#700 Batteries just blown up by itself. Try not to drive them to reduce risks. Simple. w/Aaron Thorpe (unocked)
TODAY: Aaron Thorpe of the Trillbillies joins us to talk sci-fi art, alleged acts of anti-Tesla terrorism, and Minion Death Cult being cancelled for liberalism (supporting unions) We start off with a brief review of Mickey 17 and our mutual childhood love of art and how our nostalgia is Good vs the fascistic nostalgia going around right now THEN: We explore the curious nature of a failing, overpriced car brand with thousands of unsold vehicles with manufacturing defects being suddenly "attacked" by anti-Elon protestors and whether anyone might stand to benefit from these liabilities being written-off as insurance claims. FINALLY: We address the accusations of "liberal bullshit ideology" directed at us via an anti-capitalist facebook page after an old MDC post about organizing your workplace goes viral. Sign up at http://patreon.com/miniondeathcult for $5/month and get 2 bonus episodes a week Listen to Close Other Tabs w/Ani and Alex on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Podcast Addict, or wherever you get podcasts
We were going to go see the new Looney Tunes movie in theaters.
I've heard it's awesome.
I heard such good things about it too, but then I found out that they did not hire Billy West to do the voice of Elmer Fudd or Bugs Bunny in the movie, so we are boycotting it.
That's wild.
I didn't know that.
Because he's still around, right?
He's still around, but to be serious, I think the movie doesn't even have Bugs Bunny in it.
Oh, really?
It's Daffy Duck, right?
It's Daffy and Porky, I think.
I think Billy West is just too strong of an advocate for vocal actors and for performers' rights and stuff like that.
It's dangerous to have him on set.
It could cost you slightly more in wages in the long run.
Yeah. I saw Mickey 17 yesterday.
Yeah. You see it yet?
Yeah. It's cool.
It's fun.
We liked it.
I don't know.
It's getting bad reviews, but we thought it was great.
Yeah, I thought it was great.
I really enjoyed it.
Yeah. I thought it was super fun.
I like the whole...
It's cool.
I mean, the whole seeing him kind of get to play two people was fun.
The whole aliens were fun and cute.
Yeah, I liked the setup.
I liked the message.
It's like, oh, a goofy movie with a heavy-handed political message.
Yeah, welcome to Bong Joon-ho.
That's what...
Yeah. I didn't like Okja.
That's a Bong Joon-ho movie that I don't like.
Okja sucked.
This was more in the Snowpiercer, Okja vein of political satire, but science fiction.
Well, I guess Snowpiercer is science fiction too, but like...
It's like, Snowpiercer's like dystopian.
It's science fiction.
It's like dystopian science fiction.
Yo, my bad, it took me so long to come on.
My computer is being really silly right now.
I don't know what's going on.
You're more prompt today than Tony was yesterday, so don't worry about it.
Yeah, yeah, don't worry.
It's what we do.
Just so you know, we have been repeating the words dystopian science fiction over and over again.
I just heard, as soon as I came in, as you said, it summoned me.
I was like, that is my whole bag, yo.
It's good to see you guys again, Alexander and Tony.
Good to see you.
Yeah, good to see you too, man.
Yeah, we were talking about Mickey 17. Oh, shit.
I gotta watch that, dude.
You haven't seen it yet?
Nah, man.
I haven't seen it.
Yeah, I gotta leave my house and check out Mickey 17, man.
Yeah, it's good.
It's fun.
It'll be a nice reprieve for you.
I don't know.
It's got elements of Nausicaa in there.
It's cool.
I don't know.
It's Bong Joon-ho.
Have you seen a lot of his movies?
I saw.
He did Snowpiercer.
He also did Parasite.
I was about to say, man, I don't want to fuck up the wrong Korean dude.
I was like, I just re-watched Parasite.
It's the same, but it's definitely more in the Snowpiercer, kind of wacky, heightened.
Slapstick dystopia type shit.
It's like satirical.
Yeah, it's really satirical.
It's like the villain or the bad guy is an obvious Musk or Trump stand-in.
An amalgamation.
It's a little silly, but the concept is great and it makes sense and the action is fun and Robert Pattinson's fun in it.
I like the animals.
There's a cool alien species that they're trying to genocide.
Uh, that looks like a giant water bear woolly mammoth.
Yeah, don't they look like, um, God, man, what do they call them, dude?
I forget what they call them, but they're like, um, they're like these extremophiles, I think.
And they really do look like most...
The tardigrade, tardigrades.
Yes, tardigrades.
The water bear, yeah, that's also what they're called.
Exactly, you did say that, the water bear, yeah.
They're cute.
But they have like shaggy woolly mammoth and they have like a little nose and stuff.
Let me ride one of those shits, man.
I'd ride one of those.
Absolutely. Conservative humor gone awry is going to fascist-phonia today.
So stay tuned.
We're going to take a few pictures of the desert and how their policies are actually messing it up.
It's not beautiful when you go across that border.
But stay tuned, guys.
We'll show you exactly what it looks like when you're in the middle of the desert.
All their environmental stuff.
I'm Alexander Edward.
And I'm Tony Boswell.
And we are Minion Death Cult.
The world is ending.
False flag Tesla explosions are responsible, and we're documenting it.
What's up, everybody?
Thank you for joining the show today.
Thank you for supporting us.
It's your midweek episode of Minion Death Cult.
Thank you to Aaron Thorpe for joining us on the show today.
Welcome back, Aaron.
Thank you for having me on, guys.
It's always good to be on with y'all.
Yeah, author, poster, lover of sci-fi artwork like myself.
Just so much in common with this dude.
Always a great time to have you on.
I love all the artwork you repost.
Yeah, it's so good.
Yeah, thanks a lot, man.
It's kind of, I've always, I mean, obviously been into science fiction, but also used to, I used to be in art too, man.
I used to be an illustrator and use different mediums and kind of styles and stuff.
This is an excuse instead of me working on a science fiction short story collection or novel.
I'm just like, I'm going to get inspired by the art and never write anything, but at least people can enjoy the art, you know?
You just do all that.
You look at the image and then you do the writing in your mind, man.
Exactly, man.
When I'm stoned, I'm just like, that would be a cool idea.
And then I file it in my Google Keeps app and then maybe when I'm stoned one night, I look it up and I'm like, oh shit, let me start this and not finish it.
Nah, it's good to be back, yo.
It's nice watching you post because there's been several times Where you post something, and I'm like, that's that image I saw five years ago that I'm thinking about.
I don't know what it is, and here's my answer.
It's been so good for exactly that.
A lot of people will say to me that this is a book that they had read when they were in high school or something like that.
Because I feel like, and people have talked about this, I feel like if you compare, for example, I'm trying to think of maybe Ursula K. Le Guin's The heinous cycle novels like The Dispossessed and I think Left Hand of Darkness.
There's a lot of cool art.
There are a lot of cool cover art pieces from those novels like this artist Alex Abel.
But now when you look at the covers for the recently published editions from maybe the past 10-15 years it's almost like what they call God, what do they call it?
They call it something corporate.
I forget.
It's like, it's called something corporate.
I forget the exact title, but it is very kind of flat and very two-dimensional.
And it almost looks like you're looking at a brochure for a health insurance company.
You know what I mean?
And it's just not.
So it's like, it's very, it's very, it's nice when people are like, oh, I remember this.
And it just kind of brought back all these nostalgic feelings, you know.
Art is nice.
Art is nice.
Yeah. When they redo, I don't know.
I'm not a big fan of when they redo editions and do a minimalist version of the artwork or a deconstructed version of the art.
That's cool for a poster.
For the actual book, I want a dragon on this thing.
I want an alien monolith on this thing.
That's what I want to be looking at.
I want to steal a dragon with a guy firing at it with a machine gun.
That's what I want.
I'm not going to wear a t-shirt with the silhouette of a sword or something.
Yeah, exactly.
It's so annoying because all that is just because...
They realize they can save money on only printing three colors.
That's the only reason those whack book covers exist.
That's it.
That actually makes a lot of sense too, man.
I know the audience can't see this, but I have Omni magazine covers that are insane that somebody sent me on Twitter.
They sent me like...
12 copies of this that are from 1970 to 1980-something.
These are very in range if you go on eBay, but I just love flipping through them from the art, man.
We need to bring that back, man.
That's why AI is a death knell of creativity and artistry.
Yeah, it's funny because all that shit, all that 70s stuff that you're talking about, just huge books of artwork.
Those aren't digitized anyway.
AI isn't even able to pull from that shit anyway.
We're just stuck with human imagination, folks.
That's what we got.
We might as well use it.
They weren't able to until somebody decided to make their Twitter feed.
It just...
I'm doing that again.
Wow. No, I loved the artwork books growing up.
I had the Star Wars Essential Guides to Ships and things like that and Essential Guides to Alien Species and I love looking at the diagram and trying to draw.
I want to draw this wolf alien or I want to draw this TIE fighter or whatever.
Love that stuff.
I know exactly what you're talking about, man.
I don't want to run in too long because I could talk about this shit all day, but Wayne Barlow, actually, he's known for doing these Extraterrestrial, I guess it's called speculative evolution, you know?
Yeah. How, you know, animals and organisms would look like, you know, into the far future on Earth, or how alien species would look.
And I just remember as a kid, and he also did a lot of dinosaur illustrations in the 90s.
I have, Ani got me his guide to extraterrestrials.
Yes, that's the one I'm talking about, dude.
I remember flipping through that as a kid where, you know, I would like, it was in the 90s, where I was sitting in the shaft of a sunbeam on this carpeted floor in the library, you know, and just flipping through it until my dad came and picked me up instead of doing homework.
And, um, I don't know, that's what I'm, that's, you know, I mean, nostalgia can be, uh, can be very whitewashed and insidious, but, um, I don't know.
I like art, man, you know, so.
Art's good.
Art is good.
Art is good.
Most of, most of, like, the nostalgic fascism, I think, comes from, uh, like, Commercial advertisements.
I think we're safe looking at actual art.
I think we're fine.
Start off this episode as we know supposed acts of terrorism and vandalism and just scary acts of violence against Tesla dealerships, people are leaving mean notes on Tesla drivers' cars.
I just saw Larry Elder post about a note his friend got on his car that was like a pre-printed anti-Tesla fake ticket that was like, you are guilty of increased racism.
You are a Nazi.
Just key a swastika into their car door or something like that.
Driving fascist in a lib dem zone at best, you know, stuff like that.
And I just want to say I find it a little suspicious that we have the man, the bureaucrat, the billionaire.
next to our president uh dismantling the government getting to decide that anyone who doesn't like his cars are terrorists right and then suddenly we have seemingly real acts of arson and terror happening across the country
while this administration is like renditioning people to el salvadorian prisons and other detention centers without trial without even consideration for legal status or evidence or anything like that um and i just want to say you know i don't like to to my own horn too often um but i was calling this false flag shit back on uh back on march 18th k wtx on uh
And the comments are all, of course, like, we need to kill Democrats.
But I keenly observed that somebody might have an interest in these cars burning, and I did post, false flag!
Follow the plan!
Study the comments!
And this is the comment that I want us to study, was from Thien, who says, Batteries just blown up by itself.
Try not to drive them to reduce risks.
Simple. So this is just a car that's going to sit in your driveway like the same way that I have this Star Trek ship that someone sent me from Twitter, but it's just a model sitting on my chest of drawers.
You want it to just sit in your driveway like a material object that you can marvel over but not actually use for the purpose that it's made for?
Yeah. The ultimate lawn sign.
Let's spend $10,000 on a car that we will not drive, or how much ever they cost.
$100,000.
That was wild.
Actually, the Cybertruck, people don't know this, it's only $10,000.
And it's totally modular.
It's their answer to the Toyota truck that America won't let us have.
Over here.
I would say that the Cybertruck is definitely like...
We were just talking about this last night because there's an author who's like a local author and maybe I'll ask Ani to see if she wants me to censor this, but there's a local author who writes, I guess, middling fiction that's not that great to begin with.
But she also, or they, I think it's a woman, also drive a cyber truck.
And so somebody was asking Ani, do you recommend this book or this book?
And Ani was like, well, I didn't really like that author.
Also, she drives a cyber truck.
And the woman was like, thank you, and put it back immediately.
Because it's such a signifier.
Even before the political stuff, it's such a signifier for desperation.
Pure, raw desperation for, like, attention or to be cool or something like that.
I know people point this out a lot, but have you ever seen a passenger?
I've seen a couple of Cybertrucks, but I've never seen in my neighborhood, actually, which is always appalling because, I mean, and these are jokes that people have made already, but truly, it does look, because it is so angular, because of, like, it just looks so much unlike any other car, which... You would think that cars would be designed to...
And I guess this is kind of a hearkening back to retrofuturism.
There are these sleek curves, right?
It looks aerodynamic.
It looks like something that can go fast.
It looks like a woman, is what you're saying.
Yes, it looks like...
That's not what I'm interested in.
I need my car to look like a pointed dick.
It looks like a car from Max Payne, like PS2 Max Payne or some shit like that.
You know what I mean?
Yeah. Hey, why do you think it's called body work?
Yeah. You know?
Yeah. It looks like one of the tanks I controlled on the first generation Mac.
Computer game.
You know, that like grid work tank program that came with it.
That's what it looks like.
It looks like if it was small enough that you could use it as a weapon.
Like if they made like a model, like remember them Hess trucks that they would make every Christmas?
That I think, I forget what gas station would release them, but they were these Hess trucks, like fire trucks and like emergency vehicles and jets and shit.
But if they made this...
It could be liable as a weapon for you to use to kill someone with how angular and sharp it is, man.
It's dangerous.
Except it's going to break when you hit somebody with it.
It's going to crumble.
But yeah, getting back to this comment real quick.
Yeah, people forget these fucking cars just blow up.
They just do that.
That's what they do.
They just do that.
It's just something they do.
And sometimes they blow up after shutting down in the middle of the freeway at 3 a.m.
And your lights don't turn on and you can't turn your hazards and you can't get out of the car.
And then it blows up.
And it's in the middle of the freeway, and you can't do that.
Did you guys hear about I think it was, I mean, because there are so many malfunctions with these cars, design flaws, but I think there was one where the rubberized covering Over the gas pedal, I think.
I think it would slip off or something like that.
And it would catch under the gas pedal.
So you would be trying to hit brake and you wouldn't be able to do that because the gas pedal was still engaged.
I mean, we're not even just talking about blowing up.
I'm talking about you look at the shit and it rusts.
You know what I mean?
This is a car that is not designed for use, actually.
No, exactly.
It's safer to just not have one.
It's the best thing.
We just did not get one.
Hold on.
Real quick.
We forgot.
What if these people are just tired like that lady in Arizona?
Have we considered maybe they're just tired and they need it because maybe...
Are we being ableist like we were to that lady?
Oh, the therapist.
The traveling therapist.
Yeah, who people are bullying her.
Who needed it for work.
These people might just be sleepy.
So what does she need it for?
What do you mean for work?
Because she uses the self-drive feature.
Oh, that shit.
I mean, if you're a therapist, you're not allowed to sleep when you're doing that.
Listen, if you're a therapist and hopefully part of your job is trying to discourage people from trying to kill themselves, I don't think you're leading a good example by driving one of these vehicles.
I just don't think you're doing that.
I think her actual job was trying to detect when people were pretending to be crazy so she could kick them off social security benefits.
Yeah, that was her job.
So that fits.
Why could all these Tesla dealerships be blowing up?
Why could all these cars be going up in flames?
Is it so, I don't know, Elon Musk doesn't have to pay to have them shipped back to Tesla where they need to undergo these recalls?
Every single Cybertruck has been recalled now.
Tesla is recalling approximately 46,000 Cybertrucks.
Which is about every Cybertruck built to date.
Due to a crucial safety issue involving a steel trim panel located on the side of the windshield, it has the potential to detach while driving.
What car is...
I'm just going to ask people, like, what other...
I know that everything we make now...
And I won't say the United States, actually, because I do think that there are some...
I mean, yes, very much in the United States, but I think that there are some companies and some products, especially ones that are like union, like union, like unionized, right?
Where there's a pride taken, right?
In the quality of the product.
Not because it comes from America, just because like, I mean, these workers care about the work that they do, right?
And I just want to ask people, what other vehicle, I mean, not that I know of, I know that American cars have loads of problems, but what other vehicle has had as many problems?
They should not be on the road.
Is what I'm saying.
They shouldn't be.
What the Cybertruck and just Teslas in general with the amount of recalls they've had, specifically the only thing I remember in my personal experience are the Scions.
...are the Scion XB and the Scion TC, which, you know, they were like the hot girl car for, like...
Those are those blocky-looking, those cute, like, blocky-looking...
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
The XB is the most punk car ever.
It's the most punk DIY car of all time.
Right, let me finish what I'm gonna say here, is that those two, like, the TC was like the hot girl car, and then every one you saw after, like...
Six months to a year after they came out had fucking masking tape holding the bumper off.
Every single one.
The bumper and above the license plate.
Everything fell off of that car.
And same thing with the XB.
The boxy looking one.
However, the XB, what it had was room inside of the vehicle to actually transport and carry things.
You could actually take the rear seats out of the XB and turn it into a fucking moving van.
That was the gigging car back in the mid to late 2000s.
But the fucking...
The Cybertruck doesn't even have that.
You can't even get a 2x4 into it.
What's funny, to speak on what you were saying about quality, the thing is, yes, the modern car that exists today, there is no...
Every brand that is in business today is in business because they've been making stuff.
Like, we've had these other cars, like Hyundai had this resurgence because they decided to go and up their quality.
The worst brand new car you can buy now is still very nice and will hold up for a little while.
It's just now programmed to where you're stuck with them because they have to fix it for you.
But other than that, they still work.
And there's other electric...
Are you guys aware of this conspiracy about the Tesla cleanup crews?
Do they talk about this in the comments?
No, what are the Tesla cleanup crews?
Oh, I've heard about this, that Tesla sends a team out to cover up whenever a Tesla explodes to clean it up.
What? It's like Men in Black, but for Cybertrucks?
There's a guy on TikTok who, one of the ex-model exes...
Yeah, the SUV one, the X1, drove into his living room.
It hit the wall in his living room, and he went out, and he's like, what the fuck?
And he called the 911 and called a tow truck.
And they just forwarded it to Elon.
911 just forwards that shit now.
He went out there and the truck driver was there and the guy was like, hey, you know, what do I need to do?
Who do I talk to?
And the guy didn't talk to him at all.
He's recording him.
Didn't talk to him at all.
Got in his truck, bounced.
Another tow truck driver showed up later that was the one he called.
That was a separate tow truck driver.
Yeah, so there's this whole, like, and the thing is, I believe, because these accidents do happen all the time, but you never hear about it.
Right, right.
It's rare that you hear about it.
You know what I'm thinking about, too, and I'm sorry people have heard me say this before, that I listen to the Trillbillies, but I've been kind of thinking often about the Italian Futurists, and I guess, like, the Nazis were part of that movement, too, but the Futurists, the fascist Futurists, they believed in speed, dynamism, You know, violence, you know, hyper masculinity, right?
Overcoming nature by any progress by any means necessary, even if it meant, you know, through mass violence.
I don't think people know, but, well, people might not know, but the V2 rocket, which we use as a model for the Saturn V rocket that took us to the moon, you know, Von Braun, right?
Like a Nazi, right?
Built that, right?
And in this labor camp, more Jewish slaves, because they were literally like, it was slave labor, more Jewish slaves died, right?
Building this rocket than people who were actually killed by the rockets, right?
Right. And I'm going to be careful about saying this.
One thing the Futurists were obsessed with, though, was they were obsessed with beauty, right?
They were obsessed with the plane and the car.
Like aesthetic beauty.
Aesthetic beauty, right?
And you can say all these things you want to say about that, right?
No, I'm not saying we need to give it to the Futurists.
No, but...
Elon, these fascists are not even obsessed with beauty.
You know what I mean?
Like, one, the product doesn't work.
And two, it is just a death trap, right?
It is all these things that embody these fascistic impulses, right?
About... Hyper-individuality but expressed through mass violence, you know?
Where it even comes down to the fact that you can't even drive this car because it will explode on you.
It has defects that will kill you and other people.
I mean, we could even look at Jeeps and SUVs inside the United States where they make them bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.
I mean, I guess when shit doesn't work anymore, you just make it bigger, right?
You make it more dangerous, you know?
But don't forget, it's kind of bulletproof.
Kind of.
This is the synthesis of ego, where you think you just need to make something look so not beautiful, and that's what makes it masculine.
That's why you trim your eyelashes, you know?
Right, right.
And so you do that, and you don't think you need engineering.
Right. You think you just need to make it tough, but you don't know how to make it tough.
You just have an idea.
Well, steel is tough.
I'll make it look like steel.
But then you make it to where the tow hitch just gets ripped off instantly if you tow anything.
Yeah, that's totally right.
And I think what it is, is like, it's not that modern fascists aren't obsessed with aesthetic beauty or like, you know, whatever commercial product they've been taught since the age of a toddler to think of as beautiful it's also what we're seeing is just the effects of capitalism where capitalism gives such like rewards to people who already have wealth and money and some level
of success that they think they can design a truck and I know Elon Musk didn't design this truck I would not be surprised however if he didn't scribble on a napkin what he wanted the truck to look like a la homer simpson and made his team work around just the obvious flaws in his design um and that's just and and the fact that so many other right wingers uh Buy this or talk about liking that is cope.
They know it's ugly.
They know it sucks ass.
But what else is there?
What other conservative art is there for them to parade around?
For them to champion?
This is it.
So they got to do it.
There's a white guy doing Basquiat art right now who's claiming to be a Republican artist.
And he's like, I'm speaking for you.
People don't want to see our side.
And he's like a white dude doing bad Basquiat stuff.
He's claiming to be a conservative artist.
I'll send him.
It makes sense to me.
I'll send him your way.
You're reminding me of one of my favorite, unfortunately, one of my favorite futurists.
I shouldn't use that word.
Science fiction, because futurist has advanced connotations.
But, I mean, his name is Sid Mead.
Sid Mead was pretty much, he did work on Blade Runner.
I think he also might have done work on Alien.
But Blade Runner, a lot of people, if they look up his concept art.
I mean, this guy was, he also worked for U.S. Steel, right?
And doing conceptual artwork.
And this guy was really the architect Of what we think...
I mean, a lot of people were, but truly, this guy was the archetype of what we think the future looks like.
And this guy was like, when I guess the first designs of the Cybertruck were coming out when he was still alive, he thought it looked great.
And what pisses me off about people like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos, but to a large extent Elon Musk because he's in such this pivotal, decisive role in the US government, is that they've hijacked the future, you know?
Like, the future that was cool and was sort of like...
Yes, it was very liberal and, to be honest, reactionary at many times, you know, because it didn't actually deal with material issues like capitalism or racism or, I mean, how will we build this future and who will be enjoined within it, right?
But this guy thinks it looks fucking cool, yo.
And that's what pisses me off is that it's all just based on these...
Futuristic aesthetics, but the shit don't work.
You know what I mean?
It's like if everything on the Jetsons just didn't work, you know?
Like if they pop that pill in the microwave that turned into a meal and the microwave just exploded on you, you know what I mean?
Like, come on, man.
And that's the thing that was like, those things, the future looks the way it looks because it works.
If this was a truck that ended up working, that ended up doing what it said it was going to do...
We would have all been like, okay, cool.
I get it.
Fine. Have you seen the bare-bones Toyota truck that we're trying to get over here?
You're just making me think of a Flintstones car when you say bare-bones Toyota truck.
It's a bare-bones Toyota truck.
It has no bed.
The bed's aftermarket.
It's $2,000 or something like that.
But it's a $50,000 truck.
It's the sick bed that'll fold down and become a flatbed.
You can get all the stuff that's actually functional and cool for a truck to have.
So you can install like a futon in it or some shit like that?
No bells and whistles, bench seat, no bells and whistles, everything very simple, and people are so stoked on it because it's gonna work.
If this would've worked, we all would've had to just not say anything about it.
We'd be like, cool, it works.
It looks that way because it has a job.
And the thing is, all the things it does, like that stupid windshield, like the design of the windshield, it just breaks.
With the one big windshield wiper?
The motherfucker just breaks.
And you can't really replace it too easy.
You have to send it to the factory to get replaced.
And there's no switch to use the windshield wiper.
There's just a raindrop sensor in the windshield.
Oh, that sounds great.
I'm going to love when that breaks and you have to pay $2,000 at a minimum to just have a clear windshield again.
Listen, man, this is maybe random, but it just reminds me of when I had an iPhone and I dropped it and the proximity sensor stopped working.
So that's what makes the screen go...
So that your cheek isn't...
And when it broke, it was so annoying, man.
And I was just like, I guess there's no other way you can make it, right?
But just...
That's a phone.
I can go to the Apple store.
I can go to, like, you know, somewhere in downtown Atlanta and get that replaced, you know?
For like a hundred bucks.
Yeah, that's a piece of technology.
That's like the display on your dash glitching out a little bit.
Like, that sucks, obviously, but it's not like your physical window that you need to look out of.
Like, on your phone, you can just wipe the water off the screen.
Exactly. Exactly.
There's barriers and impediments to even just the most common sense stuff.
She just doesn't work.
Let's get into some replies.
So, like, on all these posts...
On all these posts about Tesla's blowing up and America's dealerships are under attack, the number one comment will be something like what Shane says, who says, I'd show empathy, but they'd take that for weakness.
And that has 20,000 likes.
This is dark woke, folks.
We are witnessing the rage, the liberal rage here in these comments.
Love to see it.
But I love the people like Patricia who are like, So wrong.
I am not a fan of Musk for sure, but this is criminal.
I haven't...
I now, you know, I know I'm a podcaster and I'm supposed to do my research.
I didn't research this.
I don't think that's true.
I don't think it's criminal to explode 100 Teslas on a car.
I mean, it could be...
I think someone had said on Twitter that someone had said that this is harming people.
And I mean...
I mean, what are we talking about when you talk about criminal, right?
Is there a body count?
If you talk about property destruction, like, what does that even mean, right?
Like, it's different, like, burning someone's house down.
I mean, what is property, but even burning someone's house down, right?
I mean, that's like, I mean, I don't know, or like, you know, smashing someone's phone, I don't know, that's like personal property versus, I mean, you could get into all these, like, kind of...
Theoretical attributions of what property is and descriptions of what property is.
We're talking about a car, man.
A car that's not even been bought yet.
If it's at a dealership, no one's even bought it yet.
Who are we harming?
I do think auto dealerships should be illegal.
I don't think you're going to make any political progress targeting So
a bunch of people fucking have them.
I remember when I was dating some girl when I was like 21 or something and her dad had a Tesla.
First Tesla I'd ever seen.
We got inside and I was like, there's like a fucking...
I don't even know if iPads had been invented yet, but I was like, there's a fucking giant touchscreen computer where the dash is supposed to be.
How is this a real car?
How are people not killing themselves playing Angry Birds on the freeway?
What the fuck are we doing here?
To that point, me and Terrence talked about this on one episode recently, is that there's some company called Stellantis.
It's another car company, yeah.
Another car company, and I think that...
Actually, I think what they do is maybe provide accident insurance.
I'm not 100% positive, but the ads pop up in the screens of these cars, right?
Because now every car has a screen, but also the screens inside the cars are getting bigger.
So soon enough, you're going to have a big screen TV.
Well, not a big screen TV, but a huge TV, and it's just like...
Why are we putting screens?
I'm on my phone all day already, right?
It's already a distraction and a hindrance to the things that I want to do sometimes.
I don't think they should be installed in cars when you should be completely aware all the time when you're driving.
It's fine, because they all tell you don't use this system while operating vehicle.
It all says that in small print when it turns on.
But then you have to hit OK in order to confirm so that it goes away, and it's like, OK, but I'm still driving, though.
And the thing is, what I will say is like, honestly, they're fast.
They're really fun to drive.
They're also just terrifying because like, yeah, they just might not work.
And that's a big, that's a big return, bad return on investment right there.
But yeah.
What I was going to say, though, like what I was getting at is like, no, I don't think it's a good like political project to just key a bunch of Teslas.
I just understand why it's happening.
Right. You know, like and this is this is similar to, I guess, when Tim Walls is part of his like rehabilitation tour.
I'm sorry for losing to Trump tour.
One of the things he's talking about, like he had some quote about like, if you're ever depressed, just go take a look at Tesla stock.
Look at how poorly the Tesla stock is doing and it'll give you a little boost.
How dare you talk about the stock declining?
And you know what?
Actually, in Minnesota, their pensions are tied up in Tesla stock.
So how do you feel?
How do you feel, Tim Walls, for making fun of it?
And I had somebody post that in...
One of my Teamsters Facebook groups, Democrats are supposedly the party of workers.
Well, here he is laughing about 401k funds and stuff like that going down.
And I'm like, why do I care about the guy looking at...
This happening versus the guy who caused it to happen.
It's not Tim Walz's fault.
Tesla's a piece of shit stock that was overvalued and artificially inflated for 20 fucking years.
And if the Minnesota pension funds or 401k funds had asked me, I would have said, don't invest in Tesla.
Don't put my money in Tesla.
But it's all they have.
all they have is like now they have to do the how dare you thing because they have the power and they're doing what they want and they're trying to police speed the speech of people who are reacting to the things that they are actually doing you know 100%. 100%, man.
The thing about these vandalisms that are happening is that...
You know, Elon Musk has made Tesla his personality.
It's who he is.
He is Tesla.
Tesla is him.
And the thing is, we have something to attack.
We have an actual target that is tangible, that we can do something that is pretty harmless.
You know, like, yeah, video yourself putting your butt on the car.
That's hilarious every single time.
And it's funny because some people are catching strays, right?
They're like normies who just have Teslas.
I'm like, my boss has a Tesla, so it's fun.
I get to give him shit.
I get to give him shit.
I'm like, oh, you drive a Tesla?
I thought you didn't like Nazis, bud, but here you are, driving a Tesla.
Well, what it is, too, man, is like, it's just this, I mean, one, you know, it's commodity fetishism, right?
It's like that the actual commodity itself has taken on a life of its own, you know?
Almost like an idol that you have to worship, you know what I mean?
Like a religious idol, I mean, you know?
But also, too, it's an expression of powerlessness, you know?
Like, Oh, we know those people.
People are not going to do that.
So like, not yet, you know, but people are not going to do that.
So what you do is that, I mean, even the other, even on 4th of July, man, I think the 4th of July just passed.
I was with my friend.
And, um...
And his birthday was actually yesterday.
And in his neighborhood, there's a Cybertruck park there.
We didn't see it last night, but I remember the 4th of July, like, when we were walking around, you know, drinking, and he was like, yeah, there's a Cybertruck here.
We should, like, slash the tires and key it.
And I was like, yo, Drunko's like, hell yeah, dude.
And then I started walking.
I was like, well, hold up.
I'm a black man with my white friend in, like, a white neighborhood in Atlanta.
It's probably not a good idea But I mean at the time Not just you know Being wasted But we were just like So angry right Looking at it like in this sort of, I guess, holistic way?
I don't know if that's the right word, but looking at it kind of overall that, well, it's not just a system in power, but there are actual individuals that you want to point to, right?
Who are allowing these things to happen, who are allowing these vehicles to be on the road, who are actually capturing as well.
Not that our government already hasn't been captured, but a figure like Elon Musk now who is firing federal workers, right?
Who, I mean, is just intent on making all of our lives worse, you know?
Yeah, totally.
The thing is, all of these vehicles have cameras all over them.
This is one thing I learned.
Even just a regular Tesla has cameras all over them because that's how they're trying to develop the full self-driving.
That's what they're doing.
They're using actual visual spectrum.
Cameras, instead of like the normal LiDAR method or whatever, it's normally used to sort of maintain spaces on autonomous vehicles from, you know, stationary or other moving objects or whatever.
So, they don't actually have the full self-driving, I guess, but what you do have is your own, like, mic panopticon.
I was just about to say that.
It's a panopticon car.
Like, the world is your prison.
Buy a Tesla.
The world will be your prison.
Because you'll have video footage of everyone around you.
But also, apparently...
It kills the battery very quickly to have them in this, like, alert mode or sentry mode.
I think it's called, like, sentry mode or whatever.
So if, like, a car, a vehicle is in sentry mode, you theoretically could just walk around it five times and do more damage to it than keying it, you know?
But something to remember, if you think about maybe damaging one of these vehicles, I don't know if that's worth it, but there's cameras on you everywhere when you do it.
Imagine, imagine, imagine.
I know we're going to move over.
Just like, you know, like parking it on...
You know, like a busy street.
Or, I mean, even where you might have a lot of wildlife or some shit.
You know what I mean?
You got cats going around your car.
You got birds flying.
You got people walking past.
And by the time you get up in the morning to go drive it, the battery is dead.
We all pee next to my boss's car.
On purpose.
At all four quarters.
I do want to say, you know, if Elon does get more power, I would be okay if maybe they just turn surveillance into the Tesla network.
Because yes, us as black people might have more chances of getting hit in the sidewalk, but also no face, no case.
So maybe we can use the Tesla cameras that apparently don't see black people to our advantage.
Moving on, just a couple more replies.
May Wells says, they ought to be made to pay for destroying a person's property.
And I'm sorry, we're still in Biden's America.
Liberals do not have to pay if they destroy your property.
It's fucked up.
There's this crazy loophole that's been in place now for years and they won't change it.
I'm sorry, May.
They won't do it.
Barbara says, unfortunately, these kinds of attacks don't hurt Musk.
They hurt the people who own the cars and the buildings.
So remember when you torch a car dealer, You're not torching Elon Musk, you're torching a dealership owner's property.
You're torching a prospective buyer's hopes and dreams, essentially.
Meryl says, torching the cars at the service center or in storage lots doesn't hurt Musk or Tesla.
Those things are insured.
Hmm, interesting.
As you were saying, Alexander, yeah.
Boycott! And make them deal with the burden of unsold, perfectly good cars that no one will give them money for.
Huh, that does sound like a burden for them.
It does sound like a burden for them to have depreciating assets on hand that not only are depreciating in value and they can't sell, but also have to be actively recalled and worked on.
Right. Wow, it does seem like a burden.
I wonder if there's any way to get around that.
It's funny, too.
The thing that sucks about stuff like Tesla is like, I mean, yeah, I guess I'm going to boycott and continue just planning on not buying a Tesla because I never was.
So that's not how this works in this case, you know?
You should get a carbon offset for not buying a Tesla now.
Exactly, exactly.
Also, yeah, you're right.
The insurance companies and the loan companies are the ones that are going to be hurt by this, so go blow up those servers instead.
Oh no, I didn't know I was hurting the insurance company.
Let me hold my muster here for a second.
Matt, last comment here says, liberals, the party of hate and wasteful spending.
There's two things I hate the most, hate and wasteful spending.
Listen, I don't think that It's not even about vandalism.
I just don't think that that's, like you were saying, Alexander, I don't think that that's, like, to burn these cars.
I mean, dude, I don't care what the fuck you do.
You can do whatever you want.
It's pretty dangerous.
To start a Tesla fire, I would not start a Tesla fire.
For yourself?
For yourself?
They don't go out for, like, 12 hours?
Yeah, like, there's some blue flame that, no, I'm kidding, there's not.
Like, some otherworldly flame that comes when they set a place.
Yeah, a different type of matter is created when a Tesla, yeah.
Green fire is always bad.
But no, I mean, just also, too, it's just the fact that, like, Okay, maybe you shouldn't do whatever you want to do.
But to say this is the party of hate...
Because, and first of all, I mean, maybe they are liberals burning these cars, right?
I mean, I'm half of the mind, too, that these are people that are even more radical than that.
Libs are more pissed than they've, I think, ever been in my life.
So I actually would not be surprised if it's all liberals doing this.
You know what?
You're right, brother.
You're right, because, and I understand that the left, we do this, too, right?
You know, destroying private property, right?
But I feel like...
The only way, like, it's back to the question of powerlessness, right?
I feel like it's like when Colin Kaepernick, right, was kneeling for Black Lives Matter and there were all these conservatives that were burning Nikes, you know,'cause again, it's been signing Nike and burning his jerseys.
Because the only way that you can, well, not the only way, but the way that is, I guess,
You know, it's funny.
I wish I could just go back in time and tell those conservatives, like, hey, brother, you know, put down your lighters.
You know, Colin Kaepernick's kneeling, but don't worry.
They're going to keep killing black people in record numbers.
You have nothing to worry about there.
Kendrick Lamar is going to do the halftime show.
This literally doesn't matter, bro.
Save that jersey.
I do think the libs are finally mad enough to do things like this.
However, I do think that the FBI is honeypotting them.
Kash Patel is in their DMs saying that Elon Musk is the reason you don't have a girlfriend and no woman will ever love you because he's taken all the women for himself and his aura of power.
power and charm casts a light on the slug that you are.
And he's ruined women for any lesser man like yourself.
And then they go online and they see a shirtless picture of Like, why does he look like a beach-bloated whale, yo?
Like, fuck that.
All you need is one red flag operation, one false flag operation, that you can forward that article from an AI-stacked grandma saying, this is the sexiest thing I've ever seen.
And then everything's...
it's all it's all it's all you know done from there I can feel the light I'm fading I can feel the whole world changing I can feel the angels
saying hold on, hold on, hold on I can feel the light I'm fading I can feel the whole world changing I can feel the angels saying hold on, hold on Game to pick you up Okay, let's move on here.
Okay, Aaron, did you see this last week?
We got cancelled.
Oh, we should have told you before you came on.
I'm sorry.
Oh man, you guys have ruined my podcasting literary career before.
Well, the podcasting career started, but my literary career...
No, kidding.
I'm kidding.
What did y'all get canceled for?
We got canceled for liberal bullshit.
For being liberal.
There's no excuse for that, but let's just say what happened here.
This is shared by Paul into our Facebook group.
Thank you, Paul.
This is a page called Anti-Capitalist League.
That I've never heard before, I've never seen before, but they have 49,000 followers on Facebook.
Interesting. Okay, I'm not...
You call yourself a leftist.
You don't know the Anti-Capitalist League?
Come on, brother.
I don't know who these people are, and I'm sorry if any listeners follow this page, but I'm just thinking of the FBI guy at the computer meme right now.
This sounds...
I mean, you know what?
I shouldn't...
I shouldn't be...
I forget the term for it.
Prejudiced. Prejudiced, but it's also just kind of like fed jacketing.
I shouldn't be fed jacketing.
This seems sus.
I don't know.
Go ahead, though.
Let's reserve judgment.
Let me tell everybody what it is.
These are comrades.
These are comrades.
So the Anti-Capitalist League on Facebook shared a screenshot of one of the podcasts, Minion Death Cult's posts that I did.
I think years and years ago.
I don't even remember posting.
I kind of remember posting this now, but the screenshot was taken within five minutes of when I posted it.
And I'm actually like, I was like pleasantly surprised.
I was like, damn, I guess people must have liked this one if it's like still going around.
But I wrote, an overworked society is an easily managed society.
More paid time off means more time to raise your kids, more time to form connections in your community, more time to pursue spiritually, intellectually, or artistically fulfilling activities, more time to rest, more time to organize and engage with politics.
In short, everything that contributes to a real quality of life.
And I said, the fight for real freedom begins in the workplace.
And I think This was just meant to be a general pro-union, pro-organizing your workplace post because you, you know, like...
That's one of the more fundamental aspects of your life is how much you get for selling your labor or what your general working conditions are.
However, Anti-Capitalist League put a big red X through this post.
I like that they put a big red.
I like that someone downloaded, took a screenshot, downloaded it, then went to MS Paint and put the big red X over it.
You guys are doing great work there, man.
I just want to get ahead of this.
Sorry, I've got to protect myself.
I did not write this post.
I just want to get ahead of this.
Tony was like, it wasn't me, brother.
I definitely forwarded this to Tony before I hit publish, which is what I do with all of our posts.
I make sure that Tony...
I have the documents, bro.
If you want to play this game...
That was like two iCloud updates for me ago, so I thought it was gone.
I thought it was in the cloud, brother.
I remember the DMs where I said, hey, look at this, brother, tell me what you think.
Shit. Oh, man.
So what did the anti-capitalists, what did they say?
Yeah, okay, so this is what they say.
If it doesn't contain class analysis in the context of capitalist class analysis with the explicit language indicating that the problem is capitalism, then it's bullshit liberal ideology.
Liberals have been complaining about work for 200 years and evading the root problem at work.
Actually, I don't think that liberals have been complaining about work for any of that amount of time.
Actually, the whole idea is that work can be fulfilling, right?
That it doesn't matter about really the quality of the job that you do, but it's about, I think, much of it is about a purpose without like kind of ignoring the alienation, which I think is kind of also what your post is getting at, right?
How alienating that it can be, right?
Work-life balance.
Yeah, exactly.
I think it's also weird to say liberals have been complaining about work for 200...
How many self-identified liberals were there throughout the last 200 years?
Like, that seems like a very modern kind of thing that, like, you know, this, like, I don't know, this modern, like, nomenclature that maybe is anachronistic to the actual time.
I think I would be more accurate to say workers have been complaining about work for 200 years.
100%. I mean, under liberal bourgeois democracy, I mean, like, as long as it has existed, which is, again, as you said, very modern.
Nobody's complained about work.
The whole point as opposed to chattel slavery is that you have the so-called freedom to find a job wherever you want.
Although you don't have democracy at work.
That's something that they conveniently ignore.
But liberals don't complain about work.
What the fuck are you talking about?
It's just so funny seeing a post from some barista that's like, I had a cloping twice this week with that creep.
Gonna KMS.
And you're like, bootlicker?
Yeah. You see that post and you're like, God, liberal babble.
Dude. Fucking, you know, there's no class analysis in the context of capitalist class analysis in this post about clopening.
If you don't know what clopening is, it's when you close one night and have to open the next morning.
Oh, I thought you were mispronouncing Klonopin because I was like, yo, I would definitely take Klonopin when I used to go to work.
I used to be subscribed to that shit.
I would definitely take that shit when I used to go to work, man.
My baristas out there knew what I was saying when I said clopin'.
They knew exactly what I was spittin'.
But also, too, I just want to say, too, I feel like, you know, I don't want to harp too much on, you know, these ostensible comrades.
Maybe I shouldn't use the word ostensible, but these comrades here.
But I think, how can I put this, man, without being kind of gentle about it, right?
But I think sometimes, and I see this online a lot, and this is kind of part of the reason why, like, sometimes I don't post as much, but I think that there can be very, it's almost like these Pre-figurative politics, which is like, you have to use the right, you have to use the right language, you have to use all the right terms, and I'm just talking about like, you know, being like, you know, an anti-capitalist, possibly a Marxist, right?
Where it's like, dude, when you talk to normal...
Regular people.
And I don't even mean to make that, because normal regular people makes that sound.
Everybody's kind of weird, right?
But if you're just talking to working people, I think that it helps to talk to them about work in a way that they can readily understand the fact that...
Like, people know they're getting fucking ripped off.
They know that they're labor, right?
That the surplus value, even if they don't use the word surplus value, just that fact that they're labor, that what they earn and they go home with that paycheck, that they feel that they deserve more, right?
That they're being shat on at work, right?
I think this, your original post, Alex, is helpful because everyone knows what it feels like to be drained dry spiritually, artistically.
Like, me as a writer, man, I should be writing more because So I feel like...
artistically, scientifically, what may have you, but they just have to go to work and not just work, but a job that sucks them, bleeds them dry like a stone.
Your post is helpful.
Like, I mean, I guess if you're talking about the comrades and you're not using, like, class analysis, which I think you did do, I think that that's, I don't know, I think you're just communicating a general feeling to people, you know what I mean?
It's weird to say, like, as a leftist, you always have to post anti-cap.
You have to be principled.
Principally? I don't know.
You have to be principled in your posting and it's always anti-capital.
It's like, no, I'm just talking about a union at work.
I could go into why unions are necessary under capitalism and only a band-aid over a larger systemic issue or whatever.
I could go into all that, but that's not what I'm talking about, man.
I'm not trying to build a brand to build my anti-capitalist Sorry,
go ahead, Alexander.
The root problem isn't at your job.
Right. Right.
quote root problem at your job you are dealing with the side effect you're dealing with the outgrowth you're dealing with the externalities of the system and so yeah of course you're going to do things to lessen the symptoms that are killing you it doesn't mean you shouldn't also try to eradicate
the quote disease or whatever you know whatever the systemic at root issue is but you have to stay alive to do that you have to be alive to kill kill the disease or whatever or to fight the actual problem and it's absurd to be like to pretend like these things won't actually matter in the fight against capital And my last comment on this comment, on this post, is, you know, honestly, I gotta be real.
If you were living a life that allows you to see the post, the original post, analyze it the way you did, think about it the way you did, post about it again in this context with, you know, You probably have a pretty nice work-life balance, and maybe you need to check your privilege.
Right. Maybe you need to check your privilege.
Also, too, and again, again, I just have to say two things.
One, I think that posting stuff like this is like what you posted, Alexander, is a good stepping stone towards some sort of anti-capitalist future.
Yeah, whenever, whenever that may happen, you know, I've been a little bit more.
No, not nihilistic.
I've been a little more pessimistic lately, but I wouldn't be I wouldn't be a communist if I didn't have hope.
Right. But also, secondly.
What you talking about liberals for 200 years?
You mean the liberals that are anti-union?
You know what I mean?
You talking about liberals that want to cut down unions?
You mean you talking about liberals that essentially want to lock people into jobs that they fucking hate?
Liberals that support shit like the gig economy?
You know what I mean?
And all these ways that further alienate ourselves?
But I mean...
Again, man, you know, to each their own, but I just think maybe not even baby steps.
I'm just talking about just talking to people in a way that resonates with them, right?
Instead of trying to be the most uber leftist that you can be, you know what I mean?
Let's look at some more examples of these posts from anti-cap.
All of their posts, their like most popular posts had like a hundred likes.
...on a page with 50,000 followers.
Again, I'm not trying to Fedjacket anyone as well, like Aaron said.
Just very...
How did they get...
It's not that easy to organically get 50,000 actual followers on Facebook without paying for things like...
If they paid for ads or if they paid for follows, that would make sense.
Or if you're doing AIR, like Spongebob fucking a dolphin or something like that.
You know what I mean?
Okay, then maybe.
Yeah, sure.
Another one of their posts is they posted a screenshot of this person, Katie Hannon, who tweeted out or posted, As a therapist, I can say confidently that while therapy is helpful, what most people really need is money.
And they crossed out money and wrote socialism.
It's like, okay, where do I get this job?
Where do I get this job crossing out one word and replacing it with either capitalism or socialism?
And I also love that we have a meme policeman on the left.
You probably haven't heard the episode, Aaron, but we've covered this page on Facebook called The Meme Policeman a couple times, and I'm so glad we finally have one for the left, who's here to debunk the idea that poor people need money.
Holding us accountable.
Can I just say also, too, that as a nitpick thing, if money was crossed out and said communism Right?
Which is no money, no class, no state, right?
I'm not even talking about exactly existing, not even, well, communism, like, exactly existing socialism.
I don't know why people don't think that socialist countries don't have money.
You know what I mean?
Like, they don't have a currency.
You know what I mean?
Like, a sovereign currency.
I don't understand why people think that.
That's just, what are you talking about?
Well, I guess the idea is if you have socialism, then the equal distribution of money comes along with it or something like that.
But they've captioned this, this girl, this therapist on Twitter whose display name is Katie Hannon.
Like, her She seems like a normal lady.
Anti-Capitalist League has captioned this.
Tankies don't know what socialism is.
Oh my god, this fucking word again.
They only know patriarchal authority of the party bosses.
We don't need any money, nor do we need tankies.
Tankies destroyed the possibility of ever using the word, comma, communism again.
Also, communists are the ones that destroyed communism and not the West, right?
I mean, okay, that could be a whole other argument, but I mean, come on, dude.
No, they did it by looking bad.
They did it by looking bad.
You've ruined our chances to do communism.
They created murderous dictatorships of the dictators.
Oh, shut the fuck up.
Dictatorships of the dictators.
Wow. Calling it socialism or communism.
The Communist Party doesn't know what communism is.
Liberals don't know what democracy is.
MAGGOTS! Okay.
You're railing against liberalism, but you're using maggots?
This is the most lib-coded shit I've ever seen.
You're fucking hyper-lib if you use maggot.
It's like a slightly angrier drumpf.
It's crazy that Slipknot's catching a stray here.
Here's another wild example of what they're posting.
Posted a screenshot of restaurant worker news of Starbucks union baristas getting arrested for protesting in Starbucks.
Starbucks workers arrested at their own job after baristas across the country go on strike and walk out in protest of management's refusal to negotiate a fair contract.
And the photo is of these Starbucks workers in Starbucks United t-shirts being arrested by the police, being handcuffed with their hands behind their backs, being handcuffed and...
I never thought about this.
You're actually upholding the system by getting arrested by it.
You're reinforcing the system.
I was reading Baudrillard the other day, Simulation and Simulacra, and I wish I had the line in front of me.
It's like sitting there, but I'm not even going to pull it up.
But he talks about how denunciation, and in a way I can understand this, right?
Not in support of this post, but he talks about how often denunciation can be in reaffirmation of the law itself.
And what I mean by that, I guess, is what I'm saying is that when liberals actually are doing their kind of pink pussy hat protest.
Performative speech.
Performative. I mean, you have people even like Tim Waltz, right, who could have said shit.
I mean, he wouldn't have said anything, actually, I guess, when he was running on the ticket with Kamala.
But now it seems very hollow and performative.
right but all I'm gonna say like you know and there could be some truth to that but I'm I'm just going to put that out there, man.
You know what I mean?
That's just kind of sus, man.
Is it getting chilly out here?
Is it getting chilly out here?
This is a photo that has been...
This type of photo...
Workers wearing union shirts in handcuffs being escorted out by police.
This is a photo that has been used to radicalize people for generations.
And should be.
That's what this effect should be.
And to see this and be like, liberal bull.
So what are you suggesting?
Are you like, just post?
You want to see what they're suggesting?
Yes, please.
We humans have arrived at multiple existential crises, none of which can be fixed by voting.
Systemic collapse.
This is written by them.
This is what they shared on their page.
They are like, I don't know, accelerationists or just like anti-human pessimists about society, which...
There's a reading of society that is that.
But a lot of people haven't given up to this degree yet.
And forgive us for still trying to have more to eat or a stable place to live or whatever.
See, man, I'm an apocalyptician, right?
Which does not mean a doomer, right?
In the true Latin root of the word, an apocalypse means an unveiling, right?
Or a revealing of a truth, right?
I'm not a doomer, right?
I'm not a nihilist.
Because To say systemic collapse, so what are you saying that people should do nothing?
Because it's going to collapse at some point, right?
I mean, and this is just my personal opinion, and I'm not even saying, like, the system itself.
I mean, you know, this country could just, like, I think I called it the long languishing on the Trillbillies.
It could just languish, right, in this horrible way, but that doesn't mean that people won't fight back.
This shit will have to collapse at some point, but to say that people should just wait for it to collapse, or what are you talking about?
We should do a January 6th so we could I think some of the most realistic things you could do is join a union, right?
Yes. You know what I mean?
Join a fucking union.
Organize your community.
This might even sound like a little bit, like, less material, but I mean, especially if you're an artist, right?
And a creative individual, right?
Like, get into some creative, like, community, right?
With your people.
Find a way to express your ideas in a way to people that are not just posting or preaching or haranguing people, but actually lead to...
Criticizing. Yeah, criticizing.
That lead to, like, some material communal productive outcome, right?
I'm saying this as a podcaster, by the way, you know?
Like, what the fuck?
I think...
Go ahead, Tony.
What's even more pitiful about this whole mentality, this whole energy, is like, yes, you know, sometimes, yeah, I'm a bit of a pessimist, you know?
I understand that vibe or whatever.
But the thing is, if this is really how you feel, this is really how you feel, do you not even have a survival instinct?
Are you not prepping?
Are you not buying ammunition?
Are you not learning how to survive?
Learning how to ride a horse.
Are you doing those things?
Because if you're not doing those things and you're just posting about it, then touch grass.
Come hang out.
You're doing the same thing that they were just complaining about, right?
Like, this is what liberalism...
This is why I find what Mahmoud Khalil, right?
Who was, you know, a black bag disappeared from his house, from his apartment, right?
Not loving Israel.
Yeah, exactly.
For organizing, you know, the pro-Palestinian, sure, but I mean, anti-genocide.
Let's be clear about this, right?
Yes, pro-Palestinian, of course.
But... I don't know what this person does.
I don't know the person that runs this account, what they do.
But I just feel like, When you are disparaging Starbucks, like, unionize, well, Starbucks workers that are trying to unionize, and disparaging them when they're being confronted by the state and by capital, and for you, that is performative and bad, and what's not performative, not bad, but what's not performative is just posting.
You know, I just have to judge whether or not you, the FBI agent, you know, behind the fucking screen, in front of the monitor, man, I just do, truly.
So, to be charitable with these people, I think they're anarchists.
Like, the use of tanky and lib Well, what else does that leave?
That leaves fucking anarchists, basically.
Which I don't have any beef with anarchists at all.
I'm anti-sectarian.
I'm just a leftist.
I just think we should get organized as the working class and use that leverage.
Not just the working class, but disabled people.
Everybody who is subject to the whims of capital should organize, but through the working class, we have this leverage and that, I believe, is the avenue to combat Capitalism.
And then all the other details, or I'm fine with figuring out, you know, figuring out later, talking about like it's actually happening or whatever.
But to be most charitable to like this anarchist critique of the system, like, yeah, I don't think we're going to fix this system by voting.
I don't even think we're able to, we might even not be able to fix this system by organizing.
However, things like unions, like what you were talking about, Aaron, things like unions, tenants, unions, forming communities, those will persist after whatever happens, whatever systemic crisis happens, what will be left is these actual organizations that we've done.
And as an anarchist, you should know that better than anybody.
I don't know why you would be critiquing Starbucks workers For getting together and creating a democratic process by which they can combat their grievances, even if they're petty grievances to your mind or whatever, even if they're not going to fix the system.
That is the framework I imagine you're arguing for in every other aspect of your analysis.
So to treat Starbucks workers like they're liberal performance artists or whatever, it just...
Sounds exactly like the sort of MAGA conservative, or sorry, MAGA communist, like aesthetic communist anti-Marxist bullshit about how baristas are members of the working class or whatever.
It just sounds like a slightly less misogynistic form of that.
Well, I didn't tell you guys this, but my job on the commune is to analyze your social networking, your digital footprint.
And that's how I'm gonna, you know, that's how you're gonna get your calorie rations, is by how pure your posting was.
So that's what this is actually about.
Also, too, I'll just add, too, man, like, I think people have to realize that there's no...
I mean, yeah, I guess there's a communist party in the United States, but I mean, they're like...
It's not great, right?
I'll talk shit about it before people get mad at me, but dude, there's no communist party, right?
I mean, there's no...
There is no party that could actually, right now, working class party, I should say, right now, that could threaten this political duopoly we have of Republicans and Democrats.
You could call yourself whatever you want.
I might consider myself a Marxist-Leninist.
That doesn't fucking mean anything in the United States.
It means you're good.
It means you're cool.
It means that I have the good opinions.
Like what we're talking about again is like organizing community, but also and not to run too far off the rails.
But I don't know, man, I was just thinking about the show because you guys were talking about dystopian science fiction.
And there's a show called Station Eleven that I've recommended to people before.
It's a miniseries on HBO that is adapted from a novel.
And what I love about about that book is that it takes place after a pandemic that has wiped out 99 percent of humanity.
And this is specifically like kind of focused on the arts.
But there's a traveling troupe of Shakespearean artists and musicians who go around the Great Lakes region.
Right. Which is very like it's just hardly populated and they perform art for people.
Right. And, you know, watching that show and kind of like it's one of my favorite and most optimistic post apocalyptic shows.
Exactly, that too.
Sorry I interrupted you.
No, no, no.
You're right.
No, you're right.
I mean, The Walking Dead, like, after, like, season fucking three, that shit was trash.
But no, you're absolutely right.
I love the first three seasons for that because you realize that people think, again, this is why I said, like...
I'm not a doomer, but I like the term apocalypse because it truly just does mean an unveiling.
As Dr. Manhattan said to Ozymandias, or I think I posted this the other day, at the end of Watchmen, nothing ever ends.
Nothing ever really ends.
You can't just resign yourself to this sort of fatalism of a systemic collapse, but also, as you said, you pointed out, yeah, this can't be solved by voting, which is why we need to start building community and networks now.
I have kind of a challenging, one more challenging example from Anti-Capitalist League that's going to possibly be problematic for at least me to discuss.
And honestly, I was really interested in what your guys' take on this was.
So if you'll indulge me, Anti-Capitalist League shared this post from some Facebook user called Creighton Lee.
Who is critiquing a Blue Sky post.
so the original blue blue sky post says I'm gonna need some of you outside the US to calm down with the judgment around how fast we are pulling together a resistance effort there are 340 million of us spread across 3.18 million square
We are protesting and fighting back.
Also, we do have to keep going to work.
Telling us we should be abandoning our jobs to take to the street is pretty privileged and out of touch thing to say.
So I definitely have my critique of this post, which I'm sure you do, because for one thing, it's one of the most online things I've ever fucking read in my life.
Like, who are you talking to?
Who could possibly...
Oh, the international community needs to put...
Point their barrels in another direction.
You only see that because you're in your weird online circles.
I don't know.
You've created, again, you've created a prison out of the world for yourself.
You don't have to justify yourself going to work every day under capitalism.
We know.
You're like this glutton for punishment or self-flagellation or whatever, and it's boring.
It's narcissistic.
It's unnecessary.
However, Cretan Lee had a different...
Or an additional criticism of this.
They said, this is a very white American take.
And I would say, yeah, absolutely.
It's somebody who just doesn't even understand what class consciousness probably is, which is a very white American thing.
They just figured out things aren't great.
Yeah, absolutely.
Since like 2016, actually, though.
So, this is a very white American take.
A weak-ass, mayo-ass take.
White Americans don't have the stones unless they're harassing black people.
Now they need days off to protest their rights.
Did our folks get days off the plantation or days off at the car factories and plants to protest?
No. White people do not know how to organize here.
Which is, yeah, correct.
Absolutely. Of course, nobody knows how to organize here except the communists and the anarchists.
That's it.
Did the Germans or French request paid time off?
Fucking cowards are waiting for us!
No. We're seated.
Y'all got it.
Can I say something first of all?
I have a problem with both of these posts, but especially the person that's quoting this, I can't see.
I could probably zoom in, but I can't see their profile picture.
I feel like it's often white people that say that this is a very white American take, which is like, you are a white person.
I'm not saying that you can't criticize white people, but also too, dog, I live where I live.
It's like a lower middle class neighborhood.
It's black bougie, right?
I mean, I saw motherfuckers with Kamala Waltz signs all the time.
When I was in the car with my Jamaican mother and my Jamaican-born sister, and I was talking about Palestine, and they were very committed to vote for Kamala, they were like, honestly, my family's good, man.
They're good liberals, I guess, right?
But they just couldn't understand and even kind of mocked at the fact that I couldn't even imagine voting for Kamala, right?
Even within the black community, right?
I do think that there's this kind of idea that black people are, and true, if you look at statistically, black people are very liberal, right?
But there's this idea that just because you're black, you know what I mean?
But that you don't, because you live in capitalism, you know what I mean?
You live in liberal bourgeois democracy, you know?
There are a lot of people who are not prepared to do the things that you want to do, even if they are very oppressed, you know what I mean?
So it just seems weird to me because it's sort of like this...
I don't know how to put it, man.
This weird, and I'm saying this as a black person, this weird fetishization of radical black politics as if all black people share this view, and it's just like, no, dude, a lot of people in this country are truly cucked, man.
And I'm again not saying that the black community has not been like a standard bearer, right, for radical revolutionary politics.
There's a whole radical black tradition.
But to just kind of paint this broad brush, and I mean, maybe I'm just saying this too because I live in the South, right, and that's part of what we talk about a lot on the Trillbillies, you know what I mean?
Like, we talk a lot about, like, you know, this sort of, like, this I do believe this was a black person and the comment section was overwhelmingly black and
was overwhelmingly Agreeing with this person that black people have done enough and they're just going to sit back and enjoy the systemic collapse, I guess, is kind of what it looked like to me.
And it was just kind of wild to read, but there was mass agreement in what looked, you know, unless they were all AI black people.
I don't know.
They could be, you know, but yeah, anyway, Tony, sorry.
A lot of it is like, yeah, the idea, because the thing is, the idea when people think about Sure.
are of those protests.
There's a reason we don't see a lot of the labor protests because they don't want to educate kids about labor protests for a whole nother reason.
It's also very multiracial stuff going on there.
The stuff that we see, the stuff we grew up with are the reason why they're largely black images because they were mostly black protests.
Those are the ones that became photogenic.
Those are the ones that actually culminated in this thing that they thought fixed everything in the civil rights.
Those are the iconic photos we grew up with.
That's happened to where that's the idea they have.
Unfortunately, what's happening is because of the lack of class analysis happening here, a lot of, and this might be wild, but a lot of middle class black people who are generations out of that struggle still feel like they Participated in that.
Even if they didn't.
It's like boomers thinking they protested Vietnam or whatever.
Even if they didn't.
A lot of the reason why I do it is because my family did.
It's because I feel like I have this...
I need to uphold that.
I need to keep this tradition going.
Also, I have a lot to fight for.
I'm a poor black man in America.
I have a lot to fight for.
That just makes sense.
That's what happens.
That's what happens.
For change to happen is the people who are worst off and have the least to lose are the people who are willing to rebel and buck the system and say, fuck it.
And so, of course, like black people who are in statistically way more precarious situations than, you know, the majority of white people are like, at least statistically, like you are going to see them as the forefront of these movements out of necessity, like you said, Tony.
And a lot of this is, you know, this middle class, you know, What they've done now is they get to take on the aesthetic, they get to take on the mentality, but in their mind, I'm actually good, so y'all can go fight.
But you forget how many of your people of your kin are still struggling because of the thing, the system that does maintain that status quo.
You got lucky you got out.
And the thing is, unfortunately, it's an American instinct to pull that ladder up.
To pull out and say, you know what?
Hey, you know what?
I got out.
Luckily, my mom was the first one to go to college.
Not my mom.
This is a hypothetical middle-class black person.
My mom was the first person to go to college, and now I have a track home.
My mom and dad, they grinded AT&T super hard.
Now we have a Mercedes and a track home.
Okay, cool.
So you got lucky.
And the thing is, because you like the class analysis, you forget that there's still people who are struggling.
And it's not because of laziness.
It's not because they didn't have, you know, the vigor.
There are still structural things that are keeping that in place, and it's still your responsibility as a human, as kin, to do that.
But because they have air conditioning, fuck it.
Well, I mean, like, Stuart Hall, the British Jamaican Marxist, has said, this is one of my favorite quotes from him, race is the modality in which class is lived, right?
You know?
So I, like, take that to heart a lot, man, because it just kind of makes me think about, like, you know, not just, like, yes, of course, like, the racialization of, like, you know, like, especially, like, my family being from the Caribbean, Black Americans, but also just, like, how farcical, right?
In some ways, or not how farcical, I should say, because these sort of separations or designations really do have different material effects on different communities, right?
But how much of it is, like, intertwined with race and class, you know?
You know what I mean?
And how much of it is, how much of it is about, like, sort of, like you said, Tony, is actually a really good example, was that America's lesson to you once you become, once you get a little piece of land, you get the white picket fence, right?
You have the nuclear family.
Once you emigrate to this country, even possibly, right, as my parents did, is to sort of pull the ladder behind you.
But at the end of the day, the most radical organizing that I've seen has been tenant unions and a lot of prison rights unions, which are Majority led by black people, you know what I mean?
Yeah. But that are also trying to enjoin in the fact that like, hey man, like...
You know, like, a rising tide lifts all boats.
Not to use a fucking Reagan quote, yo.
But, like, to say that truly, like, you know what I mean?
Like, if any...
That's why I love sort of learning about Reconstruction, right?
This kind of almost magical time for, like, a racial kind of multiracial democracy, social democracy in the United States, you know?
And this is where the first public school systems were, you know what I mean?
And a lot of public social services were, you know?
Because there were black people asking and demanding for these things.
And of course, these benefits spread out to poor white people as well.
You know what I mean?
So I don't know.
I mean, I guess this post is kind of like, it's kind of like I don't disagree with it, but it also seems to be a little bit kind of fast on some.
It's funny.
The reason why a lot of those things are being led by black individuals is because we have a black tradition in America of organizing because we've had to.
So that's why it's still there.
You know, the thing, you know, unfortunately, the thing about our poster here is, like, I guarantee you they were at a protest in 2000, 2020.
I guarantee you they were at a couple.
You know?
And the thing is, because of the political climate, because of the stakes of things and the stuff like that, because we have a full-blown genocide going on, and not the slow genocide that's been going on in America since it's become, Because we have all these other things that are a little more boombastic.
They forget we're not even talking about black people anymore.
We're not talking about black people anymore and we're still dying at the same rates.
We're still being incarcerated at the same rates.
It's actually only getting worse because it's getting encouraged.
We have full-blown outward racism, not even soft systematic racism.
We're not talking about it anymore.
The thing is, we didn't win that.
We didn't win, so we don't get to stop.
You know, the reason why those things stop is because there was a W. And so it's wild to be in a place in your life where you can trust, you can be like, nah, nah, it's cool, the white libs got us.
That's a wild place to be at.
I could not imagine that.
I could not imagine that.
Yeah, so a couple things, I guess, before we get out of here, but on this same topic.
I see stuff like this, and it reminds me very strongly of the posts that are like...
I think Tony said it.
We've put A lot of people have put this veneer of activism, this historic like often black activism pasted it onto modern Political leaders like Obama or like Kamala Harris.
And so that is a very dangerous thing because it fucks with your brain.
It destroys your brain.
It destroys your ability to actually look at things for what they are because no, I don't think Kamala Harris tried to save us.
I don't think she really tried to save anybody.
I think she tried to throw more people under the bus to save herself and her future of her possible presidency or whatever.
She also had a lot of really bad advice.
Given to her, of course.
But the idea that these political figures, we have to be nice to them or else they won't lead us out of the misery is profoundly liberal thinking.
It's very weird, individualistic, great man theory of politics or great woman theory of politics.
And like, if she were a political leader, she would be leading.
She doesn't have to be the president of the United States to be a political leader.
No, she wants to be an actress or whatever.
She wants to be like an influence or whatever she signed up for after this.
Yeah, so I just, you know, I see it's like a fetishization of a few things, but I think especially of, like, politicians, when they, you know, we shouldn't be fetishizing politicians no matter what, but especially when they don't deserve it, especially when they don't even do the good thing, you know?
But the last thing I'll say is just, like, I just don't, like, know where seated y'all got it.
Like, what do you mean, man?
Like, what do you mean?
I mean, maybe this is just, again, because, like, you know, I mean, I'm a communist, I don't know, but I just feel like...
That, I mean, I don't know, man.
I just, especially living where I do maybe, I just feel like we're enjoined.
All of us, mostly all of us, are enjoined in this great struggle, right?
And the best thing that we can do...
...is sort of bridge differences between us by realizing what is it that most of us fucking do is that most of us fucking go to work and we fucking hate it, you know what I mean?
And we're being alienated and exploited about it, you know?
Not to say again, not to say again that, like, of course, black people have carried a lot of, like, a lot of just, like, done a lot of this as well, but just to say that we're seated, y'all got it, that just doesn't seem like you're interested in any collectivist project to me.
I'm sorry, you know what I mean?
Seems extremely pessimistic at the very least.
At the very least.
There's not a lot to me that's more important to me than my black identity and black liberation in America.
That's something that does power me.
But if it wasn't for class analysis and abolitionist mindset, I would only see Kamala Harris, my light-skinned ass, would only see Kamala Harris as some queen.
And it's like, but because I have those things, I know who she is.
I know what she's not.
I know that the fact that she has melanin doesn't do anything.
It's not, you know, it's not, that doesn't make her a revolutionary.
Magical. No, it's magical, okay?
It's magical.
She has black girl magic, brother.
That's all I would see her as.
If I didn't have, you know, class analysis and abolitionist mindset.
I would only see her as, good job.
She did it.
She made it to this rank.
Doesn't matter what she's doing.
She's there.
She's representing us.
But because I have those things, I know that those things are what's going to make...
It's only through class analysis and abolitionist mindset that we are going to achieve black liberation.
And it's not going to be through sitting back and hoping white people are going to take care of it.
Fuck out of here.
That is the crazy...
I can't get past that.
It's crazy.
Also, again, too, I just want to reiterate, by class analysis, too, I really think that people should understand that race and class are inextricably linked and intertwined, right?
So, like, when people are like class reductionists, no, truly, there are, I do agree that I see weirdo people on the left that can be very much like, oh, well, you guys are pushing people apart by pushing all these different issues.
Yeah, being gay is bourgeois.
Exactly. Dumb shit like that that you really only do see online.
You don't really have to worry about that stuff in real life.
Exactly. You really don't, man.
But again, man, race You know what I mean?
So, I don't know.
This account is a little sus, but, you know, good luck to the posting, I guess.
The last thing I'll say about this specific post is that yes, white people don't know how to organize in this country because most people don't know how to organize in this country.
Yes, black people have led a lot of the civil rights movements in our...
Time out of necessity, like both of you were saying.
However, white people are going to need to organize out of necessity.
We already are having to organize out of necessity.
There is, sure, a bunch of performative liberal stuff.
There is also Right.
Right. Right.
Right. Right,
and it's the way that I feel about talking to reactionary workers or talking to other union members is like, you have to like, and I'm not telling anybody what they have to do.
If you don't want to do this, you don't have to fucking do it because it's hard work and it sucks and it can be demoralizing.
Talking to these people, whether it's A white libizine liberal or a reactionary union member or whatever, you're going to have to eat some shit.
You're going to have to swallow some pride.
You're going to have to get down in the muck, so to speak, with somebody who's got some ugly opinions or ugly beliefs or ugly ways of thinking.
And if you have the tolerance for it, and I'm not saying tolerate bigoted behavior, but I mean...
I think.
talking to somebody like this longer than three minutes or whatever, that's the like part of at least the necessary organizing that's going to need to be done.
And if you can do that, like you should, you should be doing that because I, I strongly believe that's like one of the only, only ways forward.
And I'm not saying you have to make friends with reactionaries or whatever.
I'm just saying like, there are some people that are, that we're still going to have to try and reach.
There are some people that we're still going to have to try and fix their broken brains because their brains have been deliberately broken by capitalism Man, yeah.
Last thing I'll say, man, too, is that my parents are from Jamaica.
And the amount of fucked up shit I've heard from Americans writ large, whether they were black Americans or white Americans, is so fucking insane.
And the shit that I've especially heard, just being a black person in the South, that if I just kind of wrote everyone off, then I wouldn't have this collectivist project in mind, you know what I mean?
If I just decided to ignore everyone who said some fucked up shit to me, and again, you shouldn't tolerate, I mean, there are...
There are a percentage of people in this country who I believe are like actually half fascistic.
You could say America's a fascist country.
They're absolutely dangerous people in this country and part of organizing is knowing, okay, this person's too far gone.
I don't have anything to gain by at least putting myself in it.
Maybe you can still perform for an audience to this person.
Maybe you can still convince other people who are maybe watching this interaction or aware.
But yeah, no, I'm not.
There are definitely unreachable people out there.
We also have to be like, hey, listen, Scott, I understand that you're terrified of that trans girl, but I'm just trying to get paid breaks.
So can we just focus on the paid breaks?
That is a reality, you know?
You still want Scott to try to get the paid breaks with you.
And then maybe when we're all on an actual smoke break talking about this shit together, you can see that this person is a human being just like you, you know what I mean?
And you can also say, hey, Scott, I fucking hate you.
But I need you to vote.
I need you to vote for these paid lunch breaks, okay?
I'm going to use one of those paid lunch breaks to beat your legs.
But I need you to be on board to vote for this.
In the race war, Scott, I got you.
On site, motherfucker.
But for right now, though...
Hopefully no race war.
I joke about the race war all the time, but hopefully no race war.
Seeing as how white people are apparently 7% of the global population, which I learned on Twitter, which for some reason the white nationalists are all bragging about how white people are only 7%.
It's like, then I would maybe stop antagonizing the other races.
I'd have to be hiding Terrace and Tom in my attic during the race war, bro.
Like, yo, don't get the big We're good.
They're cool, bro.
White people are crazy.
I always write my reactionaries are crazy, man, but still, that's very funny.
Yeah. And the thing about, like, I'll just say this, too, about like the outward, like racist project that some people on the right, you know, most of the right wing is pretty racist in general.
But like the out the outward, like white nationalist, you know, that like project that like Elon Musk and J.D.
Vance and Donald Trump are definitely like flirting with and pursuing or whatever.
Like you're not supposed to do that.
OK, because the way you get like racism to actually work is you make it a wink and a nod and like a systemic thing that you don't have to that.
There's no like individual race, quote, racist thing.
You know, you do the like.
Plausible deniability thing.
Because when you come out and start saying white America for white people, you're going to get every normie lib standing with their brothers and sisters willing to die for a black stranger.
You're going to get conservatives even curb stomping Nazis marching in Ohio.
Regular normie conservatives don't even tolerate these.
Yeah, and so it's just another example of a weird, like, political movement that seeks to cut people out of membership, that seems to exclude people, and it's like, that's not how you win.
I don't know what you're doing.
It makes me, I know we're about to close out, but it just makes me think of, like, that post, you know, you had people, like, that were, like, fought, that people that fought, like, fought against Nazi Germany, you know what I mean?
and they came back you know and when these white supremacist movements kind of started It was weird because, like, they would be racist, like, in the way that Americans can be casually racist and casually, like, xenophobic, you know what I mean?
But they were also like, yo, we fought this war against tyranny, which is what they saw World War II as, right?
Not necessarily, like, a fight against the white nationalist ideology, right?
You know, expressed in the Third Reich, right?
But the fact that the Nazis were scum and that these were people that were beneath even, like, I mean, these were people on the boot of humanity, you know what I mean?
Yeah, and the racism was part of it.
Definitely, like, the eugenicist anti-Semitic stuff is definitely part of why people hate the fucking Nazis is because they were psychotic white nationalist race realists.
That's definitely part of it, yeah.
Okay, well, anything else to say before we wrap this up?
Nah, man, just this anti-capitalist league account.
Good luck posting, you know.
I hope you're not feds, but good luck posting.
Please save us, white people, please.
And I hope you guys, I hope that whatever this account is, I hope that, you know, like, I mean, whatever, man, do whatever the fuck you want, but I at least hope that whoever's behind this account is, you know, putting in some work, you know what I mean?
Yeah, I hope they get better soon.
I hope they get the help they need.
We need all the help we can get for this future.
But thank you so much, Aaron, for coming on the show.
Of course, listen to Trillbillies.
Aaron is also a published author.
Why don't you tell people if your book is still available or whether they can get it on Kindle or something like that.
A very good novella?
Yeah, it's really, really short.
It's actually a really, really short story that I was lucky enough to publish.
I think she's in Amsterdam, I think, the publisher.
Very beautiful.
We have a copy here.
Very beautiful book.
Very well written, too.
Thanks a lot, man.
Thanks a lot, man.
But people can, I mean, I'm trying to work on some stuff now.
I'm trying to work on this collection of short stories of weird Afro-futuristic, Afro-pessimistic.
I don't know if people find that word.
Unsavory. But in weird fiction like Octavia Butler, J.G. Ballard are some of my favorite writers.
If people want to check out my Twitter, anything I write and publish, I'll update it there.
I'm at AfroCosmist on Twitter.
Thanks for having me on, guys.
I always love talking to y'all.
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