This week we connect the Scorsese film Gangs of New York to the modern millennial conservatives who idolize its racist, nationalist antagonist, Bill The Butcher, and chat a little about Trump voters stirring up election mayhem. Music: The Cardigans - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Support the show at http://patreon.com/miniondeathcult and get a bonus episode every week as well as access to every previous bonus episode
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The one that you just, oh, is it you doing something cool naked?
Yeah, I'm recording.
Um, I was, I was naked and I was getting an ice cube for, uh, my, my whiskey.
Uh-huh.
It was the last, it was the last ice cube and I was pulling it out of the rubber, the rubber tray in my freezer, you know, that like freezes the, the big cool ice cubes.
Uh-huh.
Um, and I bungled it.
I bungled the pole out of the, the rubber tray.
It like, you know, comically did a boing and like shot the ice cube.
Into the air and I, and I bobbled it for like 15 seconds.
My last ice cube was about to hit the floor.
Oh shit.
Where my, where my kitties walk with their, their cat shit.
Their gross poop paws.
Tainted claws.
And I frickin caught it.
Yes.
Yes.
Naked.
In the nude.
And the ice cube didn't even like touch my dick or anything.
I was hoping you just landed right on your dick and you caught it like one does the towel picture.
It's a perfect shelf.
Nudity had nothing to do with this cool act.
That's my point.
No, I think that maybe it's like a pendulum type balance situation where you might not have had the composure if that thing was like, you know, wrapped up.
It was like you tucked away.
That's a question we gotta... Like a cheetah that uses its tail.
We have to, I think we'll have to run some, we'll have to try to, we'll have to try to isolate that to figure that out.
But what I'm saying is to the observer, my nudity had nothing to do with this like feat of agility, this feat of deftness, of high hand coordination.
And yet, because of the nudity, no one was allowed to see this cool thing that I did.
And that's my and that's my point is that it's it's not fair because I'm like I'm pretty cool like even it's almost especially when I'm naked.
I do a lot of cool stuff when I'm naked that that like nobody I don't get to brag about I mean I could brag about it but how do you know I'm not lying?
How do you know I'm not lying about catching the ice cube?
That's true.
That's true.
It's it's almost like you should be allowed To be naked more often so that you can be seen more often doing cooler things.
Like be naked more often in more places.
Just for practical reasons.
Like it's not a sexual thing.
It's not like an adventurism thing or whatever.
It's just, no.
It's just like, you know, I mean sometimes you do cool stuff when you're naked and like people might enjoy seeing it but based purely on how cool the thing you did was.
Just because of the heat, I would be a lot better off if I could just be nude all of August.
Just all of August if I could just not wear clothes, my quality of life would go up.
I don't know if I would do anything cooler, because I think the fact that it's so hot would actually harsh my cool factor.
That's a sticky situation, both literally and figuratively.
I would have some sort of mister situation.
Some sort of mister moist towelette situation on deck at all times.
To the viewer, you could just be sweating and pretending you're spraying yourself with mist.
Is it sexier to be sweaty or to be misted?
Which one is sexier?
I guess it depends on the person.
It depends on your taste.
Yeah, it depends.
Have you ever been around me while I have BO?
Because that might change the game.
I went on tour with you and I don't think I ever smelled anything offensive.
I might have smelled you and it was fine, but I never smelled anything offensive.
I'm sure, like, everyone hears this, but, like, I've only been told that, like, my bad smells smell good.
Like, not, like, my armpit smells.
I've been told, like, my armpit stink is actually, like, a good stink.
Um.
By, yeah.
You know.
By, that's, that's pheromones, dude.
Yeah, like, like, by, like, biased people, like, you know, um, random, random, uh, men on the street.
So you don't need to go to one of those internet cologne companies where they're like, are you a gin guy or are you a bourbon bastard?
Yeah.
You're like, no, I'm just a fucking dude and people know it, you know?
I only get compliments when I don't wear deodorant.
That's what I'll say.
I'm not gonna brag.
I'm not gonna say anything that makes me sound cool because again, this is not about like sexuality or anything.
It's just about like, like I will brag about me catching an ice cube.
Like I feel like that takes like talent.
Like me having a big dick or like a good body or being like 6'4".
Like I didn't, I didn't achieve any of those things.
It was just handed to me.
Yeah, you had nothing to do with it.
That was just a gift.
That's your privilege.
So.
But not everybody with a good body and a nice dick that sticks four can catch an ice cube.
It just so happens there's a podcast hosted by two of them.
What luck.
I'm Alexander Edward, by the way.
I'm Tony Boswell.
We're Minion Death Cult.
The world is ending.
Which way are we going with this?
The Slow Hayden Bus is responsible.
Yeah.
We're documenting it.
So, we unlocked our Patreon episode for everybody.
We got an overwhelmingly positive response about that episode.
A lot of people really clicked with it and sent us really nice messages about it.
And I thought it was just because of my Steve Urkel impression.
I mean, I think so.
I thought it was my...
My bit about a cop doing blackface via Steve Urkel.
But it turns out they were actually talking about, like, Tony's earnest concern for marginalized communities in the face of a Trump win or a Biden win.
People are just really stoked to be bummed.
Pretty much.
And so, I don't know.
Solidarity to everybody who, who, I don't know, identified with what Tony was saying.
You really got to get in the Facebook group and like in the Twitter DMs and shit because people are saying a lot of nice stuff about you, dude.
Oh, okay.
I mean, I will.
I should.
I should.
My life is just so, uh... It's just a lot right now.
It's just a whole lot.
Yeah.
Well, I'm happy to relay those messages to you.
I'm more than happy to do that.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Thank you, everybody.
I appreciate you.
I feel it on, like, an energy level.
You know I feel like little little volts here and there um sharp pains throughout my body that I know are just like positive things that y'all are saying and I really appreciate it.
Well what you got to do is you got to get this thing called the muscle hook.
Oh I do though I really do though.
It's pretty fucking tight it's it's it looks like It looks like a hook that they use to like pull bad comedians off stage but like slightly smaller and what it does is it reaches around and it rubs all the muscles that you use while you're doing like debilitating physical labor throughout the day.
See I want one of those but the thing is I refuse to buy it unless I find it at like Marshalls.
You could.
I wouldn't be surprised if you found it at Ross or some shit.
I saw it there one time.
So I just check the little exercise section when I'm in there.
It's good, man.
It's only $30.
I recommend it.
You might be able to get it for 12 at a dollar store or something like that.
That's what I'm looking for.
I don't break those shits.
Yours looks sturdy.
Oh, it's sturdy.
Dude, it's got the muscle hook logo on both sides of the hook.
That's how you know it's fucking quality.
That thing looks, it looks very quality.
Yeah.
Um, anyway, so we, uh, we released that bonus episode, um, not in lieu of a free episode, obviously, since that's what you're listening to right now.
Uh, but just because we would, we would never do that ever.
We would never think about doing that.
I just didn't want to record on Sunday.
That was, that was my mode.
I was coming down from a good Halloween high, I got to play with kittens, and I got to watch Housew.
Have you ever watched Housew, Tony?
No.
What is this?
Housew is like... It's a master.
I'm gonna gush about Housew for like a minute and a half right now.
"Hausu" is a 1977 Japanese horror comedy masterpiece.
That I don't mean that ironically.
I mean like it's a genuine feat of filmmaking.
I haven't read, I want to read about the making of it and like who actually made it because it seems like it was made by like an insane person.
It seems like it was made by a singular A singular genius with just no connection to filmmaking, no connection to like previous technique.
It is like a stream-of-consciousness narrative about a young girl and her school friends going to visit her like secluded aunt who's actually a witch.
And then starts killing all of her friends and stealing their life essence to, like, become youthful and vivacious and vital again.
The OG Hocus Pocus.
Yeah, but it is like... The editing and the effects that are used are just, like, completely insane.
It is like... It's like watching... It's really hard to describe because I don't have, like, a filmmaking background or anything, but it is like...
Even just the normal parts where you're being introduced to like the girls, all of whom have names like the main character's name is Gorgeous, her friend's names are Sweet, and Mac whose characteristic is that she's always eating something and she's always hungry, and then there's Melody whose characteristic is she can play the piano, and then there's Kung Fu whose characteristic is that she's badass at fighting, and it's like
It's like this live-action Scooby-Doo thing with, like, incredible editing and, like, frenetic, insane editing.
Like, the best scene, go look up Housu, H-A-U-S-U, which is Japanese for house.
Housu piano scene on YouTube, where you see Melody, who's playing the piano, get eaten by the piano.
And you see her, like, not in this scene, the YouTube scene is too short,
But in the actual scene which goes on for like three minutes just her being eaten by the piano and being dismembered by the piano wires and then her uh different pieces of her body dancing around in the open piano while like a free jazz score plays and there's drawn on lightning like on the film itself drawn on like insane zigzags all over There's a scene where it's- Oh, I've seen gifs of this.
I'm looking at it now.
I've seen- this is awesome.
It closes up on her legs kicking while the upper half of her body is being eaten and her head floats by the like close-up of her butt and legs and like her head says, ooh, that's naughty.
Oh, that's- Oh, how nasty.
It's so good!
It's so good!
That's awesome!
It's like the funnest movie I've ever fucking seen.
It's like... It's a masterpiece.
Whole clock.
It looks rad.
I'm stoked.
It's on HBO Max.
If you got HBO Max, watch that shit.
Shout out to my exes, you feel me?
HBO Max, it's how we do.
All my exes gave me passwords.
That's right.
I got them all.
Yeah.
Prime.
Showtime.
That's good.
So, I also watched... I didn't tell Tony we were going to talk about this.
I mentioned it.
I also watched Gangs of New York yesterday.
Which I remember loving.
I remember being into that movie.
I watched it because I wanted something that I had already seen before.
I was like fucking dozing kind of throughout Sunday and I was like, I just want to put on something I kind of already know and enjoy.
And then in the back of my head, I was like, also, uh, you see when you're, when you're perusing Facebook, when you're perusing reactionary Facebook content, you tend to see some Bill the Butcher memes.
Yes.
Right?
Or tattoos.
Yeah, this like racist, violent guy, right?
Whom they love.
Whom these millennial and Gen Xer reactionary racists love.
And I was like, okay, maybe there's, maybe this is an episode.
Maybe there's like I don't know some sort of like grand unified theory of millennial or exer conservatism that you can pull out of this movie given its popularity given its extreme like reactionary characters and in watching it I was just like I don't know it's kind of just a good movie it's kind of just a really good movie but like but to identify with but to identify with him
I feel like it's not the same thing as identifying with Thanos, which I think some of us might have done.
It's pretty clear he's the bad guy in this movie.
The thing is, he's written sort of contradictorily.
Um, he's written as a guy with honor, right?
And that's, I feel like, one of the things that these people grab onto is that he has a moral code or that he's willing to, like, fight and suffer For what he believes.
Yeah.
Which I guess in the abstract is an admirable quality, but you can't, like, detach that virtue from his actual beliefs.
Like, I don't admire Nazis who are willing to die for their beliefs any more than I would, like, idolize Bill the Butcher for cutting out his own eye out of weakness, you know?
But when you have a Bill the Butcher, like, tattoo, you are saying, like, I am a nationalist.
Yes.
Right?
Okay, that's kind of what I'm getting at.
Well, you're either saying you're a nationalist or you're just a dumb guy who doesn't, like, know the word nationalist.
Or you're some guy who got, like, into, like, wanting to maybe be a butcher one day.
Remember when that happened?
You had, like, a beard.
You had, like, a mustache.
You had, like, a big knife.
You carried, like, a little bit big.
You had a sheath knife.
You couldn't cut hair, so you became a butcher.
and you like one time you went and bought like a like a quarter a quarter of beef and you you parted it out yourself and so you identify with them in that way so you got bill the butcher for that Um, one of the, I mean, not one of, the first guy we ever covered on Minion Death Cult, Adam Calhoun, has, I believe, like a framed portrait of Bill the Butcher in his house.
It's Bill the Butcher with, uh, with the American flag draped over his shoulders after he's survived an assassination attempt.
And he's just like such a fucking badass that it didn't kill him.
Got him in the shoulder and he still partied and yes, he still had sex with three women that night.
I forgot about how virile he was.
Yes, very virile.
Um, so there's a lot of things about, like, Build-A-Boy.
Like, he has, like, epic racist, like, disses.
You know, he has, like, epic racist moments.
And one of them is in the scene where, uh, he's, he's just been an assassination attempt Has, has happened to him.
Leonardo DiCaprio's character has basically saved his life because he's caught up in like, uh, you know, if you haven't seen the movie, Leonardo DiCaprio, DiCaprio's character was a young Irish immigrant whose father led one of the Irish gangs.
His father played by Liam Neeson, uh, who was killed by Bill the Butcher in like a gang brawl to decide who had control over their, their area of New York.
Uh, uh, what's, what's the guy, what's Bill the Butcher's actor's name?
What's his name?
Um, Daniel Day-Lewis.
Daniel Day-Lewis plays Bill the Butcher and is like the, the, uh... I don't, I don't know what the name of their gang is, but they're the Natives.
They call themselves like the Natives.
I think they are the Natives.
They call themselves the Natives.
Is it like the Rabbits, like the Rabbits and the Natives?
Yeah, it's the Dead Rabbits are the Irish group, and then the Natives.
And, uh, Bill the Butcher...
Ends up killing Liam Neeson's character who's the priest who is the leader of the dead rabbits in this brawl when Leonardo DiCaprio is a child so they gain control Leonardo DiCaprio as a child gets sent to like some child prison or something and raised there And then he, that's like the prologue of the movie, and then he comes out as Leonardo DiCaprio and ingratiates himself anonymously into Bill the Butcher's gang.
And he's like struggling with whether or not he's going to, you know, avenge his father's death, stand up for Irish pride, stand up for immigrant pride, or like, I don't know, be like Bill the Butcher's second-in-command.
Yeah, be successful.
Bill the Butcher takes a strong liking to him based on his grit, you know, and moxie, and that's despite his Irish background.
He knows he's Irish, right?
So...
Leonardo DiCaprio has diverted this assassination attempt on Daniel Day-Lewis at an opera.
He sees the guy coming, he pushes Bill out of the way so the bullet strikes his shoulder or whatever.
Saves Bill the Butcher's life.
Bill is like standing over the would-be assassin who has been shot by Leonardo DiCaprio.
And is asking him, who sent you?
Who sent you?
Who's your man?
Yadda, yadda, yadda.
And the guy is praying in Gaelic, praying in Irish, and he's like, speak English!
You're in America!
Speak English!
I'm gonna teach you to speak English with this knife!
And that's definitely something that a millennial conservative has said under his breath at an Asian on the freeway.
Abso-fucking-lutely, yes.
They have said it out loud on the freeway, but then they'll roll up windows and they're like a foot above everybody else on the freeway.
Yeah, that's, ugh, yeah.
There's a lot of, and it's, I mean, it's good writing, but it's like it's a racist guy saying it, you know what I mean?
It's a racist thing that this racist guy said, and just because it's good writing doesn't mean you have to identify with the character.
You know, um, I think that's one of the big, like, changes that has happened low-key, especially with, like, the, uh, the, um...
The racist male in America is just like, yeah, I'm racist.
Yeah.
It's happening.
It's happening.
You know what?
You know what?
Fuck it.
You're going to call me racist?
I'm racist now.
You've seen that video of the guy in Arizona, right?
You have to be more specific.
It's a guy in Arizona.
What's funny, it's not funny.
I mean, everyone's racist.
He's an older Asian man.
And he's like telling some of the young dudes, he's like, this right here, this is a no nigger zone.
Right here.
And he's saying it like on camera, just mask off.
And it's like, what?
Oh, he's saying it to like the Black Lives Matter protesters.
Yeah, I've seen that.
Yeah.
No, not even Black Lives Matter protesters.
They're just people on the street who just happen to be there.
I saw a similar video where... Yeah.
guy like works at some business there and he just was they're just on the wrong they're just on the same block and he's just telling them like get out of here like you're being suspicious um and he tells him that he's like they're just saying they're like they're like yeah you know what fuck it i saw a similar video you're gonna make me say it you're gonna make me say it was like uh it was like a blm protest and the guy was like get the fuck out of here like this like you're not going to side with those N words.
I mean, I'm sure there's plenty of them.
That's what sucks.
You said you'd be more specific.
I want to say shout out to Shizzy McShizz who sent on Instagram, who sent me a bunch of, sent us a bunch of Facebook posts from their feed and not from their feed, you know, but from like, you know, their family or whatever who had posted this shit.
And it's a photo of Donald Trump kissing the hand of a black woman.
And it says, if this is what quote, racism looks like, we need more of it.
Yep.
Need more.
Yeah.
That's right.
I'm racist.
I think that's right.
I think.
Oh my God.
Imagine, imagine like there's going to be a rash of middle-aged white men walking up to black women in the middle of the store just to kiss their hand.
And that's it.
Yeah, I mean there was that meme a long, not a long time ago, but like a year or two ago, and it's a woman like, it's a woman who has nothing to do with this ideology.
It's definitely like some model picture that they stole, and it's like a woman, a busty woman in like a Boba Fett t-shirt holding a gun, and then it says, yeah, that's right, I'm racist, uh, react, uh, responding against, like, Like, you know, Democrats, Filthy Dick, whatever it is.
I can't remember the exact acronym, but yeah.
Yeah, that's right, I'm racist.
Complicated acronym that explains how I'm a good person.
But yeah, we're doing Mask Off Racism, and it's really interesting to watch in real time.
Yeah, it's like rallying against crazy, ignorant, socialist tyrants or something like that.
It's like, okay, yeah, let's go with that.
Just keep doing that one.
I mean, you're not wrong.
You're not, you're still not wrong.
Um, so I like, It's interesting to me that Bill the Butcher has become this icon of reactionary, you know, younger people.
Um, because in the movie, like he's racist in general, he's racist against Asian people.
He's racist against black people.
Uh, but he's primarily racist against, The Irish.
The Irish.
Against the Irish people, right?
One of the lines is like, when he's talking to Leonardo DiCaprio, after he's already like welcomed him and like, you know, ingratiated, and Leo has ingratiated himself with him, he's asking Leo about his background and he's like, you know, when, uh, When Mother Nature squatted over the Isle of Britain and defecated out your homeland, what part did you come from?
And Leo's like, I don't even know.
I lost all that.
I don't know where I'm from or whatever.
So he's like brutally racist against the Irish.
He talks about like there's a lot of scenes at Ellis Island where Irish are getting off the boats.
Yeah.
Bill the Butcher is talking about how if he had enough bullets he would just gun them all down.
He wouldn't let them, like, step foot off the boat.
Which is, again, just like language we see all the time when we're, you know, perusing right-wing Facebook.
And then even perhaps more interestingly is the... I don't remember what actual political position.
I don't think it's governor.
I think it's more local.
I think it's like a mayor or something.
It's Tammany who Bill the Butcher is like working with and basically controls.
Tammany is petitioning the Irish for votes.
And like, as soon as they get off the boat, he's handing them like a half a loaf of bread and saying, vote for Tammany, vote for Tammany.
And he's trying to get Bill the Butcher to convince the Irish to vote Tammany also.
And Bill says something like...
You know, my father fought against the redcoats and yadda yadda yadda, and I'll have no hand in giving this country over to those who have no hand in fighting for the making of it.
Or whatever.
Which is a quote I've fucking seen on Facebook a million fucking times.
Like over an American flag background that's like tattered?
Absolutely.
And it's like clawing, like eagle clawing.
And it makes a lot of sense that like people, young people, younger people on Facebook, I mean, and when I say younger people, I mean even the boomers, would identify with this guy because this is a guy who did not fight in any war, except a gang war, which is cool, don't get me wrong, but The Civil War is the time period that's going on.
The draft is happening, but they're not going to fight.
They're not going to fight for the North or the South.
In fact, they hate the Union.
I think the Natives identify with the South in this instance.
And so it's like you're taught he this guy is like a utter hypocrite like this guy who's supposed to be like the bastion of principle and like even if his principles are bad like even if his his his uh ideals are wrong like he still believes in them whole and it's like no he's not going to fight for quote his country he's like sides with the fucking separatists like he like you know he's in it for himself just like everybody else in America
Yeah I guess I guess it is that level of of relating like in this war because I mean that's what's funny about this whole thing it does feel like it is even though he's the president does feel like it is you know red hats versus the world you know so like yeah even though they know it's like It won't be the country, maybe in a couple days.
It might not be the country in a couple days.
I mean, I think it will, but it might not be the country in a couple days.
And they're going to be like, I don't give a fuck.
Like we got to fight for what's right.
Yeah.
Well, it is.
I mean, I can't remember when we talked about this, but we talked about it fairly recently.
Maybe it was on the episode with Jamie about abortion rights, but it is this like contempt that conservatives have for Americans.
While still like valorizing the idea of America.
Yeah.
It's this utter contempt they have for the actual will of the majority of people in America while pretending to be the sole voice of the nation of America.
Right?
They call themselves, like, the silent majority.
Yeah.
They pretend that they are the unheard will of the nation of America while actually calling the majority of the country Communist, Socialist, Radicals, Liberal, Elites, whatever.
Whatever the fucking current phrase they're using to deride the actual will of quote the country, which the country is not a person.
The country is not A thing.
It's just an abstract representation of the actual people in the country, which they despise.
They loathe.
And it's, I mean, when we talk about the electoral college, it's the same exact thing.
Oh no, like, look, I mean, if we only counted the popular vote, Then, uh, then Maine wouldn't have any say, you know?
Or then, like, New Hampshire wouldn't have any say.
And it's like, well, why should you have more say than the people in the most populous states in America, which includes states like Texas?
Like, why should you have more, you know, equal representation in the Senate to fucking Texas?
It's like, that's not what equality means.
That's not what it means.
But no, America means the land.
America means the land mass which we have decided that we represent.
We being conservatives.
And it's also interesting this whole like buying the vote of the new immigrants, the new Irish immigrants, is also interesting because Bill the Butcher or whatever is like in League with Tammany.
He's in league with this guy.
He's got this mayor, this politician under his thumb.
Yes.
Why would he not want to secure re-election for Tammany?
It would make sense for him to encourage even Irish immigrants to vote for this guy.
But he is willing to, like, spite his own interests out of an irrational hatred of the immigrant.
I don't think so.
I think that he knows that that is actually going to make them like Tammany more.
Because the people who are showing up are going to naturally not like this guy who's shitting on them.
And so they're going to... I think he knows that.
I think he knows he's in that position to do that.
But it doesn't matter because Tammany's his man.
Yeah.
He controls Tammany.
They don't know that yet.
They don't know that yet.
No, no, no.
What I'm saying is the immigrant can like Tammany all they want.
It doesn't matter.
Like, Bill controls Tammany.
So the immigrant can vote for Tammany and think he's his best friend and he's got an Irish last name or whatever.
And Bill still just tells Tammany what to do.
Like, it's a good arrangement.
I don't know why he's like...
Shitting on it, basically.
It doesn't make sense.
No, I'm saying it's like a show.
It actually does encourage them to like Tammany.
Oh, maybe.
You know what I'm saying?
He's definitely not thinking that in the text of the film, for sure.
He like genuinely has contempt for Tammany and for the immigrants, you know?
They didn't have 4D chests for quite some time.
And what was the other thing I was going to say about this like Ellis Island...
Oh, the other thing is he's, he's talking about how, you know, his father like helped build this country by fighting the Redcoats or whatever.
And this scene is showing the Irish immigrants arriving to Ellis Island and the men of those immigrant families immediately being shunted off into the draft aisle.
Immediately being sent to war, outfitted with Union uniforms, and given a gun, and put on a different boat.
And it's very obvious what Scorsese is trying to do with this character.
Who like irrationally hates the Irish, despite the fact that these are like starving poor people who come to America and are immediately exploited.
Immediately abused and exploited by the system that Bill the Butcher is extolling.
That Bill the Butcher is like valorizing, you know?
The last thing I kind of want to say about this and I feel like it's the most interesting part of the identification with Bill the Butcher and that's like what Scorsese is kind of known for is like I will say I like him a lot as a director.
I like his movies a lot.
His movies are so good that like a ton of confused dudes like really latch on to his main characters.
That's so true.
Yeah These people who that the whole movie is about how flawed and fucked up and terrible they are and they're still like that's my fucking guy And like, I watched The King of Comedy for the first time two years ago.
And it's a great movie.
And I was like, envisioning being a guy who like, incorrectly identified with a Scorsese anti-hero, but it's the King of Comedy.
yeah so like it's like making memes about um about like yeah uh you yeah oh yeah you work a nine-to-five job you you work in an office me i'm marrying my high school sweetheart on a game show in front of the nation Like, just, I wish that would have hit as hard as like, you know, Goodfellas or Taxi Driver.
I feel like if you wanted to put a little bit of work into it and just make one anonymous 4chan thread about that character, just give it two weeks.
And then we'll just watch it.
Can someone, like, that's gonna happen.
You've, you've, what, you just manifested it right now.
It's gonna be awful.
Well, unfortunately, I kind of like cheated because if you ha, I didn't cheat rather, but somebody else beat me to the punch because if, if, if you haven't seen King of Comedy, The movie Joker is like King of Comedy.
It's like almost exactly the arc, the character arc of King of Comedy.
It's a guy who's like a total fucking loser, who's like an obsessive sort of delusional freak, actually makes it on stage and like kind of kills, both figuratively and literally.
Yeah, and and yeah, it's it's a it's like a hyper literal interpretation of Scorsese's King of Comedy, which I which I respect about it.
I like it.
I have I'm gonna go see what's up the dog quick.
Cool.
Okay.
So yeah again the last the last thing I want to say and I feel like it's the most important thing or it's the most interesting thing about like the modern, you know reactionary Millennial or Xer identifying with Bill the Butcher Is that, once again, Bill the Butcher's main target in Gangs of New York is the Irish.
Yes.
That is who he is most antagonistic against.
That is who, like, the blood feud is against.
It's against Leonardo DiCaprio's father, the whole gang of Irish people who were trying to, like, scrape out a living in this country, and the natives were, like, they crafted their existence in opposition, they identified themselves, they collectivized themselves, they organized themselves in opposition to the Irish immigrant, right?
And so what you have here with conservatives identifying with, modern conservatives identifying with this character is, I mean, another meme that we I mean, another meme that we have made our bones on from this show is what, Tony?
I, Irish were slaves.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
That message.
Irish were slaves too.
That is the crux of Men In Death Cold.
Don't complain about, you know, chattel slavery, generations of family history erased, Jim Crow, whatever.
Irish were slaves.
And you don't see the Irish depending on rap dancing and drug dealing.
Well, I mean, if you watched Gangs of New York, you might.
That's true.
That's true.
Very interesting.
What we see here with the modern reactionary movement who is attempting to discredit the struggle of black Americans, of indigenous Americans, of Asian Americans, by alluding to the fact that the Irish had it hard, which of course they did, while also cozying up to a figure whose main opposition was the Irish,
You see in real time, in much like, a much quicker fashion, you see the Irish becoming white.
Uh huh.
You see the Irish ingratiating themselves with a racist, nationalistic ideology in order to, uh, I don't know, glance the blow off of themselves and onto darker skinned people.
I remember at one point, they're like, hey, at least we're not Italian.
And Bill's like, abso-fucking-lutely.
This is like the history of whiteness in America.
This is the history of racism in America is that it was directed at like almost everybody.
Like it was directed at tons of people until they successfully became white because of a scapegoat.
Because of a different scapegoat.
They were willing to ally themselves with whiteness in order to deflect the blow onto a darker skinned scapegoat who now was not white.
And that is exactly how insidious white supremacy is because we have seen this now evolve into even darker and darker skinned people who have now been here for maybe a generation.
Yeah.
And in order to assimilate, in order to not be part of the backlash of white supremacy, you are going to go ahead and you are going to turn your targets on Fresh immigrants.
Yep.
Darker skinned people.
Absolutely.
And it's really an easy pivot because you're getting a lot of support from who you're denying.
And we've seen it happen to darker and darker skinned folks in America.
Goddamn if it just hasn't reached every level.
No, that's totally true.
And you see it with Latin American immigrants.
Absolutely.
You see it even with African immigrants now.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, that's a whole thing about, as we know, that's a whole thing about lack of class consciousness and class discourse.
Yeah.
Because as we know, you have to have a little bit of money from where you come from in order to get here in the first place.
Absolutely.
You know, and so therefore, you're still not the poorest person you've ever met.
And like, that's a lot of it.
But yeah, it's so insidious and it's so toxic that what ends up happening is these people, now they get to tag along to the slave fetching squad and become Blue Lives Matter people.
Dude, did you see that fucking video where it's like two black women officers doing the TikTok to I'm From The Hood where they kick down doors?
No.
No.
And it's like... I can't do it.
That's you.
That's who's kicking down the doors is you now.
That's not cool.
You should stop doing that.
Um, but anyway, so this, it was just fascinating to me to watch this movie and be like, Oh yeah, he's not just racist.
He's like racist against the Irish specifically.
And it's like, how do you hold these two?
It's, it's like, well, it's not, how do you hold them?
Because that's, we saw it happen throughout history.
We saw the Irish become white.
If you, if you watch history, if you have like even just glanced at history like I have, you saw the Irish become white over like a couple decades or whatever.
But now it's to the point where you can just hold those two thoughts simultaneously in your brain.
And it actually, like, I don't know, invigorates you.
And it strengthens you to think that, hey, the Irish weren't treated as white people, but now I'm good.
And that means that it's not so bad to not be treated like white people.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, skip over the actual struggle, you know?
Yeah, it's a little life hack there.
A little life hack.
That's good.
You got me excited.
Tomorrow, I'm going to have a lot of downtime tomorrow.
I'm going to be with some comrades doing some actual pole protecting.
Fuck yeah.
And hopefully we're going to be sitting around a lot.
And that'd be fun to watch movies and maybe we'll watch Halsu and Gangs of New York.
Absolutely.
I mean, House 2 is a fun watch.
Gangs of New York is a fun watch too.
It's very dialogue heavy, Gangs of New York is.
I don't know how good that's going to be.
House 2 is a very visual movie.
I mean, it's subtitles also, so obviously it's very visual for English-speaking people.
The thing I remember most about Gangs of New York is the visuals, the brutality of it, and the score.
So I feel like that would be something where I could stop talking for the battle scene.
You know?
And we just have it in the background still, you know?
That's cool.
But I also still get stoked.
You want to talk about some election stuff?
Some weird election stuff?
Absolutely.
I mean, it's all happening.
Do you want to talk about the caravans of terrorists that are plaguing New Jersey and shit?
Yes.
Absolutely.
Texas.
Yeah, so, like, Trump trains have been, uh, you know, parking on bridges and stopping traffic and that sort of thing.
And it's like... It's funny that they're doing the same thing that, like, Black Lives Matter protesters have been doing.
Uh, but they're, like, just sitting in cars, you know?
Well... That's, like, one way of looking at it.
But, like, so...
It was the same thing with in L.A.
a few weeks ago, there was that Armenian protest that was sick that shut down all of L.A.
freeways.
All of them.
For a couple hours.
And it was sick, and they were able to do that.
And the thing is, BLM, especially local BLM chapters, unfortunately, we could never do that.
Do you know what would happen if there was like a BLM caravan of raised trucks with BLM flags and like saying we're arm stickers on the back of it?
Like a caravan of like 25 of those going down the street in California?
I think if that happened I would say that's fucking tight.
It would be tight but it would be met with the actual military.
I don't know, man.
I think that's the way to go, personally.
I mean, yeah, it sounds like it's the way to go, but... Like, the thing I wouldn't... The only reason I say it's not the way to go is because, like...
Owning a lifted truck is, it like costs a lot of money.
It's very expensive.
Yeah, that's like the biggest thing here is we don't have, I don't have that, we don't have that.
So like if white suburban moms want to really help us out, because they help us out, they buy shirts and stuff, give us your husband's trucks.
Yeah.
Give me your husband's truck.
Give me your Jeep.
Loan out the truck for a day.
Give me your Jeep, white lady.
Dude, I saw one of those new Jeep pickups.
Yeah, dude, they're so expensive.
I don't know what those are called, but if you own one of those, you're a fascist.
If you own a 2020 Jeep pickup, whatever thing, I'm sorry, you're just a fascist.
You have to sign on the dotted line that you're a fascist.
It's wild.
We don't have homemade armored vehicles from bulletproofit.com.
Did you see that one?
No.
It's an armored vehicle that has stencil on the side of it.
Bulletproofit.com.
And it's like a homemade bulletproof tank.
It's like a tank.
It's not owned by the police.
It's a fascist.
I mean, it kind of sucks that people with money can arm themselves and defend themselves better.
Yes, it sucks, dude.
I can't afford anything right now that I need.
But that's the biggest thing.
That's the biggest hurdle there.
I think if we all had the means, we could do it.
But no, seriously, it would be met with the military.
Which, I mean, would be hard-bodied.
That's the thing is like, I don't, I don't know how, how willing the cops are to actually engage an organized group of people with rifles.
Like the, okay.
So like the not fucking around caucus, right?
Yeah.
Who, who I don't think are actual leftists.
They're like black separatists, which is different thing.
Um, They fuckin' mobilized, dude.
Yeah.
And, like, the military didn't show up.
Like, they had, like, hundreds of people, right?
Like, in fuckin' Stone Mountain.
Like, I think that's kinda the way to go with it, if we can actually organize to that degree.
But unfortunately, that's a very regional mentality.
Where we're from, people don't have arms training.
It's a process, for sure.
I think we should start that.
I think we should begin that process.
And that is happening.
And that is happening.
We got a minute for that.
It's not even the military showing up.
It's the fucking Yahoos who want to cosplay it, and they want to legit... They're like, oh, it's happening.
That's what would happen.
If there were 25 lifted pickup trucks with BLM and pro-Afro-American flags and imagery cruising down the freeway, we would be met with the Trump train.
They would show up themselves.
They'd be like, we got this boys, we got this.
We'll take care of this for you.
They'd be on the radio saying that.
Right, I don't think that's wrong.
I'm also, you know, that's also life.
Yeah, that's kind of how I feel about it.
Like, that's just what's...
Like, it's, you know, they're mobilizing, so, like, we should mobilize.
That's my feeling about it.
I feel like the majority of these Trump-trained people with their lifted trucks and shit, they're privileged, comfortable folks.
Yeah, everyone with a truck is.
Everyone with a truck that came out after 2005?
Like you're cruising?
I think like 99% of those people are not quite willing to die for Trump.
Are not quite willing to go to prison for Trump.
I don't think they like...
Are as down for the second civil war as they think.
They just know like the cops are on their side.
Yeah.
They just know that like the cops will do most of the civil, whatever civil war they're envisioning is just actually going to be like a purge of any sort of like physical resistance to, you know, American capitalism and the, uh, the, uh, the impending crises that arise.
Yeah, absolutely.
But the thing is, you know, just like, you know, because they are, you know, they're yahoos.
Is that a problematic term?
I feel like that's a problematic term, but I think I might be into why it's problematic.
I feel like it might be an anti-white phrase.
Do you mean by problematic, do you mean like it's racist against Native Americans?
No, is that what it is?
No, wahoo.
No, I'm saying yahoos.
I feel like that's an anti-white term and I think I like it.
Yahoo just means like a kooky person.
There we go, that's what I'm saying.
So like these people, I feel like they might not be ready to die, but they might be ready to think that they could kill.
You know what I'm saying?
It's all just interesting.
I think that the American Trump voter is definitely willing to kill.
Don't get me wrong.
I think the American right-winger, the American Trump fanatic, actually lusts for blood.
They actually want to kill.
But they're also extraordinarily lazy.
And they're also extraordinarily cowardly.
Yeah.
killing to happen like literally on their front step they want the victim to come to them and present their neck to them so that they can like quote like legally kill them right fall into the booby trap
and this is why what I said on the patron episode is that I think if there's political violence which there will be just you know there has been political violence all year throughout this Trump administration throughout the Obama administration's Happened all weekend.
It's going to be Running down protests.
It's going to be driving into protesters.
Yeah.
Like that's what the majority of the political violence that happens in whatever aftermath of the election throughout the Biden administration.
Because they have, they've been like, you know, A, they're in their fucking favorite weapon, which is the lifted truck.
Yeah.
They can sit down on their heated seats and, and not even have to stand up to kill a Brown person or a communist or whatever.
I am shocked I haven't seen more Camaros with cow catchers.
I'm not kidding.
That's shocking to me.
But yeah, that's a regular occurrence.
I apologize for forgetting their name, but someone selling fruit recently in the IE was just plowed over by somebody.
They went out of their way to run this person over.
It was a hate crime.
It was like a this let me run this immigrant over.
Yeah and that's a fucking like small business owner.
You know it's it's like it there's no consistency to these set these beliefs whatsoever.
Yeah it's all yeah.
And I mean if I'm going to like I think I can safely say the best small business owner in the abstract is somebody running some sort of food cart.
They probably don't have any employees.
Yeah.
They're probably doing all the fucking work themselves and they're producing delicious products.
Yeah.
Wonderful.
Important.
That's not to tie, like, you know, the ethnicity to the work that they do or anything like that.
But I'm just saying, if we're gonna valorize the small business owner, it should be somebody who actually does something.
Somebody who actually, like, puts, you know, art into their product.
Which, uh, holy shit.
I mean, street vendors are like that.
That is that.
Absolutely.
It's like the most efficient business.
No one's getting harmed in this process.
That's the best feeling.
Yeah, this story about not only people blocking highways with their Trump train or whatever, Um, which is, of course, like, hilarious given the idea that, oh, everybody who blocks the street should be run over.
That's because they're, they are, uh, impeding my right to drive down the road, which is a constitutional right.
Uh, therefore, they deserve death.
They deserve everything they get.
Well, cars belong on the road.
Like, people don't.
As like a long-time cyclist, let me tell you what.
Only cars belong on asphalt, and you're impeding on their life if you're not in a car.
That includes motorcycles, too.
So one of the comments I got from our Facebook groups about It was the caravan in Texas who, like, tried to run Biden off the road.
Or Biden's, like, van off the road or whatever.
Yeah, it was just a bus with Biden and Harris on the side of it.
They weren't even in the bus.
Yeah.
Because if they were, like, Secret Service would have had to get involved, right?
If they were, Secret Service would have been in, like, several SUVs around the car.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
It was just this gnarly gesture.
Um, and it's like no surprise that a bunch of lifted trucks would like try to run anybody off the road.
Like that just makes sense to me.
Yeah.
I had a, I was in my car and I had, I get like, there was a road rage incident with a guy who was towing like a fifth wheel who like merged into my lane while he was passing me to like flex on me.
He was like, cause I was like flipping him off as he passed me because he was a fucking asshole.
And he started merging into his lane when there was, merging into my lane when there was still like eight feet left of his fifth wheel.
And I was, yeah.
And it's like, these are these people, these are these people who are like, like, no power is having a bigger vehicle than you.
That's what power means to me.
That's so true.
My first car was a 1976 Oldsmobile 98.
And that was the heaviest car, the longest car I've ever had.
And I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, people let you over.
I couldn't go over 65, people let me over.
Because it was just, it was tons of steel.
And you just like, you ended up like blacking out at times and running people off the road and like not knowing what you had done.
It was just the power of the vehicle that overtook you.
So this is a comment section from like, you know, Something about stopping Common Core curriculum or something.
I don't remember what group this is.
They're like laughing.
Increase testing!
Increase academic testing!
It's like it's it's something about like reopening Washington State or whatever, you know against because coronavirus is fake All the comments are like, oh, well, that's great.
I love this Get those liberal leftist loonies out of Texas, you know, yada yada yada They should shut down the road like BLM did a while back Biden and Harris certainly had no problem Then let's see how they like it And it's like, yeah, that's a thing you can do.
Like, you know, it's a, it's a thing you can do, except like, you know, uh, according to you and also the police, like that's, that's like a death sentence.
Like you should be murdered if you shut down the road.
Um, but the comment that I liked the most here is from, uh, Michelle Schooler Nikolai, who says, love this Patriots not sitting down anymore.
I love that.
And it's like, well, I mean, they're in their cars, uh, sitting down still while driving.
Yeah, they're still not really, they're still in, this is, this is what I've been talking about with the truck, the luxury of the truck, man.
So like, it's so funny cause trucks aren't what they used to be, right?
They're not bench seats, they're not like rugged, they're like luxurious, plush automobiles.
So some of these people were literally sitting on like heated seats on like an air ride system with like AC and like surround sound and like a reverse camera and they were like merging into somebody and pushing them off, pushing and with the most comfort.
I love this.
Finally patriots are picking up our arms, by which I mean the steering wheel.
I, like, lost weight this summer from, like, marching.
And, like, my feet hurt a lot from, like, marching.
It would have been so much cooler to be in a fucking car with air conditioning.
Holy shit.
I don't have that every day.
I don't have that in my day-to-day life, let alone when I'm protesting.
So that was a good response to that.
Love that.
Another fun response was from Conservative Freaks on Facebook.
One of my favorite Facebook pages.
They're not a big page, but I like their name a lot, Conservative Freaks.
Yeah, it's really nice.
And I like how sweaty all their posts are.
They do a lot of text posts.
Wait, are they like, are they like, are they like, um, like freaky deekies or are they like, um, real weirdos?
I think what they- Are they like, are they like sex pests or like, um, oddballs?
I think they're going with the Jesus Freak.
Oh!
Oddballs.
Meaning for freak.
Well, I would say devotees.
Devotees?
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Fanatic.
Like, I'm just a freak about being conservative.
Doug, we've talked about the Jesus Freaks book.
We've talked about DC Talk.
One, 24/7, you wait for me. - Conservative Freaks, it's a text post.
It says, always knew the media, the media was biased, but they were in full form yesterday.
Period.
Three spaces makes me sick.
Tilda mama bear.
Aww.
Just caring about the cubs.
I like the tilde instead of a hyphen.
This is a statement from Mama Bear, but she's used a tilde instead of a hyphen to denote that she is the one who said this.
That's cool.
Mama Bear's not capitalized, by the way, also.
Have some self-respect.
I would say maybe she's tapping into sort of an emo thing of not capitalizing.
Oh, like Winnie the Pooh Bear vibes.
Is that an emo band?
Winnie the Pooh's the sulky.
He's a sulky dude.
Well no, I think Eeyore's the sulky one.
Winnie the Pooh's not the most stoked, but Eeyore's definitely the sulker.
Yeah, I'm just thinking of like Sayin or like other emo bands that just like, you know, it's all lowercase.
Maybe there's a period after the band name, you know, that sort of thing.
So, and it's also funny that she has like signed off on this before even the content.
So, because there's more to this post.
So it's like, It's like she just copied and pasted somebody else's post and like doesn't, isn't smart enough to take credit for it?
Like isn't running a meme page like isn't smart enough to like be like, this is my post.
She's like, she thinks she's like... She thinks she's doing the quote tweet thing.
Where you, where you, it shows whoever posted the other thing and then you do a little caption at the top.
But it's just a line break and then it says...
94 mile Trump train rolls double space through Indiana triple space.
What do we get from the news?
Almost nothing.
Not a zip.
Two exclamation points.
Nothing from 8 comma 13 or 59 period.
50 seconds parentheses.
I timed it.
50 seconds on channel six.
The first time showing the last few vehicles going through as though there was a small turnout period.
Three spaces.
Of course it was preceded by showing quote Biden ahead in the polls.
Eye rolling emoji.
Wow.
And a voter saying she voted early because she was afraid to vote tomorrow.
Which I think is tomorrow.
Period.
Triple space.
Mind you, they didn't say why dot dot.
Thinky face, thinky face, thinky face.
Line break.
Then 48.
Yes, I timed it again.
48 seconds in a later segment showing a few more.
Line break.
Pathetic!
Two exclamation points, but just pathetic!
Four exclamation points.
Line break.
I'll say it again.
94 miles long!
Four exclamation points.
Do people watch the news like people watch baseball with, like, a stopwatch and, like, a notepad?
You have to.
Like a clicker?
A clicker and a stopwatch?
As a conservative, you have to.
Yeah.
As a conservative, well see now we have like smartphones so you can use the timer on your smartphone but other than that it's still pretty difficult to watch the news as a conservative because you have to time all the segments that are devoted to you.
Yeah, absolutely.
You gotta take the hash marks and take inventory to make sure there's getting equal platforming.
I think it's so funny that they're like, why did they only do two separate minute-long segments on us driving down the road?
This is a travesty.
They should have done a full 20 minute block of us being in our cars.
Yeah.
They should have live streamed the whole thing.
You know, they showed OJ.
They showed all of OJ.
Well, you know the difference between these people and OJ, right?
What is that?
What's going on there?
Affirmative action, my foot.
Well, you know why?
It's because he was a football star.
That's why they cared so much about what he had to say.
You know, I wish these goddamn athletes would just stick to playing football and quit murdering.
Dance monkey.
Quit showing off on the freeway and killing women and all that.
Just shut up and play the sport, you know?
There's for sure a post from early internet that is someone literally saying, affirmative action my foot.
Hashtag my foot.
I don't... I mean... Hashtag foot emoji.
Yeah, we saw OJ in that vehicle for like, you know, 45 minutes or whatever it was.
Driving a Bronco, bro?
Driving a Bronco?
You think this guy's a real cowboy?
You think this guy's an actual cowboy?
I don't... I mean, did you see him?
Did you look at him?
I've never seen him ride... I don't think he can ride a horse.
I don't think he can lasso anything.
I don't think he can even tie a knot.
um this is so i don't know it's just funny like the news fucking talked about you bro they talked about you for two minutes your little your little caravan like be i don't know be grateful when was the last time the news talked about you tony when they weren't trying to get you murdered Oh my god, it's been so long.
Oh my god, dude.
It's a double-edged sword, folks.
Who knows, maybe if the news talked about you for longer, they would say something like, uh, you said, uh, kill all cops.
Go home, go home and kill yourself.
I had to, like, call my grandma and be like, hey, um, so I say a lot of things.
But this is not something I would say out loud.
I'm only behind a paywall.
Only on the Patreon episodes.
I was at a vigil last night and there were 20 people there.
It was very somber.
It was very beautiful and lovely.
And there were two or three drones over us the entire time.
That's cool man.
Just a buzzing the entire time.
We're having an actual moment of silence for Mark Bender and there's just drones above us.
Do you think Obama was personally operating those drones?
I think Obama was attending.
I think that was him attending via Skype.
I think you're lucky that all that happened was they observed your ritual.
Your solemn ritual and he didn't fucking strike.
Luckily a lot of white allies did show up to the vigil so I think they did what they do and they kept us safe.
Because Obama knows the math.
Um, okay.
I think that's, that's it for tonight's episode.
Uh, be safe tomorrow.
Uh, everybody, um, if, if you're, if you're going out to vote, uh, be safe and, um, tell them, tell them RBG sent you.
Um, so just on a, on a real go out real quick.
Um, My daughter is out there watching TV and she has switched what she's watching and has low-key turned up the music.
Um, so if you hear music in the background, just know that that is the sweet, sweet sounds of the Frozen soundtrack.
And, um, she is singing Let It Go.
And, um, if you hear that in the background, just know that as, like, a bummer of this episode might have been at some points, like, don't worry.
Like, on November 4th, little kids are still gonna sing Let It Go.
And like, we're gonna be alive.
That's right.
So listen to Let It Go, listen to your kids sing it real loud and ruin your recording.
But know that it's a good thing.
Yeah.
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