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The liberals are destroying California, and conservative humor gone awry... Conservative humor gone awry is going to fascistphonia today, so stay tuned.
We're going to take a few pictures of the desert and how their policies are actually messing it up.
It's not beautiful when you go across that border.
Stay tuned guys, we'll show you exactly what it looks like when people go to the desert.
Oh, they're in Bartholstein.
Stay tuned.
Um, okay.
I'm Alexander Edward.
And I'm Tony Boswell.
And we are Minion Death Cult.
The world is ending.
Uh, theme parks censoring rape from their attractions is responsible.
Uh, we're documenting it.
What's up, everybody?
It's your episode for the week.
Thank you so much for listening.
And I should say, just for historical precedent, this is the first episode recorded in the new Minion Death Cult studio.
Finally got the Neurosis banner up next to the cool car poster that was here when I moved in.
I think there's like a Honda on there.
It's got some ground effects.
There's a bunch of cars.
It looks like you're looking into cars that have been attacked by Sub-Zero from Mortal Kombat.
They're like glowing icicles.
Crystal blue and semi-transparent.
Wood paneling on the walls.
Fake orange reddish carpet.
Somebody online made the comment that I'm in a perfect venue for recording a Boomer podcast.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think it's nice because although you're not in your mom's basement, you can easily pretend like you're in your mom's basement.
This is a step up from mom's basement.
This is grandma's basement.
This is grandma's basement for sure.
So happy to be here.
Those walls can talk.
Happy to be here.
Happy to start a new chapter in the show.
I do have various musical instruments around me so I might like liven things up with a bit of, you know, I don't know, walking music while Tony's going on one of his signature rants, you know.
Is it happening?
Is it gonna happen?
Is that that thing you've been talking about for a long... I know you've been saying you really want to give Reggie Watts a run for his money.
Yeah, could be.
I think, I'm really excited about it.
I think that's the dynamic we've been missing the entire time, is like, improv to music and comedy together.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, Reggie didn't host Comedy Bang Bang while he did it, so, you know, I mean, no shots at him, but... True, true.
Whenever I do it, which I'm definitely going to do it, it's going to be better than what Reggie Watts was doing.
That's fucking tight, I'm excited.
So to help us out today, we have an old friend, special guest, Nick JustNick, joining the show today.
What's up, JustNick?
How's it going, fellas?
It's going pretty well.
Nick knows a good studio, a good practice space when he sees one.
He and I have shared many over the years.
This one looking a little better than a storage unit though, right, buddy?
It sure is.
Look at that wood paneling, dude.
You made it.
Is there like an echo?
Is there a nice reverb to my voice right now?
There is.
It sounds like you're in an empty chapel.
Sounds like I'm in the acoustic guitar room at Guitar Center.
Oh, hell yeah.
I've never been in there because I can't shred, but I've looked through the glass.
They made you play a pentatonic scale before they let you in, and you're like, no, I'm sorry.
The only song I can play on guitar is Dammit by Blink-182.
I didn't have to say the second part, did I?
No.
I snuck in there once.
You know, I'm a drummer and everything, but I snuck in once.
A friend got me in, and everyone was playing Fly by Sugar Ray.
Fuck yeah.
I mean, there's a lot of percussion in that song.
That's a very, like, rhythmic piece of music.
I think you would have been welcome there, Nick.
Yeah, I mean, what I did was I flipped an acoustic around and just kind of bongoed it on my lap.
You know what's funny?
I was actually there that day, and I thought the turntablist in the DJ section was just doing something random, but he was playing along with Fly By Sugar Ray.
Now that I think of it, that's what was happening, huh?
Yeah, he had a direct in, he's just not allowed in because it's not acoustic.
Of course not, yeah.
I was there for one of the many Fly by Sugar Ray and McBee sessions.
Unfortunately, I didn't know that was the song we were playing.
I was playing Every Morning by Sugar Ray instead.
I was like, well, there's me embarrassed.
Yeah, really had egg on your face that day.
It's just, how can one band have so many chill, Cali-style beach anthems?
I don't know.
It gets confusing is all I'm saying.
I think his mom had a lot to do with that.
She told him the chill vibes?
- You told him the chill vibes?
Yeah.
So yeah, Nick is an old friend.
Nick is a graphic designer who used to do promotion, design, that sort of thing for a venue in Orange County, let's just say, that had been, I guess, bought out by Live Nation.
And once the venue was bought out by Live Nation, a bunch of kooky stuff started happening.
Is that correct, Nick?
Yeah so what happened was I worked for another company that sort of was connected to it and so when that closed down or when that stopped and Live Nation took over I kind of got shifted over into a weird really weird position for a bit where I was kind of heading up marketing for like a grunt style type of brand for like a couple months a grunt style style brand yeah
until i kind of transitioned into uh something else okay so for people who don't know i mean you know long time listeners of the show will know grunt style is of course actually i think i'm mistaken in this uh GruntStyle's not owned by Adam Calhoun, but like he had one of his signature GruntStyle shirt or something.
GruntStyle is like veteran wear, American flag, crossed muskets, Declaration of Independence, little American flag insignia on the shirt short sleeve of your short sleeve t-shirt type company.
Yeah.
How was this company, uh, this, so this company was, was printing out patriotic merchandise and you, you were designing it.
Is that what you're saying?
No, I was not designing it.
Thankfully I had nothing to do with design.
It was just sort of reaching out to like, um, reaching out to brand ambassadors.
That's, that's funny.
Cause I, Alex, did you get a call?
I didn't, I didn't get a call for, to be a brand ambassador.
That's I'm disappointed.
Yeah, I think you ghosted me.
Damn, damn.
So, the company was, like, marketing itself as a sort of military or patriotic or veterans?
What was the deal with this company?
What was the ethos?
So, patriotic, like, second amendment.
Military, like that three percenter shit, like all that kind of weird stuff.
You know, like Abraham Lincoln with a AK-47 kind of thing.
Okay, so you didn't say they were a cool company.
You left that part out.
Oh yeah, very cool.
Sorry, I forgot to mention that.
So George Washington with, you know, night vision goggles.
Did he have muscles too?
Yeah.
Hell yeah, dude.
I hate how easily I can just... I've seen this.
I haven't seen exactly what you're talking about, but I can picture it easily.
And that makes me really upset that I know exactly what Operator Washington looks like.
You sent us some of these shirts.
I told you to send me like your favorite.
You said you wanted to talk about the guy who owned the company that was like, you know, I haven't seen anything.
You haven't sent me anything that specifically says veterans on it, but it was You described it as being marketed towards veterans, despite the owner, the person you worked for, not have ever served in the military.
Not being a grunt himself.
No, so he's kind of like just a pro-Second Amendment guy.
I think that happened later in life, like I think I said, more like a self-described, probably like libertarian style of person, like someone who identifies as that, you know, that type of person.
Like, I want to, I want to bring my gun to your gay marriage, like.
Yeah, totally.
That kind of thing, you know?
But not in a bad, like a supportive way.
I mean, maybe people who haven't seen that meme maybe didn't get the gist of what you meant, but it's like, I want gay couples to be able to smoke weed and fire their AK-47s at their wedding or whatever.
That's what the libertarian meme is.
It's not, I want to bring my gun to your gay marriage.
Oh yeah, sorry.
That sounds pretty bad.
Yeah, it's got a different connotation there.
Right, but yeah, that kind of thing.
So yeah, I'm pretty sure there was like guns in the office and that kind of thing that was like not really talked about.
I'm not entirely sure.
Can you imagine if there were video cameras there?
It'd be the office but with guns.
Yeah.
Just be like Homer Simpson opening up a seltzer with your gun.
Hell yeah.
Putting your co-worker's Glock inside of a Jell-O mold.
Staring at the camera when your dumbass boss thinks AR stands for Assault Rifle.
Planning your co-worker into bringing another gun into the office and really losing it one day.
Um, I told you keep, keep your, oh no, what you do is, so you commit a crime with your weapon and then like you kill somebody or something, right?
Uh, and then you leave it in the fridge for that coworker who always takes your stuff and touches your stuff.
And then they get their prints all over it.
Done deal.
Hauled, hauled away.
Life sentence.
You put it next to a drink so you have DNA too.
You label your drink yours and the gun yours.
You know they're gonna take a drink of your drink and they're gonna take your sandwich, but it's actually a gun.
And then they're all set up.
I like this.
Let's do this.
Let's pitch this to FX.
Yeah what's more convenient about this too is like if you're just in love with the receptionist who's dating a warehouse worker you just you just shoot him or have an old-fashioned duel yeah and settle it right then and there you know you don't have to be the nice guy forever and it's cool because once you kill him she has no choice she's now yours yeah yes uh well wasn't she a redhead we'll get we'll get to uh redheads being auctioned off later on in the episode uh
These shirts you sent me, Nick, done by this company, which I guess we're not naming out of some weird form of niceness.
I mean, maybe you don't want to get labeled a snitch or something, I guess, Nick.
Yeah.
The shirts you sent me are so fucking depressing.
They're the worst of these gun shirts I've seen because this is very obviously someone who owned a music venue or is slightly younger than a boomer and trying to be cool.
So the first one you sent me Uh, is a shirt that says American Patriot on it, uh, in the Thrasher Magazine font.
It's in the Thrasher Flame font.
Yeah.
It's incredible.
Fucking sucks, man.
It says, um, American, like the Thrasher, and then Patriot underneath, like, uh, the magazine, and then between those two words is, uh, you know, an AR-style rifle.
It's funny because American has way too many letters for that to really work, so it looks like shit.
It looks very much like this is a shirt that you would see on a wall in a tourist t-shirt shop.
You know?
It looks real bad.
I just like that people still think that doing a thrasher rip is still a good idea.
Doing that thrasher rip is still a good idea.
I like who, I don't know who, like, I don't know who that's for, though, even, you know what I mean?
Yeah, nine times out of ten, nine customers out of ten who bought this shirt have no idea, like, A, what Thrasher is, or B, let alone that it was a reference to that.
No way, no way.
You guys are way off here.
This belongs to a contractor who still wears DVSs.
Somehow still has the Chet Thomas full-tongue-shoe DVSs.
Pretty baggy shorts.
A flat-billed cap.
It has not?
They're interstate snow camo shorts.
Totally, totally.
But they haven't skated in 30 years, but they still remember Thrasher and they're like, yeah, this shit's tight.
They stopped skating when it got, I don't know, when people started showing off too much.
It got too flashy, you know?
It got too hip-hop.
Once they discovered Kareem Campbell, they were out.
Yeah, they're like, dude, fuck action.
Uh, yeah, so this is bad.
I mean, it's like... It's like, slightly worse than a hardcore band knockoff shirt, and like, maybe a little better than like, a Christian brand knockoff shirt.
Like, I'm trying to figure out where this lands in the pantheon of bad shirts.
It's definitely worse than those, like, Seventeen magazine, like, weird Christian, sort of, like, like, Jesus inside, like, the Intel processor, kind of.
Yeah, or, like, it says Jesus pieces instead of Reese's.
What's funny too is it's just wrong.
There is no Thrasher logo where it says Thrasher and then it has that line writing skateboards or anything where there's something between the two words.
That doesn't exist.
So that gun being between it really throws this whole thing off.
And it's just superfluous.
You don't need it.
And it made it worse.
And then the gun has odd amounts of detail.
It's bad.
It's all bad.
What makes it bad too is it's not like the name of the company, it's just a phrase.
It's like, it would be like if it said cool guy on it, you know?
Except it says American Patriot, which is, what, redundant?
I need people to know that I'm patriotic for this country.
Yes.
Right.
It's for when you're traveling.
I sent it to my friend, my buddy Mark, rest in peace, but he ran a...
He ran Deathmatch for Thrasher.
He kind of put that on every year and worked for Thrasher and stuff, and his reply was just, oh no.
He worked with me at the venue previously too, so it was just funny to show him that.
He's like, oh no dude, get out of there.
What are they having you doing?
Fucking leave.
I was trying to think of like other skateboard rips you could do for, you know, right-wing freaks like this.
I was thinking you could have like, instead of the Powell skull holding a sword, you know, it could be a different skull with a turban on it that says, I kill you underneath, but he's still like, he's holding like a curved sword.
Or just instead of a sword, it's just an assault rifle.
You don't want to associate Ahmed the Dead Terrorist with an assault rifle, though.
Like, that's, you know, Ahmed the Dead Terrorist is a coward, and the assault rifle is like a hero's weapon.
No, no, I just mean the Powell skull with the...
Oh, just the whole thing.
Yeah, you could do that too.
I imagine one that's... It's supposed to be the girl skateboard logo, but it's actually the man skateboard logo, but it still says girl.
Oh, yeah.
And it has a question mark on it, and it's really awful.
Yeah, that would be a good bad one.
See, I went even darker.
I thought you were going to say there should be bullet holes in it or something like that.
Yeah, but it's a target.
Yeah.
Uh, what about Flame Boy, but instead it's like a mushroom cloud, uh, as a result of a gender reveal party?
And that's how you know it's a boy?
Yeah.
And Wet Willy is oil?
Because we're just trying to secure those bags?
Yeah, hell yeah.
I saw, like, I, I, I, yesterday I had in my hands, like, a legit 1999 Wet Willy board.
That someone just had that they rolled bio on.
Damn.
And I was like, what the hell?
It was somehow beat to shit, but also looked good at the same time.
You can tell what the graphic was.
I was like, this is fucking crazy.
And he was like a young kid.
That's right.
No, the only one I care about is the one with Wet Willy and Flame Boy shooting at each other, making the yin and yang in the center.
That's the only good one in my mind.
That was my banner for a while on Twitter.
Yeah.
It's a Muska silhouette, but it's just a soldier holding a gun.
Oh my god!
It's the soldier, like, taking a knee?
Yeah.
Oh, and instead of saying Muska, it says Palmea.
Fuck, can we make so much money right now?
Dude, let's just start a Patriot skate brand.
Oh my god, it would go off.
It would go off.
You could make, like, the stash pocket... What shoes?
Were those Circas?
Yeah, those are also muskas, yeah.
Yeah, the muska stash pocket muskas, but it's just for holding, like, roofies.
It's actually big enough to hold a clip in.
Oh, shit.
Dang, you got fat tongues on your shoes.
Are you putting extra sock in there?
Nope.
Nope.
Oh fuck, folding the sock and putting it on top of your foot to make the shoe puffier?
Remember that?
Yeah, but you're using a clip instead, you know?
I totally forgot that people did that.
Why would they, just to make the shoe look bigger?
Yeah.
Puffy shoes are cool.
Somebody brought that back recently.
There's a company that's making a secondary tongue that you buy to put behind your existing tongue.
So you don't do the sock anymore.
It's more official.
And it's a company that exists right now.
And that's mind-blowing to me.
We used to cut off tongues to like the old puffy shoe that was like blown out from skating and then shove that in there.
That's the pro move.
I just had really fat feet.
I didn't have to do that.
Tony had big naturals.
No reason.
No reason to stuff.
This other shirt is equally fucking embarrassing.
No, it's more embarrassing.
It's more embarrassing and also, like, wretched.
The front of it, it's a white shirt.
And the front of it is... This is the same shirt?!
Yeah.
Holy fuck!
The front of it has four magazines arranged in a sort of offset up-down type manner.
So maybe you can see where this is going.
And then the top text says black, the bottom text says arms.
So this is of course a black flag rip-off with instead of the black bars, it's magazines and it says black arms.
Now, as somebody who's, like, one of my things in life is to, like, normalize armed black people, I got excited about this shirt for a second.
I thought this was cool, but I knew that there's no way they meant what I meant.
And then when I found out that this is the same fucking shirt, this back you're about to explain, I'm now, like, I'm upset.
I'm, like, more than... Because I almost want to get the shirt, just the black arms one, to wear it to make a totally different statement that they would fucking hate.
Black Flag ripoffs are like 10 years too late at this point, no matter what.
The original one that said Beach Boys, I think, that was the home run.
I don't know if I ever actually saw that one.
I think that was the first one.
Instead of Black Flag, it said Beach Boys.
That's sick.
The back of this shirt is basically a Facebook algorithmic shirt.
It's like There was this bit there's like hardcore brand like merch brands that used to do like just rubrics for hardcore bands where it was just like yep uh band name horizontal line song lyric uh made up seal you know like coat of arms for that band or whatever and this is essentially that uh it says At the top of it, it says, Blessed are the Peacemakers.
Horizontal line.
DEFEND!
Blue Lives Matter flag underneath.
POLICE!
Horizontal line under that.
Back the blue.
And then a blue Spartan helmet.
I love the helmet, because the helmet is used as a logo for a couple companies.
But you can also just use it independently like that.
It's just its own statement in itself.
I love that.
Well, it's history.
You can't trademark.
It belongs to all of us.
The Spartan Helmet.
It truly does.
Just a fucking awful t-shirt.
Just awful from bottom to top.
The idea, the execution.
The wording used, like, blessed are the peacemakers, defend police, back the blue, Spartan helmet.
How many of these did you guys sell, Nick?
Was this a popular shirt?
I have no idea.
I'm unsure at this point.
When you reached out to brand ambassadors, did any of them ever respond positively to this t-shirt?
Uh, I don't think they, no, I don't think anyone chose this shirt.
I mean, it was all a lot more like generic, like grunt style looking stuff.
Uh, the funniest thing was just when people would be like, Hey, uh, just, you, you know, I wasn't in the service or anything like that, right?
Like that, that always made me laugh.
I like that.
Good for them.
Good for them.
And, and part of you is like, yeah, that's, that's kind of the point.
That's actually, it's a bad look actually, if you were in the service.
- The black arms thing is so, so weird.
- Yeah, I hate it. - It's weird in like a couple ways.
Go ahead. - I'm so against snitching, but a part of me just wants to send this to Greg Ginn.
- That whole thing's been used so many times.
And again, from my point of view, I hate it even more because it's being used by the wrong people, but that's a thing, you know?
Black arms, black guns matter.
And it's like, the whole joke is, you know like a lot of guns are the color black?
That's it.
That's the whole joke.
Yeah, that's all it means.
It just means the rifle is black.
If you got a sweet custom piece that you know may be Matt Olive, do you even get to wear that shirt?
Yeah, because it's still worth it.
Even if you're, like, lying a little bit, it's still worth it to own Black Lives Matter.
That's true, that's true.
Integrity, right there.
Yeah, you can't buy integrity.
Oh, you guys should do an integrity rip-off shirt, and it'll be hated of the world, and it'll be a photo of, like, Reagan.
It will just be like a heavily brushed out Spartan helmet with a little bit of the skull behind it.
That probably exists, unfortunately.
Somebody's definitely made a Blue Lives Matter integrity skull.
Oh, that for sure exists.
Someone from Boston has that tattoo.
I stumbled upon another operator company that makes patches for your plate carrier and stuff, and the one I saw I thought was kind of cool, but I knew there was no way it was as cool as I wanted it to be.
It was the ODB album cover, but ODB was wearing operator helmet goggles.
And I was like, what's this company about?
There's no way they're actually cool.
And the first thing I saw was a hate breed rip that just said the name of the company.
And I was like, that's actually still pretty tight.
And then the next thing I saw was We The People patches.
And I'm like, fuck, this all sucks.
This all sucks so bad.
I hate you guys.
And I'm sure you hate me, but you still get to use the ODB image.
Okay, good news.
I am not seeing an Integrity Blue Lives Matter skull.
It's mostly just Punisher stuff still.
Yeah, I don't know.
Like, I think it's cool that they're using a black flag ripoff to support the troops.
What if they did the cover of Police Story and it said, suck on this, but it was just a lollipop.
It was a little treat.
You did a good job today.
Anything else to add about what it was like working for a patriotic company like this?
Did you feel awkward knowing how much inside you hated America?
Did your boss know how much you hated America?
No.
I think I kind of kept it under wraps until things transferred for me, but it was very weird and, I don't know, I'm like a type of person who likes to do weird things, to do things like this and tell my friends.
Well, thanks for doing it.
Yeah, we appreciate you.
I don't know if I want to get into this.
I'll get into it.
We can edit it out if we need to, but I feel sort of bad for the people.
It's like this is sort of their only identity.
Totally.
I feel like there's a lot of dudes who actually did a bunch of terrible shit, and how they cope with it is through There's this sort of fake, like, machismo culture around all this, like, shit that makes it okay.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know any of these people.
I mean, I know I have a couple of them in my family, but I, you know, avoid them.
They definitely have problems, like, other than their political beliefs or, you know, uh, socializing, their lack of an ability to socialize.
But, uh, we, we've said on this show frequently that, yeah, it is like, It's like you were too old when Hot Topic was popular and like now you've discovered like a trend that you actually like, you know?
Like a sort of shallow aesthetic that you can get into, you know?
That gives you an identity and you can cosplay as somebody with something like worth dying for or living for, you know?
Something that like vaguely gives your life meaning, you know?
You have While you're doing your shitty job or you're dealing with your shitty family or whatever you can have in the back of your mind, like, well, I would also, like, you know, uh, kill my neighbors if I had to.
And that gives me some kind of comfort.
Yeah it's it's this flag it's this like uniform that um signals what they seem to be like morality you know or it's like a WWJD bracelet used to be except for on a more grand scale like the other day I was in Stata Brothers um I was in my local grocer and um I saw two guys independently wearing the most obnoxious Gren Style shirts.
One was just some crest that said America, freedom, whatever.
The other one said like, you know, beer guns, God, liberty, whatever.
And I was there when they crossed paths.
And they were like, I like your shirt.
And the other one was like, I like your shirt.
And thank God we were wearing masks because I definitely audibly said, nerds.
It was just like, that's the thing.
It is like a, it's a club for them, you know?
It's like when you see somebody in a band shirt that you like.
Hey, I like that shirt.
I know what you're about.
You must be okay.
That shirt will get you a free beer.
Yeah, I think that's what it's about.
It's about finding an identity, you know?
When you're like 35 or whatever, it's the equivalent of starting a podcast.
I mean, it's a little different than that, of course, but it's like...
I don't know, getting really into anime or whatever branch of music you've found yourself into.
Whiskey or wine or whatever.
But it's like a shirt.
It's like a style of clothing.
I guess you're probably consuming media that Yeah.
relates to it you're probably consuming some sort of entertainment but it's it's not even like a hobby it's it's just like a passive uh signifier for the most part i think but a lot of people are making uh money off of it and that's the good thing yeah like i think the veterans in particular that i like sort of talked with i felt sort of pity for it because it's just like you you usually enlist when you're 18 like you don't really get to like you only
you're only an adult as like this fucking a soldier essentially or a troop when you get out of that it's like you're now this is like all the time All you can continue being sort of, so now you're like the fuckin' gun Troop America guy, and it's socially acceptable, and a lot easier than probably going to therapy.
Yeah.
And what's nice about that, like that person, you know, they go out and maybe they're wearing something that signifies that they're a vet, or they present their ID for a discount, and they get the thanks for your service type nod.
And what's funny about these shirts is that you get like a half nod.
You do.
You get like a, you get like a, hey listen, I don't know if you did serve, but I feel like you would judging by that shirt.
So I'm going to give you a half knot and that's what you see happening.
Yeah.
And that's like the whole purpose, like I said, that's the whole purpose of these shirts.
It's so, it's, it's that whole reverence to the troops thing that pays off, um, just by, you know, I like, people love the Packers, so people love me when I wear a Packers jersey.
You know, people love America, so people love me when I wear my freedom, you know, protection of the peace shirt.
Yeah, it's awesome.
It's a way of, like, representing your opposition to the changing of the times, and you can, you know, it's the Lisa Needs Braces dental plan comic, but for, you know, tough guys.
Speaking of, like, bands and, uh...
I don't know, Machismo.
There was an amazing Facebook post from a couple months back, and this was shared into the Minion Death Commandos Facebook group by Zach Van Sant, okay?
So, I just want to read this.
This is from a band called Face Wreck.
Have we ever heard of Face Wreck?
No, no, but I hate that name.
Yeah, it's a bad name.
I listened to some of their music and it's not as bad as I was expecting.
They have like, you know, tens of thousands of listeners on Spotify.
Are they on FaceDown Records?
No, is FaceDown still around?
I doubt it.
Pennsylvania hardcore, Pittsburgh style.
Oh, they must be good then.
Yeah.
One of their albums is called Sortin' Fools Out.
Oh my god, oh my god.
Their top track is called Guerrilla Warfare.
Yeah, go ahead, Tony.
What year did Sortin' Fools Out come out?
2018.
What are we dealing with here?
What the fuck?
I would have been cool with something like 96 maybe, but that's insane.
Let me just read this post here.
We have a show coming up.
Here is the reality of a true hardcore show.
Dot dot dot dot.
And so, we all, you know, all three of us have various experience with the hardcore scene.
You know, maybe the listener doesn't.
And I feel like, you know, we can lend some credence as to whether this is the reality of a true hardcore show.
Try to stick with us if you're not familiar with this sort of scene.
There is a chance if you show up and are not self-aware or capable of properly defending yourself, you might get seriously physically injured due to the other people's dancing styles.
I mean, there's another way to put that.
I don't know.
That makes it seem like you could be standing by the back and someone's going to walk by you and windmill kick you.
I mean, that's possible.
True.
That's a good thing about true hardcore shows is that people are going to try to hurt you.
That's when you know you're at a good hardcore show.
I say that semi-ironically and semi-unironically.
It just kind of depends.
There's a good hardcore show where the people are assholes and then there's bad hardcore shows where the people are assholes.
It's kind of hard to explain.
That's very true.
There's ones where, like, crowd killing's encouraged, and there's other ones where it's like, fuck outta here with that noise.
I mean, I'm not... Okay, I didn't really want to take this post that seriously, but... Oh, sorry.
No, crowd killing sucks.
Sorry, it's just a lifestyle, bud.
I'm sorry that I'm... You know, it's a lifestyle.
I can't help it.
We're just some hardcore boys.
What are you gonna do?
You know?
Yeah.
I don't play around when it comes to dancing, bud.
There will presumably be a small handful of mentally unstable people in attendance in possession of firearms.
What?
I don't remember that being an issue.
Yeah, that's just hardcore.
I love that, yeah, there's going to be people there with firearms and they're also going to be totally twisted.
I remember hearing about some show where that band Bad Luck 13 played, and they had a trash can full of loaded guns and threw it into the crowd.
Yeah, Gehenna shows, notorious for passing out loaded revolvers as well.
But only the mentally unstable ones.
They're the ones that might have the guns.
Those are the ones you have to worry about.
Yeah, they look at your tattoos.
They look at your tattoos before they see if you have any, and they give them to you.
It sounds like how people talk about that Reno Straight Edge scene from the mid-2000s, where they're like, no, no, you can get shot, dude.
Dude, if you smoke a cigarette, you can get shot outside.
They'll say, where are you?
Don't smoke a cigarette outside.
Like, I love, like, the idea, oh man, if you ever go to, like, a Courage Crew show, they, like, dance with switchblades in the pit and shit, but it's, like, some guy, like, with a handgun, like, marching around, swinging it around and, like, floor-punching the barrel into the floor.
Just shooting it into the ground, just, like... Instead of two-stepping, they're double-tapping.
I WANNA SEE SOME BLOOD ON THE FLOOR!
Oh shit, alright.
Cool.
Okay, that was fast.
Alright, that was a little too efficient.
Yeah, doing like a fancy two-step while twirling the gun around on the trigger.
Dimash calls like, alright everybody, I want everyone to reload right now.
When this shit drops, Somebody does the actual Rambo sound drop in the First Blood EP.
Cut the shit and load your clip.
Uh, yeah, I just, hey, I don't think I want to go to a show where you're like, yeah, there's going to be mentally unstable people with firearms there.
Yeah.
Like that, I mean, like I've been to some sketchy shows.
I don't know if like, if you're advertising it that way, I don't think I want to go to that show.
No.
Yeah, I'm good.
If you've been saying slanderous things about someone over the course of the past year, you will assuredly be confronted and presumably, at least, be smacked.
In this case, this is strictly like internet drama they're talking about, right?
Yeah.
I mean, that's been hardcore forever though, but... Yeah.
So it's like, yeah, yeah, sure, uh-huh.
That happens, yeah.
Accountability, they're saying, right?
Uh, you will be in the presence of some people not wearing facial coverings.
This may or may not result in symptoms ranging from a mild cold to dying.
So are they acknowledging that COVID's real?
Yeah, that's the sickest thing.
That's how you, like, I don't know, that's how you make it edgy at the same time.
You're like, yeah, I would die for this shit.
What about you?
I love that.
I love that.
Yeah, COVID's real.
I don't have the vaccine.
I would die for this shit.
You gotta die for the mosh.
Look, you gotta know, when you step into the pit, you might, you know, break a bone or, you know, cough up blood until you die.
Like, it's an option.
Both are an option.
Some people's dancing style might be permanently affected by perpetual symptoms after contracting COVID-19.
Not being able to breathe being one of them.
Crowd killing is just coughing.
My dance style determines your death style?
Yeah, that's right.
Worst of all, you might potentially be exposed to feelings or opinions that may differ from yours and that of your hand-selected Twitter feed.
This has a very slight chance of forcing critical thinking on your behalf.
That's usually what happens at hardcore shows is lots of critical thinking.
Yeah.
Like, the most I'm gonna be challenged at a hardcore show is, uh, the band is gonna want me to pray.
And I'm gonna be like, no, no thank you.
Or they'll talk about animal rights for... before, like, their set.
Listen, that doesn't even happen anymore, you know?
No.
No, not at all.
I'm not even against that, but, like, it just doesn't happen anymore.
Uh, if I were, if I were, like, giving this same speech or this same lecture to, like, bands that were gonna play hardcore sets and hardcore shows, just from my experience, like, the advice I would give would be, like, worst of all, Buttercup, you might potentially be exposed to incorrect lyrics when people pretend like they know what they're singing into the microphone.
And it might force some critical thinking on your behalf.
Maybe you didn't write the correct lyrics.
Maybe you should consider the feelings of others when you're writing songs.
I fucking love that.
That's the best, man.
You reminded me of that when you brought up animal rights.
My old hardcore band played the last show for a medium-tier vegan band, and we covered Integrity.
Wow.
Weird.
Second Integrity.
Drop of the night.
We covered Integrity, and yeah, that person sang totally incorrect lyrics into the microphone when I handed it to them.
That rules.
But that's just a hardcore show, baby.
You're going to get exposed to all kinds of challenging ideas.
I do like the idea of a pre-song monologue about how you support guns but not ones for hunting.
Listen, hey, if you need the lyrics to Abraxas Annihilation to be perfect every time, sorry.
You're in the wrong spot.
But yeah, I also like, yeah, worst of all, you might be exposed to differing opinions.
Like when the previous paragraph was, if you said anything bad about me, I'm gonna hit you.
Yeah.
Also, what are they warning me about?
Are they like, you might hear someone, you know, espousing nationalist talking points?
Yeah.
Like that's what they're saying, right?
Yeah.
It's like, I mean, I don't know, I guess that sucks, but I feel like that used to be a thing that if you really did hear that, then there would be an issue, but it wouldn't be against you.
Anybody who's posting something this corny and this, like, milquetoast and this boomer, they definitely mean, like, they're gonna get up on stage and say, like, Don Lemon is not my god!
And then expect, like, a riot to start because they dared go against CNN.
Hell yeah.
That's what this person is talking about.
Or they're gonna say something like, you know, small business lives matter on stage.
Not my president.
It's not even the real things that have actually happened that we've experienced.
Like, we just got back from playing a show in Israel.
That's cool, right?
Like, that's not even the talk.
We're talking about actual, just like, corny shit.
Hey, you know they want to censor you.
They want to tell you what you can and can't say.
They want to tell you what you can and can't do.
And what you can and can't shoot.
And we're not going to stand for that.
Yeah, I don't think this band is One Life Crew or anything.
I don't think they're doing racist La Migra bits on stage or anything.
Are new albums dropping on MyPillow Records?
Hell yeah.
MyPillow Records is definitely an emo label though.
That's true.
Yeah.
If any of these possibilities sound a bit daunting or off-putting to you, it is in our professional opinion that hardcore may or may not be the ideal hobby or, quote, aesthetic that is right for you in the upcoming future.
Thank you for considering.
Maybe see you there.
Maybe never see you again.
Well, joke's on you, because the one thing I don't take seriously is, like, pro-core.
So I don't want to hear a professional hardcore opinion.
Yeah, Professional Hardcore Opinion sounds like the name of a good, clean, fun record.
Which would probably rule.
It would probably be fairly funny.
So yeah, it's nice to see a crossover of Facebook boomer posting with a Pittsburgh hardcore scene.
Hey, if Facewreck ever tours the West Coast, I'll come to Seattle or you can come down here.
We can go see him.
Well, I don't know, man.
I don't want to be exposed to shocking rhetoric.
Like, I believe both sides are wrong.
I don't know if I can handle that.
How about every hardcore band that has members that were over 35 last year was like, listen, we gotta stop these killings because all lives matter, and just not knowing the talking points.
Oh, you mean like Chokehold?
Chokehold and I think Cro-Mags.
I mean, I don't know how much people expect from Cro-Mags at this point, but... The JJ Cro-Mags or the... Yeah.
The Harley Cro-Mags.
Oh no, it was a Harvey Cro-Mags, yeah.
Oh, okay.
I was gonna say John Jost is pretty centrist, too.
Yeah, totally.
But I just love that it was just like that they definitely... It was funny because it was just ignorant.
It wasn't even like that malicious.
It was just ignorant.
They were like... No, solidarity!
No, that's... Shut the fuck up, you idiots!
Well, I think Chokehold... Let me look it up to make sure it was Chokehold.
Oh, that's a bad name ban to say anything at all over the past couple years.
Yeah, well, I guess, yeah.
They're fucking great.
Yeah, I think it was them, yeah.
I think it was the singer for Gloss called him out and called him racist for saying that.
And he was like, I'll fucking fight you if you call me racist!
It was like, once again, how racist is the n-word for white people.
It's like, how dare you?
I'm so mad.
I would never be racist.
That's offensive to me.
Now you're offending me.
You crossed the line.
You crossed the line.
That's the obvious way to roll.
Yeah.
You know, not a solution.
Still a good song, though.
True.
Let's move on to the final topic of this episode.
Oh, we're gonna get real hardcore right now.
That's right.
Real Orange County hardcore.
Oh my god, yeah.
I think this is Florida.
This is Orlando hardcore.
Orange County, Florida.
I don't even want to know how tough those crews are.
This is what?
Remembering Never?
I can't think of any beat down Florida bands right now.
There was someone else from Tallahassee.
Cool story, dude.
But most importantly, what else is from Florida?
What else is in Florida?
Not from.
Well, the author of this op-ed, I'm assuming is from somewhere around Florida, because the op-ed is titled, I Love Disney World, But Wokeness is Ruining the Experience.
And this was published in the Orlando Sentinel.
And this was brought to my attention by Nick.
Nick posted it in the Facebook group, but also it just like went viral because of the, I think because of the strong points that this person made.
It's rare that we get an actual well-done analysis of Disney World like we had here.
I think we need to be more critical of Disney and its partners, and I think this person really called them to task.
You know, I like this.
Yeah, I don't have the author's name because I had to get it from a secondary plain text source because it's behind a paywall.
Jonathan Van Buskert.
Yeah.
Weird.
I was going to say something like, you know, Michael, Michael, Michael White.
Okay.
I don't, I don't, I don't know.
I don't know what that means.
I just think it's a good generic name.
Oh, okay.
All right.
It's a good guess.
It's a safe, it's a, it's a pretty safe guess.
Something Mormon sounding.
Yeah.
Okay, my family and I have been loyal Disney customers for decades.
We vacation at Disney World every year.
We take a Disney cruise every year or two.
Consequently, we spend way too much money in Orlando.
So already, like, yeah, already you're like a freak.
I'm sorry.
They already spend more money than I make a year on Disney.
What business do you have writing an op-ed?
You are more removed from me, the reader, than a Heritage Foundation think tank guy.
You know who is this supposed to be?
Oh, I'm just like you.
I spend half my mortgage at Disney World every year.
It's other extreme couponers with a Disney World hobby.
You know this guy is a small business owner.
Oh, no doubt.
No doubt.
Unfortunately, I am strongly rethinking our commitment to Disney and, thus, Orlando.
So he's trying to, like, appeal to the city of Orlando by shaming Disney or something.
And again, this was posted in the Orlando Sentinel.
So maybe he thinks he can, like, rally the citizens of Orlando to flex on Disney?
Somehow?
It seems more like, I mean my interpretation even was that he's like trying to rally like lawmakers or something like that to help with tourism.
Yeah he's trying to get a bill passed to put the rape back in Pirates of the Caribbean.
I think they did a good job by getting rid of the rape and instead putting in somebody who's actually abused his partners.
You know, putting an actual, like, you know, someone who likes to hit women in the ride instead.
I think that was much cooler.
Who?
They put Johnny Depp, like, an actual Johnny Depp character in Pirates of the Caribbean.
And in the same process of taking that chasing scene out.
Well, they reversed the chase.
They didn't even take it out, they just reversed it.
How did I know this?
There's multiple parts.
There's an auction for a woman that they got rid of.
That's the redhead.
That's the redhead.
I was learning so much in the Fox News comments section about what's wrong with Disney now.
Yeah, no, yeah.
Taking out the pirate raping and pillaging and putting in Johnny Depp.
Yeah, out of the frying pan and into the fire.
And taking out the sex slave auction.
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
I think it's a good move because it's telling people, like, look, this isn't a joke.
These people really exist.
Like Johnny Depp.
Here he is.
Unfortunately, I am strongly rethinking our commitment to Disney and, thus, Orlando.
I'm sorry, this person is never gonna stop going to Disney World.
Like, there's so much more to this article, but it's just, it's gas.
It's hot air.
You're talking about how you already admit that you spend too much money on Disneyland and Orlando.
You know you have a problem.
This motherfucker's gonna go in for just a dull whip and bounce.
Like, he needs it.
He needs his Disney fix.
The more Disney moves away from the values and vision of Walt Disney, the less Disney World means to me.
Disney is forgetting that guest immersion is at the core of its business model.
Again, this is like a 45-year-old man writing this article.
When I stand in Galaxy's Edge or Fantasyland, I know I am in a theme park, but through immersion and my willingness to set the real world aside, something magical happens.
I mean, he's right.
This is so far away from Walt Disney Wanted.
Last time I was at Disneyland, I saw so many Jews and so many black people.
And I had to pretend like, no, this is Walt Disney's place.
I just don't see them.
That spell is broken when the immersive experience is shattered by the real world.
And boy, has Disney been breaking the immersion.
Recently, Disney announced that cast members are now permitted to display tattoos, wear inclusive uniforms, and display inclusive haircuts.
Disney did all of this in the name of allowing cast members to express themselves.
And I love this too because it's like, you know, it's corporate human resources speak for, uh, you know, having a hair dye or something, but it's like, you know, that this, the only reason this happened was because like somebody who was a Sikh, like was told they couldn't wear their head, their head garment, you know?
Totally.
Yeah.
And so they're like, okay, you know what?
We have a new policy that allows for inclusive dress, whether it's a Labre piercing or a religious artifact.
It's just, okay, so now we can criticize the SJWs.
Now we can hide behind a pink-haired college student or something.
Yeah, totally, totally.
I mean, like, I think that was a big thing, too.
Like, there was an article along, like, a few years ago about, like, women being able to wear hijabs on, like, on the job and it not fitting, like, they're not matching their uniform policy or whatever was going on over there.
So, I mean, I think it has more to do with that and less to do with, like, tattoos and pink hair.
And listen, if you look up Ariel with tattoos, you're gonna get a lot of hits on the internet.
A lot of hits, yep.
I don't know what these people are complaining about.
I don't usually look up Ariel with tattoos.
I just look up Rockabilly Ariel.
There's so many different types of Ariel.
You have to be specific.
There's Rockabilly Ariel.
There's emo Ariel.
There's hipster Ariel.
There's goth Ariel.
Oh is there like scene girl Ariel?
Is there Ariel with like big hair?
There's electro swing Ariel.
I think really they're okay with any type of Ariel except one.
Judging by the reaction from the movie.
Was there a black Ariel?
Yeah, there's going to be a live action Little Mermaid and the aerial they cast is black and a lot of people weren't happy about that.
I mean, that's just wokeness, you know?
I mean, that's just like, that doesn't make much sense.
I mean, as we all know, like, mermaids have to swim.
And so that might, I don't, how am I supposed to believe that?
Uh, I think you're supposed to... It's fantasy, Tony.
You're supposed to suspend your belief that it's just in a fantasy realm a black person will be able to swim.
Well, I can't because I know that mermaids are scientifically possible and I'm a hard sci-fi person, but I can't believe that, you know, a mermaid would be black because that would involve living in the water and, you know, swimming in American black.
It's just not a big, not a, not, stereotypically.
If I learn anything from Mr. Biden, they're going to be too busy looking at leg hairs.
What if they introduce a character in the world of The Little Mermaid that will be a scientist in the community?
Imagine in Dune how there's a planetologist on the scene explaining the ecosystem of the planet.
What if there's a scientist who's explaining the evolution of the Black Mermaids as the story progresses?
No, this is a good idea.
We can get Chet Hanks to do the voice for him.
He can be a crab, maybe?
Yeah, he can be the Jamaican crab.
Yeah, I think this is a great idea.
We're onto something here.
I think the funniest thing about that, seriously, was people were like, well, no, no, no, it's not because I'm racist.
It's because it's like, Ariel is supposed to be Norwegian or something weird like that.
They're just like, well then how is a crab Jamaican being like, how is like a Jamaican crab okay then?
No, in the Hans Christian Andersen version of Little Mermaid, there's not necessarily like references to a Jamaican crab, but there is a lot of references to kind bud.
Hmm.
I believe in like the original fable, the mermaid is actually like also kind of a monster and then she like dies at the end.
She's like hideous too.
Yeah, I mean that would be that would be cool.
I'm surprised we haven't gotten like a dark universe little mermaid yet.
Yeah, at least it was called Shape of Water.
More?
Okay.
The problem is, I'm not traveling across the country, so he's not even from Florida.
The problem is, I'm not traveling across the country and paying thousands of dollars to watch someone I do not know express themselves.
I'm there for the immersion and fantasy, not the reality of a stranger's self-expression.
They're talking about cotton candy vendors.
They're worried about seeing a character with a face tattoo.
This rule is for the thousands of employees who are not characters necessarily.
You should be able to have a tattoo and operate the Jungle Cruise.
But this person is like, nope.
They're all characters.
They're all...
They're all wholesome, they're all not that.
Well, Disney backed themselves into a corner because they wanted to get cute with like the way they brand the parks and so they named every employee there a cast member.
It's like how Starbucks does associate or whatever.
Partners.
Partners.
It's that sort of thing but for Disney.
So yeah, they've already like given these fucking adult babies these self-absorbed What do you call it?
Like, just expectant babies grasping out with their pudgy little hands the impression that they are going to be surrounded by actors.
That everybody in the park has to be an actor for their benefit.
Why would Disney call them cast members if they weren't contributing to my experience?
Like he thinks he's in the Truman Show or something like that when he's at Disney World.
Totally.
He wants to believe he could be in the Truman Show.
And like every time he sees like, you know, a rubber bracelet sticking out from somebody's sleeve, like it's a reference to the outside world.
And he's like, no, this is driving me insane.
My reality is shattered.
Is that like a Nike logo on your sock?
What is this swoosh mark?
I've never seen this before.
What is this cotton sock?
Where did you get this from?
I mean if he is a Disney person what I think he's failing to realize here is that they cast people like where they would fit in.
So even if someone has tattoos they're gonna put them like by pirates or like Star Wars or something like that.
Where it like fits that that world.
Yeah.
Like, it's not even gonna be, like, some person, like, in Fantasyland with a tattoo.
It's gonna be, like, wherever that person would fit in real life or in that realm or whatever.
Uh, I do not begrudge these people their individuality, and I wish them well in their personal lives, but I do not get to express my individuality at my place of business.
It's like, well, sorry.
Sucks for you, dude.
Yeah, it sucks.
Maybe you should get a job at Disneyland.
Yeah.
And again, this is probably mostly like the, mostly the reason for this change, I'm just assuming, would be for like, you know, to accommodate their religious garb, like hijabs or like, you know, a Sikh's turban.
Yeah.
Dude, that would be so sick if I got served like, you know, a churro or cotton candy by some guy wearing a knife on him.
I'd be like, fuck yeah.
I'm like, that doesn't, that doesn't clash with my idea of Disneyland at all.
Yeah.
I would feel really weird though if I did only see Sikhs in like the Indiana Jones.
I think that's what they would do though, you know?
Yeah, that's exactly what they would do.
The first question to every Sikh that walks in is, how do you feel about snakes?
Yeah.
Or how do you feel about doing the Jungle Cruise?
Yeah, yeah.
This motherfucker probably would be like, like, oh, I'm in Tomorrowland.
I saw a Seek.
That's impossible.
There's no Seeks in the future.
Yep, yep, yep.
Uh and then yeah it's just it's I do not begrudge these people their individuality and I wish them well in their personal lives but I do but it's like fuck you man no one gives a shit like I don't know how you got this op-ed published but everybody is for everybody except the Fox News comment section which we'll get to is fucking laughing at you for a how embarrassing it is to be this devoted to uh you know a theme park as an adult If you like it, if you have fun, no problem.
It can be fun.
I can't afford it, but theme parks are fun or whatever.
You have no right to dictate the services that somebody else provides for you.
I'm sorry.
You're the mark.
You already wasted...
Tens of thousands?
Hundreds of thousands of dollars on this endeavor?
They rinsed you, dude.
If you can, wash your hands and walk away.
You're already in the red.
The thing that's the most insane is change everything you're doing for the one week my family and I take a vacation here once a year.
Yeah.
As we'll see in the replies, A lot of people are just complaining because it's changing, you know?
Yeah.
And it's like, yes, adults are the ones with money, but I'm assuming Disney World's primary target is adults who care less about Disney World or Disneyland than their own children do.
You know, I used to think that, but I don't think that's true anymore.
I think that there's, like, a bunch of adults who, like, this is their lifestyle.
Like, they go there.
I think there's... I know those people exist, but I don't think they're the majority.
I think Disney... No, I think the last time I was at Disneyland, which has been a minute, I saw, like, way more independent adults.
You went on an independent adult day, probably.
That's true.
Or like grown couples and stuff like that, than I did kids.
I really think that's true.
There is a ton of adults like, okay, so I'm going to embarrass myself here.
I pretty much had a Disneyland pass since I was like 15 years old.
How much is it now?
How much is it for you?
I don't know.
I can't afford it now.
It doesn't exist anymore.
It's gone now.
They got rid of it.
I wouldn't buy one now.
It's like $1,200 or something like that.
When I used to get them, I would like save up all my money and it would be like $300 and I could go every day of the year if I wanted to.
That would be worth it if you enjoyed it.
Nothing wrong with that.
And you know, you can actually ride all the rides and experience all the whimsy.
Just get like, just fucking full to the brim of the whimsy.
Yeah.
What was your favorite ride?
What'd you like to do there?
I'd like, we'd just go there, hang out, people watch, and like eat, and then just like go ride Pirates of the Caribbean and like Haunted Mansion.
Haunted Mansion's a fun one.
My mom would pick me up or whatever.
But yeah, it was just fun.
It is sick to be like, I want a Monte Cristo.
Yeah.
I'm gonna go get that.
I want a fuck, like I said, I want a Dole Whip.
I'm gonna go get that.
Like, I do get that, but that's what I'm saying.
That is the majority of the people that I've seen there is, like, grown-ups.
It is a whole lifestyle, and it's wild.
Pirates used to be one of my favorite attractions.
My family would always ride it first on our first day at the Magic Kingdom.
Now we do not even ride it every trip.
Wow.
Owned.
Pirates of the Caribbean owned.
When my family rides Pirates now, each of the changed scenes takes us out of the illusion because they remind us of reality and the politics that forced the changes.
So this is what I'm talking about.
These people are just mad because something changed.
They have to like process new information.
This is like what we've been talking about when people complain about the Aunt Jemima logo or the Miss Butterworth or whatever is that that's just how they like recognized something.
That's the label is how they recognized a thing.
And now you've taken away like a buoy, you've taken away like a touchstone to reality for them.
They have so little tethering them to reality or so little to like cling to that is worthy in this world that you're just like upending their lives by removing the skipper or something from the Jungle Cruise.
Yeah.
What's great is the way he's phrasing it is he's saying, hey you're making me think about this stuff.
It's almost like you're making me feel like a woman felt when she was on Pirates or a black person felt when they saw Trader Sam.
You're making me feel that and that sucks.
I don't want to think about the political things here.
And so they can't have empathy with that, they just hate it.
They don't understand what's happening here.
I'm sure plenty of people, women and people of color, are able to enjoy these rides despite their flaws, despite their... Well, like I said, I did on accident.
I'm just too dumb.
This guy is refusing to do that.
He's refusing to enjoy something despite like alterations that he disagrees with or whatever and the difference is I, uh, I don't know.
I think it's pretty evident that Disney is trying to market to a new generation.
They're trying to market to maybe the solo adults, Tony, like you said you saw, who are our age.
They're not 45.
They're not 55.
They're millennial age or the, you know, millennial age kid, uh, people who are taking their kids to Disneyland.
Those same millennials and like their kids do not have an emotional reality bending investment into the skipper pun or whether the uh pirate is chasing the woman clockwise or whether the woman is chasing the pirate counterclockwise.
They don't they don't have the same emotional connection that the previous generation did and it's just literally like this is changing and I'm and I don't want it to change.
Now the unfortunate thing is is like This is a business decision.
This is being made for, I would assume, you know, profit-motivated reasons.
But it's being tied into, like, the idea of political morality or it's being tied to the idea of justice or whatever.
And so it's just like a huge mess of pseudo-politics that's just annoying to talk about from most respects.
Yeah I mean it's so weird to me like wouldn't I don't know it's like if you're going to do something every year wouldn't you want that to be changed or a little bit different like oh cool they're doing something new to it like it's a different experience.
I just don't understand that like why you would it needs to be the same for this guy to like feel safe in his little like bubble he's living in I guess.
Yeah, that's exactly it.
He's built like this weird cocoon, this weird psychic cocoon that hinges entirely on, you know, the makeup of Disney and like, I don't know, it's like coming home and your security blanket is a different color or something.
Yeah.
I guess.
I guess.
I mean, it's just so bizarre to me.
Disney World is going to lose us as customers if it continues down this path.
I love that as well.
Oh, you better not.
You better not do the 23rd alteration to Pirates of the Caribbean.
I'm so close to giving up on you, Disney.
You better not.
I do not want to have Disney World taken away from us because Disney cares more about politics than happy guests.
This should matter to the people of Orlando because if Disney drives away customers like me, Orlando loses money.
I can take my tourist dollars elsewhere.
Again, no you can't.
I sincerely doubt.
There's no experience like, I mean, yeah.
There's not another experience like it.
Yeah.
Customer experience should be the core of your business model.
Immersion should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness and appeasing the Twitter mob.
And again, most of these changes, as far as I can tell, to Disneyland and Disney World are to incorporate new properties.
The new Pixar properties, the new princesses, Marvel and Star Wars.
Sorry man, people don't fucking care about Trader Sam the same way they care about Princess Leia.
Like, that's just the bottom... That's the bottom line.
You're, like, you're dying.
I'm sorry.
You're just gonna have to cope.
This article was getting thoroughly dunked on by the internet, but I wanted to find, like, the people who agreed with it.
I wanted to find, like, the people who were like, yeah, this is my person.
Like, you know, maybe Alex can't relate.
To somebody who spends 10 grand to go to Disney World every single year, but I sure can.
And I found some just amazing people in the Fox News comments section, such as Philip 895, who says, my wife and I live in the Florida Keys and would still drive the four and a half hours several times a year to enjoy Disney World.
We have been pass holders for nearly 20 years.
We cancelled our passes and we no longer spend our time or money at Disney.
People of all cultures from around the world and America have been going to Disney since its inception with no problems and now they are changing for political correctness.
It's just sad.
That's definitely the saddest part about your story about driving four and a half hours several times a year to see Disneyland and having annual passes for 20 years.
Isn't it kind of weird that you're like, I mean, I guess Florida's huge like California, but it's just like, imagine being in Florida and still having to drive four and a half hours to Disney World.
That's, that's...
That's wild.
That's like getting a punch card for a coffee shop in San Francisco.
And I like this reasoning here.
People of all cultures from around the world and America have been going to Disney since its inception with no problems and now they are changing for political correctness.
It's just sad.
And it's like...
You're acknowledging that Disney World was like for you, right?
Like, oh, this used to be my favorite thing, it fit me perfectly, and everybody else could enjoy it too.
But now that they're changing it so that it's not for me specifically, I am unable to enjoy this.
Despite people who don't even speak English being able to enjoy something that different from their own culture.
Yep, yep.
This has like, they swapped out a different cartoon character and now my reality is shattered.
What's wild is like, this is like the first time they've been confronted with something like this, is what it seems like.
And they're thinking, you know, because I paid for this, I come here to get away from it all.
I come here to go to this fantasy land and you're making me look at this?
This is awful.
I don't want to see tattoos.
They make me upset.
Well, it's like you, uh, going, going to Starbucks or whatever, you have to see, you know, millennials with their tattoos or whatever.
And there's, there's nothing you can do about it.
But Disney world, like that should be a sacred place.
It should be a place where, where you can be free of the reality that young people exist and like have their own motivations, have their own autonomy.
You think this guy has another op-ed about like bat day?
Do you know what Bat Day is, Alex?
No, nobody knows.
Please, like anybody else knows what Bat Day is.
Nick, you know what Bat Day is, right?
Like when you get a free bat at the baseball stadium?
No, it's goth day.
It's goth day at Disneyland.
Am I the only person that had like a legit goth girlfriend?
Yeah, a legit Nightmare Before Christmas goth girlfriend.
Sorry, we couldn't have all been so blessed.
She literally grew up to run a mortuary, so a very legit goth girlfriend.
That's pretty tight then.
But yeah, Bat Day.
It's goth day at Disneyland.
But see, that's only one day out of the year, and you can just plan your vacation around that.
Yeah.
Patrick Moro says, I live two minutes from Disney World, parentheses, fireworks vibrate my windows.
We canceled our annual passes, seven total.
The changes to Splash Mountain was my final straw, parentheses, after a bunch of other little things.
So again, theme park meant for children, right?
You're so racist.
They are so goddamn racist.
That was loud, whatever that is.
I'm sorry, that was some kind of speed race car guy.
Do you have a Nitro Circus in your backyard, dude?
I do.
I'm at my office, which is by like a big street.
Tell Travis Pastrana we said what up.
Yeah.
Okay.
Uh, you have like five kids, I guess, that you were taking to Disney World and now you have to explain to them because they changed the animatronics on the log ride that they're not allowed to go anymore.
No, the reality is they live with six other people and they live with six other people blocks away from Disneyland, which is almost assuredly a tiny house or an apartment so that they can have Disneyland annual passes.
I mean, yeah, maybe.
That's probably what it is.
I think that's what it is.
But they're all also racist.
So they were like, well, I can't feel I can't feel free anymore.
I used to like feel like I was in the South.
Now they're locked in with like a 30 year, 30 year lease.
And they got to drive their ass to fucking Universal Studios.
Well, this is the insane part.
Like, just, you live within two minutes of Disney World.
Maybe you did, uh, move there for Disney World.
Um, and now you canceled your membership and you still have to hear fireworks rattle your windows from your, like, your, your scorn, your spurned lover every single night.
That's brutal.
That rocks.
Man, you gotta move.
It's like living, like, next door to your spouse and just hearing her, like, hearing them, like, fuck.
Yeah, hearing the fireworks go off at midnight every night.
Yeah, you're like, god damn it.
Tetheridge says, so agree.
I got married at Disney and own shares.
But if they continue this path, well, I guess they can count on the woke community to fund them.
I'm sure they have the same dollars.
Hey, what's Universal doing?
I like Harry Potter.
Yes, Disney, there are options.
Is that how they think they make money through shares?
They make some of their money through shares, I'm sure.
Yeah, but like if you don't, if you sell your, your 30 shares, I'm sure they're going to be fine.
I think they'll be fine.
Yeah.
I, I love the idea of just like a fucking loser with no personality being like, I got options, baby.
I can be parasocially attached to this theme park over here.
Universal Studios.
I can, fuck.
I can, I can, I can take up, uh, I can take up CrossFit, baby.
I'll go get married at Harry Potter next time.
You know?
I got options, baby.
You're not the only fish in the sea.
I'm surprised more right-wing people haven't jumped over to Universal just because of, like, J.K.
Rowling's beliefs.
Yeah.
They're like, I'll take it.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, sure.
She's a woman and a liberal, but she's real transphobic.
I'll take it at this point.
Hey Disney, me and my partner, we're not big fans of trans rights.
Also, we're losing our magic.
I think it's time to check out Universal.
Uh, Truth Be Told says, uh, if the left is still in control after the next elections, we need to start preparing for an inevitable war.
It will be our last option to stop this madness.
There it is!
Let's go!
I meant to read that one first, just to get it out of the way.
Minions Law.
Minions Law.
Dude, we gotta start making Defend Disney World t-shirts.
Oh man, I would wear that one even less than a Defend Pop Punk t-shirt.
Doug, I guarantee you there's a Violent Gentleman Defend Disneyland shirt.
I guarantee it.
There has to be.
I made a That Awful Sound sticker that I never actually got printed and it was Defend Butt Rock in the impact font and then it had the Mark Tremonti PRS in the center like an assault rifle.
Dude, that's sick.
I'm sorry, did you just say that you made a ButtFest 2000 sticker that says Defend ButtRock?
I would run it.
Yeah, I could probably run it.
I still have the graphic.
Finally, yeah, Bella Girl said, all these comments had like hundreds of likes, right?
Like, dude, this will be our last stand on the shores of the Magic Kingdom.
Bella Girl says, uh, boycott Disney.
Let our children be children.
Not one child has ever felt they were being treated unjustly.
It's the adults that are ruining our children.
This comment is so confusing.
Uh, boycott Disney.
Let our children be children.
So we're gonna let our children just enjoy things by, uh, forbidding them from visiting Disneyland.
Um, also, not one child has ever felt they were being treated unjustly.
Uh, therefore we are going to rip them out of Disneyland because they never felt like they were being treated unjustly.
It's the adults that are ruining our children.
Your children aren't being ruined.
It's your weird adult attachment to Disney that is being ruined.
Your child does not care about zippity-doo-dah.
I'm sorry.
They don't.
Yeah.
You know, uh, it was like, I think one of the last times we went to Disney, uh, my My son said, Dad, remember that Pirates ride?
And I was like, yeah.
He's like, why, why isn't that woman being sold for sex anymore?
And he was really upset by it.
And I just, that was, that was the last, that was the final straw for me.
Did you comfort him by showing him, um, traffic is very much happening through, like, the sale of cabinets and drawers?
Okay, cool, good.
Yeah, I explained the Wayfair thing and said, hey, it's okay, it's still happening.
And then we watched an old video of it, of the ride on YouTube, and then everything was okay.
He felt comforted.
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