#613 The Beatles never would’ve done “punk” because they’re like “well, we know more than 3 chords”
TODAY: AP Andy (https://twitter.com/baseprole (https://twitter.com/baseprole)) helps us investigate just what the heck is going on in conservative guys’s heads when they talk about music, first by reviewing shocking basement footage of Bill Maher in a Hawaiian shirt condemning punk music (except for Green Day) And then we catch up with the Daily Wire and their condemnation of both Metal and all Rock n Roll music made after 1958 Does “percussive” music arouse the baser instincts to an irresponsible degree? Does Punk make the blues look like a cross between McCartney and Beethoven? Will the metalhead community ever feel safe in this country? Buy Andy’s book on Posadism: https://redemmas.org/titles/34691-i-want-to-believe-posadism-and-leftwing-ufology/ (https://redemmas.org/titles/34691-i-want-to-believe-posadism-and-leftwing-ufology/) And listen to the Antifada: patreon.com/theantifada (http://patreon.com/theantifada) Leeway- Enforcer (RIP Eddie Leeway)
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but stay tuned guys i love minion death cult but tony is so opinionated He's not even exactly well-spoken or anything like that?
Just kind of close to it?
I'm in the camp that, yeah, Tony is a loud, angry black man, and that's good.
That's good.
I love him.
Yeah, sorry I'm taking up space.
Okay, what's up?
I'm Alexander Edward.
And I'm Tony Boswell.
And we are Minion Death Cult.
The world is ending.
Any music made after 1958 is responsible and we're documenting it.
What's up everybody?
It's your episode for the week.
Got a fun one here today because today we are going to be doing a little mini investigation into conservative guys and their weird opinions on punk and metal.
I saw back-to-back insane conservative opinions on music.
One of them was supposed to be a topic for Death Chat 500.
We didn't get around to it.
And then I saw another one back-to-back.
And so I just, what a great music segment.
And so here to help us talk about the way conservatives talk about punk and metal is AP Andy from the Andy Fada.
What's up, buddy?
How you doing?
Boy, hello out there.
Let's get punkin'.
Yeah, I brought you on because you were the most punk guest I could think to bring on, at least at a moment's notice.
I'm the least punk punk at a punk show, but I'm the most punk punk in the podcast world.
Except for Brace Belden, of course.
He's by far the most punk.
Yeah, I mean, you and I have been to punk shows together, and I would argue in that case, yes, you were the least punk there.
Still at that level, I think.
But still very, very punk.
Very, very punk.
I can't think of anybody more punk.
I mean, I never slept on Brace's couch, so he didn't get any punk points from me for that.
Did you, um... Andy, did you ever ride trains?
Did you ever have a three-legged dog that you would take on ill-advised train hopping rides?
Nah, I couldn't hack it as an oogle.
I tried, but... I'm just a...
I've got the punk soul, but it's a house punk soul, unfortunately.
Oh, that's fine.
Yeah, I've never seen one with an accidental dreadlock.
I don't see that happening.
It wasn't a dreadlock, but I had a stupid thing, like a one bang or something.
It was terrible.
Like a Padawan braid?
Yeah, something like that.
Hell yeah.
I cut it off after like four days.
It's not me, man.
Yeah, the punk lifestyle is a really big commitment.
You have to be willing to obey yourself to a certain degree, I think.
I'm really proud of myself today.
I went to one of those hipster food markets, and at those things, you know, I used to just eat out of the fucking trash because there's all these vegan stands and people buy like a ton of stuff and just eat half of it and just place it on top of the trash can.
So I've had many a meal, but today I restrain myself from doing it.
Growing up.
Good job.
I appreciate that because you're not giving any money to the demonic vegan cause.
So I approve of that.
I approve of veganism, and that's what I actually consider freeganism, is when you get all your vegan food for free, and that way you don't hurt our beloved dairy farmers of America.
One time I claimed I was gonna be freegin', and like immediately after, a friend just dropped the steak at my front door.
Yeah.
And was like, it's free.
And I'm like, that's... I'm not gonna... My dog ate it.
My dog ate it, and he enjoyed it.
He was like fucking with you?
Like he's gonna... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we were like joking about it, and then like the next day, he was like, I left something at your doorstep, and it was literally just a paper plate with a steak on it.
And then you realized you couldn't even be freegan.
That you would rather starve than eat a cow.
It wasn't worth the cool points for me.
It wasn't worth losing the cool points.
Because I wasn't going to go full committal.
I wasn't going to dumpster dive yet.
The clout wasn't there.
So the trade-off wasn't there.
Okay, well, we've heard our opinions about the punk lifestyle, and it just leaves one question.
Are you guys ready to get random?
Can you ever be ready to get random?
I don't think... that's a very good point, Tony.
That's why I love it so much.
That's why I love being random is because, you know, who could keep up?
I forgot that's what this is called.
I totally forgot again because it's so stupid.
Of course, he's referring to Bill Maher's podcast, Club Random.
It's just, it's not like, whatever, New Rules?
What's the name?
What's the name?
Real Time?
It's not like Real Time Affiliated.
It's like his own podcast that he films in his basement where he's built a tiki bar where he can entertain comedians on the other side of it for an hour.
It doesn't look edited at all.
I haven't like watched a full episode of this.
It's pretty gnarly and I saw a clip of it taken out of context so I went I had to go back.
I had to go back to the source here on YouTube and this is Bill Maher talking to Jeffrey Ross and the topic of punk music comes up.
It's important to note that Bill Maher is wearing a Hawaiian shirt and constantly referring to Hawaii in this episode.
I think maybe he's going to go to Hawaii at some point and he's really excited about it.
I mean, this is just a swingers club.
It's called Club Random.
There's like a neon glowing sign with like a martini on it.
He's in a Hawaiian shirt.
Yeah, there's definitely pineapple behind the bar somewhere.
There appears to be a bong on the table or maybe that's the sink.
I think that's the sink.
Okay.
No, well yeah, there's a sink and then there's a decanter of fine liquor next to that as well.
I don't know what you're looking at.
I just love how there's like, the fact that he's 68 makes nothing, nothing about this is now random.
This is actually just exactly what you'd expect in a 68 year old.
Uh, Bachelor's Basement.
Well, I think the topics that come up are gonna be random, Tony.
I don't think maybe it's fair to just look at a still of Bill Maher's dumb fucking basement.
True.
Be like, uh, no, this is exactly what, I don't know, like, a corner of Ikea looks like.
Um... No, I think it's supposed to be like random ideas, you know, and... That's such a good idea for a podcast.
You know, like...
You don't even have to come up with a premise.
It's a fucking genius idea.
You just be like... You could say something like... We're just gonna have a beer and talk about whatever.
You know, and like think about how, how many people that would appeal to, you know, that's like, that's kind of like what we do, you know, it's kind of like what we do in our spare times.
And, uh, imagine, you know, sitting down in front of a computer to watch Bill Maher talk about Hawaii to Jeffrey Ross, you know, it's genius.
Every time I'm hanging out with my bros and we're just having a good conversation about random things, I think to myself, oh, I wish I was recording this.
This would be the best podcast.
Why did no one whip out the Tascam?
You know?
What's going on?
So let's hear their conversation about punk rock music.
Yeah, we're going to have fun in Hawaii this year.
Like Elvis.
Did you see that movie?
Tell me you guys heard that.
Tell me you guys got that.
It's actually so much better us not hearing it the first time because I'm like, oh, you are just saying exactly what they said.
They're like 27 minutes into the episode and Bill Maher already sounds half asleep or half drunk or something.
We're going to have a great time in Hawaii like Elvis did.
You see that movie?
I thought I don't remember the Hawaii part.
Well now I'm wondering, is he talking about the Elvis movie?
Or is he talking about the movie that Elvis was in?
Oh yeah!
The movie that Elvis was in, where he's in Hawaii.
No, Elvis frequently went to Hawaii in real life.
I don't know if the movie touches on that or not.
I think he was just connecting the two things.
He was like, all I think about is Elvis.
That's the music I like.
Oh yeah, that's relevant only because there was a movie made about Elvis last year.
Yeah.
Run it.
It's so good.
Yeah, you see that movie?
Huh?
See that movie?
I haven't seen it.
Not interested?
No, I'll see it.
Right now I'm binging something else, which I think you would love.
Binging?
I like his reaction to that.
The Danny Boyle Sex Pistols thing on Hulu.
Oh that is sick!
Is it good?
Have you watched it?
It's a great show.
Everyone hates it, but it's awesome.
Is it fun because it's bad?
No, it's good.
Oh, it's good.
There's an episode about Pauline who lives in the tree.
I didn't even know she was real.
There's a whole episode about her.
Yeah, okay.
I was reading about her.
She's the one he wrote the abortion song about, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we'll probably get to that in just a second.
I would watch it.
I don't really care that much about the Sex Pistols, but I would watch a Danny Boyle produced miniseries or directed miniseries about the Sex Pistols for sure.
It's probably my favorite streaming show of the last several years.
Hmm, interesting.
We're on a, what's his name, Walton Goggins kick.
Hell yeah.
So we just, we, well we started off on a what's his name kick from Deadwood, that guy, because we watched, or sorry, Deadwood and Justified, because we started with Deadwood And then we followed old what's-his-name, Timothy Oliphant, over to Deadwood.
Really happy we made that move.
Learned all about Walton Goggins.
What a cool guy he is.
Watched all of that.
And then we watched the Fallout series, which he's in, which was pretty good.
And then we are now watching Righteous Gemstones.
Hell yeah.
I'm sorry, I haven't watched any of that media that's been out for a long time.
I haven't watched it yet because I'm binging something else right now.
Yeah, how many episodes are there in the Sex Pistols miniseries?
Yeah.
Like, does it count as binging?
There's probably, like, what, eight?
Like, it doesn't count as binging if you don't finish it in one day, if there's only eight episodes.
Well, I think it's a binge watch.
So, yeah, if he's watching, like, two episodes a day and over the course of a week, it's not really binging.
Exactly.
Yeah, there's been plenty of time to watch the Elvis movie, both before and after that came out.
I'm sure he's going to say something worse than misusing the word binging.
No, Geoffrey Ross is the voice of reason in this.
Critical support to Geoff Ross in his dealings with the hideous man, Bill Maher.
Pistols.
That's punk rock.
Steve Jones from the Sex Pistols.
What?
Oh, God.
Sex Pistols.
That's punk rock.
Steve Jones.
What is that?
That's punk rock?
What is that question?
I guess if there is a definition of punk, yeah, the Sex Pistols are part of that.
He's just mad.
He's like, that's punk rock, huh?
He's like a discharge fan.
He's like too thrusty for sex.
No, they're just a boy band.
They're not punk.
Real punk is not on EMI records.
You gonna tell me how fucking sick the casualties are next, bro, or what?
Oh, let's go listen to some Rancid, dude.
Where'd you get those patches, Hot Topic?
At the mall?
Yeah, having a stylist is real punk rock, my guy.
That's punk rock.
Steve Jones from the Sex Pistols wrote a book.
And Danny Boyle, who did Trainspotting and Slumdog Millionaire, he made a mini-series out of it.
About the early days of punk rock in London.
Punk rock.
It's so cool.
Punk rock.
You should love it.
You're a punk rocker.
I am not.
It's bad.
It's bad.
We're not the music.
I know, but your attitude has always been a punk rock attitude.
This is like Geoffrey Ross's lowest moment.
I've never had less respect for the Comedy Central Roastmaster General Geoffrey Ross.
You're a sir!
You're punk rock!
What do you mean you don't like the Sex Pistols?
You know what?
I'm going to trick him into liking degenerate music by calling him a punk rocker.
I mean, he's right in the sense that a lot of the Gen X punk rockers do suck now, and they do have terrible opinions that I don't want to hear.
I believe Bill Maher loves Screeching Weasel.
Bill Maher loves Green Day, which he goes on to say.
That is where he's at.
And he's talking about American Idiot, right?
Yes.
Okay.
Okay, that's not punk.
Yeah, yeah.
Right?
I believe that.
Well, okay.
One of the things I like about you... Well, then send me the lyric sheets, because the music sucks.
I never thought... Anarchy in the UK!
Nice.
Yeah, I mean, that is really why I like the Sex Pistols so much, is because of, like, how much they spoke truth to power, and, like, how revolutionary their lyrics were, you know?
Like, they sang about anarchy.
You can't deny that.
That they did that.
I don't know.
It's just funny.
You run into all sorts of pitfalls when you're trying to use the sex pistols as your barometer of what's punk or what.
I don't know.
If I was trying to get somebody into punk, I probably wouldn't start with the sex pistols, to be fair.
Nevermind the Bullocks is a straight up banger.
It's good.
It's good.
Post to post.
Submission, the breakdown on submission.
It's so hard.
It's it's it's all right.
It's good.
It's I don't know.
It was it definitely wasn't what I was looking for in hardcore and punk when I was a kid.
It sounded like old man music to me.
It sounded like really corny old man music.
I have an appreciation for it more now, but I would rather listen to like other bands from that era who were, you know, albeit playing probably pretty similar sounding music.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Ramones guy, but that album never fails to get me going.
It's a gateway drug.
It's the thing that you see.
You're like, oh, people with Mohawks actually made some music.
That's a thing that happens.
And you see it at Hot Topic or wherever.
And you're like, OK, I guess I got to listen to this.
I got to figure out what this is about.
And then you kind of just never listen to it again.
I don't know, I'm like spoiled because of like the time that I was born in.
Like I was born in the perfect time to be a music snob.
Totally.
Because like Sex Pistol shit was like being sold at Walmart or whatever at Mervin's when I was, you know, 11 years old.
And I was like, I don't know.
And I had, you know, I grew up in Southern California.
There's a lot of music bouncing around that area and I had the internet.
So I was, I like, I was, I was like, I don't know.
I was disgusted by seeing like sex pistols or like stuff like that.
I was just like, no, I listen to real punk rock.
All right, everybody.
Like the one thing I did know is that like, corporate America does not belong in punk rock.
And like, like you said, the fact that I could buy a Sex Pistols shirt from, from Target immediately was like, ah, this must be suspect.
But then I was like, are they, are they appropriating the culture?
What's going on here?
Um, but yeah, I never really- These were always sold in big stores.
That was kind of- Exactly, yeah.
There's such a breakthrough band.
is that they really did, intentionally, like as a sort of, I don't know, artistic or business stature, combining pop and rock to go mainstream.
And the Ramones tried to do it and failed.
They couldn't do it as well as Sex Pistols did.
But the Sex Pistols were too punk and they like broke up immediately.
Yeah putting that stuff in context it has more of an appeal you know a lot of older bands I wasn't into like I didn't like Black Sabbath at all at first you know when I was growing up and then I learning more about them and sort of hearing them in the context of their time and stuff kind of I don't know.
It definitely shapes it, and you definitely hear, like, what it's responsible for.
But I just... I love his... His criticisms of the Sex Pistols are so funny to me.
Let's listen to them.
Okay, great.
And, by the way, anarchy is stupid.
So, you know, the idea of... No, that's correct.
He's right about that one.
Right, Andy?
- Right, Andy?
- Yeah, definitely.
- Being pro-anarchy, immediately not respecting your work.
If you're a 19-year-old Brit... Yes!
Okay, well that's why we shouldn't let 19-year-olds... Let 19-year-olds... ...control the ideas... Alright, you're right.
That's the only thing he's gonna not let 19-year-olds do.
That's the only thing he's going to not let 19 year olds do.
He was about to say he was, we shouldn't let 19 year olds make music.
He was about to say that, which I mean, we shouldn't let 75% of 19 year olds make music.
He has to really play that one delicately, because he can't say we can't let 19-year-olds make their own decisions, because, you know, I think he's quite fond of 19-year-olds.
Yeah, there's a few models he would probably have to stop calling otherwise.
Yeah.
The Sex Pistols suck.
No one likes the Sex Pistols.
Maybe they have other attributes.
They just started... I don't know, like, like, young kids, like, I don't know, some of the best music in the world has been made by, like, 15 and 16 year olds.
You know what I mean?
Absolutely.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, it's, it's just very, it's, I don't know, it, like, it shows what a fucking bootlicker he is.
It continues to do so in this segment.
Just, just a simple thing of, like, you don't have to be, like, a whole genre of music is stupid, right?
Like, I, I don't know, we all, I kind of learned that lesson, I think, as I hit adulthood.
To not write off entire genres of music just because they're outside of your cultural wheelhouse or whatever.
Especially when they're such a big, popular, and varied genre.
Punk music could mean so many different things.
And it really shows your ignorance when you say things like this.
I think punk music is stupid and that's kind of part of the point of it.
Like when, I think when bands try to get too smart and have intelligent lyrics, like even if I totally agree with it, I think it almost always sucks.
The stupider bands are number one.
They were so stupid and they did it perfectly.
And the sex puzzles were pretty stupid too.
Well, it's funny because speaking of like, you know, the writing off genres, I was listening to an interview with Danny Brown before this.
And, you know, Danny Brown, being the guy who he is, was talking to these other guys about like, no, when you grow up and you mature, you understand that there is something in every genre and you should like try it all.
And he's like, and that's why as a 42 year old man now, I listen to country music and 100 Gecs.
And I was like, and this is Danny Brown saying this and now we have, you know, 68 year old Bill Maher being like, writing off punk rock.
It's like, it's just like, yeah, maturity and age are not relevant.
No, let me let me keep playing this because yeah, he says some other funny stuff.
Okay, he's throwing out a lot of stuff right here.
We'll get back to the Clash.
something that spawned modern they started something that sucked more they started so like the clash and the ramones no no punk rock we're talking about three chords i think i know what punk rock is now maybe they did say i will say this okay he's throwing out a lot of stuff right here we'll get back to the clash we'll get back to they talk about the clash again here uh in just a second i'm I want to touch, I want to tackle the three chords thing.
So he knows enough about music to have heard like the three chord punk pejorative, right?
That, you know, like Green Day or whatever, the pop, pop punk bands or, you know, even like, you know, crust bands and shit through, you know, somewhere around three chords, hardcore bands.
Etc.
Also, like, what, every blues song ever written?
Also, like, every R&B song?
Blues is, like, also known, like, a popular form of blues is also known as CFG blues, which are three chords, which is, like, every blues song you've ever, you can imagine thinking, just, like, popular blues song, and therefore rock song.
It's, like, If you're gonna crit it, like, punk is no more dumb than just rock music.
Like, you have to be an idiot to think that, I think.
Bill Maher's probably into prog.
Yep, I was gonna say, that's exactly, because he's one of those people that's like, oh, if anyone can do it, then why do I listen to it?
It has to be complicated and complex and, like, you have to hear the talent of the shredding or whatever.
Yeah, like, he probably loves Rush, you know?
It's like, that's probably his shit.
And, because not everyone can do that.
I don't think I think you have to like to to be into Prague.
I think you have to have a more curious mind.
I like no, I'm not trying to compliment Prague fans here by no means.
I'm just I'm just saying like you have to actually like search stuff out you like you can't I guarantee what Bill Maher likes is like you too.
Not in a good way either.
Probably like Maroon 5.
He genuinely probably likes good rock ballads, you know?
And then also music that will make his 19 year old girlfriends dance for him.
That's probably what he's into.
You must love the Rolling Stones just by looking at them.
I think you have to.
That's an obligation, yeah.
Yeah, Rolling Stones, they primarily operated on the jazz circle of fifths, I think, is how they did all their frequent key changes in all the Rolling Stones songs.
Uh yeah just and just trying to sound intelligent by using the three chord slur or whatever is just it's unforgivable to me.
He probably likes tool.
Tool.
Oh yeah.
No he would be mad at tool like I don't even think he's cool enough to like tool.
Maybe a perfect circle then because a perfect circle was a lot more accessible.
I think there's a band that started punk rock.
Maybe there's more than one.
Yeah, I'm sure there is.
There's a band I believe started I really want to know what he's going to say.
Oh, did it cut out for you?
God damn it.
I like him starting that out saying, now there's a band that started off punky and then got more rock.
Maybe, I guess there's probably maybe another band like that out there.
I don't know.
Maybe there's another band that sort of started more underground and then Went on to have more mainstream popular success.
Yeah, maybe.
There's got to be another one besides Green Day.
He's talking about Goo Goo Dolls?
Music heads out there will know who I'm talking about.
Punky.
And then became an awesome band who I love, and that is Green Day.
They are so awesome, by the way.
They were way better when they were punk.
Way better!
It's not even a discussion.
Because that is a generational divide.
There's people who gave up on Green Day when American Idiot came out, and then people who were seven years old when American Idiot came out, so it was very influential for them.
Can I tell you where the generational divide is, Tony?
Can I tell you what song it is?
Because it's not when American Idiot came out.
Um, I was, but I know what you mean, but, but it is valid.
Uh, what you're saying.
Yes.
Yeah.
I was looking at, there was some, like, I love that like a lot of, uh, clickbait now has become like, I mean, I guess it probably always was, but like it went, we went slowly from like nostalgia clickbait to like life on a farm was so simple to like the, the normie clickbait now is look what they took from you.
And it's just a list of the top charts from 1998.
And so that I saw that post it's like look what they stole from you or whatever and it's just fucking ass song like butt rock song after but like post grunge like a half of it is post grunge but one of those songs on there is Time of Your Life by Green Day from 1998 and that's that's the turning point for Green Day frankly the acoustic ballad uh that got played on
The radio, I remember hearing that song on the oldies station in like 2008 or 2010 or something and being like, yep, you guys called it.
That's right, it is an oldies song.
It's that thing where, they were the punk rock band.
I remember, I told my Green Day story before, my mom was a victim of the censorship sticker.
She like fell for that for a minute, where like, one of the first keys I ever bought ever was Green Day Dookie.
I was like in fourth, fifth grade.
And then later on, when I was like in seventh grade, my mom had bought me Nimrod, but she read the lyrics first.
Read the lyrics first and she didn't give it to me until I was like much older, which is really funny.
And she was like, you know, there's songs about masturbation and killing your parents for money.
And then they also became, they became the band that they played at every high school graduation.
You're either listing a time of your life or vitamin C. Oh yeah, absolutely.
Like to this day.
So it's like, yeah, that, that you're absolutely right.
That is, that is the divide for them.
I think Nimrod also had that song about how he wants to be a minority.
Don't want to be white minority.
That song?
I think that's American Idiot.
No, it's before.
I think it might not be.
It might be off warning.
It's either off Nimrod or warning.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's either off warning.
Probably.
It sounds like right before American Idiot.
I wish that's why my mom kept it from me she's like this is corny as fuck this is bad this is not they're saying stupid things on this album man and it has that like fake march it's like like that's the whole song is like it is like an ironic Sousa march that sucks so bad so bad I forgot about that song Oh boy.
And aren't they just like marching down a CGI street?
Yeah!
And there's like CGI parade balloons behind them.
I believe.
I think that that's what that music video is.
Just one of the worst music videos you could dream up.
I think there's like, they're like on a CGI float too.
It's so good.
Am I wrong about that?
Were they punk at the beginning?
They would still consider themselves punk.
The best thing a band can do is get themselves banned from Gilman Street and start playing music for grown-ups.
In my opinion.
That's how a band becomes good.
They are so... Well, if that's punk, it's like punk made palatable because they're... They were already a pop punk band.
Green Day is like... You listen to that and it's like pop chord changes, man.
It's all the same.
It's all the same shit.
It's just a different tempo.
So funny.
I mean, like American Idiot and 21st Century, that one.
I mean, the songs are not punk.
I get the punk spirit is in there.
They have great melodies.
Great melodies and harmonies.
In other words, I'm not afraid.
The first song on American Idiot is punk because it's ripped off from a Dillinger 4 song.
Is that the St.
Jimmy song?
No, it's American Idiot.
It's ripped off from Whiskey Coke Noise or something like that.
Oh, I don't know.
Don't know.
Isn't American Idiot, though, the one that has, like, that song about the guy?
They turned that into the musical, right?
My name's Jimmy and I better not wear it out!
Yeah, but the first song on the album is actually good.
Oh, okay.
Oh, that riff.
That's not a good song.
That's not a good song.
It was good when Dillinger Ford did it.
It also, it just sounds like a cheaper version of a Who song or something.
Sounds like a, like a, yeah, just easier, faster, you know?
It's too simple for you?
Yeah, it's only three chords in it.
What a smarmy piece of shit.
They have great melodies, but the cards, the drums, the bass.
Great melodies and harmonies.
In other words, I'm not afraid to make an entertaining good record.
What a crazy idea.
You know.
What a smarmy piece of shit.
What a loser.
Hey, punk rockers, you ever thought about, I don't know, making real music?
Making good music for once?
It's funny because I always wondered whether or not the reason Bill Maher was laughing at the jokes he himself told on Real Time was because he hadn't actually read them until performing them.
You know, like he was caught by surprise by what the writers I might start using that.
I mean, the Beatles never would have done punk because they were like... There are people who are like, the Beatles invented punk.
at least the podcast clips that I've seen.
So that's good.
I don't know.
That's some good information.
- I might start using that.
- I mean, the Beatles never would have done punk because they were like... - There are people who are like, the Beatles invented punk.
- Yeah, they did a tax man.
That's a punk ass song.
You're not wrong.
You're not wrong.
That song sucks, dude.
That song sucks.
That song's hard.
But the energy's good, dude.
You're supposed to say helter-skelter, not tax, man.
That's so... But I think your opinion's better because you're right.
It's like the content of it's more punk.
It's very libertarian.
Yeah, it's libertarian.
Also, back in the USSR, Beatles were kind of like, when they were punk, they were like libertarians.
Right.
That Revolution song, too, which is against revolution.
I know, it's so funny.
Yeah, how many chords do you think is in the average Beatles song, man?
Especially the shit that they were playing in their fucking heyday.
Well, we know more than three chords.
They were musicians, but the Sex Pistols were just literally street punks who learned how to play after they formed the band.
It's not like a good... It's not a good reason to listen to punk.
Here was a project somebody put together to make you mad, Bill Maher.
You should listen to it for fun.
They were part of a movement that was...
It was a reaction.
It was a bowel movement.
They were, they were... See, he laughed.
It was like a delayed reaction.
He said bowel movement and then started to say something else and then laughed at bowel movement.
And then quickly halted that learning curve.
They died.
Well, again, it's very simple, repetitive.
It's it's I get it.
It's a primal scream.
It's OK.
It is repetitive, Bill, but it's also like two minutes long.
OK, so you get like a trade off.
It's repetitive because they're playing it fast over and over again in like one to two minutes.
Every pop song is repetitive.
That's what pop music is, man.
Yeah, I tried to listen to that.
And like every every pop song is repetitive.
That's what pop music is, man.
I don't need to hear the whole album.
Yeah, I tried to listen to that.
I think it's a double album.
London Calling?
Is that a double album?
The Clash?
I know I can picture the the cover.
It's iconic.
Send Denise to the next one.
Jeff Ross is so bummed.
He's so bummed that this is the episode he's on.
He's just like staring straight at just like thousand yard stare and he corrects him and says... What'd you say?
He's drunk and stoned.
He just hit a bowl and he's got a big glass of straight whiskey in front of him.
He's got a 68-year-old millionaire telling him that The Clash is a bunch of ruffians who don't know how to play their instruments.
He's like, what the fuck, dude?
He's like, man, some of my like regular friends are gonna see this and they're gonna be like, I fucking told you Bill Maher's a loser.
I fucking told you and I was defending you.
And oh, dude, he's like, I like how he just had the fact.
Oh, that's actually, that's Sandinista's next album.
Bill Maher has like the worst opinions on every, have you seen all the recent shit that's come out?
Because he, he keeps doing this podcast and has, you know, guests on or whatever.
Um, he just said that, uh, yes, abortion is murder, but, uh, that's why he likes it.
Oh my god.
Not really.
He said yes abortion is murder but it's okay.
We should still murder kids because I hate stupid people or however he did like the fucking Margaret Sanger lib eugenicist meme in front of everybody and I mean you know I when I say nobody when I say like nobody would like these opinions of course conservative Conservatives like hearing these opinions, for sure.
He also was like... Woody Allen was actually cool.
And everybody was a coward for distancing themselves from Woody Allen.
Which, I mean, not distanced enough, really, to be fair.
But yeah, he comes out with these opinions that are just amazing.
Again, pretty smart for him to get people on Woody Allen's side before they really start questioning his character.
Sure.
They gotta stick together.
If you can get people to like Woody Allen, he's gonna be good to go.
Jeff Ross has some similar allegations against him to Woody Allen.
Oh no.
Oh no.
That's the company he keeps.
Well, I mean, that's Sex Pistols punk rock, right?
Sure.
I mean, that's pop punk, right?
That's pop punk, that's classic rock, that's art pop from the 70s.
Double album.
London Calling is one of the best, yes.
Okay, and by best I assume you mean worst.
Got him.
Holy fuck.
By best... By best, do you mean worst?
That's so good.
God.
If he combat rock any day of the week.
How are you?
That's how are you such a nerd where you're scared of London calling?
Is it because is it because there's like too much reggae in there?
Or maybe there's not enough reggae?
Because he is wearing the Hawaiian shirt.
Do you think Bill Maher would be jamming?
I think Bill Maher could be jamming.
I think he probably likes ska, but not the good stuff, like 3.5 wave ska.
But you like Jimmy Buffett?
Oh, he better like Jimmy Buffett.
He's gotta like Jimmy Buffett.
He better like Jimmy Buffett.
He better like Jimmy Buffett.
It does go against everything he's saying as far as chords and all that, but he better like Jimmy Buffett.
You don't like that either?
I'm not sure which of these albums were... London calling from the far away.
Again, not good, but... Sorry, I don't know what you're listening to.
I would definitely take Hall & Oates.
There it is.
Any day.
Hall & Oates have some very good songs.
The way you're dressed, I just think you listen to fat guys who play the ukulele, who play Over the Rainbow.
That's one guy.
It'd be great if that was a genre.
There's like a bunch of that guy.
He was a comrade.
I don't remember his name.
Israel... Yeah, yeah.
That's cool.
Yeah, he was, right?
He was tight.
Yeah.
This is what happens when you, like, contrarian yourself too close to the sun.
Like, you just, you officially can't like anything good because you're such a contrarian that you gotta be, like, No, even that song's not good.
Everyone, maybe I don't need to hear Lennon Calling again because I've heard it a billion times, but you gotta admit, it's a great song.
The Clash aren't even like, I don't know, I don't even listen to The Clash really.
They're a good band.
There's no denying these objective facts, I'm sorry.
He probably would call Joe Strummer a pussy though.
Because I'm sure Joe Strama would be saying some great things right now.
I'm sure he'd have some very correct opinions at this point.
I would hope so.
And it's just like, he probably would hate him for that.
Like, do you think Bill Maher even listens to, like, the talking heads?
Do you think the talking heads are, like, too avant-garde and radical for him?
Do you think they're too weird?
I think he would call them weird.
They are random.
Yeah, he totally would call them weird, yeah.
He'd be like, I'd listen to them if you bought a suit that fits.
Man, we should get that menswear Twitter guy onto David Byrne.
Cut him down to size a little bit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
By the way, it's Israel Kamaka Bivoli, I think is how you say it.
Israel Kamaka Bivoli.
R.I.P.
Yeah.
He's the one who sang, like, Somewhere Over the Rainbow.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what I was saying.
When he said that, I'm like, you're talking about one guy.
Fat guy who plays ukulele singing over the rainbow.
That's a guy.
That's one person.
I don't know.
There was also a group that was of big guys and ukuleles that was assembled by a music manager trying to capture that sound.
So it started a whole movement, started a whole genre of big, big guys and little ukuleles still going to this day.
The rest of the rest of people doing ukulele covers were white girls on YouTube that were like 15.
Fair enough, all right.
Is there any more to this video?
Finished, but one of them is a double album and I remember somebody like you saying you got to listen to this and I remember thinking They couldn't just confine this repetitive shit to two sides of an album?
I have to listen to four of the same, horrible, same song?
I mean, it makes the blues look like, you know, Mozart and McCartney got married, you know?
Mozart and McCartney got married.
It makes the blues look even better than Paul McCartney.
Imagine if Paul McCartney was influenced by the blues.
No, I wish we had a time machine so that Paul McCartney could go back in time and influence blues music.
How the world would look if the Beatles listened to the blues.
Think about how good blues music would be if Paul McCartney influenced it.
You know what I mean?
That's like one of the failures of this timeline, I think.
And Mozart, is he listening to Mozart?
Is that what's happening here?
Is he just saying like, I mean, this guy's clearly... Good, it's Mozart, you know?
Yes, it's like Reddit shit.
It's like know-nothings who still think that they're informed or intelligent enough to like glance at something and get its vibe, you know?
And Mozart, that's an example, or Beethoven, whoever the fuck he said, it's an example of intelligent music.
So dumb, so dumb.
Yeah, it's catching up to me.
The punk lifestyle.
That's right.
I used to be a real drunk punk.
I was rocking the 40 ounce with Leftover Crack in Tompkins Square Park.
Were you?
Were you hanging out with Leftover Crack?
That's cool.
We weren't friends, but I was hanging out with them.
They probably didn't want me there, but... Yeah.
And they're not particularly cool as, like, people.
No.
No.
Who?
A couple of them are.
Leftover crack.
As a band, you know, sure.
Brad Minus is cool.
Oh, and I will say, I guess, you know, my punk cred, you know, I didn't hang out with any of those guys that you're talking about.
I just was in a punk band.
So, I don't know if that counts.
I don't know if that counts for anything, you know.
I was in a punk band with Zach Treats who made that American Conspiracy the Octopus Mysteries show on Netflix.
It was a really good show.
I've heard good things about that recently.
I was briefly in a hardcore band with him.
I got kicked out because I suck at bass.
You got kicked out of a hardcore band while playing bass?
You really suck at bass?
Yeah, but they were, they were, I mean, I do really suck at bass no matter what the level of the band is, but everyone else in the band was really good.
Zach Treats was an amazing drummer.
That's not fair for a hardcore band.
That's not right.
I got no rhythm.
What can I say?
I tried.
You should have listened to more Paul McCartney.
You have to leave the part of where I talked about my punk cred in the episode, Tony, even though it was kind of like natural banter that, you know, just happened in an organic way.
I don't want you to make the mistake of cutting it out.
No, never, never.
Cool.
What's the last concert you saw?
Last concert, that's a good question.
Last concert, maybe the Eagles?
I don't want to go to concerts.
I don't like music that much.
If it's something I've heard because it's been beamed at me while I was in an expensive department store, then sure, I might pay $2,000 to go see that band.
Other than that, I'm not really a concert guy.
He's such a loser.
Eagles.
I mean, like, Eagles is so fucking funny, dude.
That's like sub U2.
That's below U2 in terms of, like, cool music.
Oh, wait.
Well, U2 has redeeming songs and albums.
Well, I think the Eagles have good songs too, kind of, but they're nowhere near as good as, like, what everybody, what level they're at.
You know what I mean?
And their bad songs are bad.
Yeah.
I like, what is it?
Those Shoes?
I think they have a song about shoes that's good.
It's a good song.
And I like their kind of country-sounding songs.
I like Lion Eyes.
I think that's kind of good.
But those songs are repetitive as fuck!
Those songs are like five minutes long!
And they play the chorus four times, you bitch!
I will be leaving in your punk cred, but I will be editing out any type of Defense of the Eagles.
Okay.
Fair enough.
In Bill Maher's defense, he said he didn't like it.
How much did he pay for the tickets, do you think?
Like, 500 bucks each, right?
Easily.
Like, pure resale.
Pure, like, resale box seats, probably.
That's great.
Totally.
Totally.
At Crypto Arena.
Man, I love music.
I love talking about music.
Like, the Sex Pistols.
And Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Also punk.
So punk.
Anthony Kiedis is in this group, by the way, guys, just to let you know.
Anthony Kiedis would definitely be sitting down with men of questionable decisions here, having a beer with them.
For sure.
Well, Anthony Kiedis knows punk.
That was a punk band that got really big.
Right.
Just a really bad one.
Yeah.
That ended in 1999, as we established yesterday on the yesterday stream.
You like Faith No More, Andy?
Not really.
Yeah, I don't like them.
People like them.
I don't like them, dude.
They're too Club Random.
They're too Club Random.
They're too like, what if Red Hot Chili Peppers never got better?
You know?
They're like, what if Incubus didn't find out that Brandon Boyd was hot?
That's what they sound like.
I like Primus.
I think they're on tour with each other.
Primus is on tour with somebody.
If it's not Faith Nomura, I don't know if it's a Mike Patton thing.
Do you like any Mike Patton stuff?
It's just not for me.
It's too like the Mothers of Invention guy.
It's too Frank Zappa for me.
It's more specific than Frank's.
He is very theatrical.
It's definitely the vocals that's the worst part for me.
I think just listening to Mr. Bungle turned me off to any of his stuff, which is not fair.
Right now, I feel like Bill Maher feels when he's hearing about the Sex Pistols as you guys talking about whatever the fuck you guys are talking about right now.
Yeah, well...
Yeah, I don't know.
Maybe if you heard some Faith No More in the 90s you would have given the singer the N-word pass because you thought he was black because he was rapping like Jonathan Davis.
Oh no, I knew Faith No More and then it all fell off after that.
That's Mike Patton.
That's Mike Patton.
I like Tomahawk.
I like a Tomahawk album.
That's like about as much I also bought a Fantomas CD that I haven't listened to yet.
Oh, the Fantomas!
I still genuinely don't know what Fantomas sounds like, but I think they're covering old movie scores or something?
Like Universal Monster or like Bee Monster movie scores or something?
So I'm excited to finally get around to listening to that.
I'll play it for Ani when she's unable to leave the house.
She'll enjoy it a lot.
Maybe your life is so good you don't need that, but for so many people, I'm watching like 30,000, 40,000 people who may have had a rough week.
The whole country feels like they're carrying a backpack lately of just stress.
Depression, to see them go up there and sing about California and L.A.
in front of people living here, it was uplifting.
That is why, yeah, I was such a big part of the R.H.C.P.
scene, is because they just promote so much unity, brotherhood, you know, you watch my back, I watch yours, you go to the shows, and it's definitely like a community, you know, if you're moshing in that R.H.C.P.
pit, And you fall down, like, someone's definitely gonna pick you back up, you know, and just, uh, you know, it's just a community.
It's more than just a band, I think.
When you're there with 30, 40,000 people, it's just, wow, just, that's a big scene.
You can't tell me that's not a scene.
Last time I was in the RHCP pit, a brother reached across and he pulled up my cock sock because it was about to fall off.
Pulled it on up, tucked my balls back into it so it would stay.
And I was like, thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
Because I didn't see it.
I was getting too freaky.
Beautiful yeah it's beautiful stuff and that's why punk music is so important guys.
So that was Bill Maher's opinion on punk music and yeah this is something that I wanted to address we didn't get around to it and then right after that it was Matthias in the Facebook group shared a very interesting video to that group.
So thank you, Matthias.
Sorry if I'm mispronouncing your name.
I've never said that name out loud before.
Is that how it's said?
Does anybody know?
Could be Mateus?
Could be that too, yeah.
Apologies if I mispronounced it.
Okay, so this is a video of Michael Knowles and Andrew Klavan from the Daily Wire, right?
Noted conservative outlet, and the video is called The Problem With Metal Music.
Uh and this has Andrew Clavin's name right next to it and perhaps they thought they were safe um doing a because I'm going to spoil it a little bit uh that feeling when so intelligent criticism of metal music maybe they thought they were safe because like that's how Ben Shapiro got popular he did the same thing against rap music.
He made fun of rap music as an entire genre, and it sort of helped propel him to notoriety.
The problem, though, is there's more white people in metal, and the minute The Daily Wire finally targeted a minority that their base will not see abused, and that is metalheads.
Yeah, so let's go ahead and... It's a huge community, like metal is a massive genre.
Right, it's the silent majority probably.
Yeah.
Yeah, my safe thing to do, because like, you know, people do hand gestures to people to let them know what's up, and oftentimes a peace sign is good.
I think a good safe one to do is, I throw the horns up a lot.
I give them a little...
And then people just know, okay, he doesn't just listen to rappy rap music, he might also listen to some metal music, so he's okay with me.
And I also like to throw the horns up because, you know, it lets you know who's a real one.
Because, you know, if it's somebody who's not cool, they're gonna get scared of your metal horns and think you're putting a curse on them.
Yeah, that's how you filter out the Christians.
So this is, yeah, it's Michael Knowles, I think, who we're going to hear and see first.
He's the younger of the two guys, but this is, yeah, Andrew Clavin's Daily Wire show.
Oh, this is him.
This is the guy.
I forget which one.
I forget who's who.
He's wearing a fucking suit jacket, a button-up shirt, and he's got a martini in frame, in the shot with him, as he's saying that metal is for degenerates.
Percussion.
Music, generally, bypasses the rational faculties.
Music, generally, bypasses the rational faculties.
This is why Plato said you gotta watch out.
This is why Alan Bloom said don't listen to rock music.
And metal, by taking a- Do you know, we know Plato.
Do you know Alan Bloom, Andy?
Do you know who that is?
Yeah, he's a literary critic, I believe.
But this is like, this is some deep, this is like some advanced level racism.
Yes.
Because the implication is that the influence of black music Is what's wrong with rock being popular.
And this is a longstanding, I mean, this is like 50s era, like don't let your children listen to Elvis.
Well, where, just because they're talking about percussion, that's the implication is that it's like tribal percussion or something like that.
It's a dog whistle and I'm, I am hearing it loud and clear.
That's interesting.
I, that would have, I did not notice that, but that makes a lot of sense.
discipline and faculties and speed.
This is why Plato said you gotta watch out.
This is why Alan Bloom said don't listen to rock music.
And metal by taking out discipline and control and melody and harmony for that matter.
And by being- - It's so true.
You know, people don't talk about this, but honestly the way that metal lacks harmony, structure and discipline, it's one of the reasons why I can't listen to it.
And frankly, it's crazy that people enjoy music that doesn't even have melody in it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, by what do you mean no discipline and control?
Do you think that every song is an accident every time it's played?
Did this guy just see heavy metal parking lot and thought that those guys were the music or something?
Like just a bunch of drunk people hanging out?
He's only listening to the boredoms.
That's how all metal sounds.
Also, what did he mean when Plato said you gotta watch out for?
Watch out for what?
Was Plato warning people about listening to... Oh!
He's like, these are lesser forms of human expression because they're representative and not direct like philosophy.
Oh, okay.
Well, I fuck with that.
I like that.
But that's just true of all art.
Yeah, art is bad.
Only philosophy is good.
Plato wasn't critiquing rock and roll.
I think what Michael Knowles brought up about Plato and maybe that other guy, the literary critic, is he's saying something about the transformative... He's merging the two ideas.
The transformative nature of music.
Because he says it can bypass your logical faculties.
That's why it's a danger.
I think he's talking about...
I don't know.
putting subliminal messaging in their music.
I think that's literally what we're talking about here.
We're talking.
He's talking about when you listen to rock music, you want to dance and move your hips and it's sexual and bestial.
And you're not, you're supposed to be in your head and think.
Well, that's part of the subliminal messaging, is making you engage in sexual concord, you know, congress.
I don't mean like literally, like they're putting a message in it, you know, that you play reverse.
I just mean It's, uh, what do you call it?
Subversive ideas are contained in these songs that would otherwise be rightfully, you know, discredited in the public sphere, except they're set to such a catchy fucking melody, you know?
Oh, I see, I see, yeah.
Like, I think that that's what we're talking about here, because it overrides the normal, like, logical bulwarks you have against, you know, leftist or whatever liberal degeneracy.
It's important that when rock music first hit America in the 50s, kids were just hearing it and rioting.
They would go to see Rock Around the Clock and then go smash windows outside the venue.
And it was happening every week for years in the 50s.
It was a real phenomenon.
That rules.
I was watching the Rolling Stones and Brian Jones documentary and it's just, I think I mentioned this before recently, it is insane watching the crowds react to the Rolling Stones.
Like it looks fake.
It looks like there's an A&R rep inserted like a hundred women like planted a hundred different women in the crowd to like literally scream at the top of their lungs and pull their own hair out like i don't know i don't know why that was a reaction to and it's funny because yeah again the music they're playing is fucking cfg blues on a thin electric guitar it's so it's it's so cool it's such a cool time in american history
Now, me, like, I respect this type of racism because, like, I tire every day of people, because, you know, growing up, like, black and hardcore and all that and just having those feelings and this kind of this, like, this ignoring of the history of popular music in general and the important role that black people played in it, black America played in it.
It's very frustrating, and so like, I would prefer them being like, no, it's all bad because it was influenced by black people, than like, oh, you know, this is how a white man plays guitar.
Like, I'd much rather this than that.
Well, it's funnier.
It's definitely the funnier outcome, and Everything here lines up with what Bill Maher is saying about punk.
You know, it's the same exact critique and it's from the same exact place of utter ignorance.
And we'll get to the responses here.
The responses are pretty funny and I think illuminating.
But let me play the rest of this video.
Entirely percussive, I do think, and by being entirely percussive, I do think, I'm with the old fuddy duddies going back to Plato, I think it arouses the base passions and is actually not ever edifying.
Arouses the base passions, so definitely like what you were saying, it makes people want to fuck, it's bad, but it makes people want to be violent, it makes people want to be bestial, like you were saying.
Yeah, it is the path to destruction, I think, rock and roll music.
Here's the thing, I'm willing to dismiss all music after 1958.
Get two years of Elvis in there.
Okay.
See, even Elvis, I think, is too black for the other guy, Andrew Klavan.
But he probably likes bebop.
That's before 1958.
I wonder if he does like jazz.
He might consider himself a hepcat.
Yeah, this is great stuff.
This is like a clip they made.
The problem with metal music, it's too percussive and if you beat those drums, the devil answers.
They got that into a 36 second clip and put it out and thought, yes, sure, that's definitely going to work.
Let's look at comments here.
I like it's just that puritanical mentality, too, where it's like, ooh, I enjoyed that a bit too much.
Probably not good.
Probably not good that I like that.
I should probably never do that again.
So everybody's mad at both Michael Knowles and Andrew Clavin.
Like, the top comment has 8,800 likes, says, Discipline, Control, Melody, and Harmony are the essential foundations of metal.
That's true.
I did take an Intro to Metal class.
We learned all about Discipline, Control, Melody, and Harmony, the four foundations of metal.
Sure, some are a bit more disjointed and chaotic than other sub-genres of metal, but as a whole, it demands discipline and control.
Like this guy, these two guys might have said, you know what, I enjoy intelligent, comedic screenwriting for television, but I just can't stand that Rick and Morty.
They're just, they're definitely less developed.
They're definitely, I think this is like a first draft when we watch these.
It doesn't seem like there's been any revision or any like even thought put into these episodes, you know?
Like that's like the equivalent of what you just did.
You were like, listen, Meshuggah, not even that good.
Not even that good of a drummer, you know?
He can't even do a simple 4-4.
That's like the easiest thing to do.
A very, very funny, very funny tack to take.
And yes, of course it didn't work.
Alyssa Contreras says, I know it's not quote metal, but what about Skillet and reviewing their stuff on Music Monday?
Absolutely a Christian conservative band and said he didn't know they went that hard.
I don't know what that meant.
I've been seeing like a Skillet, like people talking about Skillet again recently, which is so weird because I never thought that they were like, even when I was young enough to be listening to just alternative rock or whatever, I never thought that they were that great.
But there's been like a Skillet revival, but I forgot, I guess they were like Christian, huh?
Yeah, well, yeah, that's why they were popular.
Same thing with like, what?
Oh, no, that's a different band.
But yeah, Skillet, they're still doing like the Christian arena rock circuit, I think.
A lot of good comments here.
See, Michael Jenkins, tell me you know F all about metal music without telling me you know F all about metal music.
More cohesive, I'm just reading parts from this, complex melodies, harmonies, more cohesive and intelligent than pop music.
It is largely understood by those who have never really, you're like, that's honestly like one of the worst things Michael Klavan and Michael Knowles, no, Andrew Klavan and Michael Knowles have done.
Is, like, contribute to the metal musician's sense of victimization.
The metal listener's sense of, like, you're giving them something to actually complain about, and that's kind of indefensible.
Well, it's part of this conservative trend of just trying, of just hating everything that people like.
Yeah.
Like Taylor Swift and heterosexual relationships.
It's that whole thing too where it's like, listen, me and this room of 20,000 people that sold out concert, we're all misunderstood.
All of us are misunderstood, you know, like, and no one gets us.
It's not just like hating something that everybody loves.
It's like hating something that you fundamentally don't understand.
Like, I think that that's the link here between him and Bill Maher and just, I don't know, a lot of conservatism.
uh in in general like i uh i like this metal is the new jazz it requires a lot of time that's so true metal is the new jazz i'm always saying oh move over jazz there's a new genre in town uh chastity falls says wow with so many more important things to discuss you had to go where
Best you stick to what you know and leave metal music topic to the true metalheads.
Metal horns emoji.
Thank you, Chastity Falls, who does have an American flag stand with Texas profile pic, so I guess not a secessionist.
But, Isn't that curious how Michael Knowles and Andrew Clavin had such a strong opinion about something they had no knowledge about?
And not only did they have such a strong opinion, it was really negative and sort of dismissive and reductive of something that I care about, something that I know intimately.
Man, that's awful.
I really don't like it when these guys do that.
I hope they don't make a habit of this.
Extremely funny.
Extremely funny to be like, well, everything you've said about undocumented immigrants being, you know, subhuman mongrels is totally fine, but don't come after Polyphia or whatever the fuck music these people listen to.
Yeah, it's almost like these guys are fascists who want us all to consume, like, boring white bread culture.
Yeah, and it's- Take away everything we love.
It's just, and it's like, it's not even stuff that I don't think they genuinely enjoy.
Like, it's purely like a status symbol.
It's purely a cultural symbol.
Like, he doesn't look like a contented man.
When I look, he doesn't look or sound like somebody who does enjoy art of any kind.
And yeah, that's because, once again, can lead to things like murder.
I would love for Twisted Sister to, to jump out behind him and start rocking and like make him like rock it, like turn on the amp and he blows out the window.
This guy's an actor, right?
Michael Knowles.
Like there's, he's, he's in some like independent gay film playing, uh, playing like a gay romantic lead or like a romantic whatever, uh, character in the movie.
Like, like so much of this, what he's doing right now probably is an act.
Like, his voice sounds fake.
Like, listen to his voice again.
Percussion.
Music, generally, bypasses the rational faculties.
Like, that's fake.
That's a fake voice, you know?
He's trying to do a Buckley thing.
And it's just, I don't know, like, that's, uh, like, I don't, yeah, I don't think you genuinely enjoy any art.
I, like, maybe, maybe you laughed at, like, your anti-trans jokes in Lady Ballers or whatever, but I think that's maybe the level of art you actually engage with, you know?
It looks like someone who would like Steely Dan.
Steely Dan's good.
Does he look like he would like some?
Maybe.
I don't know.
Yes.
It's a guilty pleasure.
It's like, oh, this has drums.
Yeah.
I love the discipline.
And by Steely Dan, I mean, it's fine, but it's accessible, it's non-abrasive.
Steely Dan is definitely not that accessible and definitely can be abrasive.
Steely Dan, they have their really standard sounding pop songs that are very good, but then a lot of their stuff is just...
I didn't know that.
I was doing a bit of a Michael Knowles speaking about something I know nothing about, and I do apologize.
I'm sorry, Steely Dan.
I assume that's the name of the singer of Steely Dan.
Yeah.
I think it's just Dan.
Steely Dan is just Dan.
It's like the nickname.
Steely Dan picked like the weirdest lane to do in jazz rock.
It's like, it's almost like yacht rock, mellow, uh, what's like smooth jazz type stuff, but it's also melodically like discordant.
Like it does actually use like jazz chord changes and key changes and stuff like that.
It's a very weird sound that if you're not, if you're not listening to like their, like Reelin' in the Years, the stuff off Camp by a Thrill, which is like more, which I love.
I love that album a lot.
That's the more like conventional pop, pop rock, pop jazz, jazz rock sounding stuff like Chicago or whatever and then you get the stuff off their other albums like Asia which are more like insufferable to a lot of people I would say.
Is it considered Yacht Rock?
Is that what Yacht Rock is?
No, it's not Yacht Rock.
It reminds me of it.
Yacht Rock is like Hall & Oates kind of stuff.
Like white guy soft rock, like Michael McDowell.
Is that the guy's name?
McDonald?
Michael McDonald, sorry.
The thing is, people who I respect, like, people who I like and respect, like Steely Dan, I was once on a date and the girl was, we were talking about music and someone else mentioned Steely Dan.
I was like, yeah, I just don't know.
I just don't know much about Steely Dan.
I don't know if I, I guess I gotta check him out.
And turns out she has like a lower back tattoo, like a giant lower back tattoo of Steely Dan lyrics.
I totally fumbled that one.
I should have been like, Steely Dan fucking rips.
But instead I was like, I don't know about that stuff.
Did you ask her for advice on Steely Dan?
Because she would have loved that, I would think.
Uh, no.
See, that's what you gotta do.
I tell everyone that.
I'm like, what should I listen to?
And no one's helped me out.
Oh, okay.
Well, yeah, Asia is... I mean, Can't Buy a Thrill is the banger out.
That's like... But it's almost a totally different band.
But that's the one that's got all the great kind of pop songs on it.
And then, like, their singles.
Then Asia is... You're such a band man.
I'm not even that big of a Steely Dan guy.
I don't even know most of their... I just know Asia and can't buy a thrill, really.
But my friends are Steely Dan mans.
And I respect them, you know?
See, that's why I didn't listen to him at first, because I only knew Steely Dan men.
But now I know a Steely Dan woman, so now maybe I'll open up to it.
If you meet a Steely Dan woman, you gotta put a ring on that.
That's a rare prize.
Yeah, so that's why I'm here.
Okay, well, yeah, we ended the punk episode by talking about how cool Steely Dan was.
Definitely mission accomplished.
Yeah, I just think, I don't know, I think these guys are like desperate to achieve or claim some sort of like social, some special status in the social hierarchy.
And so yeah, them shitting on stuff that they couldn't even possibly begin to understand is of course like their favorite way to do that.
And it's, you know, of course metal and punk were going to be in the crosshairs.
So sorry Daily Wire listeners and readers.
I'm sure they'll go back to criticizing minorities and Palestinians real soon.
Again, I do prefer this over... Conservative Values is the new punk rock.
Amazing.
I do prefer Punk Rock Sucks over that.
Yeah, Conservatism is the new punk rock.
I think we thoroughly debunked that today.
Well, I think when people say conservatives are the new punk, it means that they're, like, iconoclastic without being logical.
Like, they're, like, attacking social norms without any, like, sort of coherent thing behind it.
Yeah.
Which, I mean, yeah, that is kind of what punk did.
So they're, like, attracted to, like, the rebelliousness of punk.
Yeah.
But then, it's kind of like when, like, Screwdriver, the Nazi punk bands, it's like the most Nazi bands in the history of punk, but they couldn't help themselves.
They covered Johnny B. Goode.
Yeah.
He, like, fucks up the solo at the beginning.
Oh, I wouldn't, I wouldn't know.
I've never listened to, I've intentionally, I think, I think it might be a bad person if you listen to that band.
You should try to find, it's probably banned on YouTube, but you should try to find the video of him playing Johnny B. Goode.
And before it, he's like, This is a song by Chuck Berry, but fuck Chuck Berry!
And then he botches the opening solo.
What a piece of shit.
Are there any, like, National Socialist black metal bands I should listen to, Andy?
Well, unfortunately, Burzum is the best black metal band, and they're Nazis.
No comment.
It's none of my business.
But yeah, I don't like black metal for that reason, but Burzum is hard to deny.
Yeah, the idea that like conservatism is the new punk rock because they're just, you know, reacting to the, I don't know, like, slow liberalization of cultural norms, right?
That's like the kind of their biggest...
Pet peeve or whatever because they're being contrarian to that or they're you know reacting against that they think that just having the reaction in and of itself is is punk rock somehow and also you know we didn't we didn't get a chance to talk about it
um but there's been like there's been this attempt to retcon uh lgbtq people out of punk rock by uh you know dipshit conservative modern punk rockers who like you know work for these conservative companies somehow like Um, you know, like that guy you sent me, Andy, from Louder with Crowder, uh, who was like, you know, keep the LGBTQ out of punk rock or whatever.
Uh, like that guy posted, I went through his timeline and he posted a photo of his fucking CDs and like the most, the most punk CD there was like Lagwagon, I think.
Wow.
You know, it was like, it was like all fat records.
And then like Nirvana and oh, there was a Stained album in there, man.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's like... Sure, there's always been punk rock reactionaries.
There's always been punk bands like Screwdriver, like you said.
There's always been bands, you know, the odd punk or hardcore band that Israel, like, fear, you know?
But there are some of these big bands that do... Or the Ramones.
Or the Ramones, that, like, put out conservative... that are just conservative entities.
I mean, the Sex Pistols have an anti-abortion song on that album.
It's not exactly anti-abortion, but it's not nice.
It's calling abortion murder the whole time.
The whole time he's calling her a murderer.
Check out the lyrics again.
It's a little bit different than that.
And also watch the episode about it.
I will actually, I do want to watch that Hulu series.
But what I'm saying is, like, even good hardcore bands or punk bands can have, like, a bad song here or there.
Every hardcore band from the 80s does.
Name a hardcore band, I'll tell you their bad song.
But those are the exceptions.
Those are overwhelmingly the exceptions of all punk rock, right?
Like, that's just an objective truth, right?
But you can also say, The punk that I was listening to was overtly anti-war, was overtly anti-capitalist, was overtly anti-racist, was like this is shit that I've been listening to since I was like 13 years old before I even like identified myself as an anti-capitalist or whatever.
That is what like the punk music that I listened to.
I don't know what the fuck you were listening to because were you just like only listening to white minority?
Were you only listening to like The songs about Agnostic Front beating up illegal workers.
What the fuck did you think was happening in punk rock?
What were you listening to?
And it's like, even if there was conservative punk rock or conservative songs in punk rock, they weren't good.
They were the exception to the overwhelmingly positive, and you could argue politically, culturally, left movement that was punk rock, that is punk rock.
Well, I mean, it's a genre of mostly white guys expressing themselves, and some of what they say is good, some of what they say is bad.
But what this Crowder guy, I don't remember his name, said was that there were never queer and trans people in punk, and it's like a new phenomenon.
I assume this is going on everywhere, but like the punk scene in New York now is incredibly queer.
There's a lot of trans bands.
They're really good.
Yeah.
So maybe he's got kind of a whiff of that, and that's what he's talking about.
Just in a hardcore genre, there's like a ton.
Look, Jane Country was there from the beginning, a trans woman.
The New York Dolls were playing in gay bathhouses and dressing as women.
It's simply not true that there weren't queer and trans people at the beginning of punk.
Yeah, there's nothing more punk rock than rigorously policing gender norms.
Yeah.
Right?
Like for all your talk about like, well now the rules are reversed and now it's like the conservatives that are the outcasts and culture and it's like well that was always the fucking case ever since there was like Some sort of freedom of expression in this country.
Yes, the punks were the gender benders.
You didn't like them back then because they were doing that stuff.
Kurt Cobain upset your parents because he wore a dress on stage performing.
Fighting a Nazi was like a rite of passage.
They were around, but they weren't Allowed to stay, you know?
That was a good thing, to get rid of that.
Oh, it always has been.
It's just like, you don't get credit for being like, well now trans people are slightly more accepted.
There's still a minority in this country, a strongly persecuted minority.
But because they're slightly accepted, it's now okay for me to have the same feeling about trans people that conservatives did.
30 years ago.
You know what I mean?
Trans acceptance hasn't reached the level of where we're putting the trans Bible in schools.
You know what I mean?
I don't know.
It's pretty transparent.
The trans Bible, Stone Butch Blues.
That would be a good trans Bible, I think.
Could be.
I mean, I definitely think we should decide what the trans Bible is.
But yeah, okay.
Well, thanks again, Andy, for joining us, of course, from the wonderful Antifada podcast.
And also a writer in your own right.
Why don't you go ahead and promote your stuff while you got some listeners here?
Sure, check out the Antifada.
Check out my book, I Want to Believe, about Posadism.
Great book.
I was Space Prole on Twitter, but now I'm Base Prole, because I'm writing a book about baseball.
Oh, shit.
It's not going to be out anytime soon, but yeah, you can follow me on Twitter for left-wing baseball stuff, mostly about the Mets.
Let's go, Mets.
And I'm very excited for that.
I'm very excited for that book to come out.
I'm excited that you're the one doing it.
I think that's very cool.
There's a chapter on the Dodgers.
Hell yeah there is.
The Brooklyn Dodgers.
Sick.
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