what he's doing.
I'll do every, now listen here.
I'll do everything.
I'm just going to do Michael Caine, if that's fine, because I can't, I can't do an Australian.
I don't know why I can't.
Listen here.
We're going to do every single thing that's possible to do.
We're going to do everything to stop these attacks in the future, except for the thing that would stop them.
Except for the one thing that's totally relevant to every other than that, we're going to do every other thing.
We're going to have buy one, get one free coupons for dinner at the restaurants.
We're going to, we're going to do climate change.
We're going to touch on every other political issue.
But the one, and it's the one that is, I think, most deeply felt by the people in these countries, Australia and Europe and the UK and America, which is the mass migration of unassimilable cultures that keep attacking us.
Father and son terror squads.
The Methodists don't do that, do they?
The Presbyterians don't tend to do that.
No, it's one group in particular that does that.
So they won't do whatever's necessary.
They'll do everything.
They'll do everything other than the one thing that is necessary to stop it.
So here's a little follow-up to this.
At Amsterdam, Amsterdam Royal Concert Hall, there was a major protest, a Muslim anti-Jewish protest.
I think there was some Hanukkah stuff going on, some Jewish cantors at the Amsterdam Royal Concert Hall.
Then we turned from the Jews to the Christians.
The French have had to cancel their New Year's Eve celebration on the Champs-Élysées.
They're doing this because of who?
Because of who.
Last year, the New Year's Eve celebration in France drew a million people.
And they're still going to have fireworks, but the authorities are urging the Frenchmen to watch the fireworks on TV.
Not go out to the Champs-Élysées.
Don't look at the Arc de Triomphe because why?
Because who's going to attack them?
Is it going to be the Unitarians?
The Amish, perhaps?
No.
It's going to be this one group that Europe and Australia, just the West broadly, has let in.
This one group that's been trying to conquer France since the year of our Lord 732 and has been consistently desiring to overtake France.
And now they're just being invited in for some reason.
And now we can't have Christmas parades.
Now we can't have New Year's celebrations.
Now we can't go out.
Now the Jews can't have their religious services.
And more relevant probably to most of us, you know, we care about the Jews as a matter of justice and neighborliness.
But at a more personal level, now we can't have Christmas markets.
You know why?
Because the Muslims keep shooting them up.
Now we can't have New Year's celebrations.
You know why?
Because the Muslims keep shooting them up.
Because it's basically always the same people.
But you can't say that.
And as a consequence of that, we lose our freedom.
We lose our way of life.
We lose our whole countries.
Because it turns out that people are not just undifferentiated cogs in a machine.
You can't, as the liberal politicians throughout the West have said now for decades, they say, we're going to deal with the problem of declining birth rates among the native populations of our countries.
And we are going to fix the economic problem of unsustainable entitlement programs by importing other kinds of peoples with other cultures, with other religions, with other behaviors.
And then it's all going to be hunky-dory.
And it turns out none of that works.
And what actually happens is rather than saving your country, it hastens its death.
That's what happens.
I had a debate with a French politico.
I won't say who, but I was at a social event with a French politico.
And this French politico said, how come you American conservatives like countries like Hungary so much?
Why do you love Hungary?
And I said, well, because in Hungary, they've taken a stand against mass migration and against cultural transformation, and they've stood up for what they believe in.
And as a result, I am much freer in Hungary than I am in other countries.
They said, what are you talking about?
They said, that Victor Orban, he is authoritarian.
He's not, by the way.
They said, this Victor Orban, he's not liberal.
That's true.
He's not liberal.
He's not liberal.
How can the Hungarians be more free?
I said, I'll tell you why.
Because if I go visit Budapest, if I go visit anywhere in Hungary, I could walk down the street in my birthday suit with three Rolexes on each arm, singing out loud at three o'clock in the morning.
Not one person would harass me.
Not one person would try to rob me.
Not one person, I might be, maybe would be arrested as I should be, but I could be in as vulnerable and precarious a position as possible, even as a foreigner, as a tourist.
No one's going to bother me.
That's freedom.
And this French politician said, no, no, no, no, that's not freedom.
What are you talking about?
That's safety.
That's security, but that's totally different from freedom.
I said, is it really?
I don't think it is.
If I don't have faith in the orderliness of society, if I don't have faith that I can go out without being attacked or murdered or molested, then I can't really be free.
And I certainly won't have the political freedom necessary to carry on my centuries-long traditions.
I can't have my Christmas market.
I can't have my New Year's Eve celebrations.
I can't go to school.
I can't go to church.
I can't do any of the things that constitute the real substance of my freedom.
That would be gone.
There is a simple solution.
When the Australian politician comes out, he says, I'll do whatever is necessary.
There's one thing you could do.
Stop the mass migration, specifically of Muslims and Middle Easterners and South Asians who are unassimilable.
Some are assimilable, but many are not.
Stop the ones who are unassimilable.
Reduce the mass migration.
Cut it off.
That would solve 92% of your problems.
That's the one thing they won't do.
Okay.
Moving from the foreign shooting to the domestic shooting, which is, it was less deadly.
It's somehow even stranger and more troubling because it's closer to home.
But the details are changing by the minute.
We'll get to that in a second.
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There's a shooting at Brown University.
This was a couple of days ago.
It was less deadly than this horrific Hanukkah shooting in Sydney.
But I think it's more disturbing to a lot of people.
One, because it's closer to home, but two, because we don't know almost anything about it.
We were told first that there was a guy who'd been taken into custody and some guy's face was plastered.
It's like a white guy with blonde hair, plastered all over the news.
And then it turned out that wasn't the guy.
It was another guy by the same name.
So then they plastered some other guy's face all over the news.
And he was at least a vaguely, passably looking white guy with brown hair.
They said, this was the guy.
They said he was in the army and he was this and he was that.
And it turns out that's not the guy either.
Turns out Providence Police arrested the wrong guy.
They arrested their chief suspect and the actual perpetrator is still at large.
Shortly, we will be releasing the person of interest who had been detained earlier today.
And the Attorney General can speak a little bit about the rationale for that.
But we want to inform the community that that individual will shortly be released from Providence police.
Come again?
What?
This shooter on campus left two students dead, nine others injured, this Ivy League University.
And what do we know?
We know the first confirmed death was this beautiful young woman, 19 years old, a sophomore, and her name is Ella Cook.
And all we know about her is that she was the vice president of the Republican Club.
Now we're starting to have some serious ideological concerns.
We previously had concerns out of justice, out of charity, out of humanity.
Now we're starting to have ideological concerns.
Brown is as left-wing as it comes.
Even by Ivy League standards, Brown is insanely left-wing.
I don't think they have grades.
I think you can pass fail your whole time at Brown.
It's super lib.
You have one of the only prominent Republicans on campus is the first confirmed death.
Was this a targeted shooting?
Some of the reporting says that it is, but obviously the details are very, very unclear.
They don't even know who the guy is yet.
This is three months almost to the day after Charlie Kirk, the most prominent campus conservative speaker in the country, was murdered on campus by a radical leftist.
So we don't know.
I don't want to jump to conclusions here.
However, based on the evidence that we have, the only evidence that we have, if there were an ideological motive, it would be from the left.
I'm not saying there is an ideological motive.
If there were, the only thing we know for certain about this shooting is that it would have come from the left.
That would also fit a pattern.
Prominent political voice on campus, attacked, killed, molested, harassed.
Who did it?
Close your eyes.
You don't know any other facts.
Who did it?
You're right.
You know, Russell Kirk, one of the great conservative thinkers of the 20th century, Russell Kirk defended prejudice.
And this was in the tradition of Edmund Burke, who is in many ways the founder of modern conservatism, writing during the French and American revolutions, Irish-English parliamentarian.
And Edmund Burke defended prejudice.
Prejudice, not as an irrational animus, as a way to be a bigot or something like that, but prejudice as just the prejudgments that we all have.
You got to kind of trust your gut sometimes because you don't have time to think everything out.
Your prejudice is right most of the time.
That's why we have it because we're not perfectly rational creatures and we just don't have time to write essays on everything and conduct studies before we have our breakfast.
And it's just the case that everyone knows that when there's a major terror attack somewhere around the world in a Western nation, a Muslim did it.
And it's just the case that when there's an ideological attack in America, the left did it.
Pretty much all the time.
And by the way, this is backed up by social scientific data because we know after Charlie's killing, there were multiple surveys about political violence and the left consistently and dramatically was much more likely to justify political violence than the right.
Chris Murphy, Democrat senator from Connecticut comes out, goes on CNN, immediately, without knowing anything about this case, and apparently without knowing anything about similar cases, comes out and says that the shooting at Brown, in which we know the first confirmed victim was the vice president of the Republican Club, it's actually Trump's fault.
Not shocking because over the last year, President Trump has been engaged in a dizzying campaign to increase violence in this country.
He is restoring gun rights to felons and people who have lost their ability to buy guns.
He eliminated the White House offers of gun violence protection, and he has stopped funding mental health grants and community anti-gun violence grants that Republicans and Democrats supported in that 2022 bill.
So he has been engaged in a pretty deliberate campaign to try to make violence more likely in this country.
And I think you're unfortunately going to see the results of that on the streets of America.
Chris Murphy is particularly bad.
He is one of the most nauseating politicians in the country.
He's like human vomit, if I had to be really blunt about it.
He's just everything about him and his political persona is just disgusting and cynical and wrong and unseemly and unmanly.
And just every, he's this guy who, you know, he films himself doing these selfies, tie all askew.
He says, guys, today was a really effing hard day.
You know, he's just, he's just disreputable in basically every way.
And this is a new low for him, I would say.
He comes out after this campus shooting where nothing is known other than a Republican student was murdered.
And he says, yeah, it was Trump's fault.
The political violence is Trump's fault.
President Trump, who had part of his ear blown off by a left-wing assassin, who one of whose supporters, Corey Comperator, was killed in front of his wife and kids at a Trump rally by the left-wing assassin.
After Trump was then nearly assassinated again by another left-wing assassin, would-be assassin, then after Charlie Kirk is murdered by a deranged left-wing assassin who's apparently into trans-furry LGBT people.
This after deranged leftists have tried to kill other conservatives on campus, seriously injured people along the way.
This after leftists burned the country down during BLM.
This after leftists came out and said of their own volition that they are much more likely to support political violence than the right.
This disgusting person comes on TV after this shooting.
He says, yeah, it's Trump's fault.
There's no arguing with that.
How do you argue with a guy like that?
A man who is impervious to facts and who knows one thing, that he will oppose Trump and the majority of Americans who voted for him at all costs, blame everything on him without any evidence whatsoever.
What do you do when a guy's first reaction to a shooting of kids at a school is to say, well, it's Trump's fault.
In the face of all evidence to the contrary, it's Trump's fault.
What do you do with a person like that?
What do you have in common with that person?
How does the center hold?
I really don't know.
Speaking of Charlie, Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, went on Barry Weiss's show on CBS News.
And she was asked a question that also really, really a lot to get our blood up on this Monday.
Asked a question that I thought was so totally out of line, so totally missed the point.
We'll get to that momentarily.
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So Erica has to go through this ringer because Erica is not only the widow of Charlie Kirk.
And look, Charlie was a very public person who has been running for president since he was like two years old.
Okay.
He had a public career.
He was the most important political organizer on the right.
Period.
Full stop.
And so if you're going to marry Charlie, you're going to be in public life too.
And Erica did that, and she's done very well at that.
Then after Charlie was killed, Erica said, okay, I guess I'm the only unifying figure to take over the mantle of TPUSA.
Okay, that requires one to go out publicly.
And then Charlie had a book coming out because Charlie was doing the job of like five men at any given time.
And so he had a book that was coming out.
Who's going to step in for the book tour?
Who's it going to be?
Who's the person closest to Charlie?
It's his wife.
So Charlie's, Erica rather, is going out doing the book tour.
Unbelievable strength.
Unbelievable to have to do this while you've got, you're grieving your husband.
You're trying to keep it together for your young kids.
It's unbelievable.
Superhuman.
She goes out.
She does this interview with Barry Weiss, who is, you know, she's on the left, but she's more amenable to people on the right.
And she's taken over at CBS News.
And the question didn't come from Barry exactly.
Barry set up a question from someone in the audience that I found repellent.
Erica, as you know, the last person that Charlie ever spoke to was a Utah Valley student named Hunter Kozak.
He was asking Charlie a question that day when he was shot.
And he's here tonight and he wants to ask you a question.
Hi there.
Erica, I want to tell you how much I appreciate your calls for peace and unity.
And I'm likewise horrified by the people in my so-called campaign.
You can feel the cheering coming.
You can feel that.
But, however, believe that they stoke the flames of violence.
Uh-huh.
Get to it.
Get to that.
But even worse is when powerful, influential people on either side of the aisle stoke the flames.
When they do it, the flames can become an inferno.
And this leads me to Donald Trump, the most powerful Earth who has more responsibility than anyone else to put the flames out.
Just last month, President Trump called on six Democratic lawmakers to be tried for sedition, which he clarified was punishable by death.
But any good faith effort to stop political violence must hold both parties to the same standard and expectation.
So in that spirit, will you condemn the violent rhetoric of Donald Trump, the most powerful and influential person on earth?
Revolting.
Everyone involved in setting up this question should be ashamed of themselves.
And this kid should be ashamed of himself.
Kid, whatever.
I guess he's a grown man.
Disgusting.
Hey, Erica.
Hey, Erica.
Sorry about your husband getting murdered by someone on my side.
Hey, Erica, sorry that one of my ideological comrades murdered your husband and left your little kids without a dad.
Sorry about that.
But will you disavow one of your husband's close friends?
Who one of my ideological comrades also nearly murdered over the summer?
Hey, can you disavow your husband's really good friend, one of the men he looked up to, one of the men that he ultimately, I suppose, gave his life helping to get elected?
Can you just talk about how evil he is for no reason in the face of all evidence?
Would you mind doing that?
By the way, sorry for your kids.
Shut your good grief, man.
Good grief.
Takes a lot to get my blood up.
I'm real.
I'm real low drama.
You know, I keep a pretty, pretty low heart rate.
Disgusting.
That guy should be ashamed of himself.
What a revolting question from him.
The premises are all off.
No one has a greater responsibility to bring down the temperature than Donald Trump.
I'm not sure.
I think the people who have to bring down the temperature are the ones who are committing all the violence, which is the left.
And the ones who are excusing all the violence, which is the left.
And the ones who are justifying all the violence and celebrating all the violence, which is the left.
All right, let's try to blow Trump's head off.
Shoot.
Oh, we're going to miss.
We're just going to blow off part of his ear.
Nearly had his brains splashed on the stage in front of the entire nation.
Hey, Mr. Trump, can you please be responsible and bring down the temperature?
Hey, sorry that your head's bleeding.
Can you please bring down the temperature?
We on the left demand that you bring down the temperature.
Do you now?
Do you?
That's really interesting.
Thank you for your thoughts.
Thank you for offering your thoughts.
Revolting.
No one has a greater response.
I think the people with the responsibility to bring the temperature down are the ones who are committing and defending all the violence, which is the left.
It's exclusively the left.
How about you bring the temperature down?
And what was the point that he was trying to make that Trump said that these Democrats should be tried?
So he's using hyperbolic language.
He's saying they should be tried for treason.
That's not the same as vigilante violence.
He's saying these people should be prosecuted for committing crimes, even capital offenses.
That's saying we need the justice system to work.
We need the civil authority to work.
We need to operate within a normal political order.
That is actually the opposite of what the left is doing.
That's the opposite of calling for political vigilante violence, which maybe this kid just doesn't understand.
Maybe he's just not the brightest bulb in the box.
Or maybe he does understand it and he's cynically conflating two not only different but opposite things.
In any case, to try to score some very cheap, cynical, disgusting political point and extend your 15 minutes of fame to 16 minutes by haranguing and prodding the widow of Charlie Kirk, the mother of Charlie Kirk's kids who aren't going to grow up without a father, revolting.
Everyone involved in that should be ashamed of themselves.
Now, speaking of how the right reacts to political violence, a good example.
Really, really sad story.
Rob Reiner.
You know, Rob Reiner?
Rob Reiner, very famous director, did a ton of movies, a few good men, Spinal Tap.
He's probably most famous because he played Meathead in All in the Family, you know, all in the family, like Archie Bunker, Archie Bunker, who for the younger kids in the audience, Archie Bunker was the first version of Cartman, you know, this kind of curmudgeonly right-wing, seemingly somewhat bigoted but lovable character.
Rob Reiner played the liberal son-in-law.
That's how he became really famous.
His dad was Carl Reiner, very, very famous Hollywood figure, Hollywood comedian.
Anyway, Rob and his wife, 78 and 68 years old, respectively, were found dead, stabbed to death.
I guess their throats were slit in their home.
And the story gets even worse because it turns out that the guy who did it, according to People magazine, was allegedly their own son, their son who suffered from, well, suffered from and participated in and caused many of his own problems, but a lot of drug addiction, a lot of irresponsible behavior.
So one difference here is when Charlie Kirk was murdered, much of the left at every level from elected office down to that girl you went to high school with, much of the left celebrated it.
Some of your coworkers celebrated it.
Many people on the left excused it.
People on TV, on MSNBC, the Democrat analysts go on and they say, well, you know, this is what happens.
That's what happens.
Charlie spoke.
That was it.
He shouldn't have spoken the way he did.
He kind of had it coming.
So they defended it.
Not one person on the right is happy about Rob Reiner being killed.
In fact, everything that you're seeing on social media public statements is how sad they are.
And to Rob Reiner's credit, Rob Reiner was a huge lib, no doubt about it.
But he was very different from many people on his side of the aisle and in his party, because after Charlie was murdered, this is what Rob Reiner came out to say on Pierce Morgan's show.
When you first heard about the murder of Charlie Kirk, what was your immediate gut reaction to it?
Well, horror, absolute horror.
And I unfortunately saw the video of it, and it's beyond belief what happened to him.
And that should never happen to anybody.
I don't care what your political beliefs are.
That's not acceptable.
That's not a solution to solving problems.
And I felt like what his wife said at the service at the memorial they had was exactly right.
And totally, I believe, you know, I'm Jewish, but I believe in the teachings of Jesus and I believe in doing to others and I believe in forgiveness.
And what she said to me was beautiful.
Okay, so really nice statement.
You know, he was very much on the political left and Trump drove him completely crazy.
But you see this hint of normality to him.
You see this hint of, you know, kind of normal humanity.
I even love that line.
He goes, I'm Jewish, but I believe in the teachings of Jesus.
You say, like, I've heard this before and I say, or, you know, I'm agnostic or I'm not religious or I'm, you know, some other religion, but I believe in the teachings of Jesus.
And I say, yeah, keep going.
Yeah.
Yeah, right.
The teachings of Jesus are very attractive.
Keep going.
That's great.
You know, you're really kind of rooting for the guy.
And you can see this humanity bubbling over.
And even more than in that video talking about Charlie, which was really refreshing as much of the left was celebrating or excusing it.
You had this video.
This video is now going around, which is Rob Reiner talked about a movie that he did with his son, his son who reportedly, allegedly murdered Rob Reiner and his wife, the boy's mother.
This movie, Being Charlie, about drug addiction.
And you just see this guy's love for his son pouring out in the interview.
We didn't bond a lot as a kid.
Like he really likes baseball.
I like basketball.
And he go watch that with my brother, but baseball.
But I just, when I saw him do that, and it was something that I'm interested in, I was like, wow, like he really knows a lot.
And like, it made me feel closer to him and be like, yeah.
You're like, wow, my dad's Rob Reiner.
I never had thought about it.
And then it didn't cross your mind, right?
Never.
Never.
Never watched a few good men.
You didn't see that one.
No.
But it's interesting that Nick would talk about it in that way because, yeah, we did share that experience.
But, you know, even though I've had a lot of experience making movies, you know, and I said this to him many, many times, that he was the heart and soul of the film.
So when it came to making the film deeper and better, I would have to really defer to him.
I mean, even though I have had all this experience in making films, the core of this film, I really had to look to him.
I relied on him.
Oh, man, it just breaks your heart because you see this.
If you've been a dad, if you've ever been a son, maybe you can see this father really longing to build up his kid.
This kid who, by all accounts, was just a complete degenerate, a ne'er-do-well, who just was in rehab zillions of times, even as a teenager and then later on.
And, you know, he's sitting there.
I've known a lot of kids of rich guys and a lot of kids of famous guys.
And, you know, sometimes they turn out all right, but sometimes they don't.
And sometimes there's all this baggage that goes with it.
And sometimes they're just bad kids, you know.
And you see this, you see Rob Reiner here, who's a great filmmaker.
And he's saying, no, but really, it was my son who was the secret to this movie.
He did a great job.
And you know, he didn't.
You know, it was Rob Reiner.
It was the great Rob Reiner who made the movie.
But he's just doing everything he can to give credit to his son and build his son up.
And according to reports, obviously it didn't work out very well in the end.
And so anyway, what's the political takeaway from this story?
What's the public takeaway?
What lesson can we learn about our lives and about how human beings work in the world from this personal tragedy?
This is not a tabloid show.
There are plenty of tabloid shows, podcasts, TV shows that exist just to gossip and talk about all sorts of prurient, scintillating things.
That's not what we do.
So what lesson can we take away for our lives?
A very important lesson that a lot of people don't want to believe, especially in our modern liberal culture, is that sometimes you just get a bad kid.
We don't want to believe that.
We live in the shadow of the Enlightenment, which tells us that all human beings are born as a tablo rasa.
They're blank slates.
And all that comes to us, you know, is a consequence of our individual choices and maybe some circumstances that happened to us.
We deny original sin.
Frankly, much of the modern post-Enlightenment project is just a denial of original sin.
And so everything has to be daddy's fault or mommy's fault or society's fault or the system man or whatever.
And it can never be the case that sometimes you just get a bad kid.
Rob Reiner and his wife had multiple kids.
They had three kids together.
One of them turned out really bad, according to reports.
Again, maybe the reports are totally wrong, but according to the information we have, one of them turned out really bad.
That happens.
And this actually ties in with the other stories we've been talking about.
Sometimes people are just born with a lot of problems.
And sometimes you have to protect yourself and society from those problems.
Sometimes cultures develop with lots of problems, lots of bad proclivities, that are not going to just go away with the magic wand of liberalism.
They're not going to just go away with the magical tin can.
You have people in Somalia and they're basically all pirates and they don't build anything and the whole country is just run on fraud.
And then you put them in this magical tin can and you fly them from Somalia to America.
And then magically they become great American citizens as American as apple pie, ready to go invent the next Model T.
That doesn't happen.
The tin can doesn't work that way.
And we have to recognize those differences.
We have to recognize that sometimes we have to protect innocent people from people who through personal weakness or through bad decisions or through vice or through bad luck just are a threat to them.
And we forget that as a culture.
It's one of the real lies of modern liberalism, which is ultimately Pelagian.
You know, it says that we're all capable of saving ourselves.
And we just on the right, you hear this with the pull yourself up by your bootstraps kind of rhetoric.
On the left, you hear this through the self-actualization rhetoric, the idea that we can be whatever we want, even the opposite sex.
But what all of that denies is that we're born with certain things, certain problems, one big problem in particular, which is original sin.
And the denial of that has led to, I think, the corrosion of so much, our understanding of national sovereignty, our role vis-a-vis other nations, the total corruption of our justice system, the failures of our policing.
It all comes from these problems.
And you see them expressed in these hideous, horrifying personal accounts.
Okay.
You thought that all of that was the most disturbing stuff you're going to hear today.
How about a member of the House of Lords in the UK advocating for pregnant women to kill themselves?
Because we're going to get to that.
Is there even like any slightly happy story today?
There is one.
Okay.
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My favorite comment yesterday is from Christopher Costello696, who says, the devil's always proud of his work.
So true.
This in response to Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's accused killer, who was smiling.
He was smirking in court.
didn't seem to show any repentance on the one hand or innocence on the other.
He wasn't there saying, I'm innocent.
I'm innocent, please.
You've got it all wrong.
He wasn't saying that because he did it.
Nor was he saying, I'm sorry.
I didn't mean it was some moment of madness.
I'm sorry.
I throw myself on the mercy of the court.
No, he wasn't doing that either.
He was sitting there smirking.
And Jack Pisovic pointed out, you see what kind of tie Tyler Robinson was wearing?
I don't think we have a picture of it.
Baby blue and pastel pink, who is the colors of the trans flag.
Smirk in there.
Yep.
Devil is always proud of his work.
I agree.
Okay, Lord Charlie Falconer, who is a life peer in the UK.
So he's not one of these real aristocrats who, you know, he descends from the ninth century or something.
Maybe post-Battle of Hastings.
I don't know.
He's not one of these medieval Renaissance kind of aristocrats.
But he is a member of the House of Lords.
He was made a life peer in the House of Lords.
And here is what Charlie Falconer had to say about assisted suicide.
Not only does he argue that the United Kingdom should encourage people to kill themselves when they're in pain, when they're suffering, when they're in despair, but furthermore, he says, even if a woman is pregnant, there's no reason for that minor inconvenience of a baby, an innocent little baby growing inside her.
That's no reason not to let the woman kill herself.
There is a big issue here.
Other states around the world who have had a sister dying for some time, we have differences of view.
In Oregon, since 1997, there is a requirement to keep the mother alive as long as possible, particularly when there is a viable fetus.
In the Netherlands, takes a completely different view, and that is one of feticides, where the fetus has to be terminated by one means or another, often by intercardial injection of potassium chloride, before the mother can be euthanized.
Which end of the scale does the noble and learned lord prefer these things?
Because we are in a situation where the royal colleges are against this whole system.
And we will be relying on them to fill in the gaps of this legislation.
I think it is incumbent upon us to fill those gaps in for them because they're not keen on this.
And the noble lord puts it accurately, some countries have taken one view and other countries have taken another.
It's clear from the choice that I am supporting that we take the view that pregnancy should not be a bar to it.
So really well-asked question.
And then Lord Falconer comes out and he says, we are taking our view that, of course, if a pregnant woman wants to kill herself, we should give her all the encouragement in the world.
Forget about that little innocent baby growing inside her.
Forget about, no.
And in fairness, why not?
You find it ghastly.
I find it ghastly.
Anybody with an even slightly functioning moral core would find it ghastly that the political leadership, the supposedly elite political leadership, the House of Lords, which for quite some time now has not really functioned as a true House of Lords because it's been democratized.
But the House of Lords would come out and endorse something like this.
Yes, of course we should encourage people to kill themselves.
If they're having a bad day, they have a case of the sniffles.
Or if they're just a little too poor, we should have them kill themselves, of course.
And then we don't have to worry about them anymore.
They're creating all these problems for us.
Go, let them all, don't let them eat cake, let them eat poison.
And then they can drop dead and we don't have to think about them anymore.
That alone is quite ghastly.
But then down on top of that, yes, these young, disparate, pregnant women, let them kill theirselves and the disgusting little offspring too.
Those little vermin will only create problems for us.
Let them all die.
And then we can eat cake.
We find that very, very ghastly.
If you have any, if you're not a complete sociopath by nurture or nature, then you find that horrifying.
And yet, I don't know.
We defend murdering babies on the basis of nothing other than the whims and caprices of the mother.
So I don't see why the pregnancy part is a problem.
And we defend a view of human nature, which says that the most important thing is to be fully autonomous, to be our own gods, to self-actualize.
And so if we really own ourselves, if we really are our own gods within our own spheres, then why can't we kill ourselves?
You can already kill your kid.
You're already in control of every single thing about your life.
You're already said to own your life.
So why can't you kill yourself if you're pregnant?
This is the inner logic of liberalism.
That's the inner logic.
And now you're just seeing a working out of that inner logic.
And the fact that you find it so revolting, I think is something you should trust.
You should, generally speaking, trust your prejudices.
You should subject your prejudices to reason now and then when you have a moment, because sometimes our prejudices are wrong.
We have original sin after all.
You know, this is a fallen world.
We sometimes get things wrong.
However, the wisdom of the ages, tradition, is pretty reliable.
And so when someone says to you, hey, what do you think?
We have this really good idea.
What if we flood your Christian country with a ton of bloodthirsty Muslims?
Do you think that's a good idea?
And you say in the back of your head, you say, well, that seems like kind of a bad idea.
But I mean, I don't know.
I don't, I mean, I don't, I haven't written a scientific paper about it, you know, and I certainly don't want to seem like a racist or an Islamophobe.
So yeah, bring them in.
When you deny your gut instincts, when you deny the wisdom of the ages, when you deny the wisdom of repugnance and prejudice, usually it messes you up.
Likewise, you say, hey, what do you think if we encourage poor, desperate women who are pregnant to murder themselves and their innocent children, you know, just to commit suicide?
And we'll have the government encourage it and in some cases even pay for it.
What do you think about that?
Say, well, you know, that seems pretty bad, doesn't it?
Seems like maybe the most evil thing I've ever heard of in my whole life.
But, I mean, I don't, I'm not a scientist.
I don't have a lab code.
I'm certainly not in the House of Lords.
So I don't want to seem like I'm prejudiced or anything or bigoted or maybe you should.
Maybe you should, because you don't have a lot of time.
We can't all obtain all of the scientific training and credentials and everything.
We can't.
Our stocks of reason are relatively small.
So that's all.
We either have that to go on, the wisdom of the ages, just prejudice, tradition, things that have worked in the past, or we have nothing to go on.
Or there's no alternative.
Or we have nothing else to go on.
And when we go on nothing else, very bad stuff fills the gap.
Actually, you know what fills the gap?
Is hordes of people who want to kill us and who have already succeeded at destroying our political traditions and our social order and suicide.
But I guess those are really ultimately the same thing.
Today's Music Monday, the rest of the show.
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I promised.
I don't want to be a liar.
The conservative candidate beat the communist candidate in Chile.
That's a slight, that's not a minor one.
It's not, maybe it's not top of your list.
But yes, the right-wing candidate, Jose Antonio Cast, beat the communist candidate, Jeanette Hara, in Chile.
We'll get to more of that story tomorrow.
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Oh, this is an illusion.
An echo of a voice that has died.
And soon that echo will cease.
They say that Merlin is mad.
They say he was a king in David.
The son of a princess of lost Atlantis.
They say the future and the past are known to him.
That the fire and the wind tell him their secrets.
That the magic of the hillfolk and druids come forth at his easy command.
They say he slew hundreds.
Hundreds, do you hear?
That the world burned and trembled at his wrath.
The Merlin died long before you and I were born.
Merlin Emirus has returned to the land of the living.
Fortigen is gone.
Rome is gone.
The Saxon is here.
Saxon Hengist has assembled the greatest war host ever seen in the island of the mighty.
And before the summer is through, he means to take the throne.
And he will have it.
If we are too busy squabbling amongst ourselves to take up arms against him, here is your hope.
A king will arise to hold all Britain in his hand.
A high king who will be the wonder of the world.
You to a future of peace.
There'll be no peace in these lands till we are all dust.
Men of the island of the mighty, you stand together.
You stand as Britons.
You stand as one.
Great darkness is falling upon this land.
These brothers are our only hope to stand against it.