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I wanted to start off this episode by giving everybody an update on UPS Teamsters negotiations.
UPS, of course, being my employer, Teamsters being the union of which I am a member.
We have until August 1st is when our current contract expires.
So a little over a month until things get crazy.
Yeah.
Our current president, general president of the Teamsters, Sean O'Brien, has said that we're not working without a contract.
So come August 1st, if we do not have a tentative agreement, Between Teamsters and UPS UPS will force a strike.
Yeah, hell yeah.
So, they just finished all non-economic negotiations.
Everything except compensation, money, vacation time, paid holidays, that sort of thing.
Stuff to do with safety, stuff to do with eliminating subcontracting, stuff that will help us Help us secure more full-time positions.
Stuff that will put AC in future package cars.
All of those agreements are tentatively done, essentially.
We began, you know, there's also a good video.
If you're a Teamster, if you're a UPSer, if you're just curious, on the Teamster's YouTube page, there is a short video, 35 minutes or so, with Sean O'Brien and other members of Teamster's leadership, including rank and file members who are sitting in on these negotiations as representatives of rank and file members like myself, which is very nice.
There's a video of them going over everything that they have secured in the non-economic bargaining process.
There's a couple Q&As at the end that are interesting.
Somebody asked a question about wage progression, which wage progression is what it sounds like.
It's basically if you get hired on as a full-time employee, your wages are something for the first year, then there's something for the second year.
I want to say there's a five-year progress.
You know, I've been a full-time employee for eight years under a different contract, and it was a four-year wage progression, meaning you had to wait four years to get the actual full-time top rate is what it's called.
I think it might be five years now.
Even four years is too long in my mind.
That's, I mean, it used to be six months.
It used to be.
I didn't know it used to be like that.
That's wild because I've always known for you that it took four years.
You know, and you've always been very clear about like, oh, I was lucky enough to do this for four years to get to this point.
Well, then it took me nine years to go full time.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Once I went full time, it was like, you know, once I decided to go full time, it was like, OK, I can wait this out on 20 bucks an hour.
Because I was already making that as a part-timer, because I had been there for nine years.
So anyway...
Sean O'Brien revealed that they're trying to get that down to two years in this contract, which I hadn't even heard about.
I didn't even know the wage progression was up for debate.
That's pretty cool.
That's a big ask.
That's a lot of money.
It's a lot of money that UPS has been saving over the years, not having to give people their full wages for four whole years.
So, very interesting, very exciting to see.
They went into economic negotiations with UPS last week and submitted their proposal, submitted Teamster's proposal for what they're calling like The best, most robust, and most expensive labor contract agreement in union history.
A lot of big talk coming out of the new leadership and the Teamsters, and I appreciate it.
Aim high, is what I say.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, especially considering, you know, what we're going to get into right now, just like, you definitely should aim high the way that they're aiming low on this The company.
The economic part.
The company, yeah.
Yeah, the company, yeah.
So they went in there, they submitted their proposal, and then UPS submitted their counteroffer, which caused the entire Teamsters delegation to walk out.
They called it an insult, they said it was disgraceful, it was insulting to the members, and then they walked out.
And when I saw this, I was like, oh...
This is just like a, you know, theatrics for, for negotiating purposes.
And I back it like, yeah, yeah.
You know, fuck you pay me this sort of thing.
Don't insult my, don't, don't insult me by submitting, you know, this, that we're worth, uh, less than, than this.
Um, and then I saw what UPS proposed.
This was leaked.
And shout out to The Upsurge Podcast, which is, I believe, covering UPS stuff.
I think they're affiliated with In These Times and The Real News.
Are you sure it's not pronounced the UPS urge?
It might be the UPS urge.
The UPS podcast, right?
That UPS urge to offer your members a pay cut after historic profits.
That classic UPS urge we all know.
So this was leaked.
This is allegedly UPS's Counter-proposal and it is staggering it is like breathtakingly bad Insulting let's let's look at some of it This is the market rate adjustment.
It's UPS wants the ability to alter employees wages whenever they feel like it to attract Better employees and then take away that market rate adjustment when they feel like it.
It's what they did during COVID.
They started paying preloaders $6 more an hour to get them in the door.
And then like six months later, preloaders just looked at their check and they were making $6 an hour less without any notice.
I know there's probably mixed feelings about that.
I wouldn't, you know, if I had low seniority, I wouldn't mind working a Sunday through Thursday shift or something like that.
I think With Amazon as competition, I think FedEx also might deliver on Sunday.
It's something we might have to do as long as it's done on seniority and people aren't being forced to do it outside of seniority.
Because right now they're forcing six days on people Uh, who don't volunteer for extra work, you know, we're getting forced overtime every day because I don't know if you, if the listener may not know this, if you go out in a UPS package car, you just, you don't finish, you don't finish until all the boxes are gone.
Yeah.
You deliver everything in your package car unless, uh, you reach the 14 hour DOT limit where you're, it's illegal for you to drive anymore.
So they're sending people out with 12-hour days every day and then they're making them work Saturdays.
They're trying to make them work Saturdays too.
That's something we're trying to get rectified in this contract.
But yeah, right here, so the elimination of what's called a hybrid driver is a goal for this contract.
The hybrid driver is the 22-4 classification driver, and what that is, is It's a driver that supposedly, theoretically, works four hours inside the building, loading trucks, unloading trucks, sorting, doing whatever for four hours, and then gets into a package car for four hours and delivers packages.
And this was a bone of contention when it was introduced in the previous contract.
And it's because for one thing, they're paid less.
I mean, that's the big thing is they're paid less than a regular driver.
So you're creating a cheaper full-time position, a full-time position that doesn't get the benefits of previous full-time positions, and then the company ended up doing what we all said they would do, which is using those hybrid drivers as full-time drivers.
Yep.
So now they just got a cheaper driver.
Now they just got a driver that they don't have to pay as much as a regular driver.
Uh, bad idea.
Bad idea.
If you want to keep offering, if you want, if your union wants to keep, uh, representing full time jobs and careers.
Um, so Our demand is to get rid of that classification altogether.
No more 22-4 drivers, no more hybrid drivers.
According to this leaked economic proposal from UPS, they did eliminate the 22-4 drivers, and I guess we'll see what concessions they're expecting to get from us for doing that.
I think that might be the source of these insanely insulting offers.
Yeah, wild stuff.
Yeah.
So we get down here to wages.
Wage increase as follows, split equally between August 1st and February 1st.
So not only is there like a top rate, Full-time employees also get, like, a modest wage increase every year on top, you know, to keep up with inflation, you know, to recognize your years of service with the country, with the company.
The way the submitted wage increases here are 55 cents a year.
That's far from what it used to be.
It was like a dollar every year.
Yeah.
Something like that.
That's wild.
Yeah.
And not only that, it's split.
So your $0.55 raise is going to come in two $0.275 increments.
Nope.
Through 2023.
Yeah.
That just means you're going to be pissed twice a year instead of the one time a year.
Yeah.
Okay.
So new full-time employee wage progression and elimination of move to existing top rate.
Okay.
So my top rate now is $40, $40 an hour, which people are hearing that probably for the first time.
And they're like, Oh, that's crazy.
That's nuts.
So you're a delivery driver and you make $40 an hour.
And it's like, yeah, because I'm in a union.
Yeah.
Like that's how you, that's how you get that.
Yeah.
That's kind of the whole point.
That's kind of what, uh, this, what we're doing, what you're doing right now had to happen a few times to get there.
Yeah, and if anyone's doubting the value of my labor, they can look at how much money we made UPS last year.
A hundred billion in revenue.
Record profits from this company during COVID.
And yeah, it was we who did that.
It's so wild hearing billion and then hearing revenue afterwards.
You know, like that's, that's so much money.
So they want to cut future driver's pay.
I don't think that this would affect me because I'm not a new full-time employee.
I was already hired under a different contract, but this is what the future looks like for my industry, for my Teamster siblings.
The top rate $32 an hour.
So cut down by $8 an hour.
And then the wage progression is also looks to be lower throughout its increments.
Full-time inside wage progression.
So if you're lucky enough to have a full-time inside job, which there are very few, they want to start you at $17 an hour for a union full-time job.
That's wild.
And like, it's like a laboring, a laboring union job.
One where you do have to like, you know, get, get your back broken a little bit, you know?
Yeah, you're getting dirty as hell.
You're loading thousands of pounds of packages a day, or you're unloading thousands of pounds of packages a day, or you're reaching across a five-foot belt to grab 30-pound packages and pull them towards you, or push them away from you, and you're doing, you know, 500 of those an hour.
And it's probably hot as fuck.
Yeah, eliminate, they just want to eliminate top rate.
That's so, it's so crazy.
Um...
Yeah, the part-time employee progression would be the same, would be $17 an hour.
Part-timers have been really neglected by the union.
I've said this a bunch on the show, but part-timers have been kind of failed by previous contracts and getting part-timer pay up Has been a goal.
I've seen Sean O'Brien say this with his, you know, I've seen these words come out of his mouth that part-timers deserve a big, big raise and that's what we're fighting for.
That's one of our strike issues.
That's one of your main ones this time around, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is the most insane one, though, to me.
Okay, so we had a COLA, we had a cost of living adjustment measure in the last contract, which says, you know, if the cost of living goes up, then we get a modest raise.
It was like 80 cents or something like that.
They have now, UPS has now proposed a reverse cost of living adjustment.
Wow.
They've proposed a reverse formula to apply in the event of a deflation.
So suddenly, oh, suddenly your money's better now, your money's worth more now.
OK, well, then we're not going to give you as much when we have like another like housing bubble, you know, blow.
Yeah.
They're going to be like, oh, yeah, well, now, well, you don't have to pay as much anymore.
That's so insane.
Hey, let us change your let us cut your wage.
We can all agree to that.
We can all agree that that's something some good.
Listen, I know that I know that you had to sell your house because you got foreclosed on.
But now, you know, those other foreclosed houses are not as expensive as they used to be when they were first sold.
So now you can try again with less money because we're going to give you less now.
Yeah, this is staggering.
Staggering stuff.
I mean, we made record profits for this company during COVID.
We delivered people's entire lives to them during a mass pandemic.
I was working 12-hour days for two years.
Delivering medical supplies, delivering food, delivering, you know, just people's entire lives.
Anything you ever needed to buy was delivered by a UPS driver.
And the company profited hand over fist.
They fucking made record profits.
And it's our contention as Teamsters that we earned some of that money.
Mm-hmm.
And we're demanding it.
If they fail to see that, then yes, they're gonna put themselves on a real bad strike come August 1st.
Yeah, I remember like at some point just being like, oh wow, it's just it's just the holidays for you all the time now.
It was.
Yeah, absolutely.
It was peak season for two years.
For two years, yeah.
Yeah.
So I like what I'm hearing in the Teamsters group like you always hear some You always hear a little like what do you call it?
Defensiveness or Uncertainty from union members when we're approaching these negotiations because they're worried about keeping their jobs or they're worried about paying the bills during the strike.
We've been warning members about a strike for the last year.
Save your money.
You know, if you're a full-time driver, if you're at top rate, you make good money so you can afford to save it.
Part-timers, of course, are going to have a harder time doing that.
Or people that are, you know, not as far along on the full-time progression.
But it was always, you know, a reality.
You know, you see some people who haven't really been paying close attention cast doubts on the negotiation process because we haven't seen the economic side of it yet.
So you get like Monday morning quarterbacking for stuff that you don't even know is going on unless you're actually paying attention with by following the Teamsters app, which I highly recommend getting the UPS Teamsters app.
They give updates almost every day or like watching those webinars that I talked about and especially going to your local when your local has meetings about the contract or when you're like we're going to be doing practice picketing here pretty soon.
So you got to attend all those meetings, especially if you want to have some opinion about how things are going.
It's nice to see what leadership is saying and it's nice to see what.
What page everybody is on because that inspires confidence at least it didn't me, you know, I'm I'm skeptical of these negotiations.
I saw how the last contract went down So it's I feel like this leadership team has been extremely communicative But you have to actually seek it out.
It's not it might not necessarily be put in front of your face on Facebook Whatever group you're in that also has members of management trying to stir shit up.
But after this leaked, there's like overwhelming solidarity in all these Facebook groups and just like aghast, just like a shocked silence at seeing what UPS would do to us.
If we didn't have the, I mean, they would probably do even worse than this if they didn't have the union to deal with, but this is what they want for us.
And I think it kind of crystallized in people's minds, like why, why we are fighting so hard.
Yeah.
It really kind of, uh, I mean, we've always been aware of the power unions, how important they are, but it really kind of like sealed it.
Like one of those things that kind of sealed it for me was seeing the, seeing the union's response to this and seeing the, you know, the people who are in the response to this.
Cause when I first was reading that about how insulting the offer was, I was like, my first thought was, Well, fuck, I mean, so many companies done this before, and there's nothing you can do about it.
And then I was like, oh, never mind, that's the whole fucking point.
That's the whole point of all of this.
Is that you can do something about it.
And they really, you know, like, the instant response I saw was a lot of just, um, oh, they're doing this to, uh, to kind of, so we can meet in the middle, which is gonna be not, it's gonna be a little bit, you know, tiny bit more for them to do now, but that's not what we're asking for.
We're asking for a lot more.
And everyone had, like, confidence in it.
And it's like, cool, so we got, yeah, we gotta strike over this, you know, this is where it comes from.
And to have that feeling and to have that power is so incredible.
I've been part of so many jobs where they can just say, oh no, we're paying you less now.
You know, oh no, we're doing this or that.
And you're powerless completely.
And to see people have power still while dealing, while countering this is really incredible.
It's very nice to be part of a union on a day-to-day basis because you see its effects just in the way you're treated at work.
You see its effects in the tools that are available to you to handle when there is an issue at work.
But I've never seen a strike.
I've never been on strike.
I've been a Teamster for 17 years and we haven't struck since 1997.
So this will be a very interesting thing to see if it happens.
I don't want to strike.
We don't want to strike.
We would rather have UPS be a good faith negotiator and willingly give us what we feel we've earned over the last five years.
But if it comes to it, it's going to be crazy.
It's going to It's going to be like nothing we've seen in a while.
And a concern that I've heard, or like not even a concern, you get a lot of blowhards in these Facebook groups who just tell you what's going to happen.
And you get a lot of people saying, oh, Biden would never allow a strike.
The government would never allow a strike.
Remember what they did to the rail workers?
Remember what Biden did to the rail workers?
He imposed the contract on the rail workers.
They couldn't get their sick days.
He's going to do that to UPS workers.
He's going to do that to Teamsters.
It's it's a very it seems to me on the face of it a very stupid thing to argue but thinking about it opened up like a couple interesting ideas.
So my first response to that is railway workers are under the Railway Act therefore Congress can legally impose a contract on them.
That's why they were able to do that with the railway workers.
Now I have a sign on my window at home that the Teamsters gave me that says, unavailable to work on August 1st if we don't have a contract.
The only way that Biden could force us back to work, what are they going to do?
Send the National Guard?
Yeah.
To everyone's house?
Fucking frog march us into a package car?
Like that's not going to happen.
The only way that they could do this is by Biden calling up Sean O'Brien and they talk.
They're in communication.
Biden calling up Sean O'Brien and telling him to back down.
Yep.
And I don't see that happening at all.
Sean O'Brien's a new president.
This is going to be a big test of his leadership skills.
It's going to be a test to see if, if he backs down from this rhetoric that he's talking about, about how hard we're going to fight for our, for our stuff on this contract.
And, uh, if we go to work on August 1st and we don't have a contract, I'll, I'll be genuinely shocked.
It does like from what, from everything I've heard Sean O'Brien saying, He recognizes the moment we're in as a class, as a working class of people.
The stuff that I've heard come out of this guy's mouth is inspiring and promising because he talks about a labor movement.
He doesn't just talk about UPS Teamsters.
He's talking about wanting us to set an example for the rest of the labor movement.
He's, I think you could fairly call him like a militant or a radical within the union.
I think so.
I think, you know, I hope that some of those clips of him, you know, being, you know, the attempted grilling from that one senator, make the rounds again.
Like, that was a good example of how much he means it, you know?
Yeah, I don't see him backing down.
He would lose any credibility.
He would not be Sean O'Brien anymore.
He would be a totally different person.
The only other thing that Congress could do, Congress could try and pass a law saying it's illegal for UPS Teamsters to strike.
And in which case I would strike on principle.
I don't, like, I don't, I don't, I don't see this playing out.
The only way that they could avoid Biden or the powers that be could avoid a strike is if they went to UPS and said, UPS, you need to accept this contract.
You need to get back to work because you handle 6% of the GDP or whatever it is, you know, too big to fail.
So you need to accept this, bite the bullet and do it.
And I don't, I don't know because UPS is a shareholder owned company.
It's they're, they're a publicly traded company.
They're answering to shareholders on this.
Um, and that's why you get these ridiculously insulting proposals from them because it's like, Oh yeah, we'll meet in the middle from this.
And it's like, Ooh, you probably should have picked something a little higher that didn't make us all real mad because now it's going to be a lot harder.
It's gonna be a lot harder for you.
This also speaks to the importance of, there is this misconception that you get a union, everything's going to be perfect.
But there are some stronger unions than others.
And I think the Teamsters are one of the ones that I think you really can count on.
And that's...
That's pretty important, you know, just not to get lost on it, because I think that some people do think like, okay, cool, we, you know, we got the petition, we got enough signatures, now we're a union, now we can just do it.
But they have the history, they have the lineage, they have the, you know, the reputation to actually do this, and I think it's really important that it's them.
That that's who you're part of for this moment that is going to be such a. Under the microscope, because everyone does deal with UPS, you know?
Yeah, well, there are three hundred and forty five thousand of us.
That's just UPS Teamsters.
That's not Teamsters at other shipping companies.
That's not Teamsters at other warehouses.
That's just UPS.
Those are the members.
We are the 345,000 people that will hit the streets.
On August 1st if we don't have a contract, and that's not counting any sympathy strikes that might also take place.
It's going to be crazy if it happens.
But even though we're a big union, we had to fight to get to this point because Leadership, even maybe even especially at big unions, can become complacent, can become friendly with the company, can become just simple business unions where they just do a handshake deal with the company.
And we'll hammer out the details later.
That's one of the reasons for the August 1st deadline is because our last contract We were working, I don't remember the exact number of months, we were working like a year after the contract deadline.
We just extended the previous contract for however many months it took for them to do little minor alterations to the contract that we voted down.
We, you know, I've said this before on the show, we voted down the last contract and leadership forced it through.
We had to fight to change the Teamsters Constitution, to remove leadership's ability to force a contract that we voted down, and then we had to elect new leadership, which we did in O'Brien.
This is the efforts of reformers within the union.
This is the efforts of Teamsters for a democratic union of which I am a part, which is an organization within the union fighting for more militancy, fighting for Better representation.
And that's why I'm willing to give O'Brien the benefit of the doubt.
I like what he's saying.
I like where his head's at.
I like what we got in the non-economic part of negotiations.
And so I'm very eager to see him live up to the lofty goals he's set for us.
And actions speak louder than words.
And I'll be the first to say, You know, if it falls through.
But I don't know, I'm pretty optimistic about that.
We might have to strike, but I'm optimistic about this upcoming contract.
Yeah, and right now you have no reason not to trust him, which is good.
Because, like you said, the efforts that have happened before is why he's there in the first place.
And he hasn't let anyone down yet.
That's the cool thing about, like, I guess the solidarity that comes with it, you know?
Yeah.
I hope he doesn't disappoint.
I don't think he will.
I feel good about it.
Yeah, so if anyone wants to help or show support, just get the word out.
When the issue of UPS and Teamsters strike comes up, tell them that we don't want a strike, but this is the kind of stuff we're dealing with with the company.
Mention how much money UPS made during the pandemic.
Record profits.
How little part-timers make, make like 15 or 16 bucks an hour.
Part-timers are the ones handling all the packages, getting those packages to my truck.
UPS is like 60% part-time employees.
Yeah.
They're like everybody inside the building, at the warehouse, at the hub.
Almost everybody is part-time there.
Anyone who's listened to the show long enough knows how much that affects your job, and how important it is for your job.
We've all heard you have to talk about, like, oh yeah, I had to completely repack my truck.
But then again, they're also, you know, paying these people nothing.
Right.
And not giving them any benefits.
So, of course, and they're not here long enough to learn how to do it, right?
So, of course, it's not gonna be done right.
No, anybody who cared about doing a good job fucking quit to go get paid five dollars more by working at Target or whatever.
Like, you can't, like, there's a reason if you're a driver and you're complaining about your load or whatever, There's a reason that person is loading your car.
It's because UPS is so desperate they can't fire them for doing an awful job.
It's not the part-timer's fault that UPS won't pay for good labor.
Good labor ain't cheap, people.
So, yeah, let people know what UPS made, let people know what UPS is paying part-timers, and let people know what they just proposed to do to us here at UPS.
And also, if you're a UPS customer, you know, if your business gets UPS shipments or pickups, you can call 1-800-PICK-UPS.
P-I-C-K-U-P-S.
And tell them to give us a fair contract.
Tell them you like your delivery driver, they're a hard worker, and UPS needs to do right by them.
And anybody can do that.
If you've got a driver you like, if you've got a UPS employee that you like, call 1-800-PICK-UPS and tell them to do something for us.
And I've got some news for you.
If you're listening to this show, you've got a UPS driver that you like.
You know, there's a good chance.
There's a good chance you got a UPS driver that you like.
At least one.
A lot of people could be just listening for you and tune out when I talk.
That's true.
They've been skipping forward over this labor bullshit.
Yeah, all right.
All right.
All right.
So it's still Pride Month, folks.
And we got to devote at least one segment here to some Pride Month material.
And so we're going with this tweet from Lori Kaufman, who says, who tweeted, Guy from Bain just praised trans for two minutes straight and then said he hated the U.S. government and then said he wanted to wipe his ass with the American flag.
Bye Bain, leaving early.
Um, you mean Bain?
Like Bain, like the band?
Yeah.
Fuck yeah!
Fuck yeah!
That fucking rules!
I'm getting an urgent transmission.
This was the Bane singer's response.
WALK RIGHT OUT THAT FUCKING DOOR!
THIS ROOM IS GROWING COLD WITH YOU!
THIS ROOM THAT IS MY HOME!
It's so refreshing to hear something like this because so many bands from that era that we like that we like love so much, you know, they disappointed us a little bit or a lot a bit sometimes.
And it's like, fuck off, Lori Coffin.
We don't we don't we don't need you.
That's so fun.
Bye, Bane.
Wow.
I didn't know this was a didn't know this was a trans rights rally.
It's a hardcore show.
OK, shut up and shut up and play.
Yeah, that's so funny.
Poor Lori Kaufman doesn't realize that she very well does, like, if she continues going to hardcore shows, is going to end up at a hardcore show that is a trans hardcore show because that's what's happening in hardcore right now and it fucking rules.
Um, it is very, it makes me love Bane even more.
I always really liked Bane, but Jesus, Jesus Christ, man, that's, that rules.
What a, what a cool thing for him to do.
And then what I would have never known if Laurie hadn't tweeted about it.
So thank you.
Thank you, Laurie.
I love, I love he's like, all right, I got two things to say.
Uh, one trans rights or human rights too.
I want to wipe my ass with the American flag.
Fuck yeah.
Man, I love that.
I can't wait to buy a Bane shirt in the Trans Pride colors.
You know?
I want that so bad.
I don't know, like, it's hard to judge, you know, hardcore bands by their lyrics because people change over time and become weird instances of themselves.
But, yeah, Bane... Like, where is this other tweet?
Oh, no, it's other...
She also posted her DM to Bain's Instagram.
That's so funny.
Where she captioned it, Fuck Bain, to be honest.
For real, for real.
Fuck Bain.
For real, for real.
Yeah.
Just so you know, I mean it.
And I told them to their face.
Just so you know.
She messaged Bane, your trans speeches tonight were disgusting.
And saying you'd wipe your ass with the American flag.
Some of us are religious.
And some of us have family that fought for this country.
You should have stayed retired.
You should look up any Bane song post 9-11 or post the Iraq War to see how he feels about your cousin that served.
That's so funny.
Were you not actually a fan?
I know a lot of people do that thing now where they're like, They never really, like, it's like the Raging Against the Machine fan thing, right?
Where it's like, oh, you didn't realize that they meant these lyrics?
But it's like, I don't know, Bain is a little more, you're now a little more niche.
You're, you're now part of, now everyone walking on the street knows who Bain is.
Yeah.
So you, to get there, like, how'd you end up there on accident and then to be shocked by it?
Had you really not listened to those songs in 20 years?
Is that what happened?
I think, I think there's people who just listen to hardcore and never listen to the lyrics.
Then how do they do gang vocals?
How do they do sing-alongs?
I don't think she's doing gang vocals.
I don't think she's doing a pylon, buddy.
Lori?
I get so stressed that someone's going to put the mic in my face and I'm not going to know what to do.
Oh, she'll bubble gum, for sure.
She'll marble mouth that shit, but she doesn't know the lyrics.
That is what you do.
You jump onto the pylon from the second story balcony and crawl over everybody's head to get the mic to move your mouth in synchronization with the syllables.
Yeah, that's what you do.
You just make vague noises that sound kind of like the ones you think that you've heard before, maybe.
Shout out to Mayhemaly on Twitter, who found this and tagged us.
She said, welcome to the next Minion death cult episode, loser.
Fuck yeah.
Yeah, what a fucking loser.
And then also to DM the band and screengrab that you DM the band and also kind of point out that they didn't DM you back.
Just a man.
Just like a glutton for punishment.
Yeah, go ahead.
I looked her up, actually, and now that I can actually see her profile picture much bigger, none of this surprised me, actually.
I can see the Boston location tag, and just, you know, the shape of this woman's everything.
Yeah, I'm not surprised that she has these takes.
Scrolling through her media tab is really embarrassing.
Her taste is just dog shit and everything.
Like what?
Um, like, she's trying to hand-paint leopard print on her, like, entertainment center dresser, and it just looks really bad.
Um, these, like, fur collars... Wait, hold on, slow down.
I gotta let that absorb into my head.
You said she's painting her entertainment center, like, her wood entertainment center leopard print?
That's clearly like pressboard, you know, and she's trying to paint it by hand, trying to do leopard print, and it's not good at all.
It's not even good leopard print.
It's not good leopard print at all.
It's terrible.
And what's funny is you're looking at it, and the leopard print has now approached the TV stand, and I'm like, are you going to move the TV now?
What's the next step for you?
Also, what made you start just doing this?
Social media driven insanity, possibly.
I also liked these tweets.
Fuck this band that won't stop talking about trans inclusion.
So she maybe didn't even know it was Bane.
Like, what is this, 736 on 618 versus, well it just says, dammit, it just says 22 hours ago.
Yeah.
Can't tell.
Maybe she learned who the band was afterwards, but fuck this band.
It won't stop talking about trans inclusion.
I just walked into the men's bathroom at Roadrunner because both signs just say gender neutral.
Go castrate yourself more.
Hashtag Boston.
It's like, also, so then you didn't walk into the men's room, actually, just so you know.
She had to piss in a urinal, but you didn't walk into a men's room.
They made her piss in a urinal, dude.
What was she supposed to do?
And you should only be allowed to piss in a urinal as, like, as, you know, a vagina haver.
You should only be allowed to piss in a urinal if, like, you're trying to be subversive.
And you're trying to take a picture and, like, flipping the camera off as you're peeing in the urinal.
It's the only time you can do that.
Yeah, Tony loves those subversive images he finds on the internet of women peeing in the urinals.
They're just, I don't know.
So many people know what I'm talking about, okay?
They're unsettling.
They're, like, so progressive.
They're, like, I don't know, tantalizing in a way.
She replies, and a man just walked into the woman's room!
Again, no they didn't.
They walked in the gender neutral bathroom.
But it used to say women's on it, Tony, and I'll know that, and I can't stop thinking about it.
It's just cycling over and over in my head.
I used to like to be represented on the door of a bathroom.
It made me feel seen.
But gender neutral means Lori Kaufman's gender too.
Maybe she thinks they're non-binary bathrooms, and that's why she's pissed off.
Yeah, she thinks she's gonna walk in and just experience this for ya.
She thinks she's like, uh, she's not being represented in the, in the bathroom spectrum.
Uh, last reply she did to this was show me your birth certificate.
Clown emoji, clown emoji, clown emoji.
That's you.
You're the clown yelling at people to show them your birth certificate before they can go to the bathroom.
I did like, which part is this?
Is she, she just means like she does want to see birth certificates.
Yeah, it's like, do you really want, you really want to bring birth certificates and using public bathrooms?
That's what you really want?
Yeah.
You know?
It's cool.
And I love being, this is like, uh, no teacher, actually, you said homework would be due today.
You said, I know you're trying to move it ahead.
This is when homework day is.
I demand to be able to turn my homework in and everybody else has to turn their homework in too.
You're doing the least punk shit ever because not only are you not disobeying a sign, you're disobeying a, you're not, you're refusing to disobey a sign that doesn't even exist anymore.
It's an old sign that's not even there.
Yeah.
It's not even there.
You're following rules.
They, they changed.
Also, real quick, honestly, shout out Roadrunner Records.
That's good job.
Was it a Roadrunner Festival?
Is that?
Or is that the name?
That might be the name of the bar.
That's true.
I thought, I was thinking, I'm still thinking Roadrunner Records, but either way, either way, shout out to whatever Roadrunner is.
Good job having gender neutral bathrooms.
Yeah.
And actually there's so much for the flow of using the bathroom for pretty much everybody that I think that's, people need to concentrate on that more actually.
Totally.
Yeah, and you just get like full privacy.
You go into one of the six stalls that's in the bathroom and it's just like, it's a nice little, you have to pay like $12 an hour for something like that at the airport.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
I had somebody recently, some guy recently, like, man, I just, I don't, I don't, I'm not good with it.
You know, I just can't, I'm not good with it.
But the reason why was they're like, they were scared.
They like have to take a noisy shit.
I'm like, that's not the same thing, that's not the same concern that other people are talking about.
I think you don't want, I think you just don't want to have, they're like, I don't know, it's ruder to do it to women, to take a noisy shit next to them.
You know?
I don't really care, but it's just, I just feel bad, I'm like, calm down, calm down.
Go ahead and cross that bridge when you got really bubbly guts and you find a gender neutral bathroom.
If you really got those bubbly guts, then you go ahead and find your man bathroom.
Totally, yeah.
Just wait for another one to come along.
She doesn't get anything.
I'm looking at this other post from her right now that she just posted yesterday and it says, have a great weekend and don't forget that POTUS is demonic.
And it has a picture of her taking a selfie and she's looking very Boston and not a complimentary way.
So boring.
It's so boring.
Like all the the resistance to Biden or the The resistance to demonic forces or whatever.
It's like you're crazy in the most boring way possible.
This is the like oldest, lamest way to try and be better than society is just call everything evil or degenerate or whatever.
Um, and you have to be, I don't know, to get attention, you have to be like, oh, it's the, it's the devil or, oh, it's demonic, you know, for the things you don't like.
And it's, I don't know, it's, uh, it's embarrassing.
But then on top of that, in the selfie, you can see your cell phone case.
It has an every time I die case on it, a phone case on it.
Yeah.
Ask, ask those guys what they think.
Yeah.
Go for it.
You know, it's like, We should ruin her life.
Those are men, though.
Those are men.
You know, one of them is a wrestler.
You mean the one that wrestles on, like, every gay wrestling thing he can because he's down?
Yeah, you should ask your friend, like, what about gay dudes who have to take noisy shits in a men's restroom?
Is it fair for them?
They're turning off potential partners with their nasty shit, nasty noises.
Yeah, think about that.
They might be losing you as a potential mate because of their gross bubble guts.
It's like your Aunt Clara.
You gotta suck it up.
You gotta look at other people who have toughed it out.
Shitting in a bathroom of the gender you like to fuck.
Also, you just gotta work on that.
You can get it to where you can really reduce the noise of the shits you take.
You can put some work into that, you know?
You can actually- You can also do some courtesy flushes.
There's also this special food you can eat that won't entirely fuck your stomach up.
It's called normal food.
Yeah, true.
You can do that.
She also loves Kanye West.
Yeah, didn't she have like a Kanye for President hat on or something?
Ye 24?
We can't, we're not spending any more time on her.
Stop finding stuff about her.
Sorry, she just sucks really bad.
Yeah, it's funny.
So happy Pride to Lori.
Thank you so much.
Shout out to Bain for the cool stuff you apparently said.
said yeah bane bane bane forever
okay so
So we got to talk about the submersible thing, right, Tony?
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
It was like, when it first happened, it was like, oh, that's mildly funny.
A bunch of billionaires went missing on a fucking experimental submarine.
That's pretty funny.
But it was not, I don't know, not really worth covering, in my opinion, on the show until just like the saga that unfolded with the What turns out like what they were making the Submersible out of, the statements the CEO had made about safety, and then also one of the billionaire passenger's son being a fucking Blink-182 fan posting about his dad being missing in the Submersible from the Blink-182 concert.
Real quick, a big part of that story that people keep forgetting to mention is stepdad.
It's his stepdad.
Yeah, stepdad.
His billionaire stepdad.
And I feel like that brings a whole lot of context into it.
Yeah, I think you go see Blink-182 when your stepdad, who's a billionaire, who probably sucks because he's a billionaire, and your stepdad, like, yeah, you go see Blink-182 when he's, like, missing in the ocean.
Under no circumstances do you ever have to go see Blink-182.
Just wanted to put that out there.
Someone put that, okay.
But I mean, but you can.
It seems, it doesn't seem inappropriate to me.
It seems rather appropriate.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't, I don't know.
I like, if we're going to, I was, I was just doing like a rundown of the whole, like this whole thing is so fucking crazy.
Um, I think we should start with like this BBC article.
Warnings over the safety of Ocean Gates Titan submersible were repeatedly dismissed by the CEO of the company who, Was on the submersible and did apparently die when it imploded.
In messages seen by the BBC, Rob McCallum told Ocean Gate CEO Stockton Rush that he was potentially putting his clients at risk and urged him to stop using the sub until it had been certified by an independent agency.
Mr. Rush responded that he was, quote, tired of industry players who try to use a safety argument to stop innovation.
Yep, that's true.
That's exactly what it is.
They're starting to stop innovation.
And using words like innovation is so funny in this context because I remember seeing this submersible years ago on some Discovery Channel ocean exploring type special because I would watch all those things.
And I was like, wait, it's the same one?
It's the same exact, they're still using that one?
It's not a typical submersible because it's not made of metal, it's made of carbon fiber.
They bought used carbon fiber, which was only 5 inches thick.
They wanted 7 inches and they only got 5 inches thick carbon fiber shell hull that they're supposed to all sit in.
And yeah, it was used when they bought it.
It was already old and carbon fiber degrades over those trips.
Not like like in a way that metal doesn't.
Yeah, even like even like a road bike, a carbon fiber road bike has a half life.
Even if you never crash it, if you ride it enough, there's a half-life to it.
I loved it when he said, because he was talking about, you know, how we break the rules.
He says, you're not supposed to use titanium and carbon fiber, but we did.
Yep.
They say you're not supposed to do it, but we did.
Because fuck them.
Scientists don't know what they're doing.
We're scientists because we're going to the bottom of the ocean.
And like, they have submarines.
They have submarines that can do this, that are like, you know, two-man submarines that are designed that you can purchase with your lots of money to go down to places like this.
But he's like, no, I gotta make my own, bro.
Let me read the quote that you were referring to.
I'd like to be remembered as an innovator.
I think it was General Douglas MacArthur who said, quote, this is the CEO talking, I mean, he's not wrong.
This is how he will be remembered.
He's remembered for breaking the rules.
I mean, he's not wrong.
This is how he will be remembered.
He's remembered for breaking the rules.
And by breaking rules, I mean he's remembered for putting people...
Not putting people in danger, but killing some people...
Because it was negligence.
Well, he put a bunch of people in danger before this, and then he killed these people.
Yeah, yeah.
Did you see?
He's now been updated to the Wikipedia article of inventors killed by their own inventions.
Oh, awesome.
That's really funny.
You know who else was another inventor killed by his invention?
Who?
The inventor of the Titanic.
Oh, that's really funny.
That's really funny.
Which is, of course, what they were trying to see.
They were trying to see some awful, grainy, swirly visuals of the Titanic.
That's why they did this.
Also, some people argue that God is also an inventor who was killed by his own invention.
Oh, that's good.
I like that one.
Yeah, try to add that to Wikipedia.
Yeah.
Put, like, sarcasm inside the carrots when you're doing your notes.
No.
I can't.
This is a very serious matter.
Okay.
If you want to do this, you have to, you have to do it the way James Cameron did it by like actually doing it by actually doing it and hiring people to do it and coordinating all of that.
Like you can't be a billionaire CEO and be like, or like a billionaire explorer or a billionaire pioneer and be like, yeah, sure.
This has been done before, but let's do it cheaper.
That can't be your innovation.
It's thrilling to some degree, I assume, if you're actually going down in the submersibles knowing that you could be imploded at any moment.
Maybe that's what it was.
Maybe he didn't know.
He didn't know it was a time bomb.
It was an actual air of thrill.
What he was, what I read that they were developing this for, it wasn't for the love of, you know, science or visiting the deep sea, exploring the bottom of the ocean.
No, he wanted to sell the technology to oil companies who would use it to work on oil rigs.
Yeah.
So this is not like an environmentally good thing at all.
Like, he's not trying to, like, help the ocean.
He's just taking people on a little, like, sightseeing adventure.
This is to fund.
As an advertisement.
It's to fund, yeah.
It's because it's $250,000 a pop, so that's where he gets his funding from.
It's like...
Are you a billionaire or are you not?
What do you think?
Donald Trump got 250 billion or millions, sorry, from his campaign supporters?
No, he did it himself.
Yeah, so this was just, I don't know, it seemed like a bad thing from start to finish with bad people involved.
I do feel bad for the 19-year-old kid who got brought along because his billionaire dad pressured him into going into the submarine.
Oh, what a bad term to use.
That was really, that was really, no, pressure.
Oh, yeah.
That was a really distasteful joke there.
Okay.
I meant to say submersible.
Anytime I say submarine, I mean submersible.
True.
Uh, yeah, I think, I think the kid was autistic and like his dad pressure.
It's, uh, that's, that's fucked up.
But, um, the whole project, uh, demonic whole project is, is demonic.
Just like Joe Biden is.
I didn't see where she weighed in on the on the submersible.
I didn't see her post about that.
Oh, yeah.
Hmm.
OK.
Mr. Rush responded that he was, quote, tired of industry players who try to use a safety argument to stop innovation.
Again, the innovation being I wanted the cheapest way possible to get down to the bottom of the ocean so that the people killing the planet can check a check on their source of income more easily.
Yeah.
The tense exchange ended after Ocean Gates, so that's the company of the submersible, Ocean Gates lawyers threatened legal action against Mr. McCollum.
Quote, I think you were potentially placing yourself and your clients in a dangerous dynamic, he wrote to the Ocean Gate boss in March 2018.
In your race to Titanic, you were mirroring that famous catch cry.
Quote, she is unsinkable.
Man.
Man.
Yeah, that's a... That's... He called it!
That's so real.
Yeah.
He called the shot.
He fucking pointed at the watery bleachers.
Also, that's another bad choice of words.
I mean, it's a submersible part of it.
The whole part of it is to be very sinkable.
That's true.
Yeah.
In the messages, Mr. Rush, who was among five passengers who died when the Titan experienced what officials believe was a catastrophic implosion, on Sunday expressed frustration with the criticism of Titan's safety measures.
But here's another quote from Rush, the CEO, quote, we have heard the baseless cries of, quote, you are going to kill someone way too often.
He wrote, quote, I take this as a serious personal insult.
Yeah.
I mean, he's like, I haven't killed anybody yet.
Then it's kind of nice to know that like, if you do kill people and you're in this, you do actually know, you have to know a little bit of science and know that there's really no hope for you to get out of that catastrophe.
So you're never going to have to like, you're never going to have to worry about looking someone in the eye and saying, yeah, we killed those people because you're going to be dead too.
So that gives probably a little bit of freedom.
Yeah, I mean, I don't even know if there was ever a period where they knew anything was wrong.
Because they're saying the implosion is what killed them, or the implosion happened, and they say that an implosion happens faster than your brain can generate a thought.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like, because it's, you know, how many atmospheres of pressure bearing down on all sides of you?
So there's a good chance he never even knew he was, you know, did anything bad.
Well, I mean, not until he, you know, was looking up at the submersible from hell.
Yeah.
I love it.
We have heard the baseless cries of, you're going to kill someone.
Oh, you're going to crush them to death in a nanosecond.
They're like, you're using carbon fiber and titanium.
You're not supposed to do that.
And he's like, but we did it though.
But we did it.
It's already done.
Don't worry.
Everyone keeps knocking the controllers.
Like the controller they use to steer it.
But you know, they never talk about how he had a couple backups on hand too.
They never talk about that.
You know?
I told them they needed to use the Ice Blue Clear controller.
Nobody listened to me.
I said that's the coolest one.
That's clearly the best one.
Mr. McCallum told the BBC that he repeatedly urged the company to seek certification for the Titan before using it for commercial tours.
The vessel was never certified or classed.
Man.
This is from CNN.
In a 2019 blog post on OceanGate's website, the company said most marine operations, quote, require that chartered vessels are, quote, classed by an independent group such as the American Bureau of Shipping, DNV, Lloyd's Register, or one of the many others.
But the Titan is not classed, the post says, adding that classing innovative designs often requires a multi-year approval process, which gets in the way of rapid innovation.
It's true.
The word crushed to death under the ocean, or the phrase rather, crushed to death under the ocean is so nasty.
I prefer rapid innovation in the blink of an eye.
It's true.
Classing agencies, quote, do not ensure that operators adhere to proper operating procedures and decision-making processes, two areas that are often much more important for mitigating risks at sea.
The vast majority of marine and aviation accidents are a result of operator error, not mechanical failure, it says.
I wonder if that has anything to do with most vehicles being classed.
I wonder if it's like you're looking at the result of safety regulations when you.
Oh, we don't have to get it regulated because there's already so few accidents and so few, you know, so few breakdowns.
Anybody who's actually qualified to operate a submersible wouldn't like wouldn't be in that one.
I don't think.
He's actually qualified for it, you know?
Yeah, but what about the decis- you know, he talks about, oh, it doesn't factor in the decision-making processes.
Oh, like, deciding to fucking make a submersible out of carbon fiber and send it to the- one of the deepest parts of the ocean?
Man.
Um... It's- it's so good.
Uh... What was I gonna say?
I don't remember.
I do think it's like, I- I'm actually okay with, uh...
I'm actually okay with them not being certified or approved because I really don't want that to be a branch or something that our tax dollars go to.
Well, they were private companies.
Sorry, it looked like private companies that did that.
Would be the one, okay, that's certified?
Okay, good.
Cause like, yeah, cause I don't, I don't need, I don't need, you know, bureaucracy to be approving submarines, you know?
No, these are profit-driven entities, so.
I think people should really be able to make the choice for themselves whether they want to get on the, uh, you know, deathtrap-ass submersible in the first place.
The fuckin' billionaire blender?
Yeah, I mean they already agreed to get in a small box where there's like a place to take a shit by the viewing window.
That's like where you take a shit.
So they already agreed to that, so they're already pretty wildin'.
I would never do that, like, aside from, you know, the obvious dangers and sketchiness of, like, this particular submersible, would never have done it in this, like, if I'm going to go to, if you're billing, like, oh, you're going to get to go on a tour and go see the bottom of the ocean with the Titanic, we better be in, like, a luxury seating situation where I can just, like, kick back and look out the way, and you can actually see things around you through the window.
And also, more than one window?
Yeah, like, I'm not even that scared of the deep sea.
I'm, like, scared of being in an awkward position and my hip starts to cramp or something.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I doubt that anybody who went on the submersible ever experienced, like, the Little Mermaid ride at Disneyland, where you're on a submarine.
I think it's Finding Nemo now.
I don't think it was Little Mermaid.
Well, maybe it was Little Mermaid for a period.
I just remember it as like the submarine ride.
Yeah, but that was kind of a stressful ride.
That was, you know, because you are very aware that you are underwater and it was a little stressful.
So, if I experienced that, I would naturally, you know, extrapolate that into the bottom of the ocean and I wouldn't be able to handle the stress.
But, you know, so they had no real idea of what it felt like until they were just too late.
One of these passengers, Hamish Harding, his stepson, posted about his stepdad missing.
Hamish, my stepdad is lost in a submarine.
Thoughts and prayers that the rescue mission will be successful.
And then he also posted right after that, it might be distasteful being here, but my family would want me to be at the Blink-182 show as it's my favorite band and music helps me in difficult times.
Heart emoji, praying hands emoji, and he did tag Blink182 in this.
Yeah, I love that.
I mean, he's gonna listen to Miss You, right?
He's so excited to hear miss you and really go through a moment there.
Hello there, the angel from my nightmare.
The shadow in the background of the morgue.
The unsuspecting victim.
Cannot sleep, cannot eat tonight.
My stepdad's underwater.
This rock, he tagged Blink-182 so that Travis Barker would DM him and be like, "Y'all, praying for you, bro." Which he did.
He did?
Yeah, he got DM'd from Travis Barker.
Man, when I saw this, the first time I saw this image, I was like, oh, is he like 16?
Or is he like 40?
Yeah.
He looks like 40, right?
He looks like a kid.
He's, yeah, he's 37.
But he's wearing a short-sleeved band t-shirt, backwards hat, and sunglasses.
I don't know, which sounds like normal clothes, but just... And also taking a picture in front of, like, the merch booth, like, awning?
Yeah.
Like, that's pretty juvenile.
Yeah, we need to see if Nick can get this guy a meeting with the band to make up, you know, make up for all the harassment he endured online.
Yeah, Nick, can you put a submersible on the next guitar you do for Mark?
It's so funny, man.
Why would you ever post this?
You can go to the concert.
It's totally fine.
I just don't, like, post about it.
But if you go to his Facebook, he's got, like, 6,000 followers.
He's some kind of recording engineer or mixing engineer, sound engineer of some kind.
He's friends with a lot of attractive women.
You know, quote, friend, Facebook friends.
And it seems like he posts a lot, because he posts himself going to rave parties and taking photos with just the women at the rave parties.
Yeah.
He appreciates the costumes.
But you don't have to.
I mean, you wouldn't normally have to post that you were at the Blink-182 show, I guess, unless you were this guy.
See, I think it's the other way around.
I think you had the Blink-182 tickets for a long time.
I think you don't post about your stepdad missing.
Hmm.
Yeah, I I think maybe so he I think he's got family on Facebook because this article here from the Mercury News Hamish Harding's embattled stepson was asked by mom to delete Blink-182 post amid families quote nightmare So I think yeah, once it's up you got to take that one down and not the stepdad one.
Yeah Your mom doesn't care that you went to see Blink-182 Unless you post about it and be like, this one's, you know, this one's for my stepdad.
This one's for Hamish.
Your mom's all just mad because, you know, your mom is a big Turnstile fan and wanted to go see Turnstile, but you didn't take your mom instead.
You know, you were like, I thought you wouldn't want to go.
Cause you know, cause dad's missing, you know, but she also wants to get through some stuff.
Unfortunately for Linda Harding, her son's Blink-182 post was the first of many this week to bring unwanted attention to him and his troubled past.
Because they also found him, like, he was also retweeting OnlyFansModel.
Like, OnlyFansModel tweeted at him, can I sit on you?
And he quote tweeted it, yes please.
So this appears like right above his post, please keep my family in your prayers.
That's awesome.
That's so awesome.
I like... You know, honestly, people are upset with this, but I'm always posting OnlyFans people, you know?
I'm always, you know, when they're having a sale, I like to, you know, help boost the homies, you know?
But to... Do the, like, really bad engagement posts and, like, do... Not even do a reply, but do a retweet with it?
It's a trick question.
She's not really asking if you'd be okay with her sitting on your face.
She knows you are.
That's why you're there.
But you're not supposed to say it so loud at the same time as you're doing this other thing.
Well, his excuse was, no, we're friends.
I have a relationship with her.
We go back and forth on Twitter all the time.
So he's actually in there.
So when you were like, hey man, she's not talking to you like, She's not gonna let you tweet at her and he's like, oh, yeah, look at this Check this out.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, uh, shout out Brian Tony says you did nothing wrong Keep doing it.
I think he probably did some wrong things.
He has also harassed some OnlyFans people in the past.
Oh yeah, that's right.
He gave death threats to women in the rave community.
What the fuck is wrong with billionaires and their progeny?
Jesus Christ.
But I do think there is nothing more like Pop Punk than having beef with your stepdad, so... Um, I think that part's totally appropriate.
Totally okay.
Yeah, good point.
The last things that I wanted to mention about this...
Um, the funniest part to me about this is the right wing's response.
Once, um, it was revealed that, uh, the Navy heard an explosion or an implosion rather, uh, and didn't tell anyone.
Uh, this is, this is what they're all upset about now.
I don't know if you've seen this.
I have.
Yeah.
It's funny.
Yeah.
Benny Johnson, Wait, if the submarine exploded on Sunday and the Navy knew about it the whole time, that means the entire US military picked up a banging noise on the seafloor news cycle was a lazy psyop to keep the story going.
They lied.
Period.
This was all a distraction.
Period.
God help us.
Period.
Oh, man.
What did they get away with in the meantime?
What happened?
What was happening while these billionaires were is what while these billions are missing?
Is that when the Roadrunner when Roadrunner put up the non gendered bathroom signs?
Was that what happened?
Is that how they got away with that?
It was that.
And it's also how Hunter Biden got away with breaking the law and, you know, getting special treatment or whatever, despite very clearly not getting away with it.
I mean, getting away with it.
In the sense that like all, you know, wealthy people can avoid this stuff.
Uh, but not getting away with it in the sense that nobody's paying attention because, uh, even like CNN is reporting on the Hunter Biden scandal right now.
Uh, which don't, again, I don't really care about, like you can put them in prison.
That's I'm fine with that.
Like, go for it.
But, but a whistleblower will always be louder than an imploding submersible.
So, um, It will still be heard.
They lied.
God, God help us.
They lied about the billionaire submarine thing.
I can't believe they did that.
I can't believe they lied about that.
Um, and it's, I don't know, it's pretty clear by like deductive reasoning or just, I don't know if you have empathy or if you're not trying to, you know, upset your followers or whatever.
You just be like, well, they heard something.
They didn't know if it was five billionaires and their son popping.
Yeah.
Yeah, like, we heard something that happened to be on the same timeline, but in order for us to really come out with that, we would have had to, like, go find it?
What if they were like... We would have had to, like, prove it?
What if Navy was like, hey, we heard a noise.
Call off the search.
Yeah.
Forget.
Yeah, exactly.
Imagine that.
How would that have gone over?
Extremely funny.
I like the theory, though, that they're not actually dead.
That this was all, like, they're all faking their death.
Yeah.
Yeah, I saw that.
Somebody was like, oh, they're faking their death to avoid paying taxes or whatever.
It's like, what taxes?
What taxes do you think billionaires pay, bro?
Yeah, but I mean, that is the best way to, like, spend a billion dollars is to fake your death.
I guess.
I just, I don't see the reason.
Unless you want to do some real fucked up shit, like in Thailand or something, then.
Yeah, they're going to have real freedom.
But the best reaction to this was from Matt Walsh.
So, in the face of people making fun of the billionaires dying from their own hubris, from trying to flout Not even government regulations, but like private industry regulations, people that have taken it upon themselves to govern this, you know, to govern this thing because they actually care about it.
Like, no.
People are making fun of that, obviously.
So Matt Walsh's response to this is, quote, the people on the submarine are reckless and taking huge and unnecessary risks.
Yes.
Welcome to literally all adventurers and explorers who have ever lived.
They're always eccentric and foolhardy.
Always, every single time.
Have you not seen Indiana Jones?
Or even like Tomb Raider?
Yeah, she was pretty eccentric if you catch my drift.
Yeah, I don't know if you knew that.
They're always eccentric and foolhardy, and that's how they do and see and experience things that the rest of us can only dream about.
Yeah, that is how they made their billions of dollars, was by paying for vanity trips, paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for vanity underwater safaris, where you get to shoot an animal, but the animal turns out to be yourself.
Yeah.
Well, Matt Walsh can identify with this.
He feels this because, you know, just like how they went to go explore the Titanic knowing that their lives were going to be in danger, he's also gone to Africa and taking pictures with children there, you know, to use as his little, like, white savior.
Uh, pho- you know, photos everywhere.
Uh, so he understands what it's like to put your life in danger to explore some things, to discover some things.
It's so fu- You know, they don't even have i- those kids don't even have iPhones.
How much of a bitch do you have to be?
Like, how- how much of a desk-writing... wimp do you have to be to look at a billionaire paying $250,000 to look at a- look at the Titanic and be like, there he is, the modern pioneer.
Like, the best of all of us.
And also, they thought they were going to get a better view than the views that James Cameron got with his cameras.
With the cameras that he invented for that.
Exactly.
His cameras that he invented that are better than your eye for seeing underwater like that.
Uh, but hey, you know, you take, you take big risks when you're reaching for the sun, which is again.
Yeah.
Trying to subcontract to shell oil.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's all you're doing.
People were like, uh, you know, it's, uh, they weren't exploring you fucking moron.
People already, people, people are, have it under control.
Okay.
People know what the adults are in charge.
They know what they're doing.
They're over there.
Not imploding.
Um, yeah.
Matt Walsh quoted that, we know almost nothing about the depths of the ocean.
Every trip that deep can advance mankind's understanding of the world.
They certainly have a greater chance of discovering something than you've ever had or ever will have in your life.
No, not really.
I also, yeah, you're right.
We don't know a lot about like the ocean.
There's a lot of mysteries in the ocean still, but some of the things we do know, um, are just like some, you know, principles of physics and stuff that are pretty clear and obvious.
Yeah.
And we do know those things.
Um, so this is like, yeah, this is one of the best, I mean, the cope is so fucking delicious.
Like, Billionaires who think they know better than everybody else spent, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill themselves at the bottom of the ocean.
You have to be like, yeah, they were actually exploring.
They were literally just going down there so they could picture themselves railing a redhead in a model T. Yeah.
That's it.
One of them even brought paintbrushes and a canvas.
Started painting the other passengers.
But they were wearing clothes, but the paintings were totally naked.
We'll never see those paintings now.
That's a real tragedy.
I love this one.
This is the last one.
Roald Amundsen led expositions into the interior of Antarctica.
He traversed the Northwest Passage.
He was the first man to stand on the South Pole.
He was hailed as a hero during his time.
But if he'd done all this today, there would be lots of snarky memes and people would laugh at him for being so impractical and unsafe.
Then they'd all cheer when he died.
We're a culture of lazy, boring drones who hate the spirit of adventure that all men once admired.
I mean, no, no, that's not what would happen.
It's so different, too.
You know, there's not there's not like an atmospheric change when you go to Antarctica that will make it so that your boat, you know, does collapse on itself.
That doesn't exist.
And also, yeah, maybe we would have been more critical of it because it is now.
And we have seen like the devastation that man discovering on discovered lands will cost to the environment.
So maybe there would have been that, but that's about all I can imagine there.
It's not the same thing.
It would be like...
Well, if Roald Amundsen was actually, like, an outdoor gear manufacturer who swore up and down that he could, like, make a wetsuit, a thin wetsuit that could prevent you from freezing, and despite all, you know, all efforts by actual, you know, people who know about that area of the world, marched out into the tundra and died.
That's what it would be like.
It's the sake of geometry that keeps you warm.
It's the sake of geometry on this, on this, uh... This, you know, latex suit that we've made.
That's what keeps you warm.
And everyone's like, there's no fucking way that's gonna work.
And he's like, shut up, yes it will.
And then we find him frozen later on.
Yeah, exactly.
That's what he would be like.
But we wouldn't find him frozen.
We would just, we would find him, uh, hopefully we wouldn't find him frozen.
We would find him digested.
Just like looking at who, who is the other billionaire?
Was he a Pakistani billionaire who like made all of his money through acquisitions and just like financialization and financial transactions and from, and you're Matt Walsh and you're like, the spirit of adventure is just palpable in this man, just radiating off of him like a warm glow.
See Alexander, it says a lot about you as like a person because you, you can't even imagine yourself going on the submarine.
You know, like Matt, Matt Walsh, Matt Walsh is a brave, is a brave man who one day when he is a billionaire, he would spend $200,000 on a submarine.
And you just can't imagine that, that that's, That says a lot about you.
I gotta stop you here because I don't have it screenshotted, but he literally said, like, no, they're braver than me.
I would never do this.
That's why they're- Oh my god.
That's why they're better than me.
That's so funny.
Man, just- That's so funny.
Like, licking the billionaire dick, bro.
It's so fucking- Dog, they can't- they can't even pay you anymore.
They can't- you can't even get money off them anymore.
They're dead.
Yeah, all right.
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